Because I couldn't find one...

And because they're still putting out a lot of VERY nice miniatures for this game...

Here we go!

(Sure, some of these may be a bit old but...they're new to me - and probably to you too! )

HADROSS






I didn't get Hadross during the Kickstarter, but I'll be picking them up now!

TEKNES







I did get Teknes during the KS - and I will continue to do so!

GORITSI






Same here - love the Goritsi!

Especially the Alpha and the Mesmer box!

NASIER





Didn't really like Nasier when I first saw them, and I still don't!

Some nice looking miniatures in their stuff, no doubt, just not for me.

SHAEL HAN






I kind of liked Shael Han during the KS, but the budget demanded someone get cut, and they were it.

But now? Especially with these releases? And especially the Celestial Host?!?

I'm in!

Now, if only CMON could solve that pesky distribution problem...

Hadross characters box 3 look very nice. May have to back this.

The first two Hadross units look like must-buys to me, The Celestial court depends on price. The Celestial guardians, I'll probably buy for the one amazing lion and tolerate the fugly lion.

I like the Chinese Buddhists.
What the heck is going on with the Goritsi aesthetic? Werewolves and cheesecake Muslims?

Every faction has cheesecake.

Goritsi is the Underworld fan's faction.

*Shakes fist at CMON*

Why do they keep showing me awesome minis that are virtually impossible to get on this side of the Atlantic?

 aku-chan wrote:
*Shakes fist at CMON*

Why do they keep showing me awesome minis that are virtually impossible to get on this side of the Atlantic?

Not much easier to get over here. They really need to do a Kickstarter to get better availability.

Don't forget the awesome characters that Shael Han got in the new book!



I really wish CMON would get off their asses and support this game more.

All minis shown so far are available now via CMON's store, but...that's a bit of a dice roll in of itself these days.

I placed an order on 8/25 for all 'in stock' items.

It didn't ship until 9/12.

It didn't arrive until 9/17.

Anyway...

CMON must:

1) Have burned a lot of distributors/retailers in the past
2) Offer awful 'deals' to distributors/retailers now
3) Want to keep distribution in house
4) Wants to cut out the middle man and (almost) only run/prioritize KS
4) Any/all of the above, mix and match

It is ridiculously hard to get WoK or Dark Age stuff in a gamestore, local or online.

CMON's biggest problem in getting WoK and Dark Age out to more people and growing both games is apparently...CMON.

I went all in on the KS but I can't bring myself to pay boutique resin prices for post-KS releases.

https://shop.battlefield-berlin.de carries it in the EU tho!

My FLGS has about two dozen wave 1 boxes still on the shelf, moving slower than a cheese platter through a retirement community. When I ordered in some Shael Han items, it took months and one of the boxes was the wrong item. WoK is a money-loser for the FLGS.

I think Element Games in the UK are going to start stocking WoK and Dark Age stuff:

http://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures/fantasy-miniatures-games/wrath-of-kings

http://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures/fantasy-miniatures-games/dark-age

CMON seem to have sorted out a UK distributor, but I think it's still early days. I've got a load of Teknes stuff which I got from ebay that I haven't even glued together yet because the player base seems almost non-existent at the moment.

Thanks for putting this together Alph. I stumble into the CMON shop every so often - thanks Dark Age! - and have been really impressed with the later waves of WOK stuff. Found this dude yesterday:



Hadross has probably some of the most useful stuff IMO (for Kings of War's Trident Realms line ), though I do love those Goritsi wolves, even with all the steampunk backpacks going on

That tiger man tho!

- Salvage

cmon is so bizarre. they go to all of the trouble to make these great minis and then go to just as much trouble to make them hard to find.
i think they were neglected as children and just hate to give up their toys.
i really like this game and there is so much in this thread that i wasnt even aware that existed.

thanks aleph!

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
cmon is so bizarre. they go to all of the trouble to make these great minis and then go to just as much trouble to make them hard to find.

I'm sure it was no trouble at all to make them hard to find.

Though, to Wrath of Kings' credit, I have actually seen it available places. Dark Ages, however, I'm convinced is some imagined prank of a kid with a copy of Photoshop, too much time, and too little love from his parents.

richstrach wrote:
I think Element Games in the UK are going to start stocking WoK and Dark Age stuff:

http://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures/fantasy-miniatures-games/wrath-of-kings

http://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures/fantasy-miniatures-games/dark-age

CMON seem to have sorted out a UK distributor, but I think it's still early days. I've got a load of Teknes stuff which I got from ebay that I haven't even glued together yet because the player base seems almost non-existent at the moment.

The minis look great, and Element Games are right near the top of my preferred retailer list, so this is great news. Not sure I've got space for another game right now, but I'll be looking long and hard at the range for possible proxies or just becauses.

Wrath of kings is such a great game... it's too bad releases are sooo slow. Just ordered all the hadross stuff. The character pack was delayed months.

Still waiting on the Sharl Han tiger character pack.

It used to be easy to find (even new models) wok on ebay, miniature market, and many other online retailers. It appears they don't or can't get anymore of the new wok models.

Still a great game.

I agree with Azrael13, if ElementGames start to selling this stuff, I can see myself buying a bunch of very cool minis, but the 100% are gonna be "count-as" for other systems (Just like my Mierce stuff)

Anyone know of a Canadian retailer that is carrying or planning to carry the releases? All the current ones have only old releases or have been out of stock for ages. I don't mind ordering from cmon directly but for some reason every order from them get hits by customs fees (the only place that does oddly).

 KillusMaximus wrote:
Anyone know of a Canadian retailer that is carrying or planning to carry the releases? All the current ones have only old releases or have been out of stock for ages. I don't mind ordering from cmon directly but for some reason every order from them get hits by customs fees (the only place that does oddly).

Try Meeple Mart!

http://www.meeplemart.com/store/c/2510-Wrath-of-Kings-2510.aspx

There are times when - because of the exchange rate - I wish they'd ship to the USA.

But they don't.

I'm in the same boat as many here. I'd love to get my hands on more WoK minis, but the combo of "hard to find at retail" and "boutique resin prices for PVC minis" means I haven't bought anything since the Kickstarter.

Damn, those are some really good looking models! Now this is how you make an impact on a niche market.

Also very impressed with the ideas of some of them. The Shellcrackers, way cool!

 Alpharius wrote:

 KillusMaximus wrote:
Anyone know of a Canadian retailer that is carrying or planning to carry the releases? All the current ones have only old releases or have been out of stock for ages. I don't mind ordering from cmon directly but for some reason every order from them get hits by customs fees (the only place that does oddly).

Try Meeple Mart!

http://www.meeplemart.com/store/c/2510-Wrath-of-Kings-2510.aspx

There are times when - because of the exchange rate - I wish they'd ship to the USA.

But they don't.

Yeah Meeplemart is great but they are if the afore mentioned stores that do not have new releases and have been out if stock of most WoK stuff for ages.

Might try seeking a uk store.

Let me add to the echo chamber of frustration with this game.

I absolutely adore the models, even the factions I don't have any interest in collecting. They're all very imaginative and unique, and the material holds detail well enough.

Hadross releases have especially been great this past batch, and like many I can envision quite a lot of other uses for them outside of WoK proper.

At this point if they aren't going to bother getting serious with supporting this game, maybe they'll just do another kickstarter?

If their two current tabletop games are having a hard time finding support, it certainly doesn't bode well for their Game of Thrones game when the time comes...

I was initially hopefull when Element Games put up the new stuff as not in stock but coming soon,

but as the weeks keep going by with nothing showing up it begins to look more and more like whoever are distributing it to them are as useless as the previous one

and I wonder how long it will be before they give up on it again?

I wonder if they only make the minis in between their KS projects runs, and there's only space after a KS has basically failed to do as well as expected ?

That might explain why restocks make the early days of Xwing look like a time of plenty

 455_PWR wrote:
Wrath of kings is such a great game... it's too bad releases are sooo slow. Just ordered all the hadross stuff. The character pack was delayed months.

Still waiting on the Sharl Han tiger character pack.

It used to be easy to find (even new models) wok on ebay, miniature market, and many other online retailers. It appears they don't or can't get anymore of the new wok models.

Still a great game.

I think CMoN going all GW with max discounts allowable has hurt the distribution network too. More shops might carry it if they could discount it enough to get an initial surge of patrons to purchase into the game.

WoK is a game that really needs the discounts, too. Too many of the boxes come with some great models and some poor models but are priced like every model is amazing. Makes it hard to justify a purchase.

Are the rules for this game any good?
And for Dark Age?

I think the biggest problem with these wargames is that they are very difficult to find in retail, especially on the brick and mortar store shelves... I saw both of these games in a shop a week ago, and I was amazed by this fact.

I love the minis, but the prices are too steep for an unpopular game. about 65 pounds for the starter and the same goes for faction starter sets - that`s waaaay to much, especialy when there is malifaux and 40k on the next shelves providing more minis for a smaller price (Get Started, crew boxes) + they are 1000 times more popular, so you might actualy find someone to play with other, than a single local enthusiast.

Edit: Kickstarter`s not a way to go for a wargame,unless its it`s first appearance, or the company is small. It won`t stick to the player base. Infinity is as big as it is not because of KS, but because they put minis into retail shops, so people see their stuff, and because they did hard work forming a community of dedicated players withh all the tourneys and campaigns. But here we have CMON.

I'm a rookie in terms of WoK, but the rules for Dark Age are great - a really good, fun skirmish scale game.

Yes, there are a lot of status effects to keep track of, but it isn't difficult, and usually different builds won't have *too* many at their disposal...

Good lookin' minis. Like most games, I'd get them if you like them - I don't see this game long for the market.

Not sure about that.

I mean, its been around for about 4 years now, and is getting semi-regular releases.

CMON wants to make it work, so they'll certainly keep at it.

But sure, why not - if you want them, best to buy them when you can!

It's been around several years already, but their distribution woes have really hobbled it.

I'm extremely lucky in that one of the FLGS near me carries WoK and has a huge selection. They used to carry Dark Age as well but clearanced off all their stock before CMON revamped most of the models.

But they appear to have a good deal with CMON since they get new WoK stuff when it's actually still new and got like 6 copies Massive Darkness w/ all the KS stretch goals which is apparently a thing they do with some retailers?

But WoK is an outstanding game - probably my favorite wargame currently - I really encourage folks to give it a shot. It's so simple and can be played with anything from a handful of models up to like 50+. Plus all the rules are 100% free. It's a perfect secondary game. And aesthetically I can't think of anyone else that's doing what they're doing.

EDIT: Here's a crappy photo of the Patrol-sized Teknes force I painted up to take to the NOVA Patrol tournament last month. This game size can be between 8-16 models:

Is there a good online review of the game somewhere? I'm looking for a skirmish game to get my kids into, they enjoy Z:BP and I want to introduce them to gaming without a board. I was thinking of LotR but if WoK has rules they can grasp I know they'd enjoy the models more.

CMON has the rules for free online. They're only about the first 20 pages.

Prestor Jon wrote:
Is there a good online review of the game somewhere? I'm looking for a skirmish game to get my kids into, they enjoy Z:BP and I want to introduce them to gaming without a board. I was thinking of LotR but if WoK has rules they can grasp I know they'd enjoy the models more.

How old are your kids? WoK has some rather scantily clad models in it (exhibits A, B, and C). Not saying you should have a problem with models like that, but I know some parents can be sensitive to such things when it comes to what they expose their children to. But at any rate, I seem to remember WoK having the full rulebook available as a PDF on their website.

Prestor Jon wrote:
Is there a good online review of the game somewhere? I'm looking for a skirmish game to get my kids into, they enjoy Z:BP and I want to introduce them to gaming without a board. I was thinking of LotR but if WoK has rules they can grasp I know they'd enjoy the models more.

Totally your call as their Dad, and no idea what your kids ages are, but just an FYI that there are a lot of all but naked and heavily sexualized models in the Nasier faction.

Please pm me all messages about how I am an evil person that represses women, am a prude, they see worse at school etc. so this thread doesn't devolve into a mess.

Hopefully someone at C'mon is reading this thread full of people who want to buy the models, but can't for various reasons and they do something about it.

Edit: Ninja'd

Dr_Keenbean wrote:It's been around several years already, but their distribution woes have really hobbled it.

I'm extremely lucky in that one of the FLGS near me carries WoK and has a huge selection. They used to carry Dark Age as well but clearanced off all their stock before CMON revamped most of the models.

But they appear to have a good deal with CMON since they get new WoK stuff when it's actually still new and got like 6 copies Massive Darkness w/ all the KS stretch goals which is apparently a thing they do with some retailers?

But WoK is an outstanding game - probably my favorite wargame currently - I really encourage folks to give it a shot. It's so simple and can be played with anything from a handful of models up to like 50+. Plus all the rules are 100% free. It's a perfect secondary game. And aesthetically I can't think of anyone else that's doing what they're doing.

EDIT: Here's a crappy photo of the Patrol-sized Teknes force I painted up to take to the NOVA Patrol tournament last month. This game size can be between 8-16 models:

Spoiler:

Nice looking stuff there! Well done!

Prestor Jon wrote:Is there a good online review of the game somewhere? I'm looking for a skirmish game to get my kids into, they enjoy Z:BP and I want to introduce them to gaming without a board. I was thinking of LotR but if WoK has rules they can grasp I know they'd enjoy the models more.

There are a lot of video battle reports on YouTube for you to watch as well...

 Sqorgar wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:
Is there a good online review of the game somewhere? I'm looking for a skirmish game to get my kids into, they enjoy Z:BP and I want to introduce them to gaming without a board. I was thinking of LotR but if WoK has rules they can grasp I know they'd enjoy the models more.

How old are your kids? WoK has some rather scantily clad models in it (exhibits A, B, and C). Not saying you should have a problem with models like that, but I know some parents can be sensitive to such things when it comes to what they expose their children to. But at any rate, I seem to remember WoK having the full rulebook available as a PDF on their website.

Well at least they all have realistic body proportions

 Sqorgar wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:
Is there a good online review of the game somewhere? I'm looking for a skirmish game to get my kids into, they enjoy Z:BP and I want to introduce them to gaming without a board. I was thinking of LotR but if WoK has rules they can grasp I know they'd enjoy the models more.

How old are your kids? WoK has some rather scantily clad models in it (exhibits A, B, and C). Not saying you should have a problem with models like that, but I know some parents can be sensitive to such things when it comes to what they expose their children to. But at any rate, I seem to remember WoK having the full rulebook available as a PDF on their website.

I was going to pick the factions for them, likely being Teknes vs Hadross so it can be pig people vs fish people with some interesting characters. I have a ton of human models I can proxy for other games/rulesets but the anthropomorphic models in WoK would grab the kids' interest more and I think they'd be fun to paint.

There's also Goritsi with the werewolves. They are rank 2 infantry so you need fewer of them and they are a good bit larger than a lot of the other infantry so they could be easier to paint.

Shame you're not in the DC area. I've been itching to run demos for people.

Leodis Games in the UK is getting regular stock as well actually:

www.leodisgames.com

Right, after reading this thread I really must paint my Teknes stuff ...

hope this isnt too old to post but has anyone figured out why this game is being supported so terribly?
i wonder how much longer its going to live?

i was cruising the net and came across several items i have never even heard of... where did these come from?
teknes hate forged titan
hadross immanid kraken
goritsi moonclave executioners
and several new character boxes including a pretty awesome catman and fish folk

what a shame to have to stumble upon stuff for a game i like.

I wish I knew the answer to that...

It is a shame, how poorly CMON is treating this property.

But then, they barely do better with DARK AGE, which is, presumably, their flagship Miniature game too...

Who knows?

Some of it may come down to the fact that CMON doesn't appear to make a lot of money on traditional miniature based wargames?

But then, CMON might not be making a lot of money on traditional miniature based wargames due to how poorly they are promoting/distributing/marketing/selling them too...

Who knows?

they've got a facebook page which does tend to get updates occasionally

https://www.facebook.com/wrathofkings/

(the latest was to say there had been yet another 'the factory didn't send what we'd asked for' incident which is going to mess up the CMON CyberMonday sale deliveries)

and an official site which tends to show the (theoretical) release of new stuff

http://wrathofkings.com/ks/

but I fear the failed relaunch of v2.0 with the new book (another factory didn't send stuff issue which meant even US stores didn't get stuff for 6 months + after it was meant to be out so most people had given up on it) means the game is kind of on life support

it also got really heavily marked down in the recent cybermonday sale (unlike dark age) which isn't encouraging

they also seem unable to get it into distribution over here in the UK, every new group they hand the line to fails to deliver (even when stock is available in the US), it's frustrating although somebody posted a UK store which did have at least some of the newer stuff in recently

2.0...?
ugh, hadnt heard that one.
any idea of the changes?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Who knows?

they've got a facebook page which does tend to get updates occasionally

https://www.facebook.com/wrathofkings/

(the latest was to say there had been yet another 'the factory didn't send what we'd asked for' incident which is going to mess up the CMON CyberMonday sale deliveries)

and an official site which tends to show the (theoretical) release of new stuff

http://wrathofkings.com/ks/

but I fear the failed relaunch of v2.0 with the new book (another factory didn't send stuff issue which meant even US stores didn't get stuff for 6 months + after it was meant to be out so most people had given up on it) means the game is kind of on life support

it also got really heavily marked down in the recent cybermonday sale (unlike dark age) which isn't encouraging

they also seem unable to get it into distribution over here in the UK, every new group they hand the line to fails to deliver (even when stock is available in the US), it's frustrating although somebody posted a UK store which did have at least some of the newer stuff in recently

The message that came out throughout the A Song of Ice and Fire kickstarter campaign was that CMON are going all in when it comes to promotion/organization/distribution of that game, not just in US. Apparently setting up a dedicated European distribution hub so that this doesn't face similar issues. Considering the sheer breadth of releases they have planned for this system they kinda need to push it outside the US as much as possible and presumably have a more receptive market considering the source material.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
2.0...?
ugh, hadnt heard that one.
any idea of the changes?

I've not got the book because all of the issues getting anything over here (ordered it in the CMON sale so some time in the new year from the sound of it), but it's more evolution than revolution from the sound if it with the story moving on too. I think the most major overhaul was motivations as the writers thought many of them were unbalanced

all the changes (I think) made it into the downloads dection of the main site http://wrathofkings.com/ks/ so unless you need a print copy the new book isn't required unless you want to read the background in it

Any pics of these:

i was cruising the net and came across several items i have never even heard of... where did these come from?
teknes hate forged titan
hadross immanid kraken
goritsi moonclave executioners
and several new character boxes including a pretty awesome catman and fish folk

would be appreciated!

Though some are here:

NEW WRATH OF KINGS RELEASES NOW AVAILABLE
November 17th, 2017

Within each house, there’s the elite of the elite. They’re those regiments of soldiers that go above and beyond in training and equipment. When they hit the field, the enemy trembles. Nobody wants to see them across the battle lines. This month’s releases for Wrath of Kings gives House Goritsi and House Nasir each one of these elite units.



First, there’s the House Goritsi Gotha Knights. They are the most honorable soldiers dedicated to House Goritsi, these monstrous warriors bring a new stalwart refusal to yield against any number of foes. Once the werewolves dig in their clawed feet, their deathcleavers bring a swift demise to those who test them. While much of House Goritsi is used to hit-and-run tactics, the Gotha Knights are more hit-and-hit-again unit. They’re the bullies of the battlefield, wading into enemy forces and taking them out with extreme prejudice.




So, what can possibly stand up to them? Well, House Nasir would say that their Firehawk Reavers could do the job. Dedicated assault specialists, Firehawks turn in their duelist’s blades for deadly war tridents to become the spearhead of House Nasier offensives. While they might appear slow, they can jump into action at a moment’s notice. They excel at moving from unit to unit, doing damage to the enemy forces. Their efficiency comes from their Raid Leader’s ability to negate enemy special defenses.

These two units are ready to take up their House’s banner and head to the battlefield. Neither one is willing to yield, and so when they reach the enemy lines, you know something’s about to break.

from meeplemart... http://www.meeplemart.com/store/c/2510-Wrath-of-Kings-2510.aspx
these are the ones that caught my eye...

Ah, some of those things have made appearances in this thread - but it is good to see them again!

Of course, seeing them for sale in shops - or even online - would be even better!

And thanks for the pics!

boy youre right alpharius... i think im running out of memory power =P

I'm so sad this game basically died due to lack of support. It's a pretty spectacular game. The kickstarter actually got a community started here in MN but it's basically me and like 2 other dudes who just love this now instead of the initial 6-10 man tournaments we had. I still pick up a box of each release for teknes and shael-han because I love the models but I've long since given up hope this game will grow like it originally had the potential too.

Wow, I might have to pick up that Teknes Hate Forged Titan from their webstore (where it appears to be in stock). Really impressive!

https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/teknes-hate-forged-titan.html

Loving that Kraken, too

Yes, it saddens me as well that this game appears to be fading. Wonderful game design, IMO, and the models are mostly great. I backed the KS for most things and recently picked up a bunch of the newer stuff in the recent CMON sale. Even if the game officially dies at some point I'll have plenty enough to still play (which I will) with armies for others to play against me, too.

Yeah, I still have all of the KS stuff for everyone except Hadross (Sold them). I only buy the really pretty stuff for Nasier and Goritsi now. But I buy pretty much everything for Teknes and Shael-Han.

But yeah, I'll be able to play with a couple of friends forever but it's sad to see such a great game not reach anywhere near it's potential.

Same, I went all in on the KS, they delivered great minis and gameplay, but then... nothing. A few pricey resin releases basically to their webstore only. No presence anywhere. It's a shame.

I've been painting Shael Han and Nasier stuff these past couple of weeks and it's really making me want to actually try playing the game.

Sadly models from every faction have gotten use in other games, except the one they are intended for.

And if my Black Friday stuff would just show up...

Does anyone know if the 2nd book has any fluff stuff like the first one did?

I believe it is *mostly* fluff!

How is the fluff? Is it fun or campy? Dark or excessive?

The fluff is great and revolves around a jellyfish trying to get laid.

It's better than I make it sound, trust me.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The fluff is great and revolves around a jellyfish trying to get laid.

God I wish people would stop rehashing the same old stories over and over ...

Sounds like something Bob would ‘joke’ about as a matter of course!

Bad news: my ‘sources’ are telling me that WoK is pretty much ‘dead’, barring some kind of miracle... :’(

 Alpharius wrote:
Sounds like something Bob would ‘joke’ about as a matter of course!

Bad news: my ‘sources’ are telling me that WoK is pretty much ‘dead’, barring some kind of miracle... :’(

Not shocking considering how they started it. A little sad that running down the last few sets might not be to easy.


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Also considering the sale their currently having for everything that isn't already out I think it supports that. I flushed out all the non-KS releases for Nasier, Teknes, and Shael-han for $150 just now. I guess though this amount of stuff and a full game with 3+ armies to choose from for whoever I can get to play with me is reasonable for less than I have spent on a single 40k army is reasonable.

I read on the CMON Wrath of Kings forums, which doesn't get a lot of traffic, that the guy who is in charge of WoK has stuff planned for 2018... Pretty vague but makes me hopeful.

There are still a couple units from book 2 that haven't been releases yet. I hope they at least do those units... The White mane duelist, is a female werewolf specialist. And there is a Nasier unit that is a female with a guard dog beast thing.

I am kind of debating on getting everything for the factions I don't have... if they don't make more after the current stock is cleared out, I will be disappointed if I don't get a chance again to buy them.

The game itself is fun. I have only played 3 times... but the game was fast and once I got some of the basic combo/tactics it actually was pretty interesting. In the Smaller games the big beast units like the Mighty Taur were pretty scary... And its not really a Leader can take on whole units game like some other games...

I really like the Goritsi were-wolf/vampire theme. I also ordered a bunch of stuff on the CMON cyber Monday sale... and shipping says it will be here tomorrow!

I'm hoping it stays alive. No one around here is interested in playing, but I do love the models.

 Alpharius wrote:
Sounds like something Bob would ‘joke’ about as a matter of course!

Bad news: my ‘sources’ are telling me that WoK is pretty much ‘dead’, barring some kind of miracle... :’(

Yeah, I don't see a problem working blue. And the fluff probably isn't 'worse' in that regard than a lot of mainstream sci fi, although I have yet to read it so may be setting myself up for a blush.

It's kind of a shame the game is dead. Half the designs per box seem really good, and people talk highly of the fluff and the rules. However, I'm not sure how CMON expected the game to thrive when it was so hard to find in a store, so expensive, and half of the sculpts were ...uninspiring.

After reading this thread I went to look at the WoK facebook site...

Saw This:

"
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT ....

So, there was a major shipping mishap with the container(s) that were bringing some of our Wrath of Kings releases to our warehouse in Alpharetta, Georgie from the fabricators in China. This is what caused so much oddity with the schedule of releases, and why we believed there was certain products in the warehouse when there was not.

This situation came very much to light during the initial days of the awesome Cyber Monday webstore sale, and has since been corrected. We are waiting on the return of the products from China now, and as soon as they arrive we will make sure they get posted up for sale and that we will make the proper announcement here.

Sorry again for the miscommunication, and we hope you guys understand that we want you to have this product *almost* as much as you want it!

Cheers all,
The Wrath of Kings team"

Wonder if my order arriving tomorrow will actually have my WoK stuff in it...

I placed two orders and have received no shipping notice at all. So, if you got a shipping notice, it probably means there is a package.


Or they let Neal from TWS mess with their computers.

The shipping issue was only for the newest releases, I believe (the Goritsi Gotha Knights and the Nasier Firehawks). There were guys on FB that reported paying for one or both of those and them not being in their shipment once they received it. I haven't heard of anyone not getting any other WoK items they recently ordered.

The Goritsi Gotha Knights were in my order. Guess I'll see tomorrow.

Probably a new Kickstarter for the game next year .

If it meant they'd keep supporting it I'd support another kickstarter. Honestly it's by far and away my favorite non-gw game. So fingers crossed it isn't totally dead but selling everything but brand new releases for 70% off seems like it could be.

 Hulksmash wrote:
If it meant they'd keep supporting it I'd support another kickstarter. Honestly it's by far and away my favorite non-gw game. So fingers crossed it isn't totally dead but selling everything but brand new releases for 70% off seems like it could be.

Could also be a repackage clearance to rebrand the game. Not likely, but I can be hopeful.

I would be in for another Kickstarter. The first one was a good deal and I was well satisfied.

I'd be happy with another kickstarter.

Do a new book, a new quickstart two player starter set, maybe some shuffled up bundle deals of old stock, new sculpts... yeah....

I'd be happy if ANY of the Black Friday orders I made would start to see some movement.

I'd also be in for another Kickstarter. There's a lot they could do to revamp interest but I feel at this point CMON will focus most of its efforts on board games, and for miniature battle games only the upcoming GoT game will get any push (and even that may not be sustained, time will tell). We have to remember that CMON is an international company now, not just a few folks in Atlanta. They'll likely keep cashing in on the much more profitable board game market rather than putting forth effort to promote any battle/war games. I sometimes wonder if they even know HOW to promote such games, as it's a very different dynamic than board games.

Mark me down for being OK with another KS for this great game!

But yes, CMON is focusing on GoT and (hopefully) Dark Age.

Many other mini games appear to be getting short shrift...

Also, CMON is now (and has been for a bit) a publicly traded company, so that brings in a new set of pressures too.

Maybe I could be hopeful they're selling stuff at 70% off to get enough people out there bought in and generate some momentum...that's a thing right?

But id be fine with another kickstarter to renew interest and restart. Hopefully with a non messed up plan for the future

Package arrived! But no Gotha knights... :(

I ordered Gotha knights, they had 400+ in stock. I didn't get them and emailed cmon. They said they had the stock issue listed above and refunded me.

I believe the firehawks and Gotha knights will be restocked the end of the month. I also emailed cmon about the sale, game's future, etc. They said they have plans for wok and minis yet to come. The sale had to do with overstock (almost 1000 copies of each box set in stock). I'm assuming that had to do with their new policies, where pretty much no retailer can carry wok anymore, and it has to be purchased from cmon (why miniature market had a clearance sale montha ago).

Game is alive. I would believe "unnamed sources", esp when the cmon customer service team says otherwise. Glad as the game is fun!

So they refunded you without asking? I’d be telling them to send it separate when it comes in stock as the price was awesome. Glad it’s looking like a warehouse purge more than a fire sale.

My only concern is that while they had a showing at Nova they aren't doing anything for Adepticon where they had heavy presence the last 2 years.

The newest stuff wasn't on sale from what I remember so if it was just that that's missing it won't be a big issue if they do refunds

(except needing extra postage for a reorder, but waiting ages for a restock would probably be worse with the flat rate shipping)

Yeah, the Gotha were not on sale... so $35. Plus it will give me an excuse to maybe get some more stuff later on.

I do wish they would have let me know before the package arriving though. They had 2 opportunities. I called in to check on my order as I had not gotten a tracking email. Was told everything was fine, no issues with order.

Then I got an email sating order shipped. No mention of out of stock issues...

There's no Wrath of Kings events at Adepticon next year, that's worrying.

My patience wanes every moment I hear another person got a package.

I ordered one within the first few hours of the sale. I want mine!

the knackered website meant I didn't complete my order until pretty late in the day, and it's got to travel to the UK and get through customs

so I fear I won't see mine until well into the new year so i'm fairly relaxed

 455_PWR wrote:
I ordered Gotha knights, they had 400+ in stock. I didn't get them and emailed cmon. They said they had the stock issue listed above and refunded me.

I believe the firehawks and Gotha knights will be restocked the end of the month. I also emailed cmon about the sale, game's future, etc. They said they have plans for wok and minis yet to come. The sale had to do with overstock (almost 1000 copies of each box set in stock). I'm assuming that had to do with their new policies, where pretty much no retailer can carry wok anymore, and it has to be purchased from cmon (why miniature market had a clearance sale montha ago).

Game is alive. I would believe "unnamed sources", esp when the cmon customer service team says otherwise. Glad as the game is fun!

Yeah, well, my source is pretty good, but he's not perfect.

And I hope you're right, and he isn't!

So, some help please!

I went 'all in' on Teknes and Goritsi during the Kickstarter.

Are there any of those units that I should double up on, especially during this excellent sale?

Can't speak much for Goritsi Alp but I'd have at least 2 of the robot (so a second one if you got one). But if you have 18, 18 and 9 of the original 3 units (pigs/linemen/murder babies) you should be fine. Of the new units I think just single one of each would be enough. I can't see anything you'd need two of in the second wave. The good thing about Teknes is the entire second wave is actually out. Unlike Goritsi, Nasier, and Shael-han.

Why are they not allowing retailers to stock WoK? That can't help raise their profile. It's like the retail equivalent of Flowers for Algernon.

Before this sale, I bought all the WoK minis I owned at the FLGS. I'm as addicted to Kickstarter as the next man, but the prospect of another WOK campaign excites me even less than the original campaign did. While people trust CMON, won't it be difficult for the campaign to overcome the whiff of the grave hanging about the IP? After this legendary Cyber Monday sale, will prospective pledgers see a benefit to "standard FLGS discount plus a year wait" KS prices?

I’m not sure about the whole retailers cannot carry this game as it’s still available through miniaturemarket.com, and they have gotten reorders. I think it’s more of the fact retailers won’t touch it because of CMONs max discount of 15% that they have implemented, and that a lot of people picked a good chunk up through Kickstarter. Retailers are looking for profit and a game that is going to be helping their turns.

Ah, my bad. That's what I was trying to say. I know there was a large thread on cmon setting that discount boundary earlier this year, and wok's worst enemy has always been its price. Its always sold well though miniature market with large discounts, just as it is during this sale.

Oh, wasnt trying to bad mouth sources. I don't know who the source is, but I figured a cmon email was pretty legit (unless i was lied to so sales continue. I also hope the cmon rep is right. Who does your source work for if you don't mind me asking?

I did notice on facebook sites that some cmon employees have been active, saying wok is healthy, has plans for 2018, and this is just an overstock sale (in which case makes this a perfect time to start in the hobby!!). A post on the cmon forums also shows: "Bryan Steele of CMON did say in a comment in the WGC WoK FB group that this sale was to clear overstock and that he was working on plans for WoK in 2018.

That being said, i just really enjoy the game and don't want to see anything bad happen to it.

I'm thinking that generally CMON won't or can't keep up any miniature war/battle game because they have much better success with board games. So I was wondering....maybe there are ways to sell Wrath of Kings models for some of CMON's board games? Like expansion card sets for Zombicide Black Plague or Massive Darkness? Or perhaps a new board game based on WoK that contains fresh models, which is expandable with other models in the line? That would maybe sell to new and existing fans. Perhaps if new uses for the models bring in money then CMON might be more apt to keep the line active...and give us some new stuff here and there for the actual WoK miniatures game.

Well one of the Goritsi character specialists is already a model in Black Plague. As Zombie wolf abomination... I wonder though if they could make A Kings of War board game that you could also use the models in the table top game.

I've pestered them on the topic of integrating Wrath of Kings into just about every single campaign they've run since, at least those where it would make sense for aspects of the game to be included.

It always fell on deaf ears.

Why weren't their any Nasier or other faction dual use Zombicide guest boxes for Black Plague? I'm not going to count the cosplayers from Season 2.

Why not reskin Massive Darkness to take place in Arikania instead of the nondescript generic locales they used?

They could be pulling a Fantasy Flight in terms of branding everything to match up and make a unifying product line.

Plus Guiton's done the artwork for all the games mentioned as well. It could all fit perfectly if given just a bit more thought behind it!

Maybe it's a case of "No, that was Phil's project. We hate Phil. Screw him and his project."

It would certainly be a useful route to take on their wholly owned stuff

its not as if they don't shoehorn totally unrelated stuff in as stretch goal fodder anyway

I was wondering, since whispers of the return of confrontation are in the air, if some sort of hold was being put on the game till they make sure they still have the artists lined up. Not that the sculptors leave WoK high and dry to go back to making wolfen models.

 Theophony wrote:
I was wondering, since whispers of the return of confrontation are in the air, if some sort of hold was being put on the game till they make sure they still have the artists lined up. Not that the sculptors leave WoK high and dry to go back to making wolfen models.

Hah, if those guys at Confrontation Resurrection actually pull anything substantial off, I'll eat a shoe. It looked like some daydreaming by a couple of fans, and there hasn't been anything since February (and even then it was just "Hai guys, Confrontation is coming back!"). They'd have a huge hurdle with anyone who fondly remembered the game likely having a huge collection already and competing with the various recasters/Legendarion. CMON tried to sell some resins and they flopped hard, though that was probaly in part due to the terrible selection.

Grabbed some Hadross at the sale, I figure I can use them for Deepwars if nothing else!

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
I was wondering, since whispers of the return of confrontation are in the air, if some sort of hold was being put on the game till they make sure they still have the artists lined up. Not that the sculptors leave WoK high and dry to go back to making wolfen models.

Hah, if those guys at Confrontation Resurrection actually pull anything substantial off, I'll eat a shoe. It looked like some daydreaming by a couple of fans, and there hasn't been anything since February (and even then it was just "Hai guys, Confrontation is coming back!"). They'd have a huge hurdle with anyone who fondly remembered the game likely having a huge collection already and competing with the various recasters/Legendarion. CMON tried to sell some resins and they flopped hard, though that was probaly in part due to the terrible selection.

Grabbed some Hadross at the sale, I figure I can use them for Deepwars if nothing else!

Could be them trying to make a quick $$$. Grab the confrontation name and get the hype going and maybe CMON will buy it off them just to keep the line theirs. They wouldn’t even have to create anything, just the mere possibility of the Gorsiti line getting duplicated/watered down could be cause bough to make CMON buy them out.

The only wrinkle in that line of thinking was the fact that CMON had the license for a while, and basically didn't do much with it.

supposedly they bought the line initially to sell the existing minis, but what they got in terms of moulds. masters etc was in poor condition, and incomplete

perhaps why the confrontation stuff they did do in resin was an odd mix of weird choices not the solid sellers you'd have expected them to pick and that meant they didn't sell as well as expected (reading between the lines, I've not seen any decent conformation on this bit) and so any incentive to re-launch in the short term was lost, lots more cash would have been needed to re-do a lot of the line, minimal interest and all the old plastics hanging around to canabalise sales

I can't quite get straight whether they actually looked into relaunching Confrontation before it morphed into Wrath of Kings (so they put together their own background for a ruleset originally intended for confrontation)

or whether they were always separate projects with the Phoniex Edition of Confrontation being dropped when they couldn't figure out a rule set that kept all the old players happy

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


I can't quite get straight whether they actually looked into relaunching Confrontation before it morphed into Wrath of Kings (so they put together their own background for a ruleset originally intended for confrontation)

or whether they were always separate projects with the Phoniex Edition of Confrontation being dropped when they couldn't figure out a rule set that kept all the old players happy

I can answer this.

They were separate projects. I was really active on the old Dragon painting forum which was the big English painting site for Rackham and there were some people there that worked on either Phoenix Edition or both it and WoK. WoK was in development before they got the rights to Confrontation if I remember correctly. I even demoed WoK at gencon the same year they announced Confrontation Phoenix Edition though they had been working on PE for at least a year at that point due to the rules had been in beta for C: PE and people didn't like them. We were told on that forum that originally Confrontation was going to go to KSer first but people didn't like the rules so they decided to move up WoK and then do C: PE the next year. If you go over the facebook and look up Geek Garage Clubhouse that's where a lot of people from that form still hangout and I'm certain you can get some more detailed info if you want.

I also know that part of the reason for CMoN not pushing forward with Confrontation was all the recastors and Leganarion (SP?) sculpting new stuff based off of concept artwork and selling it as part of the game. CMoN didn't have the resources to go after them, as the big one is Russian based, and Cyanide didn't care (from at least what I've been told). CMoN couldn't compete with the recastor prices if done in resin or metal and worried about a revolt from the Rackham fans if they did plastic. This was also years ago before CMoN became as successful as it is now and PVC having really improved as I believe Sedition Wars wasn't even done with wave 2 at the time (and we all know how that went).

Cheers for that, interesting stuff

(I hadn't considered how the recasters would have impacted things, but I suppose internet shopping was happening but postage wasn't yet a problem, and if there was a system to go with them stores might well have started bringing in stuff themselves if the price was right)

Sedition Wars probably scrapped a lot of their plans, now that you mention it.


Tangentially related: CMON gave me a shipping notice for my second order, but not for the first order which contained all the WoK items. Since so many here ordered from the sale, did you all have the same experience? Is there going to be an issue with the WoK orders?

Some of the WoK stuff they thought they had in is apparently not there (shipping issues from the factory),

from the sound of it the only stuff effected is the newest (not reduced) stuff, and they're shipping the rest of the without that and refunding

other than that it's probably just BF slowness

I got confirmation of my order from Saturday but no shipping notice yet.

I received my first order rather quickly (I did order at 4am EST the day the sale began , though). I placed a second order for a bunch of Dark Sword Miniatures ($2.00 each!!) a couple of days later but have yet to even receive a shipping notice on it.

All of you suck that received stuff. All my orders are still "processing." You've had near enough to over two weeks now, dagnabbit!

Process it and ship it already!

Going off topic on Sedition Wars, but what ever happened with the reboot/ expansion stuff? Samples were in the wild, previews were getting posted... and then nothing.

Yet another franchise that CMON could mine for interesting materials that I'm sure they've already paid the costs for on sculpting and design.

still loving WoK and have a growing group who are having a great time with it, that said I desperately want Confrontation back too (is my fave)

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

Going off topic on Sedition Wars, but what ever happened with the reboot/ expansion stuff? Samples were in the wild, previews were getting posted... and then nothing.

Yet another franchise that CMON could mine for interesting materials that I'm sure they've already paid the costs for on sculpting and design.

CMON bought out Studio McVey or hired Mike McVey full time (or both) and got him working on other stuff that didn't have a troubled background

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
All of you suck that received stuff. All my orders are still "processing." You've had near enough to over two weeks now, dagnabbit!

Process it and ship it already!

Going off topic on Sedition Wars, but what ever happened with the reboot/ expansion stuff? Samples were in the wild, previews were getting posted... and then nothing.

Yet another franchise that CMON could mine for interesting materials that I'm sure they've already paid the costs for on sculpting and design.

It died. CMoN walked from the property since it was such a mess and then McVey shut down his studio since he didn't have the rights to Sedition Wars. I think this was all from the Reaper forums years ago as several painters there were active on the McVey forums before those got shut down. I think what really shut down Sedition Wars was the fact that Game Stores bought a lot of copies and got burned more then anything else. It was one of the first big KSer success boardgame wise and lots of people were convinced it was going to also sell like gangbusters after KSer like Zombiecide did. When it didn't the property lost a lot of it's value as at that time CMoN was still trying to go get things in physical stores unlike today where I don't think they care.

Looks like there's new WoK stuff on the horizon, completing (?) the stuff from Book 2?

http://wrathofkings.com/ks/

and

http://wrathofkings.com/ks/new-wrath-of-kings-releases-now-available/

















If I've missed any, please add them in!

The game remains frustratingly hard to get news on, find in stores, etc...

Let's home CMON can finally figure this all out, and get some serious momentum going here, and for Dark Age.

thats all book 2 stuff loving it as well!

Someday I'll work out why CMON hate ranged attacks.

And distribution.

It's nice to see stuff finally coming out again. It's maddening how CMON seems to have just tossed this game aside while it feels like they've gone all-in with Dark Age and likely will with Ice & Fire.

It's such a fun game and I love demo-ing it for people. They tend to pick it up very quickly and have a good time. Plus the free rules and unique design help a lot with increasing interest.

"So where can I get a starter?"
"Well ...."

New recruits are coming this month for the armies of Arikania! These fierce warriors include Gotha Knights, Dragon Lancers, Fire Hawk Reavers, and more. Stay tuned for more information on these combatants and look for them in your FLGS on March 30.


good to see these finally heading out to (US) stores

(as far as I can tell it's just the stuff that's been sitting in the CMON warehouse since late last year and was not very cheap in the November sale)

Edit: the above might not be right? they're certainly from the second book but I cant find the gotha knights in my stash and I thought I got all the Goritsi I was missing ?

I'll go with something is better than nothing!

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
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New recruits are coming this month for the armies of Arikania! These fierce warriors include Gotha Knights, Dragon Lancers, Fire Hawk Reavers, and more. Stay tuned for more information on these combatants and look for them in your FLGS on March 30.


good to see these finally heading out to (US) stores

(as far as I can tell it's just the stuff that's been sitting in the CMON warehouse since late last year and was not very cheap in the November sale)

Edit: the above might not be right? they're certainly from the second book but I cant find the gotha knights in my stash and I thought I got all the Goritsi I was missing ?

None of these have been for sale yet. The Gotha Knights and the Nasier unit were listed for sale but then they realized they did not actually have them in house yet. I preordered both new Goritsi units through Miniature Market

Any idea or confirmation that this game is still 'alive' and something that CMON will continue to support?

I'm considering it dead. I will be extremely (pleasantly) surprised if we ever see anything new now that book 2 has all its minis out.

Which really sucks.

Everyone going to adepticon that plays should stop by the booth and ask about the future of the game

Last that was said they had a big plan for the game for this year. Perhaps the radio silence is because they want to hit with everything at once.

A new faction?

A new Kickstarter?

A board game that expands upon the world?

A Mordheim- style campaign based game?

I'll take anything! Please go pester them all of you that are attending!

I'll give them a hard time. I've got the full factions for Shael-Han, Teknes, and Nasir with most of the Goritsi faction but I only get the models I like from that one post kickstarter. It's seriously one of the best games out there and I want it to succeed. The deep discount sale didn't exactly help locally with thinking it will be a supported game.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
A new faction?

A new Kickstarter?

A board game that expands upon the world?

A Mordheim- style campaign based game?

I'll take anything! Please go pester them all of you that are attending!

How about a KS for a WoK board game that has a Mordheim-style campaign model, featuring a new faction? Seriously, that is a great idea. Existing fans buy it for the new way to play (and the new faction) while making new fans that play board games....and might buy existing models (cards and such for them would be included in the KS).

(hey, a man can dream, right?)

BigDaddio wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
A new faction?

A new Kickstarter?

A board game that expands upon the world?

A Mordheim- style campaign based game?

I'll take anything! Please go pester them all of you that are attending!

How about a KS for a WoK board game that has a Mordheim-style campaign model, featuring a new faction? Seriously, that is a great idea. Existing fans buy it for the new way to play (and the new faction) while making new fans that play board games....and might buy existing models (cards and such for them would be included in the KS).

(hey, a man can dream, right?)

That is a great idea.

Honestly, at this point I'll take anything too. Even just regular blog updates to let us know that the game hasn't been retired. I've been playing for about two years now and its a great game, but at no point during that two years was I convinced that they weren't about to announce that they were officially ending support.

It may be that the game is in a pretty impossible situation. ebay is flooded with cheap starters from the Kickstarter that give you all the models you could want,and now thanks to the CMON sale everything else is readily available for cheap too. because of that,and because new releases are nearly impossible to order, I think its extremely difficult for retailers to try carrying this game and creating communities around it.

Maybe the best thing they could do would be to introduce some new faction starters with new units for each army? That way every army has something new and interesting to buy thats a good starting spot for new players and not available for deep discount on ebay.

Dreaming for some wargame miniatures rules for the Rising Sun miniatures, myself. Didn't back RS because I don't enjoy most Eric Lang games, but the miniatures look fantastic. Still dunno how CMON's going to support their "lifestyle" games, given how much retail support they're promising for Song of Ice and Fire, and how little they've said for Wrath.

would love a WoK rpg. The setting is more than deep enough.

So the Cmon booth at adepticon is literally only selling the new releases and nothing new or on display...

 Hulksmash wrote:
So the Cmon booth at adepticon is literally only selling the new releases and nothing new or on display...

Are you sure? The twitter images they're posting show a couple demo tables, probably like what I saw at PAX Unplugged.

Not that it's really a good thing, mind. Their demos are tiny 2x2, minimal effort squares with unpainted miniatures (for GoT) or 5 guys on either side (for WoK Dark Age).

Dark age and GoT demos. Only the 4 newest releases on sale. They said it was due to space but it's a bigger area than last year. No display models at all.

March Releases for Wrath of Kings
Mar 23, 2018

This month, new recruits are hitting the battlefields of Arikania for Wrath of Kings. Three of the five Great Houses have releases in the form of new box sets. There’s two each for Nasier, Goritsi, and Shael-Han. All of them bring new options for commanders.

March Releases for Wrath of Kings

House Nasier starts out with the Izari Warhounds. These elite troopers are paired up with a highly-trained dog. The dog is given a ceremonial mask, which gives it limited telepathic abilities with its handler, letting the two work as a much more cohesive team. Nasier is also getting the Firehawk Reavers. These specialized warriors have traded in their dueling blades for tridents, making them ideal for leading charges right into the midst of the enemy’s defensive formations.

For House Shael-Han, tradition reigns supreme. Their Dragon Lancer units are equipped with ancient arms and armor, passed down for generations, imbued with spiritual power, granting these fighters with powers beyond normal human capacity. Shael-Han also knows that protecting key individuals is important. That’s why they employ the Paragons of Wrath. These bodyguards are fiercely dedicated to keeping the House’s commanders safe on the battlefield.

House Goritsi tends to favor specialists when it comes to their units. They may only do one thing, but they’re the best ones on the battlefield in their particular job. When it comes to surgical strikes, the Whitemane Duelists cannot be beat. They’re able to quickly get to their target and eliminate it extremely efficiently. On the defensive side of the battle, there’s the Gotha Knights. Once these werewolves dig their claws in, almost nothing can move them.

All of these sets will be hitting store shelves on March 30.

The more I see of Shael-Han, the more I want Shael-Han!

 Mysterio wrote:
The more I see of Shael-Han, the more I want Shael-Han!

They are a lot of fun, and they work well together in groups.

I've been working on assembling a bunch of the stuff I got from the Cmon Christmas sale. The detail is really fantastic, and with blow dryer most warping and fit issues are easily solved there were a few where no amount of heating could get the pieces to fit (immanid Kraken!), but the majority went together very easily. I think Cmon have really figured out PVC miniatures.

 Gallahad wrote:
I've been working on assembling a bunch of the stuff I got from the Cmon Christmas sale. The detail is really fantastic, and with blow dryer most warping and fit issues are easily solved there were a few where no amount of heating could get the pieces to fit (immanid Kraken!), but the majority went together very easily. I think Cmon have really figured out PVC miniatures.

Yeah, I have been pretty happy with assembling WoK stuff (except the Nasier back Spikes). I got a friend the Hateforge Titan for Christmas. It had a ton of gaps but he did a pretty good job of green stuffing them...

Speaking of which, the Hatreforge Titan is pretty epic. It towers over my largest Gorsits units. I want to get one but don't play Teknes... Trying to see if there is some cross over to use it in another game. It really is an awesome model.

My first thought on the Titan is Farrow in Hordes, but nothing actually sits on a base as big as the Titan.

Actually I don't think I've seen the thing in the flesh yet. Just how big is it? Card says it's on an 80mm base.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
My first thought on the Titan is Farrow in Hordes, but nothing actually sits on a base as big as the Titan.

Actually I don't think I've seen the thing in the flesh yet. Just how big is it? Card says it's on an 80mm base.

He is a little taller than the bones hill Giant, or about the same height as the Cauldron of Blood's Avatar of Khaine. Maybe 3 inches-ish?

 Smokestack wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
My first thought on the Titan is Farrow in Hordes, but nothing actually sits on a base as big as the Titan.

Actually I don't think I've seen the thing in the flesh yet. Just how big is it? Card says it's on an 80mm base.

He is a little taller than the bones hill Giant, or about the same height as the Cauldron of Blood's Avatar of Khaine. Maybe 3 inches-ish?

Like Tamburlaine, I assumed he'd make a good Farrow Gargantuan, but it sounds like he's a bit small for that.

I can't find any pictures of one next to other miniatures sadly.

As someone who's not a player of WoK, I have to say, I'm very impressed by the background and miniatures. I've watched several videos of it, and have bought a few figures here and there (nothing to build an army, just what I thought looked cool), so I'm glad to see them still pumping stuff out for it. It's a great and fun concept, and it feels very original for sure. I'm glad the industry still puts out stuff like this, and not just a bunch of clones of other, more successful games.

That is one epic Pumba

I want to play Wrath of Kings now...

Hmmm. I don't Play Hordes/Warmachine... So not sure. He is pretty big, probably the biggest WoK model, but no Idea how he compares to Other Pig Lords.

Snap some photos next to him with some other Wrath of Kings models- that'll help and be greatly appreciated!

I use the titan in my Nature army for KoW. Actually... quite a few WoK ends up in KoW hehe

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
That is one epic Pumba

I want to play Wrath of Kings now...

I'd really recommend it. It's a fantastic game that's really easy to learn and play and does a number of things that I think are pretty clever with its rules. All the rules and cards are free and the minis are a good value for what you get. You can play pretty big games with just a faction starter on each side.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Snap some photos next to him with some other Wrath of Kings models- that'll help and be greatly appreciated!

I don’t own him. He was a gift for a friend. I will see if my friend can send me some pics when he gets home from work.

Friend sent me a pic.

 Smokestack wrote:
Friend sent me a pic.

Oh perfect! Thanks to you and your friend.

Still a bit small for a gargantuan, but perfect size for a VERY menacing heavy warbeast.

Needs cannons

Thanks for the picture. That is a very cool model.

Where besides the CMON webstore would I get my dirty European hands on that Titan?

 Binabik15 wrote:
Where besides the CMON webstore would I get my dirty European hands on that Titan?

Eventually, miniaturemarket.com

The new releases should be out tomorrow!!! I pre-ordered through miniature market. Soon!!!!

Got my new Goritsi units today.

They look great!

Does this mean the game isn't dead?

From the Black Friday thread

 Mysterio wrote:
CMON is going to make some sort of “announcement” about Wrath of Kings and Dark Age this Friday.

Hopefully it’s good news.

I plan on getting all the rest of the WoK stuff in the Black Friday sale... It will be a shame if the announcement is "Discontinued!" I would be super excited if its a second edition and a new kickstarter.

Oh man, I really need some gotha knights..

Yeah, fingers crossed the it's a WoK wide sale as I'll finish up the stuff I didn't get last year and round out the Goritsi. I'll have 4/5 factions at that point as the fish men do nothing for me.

Really hoping they aren't just discontinuing the game but if they are then hopefully the sale is huge and I can finish it up and have a complete and well done game to pull out from time to time.

CMON doesn't generally do announcements to say "We're out, the game is dead!" and the tone and tenor leading up to this 'announcement' does...feel (yeah, I know!) positive.

Still, that *could* mean that the IP has been sold off to a company that actually gives a damn/will actually manufacture/stock/distribute/deliver existing product AND develop new things going forward...

Or, CMON could actually say "Sorry, our bad, we'll be getting back on track with regular releases for WoK and Dark Age in 2019 after our GRRM fail to deliver and the KS-cash grab cow begins to get milked dry!", or...something between?

I still don't get why they haven't run with the setting like FFG does with their Terrinoth/ Runebound stuff.

Heck, do another starter set on KS with new factions, or subfactions, or a dungeon crawl set in Arikania, or a reskin of one of their dudes on a map game...

...I need some Gotha and Duelists as well.

If everything really is 80% off, then those Gotha knights will be $7...

I really do hope its good news. New factions would be great. or even just new units.... some underworld style armored vampires for Goritsi... Ok, I could wish list a bunch of stuff, but I wont.

Even if they just do a board game I would be happy. My CMON wish list is currently $720.... but that's only $144 at 80% off.




Oh, and the Gotha knights are 8 to a box...2 leaders and 6 troops. So less that a $1 each... I may buy a couple boxes, even though I don't really need any more.

 Smokestack wrote:
If everything really is 80% off, then those Gotha knights will be $7...

I really do hope its good news. New factions would be great. or even just new units.... some underworld style armored vampires for Goritsi... Ok, I could wish list a bunch of stuff, but I wont.

Even if they just do a board game I would be happy. My CMON wish list is currently $720.... but that's only $144 at 80% off.




Oh, and the Gotha knights are 8 to a box...2 leaders and 6 troops. So less that a $1 each... I may buy a couple boxes, even though I don't really need any more.

This is me with the Celestial Host models. So much awesome in a single box!

Now I can't shake the urge to sci fi up the Celestial Host and Hadross gladiators into a full Uplift War squad for [sci fi skirmish rule set].

I'd hop on a sale pretty quick. Wrath might be a dead game, but the standard game sizes means that if I get one of everything, I've still got plenty of variety.

 infinite_array wrote:
I'd hop on a sale pretty quick. Wrath might be a dead game, but the standard game sizes means that if I get one of everything, I've still got plenty of variety.

Pretty much this. Unless there is a specific unit you love even one of each gives you all the variables ever. I kept I think 2-3 of each of the rank 2 specialists from the original and grab essentially 1 box of everything else with a few exceptions. Like the Celestial host, legionaires, Goritsi mercs, great wings and so on. Given that a basic troop box is essentially 1/3-1/2 of the "troops" you need in the game it's insane how far just a bit will go.

I juat placed an order for the remaining units I didn't have. Now I have one of everything in the range (wish I had more of their molded bases... why did they discontinue those!!)

I didn't hear about an 80% off sale, but if that's true I'll grab some extras of units I like, like the firehawks and gotha knights

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


and as hoped for here it is (remember people it will take ages to ship so don't dive in unless you're prepared to wait till well into the new year)

That haven't said whats included... but the CMON store is pretty barren, and really Wrath of Kings is all they have left there...

Unless they do a major restock prior to the sale?

I did a preliminary browse too. A lot of the store is pretty barren at the moment.

I wonder if the board games could end up getting some of those steep discounts too...

They have lots of their box games could just be that

the game is very much alive and well where I am, and I would love to finish off the last few models I need for the game, now if they made an RPG for this, I would be in Nerdvana!!

 thekingofkings wrote:
the game is very much alive and well where I am, and I would love to finish off the last few models I need for the game, now if they made an RPG for this, I would be in Nerdvana!!

We had a pretty brief surge when it initially dropped but the lack of support after the kickstarter for so long killed it. And given the GW resurgence and that I live in FFG's home it's hard to get anything not GW or FFG off the ground. Even Warmahordes has died.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:
the game is very much alive and well where I am, and I would love to finish off the last few models I need for the game, now if they made an RPG for this, I would be in Nerdvana!!

We had a pretty brief surge when it initially dropped but the lack of support after the kickstarter for so long killed it. And given the GW resurgence and that I live in FFG's home it's hard to get anything not GW or FFG off the ground. Even Warmahordes has died.

GW really took a hit around here, other than the GW none of the other stores stock or support it. Guildball, Xwing, warmahordes, etc all get played a lot and some games i have no idea about like fallout. Infinity is really big too.

I hope this game is renewed again, it seems a lot of you really like it.

As CMON is likely to have a big sale on all their WoK stuff, can anyone help me out with a picture of the Hadross Pit Fighters next to another miniature (regular and perhaps an ogre sized one if you have one) so I can better judge their scale? I wouldn't mind picking some up, but I need to be sure as to how large they are.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
I hope this game is renewed again, it seems a lot of you really like it.

As CMON is likely to have a big sale on all their WoK stuff, can anyone help me out with a picture of the Hadross Pit Fighters next to another miniature (regular and perhaps an ogre sized one if you have one) so I can better judge their scale? I wouldn't mind picking some up, but I need to be sure as to how large they are.

I don't own any Hadross, but their profile in the book says they are on 40mm bases... which is what the Goritsi werewolves/ skorza are on.


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Mysterio, do you know where the announcement is supposed to be made? Facebook? Or somewhere else? Thank you

I have some painted Pit Fighters at home. I have some photos on Dakka already but they don't show the size really.

I'll post some comparisons of them later tonight.

Thanks so much I really love their weapons and heads, so if I can get these for a song, I'll definitely snatch some up.

Better late than never?



A Pit Fighter with an assortment of WoK models.



A different Pit Fighter with models from a few different ranges.

They tend to be about normal guy sized, but they're a lot broader and stockier than an average WoK human.

I wish it was alive on this continent, I like that boar monster and the weretiger guy. Couldn't find them without shipping being as much or more as the minis, though.

I like them, but I could likely make them bigger by giving them proper sized legs and arms. I still think they're great, it'll just take some work to get them how I want.

Thanks so much for the photos!

I like them too, but really wish they'd have matched some of the Shael Han and Skorza stuff in size.

Hadross big guys just aren't big enough! I had the same complaint with the carchodons.

The Nasier rank 2 troops are on the smaller side too. They are about the same height as normal humans but much wider. They don't look out of place on the 40mm bases but do look small compared to the Skorza.

If you have access to some cheap relic knights stuff, the noh make good shael Han stand ins.

Is the far left Skorza one of the Gotha knights? I don't recognize that model and they're one of the few I haven't been able to get ahold of yet.

Noh go very well with Shael Han. The two combined were the Vanguard of my Kings of War Ogre army.

Yes, he is one of the Gotha knights. It’s 3 unique troop sculpts and the leader sculpt x2. So 4 unique guys but then doubled in the box.

 Smokestack wrote:
The Nasier rank 2 troops are on the smaller side too. They are about the same height as normal humans but much wider. They don't look out of place on the 40mm bases but do look small compared to the Skorza.

If you have access to some cheap relic knights stuff, the noh make good shael Han stand ins.

where do you get those bases on your pics? the ones that look Confrontation style??

They are Confrontation bases. Miniature market used to sell Age of Ragnorak bases... but sadly no longer do...

Miniature Market has a WoK sale. 30% - 70% off.




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They have the Gotha Knights and White Mane Duelists. I have 2 of each but tempted to get another set...

Whenever I see this thread pop up there's always a brief flash of hope that it's some kind of news on the status of the game.

 infinite_array wrote:
Whenever I see this thread pop up there's always a brief flash of hope that it's some kind of news on the status of the game.

Nope. It's dead. I have come to accept that. Still nice models are nice... Especially when cheap. But Io have given up any hope on a WoK reboot.

I'd appreciate even a single sentence update saying the game is definitively dead.

Still, the chance at buying the whole Nasier faction for $130 is awfully tempting.

Miniature Market also had a sale on the CMON Basing System last week. I am guessing they bought up CMON's webstore stock. Wonder if we'll see Dark Ages next?

infinite_array wrote:I'd appreciate even a single sentence update saying the game is definitively dead.

Agreed!

And I still hold out hope that they'll cut the IP free and someone will pick it up and support it.

I did just bolster my Hadross, Teknes and Shael Han forces though!

Bossk_Hogg wrote:Miniature Market also had a sale on the CMON Basing System last week. I am guessing they bought up CMON's webstore stock. Wonder if we'll see Dark Ages next?

I wish I'd have known about that basing system sale!

And, I don't think there's any Dark Age stock left...anyway, sadly.

Wow, I didn't put that together. But it does explain why MM has the Confrontation resins that CMON was selling.

I think they'd had those resins before at Miniature Market.

Those bases are nice. I bought so many a few years back when they had them for under two bucks a set on Black Friday. I don't use them often enough...

Debating if I want to add any more to my collection. How are those fire spear Nasier compared with the Ashmen? The price is tempting...

Picked up a bunch of stuff from the game I've always wanted, but never got. (the hate-forged titan, thanks to your review Tamburlaine) Such a cool concept for a game setting and miniatures, too bad it never took off. I'd always regretted not funding the initial KS, that was back when I told myself, "I don't need to back every KS that looks cool to me..."

 infinite_array wrote:
Whenever I see this thread pop up there's always a brief flash of hope that it's some kind of news on the status of the game.

same here. But more than news of CMON, as Alpharius said, news that someone has acquired the IP for a resurrection of the game. We’ll pray to Eru

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I think they'd had those resins before at Miniature Market.

Those bases are nice. I bought so many a few years back when they had them for under two bucks a set on Black Friday. I don't use them often enough...

Debating if I want to add any more to my collection. How are those fire spear Nasier compared with the Ashmen? The price is tempting...

in my experience with nasier, nothing tops ashmen, but I am biased for them (I have 99% of the entire wok collection, so a bit of a fanboy) They are a good unit though.

Some may find it interesting, but I spoke with a woman at the CMON booth at Adepticon and asked about the state of both Wrath of Kings and Dark Age.

Without getting into to much detail, she explained that it's I'm a weird place right now because they are doing well with the SOIAF stuff so that's getting all the attention at HQ, but DA and WoK are both beloved projects that they don't want to cut loose, so there are no plans to move the IP, but they also don't have any firm details on future releases.

So, yeah, it's dead, but CMON isn't ready to let it go...

Huh!

Thanks for the update!

That's long been the prevailing theory - that the 'A Song of Ice and Fire' Game (and Kickstarter fulfillment) was hogging all the time/money/attention at CMON, and their other 'real' Wargames were suffering for it.

CMON makes most (almost all?) of their money via interest free loans preorders Kickstarter campaigns, so who knows what this eventually means for anything other than those types of things.

Based on that information, my conspiracy theory is that CMON will hold on to Wrath of Kings and Dark Age until the inevitable ASOIAF slowdown (either because the interest drops once the show's final season ends, or becuase they hit a natural limit on what units they can release a la X-Wing).

At which point they'll launch a combined Kickstarter to reboot/revamp WoK and DA with new rulebooks and new miniatures for each faction.

 Alpharius wrote:
Huh!

Thanks for the update!

That's long been the prevailing theory - that the 'A Song of Ice and Fire' Game (and Kickstarter fulfillment) was hogging all the time/money/attention at CMON, and their other 'real' Wargames were suffering for it.

CMON makes most (almost all?) of their money via interest free loans preorders Kickstarter campaigns, so who knows what this eventually means for anything other than those types of things.

It's almost the same way that GW ignored Old World fantasy when they focused heavily on Lord of the Rings; or how Halo blasted a lot of Spartan Games attention for their other games as well (though there were other issues with SG that led to their downfall).
I think it just shows that many wargame companies are poorly designed to deal with major consumer market releases that sell vastly above what they are used too and command almost all their attention. Even GW found it hard to tackle, though they also had a very hard time dealing with the sudden nature of the drop in sales once the films were done.

I like ASOIAF. But would totally be down for a WoK kickstarter.

 Smokestack wrote:
But would totally be down for a WoK kickstarter.

I, and just about everybody in my club, lived that life back in 2013

But even then, I'd be interested in a Dark Ages KS. Owning very few minis but being a longtime watcher makes me a prime candidate to break my 'no more mini-games' KS rule

a new user 'MiniatureMarket' just posted down in one of the other forums

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/773780.page#10436082

assuming they are indeed MM (and i'm sure they are) all CMONs remaining stock of both WoK and Dark Age are now with them, with the Dark Age stuff being readied for sale first

(I wonder if it includes any unreleased Dark Age stuff as I think there was some at least theoretically in production that never got to the stores)

CMON blew thru all of their stock when they were clearing it out at 50% off last year - same as WoK.

They had almost no Dark Age stuff left, but a fair amount of WoK stuff remaining.

Which now looks to be on Mini Market.

They either held a lot of Dark Age stuff back (?) or they did another production run to sell to Mini Market or...

...er...I don’t know.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
a new user 'MiniatureMarket' just posted down in one of the other forums

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/773780.page#10436082

assuming they are indeed MM (and i'm sure they are) all CMONs remaining stock of both WoK and Dark Age are now with them, with the Dark Age stuff being readied for sale first

(I wonder if it includes any unreleased Dark Age stuff as I think there was some at least theoretically in production that never got to the stores)

Actually not a new user. Account has 10 posts total over the past 4 years and they're all related to either Miniature Market or Ironclad games. So I think we have our answer about what the future of these games are.

It will be great if the whole dark age line is available. I wonder what the discount will run.

I'll drop this here as I can't find the Dark Age thread I though was around in N&R

all the remaining stock of Dark Age stuff is now up on Miniature Market (according to their account posting down in Misc. Other Miniature Games)

https://www.miniaturemarket.com/table-top-miniatures/dark-age.html

not much of a saving, but if you needed something now is the time to get it

Dangit! I thought there was some WoK news... as far fetched as that sounds....

 Smokestack wrote:
Dangit! I thought there was some WoK news... as far fetched as that sounds....

With Gencon coming, if they don’t have any releases or press about it then you can guarantee that it I should dead and buried.

 Smokestack wrote:
Dangit! I thought there was some WoK news... as far fetched as that sounds....

Sorry, i'd love to have found some to post, sigh

Monday's the last day of Miniature Market's sale, including Wrath of Kings Starter and other boxes.

https://www.miniaturemarket.com/searchresults?q=the+big+sale#/?_=1&page=17&filter.stock_status=In%20Stock&sort.name=asc

Why won't CMON just sell off the IP for this great game and miniature line already?!?

I mean, clearly they aren't going to do anything else with it (or the also excellent Dark Age game), are they?

 Alpharius wrote:
(or the also excellent Dark Age game)

I have never wanted to produce a mini game ever until I started contemplating Dark Age's fate. While I think I could do it ... I also don't need that in my life, as much as I'd like Dark Age to live on

 Alpharius wrote:
Why won't CMON just sell off the IP for this great game and miniature line already?!?

I mean, clearly they aren't going to do anything else with it (or the also excellent Dark Age game), are they?

If they sell the game, and then the new company goes on to have great success with it, which member of the CMON team would be left looking like a dunce? He or she is probably the reason.

Boss Salvage wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
(or the also excellent Dark Age game)

I have never wanted to produce a mini game ever until I started contemplating Dark Age's fate. While I think I could do it ... I also don't need that in my life, as much as I'd like Dark Age to live on

Well, if you decide to attempt to do that, I'll certainly support your efforts!

BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Why won't CMON just sell off the IP for this great game and miniature line already?!?

I mean, clearly they aren't going to do anything else with it (or the also excellent Dark Age game), are they?

If they sell the game, and then the new company goes on to have great success with it, which member of the CMON team would be left looking like a dunce? He or she is probably the reason.

I suspect you're probably correct...

 Alpharius wrote:

Boss Salvage wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
(or the also excellent Dark Age game)

I have never wanted to produce a mini game ever until I started contemplating Dark Age's fate. While I think I could do it ... I also don't need that in my life, as much as I'd like Dark Age to live on

Well, if you decide to attempt to do that, I'll certainly support your efforts!

Cheers for the vote of confidence, Alph

So I'd love to get my hands on certain models I am missing. Dame Allison, Ironeyes, and certain Hadross models.

Anyone know where I could get WoK bases for my own conversions?

Someone said that some of the models got ported to another game. Anyone know more about that? I'd look into that game just to see if they have any models I am missing.

 Solorg wrote:

Someone said that some of the models got ported to another game. Anyone know more about that? I'd look into that game just to see if they have any models I am missing.

I hadn't heard that!

I'd be interested to know the name of this other game too...

 Solorg wrote:
So I'd love to get my hands on certain models I am missing. Dame Allison, Ironeyes, and certain Hadross models.

Anyone know where I could get WoK bases for my own conversions?

Someone said that some of the models got ported to another game. Anyone know more about that? I'd look into that game just to see if they have any models I am missing.

I have seen Ironeyes on ebay occasionaly, Last time I think it sold for $75. I havent seen Dame Allison on ebay though.

No Idea on where to get the bases. The bases were the thing i liked least about the minis and used to buy the confrontation 30mm bases from Miniature market when they were available. But sadly those bases are no longer available, at least not from Miniature Market.

The only game i know of that had Wrath of Kings models was Zombicide Black Plague... it had a version of Duke Anton. And regular Zombicide had a union pig guy and a Nasier Elyanna Heska cosplay survivor.

 Solorg wrote:
So I'd love to get my hands on certain models I am missing. Dame Allison, Ironeyes, and certain Hadross models.

Anyone know where I could get WoK bases for my own conversions?

Someone said that some of the models got ported to another game. Anyone know more about that? I'd look into that game just to see if they have any models I am missing.

How many of their bases are you looking to get? (They’re the deep dish bases, tight?). I’ve been gluing all my WoK minis to Renedra or Reaper bases, so I should have some of them in a baggie somewhere...

Other than ebay I think your stuck with Minature Market as they picked up all the remaining stock of WoK when CMON cleared their warehouse

if you really want Dame Allison your best bet is probably the Kingdom Death Night Market group on facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/1287754827958340/

lots of collectors/sellers hang out there and somebody may be prepared to sell you one, but expect to have to pay decent money for it as it's now a rare collectable

as for the bases if you mean the sculpted bases don't think they ever reached retail, if you just mean the basic deep plastic rounds I think you'll need to pick up starters or similar from minature market whenever they have a big sale, I don't know anybody else who does them

(although the cmon/micro arts studio plastic inserts KS bases were, I think, similarly deep so you could try looking for those on ebay too)

I have an odd assortment of WoK that I picked up for a very good price years ago. Sadly none of the two named figures you're looking for which surprises me as I thought I had all the CMoN/KD cross over stuff. Lots of Hadross though, I'll send a PM as I have stuff MM doesn't have for that faction.

Thanks, everyone. I am likely to convert in order to fill holes in my collection. Yeah, re: Hadross, I am missing:

Oracle of Ulloth
Ooroth of Sysor Deep
Torvosh the Bannerman

Thanks for any PMs sent my way, you guys are awesome.

 Solorg wrote:
So I'd love to get my hands on certain models I am missing. Dame Allison, Ironeyes, and certain Hadross models.

Anyone know where I could get WoK bases for my own conversions?

Someone said that some of the models got ported to another game. Anyone know more about that? I'd look into that game just to see if they have any models I am missing.

I saw recently where someone put together cards to use Wrath of Kings models in Warcry. Here is the link...if I did it right... Rules

rox wrote:

 Solorg wrote:
So I'd love to get my hands on certain models I am missing. Dame Allison, Ironeyes, and certain Hadross models.

Anyone know where I could get WoK bases for my own conversions?

Someone said that some of the models got ported to another game. Anyone know more about that? I'd look into that game just to see if they have any models I am missing.

I saw recently where someone put together cards to use Wrath of Kings models in Warcry. Here is the link...if I did it right... Rules

That is pretty cool. That just got me unreasonably excited... It doesnt have the book 2 units but still pretty cool.


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Solorg wrote:
So I'd love to get my hands on certain models I am missing. Dame Allison, Ironeyes, and certain Hadross models.

Anyone know where I could get WoK bases for my own conversions?

Someone said that some of the models got ported to another game. Anyone know more about that? I'd look into that game just to see if they have any models I am missing.

How many of their bases are you looking to get? (They’re the deep dish bases, tight?). I’ve been gluing all my WoK minis to Renedra or Reaper bases, so I should have some of them in a baggie somewhere...

There are actually 3 Iron Eyes on ebay right now... one for around $22

Yes, good find this. Goes to show there's still plenty of love out there for some amazing models.

I still wish I had backed this back in the day. I pulled my pledge at the last minute because I had 'tons of other games', and have regretted it since.

I should dust this off, I went all in and ended up playing like 5 games before the next big thing arrived, this was back in the day when there was an amazing value miniatured KS every month or two.

Every time I see a new post in this thread my heart beats faster .....

Trust me, this game is awesome. I love 40K, but gotta wait like an HOUR for my opponent to figure out all his moves. I get shot by everything before I can counter. Not so with Wrath of Kings. Army creation is a snap, just shuffle some cards, love this game.

Aulë wrote:
Every time I see a new post in this thread my heart beats faster .....

You and me both, brother!

Still, I suppose it is nice to see that there's still a few of us still out there...

Hopefully one day it will escape from the CMON graveyard and rise again somewhere where it will be appreciated (along with Dark Age)