Source is weak but if you're as desperate as me for new Ork info you'll probably be willing to give this a watch.
Summary is as follows;
Release with codex; - ork codex + datacards
- ork codex includes rules for looted vehicles
- ork dice
- a gak load of upgrade packs for ork units (vague) and possibly vehicles (maybe looted wagons kit)
- a clampack warboss
- plastic Ghazkull Thraka model (no mention of size)
Release post codex; - Buggies/Trakks
- Koptas
Bring your salt, I would cry tears of Orky joy if this were true. What're your thoughts?
I have no association with the maker of the Youtube video, Kirioth.
According to Kirioth (guy who did video in OP) someone sent him the names of the Kustom Boosta-Blasta and Shokkjump Dragster (or whatever they're called) in advance of the announcement from Warhammer Community.
The person also gave the name of 3 other vehicles that he believes are coming. Bring but also pray, because some of these sound incredible;
"Boom-Dakka Snazz Wagon"
"Mega Trakk Scrap jet"
and my personal favourite;
"Squig Buggies"(!!!!!)
Bad Moons :4+ invulnerable save
Blood axes: if your warlord is on the battlefield, roll a dice for every command point used. On a 6 that command point is refunded
Deathskulls: warlord re rolls 1s when attacking a vehicle. Enemy characters can be targeted with a shooting attack by this warlord even if they are not the closest unit.
Evil sunz: evil suns units within 6” of the warlord can charge even if they fell back earlier in the turn.
Freebooters: reroll hit rolls of 1’s for attacks made by friendly freebooter models while within 6”s of this warlord.
Goffs: add 1 to this warlords attack characteristic
Snakebites: re roll morale for snakebite units when they are 6”s from this warlord. Gretchin auto pass morale when they are within 12”s of this warlord.
Kinda skeptical about the upgrade packs for Orks. If that implies new wargear I'd be ecstatic, though I have a bad feeling it's just bitz to flash out our guys, which, while nice, would be a missed opportunity.
I feel that if there are rules for looted vehicles, it would be similar to the lines of the open play rules that SM got for their custom versions of Land Raiders. Again, it'd be great if it was made for matched play but I have a sinking feeling it would be more of a narrative/open addition rather than competitive.
The bigger question is whether or not the clampack warboss will at least have 2 weapons options: Big Choppa and Power Klaw or just one?
I doubt they'd go down the upgrade pack route (and upgrades for what Boyz? Nobz? something else?)
buggies keep getting mentioned and may well be true (although it's been so long since the original sources talked about them they could have been shelved as not something they want to run with as other stuff they've designed and not released)
Koptas make sense as the AoBR ones are gone, and Orks really need them in plastic if they stay in the codex
New Ghazkull lets them make a big(ger) kit so that makes sense
but overall i'd say this is a compilation of stuff from the web rather than a leak from anybody who's seen/talked about stuff with somebody from GW
Upgrade packs seem unlikley, especially if they plan on expanding the size of the individual ork miniatures (as rumored previously) Since Orcs wear so little armor, it'd be hard to make an upgrade pack that would suit the new and old models.
Sorry to be clear - someone messaged the video maker with these rumours claiming they had seen the codex from someone who was under NDA. They did not name the person under NDA apparently.
I read the upgrade sprue as potentially a new unit. Possibly 'Ard Boyz?
I have no idea how likely those rumors are, but I'd be pretty happy with them. (Standard caveats about quality of execution apply.)
If they decide to keep the existing format for Boyz (and Lootas, Burnas, Warbikers, etc.) then upgrade packs might make a lit of sense. They could get rid of the expensive finecast Kommandoz and Tankbustas and give us upgrade packs that work with the regular Boyz kit. They could also bring back 'Ard Boyz and other units that have been cut over the years. There's also plenty of new stuff that could be added (Big Choppas as a special weapon choice for Boyz, for instance).
I really, really doubt this is a legitimate leak, but possible upgrade packs could include:
Nob bikers, a laFW's ones.
Character bikers, either riders for the warbiker kit or bikes which can attach to new characters.
'Ard boyz (not really needed so long as you have a lot of boyz kits)
Kommandos (backpacks, new heads, knives)
Tankbustas (lots of rokkits, more TB bombs, bomb squigs, tankhamma, rokkit pistols)
New infantry units (skarboys, madboyz)
Cybork bits (either as their own unit or a generic upgrade)
Clans
Bits to convert new models into special characters
There are loads of options for vehicle upgrade packs as well. If they release a wartrakk kit, there might be a skorcha upgrade sprue. They could add another sprue to the stompa to make big mek stompas or some other variant. Looted wagon kit. All kinds of possibilities.
What I would actually expect though would be something more like:
Grukk repackaged as generic warboss.
Biker nob / biker painboy / biker mek kit.
Gaz / other prime-ork dual kit.
Biker warboss.
Buggy / new vehicle dual kit.
Wartrakk / new vehicle dual kit.
Tankbusta / new infantry unit dual kit.
That would be comparable to recent big releases like Death Guard.
Rules for looted wagons in chapter approved. They are already going to sell the codex to every ork player, might as well make sure they buy CA as well.
Back in second editions the different clans had very different looks and it was not only colour. That's what the upgrade packs could be, and it would be awesome if they were... Orks have needed that character back.
I know a community leader who has a copy of the Codex (in hilariously shoddy PDF form... it was my first time seeing what WiPGW books look like), and while he gave me a minute with it, the only thing I outright saw was that Orks do indeed pick a Clan the way Marines/Chaos pick their Chapter/Legion.
Rubenite wrote: I remember there was this tidbit late last year. As no-new Sisters vehicles ever surfaced, this could perhaps lend credence to the idea that new Ork vehicles are indeed coming soon?
Chikout wrote: I'll drop this here since I'm not sure it merits its own thread. (we really need a kind of 40k catch all for all the little rumour snippits)
Tom Walton who worked on many 40k vehicles is active on twitter. He mentioned that has in the office doing overtime sculpting minis for an army he has never worked on before.
30 minutes of Google fu later I have it narrowed down to Aos (he does vehicles so unlikely) nids (organic so unlikely) orks or sisters. So new ork or sisters vehicles incoming then.
Someone more dedicated than I could scour his twitter account for further clues.
As this was waaaaayy before the big survey and decision to do Sisters, I'd say he was definitely working on Ork vehicles. Combined with this still unsolved rumour engine a new buggy kit is almost certainly happening.
I was just playing DOW2 Retribution yesterday and realized how much armor the regular BC nobz wear in that game (by ork standards anyway). Lots more armor on the chest/shoulders. Would be really cool if these rumored upgrade packs (if true) let us beef nobz up a bit more especially since they have a 4+ save (eavy armor) by default now
Eh, seems like completely unsubstantiated rumors to me.
On the topic of upgrade sprues - how common are those? I know there was the battlewagon deffrolla sprue, but in general, they seem uncommon to me. Bringing a bunch back randomly seems unlikely, at best.
Overall, I don't think it's valid.
Automatically Appended Next Post: If it does happen to be accurate, I'd likely only be interested in the clampack warboss and new ghaz. And possibly dice.
I'm still buried in deffkoptas, and unless something drastic happens with buggies, I doubt I'd be interested, especially since I have some already.
New koptas would be nice, I never got any from AOBR and now they’re fairly expensive since they’re not the current set (assuming they’re any good now)
Off the top of my head they still have a BW deffrolla one and some other bits, and there used to be a conversion pack to covert a standard LR to a LRC or LRR but idk if that exists anymore
Space Marine chapters have primaris upgrade sprues, so it could be a trend for nobs or bosses.
I couldn’t see a boys upgrade kit unless it was just ard boys armour. Like that old metal mess they had ages ago (with 7 shoulder pads - or something - and a head).
Whether or not this is legitimate, no one can say. I will say this: Except for the upgrade sprues and the warboss kit, everything in that rumor has already been in rumor circulation for some time. It might be legit.
Most of these rumors have been circulating for awhile now, I think the only new ones are Ghaz and the upgrade sprue. Most of it seems reasonable, though I'd think they would have a much bigger release and we'd have heard more about it if Ghaz was really lined up for a release soon.
Kap'n Krump wrote: Eh, seems like completely unsubstantiated rumors to me.
On the topic of upgrade sprues - how common are those? I know there was the battlewagon deffrolla sprue, but in general, they seem uncommon to me. Bringing a bunch back randomly seems unlikely, at best.
Overall, I don't think it's valid.
Automatically Appended Next Post: If it does happen to be accurate, I'd likely only be interested in the clampack warboss and new ghaz. And possibly dice.
I'm still buried in deffkoptas, and unless something drastic happens with buggies, I doubt I'd be interested, especially since I have some already.
Well, there are several for the main Space Marine chapters, other than that the main one I can think of is the Genestealer Cult sprue that you can get for Guardsmen. In the former, I believe it is mostly shoulder pads, with one or two weapons and a head, and in the later it was heads, knives with cult symbols on them, and a few designs to put on vehicles.
For a theoretical Ork kit, I'm not sure what it would include - new weapons? Symbols for a specific clan? Maybe a group of torsos and shoulder pads to turn regular Boyz into 'Ard Boyz?
It's interesting about the delayed release of buggies & koptas, if true. This would be one of the first rumors of any kind about what GW will be doing in the fall or next year.
The Sisters release can only keep them busy for a few weeks...what else are they going to be doing in the fall & spring?
Orks still have quite a bit that needs converted over to plastic.
Characters:
Generic warboss (grukk could fill that role)
Warboss in mega armor (possibly combo kit with Ghazkull
Warboss on bike
Wyrd boy
Big mek with kff Nob with waaagh banner
endtransmission wrote: What if the upgrade packs are klans, like we have chapter and cult sprues?
Or characters. Upgrade boyz to characters. This way orks wouldn't lose tons of their HQ options...Might be one way they solve that rather than release like half a dozen+ new character model.
I have lots of doubts but honestly if it was all true then this would be more than enough for me to be happy woth orks for once. The ability to have more options would be great even if they all sucked... i would rather have a unique bad army than a good ine that's just a clone of every other army in the world.
For me the most credible thing about this rumour is that it isn't too outlandish. I could imagine GW doing the different things because they are relatively simple and easy to do. As others have said it also ties in with other rumours.
Regardless, at least it gives us something to talk about 40k related! :-D
An Actual Englishman wrote: For me the most credible thing about this rumour is that it isn't too outlandish. I could imagine GW doing the different things because they are relatively simple and easy to do. As others have said it also ties in with other rumours.
Regardless, at least it gives us something to talk about 40k related! :-D
Haha, i get yah. The idea that GW makes a smart idea and goes "Hey! Ork players! Here are some rules for you to buy every single model we own to make us more money!" Is too smart and beyond GW line of past thinking. Also breaks all their rules so far...
I think these are more likely to get cut than anything else, much like the 'Elite' Dark Eldar units that no longer exist because they don't make specific kits for them.
Upgrade sprues do make sense though. All plastic kits use the same boyz models (warbikers, lootaz, burnas, even the ork gunners on the battle wagon and the pilots in the jets).
On top of that, we know that GW has a hard time shifing their boyz since so many AOBR boyz are floating around. It would be win-win for them to just make tank bustas and kommadoz (plus something new?) upgrade sprues for a box of boyz.
Kap'n Krump wrote: On the topic of upgrade sprues - how common are those? I know there was the battlewagon deffrolla sprue, but in general, they seem uncommon to me. Bringing a bunch back randomly seems unlikely, at best.
They could do another weapon sprue for the battlewagon, or convert the FW Trukk kits to plastic (Enclosed Cab / Halftrakk).
MajorWesJanson wrote: Orks still have quite a bit that needs converted over to plastic.
Characters:
Generic warboss (grukk could fill that role)
Warboss in mega armor (possibly combo kit with Ghazkull
Warboss on bike
Wyrd boy
Big mek with kff Nob with waaagh banner
That is all before any other potential units they could add.
I don't think big guns will be in the new codex, mek guns have replaced them.
Also note that nob bikers are build by eiither building two nobz out of one box of warbikers, or by combining a box of nobz with two warbiker kits, the nobz models have been made to fit warbikes. So we basically have plastic nob bikers.
I’m not feeling the “upgrade pack” rumours at all. I doubt this will happen.
Reason being, is, what, on Orkz can be swapped out with an upgrade sprue currently? Maybe different torsos? But then, if there were additional torsos, then I’d expect them to replace some of the old ones in the current kits, potentially.
The only thing I can think of is maybe banner and/or clan iconography mini bitz. But, that is kinda what transfers are there for atm.
If we were going to start seeing more and more upgrade sprues to distinguish between clans etc, then, it would likely have started a long time ago with all the other factions. I believe, as it stands, on the Space Marine factions that have independent codices have upgrade packs to help distinguish them from “standard” Marines. (from GW at least – FW do have other upgrade packs)
Codex, tactical objectives and dice are all but a given. Not sure about the datacards, as they’ve only made an appearance for Knights so far (If they get released for SWs before Orkz, then, this will also be highly likely).
A new Ghaz model is a potential, but, it all depends on what GW want to do to him game and lore wise. If nothing really changes, then, I think the chances of a new model from nowhere are on the low side.
Might expect to see a snap fit, easy build Boyz box come out though.
Jidmah wrote: Upgrade sprues do make sense though. All plastic kits use the same boyz models (warbikers, lootaz, burnas, even the ork gunners on the battle wagon and the pilots in the jets).
On top of that, we know that GW has a hard time shifing their boyz since so many AOBR boyz are floating around. It would be win-win for them to just make tank bustas and kommadoz (plus something new?) upgrade sprues for a box of boyz.
Do you have a direct qoute on that about the boyz? Last time i spoke to a dev they told me things like Ork and Chaos sell just fine regardless of how well they do. This was like 2 years ago though.
lolman1c wrote: Do you have a direct qoute on that about the boyz? Last time i spoke to a dev they told me things like Ork and Chaos sell just fine regardless of how well they do. This was like 2 years ago though.
I really don't have the time to dig for the quote, but I'm very, very sure it was talking about boyz box only, maybe koptas as well. If anything, other kits were sold more often due to AOBR, not less. Haven't seen as many ork players around as in 5th ever again, and currently there are primaris, DG, ad mech, necron and knight armies everywhere. New players tend to go for the 2 army boxes.
Honestly, i think the majority of ork boyz now come from the starter set and all the other crap they shoved them into.. like that trukk bundle and kult of speed bundle... mostly all of mine are a mixture from stuff i got from bundles, stuff i mixed with fantasy, the £6 ork boxs i got on a sale for £4 each and old stuff from the 90s. My nobz come from both modern and black reach, koptas black reach, warboss is face rippa and black reach. That's about 120 boyz i own (i play mek list so don't need too many) and 60 of them come from old, 60 come from new. If a ugrade kit did come out to allow for kommandos and stuff i probably would spend like £60-100 on boyz and upgrade kits. But i wouldmdo from a place with 20% off so I ould get a few extra kits or boyz in.
I also own 12 big shootas i think come from the balck reach set. I won them for liek £2 by accident on ebay (basically i saw them, didn't feel like buyign them but put the start £2 bid down... and somehow won them. They're solid models and great to add when I'm low on boyz and points).
I have it from a reliable, anonymous and totally not made up source that a friend of his has said that Orks will be getting the same sorts of thing that other codex releases have had, and maybe some other stuff.
Kdash wrote: I’m not feeling the “upgrade pack” rumours at all. I doubt this will happen.
Reason being, is, what, on Orkz can be swapped out with an upgrade sprue currently? Maybe different torsos? But then, if there were additional torsos, then I’d expect them to replace some of the old ones in the current kits, potentially.
The only thing I can think of is maybe banner and/or clan iconography mini bitz. But, that is kinda what transfers are there for atm.
The burnas/lootaz kit is literally an upgrade kit with 4 boyz included. Kommadoz used to be an upgrade kit for boyz sold by FW. And I bet most tank bustas that are seeing play today are just the heavy weapon boyz from boyz boxes, and not the 5 per box tank bustas with rokkit pistols and tankhammers. And 'ard boyz are just regular boyz with the 'ard boy parts from four other boxes glued to them. Warbikers are three bikes with three boyz in the same box.
Of course, most of those boxes have some unique torsos and heads, but every ork infantry units is either boyz+stuff or nobz+stuff.
They could create new units by just releasing sprues with weapons on them and printing "combines with a box of ork boyz!" on them.
Codex, tactical objectives and dice are all but a given. Not sure about the datacards, as they’ve only made an appearance for Knights so far (If they get released for SWs before Orkz, then, this will also be highly likely).
Datacards are the Powers+Objectives+Stratagem cards, every army has those.
Might expect to see a snap fit, easy build Boyz box come out though.
They did an upgrade sprue for the flyer too, remember, Wazboom.
Maybe an upgrade kit for Trukks, with big guns and an enclosed cab to make gunwagons and armored Trukks? I know FW makes those, but it feels like they are slowly phasing out their Ork kits.
Haha, yeah they're the ones i got to practice painting my boyz when i got back i to orks. I bought i think 2 packets for £8... I can't see a whole force made of them but they're great for practice of colour schemes and for adding in different posed orks. The secret to a good ork force in lots of models from all different tiem periods of GW's production. There is honestly not much difference between them. Look here, these are all from the first plastic ork sets, old metal ones and new ones and I don't see any difference compared to my new orks unless I look in super close details (which won't ever happen when there is 100+plus).
Spoiler:
I apologise for the sloppy scheme but i like my orks rushed and dirty XD but yeah... it is hard to tell up close the new from the old. So i coukd see the sale of new orks as a big problem.
As for the other stuff. Yeah i feel gw purposefully made it so orks are super easy to interchange... it's like lego... maybe theybhad this big plan but the higher ups stopped it at the ladt second.
Mousemuffins wrote: I have it from a reliable, anonymous and totally not made up source that a friend of his has said that Orks will be getting the same sorts of thing that other codex releases have had, and maybe some other stuff.
Incredible, I made that same rumor up just now! So it is confirmed! The usual codex stuffs and something extra confirmed! Rejoice for there is great times ahead!
The thing is though, GW has put a lid on all rumor sources so everything you read (especially on BolS) is just made up gak. GW will announce all this stuff themselves in due time.
So, I just talked to my local GW manager, who, unlike every other GW manager, knows everything about the upcoming release. He let me flip to through the codex he got because reasons, and I can clearly tell you this:
- Awesome new fluff about Ghazghkull Tharkka
- Point reductions for many things
- Rules for Goff, Death Skulls, Bad Moons, Evil Suns and more!
- Five new warlord traits to chose from, one additional one for each clan
- There is a picture of model that looks new to me in there (might be wrong tho)
- At least 12 new stratagems, some have been seen in other codices
- Fully developed weird boy psychic discipline
- Tactical objective that involves charging things
- Ork dice
...
(Dont bother to put this on the rumor tracker)
Upgrade packs could simply be Ork Clan packs, similar to Space Marine Chapter Upgrade packs.
Or they could be larger sprues of bitz to convert 5 Ork Boyz models into 5 Tankbustas, 5 Kommandos, 5 Skar Boyz, etc. I hope we don't get half-assed this way though. I would prefer fully unique kits for such units.
GW could put a new additional sprue of Big Gunz bits into the overpriced Mek Gun kit...for the SAME price.
If these rumors turned out to be an *initial* release, that would be nice, but it should be followed up with plastic kits for things like an 'OOGE Squiggoth, Squig Rida's, a proppa tank, and units we've never had in plastic (and that everyone wants), such as Tankbustas, Kommados, etc.
I don't think clan sprues are especially implausible. All of them could have a few icons etc, Deathskulls could get chains of teef and flashier weapons, Goffs could get some pointier helmets calling back to the 2nd ed models, Snakebites more rustic looking weapons and hair shirts etc.
Jidmah wrote: So, I just talked to my local GW manager, who, unlike every other GW manager, knows everything about the upcoming release. He let me flip to through the codex he got because reasons, and I can clearly tell you this:
- Awesome new fluff about Ghazghkull Tharkka
- Point reductions for many things
- Rules for Goff, Death Skulls, Bad Moons, Evil Suns and more!
- Five new warlord traits to chose from, one additional one for each clan
- There is a picture of model that looks new to me in there (might be wrong tho)
- At least 12 new stratagems, some have been seen in other codices
- Fully developed weird boy psychic discipline
- Tactical objective that involves charging things
- Ork dice
...
(Dont bother to put this on the rumor tracker)
Yeah! He lso told me that there would be some relics! And Clan also would have one unique for each other.
Also he said that ork now would have a rule that makes troops objective secured.
And some new cool artworks.
Kdash wrote: I’m not feeling the “upgrade pack” rumours at all. I doubt this will happen.
Reason being, is, what, on Orkz can be swapped out with an upgrade sprue currently? Maybe different torsos? But then, if there were additional torsos, then I’d expect them to replace some of the old ones in the current kits, potentially.
The only thing I can think of is maybe banner and/or clan iconography mini bitz. But, that is kinda what transfers are there for atm.
Replace as in in old sprues? Nope. Too expensive to pay for new mold just to replace few parts.
If we were going to start seeing more and more upgrade sprues to distinguish between clans etc, then, it would likely have started a long time ago with all the other factions. I believe, as it stands, on the Space Marine factions that have independent codices have upgrade packs to help distinguish them from “standard” Marines. (from GW at least – FW do have other upgrade packs)
Actually GW is well known for changing styles midway. 8th ed is surpringly coherent in that term but even there mindset changing midway is visible. It's not as bad as in 7th ed for example when suddenly decurions came around leaving codexes without those in trouble. Or was it partway 4th where first rather modest codex style and midway again power upped dramatically leaving dark angels in jealously when shortly after marine codex(and others) were in new design parameters and kicked the crap out of codexes that had came before...
Presumably the new Codex will include a load of special rules that all cause Mortal Wounds but they'll be worded slightly differently and all have different names.
I'll be over there, smashing my models with a hammer.
I never said it was bad just my ork boyz are sloppy and rushed. Very oily, lots of washes to fill in mistskes ect. maybe i just am critical of my work more. XD but yeah, they're repainted 20 year old models. So i can see how people would look for cheaper alternatives.
Been awhile since I built a biker kit, but doesn't it include nob parts and weren't the bikes designed to be compatible with the bodies from the nob kit?
zend wrote: Been awhile since I built a biker kit, but doesn't it include nob parts and weren't the bikes designed to be compatible with the bodies from the nob kit?
Yup. all nob bikers are "officially" is using the nob you get with your bikers as a separate unit.
Now if Tneva can just produce kits for....
space marine lieutenant
space marine ancient
space marine chapter champion
imperial guard company commander
adeptus mechanicus cybernetica datasmith
Imperial Guard conscripts
imperial guard tempestor prime
tyranid neurothrope
Sisters of Battle icon bearer
Grey Knights company champion
Dark Angels ravenwing ancient
Tau Firesight Marksman
oh you can't? oh, taking models from a particular kit and making rules for them as a variant unit is an extremely common thing GW does and has continued to do in 8th edition?
zend wrote: Been awhile since I built a biker kit, but doesn't it include nob parts and weren't the bikes designed to be compatible with the bodies from the nob kit?
Yes but it's 1 nob. You can't really sell kit as "nob biker" if it makes up 1 out of 3 nob.
As for compatibility...Lots of stuff GW has dropped could be made with compatible parts. The whole space marine range is huge case of that and it used to be reason why marines are so popular. It's kit basher's wet dream. Well until GW started creating mono pose models with unique ways they are assembled. But despite tons of interchangability allowing to make various stuff by combining kits across multiple ranges you end up with rules being removed.
Epic fail #2 for you. How many are you willing to do it?
Gw doesn't provide rules for kits they don't sell. GW sells no nob biker kit. Period.
They sell nob bikers in the biker pack. 1 can be turned into an ork nob biker. Buy 3 packs and you got options for 3 nobz and 6 boyz which is a pretty standard old list. Saying this doesn't count would be saying units like big mek in mega armour will go because you can only get him from a pack and not alone.
'This boxed set contains 3 multi-part plastic Ork Warbikes, and includes options for an Ork Nob on Warbike, a variety of wargear options and extra details.'
So stop being rude to the guy and have a real debate, yah nob.
You can build two nobz out of one warbiker kit. It has two nob torsos and heads, and two big choppas (one held over the head and one held in one hand). Warbiker nobz share their legs with boyz.
It all depends on how anal GW wants to be. If they want to be dumb and say they don't have a nob biker kit even though their own rules state that nothing is stopping you from counting the normal bikers as nobs too, then they'll remove the codex entry.
I have a little faith in GW, enough to believe they won't do that. I don't expect them to make rules for looted vehicles without making very specific and expensive kits for them though.
Anyways, I want an Armageddon theme for the Space Wolves/Orks releases. Box set with plastic Steel Legion (troops, special weapons, heavy weapons) would be delightful.
I’m more concerned about the Big Mek (and possibly also Warboss, although the FW model may save it) on bike, as there is clearly no such model. There isn’t even a regular, non MA, big mek with KFF any more. Would be a shame if I couldn’t use my old metal one.
Jidmah wrote: You can build two nobz out of one warbiker kit. It has two nob torsos and heads, and two big choppas (one held over the head and one held in one hand). Warbiker nobz share their legs with boyz.
Wtf? Really? Oh man, i feel a spending spree comming.
If there are upgrade sprues for Orks solely for distinguishing between clans, they will likely take the form of 10 heads and some minor accessories (stuff like things hanging from chains/ropes etc.), with maybe a torso swap and/or a specific aesthetic weapon swap.
That is the pattern the Marine sprues and GSC sprue have taken, which are aesthetic changes.
I'd be well up for this, especially if they released one for Freebootaz, although I feel Freebootaz deserve their own mini faction.
I think a large plastic Ghaz is a given at some point, but I suspect it will tie into some kind of campaign release, maybe in a triumvirate pattern. I rather hope it is a standalone kit, and not combined with a mega-armoured warboss, because Ghaz is supposed to be HUGE. I'd love for him to get a model that does him justice (and a statline to match). This guy should be bigger than a Deff Dredd (or at least as big).
I'll remain skeptical. According to the leaks a few months ago, we should be seeing a campaign box & a campaign book this summer. It coincides with the ork release timeline perfectly.
I'm always of the opinion that i want general hqs rtaher than named characters. I play 40k in the old style where my chapter is unique and my orks are unique. No name characters for me!
Jidmah wrote: You can build two nobz out of one warbiker kit. It has two nob torsos and heads, and two big choppas (one held over the head and one held in one hand). Warbiker nobz share their legs with boyz.
Pretty sure that isn't right. You get two nob-sized heads, but only one torso, one left arm, one big choppa and one power klaw. The left arm is actually the limiting factor, since all the other pieces can be looted from boyz boxes.
Otherwise, why on earth would they wait to release the Ork codex? For the lulz? One more flip off to all the Ork players? Perhaps. But how do you explain Spess Puppers then?!
Wasn't the trend for a little while releasing new versions of boxes that had a lot more options, but not more bodies, at an increased price? The Tau box for example can now be built with three different main weapons, plus the option for sidearms, plus drones and a turret, and there are lots of legs, heads, backpacks, shoulder pads and the like left over. On the downside the Strike Team/Breacher Team box is more expensive than most other basic infantry boxes.
I could see them reboxing Boyz so that they could also be 'Ard Boyz, or a unit of 5 Kommandoz and a unit of 5 Tankbustas. Heck, they could even include bits to turn the Nob into a Big Mek. Then jack the price up to $60.
On the other hand the Boyz already sort of got this reboxing when they dropped from 16 boyz to 10 plus a Nob and a bunch more bits (a good change, IMO). Also, some of the newer kits seem to be annoyingly mono-build. Like the Armigers and the Dominus Knights each being two separate kits. The Dominus class knight especially irritates me. The kit is already huge and expensive, why not include both weapon sprues?
I would love it if they brought back cyborks. I'd like to make an army of frankenstein orks. If they just fixed the cybork body and let every nob take it, and brought back 'Ard Boyz (the robot bits could be considered to amount to 'Eavy Armor) that would be enough to satisfy me.
I hope they don't get rid of Big Gunz as a unit. I like them. They still produce all of them, though admittedly only as Battlewagon weapons. It's easy enough to kitbash the carriages, but who knows.
They quietly got rid of the Big Gunz from the webstore, but on the other hand they put the banner nob back up for sale. I hope that they both allow us to give the Banner Nob a power klaw and maybe a cybork body, to reflect the model, but at the same time don't require us to take those upgrades as they would be weird for Snakebites.
Otherwise, why on earth would they wait to release the Ork codex? For the lulz? One more flip off to all the Ork players? Perhaps. But how do you explain Spess Puppers then?!
No, I'm half convinced we're getting something.
It could be they looked at how much sells and saw orks maybe could go lzst because they don't sell as much as space marines and broody angels.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I want to see steam powere snake bites.... tbh, all gw needs to do is make the ork players bases dream codex and kits and I alone will likely make it a profit for them. XD also i would advise they never change the rules ever again to save on art and rule teams...
lolman1c wrote: It could be they looked at how much sells and saw orks maybe could go lzst because they don't sell as much as space marines and broody angels.
But Space Wolves are the most popular faction of space marines and space marines are the biggest sellers by far.
On the other hand, maybe being released close to SW means we are less likely to get new stuff because the popular army is using up all the resources?
I think it's a good thing that Orks are at the back end, as it probably means there is more than the odd special character to come along with the codex,
if there wasn't they would have been part of the 2 books at a time run for all the rest that basically just had a minor re-write
but whether it means new stuff or whether it means a re-do of existing stuff or a mix of the two w
e'll have to wait and see
The tension is killing me.... although what would be worse is if they bring out limited edition stuff epic new models! I'm not back in the uk for another 4 months so i have to wait
XD
Yeah man, this wait is getting to be difficult. I'm happy to wait all the way until Christmas if it means we get a bunch of cool stuff, but I'd like to have some previews on what to expect.
I think that at a certain point no news can become toxic as speculation grows out of control.
Well I'll likely have money for when i get back but the problem with gw is I never know when to spend it. Do i buy the new AoS to get into it or do I wait for orks? I would hate to spend all my money on AoS only to find buggies come iut next week... I wish they would give us at least 4 or 5 month notice.
I couldn't be more bored of knight news on Facebook. I'm starting to become embittered with it in fact. I'd rather they give no news than keep harping on about the same gak.
lolman1c wrote: Well I'll likely have money for when i get back but the problem with gw is I never know when to spend it. Do i buy the new AoS to get into it or do I wait for orks? I would hate to spend all my money on AoS only to find buggies come iut next week... I wish they would give us at least 4 or 5 month notice.
I've been trying to save money for the Ork release, but since there has been no news and I'm easily distracted I started a knight army, an AdMech army and expanded my AoS Death and Destruction armies instead. I guess GW is getting my money anyway, so it doesn't matter to them.
It's put a bit of a bigger dent into my hobby progress. Do I want to put the effort into making my buggies and trakks look more modern if they are going to release new kits this year? Do I want to convert some of my AOBR deffkoptas to have twin big shootas when they might get rid of that option? On the other hand they might get rid of the rokkits option and only have big shootas. Or there's a small chance they'll axe the unit entirely. I've got some Imperial vehicles I want to loot, but I'm not sure what my options will be going forward.
blaktoof wrote: In fact for the year of xenos there hasn't been a single new datasheet with new model for any xenos faction.
Yup, flying board Cryptek is not new.
Or wait, maybe he is not a xeno?
Or, uh... I got nothing. Anyone?
Ditto for GSC aberrant with a pipe, or whatever GSC unit has teased daggers, or the buggy-like wheel, or the toothy thing, these are not, in fact, new xeno models, am I rite?
blaktoof wrote: In fact for the year of xenos there hasn't been a single new datasheet with new model for any xenos faction.
Yup, flying board Cryptek is not new.
Or wait, maybe he is not a xeno?
Or, uh... I got nothing. Anyone?
Ditto for GSC aberrant with a pipe, or whatever GSC unit has teased daggers, or the buggy-like wheel, or the toothy thing, these are not, in fact, new xeno models, am I rite?
Oh wow, thanks for reminding me man. How dare us Xeno players be upset for getting a singular new Structure model and a singular new HQ model, for one faction each. How dare we?!
I'm also so glad that the GSC aberrant is out already for purchase, and the dagger tease that definitely isn'tAOS, or the buggy wheel that's been floating around forever, or the toothy thing that again definitely isn'tAOS. How silly of me, can't wait to go down my local GW and pick them up tomorrow.
I know a guy that says they managed to get a sample of DNA from a hair Andy Chambers left behind, and they've been grooming his clone to write the next Ork codex.
Apparently this was supposed to happen years ago, but Andy Chamber's lawyers claimed that his DNA was his intellectual property, while GW's lawyers claim that because the hair was produced while he worked for them they own it.
I heard that while the case will probably be settled next year we shouldn't get our hopes up because the clone is in an emo teenage phase and insists on being allowed to write a Blood Angels vs Night Lords RPG as his first project.
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: I know a guy that says they managed to get a sample of DNA from a hair Andy Chambers left behind, and they've been grooming his clone to write the next Ork codex.
Apparently this was supposed to happen years ago, but Andy Chamber's lawyers claimed that his DNA was his intellectual property, while GW's lawyers claim that because the hair was produced while he worked for them they own it.
I heard that while the case will probably be settled next year we shouldn't get our hopes up because the clone is in an emo teenage phase and insists on being allowed to write a Blood Angels vs Night Lords RPG as his first project.
blaktoof wrote: In fact for the year of xenos there hasn't been a single new datasheet with new model for any xenos faction.
Yup, flying board Cryptek is not new.
Or wait, maybe he is not a xeno?
Or, uh... I got nothing. Anyone?
Ditto for GSC aberrant with a pipe, or whatever GSC unit has teased daggers, or the buggy-like wheel, or the toothy thing, these are not, in fact, new xeno models, am I rite?
You must have missed the actual words I typed.
The cryptek with cloak is not a new datasheet with a new model..
Primaris, Deathguard, Daemons, Custodes and Knights all got significant releases. Necrons, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Imperial Guard* and Inquisition* got minor releases.
*Those were limited run special characters, so probably fair to discount them.
Source is weak but if you're as desperate as me for new Ork info you'll probably be willing to give this a watch.
Summary is as follows;
Release with codex; - ork codex + datacards
- ork codex includes rules for looted vehicles
- ork dice
- a gak load of upgrade packs for ork units (vague) and possibly vehicles (maybe looted wagons kit)
- a clampack warboss
- plastic Ghazkull Thraka model (no mention of size)
Release post codex; - Buggies/Trakks
- Koptas
Bring your salt, I would cry tears of Orky joy if this were true. What're your thoughts?
I have no association with the maker of the Youtube video, Kirioth.
I did see a rumor a little while back that Orks would be changing a great deal in the new codex as for models though, they already have plastic kits for nearly all their infantry, and kommandoz have cool forgeworld upgrade kit. I think the only one they need is Tankbustaz or maybe it might be for something else? I wouldn't be surprised if they added a Looted Tank kit and rules for it similar to the GSC kit. But yeah, I all i REALLY want to be true right now is Prime Ork Ghaz!
If genestealer Cults got something more it would be an army I'd consider doing something serious with, rather than my current attitude of " if I want to play them I'll pull models from my IG and Tyranid collections while proxying this Mantic Mule as a GC truck."
Source is weak but if you're as desperate as me for new Ork info you'll probably be willing to give this a watch.
Summary is as follows;
Release with codex; - ork codex + datacards
- ork codex includes rules for looted vehicles
- ork dice
- a gak load of upgrade packs for ork units (vague) and possibly vehicles (maybe looted wagons kit)
- a clampack warboss
- plastic Ghazkull Thraka model (no mention of size)
Release post codex; - Buggies/Trakks
- Koptas
Bring your salt, I would cry tears of Orky joy if this were true. What're your thoughts?
I have no association with the maker of the Youtube video, Kirioth.
I did see a rumor a little while back that Orks would be changing a great deal in the new codex as for models though, they already have plastic kits for nearly all their infantry, and kommandoz have cool forgeworld upgrade kit. I think the only one they need is Tankbustaz or maybe it might be for something else? I wouldn't be surprised if they added a Looted Tank kit and rules for it similar to the GSC kit. But yeah, I all i REALLY want to be true right now is Prime Ork Ghaz!
It's true that Orks have a lot of plastic kits. Their last go-around hit many of the big items (truck, battlewagon, bikers, dreadnought, kans). I could live with it if they only got decent rules, a new buggy, and Ghaz. They really should make the plastic deffcopta a box set though, even if it is the recycled one from Black Reach.
By the way, does anyone know if the Deffcopta in the Battle for Vedros box set is a retooling of the Black Reach set, or did they just clip it from existing sprues? I'd assume it's a recut. If that's the case just package it for general 40k use.
It's the same. Whole point of vedros thing is using existing sprues for CHEAPLY. It's not even clipped but whole sprue which is why some boxes have weird things like single terminator sergeant yey.
If it was new mould they would go for lot higher than they do to recoup expenses.
I very much predict a huge GSC update. They keep going on about them and even showed us a new model. If the KorkTM update was so huge we would have heard something by ow but with the GSC we have beard something. We even had potential leaks.
As far as new relases go, I'd want:
- A biker character kit, that can be made into either a warboss, big mek or painboy.
- Plastic tankbustaz
- New buggy/wartrakk/skorcha multikit (although I don't need it, it's just embarassing that GW sell those old models still)
The new buggy kit, alongside with a big plastic Ghaz and plastic koptas I feel are pretty likely.
If we're wishlisting for new models then I'd be super happy to get:
- A bigger battlewagon, titanic and holds 32 models. So you can chuck in a full sized ork mob and 2 characters.
- Grot snipers (basically halflings)
- Grot grenadiers (grotaniers?) Every grot is armed with a crappy grenade that they all get to throw at the same time.
- Some sort of ork tank, roughly land raider in size but with twice the guns
Orks are in a perfect place to get a Dark Eldar style huge revamp to their model line.
-Orks can grow from war, so making 40k Ironjawz would be easy to fit in the fluff and existing armies if GW wants to go with their emphasis on giant, expensive models in small units.
-Orks are an evergreen army (no pun intended), a big push would likely sell really well to new players and existing fans.
-Ork players often have a "bigger is better" attitude and most would just add new stuff no matter the rules.
-Their ramshackle design and the players acceptance of weird Ork vehicles and conversions means that new stuff easily slots in next to existing models or likely gets the people still waiting for buggies or scorchaz kits to bite the bullet and start a Speed Freakz horde.
-Power-wise they basically only go up, so you still have the playerbase waiting for a strong(er) codex to tap into.
-GW Orks are freaking iconic and they have their aesthetic completely down now - aside from that Paindoc...thing.
-They could release a ton of new stuff thanks to Mek inventions or growing Orks, replace a ton of *ancient* kits or even some less ancient - and all the new stuff wouldn't look out of place in existing armies! No rage quitting!
All in all GW could and should give Orks a giant release. They can swing a ton of kits for Death Guard and underwater elves, surely doing the same for Orks is less of a risk. I expect to get nothing, though.
Binabik15 wrote: Orks are in a perfect place to get a Dark Eldar style huge revamp to their model line.
-Ork players often have a "bigger is better" attitude and most would just add new stuff no matter the rules.
-Power-wise they basically only go up, so you still have the playerbase waiting for a strong(er) codex to tap into.
PS: Grot snipers would be amazing.
1. I think you're talking about ultramarine players there buddy. A lot of Orks players couldn't care less about the whole "bigger is better". In fact, if you go to the specific Ork forums you will see the majority of players complaining that GW is going to do what they do best and Flanderize the orks until they're nothing more than just mindless monsters. You have to remember, most Ork players (in my experience) come from the 90s and old editions where the ork was even smaller than the current sized boy (look up the old ghaz who was basically the same size as a boy). Why else would we stick with orks this long? To us our current boyz are just fine and one of the only models sets we're happy with. Gw trying to get us to huy more footslogging boyz we already own would just piss us off more.
2.pffft... that's what we said goi g into 7th edition. Somehow gw found a way to make us worse.
3.yes! All ork players really think "smaller is better". We want grots and squigs!
For a really good analysis of the orks and how we view them please read this guys 50,000 word essay on orks someone linked me once. It's basically what got me back into orks.
To us our current boyz are just fine and one of the only models sets we're happy with. Gw trying to get us to huy more footslogging boyz we already own would just piss us off more.
Mmmh no, im greenskin inside from 15+ years, collecting, painting and converting a lot, and although the actual boyz are still awesome (god bless brian nelson) they start to getting a bit old... i really want to start a whole new ork army (again) but the idea to paint (again) the same boyz i've painted in the last 15 years stop me.
I dont want bigger boyz, actually i prefer smaller is better (agree with your 3rd point ), i want some fresh news sculpt for them, i think the bloodbowl orks are awesome and my wet dream is new boyz like those! But i know it's only dream, although they are old models dont think gw will redo them anytime soon.
To us our current boyz are just fine and one of the only models sets we're happy with. Gw trying to get us to huy more footslogging boyz we already own would just piss us off more.
Mmmh no, im greenskin inside from 15+ years, collecting, painting and converting a lot, and although the actual boyz are still awesome (god bless brian nelson) they start to getting a bit old... i really want to start a whole new ork army (again) but the idea to paint (again) the same boyz i've painted in the last 15 years stop me.
I dont want bigger boyz, actually i prefer smaller is better (agree with your 3rd point ), i want some fresh news sculpt for them, i think the bloodbowl orks are awesome and my wet dream is new boyz like those! But i know it's only dream, although they are old models dont think gw will redo them anytime soon.
Every one is different. I might think the way i do because i have lots of boyz from different periods. But yes, the current boyz are a good size especially if you have 200 of them on tne field. Imagine 200 primaris size boyz... that in my mind just seems annoying. XD what we do like is "more is better". The more units we can bring the more fun games tend to be in my mind! The more it feels like we have orks! But this edition I've seriously had and watched games where the marine players seem to have brought models than i did or the ork player did.
There is a definite need for ork characters. They don’t have enough plastic character options. Little mek and painboy and then all the others are in other kits or old metal (not counting that weirdo Warboss character - is he a single release yet or can you only get him in other boxes).
If there are no new releases, the ork codex is going to get streamlined and a bunch of stuff will stay in the Xenos book... which won’t be ideal. Bye kannons and zzap guns and deffkoptas and weirdboys and ardboys (forever) and waaaghbanner nob.... and on...
So hopefully there is a release to fill the codex back up to match other armies.
dan2026 wrote:I can't see Orks getting any new kits. In fact the only old faction I can remember getting any new kits was Daemons. And that one Cryptek.
If you don't count Primaris, pretty much nobody got anything.
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:Primaris, Deathguard, Daemons, Custodes and Knights all got significant releases. Necrons, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Imperial Guard* and Inquisition* got minor releases.
*Those were limited run special characters, so probably fair to discount them.
Notably, the significant releases are all relatively 'new' factions. Death guard are completely new. Daemons only really got stuff as a spin-off from death guard. Custodes and knights haven't been around very long and have a very small number of kits available. The other faction we know is getting a lot of stuff is genestealer cults, which like Custodes have only ever had one release before.
Custodes, knights and GC are also all ranges which are difficult for third-party manufacturers to cut into, which I suspect is important to GW.
Orks, by contrast, are an old faction with a long history of not selling very well and are very easy for GW to lose sales with to other manufacturers or conversions. If I was in charge of the company and only concerned with running a successful business, I would really hesitate to invest more in them.
I think a pessimistic but plausible scenario is that we get no new models (except repackaged Grukk as a generic warboss), some old models are withdrawn from sale and we lose rules for everything that doesn't have a model.
Moderately optimistic, we get a few expensive characters in plastic, rules for everything that is in the index, maybe something completely new but horribly overpriced (like the gorkanaut and mek gun).
Anything beyond that is wildly optimistic in judgement.
I know I'm fine with the Ork models (not going to complain about new stuff but Orks aren't hurting for new stuff except for some HQ options) if we could only get some zogging decent rules for once instead of being forced to play the NPC cannon fodder role. 7th had some interesting formations but where hamstrung by some truely terrible design decisions while the 8th edition index is boring, poorly pointed, and Ork shooting is absolutely broken by the proliferation of to hit modifiers.
lolman1c wrote: 1. I think you're talking about ultramarine players there buddy. A lot of Orks players couldn't care less about the whole "bigger is better". In fact, if you go to the specific Ork foru......snip...gh the pages to find his chapters on different ork topics).
You should replace the words "Ork players" with "lolman1c" for this entire post to be correct.
Warhams-77 wrote: Thanks for the video summary, AAE, two releases would coincide with what previous rumor sources mentioned. Fingers-crossed
dan2026 wrote:I can't see Orks getting any new kits. In fact the only old faction I can remember getting any new kits was Daemons. And that one Cryptek.
If you don't count Primaris, pretty much nobody got anything.
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:Primaris, Deathguard, Daemons, Custodes and Knights all got significant releases. Necrons, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Imperial Guard* and Inquisition* got minor releases.
*Those were limited run special characters, so probably fair to discount them.
Notably, the significant releases are all relatively 'new' factions. Death guard are completely new. Daemons only really got stuff as a spin-off from death guard. Custodes and knights haven't been around very long and have a very small number of kits available. The other faction we know is getting a lot of stuff is genestealer cults, which like Custodes have only ever had one release before.
Custodes, knights and GC are also all ranges which are difficult for third-party manufacturers to cut into, which I suspect is important to GW.
Orks, by contrast, are an old faction with a long history of not selling very well and are very easy for GW to lose sales with to other manufacturers or conversions. If I was in charge of the company and only concerned with running a successful business, I would really hesitate to invest more in them.
I think a pessimistic but plausible scenario is that we get no new models (except repackaged Grukk as a generic warboss), some old models are withdrawn from sale and we lose rules for everything that doesn't have a model.
Moderately optimistic, we get a few expensive characters in plastic, rules for everything that is in the index, maybe something completely new but horribly overpriced (like the gorkanaut and mek gun).
Anything beyond that is wildly optimistic in judgement.
Alternative business thought would suggest Orks are a place to focus effort, or cut out.
Revamping the model line to a slightly different aesthetic/size would invalidate most third party models, upset a relatively small playerbase, and allow for them to attempt to redo the product line to turn it from low sales to high sales.
Orks, by contrast, are an old faction with a long history of not selling very well and are very easy for GW to lose sales with to other manufacturers or conversions.
What makes you think Orks have a long history of not selling very well? I'm quite sure this is wrong.
Also, conversions that use GW bits, potentially increase sales.
Grukk is almost guaranteed to be genericised- basically all the other clampack characters who were released as campaign boxsets have been- the BA Captain, Broodlord, Ethereal, SM Captain, and the Deathwatch Captain.
The only ones which have been maintained are Eldrad (who was the only one to be an existing major character) and Krom (who is a Space Wolf, a Chapter which has long been defined by it's characters).
Therefore I think it is highly likely that Grukk becomes Ork Warboss with the Codex release.
Overall, Orks are doing pretty well for characters. They have a plastic Warboss, Big Mek in Mega armour, Big Mek with Shokk attakk gun, Mek, and Painboy. That is more than many armies have in plastic. Having said this, there are definitely a few more low-hanging fruit for plastic characters that should get models- Weirdboyz, a Mega-armoured Warboss, a Nob with Waaagh banner, a more generic Big Mek with parts for a KFF, and plastic versions of the heroes are the most obvious. Warbike versions are also a possibility (I could see a Nob Bikers kit including parts for a Big Mek or a Painboy).
Astra Militarum have 6 (counting all three Company Commanders), Tau have 3, Craftworld Eldar have 5 (with 4 kits), Drukhari 3, Harlequins 3, Ynnari 3 (Eldar as a whole have 14), Necrons 3 (including the Catacomb Command barge Lord, arguably 4 with the Transcendent C'tan), Tyranids I am not sure about, but at least 4 (with 3 kits. I know there used to be HQ versions for Warriors, Tervigons and Trygons, but I don't know if that is still the case), GSC have 4 (plus some AM characters). The vast majority of plastic characters available belong to the remaining Chaos and Space Marine factions. Even then, when breaking them down they are usually pretty similar per faction: Nurgle Daemons 7 (in 5 kits, including the Daemon Prince who is present for all), Tzeentch Daemons 6 (in 4 kits, including the Chariot), Slaanesh 3 (in 2 kits), Khorne 4 (in 3 kits, Daemons as a whole have 17 with the Prince shared), Death Guard have a whopping 13 (including the starter set), Thousand Sons have 5, World Eaters have 1 of their own, CSM have 5 (in 4 kits. A shared CSM total of 20). Nurgle is something of an outlier.
Haighus wrote: Grukk is almost guaranteed to be genericised- basically all the other clampack characters who were released as campaign boxsets have been- the BA Captain, Broodlord, Ethereal, SM Captain, and the Deathwatch Captain.
Out of those, only Artemis had rules in the codex. I haven't picked up the new book so don't know if he still does--but he's still sold as Watch Captain Artemis, not "Deathwatch Captain".
Spoiler:
He's just Direct Only.
Everyone else was just a generic profile with rules in the little campaign booklet. And out of the ones you listed, the Ethereal and Marine Captain aren't available outside of bundles still.
The only ones which have been maintained are Eldrad (who was the only one to be an existing major character) and Krom (who is a Space Wolf, a Chapter which has long been defined by it's characters).
Therefore I think it is highly likely that Grukk becomes Ork Warboss with the Codex release.
It's possible, but I'd say it is more likely we keep Grukk as an Ork Warboss and Ghazghkull gets biggerized as a LOW ala Guilliman.
Ah! My bad- I didn't realise Artemis had kept his identity.
You mean Grukk stays as a named character? I expect Ghaz will become an embiggened Lord of War (he deserves it), but I feel they will need a concurrent campaign release to justify it.
Haighus wrote: Ah! My bad- I didn't realise Artemis had kept his identity.
You mean Grukk stays as a named character? I expect Ghaz will become an embiggened Lord of War (he deserves it), but I feel they will need a concurrent campaign release to justify it.
Yes, I mean that Grukk stays as a named character. The box is called "Warboss Grukk's Boss Mob"
He doesn't need a concurrent campaign. Per the fluff, Ghaz is already big. The model's just old.
Yeah, he is mean in the fluff, but his model is as small as the Black Reach Warboss which doesn't even have mega armour. Ghaz deserves a model that does his fluff justice!
I don't think he needs a concurrent campaign, but I think it matches GW's general style for introducing important characters. I think this could be a boxset campaign again, not necessarily another 13th Black Crusade-level punch-up.
Orks, by contrast, are an old faction with a long history of not selling very well and are very easy for GW to lose sales with to other manufacturers or conversions.
What makes you think Orks have a long history of not selling very well? I'm quite sure this is wrong.
Also, conversions that use GW bits, potentially increase sales.
This is what I'm selling. I've spoken to ex gw works who quite about 2 years ago and they orks sell just fine. The idea that bad units sell is very much a fan theory and nothing more.
lolman1c wrote: 1. I think you're talking about ultramarine players there buddy. A lot of Orks players couldn't care less about the whole "bigger is better". In fact, if you go to the specific Ork foru......snip...gh the pages to find his chapters on different ork topics).
You should replace the words "Ork players" with "lolman1c" for this entire post to be correct.
Not really. Ive done my research and asked a many number of people who all want ork boyz to remain the same. We do agree on wnating a bigger ghaz but no bigger than a deff dread is what i hear a lot.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I always say this with a gleeful self gratification tone but I don't care: Orks are a 30+ year old major none addon faction. Why should our main hq, the warboss, not have a plastic model with plenty of options? For grot sakes people! Our start collecting box doesn't even have a hq in it! We were ahout before chaos was even created! Yet, we seem to have slipped into the realm of after thought for the last few editions. We lose a bit of orkiness and fun every codex. I genuinely spoke to someone who thought Orks were a new faction and that's why we weren't good yet! Come on! (Although they could have been just an idiot). The fact is, Orks have lost more models than we have gained... look at all the cool characters and different style of models we used to have.(sure it was cartoonish but they were the only break from the later on teenage hormoned fuelled GrimDark crappy Space Lord of the Rings).
I stole this picture from another post:
This is just 1 page! Yet there was something for everyone! It's so funny because back they GW had s fraction of the budget, way less sales and their entire team was no whrre near as large as it is now. Yet we got more variety in Orks than we have for the last 15 years. So if they did bring a way to have kit so you could actually build klan specific Warbosses then it would be breath of old fresh air and I'd probably buy 1 for every klan. XD
Binabik15 wrote: Orks are in a perfect place to get a Dark Eldar style huge revamp to their model line.
-Ork players often have a "bigger is better" attitude and most would just add new stuff no matter the rules.
-Power-wise they basically only go up, so you still have the playerbase waiting for a strong(er) codex to tap into.
PS: Grot snipers would be amazing.
1. I think you're talking about ultramarine players there buddy. A lot of Orks players couldn't care less about the whole "bigger is better". In fact, if you go to the specific Ork forums you will see the majority of players complaining that GW is going to do what they do best and Flanderize the orks until they're nothing more than just mindless monsters. You have to remember, most Ork players (in my experience) come from the 90s and old editions where the ork was even smaller than the current sized boy (look up the old ghaz who was basically the same size as a boy). Why else would we stick with orks this long? To us our current boyz are just fine and one of the only models sets we're happy with. Gw trying to get us to huy more footslogging boyz we already own would just piss us off more.
2.pffft... that's what we said goi g into 7th edition. Somehow gw found a way to make us worse.
3.yes! All ork players really think "smaller is better". We want grots and squigs!
For a really good analysis of the orks and how we view them please read this guys 50,000 word essay on orks someone linked me once. It's basically what got me back into orks.
(There is a lot of discussion but basically just skip through the pages to find his chapters on different ork topics).
I was talking about the size of your horde with the bigger is better line. Your models don't retire when updated versions come out...they get new buddies
Chopstick wrote: Don't see any sight of GW replacing the very old boyz kit anytime soon, but bringing new unit yes.
Lot of People don't want GW to replace their 25-29US$ boyz with new 40-50US$ boyz. Quantity over Quality. Same for the Guardmen kit.
Man, you should do a search for Astra Militarum threads. Every IG player seems to want a new plastic box of guardsmen. They just can't agree on which regiment should be next.
I think that the current size of an ork boy relative to a Primaris marine is about right. I like the lore about orks getting bigger as they fight, but that can be fairly well represented by taking lots of nob-type units rather than boy-type units. (The rule of three gets a little restrictive there, kind of like how it makes it hard to play some types of veteran IG regiments.) I think the current Boyz and Nobz kits, while old, still look pretty decent.
I wouldn't be mad about new Boyz and Nobz, I just don't think it's necessary, and I have a strong preference for them not making replacement Boyz that are huge and I don't want them to stray too far from the Mad Max gorilla aesthetic they've been using for decades.
I wouldn't mind some larger orks, particularly in the HQ department, but I prefer a more gradual progression. A "Warlord" unit that was a head taller than the current warboss (which would probably make him about the size of a standard SM Dreadnought when kitted out in mega armor) would be awesome. A Ghazzy that was bigger than that would be okay in my book. What I wouldn't particularly care for is to have everything at the current size and then one giant new Ork HQ that's almost the size of a Stompa.
I also wouldn't mind a lieutenant-type Ork that was in-between nob and warboss size. I'd also like a feral orks/yoofs kit that was a little smaller than the current boyz.
The more GSC leaks we get the more my theory that Orks won't get anything comes true... when the first GSC model was shown when Orks were announced i made a post that GSC would be getting the big update Orks dreamed of and Orks would now be lucky to be even getting 1 new model. WHY would GW announce their new model but not an Ork one? Because all the rumours are BS and we do not have anything. XD I hope I'm wrong but the recent leak of a bunch of GSC models basically adds even more evidence to my theory.
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Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: I think that the current size of an ork boy relative to a Primaris marine is about right. I like the lore about orks getting bigger as they fight, but that can be fairly well represented by taking lots of nob-type units rather than boy-type units. (The rule of three gets a little restrictive there, kind of like how it makes it hard to play some types of veteran IG regiments.) I think the current Boyz and Nobz kits, while old, still look pretty decent.
I wouldn't be mad about new Boyz and Nobz, I just don't think it's necessary, and I have a strong preference for them not making replacement Boyz that are huge and I don't want them to stray too far from the Mad Max gorilla aesthetic they've been using for decades.
This is what i keep saying. It's not necessary! They're thenonly kits we don't need an uodate for... I know gw... it's either one or the other so if we got something new I would want it to be some thing we need.
One thing I've been thinking about is how GW has been trying to make new kits work with Power Level, but Nobz currently don't work very well with Power Level. A basic slugga & choppa nob is 17 points, but IIRC nobz can be kitted out to be about 70 points each. Looking at their Power Level I'm pretty sure GW priced them under the assumption that they have one expensive wargear item each (power klaw, kombi weapons, etc.), but that method makes people who want to run more bare-bones nobz pay way too much while still leaving the door open to abuse.
One thing they could do is split the Nobz kit into two different units. Nobz could be much as they are right now, with the option of taking one expensive and one cheaper piece of wargear each. Then they could bring back Skarboyz in the form of more basic nobz who are a Troops choice and have more limited wargear options.
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: One thing I've been thinking about is how GW has been trying to make new kits work with Power Level, but Nobz currently don't work very well with Power Level. A basic slugga & choppa nob is 17 points, but IIRC nobz can be kitted out to be about 70 points each. Looking at their Power Level I'm pretty sure GW priced them under the assumption that they have one expensive wargear item each (power klaw, kombi weapons, etc.), but that method makes people who want to run more bare-bones nobz pay way too much while still leaving the door open to abuse.
One thing they could do is split the Nobz kit into two different units. Nobz could be much as they are right now, with the option of taking one expensive and one cheaper piece of wargear each. Then they could bring back Skarboyz in the form of more basic nobz who are a Troops choice and have more limited wargear options.
IIRC power level is always the average points cost of the cheapest possible build and the most expensive possible build, divided by 20.
Haighus wrote: Grukk is almost guaranteed to be genericised- basically all the other clampack characters who were released as campaign boxsets have been- the BA Captain, Broodlord, Ethereal, SM Captain, and the Deathwatch Captain.
The only ones which have been maintained are Eldrad (who was the only one to be an existing major character) and Krom (who is a Space Wolf, a Chapter which has long been defined by it's characters).
Um, Artemis is still in, even has special relic found nowhere else in SM range.
blaktoof wrote: You must have missed the actual words I typed.
The cryptek with cloak is not a new datasheet with a new model..
Nope. He is new model, and, seeing his surf board pretty much qualifies as jet pack, when new Codex Necrons drops you can bet he will be new datasheet, just like all SMHQs with bikes or 'packs are now separate datasheets. I also like how you ignored 95% of my post, with half a dozen more examples, and lo and behold, pics of two whole new xeno units surfaced today. That's nothing too?
An Actual Englishman wrote: Oh wow, thanks for reminding me man. How dare us Xeno players be upset for getting a singular new Structure model and a singular new HQ model, for one faction each.
Gee, compare that to what SM (or even Imperial) players got in last year, since DI.
Big fat nothing.
Well, there was (purely cosmetic) BA/DA lieutenant, but he had zero new rules, was minor variation on starter set, and provided nothing of note, even to players of these two chapters. Imperium also doesn't have close to dozen new, varied units for multiple factions being actively previewed and hyped - gee, maybe, just maybe, you could compare that to xeno situation and see why people with a sense of perspective just roll eyes at such whining?
I'm also so glad that the GSC aberrant is out already for purchase
Nice moving goalposts there. BTW, it's already being previewed in shops (see next thread), so it's virtually there. Good foot shot though
and the dagger tease that definitely isn'tAOS
Yeah, because they totally have tyranid boneswords in AoS. Again, maybe, just maybe no one takes xeno complains serously because they are that stretched and poorly thought out?
lolman1c wrote: The more GSC leaks we get the more my theory that Orks won't get anything comes true... when the first GSC model was shown when Orks were announced i made a post that GSC would be getting the big update Orks dreamed of and Orks would now be lucky to be even getting 1 new model. WHY would GW announce their new model but not an Ork one? Because all the rumours are BS and we do not have anything. XD I hope I'm wrong but the recent leak of a bunch of GSC models basically adds even more evidence to my theory.
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Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: I think that the current size of an ork boy relative to a Primaris marine is about right. I like the lore about orks getting bigger as they fight, but that can be fairly well represented by taking lots of nob-type units rather than boy-type units. (The rule of three gets a little restrictive there, kind of like how it makes it hard to play some types of veteran IG regiments.) I think the current Boyz and Nobz kits, while old, still look pretty decent.
I wouldn't be mad about new Boyz and Nobz, I just don't think it's necessary, and I have a strong preference for them not making replacement Boyz that are huge and I don't want them to stray too far from the Mad Max gorilla aesthetic they've been using for decades.
This is what i keep saying. It's not necessary! They're thenonly kits we don't need an uodate for... I know gw... it's either one or the other so if we got something new I would want it to be some thing we need.
Because they want to have some neat surprises in a big releae? They managed to keep AoS 2.0's new stuff quiet, unlike the new stuff for Death Guard last year. We knew about Mortarion before they even showed the teaser of his scythe.
Gee, compare that to what SM (or even Imperial) players got in last year, since DI.
Big fat nothing.
You can't actually be serious, can you?
Since Dark Imperium, Space Marines have received;
Aggressors
Reivers
Redemptor
Repulsor
Full Inceptor kit
Full Intercessor kit
Full Helblaster kit
Primaris Captain
Primaris Librarian
Primaris Chaplain
Primaris Apothecary
Not to mention a few others, i.e. specific variations for chapters like the Blood Angels and Deathwatch.
Besides the Space Marine releases, Imperial players have gotten;
Custodian Wardens
Allarus Custodians
Vertus Praetors
Trajaan Valoris
Knight Castellan
Knight Valiant
Armiger Warglaive
Armiger Helverin
Meanwhile, Xenos players have gotten;
Necron Cryptek
Aeldari Webway Portal
What were you saying again? Want to try not being so arrogant and dismissive next time? Get off your high horse
blaktoof wrote: You must have missed the actual words I typed.
The cryptek with cloak is not a new datasheet with a new model..
Nope. He is new model, and, seeing his surf board pretty much qualifies as jet pack, when new Codex Necrons drops you can bet he will be new datasheet, just like all SMHQs with bikes or 'packs are now separate datasheets. I also like how you ignored 95% of my post, with half a dozen more examples, and lo and behold, pics of two whole new xeno units surfaced today. That's nothing too?
Not to be picky, but the new Necron codex did drop, and the Canoptek Cloak is just an alternative equipment option in the same old Cryptek datasheet.
Guys, don't engage with the obviously wrong troll who is desperately trying to take this discussion off topic.
Topic is for Ork rumours, not to engage with insane SM players who somehow believe they've been short changed with model releases, despite seeing the majority of new model releases so far in 8th.
The rumors of an updated Gorkamorka game sounds like a great opportunity to put out some new Ork vehicles. I would love to be able to play an updated Orks vs. Orks skirmish game with vehicles, that sounds like amazing fun. If that doesn't officially happen, I'm actually planning to do that myself using Necromunda rules. It's just a too good opportunity to miss.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Do y'all think the looted wagon will be just a simple datasheet or a way to use other armies monsters and vehicles? How friggin cool would that be?
I'm hoping for a strategem that will allow reroll misses. Or if they wanna sell models make Badruk with flashgits do that. I mean, I have not used flashgits in 10 years of play. (Nor wartracks / buggies). I think buggies maybe pretty good though.
Honestly, rerolling is so boring a laim. I'd want a fun system where every unit has small crappy bonuses that cost like 5pts. But when they all work together it's awesome but will fall apart when you army falls aparts. So red paint making stuff go a inch further but then if you got like 3 vechiles with red pai t they go 3" further, or yellow paint adds another 1 to the number of shots you have for explosive weapons ut the more yellow you got the more +1s you get... or even blue makes you lucky so you actually do have a reason to get more rerolls.
Gee, compare that to what SM (or even Imperial) players got in last year, since DI.
Big fat nothing.
You can't actually be serious, can you?
Since Dark Imperium, Space Marines have received;
Aggressors
Reivers
Redemptor
Repulsor
Full Inceptor kit
Full Intercessor kit
Full Helblaster kit
Primaris Captain
Primaris Librarian
Primaris Chaplain
Primaris Apothecary
Not to mention a few others, i.e. specific variations for chapters like the Blood Angels and Deathwatch.
Besides the Space Marine releases, Imperial players have gotten;
Custodian Wardens
Allarus Custodians
Vertus Praetors
Trajaan Valoris
Knight Castellan
Knight Valiant
Armiger Warglaive
Armiger Helverin
Meanwhile, Xenos players have gotten;
Necron Cryptek
Aeldari Webway Portal
What were you saying again? Want to try not being so arrogant and dismissive next time? Get off your high horse
I'd like to add the cryptek isn't a new unit, it's a new model for an unit that already existed.
Further the new Primus model and new aberrant models- which aren't released yet and rumors didn't exist at this threads Inception are new models for units that already exist.
The only new unit for any xenos faction has been the webway terrain.
All if the models you listed are also new units for Imperium.
Oguhmek wrote: The rumors of an updated Gorkamorka game sounds like a great opportunity to put out some new Ork vehicles. I would love to be able to play an updated Orks vs. Orks skirmish game with vehicles, that sounds like amazing fun. If that doesn't officially happen, I'm actually planning to do that myself using Necromunda rules. It's just a too good opportunity to miss.
I would like a new Gorkamorka game. Gorkamorka was popular and getting lots of articles in WD when I first started, but unfortunately I never got to play.
It would be expensive, but I was thinking about doing a scaled up version of Gorkamorka where the boyz were fully-magnetized nobz, the nobz were warbosses and the vehicles were all plasticard and designed to be modular. I don't want regular 40k orks to become larger, but in the context of a self-contained orks-only skirmish game I think it could be fun.
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lolman1c wrote: Honestly, rerolling is so boring a laim. I'd want a fun system where every unit has small crappy bonuses that cost like 5pts. But when they all work together it's awesome but will fall apart when you army falls aparts. So red paint making stuff go a inch further but then if you got like 3 vechiles with red pai t they go 3" further, or yellow paint adds another 1 to the number of shots you have for explosive weapons ut the more yellow you got the more +1s you get... or even blue makes you lucky so you actually do have a reason to get more rerolls.
I hope they are careful with re-rolls when it comes to orks. With lots of dice already being rolled it could bog the game down.
I could see some fluffy re-roll abilities or stratagems with the Deathskulls though. Even their clan stratagem being a copy of command re-roll would be pretty useful. If it was command re-roll and you add +1 to the roll that would be amazing.
I'm hoping all of our units get more flavorful special abilities right on their data sheets, rather than relying entirely on stratagems to add the flavor back to units.
Hell no, I expect no copy pasting at all! We're one of the last codecies and the dev team has proven 40k they can do unique fluffy special traits. Look at the necrons, they're not all amazing but that's what's so good abiut them, they just really unique small buffs. If we just get a copy paste of Marine crap then there was no point of us comming last and would suggest our codex was ready a year ago.
What worries me the most is our chapter approved changes. They were terrible! I feel like the whole point of CA was to 1. Balance the gane. 2. Advertise the kind of stuff we should be looking forward too. All we got was +1 strenght, a better Axe, a trait that's a worse version of other factions ability who have better BS and a trait that's only semi okay because the community is cheesing the hell out of it.
Points adjustments are scary with the new Knights. They likely made the knight codex about the same time CA was being made or came out yet our Morkanaut is noway price correctly. Our PK change was about the only good thing... really hope the strats and points are better in our codex!
As for Gorkamorka. People dislike how it segmented the Mad Max ork style but I would be lying if I said I didn't like Mad Max Orks. XD
lolman1c wrote: Hell no, I expect no copy pasting at all! We're one of the last codecies and the dev team has proven 40k they can do unique fluffy special traits. Look at the necrons, they're not all amazing but that's what's so good abiut them, they just really unique small buffs. If we just get a copy paste of Marine crap then there was no point of us comming last and would suggest our codex was ready a year ago.
What worries me the most is our chapter approved changes. They were terrible! I feel like the whole point of CA was to 1. Balance the gane. 2. Advertise the kind of stuff we should be looking forward too. All we got was +1 strenght, a better Axe, a trait that's a worse version of other factions ability who have better BS and a trait that's only semi okay because the community is cheesing the hell out of it.
Points adjustments are scary with the new Knights. They likely made the knight codex about the same time CA was being made or came out yet our Morkanaut is noway price correctly. Our PK change was about the only good thing... really hope the strats and points are better in our codex!
As for Gorkamorka. People dislike how it segmented the Mad Max ork style but I would be lying if I said I didn't like Mad Max Orks. XD
CA was a disappointment for pretty much every index army, so I wouldn't use that as a measurement for how the codex will turn out.
Unfortunately as the days tick by its harder to escape the view Orks might not get anything. Rumours of Ghaz and maybe a Warlord seem weird, because its hard to see why they would spend the time on that without doing a more unified set of models they can push at the same time.
I already have three Buggies and three Wartrakks. Don´t need bigger stuff of the same unit type. But I would like to see more orky giant walkers like the Morkanaut for my custom IKR game.
As I say, the more Gsc leaks we get the more it is obvious they're the xenos faction getting the update the orks wanted. Which is funny because nobody even expected that.
I think we all hoped for something after what they did to orks the ladt few editions. We just want something to show they actually care or even want to continue the ork franchise. The fact our starter box can't help you start a game, our main hq can't be bought in store, the majority of our points were out of wack (more than any other index army... even when everyone had the index our shooting was somehow the only twin linked weapons to be double and more their value), we only have 1 okay unit and play style,, our models are expensive for what we get, we are about to lose a bunch of options, we're nowhere near as diverse as we used to be and our faction is nothing like it used to be in the 90s... the index is kimda just boring...
Anyway, we will se when we see but at this point the community is ready for a civil war... every youtuber buys into the idea that we have to have an uodate because orks suck (i don't think orks suck (they do kinda gameplay wise but not style and lore wise)) and they need an update. If we are completely ignored, even if we got a steller amazing codex ork fans liked, the overall communit will probably freak. Ork players like myself will just be happy we can play Evil Sunz without auto lose hanging over us.
The rules for the mega dread have been updated. The rules were combined in the meka dread. Which now has the options for killkannon arm, big shootas and mega charga. The only arm option that is still sold that doesn’t technically have rules is the kill saw arm which is still proxy as a megaklaw.
Regarding orks we are getting a substantial release according to the devs who literally said this at GAMA.
lolman1c wrote: As I say, the more Gsc leaks we get the more it is obvious they're the xenos faction getting the update the orks wanted. Which is funny because nobody even expected that.
I think we all hoped for something after what they did to orks the ladt few editions. We just want something to show they actually care or even want to continue the ork franchise. The fact our starter box can't help you start a game, our main hq can't be bought in store, the majority of our points were out of wack (more than any other index army... even when everyone had the index our shooting was somehow the only twin linked weapons to be double and more their value), we only have 1 okay unit and play style,, our models are expensive for what we get, we are about to lose a bunch of options, we're nowhere near as diverse as we used to be and our faction is nothing like it used to be in the 90s... the index is kimda just boring...
Anyway, we will se when we see but at this point the community is ready for a civil war... every youtuber buys into the idea that we have to have an uodate because orks suck (i don't think orks suck (they do kinda gameplay wise but not style and lore wise)) and they need an update. If we are completely ignored, even if we got a steller amazing codex ork fans liked, the overall communit will probably freak. Ork players like myself will just be happy we can play Evil Sunz without auto lose hanging over us.
5th we didn't get a codex and got weaker as the edition progressed
6th we didn't get a codex and got weaker as the edition progressed
7th we finally got a codex that was so weak that we were bottom tier.
7.5 we got 2 supplements and a new flyer they were all terrible and riddled with poor design.
8th our index comes out and we are unarguably bottom tier again with only the standard Boyz unit making us even remotely competitive.
We are now at the point where we either get a good codex or you are going to see a lot of people abandoning 40K and spending their hobby money somewhere else. You can not go 10 years without giving a faction a decent codex and expect to make sales. Hell, most ork players I know don't even buy from GW anymore. They just scavenge off players who are quitting and putting their armies up on EBAY and other places.
Our codex sucked however orks had several spammy good options In 7th stop crying how we sucked. Greentide has been decent for 2 editions and bullyboys were decent last edition. 6th edition dread mob was decent and early 5th nob bikers were brokenly good
gungo wrote: Our codex sucked however orks had several spammy good options In 7th stop crying how we sucked. Greentide has been decent for 2 editions and bullyboys were decent last edition. 6th edition dread mob was decent and early 5th nob bikers were brokenly good
Spammy options that were good, not competitive. I define all our good builds in 7th by one word "Gimmick". Green Tide relied on fear, like actual player fear of the army itself rather then the units it fought against. You could attack a green tide on 2 sides and watch the entire thing spend the rest of the game consolidating into CC. Bullyboyz wasn't that good either, which was evident by its lack of success at tournaments. They were great for fun games but not really competitive in the tournament meta. Had 7th not been the cluster feth it was, by that I mean the power creep with invisible death stars, super psychic powers and the rest then Orkz would have done ok with those supplements, but compared to what everyone else was getting orkz didn't do well.
As for 8th, I honestly don't care what we get so long as its competitive and doesn't involve me taking 150+ Boyz to a single game to have a chance of winning.
SemperMortis wrote: Hell, most ork players I know don't even buy from GW anymore. They just scavenge off players who are quitting and putting their armies up on EBAY and other places.
I stand guilty.... of having scavenged most of a very fine collection.
for maybe 1/3 the cost of GW mail order.
Won't be picking up any wartrakks of buggies however, until they are redesigned and rereleased.
The current models are laughable.
gungo wrote: Regarding orks we are getting a substantial release according to the devs who literally said this at GAMA.
Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source for this? I'm of the belief that Orks will be getting a lot of new kits, but it'd be nice to see any kind of confirmation of this. It's a model line that could use a lot of love.
lolman1c wrote: As I say, the more Gsc leaks we get the more it is obvious they're the xenos faction getting the update the orks wanted.
Getting the update orks wanted? Dude, it's two new model kits. Chill out.
They're also almost certainly intended for the opening Killteam releases, saying as how the GSC codex isn't due any time soon.
That was pretty much what was said (in the form of hints rather than outright statement)... plus GSC is the design studio manager's pet army, so he was too excited to keep the aberrant under wraps
gungo wrote: Our codex sucked however orks had several spammy good options In 7th stop crying how we sucked. Greentide has been decent for 2 editions and bullyboys were decent last edition. 6th edition dread mob was decent and early 5th nob bikers were brokenly good
Spammy options that were good, not competitive. I define all our good builds in 7th by one word "Gimmick". Green Tide relied on fear, like actual player fear of the army itself rather then the units it fought against. You could attack a green tide on 2 sides and watch the entire thing spend the rest of the game consolidating into CC. Bullyboyz wasn't that good either, which was evident by its lack of success at tournaments. They were great for fun games but not really competitive in the tournament meta. Had 7th not been the cluster feth it was, by that I mean the power creep with invisible death stars, super psychic powers and the rest then Orkz would have done ok with those supplements, but compared to what everyone else was getting orkz didn't do well.
As for 8th, I honestly don't care what we get so long as its competitive and doesn't involve me taking 150+ Boyz to a single game to have a chance of winning.
In 7th edition I charged 30 boyz into a mob of 5 necron snipers who DS in and killed my warboss. I lost the fight and my orks ran away.... that was basically 7th edition orks in anutshell for me.
SemperMortis wrote: Hell, most ork players I know don't even buy from GW anymore. They just scavenge off players who are quitting and putting their armies up on EBAY and other places.
I stand guilty.... of having scavenged most of a very fine collection.
for maybe 1/3 the cost of GW mail order.
Won't be picking up any wartrakks of buggies however, until they are redesigned and rereleased.
The current models are laughable.
Nothing can beat my 100 orks for a £15. 20 were already painted in a style that didn't fit mine so I sold them for £15, 5 or 10 of them were the old metal storm boyz so i sold them for £15 and the rest were metal nobz of which I sold some for £15 and kept the rest for scenery statues of old ork heros.
Oh man... the good ebay deals always make me so happy. By 100 orks for £15, make £30 profit and basically get paid to own 60 boyz. Ahhhhhhhh. The good life....
lolman1c wrote: As I say, the more Gsc leaks we get the more it is obvious they're the xenos faction getting the update the orks wanted.
Getting the update orks wanted? Dude, it's two new model kits. Chill out.
not worth arguing with him about he's already detirmined that unless Orks get a dozen new kits and are brokenly OP that GW clearly hates orks.
Wut? I never even mentioned being competitive, I just want to play Evil Sunz without being trashed. I even say: 'Ork players like myself will just be happy we can play Evil Sunz without auto lose hanging over us.'
gungo wrote: The rules for the mega dread have been updated. The rules were combined in the meka dread. Which now has the options for killkannon arm, big shootas and mega charga. The only arm option that is still sold that doesn’t technically have rules is the kill saw arm which is still proxy as a megaklaw.
Regarding orks we are getting a substantial release according to the devs who literally said this at GAMA.
Also just because cult gets models doesn't mean orks can't. Codexes are about done so it starts to be time for gw to start releasing lots of models. Remember models sell most of their lifetime sales on first few months so long draught of relative lack of model releases isn't something gw wants to do forever
Heafstaag wrote: I saw a rumor somewhere a while back that said snakebite boyz would have 2 choppas, and would limited to 1 unit to other clanz. I like that idea!
I don't understand the second part of the rumor, like only one unit of Snakebite Boyz or a Snakebite army can only have one unit from another clan? Either way, doesn't make much sense to me.
It reads like other clans will only be able to take one unit of Snakebite Boyz. Which makes no sense unless they're an elite unit and are way better than a standard Boyz unit, but can be taken as troops in a Snakebite army - like the Cult CSMs.
Either that or Boyz got a Nerf so they could make snakebites special, and standard Boyz don't get the +1A for having a Choppa, but Snakebites with dual choppas do.
Edit: looking at it in context on the Community site it probably doesnt mean too much now that I think about it.
All it would probably mean is that Space Wolves are coming before Orks, but based on what we already knew from the article that confirmed the two codices, that was already likely (Space Wolves on the left, Orks on the right).
Heafstaag wrote:I saw a rumor somewhere a while back that said snakebite boyz would have 2 choppas, and would limited to 1 unit to other clanz. I like that idea!
This reads like Snakebitez won't have their own full clan rules, but will be represented by a pseudo-auxiliary unit that doesn't break your clan allegiance, much like Scourges for Dark Eldar albeit with a one-per-clan restriction.
Honestly I'm not buying into any Ork rumours unless Atia or someone of that level of credibility mentions something.
gungo wrote: The rules for the mega dread have been updated. The rules were combined in the meka dread. Which now has the options for killkannon arm, big shootas and mega charga. The only arm option that is still sold that doesn’t technically have rules is the kill saw arm which is still proxy as a megaklaw.
Regarding orks we are getting a substantial release according to the devs who literally said this at GAMA.
Really?
When did this happen?
I am both happy and shocked! Thanks!
During the last big faq. I already sent feedback regarding the missing killsaw arm rules but sadly the best wpn for mega dreads are the suppa skorchas which got no rules or model either. But it got the best of both models bs4 and an extra atk for a second klaw. The killkannon and rattler are decent and the mega charga and kff are decent too.
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‘• The Meka-Dread may replace one of its rippa klaws
with one of the following weapons: killkannon, big zzappa, shunta or ratler kannon.’
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‘• The Meka-Dread must take one of the following:
rokkit-bomms, two big shootas, the Mega Charga ability or a Kustom Force Field.’
Edit: looking at it in context on the Community site it probably doesnt mean too much now that I think about it.
All it would probably mean is that Space Wolves are coming before Orks, but based on what we already knew from the article that confirmed the two codices, that was already likely (Space Wolves on the left, Orks on the right).
Heafstaag wrote: I saw a rumor somewhere a while back that said snakebite boyz would have 2 choppas, and would limited to 1 unit to other clanz. I like that idea!
I don't understand the second part of the rumor, like only one unit of Snakebite Boyz or a Snakebite army can only have one unit from another clan? Either way, doesn't make much sense to me.
I think it was other clans could only take one unit of snakebite boyz. Snakebites could of course take as many as they wanted, as they are snakebites. I don't remember where I read that, and it was at LEAST a month and a half ago, but it sounded neat.
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zend wrote: It reads like other clans will only be able to take one unit of Snakebite Boyz. Which makes no sense unless they're an elite unit and are way better than a standard Boyz unit, but can be taken as troops in a Snakebite army - like the Cult CSMs.
Either that or Boyz got a Nerf so they could make snakebites special, and standard Boyz don't get the +1A for having a Choppa, but Snakebites with dual choppas do.
Heafstaag wrote: I saw a rumor somewhere a while back that said snakebite boyz would have 2 choppas, and would limited to 1 unit to other clanz. I like that idea!
I don't understand the second part of the rumor, like only one unit of Snakebite Boyz or a Snakebite army can only have one unit from another clan? Either way, doesn't make much sense to me.
I think it was other clans could only take one unit of snakebite boyz. Snakebites could of course take as many as they wanted, as they are snakebites. I don't remember where I read that, and it was at LEAST a month and a half ago, but it sounded neat.
So maybe they're going to have entirely different unit entries for Boyz from different clans like they did pre-3rd? That could be interesting. I don't know why it would be only Snakebites though, unless Snakebites were getting their own kit or if instead of Snakebites it was Feral Orks.
zend wrote: It reads like other clans will only be able to take one unit of Snakebite Boyz. Which makes no sense unless they're an elite unit and are way better than a standard Boyz unit, but can be taken as troops in a Snakebite army - like the Cult CSMs.
Either that or Boyz got a Nerf so they could make snakebites special, and standard Boyz don't get the +1A for having a Choppa, but Snakebites with dual choppas do.
Plz don't let boyz be nerfed.
What would you guys think of them nerfing Boyz, but having clan bonuses that were pretty extreme that made up for it? Boyz are good, but most everything else needs a boost, so that could be one way of making everything better without making Boyz too good. It could also make the clans play very differently, but it might make them too locked in to a single playstyle each.
Well, maybe that's what the upgrade kits are? Kits for the different clans!
It would be extreme to nerf the boyz. I'd have to see all the buffs to other units to see if it would be worth nerfing da boyz, the heart and soul of my ork army!
That snakebite rumour could be an exclusive option for Boyz in a snakebites clan which is what those upgrade packs are clan upgrades for your Boyz. This makes more sense to me then a clan unit of Boyz that any other clans can use. This way you could also have for example bad moon boyz can take snazzgun and better shoota/slugga.
Heafstaag wrote: Well, maybe that's what the upgrade kits are? Kits for the different clans!
It would be extreme to nerf the boyz. I'd have to see all the buffs to other units to see if it would be worth nerfing da boyz, the heart and soul of my ork army!
Upgrade kits for different clans would be cool.
To be clear what I was trying to say was that the basic Boyz statline would get a nerf, but then the clan abilities (which would also apply to Boyz) would make Boyz as good or better in the end while everything other than Boyz would get massively better.
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Zhothac Thoth wrote: That snakebite rumour could be an exclusive option for Boyz in a snakebites clan which is what those upgrade packs are clan upgrades for your Boyz. This makes more sense to me then a clan unit of Boyz that any other clans can use. This way you could also have for example bad moon boyz can take snazzgun and better shoota/slugga.
That would be pretty cool. I like having lots of options.
This is pure wishful thinking, but one thing that would make the delay worth it would be if our Codex featured loads of kitbashing articles that not only kept us from losing units, but also returned units that had been cut previously and even gave us new options (like Snazzgunz in Bad Moon Boyz units).
lolman1c wrote: Hell no, I expect no copy pasting at all! We're one of the last codecies and the dev team has proven 40k they can do unique fluffy special traits. Look at the necrons, they're not all amazing but that's what's so good abiut them, they just really unique small buffs. If we just get a copy paste of Marine crap then there was no point of us comming last and would suggest our codex was ready a year ago.
What worries me the most is our chapter approved changes. They were terrible! I feel like the whole point of CA was to 1. Balance the gane. 2. Advertise the kind of stuff we should be looking forward too. All we got was +1 strenght, a better Axe, a trait that's a worse version of other factions ability who have better BS and a trait that's only semi okay because the community is cheesing the hell out of it.
Points adjustments are scary with the new Knights. They likely made the knight codex about the same time CA was being made or came out yet our Morkanaut is noway price correctly. Our PK change was about the only good thing... really hope the strats and points are better in our codex!
As for Gorkamorka. People dislike how it segmented the Mad Max ork style but I would be lying if I said I didn't like Mad Max Orks. XD
Really unique small buffs? I have to disagree with that. There is almost nothing unique about the Necron codex. It was clearly rushed (this is especially notable when you look at all the mistakes in the codex). They barely changed anything other than a few statlines. I would also argue that Necrons are one of the worst armies right now at least at 2000 points.
Also I doubt there will be many if any new models for Orks given that the xenos races have basically been forgotten as far as models go.
gungo wrote: Regarding orks we are getting a substantial release according to the devs who literally said this at GAMA.
Not exactly what was said afaik. What the devs actually said was that the later releases have generally had models too and Orks would follow this release type. Now if you think the webway portal qualifies as a substantial release then fair enough, I do not. I also have concerns that we won't get any new kits and this would without question be an insult to Ork players.
Boys should absolutely not get a nerf. The troops for every other codex release to date have only been buffed. Why should our troops be any different?
An Actual Englishman wrote: Boys should absolutely not get a nerf. The troops for every other codex release to date have only been buffed. Why should our troops be any different?
I definitely don't think that Boyz should be nerfed in a vacuum. What I was saying was what if Boyz got a nerf, but our Chapter Tactics equivalents were way better than what other armies have been given, so overall Boyz would be the same or better while everything else we have would get a lot better
I doubt that's what they'll do, but it was just something I was thinking about because Boyz are already good while a lot of our units are really, really bad.
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: I know a guy that says they managed to get a sample of DNA from a hair Andy Chambers left behind, and they've been grooming his clone to write the next Ork codex.
Apparently this was supposed to happen years ago, but Andy Chamber's lawyers claimed that his DNA was his intellectual property, while GW's lawyers claim that because the hair was produced while he worked for them they own it.
I heard that while the case will probably be settled next year we shouldn't get our hopes up because the clone is in an emo teenage phase and insists on being allowed to write a Blood Angels vs Night Lords RPG as his first project.
While I would probably buy a few Evil Sunz upgrade packs, I don't know that we actually need them as much as we need refreshes on our kits and plastic HQ kits (with options pretty please GW)
I would buy the absolute gak out of a "command squad" kit similar to exalted sorcerors, IG command squad or SM command squad with options to make a Warboss, a Big Mek sans mega armor or SAG options, a Weirdboy, and a Nob with Waagh Banner. You could get kunnin' with it and include a few cute swaps (say, make an arm holding a stick, and the top of the stick can either be a weirdboy staff or a waaagh banner) so that you could make 2 meks, 2 weirdboys, etc depending on what you actually want for your army. Four torsos, with one being dedicated to the warboss and 3 being somewhat swappable would be worth a 50$ investment to me just like the Exalted Sorceror kit was, because I truly felt like I could make my HQs feel like they were customized and "mine".
gungo wrote: Regarding orks we are getting a substantial release according to the devs who literally said this at GAMA.
Not exactly what was said afaik. What the devs actually said was that the later releases have generally had models too and Orks would follow this release type. Now if you think the webway portal qualifies as a substantial release then fair enough, I do not. I also have concerns that we won't get any new kits and this would without question be an insult to Ork players.
Boys should absolutely not get a nerf. The troops for every other codex release to date have only been buffed. Why should our troops be any different?
That’s not what they said at all. What they said was orks were getting a larger release unlike the past few codexs. This is the exact opposite of the webway gate.
The community page said the ork codex will be packed with new content.
And the dev video said they reworked most of the ork units.
Boys should absolutely not get a nerf. The troops for every other codex release to date have only been buffed. Why should our troops be any different?
Because currently green tide works reasonably well tournament wise, and laughs at everything else in the codex, and with a half decent chapter tactic it would be even better?
I mean lets imagine Boys became 5 points, Blood Axe Clan rules were -1 to hit outside 12", and there was a vaguely decent set of stratagems with a CP farm warlord trait/artefact.
Its hard not to see how boy spam wouldn't be top tier, and also make the rest of the codex look like a joke.
This is probably the case even leaving Boys at 6 points.
So, this new boss was posted on the French warhammer-forum, with the guy telling us this is from the same source as the Mortarion leak. Not quite sure what to make of it, it doesn't really look GW-ish to me, but I can't find any other source for the image.
There are some differences but it does look incredibly similar to Kiborc with a quick google search. Agreed it doesnt look very GW, especially the face.
Blood Axe getting - 1 to hit? From their purposely bad Camouflage patterns? Please Gork no. An Outflanking deployment and No Overwatch seems better fitting.
I love that ork model but thats definitely not GW, the face gives it away. There is a very noticeable different in modeling between GW orks and third party "totally not meant for 40k" orks
I sold my tau but held onto my orks because i love these guys' aesthetics so much. I swear to god if we get the short end of the stick again, even after GW's codex announcement saying "the wait will be worth it", i'm going to be livid. I cant even play right now because Orks are only good at green tide atm, and i love my walkers/bikers, not to mention every race that has their actual codex has a TON of stuff index armies dont have, making that alone kinda unfair balancewise. Green tide is boring anyway.
I dont even care if they give us any new models personally, i just want plastics of the oodles of nonplastics we got and the units we have actually playable. I'm also fine with Ghaz going back to LoW as long as hes actually WORTH IT - last time was a fething insult moving him to LoW and actually nerfing him in the process too, when he was already a major toss up between him or a generic MegaBoss.
I forget where i heard it but the words "Prime Ork" popped up when i was looking for rumors a couple weeks ago. That kinda worries me we might get the same Primaris crap SM did.
Vineheart01 wrote: I forget where i heard it but the words "Prime Ork" popped up when i was looking for rumors a couple weeks ago. That kinda worries me we might get the same Primaris crap SM did.
It's from the War of the Beast series. The 'prime orks' were six ridiculously large ork warlords, apparently one for each clan. I don't think it was ever made clear if they were the origin of the six clans or just incarnations of their power.
I guess it's possible they will have multiple giant orks (possibly as options within the same kit), with Ghazghkull being only one of them. There has been plenty of time (and violence) for some other warlords to rise in stature.
If they do go down the Prime Ork route for anything, it would be Ghazzy. In the lore its pretty clear that Prime Orks are exceedingly rare, so I think theres very little risk of them being rank and file troops like Primaris marines
Thats good to hear.
Its the fact that Primaris stuff doesnt mingle with nonPrimaris is why i was concerned about it. That just felt really unfair to SM players.
I think the intent of Prime Orks is for them to be Ork Primarch equivalents (Primeork = Primarch, very clever I know), so it would likely be limited to Warboss/Warlord types like Ghazzy.
Anyone wanna theorize what the clan tactics will be?
I'm thinking:
Goffs: +1 strength on the charge. Can never lose more than one model to morale.
Evil Sunz: +1 to all form of movement (including charges) or +2 if a vehicle
Snakebites: 6+ FNP, all units may replace a slugga with a choppa. Restricted unit choices from tech based units (like lootas or battlewagons and stuff)
Bad Moonz: One free item for Nobs and characters OR alternatively one free item per unit (same thing as the previous, but better)
Deathskulls: +1 to invuln saves (they are the luckiest)
Blood Axes: Count as being in cover when getting shot.
Boys should absolutely not get a nerf. The troops for every other codex release to date have only been buffed. Why should our troops be any different?
Because currently green tide works reasonably well tournament wise, and laughs at everything else in the codex, and with a half decent chapter tactic it would be even better?
I mean lets imagine Boys became 5 points, Blood Axe Clan rules were -1 to hit outside 12", and there was a vaguely decent set of stratagems with a CP farm warlord trait/artefact.
Its hard not to see how boy spam wouldn't be top tier, and also make the rest of the codex look like a joke.
This is probably the case even leaving Boys at 6 points.
Note how -1 to hit trait has been missing since eldar codex. Blood axe will NOT get that. I'm 99.99% positive on that.
And the green tide isn't exactly super hot these days with new codexes providing shooting power that will simply melt ork armies in 4-5 turns. Without hell of a slowplay green tide doesn't hold much of a chance.
Billagio wrote: I think the intent of Prime Orks is for them to be Ork Primarch equivalents (Primeork = Primarch, very clever I know), so it would likely be limited to Warboss/Warlord types like Ghazzy.
That being said its GW so anything is possible.
I never noticed that pun before now and now I'm upset because I'll never be able to unhear it.
Following up on what was said earlier: I think it would be a bad business move if gw did bring out clan boyz kits. 1. Most Ork players already have more bouz than they can paint. 2. If they brought oit buggies and new bosses we would more likely buy those models.
Death Skulls I would like to see some exploding hits on 6s or exploding damage on 6s to wound to represent their better luck. Goff, just a simple +1 to Str. Bad Moons add 1 to shots of shooting weapons (for assault 3 shootaz, assault 2 got blastaz), blood axe outflanking and prevent Overwatch. Evil Suns 2d6 pick highest for advances. Snake bites... I want something a bit more clever than a 6+fnp.
I would be fine with that, but to me the clear winners would be Goffs or Bad Moons (for infantry). Blood axes would be really strong for mechanized lists.
I'd also love to see a rule to where ork shooting can never be modified below a 5+. At the moment that would be required to even hope to play shooty orks or have shooty ork elements in your army due to all the negative to hit modifiers out there.
Billagio wrote: I havnt played against a army that has a lot of - to hit modifiers, but is it possible to lower it below a 6+? aka you cant hit at all?
Then you have never played against half of the marine lists, half of the admech lists,half of the chaos lists, or all of the Aeldari lists. These are all either army wide -1 to hits or feature a great deal of - to hit stratagems or abilities. Yes it is possible to modify a dice roll above 7, but not below one meaning that if an ork loota shot at a unit with a -2 to hit (or a -1 to, but the loota moved) it is literally impossible for the loota to hit it.
gungo wrote: That’s not what they said at all. What they said was orks were getting a larger release unlike the past few codexs. This is the exact opposite of the webway gate.
The community page said the ork codex will be packed with new content.
And the dev video said they reworked most of the ork units.
No where did they say anything what you quoted.
Were you there? Multiple people who did attend said what I wrote in my previous post. That the later codex releases have tended to have models and the same is likely to be true of Orks. It could be a Knight sized release or a Harlequin sized one.
The community page have said every codex has been "packed with new content".
Don't remember a dev video? Care to post it?
Tyel wrote: Because currently green tide works reasonably well tournament wise, and laughs at everything else in the codex, and with a half decent chapter tactic it would be even better?
I mean lets imagine Boys became 5 points, Blood Axe Clan rules were -1 to hit outside 12", and there was a vaguely decent set of stratagems with a CP farm warlord trait/artefact.
Its hard not to see how boy spam wouldn't be top tier, and also make the rest of the codex look like a joke.
This is probably the case even leaving Boys at 6 points.
The fix is to make our currently underpowered units as good as Boyz, not to make Boyz worse. I can't see us getting the -1 to hit trait either, it's not for hordes really.
They do have to be careful with how the do the "Chapter Tactics" for orks. Have something that is rather minor for most units can get magnified exponentially when applied to boyz due to volume.
I am worried that even if they make the rest of the codex somewhat decent and dont touch boyz at all except for chapter tactics that boyz spam will still be the go-to list simply because theyre already good and would only be getting better.
On the other hand I dont want to see my boyz nerfed :/
Billagio wrote: They do have to be careful with how the do the "Chapter Tactics" for orks. Have something that is rather minor for most units can get magnified exponentially when applied to boyz due to volume.
I am worried that even if they make the rest of the codex somewhat decent and dont touch boyz at all except for chapter tactics that boyz spam will still be the go-to list simply because theyre already good and would only be getting better.
On the other hand I dont want to see my boyz nerfed :/
I agree with this.
Another reason they have to be careful is that a lot of Chapter Tactics fir Clans might look fitting and lore-friendly on the surface, but actually promote playstyles that aren't lore friendly.
For instance, if all Evil Sunz models get an extra inch or two of movement or get to roll 2d6 and pick the highest when advancing, I think we'd see a lot of footslogging Evil Sunz infantry. Maybe they limit it to vehicles, but then do we get a bunch of Evil Sunz dread mobs? Movement bonuses definitely seem in line with the Evil Sunz way of war, but at the same time I think small movement bonuses favor slow units more than units that are already fast.
cuda1179 wrote: I know this is a super longshot, but how cool would it be if they brought BoarBoys back? I've missed them since 3rd edition.
That would be pretty cool. I've got one cyboar head that I was going to use to make a Painboy on bike (boar).
I've got a bunch of old Fantasy boars that I'm not sure what to do with. I was thinking about making bomb squigs out if them (bomb pigs). The old boars look really dated though, so I might just use them as objective markers or in scenery.
This is total head cannon, and not backed up by anything I've read, but I like to think that the boars often associated with feral orks and Snakebites are actually what hair squigs grow into eventually. Orks are a travelling invasive ecosystem, and having a variety of squig that looks like a boar would explain why they are on so many ork worlds.
Similarly, I like to think that many of the poisonous serpents and other venemous critters that the Snakebites use in their rituals are often varieties of squig. This isn't completely unsupported, as IIRC there are images of Zogwort with snake-like squigs. If I ever learn to sculpt I would also like to model some bull-looking squiggoths to explain (in my own mind) the Goff clan symbol.
Nightlord1987 wrote: Blood Axe getting - 1 to hit? From their purposely bad Camouflage patterns? Please Gork no. An Outflanking deployment and No Overwatch seems better fitting.
Agreed. I like Tibs' suggestion of +1 cover, which gives a straight 20% reduction in damage against AP0, vs 20% - 50% with -1 to hit. The latter is an example of GW terrible balance.
I don't want to play the "That Guy" army. Nor do I want everyone to play Blood Axes because they are auto takes vs the other clans.
Another reason they have to be careful is that a lot of Chapter Tactics fir Clans might look fitting and lore-friendly on the surface, but actually promote playstyles that aren't lore friendly.
For instance, if all Evil Sunz models get an extra inch or two of movement or get to roll 2d6 and pick the highest when advancing, I think we'd see a lot of footslogging Evil Sunz infantry. Maybe they limit it to vehicles, but then do we get a bunch of Evil Sunz dread mobs? Movement bonuses definitely seem in line with the Evil Sunz way of war, but at the same time I think small movement bonuses favor slow units more than units that are already fast.
The simple fix to the Evil Sunz problem you mentioned is to make the bonus different for models with the bike and transport keyword.
GW just need to be intelligent in how they apply the Clan rules.
For Evil Sunz, people always just expect extra movement in some way, I'd rather they have a hit and run type ability, that's what sums up their way of war best to me.
FWIW I think if Orks had got their Codex 9 months ago they would have got -1 to hit, but I agree even GW have twigged this is a ability that is loathed by everyone who doesn't play said factions (and even then...) and so they won't hand it out any more.
I'd be interested to see how a "Orks never suffer negative to hit penalties" rule would play out. Might slightly screw with Eldar especially but they deserve it.
An Actual Englishman wrote: The simple fix to the Evil Sunz problem you mentioned is to make the bonus different for models with the bike and transport keyword.
GW just need to be intelligent in how they apply the Clan rules.
For Evil Sunz, people always just expect extra movement in some way, I'd rather they have a hit and run type ability, that's what sums up their way of war best to me.
That fix would do it. It leaves a few units like Buggies out in the cold, but there's probably a fix even for that.
My point was, like you said, that GW needs to think the clan bonuses through and not just copy/paste them from previous codexes. When the early codexes were coming out I was worried about that happening, but it seems like the later codexes don't have as much copy)paste and so I'm more optimistic.
I like the idea of hit and run as well. I'd also like to see a Red Goes Gasta type of rule, but that could easily be a stratagem or wargear upgrade. Lastly I'd like to see a bailin' out stratagem kind of like the Trukk Boyz had back in 3rd. Maybe something like it increases the disembarkation range to 6", and during emergency disembarkations re-roll 1s when detrermining if anyone was killed?
ETA: Something else that I'd like to see make a comeback is the old clouds of smoke and dust save that warbikes used to get. It doesn't necessarily need to be a save, and I wouldn't mind if it applied to other fast ork vehicles either.
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Tyel wrote: I'd be interested to see how a "Orks never suffer negative to hit penalties" rule would play out. Might slightly screw with Eldar especially but they deserve it.
I'd like to see both a "6s always hit" rule and have them get rid of all the -1 to hit Chapter Tactics equivalents when they get around to re-doing the early codexes.
Billagio wrote: I think the intent of Prime Orks is for them to be Ork Primarch equivalents (Primeork = Primarch, very clever I know), so it would likely be limited to Warboss/Warlord types like Ghazzy.
That being said its GW so anything is possible.
From what I recall, the Orks themselves called these guys the "Primeorks".
Goffs: +1 strength on the charge. Can never lose more than one model to morale.
Evil Sunz: +1 to all form of movement (including charges) or +2 if a vehicle
Snakebites: 6+ FNP, all units may replace a slugga with a choppa. Restricted unit choices from tech based units (like lootas or battlewagons and stuff)
Bad Moonz: One free item for Nobs and characters OR alternatively one free item per unit (same thing as the previous, but better)
Deathskulls: +1 to invuln saves (they are the luckiest)
Blood Axes: Count as being in cover when getting shot.
Freebootaz: +1 shots on all weapon types.
Tactics
Goffs - May choose to only reroll one dice when using Ere we go, instead of being forced to reroll the whole roll.
Evil Suns - When advancing roll 3D6 and take the highest.
Bad Moons - +6" Range if they didn't move that turn.
Deth Skulls - 6+ Invuln on everything. (Maybe +1 if they already have one but that could get a lil OP w/ KFF)
Blood Axes - Count as in cover if they didn't move that turn. Or +1 to cover if they are already there.
Snakebites - 6+ FNP on non-vehicles
Freebootaz - All weapon types change to assault when advancing.
Stratagems
Goffs - 1 unit may fight again in the fight phase.
Evil Suns - 1 unit may charge even if they already advanced that turn.
Bad Moons - Improve the AP by 1 on one unit's shooting attack.
Death Skulls - Reroll all missed rolls to hit of 1 in one unit's shooting attack.
Blood Axes - Functionally the same as Teleportarium but w/ Viet Cong style tunnels for fluff. (Tellyporta would be a universal stratagem but with more limitations)
Snakebites - 1 Unit's melee attacks will wound on a 2+ vs infantry for one fight phase.
Freebootaz - Rokk bombardment, same as marine orbital bombardment.
Tyel wrote: FWIW I think if Orks had got their Codex 9 months ago they would have got -1 to hit, but I agree even GW have twigged this is a ability that is loathed by everyone who doesn't play said factions (and even then...) and so they won't hand it out any more.
I'd be interested to see how a "Orks never suffer negative to hit penalties" rule would play out. Might slightly screw with Eldar especially but they deserve it.
Or not. No horde army got -1 to hit and orks are def an horde army.
matphat wrote: feth this thread. Eight pages and there isn't gak in here.
Basically why i don't have much faith for the codex. Even the deepkin, gold special marines and AoS 2.0 had some pretty compelling evidence and leaks before they came out.
Basically why i don't have much faith for the codex. Even the deepkin, gold special marines and AoS 2.0 had some pretty compelling evidence and leaks before they came out.
Maybe because they aren't coming out any time soon? Leaks rarely happen more than a few weeks in advance nowadays. Space Wolves are more than likely the next 40K army and we haven't heard anything about them either.
Basically why i don't have much faith for the codex. Even the deepkin, gold special marines and AoS 2.0 had some pretty compelling evidence and leaks before they came out.
Maybe because they aren't coming out any time soon? Leaks rarely happen more than a few weeks in advance nowadays. Space Wolves are more than likely the next 40K army and we haven't heard anything about them either.
Still no reason to have 8 pages of "educated guesses" and call it news.
Basically why i don't have much faith for the codex. Even the deepkin, gold special marines and AoS 2.0 had some pretty compelling evidence and leaks before they came out.
Maybe because they aren't coming out any time soon? Leaks rarely happen more than a few weeks in advance nowadays. Space Wolves are more than likely the next 40K army and we haven't heard anything about them either.
Still no reason to have 8 pages of "educated guesses" and call it news.
You must have missed the very first post. Y'know - the one with the actual rumours.
It's almost like the rest of the discussion had gone from there, crazy.
I find the mod comment utterly bizarre given how many other threads they allow to run completely off topic and often toxic before they bother to get involved.
Outside of 'I think the rumour in the OP is legit' or 'I think the rumour in the OP is bs' I'm not sure what other discussion they're expecting. The single sisters model discussion spawned countless pages of wishlisting but that was ok? Strange.
Tyel wrote: FWIW I think if Orks had got their Codex 9 months ago they would have got -1 to hit, but I agree even GW have twigged this is a ability that is loathed by everyone who doesn't play said factions (and even then...) and so they won't hand it out any more.
I'd be interested to see how a "Orks never suffer negative to hit penalties" rule would play out. Might slightly screw with Eldar especially but they deserve it.
Or not. No horde army got -1 to hit and orks are def an horde army.
This is getting played as a trump card but I dont see it. A Stygies Ad Mech force tends to be horde like, even if it doesnt have 120 rangers. I am hoping Ork lists wont all be 50%+ boys.
The gave -1 to hit to allaitoc and realized it's a bad idea in general to hand out -1 to hit as an army trait. No further reasoning involved. A codices before that (ad mech, CSM, SM) were not taking into account player feedback, since they were already being printed when 8th was released.
Basically why i don't have much faith for the codex. Even the deepkin, gold special marines and AoS 2.0 had some pretty compelling evidence and leaks before they came out.
Maybe because they aren't coming out any time soon? Leaks rarely happen more than a few weeks in advance nowadays. Space Wolves are more than likely the next 40K army and we haven't heard anything about them either.
Still no reason to have 8 pages of "educated guesses" and call it news.
You must have missed the very first post. Y'know - the one with the actual rumours.
It's almost like the rest of the discussion had gone from there, crazy.
I find the mod comment utterly bizarre given how many other threads they allow to run completely off topic and often toxic before they bother to get involved.
Outside of 'I think the rumour in the OP is legit' or 'I think the rumour in the OP is bs' I'm not sure what other discussion they're expecting. The single sisters model discussion spawned countless pages of wishlisting but that was ok? Strange.
Meh.... i've tried my best to keep this to rumours and trying to show how these rumours are BS... done a bit of wishlist here and there but yeah... the fatc there is nothing for SW or Orks means people are gunu wish list because we think they're keeoing it a secret. Reminds me of Half Life 3 and how like 5 years ago we used to think they were going to announce it. So much BS rumours from official leaks.. blah blah... really taught me a valuable lesson. Hope for nothing.
Automatically Appended Next Post: ALSO the guy who made that warboss model also made this so don't be fooled if you see this going about. it kinda sees some trolls are trying to show how rumours can easily be started from BS. (it's funny how a fan can somehow make a better looking model than anything GW has come up with... if this was an official model (it's not and never will be) I would be super happy! A squig grot army would be awesome!)
Aye... the full necron codex was leaked weeks in advance but the ork codex hasn't even got a wiff of a fake screenshot. XD this makes me think we could be looking at a enf of Aug/early sept date for the dex.
I think they still have some Nighaunt and Stormcast models that haven't gone up for pre-order. That , combined with Kill Team, makes me think it's pretty unlikely there will be any Ork or SW releases in July. They might start giving us some previews in July though.
GW often releases information at big events. We've got ATC in mid-July, ETC in early August, the opening of the Warhammer Citadel and NOVA in late August/early September. I think that after that there is usually no huge events in the U.S. until after the new year. I'm not very familiar with European events, what big things are coming up besides ETC?
Edit: I forgot Gencon in early August, but does GW have an official presence at that event?
ikeulhu wrote: The way things are going I am sadly starting to wonder if they are going to make us wait for an Orktober release.
What's frustrating is delaying a release just for a pun. However, if the release was worthy of the title - with new models, etc - that's a bit more palatable.
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: I think they still have some Nighaunt and Stormcast models that haven't gone up for pre-order. That , combined with Kill Team, makes me think it's pretty unlikely there will be any Ork or SW releases in July. They might start giving us some previews in July though.
GW often releases information at big events. We've got ATC in mid-July, ETC in early August, the opening of the Warhammer Citadel and NOVA in late August/early September. I think that after that there is usually no huge events in the U.S. until after the new year. I'm not very familiar with European events, what big things are coming up besides ETC?
Edit: I forgot Gencon in early August, but does GW have an official presence at that event?
There is also Warhammerfest Europe in August. There will definitely be some reveals at that event.
Unless there are a lot more SW models than are currently predicted (i.e. an upgrade pack and maybe a Primaris character) I'd expect Orks to be about 2 weeks behind.
I'd therefore expect mid to late August. Seems weird to advertise it as early as they did if its as far out as October.
Also because it would probably mean (assuming we have the right order) Genestealer Cult were not appearing for ages, which is weird given we have seen the models. (Which again, bodes badly for a significant Ork release.)
Tyel wrote: Unless there are a lot more SW models than are currently predicted (i.e. an upgrade pack and maybe a Primaris character) I'd expect Orks to be about 2 weeks behind.
I'd personally be surprised if SW only got that. They are a very popular faction and Russ is surely the favourite candidate for the next primarch to return.
Chikout wrote: There is also Warhammerfest Europe in August. There will definitely be some reveals at that event.
That's certainly a big one that I didn't know about!
Automatically Appended Next Post: For me the uncertainty is worse than the simple waiting. Like if they were to come out and say that the Ork codex was delayed until September due to some production problem and we aren't getting any new models I honestly wouldn't be all that mad.
Obviously I have a preference for getting new stuff,and I'm fine with waiting longer to get it, but it would be nice to have a vague idea of what to expect.
I forget, was it confirmed GW said SW and Orks were the next two codexes? The reason is ask is because we’ve been getting a lot of genestealer cult rumors and such lately, I’m wondering if it’s possible they might be first or between SW and Orks ( or vice versa)
For me the uncertainty is worse than the simple waiting. Like if they were to come out and say that the Ork codex was delayed until September due to some production problem and we aren't getting any new models I honestly wouldn't be all that mad.
Obviously I have a preference for getting new stuff,and I'm fine with waiting longer to get it, but it would be nice to have a vague idea of what to expect.
Billagio wrote: I forget, was it confirmed GW said SW and Orks were the next two codexes? The reason is ask is because we’ve been getting a lot of genestealer cult rumors and such lately, I’m wondering if it’s possible they might be first or between SW and Orks ( or vice versa)
For me the uncertainty is worse than the simple waiting. Like if they were to come out and say that the Ork codex was delayed until September due to some production problem and we aren't getting any new models I honestly wouldn't be all that mad.
Obviously I have a preference for getting new stuff,and I'm fine with waiting longer to get it, but it would be nice to have a vague idea of what to expect.
Fully agreed
yeah I'm wondering if the release order might actually be GSC, SW Orks..
With Codex: Imperial Knights available to pre-order this weekend, it’s high time we revealed just what’s coming next…
These codexes are two of the most requested, but rest assured, the wait will be worth it – both the Orks and Space Wolves codexes will be absolutely packed with new content for your games. If you’ve been looking on enviously as other factions get their time in the sun, your patience will soon be rewarded.
The keen-eyed among you will note that this only leaves a single xenos faction still lurking in the shadows… Well, good news – there’s something crawling down the pipe for the forces of the Genestealer Cults too – and he has three arms, three eyes, one and a half heads… and a stop sign."
The fact they acknowledge they're the most requested codecies means that if they do not give them anything big that the community can freak out even more... as i say, I would love big but really I just want to see people be able to buy a warboss in store and make any kind of ork army they want without being trashed.
Also, might be nothing but what is thr thing on the back of the boy in the killteam trailer? Is it just stick bombs or something?
lolman1c wrote: The fact they acknowledge they're the most requested codecies means that if they do not give them anything big that the community can freak out even more... as i say, I would love big but really I just want to see people be able to buy a warboss in store and make any kind of ork army they want without being trashed.
Also, might be nothing but what is thr thing on the back of the boy in the killteam trailer? Is it just stick bombs or something?
Yeah, just looks like that standard sack of stickbombs that comes in boyz kits.
It's hard to make out the helmeted ork behind the one with the stikkbombs, but we don't know that he's not funny lookin', so I'm calling a return of Madboyz "probable" but not 100% confirmed like the Stikk Bommas.
Honestly, did not know they had a stick bomb sack... i must have missed that on my sprues or used it for something else.
There is a lot of burna boyz in the trailer but no warboss to be seen. It's weird, every faction in the trailer shows off lots of units but when ever you see orks it's just boyz and burna boyz...
Which coukd mean 1 of 3 things!
1. GW sees them as a NPC race to just demolish the boyz.
2. We have new hqs and units gw don't want to show off yet.
3. We're looking too much into it and gw just grabbed random handfuls of models from random factions.
Btw, wondering what ever happened to my waaagh campaign I sent to gw. A whole bunch of us sent letters with suggestions as well as ork boyz and nobz.... I did get a reply from the 40k fb team saying they did notice more boyz around the office but that's about it...
doktor_g wrote: It's gonna be wolves v Orks w kill team. I'm tellin ya.
ya know I could see it, a wolves vs orks kill team box, with some new minis, followed by Ork and SW codices
If it was Primaris Space Wolves vs new plastic Kommandoz that would be cool (the orks might need some more stuff to balance it out in terms of points).
Tyel wrote: Unless there are a lot more SW models than are currently predicted (i.e. an upgrade pack and maybe a Primaris character) I'd expect Orks to be about 2 weeks behind.
I'd therefore expect mid to late August. Seems weird to advertise it as early as they did if its as far out as October.
Also because it would probably mean (assuming we have the right order) Genestealer Cult were not appearing for ages, which is weird given we have seen the models. (Which again, bodes badly for a significant Ork release.)
Stealers are probably far behind orks since they weren't shown together. And those new models are probably before codex alongside the kill team.
Also by now GW is probably looking to start fleshing out model releases as those are the money makers for them so long draught in new models isn't good for them either. So stealer models don't exclude ork models.
Mousemuffins wrote: So now it's rumors about when rumors for orks will surface.
Nine pages of nothing.
Yeah! Honestly, Not going to lie, I kind of love this thread. It personifies GW'S marketing. It's either genuinely amazing because our constant bickering, rumour analysing, spreading rumours, etc... all help GW out as we continue to talk about them even with absolutely 0 news! They don't even have to pay for a poster and we're nine pages in giving them free advertising because they said nothing! Also, you can't help but wonder if they read these threads looking for free ideas. OR! It's bafflingly dumb! We have nothing at all so we're having to make up crap from invisible sources. This creates mass hysteria, wishlisting, over exaggeration of what is going to actually happen dooming us all to disappointment and discourages us from buying anythign if gw does bring it out. Imknow a fewmpeople who are genuinely goi g to sell their ork army and quit 40k if the codex is bad because they've done that too other games.
I think it's also fun to watch and chat... keeps me busy as i sit on the toilet.
doktor_g wrote: It's gonna be wolves v Orks w kill team. I'm tellin ya.
ya know I could see it, a wolves vs orks kill team box, with some new minis, followed by Ork and SW codices
If it was Primaris Space Wolves vs new plastic Kommandoz that would be cool (the orks might need some more stuff to balance it out in terms of points).
KIll Team box is almost certainly going to be Genestealers neophytes vs. Skitarii. They featured heavily in the KT trailer and in the last couple teaser videos/images.
Mousemuffins wrote: So now it's rumors about when rumors for orks will surface.
Nine pages of nothing.
Yeah! Honestly, Not going to lie, I kind of love this thread. It personifies GW'S marketing. It's either genuinely amazing because our constant bickering, rumour analysing, spreading rumours, etc... all help GW out as we continue to talk about them even with absolutely 0 news! They don't even have to pay for a poster and we're nine pages in giving them free advertising because they said nothing! Also, you can't help but wonder if they read these threads looking for free ideas. OR! It's bafflingly dumb! We have nothing at all so we're having to make up crap from invisible sources. This creates mass hysteria, wishlisting, over exaggeration of what is going to actually happen dooming us all to disappointment and discourages us from buying anythign if gw does bring it out. Imknow a fewmpeople who are genuinely goi g to sell their ork army and quit 40k if the codex is bad because they've done that too other games.
I think it's also fun to watch and chat... keeps me busy as i sit on the toilet.
Except there is a rumour, from someone who has apparently seen the codex and is under NDA. Rumours by definition are not confirmed, if you want confirmed news, don't click on a RUMOUR thread?
Those people who keep whining that there's 'x pages of nothing' realise they are actively making the page count higher with their off topic garbage yea?
Insane Ivan wrote: KIll Team box is almost certainly going to be Genestealers neophytes vs. Skitarii. They featured heavily in the KT trailer and in the last couple teaser videos/images.
Agreed. I'm guessing those cult models shown are actually precisely for that.
Mousemuffins wrote: So now it's rumors about when rumors for orks will surface.
Nine pages of nothing.
Yeah! Honestly, Not going to lie, I kind of love this thread. It personifies GW'S marketing. It's either genuinely amazing because our constant bickering, rumour analysing, spreading rumours, etc... all help GW out as we continue to talk about them even with absolutely 0 news! They don't even have to pay for a poster and we're nine pages in giving them free advertising because they said nothing! Also, you can't help but wonder if they read these threads looking for free ideas. OR! It's bafflingly dumb! We have nothing at all so we're having to make up crap from invisible sources. This creates mass hysteria, wishlisting, over exaggeration of what is going to actually happen dooming us all to disappointment and discourages us from buying anythign if gw does bring it out. Imknow a fewmpeople who are genuinely goi g to sell their ork army and quit 40k if the codex is bad because they've done that too other games.
I think it's also fun to watch and chat... keeps me busy as i sit on the toilet.
Except there is a rumour, from someone who has apparently seen the codex and is under NDA. Rumours by definition are not confirmed, if you want confirmed news, don't click on a RUMOUR thread?
Those people who keep whining that there's 'x pages of nothing' realise they are actively making the page count higher with their off topic garbage yea?
You talking about me because my entire post was focused on how I love this thread? I'm confused.
lolman1c wrote: You talking about me because my entire post was focused on how I love this thread? I'm confused.
Not entirely but yes to a point. I haven't just pulled this info out of my rear end because it's stuff I'd like to see, then persuaded someone else to do a video on it. It's a legit rumour.
lolman1c wrote: You talking about me because my entire post was focused on how I love this thread? I'm confused.
Not entirely but yes to a point. I haven't just pulled this info out of my rear end because it's stuff I'd like to see, then persuaded someone else to do a video on it. It's a legit rumour.
I don't even really mention that, I more focused on GW and marketing but you gotta admit a rumour basically is pulled out of your ass even if it turns out to be true. There is no way any of us can confirm any of this is true untill something more official comes out. Really, we all latch onto rumours because they have things we want in them, it's why we focus on them rather than the other rumours. You even say yourself at the start:
"Source is weak but if you're as desperate as me for new Ork info you'll probably be willing to give this a watch. "
The source is weak... it basically right now is a schrodinger's rumour.... it could be made up, or it could be real... we can go into why it is and is not. That's the fun of this thread. It coukd have been pulled out of thin air by a troll to see how gullible people are, or it could be a real guy who heard knows the real deal. It's a mystery and i love that. So anyone who says it is and is not is both correct and wrong. I flip a lot in my post's because one day I'm feeling down and believe it's fake and one day i feel hopeful and hope it's real.
Wait... waiiiit.... waaaaaaaity justy a secondooo der mah boy!
" I haven't just pulled this info out of my rear end because it's stuff I'd like to see, then persuaded someone else to do a video on it. It's a legit rumour." - did you start this rumour?
Automatically Appended Next Post: As for right now... i'm in a "Meh, don't care" mood as for if this is legit or not. I mean a NDA? What for? NDA for looking at the models? I get a NDA for beta testing a codex but the codex doesn't show you new kits and future content with an exsact month if all the data sheets are the same as the index.
Like if I had the ork codex right now under nda how would i know we are getting a new warboss if the weapons are the same as the old codex? The only thing in the codex is the looted vechiles but he doesn't know if gw will sell a kit for them. He even says they have lots of options, so does he have access to both the codex and kit now?
I wish I could be under NDA to walk into a room full of upcoming GW models and skim throuh the codex and get told about when the models are comming out atter the codex.
lolman1c wrote: You talking about me because my entire post was focused on how I love this thread? I'm confused.
Not entirely but yes to a point. I haven't just pulled this info out of my rear end because it's stuff I'd like to see, then persuaded someone else to do a video on it. It's a legit rumour.
I don't even really mention that, I more focused on GW and marketing but you gotta admit a rumour basically is pulled out of your ass even if it turns out to be true. There is no way any of us can confirm any of this is true untill something more official comes out. Really, we all latch onto rumours because they have things we want in them, it's why we focus on them rather than the other rumours. You even say yourself at the start:
"Source is weak but if you're as desperate as me for new Ork info you'll probably be willing to give this a watch. "
The source is weak... it basically right now is a schrodinger's rumour.... it could be made up, or it could be real... we can go into why it is and is not. That's the fun of this thread. It coukd have been pulled out of thin air by a troll to see how gullible people are, or it could be a real guy who heard knows the real deal. It's a mystery and i love that. So anyone who says it is and is not is both correct and wrong. I flip a lot in my post's because one day I'm feeling down and believe it's fake and one day i feel hopeful and hope it's real.
Wait... waiiiit.... waaaaaaaity justy a secondooo der mah boy!
" I haven't just pulled this info out of my rear end because it's stuff I'd like to see, then persuaded someone else to do a video on it. It's a legit rumour." - did you start this rumour?
Automatically Appended Next Post: As for right now... i'm in a "Meh, don't care" mood as for if this is legit or not. I mean a NDA? What for? NDA for looking at the models? I get a NDA for beta testing a codex but the codex doesn't show you new kits and future content with an exsact month if all the data sheets are the same as the index.
Like if I had the ork codex right now under nda how would i know we are getting a new warboss if the weapons are the same as the old codex? The only thing in the codex is the looted vechiles but he doesn't know if gw will sell a kit for them. He even says they have lots of options, so does he have access to both the codex and kit now?
I wish I could be under NDA to walk into a room full of upcoming GW models and skim throuh the codex and get told about when the models are comming out atter the codex.
I genuinely don't have time to make up fake rumours and send them to people to make videos.
Take or leave it. As with any other rumour, it's unverified, could be true, could be garbage. I'm in two minds personally, the pessimist thinks we're just getting a bum basic release of codex + dice. The 'England won on penalties so anything is possible' dreamer me thinks it could all be true and wants the codex to release ASAP so we have some closure.
Re the NDA - let's say that the rumour is from someone who has seen the codex way, waaay in advance. They obviously have an NDA with consequences should they break it. The codex might have pics of new models in it, particularly if there's a new Ghazzy on the way.
Also, even if he saw the codex he wouldn't know the buggies would come out in September. Or does it say in the codex "buggies later on in September!" When we look at the logic behijd how someone could know so much in a company were half the staff don't know then it's a bit weird.
Or, it could be someome who works on the marketing team. Yah see, new theory from old theory.
There is a lot of burna boyz in the trailer but no warboss to be seen. It's weird, every faction in the trailer shows off lots of units but when ever you see orks it's just boyz and burna boyz...
Kill Team has traditionally been focused on what amounts to a single squad of troops battling it out with the sergeants acting as the rough equivalent to HQ models. It isn't really the place for a Warboss or really anything bigger than a Nob, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions regarding whatever possibilities there might be for model releases.
There is a lot of burna boyz in the trailer but no warboss to be seen. It's weird, every faction in the trailer shows off lots of units but when ever you see orks it's just boyz and burna boyz...
Kill Team has traditionally been focused on what amounts to a single squad of troops battling it out with the sergeants acting as the rough equivalent to HQ models. It isn't really the place for a Warboss or really anything bigger than a Nob, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions regarding whatever possibilities there might be for model releases.
haha, I was more just joking. And actually making some analyse to pass the time.
lolman1c wrote: Or, it could be someome who works on the marketing team. Yah see, new theory from old theory.
Much more likely that it's someone in one of their warehouses if it's a leak a few months in advance. They would definitely know the release schedule.
that would make sense but then how would they know about the data sheet of the looted vehicle? I geuss if there was a kit he would know the rules from the box... but it's hard to believe someone would know both about rules and models.
lolman1c wrote: that would make sense but then how would they know about the data sheet of the looted vehicle? I geuss if there was a kit he would know the rules from the box... but it's hard to believe someone would know both about rules and models.
Maybe their warehouses have both models and codexes? If you have access to one why not other.
Maybe, but the models would be years in advance so they would probably be in a different place. We do know the codex ismorinted though because of them saying the IK codex was printed before the big FAQ. That tells us everything is ready months in advance (which we already knew but nice to get confirmation).
GW certainly has to produce stock in advance though I don't think its "months" for much of it. A month alone is a long time to leave a large block of money sitting in a warehouse doing nothing. Remember money invested into models can't even earn interest whilst its tied up so GW has a vested interest in having the storage time for a release as small as possible.
Now the master moulds are likely made in advance and then closer to the release date GW likely puts them into mass production slots to start generating stock for storage and then shipping with the intent that they can start shipping out to distributors as soon as possible.
Codex might be different as (far as I recall) they are not printed in house and thus are likely ordered well in advance to minimise how much potential time loss can happen (shipping delays etc..)
It's clear that for a standard release GW cn produce enough to launch new things in a fairly short span of time, probably down to weeks. I make this estimation because of how they did the Sigmar release; only having one extra week for such a big release tells me that they simply focused all excess production on Sigmar products over those two weeks (and time before of course).
As for the rumour posted earier that Genstealers wouldn't be out till next year I doubt that. GW has been very strong in pushing out 40K codex to get as much completed by summer as possible. I fully expect that we will go into the new year only waiting for Sisters of Battle and "possibly" Sisters of Silence (not sure what GW is doing with them yet and I was honestly surprised they were not rolled into the Custodes army).
I figure after a year of 40K we are due a year of Fantasy dominating the release schedule more so
Codex come from china. So anyone along that big chain of command can see and leak the info.
My partner says it would take about 1 week to a month for a new product to made and sent to shops depending on how much recourses they start with but it's likely all going to big storage first and then sent to little storage locations later on. Which means it actually might be unlikely even as a worker in the storage wont see the products until a week or 2 before release. In addition, from my own experience working in a similar palce so may be different, would only get product codes rather than names and images of the product.
The regular Boyz box has a stikkbomb sack too, and there are still a bunch of old Stikk Bommas metal bits floating around.
I heard a hot new rumor: The cargo ship with the Ork codexes sank. The shrinkwrap meant that quite a few were salvageable, and they've been sorting out which ones they can still sell as the collector's "nautical" edition with an authentic maritime smell for $89.95.
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: The regular Boyz box has a stikkbomb sack too, and there are still a bunch of old Stikk Bommas metal bits floating around.
I heard a hot new rumor: The cargo ship with the Ork codexes sank. The shrinkwrap meant that quite a few were salvageable, and they've been sorting out which ones they can still sell as the collector's "nautical" edition with an authentic maritime smell for $89.95.
It's been a long while since any codex had a "big release". Marines got the primaris update, Nurgle got some love, Custodes got 3 kits, and everyone else got a scrap here or there at most. That means that it will be 7 months since anything major. I think we're due.
Has anyone else found it surprising that GW has never released a Squigoth model (of any size). It seems almost like a no-brainer choice that Ork players would buy in mass.
cuda1179 wrote: It's been a long while since any codex had a "big release". Marines got the primaris update, Nurgle got some love, Custodes got 3 kits, and everyone else got a scrap here or there at most. That means that it will be 7 months since anything major. I think we're due.
Has anyone else found it surprising that GW has never released a Squigoth model (of any size). It seems almost like a no-brainer choice that Ork players would buy in mass.
They haven't because FW sells two squiggoths. And one of them isn't even a totally unreasonable price.
I've got two resin Forge World squiggoths. I'd be super stoked if they came out with a plastic one.
The Forge World squiggoth is kind of disappointing. The sculpt is okay, but not amazing, and while it is big it's not that big, but it costs approximately a zillion dollars. (I'm talking about the regular squiggoth and not the Gargantuan Squiggoth.)
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: I've got two resin Forge World squiggoths. I'd be super stoked if they came out with a plastic one.
The Forge World squiggoth is kind of disappointing. The sculpt is okay, but not amazing, and while it is big it's not that big, but it costs approximately a zillion dollars. (I'm talking about the regular squiggoth and not the Gargantuan Squiggoth.)
It's about £80 here and that's cheap for FW models of that size. But yes... if gw made a plastic one, sold it fo3 £50 then I'd buy 2. They made a gargant one and sold that for £100 then I'd go broke.
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: I've got two resin Forge World squiggoths. I'd be super stoked if they came out with a plastic one.
The Forge World squiggoth is kind of disappointing. The sculpt is okay, but not amazing, and while it is big it's not that big, but it costs approximately a zillion dollars. (I'm talking about the regular squiggoth and not the Gargantuan Squiggoth.)
It's about £80 here and that's cheap for FW models of that size. But yes... if gw made a plastic one, sold it fo3 £50 then I'd buy 2. They made a gargant one and sold that for £100 then I'd go broke.
I have mine packed away, I thought it was a decent bit smaller than some of my £100-£125 Forge World models, but I'm probably just remembering it wrong.
Part of the reason I was thinking it was too expensive was the extreme expense of running it as the main transport for an army of Snakebites, but I guess I'm not being fair with that because how many of a model will be used on the battlefield isn't the same thing as its size.
I'd buy at least one more squiggoth for £50, and maybe a couple more than that. Right now I still have one on sprue. I want to learn to get better with sculpting, and cut it up to make two squiggoths so that I have three total. I'm also trying to save for a gargantuan squiggoth, but I keep getting distracted by good deals on other things. Plus, it seems like every time I go to buy the gargantuan squiggoth it is sold out.
This release is going to make or break me for 8th, this is the last codex comingbout that I care about and if it’s as lacklustre as a lot of the 8th books, then I will be waiting out the ed until it has something I want, I am hopeful that it’s gonna be a good book though and have some good fluff in it.
Formosa wrote: This release is going to make or break me for 8th, this is the last codex comingbout that I care about and if it’s as lacklustre as a lot of the 8th books, then I will be waiting out the ed until it has something I want, I am hopeful that it’s gonna be a good book though and have some good fluff in it.
Same for a lot of people. Being down in the dirt for so long has changed our perspective of what is good or bad for orks... so a lot of people are expecting big and gw knows that. They even posted it was the most anticipated and asked for codex... every day for a year now I see people spamming their fb wall asking for orks. We had a huge waaagh campaign where lots of people sent letters and boyz to GW office. I honestly don't think gw hates orks... They're just plastic imaginary things... they couldn't care less about any of their models.... but you can see why people might think gw hates orks if they do not get anything. Seriously, if I was gw and all I had was a plastic Ghaz then I'd be crapping my pants right now at the backlash from a lot of ork players. I'd be quickly paying designers to make the hqs, etc....
But again, they're not because they think they have given the community a bunch of stuff to keep them happy... and they have... but not everyone plays imperium. Especially Ork players... we need recruitment! If Orks are going to stay as big as they are in the community then new players need an insensitive to buy orks over the likes of Space Marines. But right now new players who join GW for the firts time will buy our starter set and go "wait, where is my HQ?". They'll go to the store and ask "I want a warboss please and a big mek with a KFF" and they'll get the reply "Well we don't sell them here... you have to order them in, oh and the kff big mek doesn't exist unless you buy this £40 mega one". They'll go, "oh... well I geuss I'll just buy a mek and make a mek force... erm, how much is the big mek on warbike? Or the biker nobz?" And they'll be told "yeah, we don't sell them, and they're also going to vanish soon so don't bother making one". Then the player will go "So.... can I just get some normal bikers? I like mad max!" And the reply will be "I'd suggest you buy boyz... just buy lots and lots of boyz.... everything else sucks... you choice the wrong faction, buy £100 of boy!" Thrn the kid will finally go "I read online that Stormboyz were okay, you have them?" And the employee will say "yep! We have them! Then the kid will go "great! I'll have some!" Then the employee of GW will say "Good, but they only come in boxes of 5 and they only have a 6+ save and worth like 40pts so you need like 30 to be somewhat effective. That will be £93 for a single unit of 200pts". Then the kid will walk of of GW never to come back.
Formosa wrote: This release is going to make or break me for 8th, this is the last codex comingbout that I care about and if it’s as lacklustre as a lot of the 8th books, then I will be waiting out the ed until it has something I want, I am hopeful that it’s gonna be a good book though and have some good fluff in it.
Same for a lot of people. Being down in the dirt for so long has changed our perspective of what is good or bad for orks... so a lot of people are expecting big and gw knows that. They even posted it was the most anticipated and asked for codex... every day for a year now I see people spamming their fb wall asking for orks. We had a huge waaagh campaign where lots of people sent letters and boyz to GW office. I honestly don't think gw hates orks... They're just plastic imaginary things... they couldn't care less about any of their models.... but you can see why people might think gw hates orks if they do not get anything. Seriously, if I was gw and all I had was a plastic Ghaz then I'd be crapping my pants right now at the backlash from a lot of ork players. I'd be quickly paying designers to make the hqs, etc....
But again, they're not because they think they have given the community a bunch of stuff to keep them happy... and they have... but not everyone plays imperium. Especially Ork players... we need recruitment! If Orks are going to stay as big as they are in the community then new players need an insensitive to buy orks over the likes of Space Marines. But right now new players who join GW for the firts time will buy our starter set and go "wait, where is my HQ?". They'll go to the store and ask "I want a warboss please and a big mek with a KFF" and they'll get the reply "Well we don't sell them here... you have to order them in, oh and the kff big mek doesn't exist unless you buy this £40 mega one". They'll go, "oh... well I geuss I'll just buy a mek and make a mek force... erm, how much is the big mek on warbike? Or the biker nobz?" And they'll be told "yeah, we don't sell them, and they're also going to vanish soon so don't bother making one". Then the player will go "So.... can I just get some normal bikers? I like mad max!" And the reply will be "I'd suggest you buy boyz... just buy lots and lots of boyz.... everything else sucks... you choice the wrong faction, buy £100 of boy!" Thrn the kid will finally go "I read online that Stormboyz were okay, you have them?" And the employee will say "yep! We have them! Then the kid will go "great! I'll have some!" Then the employee of GW will say "Good, but they only come in boxes of 5 and they only have a 6+ save and worth like 40pts so you need like 30 to be somewhat effective. That will be £93 for a single unit of 200pts". Then the kid will walk of of GW never to come back.
You just summarized my feelings on GW's market strategy for orkz perfectly.
Nothing we have is cost effective in terms of real $$. The best buy I can think of is just standard boyz because you get 9 Regular Boyz, 1 Nob and a Tankbusta. If you buy enough of them you have yourself a Nob Squad a Tankbusta Squad and 2-3 full strength Boyz Mobz. It would be so easy to sell the extra bitz to make things like Burna Boyz, Bustas, Kommandos and others as an additional sprue, not as an entire separate box.
cuda1179 wrote: It's been a long while since any codex had a "big release". Marines got the primaris update, Nurgle got some love, Custodes got 3 kits, and everyone else got a scrap here or there at most. That means that it will be 7 months since anything major. I think we're due.
Has anyone else found it surprising that GW has never released a Squigoth model (of any size). It seems almost like a no-brainer choice that Ork players would buy in mass.
They haven't because FW sells two squiggoths. And one of them isn't even a totally unreasonable price.
FW also sold baneblades. Doesn't stop GW from doing it. Q is do they feel money is there? If yes they want plastic as it's more profitable for GW to sell plastic models than resin.
Rumours from a unknown source just come in from my end:
Gw is recalling all the ork models. And I mean all of them! New ones like trukks, Gorkanaut, dakkajets, etc... Okay, i know there is a lot of parody in this thread but I'm actually serious about this one! They are recalling them according to my source so this might suggest they're repackaging them. Doubt they would replace the whole army and I doubt they woukd limit the entire ork rnage to online only.
lolman1c wrote: Rumours from a unknown source just come in from my end:
Gw is recalling all the ork models. And I mean all of them! New ones like trukks, Gorkanaut, dakkajets, etc... Okay, i know there is a lot of parody in this thread but I'm actually serious about this one! They are recalling them according to my source so this might suggest they're repackaging them. Doubt they would replace the whole army and I doubt they woukd limit the entire ork rnage to online only.
Interesting if true, have they ever recalled an entire product line before? How long would a repack take, couple of months maybe?
I hope this is true and we receive the first official leaks of the codex fast. I'm tired of the enless refreshing on the rumours and community pages for ork news..
My source comes from someone who actually went to a gw store and was told this. I trust this person but, as I say, it's hard to trust me because you don't know me. But seriously, not trolling, this comes from a customer not a "my mates brothers girlfriends dads work friend who knows a guy in gw". Just a jormal dude who was in a gw store.
but also pray, because some of these sound incredible;
