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Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/01 14:43:23


Post by: Galas


I dont know if theres allready a post for this. Its a spanish company, they did chaos dwarfs previously.
Ill clarify that I have no relation with this company

Im in my phone, so will try to edit this with nice pics later.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1115856510/lost-kingdom-miniatures-cuetzpal-empire/description



Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/01 14:49:03


Post by: Overread


That Coatl giant dragon looks fantastic!


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/01 14:54:38


Post by: B0B MaRlEy


I'd seen some previews on the beastsofwar website, I'm not playing any WHFBish game anymore but I might have to get a few of those, particularly the chameleon skinks


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/01 14:57:21


Post by: lord_blackfang


These are super sweet and strike a good balance between conforming to WHFB units and adding their own flare.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/01 15:11:27


Post by: Carnikang


That Slann though... gods above I need some of these. Namely the cavalry. That feathered god is amazing too.... all of it really.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/01 15:41:47


Post by: Original Timmy


Yeah these look great, only prob im skint and can only afford a couple of the heroes at mo, hopefully we can add some more in the PM as id love some of the Korxigors(sp!?) and Chameleons.

Did any one get any of their previous Chaos Dwarves and if so what are they like cast wise etc?


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/01 16:08:23


Post by: kestral


I would really like some of those. I do like the aztec lizardmen trope.

The slann is a neat take for variety. Might need that for space slann some day.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/01 16:52:46


Post by: StygianBeach


They look nice, but the weapons are too over scaled for my tastes.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/01 17:18:44


Post by: jojo_monkey_boy


I don't normally like these indie kick starter models, but some of these models are pretty boss. I think I see more value in these guys as character stand-ins or as replacements for some of the LIzardmen's less solid models.

This line is also sort of funny to see as a real world example of why GW has embarked on its IP purge and moved towards things that are more defensible. This whole kickstarter is basically designed to piggy back on GW's brand.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/01 17:32:18


Post by: Davor


I don't know much about kickstarters except lots of people get upset with them. How come have lofty stretch goals? What happens if they are not met? Are the molds not made yet already? So if the stretch goals are not met that means you can't buy those lovely minis? Why make molds if you can't use them? I just don't understand.

Also what is this for? Do they have their own game/rule system or are we suppose to use these with other games namely Kings of War and Fantasy/Age of Sigmar?


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/01 20:48:50


Post by: sockwithaticket


Those look fantastic, I may have to go in for some heroes just for painting.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/02 02:13:37


Post by: RiTides


Wow, those are impressive! If WHFB was still a thing, I'd be sorely tempted... but some don't seem to be quite as good of a fit for AoS.

I saw mention of a Slann above, but I don't see it on the campaign page... am I just missing it?

That "chameleon skink" hero is especially awesome!



Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/02 02:21:48


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


They can be used for Kings of War as Salamanders or as part of Forces of Nature. You can also try KoW for free if so inclined.
http://www.manticgames.com/free-rules.html

I will follow this project ... I could use some lizard cavalry, and ideally some large cavalry. (Edit. Their knights seem like they'd do as KoW large cav ... The mounts are large enough to pass.)

As for the "Not-a-Slann" they might mean the Supreme Sorcerer at the 72,000 Unlock.

 RiTides wrote:
Wow, those are impressive! If WHFB was still a thing, I'd be sorely tempted... but some don't seem to be quite as good of a fit for AoS.

I saw mention of a Slann above, but I don't see it on the campaign page... am I just missing it?

That "chameleon skink" hero is especially awesome!



Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/02 02:47:30


Post by: TheAuldGrump


Sweeet!

There is one person in my KoW group that plays Salamanders as an allied force - I think I will send him the lnk. (He has a weird army - Salamanders and Brotherhood... care to guess which edition of Warhammer brought him into fantasy gaming? )

The Auld Grump


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/02 05:54:35


Post by: Schmapdi


damn - those looks sweet. Wish I had a use for them.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/02 11:36:43


Post by: Yodhrin


 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I don't normally like these indie kick starter models, but some of these models are pretty boss. I think I see more value in these guys as character stand-ins or as replacements for some of the LIzardmen's less solid models.

This line is also sort of funny to see as a real world example of why GW has embarked on its IP purge and moved towards things that are more defensible. This whole kickstarter is basically designed to piggy back on GW's brand.


I'd say it's perfect example of why GW's own mismanagement of their brand killed WHF - the reason there's an opening for these guys to make their army and actually have a realistic prospect of selling well is quite simple; the GW models are largely rubbish, have been for years, and will almost certainly remain so for years more and possibly forever.

And the idea that what they have now is "more defensible" is the same awful misunderstanding of the law that led them into the chapterhouse debacle - they can probably exercise slightly tighter control over trademarks over made up gobbledygook names, but "paladin in plate armour with lightning motifs"? Aye good luck stopping anyone making models of that if they wanted to - GW prevent people from "piggy backing" in one way and one way only; by making models good enough that it's not worth the bother to try and sell alternatives.

This stuff is spectacular but sadly I don't collect whole armies any more, I'm going to have to work on an old mate to try and get him to buy in so I can filch a few models for Mordheim


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/02 11:49:21


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


You all know I'm in.

Their coatl guard are muchmore interesting than traditional saurus guard. The fact that they're larger and wearing more ornate aztec looking armor is a plus for me. More in line with the old box artwork.

Like a lot of you, I'm waiting for those hero models to unlock!


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/02 12:02:11


Post by: Overread


Yodhrin I think its less to do with GW and more to do with Kickstarter and the internet. There have always been 3rd party model companies; but its only in the last span of years that many can home-grow through connections to market online; through crowdsourcing and through easier access to overseas factories.

Basically in the early days 3rd parties couldn't connect to a big market because they didn't own a highstreet shop chain and sourcing and distribution was harder. So they never got to any decent size. The internet lets them market to the world market and lets them make more of a business with far less overhead and not even a reliance to stock to masses of retailers (They can hook into the handful of big online names if they want).


Of course GW does have input, but its more the scale; because GW is huge their market is also huge and thus there's more market to poach customers off with alternate sculpts. Either for full armies or for a handful of replacement units here and there.
I suspect that if Warmachine continues to gain power it too will experience the 3rd parties making alternate sculpts of their stuff too.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/02 12:21:14


Post by: Davor


 Yodhrin wrote:
- GW prevent people from "piggy backing"...


I always get a kick out of this. GW get's upset when people use GW for stuff but GW entire line is "almost" a copy of something else. How ironic GW sues for what they basically do.


The pics shown, are those actual miniatures or just computer renders at the moment?


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/02 12:21:37


Post by: bubber


I backed for the 2 characters. 12 Euros each seems a steal!


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/02 14:27:47


Post by: Sinful Hero


These lizards look fantastic. As said above, that Coatl model is amazing.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/02 14:39:13


Post by: Galas


Im glad you guys like them! I would buy that chameleon hero... If I wasnt broke right now


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/02 17:45:08


Post by: Davor


 Galas wrote:
Im glad you guys like them! I would buy that chameleon hero... If I wasnt broke right now


I would buy the entire set if I wasn't broke either. Is this a Kickstarter thing only or can we buy them at a later date?


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/02 18:23:25


Post by: Sentionaut


So if i understand correctly, these are 30mm?


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/02 19:24:54


Post by: Overread


Davor wrote:
 Galas wrote:
Im glad you guys like them! I would buy that chameleon hero... If I wasnt broke right now


I would buy the entire set if I wasn't broke either. Is this a Kickstarter thing only or can we buy them at a later date?


Most model KS aim to be commercial after their KS runs,

Of course its not always simple. Funding and fulfilment can be hard even if they fund really well (basically under or over funding in the extreme can have problems). Prices are also typically a lot higher for retail (KS tend to be discounted prices from retail); even if they do well they might stagger the commercial release so not everything will appear at the same time.

The other aspect is that you might have to wait a year or two; model KS tend to take a while to get the production done and complete KS orders.




Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/02 20:18:30


Post by: Darth Bob


These are some of the coolest Lizardmen models, really, models in general, that I've seen in a long time. I'll definitely be pledging to this one.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/02 20:33:51


Post by: Carnikang


Davor wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
- GW prevent people from "piggy backing"...


I always get a kick out of this. GW get's upset when people use GW for stuff but GW entire line is "almost" a copy of something else. How ironic GW sues for what they basically do.


The pics shown, are those actual miniatures or just computer renders at the moment?

the big pic is all the models together. They have them printed up to show as far as i recall. They had two of them painted by a comission studio as well, the skink heros.

They had a previous kickstarter for a line of chaos dwarves they still sell, i belive.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/03 05:10:25


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


 Carnikang wrote:
They had a previous kickstarter for a line of chaos dwarves they still sell, i belive.

That's right ... magmhorin-dwarves So they do have reason to treat backers well, since they'd want further business. Still, other businesses have made choices that alienate customers, so that' no guarentee they will look towards the long term.

By the way, take a look at the Magmhôrin Realm Gate. Magnificent. As I do have a KoW Abyssal Dwarves army, I'd love to have that terrain piece, but there's nowhere to store it.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/03 09:03:18


Post by: Yodhrin


Hnnng, those Dwarves are shiny. Wish there was a good size comparison of all the various Dwarf and Evil Dwarf models out there.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/03 10:09:10


Post by: Silentz


Nice models - the Kroxigor and Chameleon Skinks are great alternatives to older finecast models.

Thanks for posting this.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/03 12:00:23


Post by: hive


Cool stuff. Just pledged for some of the heroes and might pledge more when more stretch goals unlock.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/03 13:30:11


Post by: Hbbyaddict


That "not a slann" and the carnosaur are so cool, hopefully it fully funds. The giant beast is a bit too big for my apartment but i cant wait to see what people in the community do with it.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/03 13:39:41


Post by: Kriswall


Amazing looking stuff. I wish I had the thousand dollars handy to build the sort of army I'd want to play with.

As it stands, I might buy a couple of the characters and watch with interest.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/03 13:44:29


Post by: Carlovonsexron


This stuff looks amazing, but I'm stopped dead in my tracks by resin. I just need to hope it lights a fire under the arses of the right people at GW to revitalize the lizard-men model line!


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/03 13:47:45


Post by: RoninXiC


10 miles above the GW lizardmen.

Good stuff! Hope you have lots of success


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/03 16:59:03


Post by: lord marcus


RoninXiC wrote:
10 miles above the GW lizardmen.

Good stuff! Hope you have lots of success


Ten miles above and twice as expensive


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/03 17:36:44


Post by: Sentionaut


These look fantastic, and with a friend who's thinking about getting into the hobby with seraphon, i wanted pledge and get him some as a gift... but the fact that these are apparently 30mm scale makes me hesitant perhaps i'm overreacting? i don't see many people being put off by the scale difference. In your guys' opinion, does that present much of an issue when it comes to the tabletop and playing or not really?


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/03 17:55:48


Post by: Yodhrin


 lord marcus wrote:
RoninXiC wrote:
10 miles above the GW lizardmen.

Good stuff! Hope you have lots of success


Ten miles above and twice as expensive


You mean the labour intensive hand-cast resin made by a small business is more expensive than the mass-produced injection molded plastic made by a comparatively giant corporation?! Shocking, shocking I say

EDIT: If you're hesitant because GW claims to be "28mm scale"(though they really haven't actually bothered to in some time I think), I wouldn't be. GW's models haven't been "28mm" for almost twenty years, and even within the Lizardmen plastics there's a fair amount of scale variation - the normal infantry Skinks are bigger than the Stegadon Skinks which are bigger than the Bastilodon Skinks, for example. The army shot appears to be using 20mm and 25mm square bases? If so they're either the same size as the GW ones or at least no larger than a modern GW plastic kit would be.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/03 18:00:19


Post by: Galas


 Sentionaut wrote:
These look fantastic, and with a friend who's thinking about getting into the hobby with seraphon, i wanted pledge and get him some as a gift... but the fact that these are apparently 30mm scale makes me hesitant perhaps i'm overreacting? i don't see many people being put off by the scale difference. In your guys' opinion, does that present much of an issue when it comes to the tabletop and playing or not really?

Warhammer heroic proportio s are more like 32mm anyway. It could look strange in humans, but something monstruous as lizardmen it wont be a problem.



Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/03 18:07:56


Post by: Zond


I love Lizardman and these are stunning. I'm very tempted to back although I have a ridiculous unpainted catalogue at this rate.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/03 23:04:36


Post by: skullking


I backed their Indegogo for the Chaos Dwarves awhile ago, and they came out great!

You can get them, along with some orcs & gobbos it looks like, on their website.

http://lostkingdomminiatures.com/en/


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/03 23:53:50


Post by: Hbbyaddict


Knowing that their chaos dwarves campaign resulted in some damn good models gives me the confidence to back them here. However I am a bit worried that the Carnosaur is a bit of a lofty stretch goal, that and the slann are why I am backing. So hopefully we can get there.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/04 18:00:12


Post by: Davor


skullking wrote:I backed their Indegogo for the Chaos Dwarves awhile ago, and they came out great!

You can get them, along with some orcs & gobbos it looks like, on their website.

http://lostkingdomminiatures.com/en/


Did you have any issues with the company or your order? Did it come late? Did you get what you ordered? Was the quality as good as the pics shown?

After reading what happened with Robotech Kickstarter and other Kickstarters, it seems it's a chance and you might not get your product or money back. So that is why I am leary and trying to learn how Kickstarter works.


I asked before but wasn't answered. How come and use a Kickstarter if the molds are already made? What if they don't get the sales to unlock the bonuses? What happens then? They are never released? It just doesn't make sense to spend all the money on molds if their is no demand for it. If the molds are not made how can they have this released by this August? I just don't get it and that is why I am leary.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/04 18:28:00


Post by: Original Timmy


skullking wrote:I backed their Indegogo for the Chaos Dwarves awhile ago, and they came out great!

You can get them, along with some orcs & gobbos it looks like, on their website.

http://lostkingdomminiatures.com/en/


Good to hear

Did you have any issues with the company or your order? Did it come late? Did you get what you ordered? Was the quality as good as the pics shown?

After reading what happened with Robotech Kickstarter and other Kickstarters, it seems it's a chance and you might not get your product or money back. So that is why I am leary and trying to learn how Kickstarter works.


Good questions and you beat me to them

I asked before but wasn't answered. How come and use a Kickstarter if the molds are already made? What if they don't get the sales to unlock the bonuses? What happens then? They are never released? It just doesn't make sense to spend all the money on molds if their is no demand for it. If the molds are not made how can they have this released by this August? I just don't get it and that is why I am leary.


They most probably have the master molds made but still need to make the production molds and pay for production of the minis, maybe even pay the sculptors.

Master molds are made from the "green" or digital file of the mini and they are used to create a set of masters as close to the original design as possible then put in storage until new masters are needed, then those masters will be used to make the production mold and then boxed up again until new production molds are needed.
Production molds are used just for that producing the retail minis, depending on what the molds are made from and what material is being used in casting they will only last so long, resin silicone molds dont last long 20-30 pulls before deteriorating whereas metal rubber molds will last a lot longer time maybe 10 times(someone else might know the numbers better), just for giggles a PVC mini mold will make thousands and thousands of minis before needing replacing but those molds are not cheap!



Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/04 18:34:55


Post by: Ketara


Davor wrote:

I asked before but wasn't answered. How come and use a Kickstarter if the molds are already made? What if they don't get the sales to unlock the bonuses? What happens then? They are never released? It just doesn't make sense to spend all the money on molds if their is no demand for it. If the molds are not made how can they have this released by this August? I just don't get it and that is why I am leary.


Small businesses have small cashflow. If you've got your computer design; you're only halfway there. Silicone rubber to make the molds costs, as does printing the master, and investing in the plant for production. Not a vast sum, but not an insubstantial one either.

The consequence is that a lot of small businesses these days would rather kickstarter (to invent a number) three kits which have the masters printed, along with stretch goals for another seven designs; as opposed to spending the same sum releasing two kits in full right at this moment for general sale. If they just release those two, they'll hopefully recoup sufficient cash from sales to make the third and so on; but it's slow and incremental.

If you can get that big cash injection up front from Kickstarter however, it lets you suddenly release all ten kits simultaneously with little risk. It also lets you sell large packages to the same customers instead of just the odd model, do a big focused advertising campaign, and complete the project in one fell swoop so you can move on to the next one.

The amount of time it takes to make the molds isn't such a big deal. Pouring and pressuring a new mold only takes a day, tops. Buying enough pressure pots to let you do a dozen molds simultaneously? That costs several thousand pounds. etcetc. For smaller firms, Kickstarter lets them get a real kick into the industry free of business loan entanglements, a single bad financial investment, or dragging projects.

Now I've backed several KS and been satisfied each time. The trick is to treat it like an investment. Do your homework, and invest a sum commensurate with the appropriate risk. Then forget about it, because not all investments pay off. So in no particular order...

Assessment

In this particular case; have they run a kickstarter before? Check.

Did it deliver and on time? Well, they said Spring 2017, and the last packages went out in April that year. So check.

Was it for a project of a comparable scale, and if not, is this one pie in the sky or a reasonable scaling up? Well, their last one funded at 19,000 euros with stretch goals up to 16,000. This one is at 33,000 euros already and has stretch goals up to 110,000 euros. So he's stretching a bit more than I'd be entirely comfortable with. So I'd automatically expect the delivery to slip by anything up to three or four months, as he hasn't handled a project of this size before.

Are they offering a deal too good to be true or loads of freebies? Well, his base pledge is at about 75 euros for fourteen models. Given most resin model makers will charge about three to four euros per model, that seems well in line with current market prices. Freebies consist of a coin (dirt cheap for production) at 75 euros , a single medium model and a few skulls per 150 euro pledge, and so on. Given the price level for the normal pledges, the freebies seem affordable for him. So check.


All told? 8/10. I'd quite happily drop an investment of a hundred and fifty euros with reasonable confidence, but I would expect delays due to this being a much larger scale to what he did before.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/05 00:34:26


Post by: Davor


Thank you Original Timmy for the explanation. Also thank you Ketara for taking the time for all that. That was really helpful in thinking of trying a Kickstarter or not.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/05 01:28:05


Post by: ScarletRose


 Ketara wrote:
Davor wrote:

I asked before but wasn't answered. How come and use a Kickstarter if the molds are already made? What if they don't get the sales to unlock the bonuses? What happens then? They are never released? It just doesn't make sense to spend all the money on molds if their is no demand for it. If the molds are not made how can they have this released by this August? I just don't get it and that is why I am leary.


Small businesses have small cashflow. If you've got your computer design; you're only halfway there. Silicone rubber to make the molds costs, as does printing the master, and investing in the plant for production. Not a vast sum, but not an insubstantial one either.

The consequence is that a lot of small businesses these days would rather kickstarter (to invent a number) three kits which have the masters printed, along with stretch goals for another seven designs; as opposed to spending the same sum releasing two kits in full right at this moment for general sale. If they just release those two, they'll hopefully recoup sufficient cash from sales to make the third and so on; but it's slow and incremental.

If you can get that big cash injection up front from Kickstarter however, it lets you suddenly release all ten kits simultaneously with little risk. It also lets you sell large packages to the same customers instead of just the odd model, do a big focused advertising campaign, and complete the project in one fell swoop so you can move on to the next one.

The amount of time it takes to make the molds isn't such a big deal. Pouring and pressuring a new mold only takes a day, tops. Buying enough pressure pots to let you do a dozen molds simultaneously? That costs several thousand pounds. etcetc. For smaller firms, Kickstarter lets them get a real kick into the industry free of business loan entanglements, a single bad financial investment, or dragging projects.


And from another perspective it makes a lot of sense to run a KS in terms advertising and developing a customer base. I'd never heard of these guys until this thread came up here.

In a more traditional model (pun?) of distribution they'd make a few minis as cashflow allowed, put them up on their own site (and some third party mini makers don't have great site design) and hopefully people would find them somehow. Whereas now I can see this thread, I can see it when I check the KS site for other projects I've backed, it's much easier for me, as someone who wasn't specifically in the market for lizardmen, to see the company offering some really cool product.

And if they deliver well I'll back more, or I'll buy from them again, as mentioned they apparently delivered a nice chaos dwarves project prev.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/05 09:03:50


Post by: StygianBeach


Davor wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
- GW prevent people from "piggy backing"...


I always get a kick out of this. GW get's upset when people use GW for stuff but GW entire line is "almost" a copy of something else. How ironic GW sues for what they basically do.



A bit disingenuous there, GW generally copy from a number of sources then combine them, as far as I can see the Cuetzpal Empire has 1 point of inspiration; GW's Lizardmen.
If the unit names can actually be translated into Aztec (or similar meso-american language) then I would say the Cuetzpal Empire has 2 points of inspiration.

Also as far as I know GW has not copied other miniature lines, and I would love to see GW's take on the Devourers of Vile Tis (Slaanesh worshippers of course).

Could you also clarify when was the last time GW sued for ip infringement, I am sure Spots the Spacemarine was not the last time.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/05 10:31:37


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


All the more reason for GW to take seraphon to their logical, space traveling, hitech conclusion.

I love the fact that the aztec accents feature much more strongly here, something GW never went far enough with in my opinion.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/05 12:10:58


Post by: godswildcard


Dear sweet merciful heavens...not sure how I'm supposed to resist going all in here. Well executed concept on some georgeous minis.

I am a little confused though. If you got the big army bundle, would you get all the stretch goals for free? Can anyone that speakers Kickstarter-ese answer that for me?


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/05 14:27:57


Post by: Ketara


 godswildcard wrote:
Dear sweet merciful heavens...not sure how I'm supposed to resist going all in here. Well executed concept on some georgeous minis.

I am a little confused though. If you got the big army bundle, would you get all the stretch goals for free? Can anyone that speakers Kickstarter-ese answer that for me?


The usual way stretch goals work is that if enough money is invested, a stretch goal unlocks and another item is available for purchase. Sometimes stretch goals are freebies; but it has to be explicitly spelled out as such.

As you can withdraw your pledge at any time; it's usually best practice to pledge the maximum amount you would want for stuff assuming all stretch goals were met; then go back 12 hours before the campaign funds to see what's actually unlocked. Then you can adjust your pledge appropriately.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/05 14:56:05


Post by: Yodhrin


 StygianBeach wrote:
Davor wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
- GW prevent people from "piggy backing"...


I always get a kick out of this. GW get's upset when people use GW for stuff but GW entire line is "almost" a copy of something else. How ironic GW sues for what they basically do.



A bit disingenuous there, GW generally copy from a number of sources then combine them, as far as I can see the Cuetzpal Empire has 1 point of inspiration; GW's Lizardmen.


That seems like an odd point of criticism - so, "stealing"(note: I do not actually consider unauthorised use of information "stealing", I'm just using the term for the same reason corporations do - impact) a whole bag of shopping is OK, but only "stealing" one Mars bar is not? Or does it only become OK once you use the "stolen" shopping to make a meal?

Cuetzal Empire are Lost Kingdom's take on a similar combination of concepts and tropes as the pastiche GW chose to use, that they weren't the first to use that particular combination doesn't make their work somehow "lesser" any more than one maker of flatscreen TVs not being the first to make such a device makes their offering "lesser" than the first to do so(assuming GW were the first, they rarely are and that's never made their stuff less appealing). Particularly given GW seem disinclined to continue developing and refining their version of the pastiche.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/05 15:08:50


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Yo shin, have you heard the saying "stealing from one source is plagiarism, stealing from many sources is research"? GW does a lot of research.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/05 15:19:05


Post by: Necros


These are some great looking minis. I'd be all over them if I still played with my lizardman army. I might pick up a few of the models though when they are released later


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/05 16:13:37


Post by: Yodhrin


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Yo shin, have you heard the saying "stealing from one source is plagiarism, stealing from many sources is research"? GW does a lot of research.


I'm bad at this kind of thing - is this a pithy remark agreeing or disagreeing with my post?


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/05 17:51:00


Post by: Davor


StygianBeach wrote:
Davor wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
- GW prevent people from "piggy backing"...


I always get a kick out of this. GW get's upset when people use GW for stuff but GW entire line is "almost" a copy of something else. How ironic GW sues for what they basically do.



A bit disingenuous there, GW generally copy from a number of sources then combine them, as far as I can see the Cuetzpal Empire has 1 point of inspiration; GW's Lizardmen.
If the unit names can actually be translated into Aztec (or similar meso-american language) then I would say the Cuetzpal Empire has 2 points of inspiration.

Also as far as I know GW has not copied other miniature lines, and I would love to see GW's take on the Devourers of Vile Tis (Slaanesh worshippers of course).

Could you also clarify when was the last time GW sued for ip infringement, I am sure Spots the Spacemarine was not the last time.


Not to derail the thread, I will PM you if you like. Just let me know.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/05 19:51:27


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Yodhrin wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Yo shin, have you heard the saying "stealing from one source is plagiarism, stealing from many sources is research"? GW does a lot of research.


I'm bad at this kind of thing - is this a pithy remark agreeing or disagreeing with my post?


Sort of both. While I agree that GW has "stolen" from plenty of sources (there is nothing truly original that can't be broken down into a collection of influences), I don't find that morally equivalent to actual theft. Nor do I believe it is equivalent to "stealing" the aesthetic designs from a single source, a direct imitation. However, I don't have a real problem with that, either, other than lamenting a general lack of creativity.

These lizardmen look great, even if they are obviously based on GW's own aesthetic. I hope to see more lizardmen that aren't armed and outfitted in Aztec style with derivative units like skinks, chameleons, lizard ogres, and the like.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/05 21:56:25


Post by: Mymearan


I really hope we’ll see some cool Seraphon armies on the tables using these models. With the huge boost they got from the new summoning rules there should be plenty of people interested!


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/05 23:21:56


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


If you're going to condemn Lost Kingdom for a lack of creativity, save some of that for GW itself. Their inspiration for the Slann was taken from the AD&D Fiend Folio monster species the Slaad. Almost everything Chaos related was inspired by Michael Moorcock's Elric novels including the eight-pointed star of Chaos and mutated Chaos Spawn. The early GW staff acknowledged this in the White Dwarf, citing their various sources of inspiration. Later during the Chapterhouse lawsuit, the then GW CEO testified that all of GW's ideas were original and developed in house. A pity the Chapterhouse defense team did not know about those older WD articles.

Of course, much of fantasy gaming both tabletop and RPG is a mishmash of Robert E. Howard, Tolkien, Jack Vance (Ioun Stones and the original D&D magic system where mages forgot the spell after casting) and some others I can't recall. HAWK & MOOR: The Unofficial History of Dungeons & Dragons gets into that. HAWK & MOOR (5 Book Series)

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:


Sort of both. While I agree that GW has "stolen" from plenty of sources (there is nothing truly original that can't be broken down into a collection of influences), I don't find that morally equivalent to actual theft. Nor do I believe it is equivalent to "stealing" the aesthetic designs from a single source, a direct imitation. However, I don't have a real problem with that, either, other than lamenting a general lack of creativity.

These lizardmen look great, even if they are obviously based on GW's own aesthetic. I hope to see more lizardmen that aren't armed and outfitted in Aztec style with derivative units like skinks, chameleons, lizard ogres, and the like.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/05 23:33:36


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
If you're going to condemn Lost Kingdom for a lack of creativity, save some of that for GW itself. Their inspiration for the Slann was taken from the AD&D Fiend Folio monster species the Slaad. Almost everything Chaos related was inspired by Michael Moorcock's Elric novels including the eight-pointed star of Chaos and mutated Chaos Spawn. The early GW staff acknowledged this in the White Dwarf, citing their various sources of inspiration. Later during the Chapterhouse lawsuit, the then GW CEO testified that all of GW's ideas were original and developed in house. A pity the Chapterhouse defense team did not know about those older WD articles.

Of course, much of fantasy gaming both tabletop and RPG is a mishmash of Robert E. Howard, Tolkien, Jack Vance (Ioun Stones and the original D&D magic system where mages forgot the spell after casting) and some others I can't recall. HAWK & MOOR: The Unofficial History of Dungeons & Dragons gets into that. HAWK & MOOR (5 Book Series)

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:


Sort of both. While I agree that GW has "stolen" from plenty of sources (there is nothing truly original that can't be broken down into a collection of influences), I don't find that morally equivalent to actual theft. Nor do I believe it is equivalent to "stealing" the aesthetic designs from a single source, a direct imitation. However, I don't have a real problem with that, either, other than lamenting a general lack of creativity.

These lizardmen look great, even if they are obviously based on GW's own aesthetic. I hope to see more lizardmen that aren't armed and outfitted in Aztec style with derivative units like skinks, chameleons, lizard ogres, and the like.


Reread what I wrote and I hope you'll see that I had no problems with them making not-Seraphon other than a hope to see new types of lizardpeoples in addition to the Aztec GW type.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/06 00:30:18


Post by: ssisal


I like these ALOT for AD&D/pathfinder minis. Lizardfolk are one of the staples of my world.. and holy smokes these are AMAZING. I was thinking of getting some of gw's but these are frankly the best looking lizardfolk that ive seen across any market. very well done with them! this will be the first kickstarter i think i will actually pledge too.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/06 01:24:31


Post by: Galas


I think I should ask the company for some kind of compensation, how they didn't even thought about posting their kickstarter in the biggest wargaming forum of the planet...


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/06 03:17:30


Post by: Yodhrin


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Yo shin, have you heard the saying "stealing from one source is plagiarism, stealing from many sources is research"? GW does a lot of research.


I'm bad at this kind of thing - is this a pithy remark agreeing or disagreeing with my post?


Sort of both. While I agree that GW has "stolen" from plenty of sources (there is nothing truly original that can't be broken down into a collection of influences), I don't find that morally equivalent to actual theft. Nor do I believe it is equivalent to "stealing" the aesthetic designs from a single source, a direct imitation. However, I don't have a real problem with that, either, other than lamenting a general lack of creativity.

These lizardmen look great, even if they are obviously based on GW's own aesthetic. I hope to see more lizardmen that aren't armed and outfitted in Aztec style with derivative units like skinks, chameleons, lizard ogres, and the like.


OK, we just see it differently then - either your source/s of inspiration are self-evident or not, and if they are whether there's one or a dozen makes no odds IMO. The creativity is in the interpretation of the concept rather than the concept itself, sure, but that's an entirely valid form of creativity.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/06 13:10:10


Post by: StarFyre


not familiar with this company. are they legit? of course it seems any miniature company not called CMON or Reaper on kickstarter have a chance to fail (centerstage anyone?) but would this have a good chance to make it?

[edit - just saw ketara post. so it appears they are legit and have delivered a kickstarter - but expect delays due to the size of this -delays arent an issue IMHO - its not completing the project and us losing money im worried about]

Sanjay


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/07 22:05:58


Post by: Davor


StarFyre wrote:
not familiar with this company. are they legit? of course it seems any miniature company not called CMON or Reaper on kickstarter have a chance to fail (centerstage anyone?) but would this have a good chance to make it?

[edit - just saw ketara post. so it appears they are legit and have delivered a kickstarter - but expect delays due to the size of this -delays arent an issue IMHO - its not completing the project and us losing money im worried about]

Sanjay


That is what I am worried about. Another Robotech fiasco.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/07 22:28:10


Post by: Overread


They've delivered one KS already so they know the trials and tribulations of KS and fulfilment and their previous KS is part of their regular retail sales now so there's a functional company behind it.

In addition the Robotech failure was partly also linked to the licence expiring and not being renewed which I suspect influenced their choices on how they managed things (esp near the end). This KS isn't bound to an external contract as the designs are all "in house".

In general any KS even one by a big company (eg reaper) can fail. It's always a risk. Heck Spartan Games were running one when their company went belly up and suddenly went into administration and there wasn't any real hints from them that this was possible (there were hints that they were in trouble but most of them were general gripes that SG had had for a number of years).


The trick is to only ever spend your disposable income; that way if a KS fails you've only lost "hobby" money that was disposable anyway. So treat it a bit like going to the dogs or the races in that regard.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/08 19:48:13


Post by: Tim the Biovore


The infantry are a bit much for me, but I hope this does well. Be a real shame for some of those larger models not to see the light of day because they've bitten off more than they can chew, funding-wise.

The not-Razordon and not-Salamander are absolutely gorgeous, I just wish they had more than one pose. I'd back for them alone otherwise.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/08 20:08:45


Post by: inflatablefriend


Lovely looking lizard peeps, makes me want to finish off my not-stegadon/coatl model.

Not sure I've much use for them, AoS seems dry around here, but might pick up some heroes for the shelf.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/09 02:15:35


Post by: Davor


Overread wrote:They've delivered one KS already so they know the trials and tribulations of KS and fulfilment and their previous KS is part of their regular retail sales now so there's a functional company behind it.

In addition the Robotech failure was partly also linked to the licence expiring and not being renewed which I suspect influenced their choices on how they managed things (esp near the end). This KS isn't bound to an external contract as the designs are all "in house".

In general any KS even one by a big company (eg reaper) can fail. It's always a risk. Heck Spartan Games were running one when their company went belly up and suddenly went into administration and there wasn't any real hints from them that this was possible (there were hints that they were in trouble but most of them were general gripes that SG had had for a number of years).


The trick is to only ever spend your disposable income; that way if a KS fails you've only lost "hobby" money that was disposable anyway. So treat it a bit like going to the dogs or the races in that regard.


Thanks for that. Almost like a stock market then. I don't want to take a chance right now. So I will wait till the Kickstarter is over and hopefully they still keep selling them then. If I had 100% guarantee then I would go in, but don't want to risk my disposable income since it could have went to something 100% in my hands.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/10 22:28:45


Post by: StygianBeach


 Yodhrin wrote:
 StygianBeach wrote:
Davor wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
- GW prevent people from "piggy backing"...


I always get a kick out of this. GW get's upset when people use GW for stuff but GW entire line is "almost" a copy of something else. How ironic GW sues for what they basically do.



A bit disingenuous there, GW generally copy from a number of sources then combine them, as far as I can see the Cuetzpal Empire has 1 point of inspiration; GW's Lizardmen.


That seems like an odd point of criticism - so, "stealing"(note: I do not actually consider unauthorised use of information "stealing", I'm just using the term for the same reason corporations do - impact) a whole bag of shopping is OK, but only "stealing" one Mars bar is not? Or does it only become OK once you use the "stolen" shopping to make a meal?

Cuetzal Empire are Lost Kingdom's take on a similar combination of concepts and tropes as the pastiche GW chose to use, that they weren't the first to use that particular combination doesn't make their work somehow "lesser" any more than one maker of flatscreen TVs not being the first to make such a device makes their offering "lesser" than the first to do so(assuming GW were the first, they rarely are and that's never made their stuff less appealing). Particularly given GW seem disinclined to continue developing and refining their version of the pastiche.


Stealing in combination with physical items is a bad comparison though. It is more like stealing a recipe, but it is even more like copying a recipe.

The thing is the Cuetzal Empire is not a take on the tropes and pastiches GW chose to use, as far as I can see it is a take on GW's take.
So while GW copied ideas, by virtue of melding them into a unique combination them they created something new. The Cuetzal Empire as far as I can see, is a copy of this something new. Aztec Lizardmen are easy to find in 20th century science fiction literature, GW did not invent them, but the creature they became in 5th edition Warhammer was unique.

The flatscreen example is also poor, I think a better example would be something along the lines of Khal Drogo is not lessened by the fact that Conan came before him. I agree with this idea completely and is one of the reasons I am upset copyright takes so long to expire.

I would also like to see non-Aztec Lizardmen, I wish someone would copy my beloved Stygian (from Chronopia) so I can really build an out of control swarm.

That being said, the Lost Kingdom "Slann" does look rather unique (I would not call it a development though), I will likely get that when it hits retail.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/12 23:15:03


Post by: skullking


Davor wrote:
skullking wrote:I backed their Indegogo for the Chaos Dwarves awhile ago, and they came out great!

You can get them, along with some orcs & gobbos it looks like, on their website.

http://lostkingdomminiatures.com/en/


Did you have any issues with the company or your order? Did it come late? Did you get what you ordered? Was the quality as good as the pics shown?

After reading what happened with Robotech Kickstarter and other Kickstarters, it seems it's a chance and you might not get your product or money back. So that is why I am leary and trying to learn how Kickstarter works.


I asked before but wasn't answered. How come and use a Kickstarter if the molds are already made? What if they don't get the sales to unlock the bonuses? What happens then? They are never released? It just doesn't make sense to spend all the money on molds if their is no demand for it. If the molds are not made how can they have this released by this August? I just don't get it and that is why I am leary.


Sorry for the late reply. I didn't have any issues with the company in terms of getting the items. I don't recall if they were late or not (I expect most crowdfunding stuff to take longer than expected, so I'm a bit more patient). The quality was definitely good though, IMO.

To be fair, the Robotech KS was a rather imfamous fiasco, and not the same company at all IIRC. They were also making those figures in plastic, which is a much more difficult and expensive process upfront. These guys will all be resin, and they already have a pipeline for resin casting, since they have a webshop set up for their existing figures. I don't believe all these figures have had molds made yet. Most of the pictures are just the 3D computer sculpts. When they fund, they'll have them 3D printed, then molds will be made to cast the actual figures.

Based on the Chaos Dwarfs Indegogo, it looks like everything they funded is currently in their webstore, plus at least one extra (the lamassu gate, which wasn't part of that project, AND I WANTS IT!!). So I thin it's a pretty good bet that whatever gets funded should make it to the store, but I can't confirm that. Buying through the kickstarter will get you a better price, but you'll have to wait awhile, buying it through the webstore will be quicker to receive, but you'll wait longer to get them into the store, and they'll probably be more expensive, so that's your trade off.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/13 00:05:29


Post by: Davor


Thank you so much Skull King.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/21 00:40:12


Post by: skullking


If you were waiting for the Gyro mega froggy, he's unlocked!



They even provided a little insight as to how his base and such will connect, which is kind of cool.

Spoiler:




Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/21 03:36:34


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


That base is really cool, but I fear I'll tip it over and break it for good.

It looks like a daunting bit of work to do. Hopefully the casting quality is nice and crisp!


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/21 04:34:49


Post by: Wolf_in_Human_Shape


Holy crap this is an awesome project. Wish I could fund it. So many of these minis are just beautiful.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/21 10:50:34


Post by: Sarouan


I have a question for those who have received miniatures from previous projects/purchases from them : how is the quality of their resin ? Is it supple, brittle ? Do they need a lot of work to clean before building/painting ? Did you have a lot of bending parts that you had to put back in good shape under warm water ?


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/21 11:58:25


Post by: StygianBeach


I am in for the Frog.

He will either go on a 80mm or 100mm base, not a 50mm though.

The fancy Kroxigor is also tempting me.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/24 00:59:28


Post by: RiTides


Wow, that is intense! I can't see what the gears inside the base are for, though?

I think it would look really cool with just the frog-in-sphere, without assembling the surrounding rings (and be more practical as a gaming piece, too).


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/24 01:24:32


Post by: skullking


 RiTides wrote:
Wow, that is intense! I can't see what the gears inside the base are for, though?

I think it would look really cool with just the frog-in-sphere, without assembling the surrounding rings (and be more practical as a gaming piece, too).


This was from the update.

To make it even more spectacular, we designed the Ometéotl device with a simple rotating base, with which you only have to move a small gear to place the powerful Supreme Sorcerer facing his enemies without moving the base.

In addition, the rings can be moved manually to place the device in the position that you like and making it easier to store and transport. We think it might look amazing!


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/24 13:12:50


Post by: hive


If I hadn't been home sick with no pay for the last week, I would have definitely upped my pledge to include the Supreme Sorceror. As things are, I don't think I can afford the extra expense this month :(

Beautiful model though!


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/24 14:09:56


Post by: Overread


Hive don't forget many minature KS often have a pledge manager after. It's not just the company getting more money but also because the postage and such can get a little complicated with all the addons people want to do. So its often lets you get an extra month or more to add into your initial pledge.

The KS is still the best place to pledge if you can as it unlocks the reward goals, whilst the Pledge manager won't.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/26 08:18:20


Post by: toco


 StygianBeach wrote:
I am in for the Frog.

He will either go on a 80mm or 100mm base, not a 50mm though.



Me too Don't need him, but I couldn't resist.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/28 15:59:15


Post by: sockwithaticket


I'm definitely in for £75 to grab some characters.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/31 05:11:27


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


Last day, folks. Get those pledges in. Have done so at 44 Euros for the cavalry.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/31 08:23:11


Post by: ssisal


if only my sis wasnt late paying rent this month for a job change.. Id be in. as it is.. will see what options are available after the 1st.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/07/31 08:44:59


Post by: Overread


Gah the only thing I really want is the giant snake dragon - which isn't to say the rest don't look fantastic. Sadly as the most expensive I think i'll have to hold off and (even though it will cost more) pick it up another time/year.



Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/08/27 08:51:58


Post by: StygianBeach


Postage is 20€ to Germany for the Frog alone.

I am kinda tempted to get some Chaos Dwarves to pad the box out a bit.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/08/27 23:41:08


Post by: Zachectomy


Will these models eventually be available outside of kickstarter?


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/08/27 23:53:16


Post by: skullking


Zachectomy wrote:
Will these models eventually be available outside of kickstarter?


Besides the ones listed as KS exclusive, and the army deals you were able to get during the campaign, I'm sure they will. They've released all the Chaos dwarfs they did in their indegogo campaign, plus a piece of scenery, so I don't see why, or how they couldn't with these. If you want any of the exclusives, I'd email them now though, and see if you can late back it before the 9/16, when the pledge manager closes.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/08/28 01:13:20


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


Zachectomy wrote:
Will these models eventually be available outside of kickstarter?
As Skullking has already stated, they have released the Chaos Dwarves from their previous KS campaign at retail, so I'd assume they'd do the same here. (Barring KS exclusives of course). What does surprise me is they have not opened up late pledges as many other KS projects have done.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/09/04 09:11:54


Post by: toco


Just venting...

The shipping cost is insane :-(

21Eu for a 45Eu mini ...


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/09/04 09:47:29


Post by: Silentz


Seems to be a high base shipping cost, but which doesn't scale up very much.

I've got 9 minis at €91... shipping is €17.79

Still much more than I expected but not 50% of the model cost like yours.

Kickstarter, eh?


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2018/09/04 13:02:30


Post by: StygianBeach


 toco wrote:
Just venting...

The shipping cost is insane :-(

21Eu for a 45Eu mini ...


Yeah, if I had of known it was 21€ I would have not backed for the frog.

By the time the Frog arrives I imagine I will be happy again.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/06/27 08:55:06


Post by: mould2k


My model came through yesterday, great casting, lovely sculpting. He's a big unit but should rank up ok. Looking forward to getting him painted.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/06/27 18:30:25


Post by: StygianBeach


My mini arrived last week.

Casting is overall good with few bubbles and misalignment were it does not really matter.

Sculpting is well defined but too small.

I wish I had resisted the Frog and ordered something else from a different company.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/06/27 21:47:26


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


My box shipped recently, so hopefully it'll be waiting for me when I get home.

I ordered... a lot.

I will put it all up on Youtube for those that are curious. Gotta do some in depth and intense lizard reviews.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/06/27 22:46:25


Post by: Sacredroach


I sort of got my huge box...they shipped all of the add-ons but none of the 4 core boxes of troops...

Be sure to check your order when it arrives!

Also, the sculpts are AMAZING! Highlord, you will be greatly pleased with your order.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/06/27 23:27:15


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I have not heard anything yet. I'm struggling to stay calm in the face of such uncertainty. Calm as a lizard.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/06/28 02:11:28


Post by: Mattlov


How did I miss these? I need so many of them!


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/07/08 12:21:42


Post by: Sacredroach


These are now up for preorder on their web site.

https://lostkingdomminiatures.com/en/

Prices are slightly higher than he KS, but the sculpts are excellent.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/07/08 14:07:32


Post by: Gallahad


Looking at these sculpts I realized that skinks and ripperdactyls were the only units where I felt GW has better design and execution. The whole rest of the line is far better from Lost Kingdom. Kind of sad that a small Indy company can put out such better designs than the big market leader...


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/07/08 14:09:31


Post by: Carlovonsexron


For now~ I'm hoping for a good showing from the lizard man bloodbowl team (whenever it comes....) to give us a taste of.where GW sees the lizard man design going in the future.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/07/08 15:16:46


Post by: Sacredroach


Well, the rumors of a large Seraphon update is coming later this year (more maybe a different faction?). At any rate, my buddy and I needed more.

Actually thinking of using those Helicoprion-like flyers for my Idoneth.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/07/08 15:35:39


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Mine should be arriving today. We'll see what I'm missing before I go make another order.
Probably going to grab a Carnosaur at least.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/07/08 16:09:09


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Their latest update said something about 3D printing more items. What did you order, Highlord?


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/07/08 17:18:16


Post by: StygianBeach


 Gallahad wrote:
Looking at these sculpts I realized that skinks and ripperdactyls were the only units where I felt GW has better design and execution. The whole rest of the line is far better from Lost Kingdom. Kind of sad that a small Indy company can put out such better designs than the big market leader...


Gw's Frogmages are better too.

The only designs that I think are truly poor from GW are the lizardmen cold ones.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/07/08 17:38:50


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Nah, the basic saurus warriors are really showing their age as well. All the fluff mentions them towering over humans, being big and imposing... they're all kinda scrunched up to fit the rank and file system.

I still think Last Sword's basic saurus was better than Lost Kingdom's, but Lost Kingdom's character models are light years beyond everybody elses.

I ordered all the hero models and a few units of big stuff. I'm most curious how large their cavalry are compared to a cold one. The cavalry command unit's leader seems large enough to use as a makeshift carnosaur even!


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/07/08 18:13:40


Post by: Gallahad


 StygianBeach wrote:
 Gallahad wrote:
Looking at these sculpts I realized that skinks and ripperdactyls were the only units where I felt GW has better design and execution. The whole rest of the line is far better from Lost Kingdom. Kind of sad that a small Indy company can put out such better designs than the big market leader...


Gw's Frogmages are better too.

The only designs that I think are truly poor from GW are the lizardmen cold ones.


The basic Saurus are pretty bad, and when you put them on top of Flintstone Dinos like the cold ones... You have a really potent mix of poor design.

I think they might be one of the worst sculpts still out there.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/07/08 18:38:59


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I just realized that I was confusing Lost Kingdom and Last Sword.


Lost Kingdom Kickstarter - Lizardmen Empire @ 2019/07/08 22:10:07


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


So I started in on one of the cold ones...



Along with one of their Temple Guard models-


You can see they're quite a lot bigger and there's a lot more detail.

People in the comments section weren't kidding about being careful cleaning these models. There's all sorts of knobs, spikes, frills, and bones sticking out that will require a lot of patience to prepare. I'm still not done with just these two!