Dreadknight would be a good candidate for the stormtalon->stormhawk treatment. Surely they could make a little dreadnought sarcophagus dealie to go on the front instead of the baby carrier? Put a couple of new arm weapons on the sprue too. Stick £10 on the price. Sell loads of dreadknights. Call me, GW
I'm curious if they'll incorporate primaris into GK as one of Cawl's bastard side projects. I hope not just like I hope that GK don't suddenly sprout a second wound.
Galas wrote: That fan ad was awesome.
So they allow rules for something without a model? So this "no kit no rules" isnt really as monolithic has it appears, no?
I don't think the "no kit no rules" thing was applied consistently. AFAIK, Razorbacks don't get supplied with twin assault cannons either, but that didn't change their datasheet.
Galas wrote: That fan ad was awesome.
So they allow rules for something without a model? So this "no kit no rules" isnt really as monolithic has it appears, no?
I don't think the "no kit no rules" thing was applied consistently. AFAIK, Razorbacks don't get supplied with twin assault cannons either, but that didn't change their datasheet.
Careful... logic might get you attacked by the GW Super Fans.
Does anybody remember when 5th edition was the "no frills" edition but it only lasted for the first 2 or 3 codexes before going completely off the rails? I'm still thinking 8th is going to do that. The "no kit no rules" concept being unevenly applied is signaling to me that GW rules desingers are having issues with keeping themselves in a cohesive design space. We might look back at the indexes and see it as the pinnacle of 8th edition. I hope not but I've got no evidence that I should trust GWlol.
BrotherGecko wrote: Does anybody remember when 5th edition was the "no frills" edition but it only lasted for the first 2 or 3 codexes before going completely off the rails? I'm still thinking 8th is going to do that. The "no kit no rules" concept being unevenly applied is signaling to me that GW rules desingers are having issues with keeping themselves in a cohesive design space. We might look back at the indexes and see it as the pinnacle of 8th edition. I hope not but I've got no evidence that I should trust GWlol.
IIRC 4th edition (at least in terms of the options presented in the codex books) was the no frills blandhammer edition that was complained about for years into 5th.
Galas wrote: That fan ad was awesome.
So they allow rules for something without a model? So this "no kit no rules" isnt really as monolithic has it appears, no?
I don't think the "no kit no rules" thing was applied consistently. AFAIK, Razorbacks don't get supplied with twin assault cannons either, but that didn't change their datasheet.
As ever, Space Marines will be allowed to get away with it, no one else will.
Traditionally Eldar are the ones to bust the new edition. So until they get their codex I will he quietly hopeful that the missteps will be successfully ironed out.
As ever, Space Marines will be allowed to get away with it, no one else will.
Incredibly weird statement, since SMs are the first ones to suffer from it (Dreadnoughts at least and all the bikes)... But they did forget to scrap the twin assault cannons for some reason.
I asked in an announcement post for the primaris marines about primaris grey knights, I got an official reply basically saying Grey knights are all psykers and they haven't released whether primaris marines can be or not yet, so with the release of the primaris librarian could certain primaris squads be available to the Grey knights with added psychic abilities?
I kind of have to wonder if the Grandmaster Dreadknight will have some different weapon options. It would at least have more attacks than a normal Dreadknight, right? Perhaps a Dreadknight Stormshield?
I wonder what other new toys the GK will be given. As it is they are a rather option poor army. No Contemptors, No LandSpeeders, no bikes, no scouts, no Predators.
A week ago I passed on some Dreadknights that were on discount because no one wanted them.
I REGRET ALL OF IT.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also quick question.
Since they advertised that you have to convert one up, how much of a "conversion" would you guys consider to be "enough" for a Grand Master Dreadknight, considering he's already in Terminator armor and the "Grand Master" model just has a fancy tabard?
Since they advertised that you have to convert one up, how much of a "conversion" would you guys consider to be "enough" for a Grand Master Dreadknight, considering he's already in Terminator armor and the "Grand Master" model just has a fancy tabard?
Probably just put the Dreadknight fancier colours or more decoration and call it a day. The actual Grey Knight on it is the least important part of the Dreadknight.
Galas wrote: That fan ad was awesome.
So they allow rules for something without a model? So this "no kit no rules" isnt really as monolithic has it appears, no?
I don't think the "no kit no rules" thing was applied consistently. AFAIK, Razorbacks don't get supplied with twin assault cannons either, but that didn't change their datasheet.
Speaking of no kits... are GK or CSM actually getting any kits with these books and cards? The side by side books contrast forebodingly with the Piles o' Primaris.
Galas wrote: That fan ad was awesome.
So they allow rules for something without a model? So this "no kit no rules" isnt really as monolithic has it appears, no?
I don't think the "no kit no rules" thing was applied consistently. AFAIK, Razorbacks don't get supplied with twin assault cannons either, but that didn't change their datasheet.
Speaking of no kits... are GK or CSM actually getting any kits with these books and cards? The side by side books contrast forebodingly with the Piles o' Primaris.
proably not no. although one can hope we get a new model or two, nothing major a CSM havoc box and I dunno, maybe a plastic tech marine?
BrotherGecko wrote: Traditionally Eldar are the ones to bust the new edition. So until they get their codex I will he quietly hopeful that the missteps will be successfully ironed out.
Traditionally? As in, 6th edition? Before 6th and the advent of the new Wave Serpent and Allies, Eldar were generally Tier 2. I played them since second Edition and the only edition they ever busted was 6th.
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: A week ago I passed on some Dreadknights that were on discount because no one wanted them.
I REGRET ALL OF IT.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also quick question.
Since they advertised that you have to convert one up, how much of a "conversion" would you guys consider to be "enough" for a Grand Master Dreadknight, considering he's already in Terminator armor and the "Grand Master" model just has a fancy tabard?
Here is my conversion from a couple years ago. Sorry for quality, it was a painting in progress. I wouldn't be surprised to see three things: GM Dreadknights able to take two of the same heavy weapons, giant storm shield option, and funky wargear like all the grenades, teleport homer, deepstrike ability, etc. Add into that an aura effect for other troops (or other Dreadknights) and two more attacks and you will have a monster HQ
I think the GM Dreadknight is just going to be a buffed version of a dreadknight. The conversion from the picture we have got so far is a Voldus head and an extra heraldric shoulder shield.
I wouldnt get my hopes up too much, though its tempting to pick up another one to bling up a bit to go with my two sitting in their case from the good ol Draigo/Centurion days.
Since they advertised that you have to convert one up, how much of a "conversion" would you guys consider to be "enough" for a Grand Master Dreadknight, considering he's already in Terminator armor and the "Grand Master" model just has a fancy tabard?
I imagine it can be done by something as simple as adding the paladin mini banners to the DK. Maybe even the whole banner on his back?
Also, if you cut the top off a nemesis warding staff and remove the skull on the inside, you would have a perfect iron halo bit that fits right above the carrier. I think that's what I'll do, although I already have heavily converted dreadknights standing at the ready:
If they do get an insane Storm shield option, I've already got that covered...
Could make for a nice big robot army that isn't Imperial Knights. Sure, not everyone likes the Dreadknights, but for those that do it's good to get a new option.
I'm not thrilled by the idea of GW taking options away someplace and adding new ones elsewhere, though. That's basically the same lack of direction that has plague GW for too long.
GM Dreadknight will be buffed stats, maybe a special rule attached to a weapon or for the character causing mortal wounds and additional psychic powers/buffed psychic powers.
As ever, Space Marines will be allowed to get away with it, no one else will.
Incredibly weird statement, since SMs are the first ones to suffer from it (Dreadnoughts at least and all the bikes)... But they did forget to scrap the twin assault cannons for some reason.
Imateria is wrong here, but your not correct either. Marines are not the first to suffer from such a policy which was probably what he was elluding to. DE, Necrons etc have all had options elminated from units based on whats in available in their individual kits.
BrotherGecko wrote: Traditionally Eldar are the ones to bust the new edition. So until they get their codex I will he quietly hopeful that the missteps will be successfully ironed out.
Traditionally? As in, 6th edition? Before 6th and the advent of the new Wave Serpent and Allies, Eldar were generally Tier 2. I played them since second Edition and the only edition they ever busted was 6th.
Then you didn't play much in 2nd LMAO. Eldar in 2nd were literally the most bitched about faction around. They also ruined 4th edtion with unkillable falcons.
Geifer wrote: Could make for a nice big robot army that isn't Imperial Knights. Sure, not everyone likes the Dreadknights, but for those that do it's good to get a new option.
I'm not thrilled by the idea of GW taking options away someplace and adding new ones elsewhere, though. That's basically the same lack of direction that has plague GW for too long.
Well people only dislike Dreadknights in looks, most people are kinda fine with them otherwise (kinda like the inverse of Primaris Marines).
Sining wrote: So the normal grey knights are no longer available online on the uk Webstore. All sold out it seems . I wonder if they're going to repack
Probably just a change in the actual packaging rather than the boxes.
A few years ago they did 10 man Strike Squad boxes that are at the $60 price point instead of $66 for 2 of the $33 boxes.
BrotherGecko wrote: Traditionally Eldar are the ones to bust the new edition. So until they get their codex I will he quietly hopeful that the missteps will be successfully ironed out.
Traditionally? As in, 6th edition? Before 6th and the advent of the new Wave Serpent and Allies, Eldar were generally Tier 2. I played them since second Edition and the only edition they ever busted was 6th.
Then you didn't play much in 2nd LMAO. Eldar in 2nd were literally the most bitched about faction around. They also ruined 4th edtion with unkillable falcons.
To be fair, I was much younger when 2nd edition was around and probably didn't have my thumb to the pulse of the competitive scene. Around where I played, it was Space Wolves and their Wolf Guard that were bitched about. I do remember the Falcons of 4th, but I don't remember them "ruining" the edition on the scale that Taudar and the like did.
BrotherGecko wrote: Traditionally Eldar are the ones to bust the new edition. So until they get their codex I will he quietly hopeful that the missteps will be successfully ironed out.
Traditionally? As in, 6th edition? Before 6th and the advent of the new Wave Serpent and Allies, Eldar were generally Tier 2. I played them since second Edition and the only edition they ever busted was 6th.
Then you didn't play much in 2nd LMAO. Eldar in 2nd were literally the most bitched about faction around. They also ruined 4th edtion with unkillable falcons.
To be fair, I was much younger when 2nd edition was around and probably didn't have my thumb to the pulse of the competitive scene. Around where I played, it was Space Wolves and their Wolf Guard that were bitched about. I do remember the Falcons of 4th, but I don't remember them "ruining" the edition on the scale that Taudar and the like did.
Hey no worries, I was very young too but made friends with a bunch of silver backs as they referred to themselves as and they tuned me into the meta back then. BTW you aren't wrong about the wolves either, wolf guard heavy weapon terminator spam was also a thing. But at any rate Eldar has been stronger in 40k then it has been weak, as a faction they mostly suffered through a small stint in 3rd and then as they aged from 4th going into 5th but even then it was a matter of lists. For the most part they have been VERY strong and flat broken undeniably 3 times by my count.
Anyway, wasn't trying to snipe you, just thought I would chime in.
BrotherGecko wrote: Does anybody remember when 5th edition was the "no frills" edition but it only lasted for the first 2 or 3 codexes before going completely off the rails? I'm still thinking 8th is going to do that. The "no kit no rules" concept being unevenly applied is signaling to me that GW rules desingers are having issues with keeping themselves in a cohesive design space. We might look back at the indexes and see it as the pinnacle of 8th edition. I hope not but I've got no evidence that I should trust GWlol.
I fully intend to use the Indices as supplements to the official codices. Of course, I'l playing in a "friendly games" space, where we're also allowing for converisons based on previous edition rules, so a Librarian with Jump Pack and a pair of Lightning Claws, CSM Lord with a Thunder Hammer, Apothecary with a Power Sword, Legion of the Damned guy with Lascannon are being grandfathered in - along with the Dark Milennium Chosen and the like. With the implicit understanding that new builds of models and the like will be "current codex legal". I think we'll also allow for the "apothecaries on bikes" type exception as well based on the Index-Supplement concept. Of course, this is no use to people playing in moure tourney or FLGS-PUG situations, but I'm lucky enough to be in a group that's in a situation to be able to take ownership of the game and "forge the narrative" as we like.
I've got four thousand points of metal Grey Knights from the pre-Draigo heresy (including the now apparently OOP Forgeworld Dreadnaughts) and one heavily converted to a Samurai pose with a Dreadnaught front Dreadknight.
...hopefully, this will not make me cry and put them back in the Storage Closet of Shame.
Reading the new WD now and there's a shot of some of the GK models in the codex and that plastic Terminator Chaplain is there. He looks pretty sick in silver armour.
I got the new WD too in the mail. The chaplain picture sure as hell is small, but it's definitely that model... It is a new addition to the Grey Knight line-up. A welcome one!
Funnily enough, there are 3 models in that shot of the codex that all say "converted" in it. Makes the riffleman dread disappearance a more bitter pill to swallow I guess...
The new GMDK will only be worth it if it gains the GMWS and BS and probably a few wounds as well. And even then how much is GW going to add to the point costs of a model that is overcosted for what you get already.
That being said adding Chaplains would be a cool addition to the army since we do have some in the grey knight stories.
The GM improving the invulnerable save on the DK would be huge, too. And you could make it your warlord for 6+ FNP.
Mostly hoping for points reductions and survivability increases from the psychic powers / relics / strategems. Maybe some reliable charge aid and something to prevent enemy fallbacks for the safety of being stuck in melee?
Because IME everything people take to kill vehicles just blows us off the table.
Elmir wrote: I got the new WD too in the mail. The chaplain picture sure as hell is small, but it's definitely that model... It is a new addition to the Grey Knight line-up. A welcome one!
Funnily enough, there are 3 models in that shot of the codex that all say "converted" in it. Makes the riffleman dread disappearance a more bitter pill to swallow I guess...
Wait..... I may have been living under a rock for a while. Did they get rid of the two twin-autocannon setup for the Dreadnought?
In the new Marine codex they got rid of anything that you can't make from the sprue in the box, so that and e.g. things like jump packs and bikes on some characters aren't listed.
However, they then said you're free to use the Index entry for anything missing in the Codex, just use the most up-to-date points for any unit or wargear.
So for the moment twin-autocannon Dread is perfectly legal but in the future they'll probably phase that sort of thing out completely.
Well, that's just silly. So a dreadnought can only have a DCCW or missile launcher on the left arm, and a TL lascannon or assault cannon on the right? No more autocannons? No more Plasmacannon? No more TW heavy bolter?
Did that apply to razorbacks as well? I have TL assault cannons and las plas that are nervous.
Reading the new WD now and there's a shot of some of the GK models in the codex and that plastic Terminator Chaplain is there. He looks pretty sick in silver armour.
You gonna love the gw double standard... a lot of things have been removed from the SM dex due to there not a model for it, like bike libby or Khan on a bike.
But the wd Will show us a guide to kit-bash a grand Master dreadknight.. so GK are allowed to get rules for models there are no miniature for, but SM are not
Meh, it's inconsistent even within the SM codex itself, e.g. las-plas Razorback is out but twin assault cannon razorback is still in, despite neither being supported.
Lanlaorn wrote: Meh, it's inconsistent even within the SM codex itself, e.g. las-plas Razorback is out but twin assault cannon razorback is still in, despite neither being supported.
They at least at one point did make a lasplas turret.
Lanlaorn wrote: Meh, it's inconsistent even within the SM codex itself, e.g. las-plas Razorback is out but twin assault cannon razorback is still in, despite neither being supported.
It seems like GW wants to make extra clear that they have no consistent opinion on the "no model, no rules" issue. Quoting myself from a thread about the Ork Looted Wagon:
Darnok wrote: For the time being you have no other legal option than use either the Battlewagons rules or something from the FW index list. Depending on the size of the model, you could also use it as a Trukk, Wartrakk, Skorcha or Warbuggy. Whether the new codex will provide rules for the Looted Wagon is impossible to sa for now, since GW is inconsistent about the "no model, no rules" issue, contrary to claims otherwise.
BaconCatBug wrote: As is well known at this point, due to the Chapter House lawsuits, Games Workshop has adopted a STRICT No Model, No Rules policy
But this is just not true, as - ironically - proven by the Ork index list. It provides datasheets for "Warboss in Mega Armour", "Warboss on Warbike", "Big Mek on Warbike" and "Painboy on Warbike" - none of which have a current model, or ever had one that I am aware of. I'm not even sure that the last two were an option at all (haven't played during 6th/7th edition), but there are not even proper conversion options around anyway.*
The point is: none of these units have a model on sale from GW, yet they have rules now. The Looted Wagon has been around since 2nd edition, yet has no rules now. Make of that what you will, there is no consistent position from GW on it though.
On a side note: "Nobz on Warbikes" are in a funny position. They were a thing as far back as 2nd edition, and were quite popular during 4th or 5th edition (mostly due to rules schenanigans). But technically there is no kit for them. Yes, the Warbike kit comes with parts for a Nob - but only for one model. The Nobz kit on the other hand is incompatible with the Warbikes insofar as the Nob bodies do not fit on the bikes. You have to either use Nob arms on undersized bodies, or hunt for other bits (one source being the regular Orkboyz kit). GW would have been rightfully shitstormed for removing the Nobbiker option - but properly converting them is far from trivial.
* ... Of course you could use certain parts from the Nobz and/or Meganobz kit, but I'd hardly call that "proper".
I'm sure you could just use the regular Dreadknight kit and call it a Grandmaster, but GW going the extra mile by putting a "How to convert..." article in WD is... special. They clearly do not know what they want - maybe just confusing their customers...
Lanlaorn wrote: Meh, it's inconsistent even within the SM codex itself, e.g. las-plas Razorback is out but twin assault cannon razorback is still in, despite neither being supported.
There is a assault Cannon option in the box
No there isn't. Heavy bolter and Lascannon. That's it.
It seems like GW wants to make extra clear that they have no consistent opinion on the "no model, no rules" issue. Quoting myself from a thread about the Ork Looted Wagon:
Darnok wrote: For the time being you have no other legal option than use either the Battlewagons rules or something from the FW index list. Depending on the size of the model, you could also use it as a Trukk, Wartrakk, Skorcha or Warbuggy. Whether the new codex will provide rules for the Looted Wagon is impossible to sa for now, since GW is inconsistent about the "no model, no rules" issue, contrary to claims otherwise.
BaconCatBug wrote: As is well known at this point, due to the Chapter House lawsuits, Games Workshop has adopted a STRICT No Model, No Rules policy
But this is just not true, as - ironically - proven by the Ork index list. It provides datasheets for "Warboss in Mega Armour", "Warboss on Warbike", "Big Mek on Warbike" and "Painboy on Warbike" - none of which have a current model, or ever had one that I am aware of. I'm not even sure that the last two were an option at all (haven't played during 6th/7th edition), but there are not even proper conversion options around anyway.*
The point is: none of these units have a model on sale from GW, yet they have rules now. The Looted Wagon has been around since 2nd edition, yet has no rules now. Make of that what you will, there is no consistent position from GW on it though.
On a side note: "Nobz on Warbikes" are in a funny position. They were a thing as far back as 2nd edition, and were quite popular during 4th or 5th edition (mostly due to rules schenanigans). But technically there is no kit for them. Yes, the Warbike kit comes with parts for a Nob - but only for one model. The Nobz kit on the other hand is incompatible with the Warbikes insofar as the Nob bodies do not fit on the bikes. You have to either use Nob arms on undersized bodies, or hunt for other bits (one source being the regular Orkboyz kit). GW would have been rightfully shitstormed for removing the Nobbiker option - but properly converting them is far from trivial.
* ... Of course you could use certain parts from the Nobz and/or Meganobz kit, but I'd hardly call that "proper".
I'm sure you could just use the regular Dreadknight kit and call it a Grandmaster, but GW going the extra mile by putting a "How to convert..." article in WD is... special. They clearly do not know what they want - maybe just confusing their customers...
While I agree with you, Darnok, two corrections there is a Nobz Warbiker and Warboss on Bike kit available from Forgeworld
They are reboxing the Grey Knight kits currently, there is an advert in August White Dwarf. It could make sense to wait, because of this and rules changing.
Which may have influenced their decision regarding these units while others have been canned
Eh, I actually had forgotten these FW models existed, thanks for bringing them up! That oooold model is just what you could take in the 2nd edition Codex: driver plus Nob.
The FW kits do not make GWs stand on the issue any clearer though. So am I supposed to use FW models for Codex rules? Then why do some of the FW models have no GW rules while others have? Some previously available Codex rules having FW model options still exist in new rules, some not.
The whole issue is weird, and GW clearly does not know what they want.
Darnok wrote: The whole issue is weird, and GW clearly does not know what they want.
Sadly yes. It looks like there isn't even a pattern behind this. In case of the Ork Boyz they removed the 4+/'eavy Armour/'ard Boyz option entirely. Some 'ard Boyz bits would have been in the kit. The Nobz wear 4+ per default now even though its only bits for them, too. I guess these are decisions made by the rules team to balance the units because all the other special units like Flash Gitz and Tankbustz lack a 4+. It cant be the models. Flash Gitz wear more armour than those Nobz. It is getting offtopic now but I think several other factions will loose options until there will be modelling options for these. Which sucks. A lot
Shrug, it could even be competing interests in the company, e.g. the legal department wants it one way but the rules and art guys don't like it and do the bare minimum of what they're told to.
Lanlaorn wrote: Meh, it's inconsistent even within the SM codex itself, e.g. las-plas Razorback is out but twin assault cannon razorback is still in, despite neither being supported.
There is a assault Cannon option in the box
No there isn't. Heavy bolter and Lascannon. That's it.
cuda1179 wrote: Well, that's just silly. So a dreadnought can only have a DCCW or missile launcher on the left arm, and a TL lascannon or assault cannon on the right? No more autocannons? No more Plasmacannon? No more TW heavy bolter?
Did that apply to razorbacks as well? I have TL assault cannons and las plas that are nervous.
Its in discussion. TL AssCan Razors are still a thing in the new codex. And as said, they've said use the Index if its missing from the Codex.
Dreadnoughts have Plasma Cannons in the box, its in the Venerable Dreadnought/Space Wolf Dreadnought kit and they all fit each other. Autocannons on the other hand have been phased out of the Codex but are still legal through the Index. However, they, TLHB and Heavy Flamers have always been FW exclusive pieces.
I was looking at the GK terminator/PA kits , and thinking you could build any generic HQ by kit bashing and painting with them. Looking at it that way a GMDK is not that far off.
ZombieDK wrote: You gonna love the gw double standard... a lot of things have been removed from the SM dex due to there not a model for it, like bike libby or Khan on a bike.
But the wd Will show us a guide to kit-bash a grand Master dreadknight.. so GK are allowed to get rules for models there are no miniature for, but SM are not
I now believe that the missing entries were from incompetence and not malice. I mean, look how fething big the SM codex has gotten. It's bigger then index imperium 1 only it has 5 less factions lol. I would wager they needed to cut some stuff to comply with some manufacturing constraint and they haphazardly cut what is missing. Either way we will find out in about a week with chaos and grey knights release.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: They was a GK novel that had a GK Chaplain I'm sure. He had Nemesis Lightning Claws.
L0adedDice wrote: The suspense is killing me. Released in just over a week, and still very few spoilers.
GW is doing a good job on only leaking things they want leaked.
I have a bunch of new boxes, but waiting on the codex to be officially released before committing to gluing on my weapon options.
Well, they started giving leakers free stuff on the condition that they don't leak... so yeah it worked!
L0adedDice wrote: The suspense is killing me. Released in just over a week, and still very few spoilers.
GW is doing a good job on only leaking things they want leaked.
I have a bunch of new boxes, but waiting on the codex to be officially released before committing to gluing on my weapon options.
Well, they started giving leakers free stuff on the condition that they don't leak... so yeah it worked!
L0adedDice wrote: The suspense is killing me. Released in just over a week, and still very few spoilers.
GW is doing a good job on only leaking things they want leaked.
I have a bunch of new boxes, but waiting on the codex to be officially released before committing to gluing on my weapon options.
Well, they started giving leakers free stuff on the condition that they don't leak... so yeah it worked!
Well now, that is interesting. More fliers and some interesting psychic abilities and strategems. No new models, but new to us, and new in how we use them. I can live with that.
cuda1179 wrote: Well now, that is interesting. More fliers and some interesting psychic abilities and strategems. No new models, but new to us, and new in how we use them. I can live with that.
I know, right? A codex-only release (again...), but with more stuff to choose from and more models to use. Very nice.
cuda1179 wrote: Well now, that is interesting. More fliers and some interesting psychic abilities and strategems. No new models, but new to us, and new in how we use them. I can live with that.
I know, right? A codex-only release (again...), but with more stuff to choose from and more models to use. Very nice.
I almost stopped using my all-Grey Knights list in 7th edition. my usual opponent would bring a couple HelDrakes and flame the heck out of me, with little I could do to prevent it. Happy to get the air support.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Well hot damn, that is a cool addition. Hopefully the other Stormraven only army, the Blood Angels, will be getting access to at least the Stormhawk.
Well i guess its fair considering all the other marines chapters kinda stole the storm raven from the Blood angels and grey knights.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Well hot damn, that is a cool addition. Hopefully the other Stormraven only army, the Blood Angels, will be getting access to at least the Stormhawk.
Well i guess its fair considering all the other marines chapters kinda stole the storm raven from the Blood angels and grey knights.
And now we are stealing their Stormtalons and Stormhawks in return!
I have an unbuilt Stormtalon, I am kinda hoping it will be able to be painted Blood Angels red instead of Crimson Fists blue. I suppose there is Secret Option #3, paint it Grey Knights silver!
cuda1179 wrote: Well now, that is interesting. More fliers and some interesting psychic abilities and strategems. No new models, but new to us, and new in how we use them. I can live with that.
I know, right? A codex-only release (again...), but with more stuff to choose from and more models to use. Very nice.
cross fingers, maybe we'll get predators and the rest of the Space Marine armory too.
cuda1179 wrote: Well now, that is interesting. More fliers and some interesting psychic abilities and strategems. No new models, but new to us, and new in how we use them. I can live with that.
I know, right? A codex-only release (again...), but with more stuff to choose from and more models to use. Very nice.
cross fingers, maybe we'll get predators and the rest of the Space Marine armory too.
I am not counting on that. It doesn't really fit the Grey Knights. Besides, why get Predators when you can get Stormravens?
cuda1179 wrote: Well now, that is interesting. More fliers and some interesting psychic abilities and strategems. No new models, but new to us, and new in how we use them. I can live with that.
I know, right? A codex-only release (again...), but with more stuff to choose from and more models to use. Very nice.
cross fingers, maybe we'll get predators and the rest of the Space Marine armory too.
I am not counting on that. It doesn't really fit the Grey Knights. Besides, why get Predators when you can get Stormravens?
Maybe on the other hand the stormtalon and stormhawk mark an end to GW's instance on "THE ONLY VEHICLES THEY CAN HAVE ARE TRANSPORTS"
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: I just hope Crowe gets something besides a CCW that does nothing.
Well, thats part of his fluff. He uses the sword, powerfull as a Chaos God, as just a normal sword. He should compensate with his rules, but the sword should remain just a normal CCW.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: I just hope Crowe gets something besides a CCW that does nothing.
He wont umless they seriously overturn his fluff. His sword is uber powerful. As powerful as Drachnyen. Powerful enough to corrupt even the inccoruptible of the incorruptible. Powerful enough to move on its own and old enough to have a grudge with the first Bloodletter ever made (Skulltaker).
If Crowe were to use any of its supernatural abilities it would corrupt, possess and overpower him with ease. As long as he doesnt its a normal sword the same way a combat knife or normal sword is.
That said, he should get some rule to help penetrate armour and represent his incredible dueling prowess. In 5th Ed, he got the choice between Rerolling to Hit, Attack all enemies in base contact once each or rerolling saves, the choice made each turn. He also had his suicide ability to remove anything that killed him with a 2D6 roll of 10 or less. He also had rending on all attacks, that went on a 4+, but granted enemy units Furious Charge and Hatred when charged.
In 7th he got to use both stances simultaneously, so he could reroll savess, and had the Smash rule, so was always was AP2 and could do a single attack at Str x2. He didnt have the good instantgibb, just a "strike back even if killed rule" which rarely happened as he was Int 6.
I'm guessing something in the middle would be appropriate. He gets to pick between rerolling saves, rerolling wounds, or AP2. He always gets to fight even if killed beforehand.
It's conjecture based on the fact that the only Terminator Chaplain model they used was the limited Chaplain. If they wanted to convert at chaplain, why wouldn't they convert one from a model they actually sell?
casvalremdeikun wrote: It's conjecture based on the fact that the only Terminator Chaplain model they used was the limited Chaplain. If they wanted to convert at chaplain, why wouldn't they convert one from a model they actually sell?
Because if they did that it would actually be hard to convert. Putting GK shoulderpads on metal models isn't really doable.
Galas wrote: Nephilim jet figther for the win. The only space marine flyer that isn't a brick!
The Corvus Blackstar would like to have a word.
But I agree, the Nephilim does look fantastic. Too bad it has Dark Angels symbols for wings, because I would put that sucker in my BA in a heartbeat.
Um.... You do know it just has feathered wing symbols on the wings right? you know, that theme that follows every imperial army...
Also Covus Blackstar may not be a brick but it's totally in the running for land scaping block of the year.
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casvalremdeikun wrote: It's conjecture based on the fact that the only Terminator Chaplain model they used was the limited Chaplain. If they wanted to convert at chaplain, why wouldn't they convert one from a model they actually sell?
Your applying logic to a company that also removed twin autocanons as a option from the VERY SAME book do to the limitations provided from the stock kit.
It's almost funny how large the balls actually are on GW
Anyone able to catch the Terminator point values in any of these previews?
Looking at WinterSEO's, it's blurry but it looks like they actually went UP in points to 46...? That would just be absurd, especially after they lowered SM Terminator costs.
Lanlaorn wrote: Anyone able to catch the Terminator point values in any of these previews?
Looking at WinterSEO's, it's blurry but it looks like they actually went UP in points to 46...? That would just be absurd, especially after they lowered SM Terminator costs.
Spartacus wrote: Paladins didn't go down they are the same. Some people are getting confused because the battlescribe entry includes the price of the stormbolter.
Battlescribe =/= The rules
I already felt like you should always buy Paladins over Terminators. With the increase in cost it only put another nail in the coffin. I'd love to see how they justify increasing the cost after dropping the cost for space marines. Then again GW continually disappoints in every aspect of balancing this game.
Spartacus wrote: Paladins didn't go down they are the same. Some people are getting confused because the battlescribe entry includes the price of the stormbolter.
Battlescribe =/= The rules
I already felt like you should always buy Paladins over Terminators. With the increase in cost it only put another nail in the coffin. I'd love to see how they justify increasing the cost after dropping the cost for space marines. Then again GW continually disappoints in every aspect of balancing this game.
Has is been 100% confirmed that Terminators are going up? Perhaps Paladins will become Lieutenant style characters or be limited to squads of 3-5. Or Terminators in GK are marketly better than SM Terminators (extra WS+BS, special rules, grenades?)
It's hard to read in the still images of reviewer's videos (they tend to focus on the new stuff, strategems, relics, etc. while flipping through the old stuff quickly) but it looks like Terminators are exactly the same stats but a couple points more expensive.
Also, again blurry images so can't be certain, but it looks like our special weapons are still terrible as well.
They seem committed to balance so they may fix it at some point, but at the moment they seem oblivious to a lot of mathematical disparities in the game.
Want to really see the bargain? Think of it as paying 30 pts to give a Grand Master a NDK suit (+3"M +2S +2T +6W) and the ability to take the "heavy" weapons (ranged and CC).
Nemo84 wrote: But it does turn him into a massive target instead of a Character which is easily hidden behind other units.
as he is a character isent it so you cant target him if he is not the closest model? or does it change if he's wearing that dreadknight armour and he's suddenly towwering above normal units.
Nemo84 wrote: But it does turn him into a massive target instead of a Character which is easily hidden behind other units.
as he is a character isent it so you cant target him if he is not the closest model? or does it change if he's wearing that dreadknight armour and he's suddenly towwering above normal units.
They lose that ability if they have over 9 wounds.
Nope everything else is identical to the index, aside from the twin heavy plasma cannon on the Stormraven which almost doubled in price for some reason???
Chaplain comes in at 144 points base plus storm bolter. Crozius arcanum is free.
Well, strategems and gear are new adds from what I understand. That said I'm just glad they didn't bump costs anywhere. I could do with a 1-2pt cut on strikes and termies but points staying the same and falcions/psilencers not going up makes me mostly happy. Lack of a sub-100 hq does hurt though.
Is that limited plastic terminator chaplain featured a lot in the codex? Or is there only one picture of him?
I was wondering if they are showing him in the new codex, do you think they will release that model fully? Really hope so. It was quite difficult to get a hold of wasn't it?
Re-doing my custom chaplain to primaris size and the terminators weapon is beyond perfect for it, exactly the way the chaplain on my tattoo holds it.
He is featured in most of the 'Army Display' shots, and then once more in the showcase images labelled as 'converted Chaplain'.
This picture alongside 2 other converted heros is given the side note: "These Grey Knight Warriors have been built using characters from the Space Marines range of Citadel Miniatures"
Read into that however you like, but I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Does anyone else have chaos pages in their codex? Starting on page 81 it switches from the dreadnaught to Kharn the Betrayer, then has 13 or 14 pages of chaos ending with a page that says "Scions of Chaos" then the next page is page 89 with the Grey Knights flyers. I'm actually missing Interceptors and some other units on the pages between 82-88.
Zarroc1733 wrote: Does anyone else have chaos pages in their codex? Starting on page 81 it switches from the dreadnaught to Kharn the Betrayer, then has 13 or 14 pages of chaos ending with a page that says "Scions of Chaos" then the next page is page 89 with the Grey Knights flyers. I'm actually missing Interceptors and some other units on the pages between 82-88.
Anyone else have this issue?
Wow. That's crazy. Did you get in touch with GW Customer Service?
Zarroc1733 wrote: Does anyone else have chaos pages in their codex? Starting on page 81 it switches from the dreadnaught to Kharn the Betrayer, then has 13 or 14 pages of chaos ending with a page that says "Scions of Chaos" then the next page is page 89 with the Grey Knights flyers. I'm actually missing Interceptors and some other units on the pages between 82-88.
Anyone else have this issue?
Wow. That's crazy. Did you get in touch with GW Customer Service?
Haven't had a chance yet. They were closed when I realized and I have work today.
Zarroc1733 wrote: Does anyone else have chaos pages in their codex? Starting on page 81 it switches from the dreadnaught to Kharn the Betrayer, then has 13 or 14 pages of chaos ending with a page that says "Scions of Chaos" then the next page is page 89 with the Grey Knights flyers. I'm actually missing Interceptors and some other units on the pages between 82-88.
Zarroc1733 wrote: Does anyone else have chaos pages in their codex? Starting on page 81 it switches from the dreadnaught to Kharn the Betrayer, then has 13 or 14 pages of chaos ending with a page that says "Scions of Chaos" then the next page is page 89 with the Grey Knights flyers. I'm actually missing Interceptors and some other units on the pages between 82-88.
as we like.
Ahem...
