If true I could see it being forgebane style with new abberants for GSC and new primaris lieutenant for SW and upgrade sprue. Nothing else new. Local shop told me forgebane was becoming unavailable too. Looking at pic geusss you’d get dreadnought, intercessors and new character for space wolves at least.
Cataphract wrote: A possibility but Wolf Guard are considered Terminators or Veterans, options which aren’t available at least to normal Astartes in Kill Team
Mr Icepelt is probably just the guy sending the SW kill team out on its missions. There are several quotes from Inquisitors in the Kill Team rule book, even though you can't field Inquisitors, because they're often the ones sending out IG/SM/GK/DW kill teams.
The flavor text does not sound like it is setting the scene for kill team scale engagements. Maybe kill team releases will form part of this but the fluff seems to indicate that the Wolves are travelling to the sector in large numbers, with great motivations to do so. Having said that, I cant imagine them limiting their involvement here to small scale kill team raids and skirmishes.
buzzedaldrin wrote: The flavor text does not sound like it is setting the scene for kill team scale engagements. Maybe kill team releases will form part of this but the fluff seems to indicate that the Wolves are travelling to the sector in large numbers, with great motivations to do so. Having said that, I cant imagine them limiting their involvement here to small scale kill team raids and skirmishes.
A small killteam of SW would clear the planet easy.
Cataphract wrote: A possibility but Wolf Guard are considered Terminators or Veterans, options which aren’t available at least to normal Astartes in Kill Team
Mr Icepelt is probably just the guy sending the SW kill team out on its missions. There are several quotes from Inquisitors in the Kill Team rule book, even though you can't field Inquisitors, because they're often the ones sending out IG/SM/GK/DW kill teams.
a wolf guard battle leader is just what the space wolves will call their Leuitenants.
A. Space Wolf Codex
B. Genestealer Cult Codex
C. Kill Team Box Set
D. Forgebane-ish Box Set
E. Nothing, just some flavorful stuff that they decided to publish to torture us.
Either way, I'm excited to see what we get. The possibility of a power-axe-wielding Primaris excites me.
tneva82 wrote: Well we know next two codexes so b is false by default
My bet is it will be alongside the wolf codex and add a character model or two for them, then new units for the GSC as a pr3 iew for their codex, like the Armiger's in forgebane. It's also a handy way to use interest in the wolf book and army to prime people for the GSC later, while orks are popular enough to stand on their own.
tneva82 wrote: Well we know next two codexes so b is false by default
My bet is it will be alongside the wolf codex and add a character model or two for them, then new units for the GSC as a pr3 iew for their codex, like the Armiger's in forgebane. It's also a handy way to use interest in the wolf book and army to prime people for the GSC later, while orks are popular enough to stand on their own.
This was exactly my thinking. Genestealer Cult has gained a lot of interest in Kill Team because they're quite viable in it, but they are definitely one of the lesser factions in terms of popularity, despite being one of the newest plastic factions in 40k.
tneva82 wrote: Well we know next two codexes so b is false by default
My bet is it will be alongside the wolf codex and add a character model or two for them, then new units for the GSC as a pr3 iew for their codex, like the Armiger's in forgebane. It's also a handy way to use interest in the wolf book and army to prime people for the GSC later, while orks are popular enough to stand on their own.
I can't find the postings anymore, but didn't they flatout say that GSC were getting a release in advance of their book?
tneva82 wrote: Well we know next two codexes so b is false by default
My bet is it will be alongside the wolf codex and add a character model or two for them, then new units for the GSC as a pr3 iew for their codex, like the Armiger's in forgebane. It's also a handy way to use interest in the wolf book and army to prime people for the GSC later, while orks are popular enough to stand on their own.
I can't find the postings anymore, but didn't they flatout say that GSC were getting a release in advance of their book?
Aye, Kan - at the UK Games Expo GW Seminar, they previewed that GSC dude with the sign post as a weapon, and specifically said that he would be out in advance of the Codex, as they weren't announcing the GSC Codex in that seminar (but were announcing SW & Orks).
Given the usual GW approach is not to preview more than 3 months in advance, though, they are running out of options on when to release those two books - I was expecting them both by Sept 1, and I doubt we'll see either out on the same weekend as Titanicus...
I won't lie, I just hope there are some Primaris Space Wolves heads that don't look completely weird.
I'm really, really going all-out with my Deathwatch Kill-Team's Primaris Marines- to the extent that I'm making a 'standard with helmet' look, and a 'later in campaign, no helmet and battle damage' look.
So yeah, that's two models for every Specialist but whatever, it's cinematic and cool.
Asherian Command wrote: If this means my wolf primaris can finally all wield regular bolters and chainswords. I am all for it.
I sincerly doubt that'll be the case. as awesome as it'd be to have a "grey hunter interceptor equivilant" I expect space wolf primaris Marines will have minimal differance from vanillla primaris
tneva82 wrote: Well we know next two codexes so b is false by default
My bet is it will be alongside the wolf codex and add a character model or two for them, then new units for the GSC as a pr3 iew for their codex, like the Armiger's in forgebane. It's also a handy way to use interest in the wolf book and army to prime people for the GSC later, while orks are popular enough to stand on their own.
I can't find the postings anymore, but didn't they flatout say that GSC were getting a release in advance of their book?
Aye, Kan - at the UK Games Expo GW Seminar, they previewed that GSC dude with the sign post as a weapon, and specifically said that he would be out in advance of the Codex, as they weren't announcing the GSC Codex in that seminar (but were announcing SW & Orks).
Given the usual GW approach is not to preview more than 3 months in advance, though, they are running out of options on when to release those two books - I was expecting them both by Sept 1, and I doubt we'll see either out on the same weekend as Titanicus...
^This! Btw. Lady Atia Said, Review on SW 'dex on the 18th, so that marks the pre-order date. Another thing to consider, next week is WHFest Europe, GW probably wants to have clean palte going into the next round of previews, shown there on the 18th.
Looking at pic geusss you’d get dreadnought, intercessors and new character for space wolves at least.
That is the Primaris Dread too.
I sincerly doubt that'll be the case. as awesome as it'd be to have a "grey hunter interceptor equivilant" I expect space wolf primaris Marines will have minimal differance from vanillla primaris.
If they are not Long Fangs, and don't have the option for a Chainsword (or better) they are not Space Wolves.
Looking at pic geusss you’d get dreadnought, intercessors and new character for space wolves at least.
That is the Primaris Dread too.
I sincerly doubt that'll be the case. as awesome as it'd be to have a "grey hunter interceptor equivilant" I expect space wolf primaris Marines will have minimal differance from vanillla primaris.
If they are not Long Fangs, and don't have the option for a Chainsword (or better) they are not Space Wolves.
Well technically there cannot be Long Fang Primaris or any fangs really as Cawl fixed the flaw. Also I would guess this could be a case of careful what you wish for as I could see that this could be the 1st all Primaris codex after what's left of the original chapter got BLAMMED for being mutants and heretics.
^This! Btw. Lady Atia Said, Review on SW 'dex on the 18th, so that marks the pre-order date. Another thing to consider, next week is WHFest Europe, GW probably wants to have clean palte going into the next round of previews, shown there on the 18th.
She said a review on the 18th. No mention of what that review was for. A SW codex is certainly possible but not confirmed.
Looking at pic geusss you’d get dreadnought, intercessors and new character for space wolves at least.
That is the Primaris Dread too.
I sincerly doubt that'll be the case. as awesome as it'd be to have a "grey hunter interceptor equivilant" I expect space wolf primaris Marines will have minimal differance from vanillla primaris.
If they are not Long Fangs, and don't have the option for a Chainsword (or better) they are not Space Wolves.
Well technically there cannot be Long Fang Primaris or any fangs really as Cawl fixed the flaw. Also I would guess this could be a case of careful what you wish for as I could see that this could be the 1st all Primaris codex after what's left of the original chapter got BLAMMED for being mutants and heretics.
.. why? the space wolves geneseed is hardly THAT degenerate. I imagine ahrd questions might be asked about the wulfen but they're not gonna exterminate a first founding chapter.
Adeptus Doritos wrote: I won't lie, I just hope there are some Primaris Space Wolves heads that don't look completely weird.
I'm really, really going all-out with my Deathwatch Kill-Team's Primaris Marines- to the extent that I'm making a 'standard with helmet' look, and a 'later in campaign, no helmet and battle damage' look.
So yeah, that's two models for every Specialist but whatever, it's cinematic and cool.
Nice thats a good idea! Im not doing KT (for now), but my approach to Primaris SW was that all of them have helmets, the simplicity of the armour reminds me of starwars clones. Also going for the clean no battle damage look. But yes most SW heads are plain silly and would be nice if they take this chance to do something less weird.
Also if they put to much bling bling on the kits, which is something I do avoid on Primaris, I will stick with the current vanilla kits.
Adeptus Doritos wrote: I won't lie, I just hope there are some Primaris Space Wolves heads that don't look completely weird.
I'm really, really going all-out with my Deathwatch Kill-Team's Primaris Marines- to the extent that I'm making a 'standard with helmet' look, and a 'later in campaign, no helmet and battle damage' look.
So yeah, that's two models for every Specialist but whatever, it's cinematic and cool.
Nice thats a good idea! Im not doing KT (for now), but my approach to Primaris SW was that all of them have helmets, the simplicity of the armour reminds me of starwars clones. Also going for the clean no battle damage look. But yes most SW heads are plain silly and would be nice if they take this chance to do something less weird.
Also if they put to much bling bling on the kits, which is something I do avoid on Primaris, I will stick with the current vanilla kits.
yeah I never did it but for my blood ravens my inital plan was to run a mixed old marine/Primaris force and weather the old marines armor to hell and back and make the Primaris armor absolutely pristine.
Looking at pic geusss you’d get dreadnought, intercessors and new character for space wolves at least.
That is the Primaris Dread too.
I sincerly doubt that'll be the case. as awesome as it'd be to have a "grey hunter interceptor equivilant" I expect space wolf primaris Marines will have minimal differance from vanillla primaris.
If they are not Long Fangs, and don't have the option for a Chainsword (or better) they are not Space Wolves.
Well technically there cannot be Long Fang Primaris or any fangs really as Cawl fixed the flaw. Also I would guess this could be a case of careful what you wish for as I could see that this could be the 1st all Primaris codex after what's left of the original chapter got BLAMMED for being mutants and heretics.
.. why? the space wolves geneseed is hardly THAT degenerate. I imagine ahrd questions might be asked about the wulfen but they're not gonna exterminate a first founding chapter.
Only read it once but the last fluff when Magnus returned had the chapter massively depleted by combat and then Magnus spell that returned his planet to realspace also triggered the wulfen curse in all but the strongest willed space wolf. I think it mentions in one great company there was 5-7 non doggies left and they got killed completing there mission. Also a lot of wolves went full puppy right in the middle of the Dark Angels, Grey Knights and inquisition fleets among other witnesses.
Only read it once but the last fluff when Magnus returned had the chapter massively depleted by combat and then Magnus spell that returned his planet to realspace also triggered the wulfen curse in all but the strongest willed space wolf. I think it mentions in one great company there was 5-7 non doggies left and they got killed completing there mission. Also a lot of wolves went full puppy right in the middle of the Dark Angels, Grey Knights and inquisition fleets among other witnesses.
I think you might be miss-remembering things. Much like all the people who remember Fenris was destroyed. Should pay more attention. A lot of what you just said is blatantly wrong. Both Svellgard and Fenris the Planet were re-settled by survivors from the Siege. The Space Wolves, Dark Angels and Grey Knights all took 'massive casualties'. But like every GW story these numbers are all extremely vague and they soldier on, much reduced but somehow always having enough. On top of that Post Siege of Fenris the SW recovered the Entire Heresy Era 13th Great Company. Stormbirds, Sicarins, Spartans, Fellblades and all. Which is probably greater in size than the SWChapter was before the Siege.
From a sales standpoint I cannot see GW changing the SW overly much. Since 2nd edition they have been the second best selling marines behind Generic. Sure most if not all new kits will be Primaris. But that is because Primaris are the new poster boys. Personally I'm hoping for Intercessors with a free Chainsword upgrade, With a leader who has complete access to the normal set of Pack Leader weapons. Its not over the top, it lets them make a new upgrade kit, Since the current one works just fine for Primaris. The standard LT Primaris model that every other release got. And if we are lucky a new Ragnar (probably primarisized because as stupid as it sounds that is a thing).
keep in mind they got back the remnaints of the 13th company it sounds like a LOT of them died, fell to the wulfen curse or just dissappered. I suspect conveniantly the space wolves got back a decent sized force just big eneugh to reinstate the 13th company to their active duty list
BrianDavion wrote: keep in mind they got back the remnaints of the 13th company it sounds like a LOT of them died, fell to the wulfen curse or just dissappered. I suspect conveniantly the space wolves got back a decent sized force just big eneugh to reinstate the 13th company to their active duty list
That said heresy era great armies were in the thousands, 13th was one of the smaller because it was made up of the fenrisians who helped russ conquer the other tribes.
But even with the 600ish wulfen they collected and several hundred heresy era vlka the space wolves should be way over codex numbers even with the losses suffered during magnuses attack.
BrianDavion wrote: keep in mind they got back the remnaints of the 13th company it sounds like a LOT of them died, fell to the wulfen curse or just dissappered. I suspect conveniantly the space wolves got back a decent sized force just big eneugh to reinstate the 13th company to their active duty list
That said heresy era great armies were in the thousands, 13th was one of the smaller because it was made up of the fenrisians who helped russ conquer the other tribes.
But even with the 600ish wulfen they collected and several hundred heresy era vlka the space wolves should be way over codex numbers even with the losses suffered during magnuses attack.
Are those numbers actually in the novels (or whatever the source if any) or is that just a fanspank wild guess? I'd be surprised if GW committed to giving a number as opposed to just some wordy flourish if anything.
Well, It is not a good sign that the new units mentioned were HH style terminators and Wulfen dread. These are all existing kits (Wulfen dread is most likely just generic version of Murderclaw.)
aracersss wrote: that's it ... no primaris jetbikes/bikes/gak anything ... that's IT!
Look at the article - there's more to come. "Wulfen Dreadnoughts" are referenced, and that hellblaster looks like he's got Wolf upgrades.
Somebody please tell me the article is faked. PLEASE.
If the BA can have Death company Dreads why not a Wulfen one for the SW? It just means that the pilot(or what's left of him) has started to wolf out in his sarcophagus.
Oh and it looks like the SW Intercessor pack leader gets a chainsword on there upgrade sprue.
Well, It is not a good sign that the new units mentioned were HH style terminators and Wulfen dread. These are all existing kits (Wulfen dread is most likely just generic version of Murderclaw.)
Agreed! On top of that Wulfen dreads make zero sense from a fluff standpoint. Sigh, why can't GW hire someone who has a clue why people like certain factions. SW were coolest when they were space Vikings, and the mark of the wulfen meant just Viking Berserkers not full fledged were-wolves.
So the best we can expect right now is Primaris boxed with new SW upgrade sprue and Tataros/Cataphractii boxed with new SW upgrade sprue? Bleh. Well I'll probably pick up pony tail guy when he his the bits market if he's cheap. He'll look decent without the pony tail.
Alos I don't see the gunslinger Genestealer Hybrid guy. So this box is full of dissappointment.
The Lieutenant equivalent looks nice (unlike the BA one) but... is he wielding a normal bolter? It doesn't look long enough to be a bolt rifle equivalent but might be the Reiver Assault 2 version that resembles a normal bolter.
aracersss wrote: that's it ... no primaris jetbikes/bikes/gak anything ... that's IT!
Look at the article - there's more to come. "Wulfen Dreadnoughts" are referenced, and that hellblaster looks like he's got Wolf upgrades.
Somebody please tell me the article is faked. PLEASE.
If the BA can have Death company Dreads why not a Wulfen one for the SW? It just means that the pilot(or what's left of him) has started to wolf out in his sarcophagus.
Oh and it looks like the SW Intercessor pack leader gets a chainsword on there upgrade sprue.
Putting some crazy and barely controllable inside a giant war machine is incredibly stupid. There's not really a reason that someone with poor enough self control they succumb that fast would be put into a Dreadnought. BA I can live with because it's different for them but this is just GW taking the dumbass crap that ruins SW and making more.
It's pretty sad that Wolves have turned from my favourite faction to something I want nothing to do with.
The Lieutenant equivalent looks nice (unlike the BA one) but... is he wielding a normal bolter? It doesn't look long enough to be a bolt rifle equivalent but might be the Reiver Assault 2 version that resembles a normal bolter.
Yeah, I was wondering about the bolter too. It is a new design.
The Lieutenant equivalent looks nice (unlike the BA one) but... is he wielding a normal bolter? It doesn't look long enough to be a bolt rifle equivalent but might be the Reiver Assault 2 version that resembles a normal bolter.
I think all of the Lieutenants have been a bit 'off' when it comes to weapons. I don't know if it's to make things look customized or what, but there's definitely a bit of interesting going on there.
So the best we can expect right now is Primaris boxed with new SW upgrade sprue and Tataros/Cataphractii boxed with new SW upgrade sprue? Bleh. Well I'll probably pick up pony tail guy when he his the bits market if he's cheap. He'll look decent without the pony tail.
It looks like the SW are getting pretty much the same "additions" that the BA and DA got. So I wouldn't hold your breath for Tartaros or Cataphractii specific upgrades.
So, i had to pause that Tooth and Claw video in the article as i was reading the article at the same time... Had a massive "WTF?!?" moment when i read "Wulfen Dreadnought".
I'm curious as to how they are going to try and spin this. A Death Company Dreadnought i can understand, as i presume the mind of the Marine inside falls to the Rage, but, i didn't think a standard marine inside of a dreadnought could succumb to the Wulfen curse? And i'd be raising an eyebrow if they put an already turned Wulfen into a Dreadnought...
Kdash wrote: So, i had to pause that Tooth and Claw video in the article as i was reading the article at the same time... Had a massive "WTF?!?" moment when i read "Wulfen Dreadnought".
I'm curious as to how they are going to try and spin this. A Death Company Dreadnought i can understand, as i presume the mind of the Marine inside falls to the Rage, but, i didn't think a standard marine inside of a dreadnought could succumb to the Wulfen curse? And i'd be raising an eyebrow if they put an already turned Wulfen into a Dreadnought...
edit- it double posted for some reason.
Not necessarily the only way to do it, but they had that episode where a TS sorcerers tried to turn all Space Wolves into Wulfen through some sorcery shenanigans and was stopped by Blackmane (but not before some did turn Wulfen, possibly including some Dreads).
In Tooth and Claw, the Space Wolves – now reinforced by the Primaris Space Marines – descend upon Vigilus to crush the insidious Genestealer Cults. This is no mere uprising – positioned in one of the only relatively stable channels between each half of the galaxy, Vigilus is both the gateway to the beleaguered “Imperium Nihilus” and a citadel against the Black Legion, Orks and all manner of threats from without. Should the Space Wolves fail, the consequences would be devastating
So this is that narrative release campaign everyone has been talking about. If this box is he first in a line of new space wolf and gsc realeases (new boxes and "wulfen dreadnought") then this could be promising for the orks and black legion.
So, a few months back many people were talking about the Abaddon and chosen terminator type of thing, and people have been begging for orks as long as I can remember. It would make a lot of sense if these things were brought out alongside this narrative thingy
I think that GW are going to start with supplement books like 7th, with a few new models for each. There might be a box of black legion v orks.
In Tooth and Claw, the Space Wolves – now reinforced by the Primaris Space Marines – descend upon Vigilus to crush the insidious Genestealer Cults. This is no mere uprising – positioned in one of the only relatively stable channels between each half of the galaxy, Vigilus is both the gateway to the beleaguered “Imperium Nihilus” and a citadel against the Black Legion, Orks and all manner of threats from without. Should the Space Wolves fail, the consequences would be devastating
So this is that narrative release campaign everyone has been talking about. If this box is he first in a line of new space wolf and gsc realeases (new boxes and "wulfen dreadnought") then this could be promising for the orks and black legion.
So, a few months back many people were talking about the Abaddon and chosen terminator type of thing, and people have been begging for orks as long as I can remember. It would make a lot of sense if these things were brought out alongside this narrative thingy
I think that GW are going to start with supplement books like 7th, with a few new models for each. There might be a box of black legion v orks.
By any means, the future looks bright!
This would be nice if it is the case. Could this be how they update codices now for armies that have a codex?
One thing I also like about it if GW keeps doing it, is while I don't want to start large armies, this would be a great way to collect a small army and now would have a use in Kill Teams now. Before I haven't bought these boxsets that GW put out unless I collected that army. Why bother buy something when you can't use it since you would have to buy more because players want bigger games. Now with Kill Teams they can be used.
dan2026 wrote: Are the Abberant's coming out separately?
Not yet. This is essentially the "Forgebane" for this setup. The Aberrant and Abomination will likely be out when the codex comes out, with this set being available for as long as stocks last.
I like that SW primaris character and will get one ( then put a helmet on it). Looks like a nice boxset but I really do not need a genestealer cult. btw does it come with a full page rulebook?
Edit: just seen the dices and not my cup of tea.
Vankraken wrote: Looks like the Wolves are become closer and closer to just having a paint scheme and accessory packs amount of separation from being vanilla marines.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a stand alone Primaris Codex in the near future where the SW,BA and DA are included as just chapter tactics and a keyword.
Oh, this is the full codex release. After over a year. How incredibly underwhelming. If they were going to do a fast and easy codex like DA and BA I see no reason to have waited this long. Mediocre GW Mediocre.
Justyn wrote: Oh, this is the full codex release. After over a year. How incredibly underwhelming. If they were going to do a fast and easy codex like DA and BA I see no reason to have waited this long. Mediocre GW Mediocre.
You got Wulfen, a new Logan, and a slew of updated character models when your updated army list dropped last edition...what did you really expect?
Justyn wrote: Oh, this is the full codex release. After over a year. How incredibly underwhelming. If they were going to do a fast and easy codex like DA and BA I see no reason to have waited this long. Mediocre GW Mediocre.
You got Wulfen, a new Logan, and a slew of updated character models when your updated army list dropped last edition...what did you really expect?
For a start I wouldn't mind an apology for most of those things....
... given the fact that 4 codexes remained by the start of June, and the fact that it was unlikely russ coming due to the lack of leaks by now, it was reasonable to believe the pacing of SW was due to schedule. Now the lack off additional content in exchange for re-purposed kits was expected a mile a way. All those primaris rumors from before felt like a ton of wish listing from the start. If you lucky, you will get both upgrade frame & pack leader separate before they move to gsc next.
jessagain wrote: A lot of strange negativity and extrapolation off the back of the first weeks release... there's more coming, don't worry.
I suspect there isn't. the space wolves announcement is more or less what all the space marine 'dexes got. this is expected.
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Kdash wrote: So, i had to pause that Tooth and Claw video in the article as i was reading the article at the same time... Had a massive "WTF?!?" moment when i read "Wulfen Dreadnought".
I'm curious as to how they are going to try and spin this. A Death Company Dreadnought i can understand, as i presume the mind of the Marine inside falls to the Rage, but, i didn't think a standard marine inside of a dreadnought could succumb to the Wulfen curse? And i'd be raising an eyebrow if they put an already turned Wulfen into a Dreadnought...
edit- it double posted for some reason.
there's still a marine inside the dread. why couldn't it fall to the curse?
The curse is about self control and a dreadnought spends most of its time asleep. There's no reason for them to ever fall to the curse from lack of self control and no reason to put someone who could fall in one.
God forbid the SW faction is held to the same standards as other marines and "only" get a Primaris LT equivalent. The new bits indicate that there maybe a 2nd customization sprue on top of the existing one which other marine factions don't get plus the usual points discounts SW players have typically enjoyed in 2nd, 3rd, and 5th editions plus the benefit of coming late in the cycle when game design bugs with the new edition are mostly ironed out. On the chance there are new primaris units, we'll likely have them in the codex as opposed to earlier releases that will have to buy the yearly chapter approved instead.
Fear not, my fellow Fenrisians! The All Father will provide!
Justyn wrote: Oh, this is the full codex release. After over a year. How incredibly underwhelming. If they were going to do a fast and easy codex like DA and BA I see no reason to have waited this long. Mediocre GW Mediocre.
You got Wulfen, a new Logan, and a slew of updated character models when your updated army list dropped last edition...what did you really expect?
If that's all they were going to release, why didn't they put it out at the same time as the Blood Angels and Dark Angels? Why was there a 15 month wait from the 8th edition release (breaking the "all codices within a year" promise), the release of a brand new faction in the Custodes and a lot of other box games? It's aggravating to have been waiting so long with a mediocre Index list and now this is all we get.
Justyn wrote: Oh, this is the full codex release. After over a year. How incredibly underwhelming. If they were going to do a fast and easy codex like DA and BA I see no reason to have waited this long. Mediocre GW Mediocre.
At least its not more Super Wolf Wolf Wolf nonsense or a Wolfen Dreadnought that is partially covered in fur ....or some similar BS.
And its still more than most non marine armies got - oh and Sisters just have a single picture of a possible future model and some vague allusions to a possible future dex - nothing more. No sign of any more Sisters of Silence. Still waiting for Skitarri commanders.
New Genestealers look good.
Wierd no terrain in that box?
If that's all they were going to release, why didn't they put it out at the same time as the Blood Angels and Dark Angels? Why was there a 15 month wait from the 8th edition release (breaking the "all codices within a year" promise), the release of a brand new faction in the Custodes and a lot of other box games? It's aggravating to have been waiting so long with a mediocre Index list and now this is all we get.
Maybe they wanted someting other than Marines in the release schedule? Other factions are still waiting.
I do agree that just doing a Primaris Codex with the varied slightly different Chapter versions would have been better.
Heck, they came in 4s in Overkill... here’s me just hoping they haven’t changed the minimum squad size in the Codex in a spectacular douche move. I mean, I’ve got 8, but still...
Justyn wrote: Oh, this is the full codex release. After over a year. How incredibly underwhelming. If they were going to do a fast and easy codex like DA and BA I see no reason to have waited this long. Mediocre GW Mediocre.
At least its not more Super Wolf Wolf Wolf nonsense or a Wolfen Dreadnought that is partially covered in fur ....or some similar BS.
And its still more than most non marine armies got - oh and Sisters just have a single picture of a possible future model and some vague allusions to a possible future dex - nothing more. No sign of any more Sisters of Silence. Still waiting for Skitarri commanders.
New Genestealers look good.
Wierd no terrain in that box?
Shield of Baal set and other 7th ‘it’s not a starter but it’s a starter’ campaign sets didn’t include terrain either, so not weird tbh.
If that's all they were going to release, why didn't they put it out at the same time as the Blood Angels and Dark Angels? Why was there a 15 month wait from the 8th edition release (breaking the "all codices within a year" promise), the release of a brand new faction in the Custodes and a lot of other box games? It's aggravating to have been waiting so long with a mediocre Index list and now this is all we get.
Yeah, that's why I too was expecting this to be a bigger release...
Justyn wrote: Oh, this is the full codex release. After over a year. How incredibly underwhelming. If they were going to do a fast and easy codex like DA and BA I see no reason to have waited this long. Mediocre GW Mediocre.
You got Wulfen, a new Logan, and a slew of updated character models when your updated army list dropped last edition...what did you really expect?
If that's all they were going to release, why didn't they put it out at the same time as the Blood Angels and Dark Angels? Why was there a 15 month wait from the 8th edition release (breaking the "all codices within a year" promise), the release of a brand new faction in the Custodes and a lot of other box games? It's aggravating to have been waiting so long with a mediocre Index list and now this is all we get.
economics. First of all Space Wolves are the second most popular space marine army after Vanilla. we're in the new fisical year for GW, AOS 2.0, Killteam and ASdeptus Titanicus all came out in the summer, the same release area that we saw for 40k 8th. space wolves got delayed because GW knows the end result'll look good on their balance sheets. front loading 8th edition would have been a bad idea from a basic economics pov
Justyn wrote: Oh, this is the full codex release. After over a year. How incredibly underwhelming. If they were going to do a fast and easy codex like DA and BA I see no reason to have waited this long. Mediocre GW Mediocre.
You got Wulfen, a new Logan, and a slew of updated character models when your updated army list dropped last edition...what did you really expect?
If that's all they were going to release, why didn't they put it out at the same time as the Blood Angels and Dark Angels? Why was there a 15 month wait from the 8th edition release (breaking the "all codices within a year" promise), the release of a brand new faction in the Custodes and a lot of other box games? It's aggravating to have been waiting so long with a mediocre Index list and now this is all we get.
All that stuff was done in 7th edition. It came with the "Curse of the Wulfen" book for the Space Wolves.
I get that you might feel like "I didn't get enough to justify a 15 month wait!"...but you're forgetting that in between 8th edition's release and now, we've had a whole new edition of AoS drop.
Also, 15 months is them "breaking the all the codices within a year"? That's 3 months. This is fricking Flash levels of fast for GW.
Justyn wrote: Oh, this is the full codex release. After over a year. How incredibly underwhelming. If they were going to do a fast and easy codex like DA and BA I see no reason to have waited this long. Mediocre GW Mediocre.
You got Wulfen, a new Logan, and a slew of updated character models when your updated army list dropped last edition...what did you really expect?
If that's all they were going to release, why didn't they put it out at the same time as the Blood Angels and Dark Angels? Why was there a 15 month wait from the 8th edition release (breaking the "all codices within a year" promise), the release of a brand new faction in the Custodes and a lot of other box games? It's aggravating to have been waiting so long with a mediocre Index list and now this is all we get.
All that stuff was done in 7th edition. It came with the "Curse of the Wulfen" book for the Space Wolves.
I get that you might feel like "I didn't get enough to justify a 15 month wait!"...but you're forgetting that in between 8th edition's release and now, we've had a whole new edition of AoS drop.
Also, 15 months is them "breaking the all the codices within a year"? That's 3 months. This is fricking Flash levels of fast for GW.
Also it's not a break of promise at all. if Orks go up for pre-order on the 25th, and GSC's are the week after, they'll have comfortable kept that promise. it's just that the starting line was (reasonably) a year from the release of the first codec for 8th.
Looking closely at the new GWSW pics it seems that it's not a new front armour torso but just rather a necklace. There is another primaris with the same bit.
Mr Morden wrote: At least its not more Super Wolf Wolf Wolf nonsense or a Wolfen Dreadnought that is partially covered in fur ....or some similar BS.
They already have that, so why do it again?
Mr Morden wrote: And its still more than most non marine armies got - oh and Sisters just have a single picture of a possible future model and some vague allusions to a possible future dex - nothing more. No sign of any more Sisters of Silence. Still waiting for Skitarri commanders.
Can't you go one thread without, y'know, being a typical Sisters player? Your army is coming. They're working on plastics. It's not a "possible future model" nor are they "vague allusions to a possible future dex". You make it sound like they're not confirmed as happening. They are. They're coming out next year at least.
Mr Morden wrote: And its still more than most non marine armies got - oh and Sisters just have a single picture of a possible future model and some vague allusions to a possible future dex - nothing more. No sign of any more Sisters of Silence. Still waiting for Skitarri commanders.
Can't you go one thread without, y'know, being a typical Sisters player? Your army is coming. They're working on plastics. It's not a "possible future model" nor are they "vague allusions to a possible future dex". You make it sound like they're not confirmed as happening. They are. They're coming out next year at least.
They're coming out next year *at best*, not 'at least'. The whole 'Emperor Willing' means 'As long as there aren't production delays, trouble with designs that need to be addressed, bad rules design that needs to be re-done, etc, then we'll probably get them by 2019, but tbh it's not a priority. We showed you guys one render of a plastic model and nothing else, despite promising to clue you all in on the design process and all the behind-the-scenes goodness, but haven't really made good on that promise either.'
I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a 2020 release. Late 2020.
But, back to Space Wolves.
Pretty disappointed. No Russ. Honestly I don't think Space Wolves need any new models. I was just expecting the next Primarch. Honestly, I was only hoping for Russ because if we got Russ then that'd mean we'd probably get another Chaos Primarch like Angron or Fulgrim next. Specifically Fulgrim, since that would mean new Emperor's Children models. But, maybe it's best for the game if we don't get more super-powered primarchs that you can Soup into other Imperium armies.
The Genestealer Cult stuff is looking good though. Those Aberrants look cool and I'll be interested to see where the gunslinger guy fits in. The paintjob on those minis is pretty atrocious though. It feels really rushed and flat...
I'm of the opinion primarchs, loyalist ones at least, don't come back in codices. it's too big an event just to slide in a codex with "ohh by the way Russ is back"
angel of death 007 wrote: Hopefully the price will be reasonable. I would like to see what USD GW puts on this after their preorder for Adeptus Titanicus.
What is new in the box on the GSC side? There is just the character on the SW side. To me that doesn't seem like a great selling point. I'm not sure about anyone else, but i bought what Primaris I wanted when they were released. Forgebane had two new characters plus the Armigers to push its sales along.
What is new in the box on the GSC side? There is just the character on the SW side. To me that doesn't seem like a great selling point. I'm not sure about anyone else, but i bought what Primaris I wanted when they were released. Forgebane had two new characters plus the Armigers to push its sales along.
Character and upgrade sprues for SW. For GSC bunch of new models. More can be read on that article.
And for GW's sake I hope they haven't already sold all primaris they are going to sell or they are in serious poo-poo.
What is new in the box on the GSC side? There is just the character on the SW side. To me that doesn't seem like a great selling point. I'm not sure about anyone else, but i bought what Primaris I wanted when they were released. Forgebane had two new characters plus the Armigers to push its sales along.
The only new models were the Necron Cryptek and the Armigers; all the rest of it was standard stuff. So this is basically the same, and will likely cost the same ($160 US). We're getting a new Wolves character, a new GSC character, plus a new kit for Aberrants. Basically the same as Forgebane but with different armies. I for one hope to split the box with someone, as I would like to have the Wolves stuff, but don't want to start a Genestealer Cult army.
The only new models were the Necron Cryptek and the Armigers; all the rest of it was standard stuff. So this is basically the same, and will likely cost the same ($160 US). We're getting a new Wolves character, a new GSC character, plus a new kit for Aberrants. Basically the same as Forgebane but with different armies. I for one hope to split the box with someone, as I would like to have the Wolves stuff, but don't want to start a Genestealer Cult army.
Well the upgrade sprue will be sold with every Primaris kit for a while. I'm very interested to see what is on it. If it mimics the BA/DA sprues it won't be all that needed. We already have a great sprue with shoulder pads and two melee weapons. I'll pick up some Intercessors to get one, since I kit-bashed all of mine into Berserkers because I hate Wulfen models. That will give me at least one upgrade sprue. Then I'll grab the character on Ebay. But yeah I mostly see this kit getting split between two people both building their armies up. Unlike Forgebane which sold a lot to people looking for the Armigers and selling/trading the rest off.
And for GW's sake I hope they haven't already sold all primaris they are going to sell or they are in serious poo-poo.
Wasn't trying to say they had. Just that release times are when they sell the bulk of their kits.
I've just started a space wolf army, well I've got all my basic troops I have some extra Primaris I've been planning on maybe tossing in there if I like how space wolves intergrate Primaris Marines, so for me the box might be worth while if I can find someone who wants to split the box with me.
What is new in the box on the GSC side? There is just the character on the SW side. To me that doesn't seem like a great selling point. I'm not sure about anyone else, but i bought what Primaris I wanted when they were released. Forgebane had two new characters plus the Armigers to push its sales along.
from the looks of it you get...\
SW Lieutenant or leader model
squad of 5 primus marines
redemptor dread
3 man new squad of some primus variant models
GSC Aberath leader model
squad of 5 aberath
squad of 5 acolyte hybrids
metamorph or acolyte leader
squad of genestealers
What is new in the box on the GSC side? There is just the character on the SW side. To me that doesn't seem like a great selling point. I'm not sure about anyone else, but i bought what Primaris I wanted when they were released. Forgebane had two new characters plus the Armigers to push its sales along.
from the looks of it you get...\
SW Lieutenant or leader model
squad of 5 primus marines
redemptor dread
3 man new squad of some primus variant models
GSC Aberath leader model
squad of 5 aberath
squad of 5 acolyte hybrids
metamorph or acolyte leader
squad of genestealers
So the SW upgrade sprue has a single chainsword and no power/frost sword? If SW intercessors can take chainswords each and a Power/Frost weapon on sarge I'm going to go full primaris. If not, I'll probably just stick with Grey Hunters. So sad if GW botched this chance to really push the intercessor kit to SW players.
Weazel wrote: So the SW upgrade sprue has a single chainsword and no power/frost sword? If SW intercessors can take chainswords each and a Power/Frost weapon on sarge I'm going to go full primaris. If not, I'll probably just stick with Grey Hunters. So sad if GW botched this chance to really push the intercessor kit to SW players.
so in other words "if intercessotrs are completely OP..."
Weazel wrote: So the SW upgrade sprue has a single chainsword and no power/frost sword? If SW intercessors can take chainswords each and a Power/Frost weapon on sarge I'm going to go full primaris. If not, I'll probably just stick with Grey Hunters. So sad if GW botched this chance to really push the intercessor kit to SW players.
so in other words "if intercessotrs are completely OP..."
Umm in what universe would an extra attack per Intercessor make them OP? As far as I understand they are not considered very competitive at the moment.
I mean the Primaris loadouts don't make any sense in any other context than GW trying to avoid overlap. They are bigger and stronger than oldmarines yet nobody carries even a heavy bolter? Grey Hunters can carry chainswords but for some reason their big brothers cannot? It's just a load of gak. I hope they'd ditch oldmarines altogether and give all the options to the Primaris.
Weazel wrote: So the SW upgrade sprue has a single chainsword and no power/frost sword? If SW intercessors can take chainswords each and a Power/Frost weapon on sarge I'm going to go full primaris. If not, I'll probably just stick with Grey Hunters. So sad if GW botched this chance to really push the intercessor kit to SW players.
so in other words "if intercessotrs are completely OP..."
Umm in what universe would an extra attack per Intercessor make them OP? As far as I understand they are not considered very competitive at the moment.
How much would you up the cost or what you would take away to make sure wolf interceptors aren't just interceptors+1?
Weazel wrote: So the SW upgrade sprue has a single chainsword and no power/frost sword? If SW intercessors can take chainswords each and a Power/Frost weapon on sarge I'm going to go full primaris. If not, I'll probably just stick with Grey Hunters. So sad if GW botched this chance to really push the intercessor kit to SW players.
so in other words "if intercessotrs are completely OP..."
Umm in what universe would an extra attack per Intercessor make them OP? As far as I understand they are not considered very competitive at the moment.
How much would you up the cost or what you would take away to make sure wolf interceptors aren't just interceptors+1?
Well make it +1p for a Chainsword. +3p for a Powersword on sarge. I mean DA sarge can take a powersword, why the heck can a frigging SW pack leader not?
E: We have only seen a couple of pictures so it's unclear what is in the upgrade sprue, so I'll still keep my hopes up.
Weazel wrote: So the SW upgrade sprue has a single chainsword and no power/frost sword? If SW intercessors can take chainswords each and a Power/Frost weapon on sarge I'm going to go full primaris. If not, I'll probably just stick with Grey Hunters. So sad if GW botched this chance to really push the intercessor kit to SW players.
so in other words "if intercessotrs are completely OP..."
Umm in what universe would an extra attack per Intercessor make them OP? As far as I understand they are not considered very competitive at the moment.
How much would you up the cost or what you would take away to make sure wolf interceptors aren't just interceptors+1?
this, keep in mind chainsword inceptors would would 3 attack 2 wounds.. 3+ armor that'd edging in on some of the dedicated melee units out there.
Weazel wrote: So the SW upgrade sprue has a single chainsword and no power/frost sword? If SW intercessors can take chainswords each and a Power/Frost weapon on sarge I'm going to go full primaris. If not, I'll probably just stick with Grey Hunters. So sad if GW botched this chance to really push the intercessor kit to SW players.
so in other words "if intercessotrs are completely OP..."
Umm in what universe would an extra attack per Intercessor make them OP? As far as I understand they are not considered very competitive at the moment.
How much would you up the cost or what you would take away to make sure wolf interceptors aren't just interceptors+1?
this, keep in mind chainsword inceptors would would 3 attack 2 wounds.. 3+ armor that'd edging in on some of the dedicated melee units out there.
I just wanna step in here and make sure you guys are still talking a bout the same thing, 'cause primaris interceptors aren't a thing and inceptors are a totally different unit.
People are talking about intercessors, interceptors and inceptors like they're the same thing. GW and their naming, sheesh.
10 Grey Hunters are 10 wounds and they deliver 20 attacks with chainswords. 5 Intercessors (10 wounds) would deliver 15 attacks with chainswords. Again I ask, in what universe would they be OP? Seriously guys.
I guess the Murderfang datasheet will not be in the Code, instead we get a no-name WUlfen dread with the same model.
Keep in mind that the old SW upgrade sprue with frostaxe/sword was already designed for Primaris. The hands holding the weapons are noticably bigger than standard marine hands.
Look like we are getting a Primaris upgrade sprue similiar to the BA one but with also a chest piece.
Weazel wrote: People are talking about intercessors, interceptors and inceptors like they're the same thing. GW and their naming, sheesh.
10 Grey Hunters are 10 wounds and they deliver 20 attacks with chainswords. 5 Intercessors (10 wounds) would deliver 15 attacks with chainswords. Again I ask, in what universe would they be OP? Seriously guys.
Not saying they are OP. But if they cost same and are otherwise identical to others but have chainsword that's silly. They would be original unit+1 which is just bad game design.
Weazel wrote: People are talking about intercessors, interceptors and inceptors like they're the same thing. GW and their naming, sheesh.
10 Grey Hunters are 10 wounds and they deliver 20 attacks with chainswords. 5 Intercessors (10 wounds) would deliver 15 attacks with chainswords. Again I ask, in what universe would they be OP? Seriously guys.
Not saying they are OP. But if they cost same and are otherwise identical to others but have chainsword that's silly. They would be original unit+1 which is just bad game design.
Well, I never said they should get the CS for free. I just want them to be able to fill out the same role as Grey Hunters, otherwise I'm just not going to bother with any Primaris at all. I want to go full primaris or none at all. Mixing oldmarines and numarines just looks too goofy.
Ragnar69 wrote: I guess the Murderfang datasheet will not be in the Code, instead we get a no-name WUlfen dread with the same model.
Keep in mind that the old SW upgrade sprue with frostaxe/sword was already designed for Primaris. The hands holding the weapons are noticably bigger than standard marine hands.
Look like we are getting a Primaris upgrade sprue similiar to the BA one but with also a chest piece.
Hard to say if we'll keep murderfang or not, I could see them keeping murderfang distinct. on the other hand if murderfang is simply replaced with a wulfen dread, and additional options are given I won't consider murderfang's dissappering a great loss,
drbored wrote: The Genestealer Cult stuff is looking good though. Those Aberrants look cool and I'll be interested to see where the gunslinger guy fits in. The paintjob on those minis is pretty atrocious though. It feels really rushed and flat...
Yes, but... with a more realistic paintjob the Abominant and the more misshapen heads in the Aberrant box looking at those models would be like a trip through the collection in the cellars of a pathology. They have the potential to look really disturbing.
I was expecting £95 to put it inline with Forgebane so happy with £90 as intend to pick up 2 or 3 to finish off my GSC infantry (still need a couple more trucks). Glad I held off on buying the hybrids I needed now.
It will still be $160 in the US. GW has increased their exchange rates despite the pound falling. Fortunately I found an online retailer that will sell from UK to the US, just gotta order enough for the free shipping.
Well, at least there seems to be no Russ, so that is good news. And GSC models are lovely, though the old regular genestealers start to look pretty crappy next to them.
Mr Morden wrote: At least its not more Super Wolf Wolf Wolf nonsense or a Wolfen Dreadnought that is partially covered in fur ....or some similar BS.
They already have that, so why do it again?
Technically all we have is classic wolf nonsense. Now that Primaris and Primarchs are a thing, we could have all new embiggened wolf nonsense.
It's a valid concern both because Marines basically got rebooted and the reboot could go anywhere, including rehashing what we already have, and because Primaris happen to be a good thing for the vikings not werewolves Space Wolves fans, what with their plain design and all that going against the last ten years of Space Wolves design.
Weazel wrote: So the SW upgrade sprue has a single chainsword and no power/frost sword? If SW intercessors can take chainswords each and a Power/Frost weapon on sarge I'm going to go full primaris. If not, I'll probably just stick with Grey Hunters. So sad if GW botched this chance to really push the intercessor kit to SW players.
so in other words "if intercessotrs are completely OP..."
Umm in what universe would an extra attack per Intercessor make them OP? As far as I understand they are not considered very competitive at the moment.
How much would you up the cost or what you would take away to make sure wolf interceptors aren't just interceptors+1?
Well make it +1p for a Chainsword. +3p for a Powersword on sarge. I mean DA sarge can take a powersword, why the heck can a frigging SW pack leader not?
E: We have only seen a couple of pictures so it's unclear what is in the upgrade sprue, so I'll still keep my hopes up.
You know that your Sergeants can have power swords too? Every Intercessor Sergeants can have a power sword.
Weazel wrote: People are talking about intercessors, interceptors and inceptors like they're the same thing. GW and their naming, sheesh.
10 Grey Hunters are 10 wounds and they deliver 20 attacks with chainswords. 5 Intercessors (10 wounds) would deliver 15 attacks with chainswords. Again I ask, in what universe would they be OP? Seriously guys.
Not saying they are OP. But if they cost same and are otherwise identical to others but have chainsword that's silly. They would be original unit+1 which is just bad game design.
Well, I never said they should get the CS for free. I just want them to be able to fill out the same role as Grey Hunters, otherwise I'm just not going to bother with any Primaris at all. I want to go full primaris or none at all. Mixing oldmarines and numarines just looks too goofy.
You know that functionally, your Primaris have as many attacks as a GS with a chainsword? As in, any niche your Grey Hunters had, Primaris also do, because they have the same amount of attacks?
In fact, functionally, Primaris Intercessors are identical to Grey Hunters barring a few differences:
An extra Wound
A more powerful bolter
No embedded Wolf Guard or special weapons
No access to power weapons (except on the sergeant)
No transports, barring the Repulsor
Seeing as the only thing you ask for is "filling the same role as Grey Hunters), the only thing that you'd be missing is the special weapons and transport access, in exchange for better regular shooting and an extra Wound. What's the problem?
In fact, functionally, Primaris Intercessors are identical to Grey Hunters barring a few differences:
An extra Wound
A more powerful bolter
No embedded Wolf Guard or special weapons
No access to power weapons (except on the sergeant)
No transports, barring the Repulsor
Seeing as the only thing you ask for is "filling the same role as Grey Hunters), the only thing that you'd be missing is the special weapons and transport access, in exchange for better regular shooting and an extra Wound. What's the problem?
I think the problem is:
No embedded Wolf Guard or special weapons
No access to power weapons.
No transports, barring the Repulsor
They gave BA power sword in a FAQ. I wish they'd do the same in reverse too and give other chapters a cahinsword.
It is also weird that SW cannot have Primaris Apothecaries, but can Have Primaris Chaplains, though Wolf Priests combine these two roles. I wonder how they handle this in the codex, I hope they get the Apothecaries too.
Oh and lets not forget that they pay points for the extra wound and the better bolter, when they lose all flavor. If I wanted to play Generic Marines I would.
It is also weird that SW cannot have Primaris Apothecaries, but can Have Primaris Chaplains, though Wolf Priests combine these two roles. I wonder how they handle this in the codex, I hope they get the Apothecaries too.
It is because Wolf Priests have never been as good at healing as Apothecaries in any edition. I would love it if they were. Hell I'd buy a Primaris Apothecary in a heartbeat. The ability to get guys back up is pretty amazing.
Thr silly thing is with every "Special" chapter having its own codex their is nothing stopping GW giving Blood angles intercessors Chainsword and making them an Intercessor +1 point
Giving Space furries chainswords at +1 point
Leaving Vanilla marines not having to pay extra points for an extra attack they don't get.
*As aslong as chainswords are 0 points who's not taking free weapons.
Wider context intercessors are probably 15/16ppm unit so 17, 18 with the chainswords is atleast better than the vanilla setup.
Personally I'm a little disappointed that they didn't take the opportunity to rain in the space furries and go back to less rediculous space Vikings.
KTG17 wrote: This looks like a complete walk in the park for the Space Wolves.
If the Aggressors can be neutralized quickly it should be ok for the GSC half actually. Everyone knows what Genestealers can do once they get into combat while Aberrants are excellent against multi-wound infantry and should make short work of a Dreadnaught if they can get into combat with it. The main obstacle is the Aggressors with their extremely painful anti-horde double tap shooting without the GSC half having access to Mass Hypnosis to shut it down. We also don't know what the Abominant can do in melee, but if we assume it is an Aberrant +1 it should be comparable to a mini-Carnifex with Crushing Claws (or maybe a mini-Old One Eye depending on what it does for Aberrants if anything).
If one were breaking from exactly how the box is built, one could substitute the Metamorphs for Acolytes for additional armor cracking options. Admittedly, at that point the Dreadnaught would probably be taking an Onslaught cannon since plasma is overkill against most GSC models and the benefits of overcharging are negated by the Bestial Vigor ability on Aberrants.
KTG17 wrote: This looks like a complete walk in the park for the Space Wolves.
I think you'll find marines have absolutely no counter to a stop-sign equipped Aberrant leader charging up with his squad and yelling "Stop. Hammer time"
KTG17 wrote: This looks like a complete walk in the park for the Space Wolves.
I think you'll find marines have absolutely no counter to a stop-sign equipped Aberrant leader charging up with his squad and yelling "Stop. Hammer time"
For that you should probably use the Overkill models instead of the new ones, though. Just so your background dancers all do the same move.
The events which take place in Tooth and Claw continue the story that began in Warhammer 40,000: Kill Team, and reveal the full extent of the threat faced by the world of Vigilus, while hinting at future events that may yet come to pass…
SNIP
...These force fields proved so effective that even when an Ork Waaagh! smashed into Vigilus, the greenskins were unable to assail the hive sprawls beyond, so took to seeking entertainment elsewhere by engaging in violent races across the sweeping open plains that separate the vast hive sprawls.
Box looks like a good deal for the GSC and a waste for any SM player.
Don't buy this hoping you can sell the SW side and keep the GSC side. Unless the primaris dread gets a re-work in CA that thing is a non-competitive paper weight. If those are the easy to assemble flamer only aggressors they worse on the table than the dread.
I would have loved to see some actual primaris sized wolfen or other iconic SW units. The primaris dread with a viking shield and huge axe would have been awesome, instead you are getting the dad bod special with a couple extra bits of bling.
I hope the box flops. The GSC stuff looks fun but I'm guessing anyone who wanted intercessors already has them and everything else in the SW side of the box is sub-par at best on the table top. GW needs to push the envelope. This is 40k, grim dark, if you are going all wolfie-mcwolf face then go all out. Fangs, claws, vikings and werewolves!!! Trying to get all SM players to use the same basic models with just little bling differences is lazy, exploitative and I hope it fails.
The events which take place in Tooth and Claw continue the story that began in Warhammer 40,000: Kill Team, and reveal the full extent of the threat faced by the world of Vigilus, while hinting at future events that may yet come to pass…
SNIP
...These force fields proved so effective that even when an Ork Waaagh! smashed into Vigilus, the greenskins were unable to assail the hive sprawls beyond, so took to seeking entertainment elsewhere by engaging in violent races across the sweeping open plains that separate the vast hive sprawls.
Sweeping open plains? Hmmm did someone say Primaris Bikers?
The events which take place in Tooth and Claw continue the story that began in Warhammer 40,000: Kill Team, and reveal the full extent of the threat faced by the world of Vigilus, while hinting at future events that may yet come to pass… SNIP ...These force fields proved so effective that even when an Ork Waaagh! smashed into Vigilus, the greenskins were unable to assail the hive sprawls beyond, so took to seeking entertainment elsewhere by engaging in violent races across the sweeping open plains that separate the vast hive sprawls.
Indeed. There was a very small, knowing smile on Phil Kelly's lips when he casually mentioned Orks in the video - I immediately took that as a sign they will tie Gorkamorka into the Vigilus storyline.
I wonder if there are Necron tombs beneath the surface as well, so they will also tie this into the blackstone storyline...
bananathug wrote: I hope the box flops. The GSC stuff looks fun but I'm guessing anyone who wanted intercessors already has them and everything else in the SW side of the box is sub-par at best on the table top. GW needs to push the envelope. This is 40k, grim dark, if you are going all wolfie-mcwolf face then go all out. Fangs, claws, vikings and werewolves!!! Trying to get all SM players to use the same basic models with just little bling differences is lazy, exploitative and I hope it fails.
Thank god there wasn't all wolfie-mcwolf. SW were much more interesting before that junk appeared.
BA have been FAQd to be allowed power swords. Why wouldn't SW be the same when their Codex comes?
Furthermore, what's stopping you playing a mono-Primaris SW army, using regular SM rules? If the lack of a sword means that much.
In fact, functionally, Primaris Intercessors are identical to Grey Hunters barring a few differences:
An extra Wound
A more powerful bolter
No embedded Wolf Guard or special weapons
No access to power weapons (except on the sergeant)
No transports, barring the Repulsor
Seeing as the only thing you ask for is "filling the same role as Grey Hunters), the only thing that you'd be missing is the special weapons and transport access, in exchange for better regular shooting and an extra Wound. What's the problem?
I think the problem is:
No embedded Wolf Guard or special weapons
No access to power weapons.
No transports, barring the Repulsor
But you don't need all of that to be Grey Hunters. Special Weapons can be covered by Hellblasters, Wolf Guard are rarely taken, from what I see, power weapons are on one guy (and may be coming soon), and a transport is hardly an issue when your weapons have a very respectable range over normal GH anyway.
If you ARE after embedded weapons, and power weapons, Deathwatch do this in their Primaris lists. Count-as your Primaris Wolves as Deathwatch, maybe?
bananathug wrote:I hope the box flops. The GSC stuff looks fun but I'm guessing anyone who wanted intercessors already has them and everything else in the SW side of the box is sub-par at best on the table top. GW needs to push the envelope. This is 40k, grim dark, if you are going all wolfie-mcwolf face then go all out. Fangs, claws, vikings and werewolves!!! Trying to get all SM players to use the same basic models with just little bling differences is lazy, exploitative and I hope it fails.
I don't like the wolfie-mcwolf stuff, and I feel that the Space Wolves are better as only a slightly more flavoursome version of "the same basic models".
Conversely, I love the Primaris Marines, their scuplts, and units (which some personal wishes of mine - Reivers with some kind of power weapons, a lighter/cheaper transport than the Repulsor, and something a little more anti-tank for infantry models than the heavy plasma incinerator) and hope this box does well.
It is because Wolf Priests have never been as good at healing as Apothecaries in any edition. I would love it if they were. Hell I'd buy a Primaris Apothecary in a heartbeat. The ability to get guys back up is pretty amazing.
Speaking of which, in their webstore there is Primaris Apothecary in the SW section... Has it been there for long? The PDF still says that they cannot take one... Sucks if it is just a mistake, I'm sure plenty of people will order one imagining they can use it.
Of the Primaris Models I like the Intercessors and the Hellblasters. IE the most basic guys. The rest of them look stupid, from the Reivers wierd ankles and half masks to the jump packs that feed direct into the helmet.
Organizationally I hate them, they are bland every guys is the same squads. They are boring. That is what generic Marines exist for.
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Speaking of which, in their webstore there is Primaris Apothecary in the SW section... Has it been there for long? The PDF still says that they cannot take one... Sucks if it is just a mistake, I'm sure plenty of people will order one imagining they can use it.
I don't remember seeing it there before. But I wasn't looking either. Guess we will know for sure in a couple weeks.
I like the extreme sculpts. Space marine characters (grimaldus and his retinue, the sanguinor with his golden abs, celestine and her wings...) just evoke the over-the-top feeling that I get from the 40k-verse. If "normal" marines are what you're after ultra-marines are mary suing all over the galaxy. I want big hair, beard braids and wolves. Some kick-butt biker dudes on choppers would be awesome (it's what I see in my head)!!
But my opinion is worth about as much as the paper it's written on and there's no accounting for taste so there's that. I can respect the people that want more grim minimal sculpts.
I'm a huge fan of the primaris for the most part (the closed helm inceptors are bad, I actually like the aggressors, I don't like the dread or repulsor at all, the reivers and intercessors are so good though). The dynamic poses are awesome (so much easier than using a heat gun...) and the size makes it so much easier for me to paint.
I fell in love with black templars/dark angels for the robes/chains and over the topness of it all. I'd rather GW go in that direction but I'm sure they'll go in the direction that sells the most (hence my hope that this thing bombs). I'll admit the line between too much cheesy bling vs this guy looks like he'd murder an entire planet is super subjective and hard to pin down.
As for selling. I seem to be able to find marine stuff dirt cheap while the flavor of the month tournament winners seem to sell for a lot more (most terminator lots don't sell or sell at a steep discount. Price point for primaris seems to be set by people still parting out DI). Again, just my personal experience (I don't have any hard sales data to back it up so I will quickly relinquish my position if anyone knows better).
All of the Primaris models look bad. From the awkwardly posed foot troops to the flying armored baby carriages.
Their pricing is also atrocious. People complain that the AT Titans that make up a huge chunk of your army are $110, yet we're in the era where just one 10 man troop choice box costs $60-75 depending on which chapter you play.
Primaris are complete <removed>, or to stay in the Wolfy McWolffe spirit - they're complete <removed>.
But yay, Ork news!
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zend wrote: All of the Primaris models look bad. From the awkwardly posed foot troops to the flying armored baby carriages.
And the Mark VII marines had better posing? And the Stormtalon/Stormraven aren't horribly un-aerodynamic? (I still like them though)
Their pricing is also atrocious. People complain that the AT Titans that make up a huge chunk of your army are $110, yet we're in the era where just one 10 man troop choice box costs $60-75 depending on which chapter you play.
The models are larger, they come with plenty of posing choices, the Chapter pads are optional, no-one's forcing you to buy them, they're higher detailed, and on top of that, there's still inflation as a factor.
If you expected Primaris to cost the same as what 10 Tactical Marines ten years ago used to, I think you may have had unrealistic expectations.
Primaris are complete dogshit, or to stay in the Wolfy McWolffe spirit - they're complete wolfshit.
If they had embiggened all the Marines and not made the wierd models they would have eventually sold me an entire new army. Instead I bought enough Hellblasters, and some of the Intercessors and LTs. I got two sets of the Marine side of DI but have not built any of the other models.
zend wrote: Convenient that you chose a comparison with an old push fit starter set marine that was onl slightly retooled for Dark Vengeance.
They've been the norm for Mark VIIs for years. And yet the Primaris next to them is also a monopose marine, and the snapfits are also far better posed.
And yet I'd rather have that chode marine considering I can get at least 4 units of them for the cost of a single Primaris box.
If quantity is more important than quality (or is a quality in itself), then more power to you.
I'd rather have a far better looking model. If I wanted cheap, I'd get plastic green army soldiers in a bag for £1. Of course, that's also my opinion.
Actually thinking about it, I'm surprised none of the third party bitz makers have started making things like melee weapons and arms for Primaris sized models, or Heavy Weapons.
The events which take place in Tooth and Claw continue the story that began in Warhammer 40,000: Kill Team, and reveal the full extent of the threat faced by the world of Vigilus, while hinting at future events that may yet come to pass…
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...These force fields proved so effective that even when an Ork Waaagh! smashed into Vigilus, the greenskins were unable to assail the hive sprawls beyond, so took to seeking entertainment elsewhere by engaging in violent races across the sweeping open plains that separate the vast hive sprawls.
While i'd love the hint to be Gorkamorka, remember this licenced boardgame from gencon
It’s high time that Gretchin got a game of their own – which is why we jumped at the opportunity to bring you just that in Gretchinz. This game has been out for a little while now, and we think it’s well worth a look. Crazy races between diminutive greenskinz? Sign us up!
bananathug wrote: Box looks like a good deal for the GSC and a waste for any SM player.
Don't buy this hoping you can sell the SW side and keep the GSC side. Unless the primaris dread gets a re-work in CA that thing is a non-competitive paper weight. If those are the easy to assemble flamer only aggressors they worse on the table than the dread.
I would have loved to see some actual primaris sized wolfen or other iconic SW units. The primaris dread with a viking shield and huge axe would have been awesome, instead you are getting the dad bod special with a couple extra bits of bling.
I hope the box flops. The GSC stuff looks fun but I'm guessing anyone who wanted intercessors already has them and everything else in the SW side of the box is sub-par at best on the table top. GW needs to push the envelope. This is 40k, grim dark, if you are going all wolfie-mcwolf face then go all out. Fangs, claws, vikings and werewolves!!! Trying to get all SM players to use the same basic models with just little bling differences is lazy, exploitative and I hope it fails.
What about those of us who don't care about competitive play and only want to build cool thematic armies, using the miniatures that we personally like?
Saying " I hope the box flops" is a lot like saying "I hope the safety on my shotgun malfunctions when I'm cleaning it later."
Justyn wrote: Of the Primaris Models I like the Intercessors and the Hellblasters. IE the most basic guys. The rest of them look stupid, from the Reivers wierd ankles and half masks to the jump packs that feed direct into the helmet.
Organizationally I hate them, they are bland every guys is the same squads. They are boring. That is what generic Marines exist for.
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Speaking of which, in their webstore there is Primaris Apothecary in the SW section... Has it been there for long? The PDF still says that they cannot take one... Sucks if it is just a mistake, I'm sure plenty of people will order one imagining they can use it.
I don't remember seeing it there before. But I wasn't looking either. Guess we will know for sure in a couple weeks.
I adore the aggressors, they're some of my favorite marine sclupts to date. Really wish I could bring one in a kill team!
But you can build space wolves with the primaris that have already been released. I just don't feel like these models add anything to the line.
Sure it may take a couple extra bits that SW players probably have laying around (or can order from the interwebs) but calling these "new models" seems used car salesmanie...I guess the "new model" is the primaris battle leader and the GSC side of the box so there's that but I want primaris kits that represent the essential elements of the chapters not just the same intercessor sculpt with chapter markings glued on.
Maybe I'm just still salty about not getting robes on my primaris but I feel that GW is getting lazy after such a good start. Not to poop in your cheerios if you haven't bought any primaris yet but you could get an upgrade pack and some cheap DI models and build almost everything on the SM side of this box...
Justyn wrote: Of the Primaris Models I like the Intercessors and the Hellblasters. IE the most basic guys. The rest of them look stupid, from the Reivers wierd ankles and half masks to the jump packs that feed direct into the helmet.
You are aware that Reivers get not only "half masks" in box, but also full helmets, yes? Ditto with enclosed helmets, it was exposed head on jump marines that looked colossally stupid. First landing and the SM would have broken his neck. There is reason racing drivers in high performance series wear HANS devices - and primaris head protection resembling one is far more realistic than than squatmarine variant...
I fell in love with black templars/dark angels for the robes/chains and over the topness of it all.
I take you never seen DA primaris lieutenant...?
bananathug wrote: Sure it may take a couple extra bits that SW players probably have laying around (or can order from the interwebs) but calling these "new models" seems used car salesmanie...I guess the "new model" is the primaris battle leader and the GSC side of the box so there's that but I want primaris kits that represent the essential elements of the chapters not just the same intercessor sculpt with chapter markings glued on.
By that standard, Horus Heresy models by FW are crap because 95% of them is just basic Mk x marine with chapter bits glued on. Somehow though, still thousands of people love building these...
zend wrote: All of the Primaris models look bad. From the awkwardly posed foot troops to the flying armored baby carriages.
[checks website, wait, it's not 4chan...]
Wait, did warp portal to 2016 opened somewhere when I wasn't looking?
Nah just there's always been that small number of people who haven't gotten over the introduction of primaris Marines. there always will be. I used to play Battletech, to this day there are people who insist anything that came after the 3025 era is garbage. and that ended in 1990.
BrianDavion wrote: Nah just there's always been that small number of people who haven't gotten over the introduction of primaris Marines. there always will be. I used to play Battletech, to this day there are people who insist anything that came after the 3025 era is garbage. and that ended in 1990.
It's almost like people have tastes and preferences, and that not everyone's tastes and preferences are driven entirely by whatever is newest and shiniest. Stunning! I must report this discovery to the Royal Society at once.
BrianDavion wrote: Nah just there's always been that small number of people who haven't gotten over the introduction of primaris Marines. there always will be. I used to play Battletech, to this day there are people who insist anything that came after the 3025 era is garbage. and that ended in 1990.
It's almost like people have tastes and preferences, and that not everyone's tastes and preferences are driven entirely by whatever is newest and shiniest. Stunning! I must report this discovery to the Royal Society at once.
there's a differance between "I'm not a fan of this" and "THIS IS HORRIABLE! IT'S AN INSULT! IF YOU LIKE THIS YOU'RE JUST A SHEEP!" etc
BrianDavion wrote: Nah just there's always been that small number of people who haven't gotten over the introduction of primaris Marines. there always will be. I used to play Battletech, to this day there are people who insist anything that came after the 3025 era is garbage. and that ended in 1990.
It's almost like people have tastes and preferences, and that not everyone's tastes and preferences are driven entirely by whatever is newest and shiniest. Stunning! I must report this discovery to the Royal Society at once.
there's a differance between "I'm not a fan of this" and "THIS IS HORRIABLE! IT'S AN INSULT! IF YOU LIKE THIS YOU'RE JUST A SHEEP!" etc
People around here really need to get into the habit of typing what they actually mean to say, rather than expecting telepathy from everyone else.
That aside, the reality is the latter sentiment is never as common as folk argue it is. What is common is people reading far more emotion and emphasis into what people they disagree with say than is actually there, in order to preserve their own mental image of "the other" as irrational and unreasonable, thus validating their own opinions. I assure you, the vast majority of what you read as spittle-flecked swivel-eyed ranting & raving is in reality just people expressing disappointment, mild annoyance, or making jokes at the expense of something they find faintly ridiculous.
I'm not a fan of Primaris lore (the little that I know of it anyway), but all the Primaris units (outside of Inceptors) look pretty sweet compared to oldmarines.
Not that I really need a new hobby project but I'm interested in buying into the Primaris scheme. Proper heavy weapon variant and assault variant would really sell the concept to me. Right now it's probably going to be Intercessors and Hellblasters only for me, IF I expand into Primaris territory. The options they can take in the SW codex is pretty much a deciding factor at this point, money or time issues notwithstanding.
I'm picking one up for the Wolves, turned all my Primaris Marines into Deathwatch anyway so some Space Wolf ones will be welcome.
I am hoping that the SW codex will have something to offer by way of flexibility in Primaris Marines
What seperates Grey Hunters from vanilla marines troops has always been a different kind of flexibility, in 7th troops kind of didn't matter but Grey Hunters had cheap, limited flexibility in exchange for the Space Wolves having a laughably limited Troops choice Grey Hunters could pack for everything.
No bikes, jump packs or heavy weapons in SW troops choice but
Your Grey Hunters can pack Bolt Pistols, Bolt Guns and Chainswords at the same time and can take a fairly deep dig into the special weapons and melee weapons armouries - it would be nice to see that on the Primaris Marines, not knowing about vanilla troops choices in 8th I hesitate to say it would be fair though.
I'm a bit concerned about the Wulfen Dread and its impact on Murderfang who is a wulfen dread himself.
Dakka Wolf wrote: I'm picking one up for the Wolves, turned all my Primaris Marines into Deathwatch anyway so some Space Wolf ones will be welcome.
I am hoping that the SW codex will have something to offer by way of flexibility in Primaris Marines
What seperates Grey Hunters from vanilla marines troops has always been a different kind of flexibility, in 7th troops kind of didn't matter but Grey Hunters had cheap, limited flexibility in exchange for the Space Wolves having a laughably limited Troops choice Grey Hunters could pack for everything.
No bikes, jump packs or heavy weapons in SW troops choice but
Your Grey Hunters can pack Bolt Pistols, Bolt Guns and Chainswords at the same time and can take a fairly deep dig into the special weapons and melee weapons armouries - it would be nice to see that on the Primaris Marines, not knowing about vanilla troops choices in 8th I hesitate to say it would be fair though.
I'm a bit concerned about the Wulfen Dread and its impact on Murderfang who is a wulfen dread himself.
well what you just outlined is why I doubt Space Wolf Primaris Marines wll get any changes, because they want "added flexability" to be the draw of the "tac squads and equivilants"
If you want basic line infantry to engage other line infantry and take and hold an objective, you take intercessors. If you want a bit of a jack of all trades flexable unit, you take Tac Squads/Grey Hunters.
It is because Wolf Priests have never been as good at healing as Apothecaries in any edition. I would love it if they were. Hell I'd buy a Primaris Apothecary in a heartbeat. The ability to get guys back up is pretty amazing.
Speaking of which, in their webstore there is Primaris Apothecary in the SW section... Has it been there for long? The PDF still says that they cannot take one... Sucks if it is just a mistake, I'm sure plenty of people will order one imagining they can use it.
Apothecaries have always been in the Space Wolves section; presumably you paint 'em black and use them as different Wolf Priests.
Apothecaries have always been in the Space Wolves section; presumably you paint 'em black and use them as different Wolf Priests.
Which there is no Primaris version of (yet). So that doesn't work. I suspect its an oversight on whomever is in charge of the website's part. Frankly if there are no Primaris Wolf Priests in the codex, I'll be surprised and concerned. Concerned that GW is just going through the motions with Codex's again and not trying to make them fluffy and fun. We know they are willing to put units in codexs that are not coming out right away again however (see Codex IK). So just because no model gets released doesn't mean they won't be in the book.
I'm still trying to figure out why the new LT has a normal Bolter though.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, these pretty much cannot be the easy build Agressors as someone was concerned about earlier. The easy builds all have their flamers extended. One of these is retracted. Easy builds don't have bare heads, these do. Easy builds have built on shoulders, these have molded on SW symbols. They might be an all new set of easy builds. But I doubt it.
Man you marine players can take a topic about some perfectly nice Genestealer Cult new sculpts and turn it into a whinefest.
Sooooo Abominant and Aberrants look amazing, assuming they are multi part and the stop sign aberrant comes from this kit too. Thats a really exciting box and great value if you can split off the marine half.
I'm down for 3 sets already. Very excited.
Man you marine players can take a topic about some perfectly nice Genestealer Cult new sculpts and turn it into a whinefest.
Not sure what you are talking about. I'm expressing my opinion, like you.
Marine kits should be pretty easy to unload. Just don't expect too high a price. Probably better if you can find someone ahead of time who wants them and will pay for half the box. w
Sneggy wrote: Man you marine players can take a topic about some perfectly nice Genestealer Cult new sculpts and turn it into a whinefest.
Sooooo Abominant and Aberrants look amazing, assuming they are multi part and the stop sign aberrant comes from this kit too. Thats a really exciting box and great value if you can split off the marine half.
I'm down for 3 sets already. Very excited.
Of course topic isn't about genestealer cult sculpts but about battle boxed set that contains those AND wolves.
BrianDavion wrote: Nah just there's always been that small number of people who haven't gotten over the introduction of primaris Marines. there always will be. I used to play Battletech, to this day there are people who insist anything that came after the 3025 era is garbage. and that ended in 1990.
It's almost like people have tastes and preferences, and that not everyone's tastes and preferences are driven entirely by whatever is newest and shiniest. Stunning! I must report this discovery to the Royal Society at once.
there's a differance between "I'm not a fan of this" and "THIS IS HORRIABLE! IT'S AN INSULT! IF YOU LIKE THIS YOU'RE JUST A SHEEP!" etc
People around here really need to get into the habit of typing what they actually mean to say, rather than expecting telepathy from everyone else.
That aside, the reality is the latter sentiment is never as common as folk argue it is. What is common is people reading far more emotion and emphasis into what people they disagree with say than is actually there, in order to preserve their own mental image of "the other" as irrational and unreasonable, thus validating their own opinions. I assure you, the vast majority of what you read as spittle-flecked swivel-eyed ranting & raving is in reality just people expressing disappointment, mild annoyance, or making jokes at the expense of something they find faintly ridiculous.
Please... let's be honest with each other. There is enough <REMOVED> over things like Primaris marines and rule changes(usually for the better) on here to start DakkaDakkas own Astronomican so aliens can know their loathing of toy soldiers.
BrianDavion wrote: Nah just there's always been that small number of people who haven't gotten over the introduction of primaris Marines. there always will be. I used to play Battletech, to this day there are people who insist anything that came after the 3025 era is garbage. and that ended in 1990.
It's almost like people have tastes and preferences, and that not everyone's tastes and preferences are driven entirely by whatever is newest and shiniest. Stunning! I must report this discovery to the Royal Society at once.
there's a differance between "I'm not a fan of this" and "THIS IS HORRIABLE! IT'S AN INSULT! IF YOU LIKE THIS YOU'RE JUST A SHEEP!" etc
People around here really need to get into the habit of typing what they actually mean to say, rather than expecting telepathy from everyone else.
That aside, the reality is the latter sentiment is never as common as folk argue it is. What is common is people reading far more emotion and emphasis into what people they disagree with say than is actually there, in order to preserve their own mental image of "the other" as irrational and unreasonable, thus validating their own opinions. I assure you, the vast majority of what you read as spittle-flecked swivel-eyed ranting & raving is in reality just people expressing disappointment, mild annoyance, or making jokes at the expense of something they find faintly ridiculous.
Please... let's be honest with each other. There is enough <REMOVED> over things like Primaris marines and rule changes(usually for the better) on here to start DakkaDakkas own Astronomican so aliens can know their loathing of toy soldiers.
Hmm.
In this hand, people who dislike things to do with their hobby and say so.
In this hand, a person who uses a disorder as a slur, right to the face of someone who has it.
Which is the bad person? I just don't know, it's impossible to tell, a complete conundrum
That high ground you've attempted to climb there looks more like a kerb.
The box wil be £90. That is a very good price and cheaper than buying either half individually.
Forgebane was 90GBP/160USD. If Tooth and Claw is 90GBP, it'll probably be 150-155USD. Assuming 150 and a 20% discount, that's only ~60 bucks per person for each half when sharing a box. Not too shabby.
The box wil be £90. That is a very good price and cheaper than buying either half individually.
Forgebane was 90GBP/160USD. If Tooth and Claw is 90GBP, it'll probably be 150-155USD. Assuming 150 and a 20% discount, that's only ~60 bucks per person for each half when sharing a box. Not too shabby.
Only thing I could immediately find at 90GBP is the Harbingers of Decay Patrol Detachment--which comes out to $145USD.
Forgebane was 90GBP/160USD. If Tooth and Claw is 90GBP, it'll probably be 150-155USD. Assuming 150 and a 20% discount, that's only ~60 bucks per person for each half when sharing a box. Not too shabby.
Based on the most recent releases Adeptus Titanicus, GWs exchange rate is 1.7 to 1.75 (warlord edition and knights respectively). That would make 90 pounds around 155.
BrianDavion wrote: Nah just there's always been that small number of people who haven't gotten over the introduction of primaris Marines. there always will be. I used to play Battletech, to this day there are people who insist anything that came after the 3025 era is garbage. and that ended in 1990.
It's almost like people have tastes and preferences, and that not everyone's tastes and preferences are driven entirely by whatever is newest and shiniest. Stunning! I must report this discovery to the Royal Society at once.
there's a differance between "I'm not a fan of this" and "THIS IS HORRIABLE! IT'S AN INSULT! IF YOU LIKE THIS YOU'RE JUST A SHEEP!" etc
People around here really need to get into the habit of typing what they actually mean to say, rather than expecting telepathy from everyone else.
That aside, the reality is the latter sentiment is never as common as folk argue it is. What is common is people reading far more emotion and emphasis into what people they disagree with say than is actually there, in order to preserve their own mental image of "the other" as irrational and unreasonable, thus validating their own opinions. I assure you, the vast majority of what you read as spittle-flecked swivel-eyed ranting & raving is in reality just people expressing disappointment, mild annoyance, or making jokes at the expense of something they find faintly ridiculous.
Please... let's be honest with each other. There is enough <REMOVED> over things like Primaris marines and rule changes(usually for the better) on here to start DakkaDakkas own Astronomican so aliens can know their loathing of toy soldiers.
Hmm.
In this hand, people who dislike things to do with their hobby and say so.
In this hand, a person who uses a disorder as a slur, right to the face of someone who has it.
Which is the bad person? I just don't know, it's impossible to tell, a complete conundrum
That high ground you've attempted to climb there looks more like a kerb.
Which is the bad person? I just don't know, it's impossible to tell, a complete conundrum
That high ground you've attempted to climb there looks more like a kerb.
Your recent posts haven't exactly been claiming the 'high ground' either, I can see /r/iamverysmart calling your name. You both might want to walk away from this one.
Yodhrin wrote: In this hand, people who dislike things to do with their hobby and say so.
In this hand, a person who uses a disorder as a slur, right to the face of someone who has it.
Which is the bad person? I just don't know, it's impossible to tell, a complete conundrum
That high ground you've attempted to climb there looks more like a kerb.
I like how you try and nitpick the way the message was presented to desperately not answer the message itself (what fallacy is that again?). He is 100% right, most primaris criticism verges so far into a deep end there is no reasonable way of addressing it. The word choice might have been kinda harsh, but I can see why people are tired of it, especially seeing 90% of "criticism" is about invented things from 4chan echo chamber that exist only in basher's imagination and thus have no possible counterarguments.
Also, 'dislike'? Seeing the 'disliking' messages were full of red mod edits, perhaps a look in mirror would be warranted. You know, straw, eye, log, etc. Do it honestly and you might climb out of that Somme era trench, and then you can start talking about high grounds
Forgebane was 90GBP/160USD. If Tooth and Claw is 90GBP, it'll probably be 150-155USD. Assuming 150 and a 20% discount, that's only ~60 bucks per person for each half when sharing a box. Not too shabby.
Based on the most recent releases Adeptus Titanicus, GWs exchange rate is 1.7 to 1.75 (warlord edition and knights respectively). That would make 90 pounds around 155.
You don't look at exchange rate, you look at product prices.
Find something that's 90GBP and then go from there.
You missed the point. finding something from 6months or a year or 5 years ago will not tell you what they will price something at now. Looking at what they mark things up recently will.
Justyn wrote: You missed the point. finding something from 6months or a year or 5 years ago will not tell you what they will price something at now. Looking at what they mark things up recently will.
Given that the price brackets themselves have changed over the years as a reflection of this, you'd think that you would understand that older products don't tend to be in the ranges of new ones.
What does this mean for the Genestealer Cult Codex? Is it coming out before the Ork Codex now? Or will GSC have to wait until after Orktober to have an updated codex for these fancy new models?
Either way I am really hoping for some news about rules for Space Wolves tomorrow. Especially if I am meant to pre-order a Codex this coming Saturday.
ArmchairArbiter wrote: What does this mean for the Genestealer Cult Codex? Is it coming out before the Ork Codex now? Or will GSC have to wait until after Orktober to have an updated codex for these fancy new models?
Either way I am really hoping for some news about rules for Space Wolves tomorrow. Especially if I am meant to pre-order a Codex this coming Saturday.
We've known that the Ork and SW codexes were coming out close together, and that the GSC Codex was coming after. We've also known that we were getting some GSC kits BEFORE the codex comes out. It was all in that article on WarCom a few.. months (?) ago.
Also, they only said that Tooth and Claw was getting it's pre-order this weekend. Nothing about the Codex as far as I have seen.
Also, they only said that Tooth and Claw was getting it's pre-order this weekend. Nothing about the Codex as far as I have seen.
Codex: Space Wolves
Next week also sees the highly anticipated Space Wolves codex land – and we think it’s safe to say the wait has been well worth it. This new codex brings the sons of Russ up-to-date with the new edition, offering them powerful faction-wide rules, Stratagems and all the great stuff you’ve come to expect from this generation of codexes.
ArmchairArbiter wrote: What does this mean for the Genestealer Cult Codex? Is it coming out before the Ork Codex now? Or will GSC have to wait until after Orktober to have an updated codex for these fancy new models?
Either way I am really hoping for some news about rules for Space Wolves tomorrow. Especially if I am meant to pre-order a Codex this coming Saturday.
We've known that the Ork and SW codexes were coming out close together, and that the GSC Codex was coming after. We've also known that we were getting some GSC kits BEFORE the codex comes out. It was all in that article on WarCom a few.. months (?) ago.
Also, they only said that Tooth and Claw was getting it's pre-order this weekend. Nothing about the Codex as far as I have seen.
Ah. I had not seen that information/news. Kind of sucks for the GSC players but at least they get something I suppose.
I believe the release of the Codex is mentioned in one of the initial articles for Tooth and Claw. Yep. Here it is. https://bit.ly/2MCT2y5
"Codex: Space Wolves
Next week also sees the highly anticipated Space Wolves codex land – and we think it’s safe to say the wait has been well worth it. "
At the beginning of the article it says "Next week a new box set will be released". So according to the article this weekend will see Tooth and Claw, Codex: Space Wolves, SW Dice and SW Datacards all go up for preorder.
Also, they only said that Tooth and Claw was getting it's pre-order this weekend. Nothing about the Codex as far as I have seen.
Codex: Space Wolves
Next week also sees the highly anticipated Space Wolves codex land – and we think it’s safe to say the wait has been well worth it. This new codex brings the sons of Russ up-to-date with the new edition, offering them powerful faction-wide rules, Stratagems and all the great stuff you’ve come to expect from this generation of codexes.
bananathug wrote: I like the extreme sculpts. Space marine characters (grimaldus and his retinue, the sanguinor with his golden abs, celestine and her wings...) just evoke the over-the-top feeling that I get from the 40k-verse. If "normal" marines are what you're after ultra-marines are mary suing all over the galaxy. I want big hair, beard braids and wolves. Some kick-butt biker dudes on choppers would be awesome (it's what I see in my head)!!
I hate to break it to you, dude, but Celestine ain't a Space Marine...
Carnikang wrote: We've known that the Ork and SW codexes were coming out close together, and that the GSC Codex was coming after. We've also known that we were getting some GSC kits BEFORE the codex comes out. It was all in that article on WarCom a few.. months (?) ago.
It was one of the things they were very clear about at the seminar at UK Games Expo (which the Warhammer Community article then followed) that there would be GSC figures - but that they were definitely not announcing their Codex yet.
While it is possible the schedule has shifted slightly - and the Ork boxed game might imply it has - Orks should still be the next book after Space Wolves.
bananathug wrote: I like the extreme sculpts. Space marine characters (grimaldus and his retinue, the sanguinor with his golden abs, celestine and her wings...) just evoke the over-the-top feeling that I get from the 40k-verse. If "normal" marines are what you're after ultra-marines are mary suing all over the galaxy. I want big hair, beard braids and wolves. Some kick-butt biker dudes on choppers would be awesome (it's what I see in my head)!!
I hate to break it to you, dude, but Celestine ain't a Space Marine...
He never said she was, he was using her as an example of some of the more extreme elements, and he's not wrong that Space Wolves in particular work best when they've got their rediculas "space viking wolf bling"
bananathug wrote: I like the extreme sculpts. Space marine characters (grimaldus and his retinue, the sanguinor with his golden abs, celestine and her wings...) just evoke the over-the-top feeling that I get from the 40k-verse. If "normal" marines are what you're after ultra-marines are mary suing all over the galaxy. I want big hair, beard braids and wolves. Some kick-butt biker dudes on choppers would be awesome (it's what I see in my head)!!
I hate to break it to you, dude, but Celestine ain't a Space Marine...
He never said she was, he was using her as an example of some of the more extreme elements, and he's not wrong that Space Wolves in particular work best when they've got their rediculas "space viking wolf bling"
Sometimes that gives you cool stuff and sometimes that gets you new Wulfen.
bananathug wrote: I like the extreme sculpts. Space marine characters (grimaldus and his retinue, the sanguinor with his golden abs, celestine and her wings...) just evoke the over-the-top feeling that I get from the 40k-verse. If "normal" marines are what you're after ultra-marines are mary suing all over the galaxy. I want big hair, beard braids and wolves. Some kick-butt biker dudes on choppers would be awesome (it's what I see in my head)!!
I hate to break it to you, dude, but Celestine ain't a Space Marine...
He never said she was, he was using her as an example of some of the more extreme elements, and he's not wrong that Space Wolves in particular work best when they've got their rediculas "space viking wolf bling"
Sometimes that gives you cool stuff and sometimes that gets you new Wulfen.
it's funny you say that, I literally just Primed a squad of Wulfen in the time between when I posted and when you replied
bananathug wrote: I like the extreme sculpts. Space marine characters (grimaldus and his retinue, the sanguinor with his golden abs, celestine and her wings...) just evoke the over-the-top feeling that I get from the 40k-verse. If "normal" marines are what you're after ultra-marines are mary suing all over the galaxy. I want big hair, beard braids and wolves. Some kick-butt biker dudes on choppers would be awesome (it's what I see in my head)!!
I hate to break it to you, dude, but Celestine ain't a Space Marine...
He never said she was, he was using her as an example of some of the more extreme elements, and he's not wrong that Space Wolves in particular work best when they've got their rediculas "space viking wolf bling"
Given that the clause before the bracketed list is "Space marine characters" - not Imperial characters, or 40k characters, but specifically Space Marine characters - yes, his text did state that Celestine is a Space Marine character.
Which, given she is a Living Saint, she most certainly is not.
bananathug wrote: I like the extreme sculpts. Space marine characters (grimaldus and his retinue, the sanguinor with his golden abs, celestine and her wings...) just evoke the over-the-top feeling that I get from the 40k-verse. If "normal" marines are what you're after ultra-marines are mary suing all over the galaxy. I want big hair, beard braids and wolves. Some kick-butt biker dudes on choppers would be awesome (it's what I see in my head)!!
I hate to break it to you, dude, but Celestine ain't a Space Marine...
He never said she was, he was using her as an example of some of the more extreme elements, and he's not wrong that Space Wolves in particular work best when they've got their rediculas "space viking wolf bling"
ArmchairArbiter wrote: What does this mean for the Genestealer Cult Codex? Is it coming out before the Ork Codex now? Or will GSC have to wait until after Orktober to have an updated codex for these fancy new models?
Here's my theory. White Dwarf takes at least 3-4 months between writing an issue and it hitting shelves. Unreleased GSC models were put out on display at WHW ~6 weeks ago then quickly removed again. That makes me think they were using various studio GSC models to take White Dwarf article photos for later this year, and put a few of the wrong ones back on display.
We now know when Orks are coming, so GSC codex in November anyone?
ArmchairArbiter wrote: What does this mean for the Genestealer Cult Codex? Is it coming out before the Ork Codex now? Or will GSC have to wait until after Orktober to have an updated codex for these fancy new models?
Here's my theory. White Dwarf takes at least 3-4 months between writing an issue and it hitting shelves. Unreleased GSC models were put out on display at WHW ~6 weeks ago then quickly removed again. That makes me think they were using various studio GSC models to take White Dwarf article photos for later this year, and put a few of the wrong ones back on display.
We now know when Orks are coming, so GSC codex in November anyone?
Or they could just be taking gsc pics for a battle spread about vigilus.
could but GSCs are supposed to be after Orks, so baring GW changing the release schedule that seems unlikely. which raises the question Orks will likely be late sept/Early Oct at the soonst (it would seem odd to release a codex and then release a ton of Ork models so unless the Ork range is getting a dark elf level release consisting of basicly 2 months worth of releases this points to Oct) which raises the question... what are we getting in septmeber? might be some new AOS stuff, kits of the new things introduced in Soul Wars, but I can't belive it would be barren of 40k
could but GSCs are supposed to be after Orks, so baring GW changing the release schedule that seems unlikely. which raises the question Orks will likely be late sept/Early Oct at the soonst (it would seem odd to release a codex and then release a ton of Ork models so unless the Ork range is getting a dark elf level release consisting of basicly 2 months worth of releases this points to Oct) which raises the question... what are we getting in septmeber? might be some new AOS stuff, kits of the new things introduced in Soul Wars, but I can't belive it would be barren of 40k
September will be Moonclan for AoS, more Killteam stuff, the Reaver Titan and maybe some bloodbowl stuff. We also have the middle earth box coming late August/early September.
could but GSCs are supposed to be after Orks, so baring GW changing the release schedule that seems unlikely. which raises the question Orks will likely be late sept/Early Oct at the soonst (it would seem odd to release a codex and then release a ton of Ork models so unless the Ork range is getting a dark elf level release consisting of basicly 2 months worth of releases this points to Oct) which raises the question... what are we getting in septmeber? might be some new AOS stuff, kits of the new things introduced in Soul Wars, but I can't belive it would be barren of 40k
September will be Moonclan for AoS, more Killteam stuff, the Reaver Titan and maybe some bloodbowl stuff. We also have the middle earth box coming late August/early September.
While it is possible the schedule has shifted slightly - and the Ork boxed game might imply it has - Orks should still be the next book after Space Wolves.
Not really. Ork boxed game that uses different rules to 40k(and ergo isn't dependant on codex) doesn't mean codex would be on same time. Actually IMO it puts it MORE likely codex does not come on october as not to compete with ork players purchaces with codex(plus possible models) and box set. Have them separate months and they don't fight each other for sales.
No. GSC codex isn't even revealed to be on next batch. Next 2 codexes are wolves and orks. What are next we don't know more than GSC is likely but even that's not confirmed.
While it is possible the schedule has shifted slightly - and the Ork boxed game might imply it has - Orks should still be the next book after Space Wolves.
Not really. Ork boxed game that uses different rules to 40k(and ergo isn't dependant on codex) doesn't mean codex would be on same time. Actually IMO it puts it MORE likely codex does not come on october as not to compete with ork players purchaces with codex(plus possible models) and box set. Have them separate months and they don't fight each other for sales.
Yeah, I'm only at a might on the slip - the 3 Month Rule still covers 01/09, so I wouldn't be shocked if Codex: Orks went up for either release or pre-order on that date.
Well we have warhammerFest Europe this weekend which may reveal some more information.
I was also speaking to the rules writers at Warhammerfest UK and they suggested Genestealer Cult might be sooner than we think.
I'm cautiously optimistic it might sneak between space wolves next week and Orktober. Realistically what will they be releasing? All the new models are in tooth and claw so just a reboxing of those, book, codex, cards isn't too tricky to fit into the schedule.
Sneggy wrote: Well we have warhammerFest Europe this weekend which may reveal some more information.
I was also speaking to the rules writers at Warhammerfest UK and they suggested Genestealer Cult might be sooner than we think.
I'm cautiously optimistic it might sneak between space wolves next week and Orktober. Realistically what will they be releasing? All the new models are in tooth and claw so just a reboxing of those, book, codex, cards isn't too tricky to fit into the schedule.
I could see the relese schedule having been changed, perhaps due to an issue with speek freaks where the original plan was Orks + Speed Freaks, Space Wolves+ Tooth and Claw, then GSCs. but no I suspect whatever happens the plan hasn't changed
Sneggy wrote: Well we have warhammerFest Europe this weekend which may reveal some more information.
I was also speaking to the rules writers at Warhammerfest UK and they suggested Genestealer Cult might be sooner than we think.
I'm cautiously optimistic it might sneak between space wolves next week and Orktober. Realistically what will they be releasing? All the new models are in tooth and claw so just a reboxing of those, book, codex, cards isn't too tricky to fit into the schedule.
Sigh. GW flat out tells people what next two codexes are. People keep inventing new codex instead in there because that faction gets models when GW bloody hell tells that faction gets models before codex.
What about those of us who don't care about competitive play and only want to build cool thematic armies, using the miniatures that we personally like?
Saying " I hope the box flops" is a lot like saying "I hope the safety on my shotgun malfunctions when I'm cleaning it later."
Dude! Didn't you get the memo? Self-entitled bitterness is all the rage these days. It's ok, though. I'll buy three or four boxes to make up for a couple of them.
BrianDavion wrote: I suspect GSC will be the last codex of the year. 2019'll be an intreasting year, aside from sisters, we're pretty much in terra incognito.
I've heard a few whispers about a Inquisition / Imperial Agent codex that ties in with the new Kill Team focused content - especially Rogue Trader that comes with death cult assassins. That codex may well land this year too.
Glad they added some units (though still no Centurions ... :( )
chapter tactics ... hmm. Characters Heroically intervening 6" can be cool. Rest might be a weaker version of Red Thirst? Would've been great in the 6 months pre-Knight Codex though.
Wulfen Dreads with Blizzard Shields. Much as I hate the idea of Wulfen Dreads, they should be bad ass on the field.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And the changes to the Great Axe, Two attacks that do 1damage for each A, or -1 to hit and d6 damage.... nice.
Automatically Appended Next Post: If they actually gave Murderfang a few extra attacks that should put him at 7 or 8. Enough to be worth considering taking him.
Justyn wrote: Wulfen Dreads with Blizzard Shields. Much as I hate the idea of Wulfen Dreads, they should be bad ass on the field.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And the changes to the Great Axe, Two attacks that do 1damage for each A, or -1 to hit and d6 damage.... nice.
Automatically Appended Next Post: If they actually gave Murderfang a few extra attacks that should put him at 7 or 8. Enough to be worth considering taking him.
I'm going to buy one and slip a dogmeat 28mm into the slot the marine's head normally goes. It's going to be my puppy murder-bot!
New video showing some closeups of the Space Wolves and the new bits with them confirming that they're from a (new) upgrade sprue. It looks like at least one has access to a chainsword but I'm not sure if that is the sergeant equivalent (wolf guard) or a general option for all. My guess is the sergeant/wolf guard only since I only see one but I guess we'll find out (hopefully) on Friday with the next preview.
That is the Sergeant, not wolf guard, they are two different things. The Sergeant has had the ability to take a Chainsword, but no Power Weapon. Non Primaris squads get a Sergeant, and the option of a Wolf Guard Hero. It would be nice if they add that option in the Codex, but I don't expect it.
The GSC stuff is cool. Not my taste but any time anyone outside of the imperium gets new models I think it's a win.
The space-wolf stuff on the other hand...They pretty much say it's the DI stuff with a few upgrade sprues thrown in. Exactly my problem and why I hope the box fails (sorry if you take this personally like I want you to shoot yourself?). It's a house flipper charging a premium for a dump that they just slapped a coat of paint on while claiming a "craftsman style home" and wanting that price for. It's still a McMansion no matter what backsplash you use. I'd rather GW not get rewarded for such lazy releases. If it sells like hot-cakes then they won't get pushed to be more creative/risky in their design/marketing (compare these to the new ork buggies which look AWESOME!!) I'm probably expecting too much too soon as we've gotten more kits this release quicker than I can remember but I would have rather seen new orks as the other half of this box than recycled marines with some new sprues.
Of course celestine isn't a space marine, but I was just looking at my shelf and thinking of the minis I enjoyed painting and still enjoy looking at. I guess I could have replaced her with the primaris Chaplin but he is on my other painting table and wasn't in LOS. Good call on the DA LT but at 25 bucks a pop I'm not making infantry squads out of him (but I will get one to paint because he looks like a fun guy).
I also like the custode bikes (not the guard or termies though) as the level and size of the detail on the models really works for me. Not too busy so that my eyes glaze over and it looks messy (guilliman/centurians) but not too austere/bulky so it looks like a kids toy (redemptor dread).
I would like for more difference between the chapters than just a paint job. It leads to weird situations where GW is enforcing paint scheme rules instead of relying on actual differences between armies. Hopefully SW get some new and exciting sculpts that add to the feel of SW (whatever that means to you).
There's enough design space for wolfie-mcwolf face on a wolf wearing a wolf wielding a wolf and some grim dark viking dudes swinging axes. I'd just like GW to not slap a coat of paint on something and call it new/fresh and just repackaging the DI set and throwing in some upgrade sprues seems to be a disservice to an army with so much space for so much cool stuff...
Not a fan of that. Playing variant marines meant your special snowflakes are better in thing X at the expense of being worse in Y. These days? GW's drive to sell as many kits as possible handed pretty much all Codex unique units to one trick ponies making them frakking masters of everything* and pretty much SM 2.0 due to have all the special toys of Codex chapters plus a pile of their own unique on top of that. The whole point of Codex was making the chapters more versatile, when SM will finally get rule writer who gets that and makes them better at something?
*Before someone nitpicks, yes, they might not strictly get everything but what they miss is pretty much 1-2 units that is either terrible on tabletop or something the deviant's unique units do better. Woo.
Not a fan of that. Playing variant marines meant your special snowflakes are better in thing X at the expense of being worse in Y. These days? GW's drive to sell as many kits as possible handed pretty much all Codex unique units to one trick ponies making them frakking masters of everything* and pretty much SM 2.0 due to have all the special toys of Codex chapters plus a pile of their own unique on top of that. The whole point of Codex was making the chapters more versatile, when SM will finally get rule writer who gets that and makes them better at something?
As a die hard SW player, I completely agree with this. This is just a move to sell more kits. Not we think you needed that. The Cataphracti and Tartaros armors and Contemptors are the only things I agree with getting. They are Heresy or Pre Heresy era gear and SW should have a few kicking around. That said I suspect their Datasheets will only include the wargear available on their kits. So I will continue using my Tartaros Termies as normal termies because Tartaros don't have the options mine are equipped with.
Ghaz wrote: From the Warhammer 40,000 Facebook page:
Spoiler:
With 11 different heads and a choice of weapons in the kit, no two models you build need to look the same
The only "choice" of weapon in that kit is to replace the hammer with the stop sign. And they will all look the same except for a slightly different heads.
The GSC stuff is cool. Not my taste but any time anyone outside of the imperium gets new models I think it's a win.
The space-wolf stuff on the other hand...They pretty much say it's the DI stuff with a few upgrade sprues thrown in. Exactly my problem and why I hope the box fails (sorry if you take this personally like I want you to shoot yourself?). It's a house flipper charging a premium for a dump that they just slapped a coat of paint on while claiming a "craftsman style home" and wanting that price for. It's still a McMansion no matter what backsplash you use. I'd rather GW not get rewarded for such lazy releases. If it sells like hot-cakes then they won't get pushed to be more creative/risky in their design/marketing (compare these to the new ork buggies which look AWESOME!!) I'm probably expecting too much too soon as we've gotten more kits this release quicker than I can remember but I would have rather seen new orks as the other half of this box than recycled marines with some new sprues.
Of course celestine isn't a space marine, but I was just looking at my shelf and thinking of the minis I enjoyed painting and still enjoy looking at. I guess I could have replaced her with the primaris Chaplin but he is on my other painting table and wasn't in LOS. Good call on the DA LT but at 25 bucks a pop I'm not making infantry squads out of him (but I will get one to paint because he looks like a fun guy).
I also like the custode bikes (not the guard or termies though) as the level and size of the detail on the models really works for me. Not too busy so that my eyes glaze over and it looks messy (guilliman/centurians) but not too austere/bulky so it looks like a kids toy (redemptor dread).
I would like for more difference between the chapters than just a paint job. It leads to weird situations where GW is enforcing paint scheme rules instead of relying on actual differences between armies. Hopefully SW get some new and exciting sculpts that add to the feel of SW (whatever that means to you).
There's enough design space for wolfie-mcwolf face on a wolf wearing a wolf wielding a wolf and some grim dark viking dudes swinging axes. I'd just like GW to not slap a coat of paint on something and call it new/fresh and just repackaging the DI set and throwing in some upgrade sprues seems to be a disservice to an army with so much space for so much cool stuff...
it's a space marine with some upgrade bits..... ya know EXACTLY like a Grey Hunter is, or a Long Fang is, Or a Skyclaw is, or... well you get my meaning. There are in codex space Wovles a grand total of maybe 4 or 5 units that aren't just Marines with an upgrade kit. and of those, most are pretty new (and received complaints of flanderization)
With 11 different heads and a choice of weapons in the kit, no two models you build need to look the same
The only "choice" of weapon in that kit is to replace the hammer with the stop sign. And they will all look the same except for a slightly different heads.
Not really. There're three examples shown, none of them with a two-handed weapon - but there're four in the kit. The pair of arms with the scything talon isn't used either.
Justyn wrote: I find just one or two bits work best for any unit. More than that is too ott for me.
That said I hope they show a picture of the Upgrade Sprue soon. I'm ready to be disappointed.
Sounds like you've already made up your mind
That said looking at the other chapter upgrade sprues we can make an educated guess, the sprue will have 6 space wolf "infantry shoulder pads" 3 gravis shoulder pads, 3 heads, and about a half dozen bits and bobs to personalize a marine. this should be eneugh, especially as most space wolf players are proably swimming in bits and peices from things like space wolf packs. I know I am
That said looking at the other chapter upgrade sprues we can make an educated guess, the sprue will have 6 space wolf "infantry shoulder pads" 3 gravis shoulder pads, 3 heads, and about a half dozen bits and bobs to personalize a marine. this should be eneugh, especially as most space wolf players are proably swimming in bits and peices from things like space wolf packs. I know I am
Yeah that would be disappointing. It is what I also expect. However, We already have an upgrade sprue of Blackmane shoulder pads with a few bits and bobs. I was hoping for Primaris sized arms with a Frost Sword or Axe, a Power Sword or axe, and a chainsword. Oh well ebay will net me Reiver arms.
That said looking at the other chapter upgrade sprues we can make an educated guess, the sprue will have 6 space wolf "infantry shoulder pads" 3 gravis shoulder pads, 3 heads, and about a half dozen bits and bobs to personalize a marine. this should be eneugh, especially as most space wolf players are proably swimming in bits and peices from things like space wolf packs. I know I am
Yeah that would be disappointing. It is what I also expect. However, We already have an upgrade sprue of Blackmane shoulder pads with a few bits and bobs. I was hoping for Primaris sized arms with a Frost Sword or Axe, a Power Sword or axe, and a chainsword. Oh well ebay will net me Reiver arms.
we should get a sword of some nature, given that our HQs initally where rules as taking chain swords only my money says it'll have a chainsword sprue.
Just having access to most of the regular stuff while Primaris coming as they are is the wort they could have done
I fear that because we now have an LSS and Scout Bikers, there will be no special rules for our Veteran Scouts over those from other Marines because Reavers take that job now, but in the same way like in the other codex.
And Primaris won't be adopted to the special organisation the SW have
So the main difference between Blood Angles and Space Wolves will be colour and that Wulfen and Death Company have a different name
I find it interesting that the Aberrants managed to fit on a single sprue. Have there been any other infantry releases in recent memory where that was the case? I wonder if there isn't a second sprue with parts for an alternate build waiting for the codex release...
In either case, looks like there will always be a minimum of 2 Picks in the squad, but the leader gets to choose between the sign or a hammer and two of the grunts get to choose between a pick or a hammer. Also looks like there are arm options to build the center Hammer posed down or held over the head which should help add some variety.
So the main difference between Blood Angles and Space Wolves will be colour and that Wulfen and Death Company have a different name
Sounds like a good direction to me. Perhaps in the next edition they can go a step further and unite them all under a single codex.
I suspect we'll see the oppisite. the basic core of Primaris has been eistablished, future editions will likely gradiually faction focus them. my guess is where Primaris are concerned the big differance could be their vetern units. Ultramarines (and other codex followers) for example might employ a sort of "super sternguard" Space Wolves I dunno maybe some sort of bezekrer Primaris, Blood angels, maybe a inceptor with power weapons. Dark Angels, a super terminator. etc.
I'm really looking forward to this set. I held off buying expensive abberants on ebay, or converting my own, so I'm ready to get some new models for sure. Plus more Acolyte hybrids, and another icon bearer is cool (though I'll have to come up with a different icon for this guy). I have a boatload of old purestrains, but they're all VERY old (I think I got most with the Tyrannid attack board game... ), so getting some that have different build options (like feeder tendrils and scything talons) will be useful.
I've got a very 'classic' Space wolves army, so I can throw these pups in there. Although I never got a Redemptor, or any aggressors for my Salamanders, so I'm quite happy to see both in this set.
As a GSC player, I am very pleased to see these guys pop up, but I'm happy to wait for my Ork pals to get their stuff first. It seems based on the background, that orks are deffo in this conflict. If they have Ork hybrids, I will be VERY pleased. Perhaps I can slap some of the extra Abberant heads/arms/etc on some ork bodes to make that work.
Phil Kelly also mentions that, aside from the Genestealer Cults, and the Orks, "Various cults have risen up in the darkness as well". Chaos renegades? (they did remove a lot of them from Forgeworld just recently) Eldar Ynnari cults? (they still need a codex, right?) It could be a reference to the special release plague marines too.
Ditto with enclosed helmets, it was exposed head on jump marines that looked colossally stupid. First landing and the 
Perhaps I can slap some of the extra Abberant heads/arms/etc on some ork bodes to make that work.
