Damn it, I'm all in. I wasn't, a few of Marvel's recent efforts haven't really done anything for me (didn't like Strange, Spidey was meh, Thor I've not seen but I'm not that fussed about) but this looks to buck that trend. Not sure why I'm surprised, given that the Russo brothers have done my two favourite Marvel films to date, but this trailer has certainly restored my confidence in the franchise.
This needed to be big, epic and grandiose rather than the comedy style they've been really playing up recently, and so far that looks to be where IW is headed.
Still not keen on Thanos losing his armour from GotG though, that looked way more threatening than the vest he has now...
Spider-Man was worse than “meh”, but we’ve covered that. This looks awesome. Vision is gonna have a bad day, wearing a stone in his forehead. Cap looks like he’s seen better days, being on the run since Civil War will do that to a man.
Necros wrote: Looks great to me. Was spiderman's costume armored now? Seemed kinda shiney.
Spoilers, I guess:
Spoiler:
It's the Iron Spider costume Tony offers him at the end of Homecoming
Automatically Appended Next Post: This is one of those trailers that feels less cohesive and more about giving fans something to dissect for a bit. For example, Thanos clearly gets the Tesseract in the trailer and when he adds it to his gauntlet you can clearly see he's apparently already retrieved the Power Stone from the Nova Corps. This trailer is pretty overloaded with stuff like that to find.
Of course, Marvel has also proven a willingness to toy with CGI a bit for trailers and put a villain in NYC randomly or give a character an little more sight then they have in the final film.
Yeah, not sure why the Spidey hate. It was way better than that last slog of a Spiderman movie and didn't rehash the whole bit by a spider thing. Plus Keaton was awesome.
Thanatos in the trailer looks a bit like the aliens from Battleship:
Tobey-Spidey 1&2 better than all other Spideys. At least it got all the characters right. Maybe his quips aren’t as good, but at least they didn’t make him a sidekick in his own movies (Amazing), or recycle the Green Goblin in everything except name (Homecoming). Having relevant support characters is more important to Spidey than quips; as long as he’s making them, as they’re his way to deal with insecurities.
I don't agree. Keaton's performance in Homecoming was riveting. They could have cut all the Spider-Man out and just have two hours of Keaton meeting his daughter's prom date and driving them to the prom and it would still be a thriller.
I wouldn't be surprised if the other stone in the gauntlet is orange in the final film. Loki clearly gives him the Tesseract and for those that are keeping track:
Spoiler:
Loki took that from the vault on Asgard during Ragnarok, I'd wager he took the Eternal flame introduced in that movie too and it turns out to be the final stone: the Soul Stone.
The Ragnarok trailer clearly edited some things that we quite different in the final film, so why not here too.
Although, it could just as well be the power stone taken from Nova. Nothing is on that world that we care about, so he could get it without needing to see it on screen.
I assume the Soul Gem is being reserved for last for a reason. Traditionally its been the central stone on the gauntlet and often the lynchpin/weakness of it. If Thanos retains any ties to his love for Lady Death its also thematically relevant to the end of his quest.
I guess I'm just finding the eternal flame angle unlikely at this point. They've gone so far out of their way to not touch upon it, it seems pretty lame to have Loki have used it to bring back the giant flame demon and somehow run off with it without anyone noticing. Doubly true if he's just going to give Thanos both and make its existence doubly irrelevant.
Mostly, I just hope they don't do like Harry Potter and spend 80% of the final story hunting down a single Horcrux before randomly destroying over half of them in the last few chapters.
True. And there is also the line at the end of Thor 2 that "it is not wise to hold 2 infinity stones in the same place". That alone could disprove my theory.
Easy E wrote: So, is this one of those silly 2-part movies, or is it 1 movie and IW is done?
I was originally slated as a 2 part, but the name was changed. IW is Avengers 3 and Avengers 4 is now called something yet to be released. But yeah, the story is undoubtedly a 2-parter
Likely Cap and/or Iron man dies in the first or second part.
LunarSol wrote: I assume the Soul Gem is being reserved for last for a reason. Traditionally its been the central stone on the gauntlet and often the lynchpin/weakness of it. If Thanos retains any ties to his love for Lady Death its also thematically relevant to the end of his quest.
Speaking of which, does MCU Thanos have even a glimmer of a motivation yet? We've known he's the forthcoming Big Bad of the entire arc of movies for years, and he's wandered on screen briefly in several of them but... I can't think of a single thing that illuminates why he might be doing... anything. Including sitting on a throne in space with an easily defeated army.
There is a brief line in the trailer about 'balancing the universe,' but, well. Balancing it between... what?
As for the trailer... eh. Ensemble assembles. I figure half the movie will involve getting everyone pointed in the same direction, some needless internal conflict, then bam! actual conflict and done.
Are they stomping Wakanda? That seems as bad as the 'stomping Amazons' discussions during the JLA trailers.
I don't know much about Wakanda, but maybe their advanced tech will be a reason Big Purple wants to attack it? Or maybe the Avengers use it as a place to hide a stone, prompting an attack?
Super pumped for this movie. The MCU has been building towards this since at least the end of Avengers, and while I'm definitely worried about the number of characters that are getting crammed into this I have faith in the Russo brothers after Civil War ended up actually being good despite the huge cast.
Well the end credit sequence in the original Avengers has Thanos' minion telling him that to challenge Earth is to "court death", which made Thanos stand up and smile wryly at the camera. So there is some hint at motivation there.
I kinda wish they had done a Thanos Rising movie, that was an excellent story and would have done a lot to flesh him out as a character. They're gonna have to dedicate a lot of Infinity War to doing that now since we haven't actually seen him do much.
A lot of reports have said that Thanos is a bigger deal in this film than the heroes, and that this is his film.
It kinda neeeds to be. He can't be a one-and-done villain. He has to show up, collect the stones, compeltely feth the heroes over (maybe killing one or two) before we move into part 4.
Easy E wrote: So, is this one of those silly 2-part movies, or is it 1 movie and IW is done?
I was originally slated as a 2 part, but the name was changed. IW is Avengers 3 and Avengers 4 is now called something yet to be released. But yeah, the story is undoubtedly a 2-parter
Likely Cap and/or Iron man dies in the first or second part.
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I'm hearing things about Cap being thrown back to WWII till the next event.
Easy E wrote: So, is this one of those silly 2-part movies, or is it 1 movie and IW is done?
I was originally slated as a 2 part, but the name was changed. IW is Avengers 3 and Avengers 4 is now called something yet to be released. But yeah, the story is undoubtedly a 2-parter
Likely Cap and/or Iron man dies in the first or second part.
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I'm hearing things about Cap being thrown back to WWII till the next event.
That sounds terrible. Cap beating up normals is dreadfully boring.
How can he get his butt planted in windshields if he's just fighting plain old Nazis?
AduroT wrote: If there’s a big attack Wakanda thing, I assume they’re holding onto one of the stones. Maybe we’ll see it in Panther.
In the comics, a big part of the Black Panther mythos involves the character getting his powers from an herb that was mutated by a meteor that fell to earth. The meteor also allows him to communicate with the spirits of prior Black Panthers. The meteor itself is vibranium in the comics and the trailers haven't really hinted at this much outside of the ritual site encounter, but this bit could be easily repurposed as the Soul Stone.
I believe that the Black Panther trailer has a scene or two that looks like it highlights his 'communing with the dead' ability, so you might be on to something there...
Mr Nobody wrote: One question I have is who's going to be the funny guy. They can't all be the funny, sarcastic character.
It'll probably be Star-Lord or Rocket Raccoon. At the end of the IW trailer we see Thor meet the Guardians of the Galaxy, so my money's on one of them being the comic relief.
I loved the trailer and am already pumped for the movie! It's going to be awesome!
My theory with the Guardians and Thor is they don't even meet the Avengers in this film. We see a brief shot of Thor in a huge glowy machine being all manly, but we don't actually see him fighting alongside the other Avengers. My guess is Thor meets the Guardians, and decides he needs a new weapon, and gets them to help him create Stormbreaker (in the glowy machine from the trailer).
Then by the end of the film, the Avengers are on the ropes, possibly a death or two to show that gak has actually gotten real. Basically what Thanos means in his speech that they will know what it means to lose.
In the second film, the Avengers will be fighting a losing battle, when suddenly there's some rockin 80's tunes and the Milano roars down blowing away whatever they're fighting while Thor, Captain Marvel, the Guardians and whoever else is introduced in Captain Marvel show up, rescue the beleaguered Avengers, share a few quips, and go beat down Thanos.
I believe Zoe Saldana said something like 'We've just shot Infinity War, and now we've got to go back and shoot 'Gauntlet'', before quickly backtracking. This has been officially denied as the title by Feige and the Russos, but I still reckon it's probably a safe bet that they'll call it Infinity Gauntlet.
There's definitely going to be some time travel shenanigans, I'm sure. What I'd really like to see them do with that is a kind of 'tour' of the MCU to date, perhaps as Thanos uses the Time Gem to undo it all or something. That way, it hammers home how much of a victory Thanos is winning whilst also being somewhat celebratory of what they've built, which I think IW definitely needs.
It's the culmination of an unprecedented amount of work on and off screen, and to not take a moment to reminisce fondly on that would be a missed opportunity.
Mozzyfuzzy wrote: If they end up sending Cap back in time I'd be up for some secret empire stuff, that could be fun.
I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really hope they don't do Secret Empire. We've had enough deconstructionist takes on "paragon" good guy superheroes thanks to DC, we don't need any more. Cap's whole thing is that he's that good guy even when it hurts him, even when it's probably the stupid choice to make, so if Evans is done with the character give him the heroic sendoff he deserves and give Mackie the shield or whatever.
Paradigm wrote: I believe Zoe Saldana said something like 'We've just shot Infinity War, and now we've got to go back and shoot 'Gauntlet'', before quickly backtracking. This has been officially denied as the title by Feige and the Russos, but I still reckon it's probably a safe bet that they'll call it Infinity Gauntlet.
The cast doesn't always know the final name of the film or even the real plot (read about the shenanigans pulled to keep the end of Empire Strikes Back under wraps)
Since Infinity Gauntlet isn't a spoiler I tend not to believe.
But hey what if one of the Avengers has the gauntlet?
-Loki- wrote: My theory with the Guardians and Thor is they don't even meet the Avengers in this film. We see a brief shot of Thor in a huge glowy machine being all manly, but we don't actually see him fighting alongside the other Avengers. My guess is Thor meets the Guardians, and decides he needs a new weapon, and gets them to help him create Stormbreaker (in the glowy machine from the trailer).
Then by the end of the film, the Avengers are on the ropes, possibly a death or two to show that gak has actually gotten real. Basically what Thanos means in his speech that they will know what it means to lose.
In the second film, the Avengers will be fighting a losing battle, when suddenly there's some rockin 80's tunes and the Milano roars down blowing away whatever they're fighting while Thor, Captain Marvel, the Guardians and whoever else is introduced in Captain Marvel show up, rescue the beleaguered Avengers, share a few quips, and go beat down Thanos.
There is a bit of a snag in this idea. Hulk and Thor are currently in the same boat, for a post-Ragnarok value of 'currently.' But Hulk is very prominently with the powerless team in the trailer.
So whatever happens with the boat and Loki more than likely handing over the Tesseract (probably in exchange for the boat), Hulk and Thor have to either get split up, or some more complex decisions are being made.
I've seen an interesting suggestion that at some point, Banner is going to suit up in the Hulkbuster armour. We see him in Wakanda with its arm (as Banner rather than Hulk), and the landing the HB suit does resembles the way Hulk lands from his jumps. Personally, I think Banner controlling the HB suit would be a really cool touch, either from inside it or via some kind of long-distance control which we know Stark has from Homecoming. It lets us see him how Banner handles himself in a battle and it would be a nice reversal if the thing designed to take him down ended up helping him stay in the fight.
I say this mainly as I also want him to be in the HB suit, then Hulk Out inside it and tear it to pieces. That would be a damn cool thing to see.
Maybe the Asgardians decide not to settle on Earth so as to a) not upset the planet's balance of power and b) not paint an even bigger target on it than it already has. Instead, they drop off Banner, and go their merry way in search of a new home.
Bran Dawri wrote: Maybe the Asgardians decide not to settle on Earth so as to a) not upset the planet's balance of power and b) not paint an even bigger target on it than it already has. Instead, they drop off Banner, and go their merry way in search of a new home.
Given their circumstances, I don't think 'making a decision' is really up to them.*
But honestly, going to earth doesn't make any sense to me. The tech and lifespan difference would cause lots of problems. Really, they should just go to Vanir (or whatever Realm) where Thor and company were fighting at the beginning of Thor 2. Where the last of the Warriors Three was from. They're obviously fairly friendly, related, and are used to the Asgardians. That's a much better place for the refugees.
* However, I'm not convinced they're going to survive, given what's in the image with Loki holding the tesseract
Okay, I have some questions. I finally watched Guardians of the Galaxy 2. It could have a huge impact on the Infinity War movies.
Spoiler:
At the very end when the crazy gold skin queen is shown with the machine she just made, she refers to it as Adam. Since Infinity War is coming up and he has a lot to do with the Infinity Stones, is she talking about Adam Warlock maybe?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Karen Gillan is god and Nebula is merely a form we mere mortals can understand her as.
Did anyone see the show she was in with Sulu from Reboot Trek? Selfie?
Yup. Aside from the pilot having to do bad exposition, it was actually a good show, but exceedingly poorly named and never got the audience it needed. Pity about that, for both her and John Cho.
Maybe the Deus Ex Machina in the second infinity wars movie. I am assuming if Thanos gets a few of the stones, at least, they are going to need a cosmic heavy hitter to deal with that.
I've also got a few theories on the MCU post Thanos. But a lot of it is determined by this Fox deal. If they get the FF, Galactus is going to show up. Then they will also have the X-Men so a Shadow King arc would be pretty great.
Dreadwinter wrote: Okay, I have some questions. I finally watched Guardians of the Galaxy 2. It could have a huge impact on the Infinity War movies.
Spoiler:
At the very end when the crazy gold skin queen is shown with the machine she just made, she refers to it as Adam. Since Infinity War is coming up and he has a lot to do with the Infinity Stones, is she talking about Adam Warlock maybe?
I believe it was said after the movie was released that he wouldn't be in Infinity War but was a spoiler for Guardians 3.
I am curious if after Avengers 4 they'll turn the Guardians into the Infinity Watch.
I don't quite get why they designed such a cool suit of armour for Thanos for GotG only to ditch it here. It's hard to take him anywhere nearly as seriously when he's essentially wearing a vest...
supreme overlord wrote: I wish they wouldve stuck with iconic comic book thanos, White eyes, fully armored. Legitimately scary looking badass,
I've heard they're saving the fully armored look for when he's the final boss of Avengers 4. He doesn't get epic gear until he finishes his loot grind.
Which would make perfect sense, except that we've already seen him fully armoured in two separate films... I guess he must have left the suit in his other spaceship or something...
supreme overlord wrote: I wish they wouldve stuck with iconic comic book thanos, White eyes, fully armored. Legitimately scary looking badass,
I've heard they're saving the fully armored look for when he's the final boss of Avengers 4. He doesn't get epic gear until he finishes his loot grind.
He has to pop a couple of those Avengers loot piñatas.
Given that Cap Marvel is set in the 80s, I'd say it's possible but I'd not expect more than a cameo. On one hand, she's presumably still around. On the other, there's presumably some good reason she's not getting involved in any present-day Avenging thus far.
It'd be very cool for her to show up though, I'm really looking forward to see what they do with her.
Paradigm wrote: Which would make perfect sense, except that we've already seen him fully armoured in two separate films... I guess he must have left the suit in his other spaceship or something...
It looks like the films, the Netflix series and Agents of Shield aren't really part of the same story. In the context of the Infinity Wars films, when there's a statement like "All the Marvel heroes will show up", I'd take that as being "All the Marvel heroes from the films will show up".
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: OMG OMG OMG totally starting fan-girling at the end when the Guardians of the Galaxy showed up. Guardians and Avengers together in one movie?
My apologies!
All this time I thought you were a boy - that's what I get for assuming!
Anyway, I'd be shocked in any of the NETFLIX Marvel heroes show up in this movie.
It's actually odd how red-haired and step-child'ish the Netflix shows have ended up being. I mean crikey, even the weird teen-drama thing Runaways got an actual, physical Stan Lee cameo while the Defenderverse shows have to make do with that police recruitment poster occasionally showing up in the background.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: OMG OMG OMG totally starting fan-girling at the end when the Guardians of the Galaxy showed up. Guardians and Avengers together in one movie?
My apologies!
All this time I thought you were a boy - that's what I get for assuming!
Anyway, I'd be shocked in any of the NETFLIX Marvel heroes show up in this movie.
I'd be pleasantly surprised though!
I am a boy, not that you would have guessed from my high pitched squealing.
I'd be up for that. But for the most part, I'm enjoying the 'Marvel Knights' vibe of the Netflix shows, going where the movies can't in terms of moral ambiguity and silly violence.
So just the merest nod of acknowledgement would suit me.
Alpharius wrote: Ah - any reason why you wouldn't just be 'fan-boying' vs. 'fan-girling' then?!?
As for the NETFLIX Marvel Heroes, maybe we'll get a 'in the background in a scene or two' cameo?
The explanation delves deeply into societal gender roles, and then eventually into US politics. Be careful what you wish for.
I doubt we'll see any of the TV heroes, but I would be surprised if there weren't a cameo or ACS with some film-ready hero or villain we've never seen before.
Alpharius wrote: Ah - any reason why you wouldn't just be 'fan-boying' vs. 'fan-girling' then?!?
As for the NETFLIX Marvel Heroes, maybe we'll get a 'in the background in a scene or two' cameo?
Do not count on it. Marvel keeps TV and Films relatively seperate now-a-days.
I know this will never happen, but it is kind of a dream for Chris Evans or Sam Jackson to show up in S2 of The Punisher. Nick Fury would be real interesting there. MCU Nick Fury could probably put a guy like Frank to doing some serious work.
But sadly, never going to happen. :(
Alpharius wrote: I wouldn't mind if some of the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. show up too!
Alpharius wrote: I wouldn't mind if some of the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. show up too!
At the very, very, very least they need to have some of the Avengers acknowledge they know Coulson is still alive. I mean I'd like to see him physically show up, but at this stage at least an acknowledgement is necessary if we're supposed to keep believing Tony Stark is a genius. Also if there's going to be a knock down drag out battle for the fate of earth itself, there's zero logical reason someone as powerful as Quake should be absent from that considering "guy with a bow" is still a thing.
Sadly I suspect the reason they went with the whole time travel aspect of the new season of SHIELD is so they have an excuse for them not participating in Infinity War. It's so annoying that the idea of the MCU as this big cool multimedia undertaking has basically died out because one guy is constitutionally incapable of not engaging in a dick waving contest with everyone they see.
Do you remember when season 1 of Daredevil tied into the MCU and took place in the aftermath of the Skiitari invasion of NY in the Avengers? Peppridge Farm remembers.
You and Bob are reading too much into it. As a bloke (and running under the assumption that everybody knows I'm a bloke), I simply thought it was more humorous. No socio-political statement was intended and nor should Bob try to turn this into a socio-political argument.
From the trailer, I think they're going to be spending a lot of time in A3 with Thor, someone who we've seen gets to spend a fair amount of time being funny - and CH is pretty good at it too!
Might be a bit for the full on GotG and Avengers interaction...
Not really- they seem in completely different leagues. Not sure what comic book Drax is capable of, but the MCU hasn't made that much of him.
He's established as superior against mooks and the occasional sub-boss, but useless against anyone of significance.
Hulk walks over gods, fights monsters of the apocalypse and wants to punch out world-ending giants.
A fight (or even wrestling match) between the two would be fairly boring and one sided.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:You and Bob are reading too much into it. As a bloke (and running under the assumption that everybody knows I'm a bloke), I simply thought it was more humorous. No socio-political statement was intended and nor should Bob try to turn this into a socio-political argument.
My default assumption on the internet is that I don't know anyone's gender and that it actually doesn't matter. Unless they make reference to it, which... with 'fan-girling' and a name that reads to me as Edith (well, Edith-y or Edith-ee), that's what I thought you were doing.
Voss wrote: A fight (or even wrestling match) between the two would be fairly boring and one sided.
Thats the point. Part of Drax's humour is how he's always taking on challenges that are too big for him with complete confidence in his own abilities.
My default assumption on the internet is that I don't know anyone's gender and that it actually doesn't matter. Unless they make reference to it, which... with 'fan-girling' and a name that reads to me as Edith (well, Edith-y or Edith-ee), that's what I thought you were doing.
My username is a reference to Corvus Edithae, the Species name for the Somali Crow. I needed a suitably avian-like name as a reference to my favourite 40K Space Marine chapter, Raven Guard, who are known for their names inspired by avian species and genus names (e.g. Korvydae).
You and Bob are reading too much into it. As a bloke (and running under the assumption that everybody knows I'm a bloke), I simply thought it was more humorous. No socio-political statement was intended and nor should Bob try to turn this into a socio-political argument.
Perhaps I was being too dry.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I really hope to see a good Dr Doom movie come out of all this.
You and Bob are reading too much into it. As a bloke (and running under the assumption that everybody knows I'm a bloke), I simply thought it was more humorous. No socio-political statement was intended and nor should Bob try to turn this into a socio-political argument.
Alpharius wrote: Drax's power level varied quite a bit in the comics.
His movie version definitely sits towards the low end, and as noted, seems to exist more for comedic effect (bites off more than can chew mode)>
He seems to probably be around CA level, minus the shield and acumen. None of the Guardians are particularly powerful on their own.
I do find it quite funny that Guardians has depowered its characters so much. Drax was born to kill Thanos and Gamora is known as the most dangerous woman in the universe... but both are consistently shown up by an OP talking tree...
H.B.M.C. wrote: Adding in X-Men/FF at this stage would be gratuitous. Plus the merger is going to take around 18 months, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.
But a Phase Fantastic 4 is looking more and more possible.
Galactus for Avengers 5 or 6!!!
Pretty much this.
Kevin Feige is one record explaining that Avengers 3 & 4 are, ultimately, the end of the current Marvel Journey with the heroes we currently have.
Given what we now know about Disney buy Fox, it could well be that they wanted to see how that went before planning the more distant future. As of Black Panther, there's 6 films between now and 2020.
Add in another one or two for 'filler' purposes to carry over to 2021, and then they could easily have previous-Fox owner properties ready to join.
I can see one of those being another Spidey (unless Sony throw teddy from the Pram due to the Fox deal), and possibly a Dr Strange sequel (as he's not got one pencilled in). Neither of those need to be ground shaking events, allowing them to be 'tide you over' adventures.
Has there been a picture of Captain Marvel in costume yet? Like, a single picture? I'm starting to think she won't get her reveal in this Avengers movie.
Saw this trailer on the big screen today. It was better than the full film that followed up. I haven't looked forward to a film like this for a long time.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Currently watching Civil War, and I’m reminded just how high Marvel can set the bar. Both in terms of sheer spectacle, and having an actual plot.
But from that trailer, I’m expecting great things!
Civil War is certainly the high point thus far, one of the best comic book movies ever and an excellent sales pitch for the Russos' ability to handle a large ensemble cast and still keep both a narrative and an emotional core to it all. A few of Marvel's latest moviews I didn't get on with (Strange and Spidey were mediocre, Ragnarok was downright infuriating) but I'm very much excited for this year's offerings, starting with Black Panther this weekend.
Funny how there's no sign of Ant-Man in any of the Infinity War material. I'm wondering if AMatW will be set between Civil War and Infinity War, and will end with them trapped in the Microverse or something, ready to make a grand re-entrance in Avengers 4. With Captain Marvel also being set in the past, that would mean Avengers 4 can follow IW directly without causing any continuity issues.
Funny that there's no sign of Terrance Howard (or Ed Norton). I bet he kicks himself every time he sees Don Cheadle (and Marky R) getting that sweet Marvel love.
Paradigm wrote: Funny how there's no sign of Ant-Man in any of the Infinity War material. I'm wondering if AMatW will be set between Civil War and Infinity War, and will end with them trapped in the Microverse or something, ready to make a grand re-entrance in Avengers 4. With Captain Marvel also being set in the past, that would mean Avengers 4 can follow IW directly without causing any continuity issues.
The theory I subscribe to is that infinity war will end with Thanos killing a bunch of people but a few (including Dr strange) will get away. Thanos will have all the gems except for time. Strange will use the time gem to send the small rag tag team back in time to gather reinforcements and make a plan to stop Thanos.
Ant Man and the Wasp will end with them being picked up by the time travelers. Captain Marvel takes place in the 90s and will end with her getting picked up by the time travelers. Infinity war 2 will be a wild time travel trip through the marvel universe as various important objects and people are collected to bring to the present and defeat Thanos. It's why the worlds not dead in AM+W.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Funny that there's no sign of Terrance Howard (or Ed Norton). I bet he kicks himself every time he sees Don Cheadle (and Marky R) getting that sweet Marvel love.
They must have Claudia Christian's agent. Maybe we'll get to see them both together in the big screen adaptation of The Contrabulous Fabtraption of Professor Horatio Hufnagel. Directed by Ava Duvernay.
(Because she turned down Black Panther to make Wrinkle in Time. History's greatest decision.)
Automatically Appended Next Post: Should we make a deadpool for this film? What are the odds for each character surviving? I'd give Captain America the lowest odds, followed by Loki and Stark.
I think Steve Roger, Dr Strange, Spider Man, and.... Groot will survive.
Everyone else is dead. Dr. Strange because he will time travel the party. Spider Man because he's box office gold. Steve Rogers because he will get to meet peggy Carter in the past and they can have their good byes and dance. Groot because he already died once. They won't kill him again.
Cap is toast in some stupid and heroic bit of self-sacrifice. Loki will die when Thanos gets the Tesseract and beats Thor to the inch of his life and strands him in space.
I give Dr. Strange, Spider-man, Falcon, and Black Panther the highest chances of survival.
Also, where is Hawkeye in the trailers/poster? Did I miss him?
Too many deaths and they'll all lose their impact. Loki I think is definitely one of the more likely candidates, Thanos is not the kind of guy who tolerates repeated failure and even grovelling with the Tesseract won't save him. Vision seems another obvious casualty as Thanos takes the Stones, but maybe too obvious and they'll find a way for him to survive, perhaps in a somewhat de-powered form.
I think Cap might make it through this one at least, same with Stark. They need to be around to close out this first era, and also to resolve the issues left between them in Civil War. By the end of 4, Cap will be dead, setting up Bucky as the replacement (though that could well be its own film, the start of a BuckyCap trilogy).
Spidey, Strange, Panther, all the Guardians are totally safe, I reckon. Probably Widow, Banner Thor and Stark as well as I think whatever future the MCU has still needs most of the original Avengers in the background, even if they pass on the actual Avenging to a new team lineup.
I think quite a few minor characters might go though. Nebula is a liability once Thanos shows up, Xandar and what's left of Asgard are probably just going to be annihilated in the opening act, maybe someone like Maria Hill or even Fury could be killed off, leaving an emotional scar without altering the power balance of the teams too much as neither can really contribute much against Thanos. Pepper might also be a good candidate for this, that would really mess up Stark and make him desperate enough to start trusting in the likes of Strange and the GotG who he otherwise wouldn't place any faith in.
I'd like some surprises though. Not necessarily deaths, but Marvel have a weakness in being a bit too predictable at times, and the Russo brothers have done a good job subverting that in both their previous efforts so I think we can expect a few things to not be what they seem from the trailers/setup.
Cap is so well established and beloved that he almost needs to die in this, like Optimus Prime in the original Transformers movie. The trailer gets a ton of emotional punch from the clip of Cap struggling with Thanos. (Gotta admit, that shot made all my slacked muscles clench and my clenched muscles slack.) It looks like his last stand to me.
Paradigm wrote: Pepper might also be a good candidate for this, that would really mess up Stark and make him desperate enough to start trusting in the likes of Strange and the GotG who he otherwise wouldn't place any faith in.
I agree with him not trusting the GotG, but he would trust Strange as I am sure he has heard of him before. Remember, Strange was the Stark/Banner of Medicine, specifically surgery but I am sure he was more than capable of diagnosing a patient.
I really like Ragnarok, and in truth there's only one MCU film I'm not hot on (Captain America: The First Avenger) and one that I absolutely hate (Iron Man 3), but Ragnarok is a frustrating film. I did learn a new word because of it: Bathos.
Y'all remember how well that was received? The phrase 'lead balloon' springs to mind.
Paradigm wrote: Too many deaths and they'll all lose their impact.
Whilst that may be true, right now one of the flaws with the MCU is actually the lack of meaningful death.
Hell, even in their latest film,
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T'Challa gets 'killed' in ritual combat and everyone thinks he's dead... but then he comes back.
They need to stop doing that.
As for who will die?
I'm thinking the big one will be Tony. Outside of that I can see War Machine, Nebula and a few other minor characters biting the dust. They won't kill any Guardians in a non-Guardians film. Bigger deaths will come in Avengers 4.
I really like Ragnarok, and in truth there's only one MCU film I'm not hot on (Captain America: The First Avenger) and one that I absolutely hate (Iron Man 3), but Ragnarok is a frustrating film. I did learn a new word because of it: Bathos.
Korg is bathos personified.
Yeah, that definition just about sums it up actually. Ragnarok seemed to make a point of undercutting every single emotional or dramatic beat with a crass joke, and it just did nothing for me. It was self-aware to the point of being self-parody, and somehow managed to mangle 4 films' worth of Thor's character development to make him a wisecracking moron instead of the stoic, unintentionally humorous Thor we've seen before, miss the point of the Planet Hulk material so completely it hurt and deliver only 15 minutes or so of the epic scale sci-fantasy the last two Thor films were built around. It's like the director/writer actively hated the Thor that the MCU had established so far, and so did a complete reboot of his character and personality with no explanation.
Hela was great and Blanchett was probably wasted in such a dumb film, Odin's final scenes were likewise a highlight but the rest of it was so intent on undermining itself I couldn't respect it, because it didn't respect itself.
Hopefully Infinity War can avoid this though, the Russos so far has proven they can tell straight, dramatic stories that do still have heart and humour, without having to undercut everything with a quip or self-indulgent joke.
The only one that’s not quite landed for me is Dr Strange. Part of it is being distracted by Custardsplatch’s American accent, and the other part is that an ‘by the numbers’ origin story at this point in the MCU felt a little jarring. Indeed, the main reference to the wider films that I recall is just before he stacks his car. One of the possible patients listed seems to be the poor sod in the twisty armour in Iron Man 2.
Even then, it’s still perfectly watchable. To have produced this many movies and not have an out and out stinker is mighty impressive.
Russos do seem a very safe pair of hands (well, two pairs of hands I guess). Winter Soldier is superb, Civil War managed to top it, without going over the top. Consider the two sides in that... nobody felt out of place, and they all had their motivations for their choice.
I do still think Civil War got Vision all wrong. There's a line he has early on about how he's created an equation to suggest a causal link between superhero activity and major disasters... and he just accepts that.
The Vision of the comics would come to that conclusion, and as part of his eternal quest to understand humanity, would then ask the others why there was more to it than the simple maths, and ultimately realise that the business of heroism is not just about how many people they save vs how many people they don't. Whereas the Vision in the film follows the numbers without question.
It's a minor thing, and works in the context of the film (a powerhouse like him on Cap's side would take away the underdog factor), but I think there's a very good reason Vision is on Team Cap in the comic version that the film missed. Then again, the film does everything else from the comic way better, so's not really an issue.
I really like Ragnarok, and in truth there's only one MCU film I'm not hot on (Captain America: The First Avenger) and one that I absolutely hate (Iron Man 3), but Ragnarok is a frustrating film. I did learn a new word because of it: Bathos.
Korg is bathos personified.
Yeah, that definition just about sums it up actually. Ragnarok seemed to make a point of undercutting every single emotional or dramatic beat with a crass joke, and it just did nothing for me. It was self-aware to the point of being self-parody, and somehow managed to mangle 4 films' worth of Thor's character development to make him a wisecracking moron instead of the stoic, unintentionally humorous Thor we've seen before, miss the point of the Planet Hulk material so completely it hurt and deliver only 15 minutes or so of the epic scale sci-fantasy the last two Thor films were built around. It's like the director/writer actively hated the Thor that the MCU had established so far, and so did a complete reboot of his character and personality with no explanation.
Hela was great and Blanchett was probably wasted in such a dumb film, Odin's final scenes were likewise a highlight but the rest of it was so intent on undermining itself I couldn't respect it, because it didn't respect itself.
Hopefully Infinity War can avoid this though, the Russos so far has proven they can tell straight, dramatic stories that do still have heart and humour, without having to undercut everything with a quip or self-indulgent joke.
I think you are right. You know who else disliked Thor Classic and wanted to see a reboot? Everyone. Ragnarok took Marvel's weakest character with the weakest films, and found a way to make him work. sorry boring Thor had to die to give us fun Thor, but we're all better off now.
Ragnarok was a breath of fresh air in a franchise that was beginning to stagnate.
The thing is nobody has actually died so far (besides coulson... But agents of shield is bad) and quick silver. This will be a big one off. A lot of deaths. A lot of resurections. The infinity stones rescattered and taken out of everyones hands. Now gone, resurections will be much harder.
But its comic books. So it wont matter. The only person who stays dead is uncle ben.
My bet is that both Stark and Cap will die. 1 of them for sure in Infinity War, and the other in the conclusion to Infinity War. They've been around since the beginning and both actors have stated their wish to be done with the characters. IW is the most logical way to conclude both characters in a satisfying way
I am going to bet Stark dies and Cap "dies". Stark will already have a protege ready to take over for him and Cap will pull a Fury, like he does, leaving Bucky or somebody to take over for him while he is in hiding. Then bam, Cap and Fury come back at the start of Infinity Wars 2 and they are ready to take the battle to Thanos!
Galef wrote: My bet is that both Stark and Cap will die. 1 of them for sure in Infinity War, and the other in the conclusion to Infinity War.
They've been around since the beginning and both actors have stated their wish to be done with the characters. IW is the most logical way to conclude both characters in a satisfying way
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Well, more stated their wish that without a significantly increased pay packet at least. Usually the way it turns out
And who can blame them? Those contracts were originally signed a long, long time ago (over ten years for RDJ).
There was a thing mentioned about her being banished by Loki (false Odin) to Earth, where she was working with the Agents of SHIELD in the show. So she missed out on Ragnarok.
The actress had other commitments, so couldn't appear. That line about Loki having banished her is the official line, but I don't know if it's actually been said onscreen anywhere. Unless she told SHIELD that when she appeared there.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I may have missed her during Ragnarok, but I don't recall her featuring at all.
You didn't miss anything, she wasn't there. Jamie Alexander was unavailable due to her TV commitments, so they gave the reason said above. Shame, I liked Sif. Hopefully she'll come back.
Easy E wrote: As far as death goes, Thor: Ragnarok did kill off a "few" support characters in a permanent way.... at least for now.
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The Warriors Three and Odin anyone?
Yeah but they died in a Thor movie. It's why there won't be any Guardians who die in this, or any of the supporting Black Panther characters, unless there's a significant story reason why their death would be meaningful (like Nebula).
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I may have missed her during Ragnarok, but I don't recall her featuring at all.
You didn't miss anything, she wasn't there. Jamie Alexander was unavailable due to her TV commitments, so they gave the reason said above. Shame, I liked Sif. Hopefully she'll come back.
Well, if Thor survives IW (as is), he will need some love interest/fellow Asgardian super-warrior helpers in future stand-alone stories. She is the only one left!
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I may have missed her during Ragnarok, but I don't recall her featuring at all.
You didn't miss anything, she wasn't there. Jamie Alexander was unavailable due to her TV commitments, so they gave the reason said above. Shame, I liked Sif. Hopefully she'll come back.
Well, if Thor survives IW (as is), he will need some love interest/fellow Asgardian super-warrior helpers in future stand-alone stories. She is the only one left!
Uh, Valkyrie?
Anyway, seeing all these Space People in Space Armor punching things really makes me want to buy some new Dreadball minis.
With the film releasing tomorrow, now seems an appropriate time to remind people to BE CAREFUL WITH SPOILERS! For many people this is going to be the biggest movie event of the decade so please just take a few seconds before you post to make sure everything is properly spoiler-tagged, even in this thread (and if the OP could add a spoiler warning to the thread title, that might be an idea)
Remember that Dakka previews a post when you hover over it, so if your post opens with a spoiler (even a tagged one) pleased leave a line or two so it doesn't show up when someone accidentally mouses over a thread. I've had a couple of films spoiled for me by accidentally leaving my mouse in the wrong place and realising too late!
That done, let the final few days of hype commence! I cannot wait!
I propose a 10 day period of compulsory spoiler tags. Because whilst some can see it as of tomorrow, other countries don't get it until the week after.
Im flying cross country from wa to nj to hang with my brother and dad for a week. We picked this week so we could see infinity war. I got my tickets for monday.
As a reminder, it takes at least a lengthy sentence of unbroken text to avoid what you're spoiling coming through anyways. So have a good time with it. I hope everyone enjoys Infinity War and nobody screws up and spoils it for anyone else. Because that's a jerk move guys.
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The above post is how to do a Spoiler Block. Please be considerate to others!
Not sure why RT is sub 90 right now. This movie is bold. In a good way.
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There are a few what may be permanent deaths prior to the snap. After the snap a lot of Avengers/GotG are snuffed out but it looks like they're getting sucked into the Soul Stone.
End credits scene is a callout to Captain Marvel (woohoo!). A lot of trailer footage is a misdirect and not like the film. Thor does get a second eye. Callback to GotG prison break.
I've never understood why people go into a thread about an IP they don't want to have spoiled and then complain it got spoiled. It's like going to the store, buying peanut butter, eating it, and then complaining about how sick your peanut allergy made you. You are the author of your own misfortune.
I'll respect the spoiler tags but I think it's a weird stance.
Ouze wrote: I've never understood why people go into a thread about an IP they don't want to have spoiled and then complain it got spoiled. It's like going to the store, buying peanut butter, eating it, and then complaining about how sick your peanut allergy made you. You are the author of your own misfortune.
I'll respect the spoiler tags but I think it's a weird stance.
It's good to get a general idea of how the film was without having to read about all the twists and "oh gak!" moments that make up the film proper.
Ouze wrote: I've never understood why people go into a thread about an IP they don't want to have spoiled and then complain it got spoiled. It's like going to the store, buying peanut butter, eating it, and then complaining about how sick your peanut allergy made you. You are the author of your own misfortune.
I'll respect the spoiler tags but I think it's a weird stance.
Inadvertant spoilers are the main risk.
Me, I'm looking forward to going in knowing nothing. Yes, I've seen the trailers. But I'm very aware Marvel's trailers twist scenes - such as how a line is actually delivered etc. And the trailers haven't shown anything we couldn't have guessed having seen the preceding 17 films.
Conversations can get excited, and stuff can get blurted out. Hence the need for spoiler tags.
Ouze wrote: I've never understood why people go into a thread about an IP they don't want to have spoiled and then complain it got spoiled. It's like going to the store, buying peanut butter, eating it, and then complaining about how sick your peanut allergy made you. You are the author of your own misfortune.
I'll respect the spoiler tags but I think it's a weird stance.
It's good to get a general idea of how the film was without having to read about all the twists and "oh gak!" moments that make up the film proper.
At least that's how it is for me.
This. And the opinions of people here will generally align with my tastes better than, say, an RT score, so it's a better gauge of whether or not I'll like a film.
Only real downside is that the Avengers have to destroy yet another Death Star. How many movies are we going to have a Death Star in? They're so prevalent that they're showing up outside of Star Wars.
Glad I went and saw this as soon as I could. Unlike most Marvel movies, this absolutely does not go the way you expect and even the slightest spoiler would have ruined it.
It's genuinely incredible. Not just as the culmination of 10 years or 20 films or a lead cast of about two dozen, but as a film. The script is superb, there's some top notch performances, as a sheer spectacle it's hard to beat and it throws up enough surprises along the way that the tension remains heightened throughout.
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Managing to split things into 3-ish plot threads by about half way through is the key to it, I think. Not only does that mean we get to see a lot of very original/unexpected interactions, but it keeps things moving along nicely. It's hard to pick a favourite of those three arcs, though Stark and Strange bounce off each other incredibly well and Thor has fully redeemed himself from the stupidity that was Ragnarok. There are a few people that could have had some more screen time (especially T'Challa, I think) but on the whole it's balanced well enough.
The same goes for the tone, I think; it manages to juggle the humour of Spidey, the GotG, Thor with the more serious stuff very well indeed, never did it feel like it was inappropriately funny like a lot of Ragnarok and maybe parts of Guardians were.
Thanos himself, pretty damn good. The critical thing with him was that he had to be someone who genuinely felt like he could take on the entire roster at once, and I think that's managed well here, especially towards the end with the nearly-fully-powered Gauntlet just blasting through the Earth-bound team in a matter of seconds. Likewise, his entrance, punching the crap out of Hulk, killing Loki, that was a highlight of the whole piece. More importantly, though, it did feel like maybe there was a chance at a few points. Spidey and Stark nearly had the Gauntlet off, Thor should've aimed a little higher, but he wasn't totally unstoppable which was good.
While Avengers 4 will probably see everything turn out fine in the end, it's still nice to see an ending with genuine stakes. I do kind of wish Rhodey had been zapped away as well though, leaving just the original lineup to try and set things right. Speaking of which, the absence of Hawkeye was a little too nonchalantly addressed, but I'm guessing they just couldn't get Renner's (or Rudd's, for that matter) schedules to line up for this.
It does leave the door open for a reset of sorts; yes, in theory it'd just take the Time Gem to put everything back to how it was but I can see Phase 4 making a few subtle tweaks as a result of the meddling, which may have some interesting consequences. In any case, I fully expect some time-travel shenanigans in the next instalment.
There's probably plenty more to say, but that'll do for now. See if fast, go in blind, enjoy it because you'll be seeing a truly remarkable bit of cinematic history.
I'm not a great follower of Marvel stuff, but just saw this film and thought it was really good. There were certainly a few characters that I had no idea who they were though!
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I liked how they flipped the heroic quest idea on its head by having the 'villain' questing to find the stones and achieve his goals with the 'heros' trying to stop him.
Thanos was also very well done as a character, by about half way through I was really rooting for him so was very happy with the ending!
The after credits scene wasn't really worth it for me, I would have preferred a contented Thanos digging up turnips on his farm and watching the sun set on the galaxy that he just saved.
Ouze wrote: I've never understood why people go into a thread about an IP they don't want to have spoiled and then complain it got spoiled. It's like going to the store, buying peanut butter, eating it, and then complaining about how sick your peanut allergy made you. You are the author of your own misfortune.
I'll respect the spoiler tags but I think it's a weird stance.
Something I forgot to mention in my initial thoughts, but that I think is worth mentioning, is how well Infinity War captures the feel of a big, messy, epic crossover event comic. The branching storylines and bizarre locations and team-ups, united by the single villain of immense power. The structure that pulls everyone into this mad unfolding of events, the pacing that offers up not one but several climactic moments, the emphasis on making sure everyone gets to do 'their bit'.
If Avengers Assemble was successful in translating a 6-issue comic run feel to the big screen, Infinity War brings the 12-issue-with-spinoffs Event Comic crossover with the same degree of success, which is pretty damn incredible given that even the comics can't get that right half the time. At this point, I definitely feel the MCU could tackle other such events down the line, something like Secret War or Dark Reign or even AvX... Before I was sceptical, now I think it can be done with aplomb.
Paradigm wrote: The branching storylines and bizarre locations and team-ups
This was my favourite part.
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They didn't stick with Avengers as a team, the criminal Avengers as a team and Guardians as a team. The criminal Avengers had Rhodey, Black Panther, Vision and Banner with them, Thor is off with Rocket and Groot, Starlord, Mantis and Drax end up with Iron Man, Spiderman and Dr Strange. They all just sponaneously decide to go help different people and it feels so natural. And they managed to make all of the team ups fun in their own way.
I'll say the bit that got me the most emotionally was Spiderman. Peter begging Stark to help him when he started to dissolve was really well acted.
Only real downside is that the Avengers have to destroy yet another Death Star. How many movies are we going to have a Death Star in? They're so prevalent that they're showing up outside of Star Wars.
Still, pretty sweet to see Cap flying an A-Wing.
It is the besterest of all the Rebellion's fighter craft.
It was refreshing to have an enemy with genuine agency.
And remember, Thanos was going to do it one way or another. Pre-stones, he did it the old fashioned way. But he wanted the stones to achieve his goal in a merciful way. Just a snap of the fingers.
We may not necessarily agree with Thanos, but he’s still a fairly sympathetic character. When he describes what happened on Titan, and his suggestion (an equal chance lottery), we see he’s not actually insane.
And his argument is a dark reflection of something we as a species are facing, one of overpopulation. His method is simply the most expedient.
My only criticism is that Banner didn’t get much to do. It may just be me, but I didn’t feel he quite landed as a role. Probably needs another watch though.
Wow, not what I was expecting, while at the same time being well worth the watch.
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I found it odd at first that some of the heroes killed off were the ones with most potential for more films. Black Panther’s only had one, so’s Spider-Man. Dr Strange was less of a surprise, he’s so powerful it’s hard to make a film about him.
I guess it just highlights that these guys aren’t permanently dead, they’ll probably be back when Thanos is defeated.
Hopefully Loki and Gamora are both actually dead, it makes sense for some meaningful characters to die as part of this saga.
Just saw it, the film really gave me a feeling of seeing "The Fellowship of the Ring" for the first time.
Thanos was done surprisingly well. I half expected him to be the downfall just by his design (EG the Homer memes) but by his first few scenes I really bought into it.
The main thing I would say is,
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it feels like they overplayed their hand by the ending.
a bit too obvious a call for a reset button. They could very well end up with the film being irrelevant once the sequel comes out.
Wow, saw it today and that was not what I was expecting! A very good film that feels like it’s taking some real risks, which is a very pleasant surprise, as they could have just put out a generic, by the numbers, action film and still made a billion dollars.
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1) I’ve seen some people comparing this to Empire Strikes Back, which I think could be valid. It’ll hinge on how well they wrap things up in part 2.
2) I love the portrayal of Thanos here; it’s his film and as far as he’s concerned he is the hero of the story and you really get to feel that. I think he could end up as one of cinema’s great villains.
3) There’s something about this that reminds me of the Donna Noble storyline in Dr Who (particularly “Turn Left”); it’s fairly obvious that they’re going to pull a reset in part 2, but I think someone is going to loose hard in order for that to happen.
4) I really don’t know what to expect from Antman and the Wasp now; Captain Marvel should be OK as it’s set well in the past and from the after credits scene is going to link in closely to this, but either Antman is going to have to be set just before this (which will feel very inconsequential) or set during or after, in which case what can it be but people running round going “Holy gak!?”
Though, even if you DON'T know the comics Infinity Gauntlet, there were WAY too many deaths that you just know aren't going to stick.
But that's OK.
My daughter and I think that possibly the two big ones that die before the Finger Snap of Doom *might* be permanent BUT...
...if you have all the Infinity Stones, you probably can undo that too.
And...
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the Red Skull?!?!? Seriously awesome move there.
And here's betting that what we're seeing IS the 'one' future that Dr. Strange saw as the 'winning one'.
And, do we think the impending undoing via the stones in A4 might be a way to sneak mutants and the FF into the MCU proper, somehow? (Alternate universe somehow also merged in or something?)
Loki: Turns out Loki (Tom Hiddleston) wasn’t such a bad guy after all. In the opening scene of the movie, Loki hands over the Tesseract to Thanos (Josh Brolin) to save Thor’s (Chris Hemsworth) life. Loki offers fake fealty to Thanos and then immediately tries to assassinate the evil alien. Thanos doesn’t buy Loki’s trick and quickly murders him. Thanos quips, “No resurrections this time” after killing the trickster god, who has seemingly died twice before in the film series.
Heimdall: Thanos and his children murder Thor’s best friend Heimdall (Idris Elba) when they invade Thor’s ship. But before he dies, the Asgardian opens up a gateway to Earth for the Hulk to escape. Thor cries out when Heimdall perishes, and swears that Thanos will die for his actions. He does sort of avenge Heimdall later by stabbing Thanos, but unfortunately Thanos is already invincible at that point.
Gamora: Thanos travels to a planet with his adopted daughter Gamora (Zoe Saldana). There, they encounter Red Skull, the baddie from Captain America: The First Avenger who has been cursed to guard the Soul Stone. Red Skull tells Thanos that he will have to sacrifice something he loves in order to get the Soul Stone. Despite taking a commanding lead in the World’s Worst Dad competition, Thanos apparently loves Gamora — just enough to throw her over a cliff. Gamora dies and Thanos walks away with another Infinity Stone.
Don’t mourn yet though: If the Avengers find a way to reverse all that Thanos has done, they may be able to bring Gamora back. And who better to finally kill the villain in the end?
Vision: Scarlet Witch (Elizabeth Olsen) destroys the Infinity Stone inside Vision’s (Paul Bettany) head to keep it from Thanos. But Thanos uses the Time Stone to turn back time and restore the stone and Vision. He then crushes Vision’s head in his hands and takes the Infinity Stone. Vision is left lifeless on the ground.
Dead via Finger Snap:
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Here’s who disintegrated in Avengers: Infinity War
Black Panther/T’Challa: Okoye (Danai Gurira) cries out as her king disintegrates. Chadwick Boseman will likely be back, but in the meantime will someone else don the Black Panther suit? Here’s hoping Shuri or Okoye get to try out his claws.
Spider-Man/Peter Parker: Poor Spider-Man (Tom Holland). He was just a kid. But don’t worry, Spider-Man is already set to appear in a Spider-Man: Homecoming sequel next year. There is a small chance that Tom Holland’s Spidey really did die, and Miles Morales — another Spider-Man from the comic books whose existence Marvel teased in Homecoming — could take over for him.
Doctor Strange/Stephen Strange: Marvel has been cagey about confirming a Doctor Strange 2 and now we know why. Doctor Strange disintegrates in Infinity War. But he also is the only character who hints that he may be able to return. As he dies, he tells Iron Man that giving up the Time Stone to Thanos in exchange for Iron Man’s life was the “only way.”
Earlier in the movie, Doctor Strange looked into many possible futures and probably saw that the only way to ultimately defeat Thanos — and possibly bring everyone back —w as to lose that particular battle.
Winter Soldier/Bucky Barnes and Falcon/Sam Wilson: Many fans have speculated that either Bucky or Falcon will take over the Captain America mantle when Steve Rogers retires. But his time has not come yet: Cap survives but loses his two best friends.
Scarlet Witch/Wanda Maximoff: This loss hurts: Scarlet Witch seems to be the only superhero with the ability to destroy an Infinity Stone. The Avengers will have to find a clever way to destroy the stones as they fight Thanos in the next movie.
The Guardians of the Galaxy: The remaining Guardians — Star-Lord, Groot, Drax and Mantis — all perish in the culling. However, director James Gunn has already confirmed that Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 will happen. So some combination of these characters and Gamora will almost certainly be resurrected.
Nick Fury and Maria Hill: The former S.H.I.E.L.D. agents disintegrate in New York in a post-credit scene from the film — but not before they call on Captain Marvel for help. (More on her later.)
The Who Knows? List:
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Shuri: Black Panther’s sister Shuri tries to remove the Infinity Stone from Vision’s head, but is thrown from her lab by one of Thanos’ children before she can finish. We don’t see what happens to her when half the world’s population disappears. If she did survive, there is a chance that Shuri become the new Black Panther in her brother’s absence (as she does at various points in the comic books).
Pepper Potts: The last we heard from Pepper, she was berating Tony for abandoning her to fight evil — again. We don’t know whether she survived the culling. But if she lived, she could fight in Avengers 4. After all, Pepper gained super powers in Iron Man 3.
Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers: If you stayed for the post-credit scene, you know that Nick Fury called Captain Marvel right before he disintegrated. The new, extremely powerful hero probably survived the culling and will likely swoop in to help save the day in Avengers 4. Captain Marvel (Brie Larson) will also get her own solo film in March of 2019 before Avengers 4 drops.
Hawkeye/Clint Barton: The archer (Jeremy Renner) was conspicuously missing from Avengers: Infinity War. The stay-at-home dad apparently told the rest of the Avengers that fighting Thanos was too risky. But maybe if Hawkeye survived he will want to join his old buddies to avenge the members of his family who died.
Ant-Man/Scott Lang: We know from the Ant-Man and the Wasp trailer that Ant-Man (Paul Rudd) was put under house arrest after the events of Captain America: Civil War and before Infinity War. Likely, Ant-Man was under surveillance or missing during the events of Infinity War. We don’t know if he survived.
The Collector: We see the Collector (Benicio del Toro) alive and well in Thanos’ alternate reality, but then discover he’s not actually hanging out in his museum. Did Thanos kill him? Did he flee? Did he survive the culling? We don’t know.
Valkyrie: Where is Valkyrie (Tessa Thompson)? At the end of Thor: Ragnarok, Thor’s new ally Valkyrie boarded the ship bound for earth along with Thor, the Hulk, Loki, Heimdall and the rest of the Asgardians. But we don’t see her dead on the ground when Thanos takes over that same ship at the beginning of Infinity WAr. Thor makes no mention of her. Did she run out to get chips and guac on an escape pod and miss the whole fight?
Wong and Ned: Wong (Benedict Wong) returns to the Sanctum Sanctorum to protect the building after Doctor Strange is taken captive by Thanos’ children. We never see whether he lives or dies. We also never find out whether Ned, who creates a distraction for his friend Spider-Man to escape a school field trip at the beginning of the movie, lives or dies.
Would be weird/funny if Carol got zapped post-snap.
Even telling everyone there is a death in the movie is a spoiler. You can't mention how many before what or how many after what or who when. It's all spoilers. You need to make sure they every single thing related to events and plot in the movie is behind spoiler tags. Such as mentioning that a
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finger snap happens and/or the amount of people who died.
Have consideration for everyone else for all plot points and events.
Clearly snap deaths are meaningless since we know BP/SP/Doc Strange/GotG are all getting sequels. Pretty much a given that some of the survivors will die to set things right.
Dr. Strange clearly gave in because it was the only option for long term success. He literally said that.
But how?
Outlandish theory: Dr. Strange did something with the Time Stone to trick Thanos. Too many avenues from there to even guess at.
More rational theory: Thanos will drop his guard now that he succeeded. Carol Danvers (Captain Marvel) is going to come into play and her + Stormbreaker Thor could probably take on Thanos or at least get the gauntlet. They end up unable to simply 'snap' people back and go back in time to the original Avengers and defeat Thanos there to change the future.
Alternatively, Ant-man and the Wasp will perform some time-traveling shtick in their upcoming film that will lead to them suggesting and doing said shtick in A4. Would explain the lack of trailers for now as it might spoil things for A3.
Also, Captain Marvel and Captain America will have the following exchange. "Captain." "Captain."
Or have some basic courtesy with a reasonable time table for people to go see it. You know. The first weekend at least instead of spoiling gak day 2. It was only being asked for and followed for the last two pages.
Clearly snap deaths are meaningless since we know BP/SP/Doc Strange/GotG are all getting sequels. Pretty much a given that some of the survivors will die to set things right.
Dr. Strange clearly gave in because it was the only option for long term success. He literally said that.
But how?
Outlandish theory: Dr. Strange did something with the Time Stone to trick Thanos. Too many avenues from there to even guess at.
More rational theory: Thanos will drop his guard now that he succeeded. Carol Danvers (Captain Marvel) is going to come into play and her + Stormbreaker Thor could probably take on Thanos or at least get the gauntlet. They end up unable to simply 'snap' people back and go back in time to the original Avengers and defeat Thanos there to change the future.
Alternatively, Ant-man and the Wasp will perform some time-traveling shtick in their upcoming film that will lead to them suggesting and doing said shtick in A4. Would explain the lack of trailers for now as it might spoil things for A3.
Also, Captain Marvel and Captain America will have the following exchange. "Captain." "Captain."
I don't think it will be *that* complicated.
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I do think you're right about T getting complacent now that he's won.
And the MCU bigwig keeps harping about how Carol is super-duper strongest of all.
Combine that with a newly powered up Thor, and the rest of the bunch, and ....
...a Gauntlet Heist film?
And a Revenge Flick?
Lance845 wrote:Or have some basic courtesy with a reasonable time table for people to go see it. You know. The first weekend at least instead of spoiling gak day 2. It was only being asked for and followed for the last two pages.
Ugh.
Your complaining is boring, extremely nonsensical and off topic.
Spoiler:
(JUST WHAT ARE YOU HOPING TO READ IN THIS THREAD NOW ANYWAY?)
Clearly snap deaths are meaningless since we know BP/SP/Doc Strange/GotG are all getting sequels. Pretty much a given that some of the survivors will die to set things right.
Dr. Strange clearly gave in because it was the only option for long term success. He literally said that.
But how?
Outlandish theory: Dr. Strange did something with the Time Stone to trick Thanos. Too many avenues from there to even guess at.
More rational theory: Thanos will drop his guard now that he succeeded. Carol Danvers (Captain Marvel) is going to come into play and her + Stormbreaker Thor could probably take on Thanos or at least get the gauntlet. They end up unable to simply 'snap' people back and go back in time to the original Avengers and defeat Thanos there to change the future.
Alternatively, Ant-man and the Wasp will perform some time-traveling shtick in their upcoming film that will lead to them suggesting and doing said shtick in A4. Would explain the lack of trailers for now as it might spoil things for A3.
Also, Captain Marvel and Captain America will have the following exchange. "Captain." "Captain."
I figure it’ll be Soul Gem shenanigans that bring everyone back, especially since thry didn’t even “die” in the first place. In the end though if they kill off Thanos, I really want it to be Drax who does it. It’s literally his whole purpose in life, but the movies just kind of make a constant joke out of him. Give him his big moment.
Clearly snap deaths are meaningless since we know BP/SP/Doc Strange/GotG are all getting sequels. Pretty much a given that some of the survivors will die to set things right.
Dr. Strange clearly gave in because it was the only option for long term success. He literally said that.
But how?
Outlandish theory: Dr. Strange did something with the Time Stone to trick Thanos. Too many avenues from there to even guess at.
More rational theory: Thanos will drop his guard now that he succeeded. Carol Danvers (Captain Marvel) is going to come into play and her + Stormbreaker Thor could probably take on Thanos or at least get the gauntlet. They end up unable to simply 'snap' people back and go back in time to the original Avengers and defeat Thanos there to change the future.
Alternatively, Ant-man and the Wasp will perform some time-traveling shtick in their upcoming film that will lead to them suggesting and doing said shtick in A4. Would explain the lack of trailers for now as it might spoil things for A3.
Also, Captain Marvel and Captain America will have the following exchange. "Captain." "Captain."
I figure it’ll be Soul Gem shenanigans that bring everyone back, especially since thry didn’t even “die” in the first place. In the end though if they kill off Thanos, I really want it to be Drax who does it. It’s literally his whole purpose in life, but the movies just kind of make a constant joke out of him. Give him his big moment.
Clearly snap deaths are meaningless since we know BP/SP/Doc Strange/GotG are all getting sequels. Pretty much a given that some of the survivors will die to set things right.
Dr. Strange clearly gave in because it was the only option for long term success. He literally said that.
But how?
Outlandish theory: Dr. Strange did something with the Time Stone to trick Thanos. Too many avenues from there to even guess at.
More rational theory: Thanos will drop his guard now that he succeeded. Carol Danvers (Captain Marvel) is going to come into play and her + Stormbreaker Thor could probably take on Thanos or at least get the gauntlet. They end up unable to simply 'snap' people back and go back in time to the original Avengers and defeat Thanos there to change the future.
Alternatively, Ant-man and the Wasp will perform some time-traveling shtick in their upcoming film that will lead to them suggesting and doing said shtick in A4. Would explain the lack of trailers for now as it might spoil things for A3.
Also, Captain Marvel and Captain America will have the following exchange. "Captain." "Captain."
I don't think it will be *that* complicated.
Spoiler:
I do think you're right about T getting complacent now that he's won.
And the MCU bigwig keeps harping about how Carol is super-duper strongest of all.
Combine that with a newly powered up Thor, and the rest of the bunch, and ....
...a Gauntlet Heist film?
And a Revenge Flick?
Lance845 wrote:Or have some basic courtesy with a reasonable time table for people to go see it. You know. The first weekend at least instead of spoiling gak day 2. It was only being asked for and followed for the last two pages.
Ugh.
Your complaining is boring, extremely nonsensical and off topic.
Spoiler:
(JUST WHAT ARE YOU HOPING TO READ IN THIS THREAD NOW ANYWAY?)
How about...go see the movie instead?
People come into film threads to get an idea whether or not they will like the film. Putting major, catastrophic spoilers outside of spoiler tags is the act of douche who does not deserve to have friends.
AduroT wrote: People come into discussion threads to discuss things. If you just want reviews then just read reviews.
This is a discussion thread that originated over the trailers to the movie. Some of us come in here to check reviews, see if people like it. See if it is worth watching. You know, reviews from people we interact with as opposed to critic #293 who thought Gigli was a good movie.
There are spoiler tags for a reason. Use them. The thread title does not say "Warning, Spoilers inside" or anything like that warning people. Have some courtesy.
Spoiler tags are just a common courtesy. It takes what, 5 seconds of your time to add them? It might not make sense to you, but people will look in this thread to get a general feel for the movie's reception without wanting to know what actually happens. The thread title does not contain a spoiler warning, so it's reasonable for someone to click expecting a spoiler-free discussion.
Anyway...
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This is definitely the future Strange saw. He explicitly said earlier in the film that he would happily let Stark and Peter die to protect the Time Stone, but when the moment came, he gave it over to Thanos to save Stark. Thus, Stark must be integral to Thanos losing. And Strange's final line to him: 'we're in the endgame now'. He knows that Thanos had to get the stones, power the gauntlet and accomplish his mission for there to be any chance of saving the world.
I'd not be surprised if AMatW spends a lot of time in the Quantum Realm searching for Janet; at that point, it would be easy to write it so that they go in just before Infinity War and at the end of the film, emerge into a post-IW world having escaped the initial cataclysm. That would be a good way to tie it in, I think.
Captain Marvel is obviously going to be a major player in Avengers 4. Hell, given that Ronan The Accuser is making a comeback in her solo film, there's even an outside chance Thanos himself could make a small appearance there, which would be a neat way to bring things full circle. Maybe Carol sees him do his 'balancing' thing to a world, knows that at some point Earth is going to be in his sights and that's why Fury has the beacon to summon her when that happens (which would also explain why he didn't call her in when Loki or Ultron were around). Heck, maybe CM even sets up that Fury knew Thanos would be coming all along, and that's his ulterior motive for getting the Avengers together in the first place.
Time-travel is a given. Possibly spoilery, but set photos from Avengers 4 have a shot of Cap in his Assemble costume, suggesting that maybe they're planning to go back to the Battle of NY. Maybe even take the fight through the portal to Thanos (with a super-Thor and Carol in tow) before he has any of the Stones. That or its going to a roller-coaster through the MCU's history, changing things just slightly to give them a chance in the end. That'd be fitting as the end of this first era of Marvel, revisit some of the iconic moments one last time.
Given all the talk of 'trading lives' and 'balance', I fully expect a situation whereby even if the old guard Avengers save the world, they get killed in the process and don't get to see their victory. Which would be fitting, as it goes right back to the beginning. 'If we can't save the world, you can be damn sure we'll avenge it.' Yeah, that would be a very satisfying of losing those characters to make way for a new generation led by Spidey, Panther, Marvel ect.
I think this is actually a major point to IW's credit. It somehow manages to get everything and everyone in one film, but it's still leave the audience incredibly excited to get speculating about what comes next.
People come into film threads to get an idea whether or not they will like the film. Putting major, catastrophic spoilers outside of spoiler tags is the act of douche who does not deserve to have friends.
Captain Marvel is obviously going to be a major player in Avengers 4. Hell, given that Ronan The Accuser is making a comeback in her solo film, there's even an outside chance Thanos himself could make a small appearance there, which would be a neat way to bring things full circle. Maybe Carol sees him do his 'balancing' thing to a world, knows that at some point Earth is going to be in his sights and that's why Fury has the beacon to summon her when that happens (which would also explain why he didn't call her in when Loki or Ultron were around). Heck, maybe CM even sets up that Fury knew Thanos would be coming all along, and that's his ulterior motive for getting the Avengers together in the first place.
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Captain Marvel takes place in the 90's, so it won't require a 'comeback' from Ronan. Allegedly it will also involve the Kree/Skrull war too, though how you do that 1 movie will be interesting to see.
Maybe Thanos brings Ronan 'back' - but given that he failed - and Thanos had to the wreck Xandar himself - it's doubtful.
It will be interesting to see where Carol has been all this time and why Nick never paged her previous to this - the first Thanos inspired invasion of Earth seems like it would have been a good time to give her a call.
Comeback as in he'll be reprising the role, I'm aware the movie itself is a prequel. But I still wonder if we might see
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The start of Ronan's service to Thanos, after the war ends. It's implied in GotG that he's been under Thanos's direct control for some time, certainly enough to grow to resent him.
I'll just say its really good, but I'm hesitant to gush about it. Not because of any real failings, but simply because I've become so numb to the nitpick crowd being fueled by other people's hype and I'm kind of enjoying the weekend before I get to hear how terrible to movie was on Monday.
In part, its worth noting that its a very easy movie to overhype. A lot of what's stunning about it is akin to an Olympic stunt. It seems completely impossible to have so much spinning up in the air and stick the landing and when it hits and you realize they've done it it's... impressive. I feel like I saw something that will possibly never happen again. Still, its a sci fi blockbuster at heart and despite being an achievement, its very much reliant on you caring about the characters and for people not invested... IDK. As I've said, I'm enjoying this little bubble of positivity immensely.
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That opening is really something. It's one of the best opening scenes in terms of getting the ball rolling and establishing the villain and stakes. From there, the movie's secret is definitely making Thanos the protagonist with our heroes broken up into supporting roles. I've never really been a Thanos fan, to be honest, but the movie realizes his potential in a way the comics have never totally managed.
I do think the ending loses something by mostly killing off characters it will have to fix. That doesn't lesson the impact of that unusually cruel scene with Peter, but it does leave me less shaken than if it felt like it could stick.
In the past, the Soul Stone has been the key to stopping the Gauntlet and I'd not be surprised to see that happen again with it essentially being the character Thanos cares about. That said, I do think its wise to stop suggesting they're going to do anything that we saw in a comic once. They've very much been telling their own story in these and I suspect that will continue. My guess is that it will be more character related than people expect and come down to something like Thanos realizing that his actions didn't create the world he wanted after all.
One thing I'm glad about is that by going with such a downer here, I don't think there's as much need to go with a bad end for the original 6. I'd not be surprised to see them weild the stones as a group given the numerical symmetry, but at this point Marvel has done a great job defying expectations and I'm just looking forward to the ending they have in mind.
Probably not my top MCU movie, but fun, solid and even the moments I was kind of expecting based on the comic still had impact. It was cool just to bring all these characters together and see them bouncing off each other in ways I didn't expect. It underlines just how much work went into setting all this up and what a singular achievement the MCU is.
Saw it yesterday, absolutely fething loved it. Probably seeing it again on Monday.
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I thought it was a wonderful adaptation of the source material, and enjoyed all the nods to the original Infinity Gauntlet story arc (i.e. Hulk taking Silver Surfer's place crashing into Doctor Strange's study and warning the Avengers Thanos is coming; Nebula basically being held between life and death on the ship when Thanos was prying Gamora for the soul stone; and the end when he basically retires to that backwater planet to live in peace once he had done what he set out to do).
I had doubts going into this movie because of the enormous cast, but I had faith the Russo brothers would pull it off because they somehow made Civil War work which had a pretty large roster of characters as well. That faith was definitely not misplaced. I think compartmentalizing the heroes the way they did was very smart and stopped the movie from getting bogged down by such an unwieldy ensemble. There was just the right amount of humor and the character interactions were spot on. I especially loved Thor meeting the Guardians.
I was not expecting Thanos to actually pull off his scheme, but I'm glad they actually went there. A lot of the deaths I'm sure will be reversed but the same was true in the original story so that doesn't really bother me. I was very surprised none of the first gen heroes died. I actually winced when Tony got stabbed, really thought he was gonna meet his maker there. I was a HUGE fan of Wanda and Vision being together, way more natural than Hulk and Nat.
As a huge Thor fan I loved how much screen time he got. I practically cheered when he gets to earth and you hear the Avengers theme swell as he lets his axe fly. So much concentrated win. Loved his heart to heart with Rocket on the forge, really good stuff.
I could gush a lot more but I think I'll leave it there. I absolutely loved the movie, can't wait to see how they close it out next year.
Saw it yesterday. Brought back the feeling of reading my first huge crossover comics as a kid, and I got to experience it with a room full of people, many of whom had never had that experience. For that alone, it's an amazing film for me. The achievement of getting it made will no doubt be dissected and torn apart over time, but this movie is going to make a squillion bajillion dollars and Marvel deserve it. They've consistently made good calls, except for not having a female lead movie til now.
I hope Captain Marvel isn't too critical to A4. Not because of anything to do with the character or movie, but just because Infinity has been such a well earned finale that it would feel kind of cheap to throw a new character in at the end to save the day.
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Black Panther's role appears to be minimized here for similar reasons despite being arguably the best MCU film yet.
It's worth noting that one of the MCU's biggest successes is its lack of real continuity. Almost every time fans have predicted that something was going to happen in the next movie based on something from a prior film we've seen Marvel lean towards largely self contained narratives with only minor carryover that mostly extends to character dynamics. I'd be surprised to see them break that trend and make Captain Marvel's movie a mandatory piece of the Infinity narrative.
LunarSol wrote: I hope Captain Marvel isn't too critical to A4. Not because of anything to do with the character or movie, but just because Infinity has been such a well earned finale that it would feel kind of cheap to throw a new character in at the end to save the day.
Super Minor Spoilers
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Black Panther's role appears to be minimized here for similar reasons despite being arguably the best MCU film yet.
It's worth noting that one of the MCU's biggest successes is its lack of real continuity. Almost every time fans have predicted that something was going to happen in the next movie based on something from a prior film we've seen Marvel lean towards largely self contained narratives with only minor carryover that mostly extends to character dynamics. I'd be surprised to see them break that trend and make Captain Marvel's movie a mandatory piece of the Infinity narrative.
I think you're going to get your wish here.
Especially given the end credits scene, the hints of what will happen in the next two MCU movies AND that they keep referring to CM as the most powerful hero introduced to date...
To be honest, I think it's easy to take the MCU's connectivity for granted, at least as fans of the franchise. Yes, a lot of the movies and especially the recent ones have been fairly self-contained, but imagine going into Infinity War (or even Civil War) not having seen most of what's gone beforehand. There are some you can leave, but at least 5 or 6 that are essential as groundwork for IW.
I think any day-saving is still going to go to the core Avengers, the next film will probably be a last hurrah for a number of them and I imagine whatever ending comes about, at the very least Cap, Stark and Thor will be central to.
I *hope* that Tony and Steve get to peacefully 'retire', leaving the mantle of IRON MAN and CAPTAIN AMERICA to someone else (possibly...(x) and Bucky?).
Thor can assume the role of Odin, and maybe give Stormbreaker to Beta Ray Bill? (Unlikely, but I can dream, right?)
BUT, I'd bet on at least one (possibly 2 and maybe all 3!) making the Ultimate Sacrifice in order to...'make things right' again.
Paradigm wrote: To be honest, I think it's easy to take the MCU's connectivity for granted, at least as fans of the franchise. Yes, a lot of the movies and especially the recent ones have been fairly self-contained, but imagine going into Infinity War (or even Civil War) not having seen most of what's gone beforehand. There are some you can leave, but at least 5 or 6 that are essential as groundwork for IW.
I think any day-saving is still going to go to the core Avengers, the next film will probably be a last hurrah for a number of them and I imagine whatever ending comes about, at the very least Cap, Stark and Thor will be central to.
It's definitely not continuity free and IW is easily the most demanding in that regard, but its also pretty remarkable how few movies are absolutely crucial. For the most part you can probably get by on things named "Avengers" or "Captain America" with a bit of Thor 3 and Guardians 1 to spice things up.
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Mysterio wrote: I *hope* that Tony and Steve get to peacefully 'retire', leaving the mantle of IRON MAN and CAPTAIN AMERICA to someone else (possibly...(x) and Bucky?).
Thor can assume the role of Odin, and maybe give Stormbreaker to Beta Ray Bill? (Unlikely, but I can dream, right?)
BUT, I'd bet on at least one (possibly 2 and maybe all 3!) making the Ultimate Sacrifice in order to...'make things right' again.
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Honestly, I think they did enough with Thanos to make him a sympathetic candidate for that last one.
I'd say the first Avengers movie and Civil War would be good ones to watch as well, for the Avengers set up. If you have time or you really liked Avengers, Age of Ultron might also be worth watching just for setting up some of the characters.
Honestly, I'd go even further than that. I reckon at the very least you need:
Avengers Assemble (for general context, Loki, the battle of NY)
Guardians of the Galaxy (for the cosmic element, Thanos, the Power Stone, the Collector)
Captain America: Civil War (for the current situation)
Black Panther (to understand the importance of Wakanda)
You could probably do with Ragnarok (for Thor's starting location) and Doctor Strange (for the Time Stone) as well, though neither of those are actually great films in my book and the necessary exposition is repeated fairly early on in IW.
Paradigm wrote: Honestly, I'd go even further than that. I reckon at the very least you need:
Avengers Assemble (for general context, Loki, the battle of NY)
Guardians of the Galaxy (for the cosmic element, Thanos, the Power Stone, the Collector)
Captain America: Civil War (for the current situation)
Black Panther (to understand the importance of Wakanda)
You could probably do with Ragnarok (for Thor's starting location) and Doctor Strange (for the Time Stone) as well, though neither of those are actually great films in my book and the necessary exposition is repeated fairly early on in IW.
Wakanda really isn't important enough to the plot to be mandatory, IMO. Pretty much everything you need to know is in the post credits for Civil War. There are lots of reasons to watch Black Panther, but I wouldn't say understanding Infinity War is one of them.
I feel like Thor 3 is fairly important just because there's so much character change in that film from prior appearances and you get dropped basically directly into its ending. Dr Strange I'm pretty sure is entirely optional. Time Stone, but its explained better in IW than it is in Strange anyway. The most confusing bit of missing Strange is probably just trying to figure out why he talks to his cape so much.
I'd certainly consider Ragnarok as mandatory. Not only because of its "starting situation" for Thor and Hulk, but also because it is one of the best MCU movies to date. That movie is freggin' awesome.
I have 5 movies left to collect (not counting IW) and I'll have all the MCU movies
Avengers 1 Avengers 2 Winter Soldier Civil War Thor Ragnarok Dr. Strange.
Avengers 1 and 2 can introduce anyone to all these characters.
Winter soldier is more or less needed to help set up civil war.
Civil war is needed to show why the world is what it is now.
Ragnarok because of how it sets up those characters.
Dr. Strange because he plays a good big part in this and it really helps to know him going in I think.
Guardians 1 could be needed. Real spoilers
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But Dr. Strange introduces the stones history in this movie. So it's not REALLY needed besides to introduce you to those characters.
Did anyone else notice that the finger snap, I.e. using all 6 gems at once, severely damaged the gauntlet? It was all pockmarked and degrading and almost melting apart from the strain of it. I think that is their way to get rid of the gems after A4. They can use all 6 gems ONE more time to undo this and then the gauntlet will be destroyed. The dwarfs won't/can't make another. Nobody can wield them all again and so it can't be the go to to fix everything in the future.
It was awesome seeing Dr Strange use real crazy magic stuff. The crimson bands of cytorak and winds of watu made an appearance. Sweet.
It's a lot to unpack. I am sure I am going to have a lot of thoughts about this over the next few days.
Yea I had to look up who the Winter Soldier, Virgil and Virgil's girlfriend were as I had no idea. The beginning was a bit confusing as I haven't watched Ragnarok but I soon caught on.
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Did anyone else notice that the finger snap, I.e. using all 6 gems at once, severely damaged the gauntlet? It was all pockmarked and degrading and almost melting apart from the strain of it. I think that is their way to get rid of the gems after A4. They can use all 6 gems ONE more time to undo this and then the gauntlet will be destroyed. The dwarfs won't/can't make another. Nobody can wield them all again and so it can't be the go to to fix everything in the future.
Yea I saw that too, looked in pretty bad nick afterwards. I also noticed Thanos wasn't wearing the gauntlet whilst he was relaxing on his farm. Hopefully he took the precaution of destroying the gauntlet and scattering the stones to the wind so that his great work could never be undone. (Unfortunately there is a 2nd gauntlet in Dwarveton though)
It will be interesting if in the next film the galaxy is flourishing and a bitter and twisted Tony Stark finds Thanos on his farm and beats him up, continuing the theme of asking 'Are the 'heroes' really the good guys here?'
People here have said that its odd that its the original First Generation of Avengers who are left standing, whereas the New Generation were killed off when they still have upcoming movies slated.
I don't think its odd. Clearly in Avengers 4 it will be the responsibility of the First Gen Avengers to fix things and save the universe including the New Gen Avengers, so they can pass on the torch. Avengers 4 will be the Swan Song of the First Gen Avengers. Most of them will die, or be permanently retired, so the New Gen Avengers can flourish.
Kroem wrote: Yea I had to look up who the Winter Soldier, Virgil and Virgil's girlfriend were as I had no idea. The beginning was a bit confusing as I haven't watched Ragnarok but I soon caught on.
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Did anyone else notice that the finger snap, I.e. using all 6 gems at once, severely damaged the gauntlet? It was all pockmarked and degrading and almost melting apart from the strain of it. I think that is their way to get rid of the gems after A4. They can use all 6 gems ONE more time to undo this and then the gauntlet will be destroyed. The dwarfs won't/can't make another. Nobody can wield them all again and so it can't be the go to to fix everything in the future.
Yea I saw that too, looked in pretty bad nick afterwards. I also noticed Thanos wasn't wearing the gauntlet whilst he was relaxing on his farm. Hopefully he took the precaution of destroying the gauntlet and scattering the stones to the wind so that his great work could never be undone. (Unfortunately there is a 2nd gauntlet in Dwarveton though)
It will be interesting if in the next film the galaxy is flourishing and a bitter and twisted Tony Stark finds Thanos on his farm and beats him up, continuing the theme of asking 'Are the 'heroes' really the good guys here?'
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I wonder if, because its so damaged, it won't be capable of doing the whole thing. Maybe they will only be able to bring back most of everyone. What if the skrulls are kind of screwed in that exchange and it kicks off secret invasion?
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People here have said that its odd that its the original First Generation of Avengers who are left standing, whereas the New Generation were killed off when they still have upcoming movies slated.
I don't think its odd. Clearly in Avengers 4 it will be the responsibility of the First Gen Avengers to fix things and save the universe including the New Gen Avengers, so they can pass on the torch. Avengers 4 will be the Swan Song of the First Gen Avengers. Most of them will die, or be permanently retired, so the New Gen Avengers can flourish.
People here have said that its odd that its the original First Generation of Avengers who are left standing, whereas the New Generation were killed off when they still have upcoming movies slated.
I don't think its odd. Clearly in Avengers 4 it will be the responsibility of the First Gen Avengers to fix things and save the universe including the New Gen Avengers, so they can pass on the torch. Avengers 4 will be the Swan Song of the First Gen Avengers. Most of them will die, or be permanently retired, so the New Gen Avengers can flourish.
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Honestly, I hope that after the next one, the are no Avengers for a while. Yes, we all know that Spidey, Panther, Cap Marvel ect will come together as the new team at some point, but I think a far better way to tell that story would be having the Avengers as a concept retired (after all, they failed in IW when they were most needed), then when an Avengers-level threat comes up, the new team has to form around it.
Otherwise, it's just taken for granted that a big threat shows up, and the Avengers are going to be there to meet it. Let's have a couple of years with no Avengers, so that when the new team comes together, it's got some of the same magic Assemble had, and it's an event, rather than just another team up movie.
I came into this thread to discuss the trailer! After the movie came out! And I saw some spoiler buttons and felt compelled to click them, and there were spoilers! I can't believe you are posting spoilers on the internet! Of all the places to go to on the internet, I come here for safety, and now the whole movie is ruined for me!
Actually, I watched all the death scenes on reddit the day the film came out. Pretty amazing to see even if you know many of these characters are coming back. I am a huge Guardians fan, and well,
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seeing my whole team wiped out
, made me sick.
I have yet to actually see the movie, but plan to soon. I am sure I will love it.
Someone mentioned that Marvel has done everything right but have a woman lead, and this just isn't the case. Even after the woman-in-the-lead comes out and makes a bunch of people happy, I will be asking where is the superhero of Inuit origin? Over one billion people of Desi descent and yet no superhero for them to rally around. And I don't mean through in some popular regional movie star to play some fill in roll like a scientist who can do things no one else can. Maybe a transgender Samoan. I don't see why this is too much to ask for.
I will not rest or end my criticism of Marvel and Disney until every combination of race and gender on this planet has their own super over-powering character they all can feel good about.
Kroem wrote: Yea I had to look up who the Winter Soldier, Virgil and Virgil's girlfriend were as I had no idea. The beginning was a bit confusing as I haven't watched Ragnarok but I soon caught on.
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Did anyone else notice that the finger snap, I.e. using all 6 gems at once, severely damaged the gauntlet? It was all pockmarked and degrading and almost melting apart from the strain of it. I think that is their way to get rid of the gems after A4. They can use all 6 gems ONE more time to undo this and then the gauntlet will be destroyed. The dwarfs won't/can't make another. Nobody can wield them all again and so it can't be the go to to fix everything in the future.
Yea I saw that too, looked in pretty bad nick afterwards. I also noticed Thanos wasn't wearing the gauntlet whilst he was relaxing on his farm. Hopefully he took the precaution of destroying the gauntlet and scattering the stones to the wind so that his great work could never be undone. (Unfortunately there is a 2nd gauntlet in Dwarveton though)
It will be interesting if in the next film the galaxy is flourishing and a bitter and twisted Tony Stark finds Thanos on his farm and beats him up, continuing the theme of asking 'Are the 'heroes' really the good guys here?'
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This was planted all the way back in Guardians 1 and in fairness was already used AS the ending for Guardians 1, but its worth noting that its already been established that the stones can be used by a group of people. I'm still banking on the 6 stones for 6 avengers coincidence to come into play.
You know, if the rumors state that 5 years have passed since Infinity War, and our peeps are going to find some way to go back in time to undo things, well, 5 years is a long time. You are basically going undo anything that has happened in that time reverting things to the way they were prior to the snap. That means any survivors who hooked up and had kids would probably mean those would be wiped out. I know it wouldn't be the same as wiping out half the universe, but it would still be wipe out a lot of children.
Btw, if the Dwarves made the Gauntlet as requested by Thanos, who came up with the design that the stones could do what they do? How would Thanos even know that he would need the gauntlet to begin with? Any mention of this in the movie? Besides Gamora explaining the snap?
Wielding or failing to wield the stones seems to be something that just kind of exists in the cosmic end of the MCU. It's particularly noticeable in Guardians where the power stone is in some old containment sphere before being slapped on the side of a hammer. The point isn't that the gauntlet designs WHAT the stones can do; it simply keeps their power from killing the person wearing it while they use them. One of those ancient civilizations hiding them probably had a "Protective Gloves Must Be Warn" sign hanging by one of them.
I think it's possible the Gauntlet functions by reducing the power of the individual stones. Look at what the Power Stone does in this (big purple punches) versus what it did in GotG (potentially cracking a planet).
Admittedly, some of the stuff Thanos does calls this into question, but I think it's an easy enough handwavium excuse; the Gauntlet limits the powers of the individual Stones to the point where you can control them without destroying yourself.
Paradigm wrote: I think it's possible the Gauntlet functions by reducing the power of the individual stones. Look at what the Power Stone does in this (big purple punches) versus what it did in GotG (potentially cracking a planet).
Admittedly, some of the stuff Thanos does calls this into question, but I think it's an easy enough handwavium excuse; the Gauntlet limits the powers of the individual Stones to the point where you can control them without destroying yourself.
I thought that the stones being closer together actually made them MORE powerful. As in, the Power stone amplified the Space stone allowing Thanos to just teleport wherever he wants to go by thought alone.
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Which is actually pretty clever of Thanos to get those 2 first, btw
Paradigm wrote: I think it's possible the Gauntlet functions by reducing the power of the individual stones. Look at what the Power Stone does in this (big purple punches) versus what it did in GotG (potentially cracking a planet).
Admittedly, some of the stuff Thanos does calls this into question, but I think it's an easy enough handwavium excuse; the Gauntlet limits the powers of the individual Stones to the point where you can control them without destroying yourself.
I thought that the stones being closer together actually made them MORE powerful. As in, the Power stone amplified the Space stone allowing Thanos to just teleport wherever he wants to go by thought alone.
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Which is actually pretty clever of Thanos to get those 2 first, btw
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The new explanation for them in the comic is that each one grants you power equal to your existing power in another. So like... the Power granted by the Power stone is equal to your existing psychic abilities and the distance you can teleport with the Space stone is based on your physical strength. The idea being that having all 6 creates a loop that feeds itself.... Infinitely.
I don't think there's a tech spec for the stones in the film though. The films aren't really concerned with detailed mechanics (most films aren't, but fans try anyway) and honestly they're probably better off just being magic plot devices.
Mysterio wrote: Are you a 'Marvel Movie Only' guy, or did you have any previous Marvel Comics experience/knowledge?
I supposed you could say I'm a "movie only" person. I was into the comic books for a bit about 20 years ago, but not since. In a way, I'm the ideal fan these movies market to: someone with a passing familiarity of the characters to recognize them, but not dedicated enough to the source material to be devoted to any specific version of the characters or storyline.
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Yeah, I know characters come and go, die and are reborn or replaced all the time in the comics, to the point they have a revolving door afterlife. But, that doesn't lessen Peter's terror at dying, or Stark's grief over it. I know some of the damage will be undone in the sequel, but I also know that others will pay the price for it.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: People here have said that its odd that its the original First Generation of Avengers who are left standing, whereas the New Generation were killed off when they still have upcoming movies slated.
I don't think its odd. Clearly in Avengers 4 it will be the responsibility of the First Gen Avengers to fix things and save the universe including the New Gen Avengers, so they can pass on the torch. Avengers 4 will be the Swan Song of the First Gen Avengers. Most of them will die, or be permanently retired, so the New Gen Avengers can flourish.
Whelp, thanks. I was looking forward to the film spoiler free.
The spoiler tag is right below the subject and if you highlight your text and hit spoiler, it will do the whole thing for you. Maybe use that in the future please?
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: People here have said that its odd that its the original First Generation of Avengers who are left standing, whereas the New Generation were killed off when they still have upcoming movies slated.
I don't think its odd. Clearly in Avengers 4 it will be the responsibility of the First Gen Avengers to fix things and save the universe including the New Gen Avengers, so they can pass on the torch. Avengers 4 will be the Swan Song of the First Gen Avengers. Most of them will die, or be permanently retired, so the New Gen Avengers can flourish.
Whelp, thanks. I was looking forward to the film spoiler free.
The spoiler tag is right below the subject and if you highlight your text and hit spoiler, it will do the whole thing for you. Maybe use that in the future please?
This has been asked and answered several times. People want to read the thread to get a general consensus on the film, see if it's worth seeing ect. Which is easy to to if everyone uses spoiler tags. Again, it couldn't be easier to put tags on a post, why not just take the few seconds needed to do it?
Whether you think people should or shouldn't be reading the thread, they are, so using the tags is just a common courtesy.
Or how about this! The threads title is not Infinity war discussion SPOILERS. Its still about the trailer.
If you think people reading the thread should expect spoilers why dont you go start a new one that clearly states that your discussing the actual movie with spoilers in the title.
Otherwise, YOU are the one who should be expecting that people reading this thread have a reasonable expectation to have spoiler tags used and courtesy practiced.
Paradigm wrote: This has been asked and answered several times. People want to read the thread to get a general consensus on the film, see if it's worth seeing ect. Which is easy to to if everyone uses spoiler tags. Again, it couldn't be easier to put tags on a post, why not just take the few seconds needed to do it?
Whether you think people should or shouldn't be reading the thread, they are, so using the tags is just a common courtesy.
This. A fair amount of the discussion over the past few pages was what films were best to watch before going to see Infinity War in order to be set up with who the characters were and why stuff was happening.
Lance845 wrote: Or how about this! The threads title is not Infinity war discussion SPOILERS. Its still about the trailer.
If you think people reading the thread should expect spoilers why dont you go start a new one that clearly states that your discussing the actual movie with spoilers in the title.
Otherwise, YOU are the one who should be expecting that people reading this thread have a reasonable expectation to have spoiler tags used and courtesy practiced.
Soooooooo... we need to get the mods to go thru and delete all talk that’s not about the forth trailer, as anything else would be off topic?
If you want to read a review, go to a site that offers reviews. This is a discussion forum. If you open a thread clearly titled Infinity War, you’re going to get discussion of Infinity War. If it was a generic movie thread, or any thread not specifically about the movie, spoiler tags would be more than appropriate. It’s not. Expecting people to have to spoiler all discussion of Infinity War in a thread titled Infinity War nearly a full week after the movie came out is dense.
Lance845 wrote: Or how about this! The threads title is not Infinity war discussion SPOILERS. Its still about the trailer.
If you think people reading the thread should expect spoilers why dont you go start a new one that clearly states that your discussing the actual movie with spoilers in the title.
Otherwise, YOU are the one who should be expecting that people reading this thread have a reasonable expectation to have spoiler tags used and courtesy practiced.
Soooooooo... we need to get the mods to go thru and delete all talk that’s not about the forth trailer, as anything else would be off topic?
If you want to read a review, go to a site that offers reviews. This is a discussion forum. If you open a thread clearly titled Infinity War, you’re going to get discussion of Infinity War. If it was a generic movie thread, or any thread not specifically about the movie, spoiler tags would be more than appropriate. It’s not. Expecting people to have to spoiler all discussion of Infinity War in a thread titled Infinity War nearly a full week after the movie came out is dense.
Il give you this, expecting people from the internet to practice enough forthought decency and respect to click a button 2 times is a stretch. If experience has taught us anything, despite the simplicity of the effort needed we can all be sure there will be those of you who will actually fight to not spend the effort.
And then blame everyone else for your not doing it.
At this point, we should just get the TC or a mod to edit the thread title to include a spoiler warning.
No spoiler warning in the thread title means you should show the basic courtesy of providing spoiler warnings in your posts.
AduroT wrote: How long are people expected to do it? Before you said first weekend, but here we are nearly a full week later and you’re still complaining about it.
No, i called people out for doing it during the first weekend. General practice should be not until the monday after the second. You give everyone 2 full weekends to get the time to go give it a watch.
Given how little effort it takes, why not just do it for the duration of the thread? You might not think it's necessary, but equally, there's literally no drawback to it, so why not just do the courteous thing just in case?
Once more, it's 3 seconds per post (and that's being generous and assuming you're typing the tags rather than clicking the button) and it could save someone having the movie spoiled for them. I don't get why it's such a big deal. Just use the tags, and discuss away. No one's saying you can't talk spoilers, just that you take a moment to consider the people who are reading the thread who don't want to see them (whether you think they should or not).
AduroT wrote: How long are people expected to do it? Before you said first weekend, but here we are nearly a full week later and you’re still complaining about it.
No, i called people out for doing it during the first weekend. General practice should be not until the monday after the second. You give everyone 2 full weekends to get the time to go give it a watch.
...that is the 'general practice'?
Better not go into the Walking Dead thread here!
I think someone else had the best idea - have a MOD or the OP edit the title to remove the word "trailer" and add in the word "spoilers".
AduroT wrote: How long are people expected to do it? Before you said first weekend, but here we are nearly a full week later and you’re still complaining about it.
No, i called people out for doing it during the first weekend. General practice should be not until the monday after the second. You give everyone 2 full weekends to get the time to go give it a watch.
...that is the 'general practice'?
Better not go into the Walking Dead thread here!
I think someone else had the best idea - have a MOD or the OP edit the title to remove the word "trailer" and add in the word "spoilers".
Its easy il tell you what happened on walking dead.
A) nothing
B) rick decided he didnt want the responsibility of being leader and blew everyone off.
C) rick decided he was the leader and rallied everyone
D) all of the above
All joke aside there is a big difference between a discussion thread about a 40 minute show that comes on regularly for 5 years and a movie that just came out.
Spoilers are absolutely a courtesy that is easily done. Everyone posting in a thread about a recent movie should 100% be using spoiler tags. It is just good manners
Having said that, if you haven't seen the relevant movie, viewing content about it on the interwebs should be done with caution and at our own risk.
We should all be smart enough to know that not everyone will be courteous in life and therefore it should be expected that someone will spoiler info without using the tags.
Getting mad about it (or even pointing out that someone didn't use the tags) does literally nothing to solve this inevitable situation.
If you take the risk, you only have yourself to blame.
TL/DR: Let's all try to use the spoiler tags, but nobody needs to get mad if someone doesn't.
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I avoid spoilers by not reading discussion about the movie or watching anything to do with it until I've seen the movie. It's really easy to do.
I've discussed the experience of watching the movie here without plot specific spoilers because the plot was not super important to me, more the emotional reaction I had to it. But I think if you go reading a thread on this sort of thing and get spoiled it's your own damn fault.
I actually dislike spoiler tags a fair bit because they break up the discussion and make it annoying to read. I'll often skim posts with spoiler tags for that reason. I wouldn't go out of my way to spoil anything, but I think the angry reaction of people who went and read this thread is inappropriate, it's their fault.
AduroT wrote: How long are people expected to do it? Before you said first weekend, but here we are nearly a full week later and you’re still complaining about it.
No, i called people out for doing it during the first weekend. General practice should be not until the monday after the second. You give everyone 2 full weekends to get the time to go give it a watch.
...that is the 'general practice'?
Better not go into the Walking Dead thread here!
I think someone else had the best idea - have a MOD or the OP edit the title to remove the word "trailer" and add in the word "spoilers".
Its easy il tell you what happened on walking dead.
A) nothing
B) rick decided he didnt want the responsibility of being leader and blew everyone off.
C) rick decided he was the leader and rallied everyone
D) all of the above
OK, that was hilarious - well played there!
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Having said that, if you haven't seen the relevant movie, viewing content about it on the interwebs should be done with caution and at our own risk.
We should all be smart enough to know that not everyone will be courteous in life and therefore it should be expected that someone will spoiler info without using the tags.
Getting mad about it (or even pointing out that someone didn't use the tags) does literally nothing to solve this inevitable situation.
If you take the risk, you only have yourself to blame.
TL/DR: Let's all try to use the spoiler tags, but nobody needs to get mad if someone doesn't.
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Agreed!
I know I absolutley avoid any threads about things I haven't seen/read yet until I have seen/read the thing in question.
Kroem wrote:Yea everyone should use spoiler tags but also don't risk looking at threads before you see the film!
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So any ideas why Hulk was hiding the whole film? I heard Ragnarok featured him too much so maybe they were giving him a break
I'm guessing it was because he
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...got the snot beat out of him by Thanos?
But it was a weird interaction to be sure, so I wondering if we're heading towards the truly merged personality version of the Hulk - Hulk's body but Banner's brain?
Kroem wrote: Yea everyone should use spoiler tags but also don't risk looking at threads before you see the film!
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So any ideas why Hulk was hiding the whole film? I heard Ragnarok featured him too much so maybe they were giving him a break
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My guess is that he's basically embarrassed and a little frightened.
Prior to this, aside from being beaten by god-mode Thor in Ragnarok, the Hulk has never lost a fight. He's not used to the fact that someone can beat him. Thanos is absolutely brutal in his defeat of Hulk at the start, and he's just not used to that, maybe even scared by it; here's someone who's as strong as him, but also with far better training/technique and greater intelligence, and he doesn't know how to process that. Ragnarok raises the point that basically the Hulk has, at most, maybe 2-3 years' worth of experiences and emotional maturity, and this kind of defeat is totally new to him.
I wonder if the end goal of this in the next one might be a proper fusion of Banner's smarts and Hulk's strengths, both finally realising they need each other to win this. That's happened before in the comics and would be a fitting resolution to this Hulk arc they've been doing through the last couple of Avengers films and Ragnarok.
Kroem wrote: Yea everyone should use spoiler tags but also don't risk looking at threads before you see the film!
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So any ideas why Hulk was hiding the whole film? I heard Ragnarok featured him too much so maybe they were giving him a break
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I think Hulk was basically scared gakless of Thanos. Thanos beat him down with little effort in a matter of seconds. It's a pity Banner served as little more than comic relief and exposition, though. I do expect the next movie to bring us the merged Banner and Hulk.
Kroem wrote: Yea everyone should use spoiler tags but also don't risk looking at threads before you see the film!
Spoiler:
So any ideas why Hulk was hiding the whole film? I heard Ragnarok featured him too much so maybe they were giving him a break
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My guess is that he's basically embarrassed and a little frightened.
Prior to this, aside from being beaten by god-mode Thor in Ragnarok, the Hulk has never lost a fight. He's not used to the fact that someone can beat him. Thanos is absolutely brutal in his defeat of Hulk at the start, and he's just not used to that, maybe even scared by it; here's someone who's as strong as him, but also with far better training/technique and greater intelligence, and he doesn't know how to process that. Ragnarok raises the point that basically the Hulk has, at most, maybe 2-3 years' worth of experiences and emotional maturity, and this kind of defeat is totally new to him.
I wonder if the end goal of this in the next one might be a proper fusion of Banner's smarts and Hulk's strengths, both finally realising they need each other to win this. That's happened before in the comics and would be a fitting resolution to this Hulk arc they've been doing through the last couple of Avengers films and Ragnarok.
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The Russos pitched a Hulk story arc that Marvel really liked, but since Marvel can't distribute a standalone Hulk film, they got the okay to include it over 3 films (Thor 3/Avengers 3/4).
I think its pretty clear that that arc involves depicting the Hulk himself as a petulant child who's never picked a fight he can't win. Thanos gives him a humbling beating and he got his first taste of pain and fear and isn't dealing with it well at all.
Kroem wrote: Yea everyone should use spoiler tags but also don't risk looking at threads before you see the film!
Spoiler:
So any ideas why Hulk was hiding the whole film? I heard Ragnarok featured him too much so maybe they were giving him a break
Spoiler:
My guess is that he's basically embarrassed and a little frightened.
Prior to this, aside from being beaten by god-mode Thor in Ragnarok, the Hulk has never lost a fight. He's not used to the fact that someone can beat him. Thanos is absolutely brutal in his defeat of Hulk at the start, and he's just not used to that, maybe even scared by it; here's someone who's as strong as him, but also with far better training/technique and greater intelligence, and he doesn't know how to process that. Ragnarok raises the point that basically the Hulk has, at most, maybe 2-3 years' worth of experiences and emotional maturity, and this kind of defeat is totally new to him.
I wonder if the end goal of this in the next one might be a proper fusion of Banner's smarts and Hulk's strengths, both finally realising they need each other to win this. That's happened before in the comics and would be a fitting resolution to this Hulk arc they've been doing through the last couple of Avengers films and Ragnarok.
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The Russos pitched a Hulk story arc that Marvel really liked, but since Marvel can't distribute a standalone Hulk film, they got the okay to include it over 3 films (Thor 3/Avengers 3/4). I think its pretty clear that that arc involves depicting the Hulk himself as a petulant child who's never picked a fight he can't win. Thanos gives him a humbling beating and he got his first taste of pain and fear and isn't dealing with it well at all.
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Thats interesting, I never really thought of the Hulk as a separate person, more just Bruce when he is angry. Would a fusion Hulk just be the Grey Hulk though?
Kroem wrote: Yea everyone should use spoiler tags but also don't risk looking at threads before you see the film!
Spoiler:
So any ideas why Hulk was hiding the whole film? I heard Ragnarok featured him too much so maybe they were giving him a break
Spoiler:
My guess is that he's basically embarrassed and a little frightened.
Prior to this, aside from being beaten by god-mode Thor in Ragnarok, the Hulk has never lost a fight. He's not used to the fact that someone can beat him. Thanos is absolutely brutal in his defeat of Hulk at the start, and he's just not used to that, maybe even scared by it; here's someone who's as strong as him, but also with far better training/technique and greater intelligence, and he doesn't know how to process that. Ragnarok raises the point that basically the Hulk has, at most, maybe 2-3 years' worth of experiences and emotional maturity, and this kind of defeat is totally new to him.
I wonder if the end goal of this in the next one might be a proper fusion of Banner's smarts and Hulk's strengths, both finally realising they need each other to win this. That's happened before in the comics and would be a fitting resolution to this Hulk arc they've been doing through the last couple of Avengers films and Ragnarok.
Yes, exactly?
Since they can do a standalone (Damn you Universal! ANd double-damn you for doing the same to Namor!), I doubt we could get the full Peter David version of the story, but something close to how he handled a merged Hulk would be great.
The Russos pitched a Hulk story arc that Marvel really liked, but since Marvel can't distribute a standalone Hulk film, they got the okay to include it over 3 films (Thor 3/Avengers 3/4).
I think its pretty clear that that arc involves depicting the Hulk himself as a petulant child who's never picked a fight he can't win. Thanos gives him a humbling beating and he got his first taste of pain and fear and isn't dealing with it well at all.
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Thats interesting, I never really thought of the Hulk as a separate person, more just Bruce when he is angry.
Would a fusion Hulk just be the Grey Hulk though?
I guess this is more comic spoilers about the Hulk:
It varies a lot over the years, but the Hulk is almost always depicted as a separate person that share's Bruce's body. This often comes down to some version of multiple personality disorder, but they are pretty much always separate characters in any story that gives them an awareness of the other self. In particular, Hulk generally despises Banner both for being weak and for constantly trying to control/destroy his other self. Grey Hulk is one of those dumb attempts to mine continuity but its generally written as an additional personality. I've never really cared for it since at this point its mostly a neat bit of trivia about old color printers than something I think really adds anything to the character.
Fusion Hulk is almost always added as a way to put Hulk in the Avengers in a way that lets him be a team player and has pretty much never been good for the character. You just end up with this sort of boring Mary Sue without any quirks to tell interesting stories with. I think a big part of the success of the character in the MCU is the caged animal approach they've taken in the Avengers films. I do wonder if the Bruce/Widow pairing would have gone over better if it has been used less as a way to put him back in the box and more of a way to divide the two by showing both the Hulk and Banner falling for Widow with Hulk growing increasingly jealous of Banner.
Honestly, the best attempt to make Hulk a genuine character has to be Planet Hulk, that's the ultimate arc of him going from misunderstood monster to genuine hero to complete person, then having it all ripped away at the last second making for a true tragedy.
Unfortunately, Ragnarok got that pretty much entirely backwards, with its implication that Hulk was actually at his happiest when he was just thrown in the arena and made to fight things; the whole point of Planet Hulk as a story is that it gives him the opportunity, for once, to rise above the constant violence, or at least channel it to something more worthy than just smashing for its own sake.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: People here have said that its odd that its the original First Generation of Avengers who are left standing, whereas the New Generation were killed off when they still have upcoming movies slated.
I don't think its odd. Clearly in Avengers 4 it will be the responsibility of the First Gen Avengers to fix things and save the universe including the New Gen Avengers, so they can pass on the torch. Avengers 4 will be the Swan Song of the First Gen Avengers. Most of them will die, or be permanently retired, so the New Gen Avengers can flourish.
Whelp, thanks. I was looking forward to the film spoiler free.
The spoiler tag is right below the subject and if you highlight your text and hit spoiler, it will do the whole thing for you. Maybe use that in the future please?
Why the feth are you reading this thread then?
Because it is a thread involving the movie. Why the feth are you not using the Spoiler Tags to stop from Spoiling content? How do we have many many threads about television shows where people talk in spoiler tags to save people but as soon as this movie pops up people forget they exist and get upset when they get called out for making a mistake.
No I didn't. Its been a week since release already. Don't read internet discussion threads about a movie a week after release if you don't want to be spoiled.
Try exercising some god damn personal responsibility.
Try exercising some god damn personal responsibility.
This is just delicious. It really is.
Hardly. I reject your assertion that I have a responsibility to avoid posting spoilers in a movie discussion thread a week after its been released. Thats what this thread is for, free and open discussion. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read the thread until you've seen the movie.
Where do we draw the line? A week after release? Two weeks? A month? Dakka should have an official policy for spoilers, an official cut off point after which its permitted to post untagged Spoilers. Say 24 hours for TV, 2 weeks for a movie. When we have an official and consistent policy from the Mods, then I will respect spoilers.
Yeah, Hulk was just blatantly scared for all of the movie I think and that’s why Banner couldn’t change. I do like the number of people who had correctly predicted it was Banner in the Hulkbuster armor from the way it was moving in the trailers.
Try exercising some god damn personal responsibility.
This is just delicious. It really is.
Hardly. I reject your assertion that I have a responsibility to avoid posting spoilers in a movie discussion thread a week after its been released. Thats what this thread is for, free and open discussion. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read the thread until you've seen the movie.
Where do we draw the line? A week after release? Two weeks? A month? Dakka should have an official policy for spoilers, an official cut off point after which its permitted to post untagged Spoilers. Say 24 hours for TV, 2 weeks for a movie. When we have an official and consistent policy from the Mods, then I will respect spoilers.
Considering that any grade schooler should know that a week is 7 days and it's only been 6 as of this morning your entire assertion that "it's been a week" falls apart from the get go.
Besides that point, I said this last page. Some will actually fight to not take the bare minimum effort to click a button 2 times and then blame everyone else for not going through the effort. Welcome to the internet. Where the disrespectful and inconsiderate will tell you it's your fault.
Try exercising some god damn personal responsibility.
This is just delicious. It really is.
Hardly. I reject your assertion that I have a responsibility to avoid posting spoilers in a movie discussion thread a week after its been released. Thats what this thread is for, free and open discussion. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read the thread until you've seen the movie.
Where do we draw the line? A week after release? Two weeks? A month? Dakka should have an official policy for spoilers, an official cut off point after which its permitted to post untagged Spoilers. Say 24 hours for TV, 2 weeks for a movie. When we have an official and consistent policy from the Mods, then I will respect spoilers.
How about always use spoilers when discussing key plot points to movies in a thread because people look at those threads to judge people's reactions to movies or to find out what they need to watch/know before going in to it. That is why the spoilers tags are there. So you don't spoil things. We don't have a rule for it because the idea of a spoilers tag is pretty self explanatory. If we were good to just discuss key plot points in a thread, why would the spoiler tag even exist?
You can reject the notion all you want. It just makes it funnier to watch you try to understand this concept.
So you are intentionally not using spoiler tags in order to ruin the movie for people?
Also, before the "I'm not ruining the movie, you are for reading this thread" you should understand this thread was made well before the movie so we could discuss the trailers. Not the movie itself. I have actively avoided all other discussion on many platforms so I didn't ruin the movie, also because all of those discussions used SPOILER TAGS to give fair warning.
No, I'm refusing to bend over backwards for people who insist on reading a discussion thread that they know will contain spoilers after the movie has been released.
Again, I will use Spoiler tags when the Mods institute a clear and consistent policy dictating how long after release we must use Spoiler tags. Until then, you're making a vague open ended demand. How long after release do we draw the line? One week? Two weeks? A month? Six months? How long must I use Spoiler tags for? There'll be people two or three months from now who still won't have seen the movie. Must we continue using spoiler tags in July or August?
I want clear instruction from the Mods, not a vague and open ended demand from other members of Dakka Dakka. Draw a line, and I will respect it.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: No, I'm refusing to bend over backwards for people who insist on reading a discussion thread that they know will contain spoilers after the movie has been released.
Again, I will use Spoiler tags when the Mods institute a clear and consistent policy dictating how long after release we must use Spoiler tags. Until then, you're making a vague open ended demand. How long after release do we draw the line? One week? Two weeks? A month? Six months? How long must I use Spoiler tags for? There'll be people two or three months from now who still won't have seen the movie. Must we continue using spoiler tags in July or August?
I want clear instruction from the Mods, not a vague and open ended demand from other members of Dakka Dakka. Draw a line, and I will respect it.
Oh my gosh you have to bend over backwards to hit the spoiler button. My apologies, I was unaware you had to go through such a trial to click something. I'm not sure what kind of peripherals you are using but I would gladly send you some that would put less strain on you. I don't have much money but I can afford a mouse and keyboard for you.
We drew a line. The majority of the posters here agree. Why do you need a Mod to tell you what the majority of us have told you? Do you need mods to hold your hand that much?
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Whatever. If you're going to start resorting to personal attacks, then we're done talking.
Then you need to stop acting like you are going through some sort of trial to click a button twice. I just took your silly comment and expanded on it. See how silly it was?
OMG I have been keeping this buried for so many years and now have a chance to use it!
So I heard a rumor from a red shirt so take it with a grain of salt, please forgive me if this has already been posted, but when they go back in time to beat Thanos and undo everything, someone steps on a butterfly, modifying all of the future events. When they go back to present time, it turns out that the MCU rolls right into the movie Idiocracy, only with Marvel superheros. And they all have the tatoos too. Ta-Too?
Gamora might get a new life due to her connection to the Soul Stone, and/or Vision with the Mind Stone, but everyone else is likely toast. Even Loki. His moment was too good, reversing it would ruin a lot of it.
I went in completely blind on Tuesday and avoided everything, including this thread, because I wanted to know nothing. I watched trailers because I know they deliberately mislead so they were just neat avengers tasters.
All that said it was totally worth it. The movie started out hot and just kept rolling. I think Loki is done. I think Gamora and Vision are coming back. I think we'll see Cap go down permanently in the second part and Iron Man will essentially retire (killing him is hard since doesn't he have the AIM thing to now?). They'll use RDJ from time to time like they used to use Samuel L Jackson to hold the MCU continuity together.
I simply loved that they basically made the villain the "hero" on the quest like someone said earlier. It was a fantastic twist to make Thanos an actual scary villain. We've now had 2 actual villains worth a snot in the MCU and one killed the other
Hulksmash wrote: We've now had 2 actual villains worth a snot in the MCU and one killed the other
I'd put Ego from GotG2 in there, too. A being who decided to eliminate all life in the universe not for any grand goal, or to claim power or anything like that. No, he did it just because he was so disappointed with it and for that reason it had to be extinguished.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: No, I'm refusing to bend over backwards for people who insist on reading a discussion thread that they know will contain spoilers after the movie has been released.
Again, I will use Spoiler tags when the Mods institute a clear and consistent policy dictating how long after release we must use Spoiler tags. Until then, you're making a vague open ended demand. How long after release do we draw the line? One week? Two weeks? A month? Six months? How long must I use Spoiler tags for? There'll be people two or three months from now who still won't have seen the movie. Must we continue using spoiler tags in July or August?
I want clear instruction from the Mods, not a vague and open ended demand from other members of Dakka Dakka. Draw a line, and I will respect it.
Reported so maybe they can help clarify it for you.
I could see Thor getting a few near death trips to Valhalla that let Loki cameo. I do think its best if they don't do the Norse rebirth stuff the comics keep falling back on and keep the Asgardians that have died, dead.
