So, i normally play a game and beat it, even if I hate it out of pure spite and not liking to get beaten.(Im looking at you Darksiders 2)
But recently, some games I give up on.
Recently I gave up on "Crown of the Ivory King" for Dark Souls 2 out of dislike of the final boss and his mechanics.
And Alien Isolation. Its nearing the end and the alien was fething everywhere, dropped down from EVERY hole, climbed into vent(It even got into a vent I was about to climb into and jumped out) I said "Im done"because i feel helpless and while I know I like the sneaking, the alien feels like it has every cheat on.
Maybe its more I have less time for gaming now, so I feel like frustration is not worth it.
So Dakka.
What was the game you gave up on.

Dark Souls 3. Not because of the difficulty or anything, I just found it empty, lonely and pretty darn weird.
Got about 45 minutes in and uninstalled it.

Honourable mentions tot he STALKER series (which I wanted to really like) but just couldnt.
Again about 45 mins and poof

I played Oblivion until the end game, and Quit. I built my own "Paladin" class at the start, and it turned out to be the most boring play style. I got to the end and was just so sick of grinding through bad guys that I stopped playing. Didn't care about finishing the game.

An old rogue-like game, ADOM keeps defeating me, but every few years I go back to it and try again.

PS: The game has a "graphics" option now!

I used to play online shooters competitively - but the one that finally made me quit first person shooters was Counter Strike: Global Offensive.
I had a great inventory, game was solid on a great rig I had - but spoilt by the players and mechanics.

Mechanics that annoyed me:
- certain pistols being able to 1 shot you at close range with a headshot even if wearing full armour
- a certain sniper being able to kill more or less in 1 shot to the body. Made worse that it invalidated a lot of guns. The kicker? Valve admitted adding it to the original CS was a mistake, and couldn't remove it due to the community.
- Bunny hopping. Stupid and in y eyes an abuse of game mechanics. Being 60% quicker than anyone else by hopping? feth that.

These could be OK by themselves. But the community is pure cancer. Stopped any friend requests unless I gave them due to scammer trying to steal my weapon skins or people wanting to trade EVEN THOUGH I PUT INVENTORY NOT FOR SALE ON MY PROFILE. Hackers being a big problem and good players on alt accounts literally blasting on newer, under skilled players, essentially blocking them from ranking. Play unranked if you want fun you gakkers.

All in all, got my rank after 10 games, decided I can't be dealing with this gak, so I sold my stuff, uninstall the game, and went to play DayZ, which was excellent (if a little rough)

X-com 2. Partly the timers, partly the feel of the already conquered setting, but it just did nothing to grab me. Too much random generation and 'but they're going to blow up <random thing> for no apparent reason if we don't stand next to it in an unspecified amount of time that amounts for a handful of turns'.

Not exactly pulling me in on the strength of the narrative.

I do my best to see single player games through to the end. I will try almost any game to see if I like it in the first few levels or hours. I walk away from a lot of them, because I don't find them fun or its just not my style of game. I don't really think I have given up on those games. Just never really started playing fully.

However, there are games I have played a lot of and just suddenly dropped because of one reason or another.

The Division - I was so excited about this game. My friends were all excited about it. We were on there on the day of release, making out agents and finding each other. Blasting through the campaign(which I thought was fun) and landing in end game pretty quick. That is when things went south, real fast. If I play a game where I have to gear myself up and fight enemies, I should never be one shot by trash mobs. Shotguns in the end game? Useless for players. Shotguns for NPCs? This is my boomstick! Nothing like getting charged by a guy, each squadmate emptying entire clips/magazines/whatever in to the guy and barely putting a dent in him. The game had great potential, but it was thrown away when they refused to change mechanics like that and fix game breaking bugs. Like duping.

Player Unknowns Battlegrounds - Great game, tons of fun still. My friends take it way too seriously and rage quite a bit. Ruined the whole experience for me.

I couldn't get on with Fallout: New Vegas at all. I came to it after Fallout 4 and it was just such a step down in mechanics (the shooting especially, clunky in the extreme) and graphics that the quality of the writing wasn't enough to carry it. After about 3-4 hours of walking through a world that is 90% brown things with the odd grey thing, and not managing to hit anything more than about 5 feet away, I ditched it.

Elder Scrolls Online also suffered from the same thing; being a much worse version of a much better game (obviously Skyrim, in this case). All the open-ended exploration and quests I expect from Bethesda replaced with endless rinse-and-repeat quests where you have to complete the same set of objectives 3 times and progression slowed to a snail's pace by comparison to Skyrim. And again, worse graphics and worse combat sealed it's fate.

I think of New Vegas as one of the most overhyped games of all time. There are barely any characters to interact with, and the 'story' is basically follow the pointless plot until it pushes you toward the horrible bullet sponge boss fight of no meaning or purpose. Obsidian is just terrible at Act 3 and endings in general.

To me it is isn't better than FO3, just more of the exact same. Except with extra nostalgia glasses for FO1.

The only game that comes close to its overhyped reputation among its fans is the horrible Vampire game by Troika. It teases you as an RPG with decisions and hints at consequences, but quickly mutates to a very basic and really bad shooter with horrible mechanics, lots of boss fights and an endless string of murder-porn.

I admit, not many games have broken me. Not that I'm an amazing gamer (I'm really quite bad), it's just a thing I have about spending money on games and not getting it back in play time.

But, that being said:

Vanquish - Great idea for a game. Great graphics, combat, hell - even the voice acting was good. The story...I dunno, it's been awhile but I feel like I couldn't understand what was going on (a theme I've noticed with some obviously imported games), which killed a lot of enthusiasm for it. Plus the difficulty was ridiculous - the game punished you for every misstep.

The Dark Souls series - Yeah, I know, I'm a pleb or something. But I tell you, I hate this series with a passion, not because of the fanbase being toxic as hell (played enough mmo's to be immune to that), but because of the design philosophy. Make a beautiful game, insert well done characters (Onion Bro, *sniffle*), create an entire world...and then make it buggy and impossible to navigate. I don't get why the whole 'it's painfully difficult and that's why its fun, remember how hard those NES games were? PAIN IS FUN' thing that accompanies the series. Depressingly I've purchased DS1-DS3 and their DLC in an attempt to TRY to understand - and I regret it every time.

Battlefleet Gothic Armada - God I wanted to love this game. I was so excited when it came out...and after playing 'capture the intel' a half-dozen times I uninstalled the game. It's like whoever designed that game mode KNEW that it was stupid and wanted to make it as lame as possible. I'm surprised they didn't introduce a limit to the number of times you could board the enemy vessel in an attempt to make the whole process seem 'fluffy'.

Darksiders 2, so dull and uninteresting after the original.

Prey, all that gravity inverting made my nauseous.

But the most disappointment came from Fable 3. They really knew how to strip away the best bits of a franchise, and overemphasize and complicate the worst.

 Frankenberry wrote:

The Dark Souls series - Yeah, I know, I'm a pleb or something. But I tell you, I hate this series with a passion, not because of the fanbase being toxic as hell (played enough mmo's to be immune to that), but because of the design philosophy. Make a beautiful game, insert well done characters (Onion Bro, *sniffle*), create an entire world...and then make it buggy and impossible to navigate. I don't get why the whole 'it's painfully difficult and that's why its fun, remember how hard those NES games were? PAIN IS FUN' thing that accompanies the series. Depressingly I've purchased DS1-DS3 and their DLC in an attempt to TRY to understand - and I regret it every time.

To be honest, I consider Dark Souls to be an example of genuinely poor game design. There's making a game hard, then there's filling a game with cheap shots badly tutorialising the core mechanics and providing the player with no guidance whatsoever. It's just lazy passed off as challenging. To be fair, it is challenging, but not because of good AI or clever level design or interesting mechanics, just because it sends you out with no idea what to do, then punishes you to an extreme degree every time you screw up. I also find the whole 'do the same bit over and over until you're better at it' stuff to just be boring, it becomes more of a grind than an MMO at that point.

Which is a terrible shame, as DS remains one of the most beautiful and aesthetically unique game series around, DS3 has some absolutely stunning visuals, just marred by what I consider to be very lazy game design on the mechanical end.

I'm quite the dark souls fan and I quite enjoy it.


Anyway this thread isn't about the pros and cons of souls.


But the one game I just can't get into is Doom. For some reason me and the new Doom just don't get on. Despite me playing and finishing the old doom, and being quite partial to fps games.

Paradigm wrote:

To be honest, I consider Dark Souls to be an example of genuinely poor game design. There's making a game hard, then there's filling a game with cheap shots badly tutorialising the core mechanics and providing the player with no guidance whatsoever. It's just lazy passed off as challenging. To be fair, it is challenging, but not because of good AI or clever level design or interesting mechanics, just because it sends you out with no idea what to do, then punishes you to an extreme degree every time you screw up. I also find the whole 'do the same bit over and over until you're better at it' stuff to just be boring, it becomes more of a grind than an MMO at that point.

Which is a terrible shame, as DS remains one of the most beautiful and aesthetically unique game series around, DS3 has some absolutely stunning visuals, just marred by what I consider to be very lazy game design on the mechanical end.

Well said! Essentially what I was trying to get out but was failing to.

welshhoppo wrote:I'm quite the dark souls fan and I quite enjoy it.


Anyway this thread isn't about the pros and cons of souls.


But the one game I just can't get into is Doom. For some reason me and the new Doom just don't get on. Despite me playing and finishing the old doom, and being quite partial to fps games.

Fair point and bummer about not being able to get into Doom 2016, I'm a massive fan of that game. Then again the whole last stand and mega violence mixed with a badass metal soundtrack meets every checkbox for a game for me, heh.

On topic:

There were a few NES games as a kid I just didn't bother with; one involved playing as this astronaut running around a planet picking up all these pieces of his star ship both in a small pod and as a dude. It was beyond frustrating. There was another game, a Rocky and Bullwinkle one (probably the only one) that was so badly done I couldn't get past level 1.

World of Tanks, because other people make me want to commit mass-murder.

The Witcher 3, because... I'm not really sure. I just have no motivation to play it. It's not a bad game, and I don't dislike it, but I see it in my library and think "maybe some other time".

Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, because I was 7 years old and the time mechanic got on my nerves.

The Witcher 3. Got 2 hours in but just didn't get hooked.

I also forgot the Witcher3.


It's a good game, but I keep putting it down for weeks at a time to play something else instead. The glitches are annoying (as a console player I don't get access to mods to fix problems) and something about it kept grinding me.


As for Doom, my biggest problem was that I found it boring.

Fallout 4 made me feel physically ill because the FOV was fixed at a stupidly low number. After an hour of what felt like shooting at things through a cardboard tube I had to stop and uninstall it.

I know there are some FOV mods about, but after spending hours trying to get the mods I wanted in place to play the game, I really didn't feel like spending any more time on it.


I've also tried to get into Skyrim 5 times since its release. Each time I've played it for about 5 hours then forgot about it. Not bashing the game mechanically but I really don't understand what all the fuss was about to this day.

I stopped playing Amnesia the Dark Descent, during the beginning of the prison level. I was all out of oil and I was hearing weird noises (new enemy introduced in that level), so I quit playing it. BRAVERY!!!

 Ashiraya wrote:
The Witcher 3. Got 2 hours in but just didn't get hooked.

I forgot about this one, mainly because I didn't try very hard. The narrative and main character are just such a road-block for me. The setting is fairly interesting (in that it tries to show how people would adapt to and deal with monsters and magic running around in the world), and I'd be OK with a make-your-own witcher or sorceress and just exploring.
But I don't care about Geralt, his harem or the bajillions of sidequests that distract from the supposedly important main quest.

I ran into similar problems with The Witcher 3 the first time I tried playing it, ended up dropping it after a few days as Geralt is just the most boring protagonist ever (his only redeeming feature the odd snarky one-liner) but picking it up again recently I got on a lot better.

Maybe that's just because I understood the mechanics, or knew what to expect from the plot and characters a little more, but I think a big part of it is that I actually went out and explored, systematically crossing off location and side-quest markers instead of just pinging from one main quest to another. The game world is so beautifully put together that you can't help but enjoy just exploring it, and doing that meant I was able to stay on top of the power curve and not run into impossible fights in the main quest.

I agree though that a game built on the same framework with similar combat, mechanics, scale and world design but where you had proper character creation and could pick actual classes ect would be amazing. I actually found the segments of the main quest where you play as Ciri a lot more interesting, at least she has a personality!

I have to disagree with everyone saying something bad about Dark Souls, because apart from a few exceptions, it's the game series that treats the player more fairly than everything else. If you die, it's your fault every time. The tutorials suck though, totally agree here. If you managed to get into it, it's not really that hard either.

My list:
- Witcher 3. I just can't keep on playing it. I pause for days, weeks even. But I want to get into it. Witcher 1 was okay, loved Witcher 2. I don't know if the build up is too slow or it's the open world, it's really... I don't know.

- Skyrim: every time I start playing it, I mod the hell out of it first, but after 10/20/30/... hours, I lose interest. The quests are shallow, fights are not challenging.

Can't think of anything else right now, because while I give up on a lot of games initially, I mostly come back around to them and finish them, even years later.

The Walking Dead season 2 from Telltale Games. I quit halfway through as I got tired of the characters constantly picking up the idiot ball and making things worse and worse for their selves.


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After going through my list of Steam games..

RAGE. Which I dropped after I got to the point that the faction allied to the player called THE RESISTANCE decided to make a stand against the big bad of the game, THE AUTHORITY. Ugh.

2064: ROM, which was already an okay adventure game, but trying too hard with some things. Then they patched in really dodgy voice lines (with some "actors" using really gakky mics) and well, not going to finish it ever.

Shadwen, which has a neat mechanic, but seems to go the same route as Dishonoured, where the assassin will be punished for DOING HER fething JOB. "Oh no assassin, what you do is bad and wrong. You are badong."

Game? Singular?

These days I give up on more games than I finish. My Steam list in a veritable graveyard of unfinished games.

Assassin's Creed Brotherhood - enjoy the series but just stopped half way through this one.

Batman Games - Got through Arkham City but got bored with the others.

Bioshock - Excellent story wrapped in a terrible game. Got about a third the way through.

Borderlands 2 - Enjoyed the first and went straight on to the 2nd but got sick of it a few hours in.

Dead Rising 2 - Only played a few hours.

Dead Space - Was loving this game but it gave me motion sickness.

Fallout New Vegas - Bethesda games usually just get boring after a while, NV got boring before I finished it.

Far Cry 3 - Only played a few hours.

Half Life 2 - Probably going to get crucified, but only played a few hours. I probably came in to it to late, after it'd been so tremendously hyped up and I just couldn't get in to it.

Hard Reset - Only played a few hours.

Just Cause 2 - Played 7 hours before getting sick of it.

Metro2033 - Only played a few hours.

Shadow of Morder - Only played for about 2 hours.

Space Hulk Deathwing - Was actually enjoying it, went away on holiday, came back and couldn't get back in to it.

Star Wars KOTR2 - Probably started playing it too recently. Enjoyed the first but don't feel the 2nd one aged well enough for me to get in to it.

Star Wars Republic Commando - Only played a few hours.

Tomb Raider (recent one) - Only played a few hours.

That's not including a bunch of games I've played for under an hour before throwing in the towel

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Game? Singular?

These days I give up on more games than I finish. My Steam list in a veritable graveyard of unfinished games.

Assassin's Creed Brotherhood - enjoy the series but just stopped half way through this one.

Borderlands 2 - Enjoyed the first and went straight on to the 2nd but got sick of it a few hours in.

Far Cry 3 - Only played a few hours.

Half Life 2 - Probably going to get crucified, but only played a few hours. I probably came in to it to late, after it'd been so tremendously hyped up and I just couldn't get in to it.

Hard Reset - Only played a few hours.

Just Cause 2 - Played 7 hours before getting sick of it.

Tomb Raider (recent one) - Only played a few hours.

That's not including a bunch of games I've played for under an hour before throwing in the towel

Been in the same situation lots of times, now that I think about it.
1) Anyways, Brotherhood I had quit playing at first, because I got somewhat bored of the tower burning and similar missions here and there, but I came back to finish it at a later time and I even got the Romulus armor, which was pretty cool.
2) Started playing Borderlands 2, but I couldn't get into it.
3) Far Cry 3 was pretty fun in my opinion and I loved Vaas as a character. Plus the ending felt great with the relaxed music playing on the background as the credits rolled. I would also recommend Blood Dragon, because it had that cool futuristic 80s style and crazy laser weapons coupled with cyborg soldiers and mechanical dinosaurs (nuff said)!
4) Half Life 2: Whether you believe it or not, the first time I played it I got scared and nervous by the Combine chase at the beginning, so I quit, but then I did a Half Life marathon and I beat every game in the series, excluding the first game expansions and I enjoyed them all.
5) Finished Hard Reset, but it became tedious very fast, since it just locked you in a room with annoying enemies, you died a couple of times before killing them, then you move some steps ahead and well, what do you know? ANOTHER ARENA FIGHT AGAIN!!! (it is the first time that I wasn't happy with free DLC, called Exile here, because I couldn't take more of that tedious gameplay)
6) Just Cause 2: It is fun for some time with the explosions, but having to fill the destruction meter, in order to progress the campaign was bs. And the gameplay is very samey.
7) Finished Tomb Raider and it was quite a nice game.

Now for some more games that I haven't finished yet (they just came to my mind):
1) Tomb Raider series (Tomb Raider 2, Chronicles, Legend, Underworld, iirc), because I found them really boring and the mood in the game was inducing boredom to me (I don't know why, but I didn't like those games much). And the first Tomb Raiders were god awful in terms of looks (I usually don't care about graphics, but having puke brown and puke green low poly models and textures everywhere is not nice).
2) Hitman Contracts: I wanted to like it, like with Blood Money, which I finished, but got stuck at the 2nd-3rd level and it wasn't fun searching for a route (it was hard for me).
3) Outlast: Was playing it with my friends, in my friend's computer and I got to the crazy doctor, but I couldn't find the elevator key, so I quit.
4) Resident Evil Operation Raccoon City: Got it for 5 euros, but it was awful in gameplay, story and generally every aspect of it. BEWARE DAKKA MEMBERS, STAY AWAY FROM THIS GAME!!! THAT'S AN ORDER!!! YOU WILL REGRET BUYING IT, EVEN IF YOU GOT IT FOR FREE!!!
5) Wolfenstein 2009: I was going pretty well, but I got bored of it, at a point where enemies started becoming supernatural and very bullet spongey.
6) Fuel: Fun racer with nice physics and huge world, but I never liked racing games much, so I stopped playing it after doing 25-50%.

Also to all the people saying Witcher 3, Witcher 3 is basically the game that got me back in to gaming in recent years. It's one of the few single player games I've finished in the past 5 years and the only single player game I've spent more than 20 hours in ages.

Admittedly it does start a bit slow, I was probably ready to throw in the towel after an hour or two, but once I got out of White Orchad the game just opened up and sucked me in hook line and sinker. Including the expansions according to Steam I've played it for ~170 hours, which is way more than any single player game I've ever played (Skyrim probably comes in 2nd at 65 hours). The expansions; Blood and Wine is an incredibly rich expansion and could easily be a game in its own right, Hearts of Stone isn't as expansive but it's one of the best video game stories I've played through in recent memory.

Geralt does come across as a bit of a boring character on the outside, but the more you play him the more you figure out he's just unemotional on the outside but deeper once you get under the surface of him. I think the Witcher games would be far less interesting if they were a make-you-own character game. Skyrim for example is a very shallow feeling game after playing The Witcher 3.


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 KRIEGEEEEER wrote:
5) Wolfenstein 2009: I was going pretty well, but I got bored of it, at a point where enemies started becoming supernatural and very bullet spongey.

I always found Wolfenstein games fun right up until the supernatural bits then I'm just rushing to get them finished.

6) Fuel: Fun racer with nice physics and huge world, but I never liked racing games much, so I stopped playing it after doing 25-50%.

I actually skipped racing games on my list, I like racing sims, have a G25 steering wheel that I bought back in college. As such there's a bunch of racing games that I have played for a few hours, lol. Haven't pulled the wheel out in years though.

There are very few games I've truly "given up" on. Outlast was one of them. I wanted to play it, really did, but I just can't do the jumpscare style of horror game.
There are, however, a lot of games I've just lost interest in after playing awhile, but I think that's normal for everyone.
I worry Subnautica will be a game I give up on. I really love that game, but I haven't really progressed very far (story-wise), as it scares the heebie-jeebies out of me every time I even just look at the deep, dark areas, let alone actually go into them.

I downloaded Dark Souls 3 the other day, really thought I would like it but I just couldn't get into it. I love how Steam gives you refunds for games you hate. got Battlefield 1 instead, and loving the campaign so far.

Divinity - Original Sin. Just started over the weekend, I gave up on it about 4 times yesterday, after trying to complete just the most basic of missions beyond Cyseal town, and getting annihilated by absolutely everything.

I expect to give up on it again at least twice tonight, with my personal cooldown timer running between attempts.

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 KRIEGEEEEER wrote:
5) Wolfenstein 2009: I was going pretty well, but I got bored of it, at a point where enemies started becoming supernatural and very bullet spongey.

I always found Wolfenstein games fun right up until the supernatural bits then I'm just rushing to get them finished.

6) Fuel: Fun racer with nice physics and huge world, but I never liked racing games much, so I stopped playing it after doing 25-50%.

I actually skipped racing games on my list, I like racing sims, have a G25 steering wheel that I bought back in college. As such there's a bunch of racing games that I have played for a few hours, lol. Haven't pulled the wheel out in years though.

Well, I haven't played much of the Wolfenstein games. I was always more of a classic Doom fan, though I want to play Wolfenstein 3d sometime and I also got Return to Castle Wolfenstein on a Steam sale.

And are steering wheels easy to use on games? I know racing games become more interactive this way, but I have never tried one out, except in some arcade games.
Also, now I remembered the reason why I shouldn't have mentioned a racing game. I used to play Grand Turismo 4 and despite liking the game very much, I played so randomly that I got only at 25%. Vs battles with friends in that game were awesome though!

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Also to all the people saying Witcher 3, Witcher 3 is basically the game that got me back in to gaming in recent years. It's one of the few single player games I've finished in the past 5 years and the only single player game I've spent more than 20 hours in ages.

Admittedly it does start a bit slow, I was probably ready to throw in the towel after an hour or two, but once I got out of White Orchad the game just opened up and sucked me in hook line and sinker. Including the expansions according to Steam I've played it for ~170 hours, which is way more than any single player game I've ever played (Skyrim probably comes in 2nd at 65 hours). The expansions; Blood and Wine is an incredibly rich expansion and could easily be a game in its own right, Hearts of Stone isn't as expansive but it's one of the best video game stories I've played through in recent memory.

Geralt does come across as a bit of a boring character on the outside, but the more you play him the more you figure out he's just unemotional on the outside but deeper once you get under the surface of him. I think the Witcher games would be far less interesting if they were a make-you-own character game. Skyrim for example is a very shallow feeling game after playing The Witcher 3.

It isn't at all that he's unemotional, it's that he's emotional about the wrong (or random) things, and doesn't express it in a relatable way. He's got too many obsessions and too much baggage, all of which are inadequately explained and suddenly pulled out at the drop of a hat.
For me personally, the problem is the game is designed to provoke reactions out of Geralt, who has a very limited set of responses. But it prioritizes Geralt over the player- its a personal story about people I don't know, don't care about, and as it goes on, don't actually like as people. Which is a huge turnoff.


Skyrim is shallow, but it isn't because of the custom character. It's shallow because it's an exploration game, and the RPG and story elements are paper thin. Both the dragon thing and the civil war thing are a couple dozen lines of dialogue and there isn't much to interact with.

Xcom 2 War of the Chosen gave up on me. Ironman/Commander. Final level that took a long time to get too. Doing well so far and then it crashes a lot. As the game had been going on crashes and freezes were becoming more frequent. Anyways half way through the final level the game refused to move to a next turn. The over watch hang bug, or a turn hang bug, or simple crashes would always prevent me from going on. I tried all sorts of fixes and nothing worked.

After that I uninstalled X-Com 2 and am never going back. A game expansion that could have been my expansion of the year and turned X-Com 2 into my RTS of the year and one of the best of all time ruined. I had fun on the way true, but the whole point of ironman is to beat it as a challenge which I can't do.

X-Com 2 WOTC is now dead to me.

The battle of Tallarn and battle of Armageddon computer games. The game was so tactically inflexible.

I am shocked. I have never seen a forum have so much people gaking on the witcher 3 in one place. I think this forum is the collected mass of about 99% of the witcher haters out there or something lol.

I don't care you don't like it, not everyone likes everything. It's just the only time I've seen so many in one place is all.

Destiny, and the SW battlefront reboot a year or couple years back. No point in playing those...

 Gamgee wrote:
. A game expansion that could have been my expansion of the year and turned X-Com 2 into my RTS of the year and one of the best of all time ruined.

Huh. Undocumented feature of the expansion, or just a bug?

 Gamgee wrote:
I am shocked. I have never seen a forum have so much people gaking on the witcher 3 in one place. I think this forum is the collected mass of about 99% of the witcher haters out there or something lol.

I don't care you don't like it, not everyone likes everything. It's just the only time I've seen so many in one place is all.

It's a good game, I just find the glitches annoy the hell out of me.

Like sometimes I'll start a race in the void and then die, or mid conversation the person I'm talking with will walk away, the music is all over the place, and there is a delay between sound and combat. It just feels like a buggy mess to me. Not sure if I'm just really unlucky but it really annoys me.

Voss wrote:
It isn't at all that he's unemotional, it's that he's emotional about the wrong (or random) things, and doesn't express it in a relatable way. He's got too many obsessions and too much baggage, all of which are inadequately explained and suddenly pulled out at the drop of a hat.
For me personally, the problem is the game is designed to provoke reactions out of Geralt, who has a very limited set of responses. But it prioritizes Geralt over the player- its a personal story about people I don't know, don't care about, and as it goes on, don't actually like as people. Which is a huge turnoff.

I guess the more I played the more I could relate to Geralt and prefer the fact it prioritises the character in the game over the character the player invents in their head.

I can understand the "pulled out at the drop of a hat" thing, but mainly in the sense there were a lot of situations where I felt there was background knowledge Geralt had that I didn't.

I still much prefer it over a make-your-own-character game though, I think that genre is way over rated. Though maybe this forum with it's high percentage of folks who play real life RPG's is biased the other way.


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 welshhoppo wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I am shocked. I have never seen a forum have so much people gaking on the witcher 3 in one place. I think this forum is the collected mass of about 99% of the witcher haters out there or something lol.

I don't care you don't like it, not everyone likes everything. It's just the only time I've seen so many in one place is all.

It's a good game, I just find the glitches annoy the hell out of me.

Like sometimes I'll start a race in the void and then die, or mid conversation the person I'm talking with will walk away, the music is all over the place, and there is a delay between sound and combat. It just feels like a buggy mess to me. Not sure if I'm just really unlucky but it really annoys me.

Sounds like you were unlucky. I played the game for 170 hours and didn't experience anyone walking away, problematic music or any delay between sound and combat. In that whole time I came across maybe 1 or 2 bugs. Unless you count Roach appearing where you can't reach or ride him a bug, but at this point I consider that a design feature rather than a bug

I am shocked. I have never seen a forum have so much people gaking on the witcher 3 in one place. I think this forum is the collected mass of about 99% of the witcher haters out there or something lol.

Haha me too!
Having said that you can put me in the category of also having given up on it!
I'll get back to it at some stage probably.....

 Gamgee wrote:
I am shocked. I have never seen a forum have so much people gaking on the witcher 3 in one place. I think this forum is the collected mass of about 99% of the witcher haters out there or something lol.

I don't care you don't like it, not everyone likes everything. It's just the only time I've seen so many in one place is all.

For my part the game simply did not catch my intrest, I found most of the characthers absolute unintresting and the game did not offer any real challenges at any point in the game. That and the countless erradans you need to run

 Trondheim wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I am shocked. I have never seen a forum have so much people gaking on the witcher 3 in one place. I think this forum is the collected mass of about 99% of the witcher haters out there or something lol.

I don't care you don't like it, not everyone likes everything. It's just the only time I've seen so many in one place is all.

For my part the game simply did not catch my intrest, I found most of the characthers absolute unintresting and the game did not offer any real challenges at any point in the game. That and the countless erradans you need to run

Did you turn on the setting that scales quests and monsters up to your level if you outlevel them?

Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines.
Not the game persee, but one of the missions. Now anyone whom has played it before will know immediately which mission I am talking about, and they will be correct.
The Graveyard mission.

For those that have not played the game, VTM:Bloodlines is a game where one plays as a Vampire in the old WoD setting. The game is actually pretty fun despite being somewhat limited in its options (few places to explore, no real physical character customisation, etc) and makes for a fun RPG, as well as introduction to the WoD setting. There are issues here and there (if you build you Vampire wrong you will have a hard time) and some enemies are extremely powerful and/or difficult, as well as one or two obscure sidequests needing to be activated before you complete certain main quests or you end up being unable to complete them, or the Sewer Quest that is for all intents and purposes a nightmare crawl through hell where everything can and will kill you and you had better be a stealth or combat build and have good equipment, or else have fun.

However nothing is as bad as the Graveyard Quest.
This is a very sidequest, infamous amongst the players, that is known for being virtually impossible to complete. Put simply you have to take over the job of guarding a graveyard for the usual guard whilst he goes and enjoys some hookers. All you have to do is ensure that nothing gets out. Simple right, I mean even a mortal ghoul (a human who is in the service of a powerful Vampire) can do it with no issues. Your a super strong super tough super powerful vampire with all these cool special abilities, it should be easy right? Just beat the undead brainless and make sure the massive, tough, super strong gates do not break. Not a problem.
It is by far the worst quest on that game.
Initially the zombie spawns are easy to counter, and you can run to the bottom gate, bash any undead near it, run to the top gate and do the same then rinse and repeat, but as the timer counts down the zombie spawns increase and it takes longer and longer to clear them from the gates. Furthermore if a zombie catches you then it can grab you and try to eat your BRAAAAIIINNNS! which, whilst not too much of a physical issue, essentially immobilises your character for several seconds which allows the zombies to build up, and because zombies spawn throughout the graveyard you have to be careful to avoid being bitten as you travel between the gates.
Initially it seems doable, and even up to the last minute seems difficult but not impossible, but in the last 30 seconds the spawns multiply by something stupid, and no matter how hard you try it is impossible to keep both gates clear. One invariably falls and the quest is failed.

So far there have been two confirmed solutions. The first is to take a class with Celerity and max out that plus your CC skills, get a fireaxe and as many bloodpacks as you can carry then attack one group, pop celerity and run to the other gate, clear that and repeat. Every time celerity wears off pop it again and keep your blood topped up with bloodpacks. It is costly and difficult and questionable in its efficiency and reliability.
The other is to take a good shooting class, max out your firearms skill (thus voiding a good chunk of the rewards) and wait until lategame. Grab a sniperrifle and platform up some tombs and onto the wall between the two gates, then pop the zombies off from this position. This is actually more of an exploit as it takes Mario levels of platforming to get up and the wall was clearly never intended to be accessible.
Some people have made videos of themselves doing it in other ways, but these are rare and never replicable.

In all honesty it is one of the worst mission within the game, and even with the unofficial patch proved to be virtually impossible without the correct build, even if the HP of the gates was vastly increased. Nothing, and I mean nothing, was as bad as this in the entire rest of the game. Not one thing.

Mass Effect: Andromeda. Don't get me wrong. I love Mass Effect. I've played Mass Effect 1-3 as a series binge at least 3-4 times. It's not that I make different choices either because I make the same choices or very slightly different dialogue choices. I just love the experience. The shooting, the atmosphere, the characters, the story. All of it is great. My favorite RPG series of all time. I own all the story DLC because I wanted more. But Andromeda? On the surface it's a good 3rd person shooter game. Something just felt... off. Like, I wasn't finding myself immersed or engaged. I found the characters just... not interesting and the story took forever to get started. But that would've been fine if it felt like it was all leading up to something. Or if the plot hooked me. I don't know. It just felt very bland and uninspired.

Like, when you start Mass Effect 1 you get an intro that introduces several main characters, the main bad guys and has some really good voice acting. You have Keith David and Seth Green giving great performances with tight writing. With 2 you get an atmospheric as hell cut scene with the Illusive Man voiced by none other than Martin Sheen. The lighting is great and the main villains are introduced in a very powerful and impactful way. If you played all the way through Mass Effect 1 basically your home, the Normandy, gets destroyed. Your character dies. Three begins with earth being destroyed by the Reapers and one of the most famous pieces of music in the trilogy's history. Andromeda? It starts off with some narrator talking about some thing before you have to spend minutes walking around a boring space station with voice actors who just don't leave as much of an impact. Sure, the villains are also introduced but the Kett just don't leave much an impression either. The Reapers were ominous. The Collectors were mysterious. The Kett? Just some aliens with guns.

This is all subjective and I'm sure some will disagree with me. But this is a big part of the reason why I gave up on ME:A.

Dragon Age 2, Dragon Inquisition I dropped the games because of their control schemes and how to play them. i also dropped overwatch, hearthstone, and diablo 3 once I realized "These are just wasting my time."

I have stopped playing hearthstone and I've never been more happier.

Skyrim and Fall Out 4 yeah I put 200 hours into both of them but.... After the first two months of play. I got every mod to make it more difficult more fun, more interesting items, but I realized there was nothing really there for me as a gamer, plus once you kind of explored the whole map there really is nothing left to do another than the pointless radiant or story quests that were incredibly boring and poorly written. (Sorry ES Fans). I would just go back and play the witcher 3 instead.

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Trondheim wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I am shocked. I have never seen a forum have so much people gaking on the witcher 3 in one place. I think this forum is the collected mass of about 99% of the witcher haters out there or something lol.

I don't care you don't like it, not everyone likes everything. It's just the only time I've seen so many in one place is all.

For my part the game simply did not catch my intrest, I found most of the characthers absolute unintresting and the game did not offer any real challenges at any point in the game. That and the countless erradans you need to run

Did you turn on the setting that scales quests and monsters up to your level if you outlevel them?

Yes I did that quite early on so that I would hopefully avoid this problem, sadly it did not work out.


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 TheCustomLime wrote:
Mass Effect: Andromeda. Don't get me wrong. I love Mass Effect. I've played Mass Effect 1-3 as a series binge at least 3-4 times. It's not that I make different choices either because I make the same choices or very slightly different dialogue choices. I just love the experience. The shooting, the atmosphere, the characters, the story. All of it is great. My favorite RPG series of all time. I own all the story DLC because I wanted more. But Andromeda? On the surface it's a good 3rd person shooter game. Something just felt... off. Like, I wasn't finding myself immersed or engaged. I found the characters just... not interesting and the story took forever to get started. But that would've been fine if it felt like it was all leading up to something. Or if the plot hooked me. I don't know. It just felt very bland and uninspired.

Like, when you start Mass Effect 1 you get an intro that introduces several main characters, the main bad guys and has some really good voice acting. You have Keith David and Seth Green giving great performances with tight writing. With 2 you get an atmospheric as hell cut scene with the Illusive Man voiced by none other than Martin Sheen. The lighting is great and the main villains are introduced in a very powerful and impactful way. If you played all the way through Mass Effect 1 basically your home, the Normandy, gets destroyed. Your character dies. Three begins with earth being destroyed by the Reapers and one of the most famous pieces of music in the trilogy's history. Andromeda? It starts off with some narrator talking about some thing before you have to spend minutes walking around a boring space station with voice actors who just don't leave as much of an impact. Sure, the villains are also introduced but the Kett just don't leave much an impression either. The Reapers were ominous. The Collectors were mysterious. The Kett? Just some aliens with guns.

This is all subjective and I'm sure some will disagree with me. But this is a big part of the reason why I gave up on ME:A.

I wholeheartly agree with you on that game, ME A just felt like a sloppy DLC of some sort, they also failed to build up the tension and feeling of danger you got in the older ME games

Im not surprised by all the Dark Souls hate. I gave up on that game 2 weeks after the first one came out. But about 2 years or so ago I started watching lore videos and once I could see the stories explained, I fell back in love with the series and it is close to becoming one of my most played games. For those who hated it, try watching anything by TheAshenHollow, VaatiVidya, or TheDemodcracy on youtube. Of course we all have different tastes and I would never say "You're a scrub and L2play the game pleb". But maybe what worked for me will work for you.

Anyways, I am glad I am not the only one who feels this way about The Witcher 3. I just could never get into it and I don't know why. In fact, a friend of mine and I are going to sit down together and play the game on 2 separate TV's to see if we can push each other to get past whatever hump is stopping us from playing it.

I also gave up on Overwatch, Battlefield 1, and the metro series. Though I have never been a big FPS player so that may have a lot to do with it.

I've never finished or even come close to finishing pillars of eternity, despite actually really liking it. It's a problem i have with any rpg where you can create your character: i enjoy the character creation too much so i keep making new ones and never getting far into the game.

I had the same problem with the first dragon age game for a long whille

 Boyofdestiny205 wrote:
Im not surprised by all the Dark Souls hate. I gave up on that game 2 weeks after the first one came out. But about 2 years or so ago I started watching lore videos and once I could see the stories explained, I fell back in love with the series and it is close to becoming one of my most played games. For those who hated it, try watching anything by TheAshenHollow, VaatiVidya, or TheDemodcracy on youtube. Of course we all have different tastes and I would never say "You're a scrub and L2play the game pleb". But maybe what worked for me will work for you.

Anyways, I am glad I am not the only one who feels this way about The Witcher 3. I just could never get into it and I don't know why. In fact, a friend of mine and I are going to sit down together and play the game on 2 separate TV's to see if we can push each other to get past whatever hump is stopping us from playing it.

To be honest, that's why I wish DS wasn't so bastard hard. I love the look of the world, the aesthetic, the way they hide fascinating lore away all over the place. I see DS3's world and I wish I could just go off an explore that and find its secrets and stories like you can in Skyrim or DA Inquisition or Witcher 3, but instead you have to be so focused on the gameplay that it can become hard to focus on the background.

As much as I've been getting on with it a bit better recently, Witcher 3 for me has the opposite problem; I love the combat mechanics, I love exploring the worldspace, but I just feel those things transposed into any other setting would be even more appealing... Heck, give me Witcher 3 combat and exploration in Dark Souls 3's worldscape and aesthetic and I'm basically in heaven... Murdery gothic grimdark heaven, but at least one I might last longer than 5 minutes it...


Getting back to the topic, and also continuing the theme of great games I just couldn't get on with, Red Dead Redemption. Beautiful game, top-quality voice acting and script, stunning soundtrack, the ultimate Western movie experience in game form... and yet I could never get past the first chunk of the first act. I think my problem came down to it being a massive, great-looking open world but not one that encouraging Skyriming about to explore it; instead, it's a game built around the story and the missions, and I just found myself wanting more to do in the world (hopefully RDR2 will add something like that).

One day I'll go back and finish it, as it is a wonderful game that deserves to be completed, but I just need to keep myself focused on moving the story along, normally in open world games I'll be off side-questing as soon as I can and forget the main plot for hours at a time, and RDR doesn't really want you to do that.

I'm quite the darksouls fan and find the games difficulty intresting. I fell in love with deamon souls and have always been happy to take another trip into the bleak world of dark souls. though every itteration seems to have more cathedrals, which bugs me a little. Give me more over the top fantasy settings, not just big castles. I find the frustrating difficulty a perfect ingame paralell to what the main character (you) are going through and what the undead curse even means. Why continue fighting at all?

As for my own game I gave up on I have to say battle brothers. I absolutely love it but lategame just grindnig for renown so that I can end the game with a slightly flashier screenshot feels... Well, grindy. I just ended it itself, deciding not to complete the whole thing. Still highly recomend it to anyone, it's definetly worth it's price.

@Trondheim off topic but recently dusted off and played fall from heaven 2. I must commend you on your avatar.

 Trondheim wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Trondheim wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I am shocked. I have never seen a forum have so much people gaking on the witcher 3 in one place. I think this forum is the collected mass of about 99% of the witcher haters out there or something lol.

I don't care you don't like it, not everyone likes everything. It's just the only time I've seen so many in one place is all.

For my part the game simply did not catch my intrest, I found most of the characthers absolute unintresting and the game did not offer any real challenges at any point in the game. That and the countless erradans you need to run

Did you turn on the setting that scales quests and monsters up to your level if you outlevel them?

Yes I did that quite early on so that I would hopefully avoid this problem, sadly it did not work out.

Cool, were you aware that there was a bug in certain points of the game where you would have to turn that feature off or you could not possibly progress past the quest, because it raised the difficulty too high?

It does seem like the games that seem to get dropped or on an awfully long hold seem to be series games.

- Witcher 3... I loved the series, 1st game was amazing. This one, I really do not know what to say other than it felt boring, less depth, interface was getting a bit on the irritating side. Sorry to add myself to the "disproportionate haterz" here.
- Space Pirates vs Zombies 2: Really liked the first one, it was a surprise to me. #2 is just... a bit of a mess.
- Mass Effect Andromeda: Started off thinking it takes time to ease into it. All I can say is the prior companions to your character are brutal contrast to the ones in this game: a decided lack of character it feels. A bit of a pause, think a little, maybe get back into it.
- DragonAge Inquisitor - Burnout? High expectations? Not sure. Kinda weak to me. I look back at what I list here and wonder what went wrong with them or me.
- Just Cause 3: Trying hard again. Good game by most counts. This one prompted me to make the switch away from AMD for video cards. Put it down... intend to play, but not feeling a strong pull to it.
- Templar Battleforce: Like playing our beloved Space Marines! They worked terribly hard on this game and is cool. It just appears as a strong grind. They just miss that mark of trying to get emotional investment in your developed models/characters.

Non-sequel game:
- Frozen Synapse: Really wanted to like it. Understood it. Had some challenge to it. Lost interest.

I almost feel I have to list all the games I have and would play again to not come across as someone who just cannot be made happy.
I have gamed since I was a kid for decades and find fun in multiple forms of media.
I am at a loss of why some of these games fall out of favor.

Main things I think that "kill" a game.
- Glitchy, stutter, locks up, high system demands all equal: broken immersion.
- Ease of save or at least some reasonable recorded checkpoint: nothing worse than messing up bad or a brownout and losing an hour of play OR heaven forbid a game update that makes prior saves unusable.
- Clunky interface. Had to put up with it for years in the dark ages of gameplay. It has been proven that the user does not have to work around a garbage user interface.
- Story, clever things, surprise, beauty, attention to detail, Easter eggs... keep something of interest happening other than proving how skillfully a player can mash controller buttons.

I am sure there is more that people can add.
I find for sequels the author feels obligated to bring something new to the table.
They really have to keep in mind what worked for that last game and what could make it so much better with those changes: not change for change sake.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Mass Effect: Andromeda. Don't get me wrong. I love Mass Effect. I've played Mass Effect 1-3 as a series binge at least 3-4 times. It's not that I make different choices either because I make the same choices or very slightly different dialogue choices. I just love the experience. The shooting, the atmosphere, the characters, the story. All of it is great. My favorite RPG series of all time. I own all the story DLC because I wanted more. But Andromeda? On the surface it's a good 3rd person shooter game. Something just felt... off. Like, I wasn't finding myself immersed or engaged. I found the characters just... not interesting and the story took forever to get started. But that would've been fine if it felt like it was all leading up to something. Or if the plot hooked me. I don't know. It just felt very bland and uninspired.

I can understand that--MEA introduces a lot of new mechanics, and takes its sweet time introducing them (though I found ME1 to be much harder to get into, myself). But once everything was in place, and I found out what the kett's deal was, I was hooked. But I can understand how the delays in getting to the "roam around, understand what's going on and use all your options" stage could put someone off.

Speaking of that very thing, I'm having the same issue with Dragon Age Inquisition. I love the premise of the game and I really want to find out how it ends, but I got up to the Empress plot, and just found myself worn out by the endless sidequests (I know I could skip them, but I got paranoid after nearly missing out on a companion), the subsystems for customising gear / your pad / the horse that you never use because you need to keep getting off to obliterate random bandits or pick shrubs, and endlessly running round my companions to check if new dialogue has opened up. When the Orlais plot introduced yet another subsystem I wasn't going to use for your reputation, I think that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Star Wars Galaxies.

The Combat Upgrade, the Jedi Village, then the NGE.

You would find your groove in the game and they'd essentially delete the game and make it a new one.

The Holycon boxes sucked also; before they came out no one knew how to become a jedi so everyone just did their own thing. Holycon boxes let everyone know that becoming a Jedi was just a massive skill grind, so everyone dropped their funs and started grinding a bunch of skills they weren't interested just so they could perhaps one day reroll as a jedi.

You just couldn't trust the game to be what it was for any length of time.

God of War: Ascension.

A superfluous game from the outset, but I love the series and have played through all of the others to completion, some multiple times, so I was really looking forward to this one. I was a little worried when they announced Ascension by first showing off the multiplayer - y'know, in the single-player only franchise - and took forever to show us the actual game. Even so, what was there looked fun and brutal, so it should be good right?

The problem was, it all felt so pointless. At one point I was stuck in a small village area and had to fight an Elephant man ogre thing. I killed it, and immediately had to fight another. No context was ever given as to why I was fighting a massive anthropomorphic Elephant. For long stretches of the game you were alone, and Kratos was given virtually no dialogue - even in cut scenes - which just made the game feel so quiet and empty.

The final straw was during one section when I was exploring a level, looking in every nook and cranny for secrets, hidden chests and whatnot, and found myself on a new screen where I knew I'd find something good. Stepped out onto a walkway and it instantly fell away and I died. No warning. No way to stop it. I was just punished with an unavoidable death simply because I was exploring the level, something you always did in all the other games.

I dropped my controller, turned the game off, and have never gone back to it.

Voss wrote:
X-com 2... Partly the timers...

This is exactly the reason I've yet to buy X-Com 2. An X-Com game where I can't take my time in missions? No thanks. Not the game I want.




Oh, and Witcher 3 is a fething masterpiece.

Banjo kazooie nuts and bolts (yes the one everyone hates)

dragon age inquistion. I made it through the first couple parts, then reached the part where a grand ball is coming up. Now grind, son! Grind like a mofo and you might get enough levels to be able to finish it! I had enough grinding.

I watched the ending on youtube. Aside from being uninspiring, the boss fight took like 30 mins. Needless to say, after that i skipped mass effect andromeda and it doesn't look like i'll be going back to bioware at this point.

 Torga_DW wrote:
dragon age inquistion. I made it through the first couple parts, then reached the part where a grand ball is coming up. Now grind, son! Grind like a mofo and you might get enough levels to be able to finish it! I had enough grinding.

I watched the ending on youtube. Aside from being uninspiring, the boss fight took like 30 mins. Needless to say, after that i skipped mass effect andromeda and it doesn't look like i'll be going back to bioware at this point.

I gave up on that game as well. But it was mostly because I lost a lot of my saved data. I liked the game well enough, mostly because of the setting.

I tried to start over again but I couldn't figure out the right race/class and the whole thing where you can simulate the save from the first two games. Just way too much going on there and it is frustrating.

This may seem like an odd one, but way back when, I gave up on the game Frogger Beyond. I gak you not, for sounding very kiddy that is one seriously hard game, or was to me when I used to play it. I got up to one of the boss levels (the underground one) and just could not beat it no matter how hard I tried. I'd kind of like to go back and try again just to see if with my more mature knowledge and perhaps better hand-eye coordination I could perhaps figure out how to win that level, but I don't think I'll get the chance now.

I absolutely love everything in the franchise, but if I had a nickel for every Total War campaign that I gave up on/ got bored with, I’d buy everyone in this thread a Warlord Titan.

At some point you’ll have destroyed all threats, your armies are dominant, your agents are everywhere, and only a few minor factions remain. Its pretty much a given that you’ll roll them over, its just going to take a long trek from one end of the continent(s) for a half ass battle against some backwater kingdom. It just gets to be a slog at a certain point.

If DLC dropped that added a faction, sure as gak I’m going to stop the campaign I’m doing and try that faction out, never to return to the previous campaign. If I did go back to the previous faction, I’d rather start a fresh campaign.

The thrill for me has always been in the first 50-100 turns, when things are truly precarious. WH2 seems to have added a mechanic to help this a bit, but I haven’t got too deep into the end game just yet.

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Torga_DW wrote:
dragon age inquistion. I made it through the first couple parts, then reached the part where a grand ball is coming up. Now grind, son! Grind like a mofo and you might get enough levels to be able to finish it! I had enough grinding.

I watched the ending on youtube. Aside from being uninspiring, the boss fight took like 30 mins. Needless to say, after that i skipped mass effect andromeda and it doesn't look like i'll be going back to bioware at this point.

I gave up on that game as well. But it was mostly because I lost a lot of my saved data. I liked the game well enough, mostly because of the setting.

I tried to start over again but I couldn't figure out the right race/class and the whole thing where you can simulate the save from the first two games. Just way too much going on there and it is frustrating.

Yeah, i liked the setting too. Had issues with that tapestry thing not working right for the choices i picked, but that's probably something i did wrong. I guess my problem with the game comes down to the the execution. It felt more like a single player mmorpg, you got glimpses of the 'interesting' things to come but ended up in a paddock somewhere fighting brigands that would spawn endlessly as you moved around while you tried to collect shinies and level up to be able to do the next bit. The first 2 games felt like i was part of a story/movie, the pacing was pretty good and doing things didn't feel like 'work'. This one was too much stick, not enough carrot. The boss fight was just symptomatic of that - i don't mind an involved boss fight, but 30 mins? Also, i didn't really connect well with the plot/story. To me it varied between uninteresting, predictable and nonsensical. I don't know, i wanted to like it i just didn't. :(

 Frankenberry wrote:
I admit, not many games have broken me. Not that I'm an amazing gamer (I'm really quite bad), it's just a thing I have about spending money on games and not getting it back in play time.

But, that being said:

Vanquish - Great idea for a game. Great graphics, combat, hell - even the voice acting was good. The story...I dunno, it's been awhile but I feel like I couldn't understand what was going on (a theme I've noticed with some obviously imported games), which killed a lot of enthusiasm for it. Plus the difficulty was ridiculous - the game punished you for every misstep.

The Dark Souls series - Yeah, I know, I'm a pleb or something. But I tell you, I hate this series with a passion, not because of the fanbase being toxic as hell (played enough mmo's to be immune to that), but because of the design philosophy. Make a beautiful game, insert well done characters (Onion Bro, *sniffle*), create an entire world...and then make it buggy and impossible to navigate. I don't get why the whole 'it's painfully difficult and that's why its fun, remember how hard those NES games were? PAIN IS FUN' thing that accompanies the series. Depressingly I've purchased DS1-DS3 and their DLC in an attempt to TRY to understand - and I regret it every time.

Battlefleet Gothic Armada - God I wanted to love this game. I was so excited when it came out...and after playing 'capture the intel' a half-dozen times I uninstalled the game. It's like whoever designed that game mode KNEW that it was stupid and wanted to make it as lame as possible. I'm surprised they didn't introduce a limit to the number of times you could board the enemy vessel in an attempt to make the whole process seem 'fluffy'.

Aww man Vanquish was a GREAT game! story was lacking sure but mechanics and gameplay more than made up for it. I've actually played it all the way through twice and am gearing up for a third time after I finish Z.O.E. (as you can tell I love fast-paced action games)

Most games I play these days. Not that I really "give up" on them, I just never get around to finishing them

The only game I really gave up on is StarCraft.

I was playing Marines but not really feeling the love because they moved slow. I decided to stick with it and see what things were like in the end game. Well, it came time to finally build my big ship and send it to destroy the enemy base. I gave the order to move and a Prussian looking fellow popped up in the UI and said, "Take it slow." The Marines I also sent to the enemy base ran a very convoluted and indirect route but still beat the ship there by a good five minutes. I promptly stopped, uninstalled, and sold the game to a co-worker.

Between actual good TV, model painting and the like I've found I just really don't have time for games where you just kind of wander around for hours. Generally I won't stick with a game unless its got fairly engaging gameplay that mostly exists in platformers and the stuff Platinum makes.

The only Bethesda game I haven't given up on is Fallout 3 and that one ended in the rage quitting refusal of my rad immune NPC to solve a simple rad based problem. It's kind of a shame, because there's games I LOVE but don't have the time to devote to finishing. I really love Dark Souls but in each of them there's just a point where I can't spend a full evening's worth of game time failing to find a new save point.

Cuphead.

Amazing art direction, but damn it, this game is unforgiving hard.

I don't think the jumping is quite tight enough for as difficult as the game is, but I appreciate that failure attempts only take a couple minutes despite the lack of checkpoints. It's the kind of challenge I'm likely to stick with, because the game rarely feels like its wasting my time. There are tedious bits where an awkward late fight pattern change can almost instant kill you that get really frustrating simply because you eventually learn everything leading up to them well enough to never get hit though.

I should also mention it is not my genre, but I was eager to try regardless. We tried it on normal first, but got destroyed way too many times, so we tried it on easy, but still had to work for it, only for the game to call you a mug (har har, see what you did there) and say that you needed to play it on normal to properly finish the game.

And yes, this is the sort of game that with enough time sunk into it and good memory skills, can be played without ever taking damage.

Not sure if it counts as I did complete it, but FNV's Dead Money DLC. Hell, that was a slog.
Basically, you are kidnapped and transported to this new place, minus all your gear, armour and weapons. Your armour is replaced with a crappy paper suit, your weapons with a gakky (at first, its nearly broken) rifle and your HP items, stimms, etc with a bomb collar around your neck. You are then greeted by the main antagonist throughout this DLC whom gives you the options of either helping him or literally losing your head.
Welcome to the Sierra Madere people.
The DLC is bad for several reasons:
-Firstly, the bomb collar. The thing is faulty, so if you stay near a radio or speaker for too long (read: "a couple of seconds") it blows up, taking you with it. Sure, radioscan be turned off and speakers shot out, but some of them are in incredibly awkward places which makes disabling them really difficult, and some speakers are shielded and essentially immune to attacks.
-The environment. Its samey throughout the first half and bad through the final. But the real killer is the HP sapping effect on the first part, coupled with its really dark floors and cloud effects that make spotting traps (see below) near impossible
-The map. Its essentially a maze of streets, but a really small maze
-Traps. Haha fething ha. Traps everywhere, and most of them bear traps. Unless you have the Lightfoot perk you are guaranteed to walk into them at least a few times, and thanks to the environment (see above) they are near impossible to spot. Have fun.
-The Cloud. If the generic environment slowly killing you wasnt bad enough try a souped up version with virtually no visibility that you are forced to traverse a couple of times.
-Enemies. Come in two flavours. Flavour 1 is essentially a zombie that can only be killed by coupe de grace'ing them after you have killed them the normal way or by blowing them up/crippling a limb unless you want them to get right back up behind you. These come in three sub flavours consisting of the Jihad, the Kebab and the Trap. The Kebab is the most common and will throw spears at you with unerring accuracy until you get close at which point he comes at you with his trusty knife spear, said spears doing a lot of damage and even more limb damage. You will suffer crippled limbs. The Trap is the next most encountered. This monster is a pure melee fighter and is often found around beartraps, which he seems to have a massive fetish for as he also attacks you with one which he has strapped to his fist. Once again, massive limb damage plus the bonus of knowing there are traps nearby. The Jihad is thankfully the least encountered, and is the alpha striker of the trio. Once he is spent he becomes what is essentially a throwing-spear-less Kebab, but his alpha strike is a very nasty gas cylinder bomb which does area effect damage (potentially killing companions - see below) and once again does massive damage + limb damage. All three have amazing senses and can (if you put no points into Perception) detect you before you detect them. Unless you maxed out on stealth skills expect sneaking to be hard.
The second type is arguably even worse, being effectively unkillable. Holograms, whilst avoidable, are terrifying as they can only be destroyed/disabled by either hacking the correct terminal or destroying/disabling the projector. And they attack with lasers that deal stupid damage. At least their perception is low and they have set routes.
-Companions. You have to get each of the three of them from point A to point B, but if they die enroute you die too as your bomb collars are linked. Enjoy.
-Close range. Type 1 enemies love close quarters. Guess hat the map promotes?
-Platforming. I really hope you enjoyed Mario as platforming across the roofs is often the only way to avoid the ghost people in the first section of the game, and the final section is pretty much a platformer with the added bonus of unkillable holograms and collar-triggering radios.
-The end reward. You get to the vault and therein lieth the gold.... Except it is so heavy you can never take it with you. And ironically the Pre-War money that you can win upstairs is arguably better, weighing nothing but being worth a lot. It is possible to get the gold out, but it requires a lot of pre-empting and getting your timing exactly right. Or just using cheats. Yes, the whole point is to be about seeing the reward and giving it up, but you have just survived however long of HELL to get there and you want your damned reward. To be told you cannot carry it out because you need to run fast is a real dick move on behalf of the devs, speaking of which.....
-MOAR PLATFORMING. To escape after the final boss battle/trap you have to run back through the not! platformer you just cleared to get there. Unless you managed the legitimate method of getting the gold out of course, in which case you only need walk to the exit. But if you have to platform then remember to quicksave a lot because it just got even harder.
-Catering to certain builds at the expense of others.Unless you have a good melee/unarmed you might want to turn back...
-The Gala Event. Hell. No. You are essentially trapped in a very small room and have to escape along a long series of rooms, courtyards and streets chock full of type 1 enemies. It is really not fun.

All in all, I do play through it for completion, but I really hate it. Especially after my forst character suffered so because he was a shooty character.

That DLC is an extreme form of my problems with FO NV as a whole. Lot of enemies, traps and nonsense, and very little to interact with in any way but killing, for very little point or purpose.

I like the concept of Dead Money, and the general theme around it, but the execution left a lot to be desired.

The cloud was manageable when you could tell where the game was manifesting it, but there are plenty of times where it's a complete guess as to whether there's cloud or not.

The speakers and radios activating your collar simply promoted save-scumming if you didn't want to spend ages running into range, quickly looking around, running out, and repeating until you found what was causing it. Since some areas of the Sierra Madre were almost maze-like, it simply turned what could've been a cool mechanic for raising tension and stress into a pure annoyance, not least because the only way through some of them was finding the one arbitrary safe-spot to stand, which was accomplished wholly through trial and error.

As with NV DLC and NV a bit in general, there were a few too many "suddenly, enemies" moments, too.

I want to like it, but there are too many issues that kill it for me, and the concept, theme, and characters can't make up for it.

In all honesty Dead Money would have been a lot better if they had made the map a bit more open and reduced the number of speakers by a good chunk.
And if they had unterstood their own engine.
Actually, that is a big part of why I really hate the Ghost People. Originally they where set to have a low Perception so that one could easily sneak around them. However Bethesda apparently did not understand their own engine and set the Perception stat at 0, which the engine can not understand and thus reads as infinite, allowing Ghost People to detect you whilst you are sneaking in the shadows wearing the Assassin Suit on the other side of a brick wall.

The missions where also rather stupid, amounting to fetch and carry quests for the most part, with the gala event I mentioned before being a horrific nightmare of a meatgrinder which outright forces you into a head-to-head confrontation with the Ghost People.

The Bunker was also very underwhelming with the stupidity of a platformer combined with the Hologram maze section, then the entire return journey as well, basically requiring a lot of patience or save scumming to get through.

All in all though Vegas itself lacked that post-apoc feel that 3 had, something which really bugged me. I loved the setting of Fallout 3 and how one could see the destruction, how it felt like a nuclear wasteland. In Vegas it felt like some Old West cyberpunk setting a lot of the time.
That said, Vegas had the guns. So many, such variation and the modding ability too, all of which make for an amazing experience. Its also less buggy and less likely to require meto fully reset my PC every hour or so, so there is that.

@Avatar 720, I agree with you about the "Suddenly enemies" theme. There where a good number of moments when you would be walking around and find yourself attacked, or run into traps for no apparent reason (the Viper Gang ambush just past Nipton, sweet gak, why did they think that was a good idea for low level characters?), but sometimes that really was needed to add a break to the travelling.The lack of wasteland spawns really means you have to journey a lot, with minutes of running from one place to another and no breaks.

One thing.. Obsidian did New Vegas and all the DLC for the game, not Bethesda, who merely supplied a piece of gak game engine.

Final fantasy 13. I had just gotten to the open world area, which I was told was 'the good part of the game', but I just couldn't take it anymore. It was so bad.

I also couldn't finish republic commando recently. Found it incredibly dull, despite it being quite well-reviewed. Felt like a cheap halo clone.

too many games still gathering dust - I used to complete games but very rare now.

Recently Total War: Warhammer - I so so wanted to love this, but I am just finding the game confusing and the battles massively and horribly finicky - so likely this will get forgotten.

Total war: warhammer had one hell of a learning curve. I had to restart the ork campaign 3 times, but once I figured it out, it was hard to put down.

 BrookM wrote:
One thing.. Obsidian did New Vegas and all the DLC for the game, not Bethesda, who merely supplied a piece of gak game engine.

Yup, and Obsidian were rushed to get the project done "on time" as opposed to getting it right. Despite all the horrible bugs and flaws with NV, I still rate it over both 3 and 4, even if 4 is more mechanically solid, and even though 3 had a more Fallout-y feel to it.

I dont think Ive ever said screw it and quit a game. I originally did that with Dark Souls. I just stopped playing shortly into the game and hated the game. Then like 6 months later I found it on my xbox still and thought ahhh fudge it Ill try it again and after a solid week of killing and being murdered a lot, I beat it. Then beat it again.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Total war: warhammer had one hell of a learning curve. I had to restart the ork campaign 3 times, but once I figured it out, it was hard to put down.

I've only just started playing it, and I've restarted the Vampire Counts campaign about half a dozen times. I think my current campaign, that's up to about turn 50, probably isn't going to go anywhere but I finally feel like I'm getting into how it works.

 nels1031 wrote:
I absolutely love everything in the franchise, but if I had a nickel for every Total War campaign that I gave up on/ got bored with, I’d buy everyone in this thread a Warlord Titan.

At some point you’ll have destroyed all threats, your armies are dominant, your agents are everywhere, and only a few minor factions remain. Its pretty much a given that you’ll roll them over, its just going to take a long trek from one end of the continent(s) for a half ass battle against some backwater kingdom. It just gets to be a slog at a certain point.

If DLC dropped that added a faction, sure as gak I’m going to stop the campaign I’m doing and try that faction out, never to return to the previous campaign. If I did go back to the previous faction, I’d rather start a fresh campaign.

The thrill for me has always been in the first 50-100 turns, when things are truly precarious. WH2 seems to have added a mechanic to help this a bit, but I haven’t got too deep into the end game just yet.

SO much this.

I love the total war games, but after turn 100 or so when everything starts stabilizing, it just turns into for the next 20 turns I'm going to steam roll this faction, then after that I'm going to steam roll this faction, while you check the boxes for the eventual victory.

Only ever completed the grand campaign once.

The start is always most fun.

It's yet another reason I prefer versus campaigns, as well.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Final fantasy 13. I had just gotten to the open world area, which I was told was 'the good part of the game', but I just couldn't take it anymore. It was so bad.

I also couldn't finish republic commando recently. Found it incredibly dull, despite it being quite well-reviewed. Felt like a cheap halo clone.

Man, Republic Commando is one of my all-time favorite games - it's a shame you couldn't get into it.

As for me, there were a few more:

Supreme Commander - Love this game. Don't love the 3 hour fights required per mission.
The Banner Saga - Truly beautiful game but I can't get around to finishing it. I think it might be because I really want a perfect game with no deaths and I'm just horrid at the grid-based RTS'.
Valkyrie Chronicles - Again, another beautiful game with a story that I find really interesting. But after getting gunned down by a tank three feet from the escape area, it kinda soured.

Valkyria Chronicles is one of those games where I binged it, did really well and got really into it, got all the way to the last level and then put it down and haven't played it since.


I don't know why either, I'm about 1 hour away from finishing the whole thing. And I loved it too.

 welshhoppo wrote:
Valkyria Chronicles is one of those games where I binged it, did really well and got really into it, got all the way to the last level and then put it down and haven't played it since.


I don't know why either, I'm about 1 hour away from finishing the whole thing. And I loved it too.

This, except I put down the game because I got annoyed when my tank got 1 shotted at the end of the 2nd last (?) mission. 6 months later, I decided to try it again. I loved every bit of it, until the EXACT same thing happened. Needless to say I haven't picked it up again. I wholeheartedly recommend it though, it was a great game!

Another game I dropped for no apparent reason, Final Fantasy 15. I got all the way to the last Chapter, I even slogged though the infamous chapter 13 (turns out you can skip it now), but then I decided to grind for the final boss. I basically got to the point where I did all the possible high EXP side quests, and was about to turn the whole thing in for 3x EXP. Yet, I never got there. I loved the game, the characters were good, but I never finished it. I should get round to it.

First one I want to mention for me is Minecraft. One of my best friends introduced the game to me and was full of praise for it (as was half the internet), but I found it just incredibly, extensively, massively BORING. Overrated as well, yet I don'T think that I am an objective judge, so take that as you will. But yeah, boring boring boring. And I did try it many times, did try some custom campaign type game modes, but, not a chance.

The next ones are quite interesting, as my favorite games should basically guarantee that I liked these games, but no. for example: I am a huge, and I mean HUGE Witcher fan. I actually started with the first game I bought during a Steam summer sale about 5 years or so back, just because it was something like 2 € and looked interesting.Once started, I just couldn't stop. I found it so incredibly interesting and fun that I pretty much immediately picked up the books as well as the second one. Also, Witcher 3 is one of my absolute favorite games of all times. Probably place 2 or so.
But Assassins of Kings... for me, it was just 'meh'. I did not like the story (it just felt so un-Geralty), I did not like the setting, I hated Flotsam (the first major region), I overall did not like a lot. I did play it, sure, but except the Loc Muinne-chapter, it was just a tedious game (and I did choose both Roche as well as Iorveth and played through the whole game with each). So, while I could play Witcher 1 and 3 without end, everytime I start up 2, I am just bored.

And, last but not least: Overwatch. My favorite game is Team Fortress 2, the cartoony class-based shooter by Valve. I adore this game, it is just fantastic. So, naturally, I was very intruiged by Overwatch. I bougth it quite early after if came out and, at the beginning, really enjoyed it (well, the group I played with back then was also awesome, but thats not the point). Ok, playing alone was really frustrating and also boring, but in a group, it was just dandy.
But then... it was around the first olympic games/summer event, I just lost interest. It felt really bland, people mostly (i played both casual as well as comp quite equally) chose the same ~9 heroes and it became really repetitive. I uninstalled it about a year ago and never really looked back.

Has anyone here ever played Unreal Tournament? I have never been able to get past the final boss fight and I have always ended up giving in on it, despite attempting it several times.
The boss is essentially unkillable, being faster than you, having more HP then yu and always spawns with a full suit of amazingly good armour which he can improve by picking up armour and shield belt items.
The battle is really close, preventing you from using any long ranged weapons or hit and run tactics and it basically comes down to a losing grind every single time.

I love the game for what it is but I hate that boss fight with a passion.

 Frankenberry wrote:
Supreme Commander - Love this game. Don't love the 3 hour fights required per mission.

I've actually gone back to Forged Alliance, and spent tonight remembering just how slow-paced the campaign missions can be when you're a turtler.

50 Minutes in...
Mission Guys: "You STILL haven't taken out those bases, Commander." "We can't rendezvous until those bases are destroyed." "Are you taking the world's longest dump or something?"
Me, still on the starting island, building my hundredth SAM installation: "What?"

 master of ordinance wrote:
Has anyone here ever played Unreal Tournament? I have never been able to get past the final boss fight and I have always ended up giving in on it, despite attempting it several times.
The boss is essentially unkillable, being faster than you, having more HP then yu and always spawns with a full suit of amazingly good armour which he can improve by picking up armour and shield belt items.
The battle is really close, preventing you from using any long ranged weapons or hit and run tactics and it basically comes down to a losing grind every single time.

I love the game for what it is but I hate that boss fight with a passion.

Like, the old 1999 Unreal Tournament vs Xan? Holy flying... thing, that was a hard battle. I honestly didn't think he had better "stats", but just had the advantage of knowing exactly when/where the item spawns are. Combine that with close quarters fighting, and the guy with the shield belt probably wins. I beat it after many, many tries by really learning the layout of the level, and basically camping the shield belt and body armour spawns. Even then it was very, very hard...

 Goremaul wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Has anyone here ever played Unreal Tournament? I have never been able to get past the final boss fight and I have always ended up giving in on it, despite attempting it several times.
The boss is essentially unkillable, being faster than you, having more HP then yu and always spawns with a full suit of amazingly good armour which he can improve by picking up armour and shield belt items.
The battle is really close, preventing you from using any long ranged weapons or hit and run tactics and it basically comes down to a losing grind every single time.

I love the game for what it is but I hate that boss fight with a passion.

Like, the old 1999 Unreal Tournament vs Xan? Holy flying... thing, that was a hard battle. I honestly didn't think he had better "stats", but just had the advantage of knowing exactly when/where the item spawns are. Combine that with close quarters fighting, and the guy with the shield belt probably wins. I beat it after many, many tries by really learning the layout of the level, and basically camping the shield belt and body armour spawns. Even then it was very, very hard...

Thats the one! Got to it o an old PC that I no longer have, got there again on one of my towers and am nearly there on my laptop and hahahaha, NOPE. Xan i stupid good and basically stomps me every time.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
Supreme Commander - Love this game. Don't love the 3 hour fights required per mission.

I've actually gone back to Forged Alliance, and spent tonight remembering just how slow-paced the campaign missions can be when you're a turtler.

50 Minutes in...
Mission Guys: "You STILL haven't taken out those bases, Commander." "We can't rendezvous until those bases are destroyed." "Are you taking the world's longest dump or something?"
Me, still on the starting island, building my hundredth SAM installation: "What?"

That sounds like me playing Starcraft or any other RTS game. I tend to play waaaaaay too defensively, which keeps me from winning. I'm afraid of overcommitting my forces and getting wiped by the inevitable counterattack.

I know I should give up on a game if I feel the need to get to the ending as soon as possible, instead of going at a slower pace and enjoying it.

I’ve probably started and re-started Morrowind four times now, and found it way too slow for me. I can see why people would like it though. Probably not going to give up on it entirely, but I’ll need time to find the right inspiration to keep at it.

Every Fire Emblem game made after the Gameboy advance ones. I feel like I'm not playing a strategy game but a dating sim. Which is a shame because I am an advance wars fanatic and have easily over 2000 hours in those games.

Minecraft, my favorite part is the initial bit of exploration and trying to survive, like a Robinson Crusoe simulator. After everything stabilizes it just becomes so much mining and work that I just get bored and turn it off. It basically gets everything wrong in my opinion that Subnautica got right. Subnautica feels like an adventure around every turn and with headphones is probably one of the best horror games I've ever played I've stopped playing it till they finish since I've hit the point where the story kicks in like 5 times now, but I can't wait to finish it properly.

A weird personal one for me is Far Cry 2. I absolutely loved the game, loved the maps and the gorgeous vehicles, but you couldn't drive 20 feet without triggering an enemy checkpoint. You could pass through one, kill everything in sight, pick up a weapon from a shack or something, and drive back through not 3 minutes later and I'd swear they'd be back. I got to the point where I was spending half my time just trying to cross the map. Very frustrating. The final straw though was when my favorite partner, this old grumpy Russian guy, died on one of my missions. I tried 20 different times to save him, even running through a hail of gunfire, but nothing work. That was kind of the final straw and I haven't picked it up since. I also don't remember anything of a story to the game, all I remember was doing random missions and caring far more about my fellow mercenaries than anything else going on. At least the gunplay felt nice and the game was gorgeous.

Oh yeah and Fallout 3's main story was absolutely terrible, I loved the game's sidequests but never actually got around to beating it even after a good 300 hours wandering the wasteland. I just loved the sidequests and exploration but the main story was a joke and I remember only doing one mission because I accidentally stumbled onto it. Fallout New Vegas had a way better main quest in that you could actually decide what happened, but even there I quickly went off to do my own thing and complete sidequests. I will say Old World Blues was awesome and probably my favorite thing in a Fallout game ever. The voice acting, the logs, the weapons, everything was just top notch and I didn't want the ride to end. But like Fallout 3 I had no interest in completing the main story and basically just treated it as an adventure game.

Final one and then I'll shut up, XCOM 2. I absolutely loved the original XCOM games and the first reboot Fireaxis did, they're great games and hold up pretty well, especially with mods. However, XCOM 2 just felt less focused and a bit too, I don't know, a bit too "easy" for lack of a better word. Instead of having a massive secret base with the best science and weapons money could buy, in XCOM 2 you were pulling even more advanced stuff with a scruffy resistance in the backseat of a glorified space delivery truck. Not to mention the game had a lot more "plot" moments and set pieces that get old after the first playthrough, which hurts replayability. I just had very little desire to go back and play it again when it was all said and done, something I never had an issue with other XCOM titles.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Every Fire Emblem game made after the Gameboy advance ones. I feel like I'm not playing a strategy game but a dating sim. Which is a shame because I am an advance wars fanatic and have easily over 2000 hours in those games.

Now I totally get it about the dating sim bit for the most recent installments of the series, but what exactly makes say Path of Radiance or Radiant Dawn a dating sim? Their style of support system was very similar to the GBA era of supports (standing next to each other and finishing chapters together) and doesn't become a dating sim at all. The most recent installment Shadows of Valentia also has this support system, and despite being a modern title, it does not have the S-rank supports you dislike. If you're looking for a good modern entry without that aspect at all, I'd recommend that - it's my favourite FE game.

Even if you don't like Awakening and/or Fates, why not just play through them and not bother with supports? Or at least just go up to A rank like you would in any other FE game and stop there? Awakening isn't close to being my favourite FE, but I'm happy with what it did for the franchise. It tried new things and it happened to work, so why fix what isn't broken right?

Before I derail this thread any further, I'll add another game I gave up on - Fallout 4. For such a massive world, god was there a lot of nothing. I felt like any minor fight would rinse me dry of any supplies I had. I enjoyed Skyrim enough to buy this one, yet I was horribly bored within hours. I did sell it within the week of buying it, so it is nothing but a bad memory now...

I also found fallout 4 dull.

It might have been that I played so much of Fallout 3 that when I got around to Fallout 4 it basically felt like a mod of Fallout 3.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Has anyone here ever played Unreal Tournament? I have never been able to get past the final boss fight and I have always ended up giving in on it, despite attempting it several times.
The boss is essentially unkillable, being faster than you, having more HP then yu and always spawns with a full suit of amazingly good armour which he can improve by picking up armour and shield belt items.
The battle is really close, preventing you from using any long ranged weapons or hit and run tactics and it basically comes down to a losing grind every single time.

I love the game for what it is but I hate that boss fight with a passion.

Practice a lot with the shock rifle, grab the flak cannon and camp the shield belt. If he gets the shield belt first, lure him up to the top and blast him off into space with the pushback from the shock rifle. But yeah, he is a total pain in the arse.

The campagin for Unreal Tournament 2004 was in-fething-sane. When you get to fighting the champion teams their aim is BONKERS.