I wouldn't mind having that griffon. The Balrog is probably too big to be practical in KoW, I'll stick to their old one. The other two are just whatever.
lol, the promo video "we need money to make molds".. lol ooookay.. I guess it's an incomplete thought "we need money to make molds.. to have china use"..
I'm pretty sure, the point of every Bones KS is to have the molds made, and the first run pressed in China. Then the molds come Stateside, and Reaper makes additional models as needed
adamsouza wrote: I'm pretty sure, the point of every Bones KS is to have the molds made, and the first run pressed in China. Then the molds come Stateside, and Reaper makes additional models as needed
They never come stateside. I asked in the Reaper forums. They flatly said the only thing the produce in the US is their bases.. hence my mild derision.
If there's a feth off massive Roc in this pass, I could be in for something. I've seen it mentioned a few times in the request thread in the Reaper forum, so fingers crossed.
Zombie Dragon is cool, I may buy it as a display piece. Same for the Flying Turtle Dragon. The Griffon is outstanding, too. Would definitely like one of those for gaming or display.
Baba Yaga's hut... no. Don't like the design of the house. I get a "Disneyworld Haunted House" vibe off of it.
I can't wait to see what kind of terrain elements they do this time, plus in the time since the last KS, i've become a GM and can now actually get use out of bags full of random fantasy models, instead of just building Kings of War armies out of them. ;-)
As expected the core set is doing nothing for me. Waiting on the large monster add on's before deciding if I should get in on this.
Also shipping could be an issue for the EU. Given the typical delays with bones kickstarters I imagine brexit will be done before this ships, so will it really be EU friendly?
adamsouza wrote: Is it wrong that I pledged $100 without looking at the video or what was included ?
That's typically my first move on a Bones KS
Good to know I'm not the only one
After I posted that here I popped back over to KS to see what was included in the pledge. That's a pretty big dragon in the core pledge. I'm excited about all the monsters, and pretty ambivalent about the hero models.
lol the only thing in the core set I'm interested in is the pig with the cart.. (wtf is wrong with me???) EDIT: I tell you what though.. if you need a stereotypical longbearded wizard they have definitely got you covered..
Doesn't seem as many hero figures to start with, but I like what I see- Dragonman duelist, wannabe Archaon chaos warrior, generic guard types, a pretty nice looking rat ogre, a big honking dragon, and that awesome pig cart.
I'll probably get a couple of extra crabs for Deep Wars as well.
The dice guys are a head scratcher though. I'm looking forward to seeing Super Dungeon SD style versions of some of their hero models as shown in the previews though.
The sculpts all seem pretty poor and basically like the fourth repeat of the same tired trope to me. How many hill giants and ogres and poorly sculpted townsfolk do people need?
Maniac_nmt wrote: Before backing, check the delivery date which is February of 2019. That is 1.5 years out
Yeah, I noticed that!
Wow - seems a long ways away...
Unless there's a really amazing terrain piece or model here at a really amazing price, I think I'll be sitting this one out completely this time around.
Maniac_nmt wrote: Before backing, check the delivery date which is February of 2019. That is 1.5 years out
Yeah, I noticed that!
Wow - seems a long ways away...
Unless there's a really amazing terrain piece or model here at a really amazing price, I think I'll be sitting this one out completely this time around.
Ha, I completely missed that, I just presumed it was next Feb!! Unless there is anything I desperately need I'll give it a pass!!
Gallahad wrote: The sculpts all seem pretty poor and basically like the fourth repeat of the same tired trope to me. How many hill giants and ogres and poorly sculpted townsfolk do people need?
I hate to say it but tired tropes is Reaper's business model..
Gallahad wrote: The sculpts all seem pretty poor and basically like the fourth repeat of the same tired trope to me. How many hill giants and ogres and poorly sculpted townsfolk do people need?
I hate to say it but tired tropes is Reaper's business model..
You sell what sells. Their market is mainly RPG players will line up to buy yet another dorf with axe/hammer, elf with bow, beardy wizard and generic human fighter. To Reaper's credit, they also have some totally rando stuff, like a gnome fighter riding a giant bee.
I do wish they'd settle on a standard look for some of their races. There's like 5 different goblin styles, 2 in this KS alone.
Gallahad wrote: The sculpts all seem pretty poor and basically like the fourth repeat of the same tired trope to me. How many hill giants and ogres and poorly sculpted townsfolk do people need?
I hate to say it but tired tropes is Reaper's business model..
You sell what sells. Their market is mainly RPG players will line up to buy yet another dorf with axe/hammer, elf with bow, beardy wizard and generic human fighter. To Reaper's credit, they also have some totally rando stuff, like a gnome fighter riding a giant bee.
I do wish they'd settle on a standard look for some of their races. There's like 5 different goblin styles, 2 in this KS alone.
I agree on the races.. especially their goblins and orcs. Though I guess they've never felt the need.. and since it's geared towards RPG, a uniform look really isn't a necessity. I tend to grab up the "bat nose" style goblins when I see them though.
As small as the starting core is (yes I know there's a dragon), they must really be planning on padding it out a lot for those stretch goals. That might be a good sign though.
It's looking much more monster focused this time around, which seems like exactly what people wanted. More focus on addons, but that makes sense with a 32 day campaign, rather than Bones 3's quick run.
I hope they have a few more "units" available, but its a personal wish. I tend to build a new KoW army every-time Bones does a KS, and if I were to do so now, its looking like it would be Goblins.
Part of me hopes those sets of man-sized Minotaurs are cheap as I would be sorely tempted to do Beastmen.
Gallahad wrote: The sculpts all seem pretty poor and basically like the fourth repeat of the same tired trope to me. How many hill giants and ogres and poorly sculpted townsfolk do people need?
I hate to say it but tired tropes is Reaper's business model..
You sell what sells. Their market is mainly RPG players will line up to buy yet another dorf with axe/hammer, elf with bow, beardy wizard and generic human fighter. To Reaper's credit, they also have some totally rando stuff, like a gnome fighter riding a giant bee.
I do wish they'd settle on a standard look for some of their races. There's like 5 different goblin styles, 2 in this KS alone.
They give a lot more freedom to their sculptors than many companies do - or at least recently.
Don't look at modern GW or Wyrd - look at classic Ral Partha.
I will be honest - I am more likely to buy Reaper than almost any other company's miniatures - simply because they are more likely to have something that fits my mood or needs of the moment.
And that fire giant.... Yeah, I can find a use for that guy....
The Auld Grump - hunting children through a woods comes to mind....
MLaw wrote: lol the only thing in the core set I'm interested in is the pig with the cart.. (wtf is wrong with me???)
That pig just shoved me off the fence and into the core set!
Not as crazy as the Mad Dwarf Puppeteer (and the Dwarf on Pony with Three Pugs) or the Obviously Female Wererat Oh God Why Did You Have To Show Them Wererat Naughty Bits figures from previous Bones (which I bought so there)!
The humongous dragon in the core set is a smart idea. I think Reaper had even too many dragons for its hardcore fans, so might not sell as well as a $15+ add-on. Meanwhile, noobs OMG DRAGON.
BTW, I'm following two other KS, so if anyone wants to post campaign pics, go ahead.
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Bossk_Hogg wrote: You sell what sells. Their market is mainly RPG players will line up to buy yet another dorf with axe/hammer, elf with bow, beardy wizard and generic human fighter. To Reaper's credit, they also have some totally rando stuff, like a gnome fighter riding a giant bee.
I do wish they'd settle on a standard look for some of their races. There's like 5 different goblin styles, 2 in this KS alone.
I think the advantage of generic fantasy is that you can plop one game system's generic fantasy miniature into another. I mean, FFG's Terrinoth has zero difference with D&D. Meanwhile, science fiction worlds are more unique. I can't, say, drop in a bunch of Greys into an Aliens universe.
At the same time, with the all the different sculpts of the same guys, a player can pick a miniature that looks "just like my character". Heck, I'm in that Hand of Glory RPG generic fantasy miniatures KS where I can have a miniature that also has the same equipment.
As for goblins, I blame the Pathfinder balloon heads. I figure with different goblin styles, you can have two goblin races ready made to kill each other. Speaking of which, don't insult the baker's wife about her cookies or she'll bean you with the rolling pin, then burn your everything down.
EDIT: "@Rosemary Ann - our previous two projects had an 18 and 20 month fulfillment time, respectively. We believe 18 months to be a realistic and informed estimate. As always, there are many variables that go into manufacturing on a scale of these projects. Should we fail to break $1,000,000, we would probably be able to fulfill much sooner should be raise over $3,000,000 (as we have done twice before) we could even have underestimated!"
EDIT: "@William Blackwood - we have some other offerings that we believe qualify as cute. This project has some more unusual models than previous ones, with some very fun devils, demons, dragons, and undead, and a few off the wall offerings. With the foundation of the bones line strong and stable, we have the flexibility to experiment with new ideas, and try new things, like the absolutely massive Narglauth, and more."
EDIT: "@Keith - we learned through these projects that after delivery, sometimes there are problems. It is so much easier for backers to reference a model by # than by "third model form the right, under the dragon's foot" so we pre-populate the images with numbers. it also makes it easier to a sk about specific models."
The pig is good, and there are few miniatures I want in the core set, but as usual, not $100 worth. Chronopia is the same way. Looking foward to cheap figs, but probably not going to jump in unless they unveil something like the BFG. Still, bless the hearts of those who do, we can get cheap bones of the things we want in a year or two.
Yep! Some on the Reaper forums said they're skipping the core and will pick and choose from the add-ons. Reaper said they'll have sets from the core set, prices TBA,
I'm waiting for mouslings and Baba Yaga's House, myself. Not sure what I'd do with the minitaurs, although the leader could be used as a pygmy chieftain. #12 looks good for a Zombicide Ratbomination.
Some good Rogue Stars fodder in that there expansion.
Maybe we'll luck out and they'll announce a Starfinder partnership at Gen Con? This campaign is running long enough, it's possible...?
That dinosaur spaceman practically sells the set himself. I am definitely getting it. And no, you can't have my cosmosaurus.
The core set looks promising, especially since the dross will make for low risk painting practice with the boy. I'm surprised how ...rough and "old school" some of the sculpts look.
They'll become some great Chosen of Hashut, or other Chaos/Abyssal Dwarfy stuff. I've been wanting something like them for awhile.
I actually love that there's plenty of random monsters in these KS. And they've leaked into my armies for lots of other games. Not just WFB, or KoW, but Bloodbowl, Deep Wars, Warmahordes. Its just great to have them for RPGs as well.
AFAIK, No split shipping. Reaper said that they don't make the paints until shipping: "@Bill Meekins - all rewards will ship together. We will not even MAKE the paint for this project unit a few weeks before shipping, since freshness can be an issue with paint."
How do you decide what paints to buy and what paints to use on a mini? I'll just buy cheap from a good brand, and, I'll sometimes put one of each drop of a color on the wet palette because I'm not sure what shade or saturation I really want. That's a fancy way of saying "I have no idea", though.
Good to see how the minitaurs will be used -- didn't think of beastmen and chaos dwarves. Which I should have, since I have some old ones from about 20=30 years ago -- and Massive Darkness will have evil dwarves that could be used in other games.
Their shipping estimates are insanely....off the mark compared to what they actually charged for bones 3. 30-40 usd for a 'normal' pledge when what I got charged with was 90 usd. And that's for 3 expansions and a tiamat. I'm wondering what normal is. Just the base pledge?
Tamereth wrote: As expected the core set is doing nothing for me. Waiting on the large monster add on's before deciding if I should get in on this.
Same here. I didn't jump into B3 until the end because I mainly wanted the big not-Tiamat dragon. After picking that, I added a few more big things, but I might not have bothered without that big dragon.
So far, I like the Dire animals, the two hill giants and the fire giant. Maybe the undead dragon, that's really nice looking.
Definitely in it at $1 for the Wraiths, at this point and any other add-ons that suit my fancy.
Unfortunately, I really am not a big fan of the rubbery plastic they use and the smushy detail that they get in some of their smaller figures. However, their larger models do have great details. I am looking forward to see what else is unlocked, as there is a long way to go in this KS.
Chucked in $25 for the Wraiths (for LOTR) and Narglauth (for a Bloodthirster). Don't see much else. Hopefully vic miniatures will chuck another vehicle in, but she'd probably have advertised it by now if she had.
To Save OneBoot some trouble, I've collected some of my most frequently used answers in document, to make responding faster in the future. I am sharing them here - many have been seen before, and I will also be publishing an update at some point with these Q&A's in them, for backer reference.
Can we *finally* get Sir Forscale in this project?
the scale knight is 77008 - Garrick the bold, available from our web store since 2012, before the first kickstarter ever launched. He will not be offered in this kickstarter.
Core Set Break Up
we typically do not break the Core Set into sub-components until much later in the project, when it is much larger. When we do that, any backer will be able to select those components.
February 2019? Is that a typo?
our previous two projects had an 18 and 20 month fulfillment time, respectively. We believe 18 months to be a realistic and informed estimate. As always, there are many variables that go into manufacturing on a scale of these projects. Should we fail to break $1,000,000, we would probably be able to fulfill much sooner; should be raise over $3,000,000 (as we have done twice before) we could even have underestimated!
Is there a key to the numbers on the Core Set?
we learned through these projects that after delivery, sometimes there are problems. It is so much easier for backers to reference a model by # than by "third model from the right, under the dragon's foot" so we pre-populate the images with numbers. it also makes it easier to a sk about specific models. Most new sculpts will not even have names assigned until 3-4 months before fulfilment.
Do you really accept suggestions for new models?
Yes, we listen to suggestions. about 80% of the project is set in stone. Another 15% or so is grabbed from a list of possible ideas - more ideas than can make it in, so if the crowd advocates for one of those many ideas more than for others, that one is chosen. Another handful are left relatively open, and we see if our sculptors are inspired by these ideas. In Bones 3 this led to the Froghemoth, plant monsters, and Hobgoblins, which were popular requests. With that in mind, we recommend advocating for models you’d like to see, and seeing which ones gain traction within the community, rather than statements like “don’t make ______”, because we won’t be removing anything from the existing plan, but we have space to add new things.
This project is funding very differently/failing/dumb
none of the previous 3 projects had even remotely identical funding "curves" when placed on a graph with each other. Direct comparison is nigh impossible. For instance, Bones 1, which funded the highest, only reached $30,000 at the end of the first 24 hours. Bones 2, on the other hand, reached a million in 24 hours, and bones 3 hit $700,000 in 24 hours.
Are there not multiple EU or AU waves?
EU backers will ship to our facility in the UK or AU, and they will be processed as one wave. It is expected that they will ship TO the UK and AU before US shipping begins, although they will probably arrive after US shipping has concluded.
Add all the paints/certain paint sets, please
we have to limit how many paints are offered because our production capacity maxes out at 21 gallons per day. Across thousands of backers, that's MONTHS of paint production just for 12 colors, it might take years just to produce if we expanded the offering to 54 colors - and that with no paint being made for other sales and products. all rewards will ship together. We will not even MAKE the paint for this project unit a few weeks before shipping, since freshness can be an issue with paint. Working backwards from the expected fulfilment date, we calculate how long it will take, using 50% of our total production capacity to make everything required, plus a little for margin of error, and start making it then.
In a nutshell - no we cannot and will not ship the paint early, because it will not exist.
When is shipping paid?
when you lock in your pledge. It is based off of current shipping rates, and may be updated in the 10 month window the PM is open, so it may be cheapest to lock in as soon as we offer that option
Will there be Stretch Goals in the Pledge Manager?
In bones 3 we experimented with adding on new Stretch Goals in the Pledge Manager, outside of the Kickstarter project. It is possible we may do something similar here, but I cannot promise it at this time.
Is there anything that’s limited quantity or kickstarter exclusive?
nothing is limited quantity. We will make as many as are ordered via the Pledge Manager, plus some for later retail release (after fulfillment). Also no items are kickstarter exclusives, and everything is, or will be available for purchase. The project does offer first dibs, and at a significant discount relative to final retail pricing.
When will the Pledge Manager close?
The Pledge Manager will be open for backers to lock in and add to their pledges until July 31, 2018.
we also have a Facebook page dedicated to this project. Liking that page, and sharing the pictures we post, will draw attention to the project for other people on your friends list in the miniatures/gaming world. https://www.facebook.com/MrBonesTotallyEpicAdventure
Hmmm - Chronoscope is looking better. Still not sure there is $50 worth of stuff I want in that when I add it up though.... ...does some math.... nope, not even close. I'll wait for retail. Still CHEAP PAINT!
I think part of the problem is that it's harder to design generic 3rd party sf figures than fantasy ones. While every generic fantasy world probably has an elf, dwarf, and titty demon, not every one will have an uplifted dinosaur, an elf in space, Mars Attacks brain guy, or half naked chick in a floating chair (unless it's Classic Star Trek). Reaper also gives its artists and sculptors leeway, so, over a period of several years (some Bones are based on existing metals), you get a variety of uniforms which aren't, well, uniform.
Here's the core set to scale. #16 is a tiefling that I've been waiting for since D&D 4e and, with #72, we get to see how big they -- er, she is.
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@Jean - Yes, we listen to suggestions. about 80% of the project is set in stone. Another 15% or so is grabbed from a list of possible ideas - more ideas than can make it in, so if the crowd advocates for one of those many ideas more than for others, that one is chosen. Another handful are left relatively open, and we see if our sculptors are inspired by these ideas. In Bones 3 this led to the Froghemoth, plant monsters, and Hobgoblins, which were popular requests. With that in mind, we recommend advocating for models you’d like to see, and seeing which ones gain traction within the community, rather than statements like “don’t make ______”, because we won’t be removing anything from the existing plan, but we have space to add new things.
So Reaper adds some items based on backer input, which means not all the sculpts are done when the project starts. I know in the past, they had to replace one sculpt because they couldn't wait on a scultpor. So I guess that's part of the reason for the 1.5+ year wait. And, of course, Bones I and Bones II miniatures have been delivered or are available through retail, so you could always paint them while you're waiting. That's what I'd be doing if it wasn't for all these *other* miniatures I have to paint...!
As for WizKids, if they ever run a KS, I'm in trouble!
ced1106 wrote: I think part of the problem is that it's harder to design generic 3rd party sf figures than fantasy ones. While every generic fantasy world probably has an elf, dwarf, and titty demon, not every one will have an uplifted dinosaur, an elf in space, Mars Attacks brain guy, or half naked chick in a floating chair (unless it's Classic Star Trek). Reaper also gives its artists and sculptors leeway, so, over a period of several years (some Bones are based on existing metals), you get a variety of uniforms which aren't, well, uniform.
Here's the core set to scale. #16 is a tiefling that I've been waiting for since D&D 4e and, with #72, we get to see how big they -- er, she is.
Spoiler:
@Jean - Yes, we listen to suggestions. about 80% of the project is set in stone. Another 15% or so is grabbed from a list of possible ideas - more ideas than can make it in, so if the crowd advocates for one of those many ideas more than for others, that one is chosen. Another handful are left relatively open, and we see if our sculptors are inspired by these ideas. In Bones 3 this led to the Froghemoth, plant monsters, and Hobgoblins, which were popular requests. With that in mind, we recommend advocating for models you’d like to see, and seeing which ones gain traction within the community, rather than statements like “don’t make ______”, because we won’t be removing anything from the existing plan, but we have space to add new things.
So Reaper adds some items based on backer input, which means not all the sculpts are done when the project starts. I know in the past, they had to replace one sculpt because they couldn't wait on a scultpor. So I guess that's part of the reason for the 1.5+ year wait. And, of course, Bones I and Bones II miniatures have been delivered or are available through retail, so you could always paint them while you're waiting. That's what I'd be doing if it wasn't for all these *other* miniatures I have to paint...!
I call bull on this.. Why?
Because look at the core set for the first 3 bones. Most were heroes.. and most of those were human or humanoid. Sci-Fi is just as easy to predict and they have even done exactly this.. Humans and humanoids in near future with near-future weapons.. AND.. deep future power armor ray guns etc.. Look at their bad guys.. many are undead and humans and humanoids.. Guess what works in sci-fi too??? Ding ding..
The next low hanging fruit.. mutants. Mutants are variations of humanoids.. and are extremely useful.
Next up.. demons.. hey.. guess what's all over the place in sci-fi too!
Brutes like Orcs would be an easy finisher.
Off of these things they could take a huge chunk of the existing characters, change only the garb and equipment and boom.. it's sci-fi. I'm not saying just sculpt over the existing models, I'm just saying that re-concepting them off of the ones already in place would be a piece of cake.
Another reason I call bull is because if it didn't work.. then Mantic wouldn't really exist (maybe for fantasy... but possibly not), as would many other companies that are fringe.
Past that, Reaper has been making not-D&D figures for a long time. They have absolutely no approval to do that. So if they started making Space Ogres with Ripping Guns, WW2 Halfling Snipers, Space Elf Blade Warriors, etc etc.. that isn't any different from them doing knockoffs of Beholders, Owl Bears, Displacer Beasts, Rust Monsters, Hook Horrors, etc..
Bottom line is, Reaper could court the sci-fi market they just have no desire to do so. They have said exactly that in the past. Exactly what their motivation is for the sci-fi in this KS and what it entails.. I dunno. Do I hope they're changing their mind and are going to start making not-Shadowrun, not-Star Wars, Battletech style pilots and mecha, not-40k, and possibly Starfinder licensed stuff? Well.. all of that would be amazingly cool but we won't know until we've seen how all of this unfolds.
Just came back to this thread, after being away for a few days. So this might be old news but I need to get this off my chest.
I'm so disappointed by the Kobolds. It's just more mini's of the old school dog face kobolds. Witch it seems every Miniatures manufacture who does Kobolds do.
It drives me crazy how no minatures manufacture makes the Tiny Lizard men style kobolds that you see in modern D&D/pathfinder and in pop-culture. Like, if you search Kobold in Google almost all the results are the Tiny Lizardmen Kobolds. I was hopeing the Kobold Goal was going to give us new-school kobolds.
That as the only goal that I was excited to see, and now I've been disappointed. :<
Sining wrote: Their shipping estimates are insanely....off the mark compared to what they actually charged for bones 3. 30-40 usd for a 'normal' pledge when what I got charged with was 90 usd. And that's for 3 expansions and a tiamat. I'm wondering what normal is. Just the base pledge?
For Bones 3 they charged you (and I) the cost of shipping our parcels individually via airmail from the US, not hub shipping from Aetherworks.
Sining wrote: Their shipping estimates are insanely....off the mark compared to what they actually charged for bones 3. 30-40 usd for a 'normal' pledge when what I got charged with was 90 usd. And that's for 3 expansions and a tiamat. I'm wondering what normal is. Just the base pledge?
For Bones 3 they charged you (and I) the cost of shipping our parcels individually via airmail from the US, not hub shipping from Aetherworks.
I'd test that theory out but I'm too scared of being hit by another 90usd shipping bill
Lockark wrote: Just came back to this thread, after being away for a few days. So this might be old news but I need to get this off my chest.
I'm so disappointed by the Kobolds. It's just more mini's of the old school dog face kobolds. Witch it seems every Miniatures manufacture who does Kobolds do.
It drives me crazy how no minatures manufacture makes the Tiny Lizard men style kobolds that you see in modern D&D/pathfinder and in pop-culture. Like, if you search Kobold in Google almost all the results are the Tiny Lizardmen Kobolds. I was hopeing the Kobold Goal was going to give us new-school kobolds.
That as the only goal that I was excited to see, and now I've been disappointed. :<
Wizkids has in the Nolzur's line. There's only 3 sculpts currently, but they are pretty good ones.
Bones 2 & 3 I was in for an assortment of terrain bits, LE figures, and weapons, respectively mixed.
Nothing so far beyond a $1 placeholder, I'm sure there'll be more to entice a few bucks out of me, but so far it's all about the core (as is often the case, admittedly). Hopefully the next week or two starts sparking some interest.
Lockark wrote: Just came back to this thread, after being away for a few days. So this might be old news but I need to get this off my chest.
I'm so disappointed by the Kobolds. It's just more mini's of the old school dog face kobolds. Witch it seems every Miniatures manufacture who does Kobolds do.
It drives me crazy how no minatures manufacture makes the Tiny Lizard men style kobolds that you see in modern D&D/pathfinder and in pop-culture. Like, if you search Kobold in Google almost all the results are the Tiny Lizardmen Kobolds. I was hopeing the Kobold Goal was going to give us new-school kobolds.
That as the only goal that I was excited to see, and now I've been disappointed. :<
Are the Wrath of Ashardalon and Castle Ravenloft Kobolds (D&D boardgame) not the type of thing you're looking for? To me they look like the little lizard ones.. I bought all the D&D boardgames (haven't gotten the Giant one yet) because the minis tend to be Monster Manual accurate for whatever edition is out when it's produced.. The quality has fallen off a bit lately but if you're considering Bones I'm thinking that's not a major concern..
I just wish they would do more terrain and giant sized things which is where bones really shines, rather than have the split be 70% human sized things that turn out with reliably droopy weapons and soft details.
I have boiled and boiled, and the spears and swords still manage to head south...
On the other hand, the terrain has been great value and seems very rugged. Same with the ogres I got from KS3.
Lockark wrote: Just came back to this thread, after being away for a few days. So this might be old news but I need to get this off my chest.
I'm so disappointed by the Kobolds. It's just more mini's of the old school dog face kobolds. Witch it seems every Miniatures manufacture who does Kobolds do.
It drives me crazy how no minatures manufacture makes the Tiny Lizard men style kobolds that you see in modern D&D/pathfinder and in pop-culture. Like, if you search Kobold in Google almost all the results are the Tiny Lizardmen Kobolds. I was hopeing the Kobold Goal was going to give us new-school kobolds.
That as the only goal that I was excited to see, and now I've been disappointed. :<
It's funny you say that because I think I've seen far more lizard-like Kobolds then dog-faced ones! These ones are kind of strange - they look like they went for a cross between old and new style - they have tails and long snouts and horns. They look kind of pudgy though.
All of the old D&D miniatures and Pathfinder miniature kobolds have a very distinct lizard/dragon look to them. Go to Miniature Market and just search Kobold and you'll see lots of examples. I can see how Repear might look at the market and see how Wizkids is doing prepainted and unpainted kobolods in the new style and want to make these more retro styled kobolds as a counter-offering.
Lockark wrote: Just came back to this thread, after being away for a few days. So this might be old news but I need to get this off my chest.
I'm so disappointed by the Kobolds. It's just more mini's of the old school dog face kobolds. Witch it seems every Miniatures manufacture who does Kobolds do.
It drives me crazy how no minatures manufacture makes the Tiny Lizard men style kobolds that you see in modern D&D/pathfinder and in pop-culture. Like, if you search Kobold in Google almost all the results are the Tiny Lizardmen Kobolds. I was hopeing the Kobold Goal was going to give us new-school kobolds.
That as the only goal that I was excited to see, and now I've been disappointed. :<
It's funny you say that because I think I've seen far more lizard-like Kobolds then dog-faced ones! These ones are kind of strange - they look like they went for a cross between old and new style - they have tails and long snouts and horns. They look kind of pudgy though.
All of the old D&D miniatures and Pathfinder miniature kobolds have a very distinct lizard/dragon look to them. Go to Miniature Market and just search Kobold and you'll see lots of examples. I can see how Repear might look at the market and see how Wizkids is doing prepainted and unpainted kobolods in the new style and want to make these more retro styled kobolds as a counter-offering.
Reaper has a tendency towards old style for many things. If I were to guess, it would be due to a lower chance of having the design challenged as IP-infringement.. but who knows..
Do I hope they're changing their mind and are going to start making not-Shadowrun, not-Star Wars, Battletech style pilots and mecha, not-40k, and possibly Starfinder licensed stuff? Well.. all of that would be amazingly cool but we won't know until we've seen how all of this unfolds.
Not Battletech? You have seen CAV right? Considering this although I want to see the Mierce Board Game first.
Do I hope they're changing their mind and are going to start making not-Shadowrun, not-Star Wars, Battletech style pilots and mecha, not-40k, and possibly Starfinder licensed stuff? Well.. all of that would be amazingly cool but we won't know until we've seen how all of this unfolds.
Not Battletech? You have seen CAV right? Considering this although I want to see the Mierce Board Game first.
CAV is 6 or 10mm or whatever.. I'm talking about 28mm.. and specifically I said Battletech style pilots.. as in people wearing futuristic flight suit looking stuff that are clearly meant to be sci-fi crew.. ..and CAV got scaled back on the store drastically..
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Reaper have distanced themselves from CAV for some reason. Now it isTalon Games' problem. Is Talon Games a subsidiary of Reaper?
At the retail level, Reaper manufacturers miniatures for other companies, but doesn't really publicize it. For KS, they've also helped out other companies (eg. Secret Weapon Miniatures) with their projects -- but how much ownership or responsibility they have, I'm having a hard time telling. I think it's a drawback of KS that you can't tell who really owns the project when there are partners (hi, RRT!).
Here's how big the KS page isn't telling you how big the $15 Narglauth figure is.
"You are seeing a Master Copy, not a production copy, produced in a dark resin. This is the proof of concept copy, a sister copy from the same resin cast, but unassembled, will be sent to China to have molds made."
Where it will come to life. And begin its terrible, terrible, work. Everything going to plan.
So I guess I'm getting a Fire Demon then, aren't I?
Looks nice. That original 4 armed guy looks pretty puny in comparison. The 2nd one wasn't bad, but it's pose was pretty static and seemed to have his arms scrunched in.
Can't wait for all sorts of wackiness to ensue with that guy's whip and the bendiness it'll have going on!
Wow.. I never knew I needed a sabertooth pug till I saw it, now I need it. Can't back the campaign, are these minis sold separately after they deliver? Or in packs of other stuff I won't want?
Necros wrote: Wow.. I never knew I needed a sabertooth pug till I saw it, now I need it. Can't back the campaign, are these minis sold separately after they deliver? Or in packs of other stuff I won't want?
It depends. Familiars are usually grouped together, but some animals are large enough to sell on their own. Either way, you're probably looking at min $3 to max $7 for that pug.
Looks nice. That original 4 armed guy looks pretty puny in comparison. The 2nd one wasn't bad, but it's pose was pretty static and seemed to have his arms scrunched in.
Can't wait for all sorts of wackiness to ensue with that guy's whip and the bendiness it'll have going on!
I've heard that whips hurt a lot more when they bend around one's body instead of just impacting like a switch...
I prefer the previous dragon turtle. It looked more like a dragon with some turtle DNA, whereas this one was clearly a turtle bitten by a radiomantic dragon. The griffon is all aces.
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Lockark wrote: Just came back to this thread, after being away for a few days. So this might be old news but I need to get this off my chest.
I'm so disappointed by the Kobolds. It's just more mini's of the old school dog face kobolds. Witch it seems every Miniatures manufacture who does Kobolds do.
It drives me crazy how no minatures manufacture makes the Tiny Lizard men style kobolds that you see in modern D&D/pathfinder and in pop-culture. Like, if you search Kobold in Google almost all the results are the Tiny Lizardmen Kobolds. I was hopeing the Kobold Goal was going to give us new-school kobolds.
That as the only goal that I was excited to see, and now I've been disappointed. :<
It's funny you say that because I think I've seen far more lizard-like Kobolds then dog-faced ones! These ones are kind of strange - they look like they went for a cross between old and new style - they have tails and long snouts and horns. They look kind of pudgy though.
All of the old D&D miniatures and Pathfinder miniature kobolds have a very distinct lizard/dragon look to them. Go to Miniature Market and just search Kobold and you'll see lots of examples. I can see how Repear might look at the market and see how Wizkids is doing prepainted and unpainted kobolods in the new style and want to make these more retro styled kobolds as a counter-offering.
A lot of the lines people are sujesting are other blind box mini, part of box games, ECT. They also have low sculpt counts. Sometimes the sculpt style look super different between sculpts in the same lines let alone across lines.
It's hard to build a nice looking frost grave war band with the prepaint lines.
Waiting for terrain as well. Reaper has plenty of add-ons, so if they don't get your money with one, they'll take it with another. More backers seem to be passing on the core, but anyone pledging for the core only and no add-ons?
Wyvern unlocked!
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Reaper Ron posted this teaser preview with terrain, tentacle thing?, dragon, small terrain in the back?...
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I prefer the previous dragon turtle. It looked more like a dragon with some turtle DNA, whereas this one was clearly a turtle bitten by a radiomantic dragon. The griffon is all aces.
The previous one was a Dragon (terrestrial) Tortoise, this one is a Dragon (sea) Turtle
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I prefer the previous dragon turtle. It looked more like a dragon with some turtle DNA, whereas this one was clearly a turtle bitten by a radiomantic dragon. The griffon is all aces.
The previous one was a Dragon (terrestrial) Tortoise, this one is a Dragon (sea) Turtle
ced1106 wrote: Hmm... if you look at the scale (and pricetag!) the Dragon Tortoise is smaller than the Dragon Turtle. The pose is definitely different...
Funnily enough, sea turtles are quite a bit larger than terrestrial tortoises - 50% again the weight and length, comparing the Loggerhead this mini is based on to the Giant Tortoises of the Galapagos and Seychelles, and the even larger Leatherback is twice the size
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@Stephen: The added detail which (at my mediocre painting skill level) can make or break how the mini looks. Also, while I can deal with bent/floppy/misshapen weapons and appendages on a random goblin, it just doesn't do for a main PC.
I will say that Bones 3 had the best bonesium yet and the figures are night and day more crisp in detail than Bones 1.
Hmmm - now they are starting to get my attention. That dragon turtle would look great with a castle on it's back - (or at least a howedah - that is something I've always wanted). Nagas are nice, and the spartans could be useful. They seem to be nude, but everyone knows that Ok for statues, especially Greek and Italian ones.
Nostromodamus wrote: Figures have been noticibly better each time, though they are still soft.
I don't particularly care, but ymmv.
I just don't like the material for human sized figures, the minor reduction is cost isn't worth the soft, droopy castings. I'd rather stick with Reaper's metal miniatures for them. When Bones shines, IMO, is for giants and big monsters.
People giving them a hard time about the soft materials and then Reaper adds statues that are ready to rock out with their out.. The jokes write themselves at this point..
EDIT: The Nagas might get me in though to be honest..
When Bones shines, IMO, is for giants and big monsters.
Yep. Terrain, btw, is coming, not revealed when: "We do have terrain coming up, but it not going to be revealed when we reach 1,080,000."
Reaper has said the Bones has helped them manufacturer larger miniatures, because, in metal, they would cost more than the market would pay, such as $30 for hill giant (or something like that).
Bones III had about $250 in large figures, so come back in a few weeks and bring your wallet! I've only picked up the paint add-on, myself. They save the biggest "miniatures" for last, anyway.
EDIT: Possible third unlock for the Chronoscope set, not revealed when.
ced1106 wrote: [quoteBones III had about $250 in large figures, so come back in a few weeks and bring your wallet! I've only picked up the paint add-on, myself. They save the biggest "miniatures" for last, anyway..
Yeah, I pledged late for the BIII kickstarter, just to get the big multi-headed dragon. Fantastic miniatures, but I shudder to think what it would cost in metal or even resin.
Uhm... what's that giant translucent snake in the background?
I believe that was scenery for the now cancelled Conan pre-painted miniature game. Reaper made a load of scenery for that game and I am not sure who owns the rights to it. Someone mentioned that the snake temple was double the size it would have actually been produced in.
I really like some of the add-ons like the wraiths and fire demon. The core is also pretty good this time around with a fair bit of focus being on enemies. Still, that tree is my favorite thing so far. Really excited about it.
It is a bit of an underwhelming expansion, but boy do I want those space dinos! I wish they'd have been a regular option instead of in the expansion, but they gotta sell it somehow....
Those look like photos of existing metal miniatures for some of the dreadmere expansion, I tried using reaper's mini search tool without success, does anybody happen to know what the metal equivalents for Reisman, Worden, and Wladislaw are? I really like those.
Dreadmere Part 1 just makes me want tot buy the top row of 4 figures in metal so I can get them in hand in a few weeks, in good quality metal rather than the crappy soft bendy PVC.
Have they said anything about whether the Living Statues sets will be in soft or hard PVC?
Azazelx wrote: Dreadmere Part 1 just makes me want tot buy the top row of 4 figures in metal so I can get them in hand in a few weeks, in good quality metal rather than the crappy soft bendy PVC.
Have they said anything about whether the Living Statues sets will be in soft or hard PVC?
Judging by the uncensored pictures I would say soft..
Gallahad wrote: Those look like photos of existing metal miniatures for some of the dreadmere expansion, I tried using reaper's mini search tool without success, does anybody happen to know what the metal equivalents for Reisman, Worden, and Wladislaw are? I really like those.
03793: Townsfolk of Dreadmere: Mercenaries (3) ($19.79)
I am still disappointed I didnt have the money to fully back Bones 3, too many hard decisions, so much cool stuff slipped through my wallet. This time I have the cash and I will fix this.
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kestral wrote: Ok, I went in. Everyone else should too so we can get Dreamere part 2!
Don't worry Bones earned about a million in the first day, and will do the same on the last. We haven't seen the big stuff yet.
Man, I really wish they'd change the bones material to CMON PVC for smaller figures or just accept the limitations of the material and sculpt with it in mind. Those maggotcrown soldiers will be fine, but so much of the rest of Dreadmere is going to be a blobby, ill defined mess. Bones figures shouldn't have a bunch of details on them. It's a waste of time to sculpt buttons, buckles and bits that arent going to come out and will just make the figure look worse. Clean lines, simple design.
Between the core set knights and soldiers and these maggot crown guys, Reaper is finally making some troops above the Mantic Men at Arms quality threshold.
The tree of despair won't be delivered for another year and a half. At the rate GW is rereleasing old games I give it about 50/50 odds of Mordheim being rereleased about the same time.
That Dreadmere Expansion is just the kinds of thing that I was hoping to see in this Kickstarter!
The Core set is okay, but aside from the Fire Demon (or is it Daemon? I don't know anymore...) and Dragon Turtle, I am just not really excited by the add-ons of this Kickstarter. That tree is neat, and the statues might be cool to have, but I don't know for sure how I feel about some of them. I do know that I'm not a fan of chibi anything though. My family can paint those up if they want.
The Chronoscope expansion just doesn't really call to me in any way aside from the Dinosaur-humanoids in armor with ray guns (space traffic cones?). I would hope for something akin to the Stoneskull and Mythos expansions.
I would really like to see some more dragons and big monsters. I backed Bones 3 because I missed the first two, and was excited at picking up a bunch of dragons and big monsters. My wife and step-daughter are also really excited to paint up dragons and big monsters. I hope we can get a few more dragons and big monsters. I know not everyone wants more dragons and big monsters, but those are some of my favorite models to have at this point (Goremaw is especially lovely!). At this point in Bones 3 ($1.27 million) we had 3 of the Dragons unlocked, and right now the only one is in the Core set from the beginning.
I really hope we get some Mouselings at some point; if someone were to ask me what Reaper does different from the other miniature companies, I would point out the Mouselings models to them.
I assume as well that there will be a Sophie model at some point, yes?
It just doesn't look right. What is going on with the extensions?!? Baba Yaga's porch? Baba Yaga's... patio on the side there? Just looks way too homey. Plus I feel like the patio would fall off as soon as the legs stood up. I would prefer a more traditional look:
The funding trend took a small, but identifiable hit after the racism and transphobia incident yesterday, that's why we suddenly got Baba Yaga's hut announced and for a lot smaller gap in stretches.
NTRabbit wrote: The funding trend took a small, but identifiable hit after the racism and transphobia incident yesterday, that's why we suddenly got Baba Yaga's hut announced and for a lot smaller gap in stretches.
NTRabbit wrote: The funding trend took a small, but identifiable hit after the racism and transphobia incident yesterday, that's why we suddenly got Baba Yaga's hut announced and for a lot smaller gap in stretches.
The what now? What happened?
Someone posted screenshots of Reaper's long time CoO making comments in support of the "Unify the Right" white supremacist march in Charleston, and then directing transphobic abuse at someone who disagreed with him, on facebook, in public. Lots of people posted they were pulling their pledge, many other people reinforced that we're in a terrible hobby filled with terrible people and posted they agreed with him and increased their pledge because the snowflake cucks. Reaper had a board meeting, made a statement of regret, the guy posted a public apology, and I think a reprimand is what they're leaving it at.
It was a pretty big and bad mid project dent, which is why we got the hut early and at a much lower funding goal.
I think they deserve a chance. The only ones I've had trouble with are thin spears and and long guns. Mold lines can also be an issue, not because they are particularly bad, but because they are are hard to clean. I still find them well worth it for anything short of a centerpiece. I don't seem more than 2-3 of the dreadmere figures having issues. And the price difference to metal is going to be enormous on the big stuff.
kestral wrote: I think they deserve a chance. The only ones I've had trouble with are thin spears and and long guns. Mold lines can also be an issue, not because they are particularly bad, but because they are are hard to clean. I still find them well worth it for anything short of a centerpiece. I don't seem more than 2-3 of the dreadmere figures having issues. And the price difference to metal is going to be enormous on the big stuff.
Nah man.. all the board game pieces that are coming out as cheap or cheaper with way more detail.. there's really no excuse for them to stick to that material. It's inferior in pretty much every way.
kestral wrote: Dreadmere is now an enormous value. Come on 1.475 mil! Come on Reaper dudes, keep your crap together and don't screw this up, I want my Fishwife!
Oh man, I thought you were talking about Gulper for a moment. Do you want fishmen? Because that's how you get fishmen.
kestral wrote: \Mold lines can also be an issue, not because they are particularly bad, but because they are are hard to clean.
There is a trick to cleaning mold lines off of Bones.
Use a sharp X-Acto knife, and slice, not scrape, the lines off.
You get a little curlicue of plastic - and the line comes right off.
Not as quick and easy as scraping with a knife, or filing with a file, but easy, once you get the hang of it.
The Auld Grump - I was doing models made from vinyl a long time before Bones was a glimmer. (There was an awesome Cthulhu model sculpted by John Dennet, back in the day.)
Well, so far I am in for only the tree of despair. Hopefully some more good terrain shows up. After taking another look at my stuff from bones 3, the only stuff I was really happy with was the terrain.
I honestly thought everyone was using $6 Safari Eagles for Rocs at this point.. Schleich and Papo have some decent ones too.. For me any time they release giant animals, those companies stand out.. Giant octopus, Dragons, Mierce sized monsters, etc.. I guess since it's not new and made for Reaper it's not passable.. as.. their cheap PVC alternative to their other mediums.. oh well
Some of those monsters look cool, but I'm pretty sure they already have an eye beast and some dark elves in bones.
Also, as much as I appreciate the talent of the artist, I really hope someone tells her that Bones humanoids will never be that spindly or sharply detailed. Perhaps she could help Reaper avoid a lot of disappointment if she drew everyone a bit chunkier.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Some of those monsters look cool, but I'm pretty sure they already have an eye beast and some dark elves in bones.
Also, as much as I appreciate the talent of the artist, I really hope someone tells her that Bones humanoids will never be that spindly or sharply detailed. Perhaps she could help Reaper avoid a lot of disappointment if she drew everyone a bit chunkier.
Well, they'll be spindly. And there will certainly be lots of unidentifiable blobs on them! But they won't look good.
Stick to what works in Bones reaper. Big monsters, and chunky dudes in helmets to obscure their noseless pseudo-faces. Keep detail low on man sized figures. Basic fur/plate/robes comes out OK. Straps, buckles filigree, and the usual crap Wayne Reynolds clutters up his designs with DON'T.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Some of those monsters look cool, but I'm pretty sure they already have an eye beast and some dark elves in bones.
Also, as much as I appreciate the talent of the artist, I really hope someone tells her that Bones humanoids will never be that spindly or sharply detailed. Perhaps she could help Reaper avoid a lot of disappointment if she drew everyone a bit chunkier.
Well, they'll be spindly. And there will certainly be lots of unidentifiable blobs on them! But they won't look good.
Stick to what works in Bones reaper. Big monsters, and chunky dudes in helmets to obscure their noseless pseudo-faces. Keep detail low on man sized figures. Basic fur/plate/robes comes out OK. Straps, buckles filigree, and the usual crap Wayne Reynolds clutters up his designs with DON'T.
That's part of the problem with Bones.. They lump the big stuff that is appealing (to me) in the core set or an expansion set.. and pad it with stuff that has historically not done well in PVC. Then the individual add-ons are maaaaybe a dollar or 2 less than MSRP (and about what they'll be at discount). The only real "bargains" tend to be the absurdly large stuff that you have to build a new shelf for and start leveling players now.. so they'll be epic level by the time the big ass.. whatever.. ends up releasing. When Bones started, the market was different, the competition didn't even really exist, and e commerce had not really made it super easy to get fantasy PVC toys that are exactly the same quality as Bones (plus prepainted).. companies like Safari LTD, Shleich, Papo, etc are way more accessible now, companies like CMON and Monolith have redefined the standards for quality on cheap bulk minis, and Reaper has already repeated itself numerous times on what exactly they're producing through bones.
Yet somehow, they still think it's a good idea to release these tiny humanoids that just don't work at all. The designs for everything in this KS look great.. but sooo many people lose track of the fact that Bones just simply won't reproduce that.. save for the larger and/or simpler models.
Bones vs. Metal: Myself, I have the same dwarf in both metal and Bones I. I paint to advanced tabletop, and the results were pretty much the same (except for a mold line on the back of the miniature), particularly if you're going to use them for tabletop play. I doubt anyone who really will paint past advanced tabletop will be interested in the core set in the first place since there are *way* too many miniatures to paint in the core set, and $100 is better used to pick-and-choose miniatures for painting. I think anyone reading this thread, unfamiliar with Bones, and looking for miniatures to *play* with should go to their FLGS, slap on some brown liner (or other ink or paint to show the details), and see for themselves, particularly if they're not painting beyond advanced tabletop. I don't want anyone reading this thread to find out that these miniatures actually are suitable for them and miss out on miniatures that will not be offered like this again. Here's a thread on Reaper of an early Bones vs. its metal counterpart: http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/47477-bathalian-bones-vs-metal-challenge/
Agreed. Bones are great for populating a table, and that is all that interests me. Well, that conversions, which they are admittedly not that great for, though they take greenstuff well. 90% of my bones issues went away when I started dullcoating them BEFORE painting.
I haven't had any trouble converting Bones minis or painting them. I'm also not the most discerning miniature critic, although I know what I like. Some Bones minis lack critical features, like noses or fingers or symmetric swords (when they are supposed to be), so prospective customers should be aware of that. Armored characters, dwarfs and "flat/old school" minis turn out much better in Bones than say, Juliette or the Bowie Knife Assassin.
I would point out both of these guys are from Bones III and do not suffer from the soft sculpt or soft plastic issues that previous series have had. Reaper HAS stepped up their game. I'm guessing that a lot of people haven't handled the newer stuff yet, so haven't seen the improvements.
Azreal13 wrote: If there's a feth off massive Roc in this pass, I could be in for something. I've seen it mentioned a few times in the request thread in the Reaper forum, so fingers crossed.
Hrm, wish I could snag that 'Not a Displacer Beast' on its own (which I know I probably can at retail), so far nothing is grabbing me just yet. The core seems good, but I don't need a couple hundred random minis, usually I just end up treating these campaigns as an early offer to get bits from their pending lineup, and aim for terrain or random bits like the weapon sprues.
Eh, there's still time left for things to grow, but I get the sense I might just end up snagging one figure or kit out of habit more than anything else (well, plus access to an limited edition pieces, if/when they show up). My existing minis collection already exceeds my general needs (and a painting backlog I may never catch up on), so it's not the quantity that draws me in, but snagging early a few choice bits like terrain or weapons or things in translucent bones.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Looking at that dark elf, it doesn't look all that bad. I can make out the majority of the details.
I have painted that one and my recollection is that it is a lot better than it appears to be in plain white although I never could get the swords to stay straight for any great length of time though.
This was one of the miniatures from the Bones 1 campaign and as others have pointed out the learned a lot from the miniatures created in that campaign and have been putting that experience to good use.
Forar wrote: Hrm, wish I could snag that 'Not a Displacer Beast' on its own (which I know I probably can at retail), so far nothing is grabbing me just yet. The core seems good, but I don't need a couple hundred random minis, usually I just end up treating these campaigns as an early offer to get bits from their pending lineup, and aim for terrain or random bits like the weapon sprues.
Eh, there's still time left for things to grow, but I get the sense I might just end up snagging one figure or kit out of habit more than anything else (well, plus access to an limited edition pieces, if/when they show up). My existing minis collection already exceeds my general needs (and a painting backlog I may never catch up on), so it's not the quantity that draws me in, but snagging early a few choice bits like terrain or weapons or things in translucent bones.
I own both the actual metal Phase Kitty and the official D&D model (as well as the extremely large one from an earlier DDM set) and I'm not really a fan of the Reaper one to be honest. It's a bit on the small side and they gave it 4 legs instead of 6 and 4 tentacles instead of 2 to avoid IP infringement... If it's something you want and literally the only thing about this that's interesting to you, I would avoid the long wait and unwanted rest of set purchase and opt for the official model.
I mean, I'm not getting a full set (core or expansion) for one figure. I'd buy it at retail first. It was less bemoaning that one particular case, and more a matter that unlike KS2 (terrain) and KS3 (weapon sprues), nothing is really standing out for me.
Which is fine, I don't have to give them money, and they certainly aren't hurting for the $20 or whatever I usually chip in.
Just hoping that before the end they do drop some interesting stuff all the same. Maybe one large figure for a change and make my own enemy figure for one of my favourite board games. Hrm...
Forar wrote: I mean, I'm not getting a full set (core or expansion) for one figure. I'd buy it at retail first. It was less bemoaning that one particular case, and more a matter that unlike KS2 (terrain) and KS3 (weapon sprues), nothing is really standing out for me.
Which is fine, I don't have to give them money, and they certainly aren't hurting for the $20 or whatever I usually chip in.
Just hoping that before the end they do drop some interesting stuff all the same. Maybe one large figure for a change and make my own enemy figure for one of my favourite board games. Hrm...
I feel you.. the oversized Grell boss thing does sit squarely in a role I have planned for a game I want to run.. but.. I'll be getting one in Massive Darkness here shortly. There's a few other odds and ends that are intriguing but almost all of it is buried behind a paywall/buy-in so I'll just live without for now. I've been going through all my fantasy miniatures and board games today (and painting up Black Plague finally!) and realized I've got waaaaay too much gak. When I sorted through 5 big rubbermaid containers of monsters trying to find the troll thing from BP only to realize it was in the actual box it came in on a shelf behind a bunch of other unopened things.. I was like "yeah.. too much"..
If that weren't the case.. I would probably be putting together a campaign featuring hill and fire giants..
Spending too much time in the SW thread. Seriously though, I like the resulpt but he is nowhere near as imposing as I would expect from someone with that title.
Forar wrote: I mean, I'm not getting a full set (core or expansion) for one figure. I'd buy it at retail first. It was less bemoaning that one particular case, and more a matter that unlike KS2 (terrain) and KS3 (weapon sprues), nothing is really standing out for me.
Which is fine, I don't have to give them money, and they certainly aren't hurting for the $20 or whatever I usually chip in.
Just hoping that before the end they do drop some interesting stuff all the same. Maybe one large figure for a change and make my own enemy figure for one of my favourite board games. Hrm...
I was in that predicament with Reaper Bones 3 as I wanted the Behir and pretty much nothing else and it was only available as part of a larger expansion set. I don't regred the decision as it's an ok mini from the pics but I'm not a fan of the big one piece fill in base as it reminds me too much of the old Leviathan game models (not the WW1 naval floating ship game but the even older fantasy game).
Still meh because I don't have enough terrain. Right now I'm basically in for 2 of each statue set and probably 2 tree's of despair. I was hoping for more. Especially ruins.
Hulksmash wrote: Still meh because I don't have enough terrain. Right now I'm basically in for 2 of each statue set and probably 2 tree's of despair. I was hoping for more. Especially ruins.
I'm in the same boat as you. Fingers crossed for more terrain!
I also hope they unlock parts of the core set as add-ons. There are one or two things I would grab.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Interesting that Darkreach gets a 4th addition while the other expansions all stopped with a 3rd.
The other ones tended to have something big in them (behir, gulper, etc). Darkreach doesnt really have that, and has a bunch of gnomes bringing down the average.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Darkreach doesnt really have that, and has a bunch of gnomes bringing down the average.
DAMN GNOMES ALWAYS BRINGING DOWN THE AVERAGE
Grave Things and other subsets of the core will be made available separately. No idea why they're taking so long to do this. And, yeah, I'd like a second set for symmetry.
Ok, now that Lost Valley expansion is pretty rad! Stuff looks basic enough with detail that will come through. Would be really cool if they did the hut like the pit fiend, with multiple accessory add ons.
IMHO, it's the best Bones ever, with the focused expansions and killer add-ons. The Core Set is already an insane value and more stuff will be added by the end.
I am patiently awaiting the the Frost Giant Warriors (Men) from Bones 3 to be available at retail, or unless I spot someone selling theirs. I missed out on them originally, but recently have a need for them.
Dark reach - so much hit, so much miss. The gloomstalker is amazing. The fungus people, not so much. Though it might not be too hard to convert them to actual mushrooms. Gnomes, meh. Elves, hard to say from sketches. Monsters - mostly great!
kestral wrote: Dark reach - so much hit, so much miss. The gloomstalker is amazing. The fungus people, not so much. Though it might not be too hard to convert them to actual mushrooms. Gnomes, meh. Elves, hard to say from sketches. Monsters - mostly great!
I would be extremely hesitant about going off of sketches. The Froghemoth and Hobgoblins and cultists from the last one ended up straying from the art a ways.
kestral wrote: Dark reach - so much hit, so much miss. The gloomstalker is amazing. The fungus people, not so much. Though it might not be too hard to convert them to actual mushrooms. Gnomes, meh. Elves, hard to say from sketches. Monsters - mostly great!
Agreed. Love the critters and the purple shrooms. Gnomes and fungus men bringing the value way down.
Lost Valley would be nice if they didn't waste so much weight on a damn hut.
Looks like it will be Dreadmire and Chronoscope for me.
Funny, with the KS winding down, I was just thinking this was a rather disappointing showing. There are some figures I'd like to have scattered through the various sets, and I'll probably pick up the new giants, but there is nothing that's making me go "WOW! I have to have that!!!" like I experienced in previous campaigns.
Funny, with the KS winding down, I was just thinking this was a rather disappointing showing. There are some figures I'd like to have scattered through the various sets, and I'll probably pick up the new giants, but there is nothing that's making me go "WOW! I have to have that!!!" like I experienced in previous campaigns.
Maybe I'm just becoming jaded to KS?
I feel similarly, but I am glad for those really enjoying this one. It also seems unlikely that we will see the core set broken into little add-ons this time around. They may be trying to keep logistics simple this time around.
Funny, with the KS winding down, I was just thinking this was a rather disappointing showing. There are some figures I'd like to have scattered through the various sets, and I'll probably pick up the new giants, but there is nothing that's making me go "WOW! I have to have that!!!" like I experienced in previous campaigns.
Maybe I'm just becoming jaded to KS?
I feel similarly, but I am glad for those really enjoying this one. It also seems unlikely that we will see the core set broken into little add-ons this time around. They may be trying to keep logistics simple this time around.
I really like the way this one was run - I didn't participate too much in Bones 3 but I was around for 1 and 2 and I remember all the complaining whenever a stretch goal was chronoscope figs, or to flesh out an expansion that someone wasn't interested in. Here it felt like whenever a goal added something specific to a fringe expansion it also came with free core figs or some other interesting add-on. Even when it wasn't the most exciting things ever it always felt like there was something interesting coming.
I'm hoping for some big wow-surprise reveals for the final few days of the campaign.
... I'm hoping for some big wow-surprise reveals for the final few days of the campaign.
There was a sneak pic (that I don't have access to at work) that showed a large diorama of two dragons battling in mid-air. Looked really cool and was possibly on overall scale with the Bones 3 Not-Tiamat. Hopefully this will be their surprise reveal to drive the pledge total during the last few days of the campaign.
... I'm hoping for some big wow-surprise reveals for the final few days of the campaign.
There was a sneak pic (that I don't have access to at work) that showed a large diorama of two dragons battling in mid-air. Looked really cool and was possibly on overall scale with the Bones 3 Not-Tiamat. Hopefully this will be their surprise reveal to drive the pledge total during the last few days of the campaign.
They mentioned that the diorama was 12" tall and wasn't the largest item to come either.
... I'm hoping for some big wow-surprise reveals for the final few days of the campaign.
There was a sneak pic (that I don't have access to at work) that showed a large diorama of two dragons battling in mid-air. Looked really cool and was possibly on overall scale with the Bones 3 Not-Tiamat. Hopefully this will be their surprise reveal to drive the pledge total during the last few days of the campaign.
They mentioned that the diorama was 12" tall and wasn't the largest item to come either.
Ah, cool. Thanks, I missed that bit of info. Good to know.
And now I'm anxious to see what the bigger item is ...
Eh, if you only buy giants, Reaper will have $45 out of your wallet. Not a trivial amount of money.
And this large figure isn't trivial, either! I'm sure it detaches, so you have MORE TERRAIN for your tabletop!
For the necrophiles the number of gravestone pillar toppers in the Core is now *six* per sculpt, not one. The pillars themselves will be available in the Reaper store as part of the Gravestone set.
Boom! Now I'm in for more.... Weirdly, looking at what I want for partial stuff from the core set almost makes me want to get the whole thing for just a few dollars more... ...very sly Reaper! Well played.
Definitely glad Reaper's listening to criticisms and making large and terrain Bones. They also released "sensibly dressed" female giants in non-seductive poses (anyone remember the female Storm Giant)?
Anyway, more about the terrain: "Reaper Miniatures 6-time creator less than a minute ago : Did I forget to mention that in that Fantasy Scenics Set, the Ritual Circle, Well of Despair, and Ruined Doorway are designed to fit into the Dragons Don't Share Tower and Stairs?"
Wow, I thought they would only get me for $12 for the tree of despair, but the terrain bundle is an insta buy, and now I'm afraid I can't resist the Lost Valley expansion. Part 3 of the Lost Valley looks like 90% things I want, so it tipped me over the edge.
kestral wrote: Boom! Now I'm in for more.... Weirdly, looking at what I want for partial stuff from the core set almost makes me want to get the whole thing for just a few dollars more... ...very sly Reaper! Well played.
Not quite enough in their to make the whole core set a worthwhile buy for me. I'd probably go with:
Monsters $7 (even though I only really want the Gryphon)
Dire Beast $4
Snake Cultists $6
Ape Attack $4
Cave Dwellers $10 (even though I only want three ofthe five)
So, that's $31 instead of $100.
I'd like those raptors in the Lost Valley #3, but I don't want the Bear Clan figures and I'm ambivalent about the Stone Giants so I'm not sure if I'll buy it yet.
I just got an email with the Blacktooth Terror (t-rex) add on, so I'm all over that one as long as they hit that total before the end.
Those room tiles are kind of perfect for my RPG group, and they're cheaper than even buying those DnD Cardstock room tiles... I think I might be back in for those and the terrain.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Those room tiles are kind of perfect for my RPG group, and they're cheaper than even buying those DnD Cardstock room tiles... I think I might be back in for those and the terrain.
Remember to save some of your gaming budget for the upcoming ForgePrints AdventureScape game tiles and accessories! :
"all rooms are "early bird unpainted" (this is backers in the first week) $65 and for a sense of sizing between tiles and accessories the alchemy chamber before stretch goals has 108 pieces in it! "
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Also, this month's free w/ $40 purchase Reaper model through their web store (not KS related) : http://www.reapermini.com/
So far, Core, Dreadmere, Tree, Baba's Hut, and both paint sets. That'll still put a dent in the wallet!
Lost Valley is starting to look kinda like a self-contained skirmish game with a few distinguishable factions (anthro dinos, jade cavemen, bear cavemen, giants, and trained raptors for everyone!)
Forgeprint's AdventureScapes will be starting nn the 6th, so, if you're looking for game tiles in addition to the Reaper KS ones, save some money for that KS. The EB pledges will be available the first week, and pledges will be $65 for 80-100 pieces.
A bit of a head-scratcher that they were using stretch goals for the add-on sets throughout the campaign. I like the look of that barge, but given that it's an unfinished set for the price they were asking, it might not be worthwhile...
In their previous KS, Reaper "unlocked" additional add-ons after the campaign was over. My guess is that Reaper waited until they received the funds pledged before making further decisions. I understand that 10%+ of funds pledged are not actually collected. So, something like *300K* of monies will not be received by Reaper. Again a guess, but I think once Reaper receives their funds, they will decide whether or not to unlock the rest of the barge.
That barge will most certainly get finished in the pledge manager.
I know I put in for a core set only right now, but come time to access paypal funds I'll probably end up with most of the campaign to mess with.
I wish that mammoth was an individual add on, but I'm liking some of the sheer randomness of the expansion- it's a lot like the 1st expansion during the Bones 2 campaign.
Azazelx wrote: A bit of a head-scratcher that they were using stretch goals for the add-on sets throughout the campaign. I like the look of that barge, but given that it's an unfinished set for the price they were asking, it might not be worthwhile...
Yeah, worth noting the Mythos expansion from Bones 3 sold for $50 in the campaign.... and $50 retail (and thus cheaper online). The barge seems an easy pass for $30, compared to the other offerings. I don't get having paid add on's be unlocked in phases throughout the campaign.
I'd reserve judgement on that barge for when it's all said and done.
That fan pick one is going to be a curious one. I'm going to have to see just how big that mammoth is going to be if they want me to pony up 50 bucks for the whole lot.
I do appreciate all the random aquatic figures Reaper keeps putting out.
Strange they didn't run it through the whole weekend since it's a holiday in the US.
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Looks like you can pick up bases in the pledge manager. Something like a dime per base in bulk.
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Bases
Square, Hex, & Rectangular Bases
74029
Black Lipped No Slot Hex 30mm Game x 22
Show me! $2
74038
Black Flat No Slot Square 25mm Game x 30
Show me! $3
74039
Black Lipped No Slot Square 25mm Game x 40
Show me! $4
74040
Black Flat No Slot Square 20mm Game x 22
Show me! $2
74012
Black Lipped Slotted Rectangular 25x50mm Game x 12
Show me! $2
74015
Black Lipped Slotted Square 25mm Game x 22
Show me! $2
74024
Black Lipped Slotted Square 40mm Game x 15
Show me! $3
74028
Black Lipped Slotted Square 50mm Game x 12
Show me! $2
74043
Clear Lipped Slotted Hex 30mm Game x 22
Show me! $2
Round Bases
74030
Black Lipped No Slot Round 45mm Display x 14
Show me! $2
74031
Black Lipped No Slot Round 60mm Display x 12
Show me! $2
74034
Black Lipped No Slot Round 60mm Game x 30
Show me! $5
74035
Black Flat No Slot Round 25mm RPG x 20
Show me! $2
74036
Black Flat No Slot Round 50mm RPG x 15
Show me! $3
74037
Black Flat No Slot Round 75mm RPG x 10
Show me! $2
74048
Black Lipped No Slot Round 32mm Game x 50
Show me! $5
74049
Black Lipped No Slot Round 50mm Game x 8
Show me! $3
74050
Black Lipped No Slot Round 55mm Game x 12
Show me! $2
74061
Black Lipped No Slot Round 80mm Game x 4
Show me! $4
74062
Black Lipped No Slot Round 100mm Game x 4
Show me! $5
74063
Black Lipped No Slot Round 130mm Game x 4
Show me! $5
74064
Black Lipped No Slot Round 160mm Game x 4
Show me! $7
74023
Black Lipped Slotted Round 30mm Display x 20
Show me! $2
74032
Black Lipped Slotted Round 25mm Game x 22
Show me! $2
74033
Black Lipped Slotted Round 40mm Game x 16
Show me! $2
74044
Clear Flat Slotted Round 50mm Game x 15
Show me! $3
Oval Bases
74065
Black Lipped No Slot Oval 60x35mm Game x 14
Show me! $3
74066
Black Lipped No Slot Oval 75x46mm Game x 10
Show me! $3
74067
Black Lipped No Slot Oval 92x52mm Game x 6
Show me! $3
74068
Black Lipped No Slot Oval 105x70mm Game x 4
Show me! $4
74069
Black Lipped No Slot Oval 120x92mm Game x 4
Show me! $4
74070
Black Lipped No Slot Oval 170x105mm Game x 4
Show me! $4
74071
Black Lipped No Slot Rounded Rectangle 70x25mm Cavalry x 12
Show me! $2
Flight Poles
Use these with any slotted base to create a flight, swimming, or hovering effect.
74046
Clear Flight Pole 30mm Game x 30
Show me! $2
74047
Clear Flight Pole 20mm Game x 30
Show me!
out.. 
rather than the crappy soft bendy PVC.
