These images were posted in a Discord server I frequent, not sure what the original source is. Looks like the earlier rumor of a Necron/AdMech box was true!

2 knight armigers

this is a big bit of news, given this is the first boxed set sans marines

Looks interesting. Good to see gw taking a risk on a box without marines. (why does 40k always get the leaks? What about the fishmongers?)
I assume this will be a mini campaign like the deathwatch Eldar box.

As probably expected the Necron side of things comes out to roughly 500 points. The AdMech side comes out to 195 points before factoring in the two Armigers, which means that the Armigers are give or take 150 points each.

Certainly would be interesting if it's the updated rules like in the codex upcoming so if pics of unit rules pop up prior that could give a good idea.

So the Admech vs Necron rumour was right... someone remember other things the guy that leaked that said? This gives him credibility.

Cryptek with Canoptek cloak...maybe wargear options finally for crypteks.

Interesting to note this includes a "40-page Forgebane rulebook" in addition to the 8th edition rules. It's possible this is a Betrayal at Calth/Horus Heresy style board game in addition to being a good starter box for 40k.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
As probably expected the Necron side of things comes out to roughly 500 points. The AdMech side comes out to 195 points before factoring in the two Armigers, which means that the Armigers are give or take 150 points each.

I'm wondering how expensive(pointswise) the Armigers are going to be. I guess it depends on what weapon loadout they get in the box compared to their non-boxed game counterparts. 150 would be great if one is setup to have "crowd control" and the other anti-heavy weaponry. but I guess we'll have to wait to found out (hopefully not too long).

The 40 pages Forgebane book will contain rule for wargear and (might be unique) unit in the box. Just like every other "army clash" boxes they have been releasing for years.

I've always wanted admech stuff, and I got a bunch of Necrons from a buddy not too long ago...

Well, that's another slush fund account opened.

After all these years where the only Necron I ever owned was the free metal one from White Dwarf....

 Arachnofiend wrote:
As probably expected the Necron side of things comes out to roughly 500 points. The AdMech side comes out to 195 points before factoring in the two Armigers, which means that the Armigers are give or take 150 points each.

Or not. Points being even have rarely been GW's prime priority in these boxes. Doubly so if this has non-40k rules ala calth with it's own rules in which case they might be balanced in THOSE rules and 40k point inequality to the hell.

When? How? I can't actually make out the contents.

Is it:

Cryptek
5 Immortals
5 Necron Shield Dudes
3 Wraithfaces
Mechanicus Leader Dude
10 Skitarii
2 Baby Knights

???

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
When? How? I can't actually make out the contents.

Is it:

Cryptek
5 Immortals
5 Necron Shield Dudes
3 Wraithfaces
Mechanicus Leader Dude
10 Skitarii
2 Baby Knights

???

Yeah that’s the contents. And then the rules sheet, box specific booklet etc.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
When? How? I can't actually make out the contents.

Is it:

Cryptek
5 Immortals
5 Necron Shield Dudes
3 Wraithfaces
Mechanicus Leader Dude
10 Skitarii
2 Baby Knights

???

This Box Contains:
1 Necron Cryptek with Canoptek Cloak
5 Necron Immortals
5 Necron Lychguard
3 Necron Canoptek Wraiths
10 Adeptus Mechanicus Skitarii Rangers
1 Adeptus Mechanicus Tech-Priest Dominus
2 Imperial Knight Armiger Warglaives
40-page Forgebane rulebook
Fold-out Warhammer 40,000 Core Rules sheet
1x Imperial Knight Armigers decal sheet
1x Skitarii decal sheet
1x Necrons decal sheet

Expertly designed plastic Citadel Miniatures. Assembly and painting required. Scenery not included.

This is what I can read on the back of the box.

This is on the Will Buy For Sure List. Nice work yet again, GW.

This is fantastic.

I've also been on the edge of Admech, and It can never hurt to have more Necron models... Right???

 Manchu wrote:
This is on the Will Buy For Sure List. Nice work yet again, GW.

As a non-Marine box release, it also keeps me hopes of a Sanctuary 101 box set alive.


Additionally, what are the red figures and the grid sheet shown in the top left of the second photograph?

alphaecho wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
This is on the Will Buy For Sure List. Nice work yet again, GW.

As a non-Marine box release, it also keeps me hopes of a Sanctuary 101 box set alive.


Additionally, what are the red figures and the grid sheet shown in the top left of the second photograph?

Shadespire starter box

 Galas wrote:
So the Admech vs Necron rumour was right... someone remember other things the guy that leaked that said? This gives him credibility.

The thread is in the B&C AM section http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343659-ad-mech-vs-necrons-box-in-march/ Mostly more Knights A 2nd small knight that's possibly a variation on the Armiger frame. As well as two new larger knights the Castellan and the Valiant. Currently unknown if the larger Knights are a new frame or variants on the existing kit.

So hyped for this gonna get at least two boxes to add to the pile of shame I wonder if the lack of Necron warriors is an indicator of anything? Could there be a new kit on the horizon or did they just not fit with the box?

alphaecho wrote:


Additionally, what are the red figures and the grid sheet shown in the top left of the second photograph?

Shadespire

It seems indeed the narrative will follow Cawl and his attempt to recreate Cadian Pylons to stop the Chaos energies flooding the Materium, and the subsequent Necron retaliation...
Great !

Looks awesome. I’ll probably pick it up, always liked Necrons and AdMech, and have some of each.

I take it that's just the Arcane Ruins or whatever they're called from Fantasy painted black?

Is this the first w40k campaing box that does not include space marines?

Have we changed to another timeline and haven't I noticed?

So it looks like these pics came from the Australian toy fair which is running today. (Gw is listed as an exhibitor on their website) With more reveals promised at gama next week it makes you wonder how much stuff they are doing this year.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I take it that's just the Arcane Ruins or whatever they're called from Fantasy painted black?

It looks like it, yeah. But that's still awesome on the narrative side of things !

Depending on the price, may pick up two while I'm at it. Hoping for €125,- which is about the norm for these sort of boxed games.

 BrookM wrote:
Depending on the price, may pick up two while I'm at it. Hoping for €125,- which is about the norm for these sort of boxed games.

Man I remember when this campaing boxes used to cost 100€... just 3 years ago!

Now, I'll say, comparing the size, I'm glad the mini-knights arminger look like they are slighly taller, but still in Dreadnought size or near it. I was fearing something like a Redemptor Dreadnought, but the size they have here is the perfect size for me. I'll take 1 just to plug-in into mi imperium force.

They come on small sprues as well, so a Dreadnought sized box sounds about right. I just hope that the decals included have the same options as those on the bigger sheets.

 BrookM wrote:
Depending on the price, may pick up two while I'm at it. Hoping for €125,- which is about the norm for these sort of boxed games.

At that price it would be sweet! So of course this comes with Lychguard and Immortals, both of which I recently bought a box of... typical.

Do we think the Lychguard could be rebuilt as Triarch Praetorians? And I suppose the Immortals as Deathmarks? I want to start an Imperial Knights army and my Necrons need lots of new tasty treats, but I definitely don't need Lychguard, so it might swing it for me

The fact that it has two really seals the deal. When they first previewed the baby knight I instantly thought I would want 2 to act as "not-Warhounds" for my trio of Knights (in the way you'd have 2 Warhounds to scout for a Reaver Titan Battlegroup).

This has 2, so that's perfect. Plus you get the new Cryptek mini.

The "I hate having duplicates" person in me doesn't like the idea of getting a third Tech-Priest Dominus, but I'm sure I can kitbash thins one like crazy and make something for Necromunda.

Scarey Nerd wrote:
Do we think the Lychguard could be rebuilt as Triarch Praetorians? And I suppose the Immortals as Deathmarks? I want to start an Imperial Knights army and my Necrons need lots of new tasty treats, but I definitely don't need Lychguard, so it might swing it for me

They're just the regular kits, so yes, you can build the normal options. One of the pictures even shows the Deathmarks in the instructions.

The Dominus kit is limited in option, but I've only got one right now myself, so at least the second one can have the pope hat and whatever pistol option I didn't use last time around.

Though if I go for two boxes.. maybe it's time to see how well it converts.

I will definitely be getting one box. The fact it has two Knights sealed. I was kinda hoping for two Onager Dunecrawlers, but I will definitely take two Knights!

A small force of Necrons is worth it too.

Give those knights 30k rules and I get 2 boxes. If not I'll pass.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Galas wrote:
So the Admech vs Necron rumour was right... someone remember other things the guy that leaked that said? This gives him credibility.

The thread is in the B&C AM section http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343659-ad-mech-vs-necrons-box-in-march/ Mostly more Knights A 2nd small knight that's possibly a variation on the Armiger frame. As well as two new larger knights the Castellan and the Valiant. Currently unknown if the larger Knights are a new frame or variants on the existing kit.

So hyped for this gonna get at least two boxes to add to the pile of shame I wonder if the lack of Necron warriors is an indicator of anything? Could there be a new kit on the horizon or did they just not fit with the box?

Two other knights on top of the confirmed smaller variants would be awesome. You just know FW will be doing upgrade kits/versions of all 4 at some point so I'm going to resist getting too many at launch.

Just need to find somebody who wants the Necron half of two boxes who is reasonably local to me.

Hmmmm... shame this is AdMech instead of the (also) rumoured Sisters vs. Necrons boxset. But... as the two forces can also be used in Shadow War: Armageddon, I think I'll be picking up a copy.

I'll definitely be getting this, it'll be interesting to see the price of it.

Very cool, I need a couple of those new baby knights and have always wanted some crons.

Yep, keen. Interested to see the price down this way (about $300 I guess).

Glad to see the rumour came true. My interest in it very much depends on the cost however. I'd probably sell the AdMech stuff. Do we have any estimate of the price point?

€125,- or your local equivalent of the starter box price is usually the norm for these.

Scarey Nerd wrote:
Do we think the Lychguard could be rebuilt as Triarch Praetorians? And I suppose the Immortals as Deathmarks? I want to start an Imperial Knights army and my Necrons need lots of new tasty treats, but I definitely don't need Lychguard, so it might swing it for me

The image directly references deathmarks and immortals, with a picture of building both.

Aiming that the pricing makes sense, this seems like a no brainer to me. I can use all those models, for kit bashing or otherwise.

Man I hope we don’t have to wait long for the Amirger’s to be released separately.

The two Armigers are both armed with the same melta primary weapon. Seems to indicate thats all they get, if so, that's dissapointing.
That being said i'm still pretty hyped for this

Looking at the sprues of the new Knight, fixed legs again.. ugh.

I will leave this here ...

Also disappointing that the cog pattern on the shoulders is moulded on, pity.

what's more disappointing is that so far both armigers look identical ... to be the point it questions whether the kit will bring more

Looks like set weapons. Not even a single extra ranged option.

Two different carapace Weapons seems to be the lot.

Here’s hoping we’ll see further Armiger sized.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Two different carapace Weapons seems to be the lot.

Here’s hoping we’ll see further Armiger sized.

<cue 900 resin-armed FW variants>

I like Necrons and AdMech, but not so keen on Knights; will have to see how it compares value wise with an AdMech starter box...

Looks like the weapons are on a separate sprue so we could see other options later - like with the 'bigger' Knights.

BrianDavion wrote:
this is a big bit of news, given this is the first boxed set sans marines

Probably why the marine appears to be looking at the box with derision.

 Sasori wrote:
This is fantastic.

I've also been on the edge of Admech, and It can never hurt to have more Necron models... Right???

Major selling point is that it does not come with Warriors. I have plenty of warriors and get painting fatigue from so many identical models...

plus it looks like I can have deathmarks!

BrianDavion wrote:
this is a big bit of news, given this is the first boxed set sans marines

What about the orks vs wolfwolf one?

It would definitely be a shame from a knight army standpoint if armigers only have an anti-vehicle build, but shouldn't be too much of a problem if using them as a light superheavy for an admech force.

I dunno. I see Armigers as my answer to Transport Spam?

 aracersss wrote:
I will leave this here ...

Well hell. That's nifty. I'll have to keep this box in mind.

I'm happy to see a boxed set with no power armour but personally I'm not interested in Necrons or Admech so I'll be giving this a miss.

RoboCops vs Terminators. Noice.

I imagine these Armigers will come with a single choice but the kit will have extra options, like the Bloat Drone in Dark Imperium.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
RoboCops vs Terminators. Noice.

Complete with ED-209's!

phillv85 wrote:
I imagine these Armigers will come with a single choice but the kit will have extra options, like the Bloat Drone in Dark Imperium.

You would imagine wrong. These items would be the full kit as what would be sold rather than an easy build variant.

So... for those of us who have both Necron and AdMech, but have no interest in extra existing models...

How many months will I have to wait until I can buy the Cryptek and Armigers without having to also pay for a bunch of units I'll never use?

Ugh, this box does not help me fight the urge to start building a necron-army.

2 of these boxes would make an excellent starter for Necrons...

 Kriswall wrote:
So... for those of us who have both Necron and AdMech, but have no interest in extra existing models...

How many months will I have to wait until I can buy the Cryptek and Armigers without having to also pay for a bunch of units I'll never use?

If the box set discount is decent, I have no issue accruing a few sprues of spare immortals, Lychguard wraiths and domini.

Official GW announcement: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/05/forgebane-coming-soongw-homepage-post-1/








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These guys will fit into your Lord of War slot neatly, and make both the perfect accompaniment to an Imperial Knight you already own and a powerful option in their own right for any Imperium army. They’re ideal for filling a Super-heavy Detachment – this duo and one of our standard Imperial Knights isn’t just a powerful force on the battlefield, but also nets your army three Command Points.

Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff-

I'm all over this box. Looking forward to pricing and release date.

"Knight Armiger Warglaives " implies to me that there'll be other types of Knights Armiger.

I agree with the Cryptek: "I'll take three please."

The old minis in the box come to about £110 seperately . So the box will probably cost £100.
“the set will cost you less than getting everything inside separately, and that’s BEFORE you count the new Cryptek and Imperial Knight units.”

This all sounds amazing. I'm so happy to see a box without space marines in it. Will definitely split one with my AdMech friend.

Two LOW choices in a Starter set is interesting... virtually begging buyers to get a Knight next for the Superheavy Detachment, as per the WHC write-up.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Two LOW choices in a Starter set is interesting... virtually begging buyers to get a Knight next for the Superheavy Detachment, as per the WHC write-up.

Which kinda makes sense as one of the biggest complaints I've heard from most people owning a single Knight is they don't want to buy a bunch more Knights to field the Superheavy Detachment.

This would let you field a SHD without needing to run 3x Knights and the points investiture that would entail.

Also I like this art:

Over the last few months I’ve been trying to decide if I wanted to start a new Necron or Ad Mech army.....decision made.....

 Kanluwen wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Two LOW choices in a Starter set is interesting... virtually begging buyers to get a Knight next for the Superheavy Detachment, as per the WHC write-up.

Which kinda makes sense as one of the biggest complaints I've heard from most people owning a single Knight is they don't want to buy a bunch more Knights to field the Superheavy Detachment.

This would let you field a SHD without needing to run 3x Knights and the points investiture that would entail.

Also I like this art:

Assuming the Armigers are Lords of War. My guess, based on the size, would be Heavy Support.

Lords of Wars according to the Community article.

Having them as LoW's is a good call from GW actually.

1) Adds flexibility to pure Knight Armies.

2) Allows players who only owns a single Knight to make a full LoW-detatchment if they include 2 Armigers as well.

Well, I guess that's my Adepticon purchase sorted for this year. May grab two and see if my cousins want Necrons...

I'm glad GW released something new for AdMech, but I just don't like the Armiger models at all. Maybe if I saw different angles of them.

 Kriswall wrote:

Assuming the Armigers are Lords of War. My guess, based on the size, would be Heavy Support.

Warhammer Community wrote:These guys will fit into your Lord of War slot neatly, and make both the perfect accompaniment to an Imperial Knight you already own and a powerful option in their own right for any Imperium army. They’re ideal for filling a Super-heavy Detachment – this duo and one of our standard Imperial Knights isn’t just a powerful force on the battlefield, but also nets your army three Command Points.

No assuming on that part.

Any guesses if this is a quick splash release or will be around longer term?

 Kriswall wrote:
So... for those of us who have both Necron and AdMech, but have no interest in extra existing models...

How many months will I have to wait until I can buy the Cryptek and Armigers without having to also pay for a bunch of units I'll never use?

About as long as it takes you to notice ebay resellers.

 zedmeister wrote:
Any guesses if this is a quick splash release or will be around longer term?

Can basically guarantee that it will be a splash release.


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 Ketara wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
So... for those of us who have both Necron and AdMech, but have no interest in extra existing models...

How many months will I have to wait until I can buy the Cryptek and Armigers without having to also pay for a bunch of units I'll never use?

About as long as it takes you to notice ebay resellers.

Speaking as an AdMech guy with almost 100 Skitarii and 3-4 Techpriest Dominus...I don't view those as "a bunch of units I'll never use". Dominus at least have variant options that open up some usage for those of us who don't magnetize itty bitty things--same with the Skitarii.

I can't say on the Necrons though.

I think this is an unexpected and very cool box. The biggest shame is that Armigers are single-weapon options. That's really weak for a brand new kit. I do imagine there are additional "versions" planned for the future, but that kind of nonsense bugs me. Just sell a full and proper kit.

If they end up with a bunch of options, I could see a fun Dark Mechanicus "Light cavalry" Armiger force lead by a Knight or two.

 Elbows wrote:
I think this is an unexpected and very cool box. The biggest shame is that Armigers are single-weapon options. That's really weak for a brand new kit. I do imagine there are additional "versions" planned for the future, but that kind of nonsense bugs me. Just sell a full and proper kit.

If they end up with a bunch of options, I could see a fun Dark Mechanicus "Light cavalry" Armiger force lead by a Knight or two.

I get the feeling that all the stuff for the Armiger variant is going to be on a sprue/set of sprues that will make it so there's not really anything wasted.

Armiger is the chassis designation and Warglaive is the variant name. So hopefully, we'll see Armiger variants in the future other than the current, judging from the melta weaponry up top, vehicle / MC hunter game beater we've got now

Chikout wrote:
The old minis in the box come to about £110 seperately . So the box will probably cost £100.
“the set will cost you less than getting everything inside separately, and that’s BEFORE you count the new Cryptek and Imperial Knight units.”

This right here is the real important takeaway from this announcement.

This settles it, then.
I've been making preparations here and there but I'm officially taking the plunge on the Mechanicus army with this box set. And also my Necrons are getting some reinforcements (of models that I actually want).

Can't wait for this one.

Aw, can’t use Armiger in ‘no lord of war allow’ tournament.

Cryptek With one eye? Is there alternate head for Cryptek?

Solidcrash wrote:
Aw, can’t use Armiger in ‘no lord of war allow’ tournament.

Cryptek With one eye? Is there alternate head for Cryptek?

"Official" Crypteks have always been one-eyed

Yeah, crypteks were always cyclopean.

 BrookM wrote:
Armiger is the chassis designation and Warglaive is the variant name. So hopefully, we'll see Armiger variants in the future other than the current, judging from the melta weaponry up top, vehicle / MC hunter game beater we've got now

At the very least, it has multiple carapace weapons:

One on the left has a Heavy Phosphor Blaster or some kind of Heavy Stubber while the one on the right has the Melta.

I really, really want to see a better picture of the sprue breakdown.

TheDraconicLord wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
Aw, can’t use Armiger in ‘no lord of war allow’ tournament.

Cryptek With one eye? Is there alternate head for Cryptek?

"Official" Crypteks have always been one-eyed

Spoiler:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yeah, crypteks were always cyclopean.

I brought Necron in 4th edition, and I haven’t brought anything.. It’s my first time to ‘look’ at Modern Necron since!

Solidcrash wrote:

TheDraconicLord wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
Aw, can’t use Armiger in ‘no lord of war allow’ tournament.

Cryptek With one eye? Is there alternate head for Cryptek?

"Official" Crypteks have always been one-eyed

Spoiler:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yeah, crypteks were always cyclopean.

I brought Necron in 4th edition, and I haven’t brought anything.. It’s my first time to ‘look’ at Modern Necron since!

Well, crypteks were only introduced in 5th ed
Note that only deathmarks and crypteks have the single eye. Every other necron still has 2 eyes, or 3 if you count praetorians.
Why, I don't know. Looks cool though.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Well, crypteks were only introduced in 5th ed
Note that only deathmarks and crypteks have the single eye. Every other necron still has 2 eyes, or 3 if you count praetorians.
Why, I don't know. Looks cool though.

Just to help keep them visually distinct I imagine. Crypteks were basically them taking the "magic" abilities that lords used to have and making a dedicated unit that specialized in that, while leaving lords/overlords as the more combat-oriented HQ choice.

Agreed on looking cool. I think Deathmarks in particular look really sinister.

As far as the Armigers go, with previous similar box sets it seems like the load-out has been set by the background of the unit taking part in the actual battle. Is it possible that the Armigers actually do come with other weapon options and that the thermal lance is mentioned specifically as that is the weapons used during the actual fluff battle?

I wonder if the different heads on the Armigers represent some kind of wargear option or are purely cosmetic.
Also, they look a lot like scaled-down Warhounds (except I never saw Warhounds with melee weapons back in the day).

Finally, because I don't have the index to hand, are lychguard currently able to take two swords? I see that one is kitted out with that option but don't remember it being legal ... unless it is an option that will appear in the new codex (and presumably in the boxed set datasheets). Maybe I just missed it (I have no lychguard models but field some Pariahs as Warscyth lychguard from time to time)

Mark.

It's meant to be an enhanced optic. The average Necron Lord isn't a big fan of modifying the general form of his body, but Deathmarks were explicitly given the fancy enhanced vision due to their role, and presumably it caught on in the scientist caste soon after.

Cheeslord wrote:
I wonder if the different heads on the Armigers represent some kind of wargear option or are purely cosmetic.Mark.

None of the variant heads for the other knights have any special rules. I doubt these do, either.

Only interested in two models from the box- the Knight Armigers. Probably buy one box and part out the contents. Or do I wait until GW pushes out a Knight Armiger box set with more weapon options? I'd ultimately like to get four of them so I can do a Super Heavy Detachment with a Knight Titan. The weapons on the Armigers though...! A Melta Cannon (Bleh!), big chain sword and what looks like a Heavy Stubber? GImmie a mini Turbo Laser or Avenger Bolt Cannon please!

How long before we get the the 40K rules for the Armigers I wonder?

The box set looks cool, and over at the Warhammer Community page, they said it's a huge discount over what it would cost for the Admech and Necrons separately, and not including the Armigers! Excellent marketing there, Gee Dub! I foresee many new Admech and Necron armies in the near future, especially when the Necron codex is on the way.

 Kanluwen wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
I imagine these Armigers will come with a single choice but the kit will have extra options, like the Bloat Drone in Dark Imperium.

You would imagine wrong. These items would be the full kit as what would be sold rather than an easy build variant.

It could be an Imperial Knight: Renegade situation. That is, the box does not include all the sprues that will come in the separate box.

So look like the "ancient evil" tease for WD April is this box.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
I imagine these Armigers will come with a single choice but the kit will have extra options, like the Bloat Drone in Dark Imperium.

You would imagine wrong. These items would be the full kit as what would be sold rather than an easy build variant.

It could be an Imperial Knight: Renegade situation. That is, the box does not include all the sprues that will come in the separate box.

Imperial Knight: Renegade came with all the sprues--the caveat was that it was two different Knight boxes.

There's the Knight Paladin/Errant box which is the original Imperial Knight box at $140USD. The Knight Warden/Gallant/Crusader is $157USD and has the other sprue.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
I imagine these Armigers will come with a single choice but the kit will have extra options, like the Bloat Drone in Dark Imperium.

You would imagine wrong. These items would be the full kit as what would be sold rather than an easy build variant.

It could be an Imperial Knight: Renegade situation. That is, the box does not include all the sprues that will come in the separate box.

With Renegade though, one upgrade sprue is technically enough for two Knights when it comes to carapace mounts and the newer weapon options.

Bah, as if I don't have enough things on the grey mountain...

I suspect the individually-packed Armiger kit will include a sprue of different weapons and thus be a reason to buy the $60 box for it rather than just buying up lots of Forgebane boxes. The box price is just a guess based on Dreadnought-sized models mind you, I don't have any insider information. Still, an effective marketing ploy as if people aren't fussed about the weapon options they have a "cheap" way of getting them, but it also drives sales for the 3rd entry if there's 4 weapons on it to mix/match with the Forgebane ones.

Now, back to waiting for the release to hit...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Armiger is the chassis designation and Warglaive is the variant name. So hopefully, we'll see Armiger variants in the future other than the current, judging from the melta weaponry up top, vehicle / MC hunter game beater we've got now

At the very least, it has multiple carapace weapons:

One on the left has a Heavy Phosphor Blaster or some kind of Heavy Stubber while the one on the right has the Melta.

I really, really want to see a better picture of the sprue breakdown.

The article mentions a Thermal Spear. So that is either the name of the arm Meltagun or it is a weapon option that replaces the Chainsword.

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say €50,- to €65,- for the Armiger on its own.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The article mentions a Thermal Spear. So that is either the name of the arm Meltagun or it is a weapon option that replaces the Chainsword.

If it came with more arm options, they'd build one of the two with it for sure, but as is, what you see is all that you get.

 Krinsath wrote:
Bah, as if I don't have enough things on the grey mountain...

I suspect the individually-packed Armiger kit will include a sprue of different weapons and thus be a reason to buy the $60 box for it rather than just buying up lots of Forgebane boxes. The box price is just a guess based on Dreadnought-sized models mind you, I don't have any insider information. Still, an effective marketing ploy as if people aren't fussed about the weapon options they have a "cheap" way of getting them, but it also drives sales for the 3rd entry if there's 4 weapons on it to mix/match with the Forgebane ones.

Now, back to waiting for the release to hit...

If I'm going to be honest, that's a bit of a leap. They never cut sprues out of boxes just to make one version 'less cost effective' than another.

And before someone says "Renegades!" again--no. They billed it as a Knight Warden and a Knight Errant/Paladin.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
Bah, as if I don't have enough things on the grey mountain...

I suspect the individually-packed Armiger kit will include a sprue of different weapons and thus be a reason to buy the $60 box for it rather than just buying up lots of Forgebane boxes. The box price is just a guess based on Dreadnought-sized models mind you, I don't have any insider information. Still, an effective marketing ploy as if people aren't fussed about the weapon options they have a "cheap" way of getting them, but it also drives sales for the 3rd entry if there's 4 weapons on it to mix/match with the Forgebane ones.

Now, back to waiting for the release to hit...

If I'm going to be honest, that's a bit of a leap. They never cut sprues out of boxes just to make one version 'less cost effective' than another.

And before someone says "Renegades!" again--no. They billed it as a Knight Warden and a Knight Errant/Paladin.

Looking at the sprues, it looks like the two weapon arms are on a sprue by themselves with the shoulder pads. I could easily a future small knight kit that just replaces that with a different set of shoulders and weapons.

Hopefully a chaos datasheet will come out for these babyknights, I might be interested depending on their speed. Two of those flanking a Kytan might be fun if their melee weapons are good enough or they get some stomp attacks. Might also be the push to get me an actual Knight.

Great looking boxed set. I would consider getting this even though I don't play Ad Mech or Necrons, the models just look that good.

It looks like the box comes with standard 8th edition rules. So no Betrayal at Calth special scenarios.

Demerean wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
Bah, as if I don't have enough things on the grey mountain...

I suspect the individually-packed Armiger kit will include a sprue of different weapons and thus be a reason to buy the $60 box for it rather than just buying up lots of Forgebane boxes. The box price is just a guess based on Dreadnought-sized models mind you, I don't have any insider information. Still, an effective marketing ploy as if people aren't fussed about the weapon options they have a "cheap" way of getting them, but it also drives sales for the 3rd entry if there's 4 weapons on it to mix/match with the Forgebane ones.

Now, back to waiting for the release to hit...

If I'm going to be honest, that's a bit of a leap. They never cut sprues out of boxes just to make one version 'less cost effective' than another.

And before someone says "Renegades!" again--no. They billed it as a Knight Warden and a Knight Errant/Paladin.

Looking at the sprues, it looks like the two weapon arms are on a sprue by themselves with the shoulder pads. I could easily a future small knight kit that just replaces that with a different set of shoulders and weapons.

That's kind of where I'm thinking it'll go; with enough different stuff to make them genuinely different kits.

I wonder if the instructions for them were made exclusively for the box or if they're going to come 2 to a box.

The real question now is "How do you make this set use all models for the same army? Skeletal Mechanicus or a Necron force with Ranger-like Warriors and bi-pedal Triarch stalkers?"

 andysonic1 wrote:
Hopefully a chaos datasheet will come out for these babyknights, I might be interested depending on their speed. Two of those flanking a Kytan might be fun if their melee weapons are good enough or they get some stomp attacks. Might also be the push to get me an actual Knight.

I've been speculating/hoping that when we get a "Knights" Codex it will include Chaos Knights in it as well. Wouldn't be hard to have it so that the keywords would affect Allies IMO.

Well, there goes any chance of me NOT buying more models right now. Don't really have much use for the AdMech stuff, but I actually need more Lychguard and Immortals, and I've been looking forward to the new Cryptek and Armigers.

 Galef wrote:
The real question now is "How do you make this set use all models for the same army? Skeletal Mechanicus or a Necron force with Ranger-like Warriors and bi-pedal Triarch stalkers?"

You just eBay or trade the side you're not using...super simple. In many cases you'll make back more than half of the box's cost just re-selling the stuff you're not using.

 Elbows wrote:

 Galef wrote:
The real question now is "How do you make this set use all models for the same army? Skeletal Mechanicus or a Necron force with Ranger-like Warriors and bi-pedal Triarch stalkers?"

You just eBay or trade the side you're not using...super simple. In many cases you'll make back more than half of the box's cost just re-selling the stuff you're not using.

Most likely what I may do. My son is interested in Necrons and the Lychgaurd box has so, so many possibilities. I could easily make them into 5 Wraiths and make the Wraiths into Spiders.
Like so: http://glennsgwmodels.blogspot.com/2015/03/necron-canoptek-units.html
We'll have to wait an see just how interested he is when this comes out.

-

Man this box is a home run for me, I wanted some more deathmarks, and some scytheguard, add in some bonus wraiths and the new cryptek, and it's like the read my mind.

I also have a knight and thought about starting an admech army, this box plus a knight plus a start collecting box and I'm off to the races.

 Grimgold wrote:
Man this box is a home run for me, I wanted some more deathmarks, and some scytheguard, add in some bonus wraiths and the new cryptek, and it's like the read my mind.

I also have a knight and thought about starting an admech army, this box plus a knight plus a start collecting box and I'm off to the races.

Seems like you're in an almost identical situation as I am.

I've been wanting a couple more shieldguard and deathmarks and liked the look of that new Cryptek. I don't need another 3 wraiths but I'm not unhappy to pick them up, either.

I've got a lone Imperial Knight and I've been planning (for ages now) to start an AM army...so the rest of the box contents all fit into what I wanted to be doing in the future, anyway. Looks like my Knight gets a couple of squires and my AM project is off to a start.

This is the first box set in a long time where I'm happy with literally every inclusion. I can't wait for this thing.

Yep. I need some shield guard and Gauss Immortals, and more Wraiths are always welcome. The fact that I've been wanting a way to field my two IK models is just icing on the cake!

 Galef wrote:
The real question now is "How do you make this set use all models for the same army? Skeletal Mechanicus or a Necron force with Ranger-like Warriors and bi-pedal Triarch stalkers?"

Same here, I have no use for admech - ranger and tech priest.. but I would conversion them into AM - tech priest engineer and guardman.

I wonder if there will be rules changes considering the necrons.
It wouldn't make sense for them to use the index rules if the codex is about to be released, and balance wise I don't see how the necrons can deal with 2 mini-knights without resorting to melee, which is a risky endeavor.

Sold.

changemod wrote:
It's meant to be an enhanced optic. The average Necron Lord isn't a big fan of modifying the general form of his body

Actually, current generic Necron Lord mini has the same 'third eye' thing as Deathmarks or 'teks:



[though yes, he seems to be exception compared to named guys].

That would appear to be an element of his headdress, or if it is an optic then it's not really the same thing as the crypteks and Deathmarks completely replacing their original eyes.

My friend wants to split the box and give me the necrons. I'm thinking, hold on, two knights, and some cool ad-mech, and I get the robo-bone cast-offs :(

Still I love this box. I'm not even into these two armies, but they look like fun to build and paint.

ritualnet wrote:
My friend wants to split the box and give me the necrons. I'm thinking, hold on, two knights, and some cool ad-mech, and I get the robo-bone cast-offs :(

Still I love this box. I'm not even into these two armies, but they look like fun to build and paint.

To be fair, looking at the Necron side of it:
5x Immortals/Deathmarks(your choice again)---$33 USD
5x Lychguard/Praetorians(your choice again)---$33 USD
3x Wraiths---$47 USD
The new Cryptek--???USD

$113USD before the new Cryptek(ballparking him at $30 or so)

AdMech:
10x Skitarii--$39 USD
Techpriest Dominus--$36 USD
Knight Armiger Warglaives---????USD

$75USD before the Armiger Warglaives, with both being available in SC: Skitarii along with an Onager($66USD) instead of the 2x Knight Armiger Warglaives.

I'm currently ballparking the Armiger at $65USD personally. It's big, but it's not huge. It'd be crazy for them to sell it for $100 or so since Knight-Wardens are $157.

Loving the Armiger knights. Just the right size and build for me to get into Questoris.

If you are gonna split this with a Necron player, the price should go something like 40/60, 40% for the Necron 60% for the Admech player. Or 50/50, because the Admech HQ and infantry is in a SC!, that lowers his value, but the Necron units are all different from the SC! box.

What i don´t get how something, what has less mass to it than a land raider (and is not that bigger than an dreadnought) can be a superheavy oO

Seito O wrote:
What i don´t get how something, what has less mass to it than a land raider (and is not that bigger than an dreadnought) can be a superheavy oO

Same here. I would have though Heavy Support. Still, cool model and you get 2!

I'm amazed how many people are downplaying the size of the new knight actually, it looks about as tall as a Dreadknight but bulkier. If it's "like a dreadnought" then it's a heavy dread like the leviathan at least, and those have just short of a superheavy threat capacity.

I guess Redemptors are underwhelming for their mass, but they're a bit of an outlier.

Seito O wrote:
What i don´t get how something, what has less mass to it than a land raider (and is not that bigger than an dreadnought) can be a superheavy oO

Because the army is full of Lords of War?

The Knights look sizeable enough, and of that lance they have packs a punch then I’m okay with the LoW classification. Comparable to Rowboat Gill-man I suppose.

Seito O wrote:
What i don´t get how something, what has less mass to it than a land raider (and is not that bigger than an dreadnought) can be a superheavy oO

Because there isn't a 'superheavy' designation anymore, and the LoW slot can be considered to be as much about rarity as size?

I'd like to see how the Warglaive's look in other houses colours(and shouldn't house Raven be fighting alongside Metallica not Mars?). Hopefully the full release will have more options for both the weapon loadout and cosmetic stuff like heads/helms.

So this is a backdoor alternative 8E starter set?

 Hammer of God minis wrote:
Over the last few months I’ve been trying to decide if I wanted to start a new Necron or Ad Mech army.....decision made.....

Both? :-)

Getting 1+ of these, minus Necrons.

Doesn't look like it. Appears to be another mini-game.

Chairman Aeon wrote:
So this is a backdoor alternative 8E starter set?

That would seem to be the case, yes. Rather than having a full rulebook in it like Dark Imperium does, it seems like it has cutdown rules that fit into the "Forgebane" booklet and the little cardboard screen.

Definitely gonna pick this up. I have some Crons and some AdMech that I’ve wanted to expand for a while.

Hmm realized skitarii vanguards are armed with rad carbines which are also usable in 30k. Assuming those rangers in this boxes are actually full ranger/Vanguard kit I COULD use those for starting mechanicum army for 30k giving reason to buy these. Sell necrons, have bunch of peltast phalanx guys for 30k and pair of mini-knights for home games(since I need to come up with rules not usable outside home games).

Temptation actually woke up.

tneva82 wrote:
Assuming those rangers in this boxes are actually full ranger/Vanguard kit I COULD use those for starting mechanicum army for 30k giving reason to buy these.

You seem to post this kind of commentary every time these big boxes/start collecting sets come out.
It's the full kit, they're not cheaping out or whatever silly theory of the week you want to have about how they're going to make the box a 'bad deal' for someone.

It's 10 Skitarii there. You can't build 10 Skitarii without all 3 sprues in the box. End of story.

He's not getting the box, not until they do 30k rules for the Armigers.

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Assuming those rangers in this boxes are actually full ranger/Vanguard kit I COULD use those for starting mechanicum army for 30k giving reason to buy these.

You seem to post this kind of commentary every time these big boxes/start collecting sets come out.
It's the full kit, they're not cheaping out or whatever silly theory of the week you want to have about how they're going to make the box a 'bad deal' for someone.

It's 10 Skitarii there. You can't build 10 Skitarii without all 3 sprues in the box. End of story.

Do we KNOW it's full kit though? People are already theorizing there's mini knight with more options. Oh and the dark imperium box kits were full kits right eh? Just because it's same unit doesn't quarantee it's full kit and not say snap fit quick versions.

In case you haven't heard it GW has released plenty of boxed sets before with models that are monopose AND separate full sets. I'm stunned how you have managed to miss those...Hell you can BUY SUCH BOXES EVEN NOW! It's even more common for boxes with good discounts(logical enough. Cheaper version of model=more room for good discount. Who would think of that? Use cheaper models to make cheaper box with plenty of models. What a novel concept!)

Maybe take a look outside your world once in a while and check what GW actually sell once in a while? You have managed to miss tons of boxes in past years clearly.

Seeing there's not been official word to one way or other that I have seen I wait for official word before investing one euro. Sure beats trusting your word for it.

 BrookM wrote:
He's not getting the box, not until they do 30k rules for the Armigers.

Well, in that case I'm sure FW will get right on it.


Sometime in the mid-2020s.

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Assuming those rangers in this boxes are actually full ranger/Vanguard kit I COULD use those for starting mechanicum army for 30k giving reason to buy these.

You seem to post this kind of commentary every time these big boxes/start collecting sets come out.
It's the full kit, they're not cheaping out or whatever silly theory of the week you want to have about how they're going to make the box a 'bad deal' for someone.

It's 10 Skitarii there. You can't build 10 Skitarii without all 3 sprues in the box. End of story.

Do we KNOW it's full kit though? People are already theorizing there's mini knight with more options. Oh and the dark imperium box kits were full kits right eh? Just because it's same unit doesn't quarantee it's full kit and not say snap fit quick versions.

In case you haven't heard it GW has released plenty of boxed sets before with models that are monopose AND separate full sets. I'm stunned how you have managed to miss those...Hell you can BUY SUCH BOXES EVEN NOW! It's even more common for boxes with good discounts(logical enough. Cheaper version of model=more room for good discount. Who would think of that? Use cheaper models to make cheaper box with plenty of models. What a novel concept!)

Maybe take a look outside your world once in a while and check what GW actually sell once in a while? You have managed to miss tons of boxes in past years clearly.

Seeing there's not been official word to one way or other that I have seen I wait for official word before investing one euro. Sure beats trusting your word for it.

Lets take a look at box sets, Death Masque, full kits other than the HQ choices. Deathstorm, much the same. Stormclaw also the same. Blightwar, also the same.

Dark Imperium and its smaller sets have the easy to build because they are ment to be an intro to the game for new people, as well as a 'cheap' way for existing players to start up. The above sets, and this newest set, seem to be a way to get people to expand collections and get new models. With a secondary bonus of being able to perhaps get new players to join in that want an army that isnt Marines.

Additionally, since the instructions show specifically the Deathmarks as well as the Immortals, it would be foolish to think one side gets all their options, while the other does not.

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Assuming those rangers in this boxes are actually full ranger/Vanguard kit I COULD use those for starting mechanicum army for 30k giving reason to buy these.

You seem to post this kind of commentary every time these big boxes/start collecting sets come out.
It's the full kit, they're not cheaping out or whatever silly theory of the week you want to have about how they're going to make the box a 'bad deal' for someone.

It's 10 Skitarii there. You can't build 10 Skitarii without all 3 sprues in the box. End of story.

Do we KNOW it's full kit though? People are already theorizing there's mini knight with more options.

Yeah, and those people are basing it off the Renegade boxed game--which outright stated it included a Knight-Warden and a Knight Paladin/Errant. People just seemed to not know that there are two different Knight boxes available; one with the Warden sprue(costing $157USD) and one without(this is old stock still being sold at $140--the original Knight pricepoint).

Oh and the dark imperium box kits were full kits right eh? Just because it's same unit doesn't quarantee it's full kit and not say snap fit quick versions.

Dark Imperium is a starter product, not rebadged existing stock. It's also worth mentioning that you could have looked up at the OP and seen the sprue shots.

In case you haven't heard it GW has released plenty of boxed sets before with models that are monopose AND separate full sets. I'm stunned how you have managed to miss those...Hell you can BUY SUCH BOXES EVEN NOW! It's even more common for boxes with good discounts(logical enough. Cheaper version of model=more room for good discount. Who would think of that? Use cheaper models to make cheaper box with plenty of models. What a novel concept!)

In the case of Dark Imperium and other starter products, they have always made it clear that those are "easy to build variants" with limited loadouts fairly early on. It's also kind of telling that you have to reach for the starter product as an example. Like it's never been established that the edition's starter sets have what are effectively 'easy build' variants in them these days?

Maybe take a look outside your world once in a while and check what GW actually sell once in a while? You have managed to miss tons of boxes in past years clearly.

Stormclaw, Deathstorm, Death Masque, and Blight War would all like you to pay attention to them.

Because that's what this box is. It's a 'variant' starter set with no special game/whatever attached to it, just repacking existing product with new product.

Seeing there's not been official word to one way or other that I have seen I wait for official word before investing one euro. Sure beats trusting your word for it.

Sure, okay. You just go on and do that. You can go ask them on Facebook and get an official answer.

Dollars to donuts, it's going to be "These are all full kits"--same as it is every time someone gets in a tizzy over a Start Collecting or discounted set. The only real time, lately, that this has been an exception to the rule has been the Vanguard Start Collecting set and the Blight War set--both contain sets of 5 Hunters rather than 10 the boxed set contains.

This is, surprisingly enough, a Good Thing since they come in unit max sizes of 15 but get sold in boxes of 10.

We know for a fact that the Immortals are the full kit, because there was a photo with the instruction booklet showing how to build the tesla/deathmark variants. It'd be weird for just the Immortals to be the genuine article.

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Assuming those rangers in this boxes are actually full ranger/Vanguard kit I COULD use those for starting mechanicum army for 30k giving reason to buy these.

You seem to post this kind of commentary every time these big boxes/start collecting sets come out.
It's the full kit, they're not cheaping out or whatever silly theory of the week you want to have about how they're going to make the box a 'bad deal' for someone.

It's 10 Skitarii there. You can't build 10 Skitarii without all 3 sprues in the box. End of story.

Do we KNOW it's full kit though? People are already theorizing there's mini knight with more options. Oh and the dark imperium box kits were full kits right eh? Just because it's same unit doesn't quarantee it's full kit and not say snap fit quick versions.

In case you haven't heard it GW has released plenty of boxed sets before with models that are monopose AND separate full sets. I'm stunned how you have managed to miss those...Hell you can BUY SUCH BOXES EVEN NOW! It's even more common for boxes with good discounts(logical enough. Cheaper version of model=more room for good discount. Who would think of that? Use cheaper models to make cheaper box with plenty of models. What a novel concept!)

Maybe take a look outside your world once in a while and check what GW actually sell once in a while? You have managed to miss tons of boxes in past years clearly.

Seeing there's not been official word to one way or other that I have seen I wait for official word before investing one euro. Sure beats trusting your word for it.

Basic logic, why machine brand new expensive moulds for a limited 1 time run box set, or instead include old excess stock. Do you really think they'll recut 4 existing kits just for this 1 box for a splash release?

Now that we have a clear photo of the knight sprue, whose size we know, we can figure out exactly how tall the legs are, and with that how tall the model is.

 axisofentropy wrote:
Now that we have a clear photo of the knight sprue, whose size we know, we can figure out exactly how tall the legs are, and with that how tall the model is.

Not without some kind of realistic reference for the instructions or something like that

I'm ballparking a 60mm base for the model though. Compare the promo photos GW put out with the Skitarii Ranger and Transauranic Arquebus to the base; they look roughly equivalent in terms of length and that fits with a 60mm.

tneva82 wrote:
Do we KNOW it's full kit though? People are already theorizing there's mini knight with more options. Oh and the dark imperium box kits were full kits right eh? Just because it's same unit doesn't quarantee it's full kit and not say snap fit quick versions.

*slaps tneva82*

Do you know the price it would cost GW to remake the Skitarii and other Necron forces as 'push fit/simple' minis for a single boxed set? Plus, dude, learn your frickin' history. This isn't the first campaign box they've put out and ---every single one of them--- has come with the regular kits included.

Push-fit models are for the starter boxes. This is not a starter box.

 Kanluwen wrote:


Dollars to donuts, it's going to be "These are all full kits"--same as it is every time someone gets in a tizzy over a Start Collecting or discounted set. The only real time, lately, that this has been an exception to the rule has been the Vanguard Start Collecting set and the Blight War set--both contain sets of 5 Hunters rather than 10 the boxed set contains.

This is, surprisingly enough, a Good Thing since they come in unit max sizes of 15 but get sold in boxes of 10.

It may be worth mentioning that Start Collecting kits have been known to skip a sprue. Off the top of my head SC Khorne Bloodbound only has 3 Skullcrushers (6 in the solo kit) and SC Slaves to Darkness only has 5 Chaos Knights and 12 Chaos Warriors (10 and 16 in their respective kits). That said, having one less sprue than the stand-alone kit is a far cry from being a mono-pose or easy-build kit.

Yessss, this is a campaign boxed set, they need to do loads more of these, as I am quite a sucker for the booklets that come with these detailing a short linked campaign to play through. We're always in need of more data to mine when it comes to scenarios.

I wonder if the mini-knights are meant to be taken in pairs?

as it does seem a bit odd to have two in the box, might explain the slightly unexpected LoW slot

 EnTyme wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


Dollars to donuts, it's going to be "These are all full kits"--same as it is every time someone gets in a tizzy over a Start Collecting or discounted set. The only real time, lately, that this has been an exception to the rule has been the Vanguard Start Collecting set and the Blight War set--both contain sets of 5 Hunters rather than 10 the boxed set contains.

This is, surprisingly enough, a Good Thing since they come in unit max sizes of 15 but get sold in boxes of 10.

It may be worth mentioning that Start Collecting kits have skip a sprue. Off the top of my head SC Khorne Bloodbound only has 3 Skullcrushers (6 in the solo kit) and SC Slaves to Darkness only has 5 Chaos Knights and 12 Chaos Warriors (10 and 16 in their respective kits). That said, having one less sprue than the stand-alone kit is a far cry from being a mono-pose or easy-build kit.

Worth mentioning that Skullcrushers used to be 3 to a box, Knights used to be 5 to a box, and the sprues for Warriors allowed for those weird numbers(they came 4 bodies to a sprue, with the capes separate).
The Hunters are, while half the content, still the same kits. They come 3 and 2 to their sprues so it's not like you're getting less content. Same goes for the Gryph-Hounds(sold in boxes of 6; come 3 to the SC--no parts missing) in the Start Collecting: Vanguard set as well.


So yeah, while they sometimes leave off some of the models--you're never not given the parts to make a specific variation unless it is something like the Knight Renegade set where it literally was two separate products that had a missing sprue. And even then, Knight Renegade has basically been the only time they did that in recent memory.


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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I wonder if the mini-knights are meant to be taken in pairs?

as it does seem a bit odd to have two in the box, might explain the slightly unexpected LoW slot

I'm kind of starting to lean towards them being two in a box since the bases don't look to be larger than 60mm. I've been toying around a bit with my Arquebus Rangers in comparison to base sizes and perspective and that's the size that seems to fit.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I wonder if the mini-knights are meant to be taken in pairs?

as it does seem a bit odd to have two in the box, might explain the slightly unexpected LoW slot

The article mentions that you could take a regular Knight alongside two of these for a super-heavy detachment to meet minimal requirements (3-5 per detachment), but fielding these in "squadrons" would be neat indeed.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Do we KNOW it's full kit though? People are already theorizing there's mini knight with more options. Oh and the dark imperium box kits were full kits right eh? Just because it's same unit doesn't quarantee it's full kit and not say snap fit quick versions.

*slaps tneva82*

Do you know the price it would cost GW to remake the Skitarii and other Necron forces as 'push fit/simple' minis for a single boxed set? Plus, dude, learn your frickin' history. This isn't the first campaign box they've put out and ---every single one of them--- has come with the regular kits included.

Push-fit models are for the starter boxes. This is not a starter box.

Not to mention that you can see the sprues, and they do not look like push fits.

 BrookM wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I wonder if the mini-knights are meant to be taken in pairs?

as it does seem a bit odd to have two in the box, might explain the slightly unexpected LoW slot

The article mentions that you could take a regular Knight alongside two of these for a super-heavy detachment to meet minimal requirements (3-5 per detachment), but fielding these in "squadrons" would be neat indeed.

I was just thinking of them being boxed more like the Carnifex Brood but man, them being fielded in squadrons would be kinda neat...if annoying for FOC purposes.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I wonder if the mini-knights are meant to be taken in pairs?

as it does seem a bit odd to have two in the box, might explain the slightly unexpected LoW slot

The article mentions that you could take a regular Knight alongside two of these for a super-heavy detachment to meet minimal requirements (3-5 per detachment), but fielding these in "squadrons" would be neat indeed.

I was just thinking of them being boxed more like the Carnifex Brood but man, them being fielded in squadrons would be kinda neat...if annoying for FOC purposes.

It would be a great(ish) way to cram more models into your list, just like with other squadrons and whatnot, set up together, split upon starting the game.

Though it remains to be seen just how expensive these models will be, power / points wise, Knights and most vehicles out there aren't the cheapest, so these would have to be really cheapo, or have you play in really big games, to truly field a bunch of them.

Would be fun though, fielding a single Knight accompanied by a massive swarm of the little guys ranging ahead like beagles.


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I do hope that the top-mounted peashooters are optional, as I kinda want to run these with banners on their carapaces, proclaiming who they belong to and all that.

The proportions of the base the Armigers are on looks more like an 80 or 100mm base rather than a "60mm" base.

"Neva go full tneva82, neva"

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The proportions of the base the Armigers are on looks more like an 80 or 100mm base rather than a "60mm" base.

Yeah, looks about twice the span of HQ models with their 40 mm base, so 80 mm would be my guess, too.

 Kanluwen wrote:
So yeah, while they sometimes leave off some of the models--you're never not given the parts to make a specific variation

Unless the army in question is Deathwatch - then you're given the models/bits, but in deliberate middle finger, not the rules, so you can't field them. Thanks, Kelly

the sprue is 8.25 inches wide, which means the Knight leg is about 3" from hip to ankle. That means the Knight is around 7" tall total. I think the base is probably 120mm.

Both HQ models are on 50mm bases

 axisofentropy wrote:
the sprue is 8.25 inches wide, which means the Knight leg is about 3" from hip to ankle. That means the Knight is around 7" tall total. I think the base is probably 120mm.

Honestly, the issue I have with that is that seemingly everything was photographed together...and 120mm doesn't fit for it based upon the size of the Arquebi guy. That's a 60x35mm base and going off the picture, it seems like it would fit the proportions correctly.

You can also go off this picture and compare it to a Munitorum Armoured Cargo Container:

The MACC is around 4 and a half inches long and 2 and a half inches tall--it really puts the thing in perspective when you look at it back with the Electropriests and the like.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
and shouldn't house Raven be fighting alongside Metallica not Mars?

Sadly that forgeworld was eaten by Hive Fleet Some Kind of Monster.

Looks like the 100mm round base for the armiger. Going from there, it should be about as tall as the ironstrider, though a much bulkier upper half.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
and shouldn't house Raven be fighting alongside Metallica not Mars?

Sadly that forgeworld was eaten by Hive Fleet Some Kind of Monster.

did they kill 'em all or ride the lightning or ...and justice for all?

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
and shouldn't house Raven be fighting alongside Metallica not Mars?

Sadly that forgeworld was eaten by Hive Fleet Some Kind of Monster.

when was that? latest I can find is nurgle invaded and house raven saved em

Official word regarding the kits (which was never in doubt)

Like there was any chance they wouldn't...

Pretty sure others will have clocked it, but the weapons for the Armiger appear to be a separate sprue?

Chikout wrote:
Official word regarding the kits (which was never in doubt)

Well that dampens my enthusiasm for the Armiger Warglaive's a bit if they only have one build. Although I suppose there is a small chance that was in ref to the infantry kits.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Official word regarding the kits (which was never in doubt)

Well that dampens my enthusiasm for the Armiger Warglaive's a bit if they only have one build. Although I suppose there is a small chance that was in ref to the infantry kits.

You mean the quote specifically naming Praetorians, Lychguard and Immortals might have been in reference to the infantry kits?

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Official word regarding the kits (which was never in doubt)

Well that dampens my enthusiasm for the Armiger Warglaive's a bit if they only have one build. Although I suppose there is a small chance that was in ref to the infantry kits.

My theory is there'll be an option for the carapace weapon, possibly for the melee weapon but they made a point of mentioning its name in the Community post so possibly not. I think main gun options will be in other, very similar kits, in much the same way as you can buy a Knight Paladin and it only has the RFBC. Makes sense by the IK build convention that each pattern is defined by its main weapon. Just a guess though

Scarey Nerd wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Official word regarding the kits (which was never in doubt)

Well that dampens my enthusiasm for the Armiger Warglaive's a bit if they only have one build. Although I suppose there is a small chance that was in ref to the infantry kits.

My theory is there'll be an option for the carapace weapon, possibly for the melee weapon but they made a point of mentioning its name in the Community post so possibly not. I think main gun options will be in other, very similar kits, in much the same way as you can buy a Knight Paladin and it only has the RFBC. Makes sense by the IK build convention that each pattern is defined by its main weapon. Just a guess though

makes sense, they've been called warglaive so maybe these will be mono build and later individual kit will have other options.

As someone who just got back into the hobby with some Necrons, this pleases me.

Yes, it's most likely a mono build. GW will want to sell more Knight kits to the suckers that bought the box.

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Assuming those rangers in this boxes are actually full ranger/Vanguard kit I COULD use those for starting mechanicum army for 30k giving reason to buy these.

You seem to post this kind of commentary every time these big boxes/start collecting sets come out.
It's the full kit, they're not cheaping out or whatever silly theory of the week you want to have about how they're going to make the box a 'bad deal' for someone.

It's 10 Skitarii there. You can't build 10 Skitarii without all 3 sprues in the box. End of story.

Do we KNOW it's full kit though? People are already theorizing there's mini knight with more options. Oh and the dark imperium box kits were full kits right eh? Just because it's same unit doesn't quarantee it's full kit and not say snap fit quick versions.

In case you haven't heard it GW has released plenty of boxed sets before with models that are monopose AND separate full sets. I'm stunned how you have managed to miss those...Hell you can BUY SUCH BOXES EVEN NOW! It's even more common for boxes with good discounts(logical enough. Cheaper version of model=more room for good discount. Who would think of that? Use cheaper models to make cheaper box with plenty of models. What a novel concept!)

Maybe take a look outside your world once in a while and check what GW actually sell once in a while? You have managed to miss tons of boxes in past years clearly.

Seeing there's not been official word to one way or other that I have seen I wait for official word before investing one euro. Sure beats trusting your word for it.

Here's the thing though.

The snapfits ALWAYS released before the full model kit.

The idea you're trying to convey here doesn't work. Mould tooling and it's Ilk is incredibly expensive thing to do. GW has absolutely zero need to make snapfits of the models in the box, why would they throw away money making snapfit versions of old models that barely sell anyway (necrons).

Oh also the images in the leak show the instruction manual that clearly shows that the immortals can be assembled as Deathmarks, in addition to this, that page is immediately opposite the final assembly page of the Armiger and the Armiger sprues are clearly visible (you can see part of its leg assembly).

Khenir wrote:
The snapfits ALWAYS released before the full model kit.

The idea you're trying to convey here doesn't work. Mould tooling and it's Ilk is incredibly expensive thing to do. GW has absolutely zero need to make snapfits of the models in the box, why would they throw away money making snapfit versions of old models that barely sell anyway (necrons).

Oh also the images in the leak show the instruction manual that clearly shows that the immortals can be assembled as Deathmarks, in addition to this, that page is immediately opposite the final assembly page of the Armiger and the Armiger sprues are clearly visible (you can see part of its leg assembly).

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Etb-Primaris-Redemptor-Dreadnought-2017

You were saying?

Now while odds were good and now confirmed only fool would claim there's 0% chance it's not simplified kit. GW has had history of doing non-full kits on boxed sets, non-full kits have appeared after full kit and top of that GW has been doing stuff never done before anyway. Like this whole box in the first place. If you would go route of "GW has never done that so never will" this whole box wouldn't be coming as this is literally first box set they have made that DOESN'T include marines.

That's why only fool would commit money before being sure box actually has anything of use. If the box would have had no vanquards there would be literally zero use for any models for me. Short of trying to sell them to cut losses I would have no other sensible option but to throw them to garbage. That's why only sensible solution was to wait for official word before commiting money. I'm not rich enough I can throw hundreds of euro's to garbage just for fun of it.

tneva82 wrote:

That's why only fool would commit money before being sure box actually has anything of use. If the box would have had no vanquards there would be literally zero use for any models for me. Short of trying to sell them to cut losses I would have no other sensible option but to throw them to garbage. That's why only sensible solution was to wait for official word before commiting money. I'm not rich enough I can throw hundreds of euro's to garbage just for fun of it.

The hatred for GW is so strong that people paranoid about GW went out of their way making new mold just to spite them. You mad customer?

I'm sorry but GW love money and they don't care about your feeling.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
.. shouldn't house Raven be fighting alongside Metallica not Mars?

Yah, I was going to post something like this yesterday too. It’s Wierd that they don’t put house Taranis knights up with Mars. I’ve got Taranis knights and a Mars force, so it kinda grinds my gears every time..

Messiah wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
.. shouldn't house Raven be fighting alongside Metallica not Mars?

Yah, I was going to post something like this yesterday too. It’s Wierd that they don’t put house Taranis knights up with Mars. I’ve got Taranis knights and a Mars force, so it kinda grinds my gears every time..

I think it's simply a matter of their house armies.

In an effort to get the thread onto something new, had anyone noticed that the box contents on the back of the leaked picture show 2 Imperial Knight Armiger Warglaives but only 1 Imperial Knights Armigers decal sheet?

I can't see a reason why they would include just one sheet for two models unless there's enough stuff on one sheet or if the plan would eventually be to sell these in a box of two.

Thoughts?

While I'm highly doubtful that the Armiger in the new box is simplified or push fit, I can totally see GW having a separate weapons sprue that isn't included in the new box and that will be released later on when the Armiger is released as a standalone model. As others have mentioned in the thread, GW did pretty much this with the existing Knight kit, were they added in a sprue to enable you to build the new variants.

Having just one main gun option seems wrong, why would GW make a new large model that had only one gun? I'd expect to see at least one more main gun when the codex drops.

I really hope the Forgebane Booklet will include a good part of fluff. I want to know if the Imperium really get a chance to push back the warp storms for real...

 NobledukeofGork wrote:
In an effort to get the thread onto something new, had anyone noticed that the box contents on the back of the leaked picture show 2 Imperial Knight Armiger Warglaives but only 1 Imperial Knights Armigers decal sheet?

I can't see a reason why they would include just one sheet for two models unless there's enough stuff on one sheet or if the plan would eventually be to sell these in a box of two.

Thoughts?

My thought is that the decal sheet has enough decals for two Knight Armigers on one sheet. I don't think you can draw any further conclusion than that. After all, the A4 sheet for the Imperial Knight has enough decals for more than one Knight (albeit only one Knight of any given House), as do the decal sheets for most vehicle kits.

As for the issue of the base size, I was going by the ratio of base height to diameter in the photo of the Armiger on its own; I wouldn't use the box contents shot to scale anything, as those are usually photoshopped from multiple photos.

I'm really interested in the unboxing reviews that will eventually be released for this.

Loving the idea of the Knights, but, i want to fully reserve judgement until i know more about them.

 HorticulusDK wrote:
I really hope the Forgebane Booklet will include a good part of fluff. I want to know if the Imperium really get a chance to push back the warp storms for real...

From what they've said it seems like the battle is being fought over control of blackstone which nullifies or amplifies the powers of Chaos.

That being said however, neither the Admech or the Necrons are friends of Chaos so the implications of who controls it are interesting. If the Necrons want the blackstone they must have plans for it

dapperbandit wrote:

 HorticulusDK wrote:
I really hope the Forgebane Booklet will include a good part of fluff. I want to know if the Imperium really get a chance to push back the warp storms for real...

From what they've said it seems like the battle is being fought over control of blackstone which nullifies or amplifies the powers of Chaos.

That being said however, neither the Admech or the Necrons are friends of Chaos so the implications of who controls it are interesting. If the Necrons want the blackstone they must have plans for it

Blackstone must be the material the Cadian Pylons are made of, that Cawl was investigating in the first Gathering Storm book. Ergo, it's a Necron invention that the AdMech have or are trying to take that has irked the Necrons. That's my theory anyway, but that being said they've mentioned that it can also amplify the power of the warp like a BLACKSTONE Fortress, which are an Eldar invention (well, Vaul).

Maybe its some sort of rare mineral that either amplifies or nullifies the power of the warp, depending how its used?
Or maybe the blackstone fortress is made out of an anti-warp material so it does tear itself apart from its own weapons?

Just to go back to the armiger. GW has made sets with single weapon dreadnaughts and made it so that they are not compatable with boxed set dreadnaughts weapons without some fidgeting.

Scarey Nerd wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Official word regarding the kits (which was never in doubt)

Well that dampens my enthusiasm for the Armiger Warglaive's a bit if they only have one build. Although I suppose there is a small chance that was in ref to the infantry kits.

My theory is there'll be an option for the carapace weapon, possibly for the melee weapon but they made a point of mentioning its name in the Community post so possibly not. I think main gun options will be in other, very similar kits, in much the same way as you can buy a Knight Paladin and it only has the RFBC. Makes sense by the IK build convention that each pattern is defined by its main weapon. Just a guess though

Knight Paladin/Errant is the original Knight kit. It builds the Rapid Fire Battle Cannon or Thermal Cannon and the Reaper Chainblade. It also only builds the Heavy Stubber for the 'shoulder' mount. It has no carapace weapon option--that came with the Knight Warden kit.

From the sprue setup we've seen for the Knight Armiger:

It's 4 sprues per Armiger.
3 sprues for the body, legs, and arms.
1 sprue has the shoulderpads(which are molded specifically with AdMech detail it seems), chaincleaver, and the Thermal Lance.

The sprue that has the torso parts also has the two separate carapace options; a Heavy Phosphor Blaster or a Melta Gun.


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 Looky Likey wrote:
While I'm highly doubtful that the Armiger in the new box is simplified or push fit, I can totally see GW having a separate weapons sprue that isn't included in the new box and that will be released later on when the Armiger is released as a standalone model. As others have mentioned in the thread, GW did pretty much this with the existing Knight kit, were they added in a sprue to enable you to build the new variants.

Having just one main gun option seems wrong, why would GW make a new large model that had only one gun? I'd expect to see at least one more main gun when the codex drops.

I'd expect to see a different main gun and melee weapon based upon the sprue setups, but with the patterns being fairly rigid as to what they had in them.

I'm expecting/speculating at this point that the reason why is to make it so that they can potentially keep costs down on the individual kits and/or so they can on their end see what kind of options people would be most interested in.
If the Armiger with its Thermal Lance and Reaper Chaincleaver sells well but the Doohickey with the Brrrrt Cannon and Pokeystick of JUSTICE! doesn't sell well--they might see it as worth their time to change the production numbers/priority for the Doohickey downwards while the Armiger goes upwards.

 Kanluwen wrote:


I'm expecting/speculating at this point that the reason why is to make it so that they can potentially keep costs down on the individual kits and/or so they can on their end see what kind of options people would be most interested in.
If the Armiger with its Thermal Lance and Reaper Chaincleaver sells well but the Doohickey with the Brrrrt Cannon and Pokeystick of JUSTICE! doesn't sell well--they might see it as worth their time to change the production numbers/priority for the Doohickey downwards while the Armiger goes upwards.

The only thing that makes me doubt that they won't just add in another sprue and have one box for the seperate Armiger is that the pauldrons in the boxset have hard cast mechanicum logos on them. I know a lot of people will want to be able to run these as a knight house, not as a mechanicum knight so having to cut off the logo will be painful on a large curved surface. I'm expecting the enhanced weapon sprue from the standalone box to also have a spare pair of pauldrons.

 Kanluwen wrote:

From the sprue setup we've seen for the Knight Armiger:
It's 4 sprues per Armiger.
3 sprues for the body, legs, and arms.
1 sprue has the shoulderpads(which are molded specifically with AdMech detail it seems), chaincleaver, and the Thermal Lance.

actually it looks more like it's 2 per armiger 4 in total in the box

 Looky Likey wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


I'm expecting/speculating at this point that the reason why is to make it so that they can potentially keep costs down on the individual kits and/or so they can on their end see what kind of options people would be most interested in.
If the Armiger with its Thermal Lance and Reaper Chaincleaver sells well but the Doohickey with the Brrrrt Cannon and Pokeystick of JUSTICE! doesn't sell well--they might see it as worth their time to change the production numbers/priority for the Doohickey downwards while the Armiger goes upwards.

The only thing that makes me doubt that they won't just add in another sprue and have one box for the seperate Armiger is that the pauldrons in the boxset have hard cast mechanicum logos on them. I know a lot of people will want to be able to run these as a knight house, not as a mechanicum knight so having to cut off the logo will be painful on a large curved surface. I'm expecting the enhanced weapon sprue from the standalone box to also have a spare pair of pauldrons.

I mean, that's assuming that certain variants wouldn't be 'locked' to specific Questors...

Having specific shoulderpads would actually be a weirdly specific way to make it so that people who want to run Questor Mechanicus have the Armiger, Imperialis have their own version, and Traitoris have their own version as well.

No inside information or anything--just wild speculation on my part. It would be an interesting/weird way to do things but it does open up that possibility--or the possibility that the Armigers are sanctified to the Machine God or whatever.

aracersss wrote:actually it looks more like it's 2 per armiger 4 in total in the box

It's 3 sprues for the Armiger itself.
1 sprue has the legs and pelvis(this is the sprue that is second closest on the top--it's what the weapon sprues are resting on).
1 sprue has the carapace, carapace weapons, cowling for the head, and the bottom part of where the legs would meet the torso(this is the sprue that is propped up).
1 sprue has the sides of the torso, the arm mountings, the 'tanks' for the meltagun on the carapace, and the feet(this is the one closest to the camera in the photo)

Not trying to argue or show you up; I've just spent way too long staring at these and figuring out how many I want or how I'd build them or what I could possibly do to make them look a bit more dynamic.
The box has two sets of the 4 sprues--3 of which are 'generic' while one sprue contains all the weapons and stuff.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Official word regarding the kits (which was never in doubt)

Well that dampens my enthusiasm for the Armiger Warglaive's a bit if they only have one build. Although I suppose there is a small chance that was in ref to the infantry kits.

You mean the quote specifically naming Praetorians, Lychguard and Immortals might have been in reference to the infantry kits?

That's what I'm hoping yeah. Its just that "featured kits" could be just those in the question or it could be all the kits in the box. Still fingers crossed for another sprue of weapon options for the Armiger on its solo release.

I want my Baby Knights, Baby Knights, Baaaaaby Knights now.

Can't wait to see what the arm them with in future releases. It wouldn't have to be anything crazy either, just stuff like Twin (insert large dread weapon)

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Official word regarding the kits (which was never in doubt)

Well that dampens my enthusiasm for the Armiger Warglaive's a bit if they only have one build. Although I suppose there is a small chance that was in ref to the infantry kits.

You mean the quote specifically naming Praetorians, Lychguard and Immortals might have been in reference to the infantry kits?

That's what I'm hoping yeah. Its just that "featured kits" could be just those in the question or it could be all the kits in the box. Still fingers crossed for another sprue of weapon options for the Armiger on its solo release.

It means "all the kits in the box" from past experiences I've had on this.

I'm fully expecting another kit rather than extra arm options. It kinda sucks as an idea, but it does hopefully mean they'll be coming multiples to a box or for cheaper than we seem to think--as they really aren't all that big when in comparison shots.

This looks awesome! Great way to start off a huge mechanicus army given that with a little bit of chopping a Necron can turn out like this.


The baby knights are a must have though I'm not sure if I need a 5th set of skitarii...

 Commander Cain wrote:
This looks awesome! Great way to start off a huge mechanicus army given that with a little bit of chopping a Necron can turn out like this.

Spoiler:

The baby knights are a must have though I'm not sure if I need a 5th set of skitarii...

Assmble em with special weapons that aren't great in 8th so that if 9th comes along you have stuff you can swap in?

 Commander Cain wrote:

The baby knights are a must have though I'm not sure if I need a 5th set of skitarii...

Seeing as this box set will be helping me kick-start my AdMech, I'd be happy to take a set of Skitarii off your hands.

How much will Armigers be going for on eBay I wonder in the weeks following the release.

Danny76 wrote:
How much will Armigers be going for on eBay I wonder in the weeks following the release.

I'm guessing about $40 to $60 a piece as the "reasonable" ebay price.

Some background fluff:

https://regimental-standard.com/2018/03/07/adeptus-mechanicus-announce-exciting-geological-discovery/

 Irbis wrote:
Some background fluff:

https://regimental-standard.com/2018/03/07/adeptus-mechanicus-announce-exciting-geological-discovery/

Haha, that was great.

Monolithius Sepulchrum Maxima: Naturally occurring “activated” deposits. IMPORTANT NOTE: Do not attempt excavation without heavy mining equipment, e.g. Rockgrinders, lascannons, Adeptus Astartes support units.

Um, does this mean that Monoliths will be dampening psykers come the new Necrons codex?

 John Prins wrote:
Um, does this mean that Monoliths will be dampening psykers come the new Necrons codex?

I hope so. That would be awesome and might make monoliths worth taking.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 John Prins wrote:
Um, does this mean that Monoliths will be dampening psykers come the new Necrons codex?

I hope so. That would be awesome and might make monoliths worth taking.

Ooo that would be cool

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/forgebane-box-set-listed-at-160.html?m=1

Box set listed at the same price as dark imperium. Expect stock shortages!

I just hope we hear confirmation either way on other Armiger variants existing outside the box set, because that'll strongly influence whether I get 1 or 2 sets of forgebane.

Is this a sign that the new Necron Codex might be on its way

 MightyAnarchist wrote:
Is this a sign that the new Necron Codex might be on its way

We knew from the Las Vegas Open at the end of January that Codex Necrons (along with T'au Empire and Drukhari) were the next three codices.

I'd like to get the Armigers and the Cryptek, but I feel I already have enough of the other units.

Anyone want to take bets after this set has been out we'll see the AdMech Start Collecting box be reissued with an Armiger to replace the Onager?

I love the look of those new Knights, but the box is going to be a hard pass for me as I don't play Necrons or AdMech. It is cool though, and I'm hoping that the Armiger is not too insanely priced (points or $$$) so I can eventually grab a couple.

 Stormonu wrote:
I'd like to get the Armigers and the Cryptek, but I feel I already have enough of the other units.

Anyone want to take bets after this set has been out we'll see the AdMech Start Collecting box be reissued with an Armiger to replace the Onager?

Doubtful. Knights will sell well enough without being bundled in a getting started. I'd expect Forgebane to be a limited run print as well, once the models in question are ready for individual release it will be dropped for a new battle box.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:


Doubtful. Knights will sell well enough without being bundled in a getting started. I'd expect Forgebane to be a limited run print as well, once the models in question are ready for individual release it will be dropped for a new battle box.

I'm really interested to see what the come up with next.

 Stormonu wrote:
I'd like to get the Armigers and the Cryptek, but I feel I already have enough of the other units.

Anyone want to take bets after this set has been out we'll see the AdMech Start Collecting box be reissued with an Armiger to replace the Onager?

No bets. I had hoped back with AdMech they'd change the box out to include an Ironstrider and Enginseer instead or Tau with a Fireblade or Commander instead of the Ethereal--no dice on either.

Natfka claims Forgebane will go on pre-order on the 31st.

This would likely mean the Necron codex goes on pre-order either same day or the week before, I wouldn't expect Forgebane to come out before the codex. Though it's certainly possible.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Natfka claims Forgebane will go on pre-order on the 31st.

This would likely mean the Necron codex goes on pre-order either same day or the week before, I wouldn't expect Forgebane to come out before the codex. Though it's certainly possible.

Blight War came out before the Maggotkin of Nurgle book(quite a bit before in fact) and Death Masque came out before the Deathwatch book.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/11/forgebane-pre-order-next-week/

And, as always, Naftka is proven not a reliable source^^

Also, Necron's Codes confirmed!

So Forgebane release in a couple of weeks with Codex Necrons probably the week after. I wonder how far out Codex Imperial Knights is then? IIRC the Deathwatch Codex came soon after the Deathmasque box, but on the other hand the Nurgle battle tome was a long time after the Blightwar box.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So Forgebane release in a couple of weeks with Codex Necrons probably the week after. I wonder how far out Codex Imperial Knights is then?

Warhammer Community wrote:And, as if Forgbane itself weren’t already exciting enough news for Necrons fans, we can confirm that hot on its heels will be a brand new codex for the everliving legions arriving before the end of March. So you won’t have to wait long before your Necrons can benefit from a whole swathe of new rules, Stratagems and – for the first time ever – unique dynasty rules for the most powerful of the ancient empire’s armies. We’ll be previewing this new codex in-depth soon, but in the meantime, here’s a peek at the Dynastic Codes – powerful rules for customising your collection – to whet your appetite.

The 24th for Necrons going up for preorder, releasing on the 31st.

It just squeaks in there as "before the end of March" since it ends that day.

Pretty shocked by how fast Forgebane is coming out... I honestly thought that it would be a June/July release.
Big Question, though... will there be a shortage of product or will it linger on the shelves?
I've already made arrangements to buy one and trade the contents, but who knows?

Depends how the Necron Codex is received. And how useful the Armigers prove. After all, Mechanicus armies essentially have Onagers for anti-tank. If these are reasonably pointed, could become a go-to unit.

Whoa, that was earlier than expected. Nice, I just need to finish my Flayed Ones, then I'll be ready for this.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Pretty shocked by how fast Forgebane is coming out... I honestly thought that it would be a June/July release.
Big Question, though... will there be a shortage of product or will it linger on the shelves?
I've already made arrangements to buy one and trade the contents, but who knows?

I'm expecting these boxes to sell out quite quickly - at least for the first week or two. I know a lot of players in my area are wanting the new Armigers so boxes will move quickly. I'm only interested in the new Cryptek which a friend is going to sell to me for a fiver so I'm all good from this release

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
How much will Armigers be going for on eBay I wonder in the weeks following the release.

I'm guessing about $40 to $60 a piece as the "reasonable" ebay price.

Depends if this is limited release like the rest of their two player box sets. If it is i would lean higher toward at least the $60 mark

@Mad Doc, this is a no brainer it will be a sell out don't expect this to be sitting on shelves anywhere.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
I'd like to get the Armigers and the Cryptek, but I feel I already have enough of the other units.

Anyone want to take bets after this set has been out we'll see the AdMech Start Collecting box be reissued with an Armiger to replace the Onager?

Doubtful. Knights will sell well enough without being bundled in a getting started. I'd expect Forgebane to be a limited run print as well, once the models in question are ready for individual release it will be dropped for a new battle box.

Well, that's just encouraged me to buy the Start Collecting box for the start of my Dark Mechanicus then.

Just remember that Dark Mechanicus don't really have a ton of rules. They have literally 1 unit.

I'm looking forward to cheap Necrons flooding the market. Got a Harli army out of the last big box they did.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm looking forward to cheap Necrons flooding the market. Got a Harli army out of the last big box they did.

Indeed. Immortals and Wraiths will be flooding ebay within the next few weeks

I'd be all over this box if I didn't already have all the Necrons I could use (like a true Tomb World, my Necrons have been slumbering since 5th Ed and will soon awaken!)

Awesome. I can't wait to preorder my copy.

I couldn't be happier, after recently starting an Admech army and having sold my Necron army several years back i have been indirectly looking for a reason to get some necrons and this will do it. Fill out my Admech and maybe get a new army started up best of both worlds.

looks like form codex or forgebane booklet

Was silently hoping for maybe reworked Warriors (similar to Tau Firewarrior/Breachers) but doesn't seem like it. Long shot obviously, but meh. Saves me replacing 60 Warriors lol

Fire Warriors only got a point drop. How is that a rework? Did I miss something?

Dandelion wrote:
Fire Warriors only got a point drop. How is that a rework? Did I miss something?

I think he means that a while ago, like the last time Tau got a codex, the fire warrior box was retooled (when they split strikers and breachers into their own unique units instead of just being fire warriors with different guns). The kit got redone and had slightly different heads and the trashcan added to it (as well as a couple other things probably). Was obviously not going to happen since the codex didn't have any special fanfare/was announced in a cluster of other codexes, but everyone can dream

Oooh, he meant models. Gotcha. Yeah, new warrior kits would be awesome. Oh well...

125 euros.
If separately, RRP would be 325 euros. All the Mechanicum ir Necron parts retails for about 185 euros, so the two Armigers might be roughly 70 euros each. An amazing deal if you just want the Knights and have friends who would pick necrons/skitarii. Heck, you could sell everything with 40% off and pretty much get the Knights for free.

Ashran wrote:

Dandelion wrote:
Fire Warriors only got a point drop. How is that a rework? Did I miss something?

I think he means that a while ago, like the last time Tau got a codex, the fire warrior box was retooled (when they split strikers and breachers into their own unique units instead of just being fire warriors with different guns). The kit got redone and had slightly different heads and the trashcan added to it (as well as a couple other things probably). Was obviously not going to happen since the codex didn't have any special fanfare/was announced in a cluster of other codexes, but everyone can dream

Breachers were a new thing, period, for Fire Warriors. The gun they had didn't exist before, they got their own specialized backpacks and helmets and even a drone that they're supposed to have synergy with(the Guardian Drone--a shield drone that gets better if you have a matching piece of gear).
Prior to that, Fire Warriors were just called Fire Warriors and could have Pulse Carbines or Pulse Rifles.

It was basically the same treatment that Necron Immortals had gotten during the Necron book previously.

Was kinda hoping for the Armiger preview to pop up now.

What dynasty do the Necrons from this boxed set belong to by the way?

 BrookM wrote:

What dynasty do the Necrons from this boxed set belong to by the way?

Do you mean according to the lore in the box set, or...?

Because as far as they're painted, at least, they just look to be Sautekh (which is just the "default" dynasty).

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/12/unit-focus-armiger-warglaivesgw-homepage-post-4/

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/12/unit-focus-armiger-warglaivesgw-homepage-post-4/

See? They're not as big as people think!

With four attacks at Strength 12, AP -3 and Damage 3, there’s little that can stand up to an assault from this brutal weapon, and it’ll be particularly potent against enemy heavy infantry as well as armoured units. Just watch out for hordes – you might find yourself bogged down when battling Ork Boyz, Hormagaunts and the like, as you lack the ability of the full-sized Imperial Knight to fall back and shoot with impunity.

Important bit from the Warhammer Community article.

 Kanluwen wrote:

With four attacks at Strength 12, AP -3 and Damage 3, there’s little that can stand up to an assault from this brutal weapon, and it’ll be particularly potent against enemy heavy infantry as well as armoured units. Just watch out for hordes – you might find yourself bogged down when battling Ork Boyz, Hormagaunts and the like, as you lack the ability of the full-sized Imperial Knight to fall back and shoot with impunity.

Important bit from the Warhammer Community article.

The other important (good) bits...

Unlike other Lords of War, you’ll be able to fit up to three Armigers in a single slot...

Armiger Warglaives are FAST – a 14″ move lets them to close in on enemy targets rapidly...

Well, hopefully their cost is in line with a non-relic contemptor then as honestly they seem pretty similar. Faster, less skilled. Definitely not a Lord of War in any sense other than for detachment purposes.

Yeah by stats they shouldn't be Lords of War but I have no problems with them being one just to allow IK players flexibility.

So will these new Knights be imperial only, or will there be Chaos versions?

Squadrons of 1-3 and increased movement speed?

 Togusa wrote:
So will these new Knights be imperial only, or will there be Chaos versions?

I'll consult my charts.

*rolls 2D6*
Maaaaaaaaaaaaybe?

If you want a real answer; nobody here can help you. We haven't seen a Chaos Knights book(we probably won't) or the Knights book proper. If GW is smart, they'll release a single "Knights" book and it will have rules for Questor Mechanicus, Imperialis, and Traitoris.

So the known stats seem to be:
14" movement, Strength 6, Toughness 7, 12 Wounds, 4 attacks, 3+ Save and an unknown ion shield (5+ is my guess)

Not being able to fall back from combat will hurt a bit.

Those stats do not seem impressive... These should not cost more than a Leman Russ tank.

 Looky Likey wrote:
So the known stats seem to be:
14" movement, Strength 6, Toughness 7, 12 Wounds, 4 attacks, 3+ Save and an unknown ion shield (5+ is my guess)

Not being able to fall back from combat will hurt a bit.

I'd guess that it'll be a normal Ion Shield since it doesn't say it's a special one.

 Looky Likey wrote:
Not being able to fall back from combat will hurt a bit.

Rather, they can walk out of combats like everything else, but unlike proper Knights, cannot shoot and assault afterwards.

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/12/unit-focus-armiger-warglaivesgw-homepage-post-4/

Spoiler:

I think I like the Armigers better after seeing that picture. Looks like a mechanical Vortigaunt.

 Crimson wrote:
Those stats do not seem impressive... These should not cost more than a Leman Russ tank.

That's the point, isn't it? Knights have enough expensive models. And GW can't very well go and give them superior rules for cheap. I mean, they could, but you know...

It is priced, sized, and ruled in such a way as to allow a pure knight detachment at 1000 points.

If it is priced right the weak stats are not a problem, though I was definitely expecting more considering it's a LoW.

I think GW is looking at it that three of them are a Lord of War.

So what you guys are saying is that I need three boxes of Forgebane? To make 6 guys, to go with a Knight.

It says "up to" so I think it's 1-3 per LoW slot.

 Crazyterran wrote:
So what you guys are saying is that I need three boxes of Forgebane? To make 6 guys, to go with a Knight.

No, not even close. What I'm saying is that since you can take up to three of them in a single slot, GW decided to make them a Lord of War choice. If they had been limited to one per slot like most units they may have been a Heavy Support choice instead.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
So will these new Knights be imperial only, or will there be Chaos versions?

I'll consult my charts.

*rolls 2D6*
Maaaaaaaaaaaaybe?

If you want a real answer; nobody here can help you. We haven't seen a Chaos Knights book(we probably won't) or the Knights book proper. If GW is smart, they'll release a single "Knights" book and it will have rules for Questor Mechanicus, Imperialis, and Traitoris.

True, but we do have plastic chaos knights. So it seemed logical that these as well would be cross-pollinated to the CSM/CoS side. So much profit, so little effort!

Doesn't look bad but we don't know it's pts cost yet and that d3 melts shots is annoying. I'd rather it just be assault 2 or something. For no more than they'll probably cost with the box I'll probably pick up a couple of boxes considering I need more skitarii as well

 Togusa wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
So will these new Knights be imperial only, or will there be Chaos versions?

I'll consult my charts.

*rolls 2D6*
Maaaaaaaaaaaaybe?

If you want a real answer; nobody here can help you. We haven't seen a Chaos Knights book(we probably won't) or the Knights book proper. If GW is smart, they'll release a single "Knights" book and it will have rules for Questor Mechanicus, Imperialis, and Traitoris.

True, but we do have plastic chaos knights. So it seemed logical that these as well would be cross-pollinated to the CSM/CoS side. So much profit, so little effort!

We don't actually have a "chaos knights" kit. It's just a Knight kit with the Renegades transfer sheet.

The same guy who leaked Forgebane in the first place said that the Knights codex would include Renegade rules, so... yeah.

Will be interesting to see then if the Chaos option gets to keep the dual Avenger or not.

Or, big old dream here, the Imperials get access to dual Avengers as well.

I mean, it's expensive, but worth it.

Given their speed and weapon range, I'm wondering if perhaps melta is/will be the best option for the Armiger.

I'm thinking 'yes' at the moment. Which places me back into the camp of 'I"ll be buying this box'.

It has speed and good range, if it has a BS of 3+ advancing and shooting with it will also be very viable.

The big problem with melta has always been its range... with 30" range and 15" for the melta rule... they actually look pretty good compared with lasscannons.

The range on the spear is generous and meshes well with the slight increase in mobility.

Only real downside to the suit is its lack of horde deterrents, as I doubt this thing can stomp like its bigger brothers.

 Galas wrote:
The big problem with melta has always been its range... with 30" range and 15" for the melta rule... they actually look pretty good compared with lasscannons.

I really like how fast they are. I'd imagine getting close with 3 of the beasts adding in assault melta, might be very effective. the 3+ would be badass and 15" for re-roll damage can be useful on many targets.

 oni wrote:
Given their speed and weapon range, I'm wondering if perhaps melta is/will be the best option for the Armiger.

Compared to what?

I did a quick measurement based on the picture below. A skitarii ranger is 3.2cm from foot to hood. You can stack 3 and a half tall to get to same height as knight. This means knight is roughly 11.2 cm +/- 0.5 cm

That's pretty tiny indeed

EDIT: By same rationale the knight is on a 100mm base

No I think they're taller than 4 inches. The legs on the sprue look like they're 3 inches themselves.

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
I did a quick measurement based on the picture below. A skitarii ranger is 3.2cm from foot to hood. You can stack 3 and a half tall to get to same height as knight. This means knight is roughly 11.2 cm +/- 0.5 cm

That's pretty tiny indeed

EDIT: By same rationale the knight is on a 100mm base

11cm+ would put it at slightly larger than a Dreadnought.

Points wise, expecting between 170-180 after a comparison to a basic melta contemptor dreadnought.

If both sides have roughly the same amount of points (Necrons 532 if the new values are true versus 230ish for Dominus + 10 Rangers with assorted weapons) then 150+ pts would be about right.

Im thinking a super heavy detach of these adds a nice cheap punch to my wolves and nice cp.

500-600 points for 9d3 melta + 3 carapace melta + cc.
36 wounds with 3+ probably 5++ 14" and please please please 3+tohit looks really really good

It wouldn't surprise me if they tossed on 4+ for both WS and BS as a means of keeping points down and tying it in with the fluff of these, while piloted by exceptional people, they're nowhere near as their masters.

WS3+ and BS3+ sounds fair because of D3 and D6. What if it have bad WS/BS stat and you unlucky roll 1 for it D3&D6... auto miss most of the games.

What makes these super-heavy?

So imperial knight player like me can use it.
I own 5 lord imperial knight and I will buy this forgebane to add minions for my lord knight

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What makes these super-heavy?

There not, the old Super heavy type has been replaces with the Titanic keyword. But not all Lords of war have it.