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As you well know by now, faith is worthy of reward - so we’ve got a very special reveal to show you all. We know that loads of you have been crying out for an HQ option to lead your Adeptus Custodes in battle, and now, your wish has been granted!
Captain-General Trajann Valoris is master of the ten-thousand strong forces of the Adeptus Custodes. We think he’ll make a great leader for any Imperium army, whether you’re looking to field a force purely made up of the Emperor’s personal guard or a mixed collection of agents, assassins and more besides.
This legendary champion will be available soon - in the meantime, stay tuned right here on the Warhammer 40,000 Facebook page for all the latest news, and keep sharing your models, strategies and thoughts with us! It’s been a great journey so far - let’s see if we can get to 200,000. Just imagine what we’ll reveal then....
I'm not sure this is what we were 'Crying out for', but it's a nice gesture of support to a very underwealming army in 40k, that noteably didn't get touched by Chapter approved.
Perhaps there's some help for Imperial Agents yet..
AdmiralHalsey wrote: I'm not sure this is what we were 'Crying out for', but it's a nice gesture of support to a very underwealming army in 40k, that noteably didn't get touched by Chapter approved.
Perhaps there's some help for Imperial Agents yet..
It was a very frequent request on the Facebook user posts for the Warhammer 40,000 page. This is a pretty big thing for a lot of people.
I know I am thrilled. This guy is absolutely something I have wanted for a long time. Even if he does not come with a helmet (I strongly suspect he does), I would still use this guy. I love the halberd. Hopefully this guy is given some pretty great rules.
AdmiralHalsey wrote: I'm not sure this is what we were 'Crying out for', but it's a nice gesture of support to a very underwealming army in 40k, that noteably didn't get touched by Chapter approved.
Perhaps there's some help for Imperial Agents yet..
It was a very frequent request on the Facebook user posts for the Warhammer 40,000 page. This is a pretty big thing for a lot of people.
I know I am thrilled. This guy is absolutely something I have wanted for a long time. Even if he does not come with a helmet (I strongly suspect he does), I would still use this guy. I love the halberd. Hopefully this guy is given some pretty great rules.
Seeing I can't even make legal army without HQ for them HQ model is rather welcome!
Its not the chest plate, the feathers on the rumor picture are much more defined.
It might be the shoulderpad, as it does seem to have an eagle on the right side. ( you can sort of see the bottom of one)
That being said, the rumor picture eagle seems to be thrust too far forward for a shoulder pad. He would look pretty lopsided and from a conceptual standpoint would look much better on his left.
Thats my take on it anyway.
AdmiralHalsey wrote: I'm not sure this is what we were 'Crying out for', but it's a nice gesture of support to a very underwealming army in 40k, that noteably didn't get touched by Chapter approved.
Perhaps there's some help for Imperial Agents yet..
It was a very frequent request on the Facebook user posts for the Warhammer 40,000 page. This is a pretty big thing for a lot of people.
I know I am thrilled. This guy is absolutely something I have wanted for a long time. Even if he does not come with a helmet (I strongly suspect he does), I would still use this guy. I love the halberd. Hopefully this guy is given some pretty great rules.
Seeing I can't even make legal army without HQ for them HQ model is rather welcome!
Yup. Now I might need to get a few more squads of Custodes too. A couple Squads with swords and Shields and a squad with Spears.
It is a very nice mini. Since it is in plastic, and that rumour image is very similar but not this mini, it is either part if a triumvirate or part a larger range of custodes minis. My guess is that Rogal Dorn will be the next primarch but he will be commanding the custodes and not the imperial fists. I think this ties into something Sad Panda said ages ago about primarchs returning at the head of surprising armies.
Chikout wrote: It is a very nice mini. Since it is in plastic, and that rumour image is very similar but not this mini, it is either part if a triumvirate or part a larger range of custodes minis. My guess is that Rogal Dorn will be the next primarch but he will be commanding the custodes and not the imperial fists. I think this ties into something Sad Panda said ages ago about primarchs returning at the head of surprising armies.
Or it's just a bird for a model in Age of Sigmar and has nothing to do with 40k?
Worth mentioning that Wanderers are still sitting on a lot of hero models in Finecast/metal and they've been given a warlord trait and a relic both that grant a character with no ranged attack(which in this case means just the Spellsinger) a bird that gives a ranged attack instead. And that the bird in question looks markedly similar to that which the Nomad Prince has perched on his arm.
Chikout wrote: It is a very nice mini. Since it is in plastic, and that rumour image is very similar but not this mini, it is either part if a triumvirate or part a larger range of custodes minis. My guess is that Rogal Dorn will be the next primarch but he will be commanding the custodes and not the imperial fists. I think this ties into something Sad Panda said ages ago about primarchs returning at the head of surprising armies.
Or it's just a bird for a model in Age of Sigmar and has nothing to do with 40k?
Worth mentioning that Wanderers are still sitting on a lot of hero models in Finecast/metal and they've been given a warlord trait and a relic both that grant a character with no ranged attack(which in this case means just the Spellsinger) a bird that gives a ranged attack instead. And that the bird in question looks markedly similar to that which the Nomad Prince has perched on his arm.
In the rumour article, they said they were particularly excited to show that model. That suggests something primarch level.
casvalremdeikun wrote: I like him. I definitely want him to have a helmet instead of bare head, but otherwise he looks great. 10/10 will buy.
I think he's not bad. Agree about the helmet. I also don't love the megafeathers, but if he's a multi part clampack character, they ought to be easy enough to get rid of.
Chikout wrote: It is a very nice mini. Since it is in plastic, and that rumour image is very similar but not this mini, it is either part if a triumvirate or part a larger range of custodes minis. My guess is that Rogal Dorn will be the next primarch but he will be commanding the custodes and not the imperial fists. I think this ties into something Sad Panda said ages ago about primarchs returning at the head of surprising armies.
Or it's just a bird for a model in Age of Sigmar and has nothing to do with 40k?
Worth mentioning that Wanderers are still sitting on a lot of hero models in Finecast/metal and they've been given a warlord trait and a relic both that grant a character with no ranged attack(which in this case means just the Spellsinger) a bird that gives a ranged attack instead. And that the bird in question looks markedly similar to that which the Nomad Prince has perched on his arm.
In the rumour article, they said they were particularly excited to show that model. That suggests something primarch level.
There's also the whole Malign Portents thing happening next year for AoS, with each Grand Alliance getting a 'Herald'. They showed off Nagash's at GenCon or Adepticon and it was a big deal. I'd say something like that would qualify as "Primarch level", wouldn't you?
That said, the bird there only has one head. The Aquila is a Big Deal for the Imperium to the point where they actually have things like the Psyber-Eagle that Coteaz has.
I'd put money on GW doing Custodes and that rumour pic being part of a different one. Cant see the only release being a special character, and the head of the Custodes at that.
And I dont think GW would be doing them 'just because' FW's have done well, but because they've been writing them back into the fluff since Gathering Storm, which would ahve been prepped for a while. Plus the existing plastics would have been designed for a while.
He is beautifull. And I agree, this is one of the only times I have seen a GW head and think "This head is beautifull, it deserves to be exposed without a helmet"
Those feathers are a nice touch. It reminds me of old Fantasy Empire Generals.
I wonder how expensive he is, I was just wondering yesterday I really needed an useful but not Guilliman/Celestine levels of expensive HQ in my imperial soup supreme detachment. I have been using a Lord Commissar but he is downright useless barring being cheap and guaranteeing me that 1 extra CP
Im gonna need to get the Captain General, and the other Captain General when he comes out.
Very nice looking army, and I am glad I'll have an HQ I can take with out needing to borrow a Greyfax. Still probably will on occasion anyway though. The Captain General is a very busy Post-Human.
Good God Almighty. The Warhammer Gods have heeded my prayers. I was going to say I need one of these.....but in order to make a Battalion detachment I will need two.
He's got to have almost RG level stats. Not quite, but almost. Having two of those guys as HQ's (not Lords of War) might be interesting.
Sold, I need something to lead my 15 Custodes, damn happy hes plastic and the bare head is one of the best GW have done, I plan on painting his hair and beard black so its basically "Custodes" Riker leading my force.
I wonder if this means our begging for FW 30k units to be ported over into 40k will be answered as well?
Also, I wonder if the rules for the HQ will have weapons options, even if they aren't in the box. IE, use leftover arms/ weapons from the Custodian Guard box set.
Also, I wonder if the rules for the HQ will have weapons options, even if they aren't in the box. IE, use leftover arms/ weapons from the Custodian Guard box set.
If the Primaris characters are any indication the answer will be: hell no!
Also, I wonder if the rules for the HQ will have weapons options, even if they aren't in the box. IE, use leftover arms/ weapons from the Custodian Guard box set.
If the Primaris characters are any indication the answer will be: hell no!
Yeah, that's what I thought. On the other hand, that doesn't look like a standard Custodian Spear. Hopefully it's a spear +1, to be worthy of the General's rank.
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: Im gonna need to get the Captain General, and the other Captain General when he comes out.
What other Captain General?
As others have said, Valdor, FW showed off his CG render a while ago.
cuda1179 wrote:I wonder if this means our begging for FW 30k units to be ported over into 40k will be answered as well?
Also, I wonder if the rules for the HQ will have weapons options, even if they aren't in the box. IE, use leftover arms/ weapons from the Custodian Guard box set.
Probably just the Halberd ( S+2 maybe?), the Boltgun and probably a 4++ rather than a 5++.
Elbows wrote: I love me some Custodes, but this guy leaves me a bit flat...I definitely vastly prefer the Forgeworld limited fella. This guy just feels...off.
They are nearly the same. But I agree, the Muten Roshi FW one is a little better. But this plastic one isn't exclusive and don't go for 80€ on Ebay
While I am SUPER thankful they finally gave us an HQ, if he is a named character (and thus unique) that means we still can't make a battalion since we need 2 HQ's.
I don't know why, but I have a feeling that this guy will come in a Triumvirate box of some kind. Maybe the Lion, Mepheston, and this guy (would fit with the other pattern of a Primarch/MC, a redone character we know, and a new character.)
Anpu-adom wrote: I don't know why, but I have a feeling that this guy will come in a Triumvirate box of some kind. Maybe the Lion, Mepheston, and this guy (would fit with the other pattern of a Primarch/MC, a redone character we know, and a new character.)
Huh, you have a point here. Mephiston is a pretty dated figure in need of a refresh.
On another note, do Custodes even need a "real" codex? What if they give us something similar to the pamphlet thing with got in 7th? Couple strategems, Special Character, generic HQ, Dreadnought elite, one troop, Land Raider for Heavy Support. Just throw it out in addition to another release.
I think the main reason GW made the Custodes in plastic at all was to roll them out as a full faction. And to that end I see the primaris grav tanks as being both a bridge to keep the shock of custodes grav tanks minimal, but also pre empt all the eye rolling that would come from people looking at Custodes grav vehicles and question why the rest of the imperium doesn't get any of that that sweet sweet Terran old tech.
Of course that begit eye rolling of an entirely different nature in response, but that's my take on it at least.
He's got to have almost RG level stats. Not quite, but almost. Having two of those guys as HQ's (not Lords of War) might be interesting.
You cannot have 2 because a) he is a named character and b) there is only 1 Captain-General of the Custodes. You could have 2 Tribunes (and other high ranking ones) if they introduce other options ffrom fluff/FW.
Anpu-adom wrote: I don't know why, but I have a feeling that this guy will come in a Triumvirate box of some kind. Maybe the Lion, Mepheston, and this guy (would fit with the other pattern of a Primarch/MC, a redone character we know, and a new character.)
Huh, you have a point here. Mephiston is a pretty dated figure in need of a refresh.
On another note, do Custodes even need a "real" codex? What if they give us something similar to the pamphlet thing with got in 7th? Couple strategems, Special Character, generic HQ, Dreadnought elite, one troop, Land Raider for Heavy Support. Just throw it out in addition to another release.
If they actually allowed people to use non Marine 30k models there would be plenty for a full codex.
The model looks good - hoping for a Sisters of Silence character now
Carlovonsexron wrote: I think the main reason GW made the Custodes in plastic at all was to roll them out as a full faction. And to that end I see the primaris grav tanks as being both a bridge to keep the shock of custodes grav tanks minimal, but also pre empt all the eye rolling that would come from people looking at Custodes grav vehicles and question why the rest of the imperium doesn't get any of that that sweet sweet Terran old tech.
I think it made FW's life easier. Same for the HH Marines/Terminators.
If the core was plastic, then they only need to make the accessories and not waste time making moulds (or remaking them) for basic weaponless units (especially the Mk.III and Mk.IV Marines).
cuda1179 wrote: Well, you could just take one understrength unit of 4 custodes, then cram him in with them.
I think most tournaments say you can only take understrength in Auxiliary Support Detachments so you're also out a CP AND that unit no longer counts towards a battalion. So it would hurt there.
Custodes have limited arm movement as it is without restricting them further.
Without the shield, with a helmeted head, and with the axe replaced with a guardian spear, he'd be pretty cool.
Also, only the second ever model of one of the Lords Solar.
He's not a Lord Solar, he's a member of the High Lords of Terra. Still a second ever I think as the only other one (from GW) is Guilliman as the Lord Commander of the Imperium and head of the HLoT. Marcharius wasn't on the HLoT.
Custodes have limited arm movement as it is without restricting them further.
Without the shield, with a helmeted head, and with the axe replaced with a guardian spear, he'd be pretty cool.
Also, only the second ever model of one of the Lords Solar.
He's not a Lord Solar, he's a member of the High Lords of Terra. Still a second ever I think as the only other one (from GW) is Guilliman as the Lord Commander of the Imperium and head of the HLoT. Marcharius wasn't on the HLoT.
The Inquisitorial delegate is a revolving post; I suppose any Inquisitor model could potentially represent a holder of that position.
Custodes have limited arm movement as it is without restricting them further.
Without the shield, with a helmeted head, and with the axe replaced with a guardian spear, he'd be pretty cool.
Also, only the second ever model of one of the Lords Solar.
He's not a Lord Solar, he's a member of the High Lords of Terra. Still a second ever I think as the only other one (from GW) is Guilliman as the Lord Commander of the Imperium and head of the HLoT. Marcharius wasn't on the HLoT.
The Inquisitorial delegate is a revolving post; I suppose any Inquisitor model could potentially represent a holder of that position.
Really great model, like others have said the face has loads of character.
It also struck me, that the model would look really cool painted as a black dude.
Kapitan Montag wrote: Really great model, like others have said the face has loads of character.
It also struck me, that the model would look really cool painted as a black dude.
That is definitely an excellent idea! If he does not come with a helmet, I think I will definitely be painting him with dark skin.
Captain-General Trajann Valoris is master of the ten-thousand strong forces of the Adeptus Custodes. We think he’ll make a great leader for any Imperium army, whether you’re looking to field a force purely made up of the Emperor’s personal guard or a mixed collection of agents, assassins and more besides.
Given the background events in "The Emperor's Legion" book, he now commands eight-thousand strong forces of the Adeptus Custodes.
And his depiction in background clearly states his face is severely scarred.
Captain-General Trajann Valoris is master of the ten-thousand strong forces of the Adeptus Custodes. We think he’ll make a great leader for any Imperium army, whether you’re looking to field a force purely made up of the Emperor’s personal guard or a mixed collection of agents, assassins and more besides.
Given the background events in "The Emperor's Legion" book, he now commands eight-thousand strong forces of the Adeptus Custodes.
And his depiction in background clearly states his face is severely scarred.
The two centuries or so since that even are probably enough for the guardians of the emperor himself to find the finest recruits humanity hasto offer to replenish thier losses.
And enough time for the captain general to decide he wants a face lift.
The two centuries or so since that even are probably enough for the guardians of the emperor himself to find the finest recruits humanity hasto offer to replenish thier losses.
And enough time for the captain general to decide he wants a face lift.
I thought the cannon was the only Custodes were the ones the Emperor made back in the day. They are older than gak and can't be replaced.
I'm relatively sure it was never actual canon they couldn't be replaced, only assumed because the Emperor wasnt around to make them himself. But thankfully someone incharge realized that “The Ten Thousand”, aside from being a wonderful Xenophon reference sounds awesome, so they were confirmed to be able to raise new aspirants.
*stretches arms and shoulders in case I need to push small kids out of the way if it is an Limited Edition at GW store release*
Just bring a handful of extra parts and coin change with you and throw them in the corner while shouting "Free money and conversion bits!". That should get most snotlings to disperse.
Am I the only one that doesnt want a Custodes army in 40k? they are insanely broken in HH and I dont want anything like that in 40k... can we please have Sisters though :/
It's Custodes artwork that got me into 40k at all. Ive been wishing to get them ad a army for at least a decade and now... So deliciously close!
(though really I'm happy enough with the present infantry kits. Id really like some jetbikes in plastic, but could life without the other stuff I guess. But then Im mostly a modler and painter, and not a player...
He actually isn't, not even slightly. Custodes are one of those things that *sounds* really cool, and looks *extremely* cool, right up to the point you realise everyone else thinks so as well and now you're going to spend a significant amount of matches playing against what are supposed to be an incredibly rare faction with an incredibly specific purpose but who now apparently will be wiping out the PDF on Planet Bowlingball every other saturday afternoon.
Look at Marines - people's reaction to the super-duper-mega-ultra-elite genetically engineered supersoldier special forces guys became so blase that they had to introduce new, even more specialer even more superer Big Marines.
Custodes are like Titans - they look amazing in the art, and maybe seeing *one* special Forgeworld model show up on the table now and again would be awesome, but they shouldn't be standard fare.
Yodhrin wrote: He actually isn't, not even slightly. Custodes are one of those things that *sounds* really cool, and looks *extremely* cool, right up to the point you realise everyone else thinks so as well and now you're going to spend a significant amount of matches playing against what are supposed to be an incredibly rare faction with an incredibly specific purpose but who now apparently will be wiping out the PDF on Planet Bowlingball every other saturday afternoon.
Look at Marines - people's reaction to the super-duper-mega-ultra-elite genetically engineered supersoldier special forces guys became so blase that they had to introduce new, even more specialer even more superer Big Marines.
Custodes are like Titans - they look amazing in the art, and maybe seeing *one* special Forgeworld model show up on the table now and again would be awesome, but they shouldn't be standard fare.
This is certainly a valid point, but considering that nowadays half of the armies on the tabletop are led by actual Primarchs, that ship has kinda sailed.
I would have been more than happy for the Custodes and SoS to stay in the background. But then GW went and gave them some really nice models, so now I want more
Yodhrin wrote: He actually isn't, not even slightly. Custodes are one of those things that *sounds* really cool, and looks *extremely* cool, right up to the point you realise everyone else thinks so as well and now you're going to spend a significant amount of matches playing against what are supposed to be an incredibly rare faction with an incredibly specific purpose but who now apparently will be wiping out the PDF on Planet Bowlingball every other saturday afternoon.
Look at Marines - people's reaction to the super-duper-mega-ultra-elite genetically engineered supersoldier special forces guys became so blase that they had to introduce new, even more specialer even more superer Big Marines.
Custodes are like Titans - they look amazing in the art, and maybe seeing *one* special Forgeworld model show up on the table now and again would be awesome, but they shouldn't be standard fare.
Yeah it's a good thing that factions are currently played in rough balance to the rarity of their units in the fluff, and that only one out of every trillion imperial players field marines, that almost every Xenos player fields Orks and there's only one chaos player on the planet, who fields renegades and heretics.
Playable Custodes would throw that completely out of balance!
GoatboyBeta wrote: I would have been more than happy for the Custodes and SoS to stay in the background. But then GW went and gave them some really nice models, so now I want more
We can only handle so many Adeptus Astartes. I'm an avid fan of all things Space Marines, but even I can admit/agree that the line is rather saturated. It's nice and refreshing to have new factions like the Custodes, etc. to add to the mix. It would be nice for GW to fill out the Custodes line a little more. Here's to hoping that the line sells well enough to see that happen.
It's Custodes artwork that got me into 40k at all. Ive been wishing to get them ad a army for at least a decade and now... So deliciously close!
(though really I'm happy enough with the present infantry kits. Id really like some jetbikes in plastic, but could life without the other stuff I guess. But then Im mostly a modler and painter, and not a player...
while I would love to see all of the 30k Custodes receive balanced 40k rules, I would be placated by rules for the Contemptor sword&shield /spear and Custodes terminators.
I think plastic terminators could simply be a slight reworking of the current cataphractti kit. Use the existing CAD files, increase the scale by 5%, and swap out some details.
A plastic jetbike I could see being sold like a landspeeder. One per box, and at a similar price.
Yodhrin wrote: He actually isn't, not even slightly. Custodes are one of those things that *sounds* really cool, and looks *extremely* cool, right up to the point you realise everyone else thinks so as well and now you're going to spend a significant amount of matches playing against what are supposed to be an incredibly rare faction with an incredibly specific purpose but who now apparently will be wiping out the PDF on Planet Bowlingball every other saturday afternoon.
Look at Marines - people's reaction to the super-duper-mega-ultra-elite genetically engineered supersoldier special forces guys became so blase that they had to introduce new, even more specialer even more superer Big Marines.
Custodes are like Titans - they look amazing in the art, and maybe seeing *one* special Forgeworld model show up on the table now and again would be awesome, but they shouldn't be standard fare.
Yeah it's a good thing that factions are currently played in rough balance to the rarity of their units in the fluff, and that only one out of every trillion imperial players field marines, that almost every Xenos player fields Orks and there's only one chaos player on the planet, who fields renegades and heretics.
Playable Custodes would throw that completely out of balance!
@changemod: I see what you're saying and agree. It can be hard for some people to disconnect from the amount of players using X,Y,Z faction vs. their relative scarcity in the narrative.
Yodhrin wrote: He actually isn't, not even slightly. Custodes are one of those things that *sounds* really cool, and looks *extremely* cool, right up to the point you realise everyone else thinks so as well and now you're going to spend a significant amount of matches playing against what are supposed to be an incredibly rare faction with an incredibly specific purpose but who now apparently will be wiping out the PDF on Planet Bowlingball every other saturday afternoon.
Look at Marines - people's reaction to the super-duper-mega-ultra-elite genetically engineered supersoldier special forces guys became so blase that they had to introduce new, even more specialer even more superer Big Marines.
Custodes are like Titans - they look amazing in the art, and maybe seeing *one* special Forgeworld model show up on the table now and again would be awesome, but they shouldn't be standard fare.
Yeah it's a good thing that factions are currently played in rough balance to the rarity of their units in the fluff, and that only one out of every trillion imperial players field marines, that almost every Xenos player fields Orks and there's only one chaos player on the planet, who fields renegades and heretics.
Playable Custodes would throw that completely out of balance!
@changemod: I see what you're saying and agree. It can be hard for some people to disconnect from the amount of players using X,Y,Z faction vs. their relative scarcity in the narrative.
Seems like a rather silly thing to have a hard disconnect from. If they as a player ever played Marines at all they are part of it. Eldar of any flavor? Part of it.
I for one am glad the Custodes are here to stay regardless of whether or not other people play them too. Hell I welcome other people playing them too, because more sales = more models.
Well I can't give less care about custodians in 40k. They don't play part in our 40k nor do primaris, Guillimann or any of that new stuff GW has put that would invalidate our campaign and force to start from scratch.
However more custodians for our 30k games meanwhile is very nice. There they have logical reason to run along in limited numbers and they look pretty. Small force alongside other Imperial forces once in a while is nice.
Yodhrin wrote: He actually isn't, not even slightly. Custodes are one of those things that *sounds* really cool, and looks *extremely* cool, right up to the point you realise everyone else thinks so as well and now you're going to spend a significant amount of matches playing against what are supposed to be an incredibly rare faction with an incredibly specific purpose but who now apparently will be wiping out the PDF on Planet Bowlingball every other saturday afternoon.
Look at Marines - people's reaction to the super-duper-mega-ultra-elite genetically engineered supersoldier special forces guys became so blase that they had to introduce new, even more specialer even more superer Big Marines.
Custodes are like Titans - they look amazing in the art, and maybe seeing *one* special Forgeworld model show up on the table now and again would be awesome, but they shouldn't be standard fare.
Yeah it's a good thing that factions are currently played in rough balance to the rarity of their units in the fluff, and that only one out of every trillion imperial players field marines, that almost every Xenos player fields Orks and there's only one chaos player on the planet, who fields renegades and heretics.
Playable Custodes would throw that completely out of balance!
Because obviously the best solution to a situation where things are out of whack already is to just abandon any pretense of balance at all - afterall, adding more and more wrongs must just make more and more right, yeah
Also, I know it's a rarity around here, but it would be nice if, just occasionally, people tried arguing the actual point rather than the imaginary hyperbolic strawmen they cook up.
The "Custodes are a rare sing in 40k so they shouldn't be an army" reminds me to roleplaying in World o Warcraft.
Is not the first time that roleplaying in Orgrimmar (The Orc Capital) the players are actually 9 elfs and 1 orc. And theres people that say "Oh, now Orgrimmar is a Elf city? theres just elfs". But that people is ignoring that the background is bigger than the representation the players can do with it. If theres 1 orc and 9 elf players, then they should assume that theres thousands of NPC's orcs doing their lives at the same time in that city.
The same goes for Warhammer Armies. If in your club or FLG theres 8 space marine players, 2 Custodes players, one Eldar player and 1 Imperial Guard player one shouldn't assume "Omg, theres 8 space marines for every guardsmen force". No, thats to be honest a nonsensical way of viewing it. We are all grown ups, we should have the mental madurity to be able to construct our own narrative of the universe without caring with things like the player proportion of armies. Don't mix the on-rol with off-rol, for using roleplaying terminology.
In 5th edition, Grey knights were everywhere. There are only 1000 grey knights in existence, but 30% of the AdeptiCon armies (made up number) were Grey knights.
Why? They were an elite army and a GOOD army. Easy to paint, relatively inexpensive to start, and a WIN button against certain armies.
In 7th, Eldar Bikers were everywhere. Go look at old tournament reports. For a Dying race, they sure were killing a lot of themselves!
It's a thing that happens. Right now, Custodes look cool, people have wanted them for a while, they're more elite than Grey Knights, you can field an army with just 2 boxes of Talons of the Emperor, and you can spray paint the fethers gold and be 95% done!
What is your actual complaint, Yodhrin? You seemed to be bitching that there were too many Custodes armies. OK then. What should be done?
Yodhrin wrote: He actually isn't, not even slightly. Custodes are one of those things that *sounds* really cool, and looks *extremely* cool, right up to the point you realise everyone else thinks so as well and now you're going to spend a significant amount of matches playing against what are supposed to be an incredibly rare faction with an incredibly specific purpose but who now apparently will be wiping out the PDF on Planet Bowlingball every other saturday afternoon.
Look at Marines - people's reaction to the super-duper-mega-ultra-elite genetically engineered supersoldier special forces guys became so blase that they had to introduce new, even more specialer even more superer Big Marines.
Custodes are like Titans - they look amazing in the art, and maybe seeing *one* special Forgeworld model show up on the table now and again would be awesome, but they shouldn't be standard fare.
Yeah it's a good thing that factions are currently played in rough balance to the rarity of their units in the fluff, and that only one out of every trillion imperial players field marines, that almost every Xenos player fields Orks and there's only one chaos player on the planet, who fields renegades and heretics.
Playable Custodes would throw that completely out of balance!
Because obviously the best solution to a situation where things are out of whack already is to just abandon any pretense of balance at all - afterall, adding more and more wrongs must just make more and more right, yeah
Also, I know it's a rarity around here, but it would be nice if, just occasionally, people tried arguing the actual point rather than the imaginary hyperbolic strawmen they cook up.
Don't confuse stretching a point to absurdity for rhetorical reasons with an actual strawman: Marines are by far the most sold and played faction, yet are described as an extreme rarity on a regular basis. Heck, there's ten times as many Custodes as there are, say, Blood Angels.
I don't think the rumour engine thing is part of him, though it looks a lot like him. To me, this suggests that there could well be other Custodes releases to go with him.
That wouldn't be odd. One of the current theories is that armies that saw no changes in chapter approved were the ones who would soon be getting codices. There weren't changes to Custodes, or to sisters of silence etc. It may be - and this is pure speculation - that this means we'll get an imperial agents or talons of the emperor book in the first couple of months of 2018.
Mandragola wrote: I don't think the rumour engine thing is part of him, though it looks a lot like him. To me, this suggests that there could well be other Custodes releases to go with him.
That wouldn't be odd. One of the current theories is that armies that saw no changes in chapter approved were the ones who would soon be getting codices. There weren't changes to Custodes, or to sisters of silence etc. It may be - and this is pure speculation - that this means we'll get an imperial agents or talons of the emperor book in the first couple of months of 2018.
Which rumour engine thing? They confirmed on FB that the lion head is from him.
Yodhrin wrote: He actually isn't, not even slightly. Custodes are one of those things that *sounds* really cool, and looks *extremely* cool, right up to the point you realise everyone else thinks so as well and now you're going to spend a significant amount of matches playing against what are supposed to be an incredibly rare faction with an incredibly specific purpose but who now apparently will be wiping out the PDF on Planet Bowlingball every other saturday afternoon.
Look at Marines - people's reaction to the super-duper-mega-ultra-elite genetically engineered supersoldier special forces guys became so blase that they had to introduce new, even more specialer even more superer Big Marines.
Custodes are like Titans - they look amazing in the art, and maybe seeing *one* special Forgeworld model show up on the table now and again would be awesome, but they shouldn't be standard fare.
Yeah it's a good thing that factions are currently played in rough balance to the rarity of their units in the fluff, and that only one out of every trillion imperial players field marines, that almost every Xenos player fields Orks and there's only one chaos player on the planet, who fields renegades and heretics.
Playable Custodes would throw that completely out of balance!
Because obviously the best solution to a situation where things are out of whack already is to just abandon any pretense of balance at all - afterall, adding more and more wrongs must just make more and more right, yeah
Also, I know it's a rarity around here, but it would be nice if, just occasionally, people tried arguing the actual point rather than the imaginary hyperbolic strawmen they cook up.
Don't confuse stretching a point to absurdity for rhetorical reasons with an actual strawman: Marines are by far the most sold and played faction, yet are described as an extreme rarity on a regular basis. Heck, there's ten times as many Custodes as there are, say, Blood Angels.
Both sides I think have some valid points. If units were as rare on the tabletop as they were in the fluff, most players would be forced to play Guard or Orks probably. No one wants that. But on the other hand, few people (I hope) want endless mirror matches of Bobby G. vs his evil twin or whatever the flavor of the month happens to be at the time. Part of what most of us love about 40k is the setting and it does at least strain that immersive feeling when you're constantly pitting units and special characters against one another where it would be unlikely to happen in the background. All of us have to decide where along both of those extremes we'd prefer to enjoy the hobby, but it seems rather absurd to force others to pick the same spot on the dial as you do.
Personally, I'd love it if there were as much factional variety on the tabletop as possible, but I also want people to be able to choose the factions they actually want to play.
As for the miniature, I hope there is an option for a helmeted head, and perhaps even an alternate top to the polearm to turn it into a guardian spear as an additional option, but I do like the model. He'll be a lot of fun to paint.
Yodhrin wrote: He actually isn't, not even slightly. Custodes are one of those things that *sounds* really cool, and looks *extremely* cool, right up to the point you realise everyone else thinks so as well and now you're going to spend a significant amount of matches playing against what are supposed to be an incredibly rare faction with an incredibly specific purpose but who now apparently will be wiping out the PDF on Planet Bowlingball every other saturday afternoon.
Look at Marines - people's reaction to the super-duper-mega-ultra-elite genetically engineered supersoldier special forces guys became so blase that they had to introduce new, even more specialer even more superer Big Marines.
Custodes are like Titans - they look amazing in the art, and maybe seeing *one* special Forgeworld model show up on the table now and again would be awesome, but they shouldn't be standard fare.
Yeah it's a good thing that factions are currently played in rough balance to the rarity of their units in the fluff, and that only one out of every trillion imperial players field marines, that almost every Xenos player fields Orks and there's only one chaos player on the planet, who fields renegades and heretics.
Playable Custodes would throw that completely out of balance!
Because obviously the best solution to a situation where things are out of whack already is to just abandon any pretense of balance at all - afterall, adding more and more wrongs must just make more and more right, yeah
Also, I know it's a rarity around here, but it would be nice if, just occasionally, people tried arguing the actual point rather than the imaginary hyperbolic strawmen they cook up.
Don't confuse stretching a point to absurdity for rhetorical reasons with an actual strawman: Marines are by far the most sold and played faction, yet are described as an extreme rarity on a regular basis. Heck, there's ten times as many Custodes as there are, say, Blood Angels.
Both sides I think have some valid points. If units were as rare on the tabletop as they were in the fluff, most players would be forced to play Guard or Orks probably. No one wants that. But on the other hand, few people (I hope) want endless mirror matches of Bobby G. vs his evil twin or whatever the flavor of the month happens to be at the time. Part of what most of us love about 40k is the setting and it does at least strain that immersive feeling when you're constantly pitting units and special characters against one another where it would be unlikely to happen in the background. All of us have to decide where along both of those extremes we'd prefer to enjoy the hobby, but it seems rather absurd to force others to pick the same spot on the dial as you do.
Personally, I'd love it if there were as much factional variety on the tabletop as possible, but I also want people to be able to choose the factions they actually want to play.
As for the miniature, I hope there is an option for a helmeted head, and perhaps even an alternate top to the polearm to turn it into a guardian spear as an additional option, but I do like the model. He'll be a lot of fun to paint.
Hey if they must be in 40k then I can at least live with that, I dont want it, I want small allied forces attached to a main force, BUT, I can live with it if they get a whole army, what i do not want is them being anything remotely as broken as they are in 30k, its insane.
Mandragola wrote: I don't think the rumour engine thing is part of him, though it looks a lot like him. To me, this suggests that there could well be other Custodes releases to go with him.
That wouldn't be odd. One of the current theories is that armies that saw no changes in chapter approved were the ones who would soon be getting codices. There weren't changes to Custodes, or to sisters of silence etc. It may be - and this is pure speculation - that this means we'll get an imperial agents or talons of the emperor book in the first couple of months of 2018.
Which rumour engine thing? They confirmed on FB that the lion head is from him.
Lion head? I'm talking about this:
I don't think part of this guy. He's got very similar symbols but they don't quite match. I'm therefore wondering if there's more to come.
Now you're going to spend a significant amount of matches playing against what are supposed to be an incredibly rare faction with an incredibly specific purpose but who now apparently will be wiping out the PDF on Planet Bowlingball every other saturday afternoon.
Where this falls down is that this applies in a similar way to the Marines - especially the "snowflake" ones.
There are more Custodes (8000) than there are Space Wolves, Dark Angels and Blood Angels (6000 in total if I am being generous)
The Custodes are in the fluff part of the reviatlised Imperial war machine and out and about kicking ass
And lets face it the one thing we are not short of are Marines - given that this is one of only two new models for the entire 8th edition that are not Marines or marines related it should be celebrated
Yodhrin wrote: He actually isn't, not even slightly. Custodes are one of those things that *sounds* really cool, and looks *extremely* cool, right up to the point you realise everyone else thinks so as well and now you're going to spend a significant amount of matches playing against what are supposed to be an incredibly rare faction with an incredibly specific purpose but who now apparently will be wiping out the PDF on Planet Bowlingball every other saturday afternoon.
Look at Marines - people's reaction to the super-duper-mega-ultra-elite genetically engineered supersoldier special forces guys became so blase that they had to introduce new, even more specialer even more superer Big Marines.
Custodes are like Titans - they look amazing in the art, and maybe seeing *one* special Forgeworld model show up on the table now and again would be awesome, but they shouldn't be standard fare.
This is certainly a valid point, but considering that nowadays half of the armies on the tabletop are led by actual Primarchs, that ship has kinda sailed.
I agree with you both. The excesses of 6th/7th are unfortunately here to stay as its not fair for GW to screw over players who paid good money for figs not to be able to use them (aka the Squat Syndome). I'd have preferred if they were introduced (as well as Deathwatch, Imperial Knights, and Grey Knights) as a single unit that you could add one of to another imperial army.... but in 6th/7th (and to a lesser extent 3rd with GK), every miniscule faction had to have its own $50 soon to be invalidated codex and independent army fluff and balance be damned.
Yeah it's a good thing that factions are currently played in rough balance to the rarity of their units in the fluff, and that only one out of every trillion imperial players field marines, that almost every Xenos player fields Orks and there's only one chaos player on the planet, who fields renegades and heretics.
Playable Custodes would throw that completely out of balance!
There is something to be said about a game maintaining some variety and flexibility in army construction and faction choice. Marines have been around since the very first day of 40k (please go take a look at the RT book cover) and will always be grandfathered in. That of course doesn't mean that I feel that GW's spamming of solo codex books and army rules for so many chapters is right either. Besides, when there are a 1,000 chapters of marines with roughly 1,000 marines in each, that means there are around a million of them running around. Compare that with 10,000 Custodes and 1,000 Grey Knights. At some point, a line should be drawn and putting that line right after a faction that has formed the core of 40k since the beginning and are its poster children seems like a good place to put it.
Yeah, the proliferance of Primarchs is sillier than there being too many definitely-not-gold-Spehss-Muhrine superdudes, or too many Space Marines themselves.
People's collecting habits can't adhere to the fluff, or there could only be one of each character in the world, and other silly things. Let people buy, paint and play what they want to...
GoatboyBeta wrote: I would have been more than happy for the Custodes and SoS to stay in the background. But then GW went and gave them some really nice models, so now I want more
We can only handle so many Adeptus Astartes. I'm an avid fan of all things Space Marines, but even I can admit/agree that the line is rather saturated. It's nice and refreshing to have new factions like the Custodes, etc. to add to the mix. It would be nice for GW to fill out the Custodes line a little more. Here's to hoping that the line sells well enough to see that happen.
Refreshing would be more Xenos or hell more Chaos factions.
Mandragola wrote: I don't think the rumour engine thing is part of him, though it looks a lot like him. To me, this suggests that there could well be other Custodes releases to go with him.
That wouldn't be odd. One of the current theories is that armies that saw no changes in chapter approved were the ones who would soon be getting codices. There weren't changes to Custodes, or to sisters of silence etc. It may be - and this is pure speculation - that this means we'll get an imperial agents or talons of the emperor book in the first couple of months of 2018.
Which rumour engine thing? They confirmed on FB that the lion head is from him.
Lion head? I'm talking about this:
I don't think part of this guy. He's got very similar symbols but they don't quite match. I'm therefore wondering if there's more to come.
Yeah, that one is a bit different to the HQs axe but close enough that I don’t know that it could be anything else.
This is the one I meant.
JohnnyHell wrote: Yeah, the proliferance of Primarchs is sillier than there being too many definitely-not-gold-Spehss-Muhrine superdudes, or too many Space Marines themselves.
People's collecting habits can't adhere to the fluff, or there could only be one of each character in the world, and other silly things. Let people buy, paint and play what they want to...
Yeah, let people pick what they want. There's no way GW could or should control that.
The more options there are, the better. It's not like the absence of models stopped people from converting their own Custodes because they were inspired by the background.
I get that it's not great to have the background and goings-on on the tabletop clash so significantly (I got to listen to tournament players at my local store this weekend and it was Girlyman this and Celestine that all day long) if you care for the background and see the game as a reenactment, but there is no practical way of having a rich background and a regulated game at the same time.
Having so many factions is one of the reasons I like 40K. Other SciFi games make do with 4 to 6 factions. What does 40k have now, 20? A take all comers list with diverse players opens up a ton of variations in play.
Yodhrin wrote: He actually isn't, not even slightly. Custodes are one of those things that *sounds* really cool, and looks *extremely* cool, right up to the point you realise everyone else thinks so as well and now you're going to spend a significant amount of matches playing against what are supposed to be an incredibly rare faction with an incredibly specific purpose but who now apparently will be wiping out the PDF on Planet Bowlingball every other saturday afternoon.
Look at Marines - people's reaction to the super-duper-mega-ultra-elite genetically engineered supersoldier special forces guys became so blase that they had to introduce new, even more specialer even more superer Big Marines.
Custodes are like Titans - they look amazing in the art, and maybe seeing *one* special Forgeworld model show up on the table now and again would be awesome, but they shouldn't be standard fare.
This is certainly a valid point, but considering that nowadays half of the armies on the tabletop are led by actual Primarchs, that ship has kinda sailed.
That, and, let's be honest here. There are more Custodes than there are Ultramarines. More Custodes than Dark Angels. Same with Blood Angels, Space Wolves, etc Ten times as many Custodes as any codex compliant chapter, when you get to the numbers.
By rights, SM armies ought to be rare, if rarity in universe were to have sway over how common an army is in play.
But that would be kind of dumb, and I'm glad that there's enough variety out there for people to be able to find and play what appeals to them.
By the way, aside from Guilliman, we have the first ever miniature of the Lord of Terra released.
And given the present representation of the council, there are at least several more peronalities who can find their way to the tabletop.
Inquisitorial representative may be, and Fabricator General of Mars as a Fortification choice (god I love how they discribed his transportation to Terra).
Which rumour engine thing? They confirmed on FB that the lion head is from him.
Lion head? I'm talking about this:
[ don't think part of this guy. He's got very similar symbols but they don't quite match. I'm therefore wondering if there's more to come.
Yeah, that one is a bit different to the HQs axe but close enough that I don’t know that it could be anything else.
This is the one I meant.
Yeah this is why I think it’s some other, as yet unseen, Custodes thing. The style matches but it’s not exactly the same piece.
We know the first codex for 2018 is Chaos Deamons, maybe the second one is Adeptus Custodes?
That’s possible. Necrons and Tau are also supposedly in the mix.
I’d expect there to be a 40k release with miniatures before too long. So far we’ve had primaris and death guard, plus a bunch of books without minis. Daemons, tau and necrons don’t really need new models but talons and SoBs would need their ranges significantly enlarged.
This is still speculation. But we have a new custodes mini and a rumour engine thing that seems to match him very closely, but not exactly. I could be adding 2+2 and reaching 5 though. This guy could easily be a one-off.
Daemons will likely come with GUO and beasts and other nurgle gribblies. Tau and Necrons will probably be codex and limited kits, maybe a clampack shaper and cryptek respectively.
But i honestly dont see a major increase in the talons range. Giving custodes and sisters of silence hq models would let them take their own detachments with minimal model investment, and they could be rolled into an Agents of the Imperium book with assassins and inquisition easily.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Daemons will likely come with GUO and beasts and other nurgle gribblies. Tau and Necrons will probably be codex and limited kits, maybe a clampack shaper and cryptek respectively.
But i honestly dont see a major increase in the talons range. Giving custodes and sisters of silence hq models would let them take their own detachments with minimal model investment, and they could be rolled into an Agents of the Imperium book with assassins and inquisition easily.
It would be nice to see especially since Dark and Blood Angels got yet another specific model and reboxed minis especially for them.
While I would agree that rolling them I to Agents would be easy (and probably a good idea), I will also point out that the official 40k website lists Custodes, Sisters and Agents as being entirely separate factions. This makes me lean towards a range expansion.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Daemons will likely come with GUO and beasts and other nurgle gribblies. Tau and Necrons will probably be codex and limited kits, maybe a clampack shaper and cryptek respectively.
But i honestly dont see a major increase in the talons range. Giving custodes and sisters of silence hq models would let them take their own detachments with minimal model investment, and they could be rolled into an Agents of the Imperium book with assassins and inquisition easily.
It's entirely possible that you're right. I was just suggesting one way that it might go, but for sure nothing much at all might happen. A clampack character and the same rules printed again would be entirely possible.
When they reprinted the talons of the emperor box and added the 8th edition rules I took it to mean they wouldn't do anything more for them for a while. That doesn't seem to have been right, as at the very least they're getting their character.
That said, that eagle thing from the rumour engine does look a lot like a Custodes thing. It's almost identical to the device on the new guy's axe.
Chikout wrote: It is a very nice mini. Since it is in plastic, and that rumour image is very similar but not this mini, it is either part if a triumvirate or part a larger range of custodes minis. My guess is that Rogal Dorn will be the next primarch but he will be commanding the custodes and not the imperial fists. I think this ties into something Sad Panda said ages ago about primarchs returning at the head of surprising armies.
Or it's just a bird for a model in Age of Sigmar and has nothing to do with 40k?
Worth mentioning that Wanderers are still sitting on a lot of hero models in Finecast/metal and they've been given a warlord trait and a relic both that grant a character with no ranged attack(which in this case means just the Spellsinger) a bird that gives a ranged attack instead. And that the bird in question looks markedly similar to that which the Nomad Prince has perched on his arm.
In the rumour article, they said they were particularly excited to show that model. That suggests something primarch level.
Captain general of thr custodes.
Basically think a chapter master. Only more dangerous, powerful and skilled.
GoatboyBeta wrote: I would have been more than happy for the Custodes and SoS to stay in the background. But then GW went and gave them some really nice models, so now I want more
We can only handle so many Adeptus Astartes. I'm an avid fan of all things Space Marines, but even I can admit/agree that the line is rather saturated. It's nice and refreshing to have new factions like the Custodes, etc. to add to the mix. It would be nice for GW to fill out the Custodes line a little more. Here's to hoping that the line sells well enough to see that happen.
Refreshing would be more Xenos or hell more Chaos factions.
We really need non-FW Chaos mortals.
Unfortunately, I think making different xenos factions is a gamble GW isn't ready to take at the moment. IMO the probability of success isn't on their side.
GoatboyBeta wrote: I would have been more than happy for the Custodes and SoS to stay in the background. But then GW went and gave them some really nice models, so now I want more
We can only handle so many Adeptus Astartes. I'm an avid fan of all things Space Marines, but even I can admit/agree that the line is rather saturated. It's nice and refreshing to have new factions like the Custodes, etc. to add to the mix. It would be nice for GW to fill out the Custodes line a little more. Here's to hoping that the line sells well enough to see that happen.
Refreshing would be more Xenos or hell more Chaos factions.
We really need non-FW Chaos mortals.
Unfortunately, I think making different xenos factions is a gamble GW isn't ready to take at the moment. IMO the probability of success isn't on their side.
Agreed. meanwhile a nbew imperiul faction would have lore to support and and a built in purchase base.
What if they did a sort-of Human faction? They all ready did this with Genestealer cults, they could do it again in a slightly different fashion. I don't want to set the Squat clock back, but I could see something like that happening.
cuda1179 wrote: What if they did a sort-of Human faction? They all ready did this with Genestealer cults, they could do it again in a slightly different fashion. I don't want to set the Squat clock back, but I could see something like that happening.
GSC, Squats and Custodes IMHO represent the type of new factions we're most likely to see going forward for the forseeable future in 40k. Long eistablished background factions, with a built in fanbase and demand.
Honestly Squats are proably more likely then some completely new race
cuda1179 wrote: What if they did a sort-of Human faction? They all ready did this with Genestealer cults, they could do it again in a slightly different fashion. I don't want to set the Squat clock back, but I could see something like that happening.
GSC, Squats and Custodes IMHO represent the type of new factions we're most likely to see going forward for the forseeable future in 40k. Long eistablished background factions, with a built in fanbase and demand.
Honestly Squats are proably more likely then some completely new race
The Talons already have IIRC five unit builds from two infantry kits. So two or three more multi build kits, along with some clampack characters would probably go a long way to filling out the Talons as a viable stand alone army. Especially if they allow them access to some existing models as well(SoS Razerback or Custodes LR Crusader/Redeemer anyone?).
We already saw a small preview of Constantin Valdor from FW ... he is on his way as well and looks to be much more impressive than this Captain General ... I like him, but I guess Valdor will make him look like another Tribune ...
GoatboyBeta wrote: The Talons already have IIRC five unit builds from two infantry kits. So two or three more multi build kits, along with some clampack characters would probably go a long way to filling out the Talons as a viable stand alone army. Especially if they allow them access to some existing models as well(SoS Razerback or Custodes LR Crusader/Redeemer anyone?).
Agreed. right now they have 1 type of troop with two seperate builds, 4 elites (the SoS squad varients and a dreadnought) 1 heavy support option and a rhino option for sisters. a few HQ clam packs and honestly that'd be better off then some of the new armies are. give them a fast attack option and you've a pretty good army. nothing likely to be a top tier no, but eneugh that people'd be happy I think
GoatboyBeta wrote: The Talons already have IIRC five unit builds from two infantry kits. So two or three more multi build kits, along with some clampack characters would probably go a long way to filling out the Talons as a viable stand alone army. Especially if they allow them access to some existing models as well(SoS Razerback or Custodes LR Crusader/Redeemer anyone?).
Agreed. right now they have 1 type of troop with two seperate builds, 4 elites (the SoS squad varients and a dreadnought) 1 heavy support option and a rhino option for sisters. a few HQ clam packs and honestly that'd be better off then some of the new armies are. give them a fast attack option and you've a pretty good army. nothing likely to be a top tier no, but eneugh that people'd be happy I think
If they included the 30k units they would have a nice army. But not marines.
Yodhrin wrote: He actually isn't, not even slightly. Custodes are one of those things that *sounds* really cool, and looks *extremely* cool, right up to the point you realise everyone else thinks so as well and now you're going to spend a significant amount of matches playing against what are supposed to be an incredibly rare faction with an incredibly specific purpose but who now apparently will be wiping out the PDF on Planet Bowlingball every other saturday afternoon.
Look at Marines - people's reaction to the super-duper-mega-ultra-elite genetically engineered supersoldier special forces guys became so blase that they had to introduce new, even more specialer even more superer Big Marines.
Custodes are like Titans - they look amazing in the art, and maybe seeing *one* special Forgeworld model show up on the table now and again would be awesome, but they shouldn't be standard fare.
So just like Abaddon in 2nd Edition, and every other special unit in 40K?
GoatboyBeta wrote: The Talons already have IIRC five unit builds from two infantry kits. So two or three more multi build kits, along with some clampack characters would probably go a long way to filling out the Talons as a viable stand alone army. Especially if they allow them access to some existing models as well(SoS Razerback or Custodes LR Crusader/Redeemer anyone?).
Agreed. right now they have 1 type of troop with two seperate builds, 4 elites (the SoS squad varients and a dreadnought) 1 heavy support option and a rhino option for sisters. a few HQ clam packs and honestly that'd be better off then some of the new armies are. give them a fast attack option and you've a pretty good army. nothing likely to be a top tier no, but eneugh that people'd be happy I think
If they included the 30k units they would have a nice army. But not marines.
Maybe, on the other hand given the 10 thousand years I could see the custodes inventory changing a bit. honestly a overly mechanized army won't make a lot of sense given they've been guarding the palace for the past ten thousand years. so I'm fine with their only vehicles being land raiders. The Grey Knights strike me as not a bad template for the army. Vehicles mostly being transports, with specialized infantry making up the bulk of things
GoatboyBeta wrote: The Talons already have IIRC five unit builds from two infantry kits. So two or three more multi build kits, along with some clampack characters would probably go a long way to filling out the Talons as a viable stand alone army. Especially if they allow them access to some existing models as well(SoS Razerback or Custodes LR Crusader/Redeemer anyone?).
Agreed. right now they have 1 type of troop with two seperate builds, 4 elites (the SoS squad varients and a dreadnought) 1 heavy support option and a rhino option for sisters. a few HQ clam packs and honestly that'd be better off then some of the new armies are. give them a fast attack option and you've a pretty good army. nothing likely to be a top tier no, but eneugh that people'd be happy I think
If they included the 30k units they would have a nice army. But not marines.
Maybe, on the other hand given the 10 thousand years I could see the custodes inventory changing a bit. honestly a overly mechanized army won't make a lot of sense given they've been guarding the palace for the past ten thousand years. so I'm fine with their only vehicles being land raiders. The Grey Knights strike me as not a bad template for the army. Vehicles mostly being transports, with specialized infantry making up the bulk of things
I think they definitely ought to have the contemptors. I'm not too sure about the assorted flyers, mainly because they cost so much money, but they do look really cool. It's the obvious way to flesh out the list, and coincidentally the thing that's missing from 30k is a generic character model.
They've kind of boxed themselves into a corner now by selling the set with the generic land raider, rhino and contemptor. If instead they'd worked with FW to release a codex featuring the FW range, all would have been good. For some reason though GW doesn't ever like to do this, preferring to have two seperate teams working on the rules for their game. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me!
GoatboyBeta wrote: The Talons already have IIRC five unit builds from two infantry kits. So two or three more multi build kits, along with some clampack characters would probably go a long way to filling out the Talons as a viable stand alone army. Especially if they allow them access to some existing models as well(SoS Razerback or Custodes LR Crusader/Redeemer anyone?).
Agreed. right now they have 1 type of troop with two seperate builds, 4 elites (the SoS squad varients and a dreadnought) 1 heavy support option and a rhino option for sisters. a few HQ clam packs and honestly that'd be better off then some of the new armies are. give them a fast attack option and you've a pretty good army. nothing likely to be a top tier no, but eneugh that people'd be happy I think
If they included the 30k units they would have a nice army. But not marines.
Maybe, on the other hand given the 10 thousand years I could see the custodes inventory changing a bit. honestly a overly mechanized army won't make a lot of sense given they've been guarding the palace for the past ten thousand years. so I'm fine with their only vehicles being land raiders. The Grey Knights strike me as not a bad template for the army. Vehicles mostly being transports, with specialized infantry making up the bulk of things
The Emperor's Legion describes them as using the various Dreadnaughts and Terminators still. Plus like 2 different Fliers. I wouldnt be surprised if their old stuff just needs to be dusted off and put out in the field. Much like the Dark Angels they dont strike me as people to just have thrown out their old tech.
GoatboyBeta wrote: The Talons already have IIRC five unit builds from two infantry kits. So two or three more multi build kits, along with some clampack characters would probably go a long way to filling out the Talons as a viable stand alone army. Especially if they allow them access to some existing models as well(SoS Razerback or Custodes LR Crusader/Redeemer anyone?).
Agreed. right now they have 1 type of troop with two seperate builds, 4 elites (the SoS squad varients and a dreadnought) 1 heavy support option and a rhino option for sisters. a few HQ clam packs and honestly that'd be better off then some of the new armies are. give them a fast attack option and you've a pretty good army. nothing likely to be a top tier no, but eneugh that people'd be happy I think
If they included the 30k units they would have a nice army. But not marines.
Maybe, on the other hand given the 10 thousand years I could see the custodes inventory changing a bit. honestly a overly mechanized army won't make a lot of sense given they've been guarding the palace for the past ten thousand years. so I'm fine with their only vehicles being land raiders. The Grey Knights strike me as not a bad template for the army. Vehicles mostly being transports, with specialized infantry making up the bulk of things
The Emperor's Legion describes them as using the various Dreadnaughts and Terminators still. Plus like 2 different Fliers. I wouldnt be surprised if their old stuff just needs to be dusted off and put out in the field. Much like the Dark Angels they dont strike me as people to just have thrown out their old tech.
true but it also notes them not having eneugh dreadnought Chassis for all their lost warriors. So relative equipment shortages makes sense, but yeah a lotta room to add in some awesome minis. and of course if they are a fully realized army FW can then give us 8th edition rules for all their custodes stuff
GoatboyBeta wrote: The Talons already have IIRC five unit builds from two infantry kits. So two or three more multi build kits, along with some clampack characters would probably go a long way to filling out the Talons as a viable stand alone army. Especially if they allow them access to some existing models as well(SoS Razerback or Custodes LR Crusader/Redeemer anyone?).
Agreed. right now they have 1 type of troop with two seperate builds, 4 elites (the SoS squad varients and a dreadnought) 1 heavy support option and a rhino option for sisters. a few HQ clam packs and honestly that'd be better off then some of the new armies are. give them a fast attack option and you've a pretty good army. nothing likely to be a top tier no, but eneugh that people'd be happy I think
If they included the 30k units they would have a nice army. But not marines.
Maybe, on the other hand given the 10 thousand years I could see the custodes inventory changing a bit. honestly a overly mechanized army won't make a lot of sense given they've been guarding the palace for the past ten thousand years. so I'm fine with their only vehicles being land raiders. The Grey Knights strike me as not a bad template for the army. Vehicles mostly being transports, with specialized infantry making up the bulk of things
The Emperor's Legion describes them as using the various Dreadnaughts and Terminators still. Plus like 2 different Fliers. I wouldnt be surprised if their old stuff just needs to be dusted off and put out in the field. Much like the Dark Angels they dont strike me as people to just have thrown out their old tech.
true but it also notes them not having eneugh dreadnought Chassis for all their lost warriors. So relative equipment shortages makes sense, but yeah a lotta room to add in some awesome minis. and of course if they are a fully realized army FW can then give us 8th edition rules for all their custodes stuff
True, and their shortages might be made up for in the future. I do hope they get fully realized. Because I'm sitting on my bonus and thinking "Custodes Terminators for a game all but dead in my area? Or Justaerin Terminators I can atleast use to make a Black Legion Terminator army?"
GoatboyBeta wrote: The Talons already have IIRC five unit builds from two infantry kits. So two or three more multi build kits, along with some clampack characters would probably go a long way to filling out the Talons as a viable stand alone army. Especially if they allow them access to some existing models as well(SoS Razerback or Custodes LR Crusader/Redeemer anyone?).
Agreed. right now they have 1 type of troop with two seperate builds, 4 elites (the SoS squad varients and a dreadnought) 1 heavy support option and a rhino option for sisters. a few HQ clam packs and honestly that'd be better off then some of the new armies are. give them a fast attack option and you've a pretty good army. nothing likely to be a top tier no, but eneugh that people'd be happy I think
If they included the 30k units they would have a nice army. But not marines.
Maybe, on the other hand given the 10 thousand years I could see the custodes inventory changing a bit. honestly a overly mechanized army won't make a lot of sense given they've been guarding the palace for the past ten thousand years. so I'm fine with their only vehicles being land raiders. The Grey Knights strike me as not a bad template for the army. Vehicles mostly being transports, with specialized infantry making up the bulk of things
The Emperor's Legion describes them as using the various Dreadnaughts and Terminators still. Plus like 2 different Fliers. I wouldnt be surprised if their old stuff just needs to be dusted off and put out in the field. Much like the Dark Angels they dont strike me as people to just have thrown out their old tech.
true but it also notes them not having eneugh dreadnought Chassis for all their lost warriors. So relative equipment shortages makes sense, but yeah a lotta room to add in some awesome minis. and of course if they are a fully realized army FW can then give us 8th edition rules for all their custodes stuff
True, and their shortages might be made up for in the future. I do hope they get fully realized. Because I'm sitting on my bonus and thinking "Custodes Terminators for a game all but dead in my area? Or Justaerin Terminators I can atleast use to make a Black Legion Terminator army?"
I doubt they'll get terminators. that'd be a pretty redundant unit choice given their standard units are 2+/5++
I could see Custodes terminators with 4+ invulnerable, 3 wounds, and the only way to have infantry heavy weapons. What's that FW flamer thing like? Could be a great anti horde unit too if you had 3 to 5 guys all throwing out 2D6 auto hits at strength 6.
cuda1179 wrote: I could see Custodes terminators with 4+ invulnerable, 3 wounds, and the only way to have infantry heavy weapons. What's that FW flamer thing like? Could be a great anti horde unit too if you had 3 to 5 guys all throwing out 2D6 auto hits at strength 6.
Yeah, sort of like Agressors are now to primaris marines
They could also be the way to have a ranged weapon with good AP. Custodes own when they charge, but their shooting is less than lackluster. With their low numbers it's super easy to stay out of their threat range.
cuda1179 wrote:I could see Custodes terminators with 4+ invulnerable, 3 wounds, and the only way to have infantry heavy weapons. What's that FW flamer thing like? Could be a great anti horde unit too if you had 3 to 5 guys all throwing out 2D6 auto hits at strength 6.
In 30k those Flamers are S6 AP6, but have torrent, so they'd be ok in 40k S6 AP - with what 18" Range? That's what torrent weapons do now right? Their Bolters would be godly, S5 AP -1 Rapid Fire 2 with Mortal Wounds on a 6 if they carry over the fact that they'd cause instant death.
cuda1179 wrote:They could also be the way to have a ranged weapon with good AP. Custodes own when they charge, but their shooting is less than lackluster. With their low numbers it's super easy to stay out of their threat range.
See the thing about their Boltguns, though they could also add their Adrathic weapons which would be low strength low range Plasmagun-Melta hybrids (S5 AP -3 or something) more than likely. Their Melee weapons would also be great, their Power Fists and Lightning Claws would probably be the Master Crafted versions. While I want their Terminators in 40k, they will clearly need some retooling.
St6, 18 inch range flamers on a unit that can deep strike would be killer in 8th edition. That would wipe medium infantry and lite vehicles. Also like the sounds of those bolters
cuda1179 wrote: What if they did a sort-of Human faction? They all ready did this with Genestealer cults, they could do it again in a slightly different fashion. I don't want to set the Squat clock back, but I could see something like that happening.
GSC, Squats and Custodes IMHO represent the type of new factions we're most likely to see going forward for the forseeable future in 40k. Long eistablished background factions, with a built in fanbase and demand.
Honestly Squats are proably more likely then some completely new race
wait, am I seeing this right? have the custodes dramatically upped their "completely unusable weapon" game with a weapon that actually fires the boltgun attachment DIRECTLY into the fingers of the right hand of the person holding it?
the_scotsman wrote: wait, am I seeing this right? have the custodes dramatically upped their "completely unusable weapon" game with a weapon that actually fires the boltgun attachment DIRECTLY into the fingers of the right hand of the person holding it?
that's amazing.
The bolter is at the top of the weapon where the axehead attached. What you're looking at is just the ornate and oversized renaissance matchlock style trigger.
the_scotsman wrote: wait, am I seeing this right? have the custodes dramatically upped their "completely unusable weapon" game with a weapon that actually fires the boltgun attachment DIRECTLY into the fingers of the right hand of the person holding it?
that's amazing.
Uh, what? Who on earth holds their axe/halberd by the top of the axe blade? Why would you say such a thing?
the_scotsman wrote: wait, am I seeing this right? have the custodes dramatically upped their "completely unusable weapon" game with a weapon that actually fires the boltgun attachment DIRECTLY into the fingers of the right hand of the person holding it?
the_scotsman wrote: wait, am I seeing this right? have the custodes dramatically upped their "completely unusable weapon" game with a weapon that actually fires the boltgun attachment DIRECTLY into the fingers of the right hand of the person holding it?
that's amazing.
Ah, gotcha, I was confused. OK, so it's just a 12 foot long straight polearm with a gun barrel positioned right next to a probably 100+ pound axe head held by a man wearing armor that makes it physically impossible for him to hold it in any kind of reasonable firing position.
He could probably fire it randomly while swinging it around, that would definitely look intimidating at least!
Yeah, we don't want to let the fact that this is a science fiction setting and explained that Custodes are genetic supermen get in the way of someone's pointless complaints...
Ghaz wrote: Yeah, we don't want to let the fact that this is a science fiction setting and explained that Custodes are genetic supermen get in the way of someone's pointless complaints...
Ghaz wrote: Yeah, we don't want to let the fact that this is a science fiction setting and explained that Custodes are genetic supermen get in the way of someone's pointless complaints...
Good science fiction has internal consistency.
Hasn't been Warhammer40k internally consistent at depicting incoherent and non-functional weaponry from his inception? Powerclaws, Dreadnoughts ,etc...
Misread the thread title.
Now I really want to do an army of Adeptus Custodians.
Power mop with boltgun attachment (for those tough to get stains).
Heavy feather duster with relentless for dusting on-the-move.
Ghaz wrote: Yeah, we don't want to let the fact that this is a science fiction setting and explained that Custodes are genetic supermen get in the way of someone's pointless complaints...
Good science fiction has internal consistency.
Hasn't been Warhammer40k internally consistent at depicting incoherent and non-functional weaponry from his inception? Powerclaws, Dreadnoughts ,etc...
The Custodes spear is based on the ancient Fire Lance, a real weapon.
Ghaz wrote: Yeah, we don't want to let the fact that this is a science fiction setting and explained that Custodes are genetic supermen get in the way of someone's pointless complaints...
Good science fiction has internal consistency.
Hasn't been Warhammer40k internally consistent at depicting incoherent and non-functional weaponry from his inception? Powerclaws, Dreadnoughts ,etc...
Those are easier to imagine than a gun that shoots the weapon holder.
Ghaz wrote: Yeah, we don't want to let the fact that this is a science fiction setting and explained that Custodes are genetic supermen get in the way of someone's pointless complaints...
Good science fiction has internal consistency.
Hasn't been Warhammer40k internally consistent at depicting incoherent and non-functional weaponry from his inception? Powerclaws, Dreadnoughts ,etc...
The Custodes spear is based on the ancient Fire Lance, a real weapon.
Oh, sorry. I wasn't atacking the Custodes weapon. Quite the contrary, I was defending the silly weapons that Warhammer has. Rule of cool trumps nearly everything. And as you say, that weapon isn't "Non fuctional". Both Plate Armour and Weapons aren't as heavy as people think. A supermen like a Custodes, with an Armour that not only, doesn't reduces his physical capabilities but enchance it (Space marines aren't slower with power armour, they are actually faster), shouldn't have any kind of problem fighting with a Halbert. And plate armour allow for a much bigger range of movement that people gives credit for.
But this is not the thread to discuss this in detail, I apologice.
the_scotsman wrote: wait, am I seeing this right? have the custodes dramatically upped their "completely unusable weapon" game with a weapon that actually fires the boltgun attachment DIRECTLY into the fingers of the right hand of the person holding it?
that's amazing.
Ah, gotcha, I was confused. OK, so it's just a 12 foot long straight polearm with a gun barrel positioned right next to a probably 100+ pound axe head held by a man wearing armor that makes it physically impossible for him to hold it in any kind of reasonable firing position.
He could probably fire it randomly while swinging it around, that would definitely look intimidating at least!
how is this different from a regular Custodes Halberd? Both are based on real life weapons.
He probably didn't know where the trigger of the gun is
They're strictly hip fire only weapon, Although it's best to stick the blade inside the target before firing away for maximum accuracy , this is why the spear is better than the Axe imo.
PourSpelur wrote: Misread the thread title.
Now I really want to do an army of Adeptus Custodians.
Power mop with boltgun attachment (for those tough to get stains).
Heavy feather duster with relentless for dusting on-the-move.
So this thread isn’t about a job opening in Nottingham?
Chopstick wrote: He probably didn't know where the trigger of the gun is
They're strictly hip fire only weapon, Although it's best to stick the blade inside the target before firing away for maximum accuracy , this is why the spear is better than the Axe imo.
No way. An axe is an upgrade over a spear because it allows you to behead heretics much more easily. And we all know that righteous hatred of the heretic is much better expressed by cutting their heads off then by stabbing them. This is why the axe is better. There simply is no better tool for to truly show your devotion to the God-Emperor (Our Undying Lord) by beheading and shooting heretics at the same time.
You know, I like to believe that ' what is the most righteous method and weapon to kill heretics?' is a really important theological debate within the Imperium. Wars have probably been fought over it between disputing parties.
Ben2 wrote: It might be the 23rd December pre-order. 16th is the EZ build.
one can hope. although I kinda hope it isn't. I hope it's mid january and part of a talons of the emperor codex release
There won't be a talons of the emperor codex release in Jan.
However from things I've heard there is a strong possibility of an Imperial Agents (Custodes, Sisters of Silence, Assassins, Inquisitors) codex at some point. But if I were GW I would probably make it the last codex released because Orks, Tau, etc need their codices first before Imperial soup gets more options.
Ben2 wrote: It might be the 23rd December pre-order. 16th is the EZ build.
one can hope. although I kinda hope it isn't. I hope it's mid january and part of a talons of the emperor codex release
There won't be a talons of the emperor codex release in Jan.
However from things I've heard there is a strong possibility of an Imperial Agents (Custodes, Sisters of Silence, Assassins, Inquisitors) codex at some point. But if I were GW I would probably make it the last codex released because Orks, Tau, etc need their codices first before Imperial soup gets more options.
keep in mind what's "needed" is going to take second shift to "what sells" otherwise well.. we'd have plastic sisters by now
While i dont expect a codex release in Jan (Malign Portents webpage for AoS has a countdown to early Jan), I had heard rumours of a Custodes codex coming. And i thingk some of the rumour pics that have been released might hint at them too.
Yeah a lot of the rumour engine pics could potentially be Custodes stuff. You've got that reactor thing, the most recent plume, the eagle shoulder pad (or whatever it is). They could easily be something else entirely, but the mechanicus thing is certainly a new imperial model, of a kind that needs a reactor to power it.
Would love to see Rak'Gol most of all - an army like the AOS Beastclaw Raiders or Tyranid Monster Mash where you have a legit playable army made from a small number of very badass aliens including techno-shamans and cybernetically modified monsters.
Would probably be terrible in the game but whatevs.
Anyway my local Warhammer store owner thinks there's a big Custodes release upcoming with a Talons codex and a plastic jetbike. I know that probably means nothing but... hey... one more baseless unsourced rumor for the rumor mill!!!
Weird, I'd have assumed that, if anything, the next custodes release would have been terminators or dreadnought conversions. The jetbike seems like an odd choice. Don't get me wrong, I'll take whatever variety I can get.
The jetbikes have been a staple part of Custodes art for a long time.
Wasn't there something in one of the latest Dark Angel updates saying that Sammael's jetbike wasn't the only one left in the Imperium?
I agree that jetbikes are definitely a custodes thing. Just that terminators are also a custodes thing, and would be a more likely kit. Let's just hope they get both.
cuda1179 wrote: I agree that jetbikes are definitely a custodes thing. Just that terminators are also a custodes thing, and would be a more likely kit. Let's just hope they get both.
I can agree with this. The Forgeworld Custodes Termis are pretty snazzy. Just have to get them in plastic now to make them somewhat affordable
Mandragola wrote: If I had to guess (and without any concrete info I do!), I’d expect them not to directly duplicate FW stuff.
I wouldn't say that's an absolute these days, but I very much doubt they'll duplicate FW stuff that's only just come out fairly recently. If they do a Custodes army(bleugh) they'll release newshiny stuff initially and rely on FW to pad-out the roster with an Imperial Armour release, then plasticise the FW units next edition assuming the army sells well.
A while back I read that the Custodes sold better than GW anticipated. Not Space Marine good, but better than other sideshow units GW has put out in the past.
Something like that could very well have enough demand for a release similar to genestealer cults. Heck, Grey kights only have three dedicated boxes.
cuda1179 wrote: A while back I read that the Custodes sold better than GW anticipated. Not Space Marine good, but better than other sideshow units GW has put out in the past.
Something like that could very well have enough demand for a release similar to genestealer cults. Heck, Grey kights only have three dedicated boxes.
the talons of the emperor box set was actually sold out this christmas which is impressive considering it's a year old boxed set. my guess is demand has leapt in anticipation of having an HQ and thus being a viable army
Talons has been on the last chance to buy shelf at my GW for months, so being sold out isn’t that much of a feat. Production problems have forced GW to focus on the smaller kits lately.
Mandragola wrote: If I had to guess (and without any concrete info I do!), I’d expect them not to directly duplicate FW stuff.
I wouldn't say that's an absolute these days, but I very much doubt they'll duplicate FW stuff that's only just come out fairly recently. If they do a Custodes army(bleugh) they'll release newshiny stuff initially and rely on FW to pad-out the roster with an Imperial Armour release, then plasticise the FW units next edition assuming the army sells well.
Maybe GW will give us the hover Rhino's we all want in plastic. Maybe a better looking jetbike too.
nordsturmking wrote: Right at the end of this Bols post you can the Feb. 2018 teaser and it says "A whole lot of gold" that could very well be a custodes release.
Or you could have looked at Warham-77's posts here on Dakka, seen those same teasers and noticed that Malign Portents(an Age of Sigmar event) starts in January and has an "army building" component to it...
Captain-General Trajann Valoris was said to be "coming soon" according to GW, and that was back around Thanksgiving. February is three months, so if not by then I wouldn't exactly say that's "soon".
cuda1179 wrote: Captain-General Trajann Valoris was said to be "coming soon" according to GW, and that was back around Thanksgiving. February is three months, so if not by then I wouldn't exactly say that's "soon".
cuda1179 wrote: Captain-General Trajann Valoris was said to be "coming soon" according to GW, and that was back around Thanksgiving. February is three months, so if not by then I wouldn't exactly say that's "soon".
Early febuary is reasonably soon honestly.
Like I said, if not by February, then it's not soon. February is still there I'd say.
My french is pretty limited but I tried to follow a News&Rumor thread on WarFo regarding future Custodes releases for a while. Correct me if I'm wrong but user Mika117 expects a Codex Custodes or something similiar to be released around February/March. This was back in November. See Page 1
Dulahan wrote: My own limited French seems to go along with the above interpretation.
And otherwise, "A Lot of Gold" doesn't have to mean JUST Custodes or Sigmarines. Maybe it means both will be focused on?
Could also be mercenaries as they could cost “A lot of Gold”, dwarves as they dig up a lot of gold or just some really wealthy pimp....wait....Slaanesh is rumored to be coming back...
Yes, nothing new, just apparently French Wargame Studio, a French YouTube channel told them that february is gonna be Custodes. Noone knew why then, but now...
Mika wrote the same ( February = Custodes) but didn't give more infos (why ? Who told him ?).
Then another one is telling that february is Tau^^ that GW advanced some dates, and that it is not going to be custodes but stormcasts, I guess he is gonna be quite surprised.
Mandragola wrote: I don't think the rumour engine thing is part of him, though it looks a lot like him. To me, this suggests that there could well be other Custodes releases to go with him.
That wouldn't be odd. One of the current theories is that armies that saw no changes in chapter approved were the ones who would soon be getting codices. There weren't changes to Custodes, or to sisters of silence etc. It may be - and this is pure speculation - that this means we'll get an imperial agents or talons of the emperor book in the first couple of months of 2018.
Woohoo, called it... kind of. Shame it's just Custodes on their own.
Fireball wrote: looking at that Death Guard release now I am dreaming of Custodes getting at least two more single character models besides Valoris ...
Since the terminator thread was locked and now the multi-thread is locked, I'm bumping this for Custodes Rumor Discussion. (If a mod could change the thread title, that'd be great)
Looks like we may be getting this dex in the first half of Feb if the rumor is correct, which is much sooner than I expected.
I'm hoping in one of these new kits we get we get a generic HQ choice for the Custodes.
Anyone else spy anything interesting about our Golden Warriors of Doom around the net?
Sadly the 40k Custodes rules refer to a unit sergeant as a Shield Captain, even though those are indeed rare enough to be Captain equivalents within the Custodes ranks and make more sense as an HQ.
The Terminators can be taken in units of 1, so I think they have done that for two reasons:
-Allow Custodes to have cheap units (The same with the min size of a custodes unit, it will change from min 5 to 3) to don't end with 150 points in their army that they can't fill.
-To use the 3-man terminator box to build characters and not be punished.
I believe the Shield Captain and Vexilus Praetor in the back of the box will be generic HQ's. Probably the Vexilus will be a elite, like an Ancient.
changemod wrote: Sadly the 40k Custodes rules refer to a unit sergeant as a Shield Captain, even though those are indeed rare enough to be Captain equivalents within the Custodes ranks and make more sense as an HQ.
I have a very, very hard time imagining that standard bearer being worthwhile if he needs to give up his close combat weapon to hold it despite being a highly expensive Custodes terminator.
Heck, the only reason I even have a Vexilla modeled amongst my Custodes as-is is because I built him for 30k where he could take a Solarite gauntlet in his other hand.
changemod wrote: I have a very, very hard time imagining that standard bearer being worthwhile if he needs to give up his close combat weapon to hold it despite being a highly expensive Custodes terminator.
Heck, the only reason I even have a Vexilla modeled amongst my Custodes as-is is because I built him for 30k where he could take a Solarite gauntlet in his other hand.
the Velixa I see as being something you do if you're taking a single unit of Custodes to back stop Imperial guard. as it gives anyone in 6 inches essentially ATSKNF and an extra attack. Park a custodes velxia near a 30 man conscript squad and you've got a pretty stiff line I DON'T see it being useful for a pure Custodes army though unless it's cheap
changemod wrote: I have a very, very hard time imagining that standard bearer being worthwhile if he needs to give up his close combat weapon to hold it despite being a highly expensive Custodes terminator.
Heck, the only reason I even have a Vexilla modeled amongst my Custodes as-is is because I built him for 30k where he could take a Solarite gauntlet in his other hand.
the Velixa I see as being something you do if you're taking a single unit of Custodes to back stop Imperial guard. as it gives anyone in 6 inches essentially ATSKNF and an extra attack. Park a custodes velxia near a 30 man conscript squad and you've got a pretty stiff line I DON'T see it being useful for a pure Custodes army though unless it's cheap
The extra attack only applies to the Custodes unit itself. Still pretty good if you've got a decently large squad.
GOLDTOADS pretty much no chace they get any transport other than LR. Sad. Will FW be giving us rules any time soon or will it be 40k before that happens?
ThirstySpaceMan wrote: GOLDTOADS pretty much no chace they get any transport other than LR. Sad. Will FW be giving us rules any time soon or will it be 40k before that happens?
The announcement said: "Finally, if you’ve already got a sizeable collection of Forge World Legio Custodes, rules are on their way for you to use your favourite units in Warhammer 40,000, in addition to the huge range of new plastic kits."
Cephalobeard wrote: I will continue to pray for Valdor as a HQ until the day I die.
In general I'm excited to see more models, especially Dreads.
I doubt Valdor will ever be usable for 40k, but with the Horus Heresy/Necromunda Weekender at the beginning of February I see a good chance to finally get that Valdor model from FW.
It coincides well with the GW Custodes release anticipated at the same time.
Crimson wrote: Weren't there FW supposed to do a Valdor model?
What happened to it? The preview looked really nice.
the model will come out according to the guy who posted his video about the Open Day on this board ... FW did say the model is nearly finished but not when the release will happen
This model will take bling bling to another level ....
For whatever it is worth, provided that a specific projected release date hasn’t been announced/rumored by anyone yet, Custodes appear to have a preorder date of LVO weekend and release date for first week in February for a February release.
I know this is a joke, but if the Gnarlmaws are any indication I'd be 100% down with armies getting Scenery kits. The rules on them are fun, powerful, and makes for a great addition to a hobby display.
I spent some (rather a lot) of time staring at the images we have so far, as well as looking at existing armies to try and eke out some expectations of what to expect from GW in terms of what the Custodes will be bringing to the game with their new book. This is complete speculation as I don't have their codex, but I feel most of this can have some kind of basis in fact by looking at what GW has done with other armies (particularly Imperium ones).
General Expect a Deep Strike Strategem. It's in our fluff, and it's something we've seen in other books. This will be our non-Terminator armor method of dropping models on the table.
With two sub orders of Custodes mentioned (one who handles things like relics and the other more clandestine missions (to possibly include assassinations of key threats)) I'd expect to seem some new rules breaking up how the Custodes play, with color coding in terms of armour for each ruleset. Gold will likely remain the basic default for those who like the traditional look.
Psychic defense will likely remain the realm of a relic and/or strategem. Lorewise the Custodes work with the Sisters of Silence to combat the effects of the Warp, so I don't see any major changes here.
Relics will likely range from a couple of weapon swaps (money on one of them being a power knife just to choose the most underwhelming option you can give a model), to a set of armour, to an aura bubble increase and a special Vexilla.
HQs We all know we're getting a named character from GW, and eventually another from FW, but I feel that we should be seeing at least two more HQ choices: Shield-Captains, both in regular, and in Terminator armour. This allows our boxes to serve double purpose: basic units as well as HQs/elites.
Part of my belief for this is the reduction of the units from 5 models to 3 models minimum. This means a Custodian Guard Box could build a unit and an HQ to get people started, or build a full sized unit of 5 out of a box.
This would also bring our HQ count from 0 up to 4 (two of which could be run as those alternate Custodian orders that we learned about from the Studio Open information), with three of them being available upon release.
Definitely expect some kind of aura (likely tied to re-rolls).
Elites Contemptor Dreads aren't likely going anywhere, nor are they likely seeing any wargear options beyond what we currently see until FW releases their rules. Likely the Melta option will remain one of our few ways to crack armour until FW drops its rules as well. Sadly though, I still find the Kheres patter Assault Cannon a better option since with a 2+ to hit those 6 shots are more likely to hit, and have more chances to wound things than a single melta shot will on a given turn, even if you're shooting a tank, just because Melta doesn't get a bonus to it's wounding rolls at half range. Since the melta really only wounds more effectively against T4 or T15+ over the Assault Cannon, the Assaut cannon will likely remain our mainstay on these guys and any heavy tank hunting will remain more the realm of the Land Raider (for now).
For Terminators I expect a pistol weapon profile for the gauntlet weapon while the axe will have the same bolter profile as the spear, but follow the melee profile we see for power axes (+2S, -1 to hit), perhaps with a straight 3 damage to compensate for the odd place S7 sits at (only being better than S6 versus anything T13-14 and being worse than S8 versus T4 and T15). I expect to see +1 Attack/Wound/Leadership over basic Custodian Guards along with Deep Strike as a unit rule with access to Teleport Homers as well. Possibly a 4++ as well (though without being slow since Custodes already have basic Terminator saves without being slowed).
Vexillas I fully expect to follow the trend set by Space Marines, Sisters of Battle by becoming their own unit changing them to be an aura. I'd expect 6 wounds on them if this is the case, but that's a guess. If this doesn't happen then I'm going to guess on them being less restricted in the army and only the inevitable Relic one being the one that gives extra attacks while the basic ones give rerolls to morale.
The axe custodes with the cloth (since no idea on their proper name as of yet) are likely a Veteran unit (considering their ability to bring spears, mix power knives/swords with axes and spears and them showing a Vexilla model with a spear) so I'm expecting +1 base attack and leadership to go with their wargear options. Wargear options seem to be for them to have both spears and swords, or axes.
-Troops-
I don't expect any changes here honestly, beyond perhaps the unit comp changing to replace the Shield-Captain with a generic Custodian and the movement of either the vexilla being a stand alone unit, or perhaps becoming a more generic upgrade (like it only providing re-rolls to Morale and not the bonus attacks).
-Fast Attack-
Jetbikes are definitely the only option we know is coming in plastic right now, and come with two options: a hurricane bolter (likely with Custodes ammo, so -1AP and D2) or missiles (likely S6, Assault 2 to give the unit light anti-tank options and preventing it from being a dedicated anti-tank option since we've heard that Custodes will have anti-horde abilities (likely their weight of attacks and decent shooting combined with their ability to deny saves to models who have weaker saves) but will not be geared up for breaking heavy armor). Otherwise it'll be a stock missile launcher which means movement penalties unless GW gives them a rule about not suffering penalties for moving and shooting (doubtful). Spears will likely see a charge bonus (like mortal wounds for charging) and the unit likely has fly. They likely have 14" movement like Sammael, and enjoy and extra point of toughness for being bikes. I'm guessing 3-6 models a unit for unit size as well.
-Heavy Support-
Godhammer Pattern Land Raider (get your Repulsor conversions ready kids!). Not much to say, but it's unlikely GW is giving the Custodes a Repulsor since they didn't show any images of it, or have any in gold at the event last weekend. Currently the only long range anti-tank option we have available until FW's rules drop and bring us some more (or we take allies). Carries 5 Custodes models, and with reduced unit sizes we should be able to get a Bananastar going with an HQ and a unit of guys. Always throw a Hunter-killer onto these guys just to give your first turn tank busting a little more teeth.
Sadly they probably didn't decide to give the other Land Raider variants to the Custodes, but of you're into Open Play, then building one of those custom jobs from Chapter Approved out of a Repulsor for your army could be fun (Custodes with a hover version of a Terminus Ultra pattern Land Raider for example).
Final Thoughts Custodes may see a points drop with the release, but if they don't it'll likely be at a later date like when the mid-year FAQ drops. I say this because if a unit is too expensive it wont see well and we'll see a base cost drop on the unit just so GW can get the unit to actually sell.
Final Thoughts Hopefully the FW release will follow up pretty quickly, but with how things have been going there so far, who knows exactly when we see the FW updates get released. The FW release will be the thing that really makes or breaks the Custodes ability to have more unique army builds going forward, but with us getting options for every FOC we should at least be able to meet some FOC requirements and bring armies with some CP, though we're definitely going to be seeing less CP than other armies unless there are some bonuses built into the army itself (like with our new character, kind of like how Bjorn gives Space Wolves a CP just for being in the army).
You theoretically could jam a trinket or something under the right pauldron next to the eagle on top of the lighting bolts on top of whatever the embossed crest was before it was obliterated. You know, something to match the cross under the cloth on the left side
And his left temple is pretty bare- has room to take some service studs.
The release definitely needs FW to hopefully work in tandem, imo.
Unless they release another GW vehicle or two, dread, something.
The plastic contemptor is balls and might as well not exist, and land raiders dont make sense next to custodes, standing out like a sore thumb next to their detail.
I'm really hoping they have something like plastic Comtemptor-Galatus and Comtemptor-Achillus Dreadnoughts instead of the boring regular Contemptors but I feel like Dreadnoughts other than the vanilla Contemptor is going to be FW only. Hopefully they get some plastic vehicles as well so they have some kind of ranged anti-armor firepower.
I was thinking of that art image with the "gryphon" in the background. I am 95% sure that it is supposed to be a statue. However, what if it isn't? I doubt that there would be a unit for such a monstrosity, but perhaps an HQ option, or a special character?
If it is indeed a thing (unlikely) it would be a flying custodes thunderwolf. Something with flight, toughness 6, 7 attacks, and strength 8 sounds harsh.
Cephalobeard wrote: The release definitely needs FW to hopefully work in tandem, imo.
Unless they release another GW vehicle or two, dread, something.
The plastic contemptor is balls and might as well not exist, and land raiders dont make sense next to custodes, standing out like a sore thumb next to their detail.
The other problem with the Land Raider is that it doesn't fit the lore of the Custodes. They have grav tanks, so let's give them a tracked one?
the Contemptor is pretty bare bones too and lacks the level of bling a Custodes one should have.
Cephalobeard wrote: Very low chance they lose the Land Raider, as unfortunate as that is, since they packaged it in the Talons box.
Oh I agree, but I still wanted to point out that it was an...odd choice to give them. About the only thing it adds is ranged anti-heavy tank/high toughness models, but there were better methods to add that to the army.
ClockworkZion wrote: Hopefully the FW release will follow up pretty quickly, but with how things have been going there so far, who knows exactly when we see the FW updates get released. The FW release will be the thing that really makes or breaks the Custodes ability to have more unique army builds going forward, but with us getting options for every FOC we should at least be able to meet some FOC requirements and bring armies with some CP, though we're definitely going to be seeing less CP than other armies unless there are some bonuses built into the army itself (like with our new character, kind of like how Bjorn gives Space Wolves a CP just for being in the army).
I think what we've seen with FW is that if they're left on their own, they'll get to it when they get to it. Examples are...well, just pick your favorite because there are many.
However, if their corporate masters tell them to do something, it gets done. The FW indices are an example. Rush jobs, perhaps...but they actually hit their deadline. Hopefully this is the case for the Custodes.
ClockworkZion wrote: Hopefully the FW release will follow up pretty quickly, but with how things have been going there so far, who knows exactly when we see the FW updates get released. The FW release will be the thing that really makes or breaks the Custodes ability to have more unique army builds going forward, but with us getting options for every FOC we should at least be able to meet some FOC requirements and bring armies with some CP, though we're definitely going to be seeing less CP than other armies unless there are some bonuses built into the army itself (like with our new character, kind of like how Bjorn gives Space Wolves a CP just for being in the army).
I think what we've seen with FW is that if they're left on their own, they'll get to it when they get to it. Examples are...well, just pick your favorite because there are many.
However, if their corporate masters tell them to do something, it gets done. The FW indices are an example. Rush jobs, perhaps...but they actually hit their deadline. Hopefully this is the case for the Custodes.
You make a fair point but I'll keep my hopes high while my expectations are low.
Some one might have a massive collection of supercars, but have a minivan for everyday use. That's kinda how I see the Custodes LR
While there is always a small chance there is more in the book then was shown in the preview video and at WHW. I don't think the Custodes are going to get anymore non FW models until they have either a main role in a campaign book or another codex.
I was assuming initial release custodes represented the most basic of their wargear. The basic idea being they were still reluctant to bring out all the big guns after so long holding back, Robby G's orders being the only reasno they'd do even that. Thus they kinda brought out the standard rifle spear and sword and board combo (their "basic" weaponry), the Land Raider their most conventional and subdued tank, and basic dreadnought without the fancy custodes weapons mounted on it.
I figure the codex marks the start of us seeing the serious custodes gear.
I wonder if GW would try to cut corners again by shoehorning in another Marine vehicle. I'd hate to see it, but including most of the Repulser kit with some Custodes upgrade sprue/weapons doesn't exactly sound out of the question.
cuda1179 wrote: I wonder if GW would try to cut corners again by shoehorning in another Marine vehicle. I'd hate to see it, but including most of the Repulser kit with some Custodes upgrade sprue/weapons doesn't exactly sound out of the question.
At least the Repulsor would be relatively on point for Custodes (and it is built for bigger bodies than normal Marines too) over the Land Raider. That said, it doesn't really fit with the hover tanks FW has brought us so far.
Brining land raiders out also makes some sense as they're proably easier to maintain given the space marine chapters all deploy them. the custodes may thus prefer them for "field work" choosing to keep the more exotic stuff with the palace defences on terra where they don't need to worry about supply lines etc
cuda1179 wrote: Well, yeah, but then the GW contemptor doesn't fit the FW look of their contemptors and we still have those.
Buying an Achillus and swapping the spear for a Kheres would fix the visual issue at least I guess....... Pricey though.
Yeah, I thought of that too. Too bad the arms don't really look right. The custodes dreadnought is much slimmer. I ended up just having a spear dread and an assault cannon dread and accepted the look. Keeping my fingers crossed that the telamon gets 40k rules.
cuda1179 wrote: I wonder if GW would try to cut corners again by shoehorning in another Marine vehicle. I'd hate to see it, but including most of the Repulser kit with some Custodes upgrade sprue/weapons doesn't exactly sound out of the question.
I sure hope not. If there is anything left Holy on Terra then they will keep the Cawl Fluff Disaster far away from the Custodes. It makes absolutely no sense they would use stupid nu-marine designs instead of ancient vehicles designed pre-heresy.
cuda1179 wrote: I wonder if GW would try to cut corners again by shoehorning in another Marine vehicle. I'd hate to see it, but including most of the Repulser kit with some Custodes upgrade sprue/weapons doesn't exactly sound out of the question.
I sure hope not. If there is anything left Holy on Terra then they will keep the Cawl Fluff Disaster far away from the Custodes. It makes absolutely no sense they would use stupid nu-marine designs instead of ancient vehicles designed pre-heresy.
Screw fluff if it means I don't have to pay 800 billion dollars to buy a tank from england, wait 18 months for it ship, and then have it melt into a puddle on the way to the FLGS, just to have a second transport option for the custodes.
Depending on how closely the 40k Custodes hold to the less dogmatic old Imperial truth, they could be less resistant to new tech then other parts of the Imperium. That said I would also prefer if they did not use any more existing kits, just to differentiate them more on the table top from all the SM forces.
cuda1179 wrote: Well, yeah, but then the GW contemptor doesn't fit the FW look of their contemptors and we still have those.
Buying an Achillus and swapping the spear for a Kheres would fix the visual issue at least I guess....... Pricey though.
Yeah, I thought of that too. Too bad the arms don't really look right. The custodes dreadnought is much slimmer. I ended up just having a spear dread and an assault cannon dread and accepted the look. Keeping my fingers crossed that the telamon gets 40k rules.
Saw this conversion on the Custodes Facebook group, looks good to me. I hope all the dreads get 40k rules.
Not feeling the Repulsor myself. But the regular Contemptor weapons look good on the Custodes version. Its just a shame that FW don't sell the body by itself. Still if either of the regular Contemptor options turn out to be a must take in the army, I think the FW relic version with a gold paint job should fit fairly well.
I have two which are just itching for that gold paintjob. Would be an easy way to mix in some real dakka as well. I still think they're a decent take after the points hike.
cuda1179 wrote: Yeah, I thought of that too. Too bad the arms don't really look right. The custodes dreadnought is much slimmer
Slimmer how?
It's literally contemptor with extraneous, useless armor plates bolted on something that was already thick armour, making its legs and torso proportions so warped it looks like something from early 80s anime. For all the haters comments on Tau suits looking like gundams, Achillus/Galatus actually is pretty close to having actual gundam look and proportions thanks to comically oversized lower legs and pauldrons:
Kirasu wrote: I sure hope not. If there is anything left Holy on Terra then they will keep the Cawl Fluff Disaster far away from the Custodes. It makes absolutely no sense they would use stupid nu-marine designs instead of ancient vehicles designed pre-heresy.
Care to show us on this mini where Inceptors touched you?
I'd have ANY of Cawl's toys before FW stuff in 40K Custodes range, most of it looks like garbage, it's terribly expensive and fragile, looks NOTHING like Custode vehicle art, or even like actual Imperial vehicles, and insults the intelligence of player putting it together because most of them would be crap designs in-universe, actively blocking the pilots from hitting anything and not letting passengers disembark safely. No. Just no. I hope nothing besides gun Custodes and (maybe) small speeder gets rules, and even then I'd pick both from SM range to convert before touching FW gak ideas.
cuda1179 wrote: Yeah, I thought of that too. Too bad the arms don't really look right. The custodes dreadnought is much slimmer
Slimmer how?
It's literally contemptor with extraneous, useless armor plates bolted on something that was already thick armour, making its legs and torso proportions so warped it looks like something from early 80s anime. For all the haters comments on Tau suits looking like gundams, Achillus/Galatus actually is pretty close to having actual gundam look and proportions thanks to comically oversized lower legs and pauldrons:
Kirasu wrote: I sure hope not. If there is anything left Holy on Terra then they will keep the Cawl Fluff Disaster far away from the Custodes. It makes absolutely no sense they would use stupid nu-marine designs instead of ancient vehicles designed pre-heresy.
Care to show us on this mini where Inceptors touched you?
I'd have ANY of Cawl's toys before FW stuff in 40K Custodes range, most of it looks like garbage, it's terribly expensive and fragile, looks NOTHING like Custode vehicle art, or even like actual Imperial vehicles, and insults the intelligence of player putting it together because most of them would be crap designs in-universe, actively blocking the pilots from hitting anything and not letting passengers disembark safely. No. Just no. I hope nothing besides gun Custodes and (maybe) small speeder gets rules, and even then I'd pick both from SM range to convert before touching FW gak ideas.
Care to show us on this mini where the FW Custodes touched you...
As the owner of 6 regular contemptor dreads and two Custodes Contemptors, they're absolutely thinker in limb and have proportions close enough to a power armoured human you might mistake them for some kind of terminator if it wasn't for the size.
cuda1179 wrote: Yeah, I thought of that too. Too bad the arms don't really look right. The custodes dreadnought is much slimmer
Slimmer how?
It's literally contemptor with extraneous, useless armor plates bolted on something that was already thick armour, making its legs and torso proportions so warped it looks like something from early 80s anime. For all the haters comments on Tau suits looking like gundams, Achillus/Galatus actually is pretty close to having actual gundam look and proportions thanks to comically oversized lower legs and pauldrons:
Kirasu wrote: I sure hope not. If there is anything left Holy on Terra then they will keep the Cawl Fluff Disaster far away from the Custodes. It makes absolutely no sense they would use stupid nu-marine designs instead of ancient vehicles designed pre-heresy.
Care to show us on this mini where Inceptors touched you?
I'd have ANY of Cawl's toys before FW stuff in 40K Custodes range, most of it looks like garbage, it's terribly expensive and fragile, looks NOTHING like Custode vehicle art, or even like actual Imperial vehicles, and insults the intelligence of player putting it together because most of them would be crap designs in-universe, actively blocking the pilots from hitting anything and not letting passengers disembark safely. No. Just no. I hope nothing besides gun Custodes and (maybe) small speeder gets rules, and even then I'd pick both from SM range to convert before touching FW gak ideas.
Care to show us on this mini where the FW Custodes touched you...
leopard wrote: wasn't there a rumour of razorbacks? or a picture of one at least? - if not for the Custodis then would make sense for SoS
Not for the Custodes. If they don't fit in Rhinos then Razorbacks are also out. But they would make sense for the SoS when GW get round to them(or the Immolator if GW ever get round to updating the SoB)
Side note: I'll step back my dislike of the Land Raider in a Custodes force only because Watchers of the Throne has them deploy alongside 2,000 Custodes in the defense of the palace during the events of Khorne's invasion/diversion on Terra.
Also, if you haven't read it and want to play Custodes, or just like Custodes, go read the book. It's a good read balancing the views of a Custodian, the Chancellor of the High Lords of Terra and a Sister of Silence (who despite not talking has a very bad potty mouth :x).
Basically the whole book is good, dips into the events around the end of the Gathering Storm and gives us some insight into Terra (to include a peek at what the Golden Throne looks like).
ERJAK wrote: Screw fluff if it means I don't have to pay 800 billion dollars to buy a tank from england, wait 18 months for it ship, and then have it melt into a puddle on the way to the FLGS, just to have a second transport option for the custodes.
I have two which are just itching for that gold paintjob. Would be an easy way to mix in some real dakka as well. I still think they're a decent take after the points hike.
Urggh its bad enough the Marines use them - plastic Storm Eagle please,.
ERJAK wrote: Screw fluff if it means I don't have to pay 800 billion dollars to buy a tank from england, wait 18 months for it ship, and then have it melt into a puddle on the way to the FLGS, just to have a second transport option for the custodes.
The hyperbole is strong with this one...
I can kind of understand it if you live in Aussie land since I've heard it gets hot as hell there in the summer and the UK likes to tax them like they're still convicts being punished....
ClockworkZion wrote: Side note: I'll step back my dislike of the Land Raider in a Custodes force only because Watchers of the Throne has them deploy alongside 2,000 Custodes in the defense of the palace during the events of Khorne's invasion/diversion on Terra.
Also, if you haven't read it and want to play Custodes, or just like Custodes, go read the book. It's a good read balancing the views of a Custodian, the Chancellor of the High Lords of Terra and a Sister of Silence (who despite not talking has a very bad potty mouth :x).
Basically the whole book is good, dips into the events around the end of the Gathering Storm and gives us some insight into Terra (to include a peek at what the Golden Throne looks like).
ClockworkZion wrote: Side note: I'll step back my dislike of the Land Raider in a Custodes force only because Watchers of the Throne has them deploy alongside 2,000 Custodes in the defense of the palace during the events of Khorne's invasion/diversion on Terra.
Also, if you haven't read it and want to play Custodes, or just like Custodes, go read the book. It's a good read balancing the views of a Custodian, the Chancellor of the High Lords of Terra and a Sister of Silence (who despite not talking has a very bad potty mouth :x).
Basically the whole book is good, dips into the events around the end of the Gathering Storm and gives us some insight into Terra (to include a peek at what the Golden Throne looks like).
Just got my copy on the mail today! Can't wait.
I don't want to spoil anything but I definitely will say I enjoyed the read. The look into the modern Custodes, the little details sprinkled about, the mentioning of Guilliman standing on the Lion's Gate, the way the Sisters of Silence see the Daemons differently than normal humans do (in fact, they may see reality itself differently)....
It's been a while since I've gushed over a book like this and I'm happy to finally get the chance to do so again.
ClockworkZion wrote: Side note: I'll step back my dislike of the Land Raider in a Custodes force only because Watchers of the Throne has them deploy alongside 2,000 Custodes in the defense of the palace during the events of Khorne's invasion/diversion on Terra.
There was a Custodes Land Raider in Horus Heresy: Collected Visions about a decade ago, so they're nothing new.
ClockworkZion wrote: Side note: I'll step back my dislike of the Land Raider in a Custodes force only because Watchers of the Throne has them deploy alongside 2,000 Custodes in the defense of the palace during the events of Khorne's invasion/diversion on Terra.
There was a Custodes Land Raider in Horus Heresy: Collected Visions about a decade ago, so they're nothing new.
Hm. I don't remember if I have a copy or not honestly. Most of my books are in stasis right now.
That said, it's one of those things that I guess I was just put off that the Imperium faction known for grav tech didn't get models for grav tech before the Primaris Marines did.
ClockworkZion wrote: Side note: I'll step back my dislike of the Land Raider in a Custodes force only because Watchers of the Throne has them deploy alongside 2,000 Custodes in the defense of the palace during the events of Khorne's invasion/diversion on Terra.
Also, if you haven't read it and want to play Custodes, or just like Custodes, go read the book. It's a good read balancing the views of a Custodian, the Chancellor of the High Lords of Terra and a Sister of Silence (who despite not talking has a very bad potty mouth :x).
Basically the whole book is good, dips into the events around the end of the Gathering Storm and gives us some insight into Terra (to include a peek at what the Golden Throne looks like).
Just got my copy on the mail today! Can't wait.
I don't want to spoil anything but I definitely will say I enjoyed the read. The look into the modern Custodes, the little details sprinkled about, the mentioning of Guilliman standing on the Lion's Gate, the way the Sisters of Silence see the Daemons differently than normal humans do (in fact, they may see reality itself differently)....
It's been a while since I've gushed over a book like this and I'm happy to finally get the chance to do so again.
I have two which are just itching for that gold paintjob. Would be an easy way to mix in some real dakka as well. I still think they're a decent take after the points hike.
could also explain where the stormraven first came from. Also me and my local GW manager where speculating that the custodes will get access to the other LR varients to pad the line out a bit
I have two which are just itching for that gold paintjob. Would be an easy way to mix in some real dakka as well. I still think they're a decent take after the points hike.
could also explain where the stormraven first came from. Also me and my local GW manager where speculating that the custodes will get access to the other LR varients to pad the line out a bit
Crusaders would likely end up being the go-to then since it'd let us fit more bodies in the vehicle with decent anti-horde shooting added on.
I have two which are just itching for that gold paintjob. Would be an easy way to mix in some real dakka as well. I still think they're a decent take after the points hike.
could also explain where the stormraven first came from. Also me and my local GW manager where speculating that the custodes will get access to the other LR varients to pad the line out a bit
Crusaders would likely end up being the go-to then since it'd let us fit more bodies in the vehicle with decent anti-horde shooting added on.
it'll also depend on what other options ACs have. if GW loads them up with anti hoarde options but they have few tank killing, then god hammer land raiders may be prefdered.
I have two which are just itching for that gold paintjob. Would be an easy way to mix in some real dakka as well. I still think they're a decent take after the points hike.
could also explain where the stormraven first came from. Also me and my local GW manager where speculating that the custodes will get access to the other LR varients to pad the line out a bit
Crusaders would likely end up being the go-to then since it'd let us fit more bodies in the vehicle with decent anti-horde shooting added on.
it'll also depend on what other options ACs have. if GW loads them up with anti hoarde options but they have few tank killing, then god hammer land raiders may be prefdered.
If we get all the FW options then the Custodes won't exactly be lacking tank killing options. So it really comes down to how much FW gives the army.
I have two which are just itching for that gold paintjob. Would be an easy way to mix in some real dakka as well. I still think they're a decent take after the points hike.
could also explain where the stormraven first came from. Also me and my local GW manager where speculating that the custodes will get access to the other LR varients to pad the line out a bit
Crusaders would likely end up being the go-to then since it'd let us fit more bodies in the vehicle with decent anti-horde shooting added on.
it'll also depend on what other options ACs have. if GW loads them up with anti hoarde options but they have few tank killing, then god hammer land raiders may be prefdered.
If we get all the FW options then the Custodes won't exactly be lacking tank killing options. So it really comes down to how much FW gives the army.
true for those WITH FW custodes stuff. although I'm eyeing one of those custodes dreads myself
Ah well. At least different equipments so both have their uses!
