New board game. Sculpts look great. Kickstarter is live now:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/awakenrealms/nemesis-board-game/

Looks very cool!

I really liked the Terrain Kickstarter they did. This is hopefully cool too.

Is the soldier suppose to be Finn?

Their English seems to be rather off. It's not a dealbreaker so long as the miniatures are fine (none of that abysmal CMON or PP "Plastic"), but if the rules themselves are going to be difficult to read, it may be a problem.

Watched some videos on it, looks really cool. It’s Alien in all but name so I’d probably sub in some Xenomorph minis.

Yeah, i'm curious to see what some of the stretch goals will be like. I'm sure we'll see a not-power-loader.. maybe some not-predators too?

I’d like to see a not-The Thing (2nd favorite franchise after Alien) or maybe even some Event Horizon/Pandorum/Sphere type stuff.

Man those renders look good. Will these be resin like their terrain Kickstarter? I backed that and was pleased with the casts . No idea about the rules / etc here, though.

I've been following this one for a bit, but I'm getting impatient for my Lords of Hellas pledge from them that I paid extra to get shipped early.

From what I heard, their first board game project, This War of Mine, seems to have been met with a pretty good reception. Heck, Lords of Hellas too, even though it's taking them a while to get all those sundrop shading pledges out the door.

I'm wondering if they'll do another sundrop option for this campaign.

(Sundrop is what they call their dipping/ shading process for the bare plastic figures to give them a bit more texture, if you aren't familiar with it.)

I'm still waiting on my pledge for The Edge, but I know Awaken Realms is good people so I'm fine waiting. I think they are doing PVC plastic for their minis though, but what I've seen from the edge looks really nice, on par with recent CMON PVC minis boardgames. I was assuming the Nemsis minis were gonna be PVC.

As long as they’re not Prodos-made minis

The Edge is kind of in a weird spot, what with them refining and fine tuning the rules.

I'm still torn on whether I want to pick up a set for that. Not like I don't have enough games that never get played...

Yeah, I don't mind waiting if it means I'll have a better game in the end. I mostly went in for the minis though, but I have way too much to paint as it is...

If those crew models come out in resin, I'm in. Pass on PVC.

Game looks pretty great. The female crew members cleavage is very tiresome though... image Ripley and Vasquez with tit windows. Doesn’t really fit the theme.

People complaining about cleavage when women dress that way all the time IRL is getting tiring.

I can't remember ever seeing a battlefield surgeon with cleavage and high heels. But maybe I should get out more.

I backed This War Of Mine and sold it on a few days later. I could see it was pretty clever but it was kind of tiresome to play. And the minis looked like they were going to be OK, but were at best mediocre, on arrival, despite being described as "high quality miniatures". If the PVC minis hierarchy is CMON >> Monolith >> Bones >> boardgame pieces, these fit squarely in the fourth box.

It looks pretty interesting almost like a Aliens style game so I will probably back it.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
People complaining about cleavage when women dress that way all the time IRL is getting tiring.

What does this game have to do with IRL? They’re taking Alien and adding tit windows. Unnecessary and immature.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
People complaining about cleavage when women dress that way all the time IRL is getting tiring.

What does this game have to do with IRL? They’re taking Alien and adding tit windows. Unnecessary and immature.

Well, to each their own. I just tire of the inevitable outrage when mild cleavage is shown on female miniatures. Just don’t use those minis or play the Scout, who is all covered up.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
People complaining about cleavage when women dress that way all the time IRL is getting tiring.

What does this game have to do with IRL? They’re taking Alien and adding tit windows. Unnecessary and immature.

Well, to each their own. I just tire of the inevitable outrage when mild cleavage is shown on female miniatures. Just don’t use those minis or play the Scout, who is all covered up.

No outrage here, and I don’t think my posts convey anything of the sort either. I think it’s tiresome, immature, and unnecessary to put tits anywhere and everywhere for no particular reason, especially where it doesn’t fit the theme. Video games do it too, and it’s just as tiresome there.

Yeah, I'm not outraged, but as mymearan says, it's, well, all of those things mymearan said. I don't think I would have noticed the others, but the first image you see is the medic and her weird lateral suspenders blinds things, and how the high-contrast render exaggerates said window. And the captain would have been fine if the pic matched the illustration.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I backed This War Of Mine and sold it on a few days later. I could see it was pretty clever but it was kind of tiresome to play. And the minis looked like they were going to be OK, but were at best mediocre, on arrival, despite being described as "high quality miniatures". If the PVC minis hierarchy is CMON >> Monolith >> Bones >> boardgame pieces, these fit squarely in the fourth box.

Dang. I've been reading about how some customers are unhappy with Awaken Realm's painting on their previous KS -- and AR is a painting studio. I thought, if anything, they'd put out some high quality miniatures with an okay game.

I'm fine with sexualized models when it comes to fantasy (including science fantasy) and superheroes (just don't make 'em look nekkid), but, with science fiction and historical fiction, I prefer uniforms and clothing based on their non-fictional equivalents.

Still, there was a time when science fiction meant scantily clad babes. Enjoy. : https://www.pinterest.com/pin/415246028118837317/?lp=true

Agreed. I mean I even own a couple of Raging Heroes minis, though I use them as Space Pirates rather than for hard SF gaming.

And yeah, I own several prints of pulp magazine covers, adorning the wall of the mezzanine library...

ced1106 wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I backed This War Of Mine and sold it on a few days later. I could see it was pretty clever but it was kind of tiresome to play. And the minis looked like they were going to be OK, but were at best mediocre, on arrival, despite being described as "high quality miniatures". If the PVC minis hierarchy is CMON >> Monolith >> Bones >> boardgame pieces, these fit squarely in the fourth box.

Dang. I've been reading about how some customers are unhappy with Awaken Realm's painting on their previous KS -- and AR is a painting studio. I thought, if anything, they'd put out some high quality miniatures with an okay game.

To provide an alternative viewpoint to Ian's, I would say my opinion of This War of Mine's minis is higher than his. They're actually quite good for boardgame pieces, but that is also exactly what This War of Mine is: a boardgame. The promo mini for Lords of Hellas that was included in my my copy of TWoM does appear to be of a better production quality, and the sundrop technique on it looks fairly decent.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
People complaining about cleavage when women dress that way all the time IRL is getting tiring.

What does this game have to do with IRL? They’re taking Alien and adding tit windows. Unnecessary and immature.

Well, to each their own. I just tire of the inevitable outrage when mild cleavage is shown on female miniatures. Just don’t use those minis or play the Scout, who is all covered up.

No outrage here, and I don’t think my posts convey anything of the sort either. I think it’s tiresome, immature, and unnecessary to put tits anywhere and everywhere for no particular reason, especially where it doesn’t fit the theme. Video games do it too, and it’s just as tiresome there.

Man, you really must HATE KDM then,lol

Let's face it, most of the gamers are men, men like boobs....do the math...sex sell stuff. It's enough just to look a bit around yourself and you will see that you are bombarded with it in this or that way.
I really don't have nothing against it, tbh. I don't really care about it, boobs or no boobs, it's the game I am after. But yea, 1st world problems, little plastic models&boobs, I mean, not even a nipple is shown, at least they could have given us 1 nipple xD

Unless they throw in some Civilians in casual dress, I am gonna agree with the 'boobs look out of place' crowd.

The setting looks far too cold for it to look natural.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

To provide an alternative viewpoint to Ian's, I would say my opinion of This War of Mine's minis is higher than his. They're actually quite good for boardgame pieces, but that is also exactly what This War of Mine is: a boardgame. The promo mini for Lords of Hellas that was included in my my copy of TWoM does appear to be of a better production quality, and the sundrop technique on it looks fairly decent.

I agree that the Lords of Hellas mini was a little better, actually! Forgot about that. And yeah, I think that "quite good for boardgame pieces" is fair, but that's quite far away from the "high quality miniatures" promised in the TWoM KS campaign.

 smurfORnot wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
People complaining about cleavage when women dress that way all the time IRL is getting tiring.

What does this game have to do with IRL? They’re taking Alien and adding tit windows. Unnecessary and immature.

Well, to each their own. I just tire of the inevitable outrage when mild cleavage is shown on female miniatures. Just don’t use those minis or play the Scout, who is all covered up.

No outrage here, and I don’t think my posts convey anything of the sort either. I think it’s tiresome, immature, and unnecessary to put tits anywhere and everywhere for no particular reason, especially where it doesn’t fit the theme. Video games do it too, and it’s just as tiresome there.

Man, you really must HATE KDM then,lol

Let's face it, most of the gamers are men, men like boobs....do the math...sex sell stuff. It's enough just to look a bit around yourself and you will see that you are bombarded with it in this or that way.
I really don't have nothing against it, tbh. I don't really care about it, boobs or no boobs, it's the game I am after. But yea, 1st world problems, little plastic models&boobs, I mean, not even a nipple is shown, at least they could have given us 1 nipple xD

I love KDM, in fact I own it. It's a great example of what I'm NOT talking about though. I'm not a huge fan of the KDM pinups, but they 1) exist outside the game, and 2) are specifically made as sexy parodies of in-game concepts. They also have both male and female ones. I never said I hate sex, or boobs, or models with boobs in general. I just hate it when they're shoehorned in where they don't belong, simply because, as you say, "sex sells". It honestly turns me off a game that otherwise looks pretty great.

One thing I really liked about Core Space was that the female characters were all sensibly dressed. The only hint of flesh was from a male character.

The female character outfits here do put me off as there is no need for a medic to dress that way.

 Mymearan wrote:

 smurfORnot wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
People complaining about cleavage when women dress that way all the time IRL is getting tiring.

What does this game have to do with IRL? They’re taking Alien and adding tit windows. Unnecessary and immature.

Well, to each their own. I just tire of the inevitable outrage when mild cleavage is shown on female miniatures. Just don’t use those minis or play the Scout, who is all covered up.

No outrage here, and I don’t think my posts convey anything of the sort either. I think it’s tiresome, immature, and unnecessary to put tits anywhere and everywhere for no particular reason, especially where it doesn’t fit the theme. Video games do it too, and it’s just as tiresome there.

Man, you really must HATE KDM then,lol

Let's face it, most of the gamers are men, men like boobs....do the math...sex sell stuff. It's enough just to look a bit around yourself and you will see that you are bombarded with it in this or that way.
I really don't have nothing against it, tbh. I don't really care about it, boobs or no boobs, it's the game I am after. But yea, 1st world problems, little plastic models&boobs, I mean, not even a nipple is shown, at least they could have given us 1 nipple xD

I love KDM, in fact I own it. It's a great example of what I'm NOT talking about though. I'm not a huge fan of the KDM pinups, but they 1) exist outside the game, and 2) are specifically made as sexy parodies of in-game concepts. They also have both male and female ones. I never said I hate sex, or boobs, or models with boobs in general. I just hate it when they're shoehorned in where they don't belong, simply because, as you say, "sex sells". It honestly turns me off a game that otherwise looks pretty great.

This turns you of but not KDM? Have you looked at one of the starting survivors, she doesn't have a thing over her boobs...
PinUps are a bit over the top, although I do love them, even male ones...there is something about them,lol
But looking at new designs, you can clearly see that there are more of those pinup poses&skin in new expansions.
Look at infinity, I love the game and designs, but a lot of females there are sexualized, and not really a problem tbh. So this big fuss over a bit of skin, I don't get it...after all, these are little plastic models.
I mean, if you don't like it, don't buy it, but you are probably skipping really nice game. You can always proxy model, fix it with a bit of green stuff or even paint it like she has some kind of underware instead of skin.

I think it's telling that Core Space came out, all of the characters were dressed, and people went "Neato". Was there any significant crowd saying the women were too dressed?

This game previews, some folks say "I think you're overdoing it on the cleavage", and other folks start screaming "YOU PROMISED ME BEWBZ DON'T LISTEN TO THE NAYSAYERS".

It is true that more men than women play minis-based tabletop games, but women are a quickly-growing demographic in the game business. You have Bad Squiddo Games who focuses on stocking and producing sensibly dressed female figures. If there wasn't a demand for it, Annie wouldn't have a business, but her company keeps growing. At least in my neck of the woods, women would prefer to play tabletop games with meeples than inappropriately sexualized detailed female models. Women who play games become women who recruit other women to play games, who may become women who own businesses that sell games. And they in turn will bring more women into the hobby. It was certainly the case for the last 5 years in my area.

I've seen a bunch of people say "BUT KINGDOM DEATH" and frankly that's comparing apples to staircases, because Poots deconstructs (or maybe more accurately vivisects) the goose, the gander, and pretty much everything in-between. It's also a central theme to his universe. People have tried making "Sexy" tabletop games before and they've failed because they've just slapped some cleavage on a ruleset hoping that sex will sell. That's the case here.

If Awaken Realms decided to swap out the pilot and medic models for more dressed versions, and released pin-up versions of all 6 base characters in a set as an add-on, would it prevent you from buying the game? Because if they're seriously looking to take this game to retail after they produce it, they will need to consider how it will look on a store shelf, and whether it will sell there. And boxes have way less space to show off what's inside than a web page does, so the publishers are going to need to carefully consider what they put out there if they want their product to sell after the initial KS. There are better fights to be had than keeping boob-windows.

mrgrigson wrote:
I think it's telling that Core Space came out, all of the characters were dressed, and people went "Neato". Was there any significant crowd saying the women were too dressed?

I only saw one person in the comments. He also wanted breasts added to all the robots as they were not sexy enough.

I agree, sometimes boobs are really, really cool, but sometimes, not at all. Why are 2/3 of women showing only that part theirs bodies ? Aren't they selling a serious game about an alien invasion, with soldiers, etc ?
It is not natural, it looks out of place. Sometimes no boobs looks out of place, but there ? Totally.
If I were selling models of people living in Russia, in winter, and only women were naked, and all of them were showing their parts, would it be serious ?
The fact a good part of the people on this thread speaks mainly about this shows it is not even good for business.
I never bought a mini because it had boobs, but I did avoid hyper sexualized models.

Perhaps I missed something, but where are people getting the idea these are military types? What I read sounded like a deep space salvage team getting woken out of cryo sleep.

Every similarity with Alien is totaly coincidence....lol

My eyes instantly go to the alien head sitting there patiently trying to figure out why it didn't make a move earlier, and why she didn't notice it. The symmetry in the wall is all wrong!

I agree, sometimes boobs are really, really cool, but sometimes, not at all. Why are 2/3 of women showing only that part theirs bodies ? Aren't they selling a serious game about an alien invasion, with soldiers, etc ?
It is not natural, it looks out of place. Sometimes no boobs looks out of place, but there ? Totally.
If I were selling models of people living in Russia, in winter, and only women were naked, and all of them were showing their parts, would it be serious ?
The fact a good part of the people on this thread speaks mainly about this shows it is not even good for business.
I never bought a mini because it had boobs, but I did avoid hyper sexualized models.

I agree with pretty much all of this, the tone of a game should be at least semi-consistent. If I was just looking at the box this looks like a gritty space salvagers/engineers vs aliens game. Cool, I like that.

Then every female model is running around with maximum cleavage. Sorry, that wouldn't be my first concern when Geiger's scrapbook comes after me.

Then of course to know I'd have the pleasure of playing the game with the sort of gamers who proudly declare "men like boobs, that's all women are good for anyway". Be still my heart right there.

It would look out of place if suddenly Dead Space had a bunch of full frontal nudity (not counting the monsters) "because that's what guys like". It's not the right tone for action/horror, that's not the draw for most people.

Don't back the game, problem solved
Plenty of people will, so again, no problem.
Who likes it, great, who doesn't , plenty of other games out there.

1st world problem...do little plastic toys have too much or too little cleavage. I mean, I really feel the struggle and the problems here. Because of it, I am already begining to look and treat women as objects.

Same as yesterday, as apparently one of the main problems today in my country is people taking pictures with their dogs in beds, because you know, not enough pictures with kids in bed...but here, now, apparently modern family is man, wife & dog because of this...

Don't back the game, problem solved
Plenty of people will, so again, no problem.
Who likes it, great, who doesn't , plenty of other games out there.

1st world problem...do little plastic toys have too much or too little cleavage. I mean, I really feel the struggle and the problems here. Because of it, I am already begining to look and treat women as objects.

Well, how can I argue with a smug assertion of mythical hordes of people that'll disagree about the incongruous tone of this game? After all it's a "1st world" problem to have consistency or to accept criticism. I guess only "1st world" companies are the only ones that have to worry about customer perception and feedback too apparently.

But hey as long as there's plenty of people buying in countries one step removed from dragging women back to their caves by the hair I'm sure this game will do just fine.

Can we maybe not have an argument about cleavage in the news and rumor thread? It has nothing to do with either of those things and is, I think, better taken elsewhere.

In fact there's probably already an ongoing argument on the boardgame geek page for this game, I imagine you can go join in there if you really want to fight over it.

I think we are free to discuss whatever part of the new release we want, actually.

The medic is bewbs for the purpose of bewbs. However, my biggest issue is the scout.

She's a cool model, but why on earth does the scout have big clompy stompy boots?

 Thunderfrog wrote:

I think we are free to discuss whatever part of the new release we want, actually.

The medic is bewbs for the purpose of bewbs. However, my biggest issue is the scout.

She's a cool model, but why on earth does the scout have big clompy stompy boots?

Maybe stealth-enhancing dampener fields are bulky? Or maybe she's a rocker with the requisite boots. (Remember Meredith Brooks?)

Anyway, I really wonder about the soldier's bowl helm and the scientist's canted wheels. Those are the minis I want out of this collection.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I would say my opinion of This War of Mine's minis is higher than his.

Speaking of TWoM, they didn't go for tit windows.

Why? Because, I would argue, that it's science fiction, not science *fantasy*. In science fiction, you extrapolate fiction based on science, and science says that, to protect yourself from the elements, be it Sarajevo civil war or deep space, you wear protective clothing. It's *science fantasy*, a genre more popular during the 50's (as shown by my link to pinup science fantasy art) where you can more easily get away with fantasy elements.



Relic Knights would be an example of science fantasy. Everyone's a supermodel (or talking animal) and we're fine with that. Here're what mechanics look like in the future -- a science fantasy future.

Why? Because, I would argue, that it's science fiction, not science *fantasy*. In science fiction, you extrapolate fiction based on science, and science says that, to protect yourself from the elements, be it Sarajevo civil war or deep space, you wear protective clothing. It's *science fantasy*, a genre more popular during the 50's (as shown by my link to pinup science fantasy art) where you can more easily get away with fantasy elements.

You come to an unknown planet, not really aware of what awaits you there, I mean, who knows what kind of bacteria and viruses are out there? Yea, protective clothing...



Should we comment weapons...we discovered space travel, colonization etc...yet somehow, thrusty old M4 is still here, apparently somewhere on the way, we stopped advancing weapons, because you know, m4/shotgun is best possible weapon there is.


Looking at they latest KS, Lords of Hellas, female models have a lot of feminine attributes shown, even monolith. So judging by that KS success, I don't think generally people have problem with cleavage and overthink it.

Just watched the BoW playthrough video, looks amazingly fun!

 smurfORnot wrote:
You come to an unknown planet, not really aware of what awaits you there, I mean, who knows what kind of bacteria and viruses are out there? Yea, protective clothing...

Like this, right?



Wonder how well that works in the vacuum of space... :rolleyes:

I'm laughing my ass off at the tits. Is this game supposed to be serious, or is the company banking on horny 20 year olds backing this game?

Tits are fine. Women have them. But women in combat situations don't show them, because they don't want to get stabbed in the fething heart.

The same reason they don't wear god damn high heels. What a [MOD EDIT - Language! - Alpharius] joke.

That's not their image, though - ced was just using it to make a point...

Will be interesting to see how this does, it launches later today!

Again, where are people getting the idea these characters are military or otherwise destined for combat? All I have read of the lore indicates they are salvagers woken from stasis by Alien intruders fething their ship up. There is a total of 1 (possibly 2) soldier class so far, the rest are civilian classes.

 McNinja wrote:
I'm laughing my ass off at the tits. Is this game supposed to be serious, or is the company banking on horny 20 year olds backing this game?

Tits are fine. Women have them. But women in combat situations don't show them, because they don't want to get stabbed in the fething heart.

The same reason they don't wear god damn high heels. What a fuckin joke.

Well, if a piece of cloth is gonna save you from a stab wound...okay...

I mean, in alien movies they are dressed...didn't seem to help them for some reason,lol

Have you not watched movies? High heels work great! Look at latest Jurassic park, she is running through forest in heels, no problemo...in Atomic Blonde she is kicking ass with heels in cc, and so on

At one point you do need to realize that you can't really have pure realism. Do you play videogames? Because I am quite sure things don't work in real life as they do in 99.99% of the games, and yet people don't come shouting, I hit that guy with a rifle and he kept running, 5sec later he healed by himself etc. I shoot that guy dead, he didn't gak himself when he died!

 ScarletRose wrote:
But hey as long as there's plenty of people buying in countries one step removed from dragging women back to their caves by the hair I'm sure this game will do just fine.

What is it about female anatomy that prevents people on gaming forums from discussing it in a reasonable manner?

 smurfORnot wrote:
Have you not watched movies? High heels work great! Look at latest Jurassic park, she is running through forest in heels, no problemo...in Atomic Blonde she is kicking ass with heels in cc, and so on

At one point you do need to realize that you can't really have pure realism. Do you play videogames? Because I am quite sure things don't work in real life as they do in 99.99% of the games, and yet people don't come shouting, I hit that guy with a rifle and he kept running, 5sec later he healed by himself etc. I shoot that guy dead, he didn't gak himself when he died!

HIgh heels! I was doing searches on "science fiction boobs" and "science fiction cleavage" for those images. Shoulda gone with "science fiction heels". Actually, "sexy space costumes" has the best results.

I don't think the problem is "pure realism", but of consistency. The game's obviously based on Aliens, which I'd say falls under the hard science of science fiction, rather than that of the "high heel" science fantasy. Nemesis'"tit windows" are arbitrarily there, making the outfit more similar to a "sexy space costume" than outfits found in hard science. Diementionsal Games did Aliens before with Deep Madness, and didn't need high heels or keyholes. Their diver figure shows off the most skin, but her outfit isn't sexified, though the cyber-suspenders, cyber-kneecaps, and BFHarpoon make it on the silly side for me.

Anyway, Nemesis has a 24-hour EB, so pledge tomorrow if you want the game. Me, I'm looking forward to a game that's a homage to the science fantasy of the 50's, so I can argue *for* diaphanous clothing and exposed midriffs as proper space attire!

Campaign is live now

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/awakenrealms/nemesis-board-game/

Already funded and first few stretch goals smashed.

Had to drop my Hate pledge, can't really afford both and this one looks to be more my kinda game.

Man, it looks really good but I don't think I can swing it right now. But already up over $200k!

 RiTides wrote:
Man, it looks really good but I don't think I can swing it right now. But already up over $200k!

I don't know if I'll stick with it, but I pledged anyway to at least lock in my chance for the promo mini. Can always cancel the pledge later on if I need the money elsewhere.

ced1106 wrote:
Me, I'm looking forward to a game that's a homage to the science fantasy of the 50's, so I can argue *for* diaphanous clothing and exposed midriffs as proper space attire!

As a fairly vocal Kingdom Death fan, this was actually a bit of my problem with their pinup line. They justified it from the history, but then made basically no effort to do the retro thing. I think there are like a couple of them where I might shrug and accept it, but it pretty much all looks like modern fanservice. I could sure as hell back a minis line that really captured some of the really stylized stuff like Heavy Metal or Moebius's work. Retro without retro, though, is just dated.

Wow.. already blew through all of the initial stretch goals they had planned.. over $400k already in less than an hour.

Right, no resin option. I guess I'm not buying into anything until I see some good quality images of production models.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
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Anyway, I really wonder about the soldier's bowl helm and the scientist's canted wheels. Those are the minis I want out of this collection.

They are the most interesting models to my mind. Very surprised by the wheel chair mini to be honest, but I really appreciate it.
It is the first time I see such a model.

 godardc wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
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Anyway, I really wonder about the soldier's bowl helm and the scientist's canted wheels. Those are the minis I want out of this collection.

They are the most interesting models to my mind. Very surprised by the wheel chair mini to be honest, but I really appreciate it.
It is the first time I see such a model.

Mantic had a Dreadball coach in a hover chair. The mini was decent, but not easy to convert into anything else. I suppose one could use some wheels and a pilot mini to convert a wheelchair-bound mini, but it's nice to see the game creators include some real diversity in their characters.

The bowl helmet is just neat because it's so different from the usual sci fi helmet.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
I could sure as hell back a minis line that really captured some of the really stylized stuff like Heavy Metal or Moebius's work. Retro without retro, though, is just dated.

This is something I've wanted for a Loooooooooong time, but I'm a big fan of art from that era anyways. Juan Jimenez power armor would be awesome!

Sheesh, $732k right now. I didn't expect it to go that high that fast, don't think they did either.

it'd be cool if they could do something like a pledge level where you get 1 of every mini in resin at the end of the campaign or in the PM. Looks like they're all 3D prints so it shouldn't be too tough to do but they'd probably want to maximize the amount of game copies produced since the more you make the cheaper they cost.

The game looks like a lot of fun, and it's impressive the number of video reviews / etc they got ahead of time.

But in looking through their Lords of Hellas updates, I'm not convinced the human sized models will look high quality enough in their production plastic. Resin options for things like the soldier and wheelchair model would've been awesome, but probably aren't feasible given the quantity they might need.

So, I going to sit this one out... but I wish them a ton of success, they seem like a great group of people and are passionate about their products! And the items I got from their terrain Kickstarter (in resin) were fantastic

Those good points RiTides - someone should ask them about it.

Even in the Kickstarter Comments section - yikes! - if necessary...

 RiTides wrote:
I'm not convinced the human sized models will look high quality enough in their production plastic:

Are there any companies whose pre-assembled boardgame plastic figures are that good? Gamer monkey hands need playing pieces that don't break, and, afaik, the better the plastic holds details, the more brittle it is.

Anyway, posting here that Nemesis broke through all their planned SG's. Given the maturity of KS, I'm surprised that this could happen, although AR was honest enough not to go to lie and make up fake SG funding levels to stretch the SG's over the campaign. For the new backers, if a creator runs out of planned SG's and offers more physical content, that's a yellow flag, because this can cause additional delays and increases in shipping costs. AR, thankfully, has said they're not going to throw out more mini's because the game has enough of them. Lime flag, I suppose.

CMON's human sized minis for games like Blood Rage (which my group plays a lot ) have gotten really impressive, although still not like resin, of course.

But for the slight loss of detail compared to resin, you gets Tons of them. Here, you're getting just a few characters, and a decent swarm of aliens... but for me, a lot of the component value depends on how those key characters come out.

I also think the terrain add-on is pretty pricey for what it is. The base game pledge looks great, though... even though I'm not backing I would very much like to play this game

Same here for me, knowing what I'd want these miniatures for and how I'd like to use them for hobby projects.

I looked into Lords of Hellas after RiTides' "warning" above and, yeah, I don't think I'll be backing this one...

 RiTides wrote:
But for the slight loss of detail compared to resin, you gets Tons of them. Here, you're getting just a few characters, and a decent swarm of aliens...

Ah, good point. They've shown the free expansion, and it has 15 miniatures, so still not a ton. I guess hang around the Reaper KS forum and hope for an sf miniatures one to show up? Unfortunately, I'm not seeing many of them.

To add another comment about LoH, some BGG'ers were unhappy with the Sunburst (?) paint job. Seems like you'd have some complaints about it because they're all hand-done paint jobs, so there's more variability than with machine-made figures. I wouldn't want to be the last backer with their figures painted during overtime hours before a deadline. The painting, of course, will take extra time, so I'd assume painted sets would be shipped after unpainted ones.

To flog a dead *****, here's what Nemesis had to say about the Medic. So I guess when women are under combat stress, they don't wear t-shirts or bras. Anyway, at this point, I wouldn't want a creator to change the art direction of a project, including sculpts.

And finally Medic, that created so much controversy we did not really seen coming. We were a bit surprised, as by creating her we were by no means wanted taking sides in any political or social broader discussion. As mentioned on the beginning - we just wanted to make some very characteristic models and arts that will leave you a lot of space for your own interpretation.

We feel that female character who likes to dress sexy is this kind of characteristic crew member which can build a lot of stories around. As with other characters we did not wanted to give her only professional traits, but also that human part. Adding captain a cigar or scout a bottle of whisky does not mean that we are advocating for smoking or drinking. It is exactly the same in this case. We just want to create a very unique and different designs that you will be able to choose form and they will be very distinguishable from each other!

I saw some photos of sunburst miniatures and can see the quality issues mentioned. The variation in colour in the same factions models is extreme with some being twice as dark as others and some have very bad pooling issues of the shader.

Hopefully they have learnt from the first Sunburst models and can improve them for Nemesis.

Sundrop kids - Sundrop!

And...I don't think any mass produced technique like that will ever really please most people...

Sorry! Sundrop.

Here is the album I saw -

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1huXXhcsfEtrLNW_GKJdM7mmYkMAE6F8W


And this is direct link to one of the worst offenders (these are meant to be the same colour) -

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uD6wVQUGdSIPrN8mR0yTYxlhvEtmGLTK8g/view

Are they sundropping Nemesis?

Was it mentioned and I just glossed over it?

Fingers crossed my Lords of Hellas is in a decent batch, considering I'm still waiting on it despite paying for two stage shipping...

It is listed as a 'add-on' so yes, they're "Sundropping" this one too.

What is "sundropping"?

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
What is "sundropping"?

Pre-shading. It’s a paint option in their KS.

Last day night be interesting, looks like this and Hate are both ending on the same day. Which will have the bigger last day rush? I think Hate will have more activity since they will keep pumping out stretch goals forever, but this one is "done"

I'm kinda glad they stopped though and aren't going to add more and over-reach like a lot of campaigns do

Well the Carnomorph add on is yet to appear, plus they are making an Aftermath expansion, so not quite “done”.

Plus if Lords of Hellas is anything to go by, they are going to continue to throw all sorts of stuff into this.

They did a similar pattern last time around- unlocked an entire 5th player expansion with all sorts of additions, an expansion everyone voted on, a final expansion that was very much crowdsourced in terms of ideas and votes, plus a fair amount of interesting add ons that popped up as things went on.

It'll be interesting to see if they can top Kronos (both for size and game mechanics) this time around.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
As long as they’re not Prodos-made minis

Isn't this a direct reaction to "Prodos clearly won't be able to deliver the AVP KS, especially now that Fox movies are moving under Disney, not that anybody would give Prodos another penny after the AVP KS debacle. However, everybody loves Aliens - I bet we could do a not-Aliens game that checks all of the boxes!"


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 smurfORnot wrote:
You come to an unknown planet, not really aware of what awaits you there, I mean, who knows what kind of bacteria and viruses are out there? Yea, protective clothing...

Dafuq? Did you not watch Prometheus? Where they immediately took off their helmets? And then the Xenobiologist decided to pet the angry space cobra?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Dafuq? Did you not watch Prometheus? Where they immediately took off their helmets? And then the Xenobiologist decided to pet the angry space cobra?

Pretty sure that was the point he was making - the Alien franchise is no great paragon of realism.

In fairness, Prometheus exchanged the rule of cool for the rule of stupid, so using that film as an argument is a low blow. Valid, hard to counter, but low.

Prometheus was just a terrible film: when Scott tried to have his cake and eat it, he ended up with a movie that kept referencing ALIEN but then did a terrible job maintaining consistency. Even the weird old DH comics arc made more sense than that movie, and split less dramatically from the original movies.

Angry space cobra aside, the chance of alien viruses or bacteria being harmful to humans is virtually zero. Diseases and parasites evolve alongside their host species. You’re honestly more at risk from harmful bacteria visiting another country than you would be visiting another planet.

That's... a really good point. Thanks!

But i'd suspect a fairly high chance of something airborne that can generate a fatal allerigic reaction as the human immune system tends to need to learn what to ignore and there would be a lot of complex biological molecules it would have never seen on a new (living) world

Just because a movie is more stupid fiction than science fiction doesn't invalidate the principles of science fiction. In *any* sort of fiction, *consistency* is key, even if what happens in the story is made up. In BGG, I've seen arguments that just because it's fiction, you can do anything you want. An amusing counter-argument someone said is that, no, you can't -- Batman's sidekick Robin can't suddenly sprout wings and fly (unless it was one of those stories in the 50's, of course). So, for the cited movie, the *movie* violated the "external consistency" of wearing protective clothing in a foreign environment. That does not mean that the principle of "external consistency" does not exist. TvTropes has a succinct definition of consistency in a story. If you don't think much of TvTropes, you can find other essays about consistency in a story.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Consistency

There are, roughly speaking, three kinds of consistency that a viewer expects from a story:

External Consistency: Consistency with the real world. The fictional universe is Like Reality Unless Noted. Violations of external consistency are "unrealistic."

Genre Consistency: Consistency with other fictional works. The fictional universe should behave like other works in its genre, unless specifically noted otherwise. Any fictional concepts, characters, or settings borrowed from other works should behave as they do in those works. Tropes are Played Straight. For example, a dragon is generally expected to be a flying reptilian creature that breathes fire; if it's different in your work, the differences should be pointed out before they start affecting the plot.

Internal Consistency: Consistency with itself. Any rules, events, settings, or characters that have been established within the fictional work continue to exist and function as they did previously, unless otherwise indicated. If your work takes place in an Expanded Universe, you're generally expected to be consistent with the (non-expanded) Canon.

New character, the android. Also amusingly, while androids have been mostly portrayed in sf (or at least Western sf) as males or genderless beings, Japan's android, or at least robotic, *applied* technology is for females -- including a newscaster whose name implies a *youthful* age. Literally, her name is "child android". And, of course, the androids are in servant roles. Yeah, they know their market. At least the Japanese hotel has wacky animatronics for the kids.

Is this still a topic about a board game?

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Is this still a topic about a board game?

Yea. I think it is. Why the doubt?

 Thunderfrog wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Is this still a topic about a board game?

Yea. I think it is. Why the doubt?

Seems to have gone off topic and on to a “gak on Prometheus” tangent.

They announced a new character, the android. I thinks someone mentioned that, though.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/awakenrealms/nemesis-board-game/posts/2094931

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Thunderfrog wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Is this still a topic about a board game?

Yea. I think it is. Why the doubt?

Seems to have gone off topic and on to a “gak on Prometheus” tangent.

Indeed because someone mention unprodouction in protective suit, prodos game made a half naked female boob marine compare to aliens 5 suit against aliens 6 (I think I shouldn’t post while I was drunk.. )

[edit : correct my own misspell and cross over all unapproved words..]

Always a good idea - meanwhile, let's all endeavor to keep this one a bit more on topic - thanks!

My head was straight now... I think I should have quit drinking at party...

That Android concept I like faceless android, I can imagine how much freedom of facefeature we can paint. If anyone play Gear of Wars 4 they can know what I talk about. The face was virtual display ( tv for head ) and it look like cool idea.

Speak of protective and unprotective suit, you should have compare them with firefly, crew of low class and don’t have any expensive suit that can protect from blade and bullet. Because they weren’t expected to go to war like the rest of Wargame.

This nemesis is for me.

Solidcrash wrote:
That Android concept I like faceless android, I can imagine how much freedom of facefeature we can paint. If anyone play Gear of Wars 4 they can know what I talk about.

Or, watch the Orville...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
That Android concept I like faceless android, I can imagine how much freedom of facefeature we can paint. If anyone play Gear of Wars 4 they can know what I talk about.

Or, watch the Orville...

Combine the two? Any miniature + the Orville.

Campaign is almost done, less than 2 days left and current at $3.5 million USD. Never expected it to go that high, but good for them!

I certainly hope that everything goes well for all who pledged here, especially those mostly in it for the miniatures!