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The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/07 03:15:51


Post by: Alpharius


And we're off an running with a January (more or less) preview:

 Red Harvest wrote:
Apparently this is the list according to the new and (improved?) foros oficiales:

Bit & Kiss
Garuda Tactbots (BS)
Irmandinhos (CR)
Knight Hospitallers Box
Kuang Shi Box
Spektrs (Repack?)
Al Hawwa ' Unit (Repack)

Given the the Al Hawwa'' hacker is already in the QK sectorial starter box, I wonder what is going on.



The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/07 03:59:35


Post by: SlaveToDorkness


Do we have shots or renders of Bit and Kiss?



The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/07 04:34:31


Post by: Absolutionis


omg what's with all this fanservice in Infinity? All the females are so sexualized. omg


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/07 04:34:54


Post by: Red Harvest


Just the concept art.



The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/07 23:19:41


Post by: Micky


 Absolutionis wrote:
omg what's with all this fanservice in Infinity? All the females are so sexualized. omg


It's almost as if they've seen anime.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/08 02:59:02


Post by: Red Harvest


Uhm. Okay. Combatheelsboobarmorbaremidrifflongponytaildatassnunsbunsguns

There. All out. Now, no more 'til next year. Bokay?

The old forum goes read-only in a few hours, so if you want to post anything there, or sign in and do something, now would be the time.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/08 06:57:11


Post by: .Mikes.


No. If CB makes ridiculous models they need calling out.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/08 07:26:34


Post by: Mastiff


You gotta admit... it’s funny seeing a comment about fanservice, immediately followed by concept art of a guy’s naked ass.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/08 07:42:18


Post by: jake


 .Mikes. wrote:
No. If CB makes ridiculous models they need calling out.


Not really. Just because you/me/anybody thinks something is ridiculous doesn't mean it actually is. And no one really wants to look at comment after comment of people whining because the newest model doesn't exactly fit into what they think is acceptable.

I mean, there certainly should be room for thoughtful and engaging commentary, but this community has never had a reputation for that.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/08 08:31:04


Post by: smurfORnot


Kuang Shi...OMG...finally, it was about time, since they went heavily into releasing stuff for ISS, yet didn't release Kuang Shi which were olddd and meh looking. Really looking forward towards them. ANd you know, gotta get 2 boxes of them for extra chees and order pool for catbot.

Although as much as I would like to be excited for Ironmanhidos, I already have perfect proxy for them, Dogface, chainrifle ccw is only profile I use Ironmanhidos as, so these work just fine ...still, if sculpts end up really good, I might pick em up.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/08 11:32:05


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Beyond the actual practical benefits of having a sexualised (not sexual) form on male and female figures, it makes them stand out from each other (seriously we have this discussion almost twice per year in the discussion sub forum), there is also another thing to consider.

Infinity has established its art style and its form is expected, as a product and IP it has matured and some things are expected, including the style and sculpting quality.

Departing from that is not a logical or viable option.

On the released I am really curious to see how the new Kuang Shi will look.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/08 12:50:38


Post by: Alpharius


What exactly are we talking about in here?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/08 12:52:16


Post by: Kanluwen



First sniper shot of 2018. Looks like Irmandinhos.


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 Red Harvest wrote:
Apparently this is the list according to the new and (improved?) foros oficiales:

Bit & Kiss
Garuda Tactbots (BS)
Irmandinhos (CR)
Knight Hospitallers Box
Kuang Shi Box
Spektrs (Repack?)
Al Hawwa ' Unit (Repack)

Given the the Al Hawwa'' hacker is already in the QK sectorial starter box, I wonder what is going on.

I said awhile ago that I expect to see a new QK Starter, and the Al-Hawwa getting a repack makes sense.

I'm hoping that the Spektr isn't a repack but rather resculpt of the MSR and Hacker.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/08 13:55:36


Post by: Red Harvest


That's some unusual tool placement. I wonder if the sculptor has ever worn a tool belt. Don't bend forward too fast or too far irmandiño.

I see 5 new releases already, so spektr is definitely a repack. Al hawwa can onlyv be hacker and sniper. Maybe the QK starter will have the BS al hawwa (FO version). It should have the AP rifle janissary.

CB are at least paying attention to the Vedics now.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/08 14:12:31


Post by: Kanluwen


 Red Harvest wrote:
That's some unusual tool placement. I wonder if the sculptor has ever worn a tool belt. Don't bend forward too fast or too far irmandiño.

It's not a tool belt, it's stuff attached to a tactical/dive vest.

I see 5 new releases already, so spektr is definitely a repack. Al hawwa can onlyv be hacker and sniper. Maybe the QK starter will have the BS al hawwa (FO version). It should have the AP rifle janissary.

I looked the product listing info up. Yes, it's a repack.

It's the MSR(one of the worst Sniper models to date, and that includes the poledancing Al-Hawwa Sniper) with the BSG. Oddly enough though the product info is:
This is a repackaging of individual products into a single product. It is a blister with two miniatures that includes one Spektr with Boarding Shotgun and one Spektr with MULTI Sniper Rifle Hacker.

If you can't spot why that is odd, it's because there is no MULTI Sniper Rifle Hacker.

Also the Hacker is currently "Limited by Manufacturer; Sold Out" from where I can find it. My predictions for the Tunguska starter inch ever closer...

This is a repackaging of individual products into a single product. It is a blister with two miniatures that includes one Al Hawwa with Sniper Rifle and one Al Hawwa Hacker.

Normal.

A former member of the ALIVE Anti-Establishment Group, one of the protagonists of the last ITS season. There are no reports that clarify whether she was sepsitorized or convinced by the EI, but now Bit and her Remote KISS! fight in favor of the Combined Army.

Spoiler: She was sepsitorized. CB might try to play it off as that not being the case, but it's because they love to weasel around with that crap for later "reveals".

Also; can now confirm the release list is what's coming. MSRP on the Irmandinho is $11.17 so expect one model in the blister, not two. He's the same price as the WarCor last month was.
MSRP for the others is:
Bit & Kiss, Spektrs and Al-Hawwa are $18.49
Kuang Shi are $30.47
Knights are $41.37
Garuda is $14.12.

Also: Huh. Weird. The Moran were slated for a repack but that didn't happen.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/08 22:05:49


Post by: Modock


Too bad spektr sniper isn't going to get resculpted. The current one is butt ugly.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/08 22:18:54


Post by: PsychoticStorm


I was discussing about that sniper yesterday, its one of the oddest tactical sniper poses out there and makes no sense without a wall on the back, a police position too, not military.

I really liked the obscure reference, but as many have said it looks way odd.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/08 22:26:02


Post by: Modock


Isn't it a bit weird repacking a new and an old mini? The boarding shotgun is great but that sniper...


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/08 22:58:45


Post by: Kanluwen


 Modock wrote:
Isn't it a bit weird repacking a new and an old mini? The boarding shotgun is great but that sniper...

Nah. They're lazy when it comes to new sculpts when the old stuff hasn't sold well. And that model hasn't sold well for quite some time.

The Hacker on the other hand is now being discontinued and that points towards a Spektr Hacker for a Tunguska starter set.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/08 23:04:11


Post by: Modock


Cool, thanks for the update.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/09 00:56:57


Post by: PsychoticStorm


I am sorry Kan, I think you are wrong on this one, all models bundled as two so far are models of the same era, I cannot think or find any bundled models that were once alone and got repacked as two to be of different eras, if the Spektr pack is not MRL and Hacker it will be the first one to deviate from this idea.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/09 01:30:34


Post by: Kanluwen


 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I am sorry Kan, I think you are wrong on this one, all models bundled as two so far are models of the same era, I cannot think or find any bundled models that were once alone and got repacked as two to be of different eras, if the Spektr pack is not MRL and Hacker it will be the first one to deviate from this idea.

Then you're not looking hard enough. The Naga repack had two different "eras"(the Minelayer Naga was a CAD sculpt and the Sniper isn't), the Zeros repack has two different "eras"(the Hacker came with Human Sphere/Paradiso; the Combi Rifle with knife behind his back Zero has been around since at least early N2), then you have PanO with the ORC repack(HMG and BSGs were two different 'eras' of sculpting) and the Croc Man repack...
Not to mention that the BSG and Hacker Croc-Man models are actually what was supposed to be replaced by the design that we got for the MSR Croc-Man, with the wetsuit setup.

I've got the product info. I copy/pasted it where relevant. It says the MSR and Boarding shotgun model.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/09 01:57:17


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Agreed but, the Zeros in the bundle are the only two zeros in the catalogue when they were bundled, the emauler one was discontinued from the range long before the bundle happened so the old Zero (who is form the beginning of Infinity) was the only one to be bundled, Orc HMG and BS are exactly of the same era I think they ahd 3 months gap in their release and the Crocs fall in the same category as the Zeros, interestingly Crocs have a big gap in their releases now that I am thinking about it.

I am not disputing you that you copy pasted what you saw, though it could be an error on what they send given they wrote MSR hacker, I just say they are not "lazy" bundling a new sculpt with an old one.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/09 08:46:34


Post by: jake


 Kanluwen wrote:


one of the worst Sniper models to date, and that includes the poledancing Al-Hawwa Sniper


How can this model possibly be construed as a poledancer? She's literally just standing next to her rifle. She's one of the least sexualized models in the entire range.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/09 09:54:24


Post by: smurfORnot


They are bundling 2 blisters as single product to reduce SKU, at the same time, they release Ironmanhido which are current 2 minis blister as single mini...totally makes sense.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/09 13:17:59


Post by: jake


 smurfORnot wrote:
They are bundling 2 blisters as single product to reduce SKU, at the same time, they release Ironmanhido which are current 2 minis blister as single mini...totally makes sense.


I don't want to ruin your fun, but it does make sense. Bundling older models in blisters does reduce SKUs, regardless of what they choose to release next. And most likely we won't see a 2nd Irmandihno blister (I suspect a 2nd model will show up in a starter at some point).


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/09 13:27:02


Post by: Kanluwen


 jake wrote:
 smurfORnot wrote:
They are bundling 2 blisters as single product to reduce SKU, at the same time, they release Ironmanhido which are current 2 minis blister as single mini...totally makes sense.


I don't want to ruin your fun, but it does make sense. Bundling older models in blisters does reduce SKUs, regardless of what they choose to release next.

The issue with this is that it doesn't do jack to promote the game in a meaningful way. It just shows that they'd rather keep rebadging old crap as "new! exciting!".
If the Boarding Shotgun Spektr came with a brand new Hacker or MSR sculpt? I wouldn't be saying anything.
But he didn't. It's two entirely different design schemes put into one blister because reasons. Notice that it's not actually the two oldest models from the Spektr group being put into one blister; it's one old and one new. The Boarding Shotgun Spektr's been a fairly consistent seller as well, since his arms key pretty well to the arms on the starter set Spektr, letting you do some easy arm swaps if you want.

And most likely we won't see a 2nd Irmandihno blister (I suspect a 2nd model will show up in a starter at some point).

More likely than not, we're going to see a second Irmandhino blister with a "proxy" model since there's 3 profiles.

The TAK starter is going to be too crowded for them to throw in the Irmandhino. Scout with Ojotnik, Veteran Kazaks, the Tankhunter, etc are all too highly desired for that slot for them to waste it on a unit that only vanilla or TAK players are going to be buying into since no other Sectorial can take them.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/09 21:53:12


Post by: -Loki-


 jake wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:


one of the worst Sniper models to date, and that includes the poledancing Al-Hawwa Sniper


How can this model possibly be construed as a poledancer? She's literally just standing next to her rifle. She's one of the least sexualized models in the entire range.


Because if it's not 'both feet planets to the ground, aiming down the gun sight pointed straight forward' Kanluwen thinks it's terrible and/or cheesecake.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/09 22:06:39


Post by: Kanluwen


 -Loki- wrote:
 jake wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:


one of the worst Sniper models to date, and that includes the poledancing Al-Hawwa Sniper


How can this model possibly be construed as a poledancer? She's literally just standing next to her rifle. She's one of the least sexualized models in the entire range.


Because if it's not 'both feet planets to the ground, aiming down the gun sight pointed straight forward' Kanluwen thinks it's terrible and/or cheesecake.

Spoiler:

It's more because that particular model's pose has what CB considers their 'special lady' pose. Hips slightly to one side in an attempt with one hand on hip to make the model look sassy.
You can find that pose(or a variation where the hand isn't on the hip) across all the various ranges for Infinity.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/09 22:15:37


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Yes, it is a resting pose? the problem is?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/09 22:53:40


Post by: Kanluwen


 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Yes, it is a resting pose? the problem is?

If it's such a common "resting pose", where are the males doing the same thing?
Hips shifted to one side, hand placed onto the top of the barrel of the firearm, offhand resting upon their hip or doing something goofy like fingerguns.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/09 23:14:07


Post by: PsychoticStorm


And the problem is?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/09 23:40:19


Post by: Alpharius


Only 2 pages in too!

Now, back to Infinity News and Rumors - thanks!


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 00:24:43


Post by: Red Harvest


Kids these days

Amirite?

This article from a week and a half ago. https://www.infinitythegame.com/blog/articles/item/448-2018-a-year-of-challenges Some "big news" on Beasts of War in early March.

Sounds like a Paradiso N3 announcement then, or later at GenCon/for GenCon.



The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 01:46:36


Post by: -Loki-


If it's not news of some sort of the next book I'll be incredibly disappointed.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 09:18:13


Post by: Monkeysloth


Carlos said during Aresteia week that the march announcement would be huge and shake things up setting wise.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 12:13:03


Post by: .Mikes.


They're getting rid of Tohaa.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 15:29:47


Post by: Red Harvest


They are bringing back the Exrah. As a Merc sectorial.

Actually, reading the rest of the article, they will release the Dire Foes 7: Hillbillies versus Bugs box (really called "Dire Foes Mission Pack 7: Candy Cloud") It appears to be a lead up to the next on-line campaign. The CA and USAriadna seem an odd dire foe set. This may be a clue about the setting shake-up.



The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 15:49:21


Post by: jake


 Kanluwen wrote:
 -Loki- wrote:
 jake wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:


one of the worst Sniper models to date, and that includes the poledancing Al-Hawwa Sniper


How can this model possibly be construed as a poledancer? She's literally just standing next to her rifle. She's one of the least sexualized models in the entire range.


Because if it's not 'both feet planets to the ground, aiming down the gun sight pointed straight forward' Kanluwen thinks it's terrible and/or cheesecake.

Spoiler:

It's more because that particular model's pose has what CB considers their 'special lady' pose. Hips slightly to one side in an attempt with one hand on hip to make the model look sassy.
You can find that pose(or a variation where the hand isn't on the hip) across all the various ranges for Infinity.


Yes. thats actually how humans stand. I stand like that every day. Standing next to a vertical object with one hand on her hip does not make a woman a pole dancer.

Yes, you can find that pose being used several times in the Infinity line. Its actually an extremely naturalist pose, so its repetition makes sense.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 15:52:13


Post by: Knight


... lets try not to emulate the behavior of official forums? At least not in the news & rumors thread? Please?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 15:53:50


Post by: Kanluwen


 Red Harvest wrote:
They are bringing back the Exrah. As a Merc sectorial.

Actually, reading the rest of the article, they will release the Dire Foes 7: Hillbillies versus Bugs box (really called "Dire Foes Mission Pack 7: Candy Cloud") It appears to be a lead up to the next on-line campaign. The CA and USAriadna seem an odd dire foe set. This may be a clue about the setting shake-up.


Spoiler:

She's supposed to be some kind of "Maya Star" from what it has her labeled as, so it's probably another reporter/reality TV star like GoGo Marlene.

Remember that they've been saying for awhile they wanted to do a Nexus SpecOp/Dire Foe so this is as good of a spot as any to get one.
I'm kinda worried about the USARF one since we've gotten two males now for them(the Event exclusive one is male) and I have a sneaky feeling they're gonna give us something crappy because of it. Hopefully it's the Winter Soldier knock-off that a lot of us were badgering them for, so the Unknown Ranger can have a sniper sidekick.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 16:48:46


Post by: Alpharius


 Red Harvest wrote:
They are bringing back the Exrah. As a Merc sectorial.


Don't get my hopes up!

 Knight wrote:
... lets try not to emulate the behavior of official forums? At least not in the news & rumors thread? Please?


Consider that an Official Request as well...


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 18:22:02


Post by: Red Harvest


I'm not trying to get your hopes up. It would certainly fit the description, "a very important surprise that will amaze you" . The remnants of the Concordant still in the Human Sphere of space form a Mercenary force for hire. Instant "non-aligned army". CB gave us the Krakot Renegades. Alein mercs are not ouot of the question anymore.

However it is probably something else. Maybe they'll announce a fantasy skirmish game? Now that would amaze me.

The Dire Foes: It'll be the USAriadna version of Uxia MacNeill. or we'll get some Scarlett Johansson as black widow shout-out. More Comic book references. Ugh.



Automatically Appended Next Post:
Forgot to add, "Candy Double Mayastar" CB misspelled the name. Kandi, I think would fit better.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 18:35:55


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


as their experience working with boardgame plastic has been positive they announce the whole line will be heading that way like guildball?

it would certainly surprise and amaze


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 18:46:41


Post by: Kanluwen


 Red Harvest wrote:
I'm not trying to get your hopes up. It would certainly fit the description, "a very important surprise that will amaze you" . The remnants of the Concordant still in the Human Sphere of space form a Mercenary force for hire. Instant "non-aligned army". CB gave us the Krakot Renegades. Alein mercs are not ouot of the question anymore.

However it is probably something else. Maybe they'll announce a fantasy skirmish game? Now that would amaze me.

Ehhh..."alien mercs" were never really out of the question. We had Le Muet before we had the Krakot. We had the fluff for the Exrah, etc.

I'm going to say that it will be announcing that the Antipodes are, in fact, Tohaa creations and are joining the Tohaa.
Whatever it is, it'll be tied into the BoW campaign (of course it will...) and it will probably have some silly predetermined results that make GW's worldwide campaigns look legitimate.

The Dire Foes: It'll be the USAriadna version of Uxia MacNeill. or we'll get some Scarlett Johansson as black widow shout-out. More Comic book references. Ugh.

Uxia's Scottish and TAK.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
as their experience working with boardgame plastic has been positive they announce the whole line will be heading that way like guildball?

it would certainly surprise and amaze

More like it would be "scorned and angering".


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 19:07:34


Post by: Red Harvest


To understate the reaction. yes.

I meant alien merc faction. And to spell it correctly too. :S

I would say antipodes were a race that the Tohaa were 'exalting' before humans arrived and interrupted. But I don't find that surprising or amazing. Too many hints about it in the books already.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 19:33:42


Post by: Dark Severance


 Alpharius wrote:
Consider that an Official Request as well...
Miniature poses is a topic that is important for various reasons even if I agree or disagree with opinions on them. It is always good to get perspectives and hear about bad and good ones... so I created a topic for discussion in another thread to separate it from here.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/748317.page#9779079


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 20:35:55


Post by: LunarSol


Wasn't the March announcement supposedly something "more controversial than Ko Dali" or something like that?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 20:45:51


Post by: Kanluwen


 LunarSol wrote:
Wasn't the March announcement supposedly something "more controversial than Ko Dali" or something like that?

Bostria was claiming that it would be something as divisive/trolly as Ko Dali being moved over to the Combined Army.

But given that it's Bostria claiming it, it's best taken with a pinch of salt since his trolling is well-known.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 21:15:06


Post by: Absolutionis


The WarCor looks a lot like GiJoe's Scarlett. Hard to tell for sure, though considering the design overall is a bit generic.
Spoiler:


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 21:38:47


Post by: .Mikes.


 Kanluwen wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Wasn't the March announcement supposedly something "more controversial than Ko Dali" or something like that?

Bostria was claiming that it would be something as divisive/trolly as Ko Dali being moved over to the Combined Army.

But given that it's Bostria claiming it, it's best taken with a pinch of salt since his trolling is well-known.


Moving a character to another faction..... Minh, which faction has a tonne of named..... Oh dear.... Poor Steel Phalanx


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 21:44:21


Post by: ImAGeek


 .Mikes. wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Wasn't the March announcement supposedly something "more controversial than Ko Dali" or something like that?

Bostria was claiming that it would be something as divisive/trolly as Ko Dali being moved over to the Combined Army.

But given that it's Bostria claiming it, it's best taken with a pinch of salt since his trolling is well-known.


Moving a character to another faction..... Minh, which faction has a tonne of named..... Oh dear.... Poor Steel Phalanx


Or poor whatever faction gets their character moved to Steel Phalanx...


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 21:47:39


Post by: Alpharius


Why?

What am I missing there?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 22:13:29


Post by: ImAGeek


 Alpharius wrote:
Why?

What am I missing there?


It was just a rubbis attempt at a joke because of how many characters they have.

I’ll see myself out.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/10 23:23:41


Post by: Micky


From the sounds of it it was teased as an "in universe / lore" shakeup or event, so everyone suddenly turning into plastic seems a remote possibility.

New factions / faction changes, or a new campaign, or something like that seems more likely.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/11 08:01:38


Post by: Monkeysloth


 .Mikes. wrote:
They're getting rid of Tohaa.


Angel will be happy if that's the case. He hates painting them as they're just too ugly.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 03:26:49


Post by: SlaveToDorkness


Jeez, I'd forgotten how much tactical junk they were on. Will do a fair bit of sawing on those under-feet.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 03:51:22


Post by: Modock


Oh my, these are jaw dropping!


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 04:44:59


Post by: Micky


Certainly good candidates for multi-level resin bases - like streets with kerbs, or steps.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 06:26:27


Post by: Red Harvest


Sweet! Nonetheless, good thing I have a jeweler's saw. Sword boy will probably be painted as a Montesa. I can always use my Father-Knight from Icestorm as a 4th Hospitaller. Or 5th.

They are very nice.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 07:25:04


Post by: .Mikes.


 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Jeez, I'd forgotten how much tactical junk they were on. Will do a fair bit of sawing on those under-feet.


Looks like Angel CBFed with that either. Just did the standard PanO base with a rock on.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 08:38:07


Post by: smurfORnot


Really nice looking, not sure whey they went so much overboard with tactical junk...

almost tempted to start PanO MO, nut this link + joan...that's around 200pts for 5 models...yea, which to begin with ain't that great, will be wrecked in cc by specialists, and also outshoot by specialist...so I ma not sure about their role?

If you wanna go HI rute, yu jing does it better, Wu Ming link team for 160pts has better firepower across all bands(ALL FROM HMG, HRL, shotgun,chainrifle,submachine gun), and only -1BS, but you do gain -6 to hacking attempts because of deflector.
You do have better cc, but let's face it, it's not like knight's cc will save you if someone who wants to enter cc enters...for everything else, it's simply more viable too shoot it down.

So why go knights route instead of yu jing?



The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 09:07:18


Post by: PsychoticStorm


The Hospitalers full link is one of the most powerful parts of MO, cheaper with 3 magister for sure, but more robust with full hospitalers.

Got a specialist if the form of the doc, an HMG for intermediate ranges, a killer BS and a decent CC protection with Joan.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 09:35:13


Post by: smurfORnot


But you get better firepower with Wu Ming, cheaper and can add KHD ninja, still be cheaper(get extra order&specialist that starts midfield in TO), and have hacker killing power + same cc capability as with joan in link...


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 10:15:23


Post by: PsychoticStorm


You are talking on a wider army list now not purely as link teams, yes, MO are quite restricted in selection, they more brute force their way to victory.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 13:06:52


Post by: Alpharius


One of them looks like he had his hover board melted into slag while he was riding it...

I like the models though, but that aspect of PanO has never appealed to me.

I'll take ORCs and Jotums!


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 13:41:54


Post by: Kanluwen


 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Jeez, I'd forgotten how much tactical junk they were on. Will do a fair bit of sawing on those under-feet.

Apparently it's the "in" thing for Svalarheima models. We need to know there's mountains there somehow, right?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 14:44:46


Post by: PsychoticStorm


I guess? it was really mentioned as a reason, snow effects ectr...


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 15:19:48


Post by: Red Harvest


 Alpharius wrote:
One of them looks like he had his hover board melted into slag while he was riding it...

I like the models though, but that aspect of PanO has never appealed to me.

I'll take ORCs and Jotums!

These are ORCs all grown up They'll be in the Svalarheim Sectorial. Knights in small numbers are fun units to have on the table. The Montesa for example.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 15:32:54


Post by: Kanluwen


 Red Harvest wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
One of them looks like he had his hover board melted into slag while he was riding it...

I like the models though, but that aspect of PanO has never appealed to me.

I'll take ORCs and Jotums!

These are ORCs all grown up They'll be in the Svalarheim Sectorial. Knights in small numbers are fun units to have on the table. The Montesa for example.

Knights have their own Sectorial. I would personally prefer they keep them there.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 15:33:30


Post by: Red Harvest


Feth no.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 15:34:15


Post by: Kanluwen



Feth yes! It's bad enough that we're going to get Fusiliers jammed in there like we did with NCA.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 15:36:39


Post by: Red Harvest


I happen to like having the Montesa in my ASA. I'm certain to like having Hospitallers in Svalarheim. I also like the Nagas in ASA too. If CB puts something interesting from ALEPH into Svalarheim, it'll probably be good too.

Fusiliers can go die in a hole.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 15:40:49


Post by: Kanluwen


 Red Harvest wrote:
I happen to like having the Montesa in my ASA. I'm certain to like having Hospitallers in Svalarheim. I also like the Nagas in ASA too. If CB puts something interesting from ALEPH into Svalarheim, it'll probably be good too.

The problem is that Hospitalers are going to end up being a crutch for the design team, I can basically guarantee it. They're going to completely screw everything up with regards to any interesting or uniquely Svalarheim units because they had to fit their faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaavoritest Knights and the character to go with them(Joan of Arc) in there.
We won't get ORC Link Teams because "you have Hospitallers!". It's the same garbage reasoning as to why Neoterra, the high tech Sectorial of PanOceania has freaking AVA 3 on ORCs while not having the Duo option that ASA has and why Bolts don't have Haris while the Bagh-Mari do.

"Your Sectorial has too many options that are really good!"
Fusiliers can go die in a hole.

100% agreement.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 16:25:56


Post by: Red Harvest


Well, that is a reasonable concern. However, Jeanne D'Arc, I do not see her in Svalarheim. She seems MO only. CB could very well get lazy about fleshing out Svalarheim and include her, but I think they'll go with a nordic character of some sort instead. More minis to sell. Ogier the Dane would be a good choice.

I see the Hospitallers in the same role as Montesas. AVA 2, Fireteam: Duo and done. There will be linkable ORCs. There will not be a nice HI like the Guarda. ORCs really don't belong is ASA, IMHO.

Sadly, I do see the fusiliers showing up. Svalarheim would be much nicer with its own LI choice. I hope that I'm wrong here. The other sectorials have theirs, Regulars, Order Sergeants, Auxilia. And Fusiliers to Varuna, IIRC.

OTOH, Svalarheim could get shafted because Varuna reasons. >:|

I think that we will learn more during/after Adepticon.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 16:33:26


Post by: PsychoticStorm


When Hospitalers have their HQ fortress monastery set up in Svalarheima from the first fluff of Infinity, explaign to me how they are "Shoved in Svalarheima" it s their planet from the start, before sectorials were even a remote idea.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 16:37:23


Post by: LunarSol


I have to admit, I find what units work in which sectorial very confusing when it comes to PanO.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 16:41:05


Post by: Kanluwen


 Red Harvest wrote:
Well, that is a reasonable concern. However, Jeanne D'Arc, I do not see her in Svalarheim. She seems MO only. CB could very well get lazy about fleshing out Svalarheim and include her, but I think they'll go with a nordic character of some sort instead. More minis to sell. Ogier the Dane would be a good choice.

They said that her being released was to be part of the "Death Star of Doom" and they hinted that it "wouldn't be MO only".

I see the Hospitallers in the same role as Montesas. AVA 2, Fireteam: Duo and done. There will be linkable ORCs. There will not be a nice HI like the Guarda. ORCs really don't belong is ASA, IMHO.

Linkable ORCs in any big numbers are in Varuna. That's the whole reason they didn't release a box yet; they said the box was waiting for Varuna which "has special ORC loadouts".

Sadly, I do see the fusiliers showing up. Svalarheim would be much nicer with its own LI choice. I hope that I'm wrong here. The other sectorials have theirs, Regulars, Order Sergeants, Auxilia. And Fusiliers to Varuna, IIRC.

Fusiliers technically are present everywhere, but the problem is that each world/sectorial is also supposed to have their own flavor of them. Regulars are the leftovers of their Fusiliers from Paradiso. Order Sergeants are made up from citizens of all walks of life(including ex-military) trying to earn resurrection credits by serving as part of the Church's Military Orders. Auxilia are supposed to be their "Fusilier Lite" equivalent but remember that they don't Link so can't really be compared to Fusiliers, Regulars, or Order Sergeants.

OTOH, Svalarheim could get shafted because Varuna reasons. >:|

I think that we will learn more during/after Adepticon.

Ehhh. I hope we don't. We know they basically had us playtesting their Svalarheima list last year. It was less than impressive.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 16:45:13


Post by: Riquende


I have to admit, I find what units work in which sectorial very confusing when it comes to PanO.


The concept is simple enough. Each planet has its own defence force, and any planet that hosts the HQ of a Knightly Order can bring in some of those as well. Some planets host ALEPH units for training or liaison purposes too.

I'm sort of okay now with the idea of Fusiliers and ORCs being the standard line trooper of the PanO military complex and available to all the sectorials as their filler units (not that I use ORCs). Sure it's not all that exciting but they exist as no-frills no-skill units with a bevy of very standardised weaponry which sort of seems like a PanO thing that would be used to supplement local specialised forces.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 17:08:16


Post by: Kanluwen


Edit: I'm gonna go start a thread down in the Infinity section. That place needs some foot traffic, this is as good of a conversation to maybe bring some as any!

Thread started!


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/12 19:05:03


Post by: Knight



Feth yiiis!


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/15 13:57:05


Post by: Red Harvest


Gollum? That you?

A sniper shot of Bit


Maybe we see the complete mini soon.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 13:19:33


Post by: Kanluwen




GMG has a preview video of Bit & KISS!

Eh. Not bad.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 13:48:37


Post by: Alpharius


I boycott all of CB's "Officially Sponsored Videos" on principle.

I'm waiting for pictures..


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 13:57:29


Post by: smurfORnot


So below Kiss says SMG, while actually he has adhesive launcher.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 14:14:09


Post by: Red Harvest


Standard Operating Procedure, mislabelling like that. Nothing to see here. Move along...

Bit looks interesting enough. Hair not so good. Paint Job not so good. The latter may be detracting from the former. Kiss has the right look for a CA remote. Somewhat Largish for a G:Servant. Even for an S2.

Still to come:
-Kuang Shi Box
-Garuda with Boarding Shotgun
-Irmandiños

and the re-packs. We've already seen a new Garuda, so no surprises there. The other two...


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 14:25:35


Post by: Kanluwen


So it looks like "Was she Sepsitorized or not? Was Ko Dali?" is finally answered...

Guerilla Miniatures Gaming wrote:Carlos from CB has sent along another exclusive preview; this time it's the first willing Human Combined Army troopers, Bit&Kiss!



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Kuang Shi got posted to Mayacast's facebook page.

Someone else can rehost & post.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 17:22:57


Post by: Mastiff


KUANG SHI!!!

Finally, they figured out that chain rifles require both hands to carry.

https://mayacast.com/2018/01/16/mayacast-preview-kuang-shi/


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 18:11:50


Post by: Kanluwen





For those who don't want to clickthrough.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 18:14:07


Post by: Barzam


Design-wise, they look largely unchanged. I like that new Yu Jing boarding shotgun design. I hope we see some more units with it.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 19:18:14


Post by: ImAGeek


 Barzam wrote:
Design-wise, they look largely unchanged. I like that new Yu Jing boarding shotgun design. I hope we see some more units with it.


The new Garuda coming in Feb has a redesigned Aleph Boarding Shotgun too.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 19:32:24


Post by: Red Harvest


We'll see that Garuda preview soon enough.

I did not expect to see the Kuang Shi yet. They look functional. I have 300 points of Yu Jing -- the whole Red Veil conspiracy CB hatched. I have yet to play them as a full arm, just the bits an pieces for Red Veil starter scenarios. I cannot see ever using these, and they are not impressive enough to get 'just to paint'. They are a much needed resculpt. Then there are the Keisotsu...

And Kiss is holding the first ever seen Combined Army Adhesive Launcher.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 19:48:14


Post by: .Mikes.


 Kanluwen wrote:

For those who don't want to clickthrough.


Oh the looks like the one on the right is going "I like to singa...... About the moona and the june-a and the springa...."


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 21:24:57


Post by: Ronin_eX


They look serviceable enough, not like the originals were anything amazing. They're fodder, so I'm not looking for much. I just hope the box comes with options so we aren't stuck with a boarding shotgun (or bit scrounging for a replacement).

But aside from that, it will be nice to have them in the right scale next to my CG again. Now they just need to drop a CG SWC box and we'll have the core units for IS in the new scale.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 21:38:52


Post by: PsychoticStorm


To be entirely honest I kinda like the BS as an option, though it is extremely rare they are used as a full offensive link.

it is still BS 20 attacks at 8" and they can blow up in their targets face if they fail.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 23:21:04


Post by: Micky


Bit and Kiss from CB's facebook, with incorrect labels. Bigger images in spoiler.



Spoiler:








The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 23:34:16


Post by: Kanluwen


Gotta say, the quality on Bit's face is not great.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 23:39:16


Post by: Red Harvest


Gotta agree. I think it is the paint job, which is adequate, and I'm being generous here. The hair looks terrible.

Kiss looks good. CB has done well with the EI aesthetic.

 .Mikes. wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:

For those who don't want to clickthrough.


Oh the looks like the one on the right is going "I like to singa...... About the moona and the june-a and the springa...."
They are not under alien control.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/16 23:44:45


Post by: Kanluwen


It's really the eyes that mess it all up. With the 'tattooing' on her face, it looks like she's got super-thin sunglasses or a Geordie LaForge style visor pulled off her nose and riding low.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/17 01:03:29


Post by: plastictrees


It does look like she's peering over reading glasses.
Painting looks like they didn't have the time they usually have, sculpt is decent though besides the above.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/17 01:08:44


Post by: -Loki-


 plastictrees wrote:
Painting looks like they didn't have the time they usually have


This will happen more and more now that Angel has made his own studio and is freelance painting for basically the whole industry.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/17 02:09:02


Post by: PsychoticStorm


There are two painters painting, not sure if Angel painted this one.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/17 02:22:57


Post by: -Loki-


 PsychoticStorm wrote:
There are two painters painting, not sure if Angel painted this one.


Sure, but there were 2 already since they also had Daf painting. But Angel wasn't being sent huge starterkits or promo armies from places like FFG or Wyrd like he is now. That sort of additional workload is going to mean they need to speed up their painting on everything even more, which means eventually there's a quality hit.

We've just seen one on Bit and Kiss. They're good, but they're not up to the usual standard.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/17 02:27:39


Post by: Ronin_eX


 PsychoticStorm wrote:
To be entirely honest I kinda like the BS as an option, though it is extremely rare they are used as a full offensive link.

it is still BS 20 attacks at 8" and they can blow up in their targets face if they fail.


Which is fine if they make it one optional use of the bits, but when buying a box like this I tend to not want to feel like I need a second just to get the options I do use on the regular (or a third if I'm running eight of the blighters in a list). This was the nice thing about the old box, the shotgun was there, but optional. Hopefully this box continues the trend and gives me the choice.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/17 04:34:42


Post by: Bladerunner2019


 Kanluwen wrote:



For those who don't want to clickthrough.


Hope this means we’re getting Celestial Guard box soon as well...


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/17 09:53:42


Post by: smurfORnot


They are okay...old ones were kinda meh, this ones are a bit better but I kinda expected a bit more....too samey, just a bit of scale change more or less.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/17 21:26:37


Post by: Kanluwen



Since I didn't want to link from Bell of Lost Souls...

Irmandhino AND Garuda Tactbot double preview!

Irmandhinos have gained Stealth, hence the blurriness.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/17 21:40:43


Post by: B0B MaRlEy


That irmandinho doesn't wow me, from that blurry pic it seems quite bland. I'm disappointed


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/17 21:50:53


Post by: ImAGeek


Whereas I’m much more impressed with the Irmandinho than I expected.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/17 22:59:29


Post by: Kanluwen


 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
That irmandinho doesn't wow me, from that blurry pic it seems quite bland. I'm disappointed

All honesty: what's he supposed to do? It's a smugglin' dude.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/17 23:08:02


Post by: .Mikes.


A smuggling dude who cna't help but scream and charge headlong at the nearest enemy.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/17 23:08:43


Post by: Kanluwen


 .Mikes. wrote:
A smuggling dude who cna't help but scream and charge headlong at the nearest enemy.

That dude doesn't look like he's screaming and charging headlong at anything.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/17 23:23:55


Post by: .Mikes.


And the new Hospitallers don't look like they're wearing crampons, but here we are.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/18 00:27:53


Post by: Red Harvest


Eh? Hospitallers don't have Special Skills: Mountain Terrain. The Mighty Jotums do.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Since I didn't want to link from Bell of Lost Souls...)
You make the big bucks because of decisions like these

Seriously, good call. That malware infested, ad slinging... If it's true, it cannot violate rule #1?

Chain rifle Irmandiño? Garuda looks almost the mirror image of the Spitfire Garuda. The word one seeks is perezoso.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/18 00:29:16


Post by: Kanluwen


Still think it's stupid as hell that Irmandhinos aren't in all the Ariadnan Sectorials.

They're smugglers. It's known that they work with everyone.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/18 02:01:56


Post by: Micky


Can see them being rolled into Kazaks, and FRRM when they get reworked.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/18 04:00:34


Post by: -Loki-


It only took long enough for my group to basically migrate over to Malifaux, but the Infinity RPG LE arrived today.

These are some high quality books.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/18 05:31:34


Post by: Red Harvest


Modiphius is known for publishing very nice books. Their 2d20 system gets mixed reviews.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/18 07:11:32


Post by: AduroT


I forgot they were doing an rpg. We’d tslked about running one here. I wonder if that’s still got interest or if Starfinder will have already filled that niche.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/18 14:14:32


Post by: Darkjim


 -Loki- wrote:
It only took long enough for my group to basically migrate over to Malifaux, but the Infinity RPG LE arrived today.

These are some high quality books.


Got mine too, they are lovely, I bought primarily for the fluff. Also the first and last time I get my name in a hobby book, I am sure

Now begins the wait for wave 2.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/19 01:27:09


Post by: Ronin_eX


 Darkjim wrote:
 -Loki- wrote:
It only took long enough for my group to basically migrate over to Malifaux, but the Infinity RPG LE arrived today.

These are some high quality books.


Got mine too, they are lovely, I bought primarily for the fluff. Also the first and last time I get my name in a hobby book, I am sure

Now begins the wait for wave 2.


As someone that has backed Mutant Chronicle and Conan, the main bottleneck is always the core book since it has to cram such a wide variety of stuff in there. So long as the whole Gutier bottleneck conundrum is solved (and admittedly that one is a lot harder to get over than it is for Mutant Chronicles and Conan, who likely have dedicated staff on the licensing ends of things for approval) Wave 2 should start chugging along at a decent rate until the point where it feels like you start getting overwhelmed with releases.

Even with the line essentially finished I still haven't red my whole Mutant Chronicles collection and haven't even got past the first Conan supplement before I had another stack of material to pour through.

From the looks of things, the faction supplements are coming along nicely with Ariadna in the final pre-layout stages and another couple coming in right after. The pace on the smaller and more specialized books should be a lot more rapid, especially since they likely have a much better idea of what's going on in Gutier's brain after having to deal with it for so long with the main core book. But even still, chomping at the bit now for the Yu Jing book (even though characters are already written up and we're likely to start the campaign well before it comes around).


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/19 02:34:17


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Well Gutier also greatly cares about Infinity background so, he would not let out stuff that are not right.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/19 20:38:56


Post by: Ronin_eX


 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Well Gutier also greatly cares about Infinity background so, he would not let out stuff that are not right.


Which is all well and good, but when it comes to licensing stuff out, constantly springing new info on them instead of taking the time to write up a setting bible or giving them detailed notes (which is incredibly common for settings that get licensed out) leads to a lot of delays.

There were a few instances where re-writes were called for because of heretofore unknown information that Gutier only informed them about after the documents were sent in for approval.

This is the downside of having absolutely every bit of lore and background floating around in the head of one person and this is the reason that Infinity's delays ended up having it come out after games that started development later than it. It's telling that my Conan stuff arrived before my Infinity stuff, and the former had a pretty exacting pedigree for its background (i.e. no pastiche work, removing "helpful edits" that De Camp inserted, passing everything through Howard scholars for approval, etc.). I'm glad Gutier is being hands on enough that all of this stuff is considered canon, but there are certainly some organizational steps that can be taken to take some of the pressure of of Gutier being a single, massive bottleneck for the whole project.

Detailed setting notes, a setting bible, another person who has been versed in the setting that can do minor approvals. Any two of these would reduce the frequency and number of rewrites necessary when Gutier does an approval pass. Good documentation is really necessary when working with freelancers, they can write to spec, but if they don't have a clear grasp of what that is before writing then you're gonna have a bad time.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/19 21:01:30


Post by: PsychoticStorm


I am guessing it was a growing experience for the IP, a bible must have been formed out of it.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/19 21:01:31


Post by: Red Harvest


A world bible. This sort of thing is a living document. Especially since Gutier is still developing the Infinity milieu.

However, he does represent a single point of failure. CB would do well to get him some help. And make him accept it.

So, we're done for January previews. February brings us a preview for Dire Foes Mission Pack 7: Candy Cloud, with Kandi, er ,Candy, the stripper turned Maya reporter. A downward career move, really. and what else?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/22 12:54:31


Post by: Kanluwen




Hopefully one day Corvus Belli will get things to the point of giving the retailers the correct info from the start. Still a shame that they didn't do a resculpt on the Hacker to repack her with the Boarding Shotgun.

Irmandinhos looks pretty good there.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/22 13:26:31


Post by: Modock


This month's releases are great but Spektr repack is bit of a dick move. Combining an old and a new model.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/22 14:04:08


Post by: Kanluwen





I think the pictures of the Irmandinho are from Facebook so apologies if it doesn't load for everyone...but yeah. Nice sculpt; shame about nobody but the stupid Russians and Vanilla being able to take it.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/22 15:08:20


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Hopefully one day retailers will not leak information ahead of time?

Nah.

Still not that fussed over the Spektr Hacker, love the sculpt despite the old style combi.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/22 15:17:38


Post by: B0B MaRlEy


With proper pics, the irmandinhos doesn't seem so bland, it's growing on me


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/22 15:17:54


Post by: Kanluwen


 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Hopefully one day retailers will not leak information ahead of time?

Nah.

Sure, that's the problem.

Not that Corvus Belli sent the wrong information out to begin with, clearly it's the fault of retailers posting preorders in advance!

Still not that fussed over the Spektr Hacker, love the sculpt despite the old style combi.

The old combi makes it pointless.

Time to buy a couple more Boarding Shotgun Spektrs before I get saddled with a crappy old model. I can make my own Hackers.


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Spoiler:

New Snipershot.

It's a coat. And some Heavy Infantry arms.
Looks like it's something Yu Jing.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/22 17:08:30


Post by: Red Harvest


JSA. Possibly a Shikami, judging by the lack of shoulder pad/pauldron.

https://its.infinitythegame.com/challenge/b4ckd00r-crisis

Banning units? Not wise. not wise at all, even if temporary.

And the Rachel Deckard reference is a bit sad. And possibly an IP violation.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/22 17:26:20


Post by: Knight


I wouldn't mind experimenting with the ban system, however only for generic armies.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/22 18:28:24


Post by: Kanluwen


 Red Harvest wrote:
JSA. Possibly a Shikami, judging by the lack of shoulder pad/pauldron.

https://its.infinitythegame.com/challenge/b4ckd00r-crisis

Banning units? Not wise. not wise at all, even if temporary.

And the Rachel Deckard reference is a bit sad. And possibly an IP violation.

The part that's funniest to me is that there are two factions which would suffer fairly heavily from this(Tohaa and Combined Army) are being made immune to its repercussions, but the Sectorials that would suffer just as much are being forced to tough it out.

So which is it CB? Do you want actual penalties or are you just wanting to penalize players for playing something other than the alien factions?


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 Knight wrote:
I wouldn't mind experimenting with the ban system, however only for generic armies.

The problem with that is that Corvus Belli is terrible at writing rules based on their "narrative".

If they banned a thing from generics, they'd ban it from Sectorials as well.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/22 19:29:28


Post by: Knight


Oh, I don't expect much from them. I am interested in this possibility nonetheless.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/22 19:52:22


Post by: Red Harvest


As part of a narrative campaign, like one of the BoW events it would be intriguing so long as it only affected those who chose to participate, and only within the campaign. This is a part of the ITS, and affects everybody who plays ITS. There is no opt out for players who just want to play their armies in ITS without shenanigans.


Ha. Maybe TOs will not include the scenarios that affect Data Points in their tournaments. The scenarios are:
Decapitation
Transmission Matrix
The Grid
Comms Center
Rescue
Top Secret (coming soon)

I have no idea how popular any of these are ATM. If all factions end up with 0 data points, will all factions -- except tohaa and CA -- lose characters then?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/22 20:19:10


Post by: Knight


Of late they seem to be trying to force narrative play, or trying to prove that narrative play can get along with competitive mindset.

Although I dislike forcing certain mentality on anyone, I can understand for certain rough approach. GW for instance has narrative play, yet almost everyone will choose to go for matched play with various restrictions. Personally, I think people just want to have more balanced games (or idea of them). Narrative games tend to raise an idea/feeling that certain conditions will simply be unfair for a certain side, or trigger an anxiety that someone will simply get left behind due to how the wins - rewards scale as the campaign goes on with each game played.

If all factions end up with 0 data points, will all factions -- except tohaa and CA -- lose characters then?

Amusing idea. If PanO loses Bipandra, will anyone notice or care?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/22 20:36:36


Post by: Kanluwen


 Knight wrote:
Of late they seem to be trying to force narrative play, or trying to prove that narrative play can get along with competitive mindset.

Although I dislike forcing certain mentality on anyone, I can understand for certain rough approach. GW for instance has narrative play, yet almost everyone will choose to go for matched play with various restrictions. Personally, I think people just want to have more balanced games (or idea of them). Narrative games tend to raise an idea/feeling that certain conditions will simply be unfair for a certain side, or trigger an anxiety that someone will simply get left behind due to how the wins - rewards scale as the campaign goes on with each game played.

The difference is that GW has Narrative(campaign), Open(no points used in AoS/Power levels used in 40k), and Matched (Points).

If all factions end up with 0 data points, will all factions -- except tohaa and CA -- lose characters then?

Amusing idea. If PanO loses Bipandra, will anyone notice or care?

Yeah, like they'd pull Bipandra...

More likely, it'd be losing Rao or Singh.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/22 20:54:40


Post by: .Mikes.


Lucky Garuda with its tactical junk.....


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/22 22:51:34


Post by: ImAGeek


I hope the Shikami sniper shot means we’re getting a new JSA starter.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/23 00:44:33


Post by: Bladerunner2019


 ImAGeek wrote:
I hope the Shikami sniper shot means we’re getting a new JSA starter.


Seems unlikely, but we can dream, right?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/23 01:07:14


Post by: Micky


They'd need to resculpt a few more dudes before they could do that.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/23 01:15:56


Post by: Red Harvest


Those keisotsu, a resculpt cannot come soon enough.

 Knight wrote:
If PanO loses Bipandra, will anyone notice or care?
Well, yes. Bipandra is part of the Holy Trinity of Pan-O disgruntlement, along with Bolts and no smoke.
I have the mini. It's been an Acontecimento Regular paramedic, an indigo spec op, and a trauma doc. It's never been Bipandra.

Kirpal Singh is not what he used to be. He used to be fan-frickin'-tastic. Now, he's merely good. His martial arts stuff is just weird. Rao was a cheap Lt and a way to get a 5 man Bagh Mari link. His WIP 14 is nice. Makes him the obvious Lt, but it's nice.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/23 01:36:33


Post by: Monkeysloth


Just a heads up there will be Bostria presentation at the Las Vegas Open this Saturday evening. Not sure if it's being streamed but I'm planning on being there.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/23 01:46:11


Post by: Alpharius


Excellent!

We'll look forward to your report too!


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/23 06:04:38


Post by: ImAGeek


 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
I hope the Shikami sniper shot means we’re getting a new JSA starter.


Seems unlikely, but we can dream, right?


It doesn’t seem that unlikely, really. It’s one of the few that needs redoing now, and they do resculpt them fairly often (it wasn’t long ago we got the Hassassin and Caledonian ones, plus the Al Hawwa repack means we’re probably gonna get a Qapu Khalqi one at some point as the hacker one is in there).


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/23 08:58:03


Post by: AduroT


I always used Bipandra as my paramedic for that base infantry unit whose name I’m drawing a blank on at the moment.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/23 09:15:43


Post by: Cannibal


Those knights have stone stilts!


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/24 23:34:38


Post by: Bladerunner2019


 Cannibal wrote:
Those knights have stone stilts!


It’s really a shame. They’re great minis. I don’t see why they need the elevator shoes. HI minis are already too big.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/25 12:10:39


Post by: Kanluwen


 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
 Cannibal wrote:
Those knights have stone stilts!


It’s really a shame. They’re great minis. I don’t see why they need the elevator shoes. HI minis are already too big.

Because otherwise how will you know they're from Svalarheim?!

It's not like the Nisse have anything to tie them to their home. They're correcting an error!


Anyways, preorders are up at The Warstore if anyone's interested. There's a coupon live on their Facebook page too.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/25 17:44:20


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Well they could always give them trench-coats.... to tie them in...

Yes, not that fond of the rocks, but not that bad either, I will see if I convert them.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/27 04:46:27


Post by: Bladerunner2019


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
 Cannibal wrote:
Those knights have stone stilts!


It’s really a shame. They’re great minis. I don’t see why they need the elevator shoes. HI minis are already too big.

Because otherwise how will you know they're from Svalarheim?!

It's not like the Nisse have anything to tie them to their home. They're correcting an error!


Anyways, preorders are up at The Warstore if anyone's interested. There's a coupon live on their Facebook page too.


Putting snow on the bases used to be good enough...


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 02:07:36


Post by: Monkeysloth


They are starting to set up the seminar should be in the next 30-60 min. Depends on how long the next set of games last.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
24 character for aristeia by end of year.

Steampunk parvati is next metal aristeia alt figure.

Gencon le will be a figure that's useable in both games.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
5 new armies this year. Army packs and battle packs (ice storm style) this year as well. Druze doesn't count as part of the 5.


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More non aligned armies this year as well


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Outrage figs being added to non aligned


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New book in first half of 2018 with big surprises. Expect teaser before adepticon.


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Thinner book the past ones.


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New dire box. All profiles and missions for dire foes in new book.


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There's a story for the year. Starts at Rumble (big us tourny)


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 04:32:56


Post by: -Loki-


 Monkeysloth wrote:
New book in first half of 2018 with big surprises. Expect teaser before adepticon.

Thinner book the past ones.


About time. But 2 years to produce a book with less content? Guess those 'surprises' might be some gameplay shakeups that took extra time to develop.

Bostria did a pre recorded video seminar for Cancon (Australias biggest convention with its biggest Infinity tournament). So we should get some tidbits from there too.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 04:36:17


Post by: Monkeysloth


Kurgat engineer
Power is represented by tatical rocks. Stronger the unit, more rocks\size.
De Fresen
New Orcs with varuna


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Australian seminar is same as the Vegas one.


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Sounds like they're going with smaller and more frequent books.

New blackjack with hmg.


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Expect more realistic weapon designs to come in and replace old ones.

New shikami with multiple heads and arms. Expect more modles to start comming with extra parts.

New asawira spitfire.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
New clockmakers

Sad tohaas. No no figs this year.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Wardriver

Candy cloud dire foes 7 march release. Usariadna grunt speckop. Ca nexus spec op.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
The dire foes box has the start of the 2018 story.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 04:49:25


Post by: -Loki-


 Monkeysloth wrote:
Expect more realistic weapon designs to come in and replace old ones.


Guess they need another reason to start resculpting everything again.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 04:50:00


Post by: Red Harvest


Asawira Spitfire. Good. No. Excellent.

I think the book took so long due to play-testing the new sectorials and the scenarios for Paradiso. Thin sounds good. It means not many new rules. Yay.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 04:50:09


Post by: Monkeysloth


Official photos within the week.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
New army in may, march, gencon, Nov. One will be an ice storm style box.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Exra aren't planned any time before 2022 if ever.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Books is targeted for early summer. Maybe May.


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2018 goal is to get people to by new armies and move away from old ones. Don't read this as old armys bad, just something they think will show a success of what they're working on.

Female brawler, druze, is book preorder.


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Tohaa is taking a while since its a lot of new exalted creatues and they didn't have the band with for them and all new armies.


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No new manga as the artist is now too popular for them to schedule. Hopefully next year.


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That's it folks.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 05:20:15


Post by: Absolutionis


I'm not sure if you've posted the pictures and they just went blank, but I'm not seeing any images. Thankfully, I can see them in the WGCInfinity Facebook Group.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 05:28:32


Post by: Monkeysloth


I didn't take any pics. My battery was near dead. I saw other taking them and new they would end up here shortly.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 05:28:49


Post by: Red Harvest


Upcoming releases Feb teasers/March release:

- Dire Foes 7: Grunt Spec Op v Nexus Spec Op
- Shikami with Contender
- Asawira with Spitfire
- Blackjack with AP HMG
- Kurgat with Boarding Shotgun
- Nisses repack. (The HMG and Hacker)

Some photos here, https://www.facebook.com/groups/WGCInfinity/ and a bit of the seminar.
Here's the Asawira. Nice. I wonder if it will be Janissary big.

Photo taken by Allen Emlet. Credit where due.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 05:32:21


Post by: SlaveToDorkness


Damn, the thing I most wanted from that list and I like the old one better.


Sigh


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 05:45:55


Post by: Red Harvest


Hey Monkeysloth, thanks for posting the details.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 06:13:49


Post by: -Loki-


Really like that Asawira.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 06:47:58


Post by: Monkeysloth


 Red Harvest wrote:
Hey Monkeysloth, thanks for posting the details.


You're welcome.

The two most applauded for sculpts where the new Alt sculpt for A! and the HMG blackjack. Though the dire foes box was a close third.

Those that hate tactical X in the sculpts will hate 2018.

Lets see, some other comments from it. There's very little, if anything, planned for existing armies this year so we'll probably see less resculpts unless they are part of a new sectorial release. They want releases to make sense narrative wise so if you follow the story you might be able to guess what's coming out. Almost everything coming out this year will be in the new book including all the new armies. They're wanting good amount of figures or each army this year as well as unaligned. But unaligned will be more of a mix of existing things.

We might see Hannibal from A! in Infinity.



The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 07:16:09


Post by: Knight


2018 goal is to get people to by new armies and move away from old ones. Don't read this as old armys bad, just something they think will show a success of what they're working on.


I have no idea what this means.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 07:58:45


Post by: Lanlaorn


They want you to buy the new models they're going to make, but he reassures you that it won't be because the old models will be bad in comparison but that the new stuff will be so cool it'll be successful?

I dunno seems pretty clear.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 08:04:36


Post by: -Loki-


 Knight wrote:
2018 goal is to get people to by new armies and move away from old ones. Don't read this as old armys bad, just something they think will show a success of what they're working on.


I have no idea what this means.


It means they want you to buy into the new sectorials, thus making a few larger purchases, rather than sitting on your current army making a couple of small purchases. By only releasing things for the new sectorials, and not for existing sectorials, it means if you're someone who chases new releases (like, you have everything you currently want and are waiting on new releases to see if anything tickles you), you'll be tempted into starting a new sectorial and buying big.

They're not doing the GW thing where they're making these sectorials flat out better (even the idea of a thinner book means less rules, so less new abilities and weapons to spread around, so there will be little in the way of power creep because of new stuff), they're doing it by just not releasing new models for what you already have and are focusing almost completely on releasing models for the new sectorials.

So basically if you're getting a bit bored of your current collection and are hoping for something new this year, that something new will be a whole new sectorial rather than a few blisters/boxes to expand your current collection. Those sectorials are effectively 'done'.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 08:57:20


Post by: Monkeysloth


Pretty much what loki said except that the existing armies are done done. More they want to focus on new things instead of updating old as the question poised to Carlos was will we see existing armies rebalanced and updated looks this year.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 09:22:26


Post by: plastictrees


Weird direction.
I've replaced pretty much all my Haqq with new models, and all my Morats.
I've not picked up existing factions because they have 'old minis that I expected to be replaced sooner than later.
Revising an old and tired faction (from a mini perspective) is as likely to get my money as a new faction entirely.
I'd imagine this means that sales were down a bit this last year and they want to shake things up a bit?
The new book will kick start things again regardless of what they choose to do or not do with miniature releases.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 10:00:16


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Love that Zoe.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 10:05:37


Post by: Kanluwen


I didn't think they could make a Grunt Intel model I wouldn't like...but they did. Really not a fan of the whole "riot helmet" look. Pose is also a bit "meh".

Not sure how to feel about the Blackjack. Why couldn't he just have had the HMG up and leveled? Why did he need to have his pistol out and the barrel of the HMG in the dirt?

New Zoe & Pi-Well look nice.
Wardriver dossier is...interesting.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Monkeysloth wrote:
Pretty much what loki said except that the existing armies are done done. More they want to focus on new things instead of updating old as the question poised to Carlos was will we see existing armies rebalanced and updated looks this year.

This is something that has always concerned me with Infinity. With every new book that has come out, new skills and weapons came out--many of which never would get put into older units even if they made perfect sense.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 10:22:40


Post by: Knight


So basically if you're getting a bit bored of your current collection and are hoping for something new this year, that something new will be a whole new sectorial rather than a few blisters/boxes to expand your current collection. Those sectorials are effectively 'done'.


That's nice. I had focused on other projects, while only keeping an eye on Infinity, should my current army get anything new. Thanks.



The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 11:06:19


Post by: -Loki-


 Knight wrote:
So basically if you're getting a bit bored of your current collection and are hoping for something new this year, that something new will be a whole new sectorial rather than a few blisters/boxes to expand your current collection. Those sectorials are effectively 'done'.


That's nice. I had focused on other projects, while only keeping an eye on Infinity, should my current army get anything new. Thanks.



Pretty much the boat I'm in. I'm not going to branch out of Haqqislam to keep the collection manageable along with the other games I play. So if one of the 5 isn't Ramah Taskforce, then I guess I just concentrate on other games. If it is, I'll see what they bring to the table.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 11:07:30


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Actually this time the gun rests on the bipod, so not that bad, I really like the riot helmet, but I can see why people would not like it.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 11:15:07


Post by: Vain


My main problem with the Female Spec Op is...that it looks entirely too much like the Male one. Just a lady with a different weapon.
You got the foot up on a box (or rock for the LE one) holding a gun.
I still like her but that is the only thing that stops me being over the moon.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 12:20:03


Post by: SeanDrake


So taking from that if your current army has gimpy rules feth you buy another one.
If your current army consists of midgets and naff sculpts then feth you buy another one.
You play Tohaa then double feth you.

CB are certainly making it easy not to buy stuff off them.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 12:53:16


Post by: Kanluwen


 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Actually this time the gun rests on the bipod, so not that bad

Bipods aren't for resting the barrel of a gun on the ground.
The more I think about it, the more it annoys me that we get a second Shikami with alternate arm+head options--but we can't even get a Blackjack, a model which is at least 2-3x the price of the Shikami, with alternate arm options?

Because if that were one of two arm options, with one set of arms firing the gun two handed and the other being him with the HMG and Heavy Pistol out--no beef. It's a Blackjack in a kind of weirdly questionable 'at rest' pose.

As it stands? We just get...this:
Spoiler:

, I really like the riot helmet, but I can see why people would not like it.

Because it looks awful? Because it looks like a Merovingian model instead of USARF?

We have some cool helmet designs with USARF. The Marauder helmet would have been a better fit for the SpecOps if they wanted to do something that wasn't just the normal Grunt helmet. The Blackjack helmet could have been done as well.

Instead, we get reused Loup-Garou assets.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 13:26:26


Post by: Vain


 Kanluwen wrote:
Bipods aren't for resting the barrel of a gun on the ground.
The more I think about it, the more it annoys me that we get a second Shikami with alternate arm+head options--but we can't even get a Blackjack, a model which is at least 2-3x the price of the Shikami, with alternate arm options?

Because if that were one of two arm options, with one set of arms firing the gun two handed and the other being him with the HMG and Heavy Pistol out--no beef. It's a Blackjack in a kind of weirdly questionable 'at rest' pose.

As it stands? We just get...this:
Spoiler:


To be fair, the Shikami (with arm/head options included) is going to be about 3/4 of the metal used for the Blackjack arm and HMG.

I am not expecting TAGs and TAG like things (the BJ is a HI but it is a mini-TAG deathtrap in my heart) to have alternate things, even if the Nomads got one recently.
Colour me happy if I get an extra head or two with a different arm option in a unit box. The Shikami has me spoilt for choice and while I hope this trend continues, I don't feel CB are obligated to do so.

Do I want more stuff in my boxes and blisters for no extra cost? Heck yeah.
Will I boycott if I don't get them? Nope.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 13:37:39


Post by: Kanluwen


 Vain wrote:

To be fair, the Shikami (with arm/head options included) is going to be about 3/4 of the metal used for the Blackjack arm and HMG.

Have you built a Blackjack?

It's not solid metal. The main body is hollow. The arms are cast as single solid pieces.
All you'd need would be an alternate arm set.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 19:55:37


Post by: .Mikes.


SeanDrake wrote:
So taking from that if your current army has gimpy rules feth you buy another one.
If your current army consists of midgets and naff sculpts then feth you buy another one.


Yeah, that's entirely not what's happening.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 21:26:29


Post by: Henshini


No Tohaaa at all this year? They could at least release a Taquel to finish the line.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 21:45:53


Post by: Chairman Aeon


 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Damn, the thing I most wanted from that list and I like the old one better.


Sigh


Pretty much sums up my thoughts on Zoe & Pi-Well.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 21:56:05


Post by: PsychoticStorm


 Kanluwen wrote:

It's not solid metal. The main body is hollow. The arms are cast as single solid pieces.
All you'd need would be an alternate arm set.


So yes, the solid pieces are the ones that would be alternative. You may have a sikami worth metal in each arm, a mould space definitely.

I don'r know her backstory it might be a loup garou helmet, it might not be who knows, definitely it is not a reused asset though, Loup Garous have not been sculpted digitally.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 22:31:17


Post by: SeanDrake


 .Mikes. wrote:
SeanDrake wrote:
So taking from that if your current army has gimpy rules feth you buy another one.
If your current army consists of midgets and naff sculpts then feth you buy another one.


Yeah, that's entirely not what's happening.


Just C&P the following to avoid giant pyramid.

"Pretty much what loki said except that the existing armies are done done."

"2018 goal is to get people to by new armies and move away from old ones."

"There's very little, if anything, planned for existing armies this year"

"Almost everything coming out this year will be in the new book including all the new armies."

"they want to focus on new things instead of updating old as the question poised to Carlos was will we see existing armies rebalanced and updated looks this year."

"By only releasing things for the new sectorials, and not for existing sectorials."

Not seeing any ambiguity there, other than saying to people with a current army " feth off peasant no more blisters for you free loaders buy a whole army or come back when you can" they could not be any clearer. If you want support and new stuff then buy a new army if not go play something else, there more or less even confirming they are ruling out all the current factions from the fluff."They want releases to make sense narrative wise so if you follow the story you might be able to guess what's coming out. Almost everything coming out this year will be in the new book including all the new armies."

So back to my first post is there anything CB themselves have said that refutes my comments?.

Also poor Tohaa they have been Sister of Battled which is a little like being squatted but the company not having the balls to say so.

"Tohaa is taking a while since its a lot of new exalted creatues and they didn't have the bandwith" That takes pretty big brass balls to say after announcing 5 totally new armies plus Druze and a load of Arrista stuff at the same time.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 23:28:49


Post by: -Loki-


Nothing is happening with 'gimpy' rules. The new book is thinner, which implies it's got less new rules than we got in the core N3 rulebook and HSN3. It's also a lot of scenarios, as it includes reworked Paradiso scenarios. So expect new rules to be pretty light, just like the original Paradiso release.

The main issues are, again, Corvus Belli are pretty terrible at communicating this well and the fanatic peat is always happy to start complaining.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/28 23:39:46


Post by: Kanluwen


 -Loki- wrote:
Nothing is happening with 'gimpy' rules. The new book is thinner, which implies it's got less new rules than we got in the core N3 rulebook and HSN3. It's also a lot of scenarios, as it includes reworked Paradiso scenarios. So expect new rules to be pretty light, just like the original Paradiso release.

The main issues are, again, Corvus Belli are pretty terrible at communicating this well and the fanatic peat is always happy to start complaining.

To be fair, "the fanatic peat" has ample reason to be distrustful of CB. It's not just poor communication, it's also poor actions.

See any repacks of aged models with a new model to try to drive sales up.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 01:26:59


Post by: LunarSol


 Kanluwen wrote:

To be fair, "the fanatic peat" has ample reason to be distrustful of CB. It's not just poor communication, it's also poor actions.

See any repacks of aged models with a new model to try to drive sales up.


This is by far the most monstrous action of a minis company in the last 30 years.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 02:15:59


Post by: Red Harvest


Indeed. Monstrous. Someone should write a letter to the Times.

That new army box, well "battle pack" that Bostria mentioned will be Ariadna versus a Combined Army faction. These are the only factions left for "battle pack"s. So, we will get a new starter for Ariadna, and it will probably double as the Kazak starter ( like the Haqq starter doubles as the Ramah starter) and the only CA faction left in need of a resculpt is the Shasvastii, so that must be the starter for the CA.

So much for no new sculpts for old armies

The lack of any Tohaa releases is not good.

So with the Paradiso book coming, are the Merovingians still going to be in it, or have they been postponed. Clearly, the Shasvastii will make an appearance.

The Loup-Garou helmet is silly on that Spec-OP.

Five new armies-- Varuna, Tunguska, something Non-Aligned -- maybe O-12? --, and Vedic? Invincible Army? Ramah? Kazak? Were there any hints?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 02:23:16


Post by: Micky


 Red Harvest wrote:

That new army box, well "battle pack" that Bostria mentioned will be Ariadna versus a Combined Army faction. These are the only factions left for "battle pack"s.


Uh.. Aleph and Tohaa would like a word with you out back.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 02:30:30


Post by: Red Harvest


CB has said that they consider those two factions 'advanced' and they won't be in a battle pack. That what I meant when I said only factions left for the battle pack. I could have been clearer. Ah well.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 02:35:09


Post by: Micky


It gets a little awkward here because if they were going to do a Combined force in a two player pack like that it would need to not be Onyx given that comes in its own box (and i don't see them doubling up).

So that means it would likely be a new CA force? Or at least, a generic CA force that will eventually be the core of a new sectorial?


Ariadna one obviously would be Kazaks.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 02:47:46


Post by: -Loki-


 Micky wrote:
It gets a little awkward here because if they were going to do a Combined force in a two player pack like that it would need to not be Onyx given that comes in its own box (and i don't see them doubling up).

So that means it would likely be a new CA force? Or at least, a generic CA force that will eventually be the core of a new sectorial?


Ariadna one obviously would be Kazaks.


Kazak vs Shasvastii would be neat.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 04:41:15


Post by: .Mikes.


Am I the only one who doesn't want a Kazak sectorial? Well, not *not* want, but I can field an viable Kazak force as is. I'd rather MRRF get some love first.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 05:03:30


Post by: Monkeysloth


SeanDrake wrote:
 .Mikes. wrote:
SeanDrake wrote:
So taking from that if your current army has gimpy rules feth you buy another one.
If your current army consists of midgets and naff sculpts then feth you buy another one.


Yeah, that's entirely not what's happening.


Just C&P the following to avoid giant pyramid.

"Pretty much what loki said except that the existing armies are done done."


This, out of context looks, bad and want to point that out. The existing armies aren't done, just not being updated this year. As with Tohaa they don't have the manpower to release the unaligned stuff + 5 new armies as well as keep all 9 factions and existing sectorial up with new stuff. And they really want to get those 5 out (I suspect because of the long delay for them).

The comments of wanting people to move on to new armies, if you watch the video, is more CB really wanting people to love the new armies and get excited. Yes Loki nailed a lots of the other stuff around that with his previous post but it's not anything nefarious. They've already got USAriadna stuf coming out this year. To be honest I'm kind of glad as I'm tired of so many resculpts even though there are some in my main army (JSA) that could use it. Sure they could have a better balance but it is what it is.

 Micky wrote:
 Red Harvest wrote:

That new army box, well "battle pack" that Bostria mentioned will be Ariadna versus a Combined Army faction. These are the only factions left for "battle pack"s.


I don't know if they've ever stated they wouldn't reuse factions in battle packs so it may not be CA vs Ariadna.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Monkeysloth wrote:
Pretty much what loki said except that the existing armies are done done. More they want to focus on new things instead of updating old as the question poised to Carlos was will we see existing armies rebalanced and updated looks this year.

This is something that has always concerned me with Infinity. With every new book that has come out, new skills and weapons came out--many of which never would get put into older units even if they made perfect sense.


Agreed, it's something that should have been a follow up question in the Q&A, what they really feel their responsibility to rebalance figures should be, and I didn't think of it until after it was over (I didn't ask the original question)


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 -Loki- wrote:
Nothing is happening with 'gimpy' rules. The new book is thinner, which implies it's got less new rules than we got in the core N3 rulebook and HSN3. It's also a lot of scenarios, as it includes reworked Paradiso scenarios. So expect new rules to be pretty light, just like the original Paradiso release.

The main issues are, again, Corvus Belli are pretty terrible at communicating this well and the fanatic peat is always happy to start complaining.


I'm going to point out we don't know if this is the Paridisio rework. All we have confirmed is 5 new armies, unaligned armies, outrage box (in unaligned) and all the Dire Foes missions and units. It would make sense due to the spec ops in Dire foes but nothing relating to Paradisio or the campaign system was mentioned (nor was it asked by anyone),


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 08:18:35


Post by: smurfORnot


I still don't get how they decide to resculpt stuff, some models are still 1st gen, while other ones are 3rd gen. So instead of focusing to resculpt like really old stuff, they decide, well, let's resculpt something that looks good AGAIN.

So glad I only got starter for USAriadna and didn't venture deeper into it, man, talking about boring sectorial&models...

shikami options are nice, but then again, it's price is not really that nice for single model. around 22pounds for 2 models...yea, call me not excited. Suddenly those new knight for 29pounds(which is a lot for a box of only 4 models) are not that expensive.

Customization is nice, but if you are gonna charge arm and leg for it...I would have rather bough new 2 model pack for few pounds more and get extra model rather than extra head tbh...


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 10:04:59


Post by: .Mikes.


Surprised no one has posted this yet:



The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 10:27:33


Post by: Vain


Would you like a prettier version?



Here is Rosie as well
Spoiler:




The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 10:51:20


Post by: smurfORnot


Rosies helmet is meh. Not thrilled with this design at all, not sure why she has 'motorcycle' helmet.

Also, not sure why go with hand held hmg blackjack when previous one has shoulder mounted sniper. Why this HMG has bipod? Makes no sense. You don't give bipod to hand held hmg, which you would want to have, but at same time, you give bipod to exo skeleton who doesn't care much about recoil


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 12:02:34


Post by: BrookM


I think that's a riot helmet.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 12:41:32


Post by: Kanluwen


Just finished watching the Cancon video.
Bostria claims that the Grunt Intel is 'based off of Rosie the Riveter'...meeeeeeeeeh.

There was also a lot of questions about Australian based units to which he said there will be a new Varunan unit that "has its history in Australian military history". Also makes a mention of an Australian themed/fluffed mercenary unit at some point.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 13:38:20


Post by: BrookM


Soooooo, a merc / unit with large knives, bush hats and a special rule called "Ooooooooooooi witch!"


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 13:53:19


Post by: Kanluwen


 BrookM wrote:
Soooooo, a merc / unit with large knives, bush hats and a special rule called "Ooooooooooooi witch!"

If I had to guess, it'll be something to do with Gallipoli.
The hinting was that the PanO unit would have something to do with "Australia's military history" and I just can't think of too much aside from Gallipoli that really tickles that box.

The mercenary unit, I'm guessing here, is going to be part of "Van Orton Military Contracts"--which is an entity we've had in the fluff for awhile but no gameplay representation.
Guessing there it would be some kind of unit of ex-Neoterran military types(Bolts are based in Darwin on Neoterra IIRC) as a private military corp.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 16:59:50


Post by: Red Harvest


Think Kokoda Trail. It, as a jungle campaign fits better with Paradiso.

And yes, Aussies, General MacArthur was a piece of crap.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 17:03:29


Post by: Kanluwen


 Red Harvest wrote:
Think Kokoda pass It, as a jungle campaign fits better with Paradiso.

And yes, Aussies, General MacArthur was a piece of crap..

It's important to remember that whether it "fits" or not, it's a way for CB to show off they know your country's history better than you do.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 18:08:19


Post by: Barzam


Are there any pics of the Kurgat render? The shotty Kurgat is a profile I've been wanting a model of for a while.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 18:14:14


Post by: Kanluwen


There is but it's on the official forums and you have to sign in to view it full-size; so I can't just snag it like I used to.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 18:20:13


Post by: Red Harvest


Here:

It would appear that he is pounding something. Perhaps replace that sword with a femur bone.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 18:37:16


Post by: Barzam


Thanks for posting that, Red Harvest.

Gotta say, that pose is seriously disappointing. He's one of my more anticipated models and this is the pose they wound up going with? If he wrre standing, it would at least look like he's about to slice a dude's head off. But this? What the hell is he doing?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 18:52:06


Post by: bantha_beast


 Red Harvest wrote:
Here:
Spoiler:

It would appear that he is pounding something. Perhaps replace that sword with a femur bone.


Thats what i thought as well. Waiting for the uproar when he has a tactical monolith on his base!


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 19:38:04


Post by: LunarSol


The constant "Coming Soon! A Punch in the Face!" ads are kind of bizarre at this point. Should I be flinching? I can't tell what kind of hype I'm supposed to be feeling at this point.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 20:59:33


Post by: Ronin_eX


 Monkeysloth wrote:
Expect more realistic weapon designs to come in and replace old ones.


I mean, as much as we make fun of PanO's combis, was another weapon look rework really needed? The weapons are fine and it will be jarring to have possibly more variation in my collection going forward.

New shikami with multiple heads and arms. Expect more modles to start comming with extra parts.


This is good, this should be the standard for things. Drip feeding out single unit profiles or boxes with only one of each loadout isn't working for this game anymore. Less SKU's with more ability to vary their looks and loadouts should be what CB are looking to do these days.

5 new armies this year. Army packs and battle packs (ice storm style) this year as well. Druze doesn't count as part of the 5.


This is good, I honestly like that they seem to be moving toward individual army releases at this stage. When starting up the all-in-one approach works great, but as the game's scope balloons out it becomes harder to do total revisions and all-inclusives rules every single time. It was my hope that N3 would see them adopt a more agile release schedule, but they sort of fumbled the ball out of the gate. But now they seem to be getting back on track again.

New book in first half of 2018 with big surprises. Expect teaser before adepticon.


About time, hopefully this one gets a better editing pass than the original.

Thinner book the past ones.


If it weren't for the fact that the books always take 2+ years to release I may not have batted an eyelash at this. But CB's book output is pretty atrocious, that this one will be thinner isn't in itself a bad thing (because we do [b]not[/i] need even more rules bloat), but that it took the same amount of time to release as the larger books is pretty crappy.

Sounds like they're going with smaller and more frequent books.


They've said this before, and they've been wrong. Paradiso (the original) was supposed to be smaller (and it was) and less rules heavy (and it was) in order to improve its turnaround (it didn't). If they could stick to a production schedule and keep scope creep from making them overshoot their release windows, then I'd believe 'em. But for now, I'll believe a new book from CB in less than two years when I see it.

Oh well, at least I'm finally getting the Invincible Army some time this year. That'll be nice.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 21:53:05


Post by: Micky


So are we expecting Campaign: Dawn to be rules light, just scenarios and spec-ops rules and no new units?

Or are we expecting just the rules and no fluff?

Kinda think Bostria's comment could be taken to mean either.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 22:21:37


Post by: plastictrees


We really don't _need_ more rules. I'd be very happy with scenarios, sectorials etc.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 22:24:16


Post by: dulydude


 Micky wrote:
So are we expecting Campaign: Dawn to be rules light, just scenarios and spec-ops rules and no new units?

Or are we expecting just the rules and no fluff?

Kinda think Bostria's comment could be taken to mean either.


I'm going to read it as a campaign with any rules added that are not in N3 or HSN3, plus based on the Cancon seminar (that's on facebook https://www.facebook.com/benandmarty/videos/1869420413349985/) all the dire foes, probably any units not in N3/HSN3
Fluff wise he did say that it would include the dire foes fluff, and will advance the time line of the story


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 22:55:33


Post by: Red Harvest


New sectorials, along with the background for them should be in the next book too. There will probably be a few new units for these sectorials.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/29 23:01:21


Post by: .Mikes.


Carlos did stress that these new sectorials will have models. Whether or not that means new models, I don't know.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 05:25:43


Post by: jake


Oh no! That Kurgat looks awful. I've been waiting for new Kurgats for years, but this just looks ridiculous. What is it possibly doing? Can anyone come up with a plausible explanation? Is it parrying someone else's attack? With its weird head angle I'm having trouble imagining even being able to swap the arms for something else to create a believable pose.

Also, I wish they'd stop giving giant close combat weapons to Mortas with no close combat skill. Theres no reason a Kurgat should be holding a weapon like that.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 06:17:08


Post by: SlaveToDorkness


 plastictrees wrote:
We really don't _need_ more rules. I'd be very happy with scenarios, sectorials etc.


This guy, this fing guy right here, CB. Listen to him.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 07:05:04


Post by: .Mikes.


"How does the Discover rule work?"
"Oh, that's easy. First your measure the distance, then take into account any cover, and it's a roll against the WIP, unless your have MSV, then you read the rules for those - they have different levels and one is a lie - . If it's your active turn then you have to hop on one leg and recite Pi in reverse from the 13th prime, unless the month has an R in it, then you have to you have to check with the nearest Town Crier to see if the maiden has wed yet, and if so were the prophecies true. Of course if you're in the reactive turn then it gets complicated."


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 08:40:01


Post by: smurfORnot


 jake wrote:
Oh no! That Kurgat looks awful. I've been waiting for new Kurgats for years, but this just looks ridiculous. What is it possibly doing? Can anyone come up with a plausible explanation? Is it parrying someone else's attack? With its weird head angle I'm having trouble imagining even being able to swap the arms for something else to create a believable pose.

Also, I wish they'd stop giving giant close combat weapons to Mortas with no close combat skill. Theres no reason a Kurgat should be holding a weapon like that.


But it's okay to give em to TAG's

BUt really, things are kinda starting to look like 40k with all those cc weapons around. We just have to wait till we get chainsaws.



btw. who thinks that we can expect what kinda happened to 40k in 7th? So much special rules, it's almost unberable to try and keep up with it, constatnt releases, constant new special rules, weapons etc. Infinity already has way too much situations where you simply are not sure how to proceed, who this rule interacts with that etc. Especially if you don't play it regularly.


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 .Mikes. wrote:
"How does the Discover rule work?"
"Oh, that's easy. First your measure the distance, then take into account any cover, and it's a roll against the WIP, unless your have MSV, then you read the rules for those - they have different levels and one is a lie - . If it's your active turn then you have to hop on one leg and recite Pi in reverse from the 13th prime, unless the month has an R in it, then you have to you have to check with the nearest Town Crier to see if the maiden has wed yet, and if so were the prophecies true. Of course if you're in the reactive turn then it gets complicated."


But remember that you can only do it once, and if it fails it fails. But maybe you want to delay if reactive, or do you? But if it's a mine, even though you can see silouethe and discover it, once you discover it you can't really shoot it if's is't behind small wall since it's size 0 when discovered etc etc.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 09:40:43


Post by: PsychoticStorm


40k 7th had how many hundred models on the table? and how many special rules?

Infinity is a tactical skirmish wargame game not a mass battle strategic wargame that does not want to leave its skirmish roots it has abandoned 20 years now.

And discover is simple, WIP roll plus minus modifiers, a model can attempt to do it only once per player turn, why you try to make it anything more complicated than it is?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 10:18:58


Post by: smurfORnot


 PsychoticStorm wrote:
40k 7th had how many hundred models on the table? and how many special rules?

Infinity is a tactical skirmish wargame game not a mass battle strategic wargame that does not want to leave its skirmish roots it has abandoned 20 years now.

And discover is simple, WIP roll plus minus modifiers, a model can attempt to do it only once per player turn, why you try to make it anything more complicated than it is?


It's not like you have 10 model unit where everyone has his own set of rules¸and stats. In infinity you can have 15 models easily, each with it's own stats, rules etc.

In 40k you probably won't have 15 different units on table. I find 40k less complicated than infinity. And with far less situations where one has to google how this rule interacts with that one.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 11:01:17


Post by: DarkBlack


It's kinda impressive how people can find things to moan about.

plastictrees wrote:We really don't _need_ more rules. I'd be very happy with scenarios, sectorials etc.

Yes, this.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 12:17:45


Post by: AndrewGPaul


 smurfORnot wrote:
 jake wrote:
Oh no! That Kurgat looks awful. I've been waiting for new Kurgats for years, but this just looks ridiculous. What is it possibly doing? Can anyone come up with a plausible explanation? Is it parrying someone else's attack? With its weird head angle I'm having trouble imagining even being able to swap the arms for something else to create a believable pose.

Also, I wish they'd stop giving giant close combat weapons to Mortas with no close combat skill. Theres no reason a Kurgat should be holding a weapon like that.


But it's okay to give em to TAG's

BUt really, things are kinda starting to look like 40k with all those cc weapons around. We just have to wait till we get chainsaws.


To be fair, it's starting to look like anime - it's not just ex-punks in Nottingham who think that giant robots look better with flaming swords.
I'm not keen on the rules expansion/bloat (delete as applicable); I never really bothered with hackers, FOs and the like in 2nd edition because I couldn't keep track of the various options, and then 3rd ed added more (and HS3 added more again!). At first, I preferred Infinity to Warmachine or Malifaux because the special rules were collected in the main rules, not scattered across the units, but now it feels like there's so many different rules - some of which are only on two or three units - that I'm lost anyway. I've only played one game of Infinity since BoW's first campaign finished, and I've gone back to 40k because I can get my head round it. Fair play to those that are playing the game - I'd lke to get back into it. I'd like to see more discussion of varied ways to play, rather than just ITS all the time - more scenarios like the ones in the Campaign: Paradiso book, for instance.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 12:46:49


Post by: jake


My approach to Infinity has always been to know the core rules (which are pretty straight forward), know the rules for the models I'm using and then know how to look everything else up easily. That served me well for years as a player, a Warcor and a tournament organizer.

But I know some people prefer games where they can just memorize every rule. For most people Infinity is never going to be that.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 13:27:52


Post by: smurfORnot


You would be surprised how easily you can get cheated on tournament if you don't know rules well
Especially if other guy just tells you, yea, you know this does this and that, you can't do that etc. only to find out later when you read rule, he got it completely wrong, on purpose or not, you can't know.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 13:31:14


Post by: Alpharius


 jake wrote:
Oh no! That Kurgat looks awful. I've been waiting for new Kurgats for years, but this just looks ridiculous. What is it possibly doing? Can anyone come up with a plausible explanation? Is it parrying someone else's attack? With its weird head angle I'm having trouble imagining even being able to swap the arms for something else to create a believable pose.

Also, I wish they'd stop giving giant close combat weapons to Mortas with no close combat skill. Theres no reason a Kurgat should be holding a weapon like that.


Agreed!

That's a very WTF Pose there, certainly...


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 13:49:24


Post by: Modock


What a shame, such a great model but with a terrible pose.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 14:56:06


Post by: jake


 smurfORnot wrote:
You would be surprised how easily you can get cheated on tournament if you don't know rules well
Especially if other guy just tells you, yea, you know this does this and that, you can't do that etc. only to find out later when you read rule, he got it completely wrong, on purpose or not, you can't know.


I wouldn't be that surprised. I've run a lot of tournaments. Like I said, its good to know HOW to look rules up quickly. The wiki and Army makes it very easy, and I always recommend looking of you're not 100% sure or if there's a disagreement. Because people who THINK they know how the rules work are actually pretty common. Always better to look.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 15:11:36


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I'm wondering if it was originally sculpted to be part of a diorama with him parrying somebody elses attack,

maybe look for the somebody else to be released later?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 15:15:02


Post by: Kanluwen


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'm wondering if it was originally sculpted to be part of a diorama with him parrying somebody elses attack,

maybe look for the somebody else to be released later?

We've seen the March renders at this point.
There's nobody.

It's like how both Blackjacks had to, for whatever reason, have a weapon in their offhand and be in a kind of boring 'bleh' pose. CB isn't great at doing dynamic things as actually being dynamic. They just throw accessories at a thing and hope it looks good.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 15:28:31


Post by: jake


 Kanluwen wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'm wondering if it was originally sculpted to be part of a diorama with him parrying somebody elses attack,

maybe look for the somebody else to be released later?

We've seen the March renders at this point.
There's nobody.

It's like how both Blackjacks had to, for whatever reason, have a weapon in their offhand and be in a kind of boring 'bleh' pose. CB isn't great at doing dynamic things as actually being dynamic. They just throw accessories at a thing and hope it looks good.


Actually, CB has a long history of doing fantastic dynamic poses. This Kurgat just isn't one of them.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 15:43:07


Post by: Kanluwen


 jake wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'm wondering if it was originally sculpted to be part of a diorama with him parrying somebody elses attack,

maybe look for the somebody else to be released later?

We've seen the March renders at this point.
There's nobody.

It's like how both Blackjacks had to, for whatever reason, have a weapon in their offhand and be in a kind of boring 'bleh' pose. CB isn't great at doing dynamic things as actually being dynamic. They just throw accessories at a thing and hope it looks good.


Actually, CB has a long history of doing fantastic dynamic poses. This Kurgat just isn't one of them.

And they also have a long history of doing awful dynamic poses.

Spektr Sniper, Wulver Mark 12(which I personally liked but that's because it was a dynamic piece that actually used debris on the base to look good), Crocman Hacker(surf's up brah!), etc etc.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 16:32:58


Post by: Red Harvest


I posted this bit o' shooping elsewhere, but here seems fine too:


The rules: too many and the game requires constant play so that the player can remain cognizant of everything. A lifestyle game. It discourages casual play. This is not a good thing.

Repeating the releases for March:
- Dire Foes 7: Grunt Spec Op v Nexus Spec Op
- Shikami with Contender
- Asawira with Spitfire
- Blackjack with AP HMG
- Kurgat with Boarding Shotgun
- Nisses repack. (The HMG and Hacker)

The Asawira needs to be the right size to interest me. Otherwise I can wait for the Asawira Doctor.

I'm guessing that there will be something for Adepticon, the Battlepack and it will be an April release.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 17:33:19


Post by: Modock


IMO there are far more great dinamic minis than bad ones. One of my favourites is Fiday, just pure gold.




The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 17:53:45


Post by: LunarSol


A lot of the issues with learning the rules are a result of the rulebook layout and just complicated organization (this is honestly the only reason hacking is at all difficult as far as I can tell). When I stopped trying to learn from the book and used the army builder things got a lot easier and MayaNet improves that to an almost trivial level by comparison. It's not a "simple" game, but models honestly aren't all that complicated; its just difficult to see the full picture of what they do with the traditional layouts.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 18:01:32


Post by: Barzam


The Kurgat looks almost like he slid under a TAG and is hacking at its legs. I kind of wish they had just given him arms setting up a landmine. Then he could've just been a general proxy model.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 18:29:49


Post by: jake


 Kanluwen wrote:
 jake wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'm wondering if it was originally sculpted to be part of a diorama with him parrying somebody elses attack,

maybe look for the somebody else to be released later?

We've seen the March renders at this point.
There's nobody.

It's like how both Blackjacks had to, for whatever reason, have a weapon in their offhand and be in a kind of boring 'bleh' pose. CB isn't great at doing dynamic things as actually being dynamic. They just throw accessories at a thing and hope it looks good.


Actually, CB has a long history of doing fantastic dynamic poses. This Kurgat just isn't one of them.

And they also have a long history of doing awful dynamic poses.

Spektr Sniper, Wulver Mark 12(which I personally liked but that's because it was a dynamic piece that actually used debris on the base to look good), Crocman Hacker(surf's up brah!), etc etc.


Opinions differ. The Spektr sniper was awesome and unique. It wasn't a realistic sniping pose, but it was a pose that a person could adopt if they wanted too, and it was clear what the model was supposed to be doing. It did a good job of communicating that the Spektr was a more exotic trooper from a less conventional army than the Fusilier sniper or the Bagh Mari sniper or any of the other snipers released around the same time.

Infinity's dynamic poses hit more often than they miss, and despite what you say the company does have a reputation for well done dynamic models.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 19:18:44


Post by: Alpharius


 jake wrote:

Infinity's dynamic poses hit more often than they miss, and despite what you say the company does have a reputation for well done dynamic models.


 jake wrote:

Opinions differ.


GROUP:

And that's probably enough of this particular tangent - and least in this thread.

Please feel free to start a new thread down in the Infinity sub-forum though - thanks!


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 20:14:36


Post by: Red Harvest


This image came from the LVO seminar. I only note it now because someone re-posted it on the official forums.
photo by Allan emlet
It is the Human Rights Logo. I think it is a 'hint' that the non-aligned army Carlos mentioned will be 0-12. We know that 0-12 uses Ariadna forces. The next dire foes is USAriadna versus CA. I doubt the battlepack will be 0-12 v. CA though.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 21:40:29


Post by: PsychoticStorm


I really think its just one of the two palms that make the Daktyls logo.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 21:46:26


Post by: Micky


Near the end of the CanCon video Carlos said O-12 would be set up like a sectorial army (and contain Saladin and Aleph Remotes), but also that its a long way off (and with every other army that was brought up, he was coy and hinting that maybe they would be this year).

Video link (facebook only, sadly) - at about 9:30 from the end.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 21:58:16


Post by: .Mikes.


 Red Harvest wrote:
I posted this bit o' shooping elsewhere, but here seems fine too:


The rules: too many and the game requires constant play so that the player can remain cognizant of everything. A lifestyle game. It discourages casual play. This is not a good thing.


It depends if that's the angle they;re aiming for, and clearly it is. There are casual games, and there are non-casual games. If you want cheap minis and rules than cane be memorised, there are games for you but Infinity isn't one of them. I, and I suspected most Infinity players, are fine with that.

Also, I'm stealing that image.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/30 23:17:12


Post by: Red Harvest


Steal away.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I really think its just one of the two palms that make the Daktyls logo.
Nope. It is the Human Rights Logo Although the Dactyls logo looks very much like this logo combined with its mirror image. This logo dates from 2011. The Dactyls' logo came much later.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/31 09:25:36


Post by: jake


I was just told by someone on the design team that the Kurgat is actually parrying a close combat attack. Which I can see, I guess. It's just a REALLY awkward pose on its own and without the context of another model doesn't make much sense.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/01/31 23:54:00


Post by: -Loki-


I'm curious why they didn't give the Asawira the same multiple part set up as the Shikami.

They could have given the Spitfire model alternate Rifle arms and a head turned a different direction. Then done a Boarding Shotgun model with Rifle arms and a medkit/satchel and a different head.

Two single model blisters with different arms and heads to completely cover all profiles in an AVA 4 unit.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 01:47:05


Post by: plastictrees


 -Loki- wrote:
I'm curious why they didn't give the Asawira the same multiple part set up as the Shikami.

They could have given the Spitfire model alternate Rifle arms and a head turned a different direction. Then done a Boarding Shotgun model with Rifle arms and a medkit/satchel and a different head.

Two single model blisters with different arms and heads to completely cover all profiles in an AVA 4 unit.


As much as I agree with this in theory, I'm glad that didn't happen here as the Asawira pose shown is incredibly boring.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 02:26:17


Post by: -Loki-


 plastictrees wrote:
 -Loki- wrote:
I'm curious why they didn't give the Asawira the same multiple part set up as the Shikami.

They could have given the Spitfire model alternate Rifle arms and a head turned a different direction. Then done a Boarding Shotgun model with Rifle arms and a medkit/satchel and a different head.

Two single model blisters with different arms and heads to completely cover all profiles in an AVA 4 unit.


As much as I agree with this in theory, I'm glad that didn't happen here as the Asawira pose shown is incredibly boring.


Sure, but the concern now is that it's hard to finish off the profiles. The Bahram starter has come and gone, so we're left with either a 3 model box (unlkely, they don't get tinbots) or another 2 blisters (rifle and boarding shotgun). If they want to do a Doctor model, 3 blisters unless they do some alternate parts for the rifle.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 02:47:28


Post by: plastictrees


 -Loki- wrote:
 plastictrees wrote:
 -Loki- wrote:
I'm curious why they didn't give the Asawira the same multiple part set up as the Shikami.

They could have given the Spitfire model alternate Rifle arms and a head turned a different direction. Then done a Boarding Shotgun model with Rifle arms and a medkit/satchel and a different head.

Two single model blisters with different arms and heads to completely cover all profiles in an AVA 4 unit.


As much as I agree with this in theory, I'm glad that didn't happen here as the Asawira pose shown is incredibly boring.


Sure, but the concern now is that it's hard to finish off the profiles. The Bahram starter has come and gone, so we're left with either a 3 model box (unlkely, they don't get tinbots) or another 2 blisters (rifle and boarding shotgun). If they want to do a Doctor model, 3 blisters unless they do some alternate parts for the rifle.


I'm not sure that CB give that a second thought...


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 03:31:47


Post by: -Loki-


 plastictrees wrote:
 -Loki- wrote:
 plastictrees wrote:
 -Loki- wrote:
I'm curious why they didn't give the Asawira the same multiple part set up as the Shikami.

They could have given the Spitfire model alternate Rifle arms and a head turned a different direction. Then done a Boarding Shotgun model with Rifle arms and a medkit/satchel and a different head.

Two single model blisters with different arms and heads to completely cover all profiles in an AVA 4 unit.


As much as I agree with this in theory, I'm glad that didn't happen here as the Asawira pose shown is incredibly boring.


Sure, but the concern now is that it's hard to finish off the profiles. The Bahram starter has come and gone, so we're left with either a 3 model box (unlkely, they don't get tinbots) or another 2 blisters (rifle and boarding shotgun). If they want to do a Doctor model, 3 blisters unless they do some alternate parts for the rifle.


I'm not sure that CB give that a second thought...


That's something that's wearing me down with their releases lately. I'm just so tired of waiting for the models I want and being told to proxy until it arrives.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 03:46:24


Post by: .Mikes.


Has anyone heard any rumours about Tunguska?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 09:48:28


Post by: Mastiff


 jake wrote:


Also, I wish they'd stop giving giant close combat weapons to Mortas with no close combat skill. Theres no reason a Kurgat should be holding a weapon like that.


Maybe they’re trying to convey his complete lack of combat skill with that ridiculous pose?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 15:30:27


Post by: Red Harvest


 -Loki- wrote:

so we're left with either a 3 model box (unlikely, they don't get tinbots) or another 2 blisters (rifle and boarding shotgun). If they want to do a Doctor model, 3 blisters unless they do some alternate parts for the rifle.
Hush you. Don't give them ideas.

We have seen the return of two minis/blister packaging. Maybe (but doubtful) the next Asawira will be 2 bodies with parts to make Boarding Shotgun, Doctor and AP rifle. Two blisters seems most likely, one that can be a Doctor with one of the weapons, and one with the remaining weapon. The Doctor will probably get the Boarding shotgun.

The addition of the frenzy characteristic to the asawira has made them not quite so appealing though. And the nerf to regeneration.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 15:37:29


Post by: Kanluwen


 Red Harvest wrote:
 -Loki- wrote:

so we're left with either a 3 model box (unlikely, they don't get tinbots) or another 2 blisters (rifle and boarding shotgun). If they want to do a Doctor model, 3 blisters unless they do some alternate parts for the rifle.
Hush you. Don't give them ideas.

We have seen the return of two minis/blister packaging. Maybe (but doubtful) the next Asawira will be 2 bodies with parts to make Boarding Shotgun, Doctor and AP rifle. Two blisters seems most likely, one that can be a Doctor with one of the weapons, and one with the remaining weapon. The Doctor will probably get the Boarding shotgun.

No, we actually haven't.

We've been seeing repacks featuring two minis. We just saw the Irmandinhos, a low point unit, get a single model blister(specifically for the Chain Rifle loadout which is 8 points...) when they have a very low AVA in Vanilla(3) and aren't even available in any Sectorials(we know they're coming in TAK but that's still a ways off). We just saw the Highlander Grey with AP HMG get two sets of arms(legitimately two sets of arms! it does two different poses) in one blister like what Loki was suggesting.

The most recent "two models in one blister" set which actually features new content is Bit & Kiss--but since they are in fact a single unit, they kind of have to be.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 -Loki- wrote:
I'm curious why they didn't give the Asawira the same multiple part set up as the Shikami.

All truths be told, who knows? They're talked about in the past it being related to "if the sculptor thinks it would look cool" and other things that shift the onus to the sculptor rather than them.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 17:19:12


Post by: PsychoticStorm


It is more the sculptor and art director along the master mold producer believe they can pull it off and pull it off than anything else.

Model production is more complicated than it seems and the master molder has a lot of saying in what can happen and what not.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 17:24:58


Post by: Kanluwen


 PsychoticStorm wrote:
It is more the sculptor and art director along the master mold producer believe they can pull it off and pull it off than anything else.

Model production is more complicated than it seems and the master molder has a lot of saying in what can happen and what not.

Which has no bearing on why some things get extras and others don't.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 17:46:54


Post by: PsychoticStorm


It actually has, if the extra parts means a model less on the mold the extra model takes priority for example.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 17:55:19


Post by: Kanluwen


 PsychoticStorm wrote:
It actually has, if the extra parts means a model less on the mold the extra model takes priority for example.

People with more experience than you or I have told you before that you're wrong about this. I won't say more beyond that.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 21:19:40


Post by: PsychoticStorm


I do not remember anything like that beyond a vague reference of you talking to some guys from GW sometime in the past decade or more.

Anyway, for many reasons some models will have extra parts and others will not.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 21:31:08


Post by: Kanluwen


 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I do not remember anything like that beyond a vague reference of you talking to some guys from GW sometime in the past decade or more.

Yeah...no. Section 9 is the one who shot your arguments down quite often in regards to the cost/opportunity on the old forums.

Most of what I ever commented on was the idea that you couldn't have options without "being prohibitively expensive". It's not a question of you having to choose between price and options(the new Highlander Grey with two different arm sets is $14.49 MSRP--which is $1 less than the Aquila Guard with HMG, a model with 0 options and is actually right on par with the Nisse HMG, Nisse Hacker, and likely quite a few more recent releases); it's a question of you having to choose to put the work in for those options to get made. It's a question of the company having to decide it will get more value and excitement from their fans by doing something like that then just shoveling crap out of the door.

Loki doesn't like me so likely won't read this, but he's made a really good point earlier in this thread regarding the releases "wearing him down" and being told to "just proxy". It is a very disheartening and downright frustrating thing for them to miss on "easy" opportunities like an extra head or arm set. I'm fairly certain I can speak for many people when I say that them slowing down their release pace to start expanding contents of blisters/boxes to make them more consumer friendly would be a Very Good Thing.

CB wants to act like it's a Big Dog in the game. The fact that they have an echo chamber for a forum does them no favors in these kinds of regards.

Anyway, for many reasons some models will have extra parts and others will not.

Really? For many reasons?! Who knew there might be many reasons!

Please, enlighten us with your extensive insight into their operations!


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 22:02:01


Post by: PsychoticStorm


If the pose decided can work with alternative set of arms/ parts, if said parts can fit on the mold as it has been decided along with the rest of the models, if the increased parts increase the cost either because of extra manhours needing for packing/ extra space needed for the parts or extra metal, if there is enouph time to do alternative parts, if the alternative parts make sense with the rest of the release schedule, how much will the extra parts affect chances of mispacking, do the extra parts follow the same mold deterioration as the rest of the model.

I probably can think a few more, but I think these should be enouph.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 22:03:19


Post by: LunarSol


From what I've seen from other companies, a lot of alt parts aren't really intentional designs as much as the ability to play with posing a bit more in digital sculpting tools and sometimes liking a couple things with minimal differences enough to be worth printing both.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 23:31:22


Post by: Red Harvest


In before the Mod warning :p
CB has stated that they are using new techniques in mini assembly, based in their experiences with the plastics for Aristeia! I have no idea how this will affect mold making, but I am certain that it will create fewer but larger parts for minis. This may make it even less likely for additional bits.

The release schedule. It certainly has a fair few Tohaa players who are less than gruntled with it. I've been waiting ages for the Acont Regular hacker. Haqq at least is almost done as far as new and updated sculpts go. but this is after a year of many new releases. Finishing off the load-outs for units already extant before moving on to a whole new set of shinies would do them well. All that pent up demand. CB is leaving money on the table.



The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/01 23:38:35


Post by: Chairman Aeon


 Red Harvest wrote:
In before the Mod warning :p
CB has stated that they are using new techniques in mini assembly, based in their experiences with the plastics for Aristeia! I have no idea how this will affect mold making, but I am certain that it will create fewer but larger parts for minis. This may make it even less likely for additional bits.


If this means I don't have to glue on all 10 fingers* on models I'm all for it.


* slight hyperbole, but not much on some minis.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 00:30:19


Post by: -Loki-


 Red Harvest wrote:
In before the Mod warning :p
CB has stated that they are using new techniques in mini assembly, based in their experiences with the plastics for Aristeia! I have no idea how this will affect mold making, but I am certain that it will create fewer but larger parts for minis. This may make it even less likely for additional bits.


This is pretty frustrating if true. I don't know why they'd wait until they have less ability to do extra parts to announce they're doing extra parts. That's just bad management.

 Red Harvest wrote:
The release schedule. It certainly has a fair few Tohaa players who are less than gruntled with it. I've been waiting ages for the Acont Regular hacker. Haqq at least is almost done as far as new and updated sculpts go. but this is after a year of many new releases. Finishing off the load-outs for units already extant before moving on to a whole new set of shinies would do them well. All that pent up demand. CB is leaving money on the table.


From what I understand, from what PS has said at other times and what CB have said, the sculptors seem to have a lot of wiggle room in what they sculpt. The sculptor deciding to sculpt in a pose that limits a new business practice that opens up the ability to release more profiles is a real problem. They don't need to go into GW levels of over management but taking the sculpting team aside and saying 'look, we need to get more profiles out, we're committed to going extra parts in blisters, so from now on limit your poses on models that need extra parts to poses that will support those extra parts'.

As it is it's frustrating playing this game alongside Malifaux, where Wyrd has got their gak together. Every single release for the year will release that year, with enough models in a set to either cover the maximum that can be used or the maximum that will regularly be used. I can bank on the fact that while I am eager to get my hands on models from the last book, they will be released by the next book this year.

I'm still waiting for an FO Al Hawwa, a Boarding Shotgun Asawira, all the new Khawarij profiles, a Djanbazan basic rifle in the new design, a HRL Hafza and others.

Given that only one of those is in a new sectorial, the news that the next years releases will be for the new sectorials means the majority of what I'm waiting for is still 'proxy or convert'. It's worn me down to the point where I care little for picking up Ramah Taskforce unless CB get a better attitude to releasing missing profiles.

The fact that a whole range, Tohaa, will got a whole year without a release is just bafflingly stupid management of the range.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 01:41:18


Post by: Red Harvest


And a new AP rifle Janissary.

They had no knowledge about other, better, ways to assemble the minis because they never did additional research until they started on Aristeia!. But to stay competitive, a company has to stay current on the state of the art in the industry. At least, in most industries.

The Spanish expression is 'el que paga, manda' He who pays, gives the orders. CB needs to remind the sculptors of this. And then give them some orders. Fit the minis on the bases. Sculpt these profiles first, and in this order. Etc.

Ah well, I have so many minis that I need to finish painting that I'm not really in the market for new ones for a while. I only bought some last year because Fat Yuan Yuan ( who can pass that up) and the Red Veil expansion tidied up the Yu Jing for me. This year, barring something really spectacular, I may not get anything except the LE mini that comes with the book.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 03:18:37


Post by: Monkeysloth


 Red Harvest wrote:


It certainly has a fair few Tohaa players who are less than gruntled with it.



Interesting enough. On the new forum IJW is saying that CB doesn't consider Tohaa a faction but only a Sectorial thus the limited amount of profiles and releases. Out of all the people that would say anything about what CB thinks/does he's probably the only one who's now an employee I would trust.

here's the quote
As I was one of the people pointing it out in the Warcor thread, Tohaa were are and are considered to be equivalent to a Sectorial by CB. It's how the force was designed and is why they generally only have one or two units in a given role and overall have a smaller range than the other 'main' factions.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 03:51:43


Post by: Micky


 Monkeysloth wrote:
 Red Harvest wrote:


It certainly has a fair few Tohaa players who are less than gruntled with it.



Interesting enough. On the new forum IJW is saying that CB doesn't consider Tohaa a faction but only a Sectorial thus the limited amount of profiles and releases. Out of all the people that would say anything about what CB thinks/does he's probably the only one who's now an employee I would trust.

here's the quote
As I was one of the people pointing it out in the Warcor thread, Tohaa were are and are considered to be equivalent to a Sectorial by CB. It's how the force was designed and is why they generally only have one or two units in a given role and overall have a smaller range than the other 'main' factions.



Carlos said much the same about the other UA armies too, including O-12 whenever that happens.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 04:45:12


Post by: Red Harvest


The Tohaa are presented as a full faction. The non-aligned armies are presented as sectorials of the Non-aligned faction. CB may think of the Tohaa as a sectorial, but they have presented them as a full faction, with forthcoming sectorials of their own.

None of which matters, since in either case, the Tohaa still need minis for some units/profiles. Skipping the faction for an entire year does not satisfy customers.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 10:08:43


Post by: Vain


 Red Harvest wrote:
Skipping the faction for an entire year does not satisfy customers.


Does not satisfy SOME customers.
I am totally on board with the reallocation of resources. I sucks for the fans of the artichokes, but I am not one of them so more work elsewhere does not anger me.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 17:31:53


Post by: BobbaFett


It was just a matter of time that the growth on the armies spectrum would be unmanageable for CB.

Splitting the factions into sectorials was a first step.
Adding more factions was another step.
They are releasing now the Non-alligned armies.

Thye keep moving forward but that doesn't mean that they do not have to skip and left some armies behind.

If they release 5 new armies this year, let's say: Varuna, Tunguska, Vedic, invincibles and Ramah Taskforce.
That, my friends, would inevitable lead to saying goodbye to: Qapu khalqi, Acontecimento, SteelPhalanx, Corregidor and JSA (just a guess, just an example here).

I'm speaking specifically about the release schedule here. It's impossible that 5 releases every month can cover 25 armies and satisfy everyone.
And I do not see CB upgrading their current schedule to 6 NEW releases, please, do not count Re-packs here.
CB is not that big.

They have a problem. I think that changing their formula maybe to release a full army, all the miniatures for all the profiles every 3 months, maybe something more classic GW take on this would be better received.

List of current active armies for Infinity right now:

PanOceania
Acontecimento Shock Force
Military Orders
Neoterra Capitaline Army
Varuna Intervention Division (Rumored 2018)

Yu Jing
Imperial Service
Japanese Sectorial Army
Invincible Army (Rumored 2018)

Ariadna
Merovingia Rapid Response Force
Usariadna Ranger Force
Caledonian Highlander Army
Tartary Army Korps (Rumored 2018)

Haqqislam
Qapu Khalqi
Hassassin Bahram
Ramah Raskforce (Rumored 2018)

Nomads
Corregidor Jurisdictional Command
Bakunin Jurisdictional Command
Tunguska Jurisdictional Command (Rumored 2018)

ALEPH
Steel Phalanx
Operations Sub-Section (Rumored 2018)

Combined Army
Onyx Contact force
Morat Aggression Force
Shasvastii Expeditionary Army (Rumored 2019)

Tohaa
Triunvirate Army (Rumored 2019)

NA2 Non-Alligned Armies
Druze Bayram Security
Star Company (Rumored 2018)

Those are 25 armies. That is impossible to sustain in a satisfactory way for the player and the store.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 17:44:58


Post by: LunarSol


I'm not sure if every sectorial needs a constant stream of new models. I do think it would probably help to be able to take lists from multiple sectorials as your pair, though I'd probably say no to mixing sectorials and vanilla.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 19:41:24


Post by: Alpharius


You're probably right there, LunarSol...

Also, why no Svalarheima stuff in that nice list, BobbaFett?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 19:55:14


Post by: jake


I don't think there's anything wrong with "retiring" some sectorials, especially the less unique ones. They could still remain playable, and may even receive occasional rules updates, but we woudln't be expecting new profiles for them.

That said, I don't know if there's any sectorial thats "model complete". Years ago they said he were done with Qapu and considered it a complete sectorial, but since then its gotten 24 new model releases.

It would be nice if they could concentrate on making some sectorials model complete, then retiring them and moving on to new sectorials.

I also think that a few of the more unique sectorials probably shouldn't really ever be complete.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 19:55:54


Post by: Kanluwen


 Alpharius wrote:
You're probably right there, LunarSol...

Also, why no Svalarheima stuff in that nice list, BobbaFett?

Because they weren't slated for this forthcoming book.

Nor has Vedic been. That's been a kinda/sorta recent development that we don't know what is going on with.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 19:56:40


Post by: Knight


... the wait for Acontecimento Regular Hacker with Fast Panda continues.

Spoiler:
I think I've given up on ever seeing the miniature.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 20:03:32


Post by: Kanluwen


 jake wrote:
I don't think there's anything wrong with "retiring" some sectorials, especially the less unique ones. They could still remain playable, and may even receive occasional rules updates, but we woudln't be expecting new profiles for them.

By this same vein, there's a lot that could be done to bring some of those "less unique ones" up to par or into a new, fresh vein without requiring overhauls of the whole setup.

Things like a Haris option for Bolts with Remotes(like the idea I literally kept suggesting in the Bolts threads on the official forums and they went and put it with Druze) or an Engineer option for Minutemen or Marauders, or small things that don't require new models to completely function.

That said, I don't know if there's any sectorial thats "model complete". Years ago they said he were done with Qapu and considered it a complete sectorial, but since then its gotten 24 new model releases.

It would be nice if they could concentrate on making some sectorials model complete, then retiring them and moving on to new sectorials.

I also think that a few of the more unique sectorials probably shouldn't really ever be complete.

I'd say Imperial Service and Steel Phalanx are probably the closest things we have to Sectorials that are "model complete". Maybe USARF as well, although I'd love a triple blister of Foxtrots with a Rifle+LGL, a Foxtrot with a Sniper Rifle, and a crouching Foxtrot with binoculars up to serve as another FO. Same goes for a double blister of Airborne with a Rifle and another with a Boarding Shotgun.


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 Knight wrote:
... the wait for Acontecimento Regular Hacker with Fast Panda continues.

Spoiler:
I think I've given up on ever seeing the miniature.

Probably a smart move. It was sadly a given when they decided to make that weirdly specific ASA box.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 20:20:44


Post by: LunarSol


I don't really feel like Bakunin is missing anything. A new Lizard model would be wonderful, but overall the profile options are quite robust across the board.

Corregidor is lacking but I don't think they really need new models at all. They could, I guess, but really their problem is just that a lot of their existing options lack identity and depth, so it feels more limited than it really is. Make Wildcats and Hellcats more interesting and they'd feel pretty complete.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 20:45:40


Post by: SeanDrake


 LunarSol wrote:
I don't really feel like Bakunin is missing anything. A new Lizard model would be wonderful, but overall the profile options are quite robust across the board.

Corregidor is lacking but I don't think they really need new models at all. They could, I guess, but really their problem is just that a lot of their existing options lack identity and depth, so it feels more limited than it really is. Make Wildcats and Hellcats more interesting and they'd feel pretty complete.


Corregidors main problem is that half the models are in a different fetching scale to the rest due to CB's laziness,incompetence and/or an in ability to give a feth.

I


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 21:35:45


Post by: Bladerunner2019


Ok great! New Zoe & Co.

Spoiler:



Can we get a new Carlota Kowalsky & Moriarty too?
Spoiler:


They’re also pretty outdated & while a badass, she is awfully static.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 22:54:01


Post by: LunarSol


SeanDrake wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
I don't really feel like Bakunin is missing anything. A new Lizard model would be wonderful, but overall the profile options are quite robust across the board.

Corregidor is lacking but I don't think they really need new models at all. They could, I guess, but really their problem is just that a lot of their existing options lack identity and depth, so it feels more limited than it really is. Make Wildcats and Hellcats more interesting and they'd feel pretty complete.


Corregidors main problem is that half the models are in a different fetching scale to the rest due to CB's laziness,incompetence and/or an in ability to give a feth.

I


K....

Hellcats are the worst offenders, but most of the rest is fine. Even then its basically just the contents of their starter box that are notably off outside of 1-2 specific profiles. Given how much HAS been updated, I think they're largely fine.

I'd love for Carlota to be better. She pays a lot of points to basically just be a Tomcat with slightly better stats.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 23:20:23


Post by: Kanluwen


 LunarSol wrote:
SeanDrake wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
I don't really feel like Bakunin is missing anything. A new Lizard model would be wonderful, but overall the profile options are quite robust across the board.

Corregidor is lacking but I don't think they really need new models at all. They could, I guess, but really their problem is just that a lot of their existing options lack identity and depth, so it feels more limited than it really is. Make Wildcats and Hellcats more interesting and they'd feel pretty complete.


Corregidors main problem is that half the models are in a different fetching scale to the rest due to CB's laziness,incompetence and/or an in ability to give a feth.

I


K....

Hellcats are the worst offenders, but most of the rest is fine. Even then its basically just the contents of their starter box that are notably off outside of 1-2 specific profiles. Given how much HAS been updated, I think they're largely fine.

I'd love for Carlota to be better. She pays a lot of points to basically just be a Tomcat with slightly better stats.

Quite frankly, anything that was Corregidor done pre-Icestorm should be revised.

Hellcats, by the by, are actually some of the better ones for revision since they have very few models available. Their HMG profile no longer is sold, the Boarding Shotgun is packaged with the Hacker now, and the Spitfire model just got released with "Beyond Icestorm". The starter set Hellcat has the 'basic' profile of CR+LFT.

Wildcats are a whole different kettle of fish.

In any regards, Corregidor can be 'fixed' pretty quickly with a resculpted starter set.
3x CR+LFT Wildcats done in the new scale=fixed
1x Intruder with CR+LFT in the new scale=fixed
1x Hellcat with CR+LFT in the new scale=fixed

That leaves an open slot since the CJC starter included an Alguacile Hacker(which later got its own blister, supposedly so that "Merovingian players wouldn't have to split boxes"...realistically it's because the Alguacile Hacker looked wildly out of place in any of the promotional shots they would have done) where you can include a Tomcat, another Hellcat, another Wildcat, or another Intruder--or possibly even a Mobile Brigada 'variant' loadout(MR+LFT, CR, BSG) just for the sake of having an alternate way of acquiring a model that otherwise is in the Mobile Brigada OR vanilla Nomad starter.

Hell, if they really wanted to put in a "Corregidor specific" model that would guarantee the box keeps being a seller, even if it is just for people parting it out? Senor Massacre in the box.
And just for fun, it turns out that can actually be done for under 150 points--which is right around where most Sectorial boxes tend to sit!

Spoiler:
Jurisdictional Command of Corregidor
──────────────────────────────────────────────────

6
SEÑOR MASSACRE Boarding Shotgun, E/M Grenades, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, E/M CCW. (0 | 26)
HELLCAT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
WILDCAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
WILDCAT (Number 2) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
INTRUDER Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 43)
WILDCAT Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)

0.5 SWC | 149 Points

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With that done? You'd just need a Wildcats box(Hacker, BSG with Stun Grenades and Deployable Repeater, Spitfire, HRL) to finish out their options, you could stand to have the Hellcats that are in a double blister potentially resculpted(they actually fit fairly well with the Spitfire sculpt from Beyond Icestorm--a bit skinnier in spots but otherwise a-okay), the Tomcats that aren't the Doctor could use a resculpt, and the Moran could really use it. Throw in a lone Intruder with CR+LFT blister and bam, you've basically fixed the range in a few months worth of releases.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 23:36:21


Post by: Barzam


Why not a Daktari instead of a character or an HI?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/02 23:44:01


Post by: Kanluwen


 Barzam wrote:
Why not a Daktari instead of a character or an HI?

Because Daktari are low AVA and in the Support Pack.

With regards to HI, Corregidor 'only' has the Mobile Brigada and Geckos. The Mobile Brigadas are pretty well covered for releases between their box and the model from the vanilla Nomad starter(although he could definitely use a second set of arms just so as to be able to not be so boringly repetitive--same with the Orc for PanO). The only profile they are currently missing is a Combi Rifle one, but since that one also has a CR+Tinbot variant...I think they might honestly be saving it for a rainy day blister at some point.

If not Massacre, I'd lean towards something like a Tomcat or possibly even a second Intruder profile. I could see that being a place for a third Intruder with MSR model(the male version that's currently available in a blister seems to be destined for the scrapheap as soon as/if the female one from Beyond Icestorm is made generally available). Could also see it being a spot for another Hellcat or a fourth Wildcat or even a MB with CR.

Sidenote: I'm trying to think of anywhere that has had something like the Daktari in a starter set and drawing a blank. Do you know of any?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/03 18:00:17


Post by: BobbaFett


 Kanluwen wrote:
[...]Corregidor can be 'fixed' pretty quickly[...]


Yes, but... Does "Corregidor" needs fixing?

Let's just look at the whole question from a "Evil company" angle: Why fixing an army that is already popular?

From my perception, Nomads and specially Corregidor have been superpopular since 2014. Massive present in ITS/Flamestrike/Wotan/forums and my local meta.
Shoudl CB stick to make the popular armies better or should the company care about other armies that are going through "tough times" like the Tohaa. I've been reading huge statements full of tears from Tohaa players recently.

I mean, from what we've seen, it's like CB is always giving love to PanO/Yu Jing and Combined Army constantly, then, Ariadna and Haqqislam have no reason to complain at all. ALEPH players complain about not having Vedic and Tohaa are right at the end of the line.

The whole N3 standard for miniatures began with the Morats and Icestorm, from that point, the "quality stain" kept on expanding until almost all the factions got plenty of N3 stuff except ALEPH and Tohaa IMHO.
The Corregidor N3 thing happen right when their range was already being re-sculpted, that's why there is a noticeable scale gap between the Corregidor starter Pack and the Icestorm Nomad starter pack.

Wich army deserves priority here?
ALEPH, Tohaa or Corregidor?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/03 18:12:27


Post by: Knight


Love for PanO? I mean, maybe, if you have hard on, on knights and other low CC no MA, power armour miniatures.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/05 00:22:28


Post by: Micky


Main concern I'd have is if we're getting five army splash releases this year, what does that do for the normal release schedule?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/05 01:06:04


Post by: Chairman Aeon


 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Ok great! New Zoe & Co.


I think you mean a new character with a recycled name. I'm be saving money on not buy that mini.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Can we get a new Carlota Kowalsky & Moriarty too?

They’re also pretty outdated & while a badass, she is awfully static.


Sure, it can look like Skunk Anasasie (read: Skin) too with its EXTEME! styling. Seriously CB, you're trying too hard.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/08 04:43:36


Post by: Kanluwen


Dire Foes description:
Candy Double, the great star of Maya and famous investigator, has found out the Combined Army's plan to alter the Dark Mist technology released on the planet Dawn, turning these clouds of visual interference into a deadly weapon. It's time to stop the lethal clouds and Candy Double too, because the star must not reveal the EI's plan, to avoid spreading panic throughout the Human Sphere.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/08 07:35:04


Post by: ScarletRose


Candy Double, the great star of Maya and famous investigator, has found out the Combined Army's plan to alter the Dark Mist technology released on the planet Dawn, turning these clouds of visual interference into a deadly weapon


Sounds ok

It's time to stop the lethal clouds and Candy Double too


Wait, but I thought Candy was the one doing the stopping?


*sigh* CB please hire a native English speaker. It just really grinds me when descriptions switch subject like that.



The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/08 08:35:19


Post by: ImAGeek


It’s time to stop the lethal clouds and stop Candy Double from revealing the EI plan and causing panic.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/08 09:50:55


Post by: Vain


Yeah, read simple enough to me. Though I try to read to the end of the sentences.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/08 13:25:52


Post by: BobbaFett


XD

-"It's time to stop Candy Candy from double crossing the powers twice and to avoid not achieving her ultimate objective... because this time she's constipated! Olé!"


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/13 02:33:25


Post by: Bladerunner2019


I know it was likely posted fairly recently, but can anyone give us a summary of upcoming releases Feb, Mar, Apr to the best of our knowledge?


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/13 02:50:31


Post by: Micky


referring back to the Cancon/LVO seminars

Feb:
Irmandinhos
Garuda
Hospitaller Knights
Kuang Shi
Bit & Kiss
Spektrs (repack)
Al Hawwa (repack)

March:
Dire Foes 7 (Candy Cloud)
Shikami - contender
Asawiara - spitfire
Black Jack - ap hmg
Kurgat - shotgun
Nisses (repack)

April:
big thing.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/13 03:04:10


Post by: -Loki-


 Micky wrote:
April:
big thing.


Guessing also somewhat controversial. It's listed as 'HOW DARE YOU?' or something similar on the slide.


The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition @ 2018/02/13 03:44:52


Post by: Vertrucio


It'll be infinity V4, using Aristea dice as a base.