First half of February : Adeptus Custodes.
Second half of February : Thousand Sons.
First half of March : T'au Empire.
Second half of March : Necron.
Between April and May : Drukhari, Harlequinn and two new elven armies for Age of Sigmar.
didn't see a thread on this yet, TS and Custodes coming up soon as we all know. These are rumors for what could come after, if there is a general 40k rumor thread this could be merged into that one.
u/revburn: Since people keep asking, this information was passed onto me secondhand and is from a vendor email to a shop owner.
I'm not denying that there is a chance of it being fake however, as proven in the history of this subreddit some of the most legit things are usually blasted as fake.
Now if it is proven fake I will pen a formal apology to this sub-reddit with a few days time of it being proven so.
EnTyme wrote: This does line up with the leaked schedule from some on the other rumor threads.
I'm sure Nafka has just take the "leaked" schedule from that guy that said in november that February would have a big custodes release. So that gives him a good amount of credibility with the rest of the release schedule.
But has has been said many times, the guys that are in charge of the release schedule and the guys that actually do the stuff aren't the same. Some things can be done for months before they find a "spot" in the release schedule to put the release in. Things can be delayed too.
necrontyrOG wrote: I trust Natfka rumors about as much as I trust the sushi at the gas station.
they haven't been too far off recently with some of their stuff. So maybe they actually found their golden goose of actual information.
That'll happen when they parrot stuff from other sites - they'll be right just as much as the original source is right, and wrong just as much. You dont see too much genuinely originate from Natfka, BoLS, Spikey etc - the are sites that simply aggregate and regurgitate with a bit of wish listing thrown in for fun.
An Actual Englishman wrote: Well according the rumour (same thing, from Spikey bits) Orks are last (June) so I think it's legit. At least if it proves to be false I'll be happy.
Technically not LAST last, just last in that list, there are about 5 codexes after that.
Honestly this looks more like an educated guess than anything else, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. It just seems unusual for the entire release to be so logical, usually there is a curve ball somewhere.
The biggest threat to games? More games that take their place.
The Necron codex comes out at the same time as Blood Red Skies. If I was already immersed in 8th I would fit both in. However, at this point it will not be WWII that becomes the mothball fleet as my 8K Necron army will be in bins inside a storage shed until maybe 9th... or should I just sell? At least all the rules and models from Warlord Games will be playable!
If GW goes back to Codices crossing over editions I will pick up the Necrons book after confirming that 9th is not a re-clustering of this frackery.
I know, right!?! ZOMG, GW must hate Imperial players! Three non-Imperial books in a row while the leftover Imperial players get no models or rules for months!
I just would like them to confirm which armies are getting codexs! I can deal with not knowing when.
I know my Necrons will eventually get a book, but what about an odd one like Khorne Daemonkin?
KDK is not CSM or Chaos demons, so while I have two ways to use the models, they are not usable in the way I used to play them. It doesn't help that chaos deamons codex is pretty much Nurgle Daemonkin,with 3 other armies added in.
Tokhuah wrote:The biggest threat to games? More games that take their place.
The Necron codex comes out at the same time as Blood Red Skies. If I was already immersed in 8th I would fit both in. However, at this point it will not be WWII that becomes the mothball fleet as my 8K Necron army will be in bins inside a storage shed until maybe 9th... or should I just sell? At least all the rules and models from Warlord Games will be playable!
If GW goes back to Codices crossing over editions I will pick up the Necrons book after confirming that 9th is not a re-clustering of this frackery.
The only reason codices didn't cross over this edition was because GW changed to a new gaming system for 40k, something they hadn't done since 2nd ed I believe. So I think you're fine for now, no need to get salty about 9th ed yet.
I know, right!?! ZOMG, GW must hate Imperial players! Three non-Imperial books in a row while the leftover Imperial players get no models or rules for months!
I think someone's projecting a little too hard there.
It would be nice to know which armies are getting codices, but most likely GW don't want to tell us because they may change their minds in future. What if they don't currently plan an Emperor's Children codex, but decide to make one later? They'd get called out for lying if they'd said it wasn't coming, but if they don't say anything it's fine.
At least we can be certain the big ones like Orks, Necrons, Space Wolves etc. get theirs.
Asmodai wrote: No sign of Imperial Knights in that release schedule either, though Chapter Approved suggests they won't just get folded into AdMech.
If they were going to be folded in it would have happened when the AdMech Codex came out.
Unless they get another new kit of some sort to expand their range, imperial knights would be best served by being rolled into a forces of the Imperium book with the other mini imperial factions to make a new Imperial agents book. No real need for a third codex based around a single kit.
Asmodai wrote: No sign of Imperial Knights in that release schedule either, though Chapter Approved suggests they won't just get folded into AdMech.
If they were going to be folded in it would have happened when the AdMech Codex came out.
Unless they get another new kit of some sort to expand their range, imperial knights would be best served by being rolled into a forces of the Imperium book with the other mini imperial factions to make a new Imperial agents book. No real need for a third codex based around a single kit.
I'd not mind a second or third IK kit to flesh them out a bit. IKs are gorgous minis
LunarSol wrote: The rumor I saw also lists Orks in June along with a campaign book and boxed set.
If GW has any business sense at all, it will be the 4th war for Armageddon. IG/Orks boxed set. No way they are going to release more marines after they just released primaris boxed set. A Steel Legion/Ork campaign box would literally print money.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Unless they get another new kit of some sort to expand their range, imperial knights would be best served by being rolled into a forces of the Imperium book with the other mini imperial factions to make a new Imperial agents book. No real need for a third codex based around a single kit.
LunarSol wrote: The rumor I saw also lists Orks in June along with a campaign book and boxed set.
If GW has any business sense at all, it will be the 4th war for Armageddon. IG/Orks boxed set. No way they are going to release more marines after they just released primaris boxed set. A Steel Legion/Ork campaign box would literally print money.
Problem is it would be two hoard armies, unless they had a really odd selection of Orks or Guard.
LunarSol wrote: The rumor I saw also lists Orks in June along with a campaign book and boxed set.
If GW has any business sense at all, it will be the 4th war for Armageddon. IG/Orks boxed set. No way they are going to release more marines after they just released primaris boxed set. A Steel Legion/Ork campaign box would literally print money.
Has there yet to been box set without marines EVER? Doubt they are going to break the template.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Unless they get another new kit of some sort to expand their range, imperial knights would be best served by being rolled into a forces of the Imperium book with the other mini imperial factions to make a new Imperial agents book. No real need for a third codex based around a single kit.
That's a good idea. Good place for them to go.
If there is an Imperial Agents codex, that is where they belong. 5 weapon choices does not an army make.
u/revburn: Since people keep asking, this information was passed onto me secondhand and is from a vendor email to a shop owner.
I'm not denying that there is a chance of it being fake however, as proven in the history of this subreddit some of the most legit things are usually blasted as fake.
Now if it is proven fake I will pen a formal apology to this sub-reddit with a few days time of it being proven so.
The sad thing is that, if there is a Campaign box, it will be Space Marines v. Something. Because there aren't enough Space Marines v. Something boxes out there already (none of which are limited).
casvalremdeikun wrote: The sad thing is that, if there is a Campaign box, it will be Space Marines v. Something. Because there aren't enough Space Marines v. Something boxes out there already (none of which are limited).
Space Marines vs. Orks, considering the codex timing, or something else that wouldn't have a codex by the time of release. Maybe Space Marines vs. Genestealer Cults, using it as an excuse to give the Aberrants a sprue to themselves? Then again just reprising the Deathwatch: Overkill box seems unlikely, lol.
About this summer 40k campaign box : if the trend continues it's almost guaranteed it will be Imperium vs. Chaos. I guess it could be a way for GW to do a Primarch vs Primarch release.
If the Space Wolves Codex indeed comes in June, I can see a Russ vs Angron release ("Ragestorm" or "Ragetempest"), with some World Eaters, their Codex, maybe plastic Flesh-Hounds (that way, GW doesn't disturb their Chaos-in-Winter release pattern, Winter 2018-2019 probably being Slaanesh with EC and AOS).
Remember there is a huge World Eater army going to Terra right now. Russ could show up to save the day with some more of his wulfenesque sons. (And we have Adeptus Cutosdes now too).
HorticulusDK wrote: About this summer 40k campaign box : if the trend continues it's almost guaranteed it will be Imperium vs. Chaos. I guess it could be a way for GW to do a Primarch vs Primarch release.
If the Space Wolves Codex indeed comes in June, I can see a Russ vs Angron release ("Ragestorm" or "Ragetempest"), with some World Eaters, their Codex, maybe plastic Flesh-Hounds (that way, GW doesn't disturb their Chaos-in-Winter release pattern, Winter 2018-2019 probably being Slaanesh with EC and AOS).
Remember there is a huge World Eater army going to Terra right now. Russ could show up to save the day with some more of his wulfenesque sons. (And we have Adeptus Cutosdes now too).
Do you think that 2 Primarchs would be the in the boxed set? Because I could never see that happening and I couldn't see them releasing Primarchs at the same time as a boxed set either. Primarchs shift boxes anyway, there'd be no point in adding a boxed set to encourage further purchases.
To be honest, I doubt GW will release more than one Primarch at a time, it is too big an event to wrap up with another.
Primarch would be separately. They wouldn't give THAT huge discount or make start box expensive enough to make discount not be significantly more than before
I think we can be almost garnteed they won't put out two primarchs together. a Primarch is a big deal. they're "Headline events" and releasing two at once would over shadow one.
I also doubt we'll see Angron this year. IIRC none of the rumor mongers have suggested him, combined with some fluff where an attempt to summon him was topped. AND that he wasn't specificly mentioned in GS3 among the demon primarchs reacting to his return (Mortorian and fulgrim meanwhile where) makes me conclude Angron's not on their slate for the IMMEDIATE FUTURE. an d may be next year, if not "a couple of years off" possiably intended to be the "big splash" for 2019?
BrianDavion wrote: I think we can be almost garnteed they won't put out two primarchs together. a Primarch is a big deal. they're "Headline events" and releasing two at once would over shadow one.
I also doubt we'll see Angron this year. IIRC none of the rumor mongers have suggested him, combined with some fluff where an attempt to summon him was topped. AND that he wasn't specificly mentioned in GS3 among the demon primarchs reacting to his return (Mortorian and fulgrim meanwhile where) makes me conclude Angron's not on their slate for the IMMEDIATE FUTURE. an d may be next year, if not "a couple of years off" possiably intended to be the "big splash" for 2019?
Hastings(who has had pretty much spot on track records) stated around time Guillimann specifically called out Guillimann, Mortarion, Magnus, Russ and Angon(didn't specify order except for Guillimann being first obviously since it was already known release)
Of course it's possible he was mistaken or things got changed afterwards.
A loyalist Primarch in a box set isn't implausible. Though wildly oversized, they are still only dreadnoughtish in size and Gulliman came in a three character box set.
A daemon Primarch In a box set would be extremely improbable given their hugeness and cost. It'd be just short of having a Knight in a box set.
BrianDavion wrote: I think we can be almost garnteed they won't put out two primarchs together. a Primarch is a big deal. they're "Headline events" and releasing two at once would over shadow one.
I also doubt we'll see Angron this year. IIRC none of the rumor mongers have suggested him, combined with some fluff where an attempt to summon him was topped. AND that he wasn't specificly mentioned in GS3 among the demon primarchs reacting to his return (Mortorian and fulgrim meanwhile where) makes me conclude Angron's not on their slate for the IMMEDIATE FUTURE. an d may be next year, if not "a couple of years off" possiably intended to be the "big splash" for 2019?
Hastings(who has had pretty much spot on track records) stated around time Guillimann specifically called out Guillimann, Mortarion, Magnus, Russ and Angon(didn't specify order except for Guillimann being first obviously since it was already known release)
Of course it's possible he was mistaken or things got changed afterwards.
I recall that too although I seem to recall it being Fulgrim not Angron.
which honestly makes sense, useally deamon primarch releases coincide with a major release for stuff associated with that demon (the legion stuff followed by demon releases in 2-3 months) thing about Angron is we already have plastic Khorne Bezerkers, plastic blood thristers and a lot of other things, Khorn has gotten a TON of love which could delay a angron release. (on the other hand it could make things easier for one, really the only new kit WEs need IMHO is a terminator bezerker. toss that out and some other fun stuff like bezerkers riding hounds and I think it's set.
Hastings(who has had pretty much spot on track records) stated around time Guillimann specifically called out Guillimann, Mortarion, Magnus, Russ and Angon(didn't specify order except for Guillimann being first obviously since it was already known release)
Of course it's possible he was mistaken or things got changed afterwards.
??? Guilliman wasn't first (even of those listed).
Although I bought the new 40k rulebook and some of the new Primaris stuff and DG stuff, I'm actually more put off the game at the moment due to lack of variety.
It seems GW have made a game of Red Marines vs Blue Marines vs Green Marines vs Yellow Marines vs Silver Marines vs (new) Gold Marines vs Black Marines vs Dirty Evil Chaos Marines vs Rainbow Marines... etc.
So much for protecting mankind from the alien menace. What alien menace? They just fight amongst themselves.
Seriously, how many more main colours are there to sell a new flavour of Space Marines before we get Aliens?
Hastings(who has had pretty much spot on track records) stated around time Guillimann specifically called out Guillimann, Mortarion, Magnus, Russ and Angon(didn't specify order except for Guillimann being first obviously since it was already known release)
Of course it's possible he was mistaken or things got changed afterwards.
??? Guilliman wasn't first (even of those listed).
Huh? Was it Magnus then? Memory failing. Either way when first primarch was released Hastings named 5 primarch. Until another reliable source says otherwise I'm betting on those 5 being first 5 due to Hasting's track record.
BrianDavion wrote: I think we can be almost garnteed they won't put out two primarchs together. a Primarch is a big deal. they're "Headline events" and releasing two at once would over shadow one.
I also doubt we'll see Angron this year. IIRC none of the rumor mongers have suggested him, combined with some fluff where an attempt to summon him was topped. AND that he wasn't specificly mentioned in GS3 among the demon primarchs reacting to his return (Mortorian and fulgrim meanwhile where) makes me conclude Angron's not on their slate for the IMMEDIATE FUTURE. an d may be next year, if not "a couple of years off" possiably intended to be the "big splash" for 2019?
in fact, Bob of War of Sigmar (Lady Atia) has been saying there would be Khorne this year / summer.
That would be the occasion to release a World Eater codex, with plastic berserkers, plastic terminators, plastic flesh-hounds, 1-2 plastic characters and Angron.
(I.e. a Wrath of Magnus / Thousand sons sized release, coming with a campaign book).
That way, both World Eaters and Khorne Daemons ranges would be complete for 40k (AOS Blade of Khorne already done), that would just be another codex for this year...
... ending, as it should with all things Slaanesh , with Fulgrim & EC in November / Keeper Of Secret & Daemons for AOS in January, as we have seen for Tzeentch and Nurgle the last two years.
A Steel Legion/Ork campaign box would literally print money.
Plastic Greatcoats and new Orks .... I would be broke in an instant
Oh my Emperor I just realised a storm is brewing for Armageddon, with Orks getting a codex that month, imagine the campaign box and book being Warzone: Armageddon.
Orks vs Steel Legion, then release Angron and Khorne goodies along side the campaign...... be still my beating heart, I swear if this is the case.........Mighty Emperor......
Gimgamgoo wrote: Although I bought the new 40k rulebook and some of the new Primaris stuff and DG stuff, I'm actually more put off the game at the moment due to lack of variety.
It seems GW have made a game of Red Marines vs Blue Marines vs Green Marines vs Yellow Marines vs Silver Marines vs (new) Gold Marines vs Black Marines vs Dirty Evil Chaos Marines vs Rainbow Marines... etc.
So much for protecting mankind from the alien menace. What alien menace? They just fight amongst themselves.
Seriously, how many more main colours are there to sell a new flavour of Space Marines before we get Aliens?
You're not the only one bud. Hopefully we get a resurgence of the Xenos threat once more dexes are made available. Ideally there's a campaign focused on Xenos with new model releases but that might be too much to ask.
A Steel Legion/Ork campaign box would literally print money.
Plastic Greatcoats and new Orks .... I would be broke in an instant
Oh my Emperor I just realised a storm is brewing for Armageddon, with Orks getting a codex that month, imagine the campaign box and book being Warzone: Armageddon.
Orks vs Steel Legion, then release Angron and Khorne goodies along side the campaign...... be still my beating heart, I swear if this is the case.........Mighty Emperor......
I could see an Armageddon box with Orks. But not with Steel Legion. It will be Space Marines vs Orks instead. Because every box always has Space Marines. Space Marines sell better than anything else.
Plastic Steel Legion is kinda to IG players what the plastic Thunderhawk is to SM players. Something we would all really like to see, and for which rumours come up every now and then but which is likely never going to actually happen.
Which is a pity, since I would really like to have plastic Steel Legion to use as a base for conversions. If GW ever releases new plastic IG infantry, it will most likely just be new Cadians.
HorticulusDK wrote: I found one of the "Khorne for 2018 rumors". Note that Lady Atia and Bob don't seem to agree on the release order
As much as I Wish for Khorne, I trust Atia more than Bob. Btw her prediction of both Khorne and Slaanesh is a dead given, following the release of death Guard and 1k Sons.
A boxed game I have heard of, which may link into a 40k event/campaign is a "warhammer quest" style/based 40k game based in a necron tomb (note this could be a tomb world, tomb ship or necron tech, it was not clear) and apparently leads to a race to reclaim a relic between abaddon and guilliman and is a progression of the narrative.
Details were light, but was said to have some great references to rogue trader and earlier days of 40k lore.
necrontyrOG wrote: I trust Natfka rumors about as much as I trust the sushi at the gas station.
You do know Natfka never has and never will be any rumors source? He finds or is sent stuff and posts what he thinks might be credible or of interest.
That's like me saying I don't trust you if you posted a rumor you found and reposted here on Dakka.
Assuming some of those "anonymous sources" just aren't them making up for good clickbait to get moa $$$.
In any case all RELIABLE rumours you can get elsewhere and faster as well. There's literally no need to go through that site with made up junk with few copied elsewhere rumours. Just go for the original source.
cyphertheory wrote: A boxed game I have heard of, which may link into a summer 40k event/campaign is a "warhammer quest" style/based 40k game based in a necron tomb (note this could be a tomb world, tomb ship or necron tech, it was not clear) and apparently leads to a race to reclaim a relic between abaddon and guilliman and is a progression of the narrative.
Details were light, but was said to have some great references to rogue trader and earlier days of 40k lore.
This sounds legitimate, set a campaign in a Necron tomb/ship and then make it all about Imperium and Chaos.
cyphertheory wrote: A boxed game I have heard of, which may link into a summer 40k event/campaign is a "warhammer quest" style/based 40k game based in a necron tomb (note this could be a tomb world, tomb ship or necron tech, it was not clear) and apparently leads to a race to reclaim a relic between abaddon and guilliman and is a progression of the narrative.
Details were light, but was said to have some great references to rogue trader and earlier days of 40k lore.
That sounds like a fantastic take on the WQ system - if such a game amped up the ranged combat mechanics it would be exactly what I have been hoping for since the days of Gorkamorka (I always thought that style of game involving the Diggas, Muties, and Orc tribes in competition would be great fun)
cyphertheory wrote: A boxed game I have heard of, which may link into a 40k event/campaign is a "warhammer quest" style/based 40k game based in a necron tomb (note this could be a tomb world, tomb ship or necron tech, it was not clear) and apparently leads to a race to reclaim a relic between abaddon and guilliman and is a progression of the narrative.
Details were light, but was said to have some great references to rogue trader and earlier days of 40k lore.
How can I put this lightly? I would play the absolute gak out of that game! Though I could see it that it would be subordinates of Guilliman and Abaddon doing things.
It was inferred it was a narrative "race" as a backdrop, just for clarity
One other tidbit was "Genestealers, but not as we have seen them before" I have no idea what that was to be, when it was to be out etc, and I don't think it has a direct connection to the other stuff. I really don't stand behind it as something I am confidant is a solid rumour, just putting it out there. One to keep in the back of your mind I guess.
cyphertheory wrote:A boxed game I have heard of, which may link into a 40k event/campaign is a "warhammer quest" style/based 40k game based in a necron tomb (note this could be a tomb world, tomb ship or necron tech, it was not clear) and apparently leads to a race to reclaim a relic between abaddon and guilliman and is a progression of the narrative.
Details were light, but was said to have some great references to rogue trader and earlier days of 40k lore.
As a HUGE fan of WHQ, and a Necron player, I'm intrigued . . .
cyphertheory wrote:It was inferred it was a narrative "race" as a backdrop, just for clarity
One other tidbit was "Genestealers, but not as we have seen them before" I have no idea what that was to be, when it was to be out etc, and I don't think it has a direct connection to the other stuff. I really don't stand behind it as something I am confidant is a solid rumour, just putting it out there. One to keep in the back of your mind I guess.
Unless they get another new kit of some sort to expand their range, imperial knights would be best served by being rolled into a forces of the Imperium book with the other mini imperial factions to make a new Imperial agents book. No real need for a third codex based around a single kit.
I really wish they'd consolidate the different knights down to one. All they are are different weapon configurations which are even sometimes changeable as is. The current buckets support every configuration except one for some reason.
necrontyrOG wrote: I trust Natfka rumors about as much as I trust the sushi at the gas station.
You do know Natfka never has and never will be any rumors source? He finds or is sent stuff and posts what he thinks might be credible or of interest.
That's like me saying I don't trust you if you posted a rumor you found and reposted here on Dakka.
Assuming some of those "anonymous sources" just aren't them making up for good clickbait to get moa $$$.
In any case all RELIABLE rumours you can get elsewhere and faster as well. There's literally no need to go through that site with made up junk with few copied elsewhere rumours. Just go for the original source.
Well, he does aggregate.
But that being said, there is functionally no difference between making up your own rumors and posting rumors on your site that have not been posted anywhere else with a source of 'anonymous'. Also, if Natfka doesn't post the non-credible stuff, I would be amazed.
necrontyrOG wrote: I trust Natfka rumors about as much as I trust the sushi at the gas station.
You do know Natfka never has and never will be any rumors source? He finds or is sent stuff and posts what he thinks might be credible or of interest.
That's like me saying I don't trust you if you posted a rumor you found and reposted here on Dakka.
Assuming some of those "anonymous sources" just aren't them making up for good clickbait to get moa $$$.
In any case all RELIABLE rumours you can get elsewhere and faster as well. There's literally no need to go through that site with made up junk with few copied elsewhere rumours. Just go for the original source.
Can you please post links to the original source for all reliable rumors posted in the last 3 months. I don't know where to go, I'd prefer if there was a site that posted all of them but there are no such sites that are reliable.
So can you provide links to all the reliable rumors source so I know where to look?
so when BobtheTroll posts a detailed list of what's in the upcoming Cthulhu elves battletome we can check to see if he's
a reliable source (cool start planning your tactics),
a serial nonsense poster (ignore the info it's junk)
or a totally new rumour monger (the magic 8 ball suggest this is nonsense, but maybe something they've said might convince you it's good)
places that only attribute rumours to 'anonymous' it's all guesswork (since we can't gague how reliable the source is), and since more nonsense than genuine info is sent to you'd be better off ignoring them
MadCowCrazy wrote: Can you please post links to the original source for all reliable rumors posted in the last 3 months. I don't know where to go, I'd prefer if there was a site that posted all of them but there are no such sites that are reliable.
So can you provide links to all the reliable rumors source so I know where to look?
Though if we are following the trends for CSM releases we still have
-World Eaters
-Emperors Children
How GWS is going to release the remaining books is anyone's guess, but one's that are probably going to be separate books may be.
-World Eaters
-Emperors Children (much like the TS and DG they are single chaos god dedicated and would seam reasonable that the will get their own separate releases)
-Genestealer Cults
-Deathwatch
The remaining ones are could be anyone's guess and would be more so wish listing than anything. The Sob, Ministorum, Inquisition, Assasins, Imperial Knights, and SoS could be combined into one book of "Imperial Agents" similar to what we had at the tail end of the 7th edition which leave the question of where Renegade Knights are going to fit in (Dark Mechanicus ???? maybe ????).
My wish list would look something like this. I don't know where Renegade Knights would fit in because they are much like Imperial Knights, they have a handful or so of unit entries each.
Adeptus Ministorum ( Sob + Priests + one entry for an Ordo Heritic inquisitor with henchmen )
Imperial Agents ( Inquisition, Assasins, Knights, Sisters of Silence )
I will say if GW releases the Sisters of Silence as their own separate book (like custodes) and dose a whole "we're releasing plastic sisters" and the reveal ends up being the Sisters of Silence. They will piss off so many people.
Looking at what I saw left, there are 10 codexes to go assuming we divide the left over imperial stuff into Adeptus ministorum and imperial agents.
The end of February will see 13 codexes having been released in 7 months, with 4 of them getting major model support, so we will probably get through all the remaining codexes before the autumn.
I think the rumoured release scheduled look very plausible. It has been heavily rumoured that orks will be getting new buggies etc and the still unsolved rumour pic of the wheel would seem to corroborate this, so it makes sense to leave them to near the end.
I would love to see new dark Eldar minis but I doubt we will get much model support for them or the Tau and Necrons so having them come out at the same time as some major AOS releases makes sense.
We know that James Hewitt has designed a stand alone bond game for GW so the May release could well be that. A 40k spin on the warhammmer quest game he designed also sounds plausible. The only question is whether it will be a game using old models like gangs of commoragh, or a way of introducing some new stuff like Deathwatch overkill.
LunarSol wrote: The rumor I saw also lists Orks in June along with a campaign book and boxed set.
If GW has any business sense at all, it will be the 4th war for Armageddon. IG/Orks boxed set. No way they are going to release more marines after they just released primaris boxed set. A Steel Legion/Ork campaign box would literally print money.
I thought I saw a rumor a few months ago hinting at something like this? At least for new figures. I think it'd make a fine box set. Two of my favorites I'm waiting on new things for anyways!
LunarSol wrote: The rumor I saw also lists Orks in June along with a campaign book and boxed set.
If GW has any business sense at all, it will be the 4th war for Armageddon. IG/Orks boxed set. No way they are going to release more marines after they just released primaris boxed set. A Steel Legion/Ork campaign box would literally print money.
I thought I saw a rumor a few months ago hinting at something like this? At least for new figures. I think it'd make a fine box set. Two of my favorites I'm waiting on new things for anyways!
But...but...according to Dakka's armchair business experts, any faction that isn't already getting releases is a super poor seller with no market appeal!
Could...could armchair experts like that englishman guy be...wrong?!?!?
LunarSol wrote: The rumor I saw also lists Orks in June along with a campaign book and boxed set.
If GW has any business sense at all, it will be the 4th war for Armageddon. IG/Orks boxed set. No way they are going to release more marines after they just released primaris boxed set. A Steel Legion/Ork campaign box would literally print money.
I thought I saw a rumor a few months ago hinting at something like this? At least for new figures. I think it'd make a fine box set. Two of my favorites I'm waiting on new things for anyways!
Would be nice box but problem is it's unlikely. It depends on GW doing something they have never done before. Black templars vs orks would be LOT more likely.
LunarSol wrote: The rumor I saw also lists Orks in June along with a campaign book and boxed set.
If GW has any business sense at all, it will be the 4th war for Armageddon. IG/Orks boxed set. No way they are going to release more marines after they just released primaris boxed set. A Steel Legion/Ork campaign box would literally print money.
I thought I saw a rumor a few months ago hinting at something like this? At least for new figures. I think it'd make a fine box set. Two of my favorites I'm waiting on new things for anyways!
Would be nice box but problem is it's unlikely. It depends on GW doing something they have never done before. Black templars vs orks would be LOT more likely.
For a starter, agreed. It would let them put in a lot of things that need plastic, like a Crusader Squad and Emperor's Champion, while on the Ork side they could do Kommandos or Tankbustas, plus the usual Nobz/Boyz.
LunarSol wrote: The rumor I saw also lists Orks in June along with a campaign book and boxed set.
If GW has any business sense at all, it will be the 4th war for Armageddon. IG/Orks boxed set. No way they are going to release more marines after they just released primaris boxed set. A Steel Legion/Ork campaign box would literally print money.
I thought I saw a rumor a few months ago hinting at something like this? At least for new figures. I think it'd make a fine box set. Two of my favorites I'm waiting on new things for anyways!
Would be nice box but problem is it's unlikely. It depends on GW doing something they have never done before. Black templars vs orks would be LOT more likely.
For a starter, agreed. It would let them put in a lot of things that need plastic, like a Crusader Squad and Emperor's Champion, while on the Ork side they could do Kommandos or Tankbustas, plus the usual Nobz/Boyz.
Isn't a crusader squad just a mixed tatical squad and scout squad though?
But...but...according to Dakka's armchair business experts, any faction that isn't already getting releases is a super poor seller with no market appeal!
Could...could armchair experts like that englishman guy be...wrong?!?!?
No need to listen to the armchair experts, GW is making a killing doing exactly what theyre doing.
Everyone on dakka seems to have some great idea which would sell heaps, revolutionise 40k and make the whole community happy, without considering "Hmmm, GWs profits have just tripled, perhaps they do know what theyre doing..."
You dont get you customers spending money like that if they arent happy.
ERJAK wrote: But...but...according to Dakka's armchair business experts, any faction that isn't already getting releases is a super poor seller with no market appeal!
Could...could armchair experts like that englishman guy be...wrong?!?!?
Could you not lie about what I say please ERJAK, it's pretty pathetic. To misconstrue what I have repeated ten or more times now is pretty special, even for you.,
So. In regards to the chaos gods What I've noticed it:
AoS Nurgle Mortals and deamons got a good size release during Warhammer End Times, they then got a good sized on again just now. The Death Guard Releases took care of 40k nurgle mortals really well.
Tzeetch Deamons and AoS Mortals got a good sized release, and we got a 40k mortals release that has been well padded with AoS tzeentch mortals.
Khorn is in a wired spot. Khorn Deamons have been well represented with a slow trickle of releases over time, and AoS Khorn mortals got a big launch with AoS and the Stormcast. But.... Khorn 40k mortals have strangely been neglected? The 'zerker kit is painfully out of date.
Slaanesh is abysmal. 2 lords and 1 wired cavalry unit for AoS mortals, half the demons in finecast or in a plastics the many players didn't like, and a Finecast Conversion kit for 40k with all the heroes long OOP. Slaanesh almost needs a overhaul across the board to consolidate the aesthetic.I feel like fan reaction of the Diaz Deamonette reprint threw made to order made GW take notice.
Hopeful that was not to off topic, but something me and a friend were talking about tonight well shooting the gak.
MajorWesJanson wrote: For a starter, agreed. It would let them put in a lot of things that need plastic, like a Crusader Squad and Emperor's Champion, while on the Ork side they could do Kommandos or Tankbustas, plus the usual Nobz/Boyz.
With the increase in the size of normal infantry for both the new Death Guard Marines and Primaris, I could see any new Orks in the boxset being supersized as well, so either they will just increase the size of existing units or it'll be some new squads of Orks. I wouldn't be surprised for any loyalist Marine boxset to have at least one set of Primaris marines in the box for the same reason. It'd increase sales of the boxset to people who already have a ton of models for that faction, which is the primary reason for Primaris' existence.
MajorWesJanson wrote: For a starter, agreed. It would let them put in a lot of things that need plastic, like a Crusader Squad and Emperor's Champion, while on the Ork side they could do Kommandos or Tankbustas, plus the usual Nobz/Boyz.
With the increase in the size of normal infantry for both the new Death Guard Marines and Primaris, I could see any new Orks in the boxset being supersized as well, so either they will just increase the size of existing units or it'll be some new squads of Orks. I wouldn't be surprised for any loyalist Marine boxset to have at least one set of Primaris marines in the box for the same reason. It'd increase sales of the boxset to people who already have a ton of models for that faction, which is the primary reason for Primaris' existence.
Did someone say Super Sized Orks? I just about messed me pants!
But, yes. Agree with you mate. This game will soon have bigger models. I think it is due to both, sales/knock offs. Have you seen China's reprints? I REFUSE to buy them myself, infact.100% of all my Army's is GW. Btjm.
Lockark wrote: So. In regards to the chaos gods What I've noticed it:
AoS Nurgle Mortals and deamons got a good size release during Warhammer End Times, they then got a good sized on again just now. The Death Guard Releases took care of 40k nurgle mortals really well.
Tzeetch Deamons and AoS Mortals got a good sized release, and we got a 40k mortals release that has been well padded with AoS tzeentch mortals.
Khorn is in a wired spot. Khorn Deamons have been well represented with a slow trickle of releases over time, and AoS Khorn mortals got a big launch with AoS and the Stormcast. But.... Khorn 40k mortals have strangely been neglected? The 'zerker kit is painfully out of date.
Slaanesh is abysmal. 2 lords and 1 wired cavalry unit for AoS mortals, half the demons in finecast or in a plastics the many players didn't like, and a Finecast Conversion kit for 40k with all the heroes long OOP. Slaanesh almost needs a overhaul across the board to consolidate the aesthetic.I feel like fan reaction of the Diaz Deamonette reprint threw made to order made GW take notice.
Hopeful that was not to off topic, but something me and a friend were talking about tonight well shooting the gak.
40k Khorne and Slaanesh both need new releases on the scale of at least the Thousand Sons, and at best, the recent 40k Death Guard.
Khorne isn't doing THAT badly, comparatively; Plastic hounds are needed on the daemons side, but Khorne Daemons aren't doing too badly aside from that (with a named character Bloodthirster, no less). On the 40k side you have the Lord of Skulls, Kharn... and that's it, isn't it? They would need a troops box, an elites box and possibly a vehicle/walker. Maybe even a unique cultist replacement like the Tzaangors, either 40k'ed up Beastmen (or leave it generic 40k so it might be adopted by other armies) or something else.
But you're right, Slaanesh 40k is pretty dire. Off the top of my head they absolutely require:
Daemons:
Keeper of Secrets
Fiends
Mortals:
Noise Marine troops
An elites box
A character or two
Vehicle or walker
Possible Primarch at some point
The Primarchs, I think, are the key to these releases, though. It would seem unfair at best for these armies to have a large release without their primarchs accompanying, since Nurgle and Thousand Sons got theirs. So until you start hearing solid rumours of Angron and Fulgrim coming back I wouldn't get your hopes up.
I feel like Fulgrim is likely before Angron, however, if only for the fact that his conflict with Guilliman would serve up a great narrative for his return.
LunarSol wrote: The rumor I saw also lists Orks in June along with a campaign book and boxed set.
If GW has any business sense at all, it will be the 4th war for Armageddon. IG/Orks boxed set. No way they are going to release more marines after they just released primaris boxed set. A Steel Legion/Ork campaign box would literally print money.
I thought I saw a rumor a few months ago hinting at something like this? At least for new figures. I think it'd make a fine box set. Two of my favorites I'm waiting on new things for anyways!
Would be nice box but problem is it's unlikely. It depends on GW doing something they have never done before. Black templars vs orks would be LOT more likely.
For a starter, agreed. It would let them put in a lot of things that need plastic, like a Crusader Squad and Emperor's Champion, while on the Ork side they could do Kommandos or Tankbustas, plus the usual Nobz/Boyz.
Isn't a crusader squad just a mixed tatical squad and scout squad though?
Not if you want melee options. It's expensive (in £$€) to make just a basic 10-man squad with Chainswords without having them covered in blood drops or wolf pelts or eight-pointed stars.
If this is true then Orks, one of the initial armies in 40K get shafted out of a codex after not only the Tau but also the Necron. Two johnny come latelys get love before one of the founders. And I desperately want to see what they come up with for the clan rules.
Wow... I'm guessing most of the folks complaining weren't around back in 3rd edition (the last time there was a rules reset for the whole game) when you have to wait up to several years to get a codex since they only did 2-3 a year and the get you by rules make the index books look chock full of options. Keep your pants on and your tin foil hats off, folks. New books are coming out monthly (sometimes twice monthly).
Teigue wrote: If this is true then Orks, one of the initial armies in 40K get shafted out of a codex after not only the Tau but also the Necron. Two johnny come latelys get love before one of the founders. And I desperately want to see what they come up with for the clan rules.
Alternatively, being a later release alongside a campaign book could be an indicator that Orks are getting a significant model release. Unlike the Tau and Necrons who are most likely just getting a codex. Assuming its true...
Teigue wrote: If this is true then Orks, one of the initial armies in 40K get shafted out of a codex after not only the Tau but also the Necron. Two johnny come latelys get love before one of the founders. And I desperately want to see what they come up with for the clan rules.
Alternatively, being a later release alongside a campaign book could be an indicator that Orks are getting a significant model release. Unlike the Tau and Necrons who are most likely just getting a codex. Assuming its true...
thats my thought too. anew boxed set, campaign book and Orks codex almost certainly indicates a MAJOR ork release.
Teigue wrote: If this is true then Orks, one of the initial armies in 40K get shafted out of a codex after not only the Tau but also the Necron. Two johnny come latelys get love before one of the founders. And I desperately want to see what they come up with for the clan rules.
Alternatively, being a later release alongside a campaign book could be an indicator that Orks are getting a significant model release. Unlike the Tau and Necrons who are most likely just getting a codex. Assuming its true...
thats my thought too. anew boxed set, campaign book and Orks codex almost certainly indicates a MAJOR ork release.
warboss wrote: Wow... I'm guessing most of the folks complaining weren't around back in 3rd edition (the last time there was a rules reset for the whole game) when you have to wait up to several years to get a codex since they only did 2-3 a year and the get you by rules make the index books look chock full of options. Keep your pants on and your tin foil hats off, folks. New books are coming out monthly (sometimes twice monthly).
The initial 3rd ed codices were released much quicker than that when they were slim and without notable background. Aside from that, GW is still dropping 8th ed codices at an unprecedented speed.
This issue isn't whether Tau, Necrons or Orks deserve to be next in line, it's the unholy number of Marine codices GW wants to release first.
warboss wrote: Wow... I'm guessing most of the folks complaining weren't around back in 3rd edition (the last time there was a rules reset for the whole game) when you have to wait up to several years to get a codex since they only did 2-3 a year and the get you by rules make the index books look chock full of options. Keep your pants on and your tin foil hats off, folks. New books are coming out monthly (sometimes twice monthly).
The initial 3rd ed codices were released much quicker than that when they were slim and without notable background. Aside from that, GW is still dropping 8th ed codices at an unprecedented speed.
This issue isn't whether Tau, Necrons or Orks deserve to be next in line, it's the unholy number of Marine codices GW wants to release first.
First 6 months of 8th edition codices saw 10 books released of which 4 were nonmarine. The first 6 months of 3rd had 4 books released of which only 1 was non-marine (the Dark Eldar which likely only came so soon because they were in the starter box). It's still a big improvement on that front (400% more nonmarine books in the first 6 months). Things are noticeably better this time around. Even if Tau (I'm currently one) and Ork (used to be my favorite army hence my username here in 3rd edition) have to wait almost a year, it's still better than the approximately 2 1/2 years Nid and Necron players who only had their get you by rules (in the rulebook and iirc white dwarf for the latter) for so long. People need to be patient.
I didn't disagree with you, except on the 2-3 a year bit.
Codex-wise 8th ed is evidently better than any previous edition, provided you believe the codices do any good in the first place. In GW terms, I'm not sure anybody "needs to be patient" as GW is hardly taking their time this time around.
Also, on a purely personal note, I wasn't particularly bothered that my 4 Necron units (of the five total that existed) didn't immediately get a codex in 3rd ed.
Also, I'm pretty sure that the reason why we got so many marine codices (Vanilla, BA, DA) is that about 85% of the content is same. They want to get stuff published fast, so it makes sense to do DA and BA quickly after the vanilla marines as it really is not that much work.
Teigue wrote: If this is true then Orks, one of the initial armies in 40K get shafted out of a codex after not only the Tau but also the Necron. Two johnny come latelys get love before one of the founders. And I desperately want to see what they come up with for the clan rules.
How do Orks get shafted? Not sure what you mean by that. If anyone is getting shafted wouldn't that be the Sisters of Battle? I am curious what would you like?
I am guessing Tau and Necrons will be like Tyranids and not get new minis. Orks on the other hand being last could be getting a huge release like Nurgle. So you rather be like Tyranids and just get a new book or like Nurgle and get a big release?
warboss wrote: Wow... I'm guessing most of the folks complaining weren't around back in 3rd edition (the last time there was a rules reset for the whole game) when you have to wait up to several years to get a codex since they only did 2-3 a year and the get you by rules make the index books look chock full of options. Keep your pants on and your tin foil hats off, folks. New books are coming out monthly (sometimes twice monthly).
The initial 3rd ed codices were released much quicker than that when they were slim and without notable background. Aside from that, GW is still dropping 8th ed codices at an unprecedented speed.
This issue isn't whether Tau, Necrons or Orks deserve to be next in line, it's the unholy number of Marine codices GW wants to release first.
Took 2.5 years for tyranids appear. And after first year had less codexes out than 8th has now plus had less to cover.
Kanluwen wrote: So can we go ahead and lock this since Custodes are preordering on the 20th and releasing on the 27th of January?
So Codex, data cards, Terminators and Trajann pre order next week and probably the jet bikes and 2nd infantry squad the week after. That leaves the burning question, no dice?
warboss wrote: Wow... I'm guessing most of the folks complaining weren't around back in 3rd edition (the last time there was a rules reset for the whole game) when you have to wait up to several years to get a codex since they only did 2-3 a year and the get you by rules make the index books look chock full of options. Keep your pants on and your tin foil hats off, folks. New books are coming out monthly (sometimes twice monthly).
The initial 3rd ed codices were released much quicker than that when they were slim and without notable background. Aside from that, GW is still dropping 8th ed codices at an unprecedented speed.
This issue isn't whether Tau, Necrons or Orks deserve to be next in line, it's the unholy number of Marine codices GW wants to release first.
First 6 months of 8th edition codices saw 10 books released of which 4 were nonmarine. The first 6 months of 3rd had 4 books released of which only 1 was non-marine (the Dark Eldar which likely only came so soon because they were in the starter box). It's still a big improvement on that front (400% more nonmarine books in the first 6 months). Things are noticeably better this time around. Even if Tau (I'm currently one) and Ork (used to be my favorite army hence my username here in 3rd edition) have to wait almost a year, it's still better than the approximately 2 1/2 years Nid and Necron players who only had their get you by rules (in the rulebook and iirc white dwarf for the latter) for so long. People need to be patient.
Or to view the stats slightly differently, the non-marine releases are up a scant 15% on 3rd edition (60:40 over 75:25), so not vastly different
Still waiting to hear about the next Primarch too...
That would be a pretty good boxed set. Though we the only boxed set with new kits in it(besides characters) in recent memory was Death Masque with the included Deathwatch Veterans. With no plastic kits, Sisters would need a lot of new stuff.
Kanluwen wrote: So can we go ahead and lock this since Custodes are preordering on the 20th and releasing on the 27th of January?
So Codex, data cards, Terminators and Trajann pre order next week and probably the jet bikes and 2nd infantry squad the week after. That leaves the burning question, no dice?
the infantry squad is already avaliable, unless there is a reported third infantry squad I'm unaware of? wait yeah looking at the pics there is...
My guess is jet bikes for the 2nd week as well as some other bits of blobs. Maybe some terrain, Maybe the elder trimvirate split up?
it could also be they've got some suprises like custodes upgrade kits for vehicles etc.
My GUESS based on what we know thus far though the codex will consist of the following.
Elites:
Allarus custodes.
Contemptor Dreadnoughts
Those other infantry we saw.
Custodes Velixxa
Fast Attack:
Jet Bikes
Heavy Support:
Land Raiders (possiably with differant LR varients)
Fool's hope but maybe items:
Predator and vindicator tanks
Storm Raven (which IMHO would work quite nicely with the army)
the fast attack slot seems a little empty, but depending on how those jet bikes are rigged it could be fine. (we could be looking at a duel kit for two differant unit types after all) heavy support will depend on how many land raiders custodes get.
over all the codex IMHO is shaping up to be a little Grey Knightesque in that GW'll really try to push to see how much they can get out of a handfull of kits and some marine vehicles.
My only hope for Sisters is, that once they get their plastics (*fingers crossed so hard they're bleeding*) that the race they end up sharing a box set with is Necrons (so we can see some Sanctuary 101 in game acknowledgment/ representation).
Other than the Thousand Sons getting Tzaangor Skyfires in addition to Shamans and Enlightened (and the Mutalith), has anyone heard any other Sons rumors?
Already 8th has more codices than 4th or 5th ever, so I feel fairly confident they're gna keep up the pace and have pretty much every codex out by the summer. Even if that means limited model releases.
IMHO market saturation on models is far more of an issue than on books so they can't release that many new kits.
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Teigue wrote: If this is true then Orks, one of the initial armies in 40K get shafted out of a codex after not only the Tau but also the Necron. Two johnny come latelys get love before one of the founders. And I desperately want to see what they come up with for the clan rules.
How do Orks get shafted? Not sure what you mean by that. If anyone is getting shafted wouldn't that be the Sisters of Battle?
No, it would be the Squats. Unless they get an update, Sisters will never get better than 2nd place in the "shafted" depeartment.
Teigue wrote: If this is true then Orks, one of the initial armies in 40K get shafted out of a codex after not only the Tau but also the Necron. Two johnny come latelys get love before one of the founders. And I desperately want to see what they come up with for the clan rules.
How do Orks get shafted? Not sure what you mean by that. If anyone is getting shafted wouldn't that be the Sisters of Battle?
No, it would be the Squats. Unless they get an update, Sisters will never get better than 2nd place in the "shafted" depeartment.
Squats are the ultimate posterchild for getting the ass end of everything GW has done since 2nd edition. Sisters are a close second tho.
Earth127 wrote: Already 8th has more codices than 4th or 5th ever, so I feel fairly confident they're gna keep up the pace and have pretty much every codex out by the summer. Even if that means limited model releases.
IMHO market saturation on models is far more of an issue than on books so they can't release that many new kits.
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I think GW aknowledges the model saturation too, which is why we've mostly been getting NEW things. hence why most of the 8th edition models thus far have been new factions. even Primaris Marines could quality for that to a degree
Teigue wrote: If this is true then Orks, one of the initial armies in 40K get shafted out of a codex after not only the Tau but also the Necron. Two johnny come latelys get love before one of the founders. And I desperately want to see what they come up with for the clan rules.
How do Orks get shafted? Not sure what you mean by that. If anyone is getting shafted wouldn't that be the Sisters of Battle?
No, it would be the Squats. Unless they get an update, Sisters will never get better than 2nd place in the "shafted" depeartment.
Disagree. Squats have been dead & buried, officially, for 6 editions and over 20 years. They've become a literal joke, like Fishmen were for WHF. There was never any serious expectation they'd get an update, certainly not as "themselves"(there was that brief moment when people thought we might get a new "space dwarf archetype" race with the Demiurg, but that went nowhere). Newcromunda is the first mention they've had to suggest they weren't all eaten by Tyranids, and that's only there because the head SG guy is a big fan of Rogue Trader and is evidently intent on inflicting that on the rest of us.
Sisters, meanwhile, have supposedly been an active, supported, "they'll get updated eventually honest guv" army for almost all of that time yet have been consistently screwed over. People have had their hopes for a proper update for them raised and dashed so many times that the joke there has become their cynicism over Sisters rumours.
It's a gakky trophy, but Sisters win it by a country mile.
I went to my local GW shop 2 days ago and mentioned tau and necron releases in March and the shop manager was a bit surprised.
He was told by superiors that there was a HUGE AOS release was uphand. death thing book was coming, the Malign Portents is coming and that the summer campaign was going to be AOS to. (Because last year was 40k)
I hope the rumors are still true that the drop in codex release will be after Necrons (which is in fact what the rumor is telling, a few months no 40k and then Orks!)
Well store managers generally don't get to know months ahead any more than regular customers. Depending on activity of individual customer is more likely to know what's coming up!
As for drop off...This rumour says 2 in march, 2 in april, 1 in may, 1 in june and that covers pretty much all major factions. Not much of a drop IMO if true.
I was reading back after I posted it and did see there are more rumors of codexes in the following months.
He did say he wasn't that sure, but just said not to have too much hope for necrons this soon (as I am a necron player)
I do know shop managers don't get that much info, but just wanted to let you know what he said.
There still is a 0,001% chance is actually knows something. right? :-)
Krull wrote: I was reading back after I posted it and did see there are more rumors of codexes in the following months.
He did say he wasn't that sure, but just said not to have too much hope for necrons this soon (as I am a necron player)
I do know shop managers don't get that much info, but just wanted to let you know what he said.
There still is a 0,001% chance is actually knows something. right? :-)
You have to mind Dakka sadly. No matter what anyone says, Dakka will be there to say you are wrong. While most of us appreciate what you have mentioned, there will always be someone on the internet to say something to put an opposite spin on what someone has said. Thanks for sharing and don't be discouraged to keep sharing.
Sisters of Battle aren't going to get new figures. They already have a range of metal figures, and GW seem to dislike remaking models they already sell.
I think they're going to flesh out Sisters of Silence instead, as the new Sisters army in plastic. Makes sense to me. Means people who already have an army of SoB now have new units to want, and anyone who was interested in SoB now get an alternative who're pretty much the same but plastic.
I think that's what the rumour of, "look to summer," is going to be personally.
Tiberius501 wrote: Sisters of Battle aren't going to get new figures. They already have a range of metal figures, and GW seem to dislike remaking models they already sell.
I think they're going to flesh out Sisters of Silence instead, as the new Sisters army in plastic. Makes sense to me. Means people who already have an army of SoB now have new units to want, and anyone who was interested in SoB now get an alternative who're pretty much the same but plastic.
I think that's what the rumour of, "look to summer," is going to be personally.
A) Making Sisters of Silence to replace Sisters of battle is a lot like making Tau to replace Heretic Astartes(both predominately male armies that wear armor. Practically identical tbh)
B. Again, I must emphasize, Sisters of Silence are NOT an acceptable replacement for SoB. 'Oh hey guys, we know you really love space wolves so we released 40k upgrade sprues for AoS fyreslayers because it was the baller facial hair you wanted right?'
C) Which GW doesn't like remaking figures they already sell? Certainly not the one that owns 40k? Because the one that owns 40k has remade: Rubric marines, Kharn, Typhus, Ahriman, Plague marines, beasts of Nurgle, Bloodthirsters, Great unclean ones, Cypher, AND Celestine.
There are some very valid reasons to think SoB won't be getting new models anytime soon, if ever, but 'SoS instead' alongside 'GW doesn't do remakes even though they do constantly' are idiotic.
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tneva82 wrote: Well store managers generally don't get to know months ahead any more than regular customers. Depending on activity of individual customer is more likely to know what's coming up!
As for drop off...This rumour says 2 in march, 2 in april, 1 in may, 1 in june and that covers pretty much all major factions. Not much of a drop IMO if true.
Yeah, all major factions...except for like...5-10 of them but w/e chaos gets their unnecessary hairsplitting books so everything's fine right?
Tiberius501 wrote: Sisters of Battle aren't going to get new figures. They already have a range of metal figures, and GW seem to dislike remaking models they already sell.
I think they're going to flesh out Sisters of Silence instead, as the new Sisters army in plastic. Makes sense to me. Means people who already have an army of SoB now have new units to want, and anyone who was interested in SoB now get an alternative who're pretty much the same but plastic.
I think that's what the rumour of, "look to summer," is going to be personally.
A) Making Sisters of Silence to replace Sisters of battle is a lot like making Tau to replace Heretic Astartes(both predominately male armies that wear armor. Practically identical tbh)
B. Again, I must emphasize, Sisters of Silence are NOT an acceptable replacement for SoB. 'Oh hey guys, we know you really love space wolves so we released 40k upgrade sprues for AoS fyreslayers because it was the baller facial hair you wanted right?'
C) Which GW doesn't like remaking figures they already sell? Certainly not the one that owns 40k? Because the one that owns 40k has remade: Rubric marines, Kharn, Typhus, Ahriman, Plague marines, beasts of Nurgle, Bloodthirsters, Great unclean ones, Cypher, AND Celestine.
There are some very valid reasons to think SoB won't be getting new models anytime soon, if ever, but 'SoS instead' alongside 'GW doesn't do remakes even though they do constantly' are idiotic.
Let me know when they redo all those metal guard regiments that they keep saying still hold up Would GW want to remake a model range they already sell? Or flesh out one they just started first? Just sayin'
Tiberius501 wrote: Sisters of Battle aren't going to get new figures. They already have a range of metal figures, and GW seem to dislike remaking models they already sell.
I think they're going to flesh out Sisters of Silence instead, as the new Sisters army in plastic. Makes sense to me. Means people who already have an army of SoB now have new units to want, and anyone who was interested in SoB now get an alternative who're pretty much the same but plastic.
I think that's what the rumour of, "look to summer," is going to be personally.
A) Making Sisters of Silence to replace Sisters of battle is a lot like making Tau to replace Heretic Astartes(both predominately male armies that wear armor. Practically identical tbh)
B. Again, I must emphasize, Sisters of Silence are NOT an acceptable replacement for SoB. 'Oh hey guys, we know you really love space wolves so we released 40k upgrade sprues for AoS fyreslayers because it was the baller facial hair you wanted right?'
C) Which GW doesn't like remaking figures they already sell? Certainly not the one that owns 40k? Because the one that owns 40k has remade: Rubric marines, Kharn, Typhus, Ahriman, Plague marines, beasts of Nurgle, Bloodthirsters, Great unclean ones, Cypher, AND Celestine.
There are some very valid reasons to think SoB won't be getting new models anytime soon, if ever, but 'SoS instead' alongside 'GW doesn't do remakes even though they do constantly' are idiotic.
Let me know when they redo all those metal guard regiments that they keep saying still hold up Would GW want to remake a model range they already sell? Or flesh out one they just started first? Just sayin'
Peace
This last year they redid the Tau Fire Warriors and Crisis Suits so yeah - though my hope is on plastic Eldar Aspect warriors moreso than Sisters.
So yeah, this leak seems kinda unreliable, as the moving of custodes to late January means only one codex in February. Which would be an odd call, as that means that even at two a month for every following month we'd still be looking at august before things got totally taken care of. Which is a bit behind their initial estimate I think.
Order might be correct, but honestly that's probably jut guess work, the two codices after tsons are pretty obvious.
March white scars, emperor's children both with primarchs
April salamanders, black templar, more shade spire stuff
May world eaters, aos aelves.
June Sisters of silence, space wolves.
It is the year 2029. There has not been a non-power armoured codex in living memory. Games Workshop drones sweep the streets, destroying any who remember what a "Zeno" was. It is only known that in the year 2018, they began with a codex for every traitor legion: Emperor's Children, World Eaters, Word Bearers, Iron Hands, even Alpha Legion. Then came the Minotaurs codex. Then the Novamarines. Then the Lamenters. Each had only 1 or 2 units, but their hardback codexes cost £40 each.
It is the 3rd millenium, and there is only Power Armour.
Yodhrin wrote: Well that new one hardly seems more reliable, I thought Orlocks and GW2 in February was already confirmed?
The 4chan schedule (EDIT : spoilered in the first post, page 1 of this thread) was apparently an amalgamation of :
- Heachi rumors,
- Already known (according to you now, and other posters IIRC) Specialist Games rumors (Shadespire, Necromunda, Bloodbowl) and,
- (as usual) total bullgak.
My post above (i.e. the attachment) was only to add to this the 2 new Heachi rumors : Space Wolves end of August, Orks with Kult of speed new minis (fitting the Rumor engine below) in December.
Those new rumors also mean the 4chan schedule is (most probably) false from June to the end of the year.
T'was just to say. But so far Heachi seems pretty reliable. We'll see with T'au and Necrons Codex.
P.-S. : and I just added Thebiggesthat rumor - who teased the GUO before last year 40k open day - saying Slaanesh (Keeper of Secret) was coming for 40k and AoS end 2018 / start 2019.
Well there are a lot of safe bets in that rumour. Custodes, death Malign portents, Necromunda’s remaining gangs, shadespire and an AOS global campaign have all already been confirmed.
New cult of speed for orks has been rumoured for ages and we have the rumour image of the wheel to add weight to this. The only surprise is seeing them as late As December.
AOS Aelves have also been heavily rumoured for more than a year with several rumour images lending weight to this.
We are of course going to get codexes for Tau, dark Eldar, Harlequins, space wolves and Orks some time this year as they are the major remaining codexes.
We are almost certainly getting a release of Adeptus Titanicus, probably in November to continue the one game a year policy for the specialist studios.
We know that James Hewitt has written one stand alone game for GW. We may well get that this year. It may even be the rumoured warhammer 40k quest game.
We have the next preview event at Lvo on Thursday which will probably reveal the next codex or two, so we should see how reliable these dates are then.
For me the remaining juicy questions for 2018 are:
Slaanesh? New Xenos? New 40k starter? Death models? Next Primarch? Plastic Sisters???
Chikout wrote: Well there are a lot of safe bets in that rumour. Custodes, death Malign portents, Necromunda’s remaining gangs, shadespire and an AOS global campaign have all already been confirmed.
New cult of speed for orks has been rumoured for ages and we have the rumour image of the wheel to add weight to this. The only surprise is seeing them as late As December.
AOS Aelves have also been heavily rumoured for more than a year with several rumour images lending weight to this.
We are of course going to get codexes for Tau, dark Eldar, Harlequins, space wolves and Orks some time this year as they are the major remaining codexes.
We are almost certainly getting a release of Adeptus Titanicus, probably in November to continue the one game a year policy for the specialist studios.
We know that James Hewitt has written one stand alone game for GW. We may well get that this year. It may even be the rumoured warhammer 40k quest game.
We have the next preview event at Lvo on Thursday which will probably reveal the next codex or two, so we should see how reliable these dates are then.
For me the remaining juicy questions for 2018 are:
Slaanesh? New Xenos? New 40k starter? Death models? Next Primarch? Plastic Sisters???
For the safe bets part - that's what I meant, and what people've been saying since the beginning of the thread
The Heachi rumors are just information about the release order.
As you say, the LVO seminar should confirm (or not) this order.
Which will led (or not) credence to the AELVES rumor.
For the Specialist game :
- Good to add to the WHU, Necro and BB rumors the ones about the JH game and Titanicus.
For the AOS rumors :
- From the last Phil Kelly twitch interview, and from other MP stuff : Lord Relictor clampack, models for the 4 Harbingers factions (either Battletome or 1-2 kits).
(Which means less time for Codex with new models range.)
For the juicy part :
- Yeah ! Only thing I find ... silly is the new 40k sarter set, given that Dark Imperium is not even one year old.
What could (should) come after the AOS summer global campaign is an AOS new edition : 3 years since the launch, the GHB 1 and 2, new FAQ system, new Battletome format, new logo : we really could get a new starter set too (also : while keeping the Thunder and Blood boxset).
We are of course going to get codexes for Tau, dark Eldar, Harlequins, space wolves and Orks some time this year as they are the major remaining codexes.
Chikout wrote: Well there are a lot of safe bets in that rumour. Custodes, death Malign portents, Necromunda’s remaining gangs, shadespire and an AOS global campaign have all already been confirmed.
New cult of speed for orks has been rumoured for ages and we have the rumour image of the wheel to add weight to this. The only surprise is seeing them as late As December.
AOS Aelves have also been heavily rumoured for more than a year with several rumour images lending weight to this.
We are of course going to get codexes for Tau, dark Eldar, Harlequins, space wolves and Orks some time this year as they are the major remaining codexes.
We are almost certainly getting a release of Adeptus Titanicus, probably in November to continue the one game a year policy for the specialist studios.
We know that James Hewitt has written one stand alone game for GW. We may well get that this year. It may even be the rumoured warhammer 40k quest game.
We have the next preview event at Lvo on Thursday which will probably reveal the next codex or two, so we should see how reliable these dates are then.
For me the remaining juicy questions for 2018 are:
Slaanesh? New Xenos? New 40k starter? Death models? Next Primarch? Plastic Sisters???
The Tau forum guy said Custodes were coming January/February back in November, so quite a bit before it was confirmed or even hinted at.
Tiberius501 wrote: Sisters of Battle aren't going to get new figures. They already have a range of metal figures, and GW seem to dislike remaking models they already sell.
I think they're going to flesh out Sisters of Silence instead, as the new Sisters army in plastic. Makes sense to me. Means people who already have an army of SoB now have new units to want, and anyone who was interested in SoB now get an alternative who're pretty much the same but plastic.
I think that's what the rumour of, "look to summer," is going to be personally.
They remade Rubric Marines, and Plague Marines, and Plaguebearers - not to mention i'm sure they want to be out of the metal business.
Tiberius501 wrote:Sisters of Battle aren't going to get new figures. They already have a range of metal figures, and GW seem to dislike remaking models they already sell.
This makes no sense at all. If true how come we keep getting Space Marines updated? Especially the Primaris marines? No your statement is completely wrong. Please explain why GW dislike to remaking models they already sell since Space Marines are the biggest sellers.
An Actual Englishman wrote:December?! But new minis?!!!? But December!?!? New minis tho?!
TedNugent wrote:December
Well, the only good thing I can think of is for waiting for December is to start saving NOW.
I just question if this is going to be a big/huge release, why just before Christmas when lots of us need Christmas money instead of hobby money at the time.
Tiberius501 wrote:Sisters of Battle aren't going to get new figures. They already have a range of metal figures, and GW seem to dislike remaking models they already sell.
This makes no sense at all. If true how come we keep getting Space Marines updated? Especially the Primaris marines? No your statement is completely wrong. Please explain why GW dislike to remaking models they already sell since Space Marines are the biggest sellers.
They remade Plague Marines
They remade most Greater Daemons (e.g. GUO)
They remade Tau Firewarriors & Crisis Suits
They remade Harlequins and Eldar Wraithbone stuff
They remade Tac Marines even before Primaris came out
They remade Celestine
Etc...
Tiberius501 wrote:Sisters of Battle aren't going to get new figures. They already have a range of metal figures, and GW seem to dislike remaking models they already sell.
This makes no sense at all. If true how come we keep getting Space Marines updated? Especially the Primaris marines? No your statement is completely wrong. Please explain why GW dislike to remaking models they already sell since Space Marines are the biggest sellers.
Tiberius501 wrote:Sisters of Battle aren't going to get new figures. They already have a range of metal figures, and GW seem to dislike remaking models they already sell.
This makes no sense at all. If true how come we keep getting Space Marines updated? Especially the Primaris marines? No your statement is completely wrong. Please explain why GW dislike to remaking models they already sell since Space Marines are the biggest sellers.
They remade Plague Marines
They remade most Greater Daemons (e.g. GUO)
They remade Tau Firewarriors & Crisis Suits
They remade Harlequins and Eldar Wraithbone stuff
They remade Tac Marines even before Primaris came out
They remade Celestine
Etc...
As I remember it, the last time Jes Goodwin was asked about this subject on Warhammer TV, he said some along the lines of there being many things that the designers were not interested in remaking because they felt they were already as good as they could be.
It seems to the case that GW will remake some things because they think they can do them better (Primaris marines, Plague Marines, Greater Daemons perhaps), and some things they may never touch because the design and minis are already good despite them being resin (Aspect Warriors perhaps).
Soo... Orks will be the last major codex this edition (again).
Not really working in 8:th but also not working in 9:th. Screwed once again!
It's still rumor, maybe Orks are "end of year" instead of pure "December". And you can be sure that 8th edition does NOT end in December 2018 !
I'd bet we'll also see new factions (like World Eater, Adeptus Ministorum or Emperor's Children - if they didn't come sooner) in second half 2018 and in 2019, 2020, etc.
As I remember it, the last time Jes Goodwin was asked about this subject on Warhammer TV, he said some along the lines of there being many things that the designers were not interested in remaking because they felt they were already as good as they could be.
It seems to the case that GW will remake some things because they think they can do them better (Primaris marines, Plague Marines, Greater Daemons perhaps), and some things they may never touch because the design and minis are already good despite them being resin (Aspect Warriors perhaps).
Sure. It is entirely possible that some things will not get new miniatures. But the statement GW never revisits old miniatures is evidently wrong. And for the specific context of Sisters, GW did feel Celestine needed a new model and didn't just package the old one with that first Triumvirate Box. So IF (!) Sisters were to get an update, it's not implausible they'd get new miniatures at the same time (though it is likewise not impossible they will simply not be updated).
Bike kit is pretty much good for now. Need buggies, trakks, and deffkoptas. And a boss on bike would be appreciated. Plus tank bustas and kommandos need plastic kits, as do wyrdboys.
So I just looked through the GW store and saw that the broadside battlesuit kit is, "no longer available." Anyone else hear anything about what this is heading for? Other then the possible chance we are getting a new kit for it with some extra goodies maybe?
Also, sorry if this seems odd to just drop here. Not 100% sure where I should have dropped this
UK has fire warriors out of stock as well ... initially I thought of it too but is just one of those times when online stock runs out for a period of time
I noticed that the other night too, but it's probably nothing. Apparently that happens with kits from time to time and they just pop back up in the store later.
It's weird that they list it as "no longer available" instead of just "out of stock" like that, but I highly doubt it means there's a new kit coming since that one is barely 5 years old (came out during the mid-2013 Tau update back in 6th edition). I don't see it being a simple repackaging either since they just did that with the late 2015 update, too (it got the new transfer sheet and the box with the minimalist black background). If anything I could see them coming up with a new broadside variant and throwing an extra sprue in the box but that would probably be a waste, because then they'd "have" to jack the price up to like $75-80+ and no one's going to pay that much for a broadside.
aracersss wrote: UK has fire warriors out of stock as well ... initially I thought of it too but is just one of those times when online stock runs out for a period of time
Well I wasn't sure, but it it says, "No longer available", not "currently out of stock", like some of the other kits in the US store. That's what sent up a red flag for me. Are they the same thing?
"No longer available" tends to mean they're changing something significant (contents, box, bases, instructions etc) ie if it comes back it's not the same kit
MajorWesJanson wrote: Bike kit is pretty much good for now. Need buggies, trakks, and deffkoptas. And a boss on bike would be appreciated. Plus tank bustas and kommandos need plastic kits, as do wyrdboys.
A bigger Ork release, which I suspected they would get (them and the Woofs), would be the perfect time to redo Buggies, Trakks and actually release a Deffkopta kit.
A plastic combined Tankbusta/Kommando kit would be nice, but I just don't see them doing it. We might get some more plastic clampack characters with dumb names though.
I'm going to go ahead and call BS on the ork codex December 2018, given they seem to be on track to releasing everything by August/September, which is the original timeframe they told us. An ork codex that late either means codices start coming out at half the current rate or there are multiple months where we get none. Neither seems likely, at least as a planned choice, and it's too early for a delay to be that noticeable and push things back that far.
SilverAlien wrote: I'm going to go ahead and call BS on the ork codex December 2018, given they seem to be on track to releasing everything by August/September, which is the original timeframe they told us. An ork codex that late either means codices start coming out at half the current rate or there are multiple months where we get none. Neither seems likely, at least as a planned choice, and it's too early for a delay to be that noticeable and push things back that far.
Soo... Orks will be the last major codex this edition (again).
Not really working in 8:th but also not working in 9:th. Screwed once again!
And what you mean "again"? Seeing orks have yet to be last major codex in any edition yet.
And anyway not buying. As said this would mean GW lied about putting all (major) faction codexes in a year at a time they already knew what products would be released within year. Don't see why they would bother with such a lie.
Soo... Orks will be the last major codex this edition (again).
Not really working in 8:th but also not working in 9:th. Screwed once again!
And what you mean "again"? Seeing orks have yet to be last major codex in any edition yet.
And anyway not buying. As said this would mean GW lied about putting all (major) faction codexes in a year at a time they already knew what products would be released within year. Don't see why they would bother with such a lie.
Also, who says there IS going to be a 9th edition? They could literally just pack new rules for cover (which is the big glaring flaw of 8th) and w/e they decide needs changing, into CA and call it a day.
That's like saying "does GW hate money"? There will be 9th ed. GW's whole business plan is shifting meta randomly around so people are buying new armies and new models. They don't settle for edition. Why would they? Changing rules helps shifting models. It's not coincidence they get nice spikes in sales around the time new editions are released...
Damn, it's really hard to believe this but I really WANT to believe it. Imagine if the Necron side was Maynarkh, with a Xun'bakyr model and updated flayed ones... *drool*
Damn, it's really hard to believe this but I really WANT to believe it. Imagine if the Necron side was Maynarkh, with a Xun'bakyr model and updated flayed ones... *drool*
I assume it would be like the boxes we got in 7th with existing models and a new character on each side.
Damn, it's really hard to believe this but I really WANT to believe it. Imagine if the Necron side was Maynarkh, with a Xun'bakyr model and updated flayed ones... *drool*
Anonymous source...so more likely faeith making crap up to get more $$$...
Damn, it's really hard to believe this but I really WANT to believe it. Imagine if the Necron side was Maynarkh, with a Xun'bakyr model and updated flayed ones... *drool*
It's not loyalist Space Marines as one half of the box, therefore we can safely dismiss this.
Hmm, it's been pointed out that the AdMech codex's timeline actually has a LOT of Necron activity detailed within; apparently the Necrons are trying to resecure deposits of the material that the Cadian pylons are made of in an effort to contain the Chaos threat, which is a problem for the Mechanicum because many of the Forge Worlds were built on deposits of the stuff. Compared to, say, the timeline in the Space Marines codex, Necrons are only mentioned once.
Damn, it's really hard to believe this but I really WANT to believe it. Imagine if the Necron side was Maynarkh, with a Xun'bakyr model and updated flayed ones... *drool*
LOL, It's totally not happening but I'd love if it were true.
Arachnofiend wrote: Hmm, it's been pointed out that the AdMech codex's timeline actually has a LOT of Necron activity detailed within; apparently the Necrons are trying to resecure deposits of the material that the Cadian pylons are made of in an effort to contain the Chaos threat, which is a problem for the Mechanicum because many of the Forge Worlds were built on deposits of the stuff. Compared to, say, the timeline in the Space Marines codex, Necrons are only mentioned once.
I want to belieeeeve
I don't. New models might be interesting, but I've heard this song before and it's not one I care to hear again - GW have a history of making the AdMech look like chumps when Necrons or C'tan are involved.
Arachnofiend wrote: Hmm, it's been pointed out that the AdMech codex's timeline actually has a LOT of Necron activity detailed within; apparently the Necrons are trying to resecure deposits of the material that the Cadian pylons are made of in an effort to contain the Chaos threat, which is a problem for the Mechanicum because many of the Forge Worlds were built on deposits of the stuff. Compared to, say, the timeline in the Space Marines codex, Necrons are only mentioned once.
I want to belieeeeve
I don't. New models might be interesting, but I've heard this song before and it's not one I care to hear again - GW have a history of making the AdMech look like chumps when Necrons or C'tan are involved.
That's because they are, the admech more or less worship a c'tan in some respects. Beyond that it's stagnated technology that barely works without a prayer vs galaxy conquering technology that's tried and tested.
Don't get me wrong they can tear chunks out of one another fluff wise but if a tomb world wanted a forgeworld gone, they'd be the ones to do it.
The admech couldn't stop three necron ships from landing on Mars, one of the most fortified planets in the IoM. Of course as with all 40k power comparisons, it depends on who has plot armor at the moment. But one thing we can say for certain is The ad mech is absoluetly ameatuer hour compared with the necrons when it comes to technology.
Arachnofiend wrote: Hmm, it's been pointed out that the AdMech codex's timeline actually has a LOT of Necron activity detailed within; apparently the Necrons are trying to resecure deposits of the material that the Cadian pylons are made of in an effort to contain the Chaos threat, which is a problem for the Mechanicum because many of the Forge Worlds were built on deposits of the stuff. Compared to, say, the timeline in the Space Marines codex, Necrons are only mentioned once.
I want to belieeeeve
I don't. New models might be interesting, but I've heard this song before and it's not one I care to hear again - GW have a history of making the AdMech look like chumps when Necrons or C'tan are involved.
I mean, I'm an ex-Necron player looking for an excuse to get back into the army (which is going to be harder with how good the Thousand Sons codex looks...).
But to drum up a little excitement on the AdMech side, I have two words for you: Skitarii Prime.
Arachnofiend wrote: Hmm, it's been pointed out that the AdMech codex's timeline actually has a LOT of Necron activity detailed within; apparently the Necrons are trying to resecure deposits of the material that the Cadian pylons are made of in an effort to contain the Chaos threat, which is a problem for the Mechanicum because many of the Forge Worlds were built on deposits of the stuff. Compared to, say, the timeline in the Space Marines codex, Necrons are only mentioned once.
I want to belieeeeve
I don't. New models might be interesting, but I've heard this song before and it's not one I care to hear again - GW have a history of making the AdMech look like chumps when Necrons or C'tan are involved.
That's because they are, the admech more or less worship a c'tan in some respects. Beyond that it's stagnated technology that barely works without a prayer vs galaxy conquering technology that's tried and tested.
And that garbage is exactly what I'm on about - Graham McNeill has a lot to answer for with the pish he came up with for Mechanicum. The AdMech existed long before either Dread Cthulu Robotmen or Ripoff Egyptian Robotmen, and their story was far superior before any Necron nonsense was involved; doing so robs them of all agency, and so robs their story of all meaning. As they were before(and still are as far as I'm concerned - the one good thing about the Mat Ward Tomb Kings Iiiin Spaaaaace! rewrite was that it allows Mechanicum's rubbish to be read in a way that nullifies the original intent of it) the Mechanicus were an appropriately grimdark Transhumanist cautionary tale, an example of how human nature and extreme circumstances can just as easily turn technology to dystopia as utopia. The Dragon vs Goldenboy BS completely and fatally undermines all that because without agency, without choice, the genesis and eventual end state of the Mechanicus doesn't say anything about humanity at all, it's merely another bit of Just As Planned hyping to try and make the Emperor look like a brain-genius despite all his obvious and catastrophic mistakes.
More than that though - AdMech aren't just part of the backstory any more, they're a faction of their own; what other faction in the game is presented as a complete, objective stooge for another? I'm not talking about Codex fluff presenting each given army as being the bestest and most awesomest ever, what other faction basically has "and everything they believe and ever did believe and everything their whole society is based on is a total lie and really they're just budget-brand [Other Faction]" tacked on at the end of all their lore? How would Necron players like it if GW put out a novel that pulled some ACKSHOOALEE nonsense whereby Necrons have really been Chaos Androids all along like the original iteration of the models, and their favoured faction has been played like a fiddle by another one since the beginning? The whole festering carbuncle is a relic of an era of background writing - one where they desperately wanted to make people accept the new faction was Really Important and so inserted the C'tan into everyone else's history as much as possible - that GW have stated they supposedly wanted to get away from.
More than that though - AdMech aren't just part of the backstory any more, they're a faction of their own; what other faction in the game is presented as a complete, objective stooge for another? I'm not talking about Codex fluff presenting each given army as being the bestest and most awesomest ever, what other faction basically has "and everything they believe and ever did believe and everything their whole society is based on is a total lie and really they're just budget-brand [Other Faction]" tacked on at the end of all their lore?
More than that though - AdMech aren't just part of the backstory any more, they're a faction of their own; what other faction in the game is presented as a complete, objective stooge for another? I'm not talking about Codex fluff presenting each given army as being the bestest and most awesomest ever, what other faction basically has "and everything they believe and ever did believe and everything their whole society is based on is a total lie and really they're just budget-brand [Other Faction]" tacked on at the end of all their lore?
Yodhrin wrote: More than that though - AdMech aren't just part of the backstory any more, they're a faction of their own; what other faction in the game is presented as a complete, objective stooge for another? I'm not talking about Codex fluff presenting each given army as being the bestest and most awesomest ever, what other faction basically has "and everything they believe and ever did believe and everything their whole society is based on is a total lie and really they're just budget-brand [Other Faction]" tacked on at the end of all their lore?
Sisters of Battle? Budget Space Marines, believing a lie invented by bigger Space Marine (Lorgar)?
Yodhrin wrote: More than that though - AdMech aren't just part of the backstory any more, they're a faction of their own; what other faction in the game is presented as a complete, objective stooge for another? I'm not talking about Codex fluff presenting each given army as being the bestest and most awesomest ever, what other faction basically has "and everything they believe and ever did believe and everything their whole society is based on is a total lie and really they're just budget-brand [Other Faction]" tacked on at the end of all their lore?
Sisters of Battle? Budget Space Marines, believing a lie invented by bigger Space Marine (Lorgar)?
Space Marines themselves arguably. In fact I'd say "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS A LIE" is one of the biggest constants of 40k
Now I'll say that Yodhrin has a very valid point and I actually agree with him.
But at the same time I'm one of the guys that prefers Newcrons over Oldcrons. Yeah Tomb Kings in space are very cool and leave space to actually make Necrons "Your dudes" and give them character.
Even Tyranids had more personalization than oldcrons. But this is offtopic!
The Horus Heresy books also made it so the Heresy is the reason the Tyranids came to our galaxy, so GW doesn't always know when to leave well enough alone, creating uninteresting and uninspired comic-book levels of "everything's connected" nonsense.
So it is any wonder they wanted to tie all AdMech stuff to the C'Tan/Necrons at one stage, making "Everything is a LIE!" the standard for the AdMech as Yod said.
And that garbage is exactly what I'm on about - Graham McNeill has a lot to answer for with the pish he came up with for Mechanicum. The AdMech existed long before either Dread Cthulu Robotmen or Ripoff Egyptian Robotmen, and their story was far superior before any Necron nonsense was involved; doing so robs them of all agency, and so robs their story of all meaning. As they were before(and still are as far as I'm concerned - the one good thing about the Mat Ward Tomb Kings Iiiin Spaaaaace! rewrite was that it allows Mechanicum's rubbish to be read in a way that nullifies the original intent of it) the Mechanicus were an appropriately grimdark Transhumanist cautionary tale, an example of how human nature and extreme circumstances can just as easily turn technology to dystopia as utopia. The Dragon vs Goldenboy BS completely and fatally undermines all that because without agency, without choice, the genesis and eventual end state of the Mechanicus doesn't say anything about humanity at all, it's merely another bit of Just As Planned hyping to try and make the Emperor look like a brain-genius despite all his obvious and catastrophic mistakes.
More than that though - AdMech aren't just part of the backstory any more, they're a faction of their own; what other faction in the game is presented as a complete, objective stooge for another? I'm not talking about Codex fluff presenting each given army as being the bestest and most awesomest ever, what other faction basically has "and everything they believe and ever did believe and everything their whole society is based on is a total lie and really they're just budget-brand [Other Faction]" tacked on at the end of all their lore? How would Necron players like it if GW put out a novel that pulled some ACKSHOOALEE nonsense whereby Necrons have really been Chaos Androids all along like the original iteration of the models, and their favoured faction has been played like a fiddle by another one since the beginning? The whole festering carbuncle is a relic of an era of background writing - one where they desperately wanted to make people accept the new faction was Really Important and so inserted the C'tan into everyone else's history as much as possible - that GW have stated they supposedly wanted to get away from.
I just hope they meant it.
Man that's some salt, and some bs. There is a Necron warrior in the rogue trader book, they got their first model and rules in second ed (WD 216), and became a major faction in third. When did ad mech get a codex, or anything beyond a cursory mention? The development of admech as a faction has mostly occurred after the necrons were introduced. So it's BS to portray yourself as some fluff purist wronged by faction overreach, when what you really want it to retcon the entire history of admech to meet your specific vision of them.
Both Necrons and AdMech are younger than Orks ya puny gits!
Your arguing is kinda moot gents; both Necrons and AdMech represent the same thing (just one is ahead of the other in terms of their journey), that being the tragic over-reliance on technology and the disastrous consequences of such. AdMech are a few millennia from turning themselves in to Necron equivalents.
Also I would be incredibly surprised to see an AdMech vs Necrons box, particularly given the complete lack of any source for the rumour.
AdMech theoretical science based on a wing and a prayer is completely different from divine Necron living technology. Implying they are the same is racist.
Smitetheheretic wrote: Hello folks. Hope I'm posting in the right place, but I basically created an account to ask this question:
Given the list of codexes to expect in 2018, should I put all hopes for a full blown Inquisition/ Imerpial Agents codex off until 2019?
A furious search across google has yielded very little in terms of rumours....
Hopefully I can catch wind of something here.
Even the more generous rumours only go as far as June. That still leaves half the year.
Doesn't mean it will happen, but there's no reason to give up hope either.
Bollocks.
Proceeding with Inquisition henchmen conversion project anyway. Call me a heretic, but I'll have 18 more acolytes of all shapes, sizes and sprues ready to rescue the Imperium from its blind decent into the dark pits of chaos.
BrianDavion wrote: according to BOLS at LVO they announced the next 3 codices, Dark Eldar, tau then necrons
Necrons and AdMech are both getting a new model (Necrons are getting a plastic cryptek and they don't say what AdMech are getting) which lends credence to the boxed set rumor.
BrianDavion wrote: according to BOLS at LVO they announced the next 3 codices, Dark Eldar, tau then necrons
Necrons and AdMech are both getting a new model (Necrons are getting a plastic cryptek and they don't say what AdMech are getting) which lends credence to the boxed set rumor.
Sasori wrote: Damn, that Cryptek is an awesome model. I hope we get a few more Necron Models....
You won't. It's like most of the Codex releases - the book, a token miniature, and done.
One does wonder what the new mini-Knight is meant to go with? AdMech got their book.
Maybe knights will get their own codex this edition, and they figured rather than having 3 or 4 models, you can have a couple big ones and a bunch of little ones.
Admech got their book......Imperial Knights did not. It could be that they get their own forces. After all, what good are the "knightly households" factions? None right now, could be some in the future. Perhaps some kind of campaign book?
Anyway, that mini-knight is a good idea. It's hard to make an all-knight army come out at the right points. This will help. I'll probably buy two. They look to be about the same size as a Dreadknight.
From what I hear, the actual release order is T'au, Necron, then Dark Eldar. Tau commander spam being dealt with.
The video is titled 'Armiger Warglaives'. According to Wikipedia, an armiger "... is a person entitled to use a heraldic achievement (e.g., bear arms, an "armour-bearer") either by hereditary right, grant, matriculation, or assumption of arms. ".
Years ago (8 or 9) I converted an Admech army. It included 2 Knights, made from the Defiler kit and a third smaller walker that had a very similar body type to the Knight Armiger. I'm starting to get suspicious that GW has been spying on me.
Spying on me and MASSIVELY improving on my designs, but spying nonetheless.
As I suspect, Orks are being held back (so to speak, they're not keeping a completed book 'away' from us) because they will be a bigger release with multiple kits ala Death Guard or Custodes.
cuda1179 wrote: Admech got their book......Imperial Knights did not.
Yeah, someone already brought that up, but GW didn't announce a Knight Codex, so it seems odd that they're release a mini without a Codex. It must be tied to something else.
Ghaz wrote: The video is titled 'Armiger Warglaives'. According to Wikipedia, an armiger "... is a person entitled to use a heraldic achievement (e.g., bear arms, an "armour-bearer") either by hereditary right, grant, matriculation, or assumption of arms. ".
The part to really take from the armiger description is that it's an "esquire". It's someone above a gentleman but below a knight.
I'm more interested in the fact that it's titled "Warglaives". Is that the pattern of Armiger there?
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but this means essentially Necrons got 2 individual monopose kits in terms of model support from Jan 2015 though presumably 2018?
Ouze wrote: So, correct me if I'm wrong, but this means essentially Necrons got 2 individual monopose kits in terms of model support from Jan 2015 though presumably 2018?
Ouze wrote: So, correct me if I'm wrong, but this means essentially Necrons got 2 individual monopose kits in terms of model support from Jan 2015 though presumably 2018?
Ouze wrote: So, correct me if I'm wrong, but this means essentially Necrons got 2 individual monopose kits in terms of model support from Jan 2015 though presumably 2018?
At least you're definitely getting something. Dark Eldar and Tau don't seem that lucky
Ouze wrote: So, correct me if I'm wrong, but this means essentially Necrons got 2 individual monopose kits in terms of model support from Jan 2015 though presumably 2018?
Sisters will always win this argument.
Within the given timeframe, Sisters have had twice as many models released
That or the Knight codex will come later, and they are just teasing the model now.
Im sure there are more models in the pipeline, this is just to whet your appetite and have some cool toys to show off for LVO. Cant blow their load all at once now, can they?
Ouze wrote: So, correct me if I'm wrong, but this means essentially Necrons got 2 individual monopose kits in terms of model support from Jan 2015 though presumably 2018?
Yeah, sure seems like it. That being said, with the use of Chapter approved at the very least they can produce models out of codex cycle.
Leggy wrote: At least you're definitely getting something. Dark Eldar and Tau don't seem that lucky
TBH I can't really think of anything that the Tau need, but a full blown Drew Carey Codex seems like a magnificent time to replace this thing with a plastic kit.
H.B.M.C. wrote: So... I guess that means the Crptek won't be getting a varied suite of fancy wargear options.
Shame.
The WHC article makes specific mention of the cryptek having multiple wargear options. It'll be a distinct upgrade from the Index where you got a Staff of Light and that's it, for sure.
H.B.M.C. wrote: So... I guess that means the Crptek won't be getting a varied suite of fancy wargear options.
Shame.
The WHC article makes specific mention of the cryptek having multiple wargear options. It'll be a distinct upgrade from the Index where you got a Staff of Light and that's it, for sure.
Actually, it just says ‘This particular Cryptek is the first ever to be cast in plastic and features what looks like some new wargear.’ which doesn’t necessarily mean wargear options.
The current cryptek has different options right? This models has new options, apparently.
Still no sign of Orks, bizarre. One of the most popular xenos still with no codex. It would fill me with hope that we'll be getting a decent codex and new models but I know GW better than that.
We'll probably be after the agents of Imperium and imperial knights codex.
Looks more and more likely for a necron vs admech box though! Which is very, very interesting if true. Annoyed Admech are getting new units as they already have a codex and some of us are still waiting on that.
The new knight is specifically not AdMech, AdMech just has some minor synergy with knights. It'll be <QUESTOR IMPERIALIS> OR <QUESTOR MECHANICUS> just like all the other knights.
Arachnofiend wrote: The new knight is specifically not AdMech, AdMech just has some minor synergy with knights. It'll be <QUESTOR IMPERIALIS> OR <QUESTOR MECHANICUS> just like all the other knights.
Mechanically it means nothing other than using the one stratagem that lets your knight benefit from Canticles, is what I mean. It's an Imperial Knights release, and AdMech is only slightly more encouraged to run a knight than any other Imperium faction.
An Actual Englishman wrote: The current cryptek has different options right? This models has new options, apparently.
Still no sign of Orks, bizarre. One of the most popular xenos still with no codex. It would fill me with hope that we'll be getting a decent codex and new models but I know GW better than that.
We'll probably be after the agents of Imperium and imperial knights codex.
Looks more and more likely for a necron vs admech box though! Which is very, very interesting if true. Annoyed Admech are getting new units as they already have a codex and some of us are still waiting on that.
Clearly there's no market for Orks. Or else they'd be getting releases.
Has GW at any point stated how many codexes will be released in total? Currently, a total of 16 have been announced. I remember reading a statement somewhere that by mid 2018 all codexes should be done, but I could't find it back on the community page anymore. All I could find was that all "major" factions would be getting a codex, which is as vague as it gets. Orks and Space Wolves seem a clear cut for me, but then what else is up. I would guess that Harlequins and GSC also get a codex Then there's the whole mess with Imperial sub-factions (knights, Inquisitors, SoB, assassins, LotD, SoS, ministorum priests and even Deathwatch). I really don't see how Imperial Knights deserve their own codex. Even with the new model it's just two models with some different weapons and the index + CA pretty much cover them properly. I guess all of the sub-factions could be lumped in one big Imperial Agents book, but that'll be a challenge to make it at least a tiny bit coherent. I don't expect World Eaters or Emperor's Children to get their own book, considering neither is mentioned specifically in the rulebook and all other (Chaos) Space Marines that received their own codexes so far have been. Following that logic, Deathwatch should also get their own codex. I'm curious to hear if there's any info known on the amount of codexes that should be released, at least that would give an indication on how the Imperial sub-factions will be treated.
An Actual Englishman wrote: Still no sign of Orks, bizarre. One of the most popular xenos still with no codex.
Considering they would have to drop almost half the index due to massive lack in model support, maybe they need the time to produce new models. And to get a clue about how orks are actually supposed to work.
I'd even wait till December if we get decent codex out of it.
Ouze wrote: So, correct me if I'm wrong, but this means essentially Necrons got 2 individual monopose kits in terms of model support from Jan 2015 though presumably 2018?
At least you're definitely getting something. Dark Eldar and Tau don't seem that lucky
But... Imperial Knight?
Feels weird that AoS has more coherent releases now...
Imperial Knight makes sense fro the point if view of an Imperial knight book. Give it 3-4 weapon configurations and then you have 8-9 data sheets to put in a codex, not to mention if you want to add something to be the Sacristans or Tech Priests that maintain them.
Isn't that about the same as the Custodes will have?
It does seem odd that they are previewing the model (so it'll be out within 3 months per GW's current policy wont it?) yet they don't mention a codex, but GW do make some decisions that appear odd initially, yet frequently involve cool models and work out in the end.
(for casual players at least - cant talk about competitive balance)
It’s quite absurd that three Xenos codices are coming out with exactly one new model, and the main model release is Imperial. And the Tau codex cover is literally a pallette swap of the last one.
All the codex books barring Space Marines (primaris cover) and Death Guard (new book) have reused covers. It's not lazy so much as they're pinching the pennies and not spending on new cover art.
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An Actual Englishman wrote: The current cryptek has different options right? This models has new options, apparently.
The current cryptek has no options.
I figure this new model will introduce maybe one or two additional options and the current finecast model will represent the basic cryptek model in the necron codex, similar to the index.
Sasori wrote: Damn, that Cryptek is an awesome model. I hope we get a few more Necron Models....
You won't. It's like most of the Codex releases - the book, a token miniature, and done.
One does wonder what the new mini-Knight is meant to go with? AdMech got their book.
Indeed - only different coloured Marines got the new stuff.
A proper Knight Household Codex could be a really interesting read, have lots of models - security and maintenance crews, nobles and their household guard, some support vehicles and the new mini-Knights.
Mchaagen wrote: All the codex books barring Space Marines (primaris cover) and Death Guard (new book) have reused covers. It's not lazy so much as they're pinching the pennies and not spending on new cover art.
I think it's lazy, given the time frame and the pricetag.
The index were about delivering the maximum amount of rules (technically all new since it was a new system), at the lowest price point. No new art, picture, or fluff was very acceptable.
The Codex are a lot more expensive, had more time to mature, and a good portion of the rules they contain are already published. Fluff and art are the two things that could justify the cost.
I know there isn't anything new here, that's how codex have been for a while, but I know I'll be bitter when I'll put my new DE codex next to my 7th ed. one, and see the biggest change was actually the name…
I don't like the reused covers either, but I'm pretty sure it's not a decision that was due to being 'lazy.' It could be more an issue of a rushed schedule and/or cost as mentioned already.
The codex release schedule has increased dramatically. That is a significant factor to consider.
I'd say they are on track to have every faction get their codex treatment by the end of the year, it really depends on how many Age of Sigmar releases they decide to do. The Daughters of Khaine and a second Aelf army (either Shadow Aelves or Light Aelves presumably, note that the Daughters are *not* Malerion's Aelves) will take up at least a month or two in terms of number of releases from what we know and can speculate, then there's at least a one week Legions of Nagash release to come with those Heralds from Malign Portents.
That 100% accurate rumour from a while back stated Harlequins would be after Drukhari, so per the Games Workshop 40K faction page on their website, that would only leave Deathwatch, Space Wolves, Imperial Agents (Assassins, Inquisitors, Ministorum/Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence), Imperial Knights, Orks, Ynnari and Genestealer Cults. Still quite a few, especially depending on how they choose to split up all the factions I listed under Imperial Agents. I'd say we'll know for sure by the end of the year if plastic Sisters of Battle (other than Celestine and her Geminae) are actually going to be a thing.
Being perfectly honest, all those factions could be accompanied by model releases. There's a new Knight variant, we know per the rumour engine that there is some kind of wraithbone construct coming (more than likely it will be Ynnari), Hastings or someone else that's super reliable said we are getting Leman Russ, and it's been heavily speculated that Orks aren't getting done any time soon because they are getting a big model release. Genestealer Cults could finally get an Aberrant kit, Deathwatch could get....Primaris Deathwatch, etc. I'm sure at least a handful of the factions won't get anything, it sounds like Dark Eldar aren't getting anything for one unless that wraithbone construct belongs to them.
ERJAK wrote: Clearly there's no market for Orks. Or else they'd be getting releases.
Right AAE?
Don't know, but given that our latest release was a couple of years ago and we've had regular and complete updates since before then logic dictates there probably is.
Probably a much bigger market, than say for another, all female group of warriors, whose entire line is still metal.
No doubt they're saving our release to tie in with the Wolfies to give them a decent enemy to face.
Jidmah wrote: Considering they would have to drop almost half the index due to massive lack in model support, maybe they need the time to produce new models. And to get a clue about how orks are actually supposed to work.
I'd even wait till December if we get decent codex out of it.
Yea I agree. I'll happily wait so long as we get something decent out of it.
We're not too bad in terms of models - new Buggies/Trakks, Painboy on Bike, Big Mek on Bike, full Plastic Warboss (all flavours), DeffKoptas made easily available and we're pretty much there?
I'd say Orks getting at least a few model releases is pretty likely. They're going to be the last major Xenos faction (Genestealer Cults are part of Tyranids/Astra Militarum, Ynnari are part of Craftworlds/Drukhari/Harlequins, etc) to get a codex and that's no coincidence.
That small knight is beautifull. I love the normal knights, but they are a bit too big for me. This one will probably be just the maximun size I like for my models, probably Redemptor Dreadnought size?
Would you all rather have these books a year from now as part of a "coherent release" with a new book cover, or get your book now to play with as a stopgap. My understanding was that the codex release schedule was intended to update everyone to 8th ed first and foremost and new models and such would could later.
bullyboy wrote: Don't know if GW will pursue a logical path, but after releasing 3 Xenos races in a row, the perfect follow up would be the Deathwatch. Here's hoping.
The perfect follow up and most logical thing to would be to remove Deathwatch as a faction. We have enough Elite Marines. It's become a farce.
In previous generations 40k would get about one codex every two months with an accompanying range of minis. What is interesting this time is that despite the codex releases coming much faster, the mini release schedule has been about the same. In the first 7 months after release we will have 4 ranges of minis; primaris, deathguard, nurgle demons and Custodes.
I am curious what the mini releases for the rest of the year will be. Orks are a very strong candidate as has been rumoured. Assuming we get 5 big waves in the next 10 months that leaves 4. Space wolves? Sisters? New xenos? Emperor's Children? If we got those 5, I don't see too many people complaining.
bullyboy wrote: Don't know if GW will pursue a logical path, but after releasing 3 Xenos races in a row, the perfect follow up would be the Deathwatch. Here's hoping.
The perfect follow up and most logical thing to would be to remove Deathwatch as a faction. We have enough Elite Marines. It's become a farce.
An Actual Englishman wrote: We're not too bad in terms of models - new Buggies/Trakks, Painboy on Bike, Big Mek on Bike, full Plastic Warboss (all flavours), DeffKoptas made easily available and we're pretty much there?
In addition to the stuff you already named:
- There are no characters on bikes at all
- One of our most iconic HQs, the KFF big mek is no longer sold by GW.
- All HQ models, banner nob and all named characters except for Warboss Grukk, SAG and MA big mek are previous metal models now sold in finecast.
- Tank bustas and kommandoz also are metal to finecast models
- Big gun lobba and zzap gun are no longer sold by GW, AFAIK the kannon is still a metal model, so it might go away as well.
- Though you can built them without as much as bending a piece of plastic, there are no actual nob bikers sold by GW
Verviedi wrote: It’s quite absurd that three Xenos codices are coming out with exactly one new model, and the main model release is Imperial. And the Tau codex cover is literally a pallette swap of the last one.
1. Most of the Codex releases so far have had one new model. This isn't a Xenos-only thing.
2. All the Codex covers are re-used covers from the old books.
Verviedi wrote: It’s quite absurd that three Xenos codices are coming out with exactly one new model, and the main model release is Imperial. And the Tau codex cover is literally a pallette swap of the last one.
1. Most of the Codex releases so far have had one new model. This isn't a Xenos-only thing.
2. All the Codex covers are re-used covers from the old books.
Soooo... Supermancryptekboy. What? I guess it adds options to the codex, but why does he fly? Crypteks didn't fly before. When I was a kid Necrons would walk if they needed to go anywhere. Bare feet, snow and all. And I'm not saying Crypteks shouldn't fly or float or whatever he's doing. I didn't see it coming, is all I'm saying. Literally comes out of nowhere.
I wonder if we'll at least get special dice to go with our single new model this time around...
Deathwatch101 wrote: Imperial Knight makes sense fro the point if view of an Imperial knight book. Give it 3-4 weapon configurations and then you have 8-9 data sheets to put in a codex, not to mention if you want to add something to be the Sacristans or Tech Priests that maintain them.
Isn't that about the same as the Custodes will have?
It does seem odd that they are previewing the model (so it'll be out within 3 months per GW's current policy wont it?) yet they don't mention a codex, but GW do make some decisions that appear odd initially, yet frequently involve cool models and work out in the end.
(for casual players at least - cant talk about competitive balance)
Worth remembering that the Captain-General of the Custodes was the only new model we knew about for months, until GW revealed the codex and other model releases with something along the lines of "you didn't think the cap'n'gent was it, did you?"
They seem prepared to actually tease stuff these days. Could very well be the same with the little Knight.
Verviedi wrote: It’s quite absurd that three Xenos codices are coming out with exactly one new model, and the main model release is Imperial. And the Tau codex cover is literally a pallette swap of the last one.
What's absurd about it? They're not Marines, so that's still one more model than expected. Unless you believe GW want to get in a habit of releasing Necron codices alongside exactly one model. In that case this release is spot on.
Galas wrote: That small knight is beautifull. I love the normal knights, but they are a bit too big for me. This one will probably be just the maximun size I like for my models, probably Redemptor Dreadnought size?
I'm probably in the worst possible situation here. I thought the initial Knight was as close to perfection as GW could get (fixed leg pose notwithstanding). It really can only go downhill for me, and what do you know. I think the Armiger sucks.
It is starting to get quite frustrating that 99% of the codexes are coming out without any new models.
As far as I know the only armies that have had new models were Space Marines (Primaris), CSM (Death Guard) and Daemons (Nurgle).
Assuming that pretty much all the codexes will be out by the middle of this year, what does GW do then?
Do we finally get the new models everyone has been waiting for?
I feel I don't really have a good grasp on GWs plan going forward.
dan2026 wrote: As far as I know the only armies that have had new models were Space Marines (Primaris), CSM (Death Guard) and Daemons (Nurgle).
Most of the new books got a single miniature release to go along side them (Eldrad, Brood Lord, Enginseer, Primaris Dark Angel, etc.). Others got co-opted models from Fantasy (Chaos Daemons & Thousand Sons). Only 3 far have seen full releases (Space Marines, Death Guard and Custodes) because all of them are new factions*.
*Space Marines aren't new, obviously, but their out-of-scale Primaris replacements are basically a new faction.
dan2026 wrote: It is starting to get quite frustrating that 99% of the codexes are coming out without any new models.
As far as I know the only armies that have had new models were Space Marines (Primaris), CSM (Death Guard) and Daemons (Nurgle).
Assuming that pretty much all the codexes will be out by the middle of this year, what does GW do then?
Do we finally get the new models everyone has been waiting for?
I feel I don't really have a good grasp on GWs plan going forward.
It is about 30% of releases; 4 out 13 books. With data sheets coming in the box and containing all the rules it is much easier for GW to introduce new units without having to do new codexes. Once gw has all the codexes up to date they will start doing some campaign supplements like the gathering storm, which will be accompanied by new models.
First half of February : Adeptus Custodes.
Second half of February : Thousand Sons.
First half of March : T'au Empire.
Second half of March : Necron.
Between April and May : Drukhari, Harlequinn and two new elven armies for Age of Sigmar.
didn't see a thread on this yet, TS and Custodes coming up soon as we all know. These are rumors for what could come after, if there is a general 40k rumor thread this could be merged into that one.
u/revburn: Since people keep asking, this information was passed onto me secondhand and is from a vendor email to a shop owner.
I'm not denying that there is a chance of it being fake however, as proven in the history of this subreddit some of the most legit things are usually blasted as fake.
Now if it is proven fake I will pen a formal apology to this sub-reddit with a few days time of it being proven so.
Here should be the release schedule until June:
Spoiler:
Everyone crapping on Natfka in this thread and he was right from the get go lol.
dan2026 wrote: It is starting to get quite frustrating that 99% of the codexes are coming out without any new models.
As far as I know the only armies that have had new models were Space Marines (Primaris), CSM (Death Guard) and Daemons (Nurgle).
Assuming that pretty much all the codexes will be out by the middle of this year, what does GW do then?
Do we finally get the new models everyone has been waiting for?
I feel I don't really have a good grasp on GWs plan going forward.
It is about 30% of releases; 4 out 13 books. With data sheets coming in the box and containing all the rules it is much easier for GW to introduce new units without having to do new codexes. Once gw has all the codexes up to date they will start doing some campaign supplements like the gathering storm, which will be accompanied by new models.
I do hope you are right.
There are so many armies that need some love but aren't getting any.
Hell, if they started by finally just give Sisters a small new model range I think it would garner a lot of good feeling amoung fans. It's the elephant in the room that is never going to go away until they do something.
First half of February : Adeptus Custodes. Second half of February : Thousand Sons.
First half of March : T'au Empire. Second half of March : Necron.
Between April and May : Drukhari, Harlequinn and two new elven armies for Age of Sigmar.
didn't see a thread on this yet, TS and Custodes coming up soon as we all know. These are rumors for what could come after, if there is a general 40k rumor thread this could be merged into that one.
u/revburn: Since people keep asking, this information was passed onto me secondhand and is from a vendor email to a shop owner. I'm not denying that there is a chance of it being fake however, as proven in the history of this subreddit some of the most legit things are usually blasted as fake. Now if it is proven fake I will pen a formal apology to this sub-reddit with a few days time of it being proven so.
Here should be the release schedule until June:
Spoiler:
Everyone crapping on Natfka in this thread and he was right from the get go lol.
No, Haechi was partly right. Natfka just reposted it.
I think Verviedi's point may be that the Tau codex is not even the exact same cover as in 7th -- it's photoshopped to reflect the Viorla sept being the featured faction. Repeating cover art is one thing; weak photoshopping almost seems more lazy somehow.
Everyone crapping on Natfka in this thread and he was right from the get go lol.
People have called out a Tau and Necron codex since long before that rumor.
GW themselves called out Q1 2018 for the Fyreslayers and Skaven warbands for Shadespire.
And guess what? Thousand Sons and the last Custodes stuff goes up for preorder this Saturday, meaning he's wrong on that front.
Literally all Natfka does is take existing rumors/speculation and repost it as "ANONYMOUS SOURCES!".
Everyone crapping on Natfka in this thread and he was right from the get go lol.
People have called out a Tau and Necron codex since long before that rumor. GW themselves called out Q1 2018 for the Fyreslayers and Skaven warbands for Shadespire. And guess what? Thousand Sons and the last Custodes stuff goes up for preorder this Saturday, meaning he's wrong on that front.
Literally all Natfka does is take existing rumors/speculation and repost it as "ANONYMOUS SOURCES!".
As much as I agree about Natfka, he didn't actually start those rumors and I believe he actually attributed this time. Haechi was pretty accurate for that distance though. I haven't updated the stuff for Feb yet since Feb isn't over, but it is nice to see it all in one spot:
PENDING Release Schedule Rumors - Jan 2018 So, new rumors (apparently the 4chan schedule was some compiled leaks and some bullgak - as usual) :
- February : End of Custodes, Thousand Sons - for AOS : 4 Harbingers, Legions Of Nagash battletome.
- March : Codex T'au and Necron (maybe Necromunda, Bloodbowl) - Malign Portents campaign book, reboxed sceneries (maybe in Feb).
- April-may : Codex Harlequin and Drukari, AOS Aleves.
Since June, no data but :
- AOS summer global campaign like Seeds of Hope, Fate of Konor (Maybe a 40k campaign book / big boxset).
- End of August : Codex Space Wolves.
- December : Codex Orks / Speed kult (with new moldels).
- Maybe : end 2018 / start 2019 : Slaanesh 40k and AOS (probably around new Keeper of Secret and daemon Fulgrim).
PENDING Release Schedule Rumors - Nov 2017 Early and throughout January - Double daemons TRUE End of January is Custodes TRUE February is unknown but some is custodes Early mid march is Tau End of Month is necrons April and may are Harlequins, Drukharii and the two new aelves for AOS
Haha... They recolored the Tau cover again. Fantastic art, I'm pleased that they're sticking with it (all of the codexes for that matter). It's comical to me that they can't make up their mind on the Tau color scheme.
As to what after codexes are done? Maybe slight break but new versions are going to come sooner or later. With gw probably sooner. They won't run out of codexes to release
dan2026 wrote: It is starting to get quite frustrating that 99% of the codexes are coming out without any new models.
As far as I know the only armies that have had new models were Space Marines (Primaris), CSM (Death Guard) and Daemons (Nurgle).
Assuming that pretty much all the codexes will be out by the middle of this year, what does GW do then?
Do we finally get the new models everyone has been waiting for?
I feel I don't really have a good grasp on GWs plan going forward.
It is about 30% of releases; 4 out 13 books. With data sheets coming in the box and containing all the rules it is much easier for GW to introduce new units without having to do new codexes. Once gw has all the codexes up to date they will start doing some campaign supplements like the gathering storm, which will be accompanied by new models.
I do hope you are right.
There are so many armies that need some love but aren't getting any.
Hell, if they started by finally just give Sisters a small new model range I think it would garner a lot of good feeling amoung fans. It's the elephant in the room that is never going to go away until they do something.
You know, there was a time we were lucky to get 3 codices in a single year. Slow your roll chief.
Everyone crapping on Natfka in this thread and he was right from the get go lol.
People have called out a Tau and Necron codex since long before that rumor.
GW themselves called out Q1 2018 for the Fyreslayers and Skaven warbands for Shadespire.
And guess what? Thousand Sons and the last Custodes stuff goes up for preorder this Saturday, meaning he's wrong on that front.
Literally all Natfka does is take existing rumors/speculation and repost it as "ANONYMOUS SOURCES!".
As much as I agree about Natfka, he didn't actually start those rumors and I believe he actually attributed this time.
Haechi was pretty accurate for that distance though. I haven't updated the stuff for Feb yet since Feb isn't over, but it is nice to see it all in one spot:
PENDING Release Schedule Rumors - Jan 2018
So, new rumors (apparently the 4chan schedule was some compiled leaks and some bullgak - as usual) :
- February : End of Custodes, Thousand Sons - for AOS : 4 Harbingers, Legions Of Nagash battletome.
- March : Codex T'au and Necron (maybe Necromunda, Bloodbowl) - Malign Portents campaign book, reboxed sceneries (maybe in Feb).
- April-may : Codex Harlequin and Drukari, AOS Aleves.
Since June, no data but :
- AOS summer global campaign like Seeds of Hope, Fate of Konor (Maybe a 40k campaign book / big boxset).
- End of August : Codex Space Wolves.
- December : Codex Orks / Speed kult (with new moldels).
- Maybe : end 2018 / start 2019 : Slaanesh 40k and AOS (probably around new Keeper of Secret and daemon Fulgrim).
PENDING Release Schedule Rumors - Nov 2017
Early and throughout January - Double daemons TRUE End of January is Custodes TRUE February is unknown but some is custodes
Early mid march is Tau
End of Month is necrons
April and may are Harlequins, Drukharii and the two new aelves for AOS
I wouldn't give him the Harbingers stuff, personally.
The painting competition got announced before his rumors as far as I know, and when they said that "Month 2"(which starts in February) requires you to paint the Harbinger for your faction it's basically a give me.
An Actual Englishman wrote: Still no sign of Orks, bizarre. One of the most popular xenos still with no codex.
Considering they would have to drop almost half the index due to massive lack in model support, maybe they need the time to produce new models. And to get a clue about how orks are actually supposed to work.
I'd even wait till December if we get decent codex out of it.
We're coming up in 10 years this year with no plastic Deffkoptas outside the starter (which was also discontinued 6 years ago)...
Chikout wrote: In previous generations 40k would get about one codex every two months with an accompanying range of minis. What is interesting this time is that despite the codex releases coming much faster, the mini release schedule has been about the same. In the first 7 months after release we will have 4 ranges of minis; primaris, deathguard, nurgle demons and Custodes.
I am curious what the mini releases for the rest of the year will be. Orks are a very strong candidate as has been rumoured. Assuming we get 5 big waves in the next 10 months that leaves 4. Space wolves? Sisters? New xenos? Emperor's Children? If we got those 5, I don't see too many people complaining.
Why the F would Flanderisation Wolves need more models!?
Orks - yep - hell yeah
Sisters - - well duh?
Emperors Children - yep
Space Wolves - ??? Do you really want more Wolfy Wolf WOLFs on Wolves riding Giant Wolves.
Kanluwen wrote: I wouldn't give him the Harbingers stuff, personally.
The painting competition got announced before his rumors as far as I know, and when they said that "Month 2"(which starts in February) requires you to paint the Harbinger for your faction it's basically a give me.
Not going to give him the Harb or the Legions of Nagash, since that second rumor was posted in Jan.
dan2026 wrote: It is starting to get quite frustrating that 99% of the codexes are coming out without any new models.
As far as I know the only armies that have had new models were Space Marines (Primaris), CSM (Death Guard) and Daemons (Nurgle).
Assuming that pretty much all the codexes will be out by the middle of this year, what does GW do then?
Do we finally get the new models everyone has been waiting for?
I feel I don't really have a good grasp on GWs plan going forward.
It’s either this, or wait 2/3 years for everything to be updated. Big model releases are about as often as they ever were (Primaris, Death Guard, Daemons and Custodes since July last year) but we have updated codexes in between. We wouldn’t be getting model releases any quicker, and we’d be getting codexes slower.
So someone was asking how many more codexes, here is what we know, dark eldar come out at the end of february, Tau beginning of march, and necrons end of march. They said codexes will be done by july, at 2 a month thats' april, may june and july, so 8 more codexes.
Ones we are pretty sure about
Harlequin, Imperial knights, Orks, genestealer Cults, Ynarri, deathwatch, space wolves
So that leaves us a spot for a mystery codex, which if I were a gambling man I would bet on agents of the imperium. which will be Sisters of battle, sisters of silence, and the various flavors of Inquisition. If they get a kit (and to be fair most codexes have gotten at least one), with those factions it would most likely be Plastic sisters of battle.
I say this as a true sisters of battle skeptic, but it just makes sense to release plastic sisters as part of an agents of the imperium codex. Sisters of silence are already in plastic, much of the inquisition can be done by kits for IG, so sisters is the logical part of the codex to get some love.
Though I wonder what sisters of battle players will do with all of their extra time when they are free of the burden of constant forum posts about how GW hates them.
First half of February : Adeptus Custodes.
Second half of February : Thousand Sons.
First half of March : T'au Empire.
Second half of March : Necron.
Between April and May : Drukhari, Harlequinn and two new elven armies for Age of Sigmar.
didn't see a thread on this yet, TS and Custodes coming up soon as we all know. These are rumors for what could come after, if there is a general 40k rumor thread this could be merged into that one.
u/revburn: Since people keep asking, this information was passed onto me secondhand and is from a vendor email to a shop owner.
I'm not denying that there is a chance of it being fake however, as proven in the history of this subreddit some of the most legit things are usually blasted as fake.
Now if it is proven fake I will pen a formal apology to this sub-reddit with a few days time of it being proven so.
Here should be the release schedule until June:
Spoiler:
Everyone crapping on Natfka in this thread and he was right from the get go lol.
He had the order wrong, DE are first then Necrons then Tau. But the list of the next three he had correct.
An Actual Englishman wrote: Still no sign of Orks, bizarre. One of the most popular xenos still with no codex.
Considering they would have to drop almost half the index due to massive lack in model support, maybe they need the time to produce new models. And to get a clue about how orks are actually supposed to work.
I'd even wait till December if we get decent codex out of it.
We're coming up in 10 years this year with no plastic Deffkoptas outside the starter (which was also discontinued 6 years ago)...
You can still get the plastic Deffkopta in the Battle for Vedros box sets. So, you can buy it on its own.
And not in many other places either, in the UK at least. Best I've found online is heavily marked-up ebay sellers, otherwise you have to go hunting around physical GAME stores or toy shops to see if they have any left in stock.
Jidmah wrote: In addition to the stuff you already named:
- There are no characters on bikes at all
- One of our most iconic HQs, the KFF big mek is no longer sold by GW.
- All HQ models, banner nob and all named characters except for Warboss Grukk, SAG and MA big mek are previous metal models now sold in finecast.
- Tank bustas and kommandoz also are metal to finecast models
- Big gun lobba and zzap gun are no longer sold by GW, AFAIK the kannon is still a metal model, so it might go away as well.
- Though you can built them without as much as bending a piece of plastic, there are no actual nob bikers sold by GW
Isn't the KFF Big Mek/Big Mek in the Meganobz box? It seems to imply this on the box art.
Lol Nob Bikers can be made easily enough too.
Guys, surely we aren't trying to claim that because releases didn't come out "with codexes" that Xenos players should be happy about having a total of one (1) new model since 8th dropped? I mean really?
Jidmah wrote: In addition to the stuff you already named:
- There are no characters on bikes at all
- One of our most iconic HQs, the KFF big mek is no longer sold by GW.
- All HQ models, banner nob and all named characters except for Warboss Grukk, SAG and MA big mek are previous metal models now sold in finecast.
- Tank bustas and kommandoz also are metal to finecast models
- Big gun lobba and zzap gun are no longer sold by GW, AFAIK the kannon is still a metal model, so it might go away as well.
- Though you can built them without as much as bending a piece of plastic, there are no actual nob bikers sold by GW
Isn't the KFF Big Mek/Big Mek in the Meganobz box? It seems to imply this on the box art.
Lol Nob Bikers can be made easily enough too.
Guys, surely we aren't trying to claim that because releases didn't come out "with codexes" that Xenos players should be happy about having a total of one (1) new model since 8th dropped? I mean really?
Is it time to play "count the models"?
Only the mega-armour version of the Big Mek with the KFF is in the Meganobz kit.
Ghaz wrote: Only the mega-armour version of the Big Mek with the KFF is in the Meganobz kit.
I thought this at first but there is a pic, of what I'd consider to be a Mek in Mega Armour but with the power loader instead of Klaw and a the Kustom Blasta gun and it just says "Big Mek".
Maybe they consider the model without the Klaw to be standard Big Mek?
dan2026 wrote: Hell, if they started by finally just give Sisters a small new model range I think it would garner a lot of good feeling amoung fans. It's the elephant in the room that is never going to go away until they do something.
It's more like the badger in the closet down the hall from the ballroom where the party is going on.
Wasn't there a rumor about a new set coming out too? Sisters vs. Necrons and then later Mechnicus vs Necrons? The latter makes sense with the new mini-knight walkers and cyptek. Maybe it'll be announced at Adepticon in March.
Yodhrin wrote: And not in many other places either, in the UK at least. Best I've found online is heavily marked-up ebay sellers, otherwise you have to go hunting around physical GAME stores or toy shops to see if they have any left in stock.
I bought my two sets off Amazon.co.uk, was going to get a third but they stopped delivering it to the Isles.
oni wrote: Haha... They recolored the Tau cover again. Fantastic art, I'm pleased that they're sticking with it (all of the codexes for that matter). It's comical to me that they can't make up their mind on the Tau color scheme.
One of the first thing that I saw too, but to me it is not about the color but the sept that they represent. So far the tau codexes have always has the ochre suits of the T'au sept on them. Since the very first codex. But it have been a while now that the poster child Vior'la sept in white and red had been on all the boxes and the website, etc... All the new models that have come out in the recent years were introduced in Vior'la paint...
Just recoloring the same image seems a tad bit lazy, though...
dan2026 wrote: Hell, if they started by finally just give Sisters a small new model range I think it would garner a lot of good feeling amoung fans. It's the elephant in the room that is never going to go away until they do something.
It's more like the badger in the closet down the hall from the ballroom where the party is going on.
People keep trying to imply it's a tiny thing, but GW's facebook page when they teased "plastic sisters" a ways back tells a different story.
Yodhrin wrote: And not in many other places either, in the UK at least. Best I've found online is heavily marked-up ebay sellers, otherwise you have to go hunting around physical GAME stores or toy shops to see if they have any left in stock.
I bought my two sets off Amazon.co.uk, was going to get a third but they stopped delivering it to the Isles.
Well there's none of the starter sets up there now, and last time I saw one it had the same ludicrous markup as the ebay ones.
Though I wonder what sisters of battle players will do with all of their extra time when they are free of the burden of constant forum posts about how GW hates them.
, with Fulgrim & 
New minis tho?! 
