Now there is one thread on this topic already, and it does cover some of the information below from the experiences of others, but such information is buried in a general thread on Warhammer 40000 Conquest in News and Rumours.
For the general information thread:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751837.page

I am starting my own thread here which is part blog as it covers my experiences so far with the subscription and retail purchases, plus relevant warning information I think is best not buried deep in another thread. I will also be repeating some basic introductory information and links. So here we go.


Part A
What is Warhammer 40000 Conquest?

Here is the website:
https://www.warhammer40000conquest.com

Here is the current TV run advert:


- The exclusive Space Marine miniature is shown in this video. More on him later.

Here is the intro video to what appears will be an ongoing video accompanyment:


- I dont know if this is presented by Hachette of by GW itself.

Now we are on the same page, more or less. It helps to know what is up before you scratch the surface.


What will you get if you buy?

This is a tricky one as we dont know for absolute sure. The best information comes from a breakdown of this first image:

Folder 1: VISUAL CONTENTS OF WARHAMMER 40K CONQUEST


Lists have been made of the contents from what can be gleaned from these images. I will relist the contents assessment by Vincent Knotley on his blog site which I will link to as courtesy.
https://vincentknotley.wordpress.com

Folder 2: MINIATURES CONTENTS OF WARHAMMER 40K CONQUEST


Estimated value of the miniatures £884 (£876+ plus exclusive miniature)
Mr Knotley estimates the value on miniatures at £876, though that rounds down many elements and does not give a price for the exclusive miniature. The exclusive Primaris officer will be available in issue 5, which is the first non retail issue
It could just as easily be available to anyone who buys issue 5 (or whatever) subscriber or not. In which case he is literally worth £7.99, at least until he hits eBay. i have added £8 to the value as a fair estimate.

Estimated value of the paints. £97.10
There are 27 standard 12ml paints plus 6 larger pots. It is hard to add a 'worth' to these paints as Gw paints are artifically expensive, but we can at least have an estimate on the cost. Regular pots cost £2.55 and large pots cost £4.55. This is only itself an estimate as there as at least one paint that nominally costs more, metallics like Retributor Armour cost £3.50
Assuming the known pot of Retributor armour is the only non standard paint the total comes to 1x £3.50 + 26x £2.55 + 6x £4.55 a total of £97.10

Estimated value of the hobby tools. £23.95+ (plus approx £11)
The subscription gifts include:
1x Painting handle £5,
4x paint brushes: Starter brush (no price - low estimate £3), Large Base Brush £5.25, Small Layer brush £4.45, Medium Shade brush £4.75
1x Clippers: (no price - low estimate £5) this is an older clipper no longer sold by GW, the current one is £20
1x mouldline remover: (no price - low estimate £3) this is an older mouldline remover the current one is £10.50
1x Plastic glue £4.50
1x A2 poster: (free)
1x A4 binder with dividers: (no price)

Estimated cost of subscription £622.21
First issues - £1.99
Second issue - £4.99
Third issue - free to subscribers
Fourth to eightieth issues - £7.99 each (may be subject to change?)

Retail value saving £382.84
Total cost £1005.05 plus unknown value of old style clippers, standard brush and A4 binder (omitted from net total)

Reseller value saving estimate £194.43
20% discount plus free shipping assumed = £797.64, plus £11 added for old style clipper, mouldline remover and standard brush. Exclusive miniature remains at £8.

It is up to you how good a deal that is. If these are not the armies you wanted it will be less of a deal than £622 spent on exactly what you want, and some essential items such as the brushes other than the starter brush will not be available to you until six months after you start your subscription, handy if you need a replacement set of brushes, but not good to tide you over without additional purchase. On the other hand I hear very nice things about the old mouldline remover, and you will get that item in your first delivery along with a brush, the glue and clippers.


Premium Subscription


You can pay £1.50 extra per issue to upgrade to Premium. Issue 3 is still free for Premium subscribers, thus the total cost of Premium is £118.50 for the full subscription run of eighty issues, though if the last issue with premium is issue 70 (according to Hachette customer services see below) there is not reason not to cancel premium from that point onwards saying £15, new amended total of £103.50 . What do you get for c£100? Truth is we do not know, we aren't even sure when let alone what we will get. However comments from Hachette Publishing implied they were all battlemat related.
The Issue 1 poster reverse says "Subscribe Now! Collect 4 exclusive preium kits, each including - Conquest Storage Box, Data Cards, Conquest Dice, Punch Tokens and Heavy Duty Play Mat."
This is backed up by the Warhammer Community company blog:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/08/29/begin-your-conquest-today/

You can also choose a premium subscription, which includes an additional box of goodies for each of the four warzones that will be covered over the course of the series, including datacards, exclusive dice, a sheet of pop-out card tokens and a fold-out gaming board.

Thus it makes sense to assume that the four premium boxsets are all terrain related, plus game aids as there are four sets of 'Premium Wargear' and the campaign included has 'four warzones' to fight over. I like at least that there is an ongoing campaign, but cardstock battlemats are all well and good. The four cardstock mats might together make one battlezone and the £118.50 premium might be little more than Moon Base Clavius (which contains four mats of similar size and costs £50), possibly without the platic components Moon base Clavius contains.

Now I ordered a Premium subscription and on looking deeper into Warhammer 40000 Conquest, contacted customer services earlier this week to ask about to find out what was in it.
It is rather vague, the customer services people didn't know beyond the contents of the first box. The customer services person also had a different time window to the website, first box is at 10, second with 30, third with issue 50 and fourth with 70. The T&C and Hachette website has different listing, and there is a typo in the T&C, which is odd. Listing Premium bonus as first box in issues 15-18, next 27-30 (27-20 in the T&C) then "every five issues thereafter".
I find the customers services time window to be more plausible, where the last two premium boxsets in five issue intervals after issue 30 there is either no point in subscribing to Premium after issue 40 or there is a continuous benefit.
So far I have yet to ascertain which info is correct. However the T&C did state that those cancelling Premium down to a regular subscription will get a miniature in part payment of any portion owed, which later was ammended.

Tip on Premium subscription: The thing to note here is that partwork premium purchases have the opposite effect as crowdfunding premium purchases for miniatures gamers. Gamers are used to premium upgrades, particularly on kickstarter where the premium offer contains the most stuff, often substantially more than basic subscription sand is a better material deal. Partworks often have the opposite thnking beghind them, are for 'whales' and offer considerably less value for money. So far I have seen what amounts to plastic components for my Conquest armies, and I question whether the components are worth the money spent. Counters and data cards are hard to estimate a value for as GW doesnt usually make them, and data cards are normally valid only for the army collected, not the faction as a whole so if you expand your armies later you may have gaps in card coverage and counter coverage which will destroy the unifirm effect you are getting from the extra components.
Maybe the later Premium Wargear boxsets will onclude a full copy of the Rulebook (it has everything else from Dark Imperium so why not), but I cannot assume that. I cannot in fact assume anything including when it will arrive. As a result I cannot recommend you buy Premium.


Retail Purchase

Currently Warhammer 40000 Conquest is available from WHSmith and Games Workshop stores amongst places, and the gaming community has certainly noticed.
Issue 1 comes with 3 easy to build Primaris Intercessors (£10) the starter brush (£?)and three paints Retributor Armour (£3.50), Abaddon Black £2.55) and Macragge Blue (£2.55) plus the magazine and A2 poster all for £1.99.
Talk about blood in the water. WHSmith was out of stock within 24 hours nationwide and customers in GW were only able to get copies where savvy management limited stock to one per customer. I could see this coming but was not well on Wednesday.
Many copies immediately reappeared on ebay as a whole or broken up and some online admitted to buying up entire newsagents stock to do so. I myself wanted a total of five copies (four retail plus one subscription) so I could have three squads of five intercessors. So far I have one, plus my subscription.
Partwork magazines normally retail only for a limited time. This partwork appears to be no different. GW confirmed they will only have shelf stock for issues 1 through 4, the idea of retail copies is to plug the subscription. Also it is TV advertised, which is quite usual for starts of partwork campaigns and indicative of a short, high intensity, publicity window. There will come a time very soon when your newsagents can no longer stock the retail issues and only provide reserved subscriber copies. In fact as of today Hachette Publishing has listed Issue 1 as out of stock.
So you will need to approach Hachette then to get extra copies. The company will quickly tire of being the de facto provider of Retributor Armour paint, and may soon limit copies to subscriptions only . I doubt they could even afford to sell issue 1 at £4.99 long term.
In any case there is a hefty markup of £2 on directly ordered single 'back' copies, check the small print. So those saying that people who miss out on retail copies "should mail order" should note that it doubles the price to do so, if they can at all.
The more people who buy up large numbers of copies the faster this bonanza will end. However I wont assume that will stop anyone buying, but when you do consider holding a copy or two sealed for a mate who misses out later. Sooner or later new subscribers will only be able to get one copy of issue 1, via direct subscription, and they will ideally need two copies of issue 1 to get the essential core paints in the quantity required to complete the whole campaign.
If it remains openly available at all, in all likelihood Issue 1 & 2 will become a combo pack at £7.99. That is still a very good intro deal for a partwork but takes the sting out of Hachettes profit margin losses.
Please note that Hachette partworks is not a gaming company, this is a new market for them, normally they do knitting kit partworks and balsa wood craft kit partworks. Grannies are not going to frenzy for ten copies of issue 1 because it has three balls of yarn and a new knitting needle for £1.99; gamers on the other hand behave very differently to what they might have expected.
I was expecting Hachette to run out of copies quickly and indeed this is how it has played out. There may be a restock but Hachette must reserve compies for actual subscriptions. In any case according to WSmiths managers, who deal with partwork magazines all the time the initial retail runs normally are stocked for two weeks each and normally only the first few copies. Technically Warhammer 40000 Conquest will be expected to be available in retail for one more week. I doubt we will be that lucky.
Issue 2 will be out very soon. This contains 3 easy to build Plague Marines (£10), six dice (£?) and a pot of Death Guard paint (£2.55) for £4.99. Still a good bargain, and I recommend subscribers to buy an additional copy to have enough paint and to fill out the extra squad to a usable number.


Separate mail order purchases

Once copies of the magazine have been distributed they join Hachettes backstock catalogue. This will mean that some issues will contain models that are worth more than others, all at a flat rate of £7.99. I suggest you keep an eye out for those here:
https://hachettepartworks.com/warhammer-40000-conquest
I have looked for info on Hachettes policy on restocks and have emailed them. I will be updating this thread with information gleaned from their reply.


Overseas Subscriptions

Hachette lists this project as available for subscription only from the UK and Ireland, Brexit might have something to do with the specificity of availability. Though it could just be that Hachette has offices only in those two countries.
However the inside cover of Issue One has a column of company info, credits and sundry. Part of this is a list of Hachette affiliate companies. There is a good chance Hachette simply copy pastes this into all its magazines as standard and yet this project is still only available in the UK and Ireland. However that is only Hachette, not Hachette affiliates, and why list an Australian company and phone details in a magazine not available in Australia?
Here is my transcript of the section in full, word for word and triple checked:

CUSTOMER SERVICE, SUBSCRIPTIONS & BACK ORDERS IN OVERSEAS MARKETS

Australia
visit www.bissettmags.com.au or alternatively call (03) 9872 4000

New Zealand
email: info@mycollectables.co.nz or alternatively call (09) 928 4493

South Africa
visit: www.jacklin.co.za or alternatively call (011) 265 4309

There is a chance Hachette has immunity from GW beyond EU trade policy, you are de facto buying a Hachette product of Citadel miniatures not a Games Workshop product.. It could be that GW contract with Hachette restricts sale to UK and Ireland and companies selling in Uk and Ireland in contract, it could be that the above companies have a negotiated right to part order for customers of theirs from Hachette, in which case you might be able to buy subscriptions from Australia, New Zealand or South Africa by the back door.
I cannot guarantee this will work or what extra mark up is added, but its worth a shot yes! And if this allows gamers down under to break through the pricewall more power to you.
What might happen is that the above companies buy bulk from Hachette for resale, very likely echoing a third party subscriber through thier own subscription system, in which case a markup is inevitable. It is highly unlikely the above companies print product themselves, and they would still have to get Citadel components in, which isn't going to happen, so the former is more likely. assuming you can order at all.

My research into the three companies has led me to the following.

Contact General Info
https://hachettepartworks.com/home/contact

Australia
Bissett Mags has stopped trading as of June this year. This still makes sense as the issues we see today are echoes of a print run from early this year when Bissett was trading. Australian customers should contact Hachette and ask if there is a replacement supplier for Hachette Partworks in Australia on the same number as above.
The Hachette webpage has the following info on Australia:

Customer Care Centre – Subscription / Enquiries / Back issues call (03) 9872 4000 or write to: Hachette, PO Box 3460, NUNAWADING VIC 3131
For back issues, please enclose payment of the cover price, plus $1.65 inc GST per issue postage and handling. Back issues are subject to availability.
Alternatively, back issues can be ordered from your newsagent.

New Zealand
The link appears to be working:
https://www.mycollectables.co.nz/contact-us/

For back issues, ask your local magazine retailer or write to: Netlink, PO Box 47906, Ponsonby, Auckland.

South Africa
Jacklin is trading:
https://www.jacklin.co.za
They have Hachette Partworks stock but not links to Warhammer 40000 Conquest. Hachettes own customer services is in South africa, maybe there is a way to get stock too?


Overseas Sales by the Back Door

There are parcel forwarding services available in the Uk. They have no restriction based on GW contract, only by Uk law.

You could contact one of the following companies or others and ask for a redelivery set up.
https://www.forward2me.com
https://www.outpostsvc.com

The above is by no means an exhaustive list and i cannot give any recommendations of one company over another.
As reshipping will be fixed rate it would make a lot of sense for the forwarding company to echo several subscriptions at once and then ship them abroad. in which case after ascertaining whether a forwarding company is willing to have subscriptions shipped to their office you could ask friends to join you in making the cost worthwhile.
This whole procedure is very high risk, you will have forwarding company handling fees customs, plus delays, it will also mess things up if members of your syndicate choose to cancel their subscriptions unilaterally. I mention this as a possibility as the markup might counteract the discount to round out to a good price to destinations outside the UK, but I have to ask if you really want this product this badly.


My tips for collectors.

A. Other than multiple retail copies of Issue One at £1.99, there are two sweet spots for subscription/purchase:

1. Do the whole thing without Premium up to issue 80. I dont think Premium is worth it. Though as and other have worked out the general run is worth the price. Methinks the company makes its best profit out of Premium, it doesnt offer much, and it's for 'whales'.

2. Do a subscription but cancel after your first delivery.
Note that the subscription gifts are for deliveries not issues. Some commentators have listed the benefits as issue linked. We get 'monthly' (4 weekly) deliveries, IIRC it is weekly if you collect from your newsagent. So the final subscription reward, the brushes you get at 'month' 7.
I asked customer services about the free issue, it is Issue 3, the first full priced one. This is also the first issue in the second delivery as the intial delivery only contains issues 1 and 2.
Therefore one can subscribe and get one delivery of Issues 1 and 2, four paints, a paint brush, and six minis, and the clippers glue and mouldline remover and it costs £8.
This is worthwhile even if the two armies do not interest you, and the copy of Issue 1 is guaranteed and availability wont as easily expire.
Note the section below on cancellation though.

B. If you see a copy of Issue One on a shelf anywhere, just buy it. Buy it even if you have stopped collecting 40K or don't like Primaris, give it to a buddy who does.


Part B
Issues with Warhammer 40000 Conquest

Other than what I believe to be a miscalculation on Hachette Publishing's part on Issue One and the typo in the confusing details regarding Premium content in the T&C, I have some misgivings over the last week with regards to this project.


Subscription irregularities

Initially I ordered a Premium subscription and asked about to find out what was in it. It was rather vague and I decided on the strength of this to downgrade and found I could not. To cancel you need to print out a form and send it. It does say you can phone or email but doesn't give a number/address for either. This got my attention as it is illegal to make it harder to cancel than it is to sign up for a subscription. I have no customer number (that will apparently arrive in a few days). I could cancel my Direct Debit (so I am personally ok) but I think the structure is worth investigating anyway.
Especially on reading this:
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.hachettepartworks.com

For example:

"I have never recieved an invoice from them so was unable to provide them with my Subscription number and was unable to locate any corrospondance from them which would provide me with that referance."

I do not have any subscription details, for any other subscriber, do you?

Some Hachette customers have had problems cancelling one saying she was ignored by customer services. Allowing for the inability to simply cancel on the website, and with how it is illegal to obfuscate cancellation terms and action, I find the correlation with other customer who have had problems worrying.

Now the product looks good, and I do want my subscription, but things may not be all well with Hachette.

Please note that I an currently unable to downgrade my subscription from premium, which is serious enough in my eyes. I am covered currently under the UK laws on distance selling, for the next two weeks after my sign up, so I will go through the motions on how to cancel though Hachette's system. It says I can cancel anytime on the how to page when I signed up, but it doesn't actually appear to be the case. I will notify you here if I have further trouble, though it may pay for other subscribers to do your own research and find out for yourselves.


On the 28 day cancellation notice timer.

Some people on Dakka have complained about the 28 days notice for cancellation. I have some comments on this.
First the 28 days notice is included in the general T&C found on the website:

https://hachettepartworks.com/home/terms#_ga=2.112306764.956072756.1536109971-2116318758.1535287016

It is also in the FAQ under 'How do I cancel my subscription?':

https://www.warhammer40000conquest.com/contact/


However where it is NOT is in the actual T&C you can read before signing. Here is a full unedited transcript, though in part highlighted by me.

Folder 3: SUBSCRIPTION PAGE T&C


Immediately after the above document is the green Subscribe button.

There is nothing else in regards to terms and conditions visible before you actually subscribe on the webpage. Therefore the above terms are the T&C subscribed to. Check this for yourself by going to:
https://www.warhammer40000conquest.com
Clicking subscribe now and adding a phantom name and address, or your own to get to page three. It is safe to do this, you can back out safely by hitting the back button and it will not finalise any payment. Don't take my word for it on legal issues, please see for yourself that the legal agreement you would have agreed to does not include any 28 day wait, and in fact the terms agreed claim that you can cancel at any time (highlighted in bold above).

This is not just a legal technicality, in my case I did read the small print in full, prior to subscribing, as I would advise anyone to do when signing a contract. I was unaware of the 28 day timer on cancellations until I visited Dakka.


Tip with Cancellations

If you sign up for this product please do so via Direct Debit.

If you sign up with Direct Debit you will have de facto control over your subscription. If you decided to cancel inform Hachette by email and keep a copy and cancel your Direct Debit they can only appeal for your monies via the Banking ombudsman, wheras if you set up withought a direct Debit, you will have signed what is known as a continuous authority you will have to appeal to Hachette staff to cancel. To cancel outside of Hachettes permission your bank will have to approach the banking ombudsman for you. In either case please keep a copy of the T&C you actually signed for as evidence and consult your bank manager before taking direct action on cancellations outside the 28 day window.

Also note that the website has changed over the last week. A few days ago the page on cancellations directed customers to a print out form to send to Hachette Publishing. This was in fact illegal as under Distance trading regulations in the UK it is illegal to highlight methodologies of cancellation that were not needed to subscibe, i.e. it is illegal to make it more difficult to cancel than it is to subscribe, and as subscriptions can be actioned online, so must cancellations be.

It is possible that the 28 day timer stipulation was not on the webpage when I signed up last week, as I would very likely have noticed that, as I am thorough on these issues [as you can tell from this post]. It could also explain why the actual T&C doesn't include reference to this, AFAIK it is illegal to retroactively change a T&C without formal notification and some changes such as extra hurdles in cancellation cannot be retroactively applied to existing customers.

Any attempt to force me to a 28 day timer on cancellation will be met by a cancellation via the Direct Debit system. Direct Debits are fully under the customers control, one can cancel them anytime via notifying your bank. A creditor can appeal against this for compensation but cannot stop you from cancelling as and of itself. The banking ombudsman rather than Hachette Publishing will adjudicate the matter.

Downgrading from Premium does not appear to have any attached timer, though you only get refunded multiples of £1.50 for yet undelivered

Possible hidden costs

The customer service team member I spoke to was quite forthright when I quizzed him on th contents of Warhammer 40000 Conquest. As stated earlier the had no knowledge of contents of issues beyond Issue 5 and no knowledge of contents of Premium Wargear box sets beyond the first one. However he was able to tell me there will be two special purchases, the is an art book costing £14.99 with issue 19. I asked if it was optional, and the CSR was able to confirm it was. I asked if I had to opt in or opt out and he did not know the answer to that.
There is another piece of additional content scheduled later at about the same price, I don't know what it is as the CSR didn't either, and the exact price is unconfirmed. My guess is it is the main rulebook.

I have heard rumours elsewhere that only one binder is free gift but other binders are added to the subscription at additional cost. Nowhere does Hachette Partworks confirm a full subscription price. It is likely we will have hidden extras and subscribers will be billed for them. As at least the art book is optional there must, or at least should be a fair warning in a prior issue of Warhammer 40000 Conquest, and some methodology to opting in or out as circumstances dictate.


Last sobering detail

It all looks good and it all looks grand, but please note that if you subscribe today, and receive your first delivery in two weeks time , mid September at time of writing, and if every delivery bar the first is of four issues four weekly you will receive issue 78 in February 2020, with the final two issues then or a few weeks later.
That is a long time to wait for your army. It is easy to see the models as what you will get, but ultimately you will have part armies for most of the subscription time.
Partworks are a long time project, wheras we gamers are used to buying and building a whole army rapidly. Warhammer 40000 Conquest is a great way to get extra miniatures, but if you want to recommend this to a beginner it is best to advise them to buy Dark Imperium alongside the subscription so they get their teeth into a core selection sooner. For those wanting to expand their collections in general, please remain aware that this subscription is a slow drip feed of budget deal options and to plan accordingly.

- Orlanth

Pretty sure that I read somewhere that additional binders will be charged at £7.99 each, no idea if they are opt in or opt out or if they just send you them regardless.

They are getting sent straight back by me.

Is this advertisement and do you get paid for it?

 Jidmah wrote:
Is this advertisement and do you get paid for it?

Seeing as he is being critical of the flaws of conquest and hatchet publishing, I'm going to go out on a limb and say no. It's a derailed write up with lots of info delivered on a neutral, non-biased way.

Looking forward to more!

Thanks Dr Mills, I put the effort in and get accused of being a shill.

A really odd accusation, cannot please everyone I guess. For what it is worth you got an exalt from me Sir.

 Jidmah wrote:
Is this advertisement and do you get paid for it?

Did you even read the same highly-critical post I did???

Anyway,moving the addended blog post to here because it messes with th article formatting of the OP.

Blog 1
I said this will be a blog, so lets start with Issue One.

The magazine is A4 and has no real issue covers, this is because pages are only very loosely stuck together so the entire magazine can be pulled apart and placed in the binder we will get in November. Note that November is a long way off and the magazines will be unprotected until then. May i suggest fellow subscribers use a file pocket into which to add the issues until we get binders for them.

Each page is colour coded and only crudely numbered as they will need to be detached and reassembled in the ever expanding binder. Pretty much every page (both sides) is part of its own story arc, with an illusion of being complete content for the page and overleaf but in actuality the opening words of a longer article on the subject.

The magazine will include backstory for a new chapter, the Silver Templars. Though this will come later, the current issue is all about Ultramarines as to be expected from the way the miniatures are arranged. There is the first page of the getting painting section which handles assembly of the intercessors that come with the kit and a basic painting guide, left intentionally incomplete what covers use of the three paints provided, including using Macragge blue straight over the mini as its own primer. At the close of this issue the intercessor sergeant will go to battle with a blue face and black hair. It is said that his face will be painted 'next issue' though Issue 2 included Death Guard green. The first flesh tone will be in Issue 4.

I suppose post issue 5 with every issue coming in a four part bundle the how to guides can take advantage of the combined contents, so models in say issue 7 can freely be pointed to a paint in say issue 8 because both are bundled together. it will allow better parsing of longer article and enable larger kits like vehicles to be made available in one go.

I do question why post Issue 4 the whole shebang could be amalgamated into monthly issues four times the size, and price. I suppose individual issue backorder is important to Hachette.

My new phone has a camera, being a confirmed dinosaur who hates mobile phones I have been blissfully without a digicam for years now, but I needed the phone and have a camera attachment.

The blog section of this thread will now kick in. I will be blogging my journey through Warhammer 40000 Conquest right here, though as I have not yet decided if I want another Space Marine army I might blog only the Death Guard. Through part of the reason to hold back on the loyalists is to wait and see about the Silver Templars. As the magazine introduces this new chapter it will likely also encourage subscribers to choose them or Ultras for the loyalist faction. I note now that the Macragge blue is listed on this issue as an undercoat/basecoat and the normal instruction to use two coats. Issue 3 has Leadbelcher maybe then you get to decide your chapter allegiance. Lets wait and see.

Lastly I will be blogging contents in each Issue, this will be important as the project drops off public radar. You might not know to single issue order issue x to get model y unless someone who collects blogs it for you regular. Remember each issue will cost £10 direct sale, but if it nets a character costing £25.

I will start the assembly and picture blog when I receive my first actual delivery. Until later then.

Blog 2

Some updates. According to my local Gw manager who got this info from head office Hachette have now securted enough subscriptions to cover the entire cost of the project. From this point onwards they are into profit. They have begun talking to GW about an Age of Sigmar partwork.

Hachette Publishing are still listing Issue One as Out of Stock. However I managed a score today. Small numbers of the magazine are circulating, some within WHSmith, likely from other stores. I asked for three copies from WHSmith last weekend and they arrived today and I got a phone call. The issues all had dog eared packaging so they were not straight from the box but likely shipped from store to store to make up a customer order. the issues themselves are fine, only the large cardboard plate they are attached to. the shop had none other (I wasnt going to add them anyway) they only had three in and lal reserved for me. This leads me strongly to believe they got three in because i ordered three and they soured them internally for me.
I think you should know this because if you go to WHSmith soon and attempt to order them internally you might get lucky and have some reserved for you. The new insotock came with no explanation, but they did phone my house this morning, all looked worn and only three arrived at the store. Pretty sure its redirected stock from another store then, or returns from a local supermarket.

Issue One is worth having for anyone, will have five copies total, enough for 15 Intercessors, the three you get in the partwork alone dont make up a legal squad, you end up with 13 total so they are pretty much useless for listbuilding. Subscribers, do get hold of a second set if you can so you have 16 Intercessors a far more usable sum, and the excess miniature is another sergeant.
Anyway I was happy to share and gave away some of the excess paints 5x each paint is way more than I need. What goes around comes around.

Some headsup on the legal issues from the T&C. It was noticed that the T&C hadn't got the 28 day timer in it and the reason it was not amended was because the clause of 'T&C subject to change' was not included in the initial rushed document. Apparently according to GW head office a number of people have noticed discrepencies and called Hachette and GW both and Hachette which has had a rather amateur attitude to its partworks has had to get a lot more savvy quickly. As I summised earlier we miniatures gamers are a different breed to Hachettes usual customers, we are also apparently very lucrative. While the gold rush for Issue One surprised Hachette and there are concerns the magazines failed to reach the right hands, it mattered not, full subscriptions are very high and having all a shops stock bought out by eBay resellers has led customers to subscribe early to get a foot in. I am hearing a lot of rumours of expansions, but nothing concrete enough to report here.

Issue 2 has been put back a week to give Issue 1 more time to circulate. Methinks there is going to be a second printing. GW head office are bending over backwards to cooperate because this is a very good gateway for new players. Easy to build boxset and single paints are being cannibalised to pas to Hachette at preferential rates so that Issue 1 can be fulfilled for subscribers with a trickle of extra copies, not enough for ebay shop clearers in any one place , to be sent to GW stores and small newsagents so that it has best chance of reaching the kids. That is what I am hearing anyway.

Next step will be seeing what I can do to four sets of monopose Intercessors to make up a variety of models. I want to start the painting blog for you, but it may be wiser for me to wait until I have the main Intercessor boxset before I start that.

Did your newer issues have a protective sheath for the brush? My original, Forbidden Planet, ones did not but the ones I got from Asda did.

I had a check just now for you. The one I bought at GW, which was with pristine packaging had no sheath. The three I got today that have very travel worn packaging, one was ripped, though the contents are ok are different on inspection one indeed has a sheath. another brush is shorter by about 3mm and has longer bristles which makes back the length. It is still listed as a starter brush

I was more interested at how manked up the packaing was. Normally WHSmith would not sell when packaging is that bad. Let alone reserve copies in that condition for customers This is emergency redirected stock, possible from a newsagent or stock initially rejected for sale. I had zero complaints of course because its only an outer plate. But it is indicative of how this product is being seen. Any stock, any condition, the people want them, so get them to them. And I did not directly imply that when I asked for some in.

My suggestion if you have multiples it to ai for a total of five or two including subscriptions. Five means three full squads, two means one full squad with an excess sergeant you can use for colour scheme tests, and the crucial double up on Macragge blue paint.

My local WH Smiths still has 7 copies on display, the British Bookshop a few doors down (part of the same group) had at least 5 on display as well. Seems no-one likes 40k locally..

If the meta hasnt caught up. Either someone in your town notices either from themselves or by looking here or on gamer blogs or on Youtube, or they do not.

There will be quiet towns where those who game simply do not know. As gamers communicate widely, once one or two know in an area we soon all do. everything got snapped around here, and all over the Birmingham region also very very quickly.

It does not surprise me in the least that according to one regional manager there is a nationwide outage and another town elsewhere has stagnant stock with cobwebs growing on it.

If they begin to get taken off the shelves for return, buy all that remains and put it on ebay. Any actual gamer would have fad a fair shot at them then.

Got any for yourself? Even if the paints don't tempt you know this, even many die hard Vallejo users tend to admit that some Citadel paints are the best in category. Retributor armour is one of those, probably the best gold tone base on the mass market right now. It normally costs £3.50 a pot.

 Orlanth wrote:
Thanks Dr Mills, I put the effort in and get accused of being a shill.

Actually a "no" would have been fine with me, but sure, read into it whatever you want.

cheers for the write up, there was a partwork some time back, for an O gauge Flying Scotsman - forget who did it but they had all sorts of problems with it as they tried to backpedal it to be a "static" model when the motor they supplied could hardly move it and a load of quality issues.

Apparently such companies are used to dealing with people who are not that picky and get by on making cancelling awkward enough people don't bother


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Only think to really add for those collecting multiples of the first issue... (I've got two, and the subscription one on the way), you don't get three models you will want a lot of.

only so many sergeants and bods looking at a scanner you can put in a squad, generic bolt rifle guys would be more useful.

did find if you cut the pegs off you can without too much trouble repose arms and heads, plus swap the heads about though

 Orlanth wrote:
Got any for yourself? Even if the paints don't tempt you know this, even many die hard Vallejo users tend to admit that some Citadel paints are the best in category. Retributor armour is one of those, probably the best gold tone base on the mass market right now. It normally costs £3.50 a pot.

I have 4 from Forbidden Planet and 1 subscription copy on the way. May grab 2 more just for painting practice and for brushes to ruin with varnishing.

I am thinking about getting one last copy, though I will get it if I see it. It is not important.

Because i don't know what chapter to do. I have alway wanted a Crimson Fists army, might go with Ultras and also might go with Silver Templars, it all depends how the magazine story pans out.

I will start the painting blog with the Death Guard, its what I am really after, but if I get into the campaign flow i will want to follow it. Likely that will mean Ultras or the new chapter.

Hence spare disposable test miniatures. Though if I do not get another sprue I can just choose three spare tacticals and paint them.

Nice idea on the varnishing brushes. Current starter brushes arent that good frankly and that might be the best use for them, and yes varnishing can wreck them quickly. Didnt think of that, good call. Now I know what my small stack of brushes are for.

So it's not available in Australia, right?

leopard wrote:
cheers for the write up,

You are welcome, though only the OP is 'article' the rest will be my blog.

leopard wrote:

there was a partwork some time back, for an O gauge Flying Scotsman - forget who did it but they had all sorts of problems with it as they tried to backpedal it to be a "static" model when the motor they supplied could hardly move it and a load of quality issues.
Apparently such companies are used to dealing with people who are not that picky and get by on making cancelling awkward enough people don't bother

Hachette is learning to handle its new customer bases expectations. They learned very quickly, I suspect GW had a big hand in that. Gamers will not settle for crap other hobby customers do. That being said with the trial run earlier this year Hachette cant be accused of stepping out blindly.

leopard wrote:

Only think to really add for those collecting multiples of the first issue... (I've got two, and the subscription one on the way), you don't get three models you will want a lot of.

Discussing this around the table at GW today. The concensus is its a collection not an army, though the collection fights itself. You don't get enough of some key models to make an army. I am planning addiitonal purchase of Issue 3 and one maybe two of Issue 2 partly to double up on the paints included but also to make a squad of the contents. £1.99 is a mad deal but £4.99 x2 is not a bad price for a proper squad of Plague Marines and some spare paint. I think I need that colour for when I expand my ghouls. Doubling up Reivers also makes sense for the same reasons.

leopard wrote:

only so many sergeants and bods looking at a scanner you can put in a squad, generic bolt rifle guys would be more useful.
did find if you cut the pegs off you can without too much trouble repose arms and heads, plus swap the heads about though

I have been looking at that a lot. We get a box worth of 10 Intercessors later, I dont know when. I am looking at holding back work until this is done.





We will get two of each sprue. My thinking is that if I hold back until that set arrives I will have enough stuff to break up and customise my 15 EZ Intercessors. I am pretty sure I have the chops to do the knife work on the monopose marines to free them up. Its the lack of guys with both hands on thei gun and the number of marines with auspex that is the problem as you noticed.
If I dont fix this my Primaris Intercessors the elite of the elite will look like a gaggle of teenagers, half pointing at each other than the other all lost in their mobile phones.

Multipling up the Plague Marines has other problems. they are very nice but each is very individual, and then to spam very individual very detailed modesl doesnt really work. Thank Nurlge its Nurlge though. I can tentacle up head swap or otherwise warp the Plague Marines I get into something worthwhile.


I noticed that Vincent Knotley's readout didnt say how many basic plague marines we get. My eyes are not the best and I dont recognisse most of the models can someone with a copy of the poster count out the Plague Marines please. I would like to get a better idea of how many Issue 2 I will need to buy to get a reasonable sized force of basic marines for Death Guard.


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 SHUPPET wrote:
So it's not available in Australia, right?

Maybe. I have amended the OP to include information on this issue. Good luck. Let's hope Bissett Mags can open the door for you.

Was thinking of an actual intersserorororeer box and doing a bit of cutting up

A what? In intersserorororeer box?

That's such a cool typo.

I also like the Incepteararararooons

leopard wrote:
Was thinking of an actual intersserorororeer box and doing a bit of cutting up

So am I, but I will wait to get mine for £7.99, at the cost of having it appear randomly sometime between now and 2020.
Because they are two pairs of twin sprues it is very likely we will get the multipart intersserorororeer split over two issues, so it will be £15 for all ten.

One of the things I am looking forward to as a subscriber is doubling up on key issue throughout the project when what they have on offer is of particularly good value.
The dreadnought might be split over two issues, unlikely more than that, there is a lot of stuff to be parsed between 80 issues, even so I will be buying extra copies of that. Multiple Primaris dreadnoughts bought for multiples of £7.99, yes please. I will be looking very carefully at the breakdown throughout the project..

So, what exactly is this Warhammer Conquest thing? I'm not really much for videos or giant walls of text. Sounds like a 40k hobby magazine subscription that comes with junk.

I've had issues with Hachette in the past. I subscribed to the Warhammer Legends novel series when that launched, and they cancelled my subscription before sending anything. They didn't even attempt to get in touch with me!

No idea why they did this (my payment method seemed to be valid and I didn't care enough to chase them up), but I'd recommend that anyone who subscribes keeps an eye out in case it happens to them. According to the Facebook page anyone who subscribed before 31st August should have their first delivery by Saturday 8th September.

I still subscribed to Conquest despite my reservations - I don't have much terrain, have just started a Death Guard army (the Dred in my avatar is one of them) and already have a Blood Angels army with no Primaris models, so I'm one of the rare 40K collectors who can take full advantage of this!

Oh, and the starter brush is just terrible.

 Orlanth wrote:

We get a box worth of 10 Intercessors later, I dont know when. I am looking at holding back work until this is done.

I hate to say this, but the models on the poster really look like they're snap fit intercessors from the Dark Imperium set - the poses are identical (same with the Plague Marines). It doesn't look like we'll be getting any of the multipart models, which will make converting really difficult.

 darkcloak wrote:
So, what exactly is this Warhammer Conquest thing? I'm not really much for videos or giant walls of text. Sounds like a 40k hobby magazine subscription that comes with junk.

Yep. Costs about £32 a month for 80 weeks, about £600-ish total, and you get a bunch of snap fit Death Guard, Primaris and Terrain. Great value if it's all stuff you want, but if you don't collect both armies not sure if it's worth it IMO.

 darkcloak wrote:
So, what exactly is this Warhammer Conquest thing? I'm not really much for videos or giant walls of text. Sounds like a 40k hobby magazine subscription that comes with junk.

20 second videos too long?

Giant walls of text?

Poor fellow. I wonder how you will cope when you discover films and books.

 GMSchofield wrote:
I've had issues with Hachette in the past. I subscribed to the Warhammer Legends novel series when that launched, and they cancelled my subscription before sending anything. They didn't even attempt to get in touch with me!

I havent received my starter letter with my subscription details. Though the DD is set up on my banking app.

 darkcloak wrote:

I still subscribed to Conquest despite my reservations - I don't have much terrain, have just started a Death Guard army (the Dred in my avatar is one of them) and already have a Blood Angels army with no Primaris models, so I'm one of the rare 40K collectors who can take full advantage of this!

Me too. I have old school marines, no chaos at all and am willing to give the terrain a go.

 darkcloak wrote:

Oh, and the starter brush is just terrible.

You mean that excellent disposable varnish brush.

 darkcloak wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:

We get a box worth of 10 Intercessors later, I dont know when. I am looking at holding back work until this is done.

I hate to say this, but the models on the poster really look like they're snap fit intercessors from the Dark Imperium set - the poses are identical (same with the Plague Marines). It doesn't look like we'll be getting any of the multipart models, which will make converting really difficult.

I am not qualified to tell; but doubt GW will make new models for Hachette when existing ones will do, exception for the exclusive mini.
In which case we get this covering six of the issues. I am ok with that. All the models of Dark Imperium for £48

Dark Imperium contents


I will look see what sprues I want multiple of. Can anyone provide a beakdown sprue by sprue. If some modelsare split between sprues it will be helpful to know, they will come in a single delivery batch.




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 GMSchofield wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:
So, what exactly is this Warhammer Conquest thing? I'm not really much for videos or giant walls of text. Sounds like a 40k hobby magazine subscription that comes with junk.

Yep. Costs about £32 a month for 80 weeks, about £600-ish total, and you get a bunch of snap fit Death Guard, Primaris and Terrain. Great value if it's all stuff you want, but if you don't collect both armies not sure if it's worth it IMO.

Serious answer: Are you prepared to make a subscription that will cost you over £600 split over the next eighteen months, if it gives you a decent discount on hobby supplies and models?

Yes - Take you time to read all the text, and then look for more info elsewhere on Warhammer 40000 Conquest and be 100% aware of what you are signing up for and what benefit you are getting and if it is for you.

No - Carry on and enjoy your day.

Tip: Never TLDR a financial commitment.

 Orlanth wrote:


I havent received my starter letter with my subscription details. Though the DD is set up on my banking app.

I am not qualified to tell; but doubt GW will make new models for Hachette when existing ones will do, exception for the exclusive mini.
In which case we get this covering six of the issues. I am ok with that. All the models of Dark Imperium for £48

I haven't received a letter either, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that people who subscribe online will only get an e-mail, and a letter is just for the people who subscribed by post. Can't find it though, so I might have imagined that.

I suspect that the exclusive mini (and maybe the Space Wolf from Tooth and Claw) was sculpted alongside the Blood Angel / Dark Angel lieutenants and held back for a later release - if they were going to sculpt an all new mini just for the partwork, you'd think they'd sculpt one for the new chapter that has been made up just for the series! This is just wild speculation on my part though.

GW have done one off plastics before, and a single exclusive miniature for Conquest is something Hachette would have been wise to negotiate for.

Some people are really into completionism and its an incentive to subscribe. If I buy an extra copy of Issue 5 it will be as a gift for someone. It is a nice sculpt but nothing I desperately need.

That being said I will keep mine.

 Orlanth wrote:

leopard wrote:
Was thinking of an actual intersserorororeer box and doing a bit of cutting up

So am I, but I will wait to get mine for £7.99, at the cost of having it appear randomly sometime between now and 2020.
Because they are two pairs of twin sprues it is very likely we will get the multipart intersserorororeer split over two issues, so it will be £15 for all ten.

One of the things I am looking forward to as a subscriber is doubling up on key issue throughout the project when what they have on offer is of particularly good value.
The dreadnought might be split over two issues, unlikely more than that, there is a lot of stuff to be parsed between 80 issues, even so I will be buying extra copies of that. Multiple Primaris dreadnoughts bought for multiples of £7.99, yes please. I will be looking very carefully at the breakdown throughout the project..

I strongly suspect the 10 other ones are from the DI starter set as the rest of the starter is in there. The DN will be the "easy build" version as well, I also doubt if by then you will be able to get single back copies (though buying a load of four is still worth it depending what its packed with).

What would be interesting is someone who knows the kits putting a sprue count together which may give a bit of a guide here

leopard wrote:


I strongly suspect the 10 other ones are from the DI starter set as the rest of the starter is in there. The DN will be the "easy build" version as well, I also doubt if by then you will be able to get single back copies (though buying a load of four is still worth it depending what its packed with).

That is the real magic and where a savvy subscriber can make their best savings. Hachette will have back issues on stock at £7.99 each on their website. They will appear here:

https://hachettepartworks.com/warhammer-40000-conquest

They normally cover stock for six months after completion, or until sold out. Though for some issues we will need to move fast. As subscribers we can have the extra copies added to the next delivery eliminating the P&P.

leopard wrote:

What would be interesting is someone who knows the kits putting a sprue count together which may give a bit of a guide here

Been trying that, but as you say, we need someone who can ID all the kits.

I didn't say anything about brushes!

Yeah those books and films are rough. Was pretty hard to get through The Hobbit so I could cover my entire torso in a themed tattoo...

Didn't they make a movie of that one???

 Orlanth wrote:


Been trying that, but as you say, we need someone who can ID all the kits.

I'm pretty confident that this is everything on the Death Guard side of things. Not a bad selection, but almost entirely easy-build kits.

The three easy build Plague Marines being doubled up is annoying, as you'd end up with four champions for two squads - to make it worthwhile you pretty much have to add a multi-part plague marine box for converting the duplicate champion / adding more troops.

Some of the sprues are pretty small (the chaos upgrades for the Rhino, the Lord and his Terminators), so could realistically be doubled up on an issue. There are 29 DG sprues total, so if the marines have a similar number of sprues some issues will have to come with two sprues in order to fit everything in alongside the terrain.

HQ
Typhus (1 Sprue)
Lord Felthius & 3 Cohort Terminators (3 Sprues)

Troops
Plague Marine Champion (1 Sprue)
Plague Marine Icon Bearer (1 Sprue)
3 Easy Build Plague Marines (1 Sprue)
3 Easy Build Plague Marines Again (1 Sprue)
6 Easy Build Poxwalkers (1 Sprue)
6 Easy Build Poxwalkers Again (1 Sprue)
5 Chaos Cultists (1 Sprue)
5 Chaos Cultists Again (1 Sprue)

Elites
Plague Surgeon (1 Sprue)
Foul Blightspawn (1 Sprue)
Biologus Putrifier (1 Sprue)
Tallyman (1 Sprue)

Fast Attack
Chaos Spawn (2 Sprues)
Blight Hauler (1 Sprue)

Heavy Support
Plagueburst Crawler (2 Sprues)

Transport
Chaos Rhino (5 Sprues!)

Dark Imperium (4 Sprues) -Lord of Contagion, Plaguecaster, 7 Plaguemarines, 20 Poxwalkers, Bloat Drone

Yep, came to the same conclusion.

Dark Imperium Death Guard is 4 sprues, you get the spure with 10 pox walkers twice.
I would also like to add that one of the PBC sprues is petty thick, you could fit three regular sprues in its box.

In general, IMO that's just a semi-decent deal, since there are so many duds in there:
- You don't really need the champion kit, since you already have one with a plasma gun from the ETB kit and one without from DI.
- You get Lord Felthius and the DI Lord of Contagion, who are both quite useless models in the first place AND Typhus, who just does everything those two do, plus more. Three lords of corruption is kind of overkill.
- The Lord Felthius box is pretty useless since it has three terminators with no combi-bolters, just one axe and the least useful special weapon. IMO the box by itself is a trap for new players, since the only model inside you will be playing in the long run is the terminator with stormbolter and bubotic axe.
- Plague Surgeon is useless unless you want to really tailor against space marines.
- Chaos Spawn have no place in DG

So, in general, you end up with a pretty meh collection of death guard that won't play well. You probably end up wasting what you saved on useless models, so if you aren't interested in the other stuff, there are better ways to start death guard.

All good points.

As someone who is mainly a painter/collector I'm actually quite pleased that I'll be getting one of every monopose death guard blister/box (minus the reinforcements set), but it's pretty rubbish for competitive gaming.

Actually the reinforcements set would have been a great replacement for the second easy to build Plague Marine set, less duplication and would mean more of the models are usable in a list, but I'm going to have to live with yet more easy build models to try and convert.

I pity the poor new space marine players trying to cram all 9 HQ models into their lists.

I'm not really playing competitively, me and most my opponents are playing mono-codex armies from our collections which usually consist of 1-2 of thing we like. The games themselves are highly competitive, list building almost definitely not.

That said, Lords of Corruptions are very disappointing models to play. They are very slow (4", halved advances), no shooting (not even grenades) and broadcast "everything near me dies!" due to their great CC weapons and the mortal wound aura. Unless someone actively picks a fight with them, they won't be doing anything, ever. I always field mine as lords of chaos instead.

Without going into details, it's similar for my other points. It's not that those models are 10% worse than a similar option, it's that those models simply don't work at all.
For example, the blight hauler is almost definitely not a competitive option, but it still does what it's supposed to do reasonably well: Providing cover to your marines, chucking some high damage shots at tanks and being a general nuisance. It does something when it's on the board, unlike Lord Felthius and his cohort.

For a collection you get too many duplicate models for my taste. With DI (7), ETB(3), Plague Brethren(3), Plague marine box (7) and the icon, you could have had 21 (3x7 ) distinct plague marines, plus an excess champion for kill team or whatever.

Thanks for the info and keep it rolling in.

What we need is a sprue count for Death Guard, marines and terrain so we can see how it splits along 80 issues.
My reason for wanting to find this out is to estimate how many issues the vehicles are split over.

This will effect price of select backorders. If one of the large tanks is on only two issues it means a Repulsor or Plaguecrawler for maybe as little as £16, it might cost £24 or even £8!

There is the possibility that gamers can get select items doubled up for chump change. Any individual model can be split down as far as four issues, for a repeat order price of £32, not that much of a deal anymore. However there is a lot to cover in 80 issues and if the two big tanks are covering eight issues between them, then there will likely be a strange deal elsewhere in th subscription run.
A sprue count would give us an indication of what we can expect and how much part order will save us. If the total tally comes to exactly 80 sprues we will know precisely, if more than 80 there will be some doubling up and we wont know where.

Now a sample check reveals that the Plaguecrawler is on two sprues. So unless the sprues are manipulated somehow and split it means each Plaguecrawler will cost £16 to buy to subscribers as extra issues. A neat deal and one I will look to exploit at the right time.

The EX build Primaris Dreadnought is on three sprues. It may be that is on three issues meaning a repeat purchase will cost £24 compared to GW retail of £25 and thus less efficient to buy than the discounters. But if the sprue count exceeds 80, maybe the Dreadnought will be on only two issues making iit a more tempting £16 extra issue order.

Please help by ID all the models and sprues for a total count.

Blog 3a

On a different note my first delivery arrived today. I will review issue 2 for you all this evening and take a look at the gifts.
For now I note that the package arrived in a baggie, not exactly secure. When I opening it the gift mouldline remover just fell out, it was loose inside. I could see it getting out of rough handled packages.
The mouldline remover is not quite the same as shown, slightly better in fact, its also a file and has a keyring attachment which is useful as it is quite small. The glue as not in a cardboard sheath, it came intact but with the almost non existant packaging that was more luck than anything else. Thankfully the issues are well packaged. Issue 1 came without the bulky cardboard plate, so regular issues are regular A4 format with the plastic container atop the magazine. This sets the maximum sprue size to fit full sized GW sprues, which is a very good sign. We might get the Plaguecrawler over two issues after all.
I will report more later....

The last post on the previous page has all the DG models and their sprue counts, I double-checked all but Lord Felthius (I don't own him) with those I have. Only the DI one is off.

PBC is definitely only two sprues and due to their layout I heavily doubt that the sprues themselves can be split up, since they all have big pieces in the middle and smaller ones around them.

 Jidmah wrote:
The last post on the previous page has all the DG models and their sprue counts, I double-checked all but Lord Felthius (I don't own him) with those I have. Only the DI one is off.

PBC is definitely only two sprues and due to their layout I heavily doubt that the sprues themselves can be split up, since they all have big pieces in the middle and smaller ones around them.

Thanks, I've updated the post with correct number. I don't own Lord Felthius, but the GW site shows the sprues and all the parts seem to be on just three sprues.

If the PBC is on two issues and it's possible to order extra copies, I may end up with a few of them.

It'd be hilarious if it is a sprue per issue and the Rhino is split over 5 weeks!

What's even more hilarious is that the loyalists get a repulsor in the meantime. They could have put in something cool instead, like a helbrute, a defiler or a predator...

I guess that pintle-mounted combi-melta has to do.

If they do go that route, those issues would be the perfect place to throw in some of the extra paints. There's only 30-odd paints in total, so they bulk out the more disappointing issues with a pot of paint.

Please do expect filler issues.

What I am seeing is that even filler normally costs more than £8 at GW. There will be some issues with contents worth less than that, but not many.

Also for a single filler copies we do get the magazine, its well formatted and looks like it will be a good read. While magazines get filler too there is so much 40K lore to print that I see no difficulty in being able to fill 80 issues with worthwhile decent content.

Sometimes in the past GW have been criticised for fluff light codexes. Methinks this is not something we will have cause to say about the Conquest campaign and the forces used in it.


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 Jidmah wrote:
The last post on the previous page has all the DG models and their sprue counts, I double-checked all but Lord Felthius (I don't own him) with those I have. Only the DI one is off.

PBC is definitely only two sprues and due to their layout I heavily doubt that the sprues themselves can be split up, since they all have big pieces in the middle and smaller ones around them.

Its less confusing to total up the Dark Imperium and First Strike sprues and ignore which are loyalist and which traitor, from our poits of view it doesnt matter, and if like a lot of intro boxes the sprues cover both factions together that is how we will likely have them delivered to us. Only the sprue count is relevant. We have a sprue tally for Death Guard alone, thank you, we need one for the Dark Imperium/First Strike, one for the Space Marines alone and one for all the terrain and objectives.
Add 1 to the total for the exclusive marine not seen before and compare against 80.



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 GMSchofield wrote:


It'd be hilarious if it is a sprue per issue and the Rhino is split over 5 weeks!

That would push the Rhino into two deliveries, which is highly unlikely Hachette will do that. Yes its a partwork but we arent building HMs Victory from 300 pieces of blasa wood, each part of the collection is its own whole. Models will come in one delivery, but as a delivery is four issues it means you can split some models by four. That would be a very disappointing month if all you get is one Rhino.

 GMSchofield wrote:
If they do go that route, those issues would be the perfect place to throw in some of the extra paints. There's only 30-odd paints in total, so they bulk out the more disappointing issues with a pot of paint.

Not unlikely. Some pains they need out early so people can work on their armies from the get go. Issue one official painting guide leaves the Intercessor sgt with black hair adn a blue face for his first battle. Issue 2 gives us Death Guard armour colour, 3 gives is Leadbelcher for ironworks and Issue 4 gives us our first fleshtone. Other paints will need to come out early. But things like washes can come out in slow issues. An issue with a sprue of junkand not much to do is a good time to fill the painting section with ideas on how to inkwash the collection you have so far, or colours for basing. Later filler issues can have things like bright yellow paint for lights and sundry that you don't need much of, and a headsup on all the lights on all the models you can now go and paint.

You know what, other than not using a spray primer first this sounds like fun. Paint using the tools and techniques avialable (I will spray primer though and use my own brushes.)

Painting the marines in my own colours which I have, planning the Death Guard in the book colours so they will be waiting for a while - just primed pale grey.

Can see this leading to a couple of actual multi part kits being bought alongside it - which I guess is entirely the point.

Still not going for the "premium" version though, since they can;t tell me whats in it...

Blog 3b

Ok, ready the mag for Issue 2. There are three pull out pages on Nurgle, Dath Guard and the Plague planet, each the first leaf in a new article, and that's it. There is an obligatory assembly page and page on painting the Death Guard models and the majority of issue 2 is covering basic rules of how to play 40K.

I like how they did it, even though it is just a waste of paper to us. There is a fold out A2 map of heavy paper, with images of storage crates as cover and circles into which you place the Intercessors and Plague marines. Its an easy way into the game for a child.

The contents we all know by now. One paint pot for Plague marine armour six dice and the sprue.

I am quite content with the EZ Marines and the traitor ones are not different. Simplicity sacrifices versatility on the build but not quality of the model.

'Ole Orlanth is not the best painter about but I have some mad skillz in conversion and an eye for bitz. I have some Chaos Warrior bitz I can use here,thinking about heads here, stuff from a Chaos Spawn set, some left over stuff from Plaguebearers, thinking about the plague swords mostly, but also hanging guts, and swap arounds from the sprue itself. I reckon I can make unique marines from multiples of this sprue no problem.

Now according to reports above we get this sprue twice during the campaign, yes. And a separate champion model to make the seven?

If so I may buy three extra copies for £15, have nine more Plague Marines, which I could use in full but cannibalising to make seven is even easier, and it would load me up for the very useful looking colour.
If I biy one extra copy for £5 it gives me some leeway on bits, one paint and make the next purchase easier.

If I am stuck for options I can buy a Plague Marine multi part boxset. That is cheating but if I am going to make my Death Guard work I will want some core Plague Marines.

From what I am seeing I get two squads of seven in the campaign. Three is an honest minimum, four better. Ok, that means three issues.

This means I will have to back up my claim to being a good converter to turn 3x 5 distinctively corrupted models into 15 original ones. I have enough ideas for nine already but now need your help.

I know zip about Death Guard in 8th. In fact I haven't been focused on 8th at all, been collecting fantasy and rpg miniatures. Anyone link me to a guide on Plague Marines what they can take what works and what does not. I cant rely on outdated memories of CSM, I don't recognise half the weapon names. Will I need the multipart boxset to get decent weapons? The tentacle covered plasma gun looks like it can be repositioned, and I get plasma in the Dark Imperium squad (which I will leave as is).

What will I be taking. Fist sgt, 5x bolter 1x plasma? Is it one special weapon per squad, and is the grenade launcher any good. Also what are Plague Marines good at, apart from looking awesomely ugly.

 Orlanth wrote:
Blog 3b
Now according to reports above we get this sprue twice during the campaign, yes. And a separate champion model to make the seven?

It's not quite that useful unfortunately. The model with a plasma gun / powerfist is the champion. For ranged weapons they can have a bolt pistol / bolter / plasma pistol / plasma gun, for melee they can have a plague knife or plague sword and they can have a power fist in addition to those (the only model in the unit who can have a power fist).

Minimum squad size is 5 with up to two special ranged weapons (and a variety of melee weapons like axes and flails). The magazine will have a total of 7 regular marines, 1 icon bearer, 3 special weapon dudes (plasma gun and two blight launchers, the grenade launcher looking weapon) and 4 champions (all with power fist, two with plasma gun!)

To make it useful you'll want to replace the power fist and plasma gun on one easy build champion at least with the regular loadout of bolter and knife - and you'll still want more regular plague marines to give you enough men for a third squad.

I've heard that a pair of Blight Launchers (the one that comes with the easy to build kit) is a good choice for load out for special weapons, although I'm no expert. I've gone for 2x Blight Launcher, Icon and Plasma Gun/Power Fist Champion for my first squad.

On a related note I've finished painting my first set of easy build models this afternoon - it is cheating as these didn't come with the magazine (I bought them just before I heard about the magazine), but thought I might share a picture with terrible lighting as inspiration. I'll have to convert my second set when the magazine arrives.

Thank you. I believe I can handle the conversions. I see you dont have much trouble either.

What I most need to know are:

1. The rules for Plague Marines
2. What works.
3. Clarity on general 8th edition rules (see below).

From my look at the sure I have I have gleaned the following.

a. I will not be assembling one set unconverted, the plasma gun will be cut away from the backpack of all sergeant models. Replacement vents from old Space Marine backpacks are available. there they are not a mutation will be included.

b. The plasma guns are failry clean, as in the beeak is clear. I could add a plasma gun as a right tentacle on any marine that needs one, as the tentacle holds the plasma gun and is wrapped around the trigger it can be used as a mutated right arm replacement direcfly from under thr shoulderpad.

c. The bolter SM is the most usefful and the hardest to convert. Head backpack and right shoulderpad are fully convertable but to make best use I will have to sever half of them at the wait and swap legs with the other plage marines.

d. Leg swaps look like they can be accomplished for any of the three with a little work.

e. Heads will be folly swappable with littel effort as will backpacks,

f. Both shoulders are swappable and some can be reversed on most models, other can be retextured.

g. The grenade launcher is seperable and can be reserved to go on the right hand on some models taking up a bolter's grip fist.

h. Plague Marine squads from d#ark Imperium have a going rate of £15 on ebay, sometimes less, on the sprue. One extra set of them plus 15 EZ plague marines all swapped out will have more than ebough variance for every plague marine to look different.


I like the models a lot. My problem with models like this is that when you see a unit on the battlefield, especially for older gamers with tired eyes it is hard to tell one from other, because the detail is so intense its a mess. Now for Nurgle that is entirely appropriate, were this another army the amount of intensity of detail will be a put off.

So it pays to equip every basic squad the same, leaving room for me to remember the exceptions.

Correct me if I am wrong here:
- In 8th you can freely shoot if not engaged, so the bolters in a lascannon squad are not wasted, everything shoots what it likes.
- Plasma guns still bring it.
- Power fists still bring it
- The grenade launcher is actually a decent mid range weapon for plague marines.
- Otherwise the squad is there to take/hold objectives absorb fire and be very hard to eradicate. Its not expected to destroy the enemy army.

If true I am happy to have four squads of Plague Marines with a powerfist leader, plasma gun and grenade launcher in each squad of seven.

I learned the hard way that equpping squads differently allowed the opponent to target the squad that was dangerous to them. Spreading the capabilities evenly allows a modicum of weaponry for any situation. Though Plague Marines appear to be there just to claim and hold objectives, and to provide generic support in a slow resilient package while other stuff does the main killing.

I the above holds true I will not really need the multi part Plague Marines (though once my army is big enough I will get some anyway), I can make several squads in fact as mny as I want at that loadout from the materials inexpensively available.

Some might notice that I can get three issues for £15 or can get seven very different marines for £15 as Dark Imperium bitz. I want both so I get the multiple grenade launchers for my builds and also to grab the paints.

Also: What should I give the sergeants in addition to the fist? Bolt pistol? Plaguebearer sword?

Agree on having all squads the same, life is too complicated as it is.

You can indeed now split fire so a mixed weapons load out is useful

TBH I'd not go too mad on the conversions unless you really want to, with Nurgle just paint the corrosion in different places and maybe add a tentacle or two and they will be different visually "enough" I'd say, especially in an army - it also makes it easier for you to remember and spot the special weapons and leader bods.

Also, find a brightly coloured square or disc on the back of the base is a blessing from Gork when it comes to telling squads apart, or highlighting special weapons etc

Not used DG yet, but have faced them, the marines are a lot harder to shift than they look, especially when the hunker down in cover, think a few squads is entirely fitting the background personally, bulked out with poxwalkers and cultists

leopard wrote:
Agree on having all squads the same, life is too complicated as it is.
You can indeed now split fire so a mixed weapons load out is useful

Good, that settles that

leopard wrote:

TBH I'd not go too mad on the conversions unless you really want to, with Nurgle just paint the corrosion in different places and maybe add a tentacle or two and they will be different visually "enough" I'd say, especially in an army - it also makes it easier for you to remember and spot the special weapons and leader bods.

Yep paintjobs can also differentiate but I want to go all the way with the freakshow. No point in collecting Death Guard otherwise.

leopard wrote:

Also, find a brightly coloured square or disc on the back of the base is a blessing from Gork when it comes to telling squads apart, or highlighting special weapons etc

I dont like doing that unless I have to. I could number each squad on back of base, its discrete and its uniform. Special weapons normally get a distinctive colour that catches the eye. Blue glow on plasma guns will differentiate them easily. However with one per squad of each as standard I dont have to find things. If I find the squad I will find the special weapons.

leopard wrote:

Not used DG yet, but have faced them, the marines are a lot harder to shift than they look, especially when the hunker down in cover, think a few squads is entirely fitting the background personally, bulked out with poxwalkers and cultists

So its a low marine count backed up by a horde of expendable mooks. If so then I will stop here with the Plague Marines sparing myself the need to get the multipart kit (until I buy it anyway) and concentrate on getting horde of Poxwalkers instead. It looks like we get 32 to start plus 10 cultists. I think Hachette is trying to tell us something.

Do cultists fit a Death Guard army? They look too clean.
I thought Poxwalkers were your cultists, or are they a form of zombie?

poxwalkers are zombies, close combat only, can get cultists in as well, the ones with face masks look the part, all down to how "clean" the colours go I guess. All mine are from the DV starter so monopose but a tentacle here and there wouldn't be hard to add.

if you have the conversion skills go for it, should look amazing.

I have the coloured blobs going on as a follow on from FoW armies, put markings on the front and the back of the bases as much so mu opponent stops asking which squad stuff is in as anything - 40k models tend to get a clear unit marking somewhere so something on the back of the base just avoids "discussions" about it.

I actually think a DG force with a core of actual marines would be good, they are not cheap in points, but the high toughness and the extra save makes them robust, they just tend not to have the damage output - depends what you run them with I guess.


Have 40 cultists here already, though with a dirty red scheme, ahh well, who says they knew what they were really worshipping... the extra here will get the same colour, the poxwalkers likely a more rotting flesh base (and likely will be boosted using the kings of war mantic zombies I have here somewhere)

There is a certain strategem that allows for any infantry model (friend or foe) that dies within 7 inches of a poxwalker unit to raise back from the dead as a fresh poxwalker. Many people use cultists with that strategem - your 4pt cultists will die and come back as 6pt poxwalkers. It costs 1CP and lasts a turn.

In addition Typhus buffs poxwalkers by raising the S and T of any poxwalker unit within 7 inches, so Typhus, Poxwalkers, Cultists (to feed the poxwalkers) and that strategem is apparently popular - not tried it myself.

 Orlanth wrote:

the plasma gun will be cut away from the backpack of all sergeant models.

I'd consider leaving the plasma gun on the champion - giving the champion a plasma gun is the only way to take three special weapons in one Plague Marine unit, so you could have a 5/7 man squad with say, two plasma guns and a blight launcher that way, concentrating more firepower into your troop units for a mere 13pts extra. It'd also give you even more chances for a model to blow itself up (although thankfully that's only if you overcharge them now)!

I would still recommend the multipart kit at some point - it gives 6 spare chest plates, several spare helmets, parts for an icon bearer and at least one of every weapon option. Not essential, but significantly more useful for conversions than the Dark Imperium Plague Marines with their single special weapon and zero spare parts.

leopard wrote:
poxwalkers are zombies, close combat only, can get cultists in as well, the ones with face masks look the part, all down to how "clean" the colours go I guess. All mine are from the DV starter so monopose but a tentacle here and there wouldn't be hard to add.

I am thinking of using pointy heads from Frostgrave cultists. I have a few spare, adding icons and having green robes and Nurgle iconogrpahy scattered amongst them. Not too filthy though. they dont believe in wallowing in filth, just whatever lies the false priest who led them astray taught them. The wallowing in filth comes later as they degenerate. I suppose there is some value in human looking units for infiltration before they being to smell too bad.
On reflection and looking at the cultists they are just dupes who signed up or were pressed before knowing what they were joining. Mutation comes later, and there is no value in mutating them now into Poxwalkers, they would lose the ability to shoot.

I will dig up a Fantasy Nurgle sorcerer, I have one somewhere as some sort of cult priest.

One conversion idea I have sticking in my head is to have one cultist or poxwalker, it doesnt matter jubilantly holding a large Nurlge icon above his heads with two hands, no banner pole or anything just thre Nurgle trifoil. I have some spare from my plaguebearers. I might ad a formal standard bearer to the cultists from another plaguebeaerer banner, but this time I will use a metal pole so its more 40K and les fantasy. If they can have banner of any kind (I know the plague marines themselves can) I will use them as that. Otherwise its just a decoration. If icon bearers are characters and it would cause confusion I might rethink this,

Mwanwhile what command and weapon options do cultist get. Can I make 'traitor guard' out of them. i remember seeing cultists like these with heavy stubbers.

leopard wrote:

I actually think a DG force with a core of actual marines would be good, they are not cheap in points, but the high toughness and the extra save makes them robust, they just tend not to have the damage output - depends what you run them with I guess.

Too many Poxwalkers may be a pain to move about. I will likely stop at 50. I hear they get nice augments from Typhus.

I want to fill my army with Plaguecrawlers, Bloat Drones and the other vehicle, three of each. All via this subscription. The Rhino will be washed and given back to the loyalists. It just doesnt fit the theme.

leopard wrote:

Have 40 cultists here already, though with a dirty red scheme, ahh well, who says they knew what they were really worshipping... the extra here will get the same colour, the poxwalkers likely a more rotting flesh base (and likely will be boosted using the kings of war mantic zombies I have here somewhere)

There is a girl part time staffer at my local GW who showed me a lifehack for Poxwalkers, which I used on my Vampire counts ghouls. Spray them white the inkwash them in green and brown. add highlights of purple paint and then paint the clothing and weaponry normally. Done. it works and allow mediocre painters like me to get a good effect.

 Orlanth wrote:

Mwanwhile what command and weapon options do cultist get. Can I make 'traitor guard' out of them. i remember seeing cultists like these with heavy stubbers.

Up to 30 cultists in a squid.
Autoguns or Autopistol & CC Weapons for the Cultists.
1 Heavy Stubber or Flamer for every 10 cultist.
Champion can have Autogun, Shotgun, or Pistol and CC Weapon.
No banners sadly, but it would definitely look the part! I look forward to seeing them.

 Orlanth wrote:

There is a girl part time staffer at my local GW who showed me a lifehack for Poxwalkers, which I used on my Vampire counts ghouls. Spray them white the inkwash them in green and brown. add highlights of purple paint and then paint the clothing and weaponry normally. Done. it works and allow mediocre painters like me to get a good effect.

Washes work wonders on Poxwalkers - I used a combination of Green/Orange/Purple washes over Dheneb Stone, followed up by Army Painter Strong Tone and a splattering of Blood Effect, it was super quick and effective!.

Ok going to now work on completing the tally of sprues started by GMSchofield:


HQ
Typhus (1 Sprue)
Lord Felthius & 3 Cohort Terminators (3 Sprues)

Troops
Plague Marine Champion (1 Sprue)
Plague Marine Icon Bearer (1 Sprue)
3 Easy Build Plague Marines (1 Sprue)
3 Easy Build Plague Marines Again (1 Sprue)
6 Easy Build Poxwalkers (1 Sprue)
6 Easy Build Poxwalkers Again (1 Sprue)
5 Chaos Cultists (1 Sprue)
5 Chaos Cultists Again (1 Sprue)

Elites
Plague Surgeon (1 Sprue) - Will anyone need repeats of these, except to eBay?
Foul Blightspawn (1 Sprue)
Biologus Putrifier (1 Sprue)
Tallyman (1 Sprue)

Fast Attack
Chaos Spawn (2 Sprues) - Giving these to Archaon, oh wait I already have five.
Blight Hauler (1 Sprue) - Not bad deal. they get bonues in threes. I think Mortarion is trying to tell us something.

Heavy Support
Plagueburst Crawler (2 Sprues) - So going to spam this.

Transport
Chaos Rhino (5 Sprues!) - £32 or heavens forbid £40 for a Rhino. Fething Death Guard lazy gits can get off their fat arses and.walk. Gimme Defiler month instead.

Dark Imperium (8 Sprues)
-Lord of Contagion, Plaguecaster, 7 Plaguemarines, 20 Poxwalkers, Bloat Drone
Primaris Captain in Gravis Armour, 2 Primaris Lieutenants, Primaris Ancient 10 incercessors, 5 Hellblasters, 3 Inceptors
The exact breakdown of this is important, for example when we get the Bloat Drone we get most of the Plague Marines even if not all the models are complete it will be good material for swaps on the EZ builds.
DARK IMPERIUM CONTENTS IN FOLDER:


3 Intecessors (First Strike) (1 sprue)
3 Reivers (First Strike) (1 sprue)
Easy to Build Aggressors (1 sprue) - Worth getting more I think
Easy to Build Redemptor Dreadnought (3 sprues) - Breaks even all told. Buy more from discounters.
Easy to Build Primaris Reivers ( 1 sprue)
Primaris Apothecary (2 sprues) - Surprised at this, but then e has enough structural girders to hold up a wall on his shoulders. Wonder what the Primaris techmarine will look like? Mecha-cthulhu?
Primaris Chaplain (1 sprue)
Primaris Librarian (2 sprues) - His robes need an extra sprue to fit them all in.
Space Marine Heroes (Cataphractii Armour and a Chaplain) (1 sprue) - Tight squeeze, pity is has no room in a Primaris army.
Space Marine Scouts (1 sprue)
Space Marine Scouts with Sniper Rifles (1 sprue)
Attack Bike (????)
Bike Squad (????) - Three sprues?
Primaris Repulsor (3 sprues) - So on to this.
Land Speeder (?)
Exclusive new Marine officer (1 sprue, assumed as he is 'on Issue 5').

Sector Imperialis Objectives (2 sprues)
Munitorum Armoured Containers (3 sprues)
Sector Mechanicus Galvanic Servohaulers (2 sprues)
Battlefield Accessories Set (????)
Thermic Plasma Regulators (2 sprues)
Haemotrope Reactors (2 sprues)
Thermic Plasma Conduits (4 sprues)
Galvanic Magnavent/Promethium Forge (4 sprues)
Ryza Pattern Ruins (???? - implied to be a baggie)

Total of 71
plus STC- Ryza Pattern Ruins, Battlefield Accessories Set, Bike Squad, Attack Bike, Land Speeder

It is looking very much like 1x sprue per issue. Though the Rhino will likely be set up into four issues so it first a single delivery. Maybe that is when we get the rulebook.

Anyone able to complete this for us?

 GMSchofield wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:

Mwanwhile what command and weapon options do cultist get. Can I make 'traitor guard' out of them. i remember seeing cultists like these with heavy stubbers.

Up to 30 cultists in a squid.
Autoguns or Autopistol & CC Weapons for the Cultists.
1 Heavy Stubber or Flamer for every 10 cultist.
Champion can have Autogun, Shotgun, or Pistol and CC Weapon.
No banners sadly, but it would definitely look the part! I look forward to seeing them.

Found I do not have a Nurgle sorcerer, just yet another Chaos Undivided one.

Pity about the standard, however I now have another idea. Have the icon bearer with the poxwalkers. i have some left over ghoul models these are hunched forward, so replace a poxwalker at the waist with a ghoul haunch, add appropriate ghoul or poxwalker arms and have a bearer bend over carrying an icon on his back (the trifoil). The cult priest/champion of the cultists, however I make him can have a back banner with the Plaguebearers fly icon. Just to denote him a a priest, either that or a Nurgle bell. The latter sounding more appropriate actually. I can stick further icons on duplicate vehicles to customise them. The ideas are coming together.

 GMSchofield wrote:

Washes work wonders on Poxwalkers

Yes, the irony.

Battlefield accessories - Two small sprues come with one tank trap, three barrels, one platform, three crates and a weird spiky thing.
Strangely the poster shows 6 barrels but the correct amount of everything else. No idea how that works out, I'm suspecting they either put too many barrels in the picture, another sprue comes with barrels, or the sprue has been recut at some point. I'd put it down as 2 sprues but that leaves some barrels unaccounted for.

Attack Bike - Another old kit, two sprues - one for the bike, one for the sidecar.

Bike Squad - I'm pretty sure it's one sprue per bike, based on the last bikes I bought a long time ago.

Land Speeder - Two sprues.

Ryza Pattern Ruins - A guess, but it looks like two sprues worth from looking at the poster and comparing to what is on the sprue.

EDIT -81 sprues total - I'd put money on either the Accessories or the Chaos Spikes for the Rhino coming together on one issue, as they are both smaller sprues - most likely the Rhino accessories, as that puts the Rhino in one months delivery.

 GMSchofield wrote:
Battlefield accessories - Two small sprues come with one tank trap, three barrels, one platform, three crates and a weird spiky thing.
Strangely the poster shows 6 barrels but the correct amount of everything else. No idea how that works out, I'm suspecting they either put too many barrels in the picture, another sprue comes with barrels, or the sprue has been recut at some point. I'd put it down as 2 sprues but that leaves some barrels unaccounted for.

These are very roomy very old sprues. One of the oldest plastics still in production.

 GMSchofield wrote:

Attack Bike - Another old kit, two sprues - one for the bike, one for the sidecar.
Bike Squad - I'm pretty sure it's one sprue per bike, based on the last bikes I bought a long time ago..

The attack bike is actually relatively recent. The bikes are far older, attack bikes used to be metal parts on the standard plastic bike.
To muddy the waters a bit wheels on the bikes are separate, but I dont count those.

 GMSchofield wrote:

Land Speeder - Two sprues.

That sounds right.

 GMSchofield wrote:

Ryza Pattern Ruins - A guess, but it looks like two sprues worth from looking at the poster and comparing to what is on the sprue.

GW website implies they are preassembled.
Lets see:



Ahh we were both wrong 4 sprues.

 GMSchofield wrote:

EDIT -81 sprues total - I'd put money on either the Accessories or the Chaos Spikes for the Rhino coming together on one issue, as they are both smaller sprues - most likely the Rhino accessories, as that puts the Rhino in one months delivery.

83 sprues now, which is more comfortable, some items will double up. Rhino down to four I presume, plus Apothecary and Librarian, maybe some of the split sprue Dark Imperium. It also makes sense if we get the Dark Imperium set early.

Looking at the poster it doesnt include absolutely everything, it omits the dice you get in issue 2. If the poster of contents omits dice it might omit other things. Tape measures, more dice, the mini codexes.
I am so noticed on inspection that some of thep aints are repeated, notably Macragge Blue and Death Guard Green, this makes a lot of sense. It looks like there might ctually be a third pot of each of this core colour. So much for me getting not enough Macragge Blue without the extra set of issue 1 Hell, at least I got it cheap, and got lots of Sigmarine gold and black with it.

IIRC the armoured containers come with more barrels and crates which is likely where the extras come from.

I'm expecting the ordering of this to be interesting, with the vehicles coming late in the series (indeed anything of actual "value" later in the series to avoid people cancelling beyond that)

the Dark Imperium stuff is interesting as you essentially need the sprues together IIRC as some models are split across two frames - with the exception of the one frame thats doubled up.

given the stuff is packaged in groups of four issues though I can easily see it arriving as four magazines and a small box of plastic/paint each time so the idea that each issue has a sprue may be a bit off - you may find say you get the bulk of DI in one pack - with two "issues" focussing on each side for the build and paint guides (you may also find we have had the poxwalker and interbananannnnanna paint guides finished by then so they focus on the characters and stuff like plasma special effects depending what paints have been out.

I', wondering on issues 5-10, we "know" its the unique character in issue 5, give 3-6 come at once I'd expect a single frame DG character as well, then maybe 7-10 will be a a few more of the "easy build" infantry, say one for each side then maybe the first bits of terrain? (say a container or two for the starter game mat as thats what printed on it?)

One of the advantages Hachette has is that the terrain is in repeating kits. They can give us one container first as a central objective, two as even open terrain and three in a lobsided defend the barricade scenario, and can split the terrain, even from within packs right throughout the campaign.

My first delivery arrived this morning. The modelling tools are better quality than I was expecting.

I've thrown together these conversions on the Plague Marines to avoid duplication - it requires a bit of cutting to get a new torso to fit snugly, but I'm satisfied.



I've also found this blogpost, which I think is quite inspiring and shows what can be done to make the most of your Plague Marine parts!

I still think we're only getting two sprues worth of Ryza Pattern ruins - the box contains 4 sprues, but looking at the poster it looks like the magazine only comes with half a box.

Nicew work, I think we are o the same page on convertability. I am experiementing with the Plague Mariens I havw got but not doing anything permanent to them until I have more amterial to work with.

I found that the backpacks go on nicely in most combinations if you remove all the lugs. Each backpack goes with a specific marien, or more accurately for us, back. But if the top of the backpack curve on the back is reomved carefully each backpack can be assembled completely seperatrely and is freely swappable. Most shoulderpads are completely removable and swappable. The claw arm work as either right or left arm, if used as left arm theclaw can be severed at the upper arm and rotate a quarter turn.

As I will be getting more Death guard paint in the camapign, and because the modesl are still samey I might buy only one extra sprue, and get more Dark Imperium instead.

The issue with the blight drone will contsin several plague marines, and plague marine parts including the plasma gun. I will be buying at least one extra copy of this. So why buy more EZ build Plague Marines.

I had an issue on one of my marines where the backpack plug bit (the one attached to the marines's body) was missing. Rather than cutting out some plasticard/sprue to fill the gap, I found slapping some textured basing paint in the gap with a spatula worked really well. I've also used it in conjunction with green stuff to fill in gaps on the conversions where two torso halves don't quite fit together (as they clearly weren't designed to go together).

I'm going to buy two more issue 2's when it's available in shops, I think that the spare parts from my multi-part kit will be enough to convert them without having to dig out my old chaos bits box, and that will give me enough plague marines to field four squads of 7 for now. EDIT - I mean on top of the Plauge MarinesI already own of course!

For loadout I'm going with two identical squads that I think should be reasonably effective for casual games:

7 Marines - 2* Blight Launchers, Champ with Power Fist and Plasma Gun

I'm also putting together two squads that are less useful, but might be fun (and at the very least gives me additional options in Kill Team):

7 Marines - Icon Bearer, 2* Meltagun, Flail of Corruption, Plague Cleaver, Buboitic Axe and Maul, Champ with Plague Sword and Plasma Pistol
7 Marines - Icon Bearer, Plasma Gun, Plague Spewer, Champ with Power Fist and Plasma Gun

Remember we will likely get this sprue, probably fairly early on in the campaign:



Could be wrong there may be a way of separating stuff, and I could have miscalculated all of this though. Only issue 1-4 are retail, so seperated sprues ARE a possibility. Just not too likely in my opinion.

Lot of goods stuff even if many marines are only half complete.

 Orlanth wrote:
Remember we will likely get this sprue, probably fairly early on in the campaign:

Could be wrong there may be a way of separating stuff, and I could have miscalculated all of this though. Only issue 1-4 are retail, so seperated sprues ARE a possibility. Just not too likely in my opinion.

Lot of goods stuff even if many marines are only half complete.

I've just accidentally bought Dark Imperium along with a few more copies of issue 2. Not good for my wallet, but I do at least have this sprue in my hand.

For sheer volume of plastic (it's the size of 4 of the Easy Build sprues) it is probably one of the best ones to order multiples of. You've got all the parts for a Lord of Contagion, a Bloat Drone and 4 Plague Marines. In addition you have the chest, head and one arm of the plasma gun marine (with his body, other arm and backpack being on the Poxwalker sprue). If they actually have enough stock to order additional copies of this issue, £8 for a Bloat Drone alone is a bargain, let alone the rest.

One issue you would end up with is multiple Lords of Contagion. I imagine the best use for them would be to convert them into counts-as-Deathshroud, although running an incredibly stupid list with a bunch of them in would be fun once.

Now I've got a pile of 30 plague marines, I've started to notice how many models have been re-used in the Death Guard range. The Icon Bearer and Plauge Bretheren models are all extremely slight resculpts of the regular monopose plague marines, sometimes mirrored. It took me a while to notice so they've done a decent job of hiding it, but it's there. Out of the 15 monopose Plague Marine models, 5 of them are slight resculpts in the same pose!

My progress has been to scrounge Intercessor bits from another player who already has an army. He is looking for Hellblaster and Riever bits for me also but cant find them right now.
Thr five sprues including Intercesso bits have lots of extra heads helmets ammo and some weapon arms so that I can convert nearly all of my monopose Intercessors. I have still decided to play about with the monopose anyway to get extra variety in.

Swapping torsos was not as simple as first thought, but on stepping back noticed that the torso and legs are one with terms to fluid movement, and only the arms and shoulders matter.
The sergeant is an exception because of the wargear. The sergeant model cheats a bit, there is no thigh plate under the helmet, one will have to be green stuffed in. For my first sergeant pose swap I could place the helmet on another thigh and carefully remove and swap the thigh plate.
Thankfully fate will intervene, I will be making 20 Intercessors in 2/4 squads. Meaning 22 marines with 4 sergeants two being swap ins. I dont need the remaining three sergeant figures, at least not now.

my issues 1 & 2 arrive yesterday, put the plague marines together, nice, utterly disgusting, models, can see why you wouldn't want multiples of these guys and frankly conversion is something I'm pants at so sticking with just them.

marine duplicates are easy to hide though, that said the not 3rd issue 1 sprue is sitting unassembled until I get a box of normal, interbanannnannaas to adapt them, all told will have six squads when this is done (I already have DV and got two extra copies of issue 1), I don't need a 7th sergeant, so planning on using this guy when the DI models arrive to lead the squad with the sergeant wearing a helmet (will file the skull off him)

the magazine is actually pretty good, Mrs L has been meaning to get into all this for a while, so they are going to work nicely as a gentle learning curve to get into the game

You will have two of that sprue anyway. If you want to make something out of the minimum six marines swap over the heads of those without the tube from the front of the visor, and swap around the arms of all three. Then for the second set you can assemble them as all normal. You will have six different Plague marines with only minimal conversion work.

Thought for the PM it’s those three plus the seven from DI?

leopard wrote:
Thought for the PM it’s those three plus the seven from DI?

There's more. Judging by the poster the magazine will eventually come with the Dark Imperium seven, the blister pack champion and icon bearer, and two lots of the Easy Build kit. Someone replied on my painting thread to say that it's Issue 6 that comes with the second set of Easy Build marines.

If someone were collecting just the models with the magazine, I'd highly recommend converting one of the easy build champions to not be a champion so they could run three squads of 5 marines. It's really frustrating when there's another three model plague marine kit they could have used instead.

Now I've got 35 plague marines the duplicate models are not such a big deal - I gave up on doing full conversions and just did a few head/arm/chest swaps with bits from the multi-part set. I won't be running more than one of the same model in a squad anyway so I'm fine with being lazy on these models. Results are below.

After assembling four sets of them I've found that some sort of gap filler is essential if you're swapping the head or chest on two of the models - because the chest and head are molded together, it's very difficult to separate them without leaving a hole. Liquid greenstuff and a bit of sprue did the job just fine. The boltgun arms were too much of a pain for me to bother changing - there are all sorts of details that carry over onto the torso, and as I was assembling a lot of models at once I decided to skip it and just use them as background extra marines when I need a lot.

Backpack swaps are a good idea, and if I were doing another set I'd cut off the horns on the left shoulder pad and replace with some greenstuff/texture, just to break things up.

Interesting, I don't really recognise the DG models well enough from the pic, just went from what someone else pulled.

Can live with a duplicate, issue 6 would be a surprise though with issue 5 being a SM character, expecting a DG character of some sort to be honest.

its actually going to be quite interesting seeing how they package this

leopard wrote:

Can live with a duplicate, issue 6 would be a surprise though with issue 5 being a SM character, expecting a DG character of some sort to be honest.

its actually going to be quite interesting seeing how they package this

Same here - I wasn't expecting anything like Typhus yet, but one of the many elite character models at least, with the duplicate plague marines being later in the run.

On the plus side, at least duplicate plague marines would give new players a legal 5 man squad with two blight launchers and a duplicate champion who could be used as a proxy chaos lord for now.

By issue 6 both armies also have enough models for a 100pt Kill Team, so new players could actually take them to a store and get stuck in (if they picked up the kill team rules of course).

Nice Death Guard models Gm Schofield. I have only really begun mine.

Converting partwork marines and CSM models has gained enough attention that how to videos are appearing on Youtube.





Note this is here just as general instructional video, i dont recommend doing this as you will get the official Primaris Librarian at discount later.

Also of note, especially for readers from down under.
Issue 3 includes a price in AU$ and NZ$ on the back cover.
The bad news is that $20 seems expensive to me.

Things will be better for you when the pound tanks after Brexit.

guessing, by being somewhat cynical, the expensive models will be later in the run (so no getting them then cancelling), also wondering since that provides time to GW to get clever.

e.g. if there are enough subscribers to justify it, an "easy built" repulsive kit, plus the DG mortar tank thing.

will have been an interesting job for someone working out the sequencing for this - expecting the paints largely biased towards the front, but all the larger models towards the end.

Also expecting the way the rules are presented to continue as they have, not exactly providing the actual game rules until maybe a third of the way in - but a focus on smaller scenarios and "narrative" games first.

Also expecting a "special offer" for buying the rulebook and codexes at some point

leopard wrote:
guessing, by being somewhat cynical, the expensive models will be later in the run (so no getting them then cancelling), also wondering since that provides time to GW to get clever.

e.g. if there are enough subscribers to justify it, an "easy built" repulsive kit, plus the DG mortar tank thing.

will have been an interesting job for someone working out the sequencing for this - expecting the paints largely biased towards the front, but all the larger models towards the end.

Also expecting the way the rules are presented to continue as they have, not exactly providing the actual game rules until maybe a third of the way in - but a focus on smaller scenarios and "narrative" games first.

Also expecting a "special offer" for buying the rulebook and codexes at some point

I would not be expecting any easy build vehicles, but I do expect them to be split over multiple issues. This not being a problem for subscribers who get 4 at a time.

I am also not expecting anything at all to do with Matched Play, I see the magazine as purely an Open or Narrative introduction to the game, with the strong hints at the end that "you might now like to buy the full rules and codex books".
This is no different than what you get in the First Strike and Know No Fear boxes, just with more models and some background filler.

agree this will be open or narrative stuff, at best there will be data cards with power levels on, likely pre-formed with only the stats for the models you are going to get.

thought on easy build repulsive & speeder etc is more that GW have a range of easy build stuff, if they get the subscriptions here they may expand that, if not then the full kits. Either way they will be spread out.

would be highly surprised not to see various "deals" advertised (likely not much of a discount) to subscribers for the rulebook, army books, perhaps some black library stuff etc or if they have a marine army box at Crimbo etc - won't be better than you could get elsewhere but its a nice thought.

vehicles being split won't be an issue given after the first (IIRC) four issues this isn't likely in the shops

Can you make the replulsor or crawler any easier to build than they currently are?

I've never built either kit so I could be way off, but looking at the sprues they look about as straightforward as would be possible for a vehicle of that design and I'm not sure if it would be possible / economical to simplify them any further!

I did the DeAgostini partwork of the Lord of the Rings miniatures game and if I recall correctly they got really good after about 10-20 issues - the paint guides and terrain building guides were significantly better than the ones in white dwarf and I believe that GW actually hired the editor of the magazine for white dwarf. I'm hoping that we get something similar with conquest, but obviously this is a different time and a different company.

EDIT - Going back to an earlier post where we were discussing how best to equip the plague marines, I tried out the small squad with 2*Blight Launcher & Plasma Gun Champion on the table and it seems to be a decent choice for casually competitive games. It's relatively cheap and has just enough firepower to threaten the enemy but not so much that they become a high priority target. Toughness 5 and disgustingly resilient means that a 6 or 7 man squad can take much more of a beating than you'd expect. Seems to work best against multi-wound models like Primaris, and having a Daemon Prince or Chaos Lord nearby to re-roll 1's and avoid blowing up is an excellent idea. I'm in two minds about the Power Fist on the champion - it's only 13 points and will be useful as a last ditch weapon / deterrent, but I feel the points could be spent better elsewhere.

So far we worked out that number of sprues is equal to number of issues. So more expensive items are split amongst the number of issues it costs to buy the kit. normally 2 or 3. The only point of concern is the Rhino, which is a clawback month on costs.
Remember that subscribers still get the magazine, and while that is not a lot it should add up to a decent whole, and over 1:3 issues has a paint in it, which slashes out cost from £8 to £5.50. Admittedly there is no choice on the paint, but if you dont open it swapping the paint at GW is not unfeasible.

A friend advised me that Reivers are best in squads of ten, so I bought two additional issue 3 copies. No discounts from this point onwards, so it cost me £16, but for that I get +5 Reivers and a spare sergeant miniature. I will have one ten man squad plus an extra sergeant so I can have two squads if needed.
Leadbelcher paint is a useful colour to have an extra two pots of, I can see myself using that.

That is a good idea, slightly cheaper than getting the multi-part kit plus you get paint. I'll hold off and bump up my Reiver squad to 10 men later on - I already own 3 of them so I'll make do with a 5 man squad. We are getting another 3 further down the line.

Does anyone know if it's worthwhile equipping them with the grav chutes or grappel launchers, and which is best? I'm very tempted to order some bits on eBay for my squad.

EDIT - My Issue 1 marines are now painted. I bought 15 marines but sold 10 of them to a friend to kickstart his new army (kept most of the paints). The thing I dread most about this subscription is all the shoulder pads I'll have to hack away to replace with proper Blood Angels ones.



EDIT 2 - The Conquest YouTube show has confirmed that issue 6 does come with another set of Easy-Build Plague Marines. I'm not hugely excited to get a fifth set of these models but it is actually quite useful for me - it bumps me up to 5 * 7-man squads and 1* 5 man squad and 6 Blight Launchers, which is my special weapon of choice.

 GMSchofield wrote:
Can you make the replulsor or crawler any easier to build than they currently are?

I've never built either kit so I could be way off, but looking at the sprues they look about as straightforward as would be possible for a vehicle of that design and I'm not sure if it would be possible / economical to simplify them any further!

I build two PBC and it's one of the vehicles sets I have built so far, the ETB blight hauler is more challenging (stupid faceplate) . The most challenging part is to not screw up the order of parts for the track, which is a non-issue if you don't clip out all parts at once.

EDIT - Going back to an earlier post where we were discussing how best to equip the plague marines, I tried out the small squad with 2*Blight Launcher & Plasma Gun Champion on the table and it seems to be a decent choice for casually competitive games. It's relatively cheap and has just enough firepower to threaten the enemy but not so much that they become a high priority target. Toughness 5 and disgustingly resilient means that a 6 or 7 man squad can take much more of a beating than you'd expect. Seems to work best against multi-wound models like Primaris, and having a Daemon Prince or Chaos Lord nearby to re-roll 1's and avoid blowing up is an excellent idea. I'm in two minds about the Power Fist on the champion - it's only 13 points and will be useful as a last ditch weapon / deterrent, but I feel the points could be spent better elsewhere.

I usually don't give the champion a plasma gun, since one of the strength of a blight launcher squad is being able to advance and still shoot. A strategy that has proven very valuable for me has been equipping a squad with 3x plasma and just use the cloud of flies stratagem on them for the first two or three turns. They have big target on them, but your enemy just can't shoot them as long as a pox walker or drone is closer.

As for the PF - the only time my champions use their close combat weapons is when facing melee-oriented armies like WE, orks or eldar with shining spears. The plague sword for 1 point is usually better than the PF against those.


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 GMSchofield wrote:
Does anyone know if it's worthwhile equipping them with the grav chutes or grappel launchers, and which is best? I'm very tempted to order some bits on eBay for my squad.

There is a cute trick when you equip them with both. With grav-chutes you can deep-strike on top of terrain just barely outside of 9" of an enemy unit. When you declare a charge, grappel launchers allow you to ignore the horizontal distance, making the distance needed a lot shorter than 9".

That trick is by no means powerful, but it helps them getting into combat when your opponent isn't careful.

If you're taking Reivers, I'd definitely say take both chutes and grapnels. That trick is the best thing about Reivers. That doesn't necessarily make them a good unit, but if you are using them it's the best thing they can do.

 Stux wrote:
If you're taking Reivers, I'd definitely say take both chutes and grapnels. That trick is the best thing about Reivers. That doesn't necessarily make them a good unit, but if you are using them it's the best thing they can do.

I went on eBay to pick up some grappels and chutes for a 5 man easy build squad, but it's actually cheaper to buy 5 multipart reavers so I suppose I'll just have a ten man squad that way.

With the Primaris being in both Tooth & Claw / Wake the Dead there are some decent deals from people buying the box and selling off the components individually, so if anyone ever wants to order duplicate issues, they should probably check what the price is for the multipart kit on eBay first, just in case.

 GMSchofield wrote:

 Stux wrote:
If you're taking Reivers, I'd definitely say take both chutes and grapnels. That trick is the best thing about Reivers. That doesn't necessarily make them a good unit, but if you are using them it's the best thing they can do.

I went on eBay to pick up some grappels and chutes for a 5 man easy build squad, but it's actually cheaper to buy 5 multipart reavers so I suppose I'll just have a ten man squad that way.

With the Primaris being in both Tooth & Claw / Wake the Dead there are some decent deals from people buying the box and selling off the components individually, so if anyone ever wants to order duplicate issues, they should probably check what the price is for the multipart kit on eBay first, just in case.

Also outside of tournaments is anyone going to be particularly bothered if you don't have the fins on the Reivers? It only applies for deployment, so it's not like anyone is getting confused over whether you've taken them!

 Jidmah wrote:

I usually don't give the champion a plasma gun, since one of the strength of a blight launcher squad is being able to advance and still shoot. A strategy that has proven very valuable for me has been equipping a squad with 3x plasma and just use the cloud of flies stratagem on them for the first two or three turns. They have big target on them, but your enemy just can't shoot them as long as a pox walker or drone is closer.

I placed the plasma gun on a rank and file, this way I can sacrifice him to overheat and not lose the fist. I dont care if the plasma gun doesnt help with the advance it will help once you have got there. Its part of the offensive toolbox of a unit designed to hold territory. The way I think of objective grabbers like these marines is that they target locations to hold, not opponents to face, while holding territory they must be able to do something to anything that comes their way, whether elite, horde or vehicle. Yes this does remove focus from firepower but this ties in with the second reason. Because Death Guard are such a mess it is hard to see what is going on with them, so all my squads but one will be uniformly equipped with four bolter marines, one blight launcher, one plasma gun and a power fist champion. The last squad is dedicated close combat and has a mix of highly visible melee weapons, and two melta guns..

 Jidmah wrote:

As for the PF - the only time my champions use their close combat weapons is when facing melee-oriented armies like WE, orks or eldar with shining spears. The plague sword for 1 point is usually better than the PF against those.

I am not sure about powerfist also, but it is what is readily available and ticks the high strength threat box for the unit. I am content to build what I have for my Plague marines. They have a dedicated take and hold submission built into their army role. Any specific inadequacies in armament will likely fade once I have added cultists, poxwalkers, drones, tracked drones and plaguecrawlers.

 Jidmah wrote:

 GMSchofield wrote:
Does anyone know if it's worthwhile equipping them with the grav chutes or grappel launchers, and which is best? I'm very tempted to order some bits on eBay for my squad.

There is a cute trick when you equip them with both. With grav-chutes you can deep-strike on top of terrain just barely outside of 9" of an enemy unit. When you declare a charge, grappel launchers allow you to ignore the horizontal distance, making the distance needed a lot shorter than 9".

That trick is by no means powerful, but it helps them getting into combat when your opponent isn't careful.

I think those bitz make the Reivers look a real mess, and the grapple lines have a 'will break here' vibe.

I really like the fins personally. You just have to make sure they're stuck on uniformly and not all higgeldy!

I also did not use the grapnels parts, though I always equip them with grapnels. I figure they're holstered or something. Of course I make sure my opponent is aware.

And not that I bring Reivers often...

 Orlanth wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

I usually don't give the champion a plasma gun, since one of the strength of a blight launcher squad is being able to advance and still shoot. A strategy that has proven very valuable for me has been equipping a squad with 3x plasma and just use the cloud of flies stratagem on them for the first two or three turns. They have big target on them, but your enemy just can't shoot them as long as a pox walker or drone is closer.

I placed the plasma gun on a rank and file, this way I can sacrifice him to overheat and not lose the fist. I dont care if the plasma gun doesnt help with the advance it will help once you have got there. Its part of the offensive toolbox of a unit designed to hold territory. The way I think of objective grabbers like these marines is that they target locations to hold, not opponents to face, while holding territory they must be able to do something to anything that comes their way, whether elite, horde or vehicle. Yes this does remove focus from firepower but this ties in with the second reason. Because Death Guard are such a mess it is hard to see what is going on with them, so all my squads but one will be uniformly equipped with four bolter marines, one blight launcher, one plasma gun and a power fist champion. The last squad is dedicated close combat and has a mix of highly visible melee weapons, and two melta guns..

Ah, I understand.

I'd still advice on equipping each squad to fulfill one role, there are a few that work pretty well:
Stand and shoot
Plasma on champion, two marines with plasma. Tripple plasma near a daemon prince or chaos lord has become the backbone of my army. The can deal meaningful damage to almost any target in the game and outright melt a lot of dangerous things like dreads or daemon princes. Since all the plasma is in one unit, it also makes a better target for stratagems and psychic powers. I only leave home without them if I have a lot of heavy weapons in other slots.
These guys stay with the main bulk of the army since they depend of re-rolling ones to not explode.
Objective Grabbers
This squad gets two blight launchers and not much else, maybe a sword for the champions. These guys move forward onto objectives and shoot on the way there, and then stay on an objective/elevated position and defend it. This is basically what you envision your marines to do. The advantage is that they are pretty quick and blight launcher are very good at killing a large number of things, but not vehicles
Clobbering squad.
Unit gets two plague flails, two maces of contagion and axes or plague knives as your leisure, melta guns are optional additions, the champions gets a power fist. This unit hits incredibly hard in combat and can take out most things that are not lords of war. A rhino is recommended to get them somewhere to do damage.
[b]Death Guard Green Party Bus

Confirmation:

Issue 6 will contain the other three easy build Plague Marines.

Source: rear cover of issue 4.



2:04

Not clear if there is a paint with this issue.


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I'd still advice on equipping each squad to fulfill one role, there are a few that work pretty well:

As a general rule giving specific roles to common units is not a good idea. Say you bring four specialised 'tacticals' rather than four generalist. You can only apply a particular role at a particular place, and these are semi static line troops. Eldar aspect warriors get away with this because they are fast, Plague Marines are slow as treacle, got a unit out of position for its role and that is too bad.

Furthermore if one role looks like it is superior for the matchup that specific squad becomes a priority target. With multiple generalist squads they can do all roles in a mediocre fashion while also fulfilling their primary role of holding territory. They might be able to support each other with specific weapons fire, something made easier in 8th, and if one squad is targeted another can take its place in the same role.

Yes specific can be better in some circumstances as you might only deploy multiples of a specialist squad type, though that requires extra models for redundancy. Normally I would be ok with that but Death Guard are expensive as models go, and are such a mess it is simply better in my opinion to keep it simpler.

If you have a superior generalist squad to list Jidmah I am all ears.

I will however have one specialist Plague Marine squad, and only take make use of all the cool flails and scythes I can take. By its nature its easily identifiable, you cant miss a massive scythe on a model after all.

I guess it makes sense to have the lower cost models at the start, avoids people cancelling early after getting the good stuff. Still slightly surprised its not a DG character, but there you go - to me this is the start of a second PM squad. Need to buy a normal box to go with them at some point.

Would expect paints, at least most of them, in the early magazine series though - with the paints later to be the duplicates or more technical bits they will show you how to use later.

Still looking decent to me so far. Just wait for 3-6 to turn up middle of next month I guess

Its also a matter of handling multi part kits. The introduction to multipart will be the character, meaning several pages on how to separate assemble and glue him. Painting this model is simply a case of repeat what you did for the Intercessor Sergeant.

I would have thought the limited edition marine would be a capstone product, benefit for those who see through to issue 80.
But I suppose there is value in placing the model in the first non retail copy.

The exclusive Primaris character is accompanied by a purity seal motif artwork. I am wondering if there is something else on the sprue.

 Orlanth wrote:
As a general rule giving specific roles to common units is not a good idea. Say you bring four specialised 'tacticals' rather than four generalist. You can only apply a particular role at a particular place, and these are semi static line troops. Eldar aspect warriors get away with this because they are fast, Plague Marines are slow as treacle, got a unit out of position for its role and that is too bad.

But they are not comparable to aspect warriors at all. The plasma unit can pretty much shoot everything within 18" up to T7 efficiently. The blight launchers less useful to shoot T7 or T8, but it has 24" range and allows your unit do advance without losing anything. Blight launchers also benefit from the Arch-Contaminator warlord trait, plasma doesn't. In case you are playing Maelstrom, blight launchers are one of the easiest ways to complete the "kill something with a plague weapon" objective. Unless you are chopping stuff in half with a scythe-wielding primarch, that is.
Neither is specilized to take on only specific targets, both have a vast array of things they are good at killing.
Trading plasma guns for blight launchers basically means trading the ability to deal with T7 targets for more range and no more risk to overheat. The biggest advantage one has over the other is that the plasma unit costs more points.

If you mix the unit, you cannot advance without losing your plasma guns for the turn, and you cannot securely overheat your plasma gun without leaving the vicinity of an army leader, with nothing gained. You basically got the worst of both worlds.

Furthermore if one role looks like it is superior for the matchup that specific squad becomes a priority target. With multiple generalist squads they can do all roles in a mediocre fashion while also fulfilling their primary role of holding territory. They might be able to support each other with specific weapons fire, something made easier in 8th, and if one squad is targeted another can take its place in the same role.

First, you got the stratagem "cloud of flies" to prevent exactly that. When you force your opponent uses a unit of terminators or shining spears to plague marines, you are very close to winning.
The other thing is, the only time plasma is clearly superior is when your opponent has lots of tanks (T7/T8 vehicles) that are not protected by -1 to hit.

Yes specific can be better in some circumstances as you might only deploy multiples of a specialist squad type, though that requires extra models for redundancy. Normally I would be ok with that but Death Guard are expensive as models go, and are such a mess it is simply better in my opinion to keep it simpler.

If you have a superior generalist squad to list Jidmah I am all ears.

Basically the summary of the above:
Both the plasma unit and the blight launcher unit are great generalists, with different strengths and weaknesses.
1) If have yet to run into a situation where there is nothing to shoot with an overcharged plasma gun. But since they heavily rely on a re-roll aura for good damage, I don't really want more than one of those. Death Guard already tend to move as one big wrecking ball anyways, but some unit need to be able break off from your main army without losing too much.
2) Due to the nature of how boards tend to be set up, there is almost always one objective/elevated position somewhere near the middle of the board that is not very close to where the bulk of my army wants to be. That's why I usually bring a blight launcher unit (2x blight launchers 2-4x bolters maybe a sword for the champion) to defend that position. In the rare cases where there is no such thing on the table - it's not like blight launchers don't benefit at all from a nearby daemon prince or chaos lord. If I bring PBC with entropy cannons, I usually deploy them in the middle of the board anyways, so I can just put the blight launcher unit with them to protect them.
3) Death Guard are one of the few armies that can actually pull off a hammer and anvil strategy (flank with fast units, hit hard with the other ones). Next to Mortarion, daemon princes and bloat-drones, a rhino with melee-oriented plague marines are one of the possible hammer units we have. Equipped with flails, maces, axes and maybe a power-fist the can kill pretty much anything. Sadly, they are still just guys in power armor, so they are unlikely to survive if they get focused on. But they are basically not as generalist unit.
4) Grenade combo is just something fun to do once in a while. It's expensive, easy to counter if your opponent knows about it and has a non-trivial chance to simply fall flat on its face. But you don't need to build a unit specifically for this, eventually you will have the rhino from the magazine, so you can get the biologous putrefier and push some bolter marines together to form a unit, you'll have plenty of those once you have received all your models. Definitely not a generalist unit.
5) Something to mention: Someone I play with loves to play his black legion as an actual legion by fielding maxed squads of chaos space marines with bolters and just throws VotLW on them. Nothing prevents you from transporting this to Death Guard buy just fielding 20 marines with bolters and have them fire away at whatever you feel like.

TL;DR: Fist plague marine unit is always 3x Plasma. All further ones get double blight launchers to allow them to split off from the main body of the army and provide fire support while sitting on an objective/strategic position being able to advance and shoot provides them with the necessary speed to do so. My default troops are a playma unit, a blight launcher unit and a unit of 10 pox walker who are left to rot on an objective somewhere.

leopard wrote:
agree this will be open or narrative stuff, at best there will be data cards with power levels on, likely pre-formed with only the stats for the models you are going to get.

Having now read Issue 1, I am 99% certain of this because the first paragraph on the inside of the front cover basically says "If you have never heard of Warhammer 40,000, this magazine is for you".

Issues 3-6 arrived this morning (much earlier than expected!).

The Liutenant is a good model- covered in UM details, shoulder pads are seperate, two different heads and some Ultramarine themed purity seals details to attach.
No paints with issue 5 or 6.
Issue 7 comes with a pot of Agrax Earthshade and a pot of Nuln Oil.
Issue 8 comes with a Primaris Librarian.

Look, it's my two most used paints

GW might as well sell those in buckets, if you ask me

Here's my baseless speculation.

I'm assuming the Dark Imperium sets and larger kits will be arranged so they arrive in the 4 issue chunks they deliver in, and that they will try and keep the DG and Primaris armies growing at roughly the same rate.

Based on that I reckon issue 9 will be "your first terrain" and will be a single sprue terrain piece. Issue 10 could be the first Death Guard character to match off against the Librarian and Lieutenant.

As of issue 6 we're at 208pts of Death Guard and 182pts of Primaris, although issue 8 bumps that up to 283pts of Primaris. Adding a Foul Blightspawn would make the points values match almost perfectly, but I'm not expecting them to make the point match perfectly month by month!

If they go straight into Dark Imperium with issue 11 then both armies would be at roughly 1000pts by Christmas.

EDIT

Just thought I'd share this for anyone not subscribed to the magazine but inexplicably reading this thread. Here's the stuff that subscribers will have accumulated by issue 6 for the cost of £31:

£24 for those that "subscribed" when it was first announced in the spring. I am very happy with my subscription thus far, fingers crossed for no issues.

thats a lot earlier than expected, will have to keep my eyes open, wasn't expecting anything for a fortnight...



and heres me with a desk full or orks primed and ready to paint I was hoping to shift before this arrived.

Nice on the two large pots of wash arriving soon though, normally use VMC shades but the GW ones are a nice "pre-diluted" option and I've found a home for both here.

Interesting to see psi arriving this soon

Video on issue 5: from 5:15




£1.10 saving buying issue 7 twice for the washes. No miniature though, or would get a bunch/

Large saving on multiple copies of issue 8.


Not happy that the exclusive miniatures is covered in Ultrasmurf iconography.

New issue of Conquest youtube show has revealed what to expect in issue 9 and 10.

https://youtu.be/prkl6UrfchQ?t=1285

- Another 6 Poxwalkers
- Myphitic Blight Hauler

I'm looking forward to the next delivery - I've already got a pair of Blight Haulers and I've been itching to try a unit of three out on the table, the Primaris Librarian is a beautiful model I can't wait to add to my Blood Angels army, and more Poxwalkers are always good. The shade's aren't too exciting, but I can't deny they're useful.

The Blight Hauler is a good one to order multiples, regular GW price is £15, even compared to a third party store like Wayland or Element you're getting a saving of around £4. Fast attack choice that can be taken in units of up to 3 models, they are one of the few sources of long range anti-tank in the DG codex and get bonuses if you take a full unit of 3.

Still waiting on 3, 4, 5 & 6 here, nice to know what the full contents of 7, 8, 9 & 10 will be though

extra poxwalkers is good, ok 12 isn't amazing, but at least its actually usable

leopard wrote:
extra poxwalkers is good, ok 12 isn't amazing, but at least its actually usable

For the hypothetical new player who only has Conquest, this gives them a fun little 450pts patrol list for small games, if they proxy the second champion as a Chaos Lord with Combi-Plasma and Power Fist. Wouldn't really be fair to use it against the Primaris as they're stuck at just 285pts. :-(

Hopefully they'll include Dark Imperium sooner rather than later - those units would bump both armies up to over 1000pts, although the Primaris would be a troop choice short of a battalion detachment.

Conquest only will give you 22 Poxwalkers, a reasonable sized unit. 10 Dark Imperium and 12 easy to build.


Dealings with Hachette Publishing
I had an 'interesting' conversation with Hachette customer services today, plus feedback on bonus issues in general.
Customer services were helpful and friendly up to a point but the company itself has issues.

First the good news

Please note that you can now buy the exclusive miniature for £7.99, plus £1.99 p&p
https://hachettepartworks.com/warhammer-40000-conquest/warhammer-40000-conquest-issue-5

Even if you don't buy anything else £10 for an exclusive miniature is an Ok price. There are still copies ready for you to buy.
There is however a limit of one per order. It might prevent repeat orders also, but I don't know about that.
At least may major fear has been dispelled, that extra issues would not be available. They are even for the exclusive miniature.
If you can buy a project exclusive openly (for now) from Hachette then I am now confident you can buy anything else. The one extra copy limit rule might or might not apply. It should be bypassable, but I haven't tried. yes this mini has an ebay value, but its a mandatory Ultrasmurf which reduces its appeal to me.

Anyway I have been buying books from Hachette from the 40K Legends range. My plan now is to do a subscription from the current issues, 41 or higher to start as of current time, and buy th extra backcopies on a weekly basis alongside those extra issues of Consquest I want.
I bought the extra Ultrasmurf for a friend plus two books yesterday, 6 days standard free delivery. A week ago I bought six books costing over £50 and qualifying for next day delivery.
However my first batch of books even with upgraded delivery has not arrived.

So today I phoned up after them. Apparently they were listed as 'dispatched' on the day of issue, but with a delivery window of 7-14 days. The second order though not listed as next day dispatch is already listed as dispatched, but under same conditions. No tracking numbers were available, but there is full receipt at least.
Now I am beginning to encounter Hachettes bugbear which has long been the cause of bad reviews.

Yes we can order extra issues, or nice looking 40K books. I have looked at the 40K legends collection and it has decent stuff. But it appears that everything is at the whim of the dice gods. I have to roll 3d6 and add that to delivery time. At least the websites complaining about Hachette deliveries complain about orders being frequently late, but not missing per se. Hachette are inefficient but are not thieves. When we want to buy bonus orders, be prepared for delays, come to expect them. Thankfully these are not perishables, and patience for toys should be not too much t ask.

Sample video on 40k Legends. I think these are a fair buy at £10 each. Remember though guys this means a commitment of £800 for the full collection of 80 books, which is a lot of money however you split it.







Please note that books are going out of print but are being replenished. Some books went out of print two weeks ago and the whole line was restocked. Possibly due to increased interest post Conquest.
If you buy backstock books to add to a newer subscription, or just buy individual books (or not at all) is up to you.

If I havent had my delivery by a further two weeks time I will chase it up and come back to you when the books arrive. I want to put Hachettes delivery system to the test, and for most of us using that will be a big part of our plans for the next two years.

I plan to convert the Lieutenant by replacing the Legs, Body, Arms, Head, Backpack, Weapons, Accessories, Base and all other components with the parts from the Blood Angels Lieutenant miniature. I've given all the leftovers to a friend who plays Ultramarines.

 Orlanth wrote:
Conquest only will give you 22 Poxwalkers, a reasonable sized unit. 10 Dark Imperium and 12 easy to build.

It's 32 Poxwalkers - Dark Imperium comes with two duplicate sprues of them, 10 poxwalkers and half a plague marine per sprue. You can see all 32 on the poster.

 Orlanth wrote:
Yes we can order extra issues, or nice looking 40K books. I have looked at the 40K legends collection and it has decent stuff. But it appears that everything is at the whim of the dice gods. I have to roll 3d6 and add that to delivery time. At least the websites complaining about Hachette deliveries complain about orders being frequently late, but not missing per se. Hachette are inefficient but are not thieves. When we want to buy bonus orders, be prepared for delays, come to expect them. Thankfully these are not perishables, and patience for toys should be not too much t ask.

I bought issue 1 of Legends and subscribed to pick a few books up, but they cancelled the subscription! I didn't chase up the cancelled subscription in the end. The First Heretic is a great book, and the legends edition comes with a colour section in the middle featuring story-appropriate artwork (taken from all over the place - the horus heresy trading cards, forgeworld books, concept sketches, black library covers etc). One thing to note is that it's not the highest quality hardback - although it's perfectly serviceable and isn't going to fall apart, both the pages and the cover feels thinner and less stiff than other new hardbacks I own. That's to be expected though - looking at the two books I pulled off the shelf to compare it to, they have an RRP of £22.99 and £25, compared to just £9.99 for the Legends books!

The week-long+ wait for next day delivery sounds awful, but not entirely unexpected for this company.

Looking at the Legends collection there are some good choices in there. The Eisenhorn trilogy, First Heretic, Know No Fear, A Thousand Sons, Prospero Burns and Betrayer are all great books IMO. I'm a bit surprised not to see Talon of Horus!

 GMSchofield wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Conquest only will give you 22 Poxwalkers, a reasonable sized unit. 10 Dark Imperium and 12 easy to build.

It's 32 Poxwalkers - Dark Imperium comes with two duplicate sprues of them, 10 poxwalkers and half a plague marine per sprue. You can see all 32 on the poster.

Thanks for the correction, I couldn't remember off head if we get all of Dark Imperium, loking up we do. I bought an extra copy of Issue 4 from my local GW today, and I ordered 10 more Poxwalkers on ebay a couple of weeks back. To run Typhus properly and make use of his abilities you need a lot of Poxwalkers. I wonder if 48 counts as a lot.

 GMSchofield wrote:

One thing to note is that it's not the highest quality hardback - although it's perfectly serviceable and isn't going to fall apart, both the pages and the cover feels thinner and less stiff than other new hardbacks I own. That's to be expected though - looking at the two books I pulled off the shelf to compare it to, they have an RRP of £22.99 and £25, compared to just £9.99 for the Legends books!

Thanks for the headsup. So long as the paper is of paperback thickness it will do, too many hardback books go off the deep end with quality. The hard cover being weaker is more problematic, but so long as the bindings are true that does both me much.

 GMSchofield wrote:

The week-long+ wait for next day delivery sounds awful, but not entirely unexpected for this company.

Delays I can handle, missing post and damaged post will be the issues. Unpacking videos of Hachette books show them to be well packaged. I am concerned about bent and creased magazines, but the magazine was always a secondary concern.

I am taking this like a Kickstarter, I am willing to put up with delivery delays in return for a good deal.

 GMSchofield wrote:

Looking at the Legends collection there are some good choices in there. The Eisenhorn trilogy, First Heretic, Know No Fear, A Thousand Sons, Prospero Burns and Betrayer are all great books IMO. I'm a bit surprised not to see Talon of Horus!

With the reprinting going on and the bonus sales on the back of Conquest they might extend the collection. I learned today that the delivery order is not the collection order. Issue numbers are on stickers on the front cover, collection orders are on the spine and differ,

3-6 turned up today, nice sized box that was mostly air.

Officer model is pretty nice, and can be de-smurfed without a huge amount of trouble, not assembled the rest as yet.

Slightly surprised the magazines haven't gone to showing the profiles as yet, given they now have multiple toughnesses, various weapon types etc I would have thought a focus on the profiles about I5 or I6 would have been a good idea (for the character or the poxwalkers), guessing that will come later though.

enjoying the way they have seriously illustrated the rules though, thats very well done and with a bit of luck when they get round to up-issuing the main rules a summary of this sort of thing would be a nice "getting started" guide (either in the box or with the rulebook).

Paint guides are decent as well, now rotating marines to show the rear better.

All in all, happy so far

In the mags so far there is a separate to wound roll for Poxwalkers. Its a logical stopgap.

 Orlanth wrote:
In the mags so far there is a separate to wound roll for Poxwalkers. Its a logical stopgap.

oh it works, its just clunky, was expecting them to stick as they have when its basically marine v marine, but the current 8th edition profiles are not hard to use.

just expected the "to wound" mechanic to have been explained.

dare say it will come, I'm liking the very heavily illustrated way they are doing the rules though

What is simple to us may be complex to others.

GW benefits from an introduction to the ruleset workable to people who have no access to a games club.

Due to store saturation in the UK though the primary benefit in the partworks is in some way misplaced. It would be a far better idea doing this in the US and Canada. However Hachette is a UK company, and it works in other ways too.

Maybe a US partwork magazine company will licence this series.

 Orlanth wrote:
What is simple to us may be complex to others.

GW benefits from an introduction to the ruleset workable to people who have no access to a games club.

Due to store saturation in the UK though the primary benefit in the partworks is in some way misplaced. It would be a far better idea doing this in the US and Canada. However Hachette is a UK company, and it works in other ways too.

Maybe a US partwork magazine company will licence this series.

hope this goes world wide, its a pretty good series. and totally agree on saturation in the UK

Just would have though that explaining the S v T dice roll and stats, plus the AP system would have been easier than the current "do this, except when you do this, or this or this" - it made sense for marine v marine.

the way they are covering stuff in a seriously well illustrated way seems specifically aimed at people who have no club and don't know anyone who plays - which is exactly the right way to teach a ruleset.

My second subscription delivery arrived today. It was interesting how it panned out.

A few weeks back I downgraded from premium to standard subscription, I was informed by the CSA that would just change my subscription, I would be refunded the extra £4 I paid premium and my subscription would continue under a new number.

What I found today was what that meant. I only received issues 3 and 4 in this delivery so I will be permanently about two issues behind everyone else, that isn't an issue as I can keep up with which issues to buy extra of from YouTube openings. My package cost me £7.99 because issue 3 is still free. Most importantly this now counts as delivery 1 of my reformed subscription, so like last time I get just two issues, but also got free glue, clippers and mold line remover. The extra glue will come in handy and the extra clippers I will give away. i will box the spare mold line remover it appears the sort of thing that can easily go astray, but I might give it away if anyone in my local needs it.

All in all I am happy how this worked out, I had separately ordered a second copy of issue 5 from Hachette along with two books. The books did not arrive but the magazine did, I queried this is the SR's who confirmed the books were packaged from a different location. Which means so long as you order items together to get over £25 you get free shipping even if the items arrive separately.

Hachette Partworks has some weird business policies and appears very amateur to me, but so long as I get what I pay for this is fine. My other order of 40K Legends books has arrived and I am pleased with the quality. The last two days I have been nose into Dan Abnetts Titanicus.

People might take interest in knowing they can stop and restart subscription and relock the subscription benefits and gain them again. Though this was not my intention. It might be possible to restart at 1 still be a solid 4+ issues behind but get another copy of issue 1 if you didnt get enough of the extra freebies (there ARE some left over but only for subscription). Issue 1 start is still possible as of time of writing.

I realized that this partworks isn't right for me and I decided to cancel after the second delivery. I canceled by email, and received a response promptly. Within three or four days my account shows the subscription as "cancelled" and it doesn't look like I'll get billed for a third delivery - for now at least. I'll update if things change.
(I have family in the UK in case the flag on the left has anyone wondering).

Got my first delivery. I started with issue 4, so expected 4 &5, what I received was 4,5 and 6. As I was charged for 2 issues, I'm guessing I have my free copy too.

At the moment I am just doing the DG stuff, but only because I need to pick a non smurf army to build. what I'm really waiting for is terain and vehicles

 Dr Coconut wrote:
Got my first delivery. I started with issue 4, so expected 4 &5, what I received was 4,5 and 6. As I was charged for 2 issues, I'm guessing I have my free copy too.

At the moment I am just doing the DG stuff, but only because I need to pick a non smurf army to build. what I'm really waiting for is terain and vehicles

Have my own colours as an alternative to smurfs here, thankfully the toilet seats were not too hard to remove from the nice character model. Hoping to paint this lot as they arrive so as not to fall too far behind...

certainly interested in the terrain though and expect some containers reasonably soon as they are on the little starter mat

Yesterday I bought two copies of issue 10, one for a friend and a spoare for me.

Looking at the back I was able to finally know which issue had the Blight Haulers.

I pre-ordered five from WH Smith, this is likely my largest single issue purchase.

My question for today. Are two trilobes of Blight Haulers too excessive?

 Orlanth wrote:
Yesterday I bought two copies of issue 10, one for a friend and a spoare for me.

Looking at the back I was able to finally know which issue had the Blight Haulers.

I pre-ordered five from WH Smith, this is likely my largest single issue purchase.

My question for today. Are two trilobes of Blight Haulers too excessive?

If you have issue 10, can you confirm what we should expect in issues 11 and 12 from the back?

Oh and six Blight Haulers is definitely not too many

Over on the news and rumours thread GM Schofield has confirmed that the ETB Aggressors will be the miniatures in issue 11.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Over on the news and rumours thread GM Schofield has confirmed that the TTB Aggressors will be the miniatures in issue 11.

Ooh nice! Cheers for the heads up. Fingers crossed their will be some form of Death Guard character in the next delivery to even things up a bit. Maybe Lord Felthius and friends?

 Morskul wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Yesterday I bought two copies of issue 10, one for a friend and a spoare for me.

Looking at the back I was able to finally know which issue had the Blight Haulers.

I pre-ordered five from WH Smith, this is likely my largest single issue purchase.

My question for today. Are two trilobes of Blight Haulers too excessive?

If you have issue 10, can you confirm what we should expect in issues 11 and 12 from the back?

Oh and six Blight Haulers is definitely not too many

I have issue 8, which is the latest. £8 for a Primaris Librarian retailing for £22.50, the best deal since issue 1 so far.
On the back of each issue the next two issues are advertised, anything beyond that is generally rumour. We know roughly what is coming another 2 or so issues ahead from different sources, but no surity until the order is released. Hence we knew the Blight hauler was coming, but not which issue.
Hence I can only be sure up to issue 10, not from issue 10 (see below).

I strongly advise pre-ordering from your local newsagent, especially if you want more thna one copy, as they can order it in on top of their regular stock. This is the only blight hauler in the entire campaign, and its best to use in squads of three, so it makes sense to order two extra, or more if you are collecting Death Guard.

 Morskul wrote:


Oh and six Blight Haulers is definitely not too many

It was now or never for the price so I decided to get two trilobes of Blight Haulers I will assemble one and hold back on the other. Death Guard dont have much in the way of heavy weapons, so this is my shooty army option. I have no idea how viable that is.

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ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Over on the news and rumours thread GM Schofield has confirmed that the ETB Aggressors will be the miniatures in issue 11.

Yep, some have the subscriptions already. Mine are delayed because of moving from Premium to Standard.

Issue 11 are the not-Firebats and Issue 12 is the Foul Blightspawn. Definitely getting more Aggressors. One extra issue, or three hmmm, but I think the one Blightspawn will do.

Just a heads up but on the back of issue 10 shows that the ETB aggressors are issue 11 models while the Death Guard chem backpack character is issue 12 model.

Thanks for the heads up.

(read the last line in the post above)

Are you going to buy extra issues of aggressors?

Just out of interest, I'm a relative newcomer to the hobby, and thought I'd give my newbie 2c.

I've found Conquest a pretty great way to get deeper into it and actually build/paint something rather than just buying and hoarding and putting 1 or 2 together every blue moon. I picked up an issue out of impulse and subscribed right after. The staggered release is a feature from my point of view, it keeps my low attention span in check and makes it very accessible for somebody who wants something passably decent for game use. I have been using text and video tutorials, but tbh my eyes tend to glaze over a little when it gets info-dense, so this is ideal for me.

I've been painting mostly IG thus far, and their fatigues - if not their tiny little jerk faces - are fairly forgiving to my clumsy mitten hands. As a kind of experiment though, I'm going to paint the DG exactly as outlined, because I'm not super interested in them as an army, I'm just using them for practice and I figure they're meant to be ugly as hell anyway it doesn't matter so much. The marines, I cheated a little and basecoated, but otherwise, same, I'll come back and paint exactly as outlined once I feel a little cockier (though my resolve wavered a little when I saw the Blood Angels earlier in thread).

I already had my own tools and paints, but I was impressed with the ones supplied, it would have been a great starting point to upgrade as needed (apart from the crappy brush), and the mini rules are really nicely designed to reward you with something playable quickly.

I had a quick look, but is there an up to date at a glance list of what we know to come with each issue so far?

Basecoating isnt cheating, the step is omitted because Hachee cannot ship spray cans.

Citadel base paints can go over plastic, but a spray primer is always advised. You can buy primer in Death guard Green and Macragge Blue, this makes things easier.

"Cheating" in terms of the self imposed challenge. I'm curious what results a novice following the mag instructions to the letter can get, and my DG figures are essentially paintbrush target practice.

If you want a challenge, try the white color scheme seen in the codex for your DG

Primer won't help you with that.

 Jidmah wrote:
If you want a challenge, try the white color scheme seen in the codex for your DG

Primer won't help you with that.

I suppose for the challenge you only use the paints the magazine provides. Maybe restricted to only using the crap starter brush, Emperor forbid. White will be available at some point, but it isn't released yet.

I would not consider it cheating on the challenge to give everything a white or black undercoat, or to use better brushes.

There is one advantage to appreciate about brush undercoating. The subscription campaign does offer several pots of Death Guard Green and Macragge Blue, four of each without having to buy extras, so wasteage is minimal and the task realistic.

At the moment, I'm following the steps for painting the Ultramarines (although with an added recess wash of Nuln Oil on the blue). Whether I continue with that or start doing my own thjing depends on when other paints come along, and whether we get any of the highlight colours for blue armour.

WH Smith fethed up my order, and didn't get in my pre-order of issue 10. Those copies they did get were sold by the time I visited the store.

Anyone know a newsagent that stocks Conquest, preferably one that will ship.

Happy with my issues 1-10 progress:



All told I have paid £56 (I got issues 1-3 free because I was an early adopter) for £112 worth of product direct from GW and that calculation excludes the paints.

Quite satisfying to see the whole lot like that. Nice work, too.

Ok, I sourced my blight haulers. Cost me £11 each for two, then the store managed to source three more.

Things are looking up. Now I am looking at conversions to make my blight haulers look different.

Only have one here but did wonder on a couple more (eventually), possibly conversion thoughts from putting the one together - cut the front track units and refit at a different angle - e.g. driving over something.

possibly add a few tentacles on the fleshy bit?

battle damage, anything that changes the brasswork logo on the front should work.

trying not to buy more here currently, have some Orks on the go at the same time and trying to avoid swamping myself.

great idea though, find myself hoping when this one finishes GW do another two armies in another run

Issue 13 and 14 are:

A. Large drybrush and pot of Mechanicus Standard Grey. RRP £8.20 (£5.65 for the drybrush, plus £2.55 for the paint)

B. One sprue of terrain. A Munitorum container with three barrels and two crates. - RRP £10 (from set of three for £30)



Listed as A and B because I don't know which order they are in.
Source:


end of video

So we get some filler issues. i was expecting exactly what we got for the terrain, one cargo container as an early terrain piece.
A pot of paint and a brush is the least value set yet, only just capping break even on price. However there is some good news there too. The drybrush was not listed on the contents of the campaign, so we will be getting more materials than listed.
Still, why a large drybrush? Wouldn't a medium serve better. I think this issue is for intro basing. Still more brushres is good news, while brushes are promised as the fifth subscription gift the gifts are not included in the campaign contents and one starter brush just doesnt cut it. Hopefully we will get some better base and layer brushes in later issues also. This will mean more filler issues, but I don't mind that as it squeezes more value into the other issues when this is done.

So, I suddenly remembered about a newsagents in the town close to where I lived, so I did a little snooping while getting wrapping paper, and I spotted the late issue, #10, still in the window.

Went in and asked if they were planning to stock every issue. They were indeed, and they said they can order in more if required and can hold one for me if needed.

Absolutely fantastic result! Independent, local newsagents FTW!

And it's helping your High Street, which is a good thing

It has been a long time since i last posted here, and my blog had stalled.
Truth be told I was having lots of problems with my Hachette Subscriptions, both for Legends and Conquest. This week they got resolved BIG TIME. So Orlanth is back with some news and reviews.

Problems with multi ordering

Twice now I have made orders of one Conquest magazine and two Legends books. This is to get my order total above £25 for free shipping and because its a quicker way to get the books. It worked for me, up to a point. Hachette are reliable for shipping magazines, or books, I have ordered books separately before and received them with no problems. However they are unrelaible at shipping combined orders of books and magazines. The problem was the database could total the amount correctly, assessing my order cost £27.97 (2x £9.99 books plus 1x £7.99 magazine) but only listed the magazine on the order inventory. This is a **double facepalm** mail ordering systems error. Hachette order database cannot apparently handle items from more than one product line, it would be like trying to order AoS and 40K items from GW website ans finding their order system could only list one or the other on the delivery teams shipping dockets.
Last week I put in my second near identical order, different issues but same arrangement. Both did arrive but they arrived seperately on different days. This however was because Hachette were monitoring this and were on the case to sort this error.

How to handle Issues at Hachette.

Hachette Customer services are polite and approachable, but not the most competent and have access to a dodgy client database. They are also very slow to respond and have errors in response. Comments on this were made in the OP. Hachette have been victims of their own success, a formerly sleepy company has now got a product line that is worth all their others combined, are already into profdit since issues 5 or 6, and it much bigger thna they expected. Customer services needed to step up. Thankfully it has.
Troubleshooters were apppointed and they are very efficient. You still have the sleepy CSRs from South Africa to deal with but if you contact Hachette corporate they will give you direct emails for Hachette Partworks.

https://www.hachette.co.uk/landing-page/hachette/contact-us/

It appears since I did this in October, Hachette have themselves stepped up and included info for contacting Hachette Partworks troubleshooters on their contact us page themselves. The notification above wasnt there before, and as I heard when contaacting Hachette UK I was not the only dissatisfied customer contacting them for a resolution.

Anyway the idea is to get put through to either Holly or Isabelle at Hachette Partworks as they will sort things out. They did for me.

My resolution.

Whatever amateur customer services I might have had prior to this has been more thna made up for. I had missing gifts from the Warhammer Legends line, missing delivery iteams from their order system, and a failure of the direct debit system which not only delayed my shipments but finally sending failure to pay threat letters for a subscription I had an active direct debit for, that hasd previously been charged on and had always had enough funds to pay.

Hachettes response. Send me all my missing gifts, send me all my missing books, and because I was now way behind everyone, reset my Conquest subscription to start at issue 19 and ship me all the issues from 5 to 18 by priority post, for free. I received two large boxes today, one containing them ssing books and Legends gifts and the other containing the issues of Conquest, my folder, my painting handle, and no billing!!
Frankly I was not expecting this level of generosity, Hachette had messed up but they also fixed it good.

Now where were we with issues? YouTube goes as far as issue 16. So lets start there and also give you a heads up as far as issue 20. I will not be reviewing the articles in the magazines, only the supplementary models and tools.



Issue 16.

With Issue 16 we see the first of the Dark Imperium boxset sprues. Retail value N/A, one of eight sprues with Dark Imperium costing £95.
You get this one:



This is one of two identical sprues. These will contain one Inceptor, two Hellblasters and two Intercessors.
In my opinion you should buy two extra copies of this issue or the other similar upcoming issue. Some others have the same idea as issue 16 is one of those that went out of stock very quickly. The going price on ebay for the Marine half of the miniatures is between £35 and £50. It will cost us £32 in the subscription. On a price per sprue we are doing quite well and should be below or around ebay prices for same.
Assuming you are a subscriber and have only what the subscription gives you, with maybe an issue or two bought on the side, may I suggest you get two extra sprues. This will mean two extra Inceptors for a 'proper' squad of five. Four extra Intercessors which will be enough to turn the three Intercessors from issue one into a viable legal squad of seven. If you bought an extra copy of issue one you now have enough for a full legal squad of ten, both excluding the ten Dark Imperium Intercessors you will get from the subscription itself. The four extra Hellblasters gives you a total of nine, however if you do a bit of bits searching or a conversion you could add a plasma pistol to a spare miniature, either a bonus Intercessor sergeant model or the stalker bolter leiutenant you get later, and turn him into a Hellblaster sergeant for a ten man squad.


Issue 17

This issue is a filler issue with a container sprue. With a £10 retail tag this issue is a little over break even. Some subscribers have been buying issues with the containers for extra containers. £8 is better than £10 right? My advice for those who want more containers is not to buy extra copies of the issues with them. Instead buy a Killzone Sector Munitorum:

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60220699003_KillzoneSectorMunitorumENG01.jpg

You get six crates for £50 (six issues cost £48) but also get a hard map and a full set of Galvanic Servohaulers. Far better deal, and the online price is normally about £38-£42 anyway, though this may include shipping.


Issue 18

Contains two pots of paint and a paper map. Total value £5.10 for paints N/A for paper map.
It had to happen, issue 18 is the first actual issue with a total value less than the subscription cost. Dont lament this though, it is to be expected, even encouraged. We get the items promised at the start over the 80 issues, if some issues have poor total value in contents then collect one of each for the completion of the subscription, and know that for every iissue under the £8 value mark there will be more considerably over it. As calculated in the OP there is a 40% difference between retail value and the subscription cost, and that dividend is unevenly distributed over the issues.
All this means is that I will not be rushing to WH Smith to buy an extra issue of issue 18. I suggest you dont either.
It is at this point I should look at the magazine itself, normally I dont review it, except to look at the back page, but this once I will take the trouble to remind subscribers that while we are after the goodies, the magazine itself is still of value to us, when added to its folder as a collective work. If we discard the paper map for value purposes we have a shortfall of £2.89. expensive but not an unreasonable price for a magazine that one wants. I think if this is as bad as it gets we are not doing too badly.

The paints in the issue are Rakarth Flesh and Mephiston Red. These colours at least are welcome, we were overdue a red. The red is added to the primaris librarians cloak, sergeants helmets in the default Ultramarine line and some odd highlights. Rakarth flesh is added to the text scrolls of purity seals, bone outgrowth on plague marines, skulls and teeth. Looking at the official paint scheme its certainly getting there, but all this work is ambitious for the little crappy starter brush.

The new paper map is for a new warzone. In the storyline the fighting moves on from th deck of an Ultramarines cruiser, and the little into map is left behind. The new map is of good quality heavy paper.light card and is rigid and is A1 sized. It is two sided urban map very similar to the current 40K plastic urban boards.
The map its two sided one side just shows a T-junction of Imperium urban streets. The other side is the same map but with new printed on terrain. The printed on terrain items are Ryza pattern ruins, Plasma conduits and the very old 90's Battlefield Accessory set.





The second to last page shows that the fighting has moved to Korvon II, with an image of the terrain map included in issue 18 with the above terrain items on it. The magazine did foreshadow that over the campaign there would be four locations to fight on. The first being the warship cargo deck with three containers, the second will include these items probably over issues 21 to 40. I see how this fits in with the premium content which provides the same map as a hard card map. Similar in a way to the map in Moon base Klaisus though a unique product of itself. We can expect an Ad-Mech battlefield as the third or fourth location allowing for what's next.
With a double sized map we can expect to see larger showcased battles.

Now for the back cover:

Issue 19 contains: Lord Felthius and the Blightlord Terminators. Costing £25.
- At last a proper Nurgle command character, and an easy option while kicking the Dark Imperium sprue can down the road. I was frankly expecting this later but it makes sense to have it now. The Nurgle half of Dark Imperium is going to be problematic, subscribers will need to learn they cannot complete an issues build from one sprue, its probably clearer to start this with a clear two issue kit like a vehicle before including miniatures with parts of several models over several sprues.
I don't know as yet whether I want to buy more than one copy of this issue. Nurgle terminators are not cheap, but the models on this set are of limited value due to poor loadout optimisation.


Issue 20 contains: Armoured Container. Costing £10
- Your third and final armoured container coming soon. While I would have prefered a start on other terrain and have the third container spaced out better it goes well with the new map in Issue 18. Rather than have a starter map with three printed on containers, we now have a better detailed map and three real containers to add to it. Note that Issue 20 is also when Premium subscribers get a hard map, similar to the quality found on Moon Base Klaisus or the Killzone sets.

Since I had my subscription issues fixed I went from well behind to the front of the queue.

Today I got issues 19, 20, 21 and 22. These are already released. I also received the artbook and a notification that £15 was added to my bill.

The artbook is only 64 pages and is smaller than A4, not stellar value for £15 but the production quality is good, the artwork within is nothing we havent seen before, (there may yet be one or two original works) and it is the high quality we expect from GW. The spine has the Games Workshop logo not Hachette Publications.
I will say for it that the book is in its own sturdy heavy card sleeve and is artistically and creatively done.
It's a quality product folks, and if you are unsure about the price please remember its subscribers only so will have a good resale value if looked after.

The book comes shrinkwrapped, so a tip for you. If you carefully jab a craft knife into the sleeve and run it around the inside you can free the book and remove only a letterbox of sleeve. The thick card keeps the remaining film intact and it becomes a transparent dust cover for you.

The rumoured contents from the leaked Spanish source are accurate as far as Issue 24 and should in my opinion be considered reliable for the remainder of the campaign.