If Calgar does get ‘dreaded’ though, who’s going to drop him?
Didn’t get beat the swarmlord in h2h combat?
I don’t think the GSC or Orks have any character Mary Sue enough to deal with Calgar. It makes sense from a plot perspective though, Guilliman has returned which kinda makes Calgar redundant as a character, as he is now.
I don’t think the GSC or Orks have any character Mary Sue enough to deal with Calgar. It makes sense from a plot perspective though, Guilliman has returned which kinda makes Calgar redundant as a character, as he is now.
Abbadon could handle him, he already took a horus clone, and they are right by the EoT. Though in all fairness I think killing Guilliman off again would be kind of dumb.
Reddit seems to think it's a new Calgar figure with honor guard, because that's the ultramarines chapter banner, carried by his honor guard. Also Calgar and honor guard are mysteriously absent from the store suddenly.
Probably less blinged out if the Black Library stories are anything to go by, as Roboute keeps a mixed guard led by Sicarius, with the regular Honour Guard being much more blinged out than their Primaris counterparts.
The Facebook post mentions "Courage and Honour". Perhaps the name of the next Vigilus boxed set? I can see primaris with a new dreadnought versus something like CSM/Noise Marines.
After a wrath and ruin teaser and a vigilus summary that mentioned chaos cults, plus the traitor guard, beastmen and dark Mechanicum in Blackstone, staring at an ultramarines chapter banner is... something. A raw potato, perhaps, when you know a seven ingredient soup is being prepared.
Sure, you can do something with it, but I feel so unprepared for a bog standard SM release with so many holiday bundles, big box games and genestealer cults to wrap up.
Grimgold wrote: Everyone is going to be so disappointed when they find out its a tease for a dreadnought mobile game
Disappointed? I would be relieved as heck if this Yawnmarines tease turned out to be another insignificant digital license and not burning valuable injection molding time for moar mahreens.
Redemption wrote: The Facebook post mentions "Courage and Honour". Perhaps the name of the next Vigilus boxed set? I can see primaris with a new dreadnought versus something like CSM/Noise Marines.
Huh, that's an idea. Maybe it will be a boxed set with Ultras (and likely a new Calgar leading them) vs. Abaddon and some new CSM. That would mesh well with the Black Legion in Blackstone and the rumors of a new Abaddon which have been circulating forever.
Ugh... new Ultramarines... of course. Well, there's a lot of different rumors swirling about right now. I think a lot of things are going to be put to rest really quickly this weekend.
For example, different sources are claiming Abaddon, Fulgrim, or Angron. Let's assume it's one of those. The other two rumors will be put to rest.
There were also rumors of a new Primaris force coming to Vigilus, but the rumor said it would be a unique chapter. If it's Ultramarines instead, then we can put that other rumor to rest too.
If there is a box set that's Primaris vs. Chaos, that will put the box set rumor to rest as well.
My money is on Black Legion coming to Vigilus alongside Abaddon versus a Marneus Calgar in a dreadnought.
The rumour I have seen floating around is a primaris vs black legion box set. Marneus and Abaddon are arguably the two most important non primarch marines in the setting. A box set featuring the elite of those two armies and a gathering storm style box set for the characters would be interesting.
Redemption wrote: The Facebook post mentions "Courage and Honour". Perhaps the name of the next Vigilus boxed set? I can see primaris with a new dreadnought versus something like CSM/Noise Marines.
Huh, that's an idea. Maybe it will be a boxed set with Ultras (and likely a new Calgar leading them) vs. Abaddon and some new CSM. That would mesh well with the Black Legion in Blackstone and the rumors of a new Abaddon which have been circulating forever.
Problem with the "versus" box idea is that the last few have had half the name from each faction, haven't they (tooth & Claw, Wrath & Rapture)? Courage & Glory would be Ultramarines fighting more Ultramarines? Although I suppose double Marines is the final destination of GW boxed sets.
Kanluwen wrote: Ultramarines just got one with the Aeldari too...
Nope, that was generic SM. GW again was too cheap to throw in even a single UM upgrade sprue, there is literally nothing in the box making it UM release besides box art (when even literally whos from 4th founding get their upgrade sprues included...), not even slightest hint on the Lt mini. Hell, it had more Novamarines accents and design ties than it did UM...
Kanluwen wrote: Ultramarines just got one with the Aeldari too...
Nope, that was generic SM. GW again was too cheap to throw in even a single UM upgrade sprue, there is literally nothing in the box making it UM release besides box art (when even literally whos from 4th founding get their upgrade sprues included...), not even slightest hint on the Lt mini. Hell, it had more Novamarines accents and design ties than it did UM...
Good. Let's hope it is the same with this release.
Nope, that was generic SM. GW again was too cheap to throw in even a single UM upgrade sprue, there is literally nothing in the box making it UM release besides box art (when even literally whos from 4th founding get their upgrade sprues included...), not even slightest hint on the Lt mini. Hell, it had more Novamarines accents and design ties than it did UM...
It included the standard transfer sheet, which is Ultramarines specific.
Also included are 2 transfer sheets – 1 Aeldari and 1 Ultramarines Infantry
The Lieutenant has the laurels on his helm(where have we seen that before...)
Spoiler:
He then has the Lieutenant emblem on his arm holding the Bolt Pistol out. It's not a new emblem, it's been in the box since the Primaris Captain:
Nope, that was generic SM. GW again was too cheap to throw in even a single UM upgrade sprue, there is literally nothing in the box making it UM release besides box art (when even literally whos from 4th founding get their upgrade sprues included...), not even slightest hint on the Lt mini. Hell, it had more Novamarines accents and design ties than it did UM...
It included the standard transfer sheet, which is Ultramarines specific.
Also included are 2 transfer sheets – 1 Aeldari and 1 Ultramarines Infantry
The Lieutenant has the laurels on his helm(where have we seen that before...)
Spoiler:
He then has the Lieutenant emblem on his arm holding the Bolt Pistol out. It's not a new emblem, it's been in the box since the Primaris Captain:
I am leaning toward this being an announcement for Angels of Death. A few new kits (hopefully a Repulsor with fewer guns and an alternate Redemptor, at the very least), upgrade sprues for the Imperial Fists and Iron Hands.
casvalremdeikun wrote:I am leaning toward this being an announcement for Angels of Death. A few new kits (hopefully a Repulsor with fewer guns and an alternate Redemptor, at the very least), upgrade sprues for the Imperial Fists and Iron Hands.
Primaris Iron Fists? Sign me up please. Don't the Fists have sprues coming soon in that army box?
H.B.M.C. wrote:Codex: Primaris Marines
"It's time to drop the pretense."
This had me in stitches. And honestly wouldn't surprise me.
casvalremdeikun wrote:I am leaning toward this being an announcement for Angels of Death. A few new kits (hopefully a Repulsor with fewer guns and an alternate Redemptor, at the very least), upgrade sprues for the Imperial Fists and Iron Hands.
Primaris Iron Fists? Sign me up please. Don't the Fists have sprues coming soon in that army box?
That is exactly what has me leaning toward it being an add-on book with some general releases to go with it. We all but have confirmation of an Imperial Fists Upgrade Sprue, it would make sense for it to be paired with a book.
Perhaps there will be a new datasheet for an HQ Redemptor Dreadnought?
casvalremdeikun wrote:I am leaning toward this being an announcement for Angels of Death. A few new kits (hopefully a Repulsor with fewer guns and an alternate Redemptor, at the very least), upgrade sprues for the Imperial Fists and Iron Hands.
Primaris Iron Fists? Sign me up please. Don't the Fists have sprues coming soon in that army box?
That is exactly what has me leaning toward it being an add-on book with some general releases to go with it. We all but have confirmation of an Imperial Fists Upgrade Sprue, it would make sense for it to be paired with a book.
Perhaps there will be a new datasheet for an HQ Redemptor Dreadnought?
That would make a lot of sense. Honestly I think upgrade sprues for all of the founding chapters would probably sell well. So far we have Space Wolves, Ultras, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels. That's only 5 more small sprues, and Fists are all but guaranteed. Of the chapters without them Iron Hands (haha Iron Fists....nice slippage earlier) probably need one the most, being very bionic and all that jazz.
I'm agreeing with an earlier post....a Primaris Ancient. It's already a banner in the video, and the whole Duty does not end in Death reflects the Ancient rule in the game.
On the topic of upgrade sprues for the primaris; this would make a LOT of sense, considering GW could want to cut in on the profits 3d printers on shapeways and etc are currently enjoying.
Its unreasonable to expect anything beyond the OG 9, but simultaneously unreasonable for GW to let those customers go
bullyboy wrote:I'm agreeing with an earlier post....a Primaris Ancient. It's already a banner in the video, and the whole Duty does not end in Death reflects the Ancient rule in the game.
That is certainly a possibility. But the one in the Dark Imperium box is pretty much perfect, so I don't really see the need. And from a GW standpoint, they would rather sell you a $150 Dark Imperium than a $30 Ancient. Though really, if they started doing wider releases of some of the characters that are in that boxed set, I would be down for it. And really, between the two new basic Primaris Lieutenants (one is a CC variant, the other is the ranged variant), they have already started to do so. A new Gravis Captain and Ancient are all that remains from that boxed set that isn't available separate.
Neronoxx wrote:On the topic of upgrade sprues for the primaris; this would make a LOT of sense, considering GW could want to cut in on the profits 3d printers on shapeways and etc are currently enjoying.
Its unreasonable to expect anything beyond the OG 9, but simultaneously unreasonable for GW to let those customers go
Oh for sure. And they already have 3D models for the Imperial Fists pauldron (the Mk VIII Pauldron from the Deathwatch Veterans is the same as the Mk X) and Iron Hands. I would love for it to have a Power Fist or Shield on the Imperial Fist one, but I won't hold my breath. We will just have to wait and see. But I already have enough tiny Pauldron icons from Shapeways for my army, so unless this is spectacular, I likely will pass on them.
Didn't the Warhammer Community post before this teaser say "Something BIG is coming to Vigilus." etc? That, combine with this rather bizarre teaser (the banner does look like it's from a random computer game...) is pretty confusing. That's a plus to me.
Malika2 wrote: All regular Ultramarines die and are reborn as Primaris.
Hey, if that means you get traditional squad types with Primaris statlines and they finally start releasing models with embiggened versions of the classic armour marks, do eeeeeeeeeet. Also, Ultras getting a beating is always fun, even if they always make their Plot Armour save and come back somehow.
I agree. It's one of the two Primaris Marines that I own, the other being the more dynamic of the two Lieutenants.
I stopped at one Primaris Lieutenant.
GW didn't.
You mean the Power Sword and Bolt Pistol LT? Yeah, he is pretty great, and it isn't often we see a SM that is firing his sidearm when he has a power weapon. Honestly, if they recut the Primaris Ancient from Dark Imperium and sold him separate, I bet he would sell. But instead, we are probably going to get a brand new one that isn't quite as good, but has a bunch of new options that aren't in the codex. But I have one of the Dark Imperium Ancients for each of my main SM armies, so I am good.
What's weird is that usually the date they give is the actual pre-order date.
This could easily just be a teaser for the big box of Primaris marines getting released for Christmas. Or the ancient, or anything.
I'd like a Primaris codex myself. It could feature relics that primaris guys could actually take (unlike half of them in the main book, annoyingly) and stratagems for them too.
I don't think that's what we'll get, but I can dream!
Mandragola wrote: What's weird is that usually the date they give is the actual pre-order date.
This could easily just be a teaser for the big box of Primaris marines getting released for Christmas. Or the ancient, or anything.
I'd like a Primaris codex myself. It could feature relics that primaris guys could actually take (unlike half of them in the main book, annoyingly) and stratagems for them too.
I don't think that's what we'll get, but I can dream!
The date is the first day of the Vigilus Open day at Warhammer World so it probably means all will be revealed tomorrow.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I think that we're looking at this in too narrow a fashion.
What is this weekend? Vigilis (SP?) Weekender.
Who plays a big(ger?) role in the current narrative? Guilliman and the Ultramarines.
What's in this trailer? The Ultramarine's Chapter Banner.
So... probably something Vigilis related. I doubt they'd make a whole video just for a boxed AUD$50+ Primaris Ancient.
Speaking of too narrow an approach, it's not like they would have to limit themselves to one thing. They can easily announce a video game set on Vigilus because it has nothing to do with them really along with a variety of Marine kits tying into the Vigilus storyline (because there's always more room for Marines) as well as push, say Failbaddon or Emprah's Kiddies as the new big threat to Vigilus.
They do tease stuff months in advance now so there's no reason the weekender that's supposed to reveal the future of the Vigilus story has to be about one thing only because that one thing is all they can fit into the next week or three of releases.
I don't see the point in making a teaser video for an ancient.
We all know stuff was going to be announced Saturday.
So why have the Ultramarines chapter banner, which is carried by honour guard, in a little teaser 2 days before the announcement, hype obviously but I wouldn't call a banner bearer big
Marleymoo wrote: I'm hoping we find out who the owner of the Chaosy looking Plasma weapon is from the other weeks rumour engine at this Vigilus weekend.
Could it be possible that after over a year of Dark Imperium being the 8th Ed starter set, successfully introducing both the primaris and death guard model ranges, which i think its fair to say are now both flourishing, we see a new version with Primaris wave 2 VS Black Legion/Emperors children??
Of course the starter set will be the easier to build single pose models with the multi part kits following in a few months? Maybe an updated core rulebook ??
Could it be Marneus Calgar as a banner bearer? He kind of lost his position with Gulliman coming back and making himself the symbol of Gulliman could work as a new role. Similar to the way that Malcador carried the Emperor’s standard.
reds8n wrote: I see it as more likely that he might die -- paving the way for the first Primaris Chapter Master of a Founding Legion ?
Cue a very angry captain of the first company, Agememom or something.
Maybe all the high ranking Ultras died in a freak pict-recorder accident, and so they found Primaris Brother Ralphius, working as a pianist in a bar on Calth, to be next in line for Chapter Master?
I totally get why he hasn’t. He may be a Traitor, but I’m not all convinced that to this point he’s properly sold out.
That, and the Big Four aren’t that keen on shared ascension since Belakor went somewhat tits up.
But when the chips are down (and Abaddon did get a bloody nose over Cadia, being forced into desperate measures), perhaps he’s actuslly insane enough to embrace Daemonhood at long last?
I totally get why he hasn’t. He may be a Traitor, but I’m not all convinced that to this point he’s properly sold out.
That, and the Big Four aren’t that keen on shared ascension since Belakor went somewhat tits up.
But when the chips are down (and Abaddon did get a bloody nose over Cadia, being forced into desperate measures), perhaps he’s actuslly insane enough to embrace Daemonhood at long last?
I hope not, the thing that makes him interesting is the fact that he can play as himself and juggle all 4 ruinous powers. mak,ing him 40k NuArcheon would be super lame.
The orks in that picture are definitely fighting more Primaris marines in the right of the image. I'm sure we'll see the rest of the image this weekend.
Brazen Claws being an Iron Hands successor chapter also has me happy. Iron Hands definitely got the shortest end of the stick across GW attention/lore.
You mean the Power Sword and Bolt Pistol LT? Yeah, he is pretty great, and it isn't often we see a SM that is firing his sidearm when he has a power weapon. Honestly, if they recut the Primaris Ancient from Dark Imperium and sold him separate, I bet he would sell. But instead, we are probably going to get a brand new one that isn't quite as good, but has a bunch of new options that aren't in the codex. But I have one of the Dark Imperium Ancients for each of my main SM armies, so I am good.
Probably still a ton of DI Ancients floating around unused. Hard to sell a $45 CAD single mini while that's the case.
That said, the Primaris characters are mostly pretty easy to convert. I'm working on filling my Librarian, Chaplain and Apothecary needs from Dark Imperium spares and Reiver bits.
I totally get why he hasn’t. He may be a Traitor, but I’m not all convinced that to this point he’s properly sold out.
That, and the Big Four aren’t that keen on shared ascension since Belakor went somewhat tits up.
But when the chips are down (and Abaddon did get a bloody nose over Cadia, being forced into desperate measures), perhaps he’s actuslly insane enough to embrace Daemonhood at long last?
I hope not, the thing that makes him interesting is the fact that he can play as himself and juggle all 4 ruinous powers. mak,ing him 40k NuArcheon would be super lame.
That's exactly what Archaon does though...
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I kind of hope he doesn’t. But given he’s about to go up against a Bone Fide Primarch, I can understand the change in perspective.
Would recommend Talon of Horus and Black Legion to anyone interested in The Black Legion or Abby. It's made clear that he's not going to make the same mistakes as his father. This is a big thing for The Black Legion, seeing their fathers as failures that ultimately abandoned them after ascending to daemnhood. Primarch shouldn't be that big a deal since the two need to be evenly matched for the sake of the narrative. Abaddon is as big as Horus, so maybe bigger than Guilliman and him being a clone of Horus is still a possibility. Khayon outright tells him that he thinks he is a clone of Horus. GW will probably just hand wave it away since it's all metaphysical and chaosy so what matter is that Abaddons will is strong enough.
BrookM wrote: Seeing as this is also a Vigilus thread (maybe?), from Instagram, new art? First time seeing it.
*image snip*
Vigilus Calls. The Imperium will answer...
It would be nice for more of the succesor chapters to get some time in the sun. Especially with the introduction of the Primaris and the Ultima founding.
I totally get why he hasn’t. He may be a Traitor, but I’m not all convinced that to this point he’s properly sold out.
That, and the Big Four aren’t that keen on shared ascension since Belakor went somewhat tits up.
But when the chips are down (and Abaddon did get a bloody nose over Cadia, being forced into desperate measures), perhaps he’s actuslly insane enough to embrace Daemonhood at long last?
I hope not, the thing that makes him interesting is the fact that he can play as himself and juggle all 4 ruinous powers. mak,ing him 40k NuArcheon would be super lame.
That's exactly what Archaon does though...
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I kind of hope he doesn’t. But given he’s about to go up against a Bone Fide Primarch, I can understand the change in perspective.
Would recommend Talon of Horus and Black Legion to anyone interested in The Black Legion or Abby. It's made clear that he's not going to make the same mistakes as his father. This is a big thing for The Black Legion, seeing their fathers as failures that ultimately abandoned them after ascending to daemnhood. Primarch shouldn't be that big a deal since the two need to be evenly matched for the sake of the narrative. Abaddon is as big as Horus, so maybe bigger than Guilliman and him being a clone of Horus is still a possibility. Khayon outright tells him that he thinks he is a clone of Horus. GW will probably just hand wave it away since it's all metaphysical and chaosy so what matter is that Abaddons will is strong enough.
Well your technically right, but I consider Drognar(sp) to basically be them making him a greater demon. To me he went from a menacing general to a tacked on bit to a massive multi headed mutant dragon. In abadons case it would be him getting the giant CG model treatment which I think strips him of what little humanity he has left and thus makes him far less menacing and turns him into a boss fight from a video game.
Nope, that was generic SM. GW again was too cheap to throw in even a single UM upgrade sprue, there is literally nothing in the box making it UM release besides box art (when even literally whos from 4th founding get their upgrade sprues included...), not even slightest hint on the Lt mini. Hell, it had more Novamarines accents and design ties than it did UM...
It included the standard transfer sheet, which is Ultramarines specific.
Also included are 2 transfer sheets – 1 Aeldari and 1 Ultramarines Infantry
The Lieutenant has the laurels on his helm(where have we seen that before...)
Spoiler:
He then has the Lieutenant emblem on his arm holding the Bolt Pistol out. It's not a new emblem, it's been in the box since the Primaris Captain:
Spoiler:
What? According to you, laurels = Ultramarines?
Gee, I had no idea Crimson Fists are Ultramarines!
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Or IF, for that matter:
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Or Blood Angels:
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Or Black Templars
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As for transfer sheet, you know what else includes standard transfer sheet? Literally every generic SM unit ever. So, according to you, Tactical Squad is Ultramarine only?
As for lieutenant pad, you're aware that this is standard codex badge? And literally every single chapter on Dark Imperium transfer sheet has their own variant of it? And if you actually looked at the Lt, instead of grasping at straws, you'd see he has Novamarine emblems on chest and gauntlets? I mean, you can try to argue it's stylized Iron Halo or something but special snowflake chapters have their own chapter badges there, and the fact the UM omegas are completely absent once again proves it's at best 100% generic Lt, with literally zero Ultramarine cues, not even pteruges or crest...
So, yeah, thanks for shooting your own foot with a baneblade, but all you did was proving my point. There is literally nothing Ultramarine in that box, it's 100% generic marines.
Now run that list with Primaris items. Because Lieutenant Tolmeron(Blood Angels) doesn't have laurels on his helm. Zakariah doesn't have laurels on his helm. The two from Dark Imperium didn't have laurels, nor does the store special sculpt.
There has been one Lieutenant model that has laurels on his helm, and like the Space Wolf sculpt he's only available in a themed box. Gee I wonder what that means...
As for transfer sheet, you know what else includes standard transfer sheet? Literally every generic SM unit ever. So, according to you, Tactical Squad is Ultramarine only?
Nope, just when they specifically call it out as the "Ultramarines" transfer sheet. It's all about branding the boxes.
So, yeah, thanks for shooting your own foot with a baneblade, but all you did was proving my point. There is literally nothing Ultramarine in that box, it's 100% generic marines.
Other than the Ultramarines transfer sheet, specifically called out, and the laurels that don't exist on any other Primaris characters yet right?
I just want to know what's coming so I can plan my hobby budget accordingly. If it's Abaddon and Ultramarines, zero money will be spent. If it's Iron Hands and Fulgrim with Emperor's Children, all the money will be spent. I NEED TO KNOW WHICH IT WILL BE.
So bad moon orks vs. an iron hands successor chapter, mars skitarii, and guard soup (cadian infantry, mordian commissar, and I'm not sure what unit is holding the banner). There is also a genestealer cult, and thus the possibility of a hive fleet (though I'm not sure which hive fleet is nearby). It's right next to the EoT and the 13th black crusade is back on the move, and thus may become involved. Aeldari of various flavors are already involved, the Ynnari aren't there yet but that might be a matter of time. It's right next to the Altymhor necron dynasty, who we know very little about other than the fact they are one of the few dynasties that take the lesser races as slaves, though since they are on the other side of the rift they would probably benefit from the IoM losing their access. Sounds like a party.
The only faction missing is the Tau, and maybe they will catch a ride with the necrons or aeldari.
Grimgold wrote: So bad moon orks vs. an iron hands successor chapter, mars skitarii, and guard soup (cadian infantry, mordian commissar, and I'm not sure what unit is holding the banner).
There's no "commissar". It's art based off of the Cadian Command Squad set, commonly used for Company Commanders. The Standard Bearer is a bit of an oddity. It looks like unused artwork of Jarran Kell, Ursukar Creed's bodyguard and standard bearer. He's been a fairly distinctive model in this regard since he comes with a powerfist on his right arm, a power sword(not shown in the art) and the vox bit on the front of his carapace armor along with the 'speaker' on his right shoulder. The banner in question is the Cadian VIII(Creed's Regiment) as well...which is weird because Kell died in The Gathering Storm.
Also the Skitarii? They aren't Martian. Those colors(black robes with red armor and gold trim) is Stygies VIII.
There is also a genestealer cult, and thus the possibility of a hive fleet (though I'm not sure which hive fleet is nearby). It's right next to the EoT and the 13th black crusade is back on the move, and thus may become involved. Aeldari of various flavors are already involved, the Ynnari aren't there yet but that might be a matter of time. It's right next to the Altymhor necron dynasty, who we know very little about other than the fact they are one of the few dynasties that take the lesser races as slaves, though since they are on the other side of the rift they would probably benefit from the IoM losing their access. Sounds like a party.
The only faction missing is the Tau, and maybe they will catch a ride with the necrons or aeldari.
Tau are present on Vigilus--or at least within the system Vigilus is situated. All of the Kill Team sets talk about their relationship to Vigilus.
Grimgold wrote: So bad moon orks vs. an iron hands successor chapter, mars skitarii, and guard soup (cadian infantry, mordian commissar, and I'm not sure what unit is holding the banner).
There's no "commissar". It's art based off of the Cadian Command Squad set, commonly used for Company Commanders.
The Standard Bearer is a bit of an oddity. It looks like unused artwork of Jarran Kell, Ursukar Creed's bodyguard and standard bearer. He's been a fairly distinctive model in this regard since he comes with a powerfist on his right arm, a power sword(not shown in the art) and the vox bit on the front of his carapace armor along with the 'speaker' on his right shoulder. The banner in question is the Cadian VIII(Creed's Regiment) as well...which is weird because Kell died in The Gathering Storm.
Also the Skitarii? They aren't Martian. Those colors(black robes with red armor and gold trim) is Stygies VIII.
There is also a genestealer cult, and thus the possibility of a hive fleet (though I'm not sure which hive fleet is nearby). It's right next to the EoT and the 13th black crusade is back on the move, and thus may become involved. Aeldari of various flavors are already involved, the Ynnari aren't there yet but that might be a matter of time. It's right next to the Altymhor necron dynasty, who we know very little about other than the fact they are one of the few dynasties that take the lesser races as slaves, though since they are on the other side of the rift they would probably benefit from the IoM losing their access. Sounds like a party.
The only faction missing is the Tau, and maybe they will catch a ride with the necrons or aeldari.
Tau are present on Vigilus--or at least within the system Vigilus is situated. All of the Kill Team sets talk about their relationship to Vigilus.
Neat, I suppose they are from the Chalnath Expanse? I can't seem to find it on the map, and by vigilius seems as good as any other point.
Maybe we're looking at this the wrong way. Maybe it's not a release for just one army. Maybe a bunch of armies are about to get some stuff?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I see IG and Crimson fists attacking Orks and Skitarii, with some Ork allies...
The Ork behind that Brazen Claw Primaris Marine has never seen a Primaris Marine before, and as they're bigger than regular Marines the Ork probably assumes its a statue, which is why he hasn't turned to face the Marine.
Red Corsair wrote: I hope not, the thing that makes him interesting is the fact that he can play as himself and juggle all 4 ruinous powers. mak,ing him 40k NuArcheon would be super lame.
You mean to say that you don't think adding a monstrosity to 40K is a good idea?
Kanluwen wrote: Now run that list with Primaris items. Because Lieutenant Tolmeron(Blood Angels) doesn't have laurels on his helm...
Don't engage, Kan. The man only exists to start his posts with some variation of "You are wrong!!!". There's no victory to be had here.
Luciferian wrote: What do each of those art prints portray? They don't look like they're the right colors or markings for the Emperor's Spears.
One on the left seems to be Dark Angels or some chapter with a similar sword with wings insignia. The middle, I can't make out, and the right is definitely the mentors chapter. Maybe this is a dedicated book to successor chapters, particularly primaris?
I'm not sure if its the angle, but it definitely looks female. Maybe it's just a guy with long hair? Or maybe it's an inquisitor in power armour and the wings on the shoulder pad are just an aquila? I'd be super surprised if this was how female primaris marines debuted.
Maybe chapter smurfs? I hope its just chapter smurfs. Her armor doesn't look big enough to be powered armor, and I think marines have bigger heads. The sigil on her shoulder does look more like an aquila, yes.
OMG it would be worth all of the waiting just for this, salt would be poured upon the forums like an unquenchable tide. It would be a neckbeard shitshow of monumental proportions. I've got to go make some popcorn...
I'm not sure if its the angle, but it definitely looks female. Maybe it's just a guy with long hair? Or maybe it's an inquisitor in power armour and the wings on the shoulder pad are just an aquila? I'd be super surprised if this was how female primaris marines debuted.
It's an Aaron Dembski-Bowden book.
He likes to have female characters present, and it's likely she is an Imperial official.
OMG it would be worth all of the waiting just for this, salt would be poured upon the forums like an unquenchable tide. It would be a neckbeard shitshow of monumental proportions. I've got to go make some popcorn...
I mean drastically changing the aesthetic and thematic elements that make up a faction just to piss people off seems kind of petty, but sure.
OMG it would be worth all of the waiting just for this, salt would be poured upon the forums like an unquenchable tide. It would be a neckbeard shitshow of monumental proportions. I've got to go make some popcorn...
I mean drastically changing the aesthetic and thematic elements that make up a faction just to piss people off seems kind of petty, but sure.
OMG it would be worth all of the waiting just for this, salt would be poured upon the forums like an unquenchable tide. It would be a neckbeard shitshow of monumental proportions. I've got to go make some popcorn...
I mean drastically changing the aesthetic and thematic elements that make up a faction just to piss people off seems kind of petty, but sure.
It'll be Tau all over again.... but worse.
I'm guessing you're referring to how GW doubled down on battlesuits and made bigger ones rather than the previous fluff indication that Tau used air support like Mantas to deal with titan-level threats, rather than going full-Pacific Rim?
OMG it would be worth all of the waiting just for this, salt would be poured upon the forums like an unquenchable tide. It would be a neckbeard shitshow of monumental proportions. I've got to go make some popcorn...
I mean drastically changing the aesthetic and thematic elements that make up a faction just to piss people off seems kind of petty, but sure.
I'm not sure if its the angle, but it definitely looks female. Maybe it's just a guy with long hair? Or maybe it's an inquisitor in power armour and the wings on the shoulder pad are just an aquila? I'd be super surprised if this was how female primaris marines debuted.
100% female, but not sure we can say Space Marine. I'm not seeing any armour here, most likely an Inquisition/AM/SoB unit. Still cool, really hope GW start bringing female models into the fold as standard.
OMG it would be worth all of the waiting just for this, salt would be poured upon the forums like an unquenchable tide. It would be a neckbeard shitshow of monumental proportions. I've got to go make some popcorn...
I mean drastically changing the aesthetic and thematic elements that make up a faction just to piss people off seems kind of petty, but sure.
It'll be Tau all over again.... but worse.
I'm guessing you're referring to how GW doubled down on battlesuits and made bigger ones rather than the previous fluff indication that Tau used air support like Mantas to deal with titan-level threats, rather than going full-Pacific Rim?
Something like that, along with their original introduction in part, though they were an addition to the thematic elements of 40k, rather than a corruption/redesign of an existing faction.
"Spear of the Emperor is a Warhammer first!
Firstly it's Aaron Dembski Bowden being allowed free reign to flesh out a relatively untouched chapter of Space Marines (a rare honour for a Black Library writer).
Not only that though, it's also a condensed mini-codex for that new Chapter, replete with art, background, and a chapter tactic.
And a transfer sheet of decals for the chapter is also included!
Finally there's a gorgeous set of play aides and art cards."
Huh, ADB is the fluff writer for them eh? That gives them a lot more credence as far as their background goes. This also sets a precedent for what GW might be doing after GSC is released and all the codices are effectively done, we might get further additional mini-factions in this vein. Ideally, this means some stuff might some touch-ups in this manner, (commmmme on Black Templars!).
The female is most likely Anuradha who is the narrator of Spear of the Emperor and is a Chapter serf. This is discussed by ADB at his blog, with the relevant section of the preface below:
Anuradha offered a great chance at seeing all of this from an entirely human perspective, and a less formal voice for the text. She hasn’t been through hypno-indoctrination like a loyalist Space Marine; she isn’t an angelic weapon that struggles to understand the people of the empire she was born to defend. Similarly, she isn’t motivated by bitterness and hatred; burdened by the magnified emotional array of Traitor Marines, either.
So yeah, that'd be why they're an art print; they're the storyteller.
Oh wow, I was right.
Also, yay. I like chapter serfs. That's a concept they really need to develop upon, as it provides a more human perception of the inner workings of a chapter.
So I did some more digging, ADB said that he sought out inspiration from lots of different people whilst writing this, firemen, naval gunners, prison officers (basically anyone that gets put through the gak) and tried to find a way to use their stories and influence to write this book from the mortals perspective (I think he was drawing on how he felt listening to their stories, and has tried to use that to portray how a mortal would feel being around an astartes).
I'm guessing here, but I'm putting my money on the left hand portrait being a well renowned serf of some sort. Not mortal, not super human but something in between.
Those ears look pretty elven to me, though that may just be the angle of the picture.
Also, the veiled region (which the spears are the last of 3 chapters to watch over) is largely untraversed, the astronomicon does not penetrate in to it, and is frequented by a variety of piratical Orks, traders, unknown xenos and necrons.
"Spear of the Emperor is a Warhammer first!
Firstly it's Aaron Dembski Bowden being allowed free reign to flesh out a relatively untouched chapter of Space Marines (a rare honour for a Black Library writer).
Not only that though, it's also a condensed mini-codex for that new Chapter, replete with art, background, and a chapter tactic.
And a transfer sheet of decals for the chapter is also included!
Finally there's a gorgeous set of play aides and art cards."
Oh. Well that's neat. I guess.
I do hope that there will be some models revealed at the weekender, though. I was kind of hoping for that.
"Spear of the Emperor is a Warhammer first!
Firstly it's Aaron Dembski Bowden being allowed free reign to flesh out a relatively untouched chapter of Space Marines (a rare honour for a Black Library writer).
Not only that though, it's also a condensed mini-codex for that new Chapter, replete with art, background, and a chapter tactic.
And a transfer sheet of decals for the chapter is also included!
Finally there's a gorgeous set of play aides and art cards."
Oh. Well that's neat. I guess.
I do hope that there will be some models revealed at the weekender, though. I was kind of hoping for that.
Looking in to this further, I can't help but think this to be unrelated to Vigilus.
Looking at the map of cicatrix maledictum, the Spears are believed to be doing their thing at the south Western edge of the map, whereas Vigilus is in the ultima segmentum (I think) which is north eastern.
I'd be surprised if something big was coming to vigilus from that far off?!
Maybe we get Russ, wielding Gungir and GW figured "hey this'll be a good time to drop in other spear related stuff too"
Looking in to this further, I can't help but think this to be unrelated to Vigilus.
Looking at the map of cicatrix maledictum, the Spears are believed to be doing their thing at the south Western edge of the map, whereas Vigilus is in the ultima segmentum (I think) which is north eastern.
I'd be surprised if something big was coming to vigilus from that far off?!
Maybe we get Russ, wielding Gungir and GW figured "hey this'll be a good time to drop in other spear related stuff too"
It's kind of confusing because the wiki article is incorrect, it list Vigilius in the ultima segmentum, but it's actually in segmentum obscurus. The GW page list it as being in the Nachmund gauntlet, which per the necron codex page 14 is located right next to the eye of terror.
As another note the veiled regions are in segmentum pacificus which is the far eastern edge of the galaxy, so the spears are actually pretty close to vigilius.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Maybe chapter smurfs?
I hope its just chapter smurfs.
Her armor doesn't look big enough to be powered armor, and I think marines have bigger heads. The sigil on her shoulder does look more like an aquila, yes.
It kinda looks like scout armor if I'm deliberately looking for proof, but she's probably a tempestus scion or similarly elite human.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Maybe chapter smurfs?
I hope its just chapter smurfs.
Her armor doesn't look big enough to be powered armor, and I think marines have bigger heads. The sigil on her shoulder does look more like an aquila, yes.
It kinda looks like scout armor if I'm deliberately looking for proof, but she's probably a tempestus scion or similarly elite human.
Shes the POV Character of the Book, a Chapter Serf.
I like that idea a lot, should provide a very unusual perspective to the inner workings of a chapter. We'll get some unique commentary on the hyper-badasses of the galaxy from the people who do their laundry.
As awesome as it would be if they made female Primaris, I'm not sure that's what she is.
FWIW, after all the stuff they do to a person to make them into a primaris marine, I'm not sure you'd be able to tell what gender they started out as. Especially not under the power armour. But if there ever was such a thing as a female marine I don't think she'd be likely to have that "just stepped out of the salon" look.
Looking in to this further, I can't help but think this to be unrelated to Vigilus.
Looking at the map of cicatrix maledictum, the Spears are believed to be doing their thing at the south Western edge of the map, whereas Vigilus is in the ultima segmentum (I think) which is north eastern.
I'd be surprised if something big was coming to vigilus from that far off?!
Maybe we get Russ, wielding Gungir and GW figured "hey this'll be a good time to drop in other spear related stuff too"
It's kind of confusing because the wiki article is incorrect, it list Vigilius in the ultima segmentum, but it's actually in segmentum obscurus. The GW page list it as being in the Nachmund gauntlet, which per the necron codex page 14 is located right next to the eye of terror.
In which case...
RUSS CONFIRMED
(how much hate will I get for capitalising that I wonder?)
He pops over to Garm, picks up his spear (which was originally owned by the Emperor, another tie in to this release) we start getting serious rumblings about Fulgrim doing the rounds and all a sudden it's a big brother bash around Vigilus.
GW release the Emperors Spear book as they decided to release something else that'd relate to that and job done. Something big came to vigilus and we get some awesome new ADB stuff about what's occurring on the opposite edge of the Galaxy.
Yes I'm probably gak posting. Yes I'll put the phone down and go to sleep now.
Mandragola wrote: As awesome as it would be if they made female Primaris, I'm not sure that's what she is.
FWIW, after all the stuff they do to a person to make them into a primaris marine, I'm not sure you'd be able to tell what gender they started out as. Especially not under the power armour. But if there ever was such a thing as a female marine I don't think she'd be likely to have that "just stepped out of the salon" look.
As much as I would personally approve of an entire faction of giant butch warriors, I doubt marketing would let the designers make more "realistic" female marines even if they wanted to.
Looking in to this further, I can't help but think this to be unrelated to Vigilus.
That's because it's entirely unrelated. What the rumours state is that an Ultima founding Chapter of Primaris Marines is supposed to step up to the narrative plate for Vigilus. The fact that the Emperor's Spears acquired a chapter tactic from a limited edition copy of a new ADB book doesn't factor in here. It's cool, mind you - but isn't the expected new Primaris only chapter we've been hearing about.
Spear of the Emperor is up on the GW New Zealand web site of you want to check it out. Doesn’t appear to have anything to do with Vigilus, as has already been pointed out.
Banville wrote: That decal sheet has Void Tridents insignia. Ultima Founding Chapter from the same world as Sicarius.
No it doesn’t, it has the Emperors Spears chapter insignia, which is the chapter the book is about.
It looks very much like it. It's a bit silly of GW to create a readily identifiable 'touchstone' Primaris faction that can deepen the fluff and then give them blue armour and a trident for a symbol. Scratches head....
The Emperors Spears have pale blue armour with a white helm and black trident chapter badge with a skull in the centre. While the Void Tridents have dark blue armour, bronze helms and shoulder trims, white shoulder pads and an stylized red trident as there chapter badge. Even at a glance most people wouldn't mix them up.
Banville wrote: That decal sheet has Void Tridents insignia. Ultima Founding Chapter from the same world as Sicarius.
No it doesn’t, it has the Emperors Spears chapter insignia, which is the chapter the book is about.
It looks very much like it. It's a bit silly of GW to create a readily identifiable 'touchstone' Primaris faction that can deepen the fluff and then give them blue armour and a trident for a symbol. Scratches head....
I don't think anyone has ever heard of the Void Tridents and after Emperor's spears, who will want to when there's a cooler blue trident army heh?
So yeah, old marines confirmed to go extinct in the next decade or so. Finally. I've been waiting for that since I first started playing WH40K 12 years ago or so.
I really hope the new Black Legion guy can be built as a generic Raptor Lord. Would be pretty rude to Night Lords fans to make an HQ that synergizes with their iconic unit and not let them use it.
Vintersorg wrote: So yeah, old marines confirmed to go extinct in the next decade or so. Finally. I've been waiting for that since I first started playing WH40K 12 years ago or so.
Yeah, cause it's not like they made the Cadians too big or anything...
Honestly, I am fine with a plastic Primaris Marneus Calgar. I just hope other characters get new models too. Give us a new plastic Commander Dante and Azrael. Heck, I would love to have a brand new plastic Pedro Kantor!
Edit: I gotta admit, those Honour Guard look pretty sweet. And they come with shields so they are actually capable of guarding him. Hopefully other Chapters will get updated rules to allow shield Honour Guard.
So is that going to bea Trinity box? Calgar with 2 Honour Guard (seen in the video) and Evil Jump Pack Man?
And I'm glad we're finally going back to "Chapter of the month" of late 3rd edition, when every issue of WD gave us another Marine ruleset, because there can never be enough Marines. Except this time it's a 200 GBP collector's edition box
casvalremdeikun wrote: Honestly, I am fine with a plastic Primaris Marneus Calgar. I just hope other characters get new models too. Give us a new plastic Commander Dante and Azrael. Heck, I would love to have a brand new plastic Pedro Kantor!
Edit: I gotta admit, those Honour Guard look pretty sweet. And they come with shields so they are actually capable of guarding him. Hopefully other Chapters will get updated rules to allow shield Honour Guard.
To be fair they did have Marneus mention something called "the Rubicon Primaris", so I reckon there's a good chance we'll see those turned into Primaris in the future.
Some awesome stuff here. Calgary is okay, but I really like his honour guard. The Warp Talon Lord is awesome. Slaanesh herald with harp person is very cool. The new Titan looks sweet. And the GSC dirt bikers/buggy are fantastic (I love the bike sniper).
Lol, bye to old marines. If the most important characters are being converted to primaris that's the end of the faction. Nice models from an aesthetic point of view, but complete heresy fluff-wise. Enjoy your new chaos faction, and I only pray that the female character in the book preview is a primaris marine.
New bikers are cool, but dammit why isn't there an IG version? They'd make awesome rough rider equivalents if only the rules were there.
New titan looks like , but thankfully those are Reaver arm weapons so it's confirmed to cost way more points than any game of 40k will ever use (and no, Apocalypse is not a game, it's an exercise in masochism) and we'll never see one outside of a display case.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Honestly, I am fine with a plastic Primaris Marneus Calgar. I just hope other characters get new models too. Give us a new plastic Commander Dante and Azrael. Heck, I would love to have a brand new plastic Pedro Kantor!
Edit: I gotta admit, those Honour Guard look pretty sweet. And they come with shields so they are actually capable of guarding him. Hopefully other Chapters will get updated rules to allow shield Honour Guard.
To be fair they did have Marneus mention something called "the Rubicon Primaris", so I reckon there's a good chance we'll see those turned into Primaris in the future.
He's referring to the rift. UM have a Roman theme going on remember?
Those dirt bikes. A million IG players got excited and then crushed by the realisation that they can now easily build bine rough riders...but they're index only. GW giveth, GW taketh.
Calgar's tactical rock is a bit naff and overall the pose on the older model is more regal and imposing, IMO.
The CSM guy is oksy, but two-handed spear charge would've looked REALLY cool.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Honestly, I am fine with a plastic Primaris Marneus Calgar. I just hope other characters get new models too. Give us a new plastic Commander Dante and Azrael. Heck, I would love to have a brand new plastic Pedro Kantor!
Edit: I gotta admit, those Honour Guard look pretty sweet. And they come with shields so they are actually capable of guarding him. Hopefully other Chapters will get updated rules to allow shield Honour Guard.
I hope so. I like my Pedro Kantor, but a nice new plastic version would be great. And really, I do love the Mk X armor, so basically a straight update of Pedro in Mk X instead of Mk VII would be fine by me.
To be fair they did have Marneus mention something called "the Rubicon Primaris", so I reckon there's a good chance we'll see those turned into Primaris in the future.
Binabik15 wrote: A million IG players got excited and then crushed by the realisation that they can now easily build bine rough riders...but they're index only. GW giveth, GW taketh.
Index only, and armed with completely different weapons that would (IMO) look kind of silly on them. You'd have to create a new unit of shooting bikers to pair with the current melee unit, but of course that would make too much sense for GW.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Honestly, I am fine with a plastic Primaris Marneus Calgar. I just hope other characters get new models too. Give us a new plastic Commander Dante and Azrael. Heck, I would love to have a brand new plastic Pedro Kantor!
Edit: I gotta admit, those Honour Guard look pretty sweet. And they come with shields so they are actually capable of guarding him. Hopefully other Chapters will get updated rules to allow shield Honour Guard.
I hope so. I like my Pedro Kantor, but a nice new plastic version would be great. And really, I do love the Mk X armor, so basically a straight update of Pedro in Mk X instead of Mk VII would be fine by me.
To be fair they did have Marneus mention something called "the Rubicon Primaris", so I reckon there's a good chance we'll see those turned into Primaris in the future.
He says "I crossed the threshold of death into the Rubicon Primaris".
Binabik15 wrote: A million IG players got excited and then crushed by the realisation that they can now easily build bine rough riders...but they're index only. GW giveth, GW taketh.
Index only, and armed with completely different weapons that would (IMO) look kind of silly on them. You'd have to create a new unit of shooting bikers to pair with the current melee unit, but of course that would make too much sense for GW.
Wait, why exactly should this GSC release be made to give the Imperial Guard more model options?
Arachnofiend wrote: Wait, why exactly should this GSC release be made to give the Imperial Guard more model options?
Because it's a unit IG players have wanted for a long time, and it would be fairly easy to include some extra parts (heads, mostly) to make it a dual IG/GSC kit.
CragHack wrote: And the Titan...what the actual feth is going on there?
"What if we glue some Warlord bits on a Reaver?"
Sadly it's actually not a bad idea, doing a slightly heavier Reaver with a more significant carapace weapon, it just should have stuck closer to the Reaver design instead of using that awkward and way too small head and the giant shoulder bits with the eagles.
That titan is super cool, cannot wait for the Adeptus Titanicus version!!
Primaris über fans and naysayers should be calm and chill out, this still doesn't herald the end of normal marines. Remember GW has stated new standard marines are still being created, plus there are regular marines all over the vigils video and in the artwork.
The 'Rubicon Primaris' upgrade thing cal gar has gone through may be a highly specialised process that can't be applied universally, more info is require before nay pronouncements are made!
lolman1c wrote: Wait, did someone say female space marines or was that a joke?
The art for the new space marine book/mini-codex has a female character. The hope is that it's a primaris marine so the world can burn. The more likely explanation is that it's an inquisitor or similar who is a major character in the book.
robbienw wrote: That titan is super cool, cannot wait for the Adeptus Titanicus version!!
Primaris über fans and naysayers should be calm and chill out, this still doesn't herald the end of normal marines. Remember GW has stated new standard marines are still being created, plus there are regular marines all over the vigils video and in the artwork.
The 'Rubicon Primaris' upgrade thing cal gar has gone through may be a highly specialised process that can't be applied universally, more info is require before nay pronouncements are made!
Wording of the quote suggests there’s risk of death within the rubicon,
robbienw wrote: Primaris über fans and naysayers should be calm and chill out, this still doesn't herald the end of normal marines.
Of course it does. Ignore the fluff, GW will write and change whatever fluff they want to justify their new releases. From a business point of view this going from releasing supplementary units with primaris kits to now creating a direct replacement for an iconic character. The old marines may stay in production (as long as sales stay strong, which is unlikely), but this is a very strong message that they are being replaced as the focus of the army and will likely end up like the various index units that are technically still supported but not really something you're supposed to use.
robbienw wrote: That titan is super cool, cannot wait for the Adeptus Titanicus version!!
Primaris über fans and naysayers should be calm and chill out, this still doesn't herald the end of normal marines. Remember GW has stated new standard marines are still being created, plus there are regular marines all over the vigils video and in the artwork.
The 'Rubicon Primaris' upgrade thing cal gar has gone through may be a highly specialised process that can't be applied universally, more info is require before nay pronouncements are made!
To be fair, they haven't even hinted at a non-primaris space marine release since Dark Vengeance, so it's not an unreasonable conclusion to draw. Really, until we see another old marine release it's safer to err on the side of primaris only from now on.
The 'Rubicon Primaris' upgrade thing cal gar has gone through may be a highly specialised process that can't be applied universally, more info is require before nay pronouncements are made!
Again. Listen to what he says and the context- They're talking about his deeds "Willingly, I stepped across the threshold of death and into the Rubicon Primaris." to me, that's simply the Ultramarine name for the rift. They have a Roman theme going on. Different factions have different names for the rift remember.
I'm prepared to be wrong on this, but that's what it seems like to me.
I think GW have somewhat missed the mark on this release, personally.
Its not like marines are starved for new models. At least CSM get an update (and i think their models are the winners here) but I had the impression those players wanted new tactical equivalents as much anything?
Its nice GSC got a token mention but with the focus on Sisters for the foreseeable its clear that older ranges such as aspect warriors, Boys and the like are going to go without for a few more years yet.
I think GW have somewhat missed the mark on this release, personally.
Its not like marines are starved for new models. At least CSM get an update (and i think their models are the winners here) but I had the impression those players wanted new tactical equivalents as much anything?
Its nice GSC got a token mention but with the focus on Sisters for the foreseeable its clear that older ranges such as aspect warriors, Boys and the like are going to go without for a few more years yet.
More of the same and boring are my thoughts.
Marines get one new model, and it's at the same time as four other factions (five if you count the titan).
I think GW have somewhat missed the mark on this release, personally.
Its not like marines are starved for new models. At least CSM get an update (and i think their models are the winners here) but I had the impression those players wanted new tactical equivalents as much anything?
Its nice GSC got a token mention but with the focus on Sisters for the foreseeable its clear that older ranges such as aspect warriors, Boys and the like are going to go without for a few more years yet.
More of the same and boring are my thoughts.
Sisters models aren't likely to be released until this time NEXT year. This is just the codex. They haven't even shown the model that was supposed to be ready for Chapter Approved yet and even the previews have been updated versions of heads and weapons they already have.
There's like a solid 8 months where they could do all that other stuff.
I think GW have somewhat missed the mark on this release, personally.
Its not like marines are starved for new models. At least CSM get an update (and i think their models are the winners here) but I had the impression those players wanted new tactical equivalents as much anything?
Its nice GSC got a token mention but with the focus on Sisters for the foreseeable its clear that older ranges such as aspect warriors, Boys and the like are going to go without for a few more years yet.
More of the same and boring are my thoughts.
Marines get one new model, and it's at the same time as four other factions (five if you count the titan).
Admit it, you're just upset it wasn't orks again.
It would be pretty stupid to expect Orks again after the massive release we've just enjoyed.
Its boring. I'm sick of Smurfs vs CSM. They could've done all manner of interesting story points with Vigilus but unfortunately they have fell back on the standard they all know and love. Its a waste IMO.
Marines have been getting new models every few months since 8th released. No one was crying out for a new Calgar model. I'd be less bored if it was another chapter at least. Aren't many BA and DA character sculpts still from 2nd or 3rd ed?
robbienw wrote: That titan is super cool, cannot wait for the Adeptus Titanicus version!!
Primaris über fans and naysayers should be calm and chill out, this still doesn't herald the end of normal marines. Remember GW has stated new standard marines are still being created, plus there are regular marines all over the vigils video and in the artwork.
The 'Rubicon Primaris' upgrade thing cal gar has gone through may be a highly specialised process that can't be applied universally, more info is require before nay pronouncements are made!
To be fair, they haven't even hinted at a non-primaris space marine release since Dark Vengeance, so it's not an unreasonable conclusion to draw. Really, until we see another old marine release it's safer to err on the side of primaris only from now on.
We have seen old marine releases since primaris came out, series 1&2 of the space marine heroes. Not to mention several FW things. Or do those not count 'cause reasons'
ERJAK wrote: Sisters models aren't likely to be released until this time NEXT year. This is just the codex. They haven't even shown the model that was supposed to be ready for Chapter Approved yet and even the previews have been updated versions of heads and weapons they already have.
There's like a solid 8 months where they could do all that other stuff.
Yea they could but given the resource is clearly pointed at Sisters at the moment, the fact that they have outright admitted to have not started looking at new aspect warriors and the seeming inability to take half of the model creation team away from Marines of one flavour or another I wouldn't count on it.
This is it for Vigilus weekend news. There won't be another major reveal here.
robbienw wrote: That titan is super cool, cannot wait for the Adeptus Titanicus version!!
Primaris über fans and naysayers should be calm and chill out, this still doesn't herald the end of normal marines. Remember GW has stated new standard marines are still being created, plus there are regular marines all over the vigils video and in the artwork.
The 'Rubicon Primaris' upgrade thing cal gar has gone through may be a highly specialised process that can't be applied universally, more info is require before nay pronouncements are made!
To be fair, they haven't even hinted at a non-primaris space marine release since Dark Vengeance, so it's not an unreasonable conclusion to draw. Really, until we see another old marine release it's safer to err on the side of primaris only from now on.
We have seen old marine releases since primaris came out, series 1&2 of the space marine heroes. Not to mention several FW things. Or do those not count 'cause reasons'
You really think some Japanese blind packs mean the manlets are here to stay?
robbienw wrote: That titan is super cool, cannot wait for the Adeptus Titanicus version!!
Primaris über fans and naysayers should be calm and chill out, this still doesn't herald the end of normal marines. Remember GW has stated new standard marines are still being created, plus there are regular marines all over the vigils video and in the artwork.
The 'Rubicon Primaris' upgrade thing cal gar has gone through may be a highly specialised process that can't be applied universally, more info is require before nay pronouncements are made!
To be fair, they haven't even hinted at a non-primaris space marine release since Dark Vengeance, so it's not an unreasonable conclusion to draw. Really, until we see another old marine release it's safer to err on the side of primaris only from now on.
We have seen old marine releases since primaris came out, series 1&2 of the space marine heroes. Not to mention several FW things. Or do those not count 'cause reasons'
You really think some Japanese blind packs mean the manlets are here to stay?
That and Primaris don’t directly replicate any existing Marine units.
The reason we’re not seeing any new stuf for non-Primaris Marines is that barring the Bikes, that range is pretty modern, so don’t need replacing at the moment.
Well, that certainly answers a question. Primaris upgrades are definitely possible. The honour guard look great, and Calgar himself looks fine, even though I have to be honest that I slightly preferred his Terminator aesthetic (I'm sure we'll get some form of Primaris Terminator armour at some point).
The Chaos Lord looks a bit busy to me but ah well.
The GC bikers and buggies are ACE. I wonder if you'll be able to build GC snipers out of them too.
Rolsheen wrote: The only thing I don't like from the new models is Calgar's pose, stupid fist in the air.
I have to agree. The model as a whole is nice, but the pose is clearly a nod to his first model. Which is fine but I feel compared to the chaos guy it's a little lacking
Always a welcome idea. Space Marines are always at their best viewed through the lens of an ordinary human. Personally I found it hard to maintain interest in the Horus Heresy novels once they stopped having remembrancers as major characters.
I’m loving everything I’m seeing except for Calgar. I just don’t like the pose.
I am glad that crappy old marines seem to be disappearing though. Those die hard s who claim that marines are fine, it’s just that other human minis are too big, are ignoring what awful sculpts the old marines are. They look like humans designed by an alien sculptor who’s never actually seen a human and is working from the vaguest of descriptions. Primaris, on the other hand, actually look like somebody could fit into that armour.
Tyranid Horde wrote: What about a Primaris Calgar and his Primaris honour guard shoe horned into the Tyrannic War fluff? Is that in the realms of possibility?
I was making a joke and GW made it a reality
(Pg2...)
Rolsheen wrote: The only thing I don't like from the new models is Calgar's pose, stupid fist in the air.
I have to agree. The model as a whole is nice, but the pose is clearly a nod to his first model. Which is fine but I feel compared to the chaos guy it's a little lacking
Rolsheen wrote: The only thing I don't like from the new models is Calgar's pose, stupid fist in the air.
He is just recreating his original miniature's pose. I am fine with this since this means if they update other characters to be Primaris, they will likely keep their original poses (for Pedro Kantor, this is important for me).
Can I just say how incredibly disappointed I am in all of this?
Brand New Marneus Calgar! (The fourth version of him!) Oooh, ahhh.
And here's Generic Chaos Lord Bob Nobody for him to smush!
Had the opportunity to drop two bombs on us and show us a new Abaddon and make us all drop our jaws....but nope. Generic Chaos Lord Bob Nobody.
Oh but look, here's a video with loads of Raptors! - yay, useless assault troops with 1 attack base!
Bleh.
Well, now that we know how the campaign ends - haha Feth You Chaos - let's look at the other interesting things.
GSC Bikers - very nice. Slap in the face to IG players who have wanted human scale bikes forever when they realise the one unit that could use these are Index only. Sad days.
Daemons - I'm neutral. Bout time they got rid of the odd units that were still finecast and fugly but I really want to see more Slaanesh stuff. Getting a bit antsy here.
robbienw wrote: That titan is super cool, cannot wait for the Adeptus Titanicus version!!
Primaris über fans and naysayers should be calm and chill out, this still doesn't herald the end of normal marines. Remember GW has stated new standard marines are still being created, plus there are regular marines all over the vigils video and in the artwork.
The 'Rubicon Primaris' upgrade thing cal gar has gone through may be a highly specialised process that can't be applied universally, more info is require before nay pronouncements are made!
To be fair, they haven't even hinted at a non-primaris space marine release since Dark Vengeance, so it's not an unreasonable conclusion to draw. Really, until we see another old marine release it's safer to err on the side of primaris only from now on.
We have seen old marine releases since primaris came out, series 1&2 of the space marine heroes. Not to mention several FW things. Or do those not count 'cause reasons'
You really think some Japanese blind packs mean the manlets are here to stay?
Yes. You may not have noticed but they are not restricted to Japan anymore either, they have been released worldwide due to popular demand...
Just been talking to one of the guys that did the new "formations" book.
The book contains detachment "buffs" that you spend CP (i think only 1 but my interpretation of how he said things). You spend the cp on the different stratagems before the game to "buff" 1 detachment. All strats have different names so yoi could use it on more than 1 detachment. Each strat gives access to detachment bonuses like new strats. 1 example is the Stompa detachment that allows you to make 1 stompa a charatcher and give it a new wl trait and relics amongst "other things".
It doesn't sound like all the factions will have "formations" in this book. BUT this is numbered as "Book 1" on the spine, so we can expecy more soon.
At least 6 factions in it. Ad mech, Orks, Eldar, Marines, CSMs and i think GSC. Definite on the first 3 BUT the second 3 are off memory and i cant 100% remember
Hinted at December release.
Setup for "all forms of play".
Looking forward to see what they've done with the book, but also SUPER cautious about OP power creep that is almost 99% given. He did however say that they 100% learnt that free formations in 7th was a bad idea and they've learnt additional things.
Book was written over 12 months ago.
Automatically Appended Next Post: p.s. i didnt manage to get into ylthe Vigilus seminar due to the queue. Running 11 til 12. I opted to spent an extra 90 mims in bed rather than spend 90 mims standing in the cold.
Calgar doesn't do much for me, I'm indifferent to most of this stuff. The Raptor Lord looks quite nice, but not enough that I would want one given I don't have any CSM.
The thing that I would find most interesting in this whole release is a new FW Titan, and I think it's ugly. So I guess I'm safe from desiring one.
Kdash wrote: Just been talking to one of the guys that did the new "formations" book.
The book contains detachment "buffs" that you spend CP (i think only 1 but my interpretation of how he said things). You spend the cp on the different stratagems before the game to "buff" 1 detachment. All strats have different names so yoi could use it on more than 1 detachment. Each strat gives access to detachment bonuses like new strats. 1 example is the Stompa detachment that allows you to make 1 stompa a charatcher and give it a new wl trait and relics amongst "other things".
It doesn't sound like all the factions will have "formations" in this book. BUT this is numbered as "Book 1" on the spine, so we can expecy more soon.
At least 6 factions in it. Ad mech, Orks, Eldar, Marines, CSMs and i think GSC. Definite on the first 3 BUT the second 3 are off memory and i cant 100% remember
Hinted at December release.
Setup for "all forms of play".
Looking forward to see what they've done with the book, but also SUPER cautious about OP power creep that is almost 99% given. He did however say that they 100% learnt that free formations in 7th was a bad idea and they've learnt additional things.
Book was written over 12 months ago.
Automatically Appended Next Post: p.s. i didnt manage to get into ylthe Vigilus seminar due to the queue. Running 11 til 12. I opted to spent an extra 90 mims in bed rather than spend 90 mims standing in the cold.
Now this is interesting.
Detachments worry me because they helped break 7th.
Also if the book was written over 12 months ago they can't have used current data to balance it, which is....concerning.
We're discussing GSC things with CaptainBetts giving news directly from the seminar here: https://discord.gg/bkQBS2
No word yet on reward for mono
They know they don't get soup right yet.
Chapter Approved - don't want to change 40k rules every week etc
Most players aren't tournament players
Use missions to change base rules
Rob vrussace is a PhD physicist and loves msths
There are formulas for points
And some dependent on points themselves
Don't like the idea of way too many books for play (e.g. one page from a campaign book). Yes and no as to whether this will be the case. Depends on build.
Goal to make small book count armies at least fun and good game worthy
Mention GSC as an example actually
They plan stuff about a year ahead for box games etc.
The seminar person will be planning for next three right now
Miniatures guys a bit further
GSC codex
Astra Militarum data sheets
Some in there, things you can use last year can be used
Mentions manticore so not going allies wise
They have tried to make it so it doesn't need guard
Don't like smaller GSC detachment and then a fuckton of guard.
SoB should also be standalone good
Index options going away? Will stay.
Don't like the idea of options in codex you can't get
Vigilus is around for a while
cA2018 character customisation, don't know if in matched play
Tend to make open and narrative to scratch itch for platstyles
Can have a bit more creative and crazy content that way
Rogue trader exploring places in lore - continuing yes
Kill team has more stuff coming
Bellerophon wrote: The thing that I would find most interesting in this whole release is a new FW Titan, and I think it's ugly. So I guess I'm safe from desiring one.
What excites me most is that this will no doubt be released for AT too. I'm not dropping £1200+ on a model but ~£60 is ok.
Between yesterday's reveal video ("death is not the end of duty") and "we’ve got a couple more [reveals] up our sleeve for later today" I still think we could see a new Redemptor variant today.
Did not see those GSC bikes coming at all, they're a very nice surprise.
The BL character is neat, and is a nice preview of what to expect in the upcoming BL overhaul. Abaddon's model should be nice as long as the people who came up with the poses for the Primaris characters had no input whatsoever. I wonder if Chaos characters in general are going to get access to that power Lance and thunder hammers, or if they're strictly for the new named characters.
No word yet on reward for mono
They know they don't get soup right yet.
Chapter Approved - don't want to change 40k rules every week etc
Most players aren't tournament players
Use missions to change base rules
Rob vrussace is a PhD physicist and loves msths
There are formulas for points
And some dependent on points themselves
Don't like the idea of way too many books for play (e.g. one page from a campaign book). Yes and no as to whether this will be the case. Depends on build.
Goal to make small book count armies at least fun and good game worthy
Mention GSC as an example actually
They plan stuff about a year ahead for box games etc.
The seminar person will be planning for next three right now
Miniatures guys a bit further
GSC codex
Astra Militarum data sheets
Some in there, things you can use last year can be used
Mentions manticore so not going allies wise
They have tried to make it so it doesn't need guard
Don't like smaller GSC detachment and then a fuckton of guard.
SoB should also be standalone good
Index options going away? Will stay.
Don't like the idea of options in codex you can't get
Vigilus is around for a while
cA2018 character customisation, don't know if in matched play
Tend to make open and narrative to scratch itch for platstyles
Can have a bit more creative and crazy content that way
Rogue trader exploring places in lore - continuing yes
Kill team has more stuff coming
Quick, is there anything on the Militarum Tempestus?
This pleases me. I think Calgar looks awesome in Gravis armor and his Honor Guard look great as well. I'd buy him to convert but you just know the capes integral to the model so your stuck with it. Oh, well.
Raptor Chaos Lord:
Nope. He's just to busy looking and worse he's a marine-let. Having gone Primaris I can't go back to tiny marines. Hopefully, when Emperors Children finally do come out they'll have parts worth bits ordering; because if their manlets I won't buying entire kits, then.
Genestealer Cult:
The bikers look great and will fit in nicely with the existing line, very unexpected.
Daemons:
The Fiends, Flesh Hounds, and Karnak are all amazing sculpts worlds better that what came before. GW should be proud of those models. Although the Fiend heads would look better if they were more narrow like the Seeker mounts rather than being so wide. I may have to mod those heads.
Herald:
As much as I love Slaanesh I can't completely sign off on that Herald. She looks chunky compared to the other Daemonettes, just like the current resin Herald; and that head is well not to pretty. What is up with that braid its huge and out of scale like the one on the Callidus Assassin? It should be much thinner and smaller like the braids on the female Scourge models. Which is probably where I get a replacement braid, if I don't just swap the whole head. I'm also not sure about those extra long horns either. Also on her potential rules I hope she can be mounted on a chariot or that she has a large aura or board wide rules; because tat harp does not look mobile at all. She really should have been mounted on something. Still the concept is a winner for me. I really, hope that that harp is a captured Eldar. If not, I'm green-stuffing some knife ears on it and making in a bound Farseer. Now I just have to buy the Scribe model from Kingdom of Death for another body horror Herald.
tneva82 wrote: Well that explains why 40k points are so bad. They are actually stupid enough to use formula for points
Well, the alternative is points being plucked from the air on no basis but the author's opinion/bias. Using a formula provides a consistent baseline for ALL models. They can then playtest and vary the points from there.
Nope. He's just to busy looking and worse he's a marine-let. Having gone Primaris I can't go back to tiny marines. Hopefully, when Emperors Children finally do come out they'll have parts worth bits ordering; because if their manlets I won't buying entire kits, then.
And you know this, how? The new CSM from BF are almost as big as a Primaris. This guy could be scaled to them for all you know.
Don't we see him next to Primaris Calgar in the new video? The lord looks pretty big in that, sure the scale could be a bit wonky because of depth. But I imagine he's done to scale with the new BFCSM
Edit: You can look for yourselves 39 seconds into the video
robbienw wrote: That titan is super cool, cannot wait for the Adeptus Titanicus version!!
Primaris über fans and naysayers should be calm and chill out, this still doesn't herald the end of normal marines. Remember GW has stated new standard marines are still being created, plus there are regular marines all over the vigils video and in the artwork.
The 'Rubicon Primaris' upgrade thing cal gar has gone through may be a highly specialised process that can't be applied universally, more info is require before nay pronouncements are made!
To be fair, they haven't even hinted at a non-primaris space marine release since Dark Vengeance, so it's not an unreasonable conclusion to draw. Really, until we see another old marine release it's safer to err on the side of primaris only from now on.
We have seen old marine releases since primaris came out, series 1&2 of the space marine heroes. Not to mention several FW things. Or do those not count 'cause reasons'
You really think some Japanese blind packs mean the manlets are here to stay?
That and Primaris don’t directly replicate any existing Marine units.
The reason we’re not seeing any new stuf for non-Primaris Marines is that barring the Bikes, that range is pretty modern, so don’t need replacing at the moment.
They don't replace any existing marine units because that way you have to buy the new models to use the new rules.
The Calgar thing gives me hope they're going to revamp some other old 2E-era characters like Azreal. I've held off on buying any of those simply because they look out of place next to modern plastics, and I'm not a good enough painter to hide that.
tneva82 wrote: Well that explains why 40k points are so bad. They are actually stupid enough to use formula for points
Well, the alternative is points being plucked from the air on no basis but the author's opinion/bias. Using a formula provides a consistent baseline for ALL models. They can then playtest and vary the points from there.
GW could give away a free solid 24k gold model with every purchase, and tneva would complain it was too heavy. His only purpose here is to find things to criticise. It's not worth engaging him.
I do like that titan, kind of unusual but lots going on. Trying to work out how big it is, almost looks Warlord sized in some of those group shots though might be deceptive as it's on a raised plinth. Can anyone who's seen it in person clarify exactly how big it is?
Will definitely pick up some for AT when they get released and may be tempted by a full size one!
Also, notice there's a redesigned Volcano cannon for the Reaver, looks like it matches the one designed for the AT Reaver which is more like the Warlord version than the one you can currently buy, and a bit more detailed.
I'm not 100% sold on the titan yet. I mean, it looks cool and all but it looks to be Warlord scale which means it's big, expensive and heavy. I would have preferred a reaver or warhound scale titan to be honest.
With hindsight, I'd have rather my half brother been entombed within the hallowed sarcophagus of a Dreadnought, to forever stand as a bastion of might against the darkness of the galaxy, to exist as a shining example of unparalleled heroism and unending sacrifice.
Instead he's been turned into a Primaris Marine. *sigh*
But let us not focus on out-of-scale Space Marines (and their equally as out-of-scale soon-to-be-released Traitor counterparts-that-have-totally-always-been-this-big-you-just-didn't-realise-it-ok!!!), and the continued death of regular Marine miniatures (even the fething Honour Guard are Primaris Marines), and instead look towards more awesome things.
Like Kanarak, who is incredible. Or Harp Lady, who is disturbing. Or the Cult Outriders, which are fantastic (especially that ATV). Or the Cities of Death campaign card sleeve box thing, which is a nice idea. Or the Warbringer, with its teeny tiny adorable T-Rex arms. Or the Chaos Lord, whose name is literally 'Worldtaker'. Is that how it works with Chaos now? Your name is your job. "Vitrius Toiletcleaner, we've had an accident in Level 15, sub-sector 4. Get to it!!!""Right away, Commander Ordergiver!".
All much better than my Primaris Half Brother...
Arachnofiend wrote: I really hope the new Black Legion guy can be built as a generic Raptor Lord. Would be pretty rude to Night Lords fans to make an HQ that synergizes with their iconic unit and not let them use it.
It's a modern GW plastic character. More than that, it's a name character (The Mighty Skeleto... I mean Worldtaker!). You honestly think the kit will have options. Where have you been these past 2 years?
robbienw wrote: ... this still doesn't herald the end of normal marines.
They've created a fluff way for their existing characters to turn into Primaris Marines. The new Dante, Az, and whyone else they want to re-do will be a Primaris Marine.
Tavis75 wrote: I do like that titan, kind of unusual but lots going on. Trying to work out how big it is, almost looks Warlord sized in some of those group shots though might be deceptive as it's on a raised plinth. Can anyone who's seen it in person clarify exactly how big it is?
Will definitely pick up some for AT when they get released and may be tempted by a full size one!
Also, notice there's a redesigned Volcano cannon for the Reaver, looks like it matches the one designed for the AT Reaver which is more like the Warlord version than the one you can currently buy, and a bit more detailed.
They're classing it as a "Nemesis" Titan, which is a Warlord Pattern. Size-wise, it looks like it's built on the warlord legs and torso chassis, with different armour and a different mounting plate for the carapace (to hold that artillery piece.)
So, I'm thinking slightly taller than the FW warlord, because of the carapace weapon...
Damn, another one to add to the collection...also, interesting they mixed "Warbringer" into the name, as that's historically been a sub=pattern of the Emperor-class...
Or the Chaos Lord, whose name is literally 'Worldtaker'. Is that how it works with Chaos now? Your name is your job. "Vitrius Toiletcleaner, we've had an accident in Level 15, sub-sector 4. Get to it!!!""Right away, Commander Ordergiver!".
I found this very entertaining, and a good primer as I sit down to watch saturday morning cartoons on dailymotion.
Seriously, a full mouth of coffee all over my new laptop and table, worth it!
Nope. He's just to busy looking and worse he's a marine-let. Having gone Primaris I can't go back to tiny marines. Hopefully, when Emperors Children finally do come out they'll have parts worth bits ordering; because if their manlets I won't buying entire kits, then.
And you know this, how? The new CSM from BF are almost as big as a Primaris. This guy could be scaled to them for all you know.
Pic for reference
Its probably best to just ignore people that say manlet/marinelet at this point since they can't be bothered to research and find that the new chaos minis only stand like 2mm shorter than their precious Cawl Monkey Marines. Which makes perfect sense until Fabius designs his own Monkey Marines or GW decides that the warp gives them and their armor growth spurts on top of the normal mutations you see.
When the simply magnificent Cheat Commandos parodied 80's toy-selling cartoons (specifically GI Joe) to what can only be described as comedic gold perfection the leader's name was literally "Gunhaver", because, as you might imagine, he has guns.
Worldtaker.
Worldtaker!!!
Obsidius Mallus, the guy from Blackstone Fortress, whose name basically means Black Hammer in pseudo-Latin High Gothic, is 10x better than fething Worldtaker. It's almost Orky in its absurdity.
H.B.M.C. wrote: When the simply magnificent Cheat Commandos parodied 80's toy-selling cartoons (specifically GI Joe) to what can only be described as comedic gold perfection the leader's name was literally "Gunhaver", because, as you might imagine, he has guns.
Worldtaker.
Worldtaker!!!
Obsidius Mallus, the guy from Blackstone Fortress, whose name basically means Black Hammer in pseudo-Latin High Gothic, is 10x better than fething Worldtaker. It's almost Orky in its absurdity.
PiñaColada wrote: Don't we see him next to Primaris Calgar in the new video? The lord looks pretty big in that, sure the scale could be a bit wonky because of depth. But I imagine he's done to scale with the new BFCSM
Edit: You can look for yourselves 39 seconds into the video
They recycled one of the Skaven themes from Total War: Warhammer 2.
H.B.M.C. wrote: When the simply magnificent Cheat Commandos parodies 80's toy-selling cartoons (specifically GI Joe) to what can only be described as comedic gold the leader's name was literally "Gunhaver", because, as you might imagine, he has guns.
Worldtaker.
Worldtaker!!!
Obsidius Mallus, the guy from Blackstone Fortress, whose name basically means Black Hammer in pseudo-Latin High Gothic, is 10x better than fething Worldtaker. It's almost Orky in its absurdity.
Surprised that a herald named Haarken got a pass. It’s a Chaos Carol! Haarken the Herald Angel sings, this world we claim in 80...rings. Okay, fell apart at the end there but really the first name is equally doofy.
H.B.M.C. wrote: When the simply magnificent Cheat Commandos parodied 80's toy-selling cartoons (specifically GI Joe) to what can only be described as comedic gold perfection the leader's name was literally "Gunhaver", because, as you might imagine, he has guns.
Worldtaker.
Worldtaker!!!
Obsidius Mallus, the guy from Blackstone Fortress, whose name basically means Black Hammer in pseudo-Latin High Gothic, is 10x better than fething Worldtaker. It's almost Orky in its absurdity.
That name doesn't seem any more silly than, say, William the Conqueror (or Bastard :p ), or Eric the Red, or <insert culturally significant leader> the Great. People in the past had genuinely simple names- we still have them now, we just don't always know what they mean. My surname means "by the hedge". One of my ancestors would've been called something like Edgar by the hedge. I don't see a problem with Chaos Warlords adopting similar naming conventions based upon their deeds or roles.
H.B.M.C. wrote: With hindsight, I'd have rather my half brother been entombed within the hallowed sarcophagus of a Dreadnought, to forever stand as a bastion of might against the darkness of the galaxy, to exist as a shining example of unparalleled heroism and unending sacrifice.
Instead he's been turned into a Primaris Marine. *sigh*
But let us not focus on out-of-scale Space Marines (and their equally as out-of-scale soon-to-be-released Traitor counterparts-that-have-totally-always-been-this-big-you-just-didn't-realise-it-ok!!!), and the continued death of regular Marine miniatures (even the fething Honour Guard are Primaris Marines), and instead look towards more awesome things.
Like Kanarak, who is incredible.
Or Harp Lady, who is disturbing.
Or the Cult Outriders, which are fantastic (especially that ATV).
Or the Cities of Death campaign card sleeve box thing, which is a nice idea.
Or the Warbringer, with its teeny tiny adorable T-Rex arms.
Or the Chaos Lord, whose name is literally 'Worldtaker'. Is that how it works with Chaos now? Your name is your job. "Vitrius Toiletcleaner, we've had an accident in Level 15, sub-sector 4. Get to it!!!""Right away, Commander Ordergiver!".
All much better than my Primaris Half Brother...
Arachnofiend wrote: I really hope the new Black Legion guy can be built as a generic Raptor Lord. Would be pretty rude to Night Lords fans to make an HQ that synergizes with their iconic unit and not let them use it.
It's a modern GW plastic character. More than that, it's a name character (The Mighty Skeleto... I mean Worldtaker!). You honestly think the kit will have options. Where have you been these past 2 years?
robbienw wrote: ... this still doesn't herald the end of normal marines.
They've created a fluff way for their existing characters to turn into Primaris Marines. The new Dante, Az, and whyone else they want to re-do will be a Primaris Marine.
Normal Marines will never see another release.
It’s does, but you have no details on the process yet, from the calgar video it sounds like it may be difficult. it may be just an excuse to upgrade some famous characters.
I’m certain there will be regular marine releases in future, just like there was this year and last.
Oh, and blindbox minis made for the Japenese market that were out ages ago but are now suddenly available everywhere in now way constitutes a "regular" Marine release.
What I like about primaris is that they are devoid of ridiculous bling… Calgar has so much crapola on top that we cannot even see the gravis, a major pass for me. Keep it simple please!
Yes, we thought that Slaanesh would go the way of the Squats.
Little did we know that this was all subterfuge to keep us distracted whilst they very slowly made regular Marines less and less prominent, until all marines are Primaris Marines. Next step is just making Primaris Marines into just Marines, with no specific distinction.