Fireforge Games is proud to announce a new big project:
Forgotten World, a new range of fantasy models in hard plastic multi-part 28mm scale highly customizable
WHY KICKSTARTER? Fireforge Games has not enough resources to release togheter all the new fantasy kits, so we will ask for the help of all hobbysts to bring on the wargame and roleplay market these new figures. The campaign will be launched probably during September and we would like to show the preview of the kickstarter page during august. The release of the models if the project will be a success, should be for april-may 2019. If the campaign will be a success, Fireforge Games has plans to release a lot more new ranges for the fantasy line.
THE MODELS This campaign will search funds to release 2 factions: The Northmen and The Living Dead, each faction will receive 3 different hard plastic multi-part kit
The material Plastic models will be in hard plastic (or HIPS, that it is NOT pvc plastic), is the exactly same plastic used by companies like Games Workshop, Perry Miniatures and other companies. It is the best that someone can offer for your models. Our company from birth, has always offered the best in materials. The plastic used for our kits will be made in EU, under our quality control. We avoided the production in China because we were not satisfied by the quality of the Hard Plastic offered (for example plastic HIPS lances made in china break too easily).
Scale comparison (we will try to do better pictures of cavalry models soon)
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THE NORTHMEN Northern Warriors: the city defense of the Northern Kingdom, the backbone of any northern army.
- the box will allow you to assemble up to 12 models. You will be able to equip up to 12 spearmen OR up to 12 swordsmen OR up to 6 with two handed spears.
The box will also include a command option to assemble leader, musician and standard bearer.
The box will include 12 20x20mm square bases AND 12 25mm diameter round bases
Models will have the following separate parts: heads, torsos, arms, shields, legs, daggers, scabbards, pouches and bags
Some pictures of painted prototypes (final models will be better):
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Northern Bowmen: expert hunters in the dangerous northern forests, explorers, perfect to weaken the enemy armies
- the box will allow you to assemble up to 12 models. You will be able to equip up to 12 bowmen with arrows in the hand, up to 6 bowmen that just released the arrow, up to 6 of the arrows can be assembled like flaming arrows, up to 4 models with hoods covering the heads.
The box will also include a command option to assemble leader, musician and standard bearer.
The box will include 12 20x20mm square bases AND 12 25mm diameter round bases
Models will have the following separate parts: heads, torsos, arms, legs, daggers, quivers, arrows on the ground, flaming braziers, flames to put on the arrows, pouches and bags
Some pictures of painted and unpainted prototypes (final models will be better):
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Northern Cavalry: lesser nobles useful as faster units on the battlefield to take the enemy behind
- the box will allow you to assemble up to 6 models. You will be able to equip up to 6 horsemen with swords, up to 6 horsemen with lances.
The box will also include a command option to assemble leader, musician and standard bearer.
The box will include 6 25x50mm square bases AND 6 75x42mm oval bases
Models will have the following separate parts: heads, torsos, arms, shields, legs, daggers, scabbards, pouches and bags
Horses will be 3 different pair of half-bodies with 3 different heads and 3 different tails (to assemble how do you like)
Some pictures of painted and unpainted prototypes (final models will be better):
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THE LIVING DEAD Peasants: fresh villagers just infected by the plague
- the box will allow you to assemble up to 12 models. You will be able to equip up to 2 models with the same weapon like pitchforks, cleaver, scythe, hoe, shovel, big axe and butcher knife.
The box will include 12 20x20mm square bases AND 12 25mm diameter round bases
Models will have the following separate parts: heads, bodies, arms
Some pictures of painted and unpainted prototypes (final models will be better):
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Soldiers: dead soldiers from different kingdom now part of one army
- the box will allow you to assemble up to 12 models. You will be able to equip up to 12 spearmen OR up to 8 swordsmen OR up to 2 with war axe OR up to with war mace OR up to 6 with two handed spears.
The box will also include a command option to assemble leader, musician and standard bearer.
The box will include 12 20x20mm square bases AND 12 25mm diameter round bases
Models will have the following separate parts: heads, bodies, arms, shields, arrows to apply as suffered hits, two handed spears.
Some pictures of unpainted prototypes (final models will be better):
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Knights: veterans from a far past resurrected by necromancer's spells
- the box will allow you to assemble up to 6 models. You will be able to equip up to 6 knights with swords, up to 6 knights with lances, up to 2 knights with morning star, up to 2 knights with battle axe, up to 2 knights with war mace.
The box will also include a command option to assemble leader, musician and standard bearer and a dire dog.
The box will include 6 25x50mm square bases AND 6 75x42mm oval bases
Models will have the following separate parts: heads, torsos, arms, shields, legs, scabbards
Horses will be 3 different pair of half-bodies with 3 different heads and 3 different tails and 3 separated bardings (to assemble how do you like)
Some pictures of painted and unpainted prototypes (final models will be better):
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THE RULES Togheter with the new figures, Fireforge Games is working on a ruleset to play with. The ruleset will allow you to play skirmish games or bigger regimented battles. We are in alpha working for now and the beta should be available for the launch of the campaign. We will reveal something about the rules in the future before the starting of the campaign and we will ask to people to join the beta testing to obtain a fun, strategic set of rules.
None of the pictures seem to show for me here. I've seen them elsewhere though, and I'm looking forward to getting them. Better match to GW size, and miles better sculpting than Frostgrave plastics.
I am concerned about the size. They look pretty small and a little stumpy. I hope they reconsider scaling them up a bit to fit in better with the majority of fantasy miniatures. In particular their arms look very short and the torsos look very wide. Thankfully the heads are a big improvement over typical historical ranges.
Gallahad wrote: I am concerned about the size. They look pretty small and a little stumpy. I hope they reconsider scaling them up a bit to fit in better with the majority of fantasy miniatures. In particular their arms look very short and the torsos look very wide. Thankfully the heads are a big improvement over typical historical ranges.
Well they are the same size as Fireforge's other miniatures, so I doubt that would change.
Gallahad wrote: I am concerned about the size. They look pretty small and a little stumpy. I hope they reconsider scaling them up a bit to fit in better with the majority of fantasy miniatures. In particular their arms look very short and the torsos look very wide. Thankfully the heads are a big improvement over typical historical ranges.
Well they are the same size as Fireforge's other miniatures, so I doubt that would change.
I don't think so, looking at the scale picture they showed the fireforge historical guy is on a 2mm integral base, do I think they did scale up the fantasy guys a little, just not their arms apparently.
Hanskrampf wrote:I wish they were a bit less stumpy, but they look pretty good nontheless.
Gallahad wrote:I am concerned about the size. They look pretty small and a little stumpy. I hope they reconsider scaling them up a bit to fit in better with the majority of fantasy miniatures. In particular their arms look very short and the torsos look very wide. Thankfully the heads are a big improvement over typical historical ranges.
Actually these are quite good. If you have never worn armor you do not really understand how it changes your shape.
This is me, a normal regualy propotioned guy (bit on the chubby side).
Now this is me in my armor. It makes my head look tiny and my arms a bit stumpy. This is because of the now exaggerated torso.
So for what it's worth, my opinion is that these are really well done.
Hanskrampf wrote:I wish they were a bit less stumpy, but they look pretty good nontheless.
Gallahad wrote:I am concerned about the size. They look pretty small and a little stumpy. I hope they reconsider scaling them up a bit to fit in better with the majority of fantasy miniatures. In particular their arms look very short and the torsos look very wide. Thankfully the heads are a big improvement over typical historical ranges.
Actually these are quite good. If you have never worn armor you do not really understand how it changes your shape.
This is me, a normal regualy propotioned guy (bit on the chubby side).
Now this is me in my armor. It makes my head look tiny and my arms a bit stumpy. This is because of the now exaggerated torso.
So for what it's worth, my opinion is that these are really well done.
While on the miniatures, the head is too big and the legs too short.
We are working really faster we can to launch the campaign during this summer, meanwhile here there are some prototypes assembled and painted.
Just to give you an idea: arms, heads, pouches, legs, torsos, shields, scabbards, daggers, are all separated parts and you will be able to customize these guys a lot.
We are working really faster we can to launch the campaign during this summer, meanwhile here there are some prototypes assembled and painted.
Just to give you an idea: arms, heads, pouches, legs, torsos, shields, scabbards, daggers, are all separated parts and you will be able to customize these guys a lot.
This might just be the paint, but the actual models look much better than the renders. Great job.
Very interested in this KS.
The painted test models are great, looking forward to the KS. Aside from the basic troops, archers, and cavalry, what other human models do you have in the pipe?
Very excited for some modern/good quality basic humans for medieval/fantasy settings, my AoS Freeguild could use some reinforcements.
Those miniatures look properly amazing, I'm getting some, no doubt ( unless the price is outrageous, like GW-outrageous )
They are "classic" enough to leave room for customization, but characterful and design-y enough to have an aesthetic of their own.
Multiparts, weapon options, command, and extra bits ? You guys sure know what people want !!!
The painted prints look good. Hopefully this is a fast turnaround kickstarter, I'm feeling less and less willing to wait around for several years for delivery.
What other factions are going to be part of the game / world?
Are we talking standard fantasy races here, or is it going to be another "Humans, some weird elves, and some bizzaro custom faction like evil squirrel men" kinda world?
They’ve said the starter set is Northern humans against “plagued” humans name TBC (cough not starks v white walkers army). 3 HIPS kits for each and some presumably resin characters. So northern humans get Infantry, Archers and Cavalry assuming the archers are separate to the infantry and aren’t an upgrade set.
I definitely want a few boxes of each Northern humans mixed with Frostgrave Barbarians will give me a nice KoW Northern Alliance army. I’ll give Forgeforged games rules a look but it’s not a priority for me.
FANTASY PROJECT
Plastic
- The project of our Forgotten World starter set is going forward without delays.We planned to launch the kickstarter during this summer, but if we will go to August as the month when we will have all ready, we will launch the campaign for September avoiding the holiday month.
The starter set will contain rules to play a regimented or a skirmish game, with a set of statistics to use also other classical races like orks, elves and dwarfs for example.
All the figures done have a lot of separate parts like scabbards, quivers, heads, arms, shields, puches, daggers, torsos, bodies, legs... you will be able to customize a lot your figures if you will want.
Any set will contain a command frame to let you assemble 3 figures for each set like a command option with banners, musician and leader and with more options to customize your models.
The human faction of the Northmen will have:
1) set of warriors: you will be able to assemble on every 12 models, all with swords, all with spears and up to 6 with two handed spears.
2) set of bowmen: you will be able to assemble on every 12 models, 12 guys with normal arrows or 6 with flaming arrows
3) set of cavalry: you will be able to assemble on every 6 models, 6 knight lancers or 6 knights with sword
The Living Dead will have
1) set of civilian plagued: a set with civilian now living dead between female and male models with different weapons
2) set of soldiers plagued: a set with different type of human soldiers from different kingdoms with different armours now living dead
3) set of horsemen plagued: a set of soldiers like above
Oh my, I really, really hope they go for a more traditional "shambler" concept for these "Plagued" models - it'd be sooooo good to finally have a modern, well-scaled, good-looking fantasy zombie plastic kit.
I know Mantic did one, but it's a bit "28 Days Later" for my taste, and they don't look that great next to "heroic" scaled models IMO.
Yeah, I'm absolutely LOVING the models shown so far, and if they could make good-looking zombies that would be icing on the cake!
I'm gonna have to come up with a use for these Northern Warriors, maybe as Chaos Marauders or Freeguild for AoS... Might be the best generic medieval fantasy human warrior kit out there, especially with the variety in weapon options and even cavalry! And of course it scales with GW which Perry Models generally don't.
Zethnar wrote: What other factions are going to be part of the game / world?
Are we talking standard fantasy races here, or is it going to be another "Humans, some weird elves, and some bizzaro custom faction like evil squirrel men" kinda world?
If the kickstarter campaign will be a success, we will expand our range with our humans and our new races: i'm meaning that we will start work on new designs for classical races like orks, dwarfs and elves. For sure inside the rules you will find in the starter box we will launch with kickstarter, we will put some pages with unit profiles for classical races (orks, elfs and dwarfs)
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Prestor Jon wrote: Do FireForge’s not-Bretonnians their Albion knights and Pegasus knights have a place in this Forgotten World game or are they just a one off thing?
Albions and pegasus knights were released to support the 9th age players with the resources we had. There is no reason to tell to the players: don't use these figures to play our future fantasy rules.
So these are three human kits for the KS. Initially I was really looking forward to this, but it seems that it's the same design (except weapons / mount) for archers, infantry and cavalry.
A bit of chainmail, different helmets and etc.. would be great.. now it's more we CAD designed a set of figures and than we use that figure for everything.
Tonhel wrote: So these are three human kits for the KS. Initially I was really looking forward to this, but it seems that it's the same design (except weapons / mount) for archers, infantry and cavalry.
A bit of chainmail, different helmets and etc.. would be great.. now it's more we CAD designed a set of figures and than we use that figure for everything.
It's to plain.
Northmen have a uniform, probably you will like more our living dead
Tonhel wrote: So these are three human kits for the KS. Initially I was really looking forward to this, but it seems that it's the same design (except weapons / mount) for archers, infantry and cavalry.
A bit of chainmail, different helmets and etc.. would be great.. now it's more we CAD designed a set of figures and than we use that figure for everything.
It's to plain.
Northmen have a uniform, probably you will like more our living dead
It's not that I don't like them. I still think the basic infantry looks great, but the cavalry is way to plain.. . A bit more armour would be a start.
Tonhel wrote: So these are three human kits for the KS. Initially I was really looking forward to this, but it seems that it's the same design (except weapons / mount) for archers, infantry and cavalry.
A bit of chainmail, different helmets and etc.. would be great.. now it's more we CAD designed a set of figures and than we use that figure for everything.
It's to plain.
Northmen have a uniform, probably you will like more our living dead
It's not that I don't like them. I still think the basic infantry looks great, but the cavalry is way to plain.. . A bit more armour would be a start.
I would also really like the cavalry to look a little different from the standard infantry. A different helmet style could do the trick.
Tonhel wrote: So these are three human kits for the KS. Initially I was really looking forward to this, but it seems that it's the same design (except weapons / mount) for archers, infantry and cavalry.
A bit of chainmail, different helmets and etc.. would be great.. now it's more we CAD designed a set of figures and than we use that figure for everything.
It's to plain.
Northmen have a uniform, probably you will like more our living dead
It's not that I don't like them. I still think the basic infantry looks great, but the cavalry is way to plain.. . A bit more armour would be a start.
I would also really like the cavalry to look a little different from the standard infantry. A different helmet style could do the trick.
I'm gonna agree here, the footmen and archers are nice, but the cavalry deserves are bit of a different look, even if it's just a different helmet and a few pieces of armour.
I like the cavalry because they so closely match the infantry as always you’ll get a range of opinions based on personal tastes. A few optional bits on the sprue should keep everyone happy. It’s good to see hooded heads as well for the archers.
All are showing for me - but don't worry, if you've seen one of these guys, you've apparently seen them all!
That made me laugh! I honestly think they paid a sculptor to do a single body, five heads, a horse, and a bunch of different arms.
We are showing just some wips to give you an idea.
Each plastic set will have a lot of different parts, for example our spearmen will have
6 different bodies
8 different heads
15 different weapon options
a lot of accessories to customize your soldiers
a command frame to obtain commanders (with more different parts and weapons)
another think is that you will be able to mix all the different parts from the different boxes to obtain a incredible number of different soldiers: for example use the bodies from the cavalry kit to assemble infantrymen with more armour (there will be a lot of options for achers and for the northern cavalry too)
The following picture is for example the cavalrymen assembled with lance option instead of swords
I'm sorry these pictures are from our twitter channel. I see them without difficulties, i will see to upload them from another channel (maybe from our facebook page)
Taarnak wrote: That's the issue then. And linking to Facebook won't solve the problem.
Upload to a gallery somewhere. Not everyone has or wants to deal with social media.
We are creating a gallery on our website, as soon as it will be completed i will edit all the links
meanwhile another wip on the bowmen
We liked a lot the idea to build a unit with flaming arrows, this is why you will find in this kit braziers and flames to put on your arrows to obtain a very nice unit of bowmen
I'm excited to see what their "plagued" humans look like. There seem to be lots of rotting type options out there already, but a nice plastic kit with a medieval fantasy theme could still find a niche (Zcide Black Plague zombies are pretty samey, and have a distinctive style).
This is a 3d model for our upcoming Living Dead paesants box. Arms and head will be a separate part. We are still working on but now you can have an idea of the look of the new faction that will be launched togheter with the northmen in our kickstarter campaign
Looks good to me nothing fancy but peasants don't need to be look forward to seeing more.
Yaaaaaaaass, this is exactly what I was hoping for. Just plain old fashioned shambling fantasy Zombies. All the kit would need to be perfect is a selection of arms with open hands to use instead of some of the ones with weapons.
Meet Dave and his family
Our Peasants box will allow you to assemble a perfect horde of Living Dead, with a lot of different weapons and heads to obtain wonderful figures. We hope you will like them
GW zombies are abysmal imo, comically bad. Mantic zeds are superb, but these ones look just as good. A different flavour too, with more clothes, weapons and add-ons (like the crow).
Looking forward to seeing the soldier zombies!
I've enjoyed messing with Fireforge's plastics, so hopefully these will be cross compatible and we can bash them into all sorts of lovely monstrosities!
I've enjoyed messing with Fireforge's plastics, so hopefully these will be cross compatible and we can bash them into all sorts of lovely monstrosities!
They don't appear to be, and I rather hope they aren't, I want them to be compatible with my fantasy minis not titchy wee historicals stuff.
I've enjoyed messing with Fireforge's plastics, so hopefully these will be cross compatible and we can bash them into all sorts of lovely monstrosities!
it should be compatible with our other plastics we will do experiments forward
I absolutely love the zombie with a crow perched on his head pecking at it. Inspired. They all look good, much prefer what I'm seeing to mantic or gw's offerings.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I absolutely love the zombie with a crow perched on his head pecking at it. Inspired. They all look good, much prefer what I'm seeing to mantic or gw's offerings.
Mac V wrote: Can you tell us anything about the forthcoming rules? Will they be part of the KS?
I'm assuming you plan on creating a setting as well. Any info on that?
yes it will be part of our kickstarter for who will be interested in picking that. We are working on a set of rules for skirmish games and regimented to play as you wish, but with the same basic mechanics for both
we will ask to kickstarter backers to join our tests if they want
Im pondering an undead army now with the new Soul Wars stuff out, and these zombies look really cool!
They could make a nice cou terpoint to Nighthaunt spectral troops by painting their eyes glowing like they are supernaturally animated corpses rather than mundane virus zombies. Being meat puppets that are inhabited by a malignant spirit would also explain how they are using weapons.
AegisGrimm wrote: Im pondering an undead army now with the new Soul Wars stuff out, and these zombies look really cool!
They could make a nice cou terpoint to Nighthaunt spectral troops by painting their eyes glowing like they are supernaturally animated corpses rather than mundane virus zombies. Being meat puppets that are inhabited by a malignant spirit would also explain how they are using weapons.
That's always what Zombies have been in Warhammer though, did they change it to the daft viral trope in AoS?
Zombies in Warhammer were always animated by Dark Magic, not a virus or evil spirits. From the snippets I have read about this setting (and references to a Plague) it seems like a sort of magic undead plague is wrecking some kingdom. Like in Warcraft 3.
Meet Dave and his family
Our Peasants box will allow you to assemble a perfect horde of Living Dead, with a lot of different weapons and heads to obtain wonderful figures. We hope you will like them
Mymearan wrote: brilliant, finally a good replacement for the horrible GW kit!
Show some respect! Those zombies are older than you are!
Zombie with the crow is fantastic. All the others are fine too. But only peasant zombies? How about some sculpts depicting city zombies: Guards, merchants, priests, royals, prostitutes, beggars, laborers, etc.
Mymearan wrote: brilliant, finally a good replacement for the horrible GW kit!
You've had the Mantic kit for years. But these are more similar to the GW kit, what with the farming equipment and all.
He said good. The Mantic ones are meh, fair at best. I'll take the GW Zeds over Mantic all day, every day.
Blackhoof wrote:GW zombies are abysmal imo, comically bad. Mantic zeds are superb, but these ones look just as good. A different flavour too, with more clothes, weapons and add-ons (like the crow).
Looking forward to seeing the soldier zombies!
GW Zombies are how many years old? 15 years?
I am not a fan of Mantic zombies, not much of fan of most Mantic miniatures. These Fireforge zombies look good, almost as good as their Norhern warriors. I really prefer these "style" (more heroic) than their historical mini's. I think they are using a different sculptor? I wouldn't mind that all Fireforge mini's are done in this style from now on.
I would love to back this and maybe I will, but these are probably a mid to late 2019 release and it's not that I have money to spare with all those great GW releases right now and in the future.. .
The hands are pretty good, so I'm not sure why they saved time on the feet. But in a horde of 20-60 Zombies, I don't think it matters much. The rest of the model is like a today's version of the GW kit, so I'm pretty excited.
If you view at a more normal size, the toes don't look too bad, though they are big feet! Once you get a groundwork and some tufts on the base they should be less noticeable.
Those horses are also going to end up in some Hexwraiths as they match the new night haunt designs better.
Box sets contents are confirm at 12 Infantry or 6 Cavalry but they already said they will be cheaper than their current boxes due to lower figure count.
I think I've finally found a replacement for my lovingly kitbashed from GW Empire Knights and Grave Guard undead cavalry.
I put a lot of work into those fellows, but as my undead army incorporates more and more non-GW models, the scale and bat-hat aesthetic is feeling more and more off. These will fit in much better!
Those skeleton cavalry look great. Like psychopomp the 'bat-hat' aesthetic of GW skellies has always bothered me, like they were kitted out to be fighting in an undead army before they died (which only really works for Sylvanian militia themed forces or similar) or the vampire/necromancer summoning them has bothered to kit them out with 'spooky' gear. They should really be the dead of other armies and equipped/dressed as such. Which makes these perfect.
DaveC wrote: now that's how you do undead cavalry!
Those horses are also going to end up in some Hexwraiths as they match the new night haunt designs better.
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Box sets contents are confirm at 12 Infantry or 6 Cavalry but they already said they will be cheaper than their current boxes due to lower figure count.
They're not galloping through the air on twenty foot streamers of smoke-energy-stuff while waving their weapons around their heads, so I'm not sure how much they do fit with AoS undead
Seriously though, they look fantastic, but I'm more an infantry and characters man.
While Kings of War does not have armored zombies, players can use what figures they like provided they are not deceptive (i.e. have wings that imply they are a flying unit when they are not etc). So it is a matter of taste. An unit of mostly peasant zombies with some scattered soldier zombies mixed in would look nice. Alternately, use the armored zombies as Revenants, the "elite" Undead soldiers who actually have a decent "to hit" and defense.
Since they are knock-kneed and pigeon-toed, in KOW they could pass for ogres.
I would have preferred some Fireforge-quality skeletons, but you know...plastic armored zombies is a thing we don't have already! I don't know what I would use them for outside Forgotten World, though.
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Great looking sets so far. I hope they have a 'pick and choose' option to cherry pick the units/minis you want. I do not think I need a whole army, but a few of these and a few of those would work perfectly for me.
So far these look brilliant. Only point of criticism is the headless model looks odd having the neck rounded. Hope that is optional and a headed version can be made.
stonehorse wrote: So far these look brilliant. Only point of criticism is the headless model looks odd having the neck rounded. Hope that is optional and a headed version can be made.
there's descriptive text that accompanies the picture
I realise that this KS seems to be creating plastic troops for Fireforge's own upcoming rules.
However, I'm sure they'll get at least as many, probably more, sales for other systems.
The models look great. But really... 12 models in a zombie horde? Most of Firestorm's other ranges (historical) have amounts like 30-48 in foot soldiers and 12's in cavalry.
Are these sets going to be a quarter of the cost or are we going to see these boxes of 12's at the same price as 30+ models.
If KS purchasers are upfronting the cost of production, I really hope this isn't a case of matching box sizes and prices to (say) GW price standards rather than Historical figures.
Gimgamgoo wrote: I realise that this KS seems to be creating plastic troops for Fireforge's own upcoming rules.
However, I'm sure they'll get at least as many, probably more, sales for other systems.
The models look great. But really... 12 models in a zombie horde? Most of Firestorm's other ranges (historical) have amounts like 30-48 in foot soldiers and 12's in cavalry.
Are these sets going to be a quarter of the cost or are we going to see these boxes of 12's at the same price as 30+ models.
If KS purchasers are upfronting the cost of production, I really hope this isn't a case of matching box sizes and prices to (say) GW price standards rather than Historical figures.
Don't worry, if they try to match GW prices the project will be DOA. I'm confident they will offer us great value in exchange for fronting the cost of production.
Gimgamgoo wrote: I realise that this KS seems to be creating plastic troops for Fireforge's own upcoming rules.
However, I'm sure they'll get at least as many, probably more, sales for other systems.
The models look great. But really... 12 models in a zombie horde? Most of Firestorm's other ranges (historical) have amounts like 30-48 in foot soldiers and 12's in cavalry.
Are these sets going to be a quarter of the cost or are we going to see these boxes of 12's at the same price as 30+ models.
If KS purchasers are upfronting the cost of production, I really hope this isn't a case of matching box sizes and prices to (say) GW price standards rather than Historical figures.
they already talked about this, sets will be significantly cheaper.
All we have for comparison so far is their Amazons KS, the main pledge was €69 but with stretch goals went up to €156 in value. The base set from that pledge retails for €99 so roughly a 1/3 discount to start with. Also that KS was resin not HIPS which is more expensive to tool but cheaper to produce thereafter.
They've said that due to the smaller qty the boxes will be cheaper. Their historical infantry sets retail for €27 for 24 figures or €39 for 48 figures so would 12 figures be €14-€15 ? and at a third off €10??? pure speculation on my part won't be too long until we find out.
Not sure if I'll get the full starter or just go a la carte depends on the value in each I guess I don't need another game system put if it's effectively thrown in for free I'll take it
Of course if that actually did happen, his neck wouldn't look like that, it would be concave, right?
Anyway...swing and a miss on the 'joke', but a hit (solid single) on the miniature renders.
Just hope their game is pretty good too!
1. Depends on your scoop orientation.
2. The joke is a swing and a miss, but a bigger swing and a miss would be someone with obvious and inescapable access to clippers or a hobby blade complaining about a plastic miniature's unsightly neck stump.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I will be shocked if the price of the zombie box scales proportionately per mini with their historicals.
Gimgamgoo wrote: I realise that this KS seems to be creating plastic troops for Fireforge's own upcoming rules.
However, I'm sure they'll get at least as many, probably more, sales for other systems.
The models look great. But really... 12 models in a zombie horde? Most of Firestorm's other ranges (historical) have amounts like 30-48 in foot soldiers and 12's in cavalry.
Are these sets going to be a quarter of the cost or are we going to see these boxes of 12's at the same price as 30+ models.
If KS purchasers are upfronting the cost of production, I really hope this isn't a case of matching box sizes and prices to (say) GW price standards rather than Historical figures.
These kits will have a different price from our historical range, because these kits have a different production cost (a lot higher)
We think we will be able to have a price around the 20€ for each box set
About the number of models in our boxes, our previously releases, tried to give customers an high number of good models. We thought in past that our figures were used mostly for regimented battles.
There weren't all these rules to play skirmish battles with our figures.
In fantasy wargames, the use of large battle rules is decreasing, by the other side the quality of the models of this market is really high. You don't need anymore a lot of models, but do you want that your models will be wonderful.
This is why our company for this project focused completely on the quality of the models, working on new ways to do figures (like new joint system of the model parts), adding more details on the sculpts and creating a lot of accessories to customize them.
This of course increased a lot the production cost. The kickstarter price for our fantasy boxes will be a bit lower of the future retailer price. We are doing our best to give you a good quality price.
Naturally, what we learned on that work will be used to increase the quality of our future historical production
Well, I hope the price point will be okay. Because those Zombies will probably mainly used in WHFB, KoW or AoS by a lot of people (me included).
All are still mass battles.
For AoS, I would need about 120 Zombies as a core. That's 640/2000 points.
20 GW Zombies are 30 €.
39 Mantic Zombies are 40 €.
So yeah, these Zombies are better than the GW or Mantic ones, but a pack of 12 probably shouldn't be priced higher than 15 € to be competetive.
lord_blackfang wrote: Tale as old as time, historical company goes into fantasy when they notice they can charge more per figure
maybe could be strange for you, but our company will earn the same selling one box of an historical product or two boxes of our future fantasy range
This is due to the different production cost.
Our intention is to release on the market really nice figures for fantasy games, from the wargames to the roleplay games and honestly we think they are nice, and also a great push forward from our past production, here some differences:
The proportions are better
There will be the bases you need also for other games
They will be as usual compatible with other sets
There will be a lot of option to assemble them in different ways
The details will be well defined (like the chainmail)
The joints of the parts will be better for assembling
There will be command options to assemble leaders, standard bearers and musicians in all the boxes (except the Living dead peasants, but you will have a double command option in each Living Dead soldiers set to use with peasants)
And in any case, i would like to tell a couple of things:
-1 we are not doing our production with the idea to sell figures for other games, these models are thought for our game, if people will buy them to play AOS or 9th age etc, we will be happy of course, but our intention is our new game
-2 there are companies (someone told about historical companies but it is not only this case) that to increase the price or continuing to sell with a low price their products give you a plastic lower in quality as material: this will be not our way to work as our customers know
EDIT response above got in while I was typing so this was posted prior to seeing it.
Yeah you probably don’t want to exceed €30 for 24 Zombies or else your too close to the competition. These are easily the best looking Zombies but sometimes price and quantity trumps quality which can be especially true for the big hordes required for Zombies.
If 120 Zombies is going to cost €200 Mantics 117 for €120 looks the better deal.
DaveC wrote: Yeah you probably don’t want to exceed €30 for 24 Zombies or else your too close to the competition. These are easily the best looking Zombies but sometimes price and quantity trumps quality which can be especially true for the big hordes required for Zombies.
If 120 Zombies is going to cost €200 Mantics 117 for €120 looks the better deal.
It's impossible to sell the figures we created at the same price (or lower) than mantic. Simply their models are cheaper in production, lower of quality and they can offer them to a better price. We simply can't for the quality we are offering.
And in any case, i would like to tell a couple of things:
-1 we are not doing our production with the idea to sell figures for other games, these models are thought for our game, if people will buy them to play AOS or 9th age etc, we will be happy of course, but our intention is our new game
That seems a bit oblivious. We have seen nothing of the ruleset, nor are these anything other than 08/15 Zombies and foot soldiers.
That's what makes them perfect imo, as you can use them for whatever game system you want.
But believing your ruleset will be the main selling point for them...?
I don't think the absolute crap that Mantic produces is a very good place to start any sort of pricing discussion. For the aforementioned quality issues.
And in any case, i would like to tell a couple of things:
-1 we are not doing our production with the idea to sell figures for other games, these models are thought for our game, if people will buy them to play AOS or 9th age etc, we will be happy of course, but our intention is our new game
That seems a bit oblivious. We have seen nothing of the ruleset, nor are these anything other than 08/15 Zombies and foot soldiers.
That's what makes them perfect imo, as you can use them for whatever game system you want.
But believing your ruleset will be the main selling point for them...?
The rules will be ready for beta test during the campaign, we are working on because we would like offer something good for all the level of players: wargames with large battles with regimented units, wargamers that prefer a faster skirmish battle with less models and a good strategic use of the scenics on the table, and tabletop gamers that prefer to play with few but well customized models with their abilities.
It's not easy of course, we are trying to give gamers something with the taste of the past with our idea of wargaming. For example the movement will be the classic you have always used in past, but there will be easy way to do maneuvers. We created the concept of stamina for units to recreate the idea of tired soldiers during a battle (units that fight for more than one turn, units that use the march movement and other actions outside the usual actions will suffer lose of stamina points that once depleted give to the unit malus), we worked on a magic phase that avoid the extremely destroying spells of other games and let you choose to play the strategy you prefer (each magic will have its card and can be casted once upon a battle, with rules that give you a way to create your own deck of magics to use and penalties if you want launch a fire spell for example with a druid).
There will be a turn game based like: i go my movement phase, you go your movement phase, i go my shooting phase you go your shooting phase... and a contemporary turn about the losses: in each phase (like the shooting phase) you just need to sign the number of models death after failed savings, but you will remove them only at the end of the phase. So for example, my archers will shot to your unit of archers, killing 3 of them, but when it will be your moment to shoot, you unit will fire as full units, because only at the end of this phase the players will remove the losses by their units. In this way we think we solved the problem that who play first could be too much advantaged.
We also thought a new way for model skills to have a simpler and better balanced game, but these are all things that we will reveal forward.
And to be sure to obtain nice rules, we will ask to join to the playtest to all backers of our campaign.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Another preview of the models you will be able to assemble with the Living Dead Knights set
It's impossible to sell the figures we created at the same price (or lower) than mantic. Simply their models are cheaper in production, lower of quality and they can offer them to a better price. We simply can't for the quality we are offering.
I know I brought up the topic of price/amounts.
Firstly I wouldn't expect you to charge Mantic prices or less. They are often hit and miss.
However...
SlaveToDorkness wrote: I don't think the absolute crap that Mantic produces is a very good place to start any sort of pricing discussion. For the aforementioned quality issues.
Is just someone that hasn't seen or built some of the later releases.
My worry was the amount for zombies... 12.
Your own game may use 12's but I do think most people taking an interest here and on the FB adverts are looking at the models from the point of view of adding them to a game they already play. Many of those games use zombies in blocks of 20/40 even 60.
I can't see many people being quite so interested in buying 5 x €30 boxes to make a single unit.
IMHO the death knell of WFB was when you started to need multiple boxes to make a single unit.
Anyway, I hope the price/unit amounts work out well in the end as the models look great.
It's impossible to sell the figures we created at the same price (or lower) than mantic. Simply their models are cheaper in production, lower of quality and they can offer them to a better price. We simply can't for the quality we are offering.
I know I brought up the topic of price/amounts.
Firstly I wouldn't expect you to charge Mantic prices or less. They are often hit and miss.
However...
SlaveToDorkness wrote: I don't think the absolute crap that Mantic produces is a very good place to start any sort of pricing discussion. For the aforementioned quality issues.
Is just someone that hasn't seen or built some of the later releases.
My worry was the amount for zombies... 12.
Your own game may use 12's but I do think most people taking an interest here and on the FB adverts are looking at the models from the point of view of adding them to a game they already play. Many of those games use zombies in blocks of 20/40 even 60.
I can't see many people being quite so interested in buying 5 x €30 boxes to make a single unit.
IMHO the death knell of WFB was when you started to need multiple boxes to make a single unit.
Anyway, I hope the price/unit amounts work out well in the end as the models look great.
12 is perfect for Dragon rampant and i am sure i will buy a few boxes of the soldiers.
Funny how this project started out strong based on the renders, but every text post by the authors makes it sound more and more like it will be dead on arrival. This just isn't a world where you can launch a game of two factions at or close to modern GW pricing with a 90s GW design standard.
lord_blackfang wrote: Tale as old as time, historical company goes into fantasy when they notice they can charge more per figure
This is the first time I remember a company justifying it by telling us we were so good at using our model budgets more efficiently that they just had to charge more. The reward for doing more with less is paying more for less.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Yes, yes, I mean "fewer".
DaveC wrote: Yeah you probably don’t want to exceed €30 for 24 Zombies or else your too close to the competition. These are easily the best looking Zombies but sometimes price and quantity trumps quality which can be especially true for the big hordes required for Zombies.
If 120 Zombies is going to cost €200 Mantics 117 for €120 looks the better deal.
It's impossible to sell the figures we created at the same price (or lower) than mantic. Simply their models are cheaper in production, lower of quality and they can offer them to a better price. We simply can't for the quality we are offering.
What makes fantasy minis so much more expensive to produce than historical minis? Please be specific.
lord_blackfang wrote: Tale as old as time, historical company goes into fantasy when they notice they can charge more per figure
What makes fantasy minis so much more expensive to produce than historical minis? Please be specific.
A lot of things, for example definition of the sculpts, different sculpting work, more working hours, number of parts and accessories and more.
In past we released historical figures thanks to recycling parts of other plastic sets: otherwise it was impossible to release them. The new fantasy production will not follow this way and each plastic kit will have different parts from others (the torso of a northmen archer is different by the torso of a northmen warrior and so on) and of course this increase a lot the costs.
Who will join to our campaign will do that because think our figures are nice and wants some.
Who will not join our campaign because don't like our models, don't like our prices or other right reasons, will not do that. I think there is nothing of bad. But absolutely there will not be a change of the project to satisfy all the different opinions and wishes, it is simply impossible to do. This campaign will be the result of the best we can offer at the moment, if there will be enough people supporting us we will be happy to release these figures otherwise the project will be cancelled and we will continue to work on our usual market.
You have Steppe Warriors and mounted Mongols who share some parts with each other and no other kits. Their sculpting is heroic in scale, but nicely detailed. Historical prices.
You have (upcoming) zombies on foot and mounted that presumably share parts with each other and no other kits. Their sculpting is heroic in scale but nicely detailed. Way more expensive to produce somehow.
When I asked you to be specific it was because I really don't see why one set is so much more expensive than the other, and your answer did not clarify. Why do fantasy sculpts require more sculpting, longer hours and more parts/accessories?
And why are you going all out on Northmen kits? You already sell boxes of humans with appropriate gear that will directly compete with your fantasy humans. I don't see why you are sinking so many resources into a kit that will look unattractive next to your extant kits.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: You have Steppe Warriors and mounted Mongols who share some parts with each other and no other kits. Their sculpting is heroic in scale, but nicely detailed. Historical prices.
You have (upcoming) zombies on foot and mounted that presumably share parts with each other and no other kits. Their sculpting is heroic in scale but nicely detailed. Way more expensive to produce somehow.
A part that in my previous answers (and in the description of the box content) i told clearly that there will NOT be parts in common between the plastic boxes we are doing (so you are wrong when you say that our zombies will share parts with each other), the difference of the detail quality between the 2 examples you did, is tremendous. If you are not able to see that, i have no way to help you in understanding why there are different costs. Sorry mate.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: You have Steppe Warriors and mounted Mongols who share some parts with each other and no other kits. Their sculpting is heroic in scale, but nicely detailed. Historical prices.
You have (upcoming) zombies on foot and mounted that presumably share parts with each other and no other kits. Their sculpting is heroic in scale but nicely detailed. Way more expensive to produce somehow.
When I asked you to be specific it was because I really don't see why one set is so much more expensive than the other, and your answer did not clarify. Why do fantasy sculpts require more sculpting, longer hours and more parts/accessories?
And why are you going all out on Northmen kits? You already sell boxes of humans with appropriate gear that will directly compete with your fantasy humans. I don't see why you are sinking so many resources into a kit that will look unattractive next to your extant kits.
I do think it's a bit of a missed opportunity to have one of the two factions for the KS be humans when there is already pretty extensive range of humans. You even already have fantasy humans with your Albion knights and they'd be a natural opposition force for these new undead units. It would have been great to see well proportioned properly scaled dwarves instead. Too many companies make giant dwarves and if you made them scaled to your existing human range they'd use less material and you could pass on the savings with lower prices, killing two birds with one stone.
I do appreciate tailoring the KS more towards skirmish size games than mass battle games. Games like Lion Rampant and LotR are fun and easy to play with my kids in small space and reasonable timeframe and it's so much easier to collect a variety of warbands instead of full armies. I've passed on some KS projects that I thought were really cool but I can't justify buying 50 or 100 more miniatures to add the pile. It's only getting harder to keep my wife from noticing just how many plastic sprues of stuff I have hidden in closets throughout the house (although it's always nice when you're cleaning or looking for something else and you stumble across minis you totally forgot you owned).
BobtheInquisitor wrote: You have Steppe Warriors and mounted Mongols who share some parts with each other and no other kits. Their sculpting is heroic in scale, but nicely detailed. Historical prices.
You have (upcoming) zombies on foot and mounted that presumably share parts with each other and no other kits. Their sculpting is heroic in scale but nicely detailed. Way more expensive to produce somehow.
When I asked you to be specific it was because I really don't see why one set is so much more expensive than the other, and your answer did not clarify. Why do fantasy sculpts require more sculpting, longer hours and more parts/accessories?
And why are you going all out on Northmen kits? You already sell boxes of humans with appropriate gear that will directly compete with your fantasy humans. I don't see why you are sinking so many resources into a kit that will look unattractive next to your extant kits.
Bob, I think that Lord Ekard has already answered your questions as best he can. I will try to make a list of his answers as I understand them:
1) There will be more options/bits in their fantasy kits than their historical kits. Plastic mold makers often charge per cavity on the sprue. This makes the mold more expensive to tool. This is why Mantic originally did bare bones sprues with basically 1-2 options for their orcs.
2) There will be more body sculpts/poses than in their historical which typically only have five poses per box. We've already seen at least double that for the zombie kit. This makes the mold more expensive to tool.
3) The number of bits and their detail will also be greater than their historicals. Things which can be a visual suggestion at 28mm have to be fully detailed out at a more heroic scale. This costs sculptor time.
I do think it's a bit of a missed opportunity to have one of the two factions for the KS be humans when there is already pretty extensive range of humans. You even already have fantasy humans with your Albion knights and they'd be a natural opposition force for these new undead units.
Honestly we thought about, but we think that our fantasy sculpts are a lot better of our current fantasy range (that suffer a lot the old age of the design and the limit of recycling other older historical parts). We simply believe that our new fantasy models are better than our old Albion models (that will remain on the market and will be however inside our fantasy ruleset within our pegasus knights etc)
However, I must admit I don't see the difference in detail quality. But then, I love Bones, so maybe that's on me.
I'm no expert but is the detail in question the decay and damage on the zombies that is being sculpted onto the figures? Is it a matter of a normal breastplate costs less to sculpt/tool/cast because it's a flat surface whereas the zombie figure has a hole in the armor with intestines inside?
It seems natural to me that a fantasy kit would take longer to design than a historical kit (unless looking for absolute accuracy in an obsure part of history) because you need to (or should) spread your sources.
I would be happy paying 30€ for 24, and depending on the sprue 20€ for 12 would be okay, although at that price it is around the same price as GW.
lord_blackfang wrote: I think whatever Frostgrave is priced at is the maximum you can reasonably charge here.
I find the Frostgrave plastics to be on the outside of what I would pay for those kinds of models. I do, however, think that these new humans are far more detailed and have the right "aesthetic" (i.e. non-historical) for a fantasy setting. I tried and got rid of my historicals from Fireforge, they didnt look right.
I'll wait till these hit retail, and see what they're charging for how many. I use Perry's plastics as a comparison. If they're in that ballpark, then I usually buy several boxes, if they're Frostrgrave prices, I don't buy any. (That being said, if the Frostgrave Gnoll sculpts were better, I would have bought loads of them at any price, but, oh well.).
I am liking the looks of these. Its the prices that will decide. And I'm sure the KS will offer some value, but I'm not trusting the wait, and costs/value based on a KS are meaningless. Its retail that I follow nowadays. Too many bad KSs.
I'll wait for a scale photo that doesn't make GW and Perry minis look the same size. If the Northmen are closer to GW than to Perry, they'll be more attractive. Hopefully we'll see some scale shots with Conquest and Mantic's Vanguard plastics soon, too.
I need those zombie dogs!!! I needed some for a custom campaign a year or two ago and sculpted and cast my own. They came out pretty good and I can make as many as I need, but it would be nice to replace them with something really good.
I am happy with the increase of quality / design of those new fantasy sculpts.
I wouldn't mind an increase in price for your historical kits if it means that they would look so nice as those fantasy miniatures!
I'm quite surprised at the level of interrogation to be honest. Thought it was fairly plain from the pictures what a step up from the Fireforge's existing historical kits (which aren't bad by any means) these were and the heroic scaling makes them noticeably bigger too i.e. less sprue space.
I am happy with the increase of quality / design of those new fantasy sculpts.
I wouldn't mind an increase in price for your historical kits if it means that they would look so nice as those fantasy miniatures!
sockwithaticket wrote: I'm quite surprised at the level of interrogation to be honest. Thought it was fairly plain from the pictures what a step up from the Fireforge's existing historical kits (which aren't bad by any means) these were and the heroic scaling makes them noticeably bigger too i.e. less sprue space.
I did not find it plain. I have a bunch of Fireforge's minis, mostly Mongols, Knights and Foot Sergeants, and didn't notice any difference in quality at all. And stating that a closeup of a render looks plainly better than a production miniature doesn't really carry much weight. Or are you referring to the professionally painted Northmen minis?
Also, are they heroic scale? That scale shot makes them look smaller than the CMON mini and on par with Perry plastics and Perry Empire.
sockwithaticket wrote: I'm quite surprised at the level of interrogation to be honest. Thought it was fairly plain from the pictures what a step up from the Fireforge's existing historical kits (which aren't bad by any means) these were and the heroic scaling makes them noticeably bigger too i.e. less sprue space.
I did not find it plain. I have a bunch of Fireforge's minis, mostly Mongols, Knights and Foot Sergeants, and didn't notice any difference in quality at all. And stating that a closeup of a render looks plainly better than a production miniature doesn't really carry much weight. Or are you referring to the professionally painted Northmen minis?
Also, are they heroic scale? That scale shot makes them look smaller than the CMON mini and on par with Perry plastics and Perry Empire.
I'm referring to the finished models, not the renders. Don't see what the paint has to do with anything, while very solid high t tabletop jobs they're nothing extraordinary masking the sculpt (for better or worse).
Even without seeing them side by side with other products, just looking at them in relation to the base, they're clearly chunkier than existing Fireforge stuff. Add in hands that seem as big as faces (best demonstrated on the archer) and we're definitely looking at heroic scale.
Differences on the scale shot above seem very definitive to me. The CMON model is an outlier, a giant; both taller and broader even than the GW model which is definitely heroic scale. The FF Northmen are squatting a bit whcih loses them height and the Perry models are on more elvated basing. However, compare the Northman on the left to the FF historical figure next to him and his legs are nearly twice as wide. Northman next to the Perry models: trousered legs are thicker than armoured, chest is broader and head noticeably bigger. Isolated the photo and zoomed in a bit, held a ruler to the screen and the Northman chest is about 2.5 cm wide while the middle front Perry is about 1.7cm.
I remain overwhelmingly enthused. The initial sculpts look heroic chunky, and if they were in print, would be among my favorite ranges going. I'll definitely be dipping my feet into the KS, just release the darn thing, already!
That'll be where the real fun starts if I can mash all those parts together as well...
Hoping they're a bit taller than Frostgrave tbh, which they seem to be based on the comparison image that popped up that made them look similar in height to the GW Greatsword but in a wide-legged stance(ie, they're actually taller than the Greatsword). Though what would be nice would be a dead-on shot taken with a ruler next to the model, so we can see exactly.
To me they look scaled almost exacly to the GW Empire model, with slightly smaller hands (which is very welcome and in line with more modern GW stuff). The Perry sculpts look positively Elfin in comparison, as they should. I'm very much looking forward to this range and especially to seeing people incorporate them into their AoS armies. I've looked at Fireforge minis before as I like their sculpts in general, but the scale has kept me from buying them for use in fantasy games.
Dunno how many will end up in AoS armies given how hard they're trying to depart from anything even vaguely mundane in aesthetic terms, but the Bretonnians FB group will be fairly frothing for the Northmen I should think.
I can see a step up in quality. I like the previews so far. I like the aesthetic. The quantities in a box are fine for me. One box is a small squad, need a bigger regiment I will buy two boxes. Just waiting for the KS to see if the prices are reasonable. I don't expect them to sell 40 in a box for £20 like the Perry stuff. If they set a price at GW (12 for £25 to £30) level I would most likely skip it. Somewhere in between would be fine for me.
Thanks for the previews so far, keep going, knowing that many of us are excited and looking forward to the KS.
Huginn wrote: I can see a step up in quality. I like the previews so far. I like the aesthetic. The quantities in a box are fine for me. One box is a small squad, need a bigger regiment I will buy two boxes. Just waiting for the KS to see if the prices are reasonable. I don't expect them to sell 40 in a box for £20 like the Perry stuff. If they set a price at GW (12 for £25 to £30) level I would most likely skip it. Somewhere in between would be fine for me.
Thanks for the previews so far, keep going, knowing that many of us are excited and looking forward to the KS.
Ideally it would be something like 20 for £20 or £25.
I'm really hoping there will be pledge options that allow for some degree of pick & choose, rather than just whole army pledges. I don't need entire Northmen and Undead armies, but I'd like at least two each of the bowmen and basic zombies, and I want to support this to make sure it gets made.
@Yodhrin Usually, there is the "I want everything" pledge where you also get freebies, and the "I only want a couple of stuff" plegdes where you only pick what you want.
@Phobos Surely with some Freedom and bald eagle delivery. Or just like any other country ( exept North Korea maybe )
It is really nice to see two handed spear poses. Any chance of one alternate shield arm pose? It is nice to have some arms down or the shields held out away from the body (like in other Fireforge kits).
eflix29 wrote: @Yodhrin Usually, there is the "I want everything" pledge where you also get freebies, and the "I only want a couple of stuff" plegdes where you only pick what you want.
@Phobos Surely with some Freedom and bald eagle delivery. Or just like any other country ( exept North Korea maybe )
Lmao I mean will it be fulfilled from USA or from Europe?
This was the shipping arrangements for their Amazon’s KS
We have two warehouses to serve our customers, one in Europe and one in the United States. If the project will be founded we will be ready to ship the products anywhere in the world, with a tracked shipment where possible.
Shippings will be free for customers of European Community, United States, Canada and United Kingdom (still part of the EU for shipping therms).
We will be able to ship to Rest of the World countries at the cost of 15€ to add by paypal at the end of the campaign when we will contact you to send the invoice.
Whether that applies again or not we should know by the end of the week as they’ve said they’ll have the KS preview page by then.
Models look good, though I’m not sure we need yet another fantasy world and game rules. It seems to me that we are kind of saturated with game systems right now and even popular franchises are having a hard time competing. (Halo space battles, anyone)
I had promised myself no more buying models till I have all my current models painted, I hope I can get my Mongolians painted in time for the delivery date of the Kickstarter (which to be fair are in my experience usually delayed).
12 to a box is perfect for Dragon/Lion Rampant, hopefully the cavalry are 6 to a box.
judgedoug wrote: Holy crap I'm buying everything. I _wish_ the North Star Frostgrave soldiers/cultists/etc were of this quality!
The Oathmark human kit is up for preorder now. I like the Oathmark kits more than the Frostgrave kits.
I really hope there is a zombies only pledge for this KS. I have way too many humans to paint up already but I’d love to get my hands on all the zombies.
DaveC wrote: now that's how you do undead cavalry!
Those horses are also going to end up in some Hexwraiths as they match the new night haunt designs better.
Box sets contents are confirm at 12 Infantry or 6 Cavalry but they already said they will be cheaper than their current boxes due to lower figure count.
Anyone else thinking about making undead Centaurs?
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lord_blackfang wrote: Okay, not exactly historical prices, but not bad. €16 for 18 of the best HIPS zombies on the market is sweet as heck.
€16 for 12 Infantry or 6 Cavalry. EDIT - sweet there's 18 peasants! (teach me to actually look at the picture properly) things just a bit cheaper Given I was hoping for €15 so I can live with that. I'll probably go for the non game €128 pledge and add a few bits but I haven't had a proper look at the price comparison to the €144 starter set yet.
Characters models look great and 1 of each added to higher tiers when unlocked.
lord_blackfang wrote: Okay, not exactly historical prices, but not bad. €16 for 18 of the best HIPS zombies on the market is sweet as heck.
€16 for 12 Infantry or 6 Cavalry. EDItsweet there's 18 peasants! things just a bit cheaper Given I was hoping for €15 so I can live with that. I'll probably go for the non game €128 pledge and add a few bits but I haven't had a proper look at the [rice comparison to the €144 starter set yet.
Characters models look great and 1 of each added to higher tiers when unlocked.
Just seen that now thanks - even better, makes sense as there is no command frame for them so it's 3 sprues anyway. That puts the Living Dead Warriors 1 sprue under but it's balanced out by the Knights that have 4 sprues.
I think you will be much better off with a much lower goal amount that unlocks only the first northmen box and the first zombie box. It is much easier to eat an elephant one small bite at a time. Most people will see the huge funding level, realize it will never reach it, and leave. There have been a lot of small companies that have tried to eat the elephant all in one bite, and it never works.
Well I'll be in at Soldier to begin with since I was planning on getting four boxes anyway, but that could expand rapidly if they hit the fantastical race stretch goals and those are to my taste. The "Folk Rabble" is, I assume, a non-zombified version of the peasants, and I'd have one of those as well for sure(if it included non-zombified dogs and maybe even a couple of kids on the sprue as well, I might buy a couple).
I really appreciate that they're giving people free choice of boxes with each pledge level.
EDIT: Eh, I don't think that applies so much here Gallahad - Fireforge aren't GW size, but they've been producing plastic kits for years. This isn't some random startup venture with one or two dudes trying to leap right in to producing full plastic armies as their first project.
I will also be in for Soldier, I am a bit sad to see that the outside part of the shield arm of the northmen Infantry is flat though.
I also hope that the Fantasy Horses are wider than their historical horses. The Historical horses are fine height wise but they are a bit thin at the waste meaning they are hard to kit bash.
Those are some amazing prices for high quality fantasy sculpts in HIPS! Granted not many competitors in that field outside of GW (and Mantic... well at least they do fantasy sculpts in HIPS). I might have to buy some stuff I don’t need just to support these guys.
Yodhrin wrote: Well I'll be in at Soldier to begin with since I was planning on getting four boxes anyway, but that could expand rapidly if they hit the fantastical race stretch goals and those are to my taste. The "Folk Rabble" is, I assume, a non-zombified version of the peasants, and I'd have one of those as well for sure(if it included non-zombified dogs and maybe even a couple of kids on the sprue as well, I might buy a couple).
I really appreciate that they're giving people free choice of boxes with each pledge level.
EDIT: Eh, I don't think that applies so much here Gallahad - Fireforge aren't GW size, but they've been producing plastic kits for years. This isn't some random startup venture with one or two dudes trying to leap right in to producing full plastic armies as their first project.
Yodhrin, I hope you are right but momentum matters a lot in a Kickstarter campaign, and depending on what pledge levels people choose they will need roughly 2000-3000 backers before they will fund at the current level. Funding fast is very important for momentum, because it reduces the perceived "riskiness" of pledging. Even though people know that they won't be charged unless it funds, they act like they are charged when they pledge. This is why people drop before a campaign is done if campaigns get into trouble or stall.
Yodhrin wrote: Well I'll be in at Soldier to begin with since I was planning on getting four boxes anyway, but that could expand rapidly if they hit the fantastical race stretch goals and those are to my taste. The "Folk Rabble" is, I assume, a non-zombified version of the peasants, and I'd have one of those as well for sure(if it included non-zombified dogs and maybe even a couple of kids on the sprue as well, I might buy a couple).
I really appreciate that they're giving people free choice of boxes with each pledge level.
EDIT: Eh, I don't think that applies so much here Gallahad - Fireforge aren't GW size, but they've been producing plastic kits for years. This isn't some random startup venture with one or two dudes trying to leap right in to producing full plastic armies as their first project.
Yodhrin, I hope you are right but momentum matters a lot in a Kickstarter campaign, and depending on what pledge levels people choose they will need roughly 2000-3000 backers before they will fund at the current level. Funding fast is very important for momentum, because it reduces the perceived "riskiness" of pledging. Even though people know that they won't be charged unless it funds, they act like they are charged when they pledge. This is why people drop before a campaign is done if campaigns get into trouble or stall.
Gallahed is correct.
Kickstarters nowadays only succeed big if they offer an insane amount of freebies or are more boardgameesque.
Just today I bought Fireforge's plastic foot sergeants, $40 for 48 models, free shipping. It is strange to then be asked to buy in for half that value with a long wait, and I cover the shipping costs to boot. Not my kind of Kickstarter campaign.
frankelee wrote: Just today I bought Fireforge's plastic foot sergeants, $40 for 48 models, free shipping. It is strange to then be asked to buy in for half that value with a long wait, and I cover the shipping costs to boot. Not my kind of Kickstarter campaign.
Yes, it's the kind of Kickstarter campaign made for people who don't consider the scale & aesthetic of models interchangeable.
frankelee wrote: Just today I bought Fireforge's plastic foot sergeants, $40 for 48 models, free shipping. It is strange to then be asked to buy in for half that value with a long wait, and I cover the shipping costs to boot. Not my kind of Kickstarter campaign.
Yes, it's the kind of Kickstarter campaign made for people who don't consider the scale & aesthetic of models interchangeable.
That is one of the things I like best about these historical minis, though I have yet to experience any significant difference in scales with my collection. Did they rescale this fantasy line to not fit with their historical one then? I read it was 28mm, though they looked pretty close in height to old GW and Ice and Fire in their comparison pictures.
Yeah, they just look more inscale for AoS really. Which is why I'm considering grabbing some. Build my "Freeguild" style army with them and add some stuff to my undead. Those undead soldiers will make great grave guard.
frankelee wrote: Just today I bought Fireforge's plastic foot sergeants, $40 for 48 models, free shipping. It is strange to then be asked to buy in for half that value with a long wait, and I cover the shipping costs to boot. Not my kind of Kickstarter campaign.
yes, really nice, sadly their price is 45 us dollars and not 40
foot sergeants have not command option, haven't options to customize the models, have just 6 different poses and so much less than these new figures... it is not a good comparison
frankelee wrote: Just today I bought Fireforge's plastic foot sergeants, $40 for 48 models, free shipping. It is strange to then be asked to buy in for half that value with a long wait, and I cover the shipping costs to boot. Not my kind of Kickstarter campaign.
yes, really nice, sadly their price is 45 us dollars and not 40
foot sergeants have not command option, haven't options to customize the models, have just 6 different poses and so much less than these new figures... it is not a good comparison
Certainly, to all you say. I did buy them for $40, I didn't want to report it dishonestly though I realize MSRP might vary. Perhaps in the future the set can expand to include less customizable, less special box sets at normal prices, then people can mix in the fancier plastic pieces with the normal ones. Just an idea, though. I note a mildly combative tone in responses on here as well, I understand that's the norm for Dakka Dakka, but I do think it is to everyone's benefit to not assume another salt fight online when commenting. It doesn't help the conversation, it doesn't help the website, and it certainly doesn't help drive sales.
frankelee wrote: Just today I bought Fireforge's plastic foot sergeants, $40 for 48 models, free shipping. It is strange to then be asked to buy in for half that value with a long wait, and I cover the shipping costs to boot. Not my kind of Kickstarter campaign.
yes, really nice, sadly their price is 45 us dollars and not 40
foot sergeants have not command option, haven't options to customize the models, have just 6 different poses and so much less than these new figures... it is not a good comparison
Certainly, to all you say. I did buy them for $40, I didn't want to report it dishonestly though I realize MSRP might vary. Perhaps in the future the set can expand to include less customizable, less special box sets at normal prices, then people can mix in the fancier plastic pieces with the normal ones. Just an idea, though.
Maybe I'm reading wrong, but it seems you are suggesting that after this campaign we will decrease the quality of our fantasy kits. I think that if you will give a look to the story of Fireforge company, you will find that we don't work in this way: you will find that our company worked product by product with the intention of increase quality of our kits (in plastic and resin) or listening the requests from community (it's only for the continue requests by 9thage community if we started to do some fantasy models)
I note a mildly combative tone in responses on here as well, I understand that's the norm for Dakka Dakka, but I do think it is to everyone's benefit to not assume another salt fight online when commenting. It doesn't help the conversation, it doesn't help the website, and it certainly doesn't help drive sales.
I'm sorry for that, was not my intention, i just wanted to give well better informations, i don't know why you thought that, probably is due to my worst english (our first language is italian), i apologize for that
frankelee wrote: Just today I bought Fireforge's plastic foot sergeants, $40 for 48 models, free shipping. It is strange to then be asked to buy in for half that value with a long wait, and I cover the shipping costs to boot. Not my kind of Kickstarter campaign.
yes, really nice, sadly their price is 45 us dollars and not 40
foot sergeants have not command option, haven't options to customize the models, have just 6 different poses and so much less than these new figures... it is not a good comparison
Certainly, to all you say. I did buy them for $40, I didn't want to report it dishonestly though I realize MSRP might vary. Perhaps in the future the set can expand to include less customizable, less special box sets at normal prices, then people can mix in the fancier plastic pieces with the normal ones. Just an idea, though.
Maybe I'm reading wrong, but it seems you are suggesting that after this campaign we will decrease the quality of our fantasy kits. I think that if you will give a look to the story of Fireforge company, you will find that we don't work in this way: you will find that our company worked product by product with the intention of increase quality of our kits (in plastic and resin) or listening the requests from community (it's only for the continue requests by 9thage community if we started to do some fantasy models)
I note a mildly combative tone in responses on here as well, I understand that's the norm for Dakka Dakka, but I do think it is to everyone's benefit to not assume another salt fight online when commenting. It doesn't help the conversation, it doesn't help the website, and it certainly doesn't help drive sales.
I'm sorry for that, was not my intention, i just wanted to give well better informations, i don't know why you thought that, probably is due to my worst english (our first language is italian), i apologize for that
I think he ment other posters defending Fireforge and the KS rather than you, Eckard.
In fairness to them I think it's pretty plain from everything we've seen that comparing you historical kits to these is like comparing applles and pomegranates; i.e the new kits are a very different proposition and comparing them with your past offerings isnt a helpful way to judge the value they offer.
I like the interchangable nature of the kits. Especially the humans. It looks like I could easily mix and match from any of the archer/knight/infantry kits to build models which is great!
For one it makes me think of Jungle Ruins, or lost some kind of lost ancient civilization where as what we have seen so far looks like contemporary Humans vs contemporary zombies.
I would like to see the Forgotten World in the minis, not so much the humans but in the enemy at least. I think a name like 'Forgotten Evil' fits the theme better.
I would also love something more Italian, like World Forgotten, or Evil Forgotten.
A pic of the Rabble stretch goal Posted on Facebook
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"Wip of Folk Rabble plastic kit, that will be unlocked as stretch goal on our kickstarter in september. Do you like it? Join our campaign'
That folk rabble kit looks incredible and a segment woefully under represented in miniature. I'm very excited and will do my part to see it come to life.
We made some changes on our campaign to try to listen your feedbacks. We changed stretch goals adding the possibility to get the stretch goal characters in hard plastic instead of resin, adding the possibility to unlock a plastic set for living villagers (Folk Rabble). We did what we can to listen your requests and suggestions, now we can only ask for you help to share our project and to search more people joining this campaign to unlock everything.
We changed the pledge levels, that are the following:
€1 Supporter (to donate 1€ to project or to get one box and/or add-ons)
€15 Forgotten World Rulebook (1 copy of the rules A4 format, full colour, paperback and add-on access)
€32 Beginner (2 boxes of your choice and add-on access)
€48 Living Dead Horde (3 living dead boxes of your choice, FREE stretch goals of Living Dead characters when unlocked and add-on access)
€48 Northmen Detachment (3 northmen boxes of your choice, FREE stretch goals of northmen characters when unlocked and add-on access)
€64 Soldier (4 boxes of your choice, FREE stretch goal characters when unlocked and add-on access)
€96 Veteran (6 boxes of your choice, FREE stretch goal characters when unlocked and add-on access)
€128 LIMITED EARLY BIRD (8 boxes of your choice, FREE Kickstarter exclusive figures, FREE stretch goal characters when unlocked and add-on access)
€144 Forgotten World Starter Set - 108 models + tokens + rules (FREE Kickstarter exclusive figures, FREE stretch goal characters when unlocked and add-on access)
We changed also retailer pledges and uploaded Shipping infos and infos about our future set of rules.
Note:there are problems in seeing the campaign preview link by mobile devices
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"You will get them in plastic instead of resin at he same prices and conditions" is very unclear - it implies that the plastic kit will be €56? I assume it would be 2 sprues 1 Northern and 1 Undead and does it entirely replace the resin versions as free stretch goas?
I think it's a very good idea I'm just not clear on whats happening and costs.
DaveC wrote: link doesn't appear to be public yet?
EDIT: working now
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"You will get them in plastic instead of resin at he same prices and conditions" is very unclear - it implies that the plastic kit will be €56? I assume it would be 2 sprues 1 Northern and 1 Undead and does it entirely replace the resin versions?
I think it's a very good idea I'm just not clear on whats happening and costs.
and shipping as it was asked for earlier
Each character (except the ks exclusive figures) will be a stand alone plastic kit. The price is the same if you take as add-on them, it changes only that if we will unlock their plastic version, you will get them in plastic instead of resin.
Pledges who have access to Free Characters as Stretch goals will get the characters always for free but in plastic instead of resin if campaign will unlock their plastic version.
I'm totally in, but I have to say the main KS page is just too long. Most people will lose interest. I'd almost say, put the "starter set" pledge right at the top with a "Get all THIS! plus stretch goals!!! other pledge levels detailed below"
The additional value of including the SG characters in "lesser" batch pledges is really welcome and appreciated.
I agree with the others that a big honkin' "look at all the shiny!" image needs to be right up top where it can grab attention. I also think you need to put a lot of emphasis on the characters(people love their freebies) perhaps by moving the stretch goal progress image or a version of it with just the free character unlocks up to the top of the page just below the "big pledge" image.
I suggest changing the "Add Ons" section slightly to make it clearer that the characters are included, I had to go back and reread the characters & stretch goals section to reassure myself I could buy the KS exclusive figures with my Solider pledge if I wanted them.
A bit more information about the "Coupon" stretch goal would be good. Do we get one? One per unlocked extra faction? Is it just a code that backers can use to order as many boxes of those unlocked factions as we like at the KS price?
Otherwise, my only suggestion is to make sure that the campaign doesn't finish right before the end of the calendar month when a lot of folk get paid.
Yodhrin wrote: The additional value of including the SG characters in "lesser" batch pledges is really welcome and appreciated.
I agree with the others that a big honkin' "look at all the shiny!" image needs to be right up top where it can grab attention. I also think you need to put a lot of emphasis on the characters(people love their freebies) perhaps by moving the stretch goal progress image or a version of it with just the free character unlocks up to the top of the page just below the "big pledge" image.
I suggest changing the "Add Ons" section slightly to make it clearer that the characters are included, I had to go back and reread the characters & stretch goals section to reassure myself I could buy the KS exclusive figures with my Solider pledge if I wanted them.
we will work on
A bit more information about the "Coupon" stretch goal would be good. Do we get one? One per unlocked extra faction? Is it just a code that backers can use to order as many boxes of those unlocked factions as we like at the KS price?
We will explain them better. Coupons will work in this way: you will receive a coupon on our webstore when the product unlocked will be available for pre-order. Instead to pay the MSRP price, with your coupon you will be able to get the released products in any quantity you want at kickstarter price for your first order. And you will get a coupon for each stretch goal.
Example:
We will unlock Folk Rabble, the New Human Faction and the Orcs. You will receive 3 coupons.
When the products will be available you can get all the boxes you want for these released products at the kickstarter price. This will works also if the release will be in different months, for example June 2019 Folk Rabble, October 2019 the 2 new boxes of the new human faction. The coupons will work each one for the right stretch goal unlocked (with their products)
Otherwise, my only suggestion is to make sure that the campaign doesn't finish right before the end of the calendar month when a lot of folk get paid.
Campaign will for sure start after the 20 of september
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DaveC wrote: your current image has too many bowmen 24 versus 12 in the pledge.
a photoshop error in the making of the picture :( we are sorry for that
The human rabble has pushed me over the edge onto backing this one! I was leaning towards just waiting for retail but I need to get in on that rabble. All the stuff, both undead and alive, looks pretty great already but that kind of kit in particular has been needed for decades.
It has never been feasible to get a good looking peasant horde in Warhammer or KoW when we have to rely on lots of metal packs to form huge units, (and there hasn't even been a good selection of suitable models there either).
I'm holding off pledging on KS at the moment, but I wish you guys well and will definitely end up owning some of these. The biggest winners so far are the rabble townfolk --- you could fund the KS just based on those they're so useful for soooo many games. Nice stuff.
September 20 seems so far away. I am hoping to get the 8 box early bird. Right now I am thinking:
6 boxes of Warriors... to make
30 Spearmen
30 swords men
12 extra warriors for characters/ conversions etc
6 cavalry with lances
6 cavalry with swords
With 16 command Sprues I could make an- up armored command unit or some elite frostgrave guys
I had been planning on getting some undead, but may just get more warriors. Will definitely get 3 boxes of the Rabble... I hope this goes very well and they unlock the other Human faction boxes and the other races. Excited for this.
Smokestack wrote: A pic of the Rabble stretch goal Posted on Facebook
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"Wip of Folk Rabble plastic kit, that will be unlocked as stretch goal on our kickstarter in september. Do you like it? Join our campaign
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At last! Revolting Peasants! Who can also be used to represent a peasant rebellion
Have you guys considered leading with the human rabble, or moving them up earlier in the funding queue? Based on comments here they are shaping up to be real stars. Having them only unlock at a quarter of a million seems like it will be difficult to reach.
These look fantastic. Finally someone else making 28mm heroic horses. And fingers eternally crossed for some Bretonnian Grail Knight / Arthurian style cavalry replacements...
The new Peasants look amazing, I hope they will have the option of having some slightly less Heroic Axe heads though, something that looks more like a woodsman axe would be nice.
Agreed on moving the rabble up the list of unlocks as these are also getting a lot of attention on other forums.
I'm a bit confused by the add-on costs table though. I think you may have a typo in there as it lists the starter set as costing 144 euro at kickstarter and only 20 afterwards. I think you may want to fix that one
Samko wrote: The peasants looks great, but what are the many uses that you all have for them, RPG and ?
Well, mainly dozens of RPGs and boardgames that use NPCs, but also all sort of historical or scenario-driven wargames... they are generic enough to be used from medievals to 20th century, so with conversions you could get a whole lot out of them.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And reposted on rpg.net. I have a feeling they might find it interesting...
Just thinking on the Rabble and coupon you are not going to raise any additional funds for them in the KS just leaving them as later after KS purchase at a special price for backers anyone who wants just the rabble has no incentive to back now and then won't get the coupon either and backers have no reason to put in extra funds for them.
I understand that you can't tool them with the initial six but have you considered more than 1 wave of items and charging shipping separately for each wave? you'll get all those €16s a box upfront now including from those who just want the rabble and then you can ship them 3 months later and just collect the postage then. It would certainly help to raise the required €250,000 within the KS.
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sphynx wrote: These look fantastic. Finally someone else making 28mm heroic horses. And fingers eternally crossed for some Bretonnian Grail Knight / Arthurian style cavalry replacements...
It would be nice to see a comparison picture with the Northern Cavalry
Unfortunately IIRC the Albion Knights are just a conversion set for their historical Knights, so while they're OK if you plan to construct your whole army from historicals and don't really care about scale otherwise, if you like your models to remain consistent across armies or you have existing heroic fantasy models, IMO they don't fit as well. That said, I doubt we're going to get direct analogues for WHF, which is a shame, but I can understand why they'd want to give the impression that they intend these to be more than just proxies for a "dead" game, even if that's how most of us will end up using them.
Samko wrote: The peasants looks great, but what are the many uses that you all have for them, RPG and ?
historical wargames like Art de la Guerre to do mob infantry units, 9th Age to do pilgrims or other mod infantry units and more
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endtransmission wrote: Agreed on moving the rabble up the list of unlocks as these are also getting a lot of attention on other forums.
I'm a bit confused by the add-on costs table though. I think you may have a typo in there as it lists the starter set as costing 144 euro at kickstarter and only 20 afterwards. I think you may want to fix that one
was a mistake, sorry, the MSRP of the Starter Set will be €170
so while I know projects do offer them, the can get pulled/paused if KS spots them or somebody reports you so
I'd at least change the term you're using, maybe voucher, future discount or something similar
We will change them in a second wave release, so we will ship the 6 boxes for northmen and living dead first, and late 2019 the other plastic set will be unlocked by the campaign.
When the campaign will unlock the stretch goals, you will be able to add them as add-ons (also in late pledge). We will do 2 different shipments, one with the core boxes (starter sets and the 6 for northmen, living dead and characters) and another one with the unlocked plastic kits (like folk rabble etc)
I like those guys much more than the Northmen. Feels like you're opening an ice cream shop with only vanilla in stock, but posters for fudge brownie and chocolate chip cookie dough on the door as "coming soon".
Not sold on the new guys, I like the helms but dislike the lower half of the breastplate, I would prefer something along the lines of the Armour worn by the bad guys in the flashback scene with young Ned.
I also dislike the shoulders and upper arms, but I think the shoulder pads cannot be altered because of the undead 'Lion' Men at Arms, but altering the bars would be nice enough.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: No Bob, if they showed lizardmen than it would be equivalent to chocolate chip cookie dough aka the best ice cream ever.
Other human faction look good. I know I can get some use out of figures like that.
Not to derail the thread completely, but with the spare Oathmark snakemen heads, you can make almost any plastic kit into lizardmen. it's super easy, barely an inconvenience. (These were sci fi Mantic orx bodies.)
Pretty sure I could use Fireforge's Lion guys to whip up a Python Lannister with just a few snips.
I don't see how they could move it up any. I'm sure they need money to create a full new kit, and its the first one in the list of stretch goals. They aren't going to replace one of the six they need for the starter set.
Albino Squirrel wrote: I don't see how they could move it up any. I'm sure they need money to create a full new kit, and its the first one in the list of stretch goals. They aren't going to replace one of the six they need for the starter set.
Why couldn't they replace the foot soldier or Archer kits with the human rabble kit in the starter?
I guarantee that there are a lot of people who won't pledge until the thing they want is unlocked.
I'm backing to see the human rabble in plastic, but I'll back out if they aren't unlocked, since the rest of the kits are nice, but not must haves for me.
I'm on the same page as Gallahad. And I have so many darn unpainted models on my table, part of me really wants the peasants to not unlock (not really, but I think you may see what I mean)
Albino Squirrel wrote: I don't see how they could move it up any. I'm sure they need money to create a full new kit, and its the first one in the list of stretch goals. They aren't going to replace one of the six they need for the starter set.
Why couldn't they replace the foot soldier or Archer kits with the human rabble kit in the starter?
I guarantee that there are a lot of people who won't pledge until the thing they want is unlocked.
I'm backing to see the human rabble in plastic, but I'll back out if they aren't unlocked, since the rest of the kits are nice, but not must haves for me.
I think you kind of answered your own question. The people who want the rabble just want the rabble. People who want the boxed set want to have an army with soldiers. Assuming the rabble are playable in the game as part of the northmen faction, I guess it works, but might cause a balance issue with the box set contents. And even if it doesn't, I think you'd lose more people by not having some of the northmen units available at the start.
Albino Squirrel wrote: I don't see how they could move it up any. I'm sure they need money to create a full new kit, and its the first one in the list of stretch goals. They aren't going to replace one of the six they need for the starter set.
Why couldn't they replace the foot soldier or Archer kits with the human rabble kit in the starter?
I guarantee that there are a lot of people who won't pledge until the thing they want is unlocked.
I'm backing to see the human rabble in plastic, but I'll back out if they aren't unlocked, since the rest of the kits are nice, but not must haves for me.
I think you kind of answered your own question. The people who want the rabble just want the rabble. People who want the boxed set want to have an army with soldiers. Assuming the rabble are playable in the game as part of the northmen faction, I guess it works, but might cause a balance issue with the box set contents. And even if it doesn't, I think you'd lose more people by not having some of the northmen units available at the start.
Honestly, I would not really mind if the human rabble were to be left out of this KS completely and launched as an independent KS (where you could even add some more options to do people less at "burn the witch!" poses and more at "we're NPCs minding our own business" ones).
Albertorius wrote: Honestly, I would not really mind if the human rabble were to be left out of this KS completely and launched as an independent KS (where you could even add some more options to do people less at "burn the witch!" poses and more at "we're NPCs minding our own business" ones).
Fireforge Games
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Dear followers, Forgotten World Kickstarter campaign will start September 20th - 7.00 pm Rome time (10.00 am Los Angeles, 1.00 pm New York, 6.00 pm London; September 21st - 3.00 am for our australian friends from Sidney and sorry if some cities are missing). Join the campaign through the same link used as preview: https://www.kickstarter.com/proje…/fireforgegames/927490714…
Help us sharing the project, give that news to all your friends, help us to release these new plastic figures and we will give you a wonderful year of games
Great looking models but I'm getting a dreamforge vibe of them overextending a little too much. Seems like they have 2 kickstarters worth of models atm...
Commander Cain wrote: Great looking models but I'm getting a dreamforge vibe of them overextending a little too much. Seems like they have 2 kickstarters worth of models atm...
Dreamforge was one, albeit talented, bloke. Again, Fireforge are an established company who've been producing plastic kits for years. They have established relationships, they know how long it takes to tool a mold, how much it will cost them, and what they have to charge to make the project sustainable. There's no more reason for "vibes" about this project than you'd have about the umpteenth CMoN campaign with sacks of PVC figures in.
Commander Cain wrote: Great looking models but I'm getting a dreamforge vibe of them overextending a little too much. Seems like they have 2 kickstarters worth of models atm...
Dreamforge was one, albeit talented, bloke. Again, Fireforge are an established company who've been producing plastic kits for years. They have established relationships, they know how long it takes to tool a mold, how much it will cost them, and what they have to charge to make the project sustainable. There's no more reason for "vibes" about this project than you'd have about the umpteenth CMoN campaign with sacks of PVC figures in.
Fireforge is indeed an established company, so I have no doubt that they will deliver every stretch goal that is reached. My only fear is that there isn't enough demand for it. The mini's certainly look nice, but they need atleast more than 1000 backer to get it funded. Than another 1000 to get most of the stretch goals. If this kickstarter came two years ago I think it would have been a massive succes, but now... I don't know.. I certainly don't have much money to spare knowing what I need to set aside for what GW is planning to release in the near future... . Again at the end of Warhammer 8th edition this would have been perfect, but now.. .
Commander Cain wrote: Great looking models but I'm getting a dreamforge vibe of them overextending a little too much. Seems like they have 2 kickstarters worth of models atm...
Dreamforge was one, albeit talented, bloke. Again, Fireforge are an established company who've been producing plastic kits for years. They have established relationships, they know how long it takes to tool a mold, how much it will cost them, and what they have to charge to make the project sustainable. There's no more reason for "vibes" about this project than you'd have about the umpteenth CMoN campaign with sacks of PVC figures in.
Fireforge is indeed an established company, so I have no doubt that they will deliver every stretch goal that is reached. My only fear is that there isn't enough demand for it. The mini's certainly look nice, but they need atleast more than 1000 backer to get it funded. Than another 1000 to get most of the stretch goals. If this kickstarter came two years ago I think it would have been a massive succes, but now... I don't know.. I certainly don't have much money to spare knowing what I need to set aside for what GW is planning to release in the near future... . Again at the end of Warhammer 8th edition this would have been perfect, but now.. .
Now it's pretty much the only game in town, so I don't agree, but regardless what purpose does anticipating doom & gloom serve? It will fund or it won't, I hope it will, but that's life. The possibility it won't isn't the same as worrying that if it does, they won't be able to manage the project.
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Albertorius wrote: I'm... not a fan of Early Birds. Seems to me it penalizes people for not finding out stuff.
Me neither but it does seem to drive the funding early and with how big this campaign looks it is going to need it. Will through some money at it all the same though, have we had a comparison pic of the cavalry yet? I am wondering how compatible they will be with other bits as I would like to give them some javelins.
Albertorius wrote: I'm... not a fan of Early Birds. Seems to me it penalizes people for not finding out stuff.
Me neither but it does seem to drive the funding early and with how big this campaign looks it is going to need it. Will through some money at it all the same though, have we had a comparison pic of the cavalry yet? I am wondering how compatible they will be with other bits as I would like to give them some javelins.
when painters will send back to us the prototypes we will be able to sho comparative pics of the cavalry models