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Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 03:27:20


Post by: ingtaer





Full trailer;



Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 03:31:43


Post by: Lance845


The teaser actually looks good but i have zero hope for this movie.

Aparently the han solo actor cant act and had to have dialog coaches on set every day to help him. On top of that, who cares? Do we really want to watch han play dice for a ship? Do you give a gak where he got his vest? This is the most inconsequential sw movie.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 03:56:37


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Trying way too hard.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 04:05:01


Post by: trexmeyer


Will not be surprised if this turns out better than the sequels.

Rewatching Rogue One made me realize that the sequels are missing some very key elements. The sets are overly pristine, Lucas wanted a used universe, there are minimal OT aliens (WTF are the Twi'leks?), and I'll admit that the First Order is a terribly cheap knock off of the Empire.



Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 06:46:56


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Lance845 wrote:
The teaser actually looks good but i have zero hope for this movie.

Aparently the han solo actor cant act and had to have dialog coaches on set every day to help him. On top of that, who cares? Do we really want to watch han play dice for a ship? Do you give a gak where he got his vest? This is the most inconsequential sw movie.


So far as I’m aware, that was a single, unsubstantiated ‘insider’ quote from a Clickbaor helll-hole?


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 06:49:03


Post by: TheCustomLime


 trexmeyer wrote:
Will not be surprised if this turns out better than the sequels.

Rewatching Rogue One made me realize that the sequels are missing some very key elements. The sets are overly pristine, Lucas wanted a used universe, there are minimal OT aliens (WTF are the Twi'leks?), and I'll admit that the First Order is a terribly cheap knock off of the Empire.



Something that bothered me about the Sequels was the lack of aliens in the main cast besides Chewbacca. And yeah, what happened to the Twi'leks? Did they all die off or something?


As for the trailer? It looks alright. I'll probably go see it. I enjoyed all of the recent Star Wars movies even if I think story-wise they have... glaring issues.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 06:50:48


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Why is the ship pointed? What is that nonsense extra bit that they've added to the front. Are they going to try and say that's what YT-1300 are meant to look like and that Han/Chewie modified it to remove that? Because we've seen other freighters like that in the prequels. They didn't have a pointy bit at the front.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'm talking about this:



Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 07:07:43


Post by: djones520


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why is the ship pointed? What is that nonsense extra bit that they've added to the front. Are they going to try and say that's what YT-1300 are meant to look like and that Han/Chewie modified it to remove that? Because we've seen other freighters like that in the prequels. They didn't have a pointy bit at the front.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'm talking about this:



Finding a zoomed in picture, it's called Kessel Run.

That... has me worried.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
So I found this.



It's an add-on to push barges around?


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 07:13:10


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why is the ship pointed? What is that nonsense extra bit that they've added to the front. Are they going to try and say that's what YT-1300 are meant to look like and that Han/Chewie modified it to remove that? Because we've seen other freighters like that in the prequels. They didn't have a pointy bit at the front.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'm talking about this:



YT1300’s were designed to be completely modular, complete with multiple cargo pod options and configurations.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 07:19:30


Post by: TheCustomLime


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why is the ship pointed? What is that nonsense extra bit that they've added to the front. Are they going to try and say that's what YT-1300 are meant to look like and that Han/Chewie modified it to remove that? Because we've seen other freighters like that in the prequels. They didn't have a pointy bit at the front.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'm talking about this:



So they can sell new Kessel (tm) Run (tm) Millennium (tm) Falcon (tm) toys, of course!


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 07:22:21


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


And don’t forget the X-Wing variant, with slightly different but ultimately killer cards. For TIE Fighters.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 07:39:02


Post by: Squerkie


I'm starting to become more and more sceptical of Disney's Star Wars movies but you never know.... After all, most of us will probably just see it anyway. It's probably going to be more akin to Rogue one - just plenty of action and comedy. Nothing bad about that in my view for a few hours of mindless fun!


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 07:39:29


Post by: Lance845


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
The teaser actually looks good but i have zero hope for this movie.

Aparently the han solo actor cant act and had to have dialog coaches on set every day to help him. On top of that, who cares? Do we really want to watch han play dice for a ship? Do you give a gak where he got his vest? This is the most inconsequential sw movie.


So far as I’m aware, that was a single, unsubstantiated ‘insider’ quote from a Clickbaor helll-hole?


My main Source is the Weekly Planet Pod Cast, who apparently have been getting stuff sent to them by people on the set. They say themselves that they can't say for sure that anything they hear is real, but I have also seen them be right way more often then wrong. The Solo movie has had tons of problems over the last year. Maybe they pull something good out of it. I doubt it.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 07:47:16


Post by: Grey Templar


Regarding the "New" look for the Falcon.

YT-1300s are stated to be easily modified ships, and the Falcon itself is heavily modified. The cargo prongs on the Falcon, and many other YT-1300s, are probably a very common, but not universal, modification. Perhaps the Falcon will originally have had some other type of stuff on its nose, which Han later swapped out for cargo prongs because they were more useful.

Hell, maybe its an extended missile bay? Maybe the Falcon was previously fitted for more serious combat, and Han later ditched the extra tubes so he could haul more cargo? It would match some real world actions taken by real world merchant vessels in the 18th century, who sometimes skimped on cannons just so they could stuff some extra cargo on board.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 07:52:06


Post by: Manchu


I'm keeping in mind that all the Disney SW trailers have been good.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 07:52:42


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Lance845 wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
The teaser actually looks good but i have zero hope for this movie.

Aparently the han solo actor cant act and had to have dialog coaches on set every day to help him. On top of that, who cares? Do we really want to watch han play dice for a ship? Do you give a gak where he got his vest? This is the most inconsequential sw movie.


So far as I’m aware, that was a single, unsubstantiated ‘insider’ quote from a Clickbaor helll-hole?


My main Source is the Weekly Planet Pod Cast, who apparently have been getting stuff sent to them by people on the set. They say themselves that they can't say for sure that anything they hear is real, but I have also seen them be right way more often then wrong. The Solo movie has had tons of problems over the last year. Maybe they pull something good out of it. I doubt it.


See, it’s that ‘apparently’ that bothers me. And that nowhere else seems to have picked up on the story.

It has had development problems - but if they’re willing to get shot of the creative leads, why not the lead actor? It’s happened in movies before and will happen again.

Not having a go at your reporting of it, just generally discussing.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 08:10:15


Post by: Paradigm


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

So far as I’m aware, that was a single, unsubstantiated ‘insider’ quote from a Clickbaor helll-hole?


My main Source is the Weekly Planet Pod Cast, who apparently have been getting stuff sent to them by people on the set. They say themselves that they can't say for sure that anything they hear is real, but I have also seen them be right way more often then wrong. The Solo movie has had tons of problems over the last year. Maybe they pull something good out of it. I doubt it.


See, it’s that ‘apparently’ that bothers me. And that nowhere else seems to have picked up on the story.

It has had development problems - but if they’re willing to get shot of the creative leads, why not the lead actor? It’s happened in movies before and will happen again.

Not having a go at your reporting of it, just generally discussing.


In defence of The Weekly Planet, they do tend to avoid clickbaity stuff and if they're passing on some info, it's usually because it's just what they've been told. Doesn't necessarily mean that it's correct, but they're not the sort to go round screaming 'Han Solo Is DOOOOOMED!!1!!' based on a couple of insider hints and articles. I have also heard the rumours about the issues with Alden Ehrenreich reported in a few other places, but I can't recall who was the first to break the story as things get passed round so quickly these days.

It's entirely possible all the talk of a dialogue coach on set might just be someone there just to make sure he gets the inflections/mannerisms exactly right, which makes sense when you consider that he's not just playing a role, he's playing an iconic role performed by someone else so the pressure's on to not just deliver a good performance but an accurate one. Hell, if I were playing Han Solo I'd sure as hell want someone on set to tell me I wasn't being stuck-up, scruffy-looking or Nerf-herdery enough...

It's entirely likely to be intent hyperbole, or just something lost in translation. I tend not to set too much store by this kind of 'report'... Remember that this time last year Wonder Woman was purportedly an utterly unwatchable mess, and turned out to do incredibly well critically and commercially.


As for this teaser, I'm withholding judgement until the whole trailer is out. This looks like a jumble of footage with no coherency, but that could just be because it's been crammed into 45 seconds. One thing that does leap out though is the music, I'm immediately not a huge fan of that. Much too 'Generic Trailer Music', not enough 'Star Wars' at first hearing.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 08:54:53


Post by: Lance845


Yeah Weekly planet is the first to admit they are just a couple of idiots with no foot in any door. But they are HUGE and people in the biz apparently contact them a lot. Not that they can prove that or anything. It's just people emailing them.

THAT being said I hope the dog in storm trooper armor is real.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 08:57:59


Post by: Yodhrin


Yeah, I'm not getting the sense of dread that seems to be hanging about this one. A lot of folk seem to want it to be bad(the "there's only one Han Solo!" brigade), others think it's pointless and so seem to want an excuse to dislike it, others still seem to be putting a lot of stock in the whole "troubled production" rumours. The only even vaguely credible reason to be concerned is how cagey Disney have been with the marketing.

In the first case - meh. I like Alec Guinness Obi Wan, I like Ewan McGregor Obi Wan, I even like James Arnold Taylor Clone Wars Obi Wan. If Ehrenreich does a decent job as part of a decent story, I'll have two Han Solo's to like as well and don't see what the big deal is.

As for "pointless" - is it though? I don't see how, unless you're the kind of person who considers literally everything except the "main saga" movies pointless, in which case you're missing out on a whole lot of really cool Star Wars material for no good reason. Rogue One had the same accusations levelled against it, and frankly I think that was the best Star Wars movie Disney have made(and better than at least three that Lucas made); apart from Old Man Luke, I could take or leave both of the new "main saga" films, but I won't be rewatching the OT again without Rogue One added on at the start.

And speaking of Rogue One - it was also a "troubled production" with lots of rumours and director switching and reshoots, turned out great IMO. As Paradigm says Wonder Woman was the subject of similar rumours as well, and also turned out pretty great.

Of course, Bats v Supes and Justice League were both "troubled", and they came out if anything even worse than rumoured, so I suppose the only real point to make is that speculating based on "industry insider" rumours is fairly pointless given that a lot of the things that used to be cast-iron "warning signs" - like extensive reshoots - have just become part of standard filmmaking these days.

I hope it's good, but if I don't enjoy it, meh; it doesn't need to be a box office megahit, just not fail so badly that Disney stop making the anthology films.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 08:59:04


Post by: Earth127


This just looked like Rogue one all over again. Trailer didn't grab me at all.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 09:16:43


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


What I'm interested to see is how well this handles being the first 'not actually linked to the main saga' movie - or indeed canonical tv show.

Think about it. Prequels, OT, NT, Rogue One, Clone Wars and Rebels, all interlinked from that one chain of events.

Solo? Well, he's not part of the Rebellion - arguably not properly so until the very end of ANH.

That's an opportunity to really delve into The Others of the galaxy - those on the fringes and that.

On the 'insider info' stuff. It's the language used in the report I read. Now to be fair, I've no idea of that was verbatim or paraphrasing, but it read far more like some sweaty nerd thrashing on the keyboard than someone actually involved in the project.

And hey, Rogue One had a troubled development too, and that turned into quite possibly the greatest Star Wars film to date.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 09:52:34


Post by: Riquende


I had almost no interest in this beyond it being Star Wars.

My interest-o-meter has just ticked up one notch to 'eyebrow raised, go on, tell me more...'. So I guess the TV spot has done its job.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 09:54:46


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Riquende wrote:
I had almost no interest in this beyond it being Star Wars.

My interest-o-meter has just ticked up one notch to 'eyebrow raised, go on, tell me more...'. So I guess the TV spot has done its job.


I'd agree with that.

'Young Solo's origin' has, so far, been the 'do we really need to know this?' of the movies announced, just pipping Obi-Wan to the post.

But this has at least made me sit up and pay a modicum of attention.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 12:24:30


Post by: LordofHats


 Manchu wrote:
I'm keeping in mind that all the Disney SW trailers have been good.


Same here, but I can't lie. I do want to see how Han Solo became Han Solo.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 12:41:06


Post by: welshhoppo


 LordofHats wrote:
 Manchu wrote:
I'm keeping in mind that all the Disney SW trailers have been good.


Same here, but I can't lie. I do want to see how Han Solo became Han Solo.


We already have. It's called A New Hope.

We see a slimeball of a character who kills a man across a table to get out of a bad deal. And watch him develop into a loyal man who gets into trouble to save his friends.

It was a good arc, we didn't need to see him before that.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 12:46:37


Post by: LordofHats


We don't need lots of things. Doesn't mean I don't want them.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 13:08:52


Post by: Paradigm


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What I'm interested to see is how well this handles being the first 'not actually linked to the main saga' movie - or indeed canonical tv show.

Think about it. Prequels, OT, NT, Rogue One, Clone Wars and Rebels, all interlinked from that one chain of events.

Solo? Well, he's not part of the Rebellion - arguably not properly so until the very end of ANH.

That's an opportunity to really delve into The Others of the galaxy - those on the fringes and that. .


Of course, it's entirely possible they'll work this into the central events somehow. He might unwittingly end up hauling Kyber Crystals for The Empire, or smuggling some 'refugees' that actually rebel spies (Cassian/K2 cameo, anyone?) or something of that ilk. Now I definitely don't fancy that, I'd rather avoid any Imperial entanglements and have a story of Space Pirates, Space Cowboys and Space Gangsters, but with the Empire involved at least to some degree (and yet another custom TIE design on show! ) it's possible they will tie it into the ongoing narrative.

Han does need to be an utter bastard in this though. To end up where he ends up at the start of ANH, he can't be too much of a good guy here.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 13:11:33


Post by: Mr Morden


Looks ok, nothing special

Can;t be worse than the Last Jedi - really It can't can it?

I like the Starship Trooper esque Imperial recruiting


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 13:13:35


Post by: LordofHats


 Paradigm wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What I'm interested to see is how well this handles being the first 'not actually linked to the main saga' movie - or indeed canonical tv show.

Think about it. Prequels, OT, NT, Rogue One, Clone Wars and Rebels, all interlinked from that one chain of events.

Solo? Well, he's not part of the Rebellion - arguably not properly so until the very end of ANH.

That's an opportunity to really delve into The Others of the galaxy - those on the fringes and that. .


Of course, it's entirely possible they'll work this into the central events somehow. He might unwittingly end up hauling Kyber Crystals for The Empire, or smuggling some 'refugees' that actually rebel spies (Cassian/K2 cameo, anyone?) or something of that ilk. Now I definitely don't fancy that, I'd rather avoid any Imperial entanglements and have a story of Space Pirates, Space Cowboys and Space Gangsters, but with the Empire involved at least to some degree (and yet another custom TIE design on show! ) it's possible they will tie it into the ongoing narrative.

Han does need to be an utter bastard in this though. To end up where he ends up at the start of ANH, he can't be too much of a good guy here.


The Empire will inevitably end up involved if only because Han starting out as a cadet at the Imperial Academy has always been a core part of his background. The Trailer at least to me seems to suggest the film will start at that point or reflect on it in telling the story.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 13:51:03


Post by: Alpharius


On the one hand, I'm trying to let the past die, killing it if I have to, but on the other, I'm kinda looking forward to this one too.

What to do?!?

I'll probably go see it, but maybe not, if the reviews are saying it is awful.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 13:57:26


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Full trailer has now been released.

Looks fun.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 14:00:46


Post by: Paradigm


Full trailer:



Now that's more like it! Totally on board now, this looks like a load of fun.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 14:02:37


Post by: Riquende


 Alpharius wrote:
.maybe not, if the reviews are saying it is awful.


Isn't that a point of contention right now?

It's Star Wars so of course I'll see day of release. I'm tentatively now looking forward to it, although I'm not convinced by the main guy from that trailer. Lando, on the other hand, looks great.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 14:02:42


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Oh, and just a reminder....

To all those posting 'reaction' videos.....

I will find you. And then that camera is going to give your audience an exceptionally intimate view into your life, you egotistical, vain morons.

I WANT TO SEE THE TRAILER. NOT YOUR CAREFULLY REHEASED, SHOT AND RE-SHOT REACTION.

I hate reaction videos. You might've noticed. The absolute height of narcissistic nonsense.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 14:13:18


Post by: Matt.Kingsley


Hmmm, well I'm definitely not as worried as a first was.
Still not 100% confident, but I will admit it looks like fun if nothing else, which is all I really need from a Star Wars film.

Still don't like the Falcon redesign, and I doubt I'll get used to it (even when it is released for X Wing I won't see it as the Falcon).


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 14:16:31


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I'm wondering if it is indeed The Falcon....could be any old YT-1300 at the end of the day, and the inspiration for why Han wanted one.

Kinda like how your Uncle takes you for a drive in his Jaguar, and you then want one as your first car? Analogy poorly explained, but hopefully you see where I'm coming from.

That it's been labelled that on some toy boxes spotted so far isn't necessarily strong evidence. After all, they through a googly with various bits of TFA and Rogue One marketing, and mocked up boxes are pretty straight forward ways to keep secrets.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 14:21:39


Post by: LordofHats


The full teaser makes it out like a heist movie (in space). I could get behind that.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 14:26:12


Post by: Kanluwen


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I'm wondering if it is indeed The Falcon....could be any old YT-1300 at the end of the day, and the inspiration for why Han wanted one.

Kinda like how your Uncle takes you for a drive in his Jaguar, and you then want one as your first car? Analogy poorly explained, but hopefully you see where I'm coming from.

That it's been labelled that on some toy boxes spotted so far isn't necessarily strong evidence. After all, they through a googly with various bits of TFA and Rogue One marketing, and mocked up boxes are pretty straight forward ways to keep secrets.

It's always been canon that Han won the Falcon from Lando and Han did a lot of customizing/tinkering with the Falcon after he won it.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 14:32:26


Post by: LordofHats


I don't really understand the complains about the Falcon's look. Its an inconsequential detail, and the altered appearance will probably be explained at some point anyway.

I'd be more concerned that even in the trailer the lead actor seems really unconvinced by his own performance (is that just me?).


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 14:36:36


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Oh indeed. Still doesn't mean the one Solo is The Falcon.

Almost certainly is like....


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 14:41:19


Post by: Kilkrazy


The original Millenium Falcon changed its look between films 4 and 5 and no-one complained.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 14:47:31


Post by: kronk


 Kilkrazy wrote:
The original Millenium Falcon changed its look between films 4 and 5 and no-one complained.


We didn't have the internet then!

Everything is different now. Stop hating on people's hate, you darn Lucas apologist!


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 14:53:46


Post by: Matt.Kingsley


Tbf though, those changes weren't quite as large as this change.

Hell, the Falcon changed between 6 & 7.

I'm sure it'll be explained in-movie, and I'm probably being hyperbolic when I say I won't get used to it... but the silhouette is just so different and I do feel this time the change is mainly for new, distinctive merch.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 15:02:36


Post by: Kilkrazy


Some peopl like new models. It's a shame there aren't more new injection kits from the new films.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 15:03:35


Post by: Kanluwen


 Kilkrazy wrote:
Some peopl like new models. It's a shame there aren't more new injection kits from the new films.

Rogue One saw quite a few new injection kits. The U-Wing, that massive shuttle, the AT-AT variant notably got 'easy to build' Revell kits that I saw at Target & Wal-Mart of all places.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 15:08:18


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I'm interested in those TIEs.

Love that design lineage, me. Just wish they'd done a wee bit more with it in TLJ. Silencer is nice, but how about an updated bomber??


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 15:09:58


Post by: Kaiyanwang


I think that the falcon changing between movies is not an issue.
Han looks like the guy that always tinkered with such ship, and one has to add that because of his dangerours life, who knows how many pieces were lost in space because of pirates, monsters, empire... and had to be substituted.
Also once the falcon became part of the rebel fleet, it makes sense they could have modified it to suit better an all-combat role, I guess.

I doubt I will watch the movie, unless a friend I find very reliable will tell me is the case.
For sure, I consider the critics unreliable for SW movies from TLJ onward.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 15:11:30


Post by: Kilkrazy


I would like a kit of the Stormtrooper Landing Ship.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 15:26:18


Post by: gorgon


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
The teaser actually looks good but i have zero hope for this movie.

Aparently the han solo actor cant act and had to have dialog coaches on set every day to help him. On top of that, who cares? Do we really want to watch han play dice for a ship? Do you give a gak where he got his vest? This is the most inconsequential sw movie.


So far as I’m aware, that was a single, unsubstantiated ‘insider’ quote from a Clickbaor helll-hole?


I suspect that there's truth to it, but that it has to do more with Lord and Miller approaching the material with their improv comedy thing, and Ehrenreich -- who can act -- not really knowing how to pull that off in the context of a Han Solo film.

It confuses me too, and I'm not on set trying to make it work. Remember that the reports were that Kasdan was very frustrated that Lord and Miller were doing their own thing and not shooting the script, and that it was their approach that got them fired. Without knowing more, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the studio with this one.

Now having said that, it's obviously been a very troubled production, and it remains to be seen if Richie Cunningham can get this thing across the line and resembling a decent film.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 15:33:27


Post by: Kilkrazy


It looks good in the trailer, but trailers are trailers.

Personally I'm not that interested in the Han Solo back story, but if Disney are trying to build out new films based on characters from the existing films, there aren't many that are worth expanding on.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 15:36:43


Post by: Mr Morden


 Kaiyanwang wrote:
I think that the falcon changing between movies is not an issue.
Han looks like the guys that always tinkered with such ship, and one has to add that because of his dangerours life, who knows how many pieces were lost in space because of pirates, monsters, empire... and had to be substituted.
Also once the falcon became part of the rebel ships, it makes sense they could have modified it to suit better an all-combat role, I guess.

I doubt I will watch the movie, unless a friend I find very reliable will tell me is the case.
For sure, I consider the critics unreliable for SW movies from TLJ onward.


Critics = unreliable and as bias as the rest of us - or are operating on behalf of others - see TLJ

Not sure about this - It looks more Rogue One than the Last Jedi crap and the second half of Rogue One was great. Probably wait till it comes on Sky.

Maybe they should have got Guy Ritchie to make it as its a heist type film by the looks of it.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Kilkrazy wrote:
It looks good in the trailer, but trailers are trailers.

Personally I'm not that interested in the Han Solo back story, but if Disney are trying to build out new films based on characters from the existing films, there aren't many that are worth expanding on.


I'd much prefer more in the vein of Rogue One that backstory for specific characters.

Expanding unseen parts of the wider plot can do relatively little harm. But stuff up a character's backstory, and things can go drastically wrong.


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Post by: Kanluwen


 Mr Morden wrote:
 Kaiyanwang wrote:
I think that the falcon changing between movies is not an issue.
Han looks like the guys that always tinkered with such ship, and one has to add that because of his dangerours life, who knows how many pieces were lost in space because of pirates, monsters, empire... and had to be substituted.
Also once the falcon became part of the rebel ships, it makes sense they could have modified it to suit better an all-combat role, I guess.

I doubt I will watch the movie, unless a friend I find very reliable will tell me is the case.
For sure, I consider the critics unreliable for SW movies from TLJ onward.


Critics = unreliable and as bias as the rest of us - or are operating on behalf of others - see TLJ

Not sure about this - It looks more Rogue One than the Last Jedi crap and the second half of Rogue One was great. Probably wait till it comes on Sky.

Maybe they should have got Guy Ritchie to make it as its a heist type film by the looks of it.

I mean, if anyone can do a film like this justice I think Ron Howard has a pretty good chance at it.


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Post by: Yodhrin


 Alpharius wrote:
On the one hand, I'm trying to let the past die, killing it if I have to, but on the other, I'm kinda looking forward to this one too.

What to do?!?

I'll probably go see it, but maybe not, if the reviews are saying it is awful.


Honestly I've pretty much given up on reviewers as a basis for whether or not I see a film now, they've diverged so far from general audience opinion(and, often, my own) that their sole reason for being as far as anyone who isn't a film student has gone. I'll still watch an occasional video review from those reviewers who can have interesting points of view that they're capable of divorcing from whether or not they liked the movie, but you only have to look at the difference between audience and critic scores on review aggregators to see most of the latter seem to have vanished up their own back-passage.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I'm wondering if it is indeed The Falcon....could be any old YT-1300 at the end of the day, and the inspiration for why Han wanted one.

Kinda like how your Uncle takes you for a drive in his Jaguar, and you then want one as your first car? Analogy poorly explained, but hopefully you see where I'm coming from.

That it's been labelled that on some toy boxes spotted so far isn't necessarily strong evidence. After all, they through a googly with various bits of TFA and Rogue One marketing, and mocked up boxes are pretty straight forward ways to keep secrets.


I thought the rumour was that the "heist" they're pulling is the Kessel Run? In which case it deffo is the Falcon.

Either way, I agree with the idea that Rogue One-style new material in the OT(or prequel, or Old Republic, or even better Knights of the Old Republic/Tales of the Jedi) era is better than Characters You Already Know: Junior League style films, but given how hard I've bounced off most of the sequel trilogy I'll take anything I can get in the original setting.


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Post by: Kilkrazy


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
It looks good in the trailer, but trailers are trailers.

Personally I'm not that interested in the Han Solo back story, but if Disney are trying to build out new films based on characters from the existing films, there aren't many that are worth expanding on.


I'd much prefer more in the vein of Rogue One that backstory for specific characters.

Expanding unseen parts of the wider plot can do relatively little harm. But stuff up a character's backstory, and things can go drastically wrong.


Herm. Well, to some extent it would be possible to do a series of films which could be something like:

Guns of Navarone in Star Wars
Bullitt in Star Wars
Mutiny on the Bounty in Star Wars
La La Land in Star Wars
Key Largo in Star Wars
and so on and on -- you get the idea.

However, while technically any kind of story can be put into the general background setting, are they the kind of thing that people would want?


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Post by: Prestor Jon


 welshhoppo wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
 Manchu wrote:
I'm keeping in mind that all the Disney SW trailers have been good.


Same here, but I can't lie. I do want to see how Han Solo became Han Solo.


We already have. It's called A New Hope.

We see a slimeball of a character who kills a man across a table to get out of a bad deal. And watch him develop into a loyal man who gets into trouble to save his friends.

It was a good arc, we didn't need to see him before that.


I think slimeball is an illfitting descriptor of Solo in ANH. Even before he comes back to save Luke in the end he's an interesting and likeable character. He shoots Greedo because Jaba put a dead or alive bounty on his head after he failed to complete a smuggling run, that's more bad luck than bad deal.

My biggest concern with the movie is that they'll focus too much on Solo the pilot with an attitude and make him too likeable. He shouldn't be a Starlord knock off. Origin story Solo needs to be the smuggler who's always looking for an angle, is willing to break the law to make money but still has his own moral code, and is always willing to shoot first to save himself. He should be the type of guy that you'd want to have as a friend but wouldn't want to spend too much time with because you'd end up in jail or dead.

One of my biggest complaints with the sequels is that even though both movies have tried to have dramatic moments and show dangerous, lethal, bad things happening but the tone never carries over, the following scenes have the cast defaulting back to normalcy with witty banter and smiles. It's like they're trying to make the SW movies fit into the Marvel movie template.


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Post by: Manchu


 Alpharius wrote:
I'll probably go see it, but maybe not, if the reviews are saying it is awful.
Reviews won't say it's awful, we can pretty much count on that.


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Post by: kronk


Full trailer is a bit better. Still a trailer, obviously.

They did a good job with Rogue One, so maybe this one won't stink either.


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Post by: Galef


I wonder if they are going to keep the theme of "singularly named one-off titles" with all the anthology films.
Rouge One was a 'rogue one', Solo is 'solo', etc

Makes me wonder what the Obi-wan movie will be called. "Obi-1"?


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Post by: Alpharius


 Manchu wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
I'll probably go see it, but maybe not, if the reviews are saying it is awful.
Reviews won't say it's awful, we can pretty much count on that.


Surely there are reviewers we can trust somewhere?!?

I should clarify - there are a few people in this thread that I'd trust in terms of a review...


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Post by: Frazzled


It looked..ok. Note I would be jazzed about a nice Solo prequel, especially if it ends with him sitting at the Mos Eisley bar.

Note: I did not see the last Star Wars movie.


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Post by: Galef


 Frazzled wrote:
It looked..ok. Note I would be jazzed about a nice Solo prequel, especially if it ends with him sitting at the Mos Eisley bar.

I really hope this isn't the case. it worked for R1 to have isn't events lead right up to ANH, but I don't think it would work for this film. ESPECIALLY since the actor doesn't really look like Harrison Ford in 1977.
I could forgive the lack of resemblance better if there is a bit more time between Solo and ANH (at least a few years).

-


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 18:43:37


Post by: Mr Morden


 Alpharius wrote:
 Manchu wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
I'll probably go see it, but maybe not, if the reviews are saying it is awful.
Reviews won't say it's awful, we can pretty much count on that.


Surely there are reviewers we can trust somewhere?!?

I should clarify - there are a few people in this thread that I'd trust in terms of a review...


Trust? Well they can tell you what they think about a film but thats about it, unless they have similar taste to you it pretty worthless.

Do we know who the female character is?


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 18:57:55


Post by: kronk


 Mr Morden wrote:


Do we know who the female character is?


A young Ackmena, obviously...

Spoiler:


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Post by: gorgon


Personally, I think it would really be nice if we could save the looney tunes critic conspiracy hogwash for the TLJ thread.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


That would be nice.

Just because someone enjoys something you don’t, doesn’t mean they’ve been paid off....


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Post by: Kaiyanwang


The issue with critics and which elements of a movie are given priority have been discussed profusely in the TLJ thread, and in the BR2049 one to some extent.
And even the counterpoints given were way smarter than these two dismissing last posts I had the misfortune to read.

Said this, ok - is a whole new movie, let's try an open mind and a blank state.


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Post by: Mr Morden


so are these all new characters with Han or Eu people - I have never really read the latter.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 21:45:15


Post by: Alpharius


I don't think there are "EU People" anymore.

You don't have to know anything beforehand about the old EU People in order to watch his movie.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 21:49:10


Post by: Compel


I've certainly heard a lot about Han being really bad, but Lando being really good.


There's certainly something not normal about a major major film, having the teaser released yesterday, the trailer released today and the film in the cinemas in 3 months time.


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Post by: Riquende


I'm now convinced that if they really wanted to do a Star Wars Heist movie, and cram in the Millennium Falcon, what they really should have made (to avoid potentially ruining Han) was:

Lando - Hope & Glory: A Star Wars story.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 22:11:29


Post by: gorgon


 Compel wrote:
There's certainly something not normal about a major major film, having the teaser released yesterday, the trailer released today and the film in the cinemas in 3 months time.


Well, it's not normal to fire directors near the end of principal photography and hire another director to refilm much of it.

It's *possible* that Howard hits the inside straight on this thing, though. At least as far as general audiences are concerned.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/05 23:01:38


Post by: ScootyPuffJunior


I'm really curious to see when exactly in the Star Wars chronology this movie takes place.

Han Solo was 29 in Star Wars, making him 10 years older than Luke. Harrison Ford was almost 34 when he started filming in 1976 so he was effectively playing a character five years younger than himself. Alden Ehrenreich is 28 so it stands to reason that he'll be playing a Han Solo in his early-to-mid 20s so I'm assuming that that this is only 5 or 6 years before we first meet in Mos Eisley.


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Post by: Graphite


Which seems logical, and means that Han has been the absolute hell out of the inside of the Falcon, regardless of what's going on with the cargo prongs


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Post by: -Loki-


One of the crew in the new trailer looks a lot like Maz Kanata.


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Post by: Voss


 -Loki- wrote:
One of the crew in the new trailer looks a lot like Maz Kanata.


Somewhat, but if you pause at 0:36, the alien in question has 4 arms.


The actor seems fairly fine. The 'acting coach' thing seems to be an outgrowth of his role in Hail, Caesar where he was deliberately playing an inept actor (a singing stunt cowboy suddenly transferred over to the lead role in a set-piece high society romance)




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Post by: ZergSmasher


After seeing the trailer, I'm cautiously optimistic. I don't appreciate the visual changes to the Falcon, but maybe this is how it looked when Han first won the ship from Lando, so I'll just wait and see. Given that Rogue One was the best of the Disney Star Wars movies (to me at least) I think that this one should be okay. Hopefully at least better than TLJ, which was very meh.


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Post by: xKillGorex


Second what Zerg said, il wait till I see it. Loved rogue one when leaving the cinema. Didn’t mind the last Jedi, if I enjoy it then it’s good enough for me, but yeah not sure what’s up with the Falcon yet.


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Post by: ScootyPuffJunior


 Graphite wrote:
Which seems logical, and means that Han has been the absolute hell out of the inside of the Falcon, regardless of what's going on with the cargo prongs

That part bothers me.

According to the official canon, the Falcon is at least or nearly 90 years old in the Original Trilogy. This movie probably takes place between five or seven years before the OT, so the ship has gone from an already old but pristine looking ship to a “piece of junk” in a couple of years.

That being said, I’m going to wager that something borderline catastrophic happens to the ship during the movie to explain why it looks the way we all remember it looking.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/06 11:28:48


Post by: welshhoppo


 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
 Graphite wrote:
Which seems logical, and means that Han has been the absolute hell out of the inside of the Falcon, regardless of what's going on with the cargo prongs

That part bothers me.

According to the official canon, the Falcon is at least or nearly 90 years old in the Original Trilogy. This movie probably takes place between five or seven years before the OT, so the ship has gone from an already old but pristine looking ship to a “piece of junk” in a couple of years.

That being said, I’m going to wager that something borderline catastrophic happens to the ship during the movie to explain why it looks the way we all remember looking.


1. Falcon gets damaged.
2. Han has to foot an expensive repair bill, can't afford pristine parts.
3. Has to smuggle stuff for Jabba to pay for new and shiny parts.
4 Enter A New Hope.


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Post by: Graphite


Yeah, MOST of the Falcon made the Kessel run in 12 parsecs


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
 Graphite wrote:
Which seems logical, and means that Han has been the absolute hell out of the inside of the Falcon, regardless of what's going on with the cargo prongs

That part bothers me.

According to the official canon, the Falcon is at least or nearly 90 years old in the Original Trilogy. This movie probably takes place between five or seven years before the OT, so the ship has gone from an already old but pristine looking ship to a “piece of junk” in a couple of years.

That being said, I’m going to wager that something borderline catastrophic happens to the ship during the movie to explain why it looks the way we all remember looking.


Looks fire damaged to me - and we're still assuming it's definitely The Falcon, and not A.N.Other YT-1300, called The Falcon for sneaky marketing reasons.

Could we also discover that Parsecs are indeed a measure of distance, and it's instead a testament to Han's skill as a pilot that he can fly routes no-one else can?


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/06 12:25:40


Post by: Do_I_Not_Like_That


The name's Bond. Han Bond.

The Falcon flying between a narrow crevasse to avoid TIE fighters?

I've seen that before...somewhere...




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 Frazzled wrote:
It looked..ok. Note I would be jazzed about a nice Solo prequel, especially if it ends with him sitting at the Mos Eisley bar.

Note: I did not see the last Star Wars movie.


It's like Empire Strikes back, minus the good stuff, mixed in with Twilight, or some other teen film or something...



Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/06 12:28:55


Post by: djones520


I was kind of OK with the full trailer, until the very end. I'm just so freaking tired of that "Hey it's ok OMG IT'S NOT" trope.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/06 13:49:26


Post by: Alpharius


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
 Graphite wrote:
Which seems logical, and means that Han has been the absolute hell out of the inside of the Falcon, regardless of what's going on with the cargo prongs

That part bothers me.

According to the official canon, the Falcon is at least or nearly 90 years old in the Original Trilogy. This movie probably takes place between five or seven years before the OT, so the ship has gone from an already old but pristine looking ship to a “piece of junk” in a couple of years.

That being said, I’m going to wager that something borderline catastrophic happens to the ship during the movie to explain why it looks the way we all remember looking.


Looks fire damaged to me - and we're still assuming it's definitely The Falcon, and not A.N.Other YT-1300, called The Falcon for sneaky marketing reasons.

Could we also discover that Parsecs are indeed a measure of distance, and it's instead a testament to Han's skill as a pilot that he can fly routes no-one else can?


That's been the prevailing theory for some time now.

No points for you.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/06 13:55:48


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Or they'll stick with it being a unit of time!


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/06 13:59:19


Post by: trexmeyer


Now I just want to know who Alpherius would trust with this review...


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Also what the hell is with the giant Lovecraftian tentacle monster?


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/06 14:28:41


Post by: Yodhrin


I'm thinking the "love tunnel" tentacle battle sequence IS the Kessel Run, or part of it anyway - some kind of super-unstable hyperspace thingie or gravity storm wotsit that is how they're choosing to depict the "shortcut" that lets Han pull it off in less distance than everyone else.

If so, there will be some kind of "race against time" element to the story, probably based on one of the crew Old Grumpy Smuggler was putting together betraying the others and having a head start to the Macguffin.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/06 17:15:28


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Graphite wrote:
Yeah, MOST of the Falcon made the Kessel run in 12 parsecs


There's some part of the Falcon that will always be making the Kessel Run. Perhaps it's just Kessel Running from itself.


A straight-up heist movie with colorful character set in the Star Wars movie looks way more exciting than what I had expected from the first teaser. I am cautiously optimistic.


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 djones520 wrote:
I was kind of OK with the full trailer, until the very end. I'm just so freaking tired of that "Hey it's ok OMG IT'S NOT" trope.


To be fair, that's pretty much Han's thing.


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Post by: AndrewGPaul


There's no canon description of the Kessel run now, so I suppose they can say what they like without fear of contradiction.

Likewise, the only "canon" depiction of the Falcon before ANH is in the background of a shot in TPM, where it looks completely different, so ignoring that is also easy.


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Post by: Kilkrazy


Canon is the enemy of fun and spontaneous creation.


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Post by: Alpharius



 Kilkrazy wrote:
Canon is the enemy of fun and spontaneous creation.


!!!DISINGENUOUS POST ALERT!!


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/06 21:57:19


Post by: Azreal13


The big advantage this movie has, as far as I'm concerned, is the burden of expectation is substantially lighter than on any of the Disney era pictures so far. If it turns out to be anything less than "meh" I'll be pleasantly surprised.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/06 22:04:06


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Kilkrazy wrote:
Canon is the enemy of fun and spontaneous creation.


That's why nobody likes to create their own space marine chapters. Canon. So unfun. If only there were never any developed settings, we could finally have fun in our sci fi.


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Post by: Grey Templar


 Azreal13 wrote:
The big advantage this movie has, as far as I'm concerned, is the burden of expectation is substantially lighter than on any of the Disney era pictures so far. If it turns out to be anything less than "meh" I'll be pleasantly surprised.


Indeed. As long as Han Solo is the murdering "Shoot first" scum bag he was in the Mos Eisley Cantina its all gonna be good.


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Post by: welshhoppo


 Graphite wrote:
Yeah, MOST of the Falcon made the Kessel run in 12 parsecs



Falcon of Theseus?


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/07 08:09:09


Post by: A Town Called Malus


 TheCustomLime wrote:
 trexmeyer wrote:
Will not be surprised if this turns out better than the sequels.

Rewatching Rogue One made me realize that the sequels are missing some very key elements. The sets are overly pristine, Lucas wanted a used universe, there are minimal OT aliens (WTF are the Twi'leks?), and I'll admit that the First Order is a terribly cheap knock off of the Empire.



Something that bothered me about the Sequels was the lack of aliens in the main cast besides Chewbacca. And yeah, what happened to the Twi'leks? Did they all die off or something?


As for the trailer? It looks alright. I'll probably go see it. I enjoyed all of the recent Star Wars movies even if I think story-wise they have... glaring issues.


You mean the twi'leks who are basically absent from the whole original trilogy? The only one of any prominence is the dancer in Jabba's palace and she ends up as Rancor food.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
 Azreal13 wrote:
The big advantage this movie has, as far as I'm concerned, is the burden of expectation is substantially lighter than on any of the Disney era pictures so far. If it turns out to be anything less than "meh" I'll be pleasantly surprised.


Indeed. As long as Han Solo is the murdering "Shoot first" scum bag he was in the Mos Eisley Cantina its all gonna be good.


Alternatively, this film may start him as being more idealistic and tell the story of that side of him being beaten up by the galaxy and repressed until Leia and Luke can bring it back out of him in the OT.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/07 08:25:31


Post by: Manchu


Bib Fortuna was also a Twi'lek.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/07 08:28:13


Post by: A Town Called Malus


 Manchu wrote:
Bib Fortuna was also a Twi'lek.


Oops. Okay, two twi'leks of prominence. Hardly making them an iconic alien of the OT. Ewoks probably get more screen time.


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Post by: Manchu


TBH twi'leks have been very iconic since RotJ. There have been twi'lek EU characters from the start.


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Post by: Mr Morden


 Manchu wrote:
TBH twi'leks have been very iconic since RotJ. There have been twi'lek EU characters from the start.


They certainly appear in a lot of Ahem "art".


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/07 12:47:42


Post by: kronk


Nearly every video game and RPG let you be human, twi'lek, Wookie, or Droid. That's pretty Iconic in my book.

*Not sure about West End Games Star Wars.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/07 14:50:29


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


WEG definitely did.

You could even play an Ewok, if you hate your GM!


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/07 15:37:01


Post by: Kaiyanwang


 kronk wrote:
Nearly every video game and RPG let you be human, twi'lek, Wookie, or Droid. That's pretty Iconic in my book.

*Not sure about West End Games Star Wars.

I think it falls in the niche too, of "not human, but close enough" + "exotic attractive". A role an elf would have for many in a fantasy setting.
Also, since they are human-like, is easier for the creators to draw/animate them, I guess.

I do not contest the popularity, anyway.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/22 10:34:48


Post by: Dreadwinter





So, somebody re-cut the Trailer with Sabotage behind it.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/22 22:03:58


Post by: chromedog


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
WEG definitely did.

You could even play an Ewok, if you hate your GM!


"Yub nub" [waggles fingers]. Ewok force sensitive here. Yes, I was taking the piss. I was basically the team's "dog" (think "famous five").


Our GM once sent us to rescue a religious group of force sensitive Gamorrean females from an Imperial prison world.

We had to save the "Nuns of Gavaro'on"


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/23 08:31:06


Post by: A Town Called Malus


 chromedog wrote:

We had to save the "Nuns of Gavaro'on"


I like it


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/26 14:50:29


Post by: ProtoClone


Looks interesting.

Though, I have to say, I think Guy Ritchie (Snatch) would have been brilliant for our two scoundrels.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/26 15:09:16


Post by: Frazzled


Saw the trailer in the theater last night. I'm like their perfect fan for this movie but that looked utterly forgettable. Wasn't jazzed at all.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/26 17:07:16


Post by: AndrewGPaul


 ProtoClone wrote:
Looks interesting.

Though, I have to say, I think Guy Ritchie (Snatch) would have been brilliant for our two scoundrels.


Who would Vinnie Jones play, and whose head would he smash in a Lambda shuttle's hatch?


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/26 17:26:13


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


The disco Star Wars fanfare at the end reminds me of Quentin Tarantino's Star Wars.




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Post by: Frazzled


 Alpharius wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Canon is the enemy of fun and spontaneous creation.


!!!DISINGENUOUS POST ALERT!!


Mod Fight! Two Mods enter! One Mod leaves!


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/02/27 11:39:32


Post by: Dreadwinter


 AndrewGPaul wrote:
 ProtoClone wrote:
Looks interesting.

Though, I have to say, I think Guy Ritchie (Snatch) would have been brilliant for our two scoundrels.


Who would Vinnie Jones play, and whose head would he smash in a Lambda shuttle's hatch?


A wookie friend of Chewies?

I need this now.


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Post by: ingtaer


Beat me to it Reds8n, this new trailer actually makes me feel a little more hopeful about the film now. However apparently they are now teasing trailers the day before...


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/09 10:15:42


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Wasn't turn off by the first trailer, instead just mildly enthused.

This one however has raised that enthusiasm somewhat.

Definitely going to see it on the big screen, but still allowing that it might well be a misfire.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/09 11:41:03


Post by: War Drone


I "was" put off by the first trailer. No longer.

Though I'm not sold on the guy playing Han...


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/09 11:57:42


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I'm slightly more worried about Lando. He's a great actor, but he just didn't seem to have the right roguish charm in the clip.

Compare to Billy Dee Williams still absolutely nailing it during his two start turns in Rebels.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/09 20:35:39


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


Still not really excited for this.

As for the actors I'm not enjoying Han or Lando in these trailers. Rather than just playing Han or Lando, they seem to be playing Harrison Ford playing Han and Billy Dee playing Lando.

Dont know it that makes sense to anyone else, but it just doesnt seem right.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/09 21:17:03


Post by: Galef


 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Rather than just playing Han or Lando, they seem to be playing Harrison Ford playing Han and Billy Dee playing Lando.

That should be a reason to be excited though.

Or at least it seems to me that most people's apprehension is because the actors DON"T resemble Harrision or Billy Dee enough in appearance or manner.

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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


Id rather them just try to play Han or Lando, and not play Harrison Ford playing Han.

If we're gonna have them be those characters they should be them, with some influence from the originals, not just emulating the originals.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/09 21:42:07


Post by: insaniak


That second trailer looks pretty awesome. I'm still not feeling either Han or Lando, but if I can ignore who they are supposed to be it should be fun.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/09 21:56:37


Post by: AegisGrimm


My wife is even exited to go see it after this new trailer. Her thought was "Why is it that these secondary films are better than the new trilogy at being Star Wars?"


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/09 23:43:59


Post by: Vulcan


The trailer looks good. But then, so did the trailers for TLJ. I really have little hope for DisneyWars anymore.

If - IF - any of my friends see this and give it a walk-on-water review I might go see it. Might. I'm that gun-shy at this point.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/10 00:13:04


Post by: ZergSmasher


This looks to be much better than TLJ was. More like Rogue One in terms of quality, and it was far better than the sequels so far. I'm already excited for this movie!


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/11 19:47:55


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Spoiler relating to toy releases.

Spoiler:
Caught a video showing off the new toy releases for the Solo movie, including the 3.75” ‘Kessel Run’ Falcon.

Now of course, the name itself is a smol spoiler.

It also features blast off panels to the front and the rear (at least, there may be more) that reveal the more familiar hull of the past 41 years So it seems the old girl may well end the movie with the familiar look.

Oh, and the front part? Detaches a smol, one figure shuttle. Whether that represents something from the movie though is anyone’s guess.

The toy itself is pretty cool. It has motion activated sound effects



Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/11 21:37:21


Post by: Manchu


What's with spelling "small" as "smol"? Britishism?

I expect that this movie will end with Han, Chewie, and the Falcon being ready for their scenes in ANH. That's part of the engineering of these investments magic of these movies.


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Post by: Kilkrazy


I like the idea of a Millenium Falcon toy with digital components that give it motion activated sounds and sound activated movements.



Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/12 17:30:38


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


 Manchu wrote:
What's with spelling "small" as "smol"? Britishism?

I expect that this movie will end with Han, Chewie, and the Falcon being ready for their scenes in ANH. That's part of the engineering of these investments magic of these movies.


I hope not, because in ANH Han and Chewie seemed like they'd known each other a while. At least that was my impression that admittedly could be warped by years of supplementary media, but its what I got out of watching the movie. But here it seems more like they know each other alot less considering the comments about age and knowing how to fly.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/12 17:38:33


Post by: Manchu


I had the impression from ANH that the Rebellion was a coherent group ideologically committed to overthrowing tye Empire and restoring the Republic. But then Rogue One came out and we found out the leadership of the Rebellion was basically ready to give up a week or two before the destruction of the Death Star.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/12 18:08:48


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


Fair point.


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Post by: gorgon


 Manchu wrote:
I had the impression from ANH that the Rebellion was a coherent group ideologically committed to overthrowing tye Empire and restoring the Republic. But then Rogue One came out and we found out the leadership of the Rebellion was basically ready to give up a week or two before the destruction of the Death Star.


I wonder how much of that is rooted in the rework? The rumor mill suggested that Jyn's character changed, and that seems likely given what we saw in the final version. Perhaps the issues and doubt within the Rebels were amped up so that Jyn could serve as the agent of hope?

Personally I think it's okay for the Rebels to be portrayed as being somewhat fractured. That just feels real. But yes, looking like they're ready to give up doesn't seem to make sense.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/12 18:28:44


Post by: Hulksmash


I thought it worked. Remember we meet the rebellion in ANH right after they've destroyed a planet full of people and disbanded the senate. Before that it might have seemed like they could work within the system and you had a bit of "well maybe we can live with this". Then Boom! Senates gone, they've actually used the super weapon, and now that super weapon is coming for you.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/12 18:30:06


Post by: A Town Called Malus


 gorgon wrote:
 Manchu wrote:
I had the impression from ANH that the Rebellion was a coherent group ideologically committed to overthrowing tye Empire and restoring the Republic. But then Rogue One came out and we found out the leadership of the Rebellion was basically ready to give up a week or two before the destruction of the Death Star.


I wonder how much of that is rooted in the rework? The rumor mill suggested that Jyn's character changed, and that seems likely given what we saw in the final version. Perhaps the issues and doubt within the Rebels were amped up so that Jyn could serve as the agent of hope?

Personally I think it's okay for the Rebels to be portrayed as being somewhat fractured. That just feels real. But yes, looking like they're ready to give up doesn't seem to make sense.


To be fair, a giant superweapon which at the time had no known weakness had just been developed. Also, it seemed that there was no possible way to get at the plans required to find any weakness.

Seems like a reasonable time to be contemplating giving up.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/12 18:36:49


Post by: Paradigm


Keep in mind that the battle of Scarif represents the first major victory for the Rebellion against the Empire. You can see how that would galvanise the Rebels that might have been on the verge of giving up after years of defeats, casualties and ultimately getting nowhere, who were then told about a seemingly invulnerable weapon that could destroy their entire military capacity in seconds.

After Scarif, thanks to the sacrifice of Rogue One, they have a chance against something that, hours before that battle, seemed unbeatable, something that makes those sacrifices worth it. I'd say the course of events makes such a shift in perspective pre- and post-Scarif plausible.

This isn't even anything new, the opening crawl of ANH talks about the Rebels having won their first major victory against the Empire. All R1 does is reframe that; the battle of Yavin isn't the triumphant climax of the Rebel insurgency, it's a desperate Hail Mary shot to make years of resistance count for something.



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Post by: Manchu


As Hulksmash pointed out, the Death Star would only harden opposition to the Empire.

IMO as soon as sophisticated politicians heard of a Death Star, they would immediately get that it's purpose is to accelerate the ongoing centralization of power/deconstruction of democracy.

The scene in R1 where the Alliance leadership is on the verge of giving up is just bizarre. To answer Gorgon, it goes without saying that the whole scene was written so Jyn Erso can give an inspiring speech. Nothing in ANH implies the Rebellion is tissue-paper-in-rain fragile, as depicted in that scene.

Paradigm, Scarif happens about 5-10 days (if not less) before Yavin. There is a strange time collapse here created by Disney's need to hook the first non-trilogy film up to the trilogy.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/12 18:47:09


Post by: Captain Joystick


 gorgon wrote:
 Manchu wrote:
I had the impression from ANH that the Rebellion was a coherent group ideologically committed to overthrowing tye Empire and restoring the Republic. But then Rogue One came out and we found out the leadership of the Rebellion was basically ready to give up a week or two before the destruction of the Death Star.


I wonder how much of that is rooted in the rework? The rumor mill suggested that Jyn's character changed, and that seems likely given what we saw in the final version. Perhaps the issues and doubt within the Rebels were amped up so that Jyn could serve as the agent of hope?

Personally I think it's okay for the Rebels to be portrayed as being somewhat fractured. That just feels real. But yes, looking like they're ready to give up doesn't seem to make sense.


The Lucasfilm showrunners used the buyout as an opportunity to 'redo' a lot of the ideas that existed in the EU but hadn't been committed to film yet. The idea that the Rebellion was a much messier Alliance of disperate factions which was still working out how 'hard' they were going to push is a big part of that, you can see them laying that out in Rebels, Tarkin, and Aftermath.


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Post by: Paradigm


The proximity in time between Scarif and Yavin is exactly why it make sense; the Rebels are still on the up after the victory, there hasn't been time yet for the Empire to start carrying out reprisals (Alderaan being the first instance, at least that we know about) so at that point, everyone on Yavin believes they have a shot at winning once and for all by taking out the Death Star. The momentum is with them. Any longer between Scarif and Yavin and the doubts would creep back in.

In the space of 10 days (if we're being generous) you have the following events:

- The destruction of Jedha. Panic as rumours of a superweapon begin to circulate, and some among the Rebel leadership (quite sensibly) think that they're next on the list, their position is hopeless.

- The battle of Scarif. For once, the Rebels win. The Death Star is not invincible and despite heavy losses, the mission succeeds. The morale of the Rebellion surely skyrockets following the victory.

- The destruction of Alderaan. It becomes apparent The Empire has to be stopped NOW. Surrender, try and negotiate, and your planet is turned to dust. At this point, the only options are all coming together for one final strike, or face total annihilation.

- The battle of Yavin. What's left of the Rebellion, buoyed by the win at Scarif and enraged by the fate of Alderaan and the dissolution of the Senate, understands that this is all or nothing. Surrender is no longer an option, nor is diplomacy. Fight or die.


This makes total sense to me. The Death Star is a weapon meant to inspire terror. Of course it causes some of the less committed Rebels to question their commitment when it's first unveiled, that is its entire reason to be. Once it's used, that threat becomes reality and any decisions are already made; you can die fighting the Empire, or you can live knowing that if they ever find out you were a Rebel your planet could be next on the list.

The options of the Rebels narrow dramatically in that period, so going from division to unity is entirely logical, as by the time of Yavin it's the only choice left. And as Jyn says, the Rebellion is built on hope. While the Death Star appears invulnerable, there is no hope. Once there's a potential weakness, hope returns. It's the central theme of the film.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/12 19:05:00


Post by: Kanluwen


 Captain Joystick wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
 Manchu wrote:
I had the impression from ANH that the Rebellion was a coherent group ideologically committed to overthrowing tye Empire and restoring the Republic. But then Rogue One came out and we found out the leadership of the Rebellion was basically ready to give up a week or two before the destruction of the Death Star.


I wonder how much of that is rooted in the rework? The rumor mill suggested that Jyn's character changed, and that seems likely given what we saw in the final version. Perhaps the issues and doubt within the Rebels were amped up so that Jyn could serve as the agent of hope?

Personally I think it's okay for the Rebels to be portrayed as being somewhat fractured. That just feels real. But yes, looking like they're ready to give up doesn't seem to make sense.


The Lucasfilm showrunners used the buyout as an opportunity to 'redo' a lot of the ideas that existed in the EU but hadn't been committed to film yet. The idea that the Rebellion was a much messier Alliance of disperate factions which was still working out how 'hard' they were going to push is a big part of that, you can see them laying that out in Rebels, Tarkin, and Aftermath.

Hell, you can see parts of it back with the original "Thrawn" books by Timothy Zahn. Garm bel Iblis and the whole "Corellian Treaty" things.


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Post by: Manchu


The very short time between Scarif and Yavin is fine. The weird thing is that the R1 Alliance is on the verge of collapse but there are no signs of the organization being fragile in ANH. The way I rationalize this, from an in-universe perspective, is that we now know the Rebellion can get sleazy when Princesses aren't handing out medals to farmboys and nerf herders. So, to me, there was a power struggle between the more conservative, diplomacy-oriented leaders and the radicalized militant leaders and the lucky bumbling on Scarif gave the latter cover to quickly outmaneuver and possibly dispose of their rivals. None of those guys appear in the OT, after all.

@Kanluwen - it was also a theme in the Force Unleashed games.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/12 20:29:53


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


You’re also talking about survivors of the Clone Wars.

The Death Star and it’s near immediate destruction is what enabled the Rebels to actually win in the end.

As I’ve said before, the Death Star (clearly never intended to be just one of them) was what Palpatine needed to cast off the last vestiges of democracy. Because with that toy, it doesn’t matter if people object - you’ll destroy their planet. And being such a monolithic deterrent also frees up much of your regular fleet.

Rogue One beautifully enhances the Death Star conference. Think about the conversation there ‘The Rebel Alliance are a threat’ ‘yeah, to your star fleet Admiral, not to this battle station’. Tarkin clearly states ‘fear of this battle station will keep the local systems in line’, justifying The Emperor’s disbanding of the senate.

That was meant to be Palpatine’s triumph. You can see the arrogance oozing from Imperial High Command. Then some sod in an X-Wing goes and blows it up the next day.

By that point, it’s far too late. Palpatine has played his hand. He’s seized power, annihilated an unarmed planet, and revealed his true face to the Galaxy.

As Leia says - the more you tighten your grip, the more systems will slip through your fingers.

The destruction of the first Death Star was a clarion call. Look how far Palpatine will go. But he and his armies are categorically not invulnerable. They can be faced in open battle and defeated, one battle at a time.

At that point, the jig is well and truly up. More and more systems feel able to at least challenge Imperial supremacy, if not outright join the rebellion. This puts a strain on the Imperial Navy - and provides the Rebellion with new allies, and information.

Rogue One is frankly a superb addition to the canon.


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Post by: Manchu


But every point you just stated was made in ANH rather than R1.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Rogue One enhances it.

We get to see The Empire’s general bruality first hand. Roughing people up, taking whatever they want.

You don’t need to see Rogue One for A New Hope, but it sure as hell enhances it all.


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Post by: Vulcan


My one trifling complaint with Rogue One is how it somewhat undermines the characters of Tarkin and Leia.

Tarkin comes across as a bureaucratic claim-jumper. Yes, he may have been brought in early to get it started, but then he abandoned it. Krennic took over, brought it to completion, and only then does Tarkin return, just in time to avoid all the hard work and take all the credit.

(Krennic doesn't impress much either; for some reason he puts the burden of designing the ultimate weapon on someone who's a proven security risk. Surely there can't be THAT few people capable of working out the kinks in the design...)

In some ways Leia comes across worse. Her argument that the Tantive IV was 'an ambassadorial ship on a diplomatic mission' is HEAVYILY undermined by the fact that Vader - the very person she's making the argument to - personally saw the ship blast out of Scarif with his own eyes. Heck, he came within inches of actually boarding her ship before it got away. It makes her seem.... well, like a whiney teenager caught red-handed sneaking back in really late at night trying to say she had never actually left. What seemed a plausible excuse before Rogue One now seems pretty darn weak.

Having said that, well, everything else in the movie was between good and brilliant, so I'll let those little slips go.

It's just terribly sad that instead of giving us an Episode VIII the equal of Rogue One, we got the steaming pile of.... raw sewage... that was The Last Jedi.


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Post by: Chillreaper


 Vulcan wrote:


In some ways Leia comes across worse. Her argument that the Tantive IV was 'an ambassadorial ship on a diplomatic mission' is HEAVYILY undermined by the fact that Vader - the very person she's making the argument to - personally saw the ship blast out of Scarif with his own eyes. Heck, he came within inches of actually boarding her ship before it got away. It makes her seem.... well, like a whiney teenager caught red-handed sneaking back in really late at night trying to say she had never actually left. What seemed a plausible excuse before Rogue One now seems pretty darn weak.



That's why I love watching ANH straight after Rogue One.

If you can imagine that it takes place mere hours after R1, you can just feel the anger coming from Vader when he confronts her and she pulls that "diplomatic mission" line on him. I think that it was amazingly restrained of him to not force choke her there and then.

Added bonus, his helmet looks all scuffed up as if he's just waded through a corridor of Rebels firing blasters at him.

I know it's all a bit strange because of the costume design and budget from a film made 40 years earlier, but it works for me.


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Post by: Grey Templar


Thats probably why Vader choked Antilles to death, right as he pulled the "Abassador's Ship" line. And Vader then says in a mocking tone "If this is a counselors ship, where is the ambassador!"


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Post by: Spinner


 Chillreaper wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:


In some ways Leia comes across worse. Her argument that the Tantive IV was 'an ambassadorial ship on a diplomatic mission' is HEAVYILY undermined by the fact that Vader - the very person she's making the argument to - personally saw the ship blast out of Scarif with his own eyes. Heck, he came within inches of actually boarding her ship before it got away. It makes her seem.... well, like a whiney teenager caught red-handed sneaking back in really late at night trying to say she had never actually left. What seemed a plausible excuse before Rogue One now seems pretty darn weak.



That's why I love watching ANH straight after Rogue One.

If you can imagine that it takes place mere hours after R1, you can just feel the anger coming from Vader when he confronts her and she pulls that "diplomatic mission" line on him. I think that it was amazingly restrained of him to not force choke her there and then.

Added bonus, his helmet looks all scuffed up as if he's just waded through a corridor of Rebels firing blasters at him.

I know it's all a bit strange because of the costume design and budget from a film made 40 years earlier, but it works for me.


Agreed. Honestly, Rogue One made that scene better for me with regards to Leia as well. Vader had already fired on the ship, boarded it, and killed a bunch of the crew. Leia's not dumb, she had to know that telling him a lie about being on a diplomatic mission isn't going to do anything to help her.

But if he literally just watched them fly away from a large-scale Rebel victory, it'd be a fun little way to tell him 'screw you, I'm not cooperating' on the way to the detention cell.


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Post by: Manchu


Darth Vader is probably bored and depressed most of the time. In R1, we see that he lives in a castle on the planet where he murdered his wife and got owned by his former BFF. At home, he's just a quadriplegic hanging out in his bacta bathtub while the Emperor's red-robed spies babysit him. Not much fun compared to being a prequels-era Jedi, somersaulting all over the place dismantling Confederacy droids.

Krennic, let's face it, is not great company. Nonetheless, Vader seems eager to chat and the highlight of that audience is our Dark Lord cracking a corny joke. Similarly, the shot of the Devastator arriving over Scarif, where the ship abruptly rushes up to dominate the screen, communicates Vader's hankering for fun, which is confirmed when he boards Profundity alone.

I really wonder whether Edwards was influenced by the scene in ESB where Lando serves up his erstwhile friends to Vader in one of Cloud City's formal dining rooms. Vader clearly set that up and even had a dry joke prepared: "We would be honored if you would join us." How long was he saving that one? (And was Boba Fett wincing behind his helmet?) That same dramatic flair is present when Vader finds himself in a darkened hallway with a dozen terrified Rebel troopers. You know there is a moment there when he thinks to himself, this is gonna be so badass when I ignite my lightsaber. Some people describe the ensuing massacre as Vader being enraged. But he's clearly having a grand time, slicing and dicing, even if he has less mobility than in the good old days.

That shot of Vader watching the Tantive IV escape is definitely obligatory and Edwards totally missed the opportunity to have Vader emote. By the time he catches up to the blockade runner, Vader lets his squad handle the boarding action. He must be feeling a little pouty but I think he's having fun again by the time he's murdering Captain Antilles. I mean, he hardly let's the dude answer his questions. He's just so caught up in doing villain stuff.

Sadly, most of the rest of ANH is "back to the office" type drudgery for Big V: miserable staff meetings and hovering around awkwardly. He gets to torture Leia and kill Obi-Wan though so pretty good. But that same sense of "oh boy fun time" glee is present in his hustle to the fighter bay to go out in space and shoot some scum in a barrel. Of course, if you really want to see Vader having fun - probably the most fun of his whole life - that's where ESB comes in.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Interesting points.

An New Hope is what, 19 years after Revenge of the Sitn?

Vader likely hasn’t had a proper challenge in over a decade. Like, at all. Order 66 dealt with most of the Jedi, leaving mere mopping up and rooting out.

Poor sod, when you think how dynamic he was as Anakin.


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Post by: Graphite


 Manchu wrote:
The very short time between Scarif and Yavin is fine. The weird thing is that the R1 Alliance is on the verge of collapse but there are no signs of the organization being fragile in ANH. The way I rationalize this, from an in-universe perspective, is that we now know the Rebellion can get sleazy when Princesses aren't handing out medals to farmboys and nerf herders. So, to me, there was a power struggle between the more conservative, diplomacy-oriented leaders and the radicalized militant leaders and the lucky bumbling on Scarif gave the latter cover to quickly outmaneuver and possibly dispose of their rivals. None of those guys appear in the OT, after all.

@Kanluwen - it was also a theme in the Force Unleashed games.


But a large proportion the really nasty, murderous and extremely dubious people in the rebellion (Saw, Andor and his black ops assassin squad) get wiped out in Rogue One. That's presumably one reason why the rebellion is so squeaky clean in general in the subsequent films.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/19 10:24:37


Post by: Mr Morden


 Manchu wrote:
Darth Vader is probably bored and depressed most of the time. In R1, we see that he lives in a castle on the planet where he murdered his wife and got owned by his former BFF. At home, he's just a quadriplegic hanging out in his bacta bathtub while the Emperor's red-robed spies babysit him. Not much fun compared to being a prequels-era Jedi, somersaulting all over the place dismantling Confederacy droids.

Krennic, let's face it, is not great company. Nonetheless, Vader seems eager to chat and the highlight of that audience is our Dark Lord cracking a corny joke. Similarly, the shot of the Devastator arriving over Scarif, where the ship abruptly rushes up to dominate the screen, communicates Vader's hankering for fun, which is confirmed when he boards Profundity alone.

I really wonder whether Edwards was influenced by the scene in ESB where Lando serves up his erstwhile friends to Vader in one of Cloud City's formal dining rooms. Vader clearly set that up and even had a dry joke prepared: "We would be honored if you would join us." How long was he saving that one? (And was Boba Fett wincing behind his helmet?) That same dramatic flair is present when Vader finds himself in a darkened hallway with a dozen terrified Rebel troopers. You know there is a moment there when he thinks to himself, this is gonna be so badass when I ignite my lightsaber. Some people describe the ensuing massacre as Vader being enraged. But he's clearly having a grand time, slicing and dicing, even if he has less mobility than in the good old days.

That shot of Vader watching the Tantive IV escape is definitely obligatory and Edwards totally missed the opportunity to have Vader emote. By the time he catches up to the blockade runner, Vader lets his squad handle the boarding action. He must be feeling a little pouty but I think he's having fun again by the time he's murdering Captain Antilles. I mean, he hardly let's the dude answer his questions. He's just so caught up in doing villain stuff.

Sadly, most of the rest of ANH is "back to the office" type drudgery for Big V: miserable staff meetings and hovering around awkwardly. He gets to torture Leia and kill Obi-Wan though so pretty good. But that same sense of "oh boy fun time" glee is present in his hustle to the fighter bay to go out in space and shoot some scum in a barrel. Of course, if you really want to see Vader having fun - probably the most fun of his whole life - that's where ESB comes in.


Brilliant post


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Post by: Tannhauser42


I'm reminded of a scene in one of the old books, can't remember which one, and they're not canon anymore anyway. Vader was in his chamber, and worked himself into a rage where he could strengthen himself with the Force to the point he could breathe on his own. It made him feel alive, but it didn't last. But he told himself that the next time would last a little longer, and a little longer the next,


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/19 17:25:34


Post by: ZergSmasher


 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I'm reminded of a scene in one of the old books, can't remember which one, and they're not canon anymore anyway. Vader was in his chamber, and worked himself into a rage where he could strengthen himself with the Force to the point he could breathe on his own. It made him feel alive, but it didn't last. But he told himself that the next time would last a little longer, and a little longer the next,

I think that was in Shadows of the Empire. Great book, and the thing with Vader breathing for a few seconds without needing the suit was awesome!


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/04/19 18:16:23


Post by: Manchu


Wasn't that whole chamber thing also brought up in the ESB novelization? I think the idea was, he was practicing breathing with having the chamber open (which is why Veers gets a peek of his bare head).


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/11 17:47:19


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Seems to be getting decent early comments.

Common thread is ‘shaky start, but ends really well’


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/11 17:51:49


Post by: Tannhauser42


Oddly enough, I'm just not really excited about the idea of a " young Han Solo" film. A "young Lando" film sounds cool, though. And the trailers suggest it's a heist film, so a heist film that's set in Star Wars and just happens to have a young Solo could still be good.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/11 18:01:32


Post by: Manchu


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seems to be getting decent early comments.
TLJ came into theaters with around 97% fresh rating. I have no doubt Disney will ensure similar results here.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/11 18:03:34


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Or people enjoyed the film.

But whatever.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/11 18:04:31


Post by: Yodhrin


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seems to be getting decent early comments.

Common thread is ‘shaky start, but ends really well’


Also there's apparently some huge secret thing in there that will blow everyone's mind. Wasn't there a rumour going about a while back that they made Lando bi? I can see some folk who hadn't heard that getting a bit over-excited by it if it turned out to be the case.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/11 18:08:29


Post by: Manchu


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Or people enjoyed the film.
There is also a metric measuring that ... but, as you say, whatever ...
 Yodhrin wrote:
I can see some folk who hadn't heard that getting a bit over-excited by it if it turned out to be the case.
I can't imagine the plot or themes turn on such a reveal. Praising the overall film for something tangential seems unlikely (for worthwhile reviews, anyway).


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/11 18:12:23


Post by: gorgon


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Or people enjoyed the film.

But whatever.


Honestly, if the consensus is only good-not-great, that's a giant win for Disney considering how troubled the production was.

It's not very often that you fire directors a couple weeks away from completing principal photography, then hire a new director to reshoot most of the film using the same script.


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Post by: Manchu


 gorgon wrote:
good-not-great
That seems to be the target, for both Marvel and LucasFilm. Marvel consistently hits it.


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Post by: BobtheInquisitor


At least it will develop the franchise...


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Post by: reds8n



where Lando serves up his erstwhile friends to Vader in one of Cloud City's formal dining rooms. Vader clearly set that up and even had a dry joke prepared: "We would be honored if you would join us."


What I like best about that scene is that Lando states that Vader and Co. arrived right before Han and Co., yet Vader still insisted or found time to ensure the table was fully laid out for dinner.

Touch of class that.



Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/11 21:30:32


Post by: Kilkrazy


I think the basic fact is that Star Wars isn't one of the foundational pillars of western literary civilisation like Aeschylus, Shakespeare or Moliere, it's just a fun SF series.

Don't take it too seriously!


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/11 22:26:31


Post by: Yodhrin


 Kilkrazy wrote:
I think the basic fact is that Star Wars isn't one of the foundational pillars of western literary civilisation like Aeschylus, Shakespeare or Moliere, it's just a fun SF series.

Don't take it too seriously!


And yet a huge majority of people will never had read any of those things, but will have seen Star Wars. Not being ponderous "literature" doesn't mean something is complete fluff undeserving of emotion or analysis.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/11 22:36:51


Post by: Thargrim


Well I kind of feel relieved that it's more or less a guarantee I will at least like this one more than TLJ. Cause i'm not sure things can get much worse than that movie. I trust RH more than RJ anyways. I'll probably wait until the initial hype dies off and I can see it in a half empty theater, as opposed to being crammed in with a full load of people.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 00:15:19


Post by: Vulcan


 Yodhrin wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seems to be getting decent early comments.

Common thread is ‘shaky start, but ends really well’


Also there's apparently some huge secret thing in there that will blow everyone's mind. Wasn't there a rumour going about a while back that they made Lando bi? I can see some folk who hadn't heard that getting a bit over-excited by it if it turned out to be the case.


In the previews, where Lando says "Everything you've heard about me... is true.", in the background his robot says "Are you done flirting yet?" Anyone with common sense would assume the robot was messing with Lando. Certain... elements.... took it literally and assumed that Lando was, indeed, flirting with Han, and there'd be a gay romance in the movie.

Given the heavy-handed political messaging in TLJ, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if they actually did it.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 00:22:36


Post by: Mr Morden


 Manchu wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seems to be getting decent early comments.
TLJ came into theaters with around 97% fresh rating. I have no doubt Disney will ensure similar results here.


Money and power talks....no other explanation for those reviews


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 00:34:21


Post by: Lance845


Or people liked it. Everyone i actually know is i. That camp. Its honestly only this forum where i have seen the negativity.

Calling it worse than phantom menace or attack of the clones is insanity.


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Post by: Formosa


 Lance845 wrote:
Or people liked it. Everyone i actually know is i. That camp. Its honestly only this forum where i have seen the negativity.

Calling it worse than phantom menace or attack of the clones is insanity.



I find that very very hard to believe, , how could you not have seen any of the articles, you tube videos, reviews, fan reviews etc. That didn’t like it??


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Post by: Lance845


 Formosa wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
Or people liked it. Everyone i actually know is i. That camp. Its honestly only this forum where i have seen the negativity.

Calling it worse than phantom menace or attack of the clones is insanity.



I find that very very hard to believe, , how could you not have seen any of the articles, you tube videos, reviews, fan reviews etc. That didn’t like it??


I listen to the weekly planet podcast, ive been watching this recently, and i talk to my friends. My moviepass tells me rotten tomatoes ratings. Why would i care what the crazy sw fanatics think about the movies that will never be what they want it to be? Youtube isnt going to have videos posted by people with mild middling or even reasonable opinions. Its going to extremists who are raving positive or negative which is all nonsense.


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Post by: Mr Morden


 Lance845 wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
Or people liked it. Everyone i actually know is i. That camp. Its honestly only this forum where i have seen the negativity.

Calling it worse than phantom menace or attack of the clones is insanity.



I find that very very hard to believe, , how could you not have seen any of the articles, you tube videos, reviews, fan reviews etc. That didn’t like it??


I listen to the weekly planet podcast, ive been watching this recently, and i talk to my friends. My moviepass tells me rotten tomatoes ratings. Why would i care what the crazy sw fanatics think about the movies that will never be what they want it to be? Youtube isnt going to have videos posted by people with mild middling or even reasonable opinions. Its going to extremists who are raving positive or negative which is all nonsense.


Not a fanatic nor where all the people I went to see it with - we all thought it was turgid, awful rubbish - and def the worst film I have seen for years,

Many of us liked TFA - this pile of crap was a waste of time and money. It was a on a par with Phantom menace in terms of awfulness - when you look at elements like the pathetic plot, pointless boring extended Chase after the Ship of Fools, the trip to casino World and pretty much every character (or lack of them) it has put me off bothering to watch SW films at the cinema

I will likely watch Solo on Sky as the trailer seems ok, they might even heve bothered to use something other than crayon to write the plot this time and not just rely on buying off the critics.


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Post by: Elemental


 Lance845 wrote:
Or people liked it. Everyone i actually know is i. That camp. Its honestly only this forum where i have seen the negativity.

Calling it worse than phantom menace or attack of the clones is insanity.


In my circle of "me and people I talked to about the movie", the consensus was generally "not great, but good".

But people who find something extremely okay or unbelievably decent tend not to be vocal, and then discussion passes over to those with an axe to grind, who reaffirm to each other how right they are.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 15:04:53


Post by: Lance845


See, I was super happy they killed Snoak without an explanation of who he was, and that Rey's parents were nobody.

I felt like SW has been so bogged down in this one families story. It's all blood lines and destiny and blah blah. This movie was a breath of fresh air. A clean break. The first step on a new path that allows them to move forward and tell new stories.

Who is Snoak? Doesn't matter hes dead. Who were Rey's parents? Drunks. Nobodys. Doesn't matter, their dead. The last shot of the film shows a little kid who is also nobody pull the broom into his hand with the force, hold it like a lightsaber and look off into an expanse of stars. The heroes can be anybody. They don't have to come from anywhere. And there is an entire galaxy of places it can go.

If SW ended right there with the boundless potential before it it would be a good ending. If they take this clean break and run with it to give us things that are new than good. Thats what I want.

My circle all felt more or less the same.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 15:16:57


Post by: Mr Morden


 Lance845 wrote:
See, I was super happy they killed Snoak without an explanation of who he was, and that Rey's parents were nobody.

I felt like SW has been so bogged down in this one families story. It's all blood lines and destiny and blah blah. This movie was a breath of fresh air. A clean break. The first step on a new path that allows them to move forward and tell new stories.

Who is Snoak? Doesn't matter hes dead. Who were Rey's parents? Drunks. Nobodys. Doesn't matter, their dead. The last shot of the film shows a little kid who is also nobody pull the broom into his hand with the force, hold it like a lightsaber and look off into an expanse of stars. The heroes can be anybody. They don't have to come from anywhere. And there is an entire galaxy of places it can go.

If SW ended right there with the boundless potential before it it would be a good ending. If they take this clean break and run with it to give us things that are new than good. Thats what I want.

My circle all felt more or less the same.


No real interest in the blood lines aspect either. Snoak seemed vaguely interesting but died before he could be. I quite like Rey - she's fine, the fighter pilot is ok, the rest can burn in a fire - cardboard cut out that they were.

My issue was the fun, plot, characters and pace - or lack of any of these. Star wars for me was always just a fun action film - I had hoped they would carry on with this - but in the prequels and dismal Last Ledi I was disappointed.

On the forthcoming film - looks like it could be a fun crime caper and I notice Emilia Clarke is in which is good (although hopefully better than Terminator)


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 16:38:01


Post by: Orlanth


 djones520 wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why is the ship pointed? What is that nonsense extra bit that they've added to the front. Are they going to try and say that's what YT-1300 are meant to look like and that Han/Chewie modified it to remove that? Because we've seen other freighters like that in the prequels. They didn't have a pointy bit at the front.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'm talking about this:



Finding a zoomed in picture, it's called Kessel Run.

That... has me worried.


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So I found this.



It's an add-on to push barges around?


That makes sense. Enabling volume cargo is good for the profitability of a commercial vessel, yet the attachment is of less use for low volume high profit smuggling. So it makese sense how one could buy the attachment, and fit it, yet later find the cause to remove it.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 17:03:05


Post by: Yodhrin


 Lance845 wrote:
See, I was super happy they killed Snoak without an explanation of who he was, and that Rey's parents were nobody.

I felt like SW has been so bogged down in this one families story. It's all blood lines and destiny and blah blah. This movie was a breath of fresh air. A clean break. The first step on a new path that allows them to move forward and tell new stories.

Who is Snoak? Doesn't matter hes dead. Who were Rey's parents? Drunks. Nobodys. Doesn't matter, their dead. The last shot of the film shows a little kid who is also nobody pull the broom into his hand with the force, hold it like a lightsaber and look off into an expanse of stars. The heroes can be anybody. They don't have to come from anywhere. And there is an entire galaxy of places it can go.

If SW ended right there with the boundless potential before it it would be a good ending. If they take this clean break and run with it to give us things that are new than good. Thats what I want.

My circle all felt more or less the same.


I don't particularly disagree with the idea of moving past the bloodline stuff, having grown up immersed in the EU material the Force was never just the Skywalkers for me and so the TLJ treatment of it was kinda just - yeah, so, and? Always been that way, really. I even quite liked Old Man Luke.

The main issue is expectations. TLJ wasn't just a "saga" movie with all that entails, touted as a direct continuation of the OT, it followed directly on from TFA which was if anything too safe and nostalgic - nobody who came out of TFA, based on what they saw, would expect TLJ to be what it was, and no matter how much snobby spank critics insist otherwise being "surprised"(ie, getting very nearly completely the opposite of what you paid for based on entirely fair expectations) by a film is not a good thing. The vast majority of people walked into TLJ expecting to see a Star Wars movie in the traditional mold, and if that's also what they wanted to see and paid for then them reacting badly to that is not "negativity" or "entitlement" or even "latent misogyny", it's a perfectly reasonable position. The secondary issue was that quite a lot of TLJ is just really, really dumb while also very obviously considering itself to be extremely smart - and before you jump on that, plenty of stuff in several of the Star Wars films has also been pretty dumb, but they weren't pitching the intellectual deconstructionist "thinking being's Star Wars" angle, they were just sci-fantasy movies, and if you ask people to think about something and then insult their intelligence, then subsequently try and deflect any of the resulting criticism as motivated by bigotry using guilt by association(and this is a general remark about discussions surrounding the film, not an accusation against you specifically), reacting with indignation to their annoyance doesn't really work.

Disney sold people on a Sequel Trilogy - all the things you know and love, but with a fresh twist, and establishing a new era for them to move forward with afterwards. The key part being afterwards. Not halfway through, in the direct wake of a nostalgiafest, and in a deliberately provocative way. The vast majority of the backlash was a rod Lucasfilm made for their own back.


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Post by: Lance845


Look, not everyone who hates tlj and fa are mysogynists. But you cannot claim that a bunch of them were not out there making derogatory comments and bashing on rey for having tits.

You are not a woman hater for disliking the movies. But criticising the people who hate the movies because they ARE woman haters is fair. If its not you who is woman hating then they are not talking about you when they are laying into them.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 18:08:04


Post by: Mr Morden


 Yodhrin wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
See, I was super happy they killed Snoak without an explanation of who he was, and that Rey's parents were nobody.

I felt like SW has been so bogged down in this one families story. It's all blood lines and destiny and blah blah. This movie was a breath of fresh air. A clean break. The first step on a new path that allows them to move forward and tell new stories.

Who is Snoak? Doesn't matter hes dead. Who were Rey's parents? Drunks. Nobodys. Doesn't matter, their dead. The last shot of the film shows a little kid who is also nobody pull the broom into his hand with the force, hold it like a lightsaber and look off into an expanse of stars. The heroes can be anybody. They don't have to come from anywhere. And there is an entire galaxy of places it can go.

If SW ended right there with the boundless potential before it it would be a good ending. If they take this clean break and run with it to give us things that are new than good. Thats what I want.

My circle all felt more or less the same.


I don't particularly disagree with the idea of moving past the bloodline stuff, having grown up immersed in the EU material the Force was never just the Skywalkers for me and so the TLJ treatment of it was kinda just - yeah, so, and? Always been that way, really. I even quite liked Old Man Luke.

The main issue is expectations. TLJ wasn't just a "saga" movie with all that entails, touted as a direct continuation of the OT, it followed directly on from TFA which was if anything too safe and nostalgic - nobody who came out of TFA, based on what they saw, would expect TLJ to be what it was, and no matter how much snobby spank critics insist otherwise being "surprised"(ie, getting very nearly completely the opposite of what you paid for based on entirely fair expectations) by a film is not a good thing. The vast majority of people walked into TLJ expecting to see a Star Wars movie in the traditional mold, and if that's also what they wanted to see and paid for then them reacting badly to that is not "negativity" or "entitlement" or even "latent misogyny", it's a perfectly reasonable position. The secondary issue was that quite a lot of TLJ is just really, really dumb while also very obviously considering itself to be extremely smart - and before you jump on that, plenty of stuff in several of the Star Wars films has also been pretty dumb, but they weren't pitching the intellectual deconstructionist "thinking being's Star Wars" angle, they were just sci-fantasy movies, and if you ask people to think about something and then insult their intelligence, then subsequently try and deflect any of the resulting criticism as motivated by bigotry using guilt by association(and this is a general remark about discussions surrounding the film, not an accusation against you specifically), reacting with indignation to their annoyance doesn't really work.

Disney sold people on a Sequel Trilogy - all the things you know and love, but with a fresh twist, and establishing a new era for them to move forward with afterwards. The key part being afterwards. Not halfway through, in the direct wake of a nostalgiafest, and in a deliberately provocative way. The vast majority of the backlash was a rod Lucasfilm made for their own back.


Excellent post


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 22:33:42


Post by: Vulcan


 Lance845 wrote:
See, I was super happy they killed Snoak without an explanation of who he was, and that Rey's parents were nobody.

I felt like SW has been so bogged down in this one families story. It's all blood lines and destiny and blah blah. This movie was a breath of fresh air. A clean break. The first step on a new path that allows them to move forward and tell new stories.

Who is Snoak? Doesn't matter hes dead. Who were Rey's parents? Drunks. Nobodys. Doesn't matter, their dead. The last shot of the film shows a little kid who is also nobody pull the broom into his hand with the force, hold it like a lightsaber and look off into an expanse of stars. The heroes can be anybody. They don't have to come from anywhere. And there is an entire galaxy of places it can go.

If SW ended right there with the boundless potential before it it would be a good ending. If they take this clean break and run with it to give us things that are new than good. Thats what I want.

My circle all felt more or less the same.


How did they feel about Leia slapping Poe for doing exactly what she rewarded Luke for several decades earlier?


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 Lance845 wrote:
Look, not everyone who hates tlj and fa are mysogynists. But you cannot claim that a bunch of them were not out there making derogatory comments and bashing on rey for having tits.

You are not a woman hater for disliking the movies. But criticising the people who hate the movies because they ARE woman haters is fair. If its not you who is woman hating then they are not talking about you when they are laying into them.


I guess that explains why Wonder Woman tanked as well... oh, wait, it DIDN'T. That pretty well puts a stake in the heart of your argument.

And don't go claiming people hated TLJ it heavily featured a black character either, because Black Panther has done quite well and disproves THAT argument as well.


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Post by: Spinner


It's pretty hard to say that misogynists didn't toss themselves gleefully into the Last Jedi hate when there's literally a 'fan' cut of the movie that demotes/removes all the parts not played by a dude.


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Post by: Lance845


 Vulcan wrote:


How did they feel about Leia slapping Poe for doing exactly what she rewarded Luke for several decades earlier?


I know it's seemingly hard to believe, but everyone was just fine with the whole movie. Fine to really happy. As said before, SW has always been dumb. It's always had dumb jokes. It's always had weird crap that doesn't make sense. It's always been fantasy. It's always been made "for all ages" (despite having a lot of dismemberment in it).

Big fans of starwars had this story in their head of what more starwars could be. They have been reading books, playing games, and everything else for years. Nothing they released would ever match up to what everyone thought it could be. On top of that the kids who enjoyed all the dumb stuff before have grown up. Despite how dumb the ewoks are, or Leia's barely a character in 3 movies, or luke's miraculous mastery of skills as he needs them, all of that is given a pass under nostalgia.

I mean you COULD just reasonably say that Leia has GROWN UP in 30 years and learned some lessons and is now trying to stop these hot shot lil gaks from firing off half cocked instead of listening to the older "wiser" generation. You COULD also just say these characters are people and people make mistakes. But no. When it comes to the people who dislike these movies it's always why arn't these people perfectly acting exactly the same as they did 30 years ago or exactly the way YOU think they should based on your own head cannon and/or 30 years of expanded material.

You don't have to like it. And thats fine. If the new starwars movies are not to your liking then they are apparently not for you and you should stop going to see them and giving them your money. The DC comic movies are not for me. I like Batman, but I am tired of watching Batman use guns and kill people. I move along. You should too. But enough people really liked it that it made a metric gak ton of money and the director was given a whole trilogy. You are just going to have to find something else to watch.


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Post by: Vulcan


 Spinner wrote:
It's pretty hard to say that misogynists didn't toss themselves gleefully into the Last Jedi hate when there's literally a 'fan' cut of the movie that demotes/removes all the parts not played by a dude.


I'll grant you that. There are misogynists who are quite public about hating female characters in TLJ.

It doesn't make the female characters in TLJ any stronger, not even tearing down the male characters can make weak characters strong. In other words, if you don't like misogyny, misandry is not the solution.

Now Leia in the first trilogy, THERE was a strong female character. Gunning down stormtroopers... with the blaster equivalent of a .22 pistol. Rescuing her rescuers when their rescue goes wrong. Undergoing torture and witnessing the destruction of her home and everything she knows without flinching from her purpose. Even surviving being stripped naked and being chained to Jabba in that ridiculous outfit doesn't slow her down, she just strangles Jabba with the very chain he used to enslave her.

In comparison, Rey has spent the past two movies puppy-dogging around behind men (first Finn, then Han, then Luke, and finally Kylo Ren) asking 'what is my place in all this?' She doesn't learn how to use the force like Anakin, Asoka Tano, Luke, and Kylo Ren do, she downloads it as Neo does in the Matrix because WOMAN! Holdo comes up with a stupid plan that gets 90% of the Resistance killed and that better than Poe because WOMAN!

Compare that with the female characters in, oh, Black Panther. All strong in their own right. T'Challa may be the hero, but without the ladies he doesn't win. And they accomplish what they do on their own merits, not by tearing T'Challa down. Not by following him around asking 'what's my place in all this?'


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Post by: Lance845


 Vulcan wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Look, not everyone who hates tlj and fa are mysogynists. But you cannot claim that a bunch of them were not out there making derogatory comments and bashing on rey for having tits.

You are not a woman hater for disliking the movies. But criticising the people who hate the movies because they ARE woman haters is fair. If its not you who is woman hating then they are not talking about you when they are laying into them.


I guess that explains why Wonder Woman tanked as well... oh, wait, it DIDN'T. That pretty well puts a stake in the heart of your argument.

And don't go claiming people hated TLJ it heavily featured a black character either, because Black Panther has done quite well and disproves THAT argument as well.


What?

I actually have no idea what you are trying to say here? WW and Blackpanther did good because they are good movies. Just like TLJ did good because it's a good movie. There are people who hated on all 3 of those films because they are bigots, but that doesn't matter. There are also people who didn't like those movies because they just didn't like them. And that parts fine. You don't have to like everything... or anything!

But calling out the bigots for being bigots isn't wrong. Again, if you didn't like the movies for non-bigot reasons then good on you. Have your opinion. If you DID hate on those movies for bigot reasons, then feth you. I am glad the movies made millions of dollars and I hope they make more over and over again just to spite you.


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 Vulcan wrote:

Now Leia in the first trilogy, THERE was a strong female character.


WHAT!?

Carrie Fischer herself has always been upset about how little of a character Leia even was. She barely existed as a person in all 3 movies besides to get captured twice and be put in a metal bikini.

She wasn't a strong ANYTHING.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 23:04:38


Post by: Vulcan


 Lance845 wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:


How did they feel about Leia slapping Poe for doing exactly what she rewarded Luke for several decades earlier?


I know it's seemingly hard to believe, but everyone was just fine with the whole movie. Fine to really happy. As said before, SW has always been dumb. It's always had dumb jokes. It's always had weird crap that doesn't make sense. It's always been fantasy. It's always been made "for all ages" (despite having a lot of dismemberment in it).

Big fans of starwars had this story in their head of what more starwars could be. They have been reading books, playing games, and everything else for years. Nothing they released would ever match up to what everyone thought it could be. On top of that the kids who enjoyed all the dumb stuff before have grown up. Despite how dumb the ewoks are, or Leia's barely a character in 3 movies, or luke's miraculous mastery of skills as he needs them, all of that is given a pass under nostalgia.

I mean you COULD just reasonably say that Leia has GROWN UP in 30 years and learned some lessons and is now trying to stop these hot shot lil gaks from firing off half cocked instead of listening to the older "wiser" generation. You COULD also just say these characters are people and people make mistakes. But no. When it comes to the people who dislike these movies it's always why arn't these people perfectly acting exactly the same as they did 30 years ago or exactly the way YOU think they should based on your own head cannon and/or 30 years of expanded material.

You don't have to like it. And thats fine. If the new starwars movies are not to your liking then they are apparently not for you and you should stop going to see them and giving them your money. The DC comic movies are not for me. I like Batman, but I am tired of watching Batman use guns and kill people. I move along. You should too. But enough people really liked it that it made a metric gak ton of money and the director was given a whole trilogy. You are just going to have to find something else to watch.


It made $200 million LESS than they projected it to. And you note it's already out of theaters, after the shortest theatrical run of any SW movie to date.

What could Leia have learned over 30 years, that makes SAVING THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION worthy of a slap in the face? They said flat-out in the movie that the Dreadnaught was a fleet-killer. Had it gotten in range, the fleet DIES. Poe stopped it. Granted, at terrible cost. We don't know how many escort fighters were lost, but the losses among the bombers were total. But then, out of the twenty-odd fighters that launched to fight at Yavin, THREE come back.

If Poe was wrong, then so was Luke. They shouldn't have launched at Yavin, for fear of suffering terrible losses while fighting to save the Rebellion.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Misandry is not the solution to misogyny.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 23:12:41


Post by: Lance845


This isn't a question of misandry to misogyny.

Once again, characters have flaws, make mistakes, learn, and grow. Poe WAS a hot shot idiot who fethed up all the plans the higher ups were making. He also got a lot of their very limited resources in pilots, ships and armaments destroyed to take out a single enemy ship (granted a big one. But a big one they can build again while reaquiring what Poe sacrificed is much harder).

This bit has actually apparently been explained in the books a bit. Mon Mothma demilitarized the whole new republic so they didn't end up being just like the Empire and it bit them in the ass when the first order showed up. The reason the resistance is so strapped is because there was literally nothing around for them to use.

What Poe did that was very different from what Luke did was sacrifice a far larger % of their available resources for show boating.


BTW, Luke spent 2 movies following around people like a puppy dog. First it was Ben, then it was Yoda, Then it was Leia.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 23:16:20


Post by: Vulcan


 Lance845 wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Look, not everyone who hates tlj and fa are mysogynists. But you cannot claim that a bunch of them were not out there making derogatory comments and bashing on rey for having tits.

You are not a woman hater for disliking the movies. But criticising the people who hate the movies because they ARE woman haters is fair. If its not you who is woman hating then they are not talking about you when they are laying into them.


I guess that explains why Wonder Woman tanked as well... oh, wait, it DIDN'T. That pretty well puts a stake in the heart of your argument.

And don't go claiming people hated TLJ it heavily featured a black character either, because Black Panther has done quite well and disproves THAT argument as well.


What?

I actually have no idea what you are trying to say here? WW and Blackpanther did good because they are good movies. Just like TLJ did good because it's a good movie. There are people who hated on all 3 of those films because they are bigots, but that doesn't matter. There are also people who didn't like those movies because they just didn't like them. And that parts fine. You don't have to like everything... or anything!

But calling out the bigots for being bigots isn't wrong. Again, if you didn't like the movies for non-bigot reasons then good on you. Have your opinion. If you DID hate on those movies for bigot reasons, then feth you. I am glad the movies made millions of dollars and I hope they make more over and over again just to spite you.


The problem is, the same people who tend to watch Star Wars ALSO tend to watch superhero movies. And yet, SOMEHOW, the same racist sexist bigots who hacked Rotten Tomatoes and trashed the rating for TLJ... left both Wonder Woman and Black Panther alone?

How gullible do you think I am?

Yes, we need to call out bigotry whenever we find it. That includes misandry, and I'm calling it out.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Vulcan wrote:

Now Leia in the first trilogy, THERE was a strong female character.


WHAT!?

Carrie Fischer herself has always been upset about how little of a character Leia even was. She barely existed as a person in all 3 movies besides to get captured twice and be put in a metal bikini.

She wasn't a strong ANYTHING.


What's your definition of a strong female character, then? Just tearing down male characters around doesn't make a female character strong. Indeed, needing to tear people around you down to feel strong is a sign of WEAKNESS.

Leia existed on her own terms. She didn't need ANYONE to tell her what her place was like Rey does. She KNEW what her place was - in control. An Imperial Senator by age 19. A major figure in the Rebel Alliance. Leading when she was called upon to lead, following when called upon to follow... and shooting two Stormtroopers off Han's back WHILE WOUNDED. I'd like to see YOU pull that off.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 23:21:20


Post by: Matt.Kingsley


Because Poe didn't just save the fleet - he immediately put it back into the danger he saved it from. They make a point about the fleet being ready to jump into Hyperspace after Poe being more than a bit of a distraction with he speech and theatrics.

Now of course, in hindsight we know they were going to be tracked through hyperspace so they would have had to destroy the Dreadnought eventually, but everyone in the Resistance (and us, the audience) didn't know that beforehand, so forcing the fleet to stay within range of the Dreadnought to allow the fighters and bombers to try and destroy it (a mission they almost failed and that very nearly did get the fleet kablamo'd) is a pretty massive error of judgement.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 23:21:45


Post by: Lance845


So Luke is a weak male character then?

Luke needed Han, Ben, Yoda, and Leia to tell him HIS place.

Luke had a story ark over 3 movies in which he grew and came into his own. Rey has had a story ark over 2 movies, and you can see how much she has grown already. Luke never had the balls to tell Ben or yoda off. Rey did though with Luke.

A strong character, female or male, is one that, like an onion, has layers. They have fears, motivations, goals, and exist within the story for more than being a goal for another character. Leia existed only to be the piece of ass Luke/Solo was after for 3 movies. She didn't have a human reaction to her planet getting blown up. She existed solely to further the plots of the other characters that had actual story arks and grew over the course of 3 movies. Leia on the other hand never once seemed to grow or change as a person. Because her character didn't have the depth to have any growth.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 23:22:47


Post by: Vulcan


 Lance845 wrote:
This isn't a question of misandry to misogyny.

Once again, characters have flaws, make mistakes, learn, and grow. Poe WAS a hot shot idiot who fethed up all the plans the higher ups were making. He also got a lot of their very limited resources in pilots, ships and armaments destroyed to take out a single enemy ship (granted a big one. But a big one they can build again while reaquiring what Poe sacrificed is much harder).

This bit has actually apparently been explained in the books a bit. Mon Mothma demilitarized the whole new republic so they didn't end up being just like the Empire and it bit them in the ass when the first order showed up. The reason the resistance is so strapped is because there was literally nothing around for them to use.

What Poe did that was very different from what Luke did was sacrifice a far larger % of their available resources for show boating.


BTW, Luke spent 2 movies following around people like a puppy dog. First it was Ben, then it was Yoda, Then it was Leia.


If you need books to explain what happened in a movie, you did a bad job with the movie.

How did Poe screw up? He SAVED THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION. That bears repeating. HE SAVED THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION. Had the Dreadnaught been able to close without interference the Resistance doesn't make it out of orbit. Period.

How is SAVING THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION screwing up? Especially since Holdo's later plan is 'sacrifice the even HARDER to replace Resistance Fleet to evacuate the personnel on unarmed transports'...

Ah, I see the problem. There's a wee bit of difference between showboating, and SAVING THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION. Showboating would have been destroying one of the many Resurgent class Star Destroyers, leaving the rest intact, just because they could. Killing the Dreadnaught - which is designed to be a FLEET KILLLER - is a completely different issue.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 23:26:49


Post by: Lance845


Vulcan wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
This isn't a question of misandry to misogyny.

Once again, characters have flaws, make mistakes, learn, and grow. Poe WAS a hot shot idiot who fethed up all the plans the higher ups were making. He also got a lot of their very limited resources in pilots, ships and armaments destroyed to take out a single enemy ship (granted a big one. But a big one they can build again while reaquiring what Poe sacrificed is much harder).

This bit has actually apparently been explained in the books a bit. Mon Mothma demilitarized the whole new republic so they didn't end up being just like the Empire and it bit them in the ass when the first order showed up. The reason the resistance is so strapped is because there was literally nothing around for them to use.

What Poe did that was very different from what Luke did was sacrifice a far larger % of their available resources for show boating.


BTW, Luke spent 2 movies following around people like a puppy dog. First it was Ben, then it was Yoda, Then it was Leia.


If you need books to explain what happened in a movie, you did a bad job with the movie.

How did Poe screw up? He SAVED THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION. That bears repeating. HE SAVED THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION. Had the Dreadnaught been able to close without interference the Resistance doesn't make it out of orbit. Period.

How is SAVING THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION screwing up? Especially since Holdo's later plan is 'sacrifice the even HARDER to replace Resistance Fleet to evacuate the personnel on unarmed transports'...

Ah, I see the problem. There's a wee bit of difference between showboating, and SAVING THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION. Showboating would have been destroying one of the many Resurgent class Star Destroyers, leaving the rest intact, just because they could. Killing the Dreadnaught - which is designed to be a FLEET KILLLER - is a completely different issue.


This bit you seem to have ignored.

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Because Poe didn't just save the fleet - he immediately put it back into the danger he saved it from. They make a point about the fleet being ready to jump into Hyperspace after Poe being more than a bit of a distraction with he speech and theatrics.

Now of course, in hindsight we know they were going to be tracked through hyperspace so they would have had to destroy the Dreadnought eventually, but everyone in the Resistance (and us, the audience) didn't know that beforehand, so forcing the fleet to stay within range of the Dreadnought to allow the fighters and bombers to try and destroy it (a mission they almost failed and that very nearly did get the fleet kablamo'd) is a pretty massive error of judgement.


And I don't need to know WHY the resistance is in a bad way when TLJ started. I can see it. They showed it well. Every person in that movie in the resistance talked about how badly they were doing and how little they had and made a big deal out of how much Poe got destroyed just to kill 1 ship.

The book expanded on it and explained WHY the resistance is so under funded and maned. But it's not needed to understand the movie.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 23:32:41


Post by: Vulcan


 Lance845 wrote:
So Luke is a weak male character then?


In TLJ? Absolutely

Luke needed Han, Ben, Yoda, and Leia to tell him HIS place.


Tell me where he asked anyone, much less multiple different characters, to tell him his place. Movie name and timestamp will do.

A strong character, female or male, is one that, like an onion, has layers. They have fears, motivations, goals, and exist within the story for more than being a goal for another character. Leia existed only to be the piece of ass Luke/Solo was after for 3 movies. She didn't have a human reaction to her planet getting blown up. She existed solely to further the plots of the other characters that had actual story arks and grew over the course of 3 movies. Leia on the other hand never once seemed to grow or change as a person. Because her character didn't have the depth to have any growth.


Tell me what growth Rey has experienced. Tell me what struggles she has overcome. There aren't any. At any challenge she 'downloads' a new Force capability and is 'great'. No explanation at all. And even at the end of TLJ, she STILL doesn't seem to have any idea what's going on. One can argue HER whole role for two movies has been as the love interest for Finn and Poe to chase after. She certainly hasn't grown or changed a bit.

I'll grant you Leia could have been handled better. But it was 1977-1983. Not 2015-2018. Two whole generations of difference there. For her time, Leia is a BREATHTAKINGLY strong female character. And for 2018 Rey is a breathtakingly WEAK female character.

Not as bad as Holdo or Rose Tico, though. They both plumb the depths of weak female characters I haven't seen in a major release for two decades now. Even slasher flicks don't write female character that weak anymore.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 23:39:25


Post by: Lance845


 Vulcan wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
So Luke is a weak male character then?


In TLJ? Absolutely

Luke needed Han, Ben, Yoda, and Leia to tell him HIS place.


Tell me where he asked anyone, much less multiple different characters, to tell him his place. Movie name and timestamp will do.


Luke didn't even have the where-with-all to ask. Luke got TOLD where to go and what to do. You can't go to Tashi Station. You can check on Ol Ben. You Need to come with me to Mos Isly. You need to join the rebles. Don't use the targetting computer. Go to Endor.

A strong character, female or male, is one that, like an onion, has layers. They have fears, motivations, goals, and exist within the story for more than being a goal for another character. Leia existed only to be the piece of ass Luke/Solo was after for 3 movies. She didn't have a human reaction to her planet getting blown up. She existed solely to further the plots of the other characters that had actual story arks and grew over the course of 3 movies. Leia on the other hand never once seemed to grow or change as a person. Because her character didn't have the depth to have any growth.


Tell me what growth Rey has experienced. Tell me what struggles she has overcome. There aren't any. At any challenge she 'downloads' a new Force capability and is 'great'. No explanation at all. And even at the end of TLJ, she STILL doesn't seem to have any idea what's going on. One can argue HER whole role for two movies has been as the love interest for Finn and Poe to chase after. She certainly hasn't grown or changed a bit.

I'll grant you Leia could have been handled better. But it was 1977-1983. Not 2015-2018. Two whole generations of difference there. For her time, Leia is a BREATHTAKINGLY strong female character. And for 2018 Rey is a breathtakingly WEAK female character.

Not as bad as Holdo or Rose Tico, though. They both plumb the depths of weak female characters I haven't seen in a major release for two decades now. Even slasher flicks don't write female character that weak anymore.


Ry sought answers about her parents. Rey decided to defy luke and stand up for what her interpretation of her visions meant. Rey tried to Save Kylo despite Lukes warnings. Rey went to find Luke because she wanted to not because anyone asked her to. Rey more or less forced luke to start training her because she wanted training. Rey came back and saved what little resistance was left on her own accord. Rey started off living on her own and making her own living instead of being a little gak on his uncles farm.

Considering that Rey has had no romantic relationship with Poe OR Finn you would be hard pressed to make that argument. Especially since Leias character kissed Luke and Han at least once in all 3 movies and Rey has kissed exactly nobody.


Yeah, Rose is weak. Having a backstory explaining how her and her sister come from a place that Finn has never seen in his life about how the fancy and well to do crush the down trodden and make slaves of people. Having her sister die. Having her stop attempted people fleeing the resistance because she won't let them run when her sister didn't, having her have skills as a mechanic and stepping up to be a pilot because Poe made sure they were running out of those. All those layers that make her an actual person is the very definition of a weak character.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 23:41:51


Post by: Vulcan


 Lance845 wrote:
Vulcan wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
This isn't a question of misandry to misogyny.

Once again, characters have flaws, make mistakes, learn, and grow. Poe WAS a hot shot idiot who fethed up all the plans the higher ups were making. He also got a lot of their very limited resources in pilots, ships and armaments destroyed to take out a single enemy ship (granted a big one. But a big one they can build again while reaquiring what Poe sacrificed is much harder).

This bit has actually apparently been explained in the books a bit. Mon Mothma demilitarized the whole new republic so they didn't end up being just like the Empire and it bit them in the ass when the first order showed up. The reason the resistance is so strapped is because there was literally nothing around for them to use.

What Poe did that was very different from what Luke did was sacrifice a far larger % of their available resources for show boating.


BTW, Luke spent 2 movies following around people like a puppy dog. First it was Ben, then it was Yoda, Then it was Leia.


If you need books to explain what happened in a movie, you did a bad job with the movie.

How did Poe screw up? He SAVED THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION. That bears repeating. HE SAVED THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION. Had the Dreadnaught been able to close without interference the Resistance doesn't make it out of orbit. Period.

How is SAVING THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION screwing up? Especially since Holdo's later plan is 'sacrifice the even HARDER to replace Resistance Fleet to evacuate the personnel on unarmed transports'...

Ah, I see the problem. There's a wee bit of difference between showboating, and SAVING THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION. Showboating would have been destroying one of the many Resurgent class Star Destroyers, leaving the rest intact, just because they could. Killing the Dreadnaught - which is designed to be a FLEET KILLLER - is a completely different issue.


This bit you seem to have ignored.

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Because Poe didn't just save the fleet - he immediately put it back into the danger he saved it from. They make a point about the fleet being ready to jump into Hyperspace after Poe being more than a bit of a distraction with he speech and theatrics.

Now of course, in hindsight we know they were going to be tracked through hyperspace so they would have had to destroy the Dreadnought eventually, but everyone in the Resistance (and us, the audience) didn't know that beforehand, so forcing the fleet to stay within range of the Dreadnought to allow the fighters and bombers to try and destroy it (a mission they almost failed and that very nearly did get the fleet kablamo'd) is a pretty massive error of judgement.


And I don't need to know WHY the resistance is in a bad way when TLJ started. I can see it. They showed it well. Every person in that movie in the resistance talked about how badly they were doing and how little they had and made a big deal out of how much Poe got destroyed just to kill 1 ship.

The book expanded on it and explained WHY the resistance is so under funded and maned. But it's not needed to understand the movie.


Actually, I think it is, because:

a) Why use such STUPIDLY slow and vulnerable bombers, when 30-year-old B-Wings would have been faster, more maneuverable, and more durable? Or use even older Y-Wings, six of which took down an ISD in Rogue One.

b) Why ships that can hyperspace clear out of the galaxy's gravity well (see the end of ESB) are so short on fuel they can't make more than two short jumps?

Really, the only answer to b) that makes sense is that there's a saboteur in the fleet, and her name is Holdo. Which would also explain her plan to destroy the Resistance fleet and leave the Resistance personnel on unarmed transports easily captured. It would also explain her not sharing said plan with anyone. And lastly, would have given her one heck of a redemption story arc when the New Order betrayed her and started shooting the transports instead of capturing them, leading to her one moment of Awesome she did absolutely nothing to earn in the movie we actually saw.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 23:44:07


Post by: Lance845


The fact that their COULD have been a sabatuer in the fleet is exactly why they didn't tell Poe gak. In responce Poe put them all in even more danger. POE was the idiot making mistakes. Holdo was doing her damn job with idiots making a bigger mess around her.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 23:55:51


Post by: Vulcan


 Lance845 wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
So Luke is a weak male character then?


In TLJ? Absolutely

Luke needed Han, Ben, Yoda, and Leia to tell him HIS place.


Tell me where he asked anyone, much less multiple different characters, to tell him his place. Movie name and timestamp will do.


Luke didn't even have the where-with-all to ask. Luke got TOLD where to go and what to do. You can't go to Tashi Station. You can check on Ol Ben. You Need to come with me to Mos Isly. You need to join the rebles. Don't use the targetting computer. Go to Endor.

A strong character, female or male, is one that, like an onion, has layers. They have fears, motivations, goals, and exist within the story for more than being a goal for another character. Leia existed only to be the piece of ass Luke/Solo was after for 3 movies. She didn't have a human reaction to her planet getting blown up. She existed solely to further the plots of the other characters that had actual story arks and grew over the course of 3 movies. Leia on the other hand never once seemed to grow or change as a person. Because her character didn't have the depth to have any growth.


Tell me what growth Rey has experienced. Tell me what struggles she has overcome. There aren't any. At any challenge she 'downloads' a new Force capability and is 'great'. No explanation at all. And even at the end of TLJ, she STILL doesn't seem to have any idea what's going on. One can argue HER whole role for two movies has been as the love interest for Finn and Poe to chase after. She certainly hasn't grown or changed a bit.

I'll grant you Leia could have been handled better. But it was 1977-1983. Not 2015-2018. Two whole generations of difference there. For her time, Leia is a BREATHTAKINGLY strong female character. And for 2018 Rey is a breathtakingly WEAK female character.

Not as bad as Holdo or Rose Tico, though. They both plumb the depths of weak female characters I haven't seen in a major release for two decades now. Even slasher flicks don't write female character that weak anymore.


Ry sought answers about her parents. Rey decided to defy luke and stand up for what her interpretation of her visions meant. Rey tried to Save Kylo despite Lukes warnings. Rey went to find Luke because she wanted to not because anyone asked her to. Rey more or less forced luke to start training her because she wanted training. Rey came back and saved what little resistance was left on her own accord. Rey started off living on her own and making her own living instead of being a little gak on his uncles farm.

Considering that Rey has had no romantic relationship with Poe OR Finn you would be hard pressed to make that argument. Especially since Leias character kissed Luke and Han at least once in all 3 movies and Rey has kissed exactly nobody.


Yeah, Rose is weak. Having a backstory explaining how her and her sister come from a place that Finn has never seen in his life about how the fancy and well to do crush the down trodden and make slaves of people. Having her sister die. Having her stop attempted people fleeing the resistance because she won't let them run when her sister didn't, having her have skills as a mechanic and stepping up to be a pilot because Poe made sure they were running out of those. All those layers that make her an actual person is the very definition of a weak character.


I don't remember Luke ASKING for permission to chase after R2.

I DO remember Luke trying his darndest to get off of Tatooine, and being held back by his well-intentioned uncle. He's SUPPOSED to be a good, generally obedient kid that the audience sympathizes with.

Rey? Rey is an abandoned orphan who spends the first movie either waiting for her parents to return for her, or trying to get BACK to Jakku to wait for her parents to return for her.

Luke gets real training. Rey starts doing this and is just AWESUMH! at it because story requires it. She hops in the Millenium Falcon for the first time and flies it as well as either Han or Lando ever did. Without being trained in piloting a starship, I might add.

I can just barely accept her beating Kylo Ren at the end of TFA, as it's established she can fight in melee; Kylo Ren had been shot by Chewbacca with a BOWCASTER; and Finn (also established with some melee training) had worn Ren down first. Her beating Snoke's guard? Nope. Lifting dozens of boulders? Luke struggled to lift large rocks after days of INTENSE training, Rey had, at most, HOURS of half-assed training.

I remember Obi-Wan telling Luke that he needed to go rescue Leia, and Luke turning him down, until he saw the brutality of the Empire with his own eyes.

And I remember Luke confronting his father not to kill him, as Obi-Wan told him to, but to REDEEM him.

Sure, Rey hasn't kissed anyone. But don't tell me Poe and (especially) Finn aren't interested.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/12 23:59:10


Post by: Matt.Kingsley


a) The real reason is merchandising, but in-universe you could say that the reason is because the SF-17s munition capacity far exceeds that of the B and Y wings.

b) The film sort of mentions emergency refueling as that reason. It doesn't explain it very well, but it does give that as the reason.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 00:04:07


Post by: Lance845


What real training does luke get? He spends MAYBE a week with ben getting shot by a ball before he uses the force to blow up the death star.

Go on. Give me a time stamp for a new hope for when luke gets ANY real training.

He also didnt turn down ben because HE wanted to turn ben down. He said i cant... My uncle will be mad. Im 20 and do what im told.

Obi wan didnt tell luke to kill vader.

Thats your projection of finn and poe onto rey. Its very possible for people to be friends and happy to see each other without doing the pants dance. We have ZERO evidence those characters are interested in her sexually. Thats all you.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 00:06:19


Post by: Vulcan


 Lance845 wrote:
The fact that their COULD have been a sabatuer in the fleet is exactly why they didn't tell Poe gak. In responce Poe put them all in even more danger. POE was the idiot making mistakes. Holdo was doing her damn job with idiots making a bigger mess around her.


Poe tries to save the Resistance in the face of apparent indifference from his commander.

In a real-world situation like this, and in the absence of evidence of a saboteur - and let's be honest, there is NO mention of even the slightest suspicion of a saboteur in the movie - it is VITAL for a commander to keep morale up. Appearing to have no plan to save everyone's life is really bad for morale, and leads to people taking action to save their OWN lives. Which is exactly what happens here. Not a reckless hotshot trying to grandstand (not then, anyway). A soldier trying to save the lives of his fellow soldiers when his commander has failed to take action to do so. That's called INITIATIVE, and is highly prized in the military.

Now I'll grant you, later on he does grandstand leading infantry out to those trenches. THAT was a complete waste of lives.

Now let's talk about Rose for a moment, shall we? Finn's all lined up to follow Holdo's lead and sacrifice himself to save the Resistance.... and Rose STOPS HIM. As a result, if Luke hadn't delayed the New Order, the Resistance DIES THEN AND THERE.

But somehow it's okay for Holdo to sacrifice her life, but not okay for Finn to sacrifice his because Rose (despite all evidence to the contrary earlier in the film) loves him? Where the heck did THAT come from?


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Post by: Lance845


Rose, again, is a person with emotions who does things because of those meotions. Her actions dont have to be perfect. And btw, finn wasnt going to make it. We all saw it. He would have died to no effect.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 00:11:35


Post by: Vulcan


 Lance845 wrote:
What real training does luke get? He spends MAYBE a week with ben getting shot by a ball before he uses the force to blow up the death star.

Go on. Give me a time stamp for a new hope for when luke gets ANY real training.


While we're at it, show me where Rey learned to fly a heavily modified light freighter well enough to outmaneuver one of the most nimble fighters the galaxy has ever seen.

He also didnt turn down ben because HE wanted to turn ben down. He said i cant... My uncle will be mad. Im 20 and do what im told.

Obi wan didnt tell luke to kill vader.


Luke: "I can't kill my father."

Obi-Wan: (sadly) "Then the Emperor has already won."

Thats your projection of finn and poe onto rey. Its very possible for people to be friends and happy to see each other without doing the pants dance. We have ZERO evidence those characters are interested in her sexually. Thats all you.


Finn barely knows Rey, but seems AWFULLY intent on finding her at the beginning of TLJ. There hasn't been TIME for them to become that close as friends. Lust, on the other hand...


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 Lance845 wrote:
Rose, again, is a person with emotions who does things because of those meotions. Her actions dont have to be perfect. And btw, finn wasnt going to make it. We all saw it. He would have died to no effect.


I still want to know how Rose goes from loathing Finn as an attempted defector to loving him enough to sacrifice her life for him in less than 18 hours.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 00:23:11


Post by: Lance845


Finn escaped the brain washing first order. He makes 2 friends poe and rey. He doesnt want to fight. He wants to run. Before he goes down the only 1 of his 2 friends is there and in danger. When he wakes up he wants to know what happened to the one person he was with that he gives any gak about.

Then, because of the rose plot, finn learns why its important to fight instead of run. And he takes that to a suicidal extreme, which he is saved from.

Its his character ark. Finding real relationships and ideals and learning whats worth fighting for and that throwing your life away wont help.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 00:50:57


Post by: Vulcan


I think you mean 'arc', not 'ark'.

The points remain... how is it fine for Rose's sister and Holdo to sacrifice themselves, and not Finn? How does Rose come to love someone who, less than 18 hours earlier, she herself stuns as he tries to abandon her and the Resistance she's sacrificed a sister to?

Nope. Just doesn't make sense.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 00:57:36


Post by: Lance845


Roses sister only HAD to die because Poe was a feth up. Holdo because sw tech, for all its advancment, is analog and no auto pilot exists. She actually was providing cover for everyone else to escape. It only failed because poe fethed up again with finn and rose and let the enemy know what was up.

Finn, again, wasnt saving anyone. If this movie had a general theme about sacrifice in it, its that you shouldnt. Because other people are gunna pay for your (poes) idiocy. Twice other people paid for poes dumb ass decisions.

If there is a problem with this movie its that they didnt string up poe and execute him as a hazard to everyone elses life.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 02:47:09


Post by: insaniak


 Manchu wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seems to be getting decent early comments.
TLJ came into theaters with around 97% fresh rating. I have no doubt Disney will ensure similar results here.

And TLJ was awesome, so if this turns out to be as good, I'll be happy.


I think I've finally got my head around accepting this as a stand-alone movie, so it doesn't matter as much that Han and Lando are completely different guys, and the rest of it from the trailers looks cool, so if reviews are also good that leaves me far more hopeful than I started out.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 03:47:31


Post by: ZebioLizard2


 Lance845 wrote:
Roses sister only HAD to die because Poe was a feth up. Holdo because sw tech, for all its advancment, is analog and no auto pilot exists. She actually was providing cover for everyone else to escape. It only failed because poe fethed up again with finn and rose and let the enemy know what was up.
There is auto-pilot in the star wars universe.. It's kind of what astromech droids like R2 do. Not counting the EU stuff like droid brains just attached to ships.

Also Roses sister had to die because something had to motivate Rose. She essentially got fridged in order to make Rose.. who is paralyzing people and tossing them in the brig as a result (Did anyone ask her to do this? Is she the Resistance equivalent of a commissar to keep people from deserting?) some sort of motivation, which overall got somewhat glossed over due to the Canto Blight stuff.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 03:56:27


Post by: Lance845


If the astromech is doing it then its not auto pilot since its essentially a sentient ai driving.

By auto pilot i mean what amounts to cruise control in your car. Aparently in sw you cant put a brick on the pedal and walk away.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 05:54:13


Post by: Grey Templar


 Lance845 wrote:
Finn escaped the brain washing first order. He makes 2 friends poe and rey. He doesnt want to fight. He wants to run. Before he goes down the only 1 of his 2 friends is there and in danger. When he wakes up he wants to know what happened to the one person he was with that he gives any gak about.

Then, because of the rose plot, finn learns why its important to fight instead of run. And he takes that to a suicidal extreme, which he is saved from.

Its his character ark. Finding real relationships and ideals and learning whats worth fighting for and that throwing your life away wont help.


See, that is how I envisioned Finn's story arc being pitched, but the execution was awful. It just makes him appear nonsensical. He's either a sniveling coward or a stoic self-sacrificing hero. But because those are incompatible character traits it is just so jarring.

Really that I think is the biggest failing of these two movies. They totally failed to make Finn a usable character. Somehow he is a font of knowledge about the intimate technical details of First Order protocols, yet at the same time he's a flunky stormtrooper who's resume is limited to janitorial duties.

To make Finn a believable source of inside information he needed to be a hard bitten Stormtrooper veteran who has a change of heart when asked to slaughter defenseless civilians. That would explain how he had so much knowledge that would realistically be restricted information, and explain his bravery. Leave the cowering, whining, and whimpering to C-3P0. You could even justify him trying to escape with this new version. He simply doesn't really buy into the Resistance ideology. He doesn't really give a frak about anybody except Rey and Poe, so when he thinks the situation is hopeless he's willing to run off, but not because he's a spineless coward, because he just doesn't really care that much and doesn't fancy dying for no purpose.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 06:11:17


Post by: ingtaer


Don't want to interrupt and try and post about the new film (you know the actual topic), but has it been mentioned at all that the first reviews have been given and it is widely positive?

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/han-solo-a-star-wars-story-movie-reviews-read-crit/1100-6458881/

I am not a movie buff so don't know who any of those people are or if their views are to be respected.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 06:39:31


Post by: Lance845


 Grey Templar wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
Finn escaped the brain washing first order. He makes 2 friends poe and rey. He doesnt want to fight. He wants to run. Before he goes down the only 1 of his 2 friends is there and in danger. When he wakes up he wants to know what happened to the one person he was with that he gives any gak about.

Then, because of the rose plot, finn learns why its important to fight instead of run. And he takes that to a suicidal extreme, which he is saved from.

Its his character ark. Finding real relationships and ideals and learning whats worth fighting for and that throwing your life away wont help.


See, that is how I envisioned Finn's story arc being pitched, but the execution was awful. It just makes him appear nonsensical. He's either a sniveling coward or a stoic self-sacrificing hero. But because those are incompatible character traits it is just so jarring.

Really that I think is the biggest failing of these two movies. They totally failed to make Finn a usable character. Somehow he is a font of knowledge about the intimate technical details of First Order protocols, yet at the same time he's a flunky stormtrooper who's resume is limited to janitorial duties.

To make Finn a believable source of inside information he needed to be a hard bitten Stormtrooper veteran who has a change of heart when asked to slaughter defenseless civilians. That would explain how he had so much knowledge that would realistically be restricted information, and explain his bravery. Leave the cowering, whining, and whimpering to C-3P0. You could even justify him trying to escape with this new version. He simply doesn't really buy into the Resistance ideology. He doesn't really give a frak about anybody except Rey and Poe, so when he thinks the situation is hopeless he's willing to run off, but not because he's a spineless coward, because he just doesn't really care that much and doesn't fancy dying for no purpose.


Which is fine, but you should try and keep in mind that these movies are for kids too. And Finns "bumbling" and being a janitor instead of a hardened vet fits better as a character that belongs there for kids instead of a serious sci fi adult film. SW isn't serious. It never has been. And it should never be taken so.


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 ingtaer wrote:
Don't want to interrupt and try and post about the new film (you know the actual topic), but has it been mentioned at all that the first reviews have been given and it is widely positive?

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/han-solo-a-star-wars-story-movie-reviews-read-crit/1100-6458881/

I am not a movie buff so don't know who any of those people are or if their views are to be respected.


Yeah people mentioned it earlier. It's sort of what kicked off this TLJ discussion (comparing it's reviews to actual film).

Nobodys views are to be respected. Especially people who try to tell you their views for a living.



Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 06:51:31


Post by: Kilkrazy


Guys, the thread is about Han Solo film so please stick to that.

All the reviews, and viewers' comments, I have seen have been pretty positive about the film. No-one thinks it's Best Film Evar, but it's worth seeing.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 08:56:52


Post by: Mr Morden


Nobodys views are to be respected. Especially people who try to tell you their views for a living.


People who are paid to watch films they might dislike and if not bribed willl allow their own biasd to show - yeah I need to respect them. I will continue to make my own descisons based on my own experience of a given film

SW isn't serious. It never has been. And it should never be taken so.


Agreed - perhaps you should tell the Sainted critics that as they pretend that it was a super interlectual film in order to hide their own corruption.

On the current film, the trailers are good enough to catch it on Sky but thats all.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 12:47:59


Post by: AegisGrimm


If it's as good as Rogue One as feeling like a Star Wars movie compared to the first two of the new trilogy, I'll be very happy.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 21:26:17


Post by: Vulcan


 Lance845 wrote:
Roses sister only HAD to die because Poe was a feth up. Holdo because sw tech, for all its advancment, is analog and no auto pilot exists. She actually was providing cover for everyone else to escape. It only failed because poe fethed up again with finn and rose and let the enemy know what was up.

Finn, again, wasnt saving anyone. If this movie had a general theme about sacrifice in it, its that you shouldnt. Because other people are gunna pay for your (poes) idiocy. Twice other people paid for poes dumb ass decisions.

If there is a problem with this movie its that they didnt string up poe and execute him as a hazard to everyone elses life.


Okay, if it was THAT bad of an idea to attack the Dreadnaught... why didn't Leia or Ackbar just recall the strike?

Oops! Looks like they share the blame with Poe.

Or the bomber crews could have told Poe to stuff it; it was too risky. But they saw the value of the mission and decided it was a good risk. So if it was a futile act, they ALSO share some of the blame.

And if the situation was truly that dire and the fleet was endangered by Poe's antics delaying their departure (they weren't; he was out there buying time for the last evacuees to get to the cruiser), they could simply have left without him and the bombers. After all, we know X-Wings have hyperdrives, and I can't imagine those big, lumbering bombers didn't (they fit a hyperdrive in a tiny little A-Wing, for the gods' sake). "Meet us at the rendezvous point," and BOOM!, away they go.

That's the kind of problem that comes up when a director gets so enamored with telling HIS version, he forgets to reference everything that has gone before.

At any rate, now it looks like Poe's not the maniac you thought he was. Because the high commander of the Resistance (Leia), the commander of the fleet (Ackbar), and literally everyone in the bomber squadron has a share in the blame.

Finn's sacrifice would have worked fine, by the way. I swallowed my distaste and rewatched the movie. Rose crashes into Finn's speedster about ten seconds away from impact. It's another minute or more before the beam fires. Finn has time to regain his bearings after the crash, get out of his ski speeder, go over to Roes's ski speeder, and HOLD A SHORT CONVERSATION before she kisses him... and the beam finally fires.

He'd have gone out like a hero, instead of continuing to be the token comic relief black guy.


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 Lance845 wrote:
Which is fine, but you should try and keep in mind that these movies are for kids too.


Sorry, didn't we see Anakin walk into a room full of kids with the clear implication he's going to kill them ALL?

Don't we later see Anakin laying on the ground being turned into a roast long-pig with three limbs removed?

Twice in the first two movies someone's ARM is seen lying on the ground amid bloodspatter.

No, this is not really a series of kiddie movies.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/13 21:56:28


Post by: Lance845


Pm me if you want to keep talking about this, or ressurect the TLJ thread. Im happy to talk about it. But the mods asked us to return to the topic of solo here.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/14 04:27:51


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


The TLJ thread was already locked for on-topic chatter.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/15 12:20:24


Post by: Manchu


Feel free to start a new one. Obviously there is still a lot to talk about.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/15 16:58:02


Post by: sirlynchmob


 Lance845 wrote:
The fact that their COULD have been a sabatuer in the fleet is exactly why they didn't tell Poe gak. In responce Poe put them all in even more danger. POE was the idiot making mistakes. Holdo was doing her damn job with idiots making a bigger mess around her.


Holdo is a utter failure as an admiral. Let's remember there was never any hints of saboteurs, and I guess it was Poe's mutiny that makes Holdo think he's ready to lead the rebellion? Holdo logic "I don't trust you with the escape plan, but please lead after I'm dead"

back to han though, where did this name "soylo" come from? I missed it's origins it seems as my news feed is all about dead pool and the avengers and nothing about the solo movie. which is odd because I should have been seeing multiple countdown clocks to the opening by now, and I have to go look for the commercials and information on it, I don't see it on tv, or have it recommended on fb, or youtube.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/15 22:35:05


Post by: Ctaylor


Warning: some PG-13 language!




I like his reviews and trust them more than most.

"Soylo" is a pejorative formed from associating "Solo" with "Soy", which some people consider to be unmanly food. I think.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/15 23:09:14


Post by: Lance845


sirlynchmob wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
The fact that their COULD have been a sabatuer in the fleet is exactly why they didn't tell Poe gak. In responce Poe put them all in even more danger. POE was the idiot making mistakes. Holdo was doing her damn job with idiots making a bigger mess around her.


Holdo is a utter failure as an admiral. Let's remember there was never any hints of saboteurs, and I guess it was Poe's mutiny that makes Holdo think he's ready to lead the rebellion? Holdo logic "I don't trust you with the escape plan, but please lead after I'm dead"

back to han though, where did this name "soylo" come from? I missed it's origins it seems as my news feed is all about dead pool and the avengers and nothing about the solo movie. which is odd because I should have been seeing multiple countdown clocks to the opening by now, and I have to go look for the commercials and information on it, I don't see it on tv, or have it recommended on fb, or youtube.


Yeah her plan to evacuate everyone except 3 people driving the big ships (again SW tech is dumb, why do they not have cruise control?) while making the first Order believe that they had killed the entire resistance while in actuality saving everyone was a total failure on her part. It wasn't at all the actions of Poe and Co that got entire shuttles full of people killed.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 00:12:08


Post by: sirlynchmob


 Lance845 wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
The fact that their COULD have been a sabatuer in the fleet is exactly why they didn't tell Poe gak. In responce Poe put them all in even more danger. POE was the idiot making mistakes. Holdo was doing her damn job with idiots making a bigger mess around her.


Holdo is a utter failure as an admiral. Let's remember there was never any hints of saboteurs, and I guess it was Poe's mutiny that makes Holdo think he's ready to lead the rebellion? Holdo logic "I don't trust you with the escape plan, but please lead after I'm dead"

back to han though, where did this name "soylo" come from? I missed it's origins it seems as my news feed is all about dead pool and the avengers and nothing about the solo movie. which is odd because I should have been seeing multiple countdown clocks to the opening by now, and I have to go look for the commercials and information on it, I don't see it on tv, or have it recommended on fb, or youtube.


Yeah her plan to evacuate everyone except 3 people driving the big ships (again SW tech is dumb, why do they not have cruise control?) while making the first Order believe that they had killed the entire resistance while in actuality saving everyone was a total failure on her part. It wasn't at all the actions of Poe and Co that got entire shuttles full of people killed.


and that whole situation is of her making, she was in charge, she failed on so many levels. but again I have to ask, why a guy who's not trusted to know the plan seems to be her next choice to be leader of the rebellion.

she orders an evacuation and tells no one, not even the pilots (poe & fellow mutineers) where they are going, it's like she only imagined giving an order. If you give a order that no one is around to hear, was the order even given? Even in todays navy once the order to evacuate is given, everyone on board assembles at their rafts, and everyone is told the direction and distance to the destination, the local enviornmental conditions and direction to nearest friendly forces. Not to mention all of the techs, ie rose, would have been running around destroying all the crypto gear and sensitive information. She did none of that, so yes she's a total failure, If there was a saboteur onboard, it was her. Not briefing your senior officers on what their expected to do, so they can have their people doing what needs to be done is setting everyone up for failure, needlessly risking lives, and sabotaging the mission. Also it makes for horrible story telling and meaningless side quests.




Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 01:50:03


Post by: Yodhrin


Seeing a few reviews come out now, and they seem to fall broadly into two camps:

Camp One thinks it's a fun, entertaining Star Wars movie that's remarkably coherent given the production issues, and will likely please fans and normal cinemagoers alike. Ehrenreich is apparently actually a pretty good Han Solo.

Camp Two grudgingly admits it's a fun, entertaining Star Wars movie that's remarkably coherent given the production issues, and will likely please fans and normal cinemagoers alike, BUT wwah wwwaaaah it's not TLJ and it's so pedestrian and it's not subversive enough wwwaaaaah.

So I expect I'll thoroughly enjoy it.

Seriously though, Den of Geek need to take a proper long hard look at themselves - the sodding Guardian gave this 4/5, and if you're out-snobbing the Guardian you're basically James William Bottomtooth III.



Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 02:51:26


Post by: Lance845


Im looking forward to watching it after I see Deadpool 2.

If its fun its a win. Though so far I have felt like this is a incredibly pointless addition to the movies.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 03:25:06


Post by: Maniac_nmt


I figure I set my expectations really low, and then I'll enjoy it. I went into Last Jedi expecting the worst film in the series and thus found it somewhat entertaining. Not great, or even top tier, but not horrible.

Solo has potential, but I won't expect much. Thus anything will seem a decent popcorn film.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 04:17:56


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/756949.page#9978310

There! I made a TLJ dumping thread! Please, move all your TLJ discussions to there! Thank you!


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 04:43:36


Post by: Manchu


TBH there is no reason to trust any review of this film that appears before general release.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 04:46:17


Post by: Lance845


Or any reviews of any film for that matter. Your tastes are yours. Enjoy what you like.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 04:46:27


Post by: Manchu


Hey and on that note:




Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 04:50:54


Post by: ingtaer


Bit NSFW work there Manchu.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 05:01:36


Post by: Manchu


Yes in case anyone did not know sometimes there is swearing in Red Letter Media videos.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 05:50:23


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I didn't recognize any of them from the still photo.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 08:03:10


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Ignore the ratings. Scan through the comments.

Right now, despite earlier misgivings, I've got that Ant-Man and Rogue One ray of hope.

See, all three films there had troubled productions - some more than most, at least according to reports.

Ant-Man and Rogue One turned out to be cracking films. Indeed, hand on heart I think Rogue One is the best Star Wars film I've seen.

Solo? Well, probably the better covered 'troubled birth'. And according to DoG, up to 70% of the film was re-shot by Ron Howard.

But I'm yet to see an outright negative early comment. So with any luck, this'll also be a pleasant surprise.


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Just clocked the reviews on RT.

All saying remarkably similar things - essentially that it's not a perfect film, has a slow start, but finishes strongly - and most importantly, it's fun.

That's me sold.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 09:04:07


Post by: -Loki-


Echoing what Doc said. Cautiously optimistic because the early comments are similar to early comments for Rogue One, and I too found that to be my favourite Star Wars film.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 10:58:18


Post by: Mr Morden


 Lance845 wrote:
Or any reviews of any film for that matter. Your tastes are yours. Enjoy what you like.


Well said sir, well said.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 11:10:48


Post by: ingtaer


 Mr Morden wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
Or any reviews of any film for that matter. Your tastes are yours. Enjoy what you like.


Well said sir, well said.


Whilst I do agree with that, I have to say that when the film isn't even released yet it is a bit hard to judge how much one would like it or whether it is any good. For example with the first of the sequels I though the adverts were excellent and thought the film would be good based on that (as well as the fact that I am a massive SW nerd) however having watched the film I hated it, I would rather they stuck with the old EU and considering how crap that largely was it is really saying something. I would have preferred to save myself the money and just played x-wing instead of wasting that time on the film.

But of course it always a problem with critics that they are often paid shills or have their own axes to grind, the Shawshank Redemption's critical reception springs to mind here, as it had shocking reviews and has since gone down as one of the greatest cult classics of all time. So with the Solo film and its reviews if everyone who has reviewed it is paid by the mouse, or reviewing it positively to keep their jobs I would probably give the film a miss, if some of the reviewers were die hard fans who loved it I might be more tempted to watch it.
As it stands, personally I think I will give it a miss, everything I have seen and heard leads me to suspect it will be very pretty, have the odd nod and homage to the past and probably be as devoid of flavour as a pot noodle.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 11:51:18


Post by: A Town Called Malus


 ingtaer wrote:
the Shawshank Redemption's critical reception springs to mind here, as it had shocking reviews and has since gone down as one of the greatest cult classics of all time.


The Shawshank Redemption had overall good reviews on its release. It was also nominated for seven academy awards.

It was a disappointment at the box office, not in critical reception.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 12:03:58


Post by: ingtaer


 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 ingtaer wrote:
the Shawshank Redemption's critical reception springs to mind here, as it had shocking reviews and has since gone down as one of the greatest cult classics of all time.


The Shawshank Redemption had overall good reviews on its release. It was also nominated for seven academy awards.

It was a disappointment at the box office, not in critical reception.


Ah, fair enough. I obviously misremembered (its been 20 years after all). I must of got confused with box office and critics. Makes me question this whole thing even more.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 12:12:46


Post by: A Town Called Malus


 ingtaer wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 ingtaer wrote:
the Shawshank Redemption's critical reception springs to mind here, as it had shocking reviews and has since gone down as one of the greatest cult classics of all time.


The Shawshank Redemption had overall good reviews on its release. It was also nominated for seven academy awards.

It was a disappointment at the box office, not in critical reception.


Ah, fair enough. I obviously misremembered (its been 20 years after all). I must of got confused with box office and critics. Makes me question this whole thing even more.


There was apparently a bad review in the Los Angeles Times, which some people blamed for the resulting box office, but most of the other reviews were positive.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 12:24:14


Post by: ingtaer


Had a look as well and apparently the Washington Post gave a bad review as well. I guess these things depend upon where the money lies...

Been thinking of the film in regards to the EU and reckon that would be pretty damn good, growing up on Corellia Han and Dengar have a rivalry, leading to a swoop bike race in which Han wins and Dengar gets messed up. Han goes onto join the Imperial Academy and then leaves in spectacular fashion when he sees the Wookies being subjected, freeing Chewie he goes rogue, wins the Falcon off Lando in a game of Sabacc and leads a life on the edge. Taking jobs where he can he leads him to Kessel and smuggling for the Hutts. etc.
Could be pretty damn good. firefly meets SW.

I fear the film will be hamfisted moralising, pretty pictures, spinning is a good trick etc... Really hope to be proved wrong as I loved Rogue One.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 12:44:03


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Oh for heavens sake.

Other than 'a film I didn't enjoy got good reviews' there's not a shred of evidence that Disney are bribing critics.

Please, just stop with such baseless nonsense.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 12:46:18


Post by: Mr Morden


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh for heavens sake.

Other than 'a film I didn't enjoy got good reviews' there's not a shred of evidence that Disney are bribing critics.

Please, just stop with such baseless nonsense.
The overwhelming evidence is the reviews themselves - we don't need anything more. Coercion or corruption - likely some of both.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 12:50:55


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Oh just stop.

YOU didn't like a film. That doesn't mean the film isn't enjoyable.

You're not wrong to dislike it. The next man isn't wrong for liking it.



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Post by: ingtaer


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh for heavens sake.

Other than 'a film I didn't enjoy got good reviews' there's not a shred of evidence that Disney are bribing critics.

Please, just stop with such baseless nonsense.


Presuming that was directed at me, well my thoughts are that critics are paid for their job. They get advanced viewings based upon their reviews. if they say this was gak they wont get asked back, so they skirt the edges or don't rock the boat in order to have the ability to review films in the future. It is pretty obvious and basic business. I am not going to discount the film but would like to know the credentials of the people reviewing the film. if they are unbiased, established fans I am more likely to trust their opinion. As you MDG referred to to people who didn't like TLJ as edgelords for not liking the film, regardless of why they didn't like it, your opinion carries no weight at all.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


They slagged off the Prequels.

They slagged off the DC universe.

They ripped into Tom Cruise's Mummy film.

If every blockbuster got favourable reviews - you may be on to something. But they don't. At all. Marvel get good reviews because slap my cheeks and Call Me Deirdre, they make good movies. Critics clearly enjoyed TLJ. They were no more wrong to than I am, and no more right than you not enjoying it.

Seriously. Just knock it off. Someone enjoying something you didn't does not a bribery/coercion case make.


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Post by: Mr Morden


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh just stop.

YOU didn't like a film. That doesn't mean the film isn't enjoyable.

You're not wrong to dislike it. The next man isn't wrong for liking it.



See the response below for many good reasons to simply not to trust film critics.

I hated it - you liked it - means nothing either way.

They slagged off the Prequels.
- Not that I recall they didn't - loads of good reviews at the time - later they backtracked when its was safe

They ripped into Tom Cruise's Mummy film -
for no good reason - it was certainly better than TLJ but then so was paint drying.


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Post by: Kilkrazy


Comments about SW TLJ belong in the SW TLJ thread.

Thanks in advance for your co-operation...


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Post by: ingtaer


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They slagged off the Prequels.

They slagged off the DC universe.

They ripped into Tom Cruise's Mummy film.

If every blockbuster got favourable reviews - you may be on to something. But they don't. At all. Marvel get good reviews because slap my cheeks and Call Me Deirdre, they make good movies. Critics clearly enjoyed TLJ. They were no more wrong to than I am, and no more right than you not enjoying it.

Seriously. Just knock it off. Someone enjoying something you didn't does not a bribery/coercion case make.


Not in any way trying to suggest it is bribery, but when your bread is buttered..

I cant attest to the specifics you mention but I have no desire to spend my money based upon the word of people I don't know and have not heard of. I judge no man for enjoying films I don't, but I do feel that the sequels could do much better. I loved Rogue One, thought it was a cracking film, the slow start didn't bother me at all as I grew up with old fashioned British war films, but the sequels I thought were utter dross. Even worse than the EU books and if you have read all the full horror of the Vong war and the new Jedi rubbish you know how bad that got. I hope Solo doesn't go that way, but as it stands I have seen no evidence either way, refer to my last post of I think could be good,


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Post by: KTG17


I have just about lost interest in Star Wars. There are more movies I dislike than like. The original characters are such classics to me, but I don't have any interest in this movie. Its not really Solo to me. And I don't understand what the heck Disney is doing. 'Hey we just killed Solo, but here is a movie about a younger Solo! Keeping the legend alive.' Sometimes I think its best to just leave origin stories untold. Like the Fett movie. The best part about Fett, was that you didn't know who was under the mask. You could put anyone. Even yourself. Now some hacks are going to make a BS story about him . Just leave him alone.

If they just instead did 'Character X: A Star Wars Film' instead of 'Solo', I would actually be more interested. They are just bleeding everything to death. I think Rogue One was really surprisingly good, and I imagine its possible that Solo could be too, but I feel like I got enough from Solo that I needed to from the original movies. I don't like how he just shows up in TFA, and then dies is a ridiculously way.

I guess I just don't want to support this anymore. Understand if others do, that's cool. But to me its Solo and Lando in name only. If they were introducing new characters into the TFA/TLJ timeline, then great! It would be a nice break from the rebellion no one seems to care about.

I just think that while Disney is doing such an amazing job with Marvel, they are behaving like DC with Star Wars. There doesn't seem to be a real plan.

So I'll see it when it comes out on demand if I am bored, but will skip the theater.


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Post by: Mr Morden


I loved the second half of Rogue One - if its like that but more of a crime caper as the trailers suggest it will be great. I'll wait till its on tv though

Marvel does seem to have a understanding of what they want to do. Star Wars not so much.



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Post by: Easy E


I think making a heist movie in the Star Wars universe is a great idea. They should use templates from other movie genres to make more Star Wars films in the wider galaxy. I truly support that idea.

However, I have no interest in seeing this. TMP made my love of Star Wars pretty shaky, but TLJ killed it. I don;t want more Nihilism in my life. I have Real-life for that.


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Post by: Maniac_nmt


 KTG17 wrote:
I have just about lost interest in Star Wars. There are more movies I dislike than like. The original characters are such classics to me, but I don't have any interest in this movie. Its not really Solo to me. And I don't understand what the heck Disney is doing. 'Hey we just killed Solo, but here is a movie about a younger Solo! Keeping the legend alive.' Sometimes I think its best to just leave origin stories untold. Like the Fett movie. The best part about Fett, was that you didn't know who was under the mask. You could put anyone. Even yourself. Now some hacks are going to make a BS story about him . Just leave him alone.

If they just instead did 'Character X: A Star Wars Film' instead of 'Solo', I would actually be more interested. They are just bleeding everything to death. I think Rogue One was really surprisingly good, and I imagine its possible that Solo could be too, but I feel like I got enough from Solo that I needed to from the original movies. I don't like how he just shows up in TFA, and then dies is a ridiculously way.

I guess I just don't want to support this anymore. Understand if others do, that's cool. But to me its Solo and Lando in name only. If they were introducing new characters into the TFA/TLJ timeline, then great! It would be a nice break from the rebellion no one seems to care about.

I just think that while Disney is doing such an amazing job with Marvel, they are behaving like DC with Star Wars. There doesn't seem to be a real plan.

So I'll see it when it comes out on demand if I am bored, but will skip the theater.


I will say Solo is both a good and bad choice for what they are trying.

Disney is looking to explore something other than Rebels vs Evil Empire's Death Star. Solo is a popular character, who will draw people in on name recognition, but enable them to look at branching out somewhat. The problem, as you note, is he's dead and killed off in a lack luster fashion. There is sort of no point to the story, we already know he/Lando/Chewie make it out just fine, it cannot really go in any great direction. It would have been good to go with new characters or characters we know but current (where is Wedge perhaps?). Rogue One hit the tried and true motif of Rebel vs Empire, and even the Death Star. However, they were all new characters who could die at any point (and did).

But then, this is normal for Hollywood. Go to the same well until it is exhausted for this generation, walk away, and then come back to see if it has refilled any.


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Post by: LunarSol


I've heard its a really good version of something that still doesn't really need to exist. It sounds fun, if a little forgettable. Better than I'm expecting; worth seeing in theaters if I get the chance, but not a huge deal if I wait and see it on the home release.


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Post by: KTG17


Yeah I don't want to sound like I wont sit down and watch a pointless movie. There are lots of pointless movies I'll watch on a Sunday afternoon. But to me Star Wars left a legacy in my brain from my time as a youth. I appreciate the stories that will add to it, as Rogue One did. However, the prequels and more recent films really wanted me to just lock what I loved about Star Wars in a box, and keep the rest of what I didn't like out. Yes, the universe is a huge place and there are many, many stores that could be told, just would prefer with new characters.

You know what one of my favorite parts of all of Star Wars is? The Cantina on Tatooine. The original scene mind you (Han shot first). I imagined all the stores about those characters as a kid, and the trouble they would have made. I don't really need all of their stories told, but exploring some of guys like them, in the backdrop of the Empire, would be cool. Yet everything in the universe still centers around a small group of individuals like the rest of them don't matter.

They have to do be able to do better than this. I would hope.


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Post by: BobtheInquisitor


For me, it has more need to exist than the mainline Star Wars sequels, and I hate the idea of a prequel explaining a character's backstory.

The original Star Wars trilogy was a complete story. It was done, finished, a painting that needed the artist to step away. The prequels and the sequels can only do harm. However, side stories that exist elsewhere and elsewhen can tell their own contained stories. R1 and Solo exist somewhere in the middle ground for me, each being enough of a side story to take it or leave it, although connected to the main story in an unobtrusive way (well, I hope Solo is unobtrusive). Basically, I'd rather see Disney make another Ewok Adventure instead of another The Force Awakens/The Last Jedi.


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Post by: Manchu


Even in movies I really don't like, there are moments I like - Krennic visiting Vader in his Mustafarian castle in R1, Kylo Ren telling Rey to face facts about her parents in TLJ. I'm sure there will be something to like in this Solo film. I'm not at the point yet where I feel sick thinking about going to see a SW film. (I do feel sick, however, at the prospect of buying into a SW miniatures game.)


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Post by: Yodhrin


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
For me, it has more need to exist than the mainline Star Wars sequels, and I hate the idea of a prequel explaining a character's backstory.

The original Star Wars trilogy was a complete story. It was done, finished, a painting that needed the artist to step away. The prequels and the sequels can only do harm. However, side stories that exist elsewhere and elsewhen can tell their own contained stories. R1 and Solo exist somewhere in the middle ground for me, each being enough of a side story to take it or leave it, although connected to the main story in an unobtrusive way (well, I hope Solo is unobtrusive). Basically, I'd rather see Disney make another Ewok Adventure instead of another The Force Awakens/The Last Jedi.


What's bizarre is that does seem to be their plan, though they decided they had to ease the fanbase into it with the Sequels carrying on the saga storyline first, but allowed that concept to be executed in two such discordant ways(unrepentant nostalgiafest followed by deconstructionist "let the past die" teardown) that they've completely undermined that intent.

I really do wish they had just skipped right to the new story stuff. No new "episode" films, or hell just do one solitary direct Sequel where you wrap things up with Old Man Luke and Senator Organa and Deadbeat Dad Han etc while setting up the New Republic era, then get right on with something different - no Apple iStormtroopers vs Store Brand Rebellion, just get out there and show us the galaxy. Or with something safe but fun, like Solo, or an Obi Wan film, or give us side-stories set during the GCW where we see Rebel plebs rather than the Big Damn Heroes, or we get to spend time with the thugs and scum.

I'd rather have new stuff(or even old stuff, I wouldn't say no to a KotOR-era film or trilogy), but I think you're right that the key thing about films like Solo is there's no real obligation attached to them to consider them equivalent in importance to the OT(or PT, despite the films being a bit off a lot of the folk who grew up over those years regard them as fondly as some of us regard the OT).


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Post by: Maniac_nmt


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
For me, it has more need to exist than the mainline Star Wars sequels, and I hate the idea of a prequel explaining a character's backstory.

The original Star Wars trilogy was a complete story. It was done, finished, a painting that needed the artist to step away. The prequels and the sequels can only do harm. However, side stories that exist elsewhere and elsewhen can tell their own contained stories. R1 and Solo exist somewhere in the middle ground for me, each being enough of a side story to take it or leave it, although connected to the main story in an unobtrusive way (well, I hope Solo is unobtrusive). Basically, I'd rather see Disney make another Ewok Adventure instead of another The Force Awakens/The Last Jedi.


You know, I was not big on Episode 1. Episode II I used to think was okay (other than the whinging scenes), and I kind of like Episode III. However, I saw them as an adult and my opinions were affected by that.

Watch Episodes 1-2 with kids, and the movies are entirely different. My 6 and 8 year old were spell bound by them. All the bits that grated they absolutely loved. I had to fast forward through the Tusken Raider massacre, but my kids were still teary eyed by Shimi Skywalker's death. Pod racing was AMAZING. R2 was spell binding, and 3PO made them laugh. My son laughed at all of the cornball battledroid lines and antics...

At some level, Star Wars is a 1930s-1950s radio or movie serial. That is what it is intended to be in many respects (well, not the TFA and TLJ so much). Watching Episode I and II again with kids made me realize that Lucas wasn't crazy and I've heard the same thing from other parents who have watched them with their kids. They have the over the top adventure with goofy side kick and now with added kid involvement (Dick Tracy and Junior Tracy, Captain Midnight and Chuck, Terry and the Pirates, Batman and Robin, Superman and Jimmy Olsen...). Jar-Jar might make an adult groan, but kids think he's hilarious and cheer for him.


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Post by: LunarSol


 Yodhrin wrote:

I really do wish they had just skipped right to the new story stuff. No new "episode" films, or hell just do one solitary direct Sequel where you wrap things up with Old Man Luke and Senator Organa and Deadbeat Dad Han etc while setting up the New Republic era, then get right on with something different - no Apple iStormtroopers vs Store Brand Rebellion, just get out there and show us the galaxy. Or with something safe but fun, like Solo, or an Obi Wan film, or give us side-stories set during the GCW where we see Rebel plebs rather than the Big Damn Heroes, or we get to spend time with the thugs and scum.


Living in the middle of something is very different from experiencing it once complete. It's easy to forget that there were 6 years in which audiences didn't have the end to the original Star Wars trilogy. We're basically living in that now. I see a lot of similar reactions from people reading Doomsday Clock. People who ready the original Watchmen issue by issue have a different view of it than people that only picked up the collected graphic novel once it was complete.


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Post by: KTG17


 Manchu wrote:
Even in movies I really don't like, there are moments I like - Krennic visiting Vader in his Mustafarian castle in R1


That is interesting, and the only flaw I saw in the movie. Vader was not the second in command to decide who would run the Death Star. In a New Hope he answered to Tarkin. No doubt a powerful guy, but even he was talked back to by other Imperial Officers (referencing the choke scene here). There is nothing to say that Tarkin, who's position was a military one, didn't have peers managing other projects or groups. Vader was like a Commissar, making sure the Emperor's work got done. Later on he seems to rise to the position of a high rank, but even in the cut film of Return of the Jedi, the guy running the second Death Star (forgot his name) keeps Vader out of the Emperor's quarters when Vader demanded to see him. So Vader is not even a real 'second in command' in the original Trilogy, and that scene is more like fan service to me. Looks cool, I agree. But doesn't seem to match the canon.

Kylo Ren telling Rey to face facts about her parents in TLJ.


I agree with this too, as well as the force connection convos. Thought those were the few cool things in the movie.


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Post by: Manchu


R1's depiction Vader seems spot on to me. He's clearly outside of the military hierarchy proper in ANH and yet the supreme commander of a huge fleet in ESB - although he does kill some people to make that clear. In R1, he seems mothballed and sees an opportunity to launch a power play vis-a-vis the Death Star security breach. That's (the) one thing I really liked about R1.

I wonder if the Solo movie will also clarify or shed light on some early Empire politics.


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Post by: KTG17


There is no reason to not assume he wouldn't have been tasked by the emperor to crush the rebellion at Hoth and pursue the rebels/Skywalker. But he is not a general, admiral, or anything else of that title, so therefore out of the military hierarchy.

The loss of Tarkin could have moved Vader up, sure, and being a trusted follower of the emperor be given special tasks from time to time. But to decide who was going to work or manage what project? I don't think that fits into the canon at all. How does he go from deciding Tarkin isnt going to be in charge to taking orders from him? Doesn't make any sense.

Imperial politics would be intriguing. So much is explained about the Empire in ANH than is stated in any other film. You understand there is a bureaucracy and how the Empire will be managed, so how resources are managed, taxes collected and all that. What TFA and TLJ dont really explain is how the First Order not only just pops up out of nowhere from the remains of the Empire, but where it gets its money to buy all those wonderful toys. Starkiller Base is going to cost some serious cash to build!


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Post by: LunarSol


Of all the throwbacks to the original, I really feel like the biggest mistake in TFA was putting Rey on a desert planet in the middle of nowhere. Had she been an orphan on a planet more akin to the one we are introduced to Cassian on that was occupied by the First Order; there would have been some fantastic options to establish the setting. Jakku just didn't give them anything to do with the villains after the village massacre scene.


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Post by: Manchu


I think Krennic just wanted Vader to get him in front of the Emperor. And Vader was willing to, under his own vague authority, order Krennic to track down the security breach. The tacit bargain seemed to be, Vader and Krennic will work together to sideline Tarkin.

With Solo, we have the opportunity to see some low-level Imperial politics. How do governors rule, for example?


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/16 20:20:54


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


That’s shown in Rebels


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Post by: Grey Templar


One thing I really really hate. Staggered release dates for different countries. I especially hate that everybody outside the US seems to get the new movies first.


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Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Maniac_nmt wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
For me, it has more need to exist than the mainline Star Wars sequels, and I hate the idea of a prequel explaining a character's backstory.

The original Star Wars trilogy was a complete story. It was done, finished, a painting that needed the artist to step away. The prequels and the sequels can only do harm. However, side stories that exist elsewhere and elsewhen can tell their own contained stories. R1 and Solo exist somewhere in the middle ground for me, each being enough of a side story to take it or leave it, although connected to the main story in an unobtrusive way (well, I hope Solo is unobtrusive). Basically, I'd rather see Disney make another Ewok Adventure instead of another The Force Awakens/The Last Jedi.


You know, I was not big on Episode 1. Episode II I used to think was okay (other than the whinging scenes), and I kind of like Episode III. However, I saw them as an adult and my opinions were affected by that.

Watch Episodes 1-2 with kids, and the movies are entirely different. My 6 and 8 year old were spell bound by them. All the bits that grated they absolutely loved. I had to fast forward through the Tusken Raider massacre, but my kids were still teary eyed by Shimi Skywalker's death. Pod racing was AMAZING. R2 was spell binding, and 3PO made them laugh. My son laughed at all of the cornball battledroid lines and antics...

At some level, Star Wars is a 1930s-1950s radio or movie serial. That is what it is intended to be in many respects (well, not the TFA and TLJ so much). Watching Episode I and II again with kids made me realize that Lucas wasn't crazy and I've heard the same thing from other parents who have watched them with their kids. They have the over the top adventure with goofy side kick and now with added kid involvement (Dick Tracy and Junior Tracy, Captain Midnight and Chuck, Terry and the Pirates, Batman and Robin, Superman and Jimmy Olsen...). Jar-Jar might make an adult groan, but kids think he's hilarious and cheer for him.


Okay, so Star Wars should aim to be Minions. At least the money will be good.



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Post by: KTG17


 Manchu wrote:
I think Krennic just wanted Vader to get him in front of the Emperor. And Vader was willing to, under his own vague authority, order Krennic to track down the security breach. The tacit bargain seemed to be, Vader and Krennic will work together to sideline Tarkin.


https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/george-lucas-and-the-cult-of-darth-vader-20050602

He's so overwhelming in that first film, but you get to the point where you say, "Wait a minute, if he's so powerful, why doesn't he run the universe?" He even gets pushed around by the governors! They know the Emperor is the final word, so what happens is the same thing that happens in any corporation: Everybody worries about the top man, they don't worry about his goon. And by the time the Death Star is finished, it gives them the sense that they have a bigger, better suit than Darth Vader. In a standoff between the Death Star and Darth Vader, they have no question about who would win, and it's not this mumbo-jumbo Sith guy. So it's even more tragic, because he's not even an all-powerful bad guy, he's kind of a flunky.


You are suggesting that Vader would have the authority to order someone reporting to Tarkin to do something other than what Tarkin was ordering him to do, while Tarkin was taking his orders directly from the Emperor, which Vader wouldn't do. Vader wouldn't go against the Emperor's decisions. At least not at that time.

The scene just allows fans to drool over Vader in his tank and act like a boss. I'm pretty sure Vader could have cared less about the construction of the Death Star and essentially says just that by knocking it, so Krennic going to him also seems silly.



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Post by: Manchu


If Darth Vader gives you an order, that is pretty good cover to go do whatever that thing is. If Tarkin wants to countermand an order given by Vader, that's not a simple question because Tarkin may be in charge, during the plot of ANH, on the Death Star but Vader has his own authority and so, at the very least, Tarkin is going to have to settle this by going to the Emperor, if he wants to make a direct conflict out of it. More likely, Tarkin would not want to bother the Emperor with this kind of petty feuding so he would find some other way - but, in the meantime, Krennic has the opportunity to close the loop on the security breach and he and Vader can then present the issue to the Emperor as their accomplishment.

Vader cares about the Death Star because he understand this is how the Emperor plans to get rid of the Senate. If it works, Vader will have basically nothing to do and will be totally sidelined from power while men like Tarkin take over. This is probably why Vader is so contemptuous of the Death Star in the briefing scene in ANH. Vader represents a different path to power for the Emperor, which the Emperor ultimately has to go with, at least until the Second Death Star is ready. And by that point, the Emepror is relying on Vader to make sure DS2 is complete on time.


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Post by: sirlynchmob


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh for heavens sake.

Other than 'a film I didn't enjoy got good reviews' there's not a shred of evidence that Disney are bribing critics.

Please, just stop with such baseless nonsense.


ya it's hard to make a case for bribing critics when they only gave the film a 70% on RT as opposed to the 91% TLJ got. If even the critics are starting to say how bad this movie is, it might end up being the first start wars movie I don't see in a theater.


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Post by: Thargrim


Hopefully after this one and JJ abrams closing of the trilogy they will take a step back and rethink what they're doing with Star Wars. I don't think it's in the right hands, the fact that lord and miller were even allowed to start working on a SW movie in the first place doesn't bode well.

It sounds like RH managed to cobble together a competent/okay adventure of a movie. But it's not like he had the time or resources to make it much more than that.

I haven't been to the theaters since Annihilation came out so I could probably...possibly motivate myself to see this one.


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Post by: Lance845


Also, if movie studios are bribing critics there would be a lot more rich critics.

It's insane to think they would bother to pay anyone.


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Post by: Ctaylor


Disney doesn't bribe critics. But they have been caught trying to strongarm papers that give them negative coverage.

Disney is more stick, less carrot.


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Post by: AndrewGPaul


 ingtaer wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh for heavens sake.

Other than 'a film I didn't enjoy got good reviews' there's not a shred of evidence that Disney are bribing critics.

Please, just stop with such baseless nonsense.


Presuming that was directed at me, well my thoughts are that critics are paid for their job. They get advanced viewings based upon their reviews. if they say this was gak they wont get asked back, so they skirt the edges or don't rock the boat in order to have the ability to review films in the future. It is pretty obvious and basic business. I am not going to discount the film but would like to know the credentials of the people reviewing the film. if they are unbiased, established fans I am more likely to trust their opinion. As you MDG referred to to people who didn't like TLJ as edgelords for not liking the film, regardless of why they didn't like it, your opinion carries no weight at all.


On the other hand, Mark Kermode's bad reviews of the Pirates of the Caribbean films are legendary, and he still managed to review all the Marvel and Star Wars movies since then, so I don't think Disney are being vindictive like that.


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Post by: Yodhrin


sirlynchmob wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh for heavens sake.

Other than 'a film I didn't enjoy got good reviews' there's not a shred of evidence that Disney are bribing critics.

Please, just stop with such baseless nonsense.


ya it's hard to make a case for bribing critics when they only gave the film a 70% on RT as opposed to the 91% TLJ got. If even the critics are starting to say how bad this movie is, it might end up being the first start wars movie I don't see in a theater.


You and I have very different definitions of "bad". 70% says "good not great" to me, not "bad", and after I apply my standard "critics are jaded cynics who place too much importance on form and novelty" filter, I expect Solo to satisfy on a similar level to Rogue One, for me anyway.


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Post by: Lance845


 AndrewGPaul wrote:
 ingtaer wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh for heavens sake.

Other than 'a film I didn't enjoy got good reviews' there's not a shred of evidence that Disney are bribing critics.

Please, just stop with such baseless nonsense.


Presuming that was directed at me, well my thoughts are that critics are paid for their job. They get advanced viewings based upon their reviews. if they say this was gak they wont get asked back, so they skirt the edges or don't rock the boat in order to have the ability to review films in the future. It is pretty obvious and basic business. I am not going to discount the film but would like to know the credentials of the people reviewing the film. if they are unbiased, established fans I am more likely to trust their opinion. As you MDG referred to to people who didn't like TLJ as edgelords for not liking the film, regardless of why they didn't like it, your opinion carries no weight at all.


On the other hand, Mark Kermode's bad reviews of the Pirates of the Caribbean films are legendary, and he still managed to review all the Marvel and Star Wars movies since then, so I don't think Disney are being vindictive like that.


Also, why in the hell would you trust a review from FANS over anyone else? Fans are the most biased people in the world. They either suck it's dick because they like everything about their fandom or they get super pissy because it's not what thy thought it should have been. Rare is the fan who can objectively rate the things they enjoy.


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Post by: AndrewGPaul


I don't trust review scores, no matter who they're from. I read / listen to the review and make my mind up based on the arguments in the review and also based on how I agree with the reviewer.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/17 12:27:36


Post by: Kilkrazy


Surprisingly my daughter has asked if we can go as a family to see Solo. My wife also likes the idea.

Neither can be described as hardcore SW fans. Nor am I, really, though I like the films well enough and have seen all of III to VII in the cinema as God intended.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/17 12:28:14


Post by: sirlynchmob


 Yodhrin wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh for heavens sake.

Other than 'a film I didn't enjoy got good reviews' there's not a shred of evidence that Disney are bribing critics.

Please, just stop with such baseless nonsense.


ya it's hard to make a case for bribing critics when they only gave the film a 70% on RT as opposed to the 91% TLJ got. If even the critics are starting to say how bad this movie is, it might end up being the first start wars movie I don't see in a theater.


You and I have very different definitions of "bad". 70% says "good not great" to me, not "bad", and after I apply my standard "critics are jaded cynics who place too much importance on form and novelty" filter, I expect Solo to satisfy on a similar level to Rogue One, for me anyway.


I should have added in this bit: 'Average Rating: 6.4/10'

when it comes to ratings it's rare to see anyone rate any movie under a 5, so for me the scale is really just 5-10, and with it being this low the critics are saying it's as bad as the phantom menace. In my day a graded 70% is a D-, if it drops to 69% it will be a F. For a "blockbuster" movie that follows infinity war, and Deadpool 2, that's bad, really bad.

I liked rogue one, I didn't like firefly, and solo seems more like a firefly episode than a star wars movie. In fact the plot of solo is the plot of a firefly episode. It's a space western, so let's rob a train. A space train? no, just a regular train on some random planet. it's been done before, and it's never been done well. As firefly was bad enough to die after it's only season, I just can't see solo being good. That said though, I have this urge to see it, because it says 'star wars' and 'solo' but I just won't pay that kind of money to risk not being entertained, then insulted by the people who made the movie for not liking it. so unless this movie gets glowing reviews from the fans, I'm just going to have to pass on this one and wait for it to show up on netflix.



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Post by: Kilkrazy


The ratigs of Solo I have seen in the UK have been 7-8.

However I agree with the idea that SW TLJ is intended to be a blockbuster, and Solo is more of a side story.


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Post by: BobtheInquisitor


At the very least, Solo should provide some background material to mull over when the plot isn't moving. As bad as the prequels were, there was always something in the background that expanded the lore or scale of the setting, even if it was kind of silly. TFA and TLJ both seem to take place in tiny little bubbles separate from the greater setting that starve the imagination.


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Post by: Manchu


Yes, the Prequels gave us Clone Troopers for which I am grateful.


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Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but I really enjoyed the implications of industrial cloning, as well as the ginormous droid factories churning out trillions of droids nonstop.


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Post by: AegisGrimm


My wife is exited and says she hopes Solo is more Rogue One than TFA. I wholeheartedly hope so.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Going to go see it on Thursday after work. I’m excited, but not excited, if that makes sense?

Hoping we get a different tone to Rogue One and the sequels, if only because variety is the spice of life, and what Star Wars is gonna need with a film coming out every year.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/23 13:32:52


Post by: Yodhrin


Looks like someone managed to winkle a bit more detail out of Ron Howard as to why he was brought in to right the ship; Lord and Miller were apparently basically trying to turn the Kasdan script into "Guardians of the Galaxy, vol. Star Wars". Howard has apparently decided to "evoke the spirit of the original trilogy"(and, one assumes, stick closer to the script) in his radical reshooting.

Given which, I am *extremely* glad they got rid of Lord and Miller. Kennedy, though, really does seem to have no idea what she's doing when it comes to picking directors and curating a huge multi-film franchise like this, given they've had to come in and rework two out of the four films she's overseen and a third has proved extremely contentious and divisive(and not in an "any press is good press" kinda way). And what makes it weird is it's not like she's incapable of picking decent directors with some basic understanding of what it is they're being asked to work on, but only it seems as replacements for her first choices.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/23 13:43:20


Post by: gorgon


sirlynchmob wrote:
I should have added in this bit: 'Average Rating: 6.4/10'

when it comes to ratings it's rare to see anyone rate any movie under a 5, so for me the scale is really just 5-10, and with it being this low the critics are saying it's as bad as the phantom menace. In my day a graded 70% is a D-, if it drops to 69% it will be a F. For a "blockbuster" movie that follows infinity war, and Deadpool 2, that's bad, really bad.


Those are some really interesting gyrations there to get to the conclusion you want to see.



Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/23 19:54:43


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Is it bad though?

This is the first Star Wars film since Return of the Jedi (because I was 3) that I’ve nof booked for a midnight viewing. A chunk of the decision there is limited holiday, and its released on a Wednesday (well. Thursday really), which eats into limited holiday allowance.

The other is I’m not quite as enthused as I was for the previous 6 films - but I’m still seeing it on the day of release.

Why am I not as enthused? Put simply, the origin of Han Solo just doesn’t intrigue me as much as delving into the main saga in ever more detail - or how the Death Star plans we’re yoinked in the first place (because that’s an important canonical tale)

This is the third disposable Star Wars story - the third film that’s unlikely to contain nuggets of FanBoy information. The other two are the Straight To TV Ewok movies - films I still enjoy to this day.

It’s not a reflection of any particular fear of the film’s ultimate quality - just that for the first time in a long time (technically 35 years, properly 19 years) that there’s a Star Wars film in the offing that I genuinely feel I don’t need to see to better appreciate the wider narrative.

Like Rogue One, it’s had a troubled birth. And like Rogue One, I’m open to the chance it may become my very favourite of all the films (seriously. That space battle. What a difference a proper budget, piloted by enthusiastic nerds makes!).

But I’m also open to the equal chance I’ll see it and feel ‘well, that was a waste of time’, precisely because I’m not expecting it to add to the wider narrative.

If it does, it does. If it doesn’t, I just hope the film is enjoyable enough as a stand alone adventure.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/23 20:55:16


Post by: Yodhrin


I mean, the whole point of these anthology movies is supposed to be that they're not tied as heavily into the main saga narrative.

As for the main saga, it depends what's meant by that. I see it as the story of the Skywalkers and their legacy, and frankly for me nine films is more than enough of that(they could have stopped at the original three, really). The broader Rise of the Empire-through-Galactic Civil War time period, however, that I could stand to watch stories in pretty much indefinitely, which is why I'm actually quite looking forward to Solo.

Then again, I always consider the setting itself to be the "main character" of a big thing like Star Wars, so providing they hit the right tone, set them in the right eras(RotE/GCW and Tales of the Jedi/KotOR, essentially, though more Clone Wars material could be interesting if done right, and you never know Ep9 onwards might redeem the Sequel era), and don't put out total gak stories I'll keep watching until they stop making them.

Basically, I want from a Star Wars megafranchise exactly what I'm getting at present from the MCU - plenty of "pretty good" films in a setting I like with occasional standouts, and as little self-regarding po-faced deconstructionist gloomy-doom as possible.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/23 21:39:16


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Main Saga - Episodes I - IX.

Literally everything else (animated series, Rogue One, Solo, books, games) isn’t main saga.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags @ 2018/05/23 22:23:54


Post by: LordofHats


 gorgon wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
I should have added in this bit: 'Average Rating: 6.4/10'

when it comes to ratings it's rare to see anyone rate any movie under a 5, so for me the scale is really just 5-10, and with it being this low the critics are saying it's as bad as the phantom menace. In my day a graded 70% is a D-, if it drops to 69% it will be a F. For a "blockbuster" movie that follows infinity war, and Deadpool 2, that's bad, really bad.


Those are some really interesting gyrations there to get to the conclusion you want to see.



It's not actually. This is a long observed effect in ratings sometimes called the 4 Point Zone due to the tendency of anything that isn't truly awful to fall somewhere between 6-9. Game Informer, a video game magazine, actually openly acknowledges its existence in their rating guide.


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Post by: trexmeyer


There is no conceivable way that it is as bad as TPM or AOTC. Not based on the leaks I've read.


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Post by: BobtheInquisitor


What if "twelve parsecs" relates to the shortest path through the space squid's digestive tract?

We've all heard the Sarlacc burp in ROTJ; now prepare to top that experience!


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Post by: Manchu


 trexmeyer wrote:
There is no conceivable way that it is as bad as TPM or AOTC.
"Hold my bottle of green alien milk."


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Post by: Riquende


Seeing this tonight @ 7pm ish. I'm hoping for a solid 7/10 (for the record I would give R1 an 8, TFA a 5 or maybe 6 and TLJ a 2).

The main issue I think is whether Ehrenreich (sp?) can do an acceptable Han. One way the Trek reboots were ruined for me by Chris Pine's tediously smug Kirk (which is a shame as Quinto was spot on and Urban was a strong effort). He doesn't need to nail an impression, he doesn't need to reinvent the character, he just needs to not be a jarring presence that takes me out of the film continuously as my brain keeps telling me "that's not Han".


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Post by: GoatboyBeta


Just got back from seeing Solo. In spite of my initial misgivings about the whole project I really enjoyed the film. Its a solid adventure set in the SW universe with a lot of fun blink and you will miss them call outs to some old lore. I'd actually be up for a sequel


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Post by: Galef


GoatboyBeta wrote:
Just got back from seeing Solo. In spite of my initial misgivings about the whole project I really enjoyed the film. Its a solid adventure set in the SW universe with a lot of fun blink and you will miss them call outs to some old lore. I'd actually be up for a sequel

Most important question for this movie: Does Boba Fett have a cameo?

-


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Post by: GoatboyBeta


 Galef wrote:
GoatboyBeta wrote:
Just got back from seeing Solo. In spite of my initial misgivings about the whole project I really enjoyed the film. Its a solid adventure set in the SW universe with a lot of fun blink and you will miss them call outs to some old lore. I'd actually be up for a sequel

Most important question for this movie: Does Boba Fett have a cameo?

-



There are quick references to planets and people(and one old PlayStation game ) from the EU but no Boba Fett. The closest thing is a suit of Mandalorian armour on a display rack in the background of a scene.


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Post by: flamingkillamajig


GoatboyBeta wrote:
Just got back from seeing Solo. In spite of my initial misgivings about the whole project I really enjoyed the film. Its a solid adventure set in the SW universe with a lot of fun blink and you will miss them call outs to some old lore. I'd actually be up for a sequel


I'm actually one of the people willing to give the Star Wars stories a chance. After 'Rogue One' i think they can make decent movies as long as they don't have to deal with mary sue jedi and ripping off the old franchise. The new trilogy is still going to be garbage. I'm rather curious about the obi wan story though. From what i saw it looked like they're going with 'the trials of jesus in the desert' sorta path which is actually kinda cool for what it is. I honestly wouldn't have thought you can make a story about a space wizard in the middle of nowhere interesting but maybe you can.

This is only one review though so when i go to the theaters myself i will have a good idea.


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Post by: Manchu


 flamingkillamajig wrote:
one of the people willing to give the Star Wars stories a chance
One of a many millions, surely?