So, I am reading the Drukhari Codex.

Icubi.

The only known path of entry into the order is to best a proven Incubus and take his armour .Should an aspirant live long enough to achieve this murderous feat, then the final training can begin. The initiate is given a singular, spiteful task – to kill an Aspect Warrior of the Asuryani in single combat, shatter his quarry’s precious spirit stone, and return it to the Hierarch. When this task is completed, only then can he be fully inducted as an Incubus.

So what happens when a female Drukhari kills the Klaivex? She's not allowed to take his place because she is not a male, so the whole shrine is left to rot?

Scourge.

A rich and daring Drukhari may surrender themselves to the Haemonculi,requesting that their bones be hollowed out by the cold metal drills of a Talos, that bands of new muscle be grafted onto their torso, and powerful wings and adrenaline dispensers be attached to their shoulders so that they are capable of true flight.

Apparently, the plural form as gender-neutral expression for an individual is used in Scourge but not Incubi, which means it is intended. So is there any reason why Dark Eldar females are excluded from Incubi? There are male Howling Banshees and Wyches, you know.

Yeah feth females amiright? No girls allowed!!

Dude it's probably an oversight, don't get too hung up on it. I'm willing to put money on there being female incubi, after all it's the current year!

Though incubi the actual mythical creature are male, then their counter parts are sucubi.

Male =Incubus, incubi (plural)

Female=Sucubus, sucubi (plural)

Google is your friend dude


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Why are there no male Sucubi?

The same reason GW doesn't produce male Sucubi models... Incubi is their male counterpart

For the same reason there aren't any male Wyches or male Sisters of Battle. It's a gender exclusive role. Or it might just be using his as a generic pronoun as is common, instead of saying "his or her or xer or xim or purflarf".

As stated, the "real world" (as "real" as fictional beings can be) counterparts are exclusively male. Succubus were female sexual daemons and Incubus were male sexual daemons.

This is like the people who complain they only see males when they search "actor". It's typically a good idea to learn what a word means before starting any rant revolving around it.

IronBrand wrote:
This is like the people who complain they only see males when they search "actor". It's typically a good idea to learn what a word means before starting any rant revolving around it.

Exactly. There is nothing wrong with differentiating between genders. Men and Women are different, after all. I wish the -rix suffix was still used instead of -ess for more things, it sounds so much cooler to be an aviatrix or actrix than an aviator or actor.

Cough.... cough..... there are Male Wyches (just not Succubui).

I wouldn't read too much into one pronoun. There probably can be female Incubi, if there couldn't they probably would it say it more clearly.


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 BaconCatBug wrote:
Or it might just be using his as a generic pronoun as is common, instead of saying "his or her or xer or xim or purflarf".

'Their' is the world you're looking for. But it is such an exotic world that is it understandable that you might not have heard of it.

 Crimson wrote:
I wouldn't read too much into one pronoun. There probably can be female Incubi, if there couldn't they probably would it say it more clearly.


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 BaconCatBug wrote:
Or it might just be using his as a generic pronoun as is common, instead of saying "his or her or xer or xim or purflarf".

'Their' is the world you're looking for. But it is such an exotic world that is it understandable that you might not have heard of it.

Using "Their" as a gender neutral pronoun is not strictly correct (It's the equivalent of saying somebody "ranned" a race), although since English doesn't have a governing body like French does, I suppose usage is the final arbiter of what is "correct".


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 Amishprn86 wrote:
Cough.... cough..... there are Male Wyches (just not Succubui).

Fair enough. Then it's the same as Howling Banshees, where the gender ratio is so lopsided it's effectively all female.

 Crimson wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Or it might just be using his as a generic pronoun as is common, instead of saying "his or her or xer or xim or purflarf".

'Their' is the world you're looking for. But it is such an exotic world that is it understandable that you might not have heard of it.

I'm crying laughing right now. This thread is too good

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Using "Their" as a gender neutral pronoun is not strictly correct (It's the equivalent of saying somebody "ranned" a race), although since English doesn't have a governing body like French does, I suppose usage is the final arbiter of what is "correct".

It has been commonly used since 14th century. That it would be somehow 'incorrect' is a victorian invention, like split infinitives being 'incorrect.'

Many military and social groups of the 41st millennium do not accept all genders. Space Marines are all male (well kind of as they are pretty inhuman considering all the massive modifications to their bodies); Of course then arose the mighty sisters of battle, an all female group of righteous followers of the Emperor who are not marines but try to get as close to them as possible.

Meanwhile Daughters of Khaine only keep their males as weak servants and for menial duties in their society; only the very few become gifted enough to rise to the ranks of a Doomfire Warlock (the only male in their current army line up) and even they have to drink a potion that lets Morathi kill them with a whim if she thinks they are a threat (then again she does that with the females too - anything that's at threat dies)


And yes Incubus and Succubus are essentially gender specific terms. One for male and one for female. So there will never be a female in the ranks of the Incubus et c...

Heh never really noticed to be honest.

Makes sense though, incubi, incubus and all that.

Why would they want to be a Incubus, when being a succubus is so much better, better stats, better weapon choices, blaster pistols.

 angelrei wrote:
Why would they want to be a Incubus, when being a succubus is so much better, better stats, better weapon choices, blaster pistols.

That armor though. Its looks so cool. Succubi probably don't need it as they can apparently dodge so good that they can avoid bullets (they are supposed to be able to do that in the fluff, iirc. Dunno how it works in game. No one in my FLGS plays DE), but fashion, you know?

 BaconCatBug wrote:
For the same reason there aren't any male Wyches or male Sisters of Battle. It's a gender exclusive role. Or it might just be using his as a generic pronoun as is common, instead of saying "his or her or xer or xim or purflarf".

As stated, the "real world" (as "real" as fictional beings can be) counterparts are exclusively male. Succubus were female sexual daemons and Incubus were male sexual daemons.

There's not actually no male wyches. It's also not lopsided. The wych kit comes with 5 male and 5 female torsos. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/Dark-Eldar-Wyches

There is also no explicit reason why all succubi need to be female - they're just described with female pronouns in the fluff and the three sculpts that have been made for succubi throughout the years have all been female.

Same deal with Incubi. Their original sculpts were made in 3rd ed, so pretty much all models were male by default and "female" was pretty much always an attribute that units would have attached to their fluff, like "scorpion-themed" or "uses jetpacks". Kabalite Warriors for example used to be modeled as all male https://i0.wp.com/allminiatures.ru/shop/images/w40k/de/Troops/01b.jpg. Wyches and Succubi were the "woman" themed dark eldar, corresponding to the Witch Elves in fantasy.

When the new line came out, the wyches and kabalites got gender-integrated along with the rest of the kits, and the "almost always female" bits of the fluff about wyches got cut out for the most part. Succubi remained female as modeled and incubi, due to still having only 3 sculpts in total, remained all male as modeled.

But hey, one of my succubi is male and one is female, because I like variety in my models. Same with my Archons, one female (kitbash based on Yvraine intended to be Lady Malys) and the other is male (a Harlequin/Scourge/wych kitbash usually used as a second archon who's made a deal with the Harlequins to rise to his station.)

That's the nice thing about gender-integrated model lines with compatible bits. You can have models that look extremely different but are still clearly the same unit but which look totally different. That's where a lot of my frustration comes with the genestealer cults and the way they implemented the latest-generation cultists. Here's a unit that's supposed to infiltrate all levels of imperial society and establish a foothold in every place they can, and here I have a kit that only generates 10 identical bald dudes who could be the exact same person save for a couple bits stuck into their faces, non-compatible besides the head with Cadian guard, non-compatible without cutting with any of the various necromunda gangs, in a very role-specific miner outfit rather than a general generic imperial scum getup.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 angelrei wrote:
Why would they want to be a Incubus, when being a succubus is so much better, better stats, better weapon choices, blaster pistols.

That armor though. Its looks so cool. Probably don't need it if you can dodge so good that you can avoid bullets (they are supposed to be able to do that in the fluff, iirc. Dunno how it works in game. No one in my FLGS plays DE), but fashion, you know?

If I can remember off the top of my head, succubus's get a 4++ save while out of combat and a 3++ while in combat?, this is off the top of my head so could be wrong.

But my metal incubi have bewbs...damn you gdubs why you invalidate meh models????

 Vector Strike wrote:
The same reason GW doesn't produce male Sucubi models... Incubi is their male counterpart

Indeed, there's a clue in the name. And who says GW can't be subtle?

Also, do we really need this thread again? Or can I ask why there are no female Hive Tyrants or male Norn Queens?

>Female space marines

 vaklor4 wrote:
>Female space marines

Male Sisters of Battle. We'll call them the Brodeptus Sororitas.

hobojebus wrote:
But my metal incubi have bewbs...damn you gdubs why you invalidate meh models????

I think you are joking? b.c they didnt have bewbs lol

the_scotsman wrote:
Same deal with Incubi. Their original sculpts were made in 3rd ed, so pretty much all models were male by default and "female" was pretty much always an attribute that units would have attached to their fluff, like "scorpion-themed" or "uses jetpacks".

The original metal incubi models included both male and female examples.

Kabalite Warriors for example used to be modeled as all male https://i0.wp.com/allminiatures.ru/shop/images/w40k/de/Troops/01b.jpg. Wyches and Succubi were the "woman" themed dark eldar, corresponding to the Witch Elves in fantasy.

Again, you're wrong. The original 3rd edition DE mini range included kabalites and wyches of both genders. Your link is misleading: 1 in 4 of those plastic kabalites in the photo actually have a female torso, but since the rifles and arms hide their chests you can't really see.

Here's a better pic:


Original wych models:


Two of the original incubi models, including a female:

When the new line came out, the wyches and kabalites got gender-integrated along with the rest of the kits, and the "almost always female" bits of the fluff about wyches got cut out for the most part.

Nope. Wyches only started being described as female-dominated in relatively recent fluff. When first introduced in 3rd edition, the DE did not distinguish between males and females in any role.

I have 3rd DE army, and none of my Incubi are female, i guess i must be missing the model.

But 3rd doesnt matter, 3rd is long and gone. only 8th remains!

There is really nothing in the fluff that prevents female Incubi or male Succubi. They're not described as mono-gender factions unlike Sisters and Marines. That the names have gender specific origins doesn't mean they're limited that way in the setting. Or do somebody think there cannot be female Lord Commissars?

 Amishprn86 wrote:


I think you are joking? b.c they didnt have bewbs lol

Yes at least some of them did.

Yep those bumps are boobs.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
>Female space marines

Male Sisters of Battle. We'll call them the Brodeptus Sororitas.

Pretty sure the Sororitas part of the name is from the Latin soror (“sister”), so the correct term for male Sisters of Battle would be Adeptus Broritos.

 simonr1978 wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:


I think you are joking? b.c they didnt have bewbs lol

Yes at least some of them did.

Please read the other comments before posting, otherwise you would have seen me saying "I have a 3rd ed DE army and i must be missing a model or 2 out of my incubi as i dont have any with boobs" i do have 12 Incubi, so i am missing a few.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
>Female space marines

Male Sisters of Battle. We'll call them the Brodeptus Sororitas.

Pretty sure the Sororitas part of the name is from the Latin soror (“sister”), so the correct term for male Sisters of Battle would be Adeptus Broritos.

Or Adeptus Fraternicus. Frat meaning Bro in latin

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My storm ravens aren't female, this is a travesty.

But, GW is selling a Social Justice Lipstick paint pot now, so i can make some fancy lips on them.

Maybe when they finish replacing resin kits with plastic we'll get some bodacious incubi again.

Thbbt to pronoun oversights. Go get yourself some spare Warrior/Hellion/Scourge/Wych torsos and kitbash an all-female Incubi squad.

Wouldn't a female incubi be a succubi

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Wouldn't a female incubi be a succubi

nope. totally separate groups within Dark Eldar society, GW is just not very good at naming things.

Wouldn't a Rhino Primaris be able to transport Primaris Marines?

Isn't a Primaris Psyker a Primaris Marine?

the_scotsman wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Wouldn't a female incubi be a succubi

nope. totally separate groups within Dark Eldar society, GW is just not very good at naming things.

Wouldn't a Rhino Primaris be able to transport Primaris Marines?

Isn't a Primaris Psyker a Primaris Marine?

...... he is talking about the RL lore of Succubi and Incubi.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus

 Amishprn86 wrote:


...... he is talking about the RL lore of Succubi and Incubi.......

Everybody knows that. But it is just the origin of the name (or origin of the Imperial translation of the name, really.) They're not demons, they're space elves. Space marine Rhino is not a thick-skinned African ungulate that decided to join the space military, it's a tank.

 Crimson wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:


...... he is talking about the RL lore of Succubi and Incubi.......

Everybody knows that. But it is just the origin of the name (or origin of the Imperial translation of the name, really.) They're not demons, they're space elves. Space marine Rhino is not a thick-skinned African ungulate that decided to join the space military, it's a tank.

Look this is the 2010s not the 1800s. If a thick-skinned African ungulate wants to join the space military in service to the God Emperor of Bipedal Apes then he's got every right to! You can't just go discriminating against African ungulates!

*gets his coat - flees the thread at top speed!*

 Amishprn86 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Wouldn't a female incubi be a succubi

nope. totally separate groups within Dark Eldar society, GW is just not very good at naming things.

Wouldn't a Rhino Primaris be able to transport Primaris Marines?

Isn't a Primaris Psyker a Primaris Marine?

...... he is talking about the RL lore of Succubi and Incubi.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus

.............................................and he is incorrectly applying them to 40k, where they are just names, and the answer is "nope".............................i have more passive aggressive pause dots than you...........................

Say what you want, but DE current lore is that Succubus can only be female so it is about GW. If you read the Incubi lore it only refers to them as males (Him, His, he etc..)

With that said you can have your own lore and make Females, it is a hobby/modeling game.

Please knock this SJW crap on the head.

Incubi are male end of. Witch cults predominantly female but those males within a cult being of lower status, that is just the way the factions evolved in the lore.

Jeezus.

 Overread wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:


...... he is talking about the RL lore of Succubi and Incubi.......

Everybody knows that. But it is just the origin of the name (or origin of the Imperial translation of the name, really.) They're not demons, they're space elves. Space marine Rhino is not a thick-skinned African ungulate that decided to join the space military, it's a tank.

Look this is the 2010s not the 1800s. If a thick-skinned African ungulate wants to join the space military in service to the God Emperor of Bipedal Apes then he's got every right to! You can't just go discriminating against African ungulates!

*gets his coat - flees the thread at top speed!*

Yeah, and what if the thick-skinned African ungulate identifies as a tank? Are you going to tell it no? I mean, its a big animal with a big horn.

 Galef wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
>Female space marines

Male Sisters of Battle. We'll call them the Brodeptus Sororitas.

Pretty sure the Sororitas part of the name is from the Latin soror (“sister”), so the correct term for male Sisters of Battle would be Adeptus Broritos.

Or Adeptus Fraternicus. Frat meaning Bro in latin

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You just gave me a pretty great idea for a troll space marine army.


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Metal incubi had boobs...just sayin.

I like how there is nothing so niche that people won't be upset when asked if there are females represented.

Asking if there are female incubi is a perfectly reasonable question. Dark Eldar are explicitly genderless for nearly all social roles, so asking if the language in one lore section was using him/his in a gendered sense, or in the genderless sense, is actually pretty understandable.

So did Roman Gladiators. They ate ALL THE CARBS to create a nice fatty layer to protect their precious muscle. Boob armour doesn't mean anything for poor quality ancient models.

Look at the other Aspects.

(Yes, it's not explicit that Incubi are Aspect Warriors, but it's highly implied. Further, even if they are not, the logic here works the same.)

Guardian kits have male & female models - they wear space-Spandex, so it's not unsurprising. Same thing with Wyches - due to what they wear, you can tell them apart.

Dire Avengers and Aspects wearing heavier armor means you can't see the difference. Swooping Hawks and Banshees have equally rigid armor. You can't see if they are male and female.

No, lumping Banshees in with the others there was not a mistake. They look female. But they don't look like whoever is wearing the armor: they look like the frightening visage of a Banshee, from Eldar mythology. Or do you think that's really their hair? Do you think that's really what their face looks like? Further evidence of this is comparing the Banshee form to the Guardian form: why are those wearing the heavier armor so much more... obvious? Because it's not the wearer's form. It's presentation.

The fluff is split on whether males can be Banshees (although more recently the fluff has skewed towards yes). But whether it's a male or female wearing the armor, they look like a Banshee from myth - so they look female.

Now, back to other aspects: look at Fire Dragons, Striking Scorpions, Dark Reapers, and Incubi. Are you sure those models are male? Would a female in the same armor look any different? That armor is even more rigid than the lighter Aspect armor.

Even if Incubi are not "proper" Aspect Warrior, the same underlying culture created both, with similar goals, tools, and purposes. Why wouldn't Incubi match the rest of the Aspect Warriors in this regard?

So, in summary: typically, the difference between a male Incubi modle and a female Incubi model? The headcanon of the owner.

 Polonius wrote:
I like how there is nothing so niche that people won't be upset when asked if there are females represented.

Asking if there are female incubi is a perfectly reasonable question. Dark Eldar are explicitly genderless for nearly all social roles, so asking if the language in one lore section was using him/his in a gendered sense, or in the genderless sense, is actually pretty understandable.

Nice poisoning the well there. No-one is upset that "females are represented", people are upset that any notion of disagreement is instantly screeched at as being sexist or what-have-you when there are perfectly valid reasons for the lore to support something being male only. I notice that no-one who gets "upset" about male only Incubi seem to be upset that males can't be Adeptus Sororitas. Double standards much? (Real World Parallel: These are the same people that get upset that rules to stop single gender college clubs apply to all female clubs too, despite the rules being "intended" to end male only clubs.)

And in any case, you're more than welcome to just make up your own fluff. Nothing is stopping you, and likewise nothing is stopping me from rolling my eyes and ignoring it. If you want Female Spess Mahrines or Male Sisters of Silence, go nuts. No-one cares about your own little bubble, they care about established lore being changed due to extremist bigot screeching.

Also,
There have been, over the years, places in the rules where a gendered pronoun has been used for a player in the game. Arguing that the gendered pronoun mean all Incubi must be male would be parallel to arguing all players of the game *must* be male and not female, while they also *must* be female and not male.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
I like how there is nothing so niche that people won't be upset when asked if there are females represented.

Asking if there are female incubi is a perfectly reasonable question. Dark Eldar are explicitly genderless for nearly all social roles, so asking if the language in one lore section was using him/his in a gendered sense, or in the genderless sense, is actually pretty understandable.

Nice poisoning the well there. No-one is upset that "females are represented", people are upset that any notion of disagreement is instantly screeched at as being sexist or what-have-you when there are perfectly valid reasons for the lore to support something being male only.

I mean, one person literally said:

Marmatag wrote: But, GW is selling a Social Justice Lipstick paint pot now, so i can make some fancy lips on them.

and another

NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:Please knock this SJW crap on the head.

Incubi are male end of. Witch cults predominantly female but those males within a cult being of lower status, that is just the way the factions evolved in the lore.

Jeezus.

I guess when we can try to parse if they are upset that they are being judged (even though they hadn't posted in the thread, and nobody was being judgmental), or if they just dislike SJW type questions. You know, because they used the term, which is virtually always used in a derogatory fashion.

I notice that no-one who gets "upset" about male only Incubi seem to be upset that males can't be Adeptus Sororitas. Double standards much?

Real talk: I don't think anybody in this thread is upset. People asked a question about a normally genderless society. Literally nobody was upset.

It's also possible that people aren't interest in male SoB. Not everything is done as part of an agenda or troll. If somebody wanted to build power armored Frateris Militia as part of a rogue order that violated the Decree Passive... that'd actually be pretty cool. They wouldn't be technically Sisters of Battle, because that's literally an in-universe legal dodge, but non-space marine power armored warriors are cool.

(Real World Parallel: These are the same people that get upset that rules to stop single gender college clubs apply to all female clubs too, despite the rules being "intended" to end male only clubs.)

So, some people are. Here's a hint: some women support same sex spaces, in the same way that some men do. The problem wasn't that there were some clubs or associations that were same gender, it's that some of those clubs or associations had disproportionate power or influence, and were only one gender. If everybody that joins the best club got a huge career boost, but they only accept males, that's pretty openly unfair to women, right?

And in any case, you're more than welcome to just make up your own fluff. Nothing is stopping you, and likewise nothing is stopping me from rolling my eyes and ignoring it. If you want Female Spess Mahrines or Male Sisters of Silence, go nuts. No-one cares about your own little bubble, they care about established lore being changed due to extremist bigot screeching.

Do you need a nap or something? Where in this thread do you see anybody even implying bigotry? Instead, it was a series of snarky comments about "identity" or "SJWs." Seriously, there's plenty of genuine nonsense in identity politics that being pissy here is just absurd.

bibotot wrote:
So, I am reading the Drukhari Codex.

Icubi.

The only known path of entry into the order is to best a proven Incubus and take his armour .Should an aspirant live long enough to achieve this murderous feat, then the final training can begin. The initiate is given a singular, spiteful task – to kill an Aspect Warrior of the Asuryani in single combat, shatter his quarry’s precious spirit stone, and return it to the Hierarch. When this task is completed, only then can he be fully inducted as an Incubus.

So what happens when a female Drukhari kills the Klaivex? She's not allowed to take his place because she is not a male, so the whole shrine is left to rot?

Scourge.

A rich and daring Drukhari may surrender themselves to the Haemonculi,requesting that their bones be hollowed out by the cold metal drills of a Talos, that bands of new muscle be grafted onto their torso, and powerful wings and adrenaline dispensers be attached to their shoulders so that they are capable of true flight.

Apparently, the plural form as gender-neutral expression for an individual is used in Scourge but not Incubi, which means it is intended. So is there any reason why Dark Eldar females are excluded from Incubi? There are male Howling Banshees and Wyches, you know.

Probably best to not take everything printed in a piece of GW published text to be 100% accurate, they struggle enough to get the rules half right, let alone keeping their fluff in order. That said after giving the wiki a quick skim it doesn't say anything about Incubi being only male and i would guess that they used he because Incubi is a gender specific word. The whole "can only become one by taking their armor" wouldn't lend itself to any sort of longevity when Incubi are killed in combat (and have their armor looted by orks or something).

Wyches are mostly female but have some males but are generally considered of lower standing where as Howling Banshees (at least according to the wiki) is all female. Not sure why that really matters beyond just being an interesting characteristic of those organizations.

The Howling Banshee part varies according to the source. Some wikis further specify that male Banshees are rare, but they do happen. Fluffwise, there's no way to know, looking at a Banshee model, if they're male or female.

@Polonius.

Yes, these types of question do irritate me at times. Primarily due to the recurring FemMarine arguement.

What anoys me the most however is that this is a game, intended for fun, inclusivity and a laugh - people seem to lose sight of this.

@OP - I am not saying you have a social agenda going on but these types of threads are getting well past their sell buy date.

Female Incubi are Succubi.

 Vector Strike wrote:
The same reason GW doesn't produce male Sucubi models... Incubi is their male counterpart

Well no, they aren't.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Please knock this SJW crap on the head.

No.

Uh...probably because it has to with the name and a cool little theme. Incubi are male demons, and Succubi are female demons I believe in our history so I got a feeling it has to do with that. Seems pretty boring but idk what else it could be.

 grumpusbumpus wrote:
Female Incubi are Succubi.

Depends on the mythology. There are some D&D-esque settings where which one an Evil person ends up becoming is based on their type of evil; rapists become Incubi and seducers become Succubi, regardless of their gender in life.

Of course, this is entirely irrelevant since Drukhari aren't demons.

Yeah I wouldn't take the fact that they use male pronous as gospel.

If they where only male they would have say that, because when some unit is only male/female, GW makes it clear, because is part of his character.

The fact that old Sucubi had female models (And Sucubi where one of the models that changed little in the remake of the range) also support the interpretation that theres female Incubi.

And male Succubus. Because as others have said, the names are not really the Eldar names, just like all the Tyranid names are the Imperial terms they have to describe those lifeforms.

So much rubbish in this thread.

Almost the entirety of fluff for Incubi covers them being highly skilled, vicious killers. Basically Striking Scorpions that have gone off the deep end. There is virtually no fluff to determine whether it's a gender specific role or not but given the nature of the Incubi Shrines I doubt it.

What there is is a short story from Gav Thorpe tying in with his Path of the Eldar books describing how the Incubus-come-Striking Scorpion character got there and it involves a fight between a Female Klaivex and a challenger for her position.

Also, since 5th ed the fluff for Wyches has had them mostly female because that gender can achieve a higher degree of agility than males but it's not universal and some males can keep up with them. However, theyre still not a match for the best female Wyches and tend to be kept around as much for "breeding stock" as anything else.


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 Galas wrote:
Yeah I wouldn't take the fact that they use male pronous as gospel.

If they where only male they would have say that, because when some unit is only male/female, GW makes it clear, because is part of his character.

The fact that old Sucubi had female models (And Sucubi where one of the models that changed little in the remake of the range) also support the interpretation that theres female Incubi.

And male Succubus. Because as others have said, the names are not really the Eldar names, just like all the Tyranid names are the Imperial terms they have to describe those lifeforms.

If you want to be specifc, the term Succubus wasn't actually used until 5th ed, in 3rd you had Dark Eldar Lord (Archon and Dracon) and Dark Eldar Wych Lord (Wych Archite, Wych Dracite).

 Imateria wrote:
So much rubbish in this thread.

Almost the entirety of fluff for Incubi covers them being highly skilled, vicious killers. Basically Striking Scorpions that have gone off the deep end. There is virtually no fluff to determine whether it's a gender specific role or not but given the nature of the Incubi Shrines I doubt it.

What there is is a short story from Gav Thorpe tying in with his Path of the Eldar books describing how the Incubus-come-Striking Scorpion character got there and it involves a fight between a Female Klaivex and a challenger for her position.

Also, since 5th ed the fluff for Wyches has had them mostly female because that gender can achieve a higher degree of agility than males but it's not universal and some males can keep up with them. However, theyre still not a match for the best female Wyches and tend to be kept around as much for "breeding stock" as anything else.


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 Galas wrote:
Yeah I wouldn't take the fact that they use male pronous as gospel.

If they where only male they would have say that, because when some unit is only male/female, GW makes it clear, because is part of his character.

The fact that old Sucubi had female models (And Sucubi where one of the models that changed little in the remake of the range) also support the interpretation that theres female Incubi.

And male Succubus. Because as others have said, the names are not really the Eldar names, just like all the Tyranid names are the Imperial terms they have to describe those lifeforms.

If you want to be specifc, the term Succubus wasn't actually used until 5th ed, in 3rd you had Dark Eldar Lord (Archon and Dracon) and Dark Eldar Wych Lord (Wych Archite, Wych Dracite).

Then you didnt read much of the fluff, ALL incubi lore always talks about "Him, his, he" and never once says "them, their her, she" etc...

Edit: Remember DE 3rd and 5th are 2 different from each other, if GW Recon some of the lore then its changed, if you want female models so be it, but dont go saying its part of the fluff b.c it isnt.

 Imateria wrote:

If you want to be specifc, the term Succubus wasn't actually used until 5th ed, in 3rd you had Dark Eldar Lord (Archon and Dracon) and Dark Eldar Wych Lord (Wych Archite, Wych Dracite).

I'm pretty sure the Succubus was the leader of Wych squads in the 3rd edition codex.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
So much rubbish in this thread.

Almost the entirety of fluff for Incubi covers them being highly skilled, vicious killers. Basically Striking Scorpions that have gone off the deep end. There is virtually no fluff to determine whether it's a gender specific role or not but given the nature of the Incubi Shrines I doubt it.

What there is is a short story from Gav Thorpe tying in with his Path of the Eldar books describing how the Incubus-come-Striking Scorpion character got there and it involves a fight between a Female Klaivex and a challenger for her position.

Also, since 5th ed the fluff for Wyches has had them mostly female because that gender can achieve a higher degree of agility than males but it's not universal and some males can keep up with them. However, theyre still not a match for the best female Wyches and tend to be kept around as much for "breeding stock" as anything else.


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 Galas wrote:
Yeah I wouldn't take the fact that they use male pronous as gospel.

If they where only male they would have say that, because when some unit is only male/female, GW makes it clear, because is part of his character.

The fact that old Sucubi had female models (And Sucubi where one of the models that changed little in the remake of the range) also support the interpretation that theres female Incubi.

And male Succubus. Because as others have said, the names are not really the Eldar names, just like all the Tyranid names are the Imperial terms they have to describe those lifeforms.

If you want to be specifc, the term Succubus wasn't actually used until 5th ed, in 3rd you had Dark Eldar Lord (Archon and Dracon) and Dark Eldar Wych Lord (Wych Archite, Wych Dracite).

Then you didnt read much of the fluff, ALL incubi lore always talks about "Him, his, he" and never once says "them, their her, she" etc...

Edit: Remember DE 3rd and 5th are 2 different from each other, if GW Recon some of the lore then its changed, if you want female models so be it, but dont go saying its part of the fluff b.c it isnt.

And as has already been said, at no point does the lore specifically state that all Incubi are male. It's the same way that Howlign Banshees are refered to as "she", but we know their are some male Howling Banshees.

The change between 3rd and 5th doesn't matter, we had boobs on 3rd ed models and stories with female Incubi in 5th, so maybe you should be the one paying mroe attention.


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 simonr1978 wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

If you want to be specifc, the term Succubus wasn't actually used until 5th ed, in 3rd you had Dark Eldar Lord (Archon and Dracon) and Dark Eldar Wych Lord (Wych Archite, Wych Dracite).

I'm pretty sure the Succubus was the leader of Wych squads in the 3rd edition codex.

I just double checked, I'd forgotten about that.

 Galas wrote:
Yeah I wouldn't take the fact that they use male pronous as gospel.

If they where only male they would have say that, because when some unit is only male/female, GW makes it clear, because is part of his character.

The fact that old Sucubi had female models (And Sucubi where one of the models that changed little in the remake of the range) also support the interpretation that theres female Incubi.

And male Succubus. Because as others have said, the names are not really the Eldar names, just like all the Tyranid names are the Imperial terms they have to describe those lifeforms.

but if thats tbhe case would the IoM develop names specificly with male and female connotations if they where mixed gender? (just to play devil's advocate)

How is this garbage still going after it was answered on the first page? Incubus is the male version of succubus. Succubus is the female version of incubus. Glad we got that cleared up. Until next time, when somebody asks “but why aren’t there any female feculent gnarlmaws?!”

GW using male pronouns doesn't imply anything. Take a look at the 8th edition Astra Militarum codex. It uses male pronouns exclusively, yet there is artwork of female guardsmen in there (and then the Astra Militarum section in the Kill Team rulebook explicitly refers to them as "men and women"). GW is just very inconsistent with pronoun use. You can't read anything into it.

And as has already been said, at no point does the lore specifically state that all Incubi are male. It's the same way that Howlign Banshees are refered to as "she", but we know their are some male Howling Banshees.

how do male eldar or male eldar aspect warriors react to those male howling banshees?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
How is this garbage still going after it was answered on the first page? Incubus is the male version of succubus. Succubus is the female version of incubus. Glad we got that cleared up. Until next time, when somebody asks “but why aren’t there any female feculent gnarlmaws?!”

Or you could try and understand that we're not talking about demons and instead units within the Drukhari.


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Karol wrote:

And as has already been said, at no point does the lore specifically state that all Incubi are male. It's the same way that Howlign Banshees are refered to as "she", but we know their are some male Howling Banshees.

how do male eldar or male eldar aspect warriors react to those male howling banshees?

With the same respect as you give anyone capable of disembowling you in an instant.

Given that them being mono-gendered isn't actually at all important to their identity within the universe and faction, I would assume that Incubi can be male and female.

The idea that "in myths incubi are male!" simply doesn't hold up. Rhinos are mammals, not tanks. Crones aren't old ugly women. A Rhino Primaris isn't a mammal that's been given over to Cawl, nor is it even a tank that Primaris Marines can ride in.
It's a concept name, and nothing from that concept seems to have defined it's gender roles.

As mentioned earlier, male pronouns are used often in factions which we KNOW are multi-gender (Astra Militarum), so I wouldn't lean too strongly on this.

Frankly, the only three factions (or groups of factions) which I can 100% say are mono-gendered are Sisters of Battle, Space Marines (all types) and Sisters of Silence. Even Custodes I personally feel *could* have female aspirants, but that might just be my personal headcanon.

 Imateria wrote:


With the same respect as you give anyone capable of disembowling you in an instant.

yeah, but the aspect houses don't like each other. Some even dislike each other a lot. Is there some interaction between male banshees and other aspect warriors in the gav thorpe books?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Given that them being mono-gendered isn't actually at all important to their identity within the universe and faction, I would assume that Incubi can be male and female.

The idea that "in myths incubi are male!" simply doesn't hold up. Rhinos are mammals, not tanks. Crones aren't old ugly women. A Rhino Primaris isn't a mammal that's been given over to Cawl, nor is it even a tank that Primaris Marines can ride in.
It's a concept name, and nothing from that concept seems to have defined it's gender roles.

As mentioned earlier, male pronouns are used often in factions which we KNOW are multi-gender (Astra Militarum), so I wouldn't lean too strongly on this.

Frankly, the only three factions (or groups of factions) which I can 100% say are mono-gendered are Sisters of Battle, Space Marines (all types) and Sisters of Silence. Even Custodes I personally feel *could* have female aspirants, but that might just be my personal headcanon.

This might blow your mind, but maybe the Dark Eldar don't get women to do that job, or do care about keeping the title gender accurate.

 SHUPPET wrote:
This might blow your mind, but maybe the Dark Eldar don't get women to do that job

Dark Eldars don't get anyone to do that job, really. Noone except the future Incubi wants them to become an incubi. And really, other Dark Eldars would rather the aspirant got tortured in very very cruel and painful way. They are usually saddened about the whole "aspirant not dying" thingy. But pretty happy about the whole "previous incubi being killed" thingy.

 SHUPPET wrote:
or do care about keeping the title gender accurate.

Well, I'm sure Dark Eldars are very keen on respecting christian mythology, they seem like the type...

Alternatively, the role is showcased as male. There could be female Incubi, but perhaps so few that the armour is always made male. Despite Aeldari armour typically being obviously male or female (boob armour), the frame of an Aeldari body can be fairly ambiguous.
A female can easily wear a male's armour and vice-versa.
I believe I read fluff once that Howling Banshees do have males, but as the ROLE of Banshees is of a female wailing spirit, even males where the boob armour.

Also remember that many of the Aeldari rituals and cultural traditions are deeply rooted in their ancient mythic past. Even their language uses metaphors from myths of long ago.
So it would hardly be unusual for a female Incubus to wear male armour or for a male Banshee to have boob armour.
Because those roles are traditionally that in the Aeldari myths.

Succubi, however, I think are indeed actually all female. But I think this has more to do with male Wyches typically being lower ranked and/or often becoming Beast Masters or Reavers. It would be extremely unusual for a male Wych to gain enough favor and power to become a leader of other Wyches.
It'd basically be suicide for the male Wych as other Wyches would be aiming to stab him in the back and "put him in his place"
Female Aeldari, it seems, are more acrobatic, which is another reason why Wyches and Banshees are predominantly female.

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Karol wrote:

 Imateria wrote:


With the same respect as you give anyone capable of disembowling you in an instant.

yeah, but the aspect houses don't like each other. Some even dislike each other a lot. Is there some interaction between male banshees and other aspect warriors in the gav thorpe books?

No, the only aspects with any character interactions in the books are Striking Scorpions (the main character of the first book) and Dark Reapers (a couple of his friends are in a DR Shrine), all other Aspects are mentioned as taking part in battles but there's no real interactions with any of them.

I would imagine any conflict between Aspect Shrines is on a purely indavidual level and nothing to do with the Aspects as a whole. Given how different the Craftworlds are from each other to begin with and how this can affect the Shrines it makes no sense whole Aspects to be against each other, especially when each indavidual shrine tends to be rather solitary to begin with.

Considering the kind of surgeries and stuff Drukhari are willing to go through, like getting wings and whatnot, I suspect specific sex may be elective as well.

 Nurglitch wrote:
Considering the kind of surgeries and stuff Drukhari are willing to go through, like getting wings and whatnot, I suspect specific sex may be elective as well.

LOL, never thought of this,.. yeah most likely, given they live insanely long lives as well (as the 40k universe goes) they could flip back and forth

 SHUPPET wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Given that them being mono-gendered isn't actually at all important to their identity within the universe and faction, I would assume that Incubi can be male and female.

The idea that "in myths incubi are male!" simply doesn't hold up. Rhinos are mammals, not tanks. Crones aren't old ugly women. A Rhino Primaris isn't a mammal that's been given over to Cawl, nor is it even a tank that Primaris Marines can ride in.
It's a concept name, and nothing from that concept seems to have defined it's gender roles.

As mentioned earlier, male pronouns are used often in factions which we KNOW are multi-gender (Astra Militarum), so I wouldn't lean too strongly on this.

Frankly, the only three factions (or groups of factions) which I can 100% say are mono-gendered are Sisters of Battle, Space Marines (all types) and Sisters of Silence. Even Custodes I personally feel *could* have female aspirants, but that might just be my personal headcanon.

This might blow your mind, but maybe the Dark Eldar don't get women to do that job, or do care about keeping the title gender accurate.

This might blow your mind, but they really don't. Drukhari join the Incubi because all they ever want to do is rend others limb from limb, and all that matters when joining is that you can survive the training and trials. As for the title, do you remotely believe that "Incubi", a male sex demon from Christian demonology (and specifically not Daemonology) is what they are called in their own language?

 Imateria wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Given that them being mono-gendered isn't actually at all important to their identity within the universe and faction, I would assume that Incubi can be male and female.

The idea that "in myths incubi are male!" simply doesn't hold up. Rhinos are mammals, not tanks. Crones aren't old ugly women. A Rhino Primaris isn't a mammal that's been given over to Cawl, nor is it even a tank that Primaris Marines can ride in.
It's a concept name, and nothing from that concept seems to have defined it's gender roles.

As mentioned earlier, male pronouns are used often in factions which we KNOW are multi-gender (Astra Militarum), so I wouldn't lean too strongly on this.

Frankly, the only three factions (or groups of factions) which I can 100% say are mono-gendered are Sisters of Battle, Space Marines (all types) and Sisters of Silence. Even Custodes I personally feel *could* have female aspirants, but that might just be my personal headcanon.

This might blow your mind, but maybe the Dark Eldar don't get women to do that job, or do care about keeping the title gender accurate.

This might blow your mind, but they really don't. Dark Eldar join the Incubi because all they ever want to do is rend others limb from limb, and all that matters when joining is that you can survive the training and trials. As for the title, do you remotely believe that "Incubi", a male sex demon from Christian demonology (and specifically not Daemonology) is what they are called in their own language?

Their real name is probably long and dramatic....

 Imateria wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Given that them being mono-gendered isn't actually at all important to their identity within the universe and faction, I would assume that Incubi can be male and female.

The idea that "in myths incubi are male!" simply doesn't hold up. Rhinos are mammals, not tanks. Crones aren't old ugly women. A Rhino Primaris isn't a mammal that's been given over to Cawl, nor is it even a tank that Primaris Marines can ride in.
It's a concept name, and nothing from that concept seems to have defined it's gender roles.

As mentioned earlier, male pronouns are used often in factions which we KNOW are multi-gender (Astra Militarum), so I wouldn't lean too strongly on this.

Frankly, the only three factions (or groups of factions) which I can 100% say are mono-gendered are Sisters of Battle, Space Marines (all types) and Sisters of Silence. Even Custodes I personally feel *could* have female aspirants, but that might just be my personal headcanon.

This might blow your mind, but maybe the Dark Eldar don't get women to do that job, or do care about keeping the title gender accurate.

This might blow your mind, but they really don't. Drukhari join the Incubi because all they ever want to do is rend others limb from limb, and all that matters when joining is that you can survive the training and trials. As for the title, do you remotely believe that "Incubi", a male sex demon from Christian demonology (and specifically not Daemonology) is what they are called in their own language?

Isn't this entire thread because they DO though? If they don't, then what are you complaining about?

Do you have any quotes where they do reference what we call Incubi as "Incubi"?

I'm not familiar with any audio recordings of the Eldar language. It's possible there are some forms of written, but showing that the pronunciation of the written form actually sounds out 'Incubi' would be weird.

Do Germans call themselves German? Not even close. Tyranid Crones call themselves Crones, specifically as a reference to the English language? I highly doubt it.

Did ancient proto-Japanese raiding parties call their individual members 'raiders'? I would be incredibly surprised.

What makes you think DE call the murder aspect 'Incubi'? Even if the sounds matched somehow, why would it mean the same thing? And assuming that it meant the same thing, why would they be so attached to Christian folklore as to tell some girl who just murdered a former Incubi "Nope, back to the arena with you, you're not allowed to become a murderer?" I just don't see that being true.

Look at witch/warlock. Witch is a term used to describe a psyker. It's used to describe Warlocks or Farseers - male or female - regularly. In human folklore, Witch is purely female, but there are many instances of male Eldar psykers being called witches. Warlock is a term used to describe a type of Eldar witch who takes part in combat. Specifically, it's the type of Eldar on the Path of the Seer (and not lost on it) who's previously walked a Path of Khaine. There have been female Eldar warlocks, clearly.

Do you belive the Eldar call their psykers 'witches', and some of their seers 'warlocks', in the literal sense? As in, that's the actual sound they emit when it is rendered audiably? Even if so, why would Incubi be so bound by a much more obscure folklore but not their Craftworlder counterparts?

 SHUPPET wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Given that them being mono-gendered isn't actually at all important to their identity within the universe and faction, I would assume that Incubi can be male and female.

The idea that "in myths incubi are male!" simply doesn't hold up. Rhinos are mammals, not tanks. Crones aren't old ugly women. A Rhino Primaris isn't a mammal that's been given over to Cawl, nor is it even a tank that Primaris Marines can ride in.
It's a concept name, and nothing from that concept seems to have defined it's gender roles.

As mentioned earlier, male pronouns are used often in factions which we KNOW are multi-gender (Astra Militarum), so I wouldn't lean too strongly on this.

Frankly, the only three factions (or groups of factions) which I can 100% say are mono-gendered are Sisters of Battle, Space Marines (all types) and Sisters of Silence. Even Custodes I personally feel *could* have female aspirants, but that might just be my personal headcanon.

This might blow your mind, but maybe the Dark Eldar don't get women to do that job, or do care about keeping the title gender accurate.

This might blow your mind, but they really don't. Drukhari join the Incubi because all they ever want to do is rend others limb from limb, and all that matters when joining is that you can survive the training and trials. As for the title, do you remotely believe that "Incubi", a male sex demon from Christian demonology (and specifically not Daemonology) is what they are called in their own language?

Isn't this entire thread because they DO though? If they don't, then what are you complaining about?

This entire thread is because a lot of people don't know much about DE fluff and are making assumptions because of it.

SHUPPET wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Given that them being mono-gendered isn't actually at all important to their identity within the universe and faction, I would assume that Incubi can be male and female.

The idea that "in myths incubi are male!" simply doesn't hold up. Rhinos are mammals, not tanks. Crones aren't old ugly women. A Rhino Primaris isn't a mammal that's been given over to Cawl, nor is it even a tank that Primaris Marines can ride in.
It's a concept name, and nothing from that concept seems to have defined it's gender roles.

As mentioned earlier, male pronouns are used often in factions which we KNOW are multi-gender (Astra Militarum), so I wouldn't lean too strongly on this.

Frankly, the only three factions (or groups of factions) which I can 100% say are mono-gendered are Sisters of Battle, Space Marines (all types) and Sisters of Silence. Even Custodes I personally feel *could* have female aspirants, but that might just be my personal headcanon.

This might blow your mind, but maybe the Dark Eldar don't get women to do that job,

Do Dark Eldar seem like the kind of race and society to limit things based on gender? Are there any reasons why they would have that limitation?

At least with the Imperial examples, it's a political/legal reason, or a "scientific" one, but this one makes no sense. The only argument you seem to be standing on is "Incubi is a male term". As I've said, it's also a human Christian one, which the Dark Eldar most certainly are not, and furthermore, other names of things in 40k are not the same as their mythological counterparts. A Manticore is not very similar at all to the mythological Manticore. Nor is the Basilisk, or the Crone, or the Chimera.

Why would the Incubi be different?

or do care about keeping the title gender accurate.

The title which, as said earlier, is a human Christian mythical creature, which the Dark Eldar have no link to, other than the name sounding cool, and is most likely the human term for an otherwise extremely long and/or complicated Eldar name?

To throw a wrinkle into this conversation: do we actually know Incubi is a human term? Could it be an Eldar term that was introduced to mankind long ago?

That'd be more interaction than is currently evidenced elsewhere, but it's certainly possible.

If that *were* the case, it's still not definitive that Incubi meant the same thing for Eldar as it did for mankind (modern languages are full of words pulled from other languages but with other definitions). Further, Incubi at the time it would have been pulled into human mythology would not have meant the Incubi that exist 'today'. DE didn't exist yet. The modern DE 'Incubi' were nowhere close to existing yet. So we'd have two terms with related parantage. That makes it very likely that the specifics would be very different.

Essentially, we can at least assume that, according to probability, our definition and use of the term "Incubi" or "Incubus" is not the same as the Dark Eldar's.

 Overread wrote:
Meanwhile Daughters of Khaine only keep their males as weak servants and for menial duties in their society; only the very few become gifted enough to rise to the ranks of a Doomfire Warlock (the only male in their current army line up) and even they have to drink a potion that lets Morathi kill them with a whim if she thinks they are a threat (then again she does that with the females too - anything that's at threat dies)

DoK aren't 40k but it's worth noting that unlike other examples cited in this thread the DoK don't choose to exclude men from an abundance of capable candidates. Morathi literally sorts their souls and keeps the males in minority and physically hobbled. The reason the Doomfire Warlocks get marked with a self-destruct rune is they've augmented themselves past the weaknesses she's imposed on them and are therefore, by existing, have betrayed her to some degree.

Never have I thought that this would be a hill people choose to die on...

Here's the two outcomes:

Incubi are strictly male, everyone gets on with their lives and maybe there's a new plastic kit.

Incubi have females in the "aspect", everyone gets on with their lives and maybe there's a new plastic kit with some bewb plate

Part of the reason I stop posting on here is because most everything (other than general rules questions, lore and fun threads) has zero affect on the actual game. Layout precise math on why a unit sucks because other units in the same codex do the same job better and cheaper? Doesn't matter. Layout a hypothetical reason something doesn't make sense in the fluff? Doesn't matter.

Would pointing out that it has zero *effect*on the actual game, not affect be:
A) Completely missing the point
B) A demonstration of how some people (myself included) feel overly compelled to correct what they see as technical inaccuracies
C) A low-skill trolling attempt,
or
D) Funny.

I'm fairly sure it's B.

I agree that it doesn't matter. I'd go further and say that we're talking about a hobby where we make little plastic army men and have them blow eachother up in our MINDS. No thread here should be super important. Some of us still enjoy it.

Perhaps the Dark Eldar are selectivity sexist, or shape the armour to the biology of males, or any number of things.


This is not the hill to die on guys loool

Do Dark Eldar seem like the kind of race and society to limit things based on gender? Are there any reasons why they would have that limitation?

Are you asking if a sociaty where the survival of your own soul depends on the suffering of others would stop a whole half of its population from aquiring some sort of a position, of which the knowladge would surely generate suffering in that part of the half of the population that maybe interesting in holding that position?
Those people go as far as making their children think they are are trueborn, only to at some moment in their life inform them that they are in fact vat grown, and all the memories of their achivments are implants.

The only thing that is in favor of males/females as X in the dark eldar sociaty is efficiency, and the assumption that both sexs can do the job. Against it we have suffering,own and of others, as the core of the dark eldar sociaty.

Witch is purely female,

not in slavic folklor.

would imagine any conflict between Aspect Shrines is on a purely indavidual level and nothing to do with the Aspects as a whole.

In Warrior Coven the green Farseer, sells the last shining spear exarch to the dark eldar, and she does it because she is an ex dark reaper and hates the light. She even goes as far as sacrificing here deatwatch ally, I know a minor thing for an eldar, and some farseers, which is in fact a huge deal.

Karol wrote:
not in slavic folklor.

It's an English word in an English game made by English people working in England and writing their game in English.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Karol wrote:
not in slavic folklor.

It's an English word in an English game made by English people working in England and writing their game in English.

Well, it wasn't purely female in English origin either.

"The word witch derives from the Old English nouns wicca Old English pronunciation: [ˈwɪttʃɑ] ('sorcerer, male witch') and wicce Old English pronunciation: [ˈwɪttʃe] ('sorceress, female witch'). The word's further origins in Proto-Germanic and Proto-Indo-European are unclear."

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Karol wrote:
not in slavic folklor.

It's an English word in an English game made by English people working in England and writing their game in English.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus

No horse in this race but this is an interesting read, given that the word is Latin it’s entirely possible our version comes from the German version as opposed to the classic one... don’t know though.

The reason there's probably no female incubi is because a incubus is literally a male demon. A female one is called a succubi

Call me crazy but I always preferred the look of the Metal Incubi and Wyches.

So, to summarize...

the thread starts with a question about incubi fluff referring to them as "he" only, and asking whether there is a fluff reason why there are no male incubi...

someone points out that female incubi models used to exist in the 3rd ed era models, but not the current models, of which there are exactly three sculpts which are essentially the same guy in different poses...

someone else points out a female incubi is mentioned in a novel somewhere, so the situation is probably identical to several of the aspect warrior squads, which are mixed gender but all wear the same design of power armor that embodies their "aspect", given the way Incubi mirror aspect warriors..

and somehow this is "SJW screeching" and someone has been called out as sexist by this discussion somehow?

IIIIIIIIIIIIII'm confused.

I think the confusion is from thinking there are no male incubi! (Minor technical mistake - the worst kind of mistake!)

You also missed all the posts, most probably just trolling, pointing out that the term in folklore is gender specific, and either applying that to DE incubi or intentially missing the distinction.

And of course all the follow-on discussion of terms which are gender-specific in folklore, and whether their application in 40k means what they're applied to becomes gender specific.

But aside from that, good summary.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Call me crazy but I always preferred the look of the Metal Incubi and Wyches.

Metal wyches are.... ugly.
Metal Incubi are different. They have a style, but its a bit... early edition DE and so ugly.

Tyel wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Call me crazy but I always preferred the look of the Metal Incubi and Wyches.

Metal wyches are.... ugly.
Metal Incubi are different. They have a style, but its a bit... early edition DE and so ugly.

They've just got such manly hat whandanglers, they must be all male even under the boob armor!

I'm sure BCB's theory is correct, and much like male gladiators, dark eldar incubi get so fat that they require boob plate armor to hold all the extra padding.

perfectly logical and conducive with all existing dark eldar lore, which never mentions female incubi except when it does and that doesn't count.

the_scotsman wrote:

Tyel wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Call me crazy but I always preferred the look of the Metal Incubi and Wyches.

Metal wyches are.... ugly.
Metal Incubi are different. They have a style, but its a bit... early edition DE and so ugly.

They've just got such manly hat whandanglers, they must be all male even under the boob armor!

I'm sure BCB's theory is correct, and much like male gladiators, dark eldar incubi get so fat that they require boob plate armor to hold all the extra padding.

perfectly logical and conducive with all existing dark eldar lore, which never mentions female incubi except when it does and that doesn't count.

And here's me thinking the laughs in this thread had ran dry, bloody excellent. I'd sig this but it sort of needs context to work