Time of Legends: Joan of Arc is a narrative miniatures board game that plunges you into the heart of the Hundred Years’ War. In this dark, medieval universe, kings plot for the throne of France, and on the battlefield their heroic knights clash with foes both real and legendary.
For more than a century, from 1337 to 1453, the fields of France rang to the sound of constant warfare. The Hundred Years’ War is one of the longest wars ever fought and is the source of many of our collective ideas about heroic knights of old. It was also a time of myths and legends, and a fervent faith in the literal truth of the doctrine of Holy Mother Church. It is this world of strife and faith that this game recreates.
In Time of Legends: Joan of Arc, all the creatures that the medieval people thought were real, are real. Whether they are represented on tapestries, in stained glass windows, or in illuminated manuscripts, we take them at their word. It is this dark and epic universe that you will explore in the game’s many scenarios. Some are historical, with no taint of the whispered legends of strange creatures. Others are replete with the supernatural or (saints preserve us) demonic.
You are free to control the army of miniatures that represent your heroes, knights and peasants as you wish in order to achieve your goals. You will decide who moves and where; whether your forces explore, pray, converse with locals, or simply charge into battle. But before we get to the field of glory, you must first choose your side.
Next Stretch Goal(s) -
Additional Purchases -
One final addon to come which is meant to have a heaven focus.
Addon bundles offering good savings are available, see Kickstarter page for full details.
Scale shot of the optional buy Dragon with 15mm humans -
The castle walls from this photo are still to come as an optional buy (Dragon and 15mm models for scale) -
It's been skulking around on the Board Games subforum, which is bizarre; there's no way anything with that dragon in it is skulking anywhere!
I am surprised that it's not more prominent around here, a lot of podcasts have been very complimentary about it from seeing it at GenCon.
Anyway, it funded in three whole minutes and blasted through a big bucketful of stretchgoals in the first 24 hours. I'm looking forward to getting it, a dragon and a castle!
Alpharius wrote: When does that awesome looking castle show up, and how much will it cost?!?
I'll be giving this one some serious consideration.
The minis at this scale look great!
I think that it has been mentioned that it will be a similar price to the dragon, no idea if it's going to pan out like that, though!
The awesome thing that was said about the castle is the whole seige rules plan; the idea being that the tabletop battle with the troops and castle is the climactic attempt to storm the castle. Leading up to it is a card based game to represent the seige and all the weeks and weeks of preparation: sorties, earthworks building, poisoning the water supply etc. This card game then has effects on the final battle - genius!
From a contents standpoint, this is like BattleLore 1E, but with a LOT more stuff in the box. If I didn't already have boatloads of BattleLore 1E, I'd be all over this.
Alpharius wrote: No idea what BattleLore is - are you saying it is a good game and would recommend this one based on that?
BL has been OOP for years, and has a second edition (which some fans say is incomplete because it doesn't have enough factions?) -- which is also OOP. The game designer and publisher are different, so I would not buy or not buy JoA based on BL.
As JH says, the *contents* of BL and JoA look similar, since they're JoA is medieval fantasy, while BL is generic fantasy. They both somewhat overlap in that they have combat, although JoA has some scenarios that aren't just combat.
Also, ask around The Miniatures Page for 15mm medieval warfare rules if you can't find any. (You can also play many 28mm games, such as Frostgrave, in 15mm.)
I have my brushes full with 28mm, but, if you're looking for a 15mm human-based medieval miniatures starter set, this is it. This is the first popular 15mm game I've seen on KS, and it comes with terrain and game tiles, as well. Although I know papercraft is cheaper, I don't even want to know how much I'd pay for resin or plastic versions of those buildings! Hopefully, Mantic, CMON, and Reaper will release buildings and large pieces for 28mm terrain. Mantic's already run a terrain KS, and Reaper had some large pieces in their KS.
My mind keeps tumbling over what kinds of possible add ons they can release.
More giant monsters and scenery are already a given.
Do you think they'd do a new faction? New armies are always popular add ons for war games, but I can't think of a distinct faction that would be historically accurate that isn't already represented by either the French or English.
Alpharius wrote: No idea what BattleLore is - are you saying it is a good game and would recommend this one based on that?
Short version: BattleLore is a Command & Colors game (like Memoir 44) by Richard Borg that was originally published by Days of Wonder. It was a 15mm wargame game on a hex game board with a historical focus with an (optional) fantasy element. DoW, unable to do the game justice with their meager means (they couldn't even reprint the base set) sold the rights to Fantasy Flight Games, which released a few small expansions and gave up. FFG then releases Battles of Westeros, a BattleLore game largely in name only, that was good but mismanaged. Then FFG released a 2nd edition that was more FFGish (surge abilities, three different card sizes, full fantasy in the Runewars universe)... then released a few expansions and gave up in favor of Runewars.
BattleLore is probably my favorite board game of all time, and the 2nd edition had potential to be a great game in its own way if FFG didn't prematurely kill it. Joan of Arc has a lot of similarities to BattleLore in theme, form, and gameplay - but does its own thing by mixing in concepts from other board games and miniature games. I swore I would never back another Kickstarter, but I backed Joan of Arc. I think it has a similar potential to become what BattleLore always promised to be, if it wasn't cursed by a decade of mismanagement and being a miniature-heavy product before its time (especially if this isn't the last "Time of Legends" game)
More giant monsters and scenery are already a given.
Do you think they'd do a new faction? New armies are always popular add ons for war games, but I can't think of a distinct faction that would be historically accurate that isn't already represented by either the French or English.
Mercenaries perhaps?
If you watch the trailer for the kickstarter, I think there's some hints in there. They show the castle wall set and at least one giant demon figure that they haven't shown yet.
Alpharius wrote: No idea what BattleLore is - are you saying it is a good game and would recommend this one based on that?
BattleLore is a Richard Borg "Command and Colors" series game that covers medieval fantasy battles, but can play as straight medieval historical battle as well (if you don't use the fantasy elements like dorfs or dragons, magic and such). It came out over a decade ago, and has been OOP for quite some time. BL is an excellent game system, assuming you're into that sort of thing. I love playing the "advanced" version with the monsters and magic. The hydra is so much fun to play!
I have no idea how JoA plays, but it looks similar, with the hexes and multi-base infantry and GoT-ish blending of medieval fantasy with historical. If you were looking for a 15mm-ish game like like BattleLore / Warmaster to put on the tabletop, it's a very fair price for all of the stuff you're getting. If one were looking for a medieval fantasy battles toolbox, this is the ideal starting point. But again, I have no idea if the game itself is good.
I completely agree that JoA has the potential to be what BattleLore always wanted to be, but didn't have the resources and commit to produce. If the rules end up being good, this will go gangbusters down the line. I clearly foresee expanded Angelic / Demonic forces, along with Undead, Golems and Mercenaries.
If I didn't already have BattleLore, I'd definitely gamble on this. Big time.
JohnHwangDD wrote: But again, I have no idea if the game itself is good.
There's several videos from GenCon and Beasts of War of them playing the game. Nearly universal praise by people who played it at GenCon and the playthroughs seem competent enough as a gameplay framework. Whether it will be a balanced game in the competitive mode (looks like they've changed some balance since GenCon) or whether there are enough scenarios or the scenarios have staying power, I can't say. It looks like an amazing toolbox, and I hope the designers know well enough when to step back and let the tools do the heavy lifting.
If I didn't already have BattleLore, I'd definitely gamble on this. Big time.
I have all of BattleLore and while I love it to death, it has given me about a decade's worth of blue balls. The problem with BattleLore 1E is that it is primarily scenario based, and while there are many of them throughout the various expansions, there's very few (if any) that actually use all the pieces available at the same time. A serious case of Core + One Expansion-itis (something games like Descent suffer from as well). Call to Arms was meant to generate scenarios, but I don't think it was very good at it, and it was also terrible with allowing you to play with all the toys you wanted to.
This has ticked my boxes backed for the starter and the dragon. If the games good great if not welllll I have cool models for another project and rules system.
$30 for one really cool mini and a bunch of extra stuff.
I was wondering how they were going to come up with great ideas for addons. After the dragon and castle, I figured that they'd be struggling for ideas - I should have known better!
This is going to be really tough, trying to work out how to prioritise spending.
Chillreaper wrote: BoW have just put up a video for an expansion for old Be'elzebub himself.
That's the big guy in the trailer.
I was wondering how they were going to come up with great ideas for addons. After the dragon and castle, I figured that they'd be struggling for ideas - I should have known better!
In one of the videos, they literally say that "Time of Legends" may have additional games in addition to Joan of Arc taking place in the world at the same time, but in different locations. I don't think they are struggling for ideas.
Chillreaper wrote: BoW have just put up a video for an expansion for old Be'elzebub himself.
That's the big guy in the trailer.
I was wondering how they were going to come up with great ideas for addons. After the dragon and castle, I figured that they'd be struggling for ideas - I should have known better!
In one of the videos, they literally say that "Time of Legends" may have additional games in addition to Joan of Arc taking place in the world at the same time, but in different locations. I don't think they are struggling for ideas.
Same deal as Mythic Battles which they're expanding into a "world" made-up of lots of giant self contained mythologies.
Honestly, I played Mythic Battles at a testing event, and if this is made by the same people I expect the game to be meticulously balanced, with incredible, clear, rules.
Same deal as Mythic Battles which they're expanding into a "world" made-up of lots of giant self contained mythologies.
Honestly, I played Mythic Battles at a testing event, and if this is made by the same people I expect the game to be meticulously balanced, with incredible, clear, rules.
That game is SICK.
This is something I'm confused about. Maybe someone can explain this to me. I think Monolith is behind Mythic Battles, but Mythic is involved with them somehow as a publisher. Monolith is the company that won't do retail anymore and will only do Kickstarter games, but Mythic will do retail for ToL:Joan of Arc... but not Mythic Battles?
I guestimate the Devil with a height of 4 to the top of the head, making it 60mm / 2.4" tall. He's big compared to the infantry, but not big compared to the WFB6 Greater Daemons.
OMG !!! I told myself I wasn't going to look at this game. I said I wasn't interested in the 15mm scale. Apparently I lie and don't know what the hell I'm talking about !!
I'm in !!!
redben wrote: It's 130mm to the top of its head, and 200mm to the top of its wings.
The $30 Devil? Or the $65 Dragon?
The $30 Devil is 130mm to the top of its head, and 200mm to the top of its wings. I believe the $65 dragon is 180mm to the top of its head, not sure how tall it is to the top of its wings.
redben wrote: It's 130mm to the top of its head, and 200mm to the top of its wings.
The $30 Devil? Or the $65 Dragon?
The $30 Devil is 130mm to the top of its head, and 200mm to the top of its wings. I believe the $65 dragon is 180mm to the top of its head, not sure how tall it is to the top of its wings.
The Devil is over 5" tall? Are the Infantry figures 15mm or 28mm?
redben wrote: It's 130mm to the top of its head, and 200mm to the top of its wings.
The $30 Devil? Or the $65 Dragon?
The $30 Devil is 130mm to the top of its head, and 200mm to the top of its wings. I believe the $65 dragon is 180mm to the top of its head, not sure how tall it is to the top of its wings.
The Devil is over 5" tall? Are the Infantry figures 15mm or 28mm?
How tall is that house? 45-50mm or what?
The picture doesn't match the claimed size.
The house is 6,3 cm high at the chimney, according to the FAQ.
As mentioned, the building is about four times the size of an infantryman to the top of its chimney. The Devil is about twice the size of the building to the top of its head, and three time the size to the top of its wings. Not sure what the issue is.
The dragon and the devil are breathtaking + jaw dropping, IMO not many demons around the net can match him if the sculpt is
actually as good as the render (except maybe Krull, Servile Lord of Dis by Mierce minis).
Just 30 bucks almost hard to believe even seeing the price.
The FAQ says the standard human minis are 16mm from the soles of the feet to the top of the head. This should make it 15mm to eye level, so 15mm scale.
Reading last night's update, I didn't realise just how much stuff is in the add-on.
"For that money ($30) you not only get the Devil, but also 3 bases of demonic Legion, another big farmhouse, ruin miniatures, a selection of tiles for flying and destroyed areas, some special GC dice, stat cards, and a scenario book."
Backed, going all in for everything (wish id done the same for mythic battles) not sure where I'm gonna put that dragon though, might have to invest in one of those fancy display cases, dont think my paint skills are up tho the task of painting the thing well though, I guess i got a year to work on that. Kind of hoping they might include a painting guide, id quite like to replicate that studio colour scheme.
I think the success of this kickstarter may inspire other developers to experiment with this 'Legendary scale' aka 15m... at least thats what im hoping. Love to see more fantasy and sci fi games done at this scale, lots of untapped potential.
I am still regretting the fact I did not had enough money at the time to back mythic battles (I wanted it sooooo badly ), so I don't think I will be able to resist backing this.
Looking at the video, this game looks like it wants to be all games for all gamers. There's an RPG element, a combat element, a Euro-resource game element (down to the wooden cubes), etc...
I kind of just want it to be a battle-game... which I know is a mode, but is sure to be diluted from a development PoV as the game seems primarily to want to be a scenario/story-telling game.
I guess Mythic Battles is meant to fill the purely competitive space.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I kind of just want it to be a battle-game... which I know is a mode, but is sure to be diluted from a development PoV as the game seems primarily to want to be a scenario/story-telling game.
15mm wargaming has been around for quite awhile. The Miniatures Page should have a Medieval subforum. If you can't find it, drop me a PM!
Frex, Someone on BGG recommended Demonworld, although it's OOP. RPG.net has a review.
Of course, you can always play various 28mm medieval battle games using these figures.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I kind of just want it to be a battle-game... which I know is a mode, but is sure to be diluted from a development PoV as the game seems primarily to want to be a scenario/story-telling game.
15mm wargaming has been around for quite awhile. The Miniatures Page should have a Medieval subforum. If you can't find it, drop me a PM!
Frex, Someone on BGG recommended Demonworld, although it's OOP. RPG.net has a review.
*** Calling RiTides. RiTides, can you hear me? ***
Yea, this is awesome. I was just blathering with RiTides about how great 15 mm gaming is for mass battles. Cheap armies, lots of room to maneuver on a normal sized board, etc. And here we are...
Glad this is going on for another month or so. I will need to time to stockpile cash.
15mm is honestly my favorite scale, simply for the number of minis you can fit on a table, as well as the breadth of possibilities it offers (look how big that dragon is... seriously...). This game was kind of on my "eh, maybe" list for a while, but the more addons they post and stretch goals get broken, the more it shifts into my "definitely pledging" list.
Wehrkind wrote: *** Calling RiTides. RiTides, can you hear me? ***
Yea, this is awesome. I was just blathering with RiTides about how great 15 mm gaming is for mass battles. Cheap armies, lots of room to maneuver on a normal sized board, etc. And here we are...
Glad this is going on for another month or so. I will need to time to stockpile cash.
Received!
Thanks for the poke, Wehr! What had kept me out of 15mm previously was the need for new terrain, kind of inconsistent sculpt ranges, and no game system I was sure I wanted to try in it. This seems to address all of that! My only concern is if it's a little too good to be true, but with the funding they're getting hopefully economies of scale helps them pull it off well
The stretch goal freebie for hitting $666,000 has been revealed and given that figure it's probably no surprise that it's a humongous mini of the beast from Revelation. Apparently it stands bigger than the Atlas mini they gave away as the $1 million SG in Mythic Battles. The campaign is a touch under $35k from adding this to every core pledge.
It's a shame the terrain tiles look so dark, bland, and computer generated. They're really the only let-down in the campaign. I'll probably wind up having to make my own.
Zethnar wrote: It's a shame the terrain tiles look so dark, bland, and computer generated. They're really the only let-down in the campaign. I'll probably wind up having to make my own.
I just couldn’t resist this project but I feel the same. Already figured I’d make my own and as the terrain tiles are not a major reason I pledged I’m not too worried about it.
I totally shouldn't, but I'm totally gonna. This pushes a lot of my buttons.
Anyways, I thought I pledged, but possibly it didn't go through. I assume you get an email when you have officially pledged, correct? I'd hate to do it twice and have it count twice.
dienekes96 wrote: I totally shouldn't, but I'm totally gonna. This pushes a lot of my buttons.
Anyways, I thought I pledged, but possibly it didn't go through. I assume you get an email when you have officially pledged, correct? I'd hate to do it twice and have it count twice.
You can't pledge twice. If you want to double check though just log in to your kickstarter account and look at your profile (by clicking on your user icon in the top right of the screen). It will list all the projects you're currently backing.
redben wrote: Next stretch goal is Edward, the Black Prince, who led the English to victory over the French at Crecy and Poitiers.
The stretch goal is a mounted version of the Black Prince, the regular version appears in the base game -
New addon up which includes a solo / co-operative mission (random elements to make it replayable) and the monks can also all be used as units in the regular game -
I can't figure out, is there an easy way to know which unit works for which faction? Especially in the small graphics on the main page, I can't see what determines that?
You know, I have no idea. Actually using the models in the actual game hadn't occurred to me. I have so many good rulesets sitting around, crying for table time, I never thought about it.
Most of the unit models appear to be multi faction and you use the coloured rings to identify what faction they are being used for. I did ask for them to provide a list or just a post with basic details but I suspect it was lost in the sea or comments.
It does seem as if the basic troops can be either French or English. The named heroes will obviously be specific to their faction. Not sure how they interact with the holy/unholy factions, though I imagine that would only be relevant in the mass battle mode from the Legendary Battles add-on.
redben wrote: Next stretch goal is Edward, the Black Prince, who led the English to victory over the French at Crecy and Poitiers.
Yup. And part of what made him notable was that he was a whooping 15-16 years old when he commanded Crecy and won the Siege of Calais and thus earned his nickname.. I wonder why they chose to got with a middle-aged version of him (though admittedly he grew older eventually and remained a pretty successful general).
Henry wrote: Surely that's going to make painting the regular troops a bit of a hassle.
Presumably for those folks who want to go with period-appropriate colors and regalia. I don't know much about this period, but were English and French "uniforms" (I know that's not really the right term here) very different?
Jeez, and what about the Holy and Unholy folks?!?! What did they wear?!?!
Henry wrote: Surely that's going to make painting the regular troops a bit of a hassle.
Presumably for those folks who want to go with period-appropriate colors and regalia. I don't know much about this period, but were English and French "uniforms" (I know that's not really the right term here) very different?
Jeez, and what about the Holy and Unholy folks?!?! What did they wear?!?!
There were no such things as uniforms in the Middle Ages. There weren't even countries yet (only feudal domains). Soldiers simply wore whatever they could afford (or their lord could afford for them) and the nobility all wore their own coats of arms. There would have virtually been no difference between soldiers fighting for the English king and soldiers fighting for the French king, no more than there would be a difference between the levies of lord A and those of lord B. Similarly, banners and symbols were also hugely varied.
You can just paint all of the generic troops as generic medieval soldiers and use them for both sides without historical accuracy problems.
Regarding faction, it looks to me like it's actually shown on their card as a banner in the top left corner. Here's the card of the stretch goal just unlocked (English hero) and the next one (French heavy foot knights):
But it's not present on the smaller images they're showing unlocked goals with, so I don't know if there's an easy way to see all the unit loyalties together:
Maybe some of the basic troops are used for both, but from this it looks like many units are faction specific (which is good, imo!).
My guess is there will be cards for English Heavy Foot Knights and French Heavy Foot Knights, maybe with slightly different stats or abilities, but otherwise the same.
Now that I have said that, I note that it just says "new card" not "new cards" so I may well be wrong.
I do suspect that for the basic "not a knight, and not with a special weapon" type troops both factions will share the models. I suppose you could always get a bunch if you want to paint all the poor infantry buggers in their kingdom's colors, so fixing them to a particular side. I am probably going to do mine as different house hold regiments, with a few units of different types sharing a basic tabard, but that's about it.
Henry wrote: Surely that's going to make painting the regular troops a bit of a hassle.
Presumably for those folks who want to go with period-appropriate colors and regalia. I don't know much about this period, but were English and French "uniforms" (I know that's not really the right term here) very different?
Jeez, and what about the Holy and Unholy folks?!?! What did they wear?!?!
There were no such things as uniforms in the Middle Ages. There weren't even countries yet (only feudal domains). Soldiers simply wore whatever they could afford (or their lord could afford for them) and the nobility all wore their own coats of arms. There would have virtually been no difference between soldiers fighting for the English king and soldiers fighting for the French king, no more than there would be a difference between the levies of lord A and those of lord B. Similarly, banners and symbols were also hugely varied.
You can just paint all of the generic troops as generic medieval soldiers and use them for both sides without historical accuracy problems.
The core pledge also includes coloured rings that can be attached to the bases to clearly differentiate which side they're on in this particular game.
Automatically Appended Next Post: The word is we're due an add-on reveal this evening. I believe at 7pm Paris time, so 6pm in the UK and 1pm on the east coast of North America. It's almost certainly going to be the Siege add-on, which along with the dragon was the other big item they had planned. This is going to include a castle, complete with ruined wall sections to swap in as it takes damage. The name of the add-on suggests it'll include siege rules too, but beyond that I'm not sure what else in it. We do know it's more expensive than the dragon add-on, so I'm expecting something in the $70-90 range.
Henry wrote: Surely that's going to make painting the regular troops a bit of a hassle.
Presumably for those folks who want to go with period-appropriate colors and regalia. I don't know much about this period, but were English and French "uniforms" (I know that's not really the right term here) very different?
Jeez, and what about the Holy and Unholy folks?!?! What did they wear?!?!
There were no such things as uniforms in the Middle Ages. There weren't even countries yet (only feudal domains). Soldiers simply wore whatever they could afford (or their lord could afford for them) and the nobility all wore their own coats of arms. There would have virtually been no difference between soldiers fighting for the English king and soldiers fighting for the French king, no more than there would be a difference between the levies of lord A and those of lord B. Similarly, banners and symbols were also hugely varied.
You can just paint all of the generic troops as generic medieval soldiers and use them for both sides without historical accuracy problems.
The core pledge also includes coloured rings that can be attached to the bases to clearly differentiate which side they're on in this particular game.
Automatically Appended Next Post: The word is we're due an add-on reveal this evening. I believe at 7pm Paris time, so 6pm in the UK and 1pm on the east coast of North America. It's almost certainly going to be the Siege add-on, which along with the dragon was the other big item they had planned. This is going to include a castle, complete with ruined wall sections to swap in as it takes damage. The name of the add-on suggests it'll include siege rules too, but beyond that I'm not sure what else in it. We do know it's more expensive than the dragon add-on, so I'm expecting something in the $70-90 range.
Oh God save my poor wallet. I don't think I will be able to resist getting everything, and my wallet is still recovering from the last kickstarter I backed...
Iron_Captain wrote: Oh God save my poor wallet. I don't think I will be able to resist getting everything, and my wallet is still recovering from the last kickstarter I backed...
Does anyone remember how tall the old Mighty Fortress was from GW. We used to use it back in the day to play Warhammer Siege and it doesn't seem like it was noticeably bigger than this is.
Man... the minis look good, but holy hell does the game bloat continue. This adds ANOTHER card game, that has to be played as a layer, atop the miniatures game, the RPG game, and the euro-resource game. :-p
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Man... the minis look good, but holy hell does the game bloat continue. This adds ANOTHER card game, that has to be played as a layer, atop the miniatures game, the RPG game, and the euro-resource game. :-p
Ambitious... to say the least.
Just treat it like a buffet and take the bits you want. No need to have the RPG or the Siege mini-game if you don't want them
redben wrote: Does anyone remember how tall the old Mighty Fortress was from GW. We used to use it back in the day to play Warhammer Siege and it doesn't seem like it was noticeably bigger than this is.
The expanded polystyrene one?
I'm guessing (if 25 year memory serves!) that the towers were around 10" tall and the walls were 6-7" tall.
Of course, my memories may be suffering from Curly-Wurly syndrome!
Just thinking back to last night's Leo Live and the shots of the dragon lunging over the castle walls - it was like all my childhood dreams come true! I'm trying to be a bit more tactical with my addons than I was with MBP, but I don't think that I can avoid the Dragon and Siege expansions.
Siege adds something I've always wanted to do I'm considering going all in on this equally 15mm metals aren't all that expensive so I'm considering using this as an excuse to buy into the scale and add other ranges metals to provide variety.
I agree - I'm backing this heavily, hoping that economies of scale and their experience working on Mythic Pantheon (although not on their own) previously helps, but I get a little worried with all they're shooting for! I think it's worth backing for the crazy value, but due to the ambition it does feel a little riskier than many other things I've backed.
Also as highlord said, I'd love to see some smaller monsters - the Dragon is sweet, but some little wyverns would be killer and much more useable in game!
Leo showed off a print of the Tarasque mini on the live today, which is a 'smaller' monster, though still bigger than a house lol.
The Ars Nova add-on has had a new investigative scenario added to it, as well having the suspects doubled from 8 to 16. Also, tomorrow's add-on will be the compendium.
I'm tentatively in. Sounds like a fun game, but I'm limiting myself to just the core for now; I'd like to buy all the add-ons, but I don't think I can convince the wife that I need to spend all that much.
I might squeeze Ars Nova in, that sounds like a neat little extra bit. Plus Connery Monk is pretty awesome.
You'll have another chance to get add-ons when the PM opens so can spread the cost that way. It is worth getting the Maiden pledge during the campaign because that's the only way you get Gog and Magog.
The bottom two unannounced expanions seem relatively small (left appears to be flags and right book with perhaps the often requested play mat). Hopefully the other two have a bit more too them.
One of them will be the RPG. They had one for Mythic Battles and they've said JoA will have one as well. They've also discussed a 'Pimp My Box' add-on which will upgrade the components. I reckon those two will be the ones in the Legendary bundle that won't appear in any of the others. That suggests there's one gameplay add-on which is fantasy-focused, and one which is generic that are still to come.
Has anyone tried playing with the filters to see if the darkened pictures are actually shown?
I may go in pretty deep. I kind of regret not going bigger on Mythic Battles, but then again I didn't really miss too much in the way of exclusives, and hopefully the expansions can be acquired online somewhere down the line.
Oh wait - are Mythic Battles expansions not easily available? I'd planned on getting two of the core boxes here (to get double stretch goals) but waiting on expansions. Maybe I'll need to add something in the pledge manager...
Really, they should make an add-on with extras of the KS exclusive sculpts from the stretch goals. I'd likely add that instantly!
I wonder if there will be a Tabletop Miniatures Wargames ruleset for this, for playing the game off the grid.
Just imagine if players could choose to play this like Warhammer Fantasy Battles used to be, except in 15mm with amazing scenery.... How many Siege sets could they sell to make a really awesome Castle? How about players fielding multiple Dragons? Yeah, that's how they make the real money!
I'm half tempted to throw a buck in, just to suggest this to them. But then, I'm afraid that people would get mad because they'd "need" to pledge for even more stuff!
Well that's my gaming group's plan anyway . Although I plan to try their open battle system, too! Are you just suggesting one that doesn't use their tiles? I'm quite interested in trying it out with the tiles, otherwise we might play Kings of War but at a reasonable size
RiTides wrote: Oh wait - are Mythic Battles expansions not easily available?
Main problem is that these high-end games are just plain expensive, so don't move as quickly as, say, Magic or Star Wars Destiny. So a retailer is more likely to carry a less expensive game line they know will sell. Our FLGS has had Conan at 30% off for months.
Unlike miniature games, non-miniature boardgames don't sell and therefore don't have many expansions. Boardgames with miniatures have more expansions, but I'm not clear how many expansions a FLGS will carry. Again, an additional copy of a base game might sell faster than copies of different expansions.
What makes these types of games great for KS makes them poor for retail. The company sell direct in bulk and it allows them to offer loads of product to anyone willing to spend a bit of cash. By the time it hits retail it's gone through two-to-three mark-ups in price and so would be far too expensive to sell in its KS form. For Joan of Arc it looks like a stripped down version of the core box will go to retail, then anything after that depends on if retailers want it and distributors will carry. For projects like this it's always best to assume the KS and pledge manager will be your only chance to get it, unless it's an established company with a track record of taking KS product to retail, such as CMON. Even then, you're missing a load of KSE stuff with them.
I backed the original Zombicide and two of the subsequent four. I've paid for those pledges several times over thanks to the exclusives they came with. You really are missing out if you decide to wait till retail.
Not in the least. I backed Prison Outbreak and Rue Morgue. Of all that stuff, I've only kept the Rue Morgue core, extra dice & tower, and Zombivors. The exclusives are overrated and unnecessary. Having sold the bulk of it, I made a solid profit on Zombicide.
But what I've kept, all of it could have been gotten at retail.
Haven't they hinted at an apocalypse add on? I'm still feeling sorry for those who might want to play "holy", it really feels like they're not getting any love!
I'm assuming it'll be the same as the Mythic Battles minis, which is a high quality PVC plastic. I've played a game of MB using the final production copy of the box and the plastic is firm and holds all the detail
You definitely don't need the siege set - it's actually not at the top of my "to pledge for" list here, although I know a lot of folks have sprung for it. I prefer more tiny manz personally
RiTides wrote: You definitely don't need the siege set - it's actually not at the top of my "to pledge for" list here, although I know a lot of folks have sprung for it. I prefer more tiny manz personally
Perhaps not, but it's pretty attractive. The Village Set is even higher priority.
RiTides wrote: You definitely don't need the siege set - it's actually not at the top of my "to pledge for" list here, although I know a lot of folks have sprung for it. I prefer more tiny manz personally
Perhaps not, but it's pretty attractive. The Village Set is even higher priority.
For me it's all about the Dragon, but I accept I might have a Dragon problem.(I even have a heresy Dragon, but have to admit the master of the Joan Dragon is a very close second)
JohnHwangDD wrote: 250-ish tiny minatures for $120 is fair, but you kinda need to add another $80-ish for the siege set. $200+S&H is a pretty big buy-in.
You mean around 400hundread when you count in sg-s? An fes of thsoe are not really tiny, Beast, Death etc.
But yea, adding 80$ for siege is not cheap , but just look at it! <3
I always wanted castle, and this one looks really good and modular + you can use it for other 15mm rules system , doing sieges etc!
Anyone who goes all-in on this better hope the game is good, because that is more than enough plastic to last a lifetime of painting! For that reason alone, I'm not backing. Simply too many models
Something like that Seriously, it looks amazing, and if I wasn't getting KD:M tomorrow, I would be all over it. Might still have to get a dragon though.
Yeah, I was going to say similarly - obviously they've made some of these minis look fantastic, but blocking in base colors, washing, and a single highlight / drybrush is probably all the vast majority of them need.
I'm also really happy with the depth of the details for this reason - they seem to have sculpted with the scale and feasible painting in mind
Iron_Captain wrote: Aye, having painted historical 15mm minis before, they do not nearly need as much work as 28mm figures. Half the size, half the work right?
You'd think that, but not really in practice. Quicker, to some degree yes. However there are more of them and adding detail is more pain staking as it's easier to paint over bits with the wrong color.
Indeed. Too much highlighting can also make them look strange at times.
By and large its a great scale to use to give the grunts a basic paint job, and the characters, and the figures you're more liklly to look at enjoy for yourself a little more attention. As by and large the distances are great enough that its more you knowing they have a killer paintjob than others seeing ir
I still have a couple of tins of Army Painter Quick Shade back from when I first started painting so may give them a try on the infantry, if I do back this game, then only use regular washes and highlights on the hero and special units.
Hmm.. this one looks far too good to be true. Reminds me a bit of the hex layout of the old MB/GW Battlemaster actually.
What's the catch?
redben wrote: I backed the original Zombicide and two of the subsequent four. I've paid for those pledges several times over thanks to the exclusives they came with. You really are missing out if you decide to wait till retail.
Another good point to make is that you can really make some money back following a popular KS. I've probably paid for the KS itself by selling exclusive minis for Zombicide some months after it has gone on sale - you have just so many characters in those kinds of campaigns, a bunch of them and extra zombies and stuff that I know I won't use, you'd be surprised how much people are willing to pay for some of those after the game has hit retail.
When I look at most other (CMoN) minis KS, you get roughly 1x 25mm scale figure per $1 pledged. At half scale, one should get at least double the number. Personally, I think when scaling down, 1x bases / stands per $1 would be more correct, but 2x half-size figures is close enough.
As for the buy-in at $120+$30 S&H, that's quite a bit above the $99 clip level where I almost don't care. In my case, wanting scenery would push this to something more like $250. That's quite a chunk of change.
you are getting here aroun 400minis, some bigger, so that's around 0.37$ per mini which I find very good value. Not counting those building and terrain you are getting too!
CMON for me has 40$ shipping, so more or less costs me same as this.
Just looking at some 15mm models, you pay around 3.5quid for like 4 models with worse quality than JoA.
Problem with CMON is, their games are mediocre when it comes to gameplay, you get a lot of plastic though...but who cares for plastic if game is meh.
Sorry! Been away from pc for a week and it’s such a complete pain to try and post KS images via phone. Will be back at home later today so can start to post updates again (especially the first post).
RPG is now available. Hopefully this helps unlock the next stretch goal.
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The updated beast sculpt is now ready but they are holding off revealing for the moment.
Aeneades wrote: Sorry! Been away from pc for a week and it’s such a complete pain to try and post KS images via phone. Will be back at home later today so can start to post updates again (especially the first post).
RPG is now available. Hopefully this helps unlock the next stretch goal.
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The updated beast sculpt is now ready but they are holding off revealing for the moment.
I was only kidding!
These things take on a life of their own, and can be hard to keep up with, especially when they move so quickly.
If they go with Tepes then he was born about twenty years before the end. They've already had Wallace who died thirty years before the start so I don't see that being an issue.
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JohnHwangDD wrote: While this makes for an absolutely fantastic "15mm" historical fantasy toolbox, with only a few days left to decide, how is the actual game itself?
It's had universally good reviews from people who have played it. Techraptor and D6 Generation had it as their best new game at GenCon, Sam (Dice Tower) Healey had it third best at GenCon and top of his list of games to demo at Essen.
Rule book was long promised to be uploaded yesterday but no sign of it so far.
In the comments it was confirmed that additional pledge manager exclusive addons will be available for items frequently requested by backers. One of the examples would be a pack to turn Ottoman Army from a tiny force to a full blown fifth army.
I had the exact same reaction. I don’t think it helps that they have been advertising this as the addon to end all addons due to how special it was but compared to the others it is only average.
Also, Jesus really needs to give his horse a haircut as he can’t see where he is going.
I initially stayed away from this because the game looked to be a nightmare with all those accessories and I personally prefer 6/10mm more. But I'm getting seriously tempted now with all those miniatures, even though I would never play the game itself
I'm not convinced by the Ottomans. Good sculpts but single pose and I'm not sure we are going to get enough troop types and enough miniatures to be a viable alternative side.
The apocalypse expansion on the other hand looks terrific and has more of what drew me into the game in the first place.
Its easy to pad out the ottomans with vassal Serbs and Wallachians who would have been using arms and armor similar (though granted probably not identical) to the troops for England and France.
Does this mean I can now re-enact (or pre-enact?) the battle of Armageddon on my tabletop? Awesome!
Hell yeah! How will those moral guardians say things like fantasy, roleplaying and wargaming are sinful now? Look, my army is led by Jesus!
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plessiez wrote: I'm not convinced by the Ottomans. Good sculpts but single pose and I'm not sure we are going to get enough troop types and enough miniatures to be a viable alternative side.
The apocalypse expansion on the other hand looks terrific and has more of what drew me into the game in the first place.
I think I have heard that they will let you add additional Ottomans in the pledge manager.
Has anyone talked at all about the combat-mode the game was touting? IE, there's supposedly a more conventional miniatures game mode that talked about army-building, etc... but strips all the RPG/narrative elements... but that also hasn't come up very often.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Kinda late to ask, but do we know whether $1 pledges will get access to the PM to convert to a full pledge down the line?
I checked the FAQ, but didn't see an answer.
Yes but you won’t get the two Kickstarter “super exclusive” giant monsters. You have to back the base level in the actual campaign to get those.
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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Has anyone talked at all about the combat-mode the game was touting? IE, there's supposedly a more conventional miniatures game mode that talked about army-building, etc... but strips all the RPG/narrative elements... but that also hasn't come up very often.
They mentioned that a few times recently but not certain if in update or comments. They were talking about how they are including a kid of smaller armies such as the Scottish which will use the same miniatures but have different stats. Will try to find the quote when I get home.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Has anyone talked at all about the combat-mode the game was touting? IE, there's supposedly a more conventional miniatures game mode that talked about army-building, etc... but strips all the RPG/narrative elements... but that also hasn't come up very often.
They described it in some detail in one of the updates. Update 45 to be precise.
I'm really impressed with the art direction for the Apocalypse.
It's like Hieronymus Bosch meets Dali meets KDM; brave and just disturbing enough... Hey, I heard that you religious nuts like kissed mummified body parts of saints, well we've got a whole mummified Pope!
Looks like my dragon/devil/castle plan is getting swapped out for the mythic bundle. Just don't know if I can deal with scrapping the castle...
They're playing a live "Battlegame" right now... and they definitely sold me on it. Now unfortunately I need to scrape up $440 to go all-in on game mechanic addons.
If I put in $250 now, can I make up the balance in a Pledge Manager?
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: They're playing a live "Battlegame" right now... and they definitely sold me on it. Now unfortunately I need to scrape up $440 to go all-in on game mechanic addons.
If I put in $250 now, can I make up the balance in a Pledge Manager?
Yep. All you need to commit to now is the Maiden Pledge (if you want the bonus exclusive models). You can add as much as you like within the pledge manager.
The pledge manager is going to have extra addons as well such as an upgrade pack to a full Ottoman army.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: They're playing a live "Battlegame" right now... and they definitely sold me on it. Now unfortunately I need to scrape up $440 to go all-in on game mechanic addons.
If I put in $250 now, can I make up the balance in a Pledge Manager?
Yep. All you need to commit to now is the Maiden Pledge (if you want the bonus exclusive models). You can add as much as you like within the pledge manager.
The pledge manager is going to have extra addons as well such as an upgrade pack to a full Ottoman army.
Of course it will. ;-) In for a penny, in for a pound, I suppose. I'll justify it as also setting me up for any other 15mm fantasy game I might want to try out, terrain and all!
It helps that Leo is a terrific designer. I wish everyone (rightly) fawning over Shadespire would give competitive Mythic Battles a try next year. That game is incredible.
I really dig the Apocalypse expansion. I only expected the Four Horseman, so this loaded kit was a fantastic surprise. I love the design work and concepts. I'd already put enough in for the "Mythic" level (Devil, Dragon, Village, and now Apocalypse), so I'd already committed to it.
Only real decision left for me is whether to get Siege as well. But I'm very happy with the offered content. I hope it is a success and we get more ToL, for the Greeks or Vikings or whatever.
Thinking that I won't be able to get in on this right now due to finances. However I'm very interested and curious - from what I can gather
1) If you pledge now for $1 you can pledge and upgrade costs later for the same price as they are shown now in the pledge manager later
2) The only things that won't appear in the pledge manager are Gog and Magog exclusives; otherwise everything appears at the same price and in the same contents in the pledge manager. *
Am I correct on those two counts and if so anyone know the pledge manager cut-off date?
*With the exception of the early-bird backer option of course
For me, it's the issue of wanting all the terrain that goes with the minis. I want the Seige and Village buildings very much, so that bumps the price quite a bit from $120.
JohnHwangDD wrote: For me, it's the issue of wanting all the terrain that goes with the minis. I want the Seige and Village buildings very much, so that bumps the price quite a bit from $120.
Aye same for me - the siege stuff looks great and few games go far enough to have proper siege and I suspect it will be many years before GW brings anything like Warmaster back to the market.
Overread wrote: Thinking that I won't be able to get in on this right now due to finances. However I'm very interested and curious - from what I can gather
1) If you pledge now for $1 you can pledge and upgrade costs later for the same price as they are shown now in the pledge manager later
2) The only things that won't appear in the pledge manager are Gog and Magog exclusives; otherwise everything appears at the same price and in the same contents in the pledge manager. *
Am I correct on those two counts and if so anyone know the pledge manager cut-off date?
*With the exception of the early-bird backer option of course
Aye. You are correct on both counts. You can get anything currently on offer (and more) in the pledge manager apart from Gog and Magog. I do not think opening and closing dates for the pledge manager have been announced yet. They likely will soon after the Kickstarter closes. I would still recommend grabbing a base pledge now (for the cool giants, and to help unlock more free stuff), but if you really can't spare the money right now you won't miss out on anything except Gog and Magog.
IE does Villagers and Siege offer anything for those of us who just want it as a competitive battle game?
I know, for example, some terrain can be "bought" in battle-mode for your army, but does that include Abbeys and Mills, and all that jazz?
The same for villagers, the keep, etc...
They've said every mini is useable in battle mode (except the farm animals). The RPG obviously doesn't have anything. The Plunder box gives you more bases so you can have even bigger battles, but everything else should have quite a bit that is useable.
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JohnHwangDD wrote: For me, it's the issue of wanting all the terrain that goes with the minis. I want the Seige and Village buildings very much, so that bumps the price quite a bit from $120.
I split my pledges between the campaign and the pledge manager to kid myself I didn't spend that much lol
This KS is giving you an absolutely MENTAL amount of stuff.
I'm all in
I have to say... going all-in on game-play material runs about $440 total... but the fact that in terms of 15mm fantasy/historical terrain alone I will be set for life, makes it very compelling.
Are there any other great 15mm fantasy rules out there I might be able to use in addition to this?
There's a lot of rulesets you could use as even if they're not set up for 15mm specifically they're easy to convert. I use God of Battles, and just convert the distances from inches to cm. Warmaster from GW would need scaled up slightly as it's 10mm. DBA/DBM and Field of Glory are historical rulesets that can use 15mm, and Hordes of the Things is a fantasy version of DBA. Lion Rampant (historical) and Dragon Rampant (fantasy) are also options.
And yeah I know getting in now helps the KS unlock more - its more a case of juggling money around; KS this soon before Christmas is evil; too far off to convince people its an early christmas gift and too close to make you not think about the expensive period to come soon
Whumbachumba wrote: Argh, I really just want the Griffin and The Beast models! Not enough to drop $120 on everything for just them though.
Back it for the models you want then sell the rest? These kind of kickstarters with lots of exclusives tend to go for a nice bit of money because people who missed the kickstarter still want in.
These kind of kickstarters with lots of exclusives tend to go for a nice bit of money because people who missed the kickstarter still want in.
That's not a bad strategy, if you're looking to just get your stuff at a fair price.
That depends on the backer count. Zombicide 1 did great because the production run was small. Zombicide 4 & 5 had much larger print runs, so things are much less scarce. IMO, the days of big resale of KS items are over.
I think you'll have a lot of luck selling off most of the holy and you holy units, and probably the ottomans. That's what a lot of people have been clamoring for (particularly more angels).
Im probably going to look to set up trades myself. I certainly want more gascon serjants, arquebusiers, and pavaisiers. Im also not that keen on the more overtly Judeo-Christian holy/unholy stuff
You could equally back $96 now and just pay shipping in the PM, or $1 now and then $95 plus shipping in the PM. For purely selfish reasons, those us with Maiden pledges would prefer it if you did the former :p
Here's a size comparison pic of minis within the range. Falstaff is on the left, and is presumably 16mm to the top of the head. The Beast and Devil are to the right and are 200mm.
If they hadn't literally just fulfilled a similarly value rich KS to me (Mythic Battles Pantheon), i'd literally think this would be an over-promised, scammy kickstarter.... but no... they're just legitimate madmen, who want to make a mark on this industry.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Are there any other great 15mm fantasy rules out there I might be able to use in addition to this?
The Miniatures Page started as a 15mm historical wargames site, so should have recommendations for other 15mm rules.
Ral Partha Europe has Demonworld. RPG.net has a review of it.
That chicken is awesome. (: Still saving up for Batman, but, for those who received it, how do the Mythic Battles Pantheon game sets look?
Mythic Battles looks pretty terrific. For mass-produced board-game plastics, i'm very, very impressed with the quality and the value for the price I paid. It also helps that the game is EXCELLENT.
I threw a buck at it. I'll let future me will decide how much more, if any, to spend on this.
ETA - in going through the options, the $120 core is a really solid value compared to the expansions. Village and Battles are a poor value vs a 2nd core. Only the Siege and Dragon expansions are interesting because of the HUGE Castle and HUGE Dragon. For $85 and/or $65, how often would I play the Castle or Dragon?
There's no guarantee the dragon will be available at retail as it depends on the retail version of the core box selling well enough for retailers to want more. It'll also be much more expensive if it does make it. The Devil is another to check out if you want the minis for 28mm. It's almost as big as the FW Bloodthirster.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: If they hadn't literally just fulfilled a similarly value rich KS to me (Mythic Battles Pantheon), i'd literally think this would be an over-promised, scammy kickstarter.... but no... they're just legitimate madmen, who want to make a mark on this industry.
You have MB? I thought it hadn't cleared US customs yet?
I am incredibly torn with this game. I really don't need another game as due to limited number of gaming firiends it probably wont head, due to the number of unpainted models I have it is unlikely to ever reach my painting table and I wont be able to help myself and go all on which will be extremely costly here especially once the new pledge manager only addons appear. I watched the second half of the big battle demonstration and felt it was on the bland side with no-one manoeuvring, just rolling dice from the same position every turn.I am also running out of space!
On the other hand it seems incredibly good value for money, the terrain looks great and some of the models look amazing.
I already have several other games arriving this year /start of next and may pick up Necromunda so next to none spare time.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: If they hadn't literally just fulfilled a similarly value rich KS to me (Mythic Battles Pantheon), i'd literally think this would be an over-promised, scammy kickstarter.... but no... they're just legitimate madmen, who want to make a mark on this industry.
You have MB? I thought it hadn't cleared US customs yet?
Sometimes there are perks to working in the industry. I assure you salary isn't one of them... but there are a few. :-p
@Aeneades: part of the blandness of the big battle scenario is that the goal was to capture the middle, which isnt a very exciting goal, and one that doesnt lead to very dybamic battles. BUT itndoes show off core mechanics without getting too complicated
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What ever captures peoples attention the most, as I think I'll be introducing 15mm as a thing to all of Taipei lol.
Aeneades wrote: I am incredibly torn with this game. I really don't need another game
On the other hand it seems incredibly good value for money, the terrain looks great and some of the models look amazing.
I am still very tempted though.
Yup. Great-looking game in a compelling scale for fantasy battle, but not something I "need" in my collection.
Right now, I think I've talked myself out of everything aside from the core (and maybe Castle), though it'd be one hell of a toolbox. Really, it's the same as Rising Sun, where the value proposition is excellent, if that's the sort of thing that you want. The question is whether I really want it for $120+.
I'm doing very well to keep myself down to just the Dragon. I know I'll never paint or play the actual game despite how lovely and great value it looks.
The Dragon, at that price, I'd just irresistible though.
I already have way too many board games, I have numerous skirmish Games (too many to count and Necromunda likely ordered next week) and have a rank and file fantasy game on the way with Song of Ice and Fire. As soon as I decide to cancel my pledge I see the nice models again (it’s the buildings that especially keep tempting me along with the great value). I wish I had the will power to restrict myself to just a basic pledge but lack of will power means I always end up going all in.
I already have way too many board games, I have numerous skirmish Games (too many to count and Necromunda likely ordered next week) and have a rank and file fantasy game on the way with Song of Ice and Fire. As soon as I decide to cancel my pledge I see the nice models again (it’s the buildings that especially keep tempting me along with the great value). I wish I had the will power to restrict myself to just a basic pledge but lack of will power means I always end up going all in.
Well, go all in then and tell yourself you are now set for life. You will never have to back another kickstarter again. At least, that is how I justify spending too much money on every kickstarter.
I absolutely don't need this game. I have no space for it. I will never play it. I want to paint the minis I have got. The only other 15mm I have is FOW. Shipping to the UK on an all-in would be horrendous.
Iron_Captain wrote:
Well, go all in then and tell yourself you are now set for life. You will never have to back another kickstarter again. At least, that is how I justify spending too much money on every kickstarter.
I tell myself this at least once a month (will definitely be breaking this for Batman next year along with what ever else CMON want to taunt me with).
I believe this is meant to be a new franchise with annual releases in a different setting. So any commitment I make to buy this would mean I almost certainly go all in for subsequent kickstarters in the future. I have to say I am very interested in what some of the future settings are planned to be because there is a lot of portential out there especially with inclusion of deities and mythological creatures.
@Aeneades and Darkjim- don't resist the urge! Give in tonyour dark impulses!
Really though, its killer value for money considering all the stetch gials, and Im sticking to a maiden and a village pack (and hopefully a unit of arquebusiers if they sell them separately in the pledge manager)
And if your afraid of shipping costs just think about howbmuch it'll br to get all posted to Taiwan...
Those with doubts...going for base pledge 120$ and lthrowing Extra 15$ for bases, so that you can play with as much stuff you want is probably your best bet.
And if you are interested in just some models, you really won't have problem selling this for a profit. Since 120$ for maiden pledge is awesome value! They said retail would be 100% more expensive, so you are basically getting 50% discount! And excluzives which those people that missed KS will want...I mean, just look at the beast, he alone will be easily Worth 20$ in aftermarket.
And you help with push to 2mil which will be awesome 2 story inn with interior!
ulgurstasta wrote: I'm in squarely in for the miniatures, gonna use them for Kings of War and sell of/give away all the rules/peripherals.
I've actually always wanted to try KoW at 15mm, but am unfamiliar with model ranges I could use to flesh out other armies. I know its an aside, but if you have any suggestions for 15mm fantasy lines, let me know!
That said, reading about ToL and seeing it played has also convinced me to play it when it arrives. The value proposition sold me, but the game proper is also winning me over.
Realistically, I'm not going to be in a position to play this when I get it - it's going to be a few years before I've painted and got my act together. I move at a glacial pace!
However, I still play Battletech using the set that I bought over 25 years ago, so I'm hoping that this is going to become a long term investment sandbox game.
Medieval castle and knights game?
Medieval Agricola?
Medieval Cluedo?
Medieval slay the dragon game?
I want this to be a game that sits around the house for years and covers many eventualities.
This is looking really great, if I had the cash to spare I'd buy in. Though I may end up waiting for retail and just picking a few of the models up for other stuff, I love that dragon and the gryphon too. Hopefully the detail will be good on the PVC minis (they're PVC right?)
ulgurstasta wrote: I'm in squarely in for the miniatures, gonna use them for Kings of War and sell of/give away all the rules/peripherals.
I've actually always wanted to try KoW at 15mm, but am unfamiliar with model ranges I could use to flesh out other armies. I know its an aside, but if you have any suggestions for 15mm fantasy lines, let me know!
That said, reading about ToL and seeing it played has also convinced me to play it when it arrives. The value proposition sold me, but the game proper is also winning me over.
This will be my first foray into 15mm KoW, I usually stick to 6mm and 28mm. but I do like Khurasan miniatures when it comes to 15mm minis.
), so I don't think I will be able to resist backing this.
