Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, currently looking at selling on my existing sector Mechanicus. Because sadly, the Omnissiah took my car into His Ever Logical Arms last weekend, so I need new wheels.
Stuff like this might help me rebuild the collection in months to come, with a better focus!
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Also, currently looking at selling on my existing sector Mechanicus. Because sadly, the Omnissiah took my car into His Ever Logical Arms last weekend, so I need new wheels.
Stuff like this might help me rebuild the collection in months to come, with a better focus!
Keep in mind christmas bundles tend to be limited sale so in few months you are forced to chase odd remnants in tiny stores.
And 8 others to be revealed later, for 10 army deals in total.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Anyone want to calculate savings on that, assuming standard army deal price? They look a bit meh to me at first glance.
lord_blackfang wrote: Looks like it's €200 for €130 on Death Guard and €210 for €130 for Idoneth. Massive savings on paper, but man, are those some pricy models.
Yeah, the Christmas bundles are usually a pretty good, but still expensive!
Hoping they have some good bundles for my AoS armies.
lord_blackfang wrote: Looks like it's €200 for €130 on Death Guard and €210 for €130 for Idoneth. Massive savings on paper, but man, are those some pricy models.
Idoneth's a bit of a weird army with regards to structuring.
With this boxed set, you get two Battleline units(Reavers and Thralls)--if you add an Akhelian King, it remains at two(Reavers are "Battleline If" with Isharan[Tidecaster has this keyword]) as the Akhelian Eel Riders get Battleline with a King as General.
$90 of that box is tied up in the two sharks. The Eels are a lot bigger than most people think(they take up the same base that the Gryph-Chargers, Dracoths, and Varanguard feature) but $50 for them felt a bit much--as did $50 for 10 Thralls or Reavers.
amazingturtles wrote: Interesting to see the deepkin, i keep hoping for a start collecting box for them... which is not this, but it's still nice to see.
With the Kharadron Overlords and Stormcast Vanguard Chamber, we saw a Battleforce before a Start Collecting set--I think this is going to be the manner to expect the Deepkin to go.
I'd expect the Deepkin SC to be something like: -Akhelian King($40USD) -Akhelian Eel Riders($50USD) -Namarti Thralls OR Reavers(guessing Reavers, Thralls were big sellers)
Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised to see a GSC box. Tau got two different ones within two years. We could see a box with the Aberrants and Abominants.
That AoS desolate Town could mesh well with Eldar eldritch ruins and deathworld terrain to represent an ancient Eldar settlement lost to time and carnivorous shrubs!
NAVARRO wrote:Curious to see if one of the 10 boxes is a primaris only.
I'm thinking that it might be the case, certainly. Wouldn't be surprised to see a Start Collecting set for them next year too.
Breotan wrote:Does that Derelict Manufactorum have new sprues? I can't see GW putting conversions on the box art. Hmm...
It seems to have some, yes. I'm thinking they have a kind of "Industrial Ruins" sprue they're planning on putting out ala the Sector Imperialis Ruins.
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Cephalobeard wrote: Man. Do I wait out for another GSC Box, or do I cash in on eBay while tooth and claw is cheap.
Tough.
If you want Aberrants and Abominant? Go T&C now.
If you want literally everything else?
You're better off playing the "wait and see" game. Insurrection Force was recently pulled from the GW webstore(they finally sold through it, I think).
The Manufactrorum has some broken pipe and tank pieces that are new, and the Plasma Nexus and Munitions Hub have floor pieces that are repurposed from the Skyshield Landing Pad (not the same parts, but the same digital assets). Those last pieces were "previewed" months ago, on the Killzone: Sector Munitorum Environment Expansion for Kill Team.
AndrewGPaul wrote: The Manufactrorum has some broken pipe and tank pieces that are new, and the Plasma Nexus and Munitions Hub have floor pieces that are repurposed from the Skyshield Landing Pad (not the same parts, but the same digital assets). Those last pieces were "previewed" months ago, on the Killzone: Sector Munitorum Environment Expansion for Kill Team.
That is actually something I hadn't considered--I wonder if those boxes will include the card bits?
AndrewGPaul wrote: ... and the Plasma Nexus and Munitions Hub have floor pieces that are repurposed from the Skyshield Landing Pad (not the same parts, but the same digital assets).
I don't think those are real pieces they'll be selling. I think they're just to give them something that isn't the city or the regular RoB board for a base.
Breotan wrote: Does that Derelict Manufactorum have new sprues? I can't see GW putting conversions on the box art. Hmm...
There are definitely new wall sections in that kit.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Can anyone tell from the picture just what the hell the contents of the Plasma Nexus are?
If I had to guess I'd say one Furnace, half a box of Reactors, one box of Regulators and two (?) Conduit boxes.
I couldn't even begin to tell you what's in the Sector Imperialis box.
lord_blackfang wrote: Assuming it's a better deal than just two Kill Zones. If it's the same cost as the army deals, it is not.
That's a big if.
This was "leaked" a while back - not sure how accurate it still is but judging from today's images released it seems pretty accurate (including the names)
For $350 it's not out of the realms of impossible. Probably somewhere in the middle is more realistic I agree. These bundle boxes usually have a 15%-20% discount applied (so one box out of the lot is free)
That article was posted months ago with no new information surfacing on it until now so until further confirmations are released - who knows!
I hope that price is wrong for the Munitorum Munitions Hub because that's an extra $70 over two Killzones, I was going to get a couple if it was $280-$300 even though I don't need that many cranes
One of the new battleforces would have to be exactly Thousand Sons for me to be interested right now (can't be tempted by GSC, can't be tempted by GSC, yes I know they look cool and have interesting rules but I can't be tempted by GSC...) though the chances of that are fairly low if they're already doing a Death Guard one.
The Manufactorum pieces makes me wonder if they'd ever do Hab slums or something along those lines. Hab blocks were always the missing segment from the old Cities of Death stuff- that had cathedrals, fancy admin and government buildings, and industrial buildings. These have now been mostly recreated in Sector kits.
The closest we have at present are the Ryza ruins.
Age of Sigmar Stormcast Eternals - Vanguard Brotherhood
Grand Alliance Death - Blade of the Blood Queen
Tzeentch Arcanite - Changecult
Kharadron Overlords - Sky-Fleet
Arachnofiend wrote: One of the new battleforces would have to be exactly Thousand Sons for me to be interested right now (can't be tempted by GSC, can't be tempted by GSC, yes I know they look cool and have interesting rules but I can't be tempted by GSC...) though the chances of that are fairly low if they're already doing a Death Guard one.
You know you want to do GSC. Did you see their rumored stratagems?
I’d say the Daughters box is good, the other AoS boxes would be kinda blah. But, my wife is after Idoneth and DoK, so...both boxes would be solid for someone just starting out with them!
Arachnofiend wrote: One of the new battleforces would have to be exactly Thousand Sons for me to be interested right now (can't be tempted by GSC, can't be tempted by GSC, yes I know they look cool and have interesting rules but I can't be tempted by GSC...) though the chances of that are fairly low if they're already doing a Death Guard one.
You know you want to do GSC. Did you see their rumored stratagems?
I love the aesthetic of the army but I'm pretty sure I would actually hate painting them. Already dreading the forty Kairic Acolytes I need to get done to finally have a proper IRL Thousand Sons army, I can't imagine trying to put together a legitimate horde list.
Arachnofiend wrote: One of the new battleforces would have to be exactly Thousand Sons for me to be interested right now (can't be tempted by GSC, can't be tempted by GSC, yes I know they look cool and have interesting rules but I can't be tempted by GSC...) though the chances of that are fairly low if they're already doing a Death Guard one.
You know you want to do GSC. Did you see their rumored stratagems?
I love the aesthetic of the army but I'm pretty sure I would actually hate painting them. Already dreading the forty Kairic Acolytes I need to get done to finally have a proper IRL Thousand Sons army, I can't imagine trying to put together a legitimate horde list.
My advice when painting horde units like this is to make your peace with each one not being a masterpiece with dozens of highlights. Apply base coats and washes and then just pick out prominent details (dry brush some if you can) can actually lead to really good looking tabletop quality units.
Glazing is the key to painting hordes. Hit them with a 3 stage zenithial undercoat then use decent brush control and simply paint the model with glazes. You basically achieve the base coat and shade all in one step.
The previous boxes were sold for $170 and contained about $250+ of product at GW retail. The discounts were 30-40% off before counting any retailer discount. The recently revealed Death Guard one also matches this formula.
That said Im not sure those posted ones last page are big enough but havent done the math on them.
I like how the box with smaller centerpiece model has also much less filler, because that's how GW is doing things, eh? Also, "Interceptors"? That sounds like the source just slapped a few units around at random without doing any math, or even checking spelling, especially seeing Imperial Fists would be more themed with Reivers instead of Hellblasters...
I got my white dwarf today and it had the huge Christmas purchase bit at the back.
Maybe they are all in it, I didn’t look, saw all the scenery and paint bundles then put it down, but there were more pages
Danny76 wrote: I got my white dwarf today and it had the huge Christmas purchase bit at the back.
Maybe they are all in it, I didn’t look, saw all the scenery and paint bundles then put it down, but there were more pages
I'd rather see the Daughters of Khaine box get at least 30witches - ergo a full force of them. That said with such a modest range in terms of model variety the guess probably isn't too far off the mark as the only model it misses is the Doomfire Warlocks (other than Morathi who is a character and thus not suitable for a box like that).
That said if they didnt put a Cauldron in they could load it up with a lot more snakes and khinerai
Irbis wrote: Imperial Fists would be more themed with Reivers instead of Hellblasters...
Why?
Well, asymmetric warfare and infiltration tactics are a huge part of siege warfare. Having said that, so is heavy firepower, so I think both units fit Imperial Fists well.
Overread wrote: I'd rather see the Daughters of Khaine box get at least 30witches - ergo a full force of them. That said with such a modest range in terms of model variety the guess probably isn't too far off the mark as the only model it misses is the Doomfire Warlocks (other than Morathi who is a character and thus not suitable for a box like that).
That said if they didnt put a Cauldron in they could load it up with a lot more snakes and khinerai
While I would love for it to be just witch aelves, khinerai and melusai (as that's all I need to finish the army), it's got to have a cauldron in there as that's the only kit you can get the characters from, barring morathi. and each box seems to need something akin to a centre piece for it and the cauldron is it essentially.
CragHack wrote: Would be amazing if they did some kind of Titanicus bundle with Rievers, Warhounds and Warlord(s). Or just bring back the ATGM edition back.
That would be nice though for me it would be hard to compete with buying individuals from 3rd party uk stores.
Overread wrote: I'd rather see the Daughters of Khaine box get at least 30witches - ergo a full force of them. That said with such a modest range in terms of model variety the guess probably isn't too far off the mark as the only model it misses is the Doomfire Warlocks (other than Morathi who is a character and thus not suitable for a box like that).
That said if they didnt put a Cauldron in they could load it up with a lot more snakes and khinerai
While I would love for it to be just witch aelves, khinerai and melusai (as that's all I need to finish the army), it's got to have a cauldron in there as that's the only kit you can get the characters from, barring morathi. and each box seems to need something akin to a centre piece for it and the cauldron is it essentially.
Yeah though adding in Doomfire Warlocks would bring the price up to it being in between the death guard and deepkin boxes that we have seen so far, when sold separately. So if there's a DoK box it could contain the cauldron, witch aelves, khinerai, melusai and doomfire warlocks.
CragHack wrote: Would be amazing if they did some kind of Titanicus bundle with Rievers, Warhounds and Warlord(s). Or just bring back the ATGM edition back.
That would be nice though for me it would be hard to compete with buying individuals from 3rd party uk stores.
These Battleforces are usually available to 3rd party retailers as well, so you would still get that nice 15-25% off the bundle.
CragHack wrote: Would be amazing if they did some kind of Titanicus bundle with Rievers, Warhounds and Warlord(s). Or just bring back the ATGM edition back.
That would be nice though for me it would be hard to compete with buying individuals from 3rd party uk stores.
These Battleforces are usually available to 3rd party retailers as well, so you would still get that nice 15-25% off the bundle.
Which is why they are good for uk folk but these invariably go for high postage(vs free with solo boxes). No postage if i buy from finland but hard to compete with double discount rate and pound exchange rate.
But this is specific issue with non-uk folks. I just have found discount boxes not work out as such a nice deal with these. (For example gme at at 10% of here still loses buying individually from uk 3rd party'
CragHack wrote: Would be amazing if they did some kind of Titanicus bundle with Rievers, Warhounds and Warlord(s). Or just bring back the ATGM edition back.
That would be nice though for me it would be hard to compete with buying individuals from 3rd party uk stores.
Wasnt that the plan to bring back the GM box according to rumours when it went out of stock when released!?
CragHack wrote: Would be amazing if they did some kind of Titanicus bundle with Rievers, Warhounds and Warlord(s). Or just bring back the ATGM edition back.
That would be nice though for me it would be hard to compete with buying individuals from 3rd party uk stores.
Wasnt that the plan to bring back the GM box according to rumours when it went out of stock when released!?
I hear contradicting stuff regarding that. Some claim gw rep says no reprint, some say yes.
For me due to above mentioned postage issues etc fairly irrelelevant though(plus already have 2 command sets anyway so discount value drops there too. That's why new discount box could be more interesting)
Well as I recall GW said that the starting box was never a limited product, just that its initial wave was a limited production run. So there is every chance it will come back and I do recall that Christmas was when they planned to bring it back. Now GW has the sales data, the production costs and the production schedul so only they know if its viable for them to remake it.
It might be they want to, but that there just isn't room for them to product excess stock of it alongside everything else; or might be it sold well but not enough for them to remake it; or that sales after it ran out have been strong enough that GW doesn't feel the need to offer the discount box again et c....
So they know what its all about and have the hard data
Chikout wrote: Got some prices for the new terrain. I may pick up the Azyrite townscape.
80 quid for the Sector Imperialis...the box art doesn't really reveal what's inside. Could just be triple Administratum, I don't see any tell-tale parts from the other kits.
CragHack wrote: Would be amazing if they did some kind of Titanicus bundle with Rievers, Warhounds and Warlord(s). Or just bring back the ATGM edition back.
That would be nice though for me it would be hard to compete with buying individuals from 3rd party uk stores.
These Battleforces are usually available to 3rd party retailers as well, so you would still get that nice 15-25% off the bundle.
Which is why they are good for uk folk but these invariably go for high postage(vs free with solo boxes). No postage if i buy from finland but hard to compete with double discount rate and pound exchange rate.
But this is specific issue with non-uk folks. I just have found discount boxes not work out as such a nice deal with these. (For example gme at at 10% of here still loses buying individually from uk 3rd party'
But wouldn’t buying these bundle boxes from UK third party be an option? As opposed to a store in EU?
If the weight is the same near enough, or do they actually charge more for the box when they wouldn’t if you put it all in basket?
In shops like Wayland, big items that are marked as 'Bulky' aren't eligible for the free shipping when spending more than X amount. Depending on the box that sometimes evens out the additional discount.
Danny76 wrote: But wouldn’t buying these bundle boxes from UK third party be an option? As opposed to a store in EU?
If the weight is the same near enough, or do they actually charge more for the box when they wouldn’t if you put it all in basket?
Many stores send stuff for free if order is more than X£. HOWEVER some products are then classed as "heavy" etc which do not fall into the category. So I can order 2xwarlord titan, 2xknights, ruleset(well actually this one often counts as heavy but let's say it didn't...), terrain etc separately and have them sent shipment free. However grand master edition box with same stuff itself is "heavy" so adds up like 20£ postage charge.
Why this way I have no idea but well...It is what it is. In practice this means I need to always double check prices which way it is better. Generally discount boxes end up very marginal saving if at all due to postage in case from UK or pound rate and 10% discount vs 15-20% if buying discount boxes from Finland.
Crazy but that's what it is. Still would be cool to have AT box with say warlord, 2 reaver, 2 warhounds for discounted box as odds of it being cheaper would be still better than no box. But it's not quaranteed to be cheapest option for non-UK with present postage prices.
Redemption wrote: In shops like Wayland, big items that are marked as 'Bulky' aren't eligible for the free shipping when spending more than X amount. Depending on the box that sometimes evens out the additional discount.
My recent experience with Wayland has been that Royal Mail only manages to ship your parcel properly on a 5+, with 6's generating a second parcel that might or might not reach you.
Not Wayland Games' fault (their service team has been very helpful), but since you can't chose the courier service for your order, I switched to stores not based in the UK so I no longer have to put up with Royal Mail anymore.
Element Games typically has 20% off on GW pre-orders and 15% off after release, and will ship these at their usual international rate starting at about 4 GBP and capping at 7 GBP no matter how much you buy. I ordered the Kill Team starter and two Kill Zones which are super heavy because of all the printed materials and it was still just 7 GBP shipping.
Redemption wrote: In shops like Wayland, big items that are marked as 'Bulky' aren't eligible for the free shipping when spending more than X amount. Depending on the box that sometimes evens out the additional discount.
My recent experience with Wayland has been that Royal Mail only manages to ship your parcel properly on a 5+, with 6's generating a second parcel that might or might not reach you.
Not Wayland Games' fault (their service team has been very helpful), but since you can't chose the courier service for your order, I switched to stores not based in the UK so I no longer have to put up with Royal Mail anymore.
Oh are they blaming Royal Mail these days? I suppose the old "we're moving warehouse/we're still adjusting after moving warehouse/we're implementing a new stock system in our new warehouse" etc refrain from a couple of years back must have worn too thin.
Can attest to that "hey, it's super chea...oh, bulky, nervermind" experience.
The Ork release has me eyeing the Kult of Speed box again, but when Wayland had it in stock until recently the postage made it as expensive as buying it from my local store with 10% off. And Adding the content together shipping free from Wayland gets me basically the same price when leaving out the SAG Mek who is webstore exclusive that skews it. That of course really makes you think about the box, like, do I need ten more boyz? More bikes after Speed Freeks and their still not that killer rules?
And now that my local store doesn't give 10% on this box anymore (yeah, wut? Hoping to get your non-moving product out when a new codex hits by making it more expensive than before?) I think I'll buy piece meal instead of BF. Which is somehow not that exciting, unwrapping that huge Ironjawz box under the tree was really satisfying.
The Idoneth box doesn't entice me, least exciting hero, basically highlights how relatively expensive everything included is, etc.. Same for Death Guard, I still need a crawler and proper drone kit to re-arm cheapo drones, but more termis and at that price? No. I really whish we'd get Conquest here, though. Let's make it cheaper for your cheapest market, though
I wonder why? Domestically, I'd take Royal Mail over any of the other courier services. They were all originally set up to offer business-to-business services and still aren't really useful for domestic deliveries - only delivering during working hours, not having easily-accessible depots for collection. Ebay is OK - they have deals with several chains of shops so I can collect from a variety of places, but if I'm expecting a delivery from DPD, it's a pain in the behind and Yodel? I might as well throw my money down a stank.
Redemption wrote: In shops like Wayland, big items that are marked as 'Bulky' aren't eligible for the free shipping when spending more than X amount. Depending on the box that sometimes evens out the additional discount.
My recent experience with Wayland has been that Royal Mail only manages to ship your parcel properly on a 5+, with 6's generating a second parcel that might or might not reach you.
Not Wayland Games' fault (their service team has been very helpful), but since you can't chose the courier service for your order, I switched to stores not based in the UK so I no longer have to put up with Royal Mail anymore.
Oh are they blaming Royal Mail these days? I suppose the old "we're moving warehouse/we're still adjusting after moving warehouse/we're implementing a new stock system in our new warehouse" etc refrain from a couple of years back must have worn too thin.
Yeah this is hilarious. I typically order new releases from Element Games who do free Royal Mail shipping on orders over £80. Whenever I order it gets dispatched on the Friday, and arrives on Saturday morning without fail.
Sounds like Wayland have a new favourite in their big bucket of excuses.
AndrewGPaul wrote: I wonder why? Domestically, I'd take Royal Mail over any of the other courier services. They were all originally set up to offer business-to-business services and still aren't really useful for domestic deliveries - only delivering during working hours, not having easily-accessible depots for collection. Ebay is OK - they have deals with several chains of shops so I can collect from a variety of places, but if I'm expecting a delivery from DPD, it's a pain in the behind and Yodel? I might as well throw my money down a stank.
Royal Mail use GLS to deliver to many European countries, GLS are absolutely abysmal, check out their rating on Trustpilot (0.4 out of 10, over 1600 reviews).
Those prices are all good and well, but as mentioned contents of the Imperial Sector is kind of hard to make out. It'll be good to get a clear idea as the box may come just at the right time for me.
Redemption wrote: In shops like Wayland, big items that are marked as 'Bulky' aren't eligible for the free shipping when spending more than X amount. Depending on the box that sometimes evens out the additional discount.
My recent experience with Wayland has been that Royal Mail only manages to ship your parcel properly on a 5+, with 6's generating a second parcel that might or might not reach you.
Not Wayland Games' fault (their service team has been very helpful), but since you can't chose the courier service for your order, I switched to stores not based in the UK so I no longer have to put up with Royal Mail anymore.
Oh are they blaming Royal Mail these days? I suppose the old "we're moving warehouse/we're still adjusting after moving warehouse/we're implementing a new stock system in our new warehouse" etc refrain from a couple of years back must have worn too thin.
Yeah this is hilarious. I typically order new releases from Element Games who do free Royal Mail shipping on orders over £80. Whenever I order it gets dispatched on the Friday, and arrives on Saturday morning without fail.
Sounds like Wayland have a new favourite in their big bucket of excuses.
Can confirm Jidmah's experience with Royal Mail. Numerous parcels over fifteen years, a single one managed to make it within the advertised 7-10 days. Many of them weren't even close. Often enough battered. One I had from Warlord Games had two big holes so you could see through the box.
I swear, they're taking these things to Dover and shoot them across the Channel with a catapult.
Royal Mail has singlehandedly managed to put me off buying from the UK, and even the currency decline after Brexit has not been so great an incentive that I gave in more than once or twice.
Oddly enough, as much as people (and I assume rightfully) complain about Wayland, I've never even once had any issues with them. Win some, lose some I guess.
Waylands main problem for most people is speed.
In the past their stock display on their website was also very iffy as to if something was or wasn't in stock, which could result in long waits for things that you might have thought were in stock, but were not,
These days they are a lot better on the stock front and their store is normally accurate on what is and isn't held directly by them. Speed can still be an issue, esp when an item is out of stock as sometimes it can take more than a week to get ordered in.
Essentially Wayland is the place you order from for the discount, but not the speed of delivery. Though my experiences are that this has improved a lot (esp with the clarity of stock held).
I'll also say that I've never had trouble contacting them to deal with customer support.
Overread wrote: Waylands main problem for most people is speed.
In the past their stock display on their website was also very iffy as to if something was or wasn't in stock, which could result in long waits for things that you might have thought were in stock, but were not,
These days they are a lot better on the stock front and their store is normally accurate on what is and isn't held directly by them. Speed can still be an issue, esp when an item is out of stock as sometimes it can take more than a week to get ordered in.
Essentially Wayland is the place you order from for the discount, but not the speed of delivery. Though my experiences are that this has improved a lot (esp with the clarity of stock held).
I'll also say that I've never had trouble contacting them to deal with customer support.
When I first ordered from Wayland Games about ten years ago, the average time till delivery was about four month, getting a parcel within two weeks is lightning fast in comparison
But seriously, I have no problems with their parcels when they are delivered via DHL or DPD, they get delivered within a week - though DPD often leaves me guessing to where they delivered the package. For example, the neighbor's lawn, thrown into a basement window, just left them lying the porch...
But for Royal Mail? Two packages gone forever, one turned up back at Wayland Games after FOUR MONTHS (they had already shipped a replacement delivery in the meantime), one was delivered after one month and looked like it was run over by a deffrolla, another one was soaked in water, even though it has not been raining in two days.
Best part? Tracking always ends at London Airport and they absolutely refuse to help you find your parcel unless you can provide them with an UK-based address. Their German partners cannot look into their systems, so they can't help you either.
If I could just select DHL for all my deliveries from Wayland Games, I wouldn't mind the time it takes to ship the order. But I can't so they won't be getting business from me until I can.
For what it's worth, in the UK I had a darksphere parcel (included some sprays so had to be courier sent) turn up with ups in under 24 hours of placing the order. Really rate those guys highly!
Overread wrote: Waylands main problem for most people is speed.
In the past their stock display on their website was also very iffy as to if something was or wasn't in stock, which could result in long waits for things that you might have thought were in stock, but were not,
These days they are a lot better on the stock front and their store is normally accurate on what is and isn't held directly by them. Speed can still be an issue, esp when an item is out of stock as sometimes it can take more than a week to get ordered in.
Essentially Wayland is the place you order from for the discount, but not the speed of delivery. Though my experiences are that this has improved a lot (esp with the clarity of stock held).
I'll also say that I've never had trouble contacting them to deal with customer support.
Don't even know why you'd order from them for the discount - Dark Sphere typically do as good or better(eg, 25% on most GW stuff) than other places and they're great.
As for people's woes with Royal Mail - hey, at least you eventually get your packages. I dread companies choosing to send me stuff via UPS, since they now make one single delivery attempt(ie, the guy brushes his hand over your buzzer and then legs it back to the van) and then dump your parcel at a "UPS Access Point"(ie, a newsagent) and demand you show government-issue photo ID to collect it.
I hate to be that guy, but this past page has been nothing but UK shipping discussion - maybe that particular subject would be better served in its own thread elsewhere?
I'm sure when they officially release we'll see a content list (now whether that will be totally accurate based on some of the previous scenery bundles who knows)
Starfarer wrote: Based on the picture in the 1st post of this thread that shows the contents.
The very-not-clear picture? Like most of these bundles, where we cannot tell just from the picture what's actually in there?
It's pretty clear what's included to me. It's a ferratonic furnace, and alchomite stack minus the dome portion, and a bunch of wall and floors pieces that are compatible with the new sector imperialis stuff.
so, the prior page has a rumored price for the Azyrite Township of 32.50 GPB.. according to currency converters, that is roughly $43 american, which .. just aint gonna happen.
What are other 32.50 priced items in the UK that I could use to map to the american GW website?
porkuslime wrote: so, the prior page has a rumored price for the Azyrite Township of 32.50 GPB.. according to currency converters, that is roughly $43 american, which .. just aint gonna happen.
What are other 32.50 priced items in the UK that I could use to map to the american GW website?
As always, currency conversion sites are useless when trying to figure out prices.
porkuslime wrote: so, the prior page has a rumored price for the Azyrite Township of 32.50 GPB.. according to currency converters, that is roughly $43 american, which .. just aint gonna happen.
It's been said repeatedly, but that's not how it works. Find something else on the UK site at the same price, see what it is in USD, that'll be the price.
porkuslime wrote: so, the prior page has a rumored price for the Azyrite Township of 32.50 GPB.. according to currency converters, that is roughly $43 american, which .. just aint gonna happen.
It's been said repeatedly, but that's not how it works. Find something else on the UK site at the same price, see what it is in USD, that'll be the price.
That’s literally what he is asking, and you cut out the part of his post that says it..
Starfarer wrote: Based on the picture in the 1st post of this thread that shows the contents.
The very-not-clear picture? Like most of these bundles, where we cannot tell just from the picture what's actually in there?
It's pretty clear what's included to me. It's a ferratonic furnace, and alchomite stack minus the dome portion, and a bunch of wall and floors pieces that are compatible with the new sector imperialis stuff.
And at least one new sprue containing damaged walkway/tile pieces along with a damaged furnace piece
porkuslime wrote: so, the prior page has a rumored price for the Azyrite Township of 32.50 GPB.. according to currency converters, that is roughly $43 american, which .. just aint gonna happen.
What are other 32.50 priced items in the UK that I could use to map to the american GW website?
As always, currency conversion sites are useless when trying to figure out prices.
32.5GBP is the $50 price bracket.
It will be $43 IF you can order it from the UK in GBP and let your credit card company/paypal do the conversion for you. And dont have to pay for shipping.
It, of course, works both ways.
Apple announced their new mac mini, price $799, UK price? £799 of course. That is despite the actual equivalent price being lower, $799 is about £618, + VAT @20% = £741.
The reason? Companies are entitled to set their own prices on goods, they do not need to apply market rates.
It will be $43 IF you can order it from the UK in GBP and let your credit card company/paypal do the conversion for you. And dont have to pay for shipping.
Of course that requires finding store that ignores GW's terms which prevent UK stores from selling outside EU area(next year by now likely changed outside UK period)
It really does have 5 sets of pipes in there. It's actually a significant saving, even if you only get half a box of reactors, but I don't know why someone would need that many pipes.
Sector Mechanicus: Derelict Factorum
Sector Mechanicus Munitorum Munitions Hub
Savings on this aren't huge. You get an extra 1 and a third boxes of containers compared to two Munitorum Killzones. *shrugs*. I 'spose if you need a lot of containers and don't want all the KT stuff.
Vale of Ghyran
If you want trees, why not get yourself an 11% saving. *shrugs again*
At least it's better than the Garden of Morr double box that costs $1 more than buying two Gardens of Morr separately...
I wish they'd give you enough floor sections in the Azyrite Townscape (and Sector Imperialis) to actually create, you know, a floor. It looks like AoS is likewise going for the "every building is a damaged corner" approach that 40k does.
(I don't mind the kits being expensive - I mind that they only give you one or two of the useful sprues, and flood the rest of the box with rubble sprues. It's like a LEGO set made entirely of L-shaped bricks).
Shame about the Munitorum one. I thought that'd be more like £80 on the back of the Kill Zone. At £125 I'll just wait and see if they do reprint the Kill Zone.
Yet again the web team have made a mess of putting up the correct sprues for the Azyrite Townscape, one of the sprues shown doesn't come with this kit and the new sprues aren't shown at all. Didn't stop me ordering 2 though
Geifer wrote: I like the look of the Age of Sigmar ruins.
And I think I've never seen those trees with leaves before (and painted like trees, too). They actually look pretty cool.
lord_blackfang wrote: The munitorum set is actually €30 more than two kill zones and you get 2 containers less (not to mention the boards and cards).
I'm guessing this means the kill zone won't be reprinted.
Yeah, what's with that?
The trees are just a normal woods sprue, they've just left the leaves off some and painted them differently.
Yeah, I know. I was just saying there seems to be this weird leafless tree fetish everyone has because I never saw leaves on those trees before. I never considered buying the kit until now.
Geifer wrote: I like the look of the Age of Sigmar ruins.
And I think I've never seen those trees with leaves before (and painted like trees, too). They actually look pretty cool.
Just be warned--I'm almost positive those leafy trees use all the leaves from their own kit, and all the leaves from the leafless trees as well. I've never seen a single set of those trees looking that leafy. So don't plan on getting a kit where all the trees can look like that.
Geifer wrote: I like the look of the Age of Sigmar ruins.
And I think I've never seen those trees with leaves before (and painted like trees, too). They actually look pretty cool.
Just be warned--I'm almost positive those leafy trees use all the leaves from their own kit, and all the leaves from the leafless trees as well. I've never seen a single set of those trees looking that leafy. So don't plan on getting a kit where all the trees can look like that.
Geifer wrote: I like the look of the Age of Sigmar ruins.
And I think I've never seen those trees with leaves before (and painted like trees, too). They actually look pretty cool.
Just be warned--I'm almost positive those leafy trees use all the leaves from their own kit, and all the leaves from the leafless trees as well. I've never seen a single set of those trees looking that leafy. So don't plan on getting a kit where all the trees can look like that.
Thanks for the advice. I'll keep that in mind.
This is definitely the case. I have several of these trees and to make them this bushy you need to use 'two trees worth of leaves' on one tree.
I like the terrain kits although I really wish GW would just make some actual BUILDINGS! All ruins and bits and bobs.
beast_gts wrote: Are you in the US or NZ? - You're using NZD for GW prices but USD for Wayland.
Thank you, that is what I was missing. It must of defaulted when I cleared my cookies and cache the other day. It is a little bit better but still better at Wayland. I think Warstore and MM only go to 20% as well which still runs $20-40+ more than UK (but if I recall that has always been the case). I don't normally buy GW stuff but some of their terrain is multi-functional and kits have been looking good.
Thermic Plasma Nexus
GW Website Preorder: $210
Wayland Games UK Preorder: $129.04
Sector Mechanicus: Derelict Factorum
GW Website Preorder: $100
Wayland Games UK Preorder: $61.94
Sector Mechanicus Munitorum Munitions Hub
GW Website Preorder: $210
Wayland Games UK Preorder: $129.04
Geifer wrote: I like the look of the Age of Sigmar ruins.
And I think I've never seen those trees with leaves before (and painted like trees, too). They actually look pretty cool.
Just be warned--I'm almost positive those leafy trees use all the leaves from their own kit, and all the leaves from the leafless trees as well. I've never seen a single set of those trees looking that leafy. So don't plan on getting a kit where all the trees can look like that.
Thanks for the advice. I'll keep that in mind.
This is definitely the case. I have several of these trees and to make them this bushy you need to use 'two trees worth of leaves' on one tree.
I like the terrain kits although I really wish GW would just make some actual BUILDINGS! All ruins and bits and bobs.
Thanks. Two for one doesn't seem so bad. I think I can work with that (if my funds aren't funneled into a different bundle instead - heh!)
porkuslime wrote: where do you see these pre-orders? I am looking at the preorder stuff on the US GW site, and all I am seeing is OOORRRKKS
EDIT - I have now found them under terrain for the various settings.. not under "pre-Order" itself..
Seems GW has an issue there. Pre-orders show fine if you click on the banner with the terrain bundles, but not if you try just the pre-order checkbox.
rtb02 wrote: Fyi Wayland are terrible at fulfilling orders and to be utterly avoided
They don't deliver those to the US anyways, I was just using them for comparison as pricing isn't up on WarStore and MM yet. Although the couple times I have ordered from Wayland, I haven't had any issues, other than it has taken longer (extra 2-3 weeks) compared to other places. The other issue I had was with how they identify stock status, which I now know better about so won't mistake something that is actually in stock vs they order is available.
Thermic Plasma Nexus
GW Website Preorder: $413
Wayland Games UK Preorder: $129.04
Sector Mechanicus: Derelict Factorum
GW Website Preorder: $198
Wayland Games UK Preorder: $61.94
Sector Mechanicus Munitorum Munitions Hub
GW Website Preorder: $413
Wayland Games UK Preorder: $129.04
Fyi Wayland are terrible at fulfilling orders and to be utterly avoided
I've only had on order fail (well actually its sort of just in limbo) and that was on a limited production item that ran of stock (and I've sort of left resolution on hold on the offchance that Warcradle find another nice Russian Ship from Dystopian Wars to cast up in resin)
Otherwise Wayland can be slow, but I've never had an order from them fail. They've also sped up a fair bit since their earlier days and their website is accurate when it comes to what they hold in stock now (earlier it was a bit fuzzy what was in and out of stock). So I'd say they've improved a lot. Though I've never ordered internationally from them (another thread somewhere was mentioning that htey often use Royal Mail for overseas orders and that Royal Mail has issues with the delivery service overseas in terms of reliability though Wayland had resolved those matters for them).
In short I trust Wayland and have no issue ordering from them, but if I want something fast they are not who I'd turn to (I'd likely use Firestorm games instead). That said the order I placed today with Wayland has been posted today too so I can't look down my nose too much at them.
gungo wrote: Is it me or is the imperials sector a worse deal then just getting the kill team box set which has a more buildings.
I just finished putting together 2 boxes of Kill Team terrain (on to basing and painting!) and from each Kill Team box you'll get 1 large sized 2 story building and 1 small, plus several low wall ruins. For example, the first box I followed instructions, the second box I made a 3 story building and a small 2 story plus 4 ruin segments.
The combo in Sector Imperialis will make 3 good sized 2 story buildings (basically it's 3x Administratum plus a sprue of full sized walls), and depending on how you use the pieces, possibly 1-2 smaller 2 story buildings and some left-over low walls.
Kill Team is definitely a better value overall, given you're getting 20 minis, a rulebook, etcetera. It's also got some sprues the Sector Imperialis doesn't (wide arch and free columns)
However, if you just want terrain, there's more in the Sector Imperialis box for the same money. From experience, the extra full wall segments will be immensely helpful if you want to make larger buildings or 3 story structures.
Also, Kill Team may be out of stock for a while. It's OOP on the GW store (Canada) and may be harder to find in the near future.
gungo wrote: Does anyone know a US retailer the gives 20% preorder discounts? And ships. This isn’t a box I want to spend $130 on st my local store.
Everything I've seen is a 15% discount (Miniature Market, The War Store, Game Nerdz, Amazon after a few weeks). Kill Team starter set was $130 and just about everywhere had it for $110.50.
gungo wrote: Does anyone know a US retailer the gives 20% preorder discounts? And ships. This isn’t a box I want to spend $130 on st my local store.
Everything I've seen is a 15% discount (Miniature Market, The War Store, Game Nerdz, Amazon after a few weeks). Kill Team starter set was $130 and just about everywhere had it for $110.50.
Same add coolstuff and FLG to that list as well. Just all this talk of wayland games made me think I’m missing something.
Guess minature market it is 15% off and 1% store rewards and free shipping. Is that best deal I see.
I see the bundles are up on triple helix. Does anybody have any experience with these guys? 25% off looks good. Site is easy to navigate. (I have been burnt by Wayland games before)
Anyone know of any "freight forwarding" services in the UK? Could be the workaround to GWs regional sales policies. Ecen with a 25% employee discount from my FLGSid imagine it would still be cheaper to order from the UK.
Hollow wrote: I see the bundles are up on triple helix. Does anybody have any experience with these guys? 25% off looks good. Site is easy to navigate. (I have been burnt by Wayland games before)
Dark Sphere do 25% off GW and I’ve had nothing but good experiences with them. I’ve not used triple helix, but from what I’ve read they don’t actually hold the stock, they order it from the supplier when you place an order, so it takes longer to arrive. With Dark Sphere there’s been one time when I didn’t receive a preorder on the release day, and that was because GW didn’t deliver all of the preorders on time.
Dark Sphere's problem is that if you cannot collect in store then they have no free shipping offer. Triple Helix onky order what people order and again charge postage. My favourite/reliable retailers are Asgard Games for preorders - they offer free shipping on £80 or over on the majority of items and the first weekend items are usually 20-25% off, Goblin Gaming - 20% off and free shipping over £80 plus loyalty points and Element Games who are 15-20% off and good for available now items as you nearly always get stuff next day if ordered before 3pm.
None of these have let me down on a variety of stuff through the years with the exception of the Titanicus GME disaster which hit most retailers.
TwilightSparkles wrote: Dark Sphere's problem is that if you cannot collect in store then they have no free shipping offer. Triple Helix onky order what people order and again charge postage. My favourite/reliable retailers are Asgard Games for preorders - they offer free shipping on £80 or over on the majority of items and the first weekend items are usually 20-25% off, Goblin Gaming - 20% off and free shipping over £80 plus loyalty points and Element Games who are 15-20% off and good for available now items as you nearly always get stuff next day if ordered before 3pm.
None of these have let me down on a variety of stuff through the years with the exception of the Titanicus GME disaster which hit most retailers.
I’ve had good experience with Element Games and the Outpost who both do 20% off and free shipping over £80, but I find 25% off more than outweighs the £3 shipping from Dark Sphere anyway.
Dammnit, i knew the DoK one was going to have a shrine in there. Would have been perfect if they dropped that and put in another unit of Melusai. Would have bought two then.
phillv85 wrote: I'm happy to see Imperial Fists, but those had better be some good upgrade sprues because the other Primaris force is a better deal.
I don't imagine it'll be different to any of the other Primaris upgrade sprues. 5 shoulder pads, 3 bigger shoulder pads, a few heads and a weapon or two plus some other random gubbinz.
Hollow wrote: I see the bundles are up on triple helix. Does anybody have any experience with these guys? 25% off looks good. Site is easy to navigate. (I have been burnt by Wayland games before)
The Lizardmen box says 34 minis, they must be counting the blot toad and the saurus character on foot if you opt to make the ripperdactyls and troglodon.
If these are $180 like battleforces have been it's a damn good deal. GW really likes to give away that carnosaur kit.
phillv85 wrote: I'm happy to see Imperial Fists, but those had better be some good upgrade sprues because the other Primaris force is a better deal.
I don't imagine it'll be different to any of the other Primaris upgrade sprues. 5 shoulder pads, 3 bigger shoulder pads, a few heads and a weapon or two plus some other random gubbinz.
They must be putting a few in there with the price disparity of the two boxes separately.
Fists box looks like:
Captain
5 hellblasters
3 aggressors
Repdemptor dread
10 either intercessors or reivers. Looks like intercessors to my eyes.
X upgrade sprues
The slaves to darkness box seems like a pretty good deal because of the chaos warshrine which alone costs £35 and has been a webstore exclusive for awhile now.
Ill probably pick a discounted box up for 75£ and sell the other minis which i already have.
I cant quite see the other contents im assuming its:
16 warriors
10 knights
1 chariot
1 lord on manticore
+ the warshrine = 29 minis
Is the mini on the far right something else besides a knight? it is very blurry
Damn! Count me in for the Ad Mech box. Good units (that incidentally I need to round out my force) and no Dominus! Extra Rangers/vanguard but who doesn’t need another Arquebus? Am I right?
drakerocket wrote: The eldar one looks terrible. It has a knight in it >.>
As always they put low selling models for a discount (they are good from an economy view ) not the most competitive ones in tournament meta.
Also i must be paranoid but some of the guardian poses strick me as odd like they shouldn't be doable with current guardians box or it's just the lust for brand new plastic Eldar blinding me.
phillv85 wrote: They must be putting a few in there with the price disparity of the two boxes separately.
Oh I'd expect them to put enough in for everyone (and maybe a few spares!).
I hope so, my Crimson Fists will be most pleased.
The Primaris upgrade sprues released thus far have 6 shoulder pads for Intercessors, Hellblasters and Reivers (5 for troops one character/ Sgt) and 3 pads for Aggressors and Inceptors. That would suggest probably three, or maybe even four, such sprues in the set.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Do we have confirmation that they are making IF Upgrade Sprues or is that just speculation?
No confirmation, but the fact it’s just a box of Primaris Marines when there’s already another one of Primaris means it’s incredibly likely. There’s also about a £25 retail price difference on the models combined between the two Primaris boxes, and upgrade sprues have been going for around £8, and this box would need 3....
casvalremdeikun wrote: Do we have confirmation that they are making IF Upgrade Sprues or is that just speculation?
I mean, until we get better pictures it's speculation...
But I'd say it is fairly good confirmation that the box is called Imperial Fists rather than just Primaris like the other one.
That is a very good point. In which case, I can't frickin' wait. I will buy ALL of the Upgrade Sprues. I have Shapeways pauldron icons for all of my Dark Imperium stuff, but I would love to put real IF/CF icons on my other stuff.
What that has me hoping for is an expansion book for Fists. Gimme a better Chapter Tactic!
casvalremdeikun wrote: Do we have confirmation that they are making IF Upgrade Sprues or is that just speculation?
I mean, until we get better pictures it's speculation...
But I'd say it is fairly good confirmation that the box is called Imperial Fists rather than just Primaris like the other one.
That is a very good point. In which case, I can't frickin' wait. I will buy ALL of the Upgrade Sprues. I have Shapeways pauldron icons for all of my Dark Imperium stuff, but I would love to put real IF/CF icons on my other stuff.
What that has me hoping for is an expansion book for Fists. Gimme a better Chapter Tactic!
Also the upgrade sprue rumour comes from the same place that said there’d be 2 Primaris boxes, one of which was Imperial Fists, and that turned out to be correct.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Do we have confirmation that they are making IF Upgrade Sprues or is that just speculation?
I mean, until we get better pictures it's speculation...
But I'd say it is fairly good confirmation that the box is called Imperial Fists rather than just Primaris like the other one.
That is a very good point. In which case, I can't frickin' wait. I will buy ALL of the Upgrade Sprues. I have Shapeways pauldron icons for all of my Dark Imperium stuff, but I would love to put real IF/CF icons on my other stuff.
What that has me hoping for is an expansion book for Fists. Gimme a better Chapter Tactic!
Also the upgrade sprue rumour comes from the same place that said there’d be 2 Primaris boxes, one of which was Imperial Fists, and that turned out to be correct.
Fair enough. I am sold. The issue is that I already have all the Crimson Fists I need. This box is too little too late for me. I still hope it translates to more rules material for Imperial/Crimson Fists.
godswildcard wrote: The thing I don't get is why do we have two primaris boxes? Is there any kind of precedent for that?
well since Marines can make anything up to something like 50% of GW totals sales it kinda makes sense for there to be a heavier focus on them in the Christmas Sales.
drakerocket wrote: The eldar one looks terrible. It has a knight in it >.>
As always they put low selling models for a discount (they are good from an economy view ) not the most competitive ones in tournament meta.
Also i must be paranoid but some of the guardian poses strick me as odd like they shouldn't be doable with current guardians box or it's just the lust for brand new plastic Eldar blinding me.
Yes and no - the Daughters of Khaine has all good stuff (then again they don't really have bad choices). I think its more that GW doesn't even look at the meta what so ever when they make these. They more likely look at what sells, what doesn't sell and also what looks "cool". Considering that experienced players are likely not the prime target for these bundles; a market yes, but their clear focus is people who are new to an army/game or those who have got a bit but not a huge amount yet.
The vanilla primaris Deal is much better than the fists one if your looking into doing other chapters rather than Fists. I just would prefer having the redemptor instead of the repulsor.
beast_gts wrote: Are you in the US or NZ? - You're using NZD for GW prices but USD for Wayland.
Thank you, that is what I was missing. It must of defaulted when I cleared my cookies and cache the other day. It is a little bit better but still better at Wayland. I think Warstore and MM only go to 20% as well which still runs $20-40+ more than UK (but if I recall that has always been the case). I don't normally buy GW stuff but some of their terrain is multi-functional and kits have been looking good.
Thermic Plasma Nexus
GW Website Preorder: $210
Wayland Games UK Preorder: $129.04
Sector Mechanicus: Derelict Factorum
GW Website Preorder: $100
Wayland Games UK Preorder: $61.94
Sector Mechanicus Munitorum Munitions Hub
GW Website Preorder: $210
Wayland Games UK Preorder: $129.04
Miniature market like all US based online sales are only allowed to do 15% off GW's USA prices. UK prices are approximately 30% savings (depending on how crappy or good the pound is doing) over USA and they get 20% off on top of that at most of their online providers.
So yes if you can have someone in the UK buy them and ship them shipping on larger items like this will be heavy expect to pay $20-35 but you will still save probably around 30% or better.
As far as better savings, no USA online sales that preview the items and put it in a cart and check out are over 15% by GW gestapo laws. You can get 15% on ebay stores and if they are buy it now they usually will do a coupon for an extra 10-15% off which is what I have been doing. Still not as good as getting them at UK deals, but the savings stack. Just pray for a ebay coupon, if it wasn't for them I probably wouldn't have ordered much of anything from GW this year.
UK have some agreement not to ship stuff to US, and most UK online venders won't ship bulky stuff (so all these sets and any boxed set is out aside from start collecting). The wait time is beyond horrible and the savings are rarely worth the frustration. Unless i get substantial savings, just wait for a coupon and do the ebay thing.
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but the new Sector Imperialis: Imperial Sector kit contains a new wall section the earlier kits don't have.
The Sector Imperialis "exclusive" section contains a wall section which is 3 bays (or units) wide, with a circular fan vent in the middle. The bays on either side may look like all the other arched window sections, but on either side the narrow, arched niches hold stacks of skulls, rather than slat vents.Also the right bay has an unique air-condition(?) unit, not seen on any of the other kits.
On photos showing the interior of the ruin, you can also see that the columns are hollow.
godswildcard wrote: The thing I don't get is why do we have two primaris boxes? Is there any kind of precedent for that?
I wouldn't know where to start looking for information on past Christmas bundles, but it's no different than releasing a generic Marine bundle alongside a Space Wolves one, for instance. Except that this time both use the same book for their rules.
I wouldn't read too much into it, to be honest. "Moar Marines" isn't uncharacteristic for GW, after all.
Something to consider if you don't try to make it more sinister than it actually is, GW might want to offer the Imperial Fists box to introduce Imperial Fists upgrade sprues (if that rumor is true), something completely new and thus a selling point unto itself, and a better value generic Marine box for people who might buy but don't want a chapter specific sprue eating up some of the discount and making it a worse deal. It might actually be a customer friendly decision by GW.
drakerocket wrote: The eldar one looks terrible. It has a knight in it >.>
As always they put low selling models for a discount (they are good from an economy view ) not the most competitive ones in tournament meta.
Also i must be paranoid but some of the guardian poses strick me as odd like they shouldn't be doable with current guardians box or it's just the lust for brand new plastic Eldar blinding me.
Yes and no - the Daughters of Khaine has all good stuff (then again they don't really have bad choices). I think its more that GW doesn't even look at the meta what so ever when they make these. They more likely look at what sells, what doesn't sell and also what looks "cool". Considering that experienced players are likely not the prime target for these bundles; a market yes, but their clear focus is people who are new to an army/game or those who have got a bit but not a huge amount yet.
Yeah, I think it's safe to say that GW wants an impressive centerpiece in these boxes regardless of their in-game value.
As such I think Eldar get a good deal compared to Necrons and Marines. If Eldar got an equivalent model, the box would probably include a Fire Prism. Instead they get a super heavy Knight.
bullyboy wrote: There is the possibility that the Eldar wraithknight might get some help in CA to make it playable, but I'm not holding my breath.
That's weird. I was playing with one just the other day and I've seen several other people playing with them over the last few weeks.
It is pretty damn bad compared to Imperial Knights. Probably still usable in casual games, but it could really use a buff, or failing that, a point cut.
The Eldar box is just more twisting of the knife. Every combo box or battleforce showcases the lack of Eldar plastic kits, and just serves to highlight all the kits we're missing in plastic. I don't mind too much since my army is more or less complete, but it's just...sad.
Looking at the Japenese site, these things are double the cost of a Start Collecting box. But even at that, they are excellent value. I will be really tempted to get the Lizardmen one - I do not need a second carnasaur but the rest of it has no overlap and the kit is dual build anyway.
bullyboy wrote: There is the possibility that the Eldar wraithknight might get some help in CA to make it playable, but I'm not holding my breath.
That's weird. I was playing with one just the other day and I've seen several other people playing with them over the last few weeks.
Some Eldar players aren't going to be happy until it's broken level.
You do know don't you there's plenty of levels between brokeness and current worthless crap? But of course non eldars aren't happy until eldars are nerfed to death for past crimes claiming it's fair
godswildcard wrote: The thing I don't get is why do we have two primaris boxes? Is there any kind of precedent for that?
well since Marines can make anything up to something like 50% of GW totals sales it kinda makes sense for there to be a heavier focus on them in the Christmas Sales.
Ok...you must’ve missed my point. Has there ever been a double release for any one faction at any point in the past, Marines included?
That 50% figure, which has been thrown around forever, may be true, but If it is it’s not necessarily more true this year than in years previous. So, with that in mind, why two Primaris boxes which would compete with each other and thus cannibalize sales from each other when you could release a completely different faction box and move product from another faction.
Especially when pretty much all of the models in the Imperial Fists box can be had as easy to build. It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Wish that admech one had a dragoon or two instead of an Onager. With the rule of the 3 I'm about maxed out on Onagers and can't use any more. It really sucks too because they used to come in squadrons but some numbskull forgot to give us that option in 8th edition. As it sits I probably still save money with the bundle but it makes it a little less appealing.
At least it's a decent selection of units. Ruststalkers aren't super good but the rest of the models are something every admech player can use in their average list.
If other rumours around Primaris and lacklustre sales are true, then it could be that. This brings almost the entire Primaris range out in two discount boxes.
ElvisJuice wrote: That USD price breakdown omits the imperial fists upgrade sprues that are rumoured(confirmed?) to be in there
I couldn't tell from the picture if it was there or not, so I didn't include the costs for it. This would be the first battleforce, to my knowledge, to include a product that wasn't previously released. It would also need 3 upgrade sprues to cover all the models in there, resulting in a $37.5 - $45 increase to the cost, bringing it up to $282.5 - $290.
gilljoy wrote: Anyone worked out what's in the admech battleforce?
And do we have any idea of uk prices?
AdMech Battleforce is:
A set of 2 Kastelan Robots(which means Datasmith as well since it's in the box)
A set of 10 Skitarii(builds Rangers or Vanguard--10 models)
A set of 5 Sicarian(builds Infiltrators or Ruststalkers)
A Techpriest Enginseer model
An Onager Dunecrawler
casvalremdeikun wrote: Do we have confirmation that they are making IF Upgrade Sprues or is that just speculation?
No confirmation, but the fact it’s just a box of Primaris Marines when there’s already another one of Primaris means it’s incredibly likely. There’s also about a £25 retail price difference on the models combined between the two Primaris boxes, and upgrade sprues have been going for around £8, and this box would need 3....
They were either free or almost free (like 2.5£ tops) in literally every single SM box deal in last 3-4 years. I am shocked how garbage deal IF list is, least number of models despite having one of the least impressive centrepieces (that, to make it even worse, it's also available for cheap as ETB or from people partitioning T&C). This is why I disbelieved the leaked list, and I still sincerely hope this is some kind of mistake (the photo and number on the box can't lie, though)
The BA and DA have Primaris boxes with there upgrade sprue included. But the Ultras and SW(outside of Tooth and Claw) don't. So if the sprue is real that would probably mean the IF are in the same position.
GoatboyBeta wrote: The BA and DA have Primaris boxes with there upgrade sprue included. But the Ultras and SW(outside of Tooth and Claw) don't. So if the sprue is real that would probably mean the IF are in the same position.
Not only these, when DW first dropped their sprues were almost free (including insane deal of 3 whole sprues with 5 terminators). Granted, most recent DW release had sprues for full price in middle finger gesture but I expected new IF to follow first, not second example.
Also, last Holiday, the troop kit + vehicle sets had free upgrade sprue for all kinds of SM, SW included, and even for GSC, sooo...
Well, this is one of the few times that the holiday bundles just haven't done it for me. I'm only interested in the Derelict Factorum and then only for the ruined wall sprue.
Yeah, I guess I'm grateful that these don't speak to me as well as last year's did. I'll probably still end up getting 2 or so, but that's better than the 6 I was fearing...
I was kinda hoping that there wouldn't be a box I wanted this year, been spending too much as it is. But the Craftworlds set...
I know some people view it as 'meh' because it's not the most competitive stuff, but I'm more of a collector/hobbyist who doesn't care about how good things are in game. I don't have a Wraithknight or any Vypers yet, would happily take more Guardians, DAs and Windriders, and have been mentally plotting ways to kitbash and convert plastic seers. So everything in there is something I want. Curses.
Breotan wrote: Well, this is one of the few times that the holiday bundles just haven't done it for me. I'm only interested in the Derelict Factorum and then only for the ruined wall sprue.
My wallet is grateful, though.
I might have considered the Daughters box if the medusas and harpies were flipped. (ie, 10 snakes and 5 winged), and if I hadn't picked up the Change Cult back in march, and wasn't working on a daemon army at the moment. I'll have to ponder some of the terrain, but really, all of it has to compete with Blackstone and Wrath and Ruin this season, soo... probably not.
I'm just surprised AdMech are back in rotation again after getting a box in 2016.
Tyranids, Dark Eldar and Chaos have been missing from the last three years, apart from this 'yet more Nurgle' push. (though this box makes some sense from a marketing perspective)
The Changecult was a good box. These ones... not so much.
Really GW has missed an opportunity to synergise their brands with ongoing narrative events. They could have made the 40K boxes in line with the stuff going on with Vigilus.
Make the Eldar box a Saim-Hann-themed box with lots of Jetbikes and vehicles rather than just another box with Guardians and Dire Avengers. An Ork box with the two buggies you cannot buy yet. That sort of thing.
Zingraff wrote: I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but the new Sector Imperialis: Imperial Sector kit contains a new wall section the earlier kits don't have.
The Sector Imperialis "exclusive" section contains a wall section which is 3 bays (or units) wide, with a circular fan vent in the middle. The bays on either side may look like all the other arched window sections, but on either side the narrow, arched niches hold stacks of skulls, rather than slat vents.Also the right bay has an unique air-condition(?) unit, not seen on any of the other kits.
On photos showing the interior of the ruin, you can also see that the columns are hollow.
The pictures on the web store don't show any 3-section wall, though. It does mention this:
- 4 frames of wall sections, each containing 3 windowed wall sections – 1 double width and 2 half-width – with pillars and capstones for each wall;
That suggests a double wide window unit (you can see the molding on the inside of the column, and it definitely doesn't match the images of the sprues shown. Strange.
H.B.M.C. wrote: An Ork box with the two buggies you cannot buy yet. That sort of thing.
They already did a vigilatus themed ork box with those buggies. Speed freaks was just released with the codex and slightly before the christmas bundles.
H.B.M.C. wrote: The Changecult was a good box. These ones... not so much.
Really GW has missed an opportunity to synergise their brands with ongoing narrative events. They could have made the 40K boxes in line with the stuff going on with Vigilus.
Make the Eldar box a Saim-Hann-themed box with lots of Jetbikes and vehicles rather than just another box with Guardians and Dire Avengers. An Ork box with the two buggies you cannot buy yet. That sort of thing.
The ork one would be speed freeks. Would be odd to do box that is basically same thing with same buggies.
MajorWesJanson wrote: They already did a vigilatus themed ork box with those buggies. Speed freaks was just released with the codex and slightly before the christmas bundles.
Voss wrote: Yeah, I'm not sold on the idea that 6 bikes with the two missing buggies is the same kind of thing as these bundle boxes.
Did I say it'd have the same miniature content as the Speed Freeks box? Obviously it'd have more. It would just include the two buggies from the box.
Hell, it could have all 6 in there, with a bunch of outrider bikes.
tneva82 wrote: But would be weird for gw to realease 2 big boxes with same 2 buggies in both. Orks aren's marlnes
I don't understand why this concept is so difficult to grasp: Speed Freeks is a game, not a Battleforce. GW doing an new Ork Battleforce box with the Shockjump Dragster and the Obnoxious Compoundword wouldn't be them releasing a "second box" because there is no first box.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I don't understand why this concept is so difficult to grasp: Speed Freeks is a game, not a Battleforce. GW doing an new Ork Battleforce box with the Shockjump Dragster and the Obnoxious Compoundword wouldn't be them releasing a "second box" because there is no first box.
Am I not explaining this clearly enough?
I don't understand why this super simple concept is so hard to grasp. GW would be super unlikely to put in TWO boxes for orks whose selling point would be SAME 2 buggies. Apart from buggies likely being on sale by that time so no "not on sale" then and if not they would not want the two to cannibalize their sales. It would result in two very similar boxes. Orks aren't space marines. They don't get two similar boxes with competing units to boot with.
I hope I can get my hands on the Seraphon bundle. It has a lot of the range I enjoy visually. After that sort of torn. Akhellian models are all fantastic, I enjoy converting Primaris and both the Necron and Eldar ones have a fun collection of units.
Zingraff wrote: I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but the new Sector Imperialis: Imperial Sector kit contains a new wall section the earlier kits don't have.
The Sector Imperialis "exclusive" section contains a wall section which is 3 bays (or units) wide, with a circular fan vent in the middle. The bays on either side may look like all the other arched window sections, but on either side the narrow, arched niches hold stacks of skulls, rather than slat vents.Also the right bay has an unique air-condition(?) unit, not seen on any of the other kits.
On photos showing the interior of the ruin, you can also see that the columns are hollow.
The pictures on the web store don't show any 3-section wall, though. It does mention this:
- 4 frames of wall sections, each containing 3 windowed wall sections – 1 double width and 2 half-width – with pillars and capstones for each wall;
That suggests a double wide window unit (you can see the molding on the inside of the column, and it definitely doesn't match the images of the sprues shown. Strange.
I've highlighted the 3 bay section in the photos attached below. This section is unique to this kit, and hasn't been released previously with any of the other ruin kits.
Yep thats new, looks like a new sprue with a complete wall of 3 panels? On the inside the pillars are hollow backed like on some of the Imperialis ruin pieces.
Not sure if this is good or bad. Good as the set includes more for the money (and easier to assemble). Bad as it limits what can be done with the set.
stato wrote: Yep thats new, looks like a new sprue with a complete wall of 3 panels? On the inside the pillars are hollow backed like on some of the Imperialis ruin pieces.
Not sure if this is good or bad. Good as the set includes more for the money (and easier to assemble). Bad as it limits what can be done with the set.
The three bay section clearly has some trade-offs, unless you were going to use three window-sections anyway, in which case it doesn't matter. I would have bought this if it was around when I planned and built my ruins a couple of months ago, and I appreciate that it has unique details.
Voss wrote: Yeah, I'm not sold on the idea that 6 bikes with the two missing buggies is the same kind of thing as these bundle boxes.
Did I say it'd have the same miniature content as the Speed Freeks box? Obviously it'd have more. It would just include the two buggies from the box.
Hell, it could have all 6 in there, with a bunch of outrider bikes.
That would have royally pissed off everyone who bought the SF box with 'exclusive' minis, and they would be right, for once. I could see such a box for next Holiday, not this one.
Although I do like the idea of putting the limited edition power fist captain into Imperial Fists box. Would make it a bit less terrible.
Liking the Eldar and Sersphon boxes, the Primaris ones are a bit too overlapping with Dark Impeirum etc so less useful to existing armies.
Anyone identify the model on the left of the seraphon box with some sort of shield on it ? It’s higher than the skinks. Spineybits missed it off their list.
The Seraphon box is still the best value if you value the carnosaur at half the start collecting price.
Points wise they all come in around 1k ish for AoS.
TwilightSparkles wrote: Anyone identify the model on the left of the seraphon box with some sort of shield on it ? It’s higher than the skinks. Spineybits missed it off their list.
Its just the character on foot you can build from the Carno kit.
Decided I will definitely go for a Seraphon box. I was not paying attention last year, how do these bundles work? Are they limited in number or web only, or would I expect to be able to pick them up in my local GW? Should I put my name down there for one or do they just go "live" at some point?
They are being released on 1st December (or that might be pre-order date), can just grab them direct from GW webstore, local GW store or from any other seller that sells GW products (with the usual discount).
Da Boss wrote: Decided I will definitely go for a Seraphon box. I was not paying attention last year, how do these bundles work? Are they limited in number or web only, or would I expect to be able to pick them up in my local GW? Should I put my name down there for one or do they just go "live" at some point?
They're limited in number but the stock levels can last either a month or a year. There's still some leftovers from last year at my local GW.
I expect the Seraphon, Idoneth, Daughters of Khaine, Death Guard, and Necron ones to be 'big hits' and sell through quickly. I'd advise making sure you're around on November 24th/December 1st to get the Seraphon one if you want one.
Really GW has missed an opportunity to synergise their brands with ongoing narrative events. They could have made the 40K boxes in line with the stuff going on with Vigilus.
Other plans for Vigilus I believe.
.... best comparison would be with Malign Portents from last year, apparently.
So, i posted this on a youtube vid going on about the sets, so i'm going to copy it here as it shares my thoughts on why we have these 40k boxes over other things and why they make sense. (Sorry if i'm repeating what others have said, not read through it all yet!)
Primaris are the main poster boys of the new setting. No matter what we were always going to get a box set of them. Necrons, Admech and Craftworld are all nice deals, each of which is building off a "starter" style box set released this year - same goes for the standard Primaris. So in a way, these additions make a lot of sense for the newer players who have got into the game off the back of these sets. We also know from the WC article that we are getting a Death Guard box, so that covers those as well.. Orks were NEVER going to get a xmas box. It is way to close to the codex release and they are pushing the new models hard. GW get a lot of backlash already from players, imagine the outcry from everyone jumping into Orks for the codex in November, only to release that if they'd waited 4-6 weeks they could have saved themselves several hundred £s. Likewise, GSC aren't going to get a box set as they got one last year (iirc) and their codex hasn't been released yet. I imagine they could possibly be getting their own box around their codex release as a mini-game, as that seems to be the current trend. I don't think Chaos would have got a box this year, simply because of Blackstone Fortress. We can see that they are getting new standard marine kits, however, we don't know when and which kits will be upgraded. Why sell a box full of old Chaos Marine models when the vast majority of Chaos players would just hold and wait for the new upgraded kits to be released? Likewise with all the traitor Guard stuff. Likewise with Chaos Daemons. We are getting new Khorne and Slaanesh models in their AoS Realm of Chaos? box set sometime soon. I think T'au got a box last year as well, so that might be another reason why they didn't get one this year. Only other factions left are Nids, Drukhari and Harlequinns (and the chapter specific Marines). Quinns could have made an interesting box, but it wouldn't have contained much, and what would honestly go into a Drukhari box set and be reasonable? The way their codex is split would leave 66% of the Drukhari players disappointed. Also it'd have meant 2 Aeldari box sets, so we'd be in the same situation as "2 Primaris box sets". Nids however, i guess were just the one that didn't make the cut between Eldar, Admech and Necrons.
The big standout for these box sets is the Imperial Fists one. This is potentially huge for Marines of all Chapters going forward, but it is also a potential spoiler. Players have been crying out for so long for upgrade kits for all the Chapters. This might be the start of the request becoming a reality. Who knows, after the Founding Chapters have kits, maybe Guard Regiment upgrade kits could be next. But, spoiler wise, my first thoughts was "wow, is this an indication that the next Primarch is going to be Dorn, and it'll be relatively early on in 2019?" If Dorn is the next Primarch, these upgrade kits will sell incredibly well and quickly. It'd be the same if the next Primarch was Corax and the upgrade kit was Raven Guard etc. The Imperial Fists set is nothing but a potential good sign for the future of army customisation.
.... best comparison would be with Malign Portents from last year, apparently.
Which is great and all - I like the idea of using the 40K setting to tell interesting stories, rather than universe-altering narratives that shift everything around - but they could'a done more with these boxes than what they have.
I've highlighted the 3 bay section in the photos attached below. This section is unique to this kit, and hasn't been released previously with any of the other ruin kits.
I know you're correct, but the GW webstore isn't imaging the new sprue, and the list of contents cannot be accurate, as it's not listing the normal walls which are obviously included.
decker_cky wrote: There must be a 10th bundle on the next page, right? There's only 9 on the leaked page, and the Warhammer Community article said there would be 10.
Why? It's full of stuff that I want with the fairly standard level of discount. I'm trying to figure out how many I'm going to buy. You can't please everybody. I mean, I know that there's some non competitive stuff in there (can somebody say Wraithknight?) but there's plenty of us who will happily buy cool models regardless of how competitive they are. As more of a collector than a gamer, I don't have any Wraithknights or Vypers yet, would happily take more Guardians, Avengers and Windriders, and I'm also happy to gather those plastic seers and see just what sort of conversions and kitbashes I can achieve since I already have one of that Farseer built as per the instructions and have a somewhat warped desire to have an insane number of Farseers.
But hey, if others don't like it that just means more copies for me.
Why? It's full of stuff that I want with the fairly standard level of discount. I'm trying to figure out how many I'm going to buy. You can't please everybody. I mean, I know that there's some non competitive stuff in there (can somebody say Wraithknight?) but there's plenty of us who will happily buy cool models regardless of how competitive they are. As more of a collector than a gamer, I don't have any Wraithknights or Vypers yet, would happily take more Guardians, Avengers and Windriders, and I'm also happy to gather those plastic seers and see just what sort of conversions and kitbashes I can achieve since I already have one of that Farseer built as per the instructions and have a somewhat warped desire to have an insane number of Farseers.
But hey, if others don't like it that just means more copies for me.
It's pathetic because it's always the similar kinda deal for the Eldars and even more annoying since bikes got removed from troop choice.
It has nothing to do with competitive it's just that Eldar Battleforces always come with 1-2 guardian squads or dire avengers with a secondary squad (bikes or Wraithguard) plus a heavy hitting unit (Wraithknight ,Wraithlords or Tanks) plus a character.
As you can notice the trend it's pretty much always the same units with sligthy variations unles we move to the heavy hitting units (or centerpiece model if you wish)
P.S: this showcase one of the Eldar issues with its aging line and lack of plastic choices.
It's pathetic because it's always the similar kinda deal for the Eldars and even more annoying since bikes got removed from troop choice.
It has nothing to do with competitive it's just that Eldar Battleforces always come with 1-2 guardian squads or dire avengers with a secondary squad (bikes or Wraithguard) plus a heavy hitting unit (Wraithknight ,Wraithlords or Tanks) plus a character.
As you can notice the trend it's pretty much always the same units with sligthy variations unles we move to the heavy hitting units (or centerpiece model if you wish)
P.S: this showcase one of the Eldar issues with its aging line and lack of plastic choices.
I can understand where you're coming from, but the fact remains that I want everything that's in there and frankly I don't think that they're any more fixed or predictable than the sets that a lot of the other factions get. It doesn't matter what faction, you'll always get, as you put it, basic troops, secondary squad, heavy hitter and character. By that logic you could label most of these sets as pathetic.
Yes, I'd love the finecast stuff to get upgraded to plastic. But until that happens I'll happily take any discount box containing the plastic units that the Eldar do have.
No further news beyond what the weekend showed - we've no release date so we can't quite tell if its coming this year or early next. My gut feeling is that we will see it this year, it fits with GW teasing it earlier in the year and the reveal we've had this last weekend. It wouldn't make sense for GW to hint all that without following it up.
Bundle Battleforces - Blackstone - Wrath and Rapture - that's 3 weeks worth of big release events. Possibly one, maybe two more before GW eases off for focusing on Christmas production and the holiday period.
Bellerophon wrote: Why? It's full of stuff that I want with the fairly standard level of discount. I'm trying to figure out how many I'm going to buy. You can't please everybody. I mean, I know that there's some non competitive stuff in there (can somebody say Wraithknight?) but there's plenty of us who will happily buy cool models regardless of how competitive they are. As more of a collector than a gamer, I don't have any Wraithknights or Vypers yet, would happily take more Guardians, Avengers and Windriders, and I'm also happy to gather those plastic seers and see just what sort of conversions and kitbashes I can achieve since I already have one of that Farseer built as per the instructions and have a somewhat warped desire to have an insane number of Farseers.
Making a hell of a lot of assumptions/projections in that post. Who mentioned anything about competitive gaming? Or being a collector vs a competitive gamer?
It's pathetic because it highlights the major flaw in the entire Eldar line - that so many of their units are ancient and aren't plastic. Another Eldar box just means more Guardians and Dire Avengers.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Making a hell of a lot of assumptions/projections in that post. Who mentioned anything about competitive gaming? Or being a collector vs a competitive gamer?
It's pathetic because it highlights the major flaw in the entire Eldar line - that so many of their units are ancient and aren't plastic. Another Eldar box just means more Guardians and Dire Avengers.
Well you didn't give me much to work with, just a blanket statement that it was pathetic. I made an educated guess based on what I often see on this forum, and it turned out wrong, so apologies for that. My reasons for liking it still stand.
Like I said in my last post I'll be the first person jumping for joy if some of the finecast models get redone in plastic so long as they fit the established Craftworlds aesthetic. But they haven't been. What are GW supposed to do, stop selling the plastic kits that they do have because some people are fed up of seeing them? It's not like boxes for other factions are much more diverse. The Admech one has Skitarii in it, just like all the Admech sets. The Primaris has Intercessors, just like seemingly most of the 40k boxed games we've had in the last 18 months. If they'd done an Ork set it would have boyz. A Tyranid set would have Gaunts/Genestealers. Oldmarines would have tacticals. Half the factions are small enough that there's virtually no choice at all for what to put in a box this size. I just don't really see what makes Guardians/Dire Avengers different aside from being older kits. Older kits which while I can see the compromises they made for their technology at the time, I still think look good.
That Eldar battleforce is a bit disappointing and consequently I will not be picking it up. I have 28 Guardians which I doubt I'll ever use in a single game and I already have 35 Dire Avengers. I don't need any more I reckon.
I know someone said GW bundle poorly selling units together and the range is limited but damn it's a messy box. You do make a saving yes, but they don't seem to have a target audience in mind for this force.
Most people who have played Eldar for any amount of time have the troops and that bloody farseer (I have two of those), most likely have the bikes as they were the new hotness a few years ago and if anyone played competitively in 6th/7th edition, they had at least one Wraithknight (2+ usually) and won't want any more.
They could have made this box so much better with the addition of a grav tank of some description or even a war walker, something that would give an incentive to pick up a start collecting or the wake the dead box.
What will it take for GW to finally do something about the Eldar range and make them worth buying again?
And it can't be "They don't sell, so there's no reason to!", 'cause Dark Eldar weren't selling much and they redid their entire range, not leaving a single mini behind except for, I think, Drahzar (or however you spell that).
H.B.M.C. wrote: What will it take for GW to finally do something about the Eldar range and make them worth buying again?
And it can't be "They don't sell, so there's no reason to!", 'cause Dark Eldar weren't selling much and they redid their entire range, not leaving a single mini behind except for, I think, Drahzar (or however you spell that).
Hard to say because the models are excellent. I remember buying the boxed army set that came with a codex back in 4th ? maybe 5th edition. The aspect warriors look top notch I dont see them redoing them but they went from metal to finecrap and now there is no real solution unless they just completely redo them. The original army box came with 1 Eldar Autarch 10 Eldar Dire Avengers 6 Eldar Howling Banshees 6 Eldar Fire Dragons 8 Eldar Guardians 1 Eldar Wraithlord 1 Eldar Heavy Weapons Platform 1 Eldar Vyper Jetbike 1 Eldar Falcon Grav-Tank and the codex.
That was the box that got me into eldar, then I purchased some striking scorpions a few wave serpants and they had a box set of war walkers (3 in the set). It was a pretty good way to get started in Eldar back in the day.
So are all of these actually limited bundles? Tge derelict manufactorum and the two story AoS building are more or less new kits, and the Imperial Sector includes new sprues, seems unreasonable to think that they are a limited time only exclusive.
The rest of the boxes are obviously the typical limited time only products from the looks of it, but those first three kits seem like they might not be.
chaos0xomega wrote: So are all of these actually limited bundles? Tge derelict manufactorum and the two story AoS building are more or less new kits, and the Imperial Sector includes new sprues, seems unreasonable to think that they are a limited time only exclusive.
The rest of the boxes are obviously the typical limited time only products from the looks of it, but those first three kits seem like they might not be.
The derelict manufactorum and Azyrite townscape look to probably be more of a regular items. The big terrain boxes including the sector imperialus and battleforces will definately be limited release.
As a Khorne Bloodbound player, is the Slaves to Darkness box worth it? The Knights are fairly redundant, as are the Warriors when I already have Skullcrushers and Blood Warriors, but the Chariot, Shrine, Chimera Lord and whatever blurry image mess are in it seem to serve a unique role. Am I better off just buying the stuff individually instead of paying for the knights and warriors?
vaklor4 wrote: As a Khorne Bloodbound player, is the Slaves to Darkness box worth it? The Knights are fairly redundant, as are the Warriors when I already have Skullcrushers and Blood Warriors, but the Chariot, Shrine, Chimera Lord and whatever blurry image mess are in it seem to serve a unique role. Am I better off just buying the stuff individually instead of paying for the knights and warriors?
I definately feel your pain, i guess it depends on what kind of discount you can get those items for. Black friday is around the corner and one vendor I go thru typically does 30% off. But since the bundles are conviently preorder Dec 1, same as the christmas bundles last year. They are not included in black friday deals.
So in USD prices if the battleforce is $170 not sure if that is right price or no? then you can get it for 15% off thru vendors or $144.50. Or if you got a black friday place 30% off the units you need.
or if you go with everything but warriors and knights and can get 30% off boxes it would be $106 ish USD. so basically paying an extra $38 for knights and warriors you don't need. ********Keep in mind this uses a lot of guestimates as I don't know the USD price on the battleforces and takes in consideration USD prices and past black friday specials.*********
H.B.M.C. wrote: What will it take for GW to finally do something about the Eldar range and make them worth buying again?
And it can't be "They don't sell, so there's no reason to!", 'cause Dark Eldar weren't selling much and they redid their entire range, not leaving a single mini behind except for, I think, Drahzar (or however you spell that).
Eldar Aspect Warriors are probably the next meme now that Squats and Sisters have both been satisfied so they'll get their due eventually with enough public pressure. It's bizarre that public pressure is necessary at all though; as much as I personally hate all things knife-eared elves are pretty much always one of the most popular factions in a franchise, right after whatever the mainline human faction is. There's no way a lack of market interest is why GW isn't pushing Eldar models.
Tyranid Horde wrote: That Eldar battleforce is a bit disappointing and consequently I will not be picking it up. I have 28 Guardians which I doubt I'll ever use in a single game and I already have 35 Dire Avengers. I don't need any more I reckon.
I know someone said GW bundle poorly selling units together and the range is limited but damn it's a messy box. You do make a saving yes, but they don't seem to have a target audience in mind for this force.
The target audience for these battleforces is the same as it is every year, parents who want to give their kid a big box to unwrap at Christmas.
I'm only really interested in the supremacy force, it kinda has every primaris unit i need more of and if I can give my buddy the alleged upgrade sprue more the better.
If the Admech one had something new/cool I would be interested but I guess no.
@Tyranid Horde - My impression with these sets has always been that they are for folks looking to start the army from scratch or who have very few models for it.
H.B.M.C. wrote: What will it take for GW to finally do something about the Eldar range and make them worth buying again?
And it can't be "They don't sell, so there's no reason to!", 'cause Dark Eldar weren't selling much and they redid their entire range, not leaving a single mini behind except for, I think, Drahzar (or however you spell that).
Eldar Aspect Warriors are probably the next meme now that Squats and Sisters have both been satisfied.
Wait. Whatnow? All these years and all GW had to do was let Forgeworld do a single one-off Necromunda model and suddenly the Squats clock is stopped forever?
Whether you (or anyone) personally like elves or not, they're a core warhammer range and aspects have been the core of the army for honestly decades. And they're functionally MIA, and have been for years. There isn't any 'meme' involved. Like many parts of the chaos range, they've been overly neglected for a long, long time. The end of that for daemons is finally in sight, but CSM and eldar still have a long way to go.
Souleater wrote: @Tyranid Horde - My impression with these sets has always been that they are for folks looking to start the army from scratch or who have very few models for it.
Same, though in some cases they're good for army expansion as well.
A $170 box of grey plastic bits would impress no children I've ever encountered.
Kdash wrote: So, i posted this on a youtube vid going on about the sets, so i'm going to copy it here as it shares my thoughts on why we have these 40k boxes over other things and why they make sense. (Sorry if i'm repeating what others have said, not read through it all yet!)
Primaris are the main poster boys of the new setting. No matter what we were always going to get a box set of them. Necrons, Admech and Craftworld are all nice deals, each of which is building off a "starter" style box set released this year - same goes for the standard Primaris. So in a way, these additions make a lot of sense for the newer players who have got into the game off the back of these sets. We also know from the WC article that we are getting a Death Guard box, so that covers those as well.. Orks were NEVER going to get a xmas box. It is way to close to the codex release and they are pushing the new models hard. GW get a lot of backlash already from players, imagine the outcry from everyone jumping into Orks for the codex in November, only to release that if they'd waited 4-6 weeks they could have saved themselves several hundred £s. Likewise, GSC aren't going to get a box set as they got one last year (iirc) and their codex hasn't been released yet. I imagine they could possibly be getting their own box around their codex release as a mini-game, as that seems to be the current trend. I don't think Chaos would have got a box this year, simply because of Blackstone Fortress. We can see that they are getting new standard marine kits, however, we don't know when and which kits will be upgraded. Why sell a box full of old Chaos Marine models when the vast majority of Chaos players would just hold and wait for the new upgraded kits to be released? Likewise with all the traitor Guard stuff. Likewise with Chaos Daemons. We are getting new Khorne and Slaanesh models in their AoS Realm of Chaos? box set sometime soon. I think T'au got a box last year as well, so that might be another reason why they didn't get one this year. Only other factions left are Nids, Drukhari and Harlequinns (and the chapter specific Marines). Quinns could have made an interesting box, but it wouldn't have contained much, and what would honestly go into a Drukhari box set and be reasonable? The way their codex is split would leave 66% of the Drukhari players disappointed. Also it'd have meant 2 Aeldari box sets, so we'd be in the same situation as "2 Primaris box sets". Nids however, i guess were just the one that didn't make the cut between Eldar, Admech and Necrons.
The big standout for these box sets is the Imperial Fists one. This is potentially huge for Marines of all Chapters going forward, but it is also a potential spoiler. Players have been crying out for so long for upgrade kits for all the Chapters. This might be the start of the request becoming a reality. Who knows, after the Founding Chapters have kits, maybe Guard Regiment upgrade kits could be next. But, spoiler wise, my first thoughts was "wow, is this an indication that the next Primarch is going to be Dorn, and it'll be relatively early on in 2019?" If Dorn is the next Primarch, these upgrade kits will sell incredibly well and quickly. It'd be the same if the next Primarch was Corax and the upgrade kit was Raven Guard etc. The Imperial Fists set is nothing but a potential good sign for the future of army customisation.
Couple things:
a) Just becase orks got new buggies doesn't mean those would have to be in the box and indeed as the discount boxes tend to be by old already paid for moulds makes sense they would not. Orks have wide amount of plastics to choose. Some boyz, nob, gorkanaut, lootas and mega nobs for example(haven't calculated what kind of box would be equilavent so just random example) and the new kits wouldn't be bothered.
b) what makes imperial fist upgrade sprue so different to all the other upgrade sprues? Seems more of same expected upgrade sprues slowly to various chapters. Dorn? If upgrade sprue makes you think of Primarch where's the Sanquinus and Lion?-)
Honestly the Imperial Fist upgrade sprue, assuming it's real, is important because it's not the main four (Ultras/BA/DA/Woofs) or even Templars. They've done joint Imperial/Crimson Fists before in some very old metal conversion packs, and of course the DW kit has a ton of different Chapter pads, but this is an Imperial Fist army. The last time GW did that... well...
Voss wrote: Wait. Whatnow? All these years and all GW had to do was let Forgeworld do a single one-off Necromunda model and suddenly the Squats clock is stopped forever?
Well to be fair GW now makes 100% more Squat models than they did 6 months or even 6 years ago.
Tyranid Horde wrote: That Eldar battleforce is a bit disappointing and consequently I will not be picking it up. I have 28 Guardians which I doubt I'll ever use in a single game and I already have 35 Dire Avengers. I don't need any more I reckon.
I know someone said GW bundle poorly selling units together and the range is limited but damn it's a messy box. You do make a saving yes, but they don't seem to have a target audience in mind for this force.
Most people who have played Eldar for any amount of time have the troops and that bloody farseer (I have two of those), most likely have the bikes as they were the new hotness a few years ago and if anyone played competitively in 6th/7th edition, they had at least one Wraithknight (2+ usually) and won't want any more.
They could have made this box so much better with the addition of a grav tank of some description or even a war walker, something that would give an incentive to pick up a start collecting or the wake the dead box.
While I dislike the box as well...they have hit it perfectly though, in that you don't get any repeats of the Start Collecting box (outside of...the Farseer?). I agree they could have done a grav tank or something, but they've been quite good about little to no overlap on Start Collecting boxes in the past - making a Start Collecting Box + Battleforce a really nice way to start any army at less than say $200-220 when picked up at discount. That's a great deal for pretty much any of the boxed sets shown. The Eldar kits are just tired, or limited in scope. I'm actually quite surprised the support weapons have never made it into an Eldar force (even though they are quite awful in-game).
