Those monsters look more like the Others than Cthulhu...
I see what is propably a Deep One.
Is that flying thing a Nightgaunt? Or Hunting horror (bit small for that)?
The big monster is King in Yellow? (robes make it look like the King and Hastur is one of the big baddies...)
The big mouthed thing with suction cups inside is a Star vampire?
The other monsters look too random to make a guess...
I already got all the Cthulhu monsters I will ever need with Cthulhu Wars though, so this game is not an instant buy for me. Still, I will check the KS when it comes.
Power Fantasy. AND Lovecraft?? Wut? That's not how proper lovecraftian anything works...
Well, at least it's fully co-op(so not a board control FFA game from CMON number 4). Minis are certainly better, than the ones out of Mansions of Madness, but I'm curious how the game will surpass the great MoM2ed.
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: Power Fantasy. AND Lovecraft?? Wut? That's not how proper lovecraftian anything works...
... I'm curious how the game will surpass the great MoM2ed.
It won't? I give them a lot of grief, but FFG understood (mostly) that a Lovecraftian anything needs to be about mood, tone, and narrative, moreso than anything else. Its a far from perfect game, but if the measure of success is "how Lovecraftian is it", no table-top game is going to beat Mansions of Madness 2.0 for a very long time.
Speaking of MoM, I'm certainly looking for miniatures I can use to replace those in MoM and other retail Cthulhu games, as well as use in the Call of Cthuhlu RPG.
Delta Green reminds me... you don't even need weapons although not every investigator equips himself with a yacht
"But Johansen had not given out yet. Knowing that the Thing could surely overtake the Alert until steam was fully up, he resolved on a desperate chance; and, setting the engine for full speed, ran lightning-like on deck and reversed the wheel. There was a mighty eddying and foaming in the noisome brine, and as the steam mounted higher and higher the brave Norwegian drove his vessel head on against the pursuing jelly which rose above the unclean froth like the stern of a daemon galleon. The awful squid-head with writhing feelers came nearly up to the bowsprit of the sturdy yacht, but Johansen drove on relentlessly. There was a bursting as of an exploding bladder, a slushy nastiness as of a cloven sunfish, a stench as of a thousand opened graves, and a sound that the chronicler would not put on paper. For an instant the ship was befouled by an acrid and blinding green cloud, and then there was only a venomous seething astern; where—God in heaven!—the scattered plasticity of that nameless sky-spawn was nebulously recombining in its hateful original form, whilst its distance widened every second as the Alert gained impetus from its mounting steam."
It's a bad photo, but it looks more like a ghoul to me. I'd love to see CMON do some great-looking Deep Ones, though.
Col Hammer wrote: Is that flying thing a Nightgaunt? Or Hunting horror (bit small for that)?
Neither, I'd say. Unless artistic license extends to an elephant trunk and tusks.
Col Hammer wrote: The big monster is King in Yellow? (robes make it look like the King and Hastur is one of the big baddies...)
Interesting! I'd thought it might be a creative take on Shub-Niggurath, given the burgeoning vaginal stuff going on in the base. But King in Yellow definitely works with the robed figure and Hastur.
Col Hammer wrote: The big mouthed thing with suction cups inside is a Star vampire?
Works for me.
Col Hammer wrote: The other monsters look too random to make a guess...
I already got all the Cthulhu monsters I will ever need with Cthulhu Wars though, so this game is not an instant buy for me. Still, I will check the KS when it comes.
It doesn't look much like they're doing Cthulhu classic monsters yet, would seal the deal for me despite Cthulhu Wars, because CMON's sculpts and casting would be far superior to Cthulhu Wars.
The details on those sculpts do not look crisp enough for PVC production. Adrian Smith cultist artwork looks great, but those sculpts tell me they have a newbie to sculpting for PVC production doing the sculpting.
You can see where they've been spray coated, most likely resin master/prints. There's some shallow/fine detail there alright that may not transfer well to PVC. It's surprising as Mike McVey is overseeing this one and he's got a good handle on miniatures for PVC production over the last few projects he's overseen.
So they've posted the pic of the Hulking Horror mini which looks really nice, but all I can see is the Lovecraft inspired monster from the title credits of Rick and Morty
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CMON teased a StarCadia standalone, without mentioning a KS date (and has mentioned Munchkin Arcadia Quest), so keep your tentacles crossed DMD will be their next KS, possibly at the end of the month...
The monsters look great. Most of the detail won't show at scale, but they will still look great with a good paint job. This is the game Adrian Smith was born to illustrate.
This is going to be an expensive summer!
It doesn't look like the human size minis will turn out very well unfortunately. Detail on axe girl's hair is too shallow, and her foot is turned the wrong way. Cultist detail looks way too shallow and soft.
Something that needs bringing up is the designer, Eric Lang, is really well regarded amongst game designers and has a brilliant track record.
He's worked on the forthcoming Game of Thrones miniature game, but a host of others: Arcadia Quest, Blood Rage (& Rising Sun), The Others, Quarriors and the Star Wars card game.
For the purposes of this forum he has also designed a number of GW licensed games: Warhammer 40,000 Conquest, Warhammer Invasion & Chaos in the old world.
Also two of my favourite board games of all time (X-Com and Spartacus: Blood on the Sands) so anything this guy is designing automatically has my interest!
Yep. BGG has *really* well-received Rising Sun and AQ, although RS is more of a hybrid Ameritrash / Eurogame, than DMD and The Others, which fall into Ameritrash.
Anyway, CMON's announced the date! July 10th, 3pm EST! : "Death May Die comes to Kickstarter on July 10 at 3 PM EST. The new game from CMON and Guillotine Games combines the creative talents of Eric M. Lang and Rob Daviau."
The Star Spawn looks straight up recycled from Zombicide:Invader.
It is becoming clear that I just don't like Adrian Smith as an art director, which is too bad, but I guess it will save me a bunch of cash on future CMoN games.
Artistically not really feeling a lot of the design but if the game play is there I might be able to look past that. Will have to see how it all comes together mechanically....
Not surprisingly, if you liked his work in Zombicide: Invader, etc. you'll like it here. If not, then you won't. I didn't like ZI, and I'm not impressed here. At least we have a clear idea of what his style of monsters look like.
ecurtz wrote: It is becoming clear that I just don't like Adrian Smith as an art director, which is too bad, but I guess it will save me a bunch of cash on future CMoN games.
He's the guy that did art direction for The Others, right? I thought that game had great art design. Wasn't impressed by Zombicide Invader though. This one seems closer to The Others in style though. I'm not feeling it as much, but I think the problem is encountering all the miniatures by themselves, devoid of the game elements and art. By themselves, they are okay, even good, but they lack the impact they would have within the greater context.
Sqorgar wrote: He's the guy that did art direction for The Others, right?
Yeah. The problem was most of the Others monsters were very samey, out of 7 flavors, maybe only 3 distinct designs. These look more Invader than Others, heads are almost an exact match in style.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Yeah. The problem was most of the Others monsters were very samey, out of 7 flavors, maybe only 3 distinct designs. These look more Invader than Others, heads are almost an exact match in style.
I thought the monsters were fine - there were three different designs for each Sin and they were thematically distinct, not to mention the apocalypse expansion and the hellfire club characters. Plus, he also did the heroes and acolytes, which I thought were awesome.
I dunno. If we were to pile all of the different Others, Invader, and DmD monsters together, and ask a newbie to sort them into the various piles correctly, I think they would fail pretty badly.
OTOH, if we were to ask the same of a pile of GW40k and AoS, I think a newbie would do fine. Aside from sub-flavors of Spaz Marinz, which are kinda samey.
JohnHwangDD wrote: I dunno. If we were to pile all of the different Others, Invader, and DmD monsters together, and ask a newbie to sort them into the various piles correctly, I think they would fail pretty badly.
OTOH, if we were to ask the same of a pile of GW40k and AoS, I think a newbie would do fine. Aside from sub-flavors of Spaz Marinz, which are kinda samey.
In 40K and AoS they share chaos daemon miniatures...so, not a very good example to use, imho
Others/Invader/DmD -> tentacles a common theme
40K/AoS -> skulls a common theme
Looking forward to see how this game turns out. I don't have a game set in this "time period" yet.
Heroes have already gone mad and are fighting hordes of invading monsters? I have this game already with Planet Apocalypse (or will have when it deliveres).
JohnHwangDD wrote: Pretty sure Chaos Daemons are a separate alllied force, and sortable separate by power from CSM, Cultists, Warriors and/or Beastmen.
Oh, to separate monsters within its own game line? Then that is pretty easy to do that within these CMON board games, imho...
It's a better 3D rendition of Cthulhu than I've ever seen, but the whole point is that Cthulhu isn't entirely there in the traditional four dimensions, and occupies space in a few others. Granted, that's tricky to sculpt, but I've seen plenty of glass-makers doing klein-bottles and the like so there's less excuse for doing it right.
Also, learned some cool things in this thread about the designer.
I wonder how much that thing will cost. $100? $250? My wife would kill me, but it could probably double as a lawn ornament for Halloween. She has Garden Gnomes, So I could have a Garden Cthulhu... right?
Mysterio wrote: Many Kickstarters with minis these days seem to feel like they need that mega-showcase model.
That may be what this is - and it may represent the 11th hour, because honestly, if Cthulhu is stomping about, it must be close to "Game Over" time!
I think this goes past even that mega-showcase model scale though. The base seems to be thicker than a human sized figures height?
How is this figure used in the game? "Ok guys, looks like we failed to stop the ritual and lost the game. Put the big Cthulhu on the table and we can all go out and grab something to eat. gg."
I know this figure is meant to grab my attention and make the game a must buy, but it actually seems to have an opposite reaction for me... I still will check the KS though. Maybe this was just a joke and that figure is some kind of 3 up figure and the real figure will be there times smaller. Still big, but not way too big.
I like big figures, but that's just too... big. I hope it's a three up or something.
It doesn't look like it would even be manageable to fit on a board, or anything really, besides a shelf where it will most likely reside if it's included with a pledge.
Is it wrong of me to hope for some sort of 7 Sins crossover rules though?
What I think would be great is they provide two scales of that model with rules. One is the "gamer's edition" with a smaller scale of that miniature and then that huge monstrosity as a "collector's edition"
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Much as it looks cool shipping on that isn't going to be friendly so I hate to say it but I hope it's an optional extra
They confirmed on Facebook that it's an optional buy. It was sculpted by Remy Tremblay
I might still be tempted but given that we might have brexited by delivery time and be relying on prehistoric farming and barter to get by having a choice is excellent news
The amount of itty bitty paint pots needed to give that two thin coats...
does not stop me from thinking I must have it! At last a properly scaled Cthulhu. Now all we need is a fish tank filled with water and a scale model boat to ram him in the head with!
Maledrakh wrote: At last a properly scaled Cthulhu. Now all we need is a fish tank filled with water and a scale model boat to ram him in the head with!
That model looks to be something like 18" tall. I keep a fish, and off the top of my head, such a fish tank would be something like 40-50 gallons, bur probably needs to be 100 gallons.
A better choice would be to play with it in the bath tub.
THIS, thing?..is an ugly waste of resin, Ugh and FAR TOO BIG!
That's a hard pass for me...
I may well back the KS, grab the boxed sets, remove the 3-4 minis I like, plonk the rest on eBay,. and still make $50 (Green Hordes netted me 3 minis and $50 bonus)
Project live and massive Cthulhu has already sold out (limited to 250 copies). Perhaps will be adding more later but campaign page does say it’s extremely limited due to production issues.
They have added (and sold out of) several more pledge levels including the massive Cthulhu but the delivery date for each subsequent one is a month later. Seems they are limited to only producing 100 per month in house.
Yeah... the later pledge level gets to pay +40 dollars more and get their game 7 months later than the others (altough I'm sure they will get the GAME same time as the rest and it's just the Bigthulhu that they have to wait for?)
Anyway, made me LOL....
Oh, also, Cthulhu IS NOT the thing that should not be! That would be Nyogtha...
Yeah, this is some serious BS. I imagine the game will ship at the same time for everyone, it isnt like they're going to want it sitting in their warehouses for 8 months...
This looks like it is following the model of adding endless investigators as stretch goals. That is too bad. I hoped for more gribbling horrors, but I bet at least a few more show up at some point.
I think they underestimated both the demand for the Cthulhu statue, and how much you can burn people who show up 30 mins later to a campaign without having them turn on you.
You'd think maybe they'd hire someone just to make these, what with the $250,000+ it brought in. Or like more machinery, or molds, or something... Nope, apparently all they can manage is the slowest caster in the universe crapping out 3 a day.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: You'd think maybe they'd hire someone just to make these, what with the $250,000+ it brought in. Or like more machinery, or molds, or something... Nope, apparently all they can manage is the slowest caster in the universe crapping out 3 a day.
That stuff costs money, yo! They gots stockholders to feed! Won't someone think of the bottom line?
With stretch goals only to the halfway point so far...
My guess is they'll pile in all the extra heroes early, perhaps with some extra plastic tokens, then when things slow down, slowly dole out all the cool monsters.
After all, who wants another regular human when this hits the 24hour mark rather than more crazy monsters?
Still hope for some sort of Others crossover at some point.
The option to bring over some of the characters and creatures from The Others (and vice versa) would be a big selling point for me here.
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They have something like 3,000 orders paying $150 each. That's $450k, and likely to keep growing. They can afford the mold with the minimum 5000 unit production volume
Wait until they release expected shipping costs for Bigthulu later in the campaign, that should release a number of the limited pledges so hopefully you can grab one and up the queue.
Aeneades wrote: Wait until they release expected shipping costs for Bigthulu later in the campaign, that should release a number of the limited pledges so hopefully you can grab one and up the queue.
A person who's willing to drop an extra $150 on a bigthulu is going to pay the extra $30 to ship it.
Aeneades wrote: Wait until they release expected shipping costs for Bigthulu later in the campaign, that should release a number of the limited pledges so hopefully you can grab one and up the queue.
A person who's willing to drop an extra $150 on a bigthulu is going to pay the extra $30 to ship it.
$30 in the US. Probably $60-70 in other parts of the world.
Honestly, I'm worried that bigthulhu will be a ball and chain around CMON's ankle. Big miniatures just seem to bring a special curse (see the saga of the heresy dragon, the creature caster debacle, etc.). This guarantees that in every CMON campaign launched between now and 2023 there will be people in the comments going "where is my Cthulhu statue? Why are you spending money on this instead of producing the Cthulhu statue I paid for two years ago?" Etc. Also, think about the poor sod whose whole job will be casting these things for the next 4 years...
The reaper 5-headed plastic dragon (very large) is being sold at retail price for $150 while the resin version is $700. I think the Reaper dragon and CMON mega-cthulhu are comparable in size, so fairly confident it is going to be plastic.
Not that big of a Cthulhu fan to get that expansion...hoping rules/gaming components minus that sculpture will be available as a Stretch Goal or add-on...especially when they call it the "finale" of the game.
I have hope for the rest of the campaign, and I'm turning into a perpetually grumpy backer/unbacker, but this is shaping up to be another campaign loaded with the things nobody wants (buckets of investigators) while they keep all the cool stuff people actually want for add-ons (monsters). I understand this approach, but it is starting to really rub me the wrong way as a customer.
This same approach (among other issues) made me drop my pledge for Solomon Kane, and we seem well on our way to me dropping my pledge for this one too. To make matters worse, CMON is currently asking for 130k to add a single investigator miniature to the core...
The more backers that get more free stuff the more it costs. Reaper had in one if their kickstarters a post about how they had to deal with that and why some of the free SG where hundreds of thousands between. Part of that was they purposefully had smaller SG at the start to build hype hoping/knowing that later on in the campaign they'd be able to pay that off. There are other considerations too outside of just "the mold is already done and the plastic is .05 for the figure" like packaging, handling at the factory, shipping from the factory and other costs that are added for every extra figure per extra backer.
Monkeysloth wrote: The more backers that get more free stuff the more it costs. Reaper had in one if their kickstarters a post about how they had to deal with that and why some of the free SG where hundreds of thousands between. Part of that was they purposefully had smaller SG at the start to build hype hoping/knowing that later on in the campaign they'd be able to pay that off. There are other considerations too outside of just "the mold is already done and the plastic is .05 for the figure" like packaging, handling at the factory, shipping from the factory and other costs that are added for every extra figure per extra backer.
Naturally, but we didn't get this size of stretch goals until the 10000+ backers mark in previous campaigns. Even at 10000 backers, it is hard to fathom that a single miniature adds $13 per box of costs to CMON. If you believe that then you believe that the core box is costing them $650+ per box. $130k is an absurd goal size for this point in the campaign when you do the numbers.
JoeRugby wrote: The Kickstarter refers to It as a plastic statue already, where did resin come from?
I’m torn on pledging if they stick to the we can only maKe 100 per month thing it won’t be until April 2022 before I’d get my bigthulu.
Just assumptions due to the slow production cost. Resins can be plastics ala restic that Privateer and Mantic use as well as troll cast.
Big Cthulhu is PVC, said so in the comments.
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JohnHwangDD wrote: CMoN is "100 minis for $100" for $1M raised. That is their model. It's a good one, too. Until the total deal has minis under $1 each, they're good.
I google image searched your avatar, disappointed...
Aeneades wrote: Wait until they release expected shipping costs for Bigthulu later in the campaign, that should release a number of the limited pledges so hopefully you can grab one and up the queue.
A person who's willing to drop an extra $150 on a bigthulu is going to pay the extra $30 to ship it.
$30 in the US. Probably $60-70 in other parts of the world.
The overseas shipping is what I was referring to. The most recent update has estimates for Bigthulhu alone and the us shipping is for the most part very reasonable but some countries are over $100. I’m looking at $55 for the UK.
According to the Community page 4,067 of the 9,312 backers are from the US. Germany is next with 704 and UK at 663.
Brexit is a big worry for me in respect if shipping and import charges so may end up selling pledges if Brexit goes badly. At the moment these projects are EU friendly which means lower shipping and no tax, leaving the customs union could lead to a hefty tax increase if companies move distribution hubs outside of the UK (CMON use a UK hub for all EU shipments at the moment but suspect that will change if no deal reached).
If the UK leaves the EU, "EU-friendly" won't apply, as it becomes a Force Majeure situation that CMoN won't have to honor - the UK leaving the EU is completely outside CMoN's control. I doubt smaller companies like CMoN are going to retain UK hubs, etc to support EU customers if Brexit actually happens like it was supposed to when your pols were beating the Brexit drum prior to the vote. OTOH, if Brexit is only in name, it'll be fine.
Dragon -- er, Dagon -- sculpt looks rather nice. Not the classic oversized frogman, but CMON's not going with the classic mythos look, so far. Comes with multiple teeny tiny eyes.
"Dagon's Mythos cards can transform Cultists into Deep Ones and "spends" Innsmouth Look tokens on investigators to hinder them permanently (by locking out a high level skill of their choice, putting a wound token on it, turning their companions into Deep Ones, etc). When Dagon is finally summoned, he starts pulling players towards Deep One monsters (which also makes other enemies follow) and he starts flooding spaces if left alone too long, possibly drowning the entire map."
I like him. He and the Cthonic are both great takes on monsters already well served in the miniature market. Cthulhu, on the other hand...I wasn't the biggest fan of the Reaper Cthulhu, but it beats the Adrian Smith version hands down.
Even if you were, I don't see why someone would get this game, rather than Cthulhu Wars or Arkham Horror. Both of those are absolutely fantastic games, and of course chock full of gribbly goodness
That said, the sculpt posted above looks quite good! But most of them left me a bit unimpressed, especially the 2 foot tall Cthluhu...
RiTides wrote: Even if you were, I don't see why someone would get this game, rather than Cthulhu Wars or Arkham Horror. Both of those are absolutely fantastic games, and of course chock full of gribbly goodness
That said, the sculpt posted above looks quite good! But most of them left me a bit unimpressed, especially the 2 foot tall Cthluhu...
All dem Call of Cthulhu minis you get, which when priced compared to FFG, are so cheap you can't afford not to buy them!
Man, comparing this one to the amount of content offered in say, The Others, it feels obvious they were really expecting it to do more. The stretch goal spacing is up to $260k JUST for Dagon, compared to about $100k for the sin/controller/minions. That or margins must be a lot lower on bigthulhu and they're trying to make up lost profits.
$150 for bigthulu is plenty enough to make the thing, particularly with 5,000 preordered. That's $750k, which will cover plastic mold easily. It's not one-off, it's mass production. Probably PVC
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Man, comparing this one to the amount of content offered in say, The Others, it feels obvious they were really expecting it to do more. The stretch goal spacing is up to $260k JUST for Dagon, compared to about $100k for the sin/controller/minions. That or margins must be a lot lower on bigthulhu and they're trying to make up lost profits.
I've become convinced that almost nothing about big campaigns like this is real, meaning they know from day 1 what is going in the box, and outside of super extreme limits, the box contents don't change. They just spread out the goals according to some formula to maintain interest, and drop add-ons as needed.
Backer feedback has almost no impact, the actual amount raised doesn't matter (outside of extreme limits), backer count doesn't matter, etc. They are just inviting you to get on the ship long after it has sailed.
I wouldn't be surprised if this one has a built in margin in case boardgames end up on the Trump extra tariff list
with a full trade war with China looking more rather than less likely a business that can hedge against it (and pocket the extra if it doesn't happen) probably will
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Man, comparing this one to the amount of content offered in say, The Others, it feels obvious they were really expecting it to do more. The stretch goal spacing is up to $260k JUST for Dagon, compared to about $100k for the sin/controller/minions. That or margins must be a lot lower on bigthulhu and they're trying to make up lost profits.
I've become convinced that almost nothing about big campaigns like this is real, meaning they know from day 1 what is going in the box, and outside of super extreme limits, the box contents don't change. They just spread out the goals according to some formula to maintain interest, and drop add-ons as needed.
Backer feedback has almost no impact, the actual amount raised doesn't matter (outside of extreme limits), backer count doesn't matter, etc. They are just inviting you to get on the ship long after it has sailed.
Most likely quite true. I think they may swap around goals and change up as paid add-on vs free goal based on how the campaign is doing, This one feels like it stalled more out of the gates than is typical though.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Man, comparing this one to the amount of content offered in say, The Others, it feels obvious they were really expecting it to do more. The stretch goal spacing is up to $260k JUST for Dagon, compared to about $100k for the sin/controller/minions. That or margins must be a lot lower on bigthulhu and they're trying to make up lost profits.
I've become convinced that almost nothing about big campaigns like this is real, meaning they know from day 1 what is going in the box, and outside of super extreme limits, the box contents don't change. They just spread out the goals according to some formula to maintain interest, and drop add-ons as needed.
Backer feedback has almost no impact, the actual amount raised doesn't matter (outside of extreme limits), backer count doesn't matter, etc. They are just inviting you to get on the ship long after it has sailed.
Most likely quite true. I think they may swap around goals and change up as paid add-on vs free goal based on how the campaign is doing, This one feels like it stalled more out of the gates than is typical though.
I thought this was pretty well known. Reaper has admitted in the past. Monolith has now as well. While CMoN hasn't this is a line of discussion that's been going on about their KSers for several years.
You'd think maybe they'd hire someone just to make these, what with the $250,000+ it brought in. Or like more machinery, or molds, or something... Nope, apparently all they can manage is the slowest caster in the universe crapping out 3 a day.
Sometimes no matter how much money you throw at a big problem, it still won't make it any faster.
Unless they make several molds of this monstrosity, I'd be very surprised if a crew of 3 could cast 3 flawless statues like that. Just think about how much time and money gets wasted each time the cast has bubbles, or a part didn't fill, etc.
When you actually see and do some casting, you can understand that working on something like this would be a frigging nightmare.
I do not envy anyone that has to produce this thing. They have their work cut out for them.
As for it being $150? That's a screaming deal.
Unless they make several molds of this monstrosity,
That's exactly what they said they are doing...
Q: Why were there different prices for the initial limited quantity R'lyeh Rising pledges?
A: The production process for the giant Cthulhu is quite different from our normal figures. It uses a rotating mold that deteriorates much faster. This means the mold needs to basically be redone after every hundred or so figures are produced. To account for that, we slightly raised the price of extra batches of the giant Cthulhu. We honestly didn't expect such a massive interest in the piece, though. So with the unlimited pledge we were able to stabilize the cost since economy of scale really starts to kick in when we have thousands of orders, offsetting the extra mold costs.
Q: If you can produce only a couple hundred giant Cthulhu a month, how long will it take you to deliver to all backers with the unlimited R'lyeh Rising ($250) pledge?
A: The slower production time we originally expected was based on a production method geared toward meeting a very limited demand. The overwhelming interest for the giant Cthulhu will allow us to change the production process, creating multiple simultaneous molds in order to achieve a much greater output, and deliver to all backers not much later (and possibly even earlier) than the delivery estimates.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Man, comparing this one to the amount of content offered in say, The Others, it feels obvious they were really expecting it to do more. The stretch goal spacing is up to $260k JUST for Dagon, compared to about $100k for the sin/controller/minions. That or margins must be a lot lower on bigthulhu and they're trying to make up lost profits.
I've become convinced that almost nothing about big campaigns like this is real, meaning they know from day 1 what is going in the box, and outside of super extreme limits, the box contents don't change. They just spread out the goals according to some formula to maintain interest, and drop add-ons as needed.
Backer feedback has almost no impact, the actual amount raised doesn't matter (outside of extreme limits), backer count doesn't matter, etc. They are just inviting you to get on the ship long after it has sailed.
Most likely quite true. I think they may swap around goals and change up as paid add-on vs free goal based on how the campaign is doing, This one feels like it stalled more out of the gates than is typical though.
I thought this was pretty well known. Reaper has admitted in the past. Monolith has now as well. While CMoN hasn't this is a line of discussion that's been going on about their KSers for several years.
I have only gotten in on big KS campaigns in the last year or so. I guess I just had to experience it myself to believe it.
Another way the CMoN normally functions is their KSers fund part of next one not just the current one. This is why art, rules, sculpts and such are all done by the time the KSer launches.
JohnHwangDD wrote: If the UK leaves the EU, "EU-friendly" won't apply, as it becomes a Force Majeure situation that CMoN won't have to honor - the UK leaving the EU is completely outside CMoN's control. I doubt smaller companies like CMoN are going to retain UK hubs, etc to support EU customers if Brexit actually happens like it was supposed to when your pols were beating the Brexit drum prior to the vote. OTOH, if Brexit is only in name, it'll be fine.
You can't really claim Higher Power when it's been known for years.
I imagine some of those investigators were going to be stretch goals before the funding slowed to a crawl and they dumped them in the paid add-on instead. 11 is a ton to be in any expansion.
The core box here is still looking pretty anemic, which means we likely have a bunch left to add to it before the campaign is over! I'm surprised by the pretty restrained number of add-ons.
Probably the next expansion will have Ancient Ones. So far, we only have Cthulhu, Hastur, and Father Dagon. Mother Hydra, Yog-Sothoth, Nyarlathotep, Shub-Niggurath, Ithaqua... plenty more AO's in the mythos.
EDIT: $25 Black Goat expansion announced. See the comments for a discussion of this "avatar of pan or satan" version vs. the classic one.
Man, with 13 hours to go, this one is going out on a whimper. It has really felt like CMON is just phoning it in on this one. The core box is not very exciting currently. I'll likely wait until the pm to decide.
I think the designs of the last few creatures haven't played well with fans (both the black goat and Yog Soggoth), including me.
Monkeysloth wrote: Another way the CMoN normally functions is their KSers fund part of next one not just the current one. This is why art, rules, sculpts and such are all done by the time the KSer launches.
Isn't that the function of Kickstarters, in theory, to provide cash to kickstart a business rather than just a pre-order system?
Didn’t even realise it was ending today and I have been reading all the backer updates. It almost feels like they don’t really care about this game and are just doing a quick Kickstarter to get some money back rather than scrapping it.
I love Lovecraft so this should be a big hit with me but the monster designs seem off and the heroes uninspiring. I have the cheapest and earliest giant Cthulhu pledge level though so will probably still give it a shot. Hopefully next stretch goal will be better.
I'm with you guys. This has been a phoned in campaign. Not even many add ons which is a surprise for CMON.
They had a ton of hype due to the giant statue and things have really seemed to just simmer rather than be really fired up.
Can't complain about all the investigators, I guess? Really would have preferred more monsters, but I guess that's what nickel and dimeing us at retail for expansion is for.
Yup, this was basically a campaign for Bigthulhu, and the game felt secondary. Compare what you get for $100 on this to $100 on The Others or $120 Hate. It isn't like they needed to pay to license Lovecraft either. No Nyarlathotep and tons of missing servitor beings like gugs, moon beast, innsmouth hybrids, etc.
Moreover, I would be friggin embarrassed if I was CMON. If you subtract the extra amount Bigthulhu is bringing in (approx $700k), DMD is barely making more than HATE. The Cthulhu Mythos is HUGE and that's the best they could muster? Maybe jerking your backers around on day 1 with fake limited copies of the big guy wasn't the best plan?
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Yup, this was basically a campaign for Bigthulhu, and the game felt secondary. Compare what you get for $100 on this to $100 on The Others or $120 Hate. It isn't like they needed to pay to license Lovecraft either. No Nyarlathotep and tons of missing servitor beings like gugs, moon beast, innsmouth hybrids, etc.
Moreover, I would be friggin embarrassed if I was CMON. If you subtract the extra amount Bigthulhu is bringing in (approx $700k), DMD is barely making more than HATE. The Cthulhu Mythos is HUGE and that's the best they could muster? Maybe jerking your backers around on day 1 with fake limited copies of the big guy wasn't the best plan?
Could also be that there has been no updates on Zombicide green horde in two months and plenty of backers (late or otherwise) are still waiting on their copies.
I'm willing to bet that some of the apathy towards this one also comes from the fact that the player characters are straight up boring. They're just a bunch of 1920s civilians for the most part. There's only so many flappers you can have before it gets boring.
I think the CMON staff is getting burned out. The last couple of campaigns (Zcide Invader and DMD) have both felt phoned in, especially DMD.
Mixing up Yog with the Dunwich horror was a rookie mistake. Between this and Solomon Kane, the KS campaigns involving two of my top three IPs have both fizzled this summer. I'm pretty bummed.
The monster figures, for the most part are great. It's everything else about this campaign that felt lackluster and incredibly phoned in, I felt. Zombicide Invader was pretty phoned in, too, what with its almost complete lack of add-ons and half-assed cameo figures. DMD though? Yeah, it really feels like even less effort was put into it. The monsters will be great in other games. Someone ought to make some crossover rules to use them in Zombicide.
I have yet to back a CMON kickstarter, but I am usually very tempted by the end. This time I wasnt even slightly interested. Investigator vs Cthulu/ lovecraftian horror has been done to death by now.
I'm inclined to think a Delta Green or Cthulhutech game might've gone over better. Investigators vs Mythos creatures has been done plenty, but military vs Mythos creatures hasn't.
i jut wanted the big guy. sadly, i didnt notice this campaign till last week so i'm set for april 2020 (but there was a note that they will increase its production so it appears people will get them sooner).
Will put the rest of the game on ebay for sale cheap. no interest in it.
Given how rich the source material is, they could have given the Mythic Battles Pantheon treatment to Lovecraft, instead it's a game based on what seems to be the most cursory of glances at a Call of Cthulhu rulebook. And you don't even get that many miniatures. And a lot of the miniatures look like straight up board game miniatures. If I ever do get this for CoC minis, I'll wait until it's on deep discount like The Godfather is right now.
Looks like the Yog Sothoth content will be safely secured. The pace has quickened, so there may well be time for another, and perhaps one after that to be unlocked post-campaign in typical CMON fashion.
I'm in for a dollar, I'll have to see how I feel during the pledge manager. The Lost Episodes seem alright, but the rest of the exclusive content just doesn't do it for me. Investigators are all fairly bland, both in concept and detail, Dagon is OK, but the Deep Ones are awful. Big Cthulu would be nice, but the shipping costs and practicalities of storing such a large item don't seem like it'd be worth the trouble. I might pick it up at retail if I can find it on a discount.
It's odd. The campaign is by no means a failure, especially considering it lasted just under half the time of their usual big displays, but it's really disappointing. The whole thing has felt really uninspired and surprisingly apathetic. I don't think I had unreasonably high expectations, considering the franchise they're dipping into, and yet somehow it feels like a let down.
So our last goal besides a box is Hemingway with a shotgun. We all know what he did with a shotgun...
I have a funny feeling those big Cthulhu will end up being pretty reasonably priced on eBay and the like when spouses and significant others see just how much real estate it takes up.
I'm going to wait and see how I feel when the PM drops.
Their early announcement of Project Elite getting a facelift and reprint is far more exciting as it is.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I have a funny feeling those big Cthulhu will end up being pretty reasonably priced on eBay and the like when spouses and significant others see just how much real estate it takes up.
LOL. OTOH, I still have my giant SJG Ogre Deluxe box, when I really should get rid of it. It's so ridiculous.
I'm a big mythos fan and sadly this just didn't grab me, either gameplay wise or with most of the monsters,
the investigators are OK but no different to looks wise to the bunch of metals I have from through the ages,
it just didn't click for me which is sad considering I've splashed nearly enough to get the game and everything but the big Cthulhu on far, far fewer resin mythos minis from Slumbering Oblivions KS as the looks there did grab me
Ernest unlocked. They have added an additional Lost Episodes 3 stretch goal as well now at $2,450,000 (there are chinese pledges to add at the end so they are likely to use those to unlock this).
Lost Episode 3: Fellowship and Madness will be a very different experience, drawing from the extensive content unlocked to backers throughout the campaign. In this Episode, all of the Stretch Goal Investigators are placed on the board as non-player characters. It is the player-controlled investigators' task to recruit these characters, trying to sort the loyal ones from those that have been seduced by the madness of the Elder Ones. Each of the Mythos cards included in the episode will indicate a specific exclusive investigator as a minion of the occult forces. As only 8 of these will be used in each game, the traitors will slowly be revealed as the game progresses. Don't let the madness take over!
> Their early announcement of Project Elite getting a facelift and reprint is far more exciting as it is.
You forgot the Wacky Racers boardgame!!!
PE looks like a good boardgame for the "bucket-o-miniatures" crowd. Eric Lang still has his sequel to Rising Sun, but, hopefully, in two hours we'll find out what campaign will be next!
Well, despite the plethora of negativity on this thread, I'm happy, I snagged a $220 deal, and intend to sell the Big Cthulhu on eBay, plus almost the entire box set minus a few choice mins I'm keeping.
I'll end up with the mins and around $50 profit, I achieved that with Green Hordes...and the Big Cthulhu is sure to attract top dollar...especially as mine will be one of the first in the world (Australia hub is close to China...!)
yxalitis wrote: Well, despite the plethora of negativity on this thread, I'm happy, I snagged a $220 deal, and intend to sell the Big Cthulhu on eBay, plus almost the entire box set minus a few choice mins I'm keeping.
I'll end up with the mins and around $50 profit, I achieved that with Green Hordes...and the Big Cthulhu is sure to attract top dollar...especially as mine will be one of the first in the world (Australia hub is close to China...!)
Spoken like a true scalpel! That's why we can't have nice things, people snagging deals they don't actually want, just to profit on others.
Mad as it sounds I like that there wasn't a ton of add ons. It bugs me not owning all the content of a game (though not to point of always getting everything!)
One add-on and an expansion was enough. Also I felt the complaints about the amount of investigators was a bit unfair. I think the Investigator to monster ratio for this has been much better than previous CMON campaigns where they pump them out.
They even got a scenario for using the other investigators as enemies, which I thought was cool.
yxalitis wrote: Well, despite the plethora of negativity on this thread, I'm happy, I snagged a $220 deal, and intend to sell the Big Cthulhu on eBay, plus almost the entire box set minus a few choice mins I'm keeping.
I'll end up with the mins and around $50 profit, I achieved that with Green Hordes...and the Big Cthulhu is sure to attract top dollar...especially as mine will be one of the first in the world (Australia hub is close to China...!)
Spoken like a true scalpel! That's why we can't have nice things, people snagging deals they don't actually want, just to profit on others.
Yep, welcome to the real world...where have you been hiding?
This is democracy, the free market economy, supply and demand.
What on EARTH is your beef with that!
And I DO want something, quite a few of the monster minis.
If i can snag the mins i want and profit as well...what is the problem...nothing stopping you form doing that too.
