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New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 16:34:23


Post by: Chikout


Warhammer community just released a video previewing the next white dwarf. If you watch the video carefully you can see it has rules for AOS skirmish, kroot killteams and a index Astartes about crimson fists including what looks like some new rules. I took a couple of screeenshots. The video moves very fast so they are blurry.

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New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 16:42:44


Post by: Lord Perversor


Yes the Crimson fist comes with 3x specific warlord traits, strategems and relics and i guess some chapter tactics.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 17:22:06


Post by: Phobosftw


Omgomg this is so cool! Specially loving Dat crimson fist rules, looks like 2019 is going to be even awesomer than last year for 8th!

Wait, does this mean I'm going to have to carry around even more books to play ?!
#*#$#*#!
Nooo!


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 17:24:32


Post by: aracersss


Vostroyan back for made to order after the 25th


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 17:38:23


Post by: alphaecho


It appears the Crimson Fists are the first of the new Index Astartes articles promised in the December issue preview pages then?

As a subscriber I'm also looking forward to the plain covers. SFX magazine does the same for subscribers.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 17:46:39


Post by: Overread


The plain covers look like they could be very neat; a simple thing for GW to offer and yet really nice for subscribers and I bet it wil net them a few more


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 18:08:33


Post by: Tiberius501


I can't make out a single thing on that Kroot Kill Teams page, but I assume it's not gunna be new models and will just be tactics and rules. Still cool though. Anyone have any idea what those tactics say?


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 19:33:21


Post by: callidusx3


Certainly one can make out the three unit options: Carnivores, Hounds and Krootox Riders (hopefully w/ the krootox!).


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 19:41:54


Post by: Aeneades


Blackstone Fortress came with a character leader as well so a few options at least.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 19:54:52


Post by: Morgasm the Powerfull


I wonder if they'll dust off the old Anghkor Prok mold for this, since while it's old, so are the other kroot molds too and all the kroot stuff's webstore exclusive anyway.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 21:37:21


Post by: casvalremdeikun


Well, I am definitely up for more options for my Crimson Fists. More Warlord Traits will be good, since their current one is trash.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 22:03:45


Post by: Not-not-kenny


Who wants to bet Sam Pearson (Bottle) has had a hand in writing the new AOS Skrimish rules?


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 22:05:46


Post by: Asherian Command


alphaecho wrote:
It appears the Crimson Fists are the first of the new Index Astartes articles promised in the December issue preview pages then?

As a subscriber I'm also looking forward to the plain covers. SFX magazine does the same for subscribers.


I wonder what they will give us


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 22:08:18


Post by: amazingturtles


I am very much in favor of kroot kill teams, apart from being baffled that they weren't included in the first place.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 22:12:27


Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Asherian Command wrote:
alphaecho wrote:
It appears the Crimson Fists are the first of the new Index Astartes articles promised in the December issue preview pages then?

As a subscriber I'm also looking forward to the plain covers. SFX magazine does the same for subscribers.


I wonder what they will give us
Hopefully stuff that is both fluffy and strong (not broken, strong.). A better Warlord Trait for Pedro would be nice too(he had Iron Resolve in 7e, which fit him much better than his current one). And hopefully nothing that has to do with damaging buildings. A reworked Bolter Drill (one that doesn't generate extra shots, but extra hits) would be a great place to start.

All I know is that I have been hard at work building my Primaris Crimson Fists (I am down to just Pedro, a squad of Tartaros Terminators, and some Devastators for regular Marines), so hopefully the content is usable for them.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 23:57:06


Post by: Kirasu


Awesome, more rules in random places. They just said they didn't want 8th to turn into the disaster 8th was.

They just released chapter approved, lol..


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/23 23:58:50


Post by: Samko


I like the kroot kill team because it means we may get SoB kill team in a future issue.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 00:10:54


Post by: H.B.M.C.


A new WD huh? Heard that before...

And collector covers as well? It's the 90's all over again!


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 00:14:41


Post by: Luciferian


Samko wrote:
I like the kroot kill team because it means we may get SoB kill team in a future issue.

SoB will undoubtedly get rules at the moment the new plastic kits are released. So soon, meaning sometime in the next year. I imagine that they'll just release the rules online as well since it's such a big faction.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 00:27:02


Post by: Samko


 Luciferian wrote:
Samko wrote:
I like the kroot kill team because it means we may get SoB kill team in a future issue.

SoB will undoubtedly get rules at the moment the new plastic kits are released. So soon, meaning sometime in the next year. I imagine that they'll just release the rules online as well since it's such a big faction.
Well I meant before the new models, same as we got an early beta codex in the CA before the true release.
I think that most probably it will be published first in white dwarf, then the FAQed rules will be released in pdf so people can complain about having been forced to buy the WD for content that's now free, and then it will be included in the kill team 2019 compendium so that people can complain about being force to buy again content they already bought.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 00:28:58


Post by: thekingofkings


 Not-not-kenny wrote:
Who wants to bet Sam Pearson (Bottle) has had a hand in writing the new AOS Skrimish rules?


I hope so!


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 03:38:57


Post by: privateer4hire


Samko wrote:
 Luciferian wrote:
Samko wrote:
I like the kroot kill team because it means we may get SoB kill team in a future issue.

SoB will undoubtedly get rules at the moment the new plastic kits are released. So soon, meaning sometime in the next year. I imagine that they'll just release the rules online as well since it's such a big faction.
Well I meant before the new models, same as we got an early beta codex in the CA before the true release.
I think that most probably it will be published first in white dwarf, then the FAQed rules will be released in pdf so people can complain about having been forced to buy the WD for content that's now free, and then it will be included in the kill team 2019 compendium so that people can complain about being force to buy again content they already bought.


Yeah. People are so entitled nowadays.

Our local Crimson Fists player will likely be very excited.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 06:24:17


Post by: DanielFM


So Crimson Fists get the good Specialist battalion, then mini codex, and Imperial Fists get a useless Specialist battalion and gets to keep the boring Chapter Trait and relic.
Does it makes sense to you? Imperial Fists are the First Founding chapter, they should be pushed more.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 08:18:46


Post by: Elbows


Crimson Fists may not be first founding, but they predate the importance of Imperial Fists a long ways. They were one of the first Space Marine chapters heavily featured in art, etc. The now-famous artwork of the RT book, etc.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 08:44:28


Post by: GoatboyBeta


 Kirasu wrote:
Awesome, more rules in random places. They just said they didn't want 8th to turn into the disaster 8th was.

They just released chapter approved, lol..


The problem for GW is balancing the desire to keep rules together in there respective books and putting content in WD that makes people want to buy it. That said I would not be shocked to see the these rules show up in dedicated books for there respective systems in the future. If not, or until then its a problem that's easily solved with a steady hand and a device with a decent camera


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 08:47:15


Post by: NAVARRO


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
A new WD huh? Heard that before...

And collector covers as well? It's the 90's all over again!


Aye!

From WD to - Visions & Weekly panflet to - new WD and now the - new WD

Well the White Dwarf does look like a small version of santa so just in time… for halloween I want the Black gobbo please.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 11:20:02


Post by: NoggintheNog


I'm still baffled at the removal of the digital option and going print only.

Its the opposite of the entire industry, and as much as I would find value in the magazine most months, especially with rules, I don't want to find space to store them all.

Digital is perfect for rules add-ons because its with you without carrying a dozen extra books or magazines.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 11:26:18


Post by: JohnnyHell


Dakka: “I want support and rules supplements in White Dwarf.”
Also Dakka: “GAWD now I have to carry more stuff.”



New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 12:02:26


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 JohnnyHell wrote:
Dakka: “I want support and rules supplements in White Dwarf.”
Also Dakka: “GAWD now I have to carry more stuff.”
Which wouldn't be a problem if they were digital, and I suspect you knew that before you posted.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 12:54:38


Post by: Irbis


 DanielFM wrote:
Does it makes sense to you? Imperial Fists are the First Founding chapter, they should be pushed more.

Not anymore, they aren't. In fact, you can argue they are now fourth founding Chapter



New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 13:41:07


Post by: Platuan4th


 Phobosftw wrote:
Omgomg this is so cool! Specially loving Dat crimson fist rules, looks like 2019 is going to be even awesomer than last year for 8th!

Wait, does this mean I'm going to have to carry around even more books to play ?!
#*#$#*#!
Nooo!


It's 3rd Ed all over again.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
ValentineGames wrote:

People didn't bitch before digital was a thing.


Yes, they did. The amount of books people had to carry was a huge complaint in 3rd Ed.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 13:46:50


Post by: Crimson


The move away from digital is probably due the piratism. People were uploading the full digital copies minutes after the release.

Having rule content is good. But of course as with every release, we have the usual: why it was <this thing> and not <my thing>? Waah! But assuming that these rule articles are a permanent feature, I'd expect to see additional rule content to many different factions. I hope they make some compendium of this stuff in the end of the year though; if there is not terribly much of it, they could put it in the CA.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 13:56:37


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Could also be digital sales not being enough to justify the process.

Me? I do like ebooks, but for gaming, I find proper books more convenient. Just easier to flip between pages, YMMV of course.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 14:05:13


Post by: Geifer


 Platuan4th wrote:
ValentineGames wrote:

People didn't bitch before digital was a thing.


Yes, they did. The amount of books people had to carry was a huge complaint in 3rd Ed.


Preach it! At least 3rd ed was a decent game that made it worthwhile putting up with the scattered rules.

Regardless of that, it's just not good for the game even if you think well of 8th ed. Saturday's big Christmas game at my local store saw a good deal of arguing about what the current rules are. Scattered rules and constant changes help no one.

 Crimson wrote:
The move away from digital is probably due the piratism. People were uploading the full digital copies minutes after the release.


Yeah. Now they'll be stuck with photos and scans of the physical magazine. How will those dastardly pirates ever cope!


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 14:08:52


Post by: Crimson


 Geifer wrote:

Yeah. Now they'll be stuck with photos and scans of the physical magazine. How will those dastardly pirates ever cope!

Scanning and arranging a full magazine into a PDF takes some work, much more than just uploading a epub. It's not gonna necessarily happen at all and it will not happen instantly. If you want the full contents RIGHT NOW, there is a higher change you need to actually buy the magazine.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 14:10:39


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


but that sort of pirating is a hassle so is done by far fewer folk which means fewer floating about online.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 14:28:20


Post by: JWBS


 Elbows wrote:
Crimson Fists may not be first founding, but they predate the importance of Imperial Fists a long ways. They were one of the first Space Marine chapters heavily featured in art, etc. The now-famous artwork of the RT book, etc.


And IF are yellow. I quite like the look, but who wants to paint yellow? (unless yellow paint has drastically improved, which may well be the case. I much prefer the newer reds to the old ones, so I suppose new yellows could be the same in terms of ease of use).


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 14:30:37


Post by: Crimson


JWBS wrote:

And IF are yellow. I quite like the look, but who wants to paint yellow? (unless yellow paint has drastically improved, which may well be the case. I much prefer the newer reds to the old ones, so I suppose new yellows could be the same in terms of ease of use).

Painting yellow has not been hard for a long time. At least if people are sensible and use white undercoat instead of black.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 14:33:29


Post by: Legiocustodes


 DanielFM wrote:
So Crimson Fists get the good Specialist battalion, then mini codex, and Imperial Fists get a useless Specialist battalion and gets to keep the boring Chapter Trait and relic.
Does it makes sense to you? Imperial Fists are the First Founding chapter, they should be pushed more.


Sorry what....!? Why should first founding chapters always get the love; at the end of the day they are both completely made up armies developed by GW.

Besides as someone else said; Crimson Fists were the first major chapter in the setting. They featured in the first two proper scenarios (Battle at the Farm and Jade Berry Hill) and have appeared on the covers of first edition 40k and the third edition Space Marine Codex. So overall I’m quite happy this classic chapter is getting the love and attention it deserves!!


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 14:41:18


Post by: Geifer


 Crimson wrote:
 Geifer wrote:

Yeah. Now they'll be stuck with photos and scans of the physical magazine. How will those dastardly pirates ever cope!

Scanning and arranging a full magazine into a PDF takes some work, much more than just uploading a epub. It's not gonna necessarily happen at all and it will not happen instantly. If you want the full contents RIGHT NOW, there is a higher change you need to actually buy the magazine.


Doesn't strike me as the way piracy is approached by the people I've seen with pirated rules. They exclusively brought with the the actual rules they needed to play. My question is, do you really think there is much demand for the filler and not just the rules content? In my opinion WD hasn't been good since the Internet has widely established itself. Why would someone go to the trouble of scanning the entire magazine if what I assume is the vast majority of people only wants the rules?

JWBS wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
Crimson Fists may not be first founding, but they predate the importance of Imperial Fists a long ways. They were one of the first Space Marine chapters heavily featured in art, etc. The now-famous artwork of the RT book, etc.


And IF are yellow. I quite like the look, but who wants to paint yellow? (unless yellow paint has drastically improved, which may well be the case. I much prefer the newer reds to the old ones, so I suppose new yellows could be the same in terms of ease of use).


I have a half painted Imperial Fist on my desk right now and my experience with Yriel Yellow has been no better than with Golden Yellow. I wouldn't count on people rushing to paint Imperial Fists anytime soon.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 14:41:40


Post by: Yodhrin


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
but that sort of pirating is a hassle so is done by far fewer folk which means fewer floating about online.


Not really. Firstly, because the nature of file sharing means it only takes one person to share the file - the idea that less people will be willing to go to the effort of scanning a physical copy than just posting an existing digital one is incontestable, but the idea that nobody will be willing to go to that effort is unlikely. Secondly, it's even further unlikely due to the contrarian streak among pirates - if you make your product harder to digitise, and especially if you do so explicitly with the goal of thwarting file sharing, some people will go to extra effort to ensure it still gets shared just to make sure that your effort was wasted.

Further, the idea that a meaningful number of people who were previously pirating whole copies of WD Digital are now going to go out and buy physical copies at full price when the rules content and most of the significant article content will still end up floating about online anyway(because people still have phone cameras, and scanning a couple of pages is hardly a Herculean effort) is just nonsense.

If piracy was a significant factor in GW's thinking over cancelling WD Digital, they've still got a fair ways to go about understanding how the internet works despite their recent progress on social media. If they were motivated by something rational, however, I'd say it's probably a simple matter of cost-cutting; the number of people who would be annoyed enough to reduce their spending by losing access to a digital WD now that the Community site exists is probably low enough that no longer having to pay for someone to prep the epub and for hosting still leaves them ahead.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 14:42:36


Post by: MarkNorfolk


 Legiocustodes wrote:
 DanielFM wrote:
So Crimson Fists get the good Specialist battalion, then mini codex, and Imperial Fists get a useless Specialist battalion and gets to keep the boring Chapter Trait and relic.
Does it makes sense to you? Imperial Fists are the First Founding chapter, they should be pushed more.


Sorry what....!? Why should first founding chapters always get the love; at the end of the day they are both completely made up armies developed by GW.

Besides as someone else said; Crimson Fists were the first major chapter in the setting. They featured in the first two proper scenarios (Battle at the Farm and Jade Berry Hill) and have appeared on the covers of first edition 40k and the third edition Space Marine Codex. So overall I’m quite happy this classic chapter is getting the love and attention it deserves!!


Absolutely agree. They're not 'First Founding'. They're not 'Chapter Number One', but they're the First space marine chapter.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 14:53:28


Post by: Crimson


 Geifer wrote:


Doesn't strike me as the way piracy is approached by the people I've seen with pirated rules. They exclusively brought with the the actual rules they needed to play. My question is, do you really think there is much demand for the filler and not just the rules content? In my opinion WD hasn't been good since the Internet has widely established itself. Why would someone go to the trouble of scanning the entire magazine if what I assume is the vast majority of people only wants the rules?

Sure. people will still pirate the rules, but I don't think that's the only thing what the majority of the people want, they want the whole magazine. With the digital it was literally the choice between downloading the whole thing for free, paying money for that download you could get for free, or going to the store to buy the physical copy of the thing you could have gotten for free.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 14:59:14


Post by: Voss


 Crimson wrote:
JWBS wrote:

And IF are yellow. I quite like the look, but who wants to paint yellow? (unless yellow paint has drastically improved, which may well be the case. I much prefer the newer reds to the old ones, so I suppose new yellows could be the same in terms of ease of use).

Painting yellow has not been hard for a long time. At least if people are sensible and use white undercoat instead of black.

Yes. Flat, splotchy mustard smeared over untoasted bread looks aces.

Most of the painting horrors I've seen start with a white undercoat.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 15:02:58


Post by: JohnnyHell


ValentineGames wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
Dakka: “I want support and rules supplements in White Dwarf.”
Also Dakka: “GAWD now I have to carry more stuff.”
Which wouldn't be a problem if they were digital, and I suspect you knew that before you posted.

People didn't bitch before digital was a thing.
You just photocopy the page and shut up.

So my advice is stop bitching about not being digital. Photocopy the page and shut up.


A lot of folk will just download a photo someone else took anyway, let’s be honest. And if enough folk ask nicely enough once WD is out of print they’ll throw it up as a PDF on WHC.

(My earlier post was clearly tongue in cheek, HBMC, no need to lash out. Just to fully jokesplain, some folk would see rules in WD as a problem regardless of format as it increases the volume of valid rules sources and props up their GW is incompetent narrative. Which isn’t as brief or as funny as filthy snark, so I went with the latter.)


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 15:07:51


Post by: Crimson


Voss wrote:

Yes. Flat, splotchy mustard smeared over untoasted bread looks aces.

Most of the painting horrors I've seen start with a white undercoat.

Trying to paint light colour over dark undercoat is just madness. You can do it, GW's base paints have pretty good coverage these days, but it completely unnecessary and can easily result very thick layers of paint. White allows thin layers to be applied in a glaze like manner. And speaking of glazes, I can recommend Lamenter's Yellow glaze to everyone who has trouble with yellow.


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Post by: JohnnyHell


 Yodhrin wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
but that sort of pirating is a hassle so is done by far fewer folk which means fewer floating about online.


Not really. Firstly, because the nature of file sharing means it only takes one person to share the file - the idea that less people will be willing to go to the effort of scanning a physical copy than just posting an existing digital one is incontestable, but the idea that nobody will be willing to go to that effort is unlikely. Secondly, it's even further unlikely due to the contrarian streak among pirates - if you make your product harder to digitise, and especially if you do so explicitly with the goal of thwarting file sharing, some people will go to extra effort to ensure it still gets shared just to make sure that your effort was wasted.

Further, the idea that a meaningful number of people who were previously pirating whole copies of WD Digital are now going to go out and buy physical copies at full price when the rules content and most of the significant article content will still end up floating about online anyway(because people still have phone cameras, and scanning a couple of pages is hardly a Herculean effort) is just nonsense.

If piracy was a significant factor in GW's thinking over cancelling WD Digital, they've still got a fair ways to go about understanding how the internet works despite their recent progress on social media. If they were motivated by something rational, however, I'd say it's probably a simple matter of cost-cutting; the number of people who would be annoyed enough to reduce their spending by losing access to a digital WD now that the Community site exists is probably low enough that no longer having to pay for someone to prep the epub and for hosting still leaves them ahead.


I always just took it that they had relatively low digital purchaser numbers, so the hassle of reformatting and Apple taking a 30% cut wasn’t worth it.


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Post by: Trickstick


I was liking the post I saw until it got to the inclusion of rules. Unless they have come up with a way to avoid the time-limited nature of a magazine, I can see it being a problem. What if I start a Crimson Fist force in 8 months time? Will there be back issues available? Do I have to wait for some sort of compilation? Then you have the problem of vastly increasing the number of publications that include rules.

Will have to wait and see, but my heart did sink a little seeing that rules were included. The rest of it looked interesting.


New white dwarf featuring kroot killteams, crimson fist codex supplement and rules for AOS skirmish. @ 2018/12/24 17:52:59


Post by: spiralingcadaver


 Trickstick wrote:
What if I start a Crimson Fist force in 8 months time? Will there be back issues available? Do I have to wait for some sort of compilation?
Almost certainly, yeah, wait for the chapter approved. There was a while where they were mostly "best of WD," back when they were putting out a ton of rules. Depending, they could easily resurrect the Index Astartes-style rules compilations/codex supplements.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


New Chapter Tactics. Interesting. I wonder how they will be different from the Imperial Fists Chapter Tactics. Hopefully they have nothing to do with destroying buildings, but Ignore Cover was pretty decent.

I can't wait for my copy!


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Post by: Slayer-Fan123


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
Dakka: “I want support and rules supplements in White Dwarf.”
Also Dakka: “GAWD now I have to carry more stuff.”
Which wouldn't be a problem if they were digital, and I suspect you knew that before you posted.

I mean this isn't an entire book you gotta carry around. Just tear out the one page and you're done.

Johnny is right in this particular scenario.


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Post by: Trickstick


Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
Dakka: “I want support and rules supplements in White Dwarf.”
Also Dakka: “GAWD now I have to carry more stuff.”
Which wouldn't be a problem if they were digital, and I suspect you knew that before you posted.

I mean this isn't an entire book you gotta carry around. Just tear out the one page and you're done.

Johnny is right in this particular scenario.


Heretic! Photocopier, maybe, but to rip pages out of something is insanity!


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Post by: Kirasu


 Crimson wrote:
The move away from digital is probably due the piratism. People were uploading the full digital copies minutes after the release.

Having rule content is good. But of course as with every release, we have the usual: why it was <this thing> and not <my thing>? Waah! But assuming that these rule articles are a permanent feature, I'd expect to see additional rule content to many different factions. I hope they make some compendium of this stuff in the end of the year though; if there is not terribly much of it, they could put it in the CA.


Instead of fighting the losing battle against the dreaded pirate they could do what almost every other miniature company is doing... producing rules for free. It's been proven that players buy content that has longer lasting value (IE campaign books) but throwing tons of random rules into the game is what ruined 7th ed.

It's fairly dumb they are returning to the failures of 7th while not realizing that people would buy MORE models if the rules were better written and cheaper.


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Post by: callidusx3


 Trickstick wrote:
Heretic! Photocopier, maybe, but to rip pages out of something is insanity!


Heretic am I! I trimmed my WD collection from the '99-'04 to less than a tenth of it size by ripping apart each issue and keeping only the articles of interest (I have a nice Index Astartes booklet for my trouble).


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Post by: drbored


I'll get the White Dwarf, unbind it, parse out the different rule pages, put the Kill Team rules in my Kill Team binder and the 40k rules in my 40k binder and the AoS rules in my AoS binder, and I'll just keep doing that so that I only have one thing to bring with me when I need it: the appropriate binder for the game I want to play.

It takes almost no effort. Scissors and a hole puncher.


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Post by: Kirasu


drbored wrote:
I'll get the White Dwarf, unbind it, parse out the different rule pages, put the Kill Team rules in my Kill Team binder and the 40k rules in my 40k binder and the AoS rules in my AoS binder, and I'll just keep doing that so that I only have one thing to bring with me when I need it: the appropriate binder for the game I want to play.

It takes almost no effort. Scissors and a hole puncher.


Scissors...and a ...hole puncher (no glue stick?). That fact that you think that is normal in 2018 is comical :p GW seriously needs to promote a better option!


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Post by: Samko


 Kirasu wrote:
drbored wrote:
I'll get the White Dwarf, unbind it, parse out the different rule pages, put the Kill Team rules in my Kill Team binder and the 40k rules in my 40k binder and the AoS rules in my AoS binder, and I'll just keep doing that so that I only have one thing to bring with me when I need it: the appropriate binder for the game I want to play.

It takes almost no effort. Scissors and a hole puncher.


Scissors...and a ...hole puncher (no glue stick?). That fact that you think that is normal in 2018 is comical :p GW seriously needs to promote a better option!
Yes, when will GW at last release their offical Holes Punching Tool™ shaped like a power fist so that we no longer need to rely on 3rd party tool ?


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Post by: Kirasu


Samko wrote:
 Kirasu wrote:
drbored wrote:
I'll get the White Dwarf, unbind it, parse out the different rule pages, put the Kill Team rules in my Kill Team binder and the 40k rules in my 40k binder and the AoS rules in my AoS binder, and I'll just keep doing that so that I only have one thing to bring with me when I need it: the appropriate binder for the game I want to play.

It takes almost no effort. Scissors and a hole puncher.


Scissors...and a ...hole puncher (no glue stick?). That fact that you think that is normal in 2018 is comical :p GW seriously needs to promote a better option!
Yes, when will GW at last release their offical Holes Punching Tool™ shaped like a power fist so that we no longer need to rely on 3rd party tool ?


$49.99 (175$ AUS)


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Post by: Tiberius501


 Kirasu wrote:
Samko wrote:
 Kirasu wrote:
drbored wrote:
I'll get the White Dwarf, unbind it, parse out the different rule pages, put the Kill Team rules in my Kill Team binder and the 40k rules in my 40k binder and the AoS rules in my AoS binder, and I'll just keep doing that so that I only have one thing to bring with me when I need it: the appropriate binder for the game I want to play.

It takes almost no effort. Scissors and a hole puncher.


Scissors...and a ...hole puncher (no glue stick?). That fact that you think that is normal in 2018 is comical :p GW seriously needs to promote a better option!
Yes, when will GW at last release their offical Holes Punching Tool™ shaped like a power fist so that we no longer need to rely on 3rd party tool ?


$49.99 (175$ AUS)


I'd buy that.


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Post by: BlaxicanX


 Crimson wrote:
 Geifer wrote:

Yeah. Now they'll be stuck with photos and scans of the physical magazine. How will those dastardly pirates ever cope!

Scanning and arranging a full magazine into a PDF takes some work, much more than just uploading a epub. It's not gonna necessarily happen at all and it will not happen instantly.
What are you talking about? I got my hands on a free PDF of Chapter Approved, with bookmarks, a DAY after it was released. Same with orks, and every other 8th edition ruleset (though I have also paid for the rule books that are relevant to the armies I play, purely for the sake of supporting the company).

There is no rational argument you can make for physical books being more difficult to pirate then digital ones. This isn't 2003.

So in that regard, they really should just bite the bullet and make digital, living documents of this stuff. Paying customers are the ones who suffer when their codex needs 8 different documents to be playable with the most up to date rules.


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Post by: Danny76


 Kirasu wrote:
drbored wrote:
I'll get the White Dwarf, unbind it, parse out the different rule pages, put the Kill Team rules in my Kill Team binder and the 40k rules in my 40k binder and the AoS rules in my AoS binder, and I'll just keep doing that so that I only have one thing to bring with me when I need it: the appropriate binder for the game I want to play.

It takes almost no effort. Scissors and a hole puncher.


Scissors...and a ...hole puncher (no glue stick?). That fact that you think that is normal in 2018 is comical :p GW seriously needs to promote a better option!
.

I mean, a lot of people print off stuff and binder it for ease, so I don’t see why that’s a big surprise to cut rather than print, as after that it’s the same thing..

Unless your aim was just to create the comedy string of post about GW licensed products


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Post by: Crimson


 BlaxicanX wrote:
What are you talking about? I got my hands on a free PDF of Chapter Approved, with bookmarks, a DAY after it was released.

But those had digital releases so they probably were not scanned.


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Post by: Wayniac


While cool, I don't like them adding yet more rules bloat. And the constant sticking with print is still odd as others have said. GW seems dead set on continuing an old trend than moving to the future.


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Post by: drbored


Wayniac wrote:
While cool, I don't like them adding yet more rules bloat. And the constant sticking with print is still odd as others have said. GW seems dead set on continuing an old trend than moving to the future.


They wouldn't be expanding the White Dwarf if it wasn't making them money. There are still plenty of people buying it, and now that they're adding more rules bloat, even more people will be inclined to buy it for those rules.


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Post by: Kirasu


Sure that makes sense if you ignore the other 4 times in the last few years they've tried to the same thing, or how print media is dying all over the world...but white dwarf, oh no it's a great decision to stick with the plans of 15 years ago!

Selling rules in white dwarf is a bad move and is why 7th got so insane.


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Post by: Davor


*edit* formatting smuched up. oops.


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Post by: Overread


Thing is White Dwarf pretty much has the sci-fi and fantasy market of the highstreet model shelf to itself*. It also has a super long legacy so its likely got more than enough customers to make it a profitable venture for GW. Plus because its an ownbrand mangazine is has the distinct bonus that the GW engine can keep it supported.

A lot of other hobby magazines have no company connection and many have lost readers over they years not just because of the internet, but because they often became little more than advertising documents. I've picked up some where over half the content is just advertisements. That fast makes me lose interest in buying more when I feel that all I'm doing is paying for advertisements.

Sure it is odd that GW closed down their digital service for WD; but at the same time the core product must be doing well for them.


*especially now that PP has withdrawn their own magazine from the shelves


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Post by: Gimgamgoo


 Overread wrote:

A lot of other hobby magazines have no company connection and many have lost readers over they years not just because of the internet, but because they often became little more than advertising documents. I've picked up some where over half the content is just advertisements. That fast makes me lose interest in buying more when I feel that all I'm doing is paying for advertisements.


But... White Dwarf.... one giant 100% advertisement... etc...
Sorry, cba to even make a fitting sentence about this.

Adding rules to WD ensures people pay for their hard work twice. Once for the WD, then again for the reprinted compilation.


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Post by: Overread


WD is more than just advertising content, its not just a big picture of a model and nothing else. Yes many articles will be repeats for experienced fans (its darn hard to find magazines that don't suffer from this to be honest); though it seems that GW is boosting content and attempting to resolve this issue for long term fans too.



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Post by: Voss


'One giant picture' is a rather limited description of advertising.

WD is just a compilation of material that pushes other products. In that sense it is 100% advertising.


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Post by: the_scotsman


 Kirasu wrote:
Awesome, more rules in random places. They just said they didn't want 8th to turn into the disaster 8th was.

They just released chapter approved, lol..


Oh man, if you're salty about Games Workshop putting out small amounts of bonus rules content in white dwarf, you're a tiiiny bit late with that complaint lol. Like a couple decades.


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Post by: fresus


I also find that Warhammer community steps on WD's toes quite a bit. It makes sense that WarCo gives the latest news about upcoming stuff, since the web is a much better medium for that.
But they also feature many articles about cool armies, or ways to play the game. For instance the Arbitrator's guidebook is material that would have been perfect in WD. So is the Regimental's standard, or the focus on people armies.
Getting more exposure online is imho much more important than selling WDs, because you can attract new players, while WD is mostly sold to longterm fans/clients, so overall it's probably smart from them. But it means that a lot of good content that could have been in WD is actually published online.


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Post by: DarknessEternal


I really don't want to own years worth of paper magazines. They take up a non-trivial amount of space forever.


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Post by: Nah Man Pichu


My buddy had his killteam rulebook converted into a spiral bound book at kinko's. Cost him less than 5 bucks. Rinse and repeat for updated CA's etc. Maybe a separate binder for White Dwarf pages seeing how they're more frail. But it costs next to nothing to have literally all relevant content in one "book". Codex, rulebook, expanded content book spiralbound. Bam done.

I know it's "effort" but GW's making good business decisions for themselves, and it takes minimal time and energy for us as consumers to work around them. My 2 cents.


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Post by: Trickstick


I have considered having my hardback rules rebound. Do they still have a proper tiny rule book available, like the 5th edition miniature one? That was a great little book.


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Post by: Kirasu


 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
My buddy had his killteam rulebook converted into a spiral bound book at kinko's. Cost him less than 5 bucks. Rinse and repeat for updated CA's etc. Maybe a separate binder for White Dwarf pages seeing how they're more frail. But it costs next to nothing to have literally all relevant content in one "book". Codex, rulebook, expanded content book spiralbound. Bam done.

I know it's "effort" but GW's making good business decisions for themselves, and it takes minimal time and energy for us as consumers to work around them. My 2 cents.


You don't count the cost of buying every single book, WD, supplement a cost? That's not accurate. The point is not wether or not you can put your middle school crafts knowledge to use, it's why? Why can't GW stick to a digital strategy and grow the hobby in a way that is expected in 2018? There is no reason you should need to create binders anymore. I did that in 2004 but the world is different now.


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Post by: Lemondish


 Kirasu wrote:
 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
My buddy had his killteam rulebook converted into a spiral bound book at kinko's. Cost him less than 5 bucks. Rinse and repeat for updated CA's etc. Maybe a separate binder for White Dwarf pages seeing how they're more frail. But it costs next to nothing to have literally all relevant content in one "book". Codex, rulebook, expanded content book spiralbound. Bam done.

I know it's "effort" but GW's making good business decisions for themselves, and it takes minimal time and energy for us as consumers to work around them. My 2 cents.


You don't count the cost of buying every single book, WD, supplement a cost? That's not accurate. The point is not wether or not you can put your middle school crafts knowledge to use, it's why? Why can't GW stick to a digital strategy and grow the hobby in a way that is expected in 2018? There is no reason you should need to create binders anymore. I did that in 2004 but the world is different now.


My question exactly. Whenever I talk to people about this, they fail to recognize the value this might have. I say everything should go digital, and they say they'd have a hard time reading it, or that it wouldn't resolve anything because then they'd have to sort through multiple ebooks to find what they need. It drives me insane how badly people mangle the idea of going digital.

The problem I see is that people don't visualize what a digital rulebase would look like. They immediately imagine a copy of their rule book, but on their tiny phone instead. That's woefully ill conceived and fails to actually make a difference.

You build for the platform it'll be consumed on. The data sheet as it exists today works for its current platform - a book. Redesign it to be viewable on a tablet or a screen and it'll look very different while keeping the same exact information. When I beat the drum for digital support I'm talking about an app with access to every data sheet, updated day and date with codex or model launches and FAQs, and with everything accessible from a list builder tool. Think combat roster but with points and shareable across a social network of 40k players. There's a boatload of value GW could glean from this alone for balance purposes and they could react much, much faster to the meta. Right now things like CA are months behind the meta, but a digital app can respond to errors or change values in minutes, not months. Support it with a subscription like the AoS app and roll it into the WD sub as a bonus. You can now release new rules into the pages of WD that are then reflected in the companion app.

There's still hunger for this fluff, so the books don't have to go away, but at this point people are legitimate concerned at the rule confusion when they need the BRB, the BRB FAQ/Designer Commentary, the codex, the codex FAQ/Errata, and the latest Chapter Approved just to have the information you need to play a single mono force army. For power gamers, this isn't an issue. For the uninitiated, it's been a chore to convince them the bookkeeping isn't as bad as it seems - because the truth is...it is bad, and it's getting worse.

But don't get me wrong. I love new rules. I'm eager to see what the Crimson Fists get. I'm eager to see who else gets new rules. I would much rather continue down the path we're on if it's the only way to get new rules and the constant changes and balancing tweaks we're seeing. I'm just not convinced that's the only or best way to go about it. Digital could be.


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Post by: Nah Man Pichu


 Kirasu wrote:
 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
My buddy had his killteam rulebook converted into a spiral bound book at kinko's. Cost him less than 5 bucks. Rinse and repeat for updated CA's etc. Maybe a separate binder for White Dwarf pages seeing how they're more frail. But it costs next to nothing to have literally all relevant content in one "book". Codex, rulebook, expanded content book spiralbound. Bam done.

I know it's "effort" but GW's making good business decisions for themselves, and it takes minimal time and energy for us as consumers to work around them. My 2 cents.


You don't count the cost of buying every single book, WD, supplement a cost? That's not accurate. The point is not wether or not you can put your middle school crafts knowledge to use, it's why? Why can't GW stick to a digital strategy and grow the hobby in a way that is expected in 2018? There is no reason you should need to create binders anymore. I did that in 2004 but the world is different now.


I guess I'm confused, are you implying you wouldn't have to pay for digital releases? I know they run cheaper, but you still ha e to pay for them.


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Post by: Legiocustodes


I don’t want to go digital. I like books and magazines, I could imagine nothing worse than playing my games off a digital format... and that’s that!


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Post by: Trickstick


 Legiocustodes wrote:
I don’t want to go digital. I like books and magazines, I could imagine nothing worse than playing my games off a digital format... and that’s that!


You would also make electronic devices a mandatory requirement for obtaining rules, which isn't great.


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Post by: mortar_crew


 Trickstick wrote:
 Legiocustodes wrote:
I don’t want to go digital. I like books and magazines, I could imagine nothing worse than playing my games off a digital format... and that’s that!


You would also make electronic devices a mandatory requirement for obtaining rules, which isn't great.



I agree: paper all the way.

And I actually like reading magazines from years ago...


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Post by: AegisGrimm


Well, as it stands right now most PDFs take forever to load and render on my tablet, especially ones with gratuitous colored backgrounds.

I can literally flip through a book and find the page I want faster than waiting for a bunch of pages to render in as I flip through .


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Post by: CodeKantorBlue


Bit disappointed I can't get the subscriber cover for this new look WD, as the announcement was too late to set up a sub for that issue. Still gonna pick this up though. Been a Crimson Fists fan since Rogue Trader.


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Post by: tneva82


 Trickstick wrote:
 Legiocustodes wrote:
I don’t want to go digital. I like books and magazines, I could imagine nothing worse than playing my games off a digital format... and that’s that!


You would also make electronic devices a mandatory requirement for obtaining rules, which isn't great.


Knowing gw you would also pay for ability to play. Stop paying or gw stops supporting and no more ability to play for you nah nah nah. You wouldn't be paying once and play as long as YOU wish. You would pay constantly and when gw decides you stop playing those rules


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Post by: SpyderG6


 CodeKantorBlue wrote:
Bit disappointed I can't get the subscriber cover for this new look WD, as the announcement was too late to set up a sub for that issue. Still gonna pick this up though. Been a Crimson Fists fan since Rogue Trader.


I was disappointed by that too. The Warhammer Community article says sub today to so you don't miss an issue with the new cover,but the GW site says the subscription will start in Feb...

Does anyone know when the new White Dwarf usually hits stores? Everything I see just says subscribers get it early.


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Post by: Brother Castor


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's the 90's all over again!



https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/12/24/24th-dec-white-dwarf-and-warhammer-40000gw-homepage-post-4/

That Warhammer Community post is enough to make me want to pick up January's copy.



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Post by: animal310


Print media is leveling off and even making a comeback in some intances (except newspapers). Personally I don’t like digital, there is no perminance to it, you need a device to read it and that decice must have power, it must work etc. I don’t like reading things on a tablet, its difficult to find pages, move back and forward etc. I’m not a fan and never will be. The only plus for me with digital is space saving and I have purchased the odd ebook. A sizable amount of people feel the same. Its obvious why the digital version of WD was stopped, it was not selling. I don't know what the print figures for WD are however I would hazard a guess that they are high for a magazine and i’d be very surprised if it does not make the company money. In one of the recent financial reports they mentioned that it was selling well. Long may it continue.

As for those moaning about bloat. If you don’t want to play with extra rules, then don’t.

https://www.businesslive.co.za/fm/fm-fox/digital/2018-06-28-are-physical-books-making-a-comeback/


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Post by: Overread


Personally, I love my Kindle Paperwite. It's got a backlight and is effortless to read novels on, in fact its a pure joy to use. Remembers the place without a bookmark; can change text size at a whim, the backlight is great in any lighting situation and I can carry thousands of books with me on the train or travelling without any space worries at all.

For novels its fantastic.

Same too for my Tablet which I love for reading comics on; the bright glossy screen brings comics to life with its display and there's no worries of page smudges or marks from fingers (without shelling out for expensive hardback copies).


Thing is neither is ideal for reference material. For anything reference I far prefer paper. I can use an index and flip fast to new sections and jump all over the place. I can remember that the details for something are in a specific location within the book, cross referencing and moving around is quicker and it feels easier to organise if you've got multiple reference materials because you can lay them out clearly before you in an open space.

Now I can use digital for reference, but for that I prefer a PC where I've got a nice big screen and SPACE to move articles around and reference etc... Tablets are just too small and not as fast and not as good for it I find.


Sure the technology is getting better and one day jumping around and highlighting will be as fast as in reality. But for now I prefer my reference in paper format.




I'll also note that tablets are bad for battery life once you start using multiple readers and apps and the like. So suddenly the game session can all come to a grinding hate because you've got to get a recharge. Paper books don't suffer from that, they keep going.

Finally there's the physical to digital divide. I'm totally at home with digital products*, but I still prefer that my physical game remains with physical products. I think one reason we've not seen physical products twin perfectly with digital is because many people divide the two in their minds. An either or rather than wanting both, at least when something is physical before.

Of course this can all change, photography went from physical and chemical into full digital in a very fast and very big way.


*save that I feel modern interfaces on many are designed by fools who have no respect for the neat order of menus and such and instead prefer big glossy icons that mean nothing and where you have to wait for tooltips to appear to tell you what they mean


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Post by: stratigo


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
but that sort of pirating is a hassle so is done by far fewer folk which means fewer floating about online.


There's literally 4 easy to find databases that will have every single 40k book on it within a week. If 40k was an obscure niche tabletop game, print products might hamper piracy, but most smaller war games don't make the mistake of charging something like a thousand dollars just to have all the available rules and know that any barrier to entry cuts into their market share. Gw has the luxury of being a silly bugger in this regard because it is the biggest game in town, but since it is the biggest game in town, this silly buggery doesn't actually matter.

Indeed I refuse to carry around more than three books and if they don't give me the option to purchase it online, then I will find an electronic copy somewhere.


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Post by: BrookM


This topic is about the upcoming January White Dwarf, not piracy, going digital or not and so on. Stay on topic please.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


How long before release do leaks typically start showing up for White Dwarf? A week?


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


The new white dwarf looks heftier in terms of content but unfortunately none of the content is of interest to me so I'll not be purchasing.

Do we know if the Index Astartes thing is going to be for matched play? If so I find it irritating that yet again SM get even more focus from a rules perspective. It would be nice if other factions had the same treatment. It's compounded even more when there are still factions without a codex. Its great for all those Crimson Fist players but I don't think it's good for the game (assuming it is matched play rules). There is already a measure of bloat for Imperial soup lists. This is just adding to it.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The new white dwarf looks heftier in terms of content but unfortunately none of the content is of interest to me so I'll not be purchasing.

Do we know if the Index Astartes thing is going to be for matched play? If so I find it irritating that yet again SM get even more focus from a rules perspective. It would be nice if other factions had the same treatment. It's compounded even more when there are still factions without a codex. Its great for all those Crimson Fist players but I don't think it's good for the game (assuming it is matched play rules). There is already a measure of bloat for Imperial soup lists. This is just adding to it.
I can't see why it wouldn't be. It is Stratagems, Relics, Warlord Traits, and Chapter Tactics. Since when has it been questionable if any of those things are matched play legal?


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The new white dwarf looks heftier in terms of content but unfortunately none of the content is of interest to me so I'll not be purchasing.

Do we know if the Index Astartes thing is going to be for matched play? If so I find it irritating that yet again SM get even more focus from a rules perspective. It would be nice if other factions had the same treatment. It's compounded even more when there are still factions without a codex. Its great for all those Crimson Fist players but I don't think it's good for the game (assuming it is matched play rules). There is already a measure of bloat for Imperial soup lists. This is just adding to it.
I can't see why it wouldn't be. It is Stratagems, Relics, Warlord Traits, and Chapter Tactics. Since when has it been questionable if any of those things are matched play legal?

Since they started putting a big stamp on things that used to exist in the game as open play only like looted vehicles?


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Post by: Mr Morden


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The new white dwarf looks heftier in terms of content but unfortunately none of the content is of interest to me so I'll not be purchasing.

Do we know if the Index Astartes thing is going to be for matched play? If so I find it irritating that yet again SM get even more focus from a rules perspective. It would be nice if other factions had the same treatment. It's compounded even more when there are still factions without a codex. Its great for all those Crimson Fist players but I don't think it's good for the game (assuming it is matched play rules). There is already a measure of bloat for Imperial soup lists. This is just adding to it.


Sadly given the title it was always going to be yet more Marines - the fact that they are doing Crimson Fists first gives some brief and likely to be dashed hopes that it won't just be more crap for the Dark and Blood Angels, Wulfs and Ultras.

Its too much hope that they will do a different faction (Imperial and Xenos) every month.


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Post by: tneva82


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The new white dwarf looks heftier in terms of content but unfortunately none of the content is of interest to me so I'll not be purchasing.

Do we know if the Index Astartes thing is going to be for matched play? If so I find it irritating that yet again SM get even more focus from a rules perspective. It would be nice if other factions had the same treatment. It's compounded even more when there are still factions without a codex. Its great for all those Crimson Fist players but I don't think it's good for the game (assuming it is matched play rules). There is already a measure of bloat for Imperial soup lists. This is just adding to it.
I can't see why it wouldn't be. It is Stratagems, Relics, Warlord Traits, and Chapter Tactics. Since when has it been questionable if any of those things are matched play legal?


Alas you are likely correct and imperial soup just gets buffed and buffed


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Post by: Crazyterran


People were using Codex: Space Marines in Imperial Soup now?


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Post by: aka_mythos


 Mr Morden wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The new white dwarf looks heftier in terms of content but unfortunately none of the content is of interest to me so I'll not be purchasing.

Do we know if the Index Astartes thing is going to be for matched play? If so I find it irritating that yet again SM get even more focus from a rules perspective. It would be nice if other factions had the same treatment. It's compounded even more when there are still factions without a codex. Its great for all those Crimson Fist players but I don't think it's good for the game (assuming it is matched play rules). There is already a measure of bloat for Imperial soup lists. This is just adding to it.


Sadly given the title it was always going to be yet more Marines - the fact that they are doing Crimson Fists first gives some brief and likely to be dashed hopes that it won't just be more crap for the Dark and Blood Angels, Wulfs and Ultras.

Its too much hope that they will do a different faction (Imperial and Xenos) every month.
When you look at the Primaris releases we've had lieutenants and characters, we had the basic 5 or 6 units, and then we've had several chapter specific reboxes of those units with a chapter specific accessory sprue. I don't expect GW to do a stupid number of other chapters, I suspect these chapter specific reboxed kits are an easy way for them to sustain the volume of Space Marine releases they've had previous years, to satisfy investors, while being low effort products that let them put more resources elsewhere.

When they did Deathwatch they did a boat load of chapter specific shoulder pads as part of that kit. In the last couple years they've shown a greater willingness to reuse digital assets. Doing the sort of release that Imperial Fists got is relatively easy. These chapter specific accessory sprues are as simple as taking the digital model of the chapter specific shoulder pad from the Deathwatch kit, putting multiple on a new a sprue. Then reworking one head, one torso, and one weapon from another kit to be just different enough. Maybe throw in a vehicle sized icon. Having a second set of rules that happens to be able to use the same box set only helps to drive sales.

While I'd prefer fewer SM releases, I think these are the sort I can get behind. Here's hoping the Iron Hands, Ravenguard, White Scars, and Salamanders get a chance. I know there are plenty of Ravenguard successors that use their icon... anyone know about the others? Might be cool if they all got 2-for-1 releases.


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Post by: Lemondish


Whoa, TIL people apparently use codex marines in Imperial Soup.


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Post by: spiralingcadaver


As a Marine player and one who's even been tempted a few times to start CF, I think it's not the nicest to people still waiting on their codex for Crimson Fists rules to drop first, but it does make a ton of sense to test the waters with Marines: GW has by far the most experience reskinning/modding Marines and there's a large Marine player base (for these purposes, tournaments are moot IMHO since they've never been GW's primary audience).

Now, I get that CF are a classic, but I do think that it's kinda lame to pick a chapter that already has decent representation in the codex. (Then again, that might be sour grapes, since I think that FW's work with chapters has often been more interesting and feel we're less likely to see them ever get updated (past the perennial favorite Scorpions).)


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


Crimson Fists rules:

New Chapter Tactics: +1 to hit against units with twice the models of your attacking unit. Dreadnoughts count as 5 models.

Warlord Traits:
Tenacious Opponent: Same as Codex
Refuse to Die: Get back up on a 4+ with d3 wounds the first time you die
Stoic Defender: All Infantry, Bikers and Dreadnoughts gain Defenders of Humanity If they are within 6" of the Warlord. If they already had it, they count as 2 models per 1 model.

Stratagems:
Bolter Drill: Same as Codex. Goes well with their new Chapter Tactic.
A Hated Foe: Target Unit rerolls all wounds against Ork units.
Slay the Tyrant: Target Unit adds +1 to hit against Characters

Relics:
Fist of Vengeance: Same as Codex
Duty's Burden: Replaces Bolt Rifle 36", RF 2, Str 5, AP-2, D2

Kindly do not attach these files to our servers - BrookM

Edit Edit: Sorry!


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Post by: Crimson


I think the tactic actually only works against units that have twice as many models than your unit. And your dreadnoughts count as five models for the purposes of this rule. So it rarely does anything. These rules are not great...

Nice to see a relic that Primaris models can actually take, too bad it is tied to rest of these rules.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Crimson wrote:
I think the tactic actually only works against units that have twice as many models than your unit. And your dreadnoughts count as five models for the purposes of this rule. So it rarely does anything. These rules are not great...

Nice to see a relic that Primaris models can actually take, too bad it is tied to rest of these rules.
Yeah, that's what I meant. It is going to make an MSU army even more focused on MSU. Aggressors using Bolter Drill are going to be crazy.

But yeah, the rules aren't stellar. But you can continue to use the CF rules from the codex, which still gives the best Relic.


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Post by: Crimson


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
But you can continue to use the CF rules from the codex

You can? Can you combine those with these? I mean could I use the codex tactic and still take the relic rifle?
(I don't even think that the relic rifle is any good, but it is the sort of fluffy excuse to model a fancy bolt rifle that I like.)


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Crimson wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
But you can continue to use the CF rules from the codex

You can? Can you combine those with these? I mean could I use the codex tactic and still take the relic rifle?
(I don't even think that the relic rifle is any good, but it is the sort of fluffy excuse to model a fancy bolt rifle that I like.)
No. The article explicitly says one or the other. So if you use the article, you have to use the anti-horde chapter tactic. So you can choose which tactic to use based on your opponent. And the article has the codex WL trait, Bolter Drill, and the Fist of Vengeance, so you don't lose anything.


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Post by: Crimson


OK, thanks. A shame, but understandable.


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Post by: Mr Morden


 Crimson wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
But you can continue to use the CF rules from the codex

You can? Can you combine those with these? I mean could I use the codex tactic and still take the relic rifle?
(I don't even think that the relic rifle is any good, but it is the sort of fluffy excuse to model a fancy bolt rifle that I like.)


The rules on the page seem to say yes, thats fine -they say you can take relics from here and the Codex.

They even reprint the Fist of Vengeance just
for convenience
and confirm its the same relic.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Crimson wrote:
Conflicting information!
The article explicitly says you can use the Codex Space Marines rules or the rules from the article. That would include everything, Stratagems, Warlord Traits, Relics, and Chapter Tactics.


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Post by: Lemondish


Few questions - just to clarify, that tactic applies if the target unit is TWICE the size of the current one, not just if it has more models, right?

Still applies to just Infantry, Bikers, and Dreadnoughts?


If so, sounds like a lot of mobile dreadnoughts that can move without the penalty (as long as they fire at a target with at least 2 models).

The new bolt rifle is weird since the only character I can think of that can carry one is the Primaris Ancient...everyone else has mastercrafted auto or stalker, right?


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


Lemondish wrote:
Few questions - just to clarify, that tactic applies if the target unit is TWICE the size of the current one, not just if it has more models, right?

Still applies to just Infantry, Bikers, and Dreadnoughts?


If so, sounds like a lot of mobile dreadnoughts that can move without the penalty (as long as they fire at a target with at least 2 models).

The new bolt rifle is weird since the only character I can think of that can carry one is the Primaris Ancient...everyone else has mastercrafted auto or stalker, right?
My initial post was incorrect. It is twice the models, not just more models. Dreadnoughts count as 5 models for this rule. But characters are nuts with it. The bolt rifle can replace stalker, auto, and Master-Crafted variations of Bolt Rifles.


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Post by: Asherian Command


Why you would use that relic and not a Levi dread i'll never know.

So are chapter tactics now for everyone?


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Asherian Command wrote:
Why you would use that relic and not a Levi dread i'll never know.

So are chapter tactics now for everyone?
No, they are for Infantry, Bikers, and Dreadnoughts still. It is dumb.


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Post by: Lemondish


 Asherian Command wrote:
Why you would use that relic and not a Levi dread i'll never know.


That's...not how any of this works.


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Post by: Asherian Command


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:
Why you would use that relic and not a Levi dread i'll never know.

So are chapter tactics now for everyone?
No, they are for Infantry, Bikers, and Dreadnoughts still. It is dumb.


There goes my predator tanks and razorbacks :/


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Post by: Mr Morden


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
Conflicting information!
The article explicitly says you can use the Codex Space Marines rules or the rules from the article. That would include everything, Stratagems, Warlord Traits, Relics, and Chapter Tactics.


It also says your army can have:

you army can have more than one of the Chapter Relics (from Codex: Space Marines and/or from here)


Plus re strats
you have access to the Stragems below in addition to those in Codex: Space Marines


So you can mix and match?


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Mr Morden wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
Conflicting information!
The article explicitly says you can use the Codex Space Marines rules or the rules from the article. That would include everything, Stratagems, Warlord Traits, Relics, and Chapter Tactics.


It also says your army can have:

you army can have more than one of the Chapter Relics (from Codex: Space Marines and/or from here)


Plus re strats
you have access to the Stragems below in addition to those in Codex: Space Marines


So you can mix and match?
That is only affording you the ability to take things like the Shield Eternal or Teeth of Terra. Or the ability to use Linebreaker Bombardment.


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Post by: Mr Morden


Are you sure - they specfically confirm you can take the Fist of Vengeance and just reprint it "for your convenience"


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Mr Morden wrote:
Are you sure - they specfically confirm you can take the Fist of Vengeance and just reprint it "for your convenience"
The first few paragraphs of the article spell it out. Either you use the IF Tactics and the rules from the codex, or you use the rules from the article. Why they relisted things such as Tenacious Survivor, Bolter Drill, or the Fist of Vengeance is beyond me.


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Post by: Lemondish


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
That is only affording you the ability to take things like the Shield Eternal or Teeth of Terra. Or the ability to use Linebreaker Bombardment.


I mean, Storm of Fire is still pretty potent, even moreso now that you can get +1 to hit situationally. WotA could be valuable too.

It'll be interesting to see how one plays around with the tactics since casualties can turn it off on you, while your own casualties turn it back on.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


Lemondish wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
That is only affording you the ability to take things like the Shield Eternal or Teeth of Terra. Or the ability to use Linebreaker Bombardment.


I mean, Storm of Fire is still pretty potent, even moreso now that you can get +1 to hit situationally. WotA could be valuable too.

It'll be interesting to see how one plays around with the tactics since casualties can turn it off on you, while your own casualties turn it back on.
Storm of Fire is on 6+ to Wound, not to Hit. But still, it negates the hit penalty for Thunder Hammers and Power Fists against groups.

Really, the big winners for this are small units like Aggressors, Bike Squads, Company Veterans, Inceptors, and Characters.


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Post by: Drudge Dreadnought


This trait seems very thematically appropriate for Crimson Fists. But for regular marines and intercessors, it seems you are still better off with Death Watch? I suppose if you're going heavy on Dreads and Aggressors then it could be worthwhile.


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Post by: Asherian Command


Aggressors, Bike Squads, Company Veterans, Inceptors, and Characters.


Attackbikes must be pretty good then... *Cries in white scars*


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Asherian Command wrote:
Aggressors, Bike Squads, Company Veterans, Inceptors, and Characters.


Attackbikes must be pretty good then... *Cries in white scars*
Yeah, that +1 to hit will negate the -1 for moving with the heavy weapon. Not too shabby.

Centurion Devastators will be killing with the best of them with a 2+ to hit, even when on the move.

It is still going to be hard to get the bonus on big things that your army is going to want to be killing the most though. They will wreck hordes, but won't do much against other armies until they start taking casualties.


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Post by: Asherian Command


Yeah, that +1 to hit will negate the -1 for moving with the heavy weapon. Not too shabby.


If it was similar to how levis worked, for every 5 unit your outnumbered you get +1 attack, would be awesome. It would be fluffy and would only punish armies that utilize -1 to hit. AKA eldar.


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Post by: Slayer-Fan123


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Lemondish wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
That is only affording you the ability to take things like the Shield Eternal or Teeth of Terra. Or the ability to use Linebreaker Bombardment.


I mean, Storm of Fire is still pretty potent, even moreso now that you can get +1 to hit situationally. WotA could be valuable too.

It'll be interesting to see how one plays around with the tactics since casualties can turn it off on you, while your own casualties turn it back on.
Storm of Fire is on 6+ to Wound, not to Hit. But still, it negates the hit penalty for Thunder Hammers and Power Fists against groups.

Really, the big winners for this are small units like Aggressors, Bike Squads, Company Veterans, Inceptors, and Characters.

Those units are the winners I would've picked as well. Centurions aren't one to forget either. Assault Centurions do still have their Hurricane Bolters after all, and Bolter Drill + the Tactics would put a good amount of shots on something.

So I know the article made mention of Dreads counting as 5 models to count if they got the bonus, but no mention of other measurements means you never get a bonus to hit vs a Knight. That's super stupid.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Lemondish wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
That is only affording you the ability to take things like the Shield Eternal or Teeth of Terra. Or the ability to use Linebreaker Bombardment.


I mean, Storm of Fire is still pretty potent, even moreso now that you can get +1 to hit situationally. WotA could be valuable too.

It'll be interesting to see how one plays around with the tactics since casualties can turn it off on you, while your own casualties turn it back on.
Storm of Fire is on 6+ to Wound, not to Hit. But still, it negates the hit penalty for Thunder Hammers and Power Fists against groups.

Really, the big winners for this are small units like Aggressors, Bike Squads, Company Veterans, Inceptors, and Characters.

Those units are the winners I would've picked as well. Centurions aren't one to forget either. Assault Centurions do still have their Hurricane Bolters after all, and Bolter Drill + the Tactics would put a good amount of shots on something.

So I know the article made mention of Dreads counting as 5 models to count if they got the bonus, but no mention of other measurements means you never get a bonus to hit vs a Knight. That's super stupid.
Agreed. It doesn't allow the bonus to trigger against big things like tanks, monsters, or Knights. Slay the Tyrant will give you the bonus against character versions of those things though, so bye bye Pask and those Character Knights.


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Post by: dsraider1


Don't forget Pedro exists. Sticking a primaris lieutenant with the new bolter next to him would create a cheap unit with a lot of firepower since you're probably already taking one for the rerolls. Also, both of them would be protected as characters.

Pedro also combos with the new tactic and bolter drill. You could get a lot of shots off with that.


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Post by: Slayer-Fan123


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Lemondish wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
That is only affording you the ability to take things like the Shield Eternal or Teeth of Terra. Or the ability to use Linebreaker Bombardment.


I mean, Storm of Fire is still pretty potent, even moreso now that you can get +1 to hit situationally. WotA could be valuable too.

It'll be interesting to see how one plays around with the tactics since casualties can turn it off on you, while your own casualties turn it back on.
Storm of Fire is on 6+ to Wound, not to Hit. But still, it negates the hit penalty for Thunder Hammers and Power Fists against groups.

Really, the big winners for this are small units like Aggressors, Bike Squads, Company Veterans, Inceptors, and Characters.

Those units are the winners I would've picked as well. Centurions aren't one to forget either. Assault Centurions do still have their Hurricane Bolters after all, and Bolter Drill + the Tactics would put a good amount of shots on something.

So I know the article made mention of Dreads counting as 5 models to count if they got the bonus, but no mention of other measurements means you never get a bonus to hit vs a Knight. That's super stupid.
Agreed. It doesn't allow the bonus to trigger against big things like tanks, monsters, or Knights. Slay the Tyrant will give you the bonus against character versions of those things though, so bye bye Pask and those Character Knights.

That's at least a situational benefit, but the fact a regular Knight of all things doesn't trigger it kinda feels...like GW didn't think that out. At all.

Still anything to make Centurions look better is something I'll take. Talk about a super giant fall from grace. Hell, even Devastator Centurions would be slightly below mediocre with the bonus, and they won't have the redundancy of the Omniscope + Imperial Fists Tactics


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Post by: Crimson


Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Still anything to make Centurions look better is something I'll take.

Nothing short of the complete redesign of the model will make the Centurions look better.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


Honestly, the Chapter Tactics need something to address big models like Knights. I guess being able to take out their IG support would help, but why are you wasting your time on that in the first place? It should have activated on if a single unit had more than 15 wounds or something. Nothing says against all odds than a squad of Marines shooting down a Knight.


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Post by: aracersss


it's def themed against hordes ... not much lore between CF & renegade IKs prob


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 aracersss wrote:
it's def themed against hordes ... not much lore between CF & renegade IKs prob
Yeah, but killing big things is definitely thematically appropriate too. We can still deal with character versions of big things, so it isn't the end of the world. I guess I will have to plink away a Knights with my Hellblasters using Heroes of Rynn's World and Devastators.

I definitely think this CT is extremely fluffy and I don't play in extremely competitive environments, so fluffy and halfways potent is good enough for me. I might add a Dreadnought in my list just for kicks now. A Heavy Onslaught Cannon and Onslaught Cannon Redemptor would be pretty sweet.


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Post by: Banville


I think the anti-horde thing without bonuses against big things is fine and thematic. There's no need to turn Crimson Fists into Mary Sues. No army should be devoid of hard counters. Being good at everything is what makes Imperial Knights so irritating at present.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


Banville wrote:
I think the anti-horde thing without bonuses against big things is fine and thematic. There's no need to turn Crimson Fists into Mary Sues. No army should be devoid of hard counters. Being good at everything is what makes Imperial Knights so irritating at present.
Well, sticking them with a bunch of tanks that didn't get CT to begin with is probably the way to go. And it isn't like their weapons suddenly stopped working against big things, they just aren't as effective. And those big things weren't getting cover, so ignoring cover did little to nothing against them too.

I am just saying that it would make sense for them to be have the bonus against big things as well. It isn't that way, unless they are shooting character versions (and that requires a Stratagem), so it is fine. Crimson Fists are in a good place, I think.


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Post by: Lemondish


dsraider1 wrote:
Don't forget Pedro exists. Sticking a primaris lieutenant with the new bolter next to him would create a cheap unit with a lot of firepower since you're probably already taking one for the rerolls. Also, both of them would be protected as characters.

Pedro also combos with the new tactic and bolter drill. You could get a lot of shots off with that.


With any luck, Pedro will be the next Rubiconed chapter master.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


Lemondish wrote:
dsraider1 wrote:
Don't forget Pedro exists. Sticking a primaris lieutenant with the new bolter next to him would create a cheap unit with a lot of firepower since you're probably already taking one for the rerolls. Also, both of them would be protected as characters.

Pedro also combos with the new tactic and bolter drill. You could get a lot of shots off with that.


With any luck, Pedro will be the next Rubiconed chapter master.
That would be fantastic. A new pose and some Honour Guard to go with him.


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Post by: Slayer-Fan123


 Crimson wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Still anything to make Centurions look better is something I'll take.

Nothing short of the complete redesign of the model will make the Centurions look better.

Honestly the models are fine as long as you ignore the padding on the legs. The models then start to make sense.


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Post by: Crimson


Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Honestly the models are fine as long as you ignore the padding on the legs. The models then start to make sense.

No. The guy inside doesn't have arms. And they're hideous regardless.


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Post by: endlesswaltz123


depends on the wording, but could that mean that hellblasters and inceptors with plasma, or anything that can spam plasma for that matter can overcharge without killing themselves if the unit they are shooting has twice as many models as them?

Also, inceptors in general could be nasty with that.


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Post by: Irbis


 Crimson wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Honestly the models are fine as long as you ignore the padding on the legs. The models then start to make sense.

No. The guy inside doesn't have arms. And they're hideous regardless.

Aren't the arms just tucked inside breastplate, with the main suit "arms" just being robotic limbs?

Which is frankly something that should be applied to TDA design too, especially if GW insists on making their shoulders with ears still...


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Post by: Yodhrin


 Irbis wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Honestly the models are fine as long as you ignore the padding on the legs. The models then start to make sense.

No. The guy inside doesn't have arms. And they're hideous regardless.

Aren't the arms just tucked inside breastplate, with the main suit "arms" just being robotic limbs?

Which is frankly something that should be applied to TDA design too, especially if GW insists on making their shoulders with ears still...


It's actually entirely possible to produce a version of TDA that maintains the basic silhouette while also being able to fit a vaguely human-shaped person inside without breaking the spine and dislocating both shoulders. It's not possible to make a version of the Centurion that doesn't look silly as soon as you realise there's meant to be a whole, almost-fully-armoured Marine inside there somewhere.


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Post by: Irbis


 Yodhrin wrote:
It's actually entirely possible to produce a version of TDA that maintains the basic silhouette while also being able to fit a vaguely human-shaped person inside without breaking the spine and dislocating both shoulders.

Is it?



Maybe it's just me but I can't see how shoulders level with top of your skull and pelvis gap so wide is supposed to work.


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Post by: AegisGrimm


Mostly the heads in TDA just should have been situated higher.


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Post by: Crimson


That's pretty old model. Newer ones have an abdomen and their arms attach lower. Sill a bit weird, but way less so. The Custodes terminators have even better proportions; I'm hoping for Primaris terminators with similar anatomy.


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Post by: insaniak


None of which has anything to do with the actual topic...


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Post by: dsraider1


How effective do you guys think dropping a group of plasma inceptors off to the side of the enemy warlord, overcharging them, and using Slay The Tyrant would be?

Would it be worth keeping a squad of 3 around for?


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Post by: pogey


Has that jervis johnson and andy chambers battle report shown up in a white dwarf yet?


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


dsraider1 wrote:
How effective do you guys think dropping a group of plasma inceptors off to the side of the enemy warlord, overcharging them, and using Slay The Tyrant would be?

Would it be worth keeping a squad of 3 around for?
It will probably never happen. The Warlord is almost definitely going to be surrounded. Slay the Tyrant is going to require you to be right in his face.


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Post by: Spoletta


You can shoot things like Pask, Commander tanks and flyrants though.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


Spoletta wrote:
You can shoot things like Pask, Commander tanks and flyrants though.
Yes, you definitely can. And if I am facing down an army with a 10+ wound character, I am definitely popping Slay the Tyrant with my heavy hitter units and blowing it away. The problem is, there really aren't that many 10+ wound characters.


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Post by: alphaecho



I received my subscriber copy of White Dwarf this morning.

For those who like the idea of collecting and displaying GW art, the sub covers could come in handy. The water marked White Dwarf logo is, purely my opinion, very well done. If the cover is removed with care and placed in a frame it could display very well on a bulkhead.


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Post by: zamerion


Something about AoS skirmish?

Have the rules changed?


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Post by: Brother Castor


When's it going to be in-store? January 4th?


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Post by: GenRifDrake


I just got my WD too and was excited and hopeful to see what it would have on the Gloomspite Gitz and get a look at the prices etc. But to my surprise there isn’t a single thing on them, at all, not a painting article, batt rep, or any mention of them. Also aside from a two page spread advertising their AoS Start Collecting box sets to tie in with Skirmish.. there isn’t a single page it seems on any Jan launches and Prices. Oo


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Post by: zamerion


Wow
Unbelieble!

That's really a change.

Could you tell us how is AoS skirmish?

Thanks!!


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Post by: Knight


I'd like to hear more about AoS skirmish too.


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Post by: GenRifDrake


Well to give a brief run down on Skirmish, it's basically rules for playing AoS in the 250-500 points/Reknown or so mark, you can go for more or less but that's about the range they recommend. It uses same rules as AoS just there are some adjustments for Warscrolls and points cost or what they call Reknown. To find a unit's Reknown you basically work out the cost of what 1 model would be, so min unit size cost divided by min unit size. There is a restriction that each Warscroll can only be included once in a Warband, but you are free to ignore Min unit sizes, and also you can mix and match any wargear and upgrade options that Warscroll has, though still sticking to any "every 1 in 5" etc rules. Also each model in Skirmish is it's own individual unit, and does not have to maintain coherency with it's warscroll etc,

You must have at least 1 Hero unit and pick one of your Hero units to be your general, but you ignore battletome Command Trait and Artifact tables. Instead everyone must use these new Skirmish Command Trait tables and artifacts for Skirmish games and you ignore any Allegiance abilities too, there is generic one for each Grand Alliance you choose. CP and Command Abilities function as normal.

Comes with 7 missions for you to play around with, but that is the basic run down, skipping out on a lot of other details but that should be enough to give a general idea how it'll play out? They said next issue will have rules for playing AoS: Skirmish Campaigns too.


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Post by: Rogerio134134


 BrookM wrote:
Not for sale until Saturday.


Thanks I might subscribe to get it earlier lol

What's the poster? Is it crimson fists??


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Post by: rtb02


GenRifDrake wrote:
I just got my WD too and was excited and hopeful to see what it would have on the Gloomspite Gitz and get a look at the prices etc. But to my surprise there isn’t a single thing on them, at all, not a painting article, batt rep, or any mention of them. Also aside from a two page spread advertising their AoS Start Collecting box sets to tie in with Skirmish.. there isn’t a single page it seems on any Jan launches and Prices. Oo


No surprises at all.

Gw told us what was in the dwarf and traditionally the releases are in WD the month after they release.

Reference orktober for example.

My only surprise is that you're surprised...


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Post by: GenRifDrake


rtb02 wrote:
GenRifDrake wrote:
I just got my WD too and was excited and hopeful to see what it would have on the Gloomspite Gitz and get a look at the prices etc. But to my surprise there isn’t a single thing on them, at all, not a painting article, batt rep, or any mention of them. Also aside from a two page spread advertising their AoS Start Collecting box sets to tie in with Skirmish.. there isn’t a single page it seems on any Jan launches and Prices. Oo


No surprises at all.

Gw told us what was in the dwarf and traditionally the releases are in WD the month after they release.

Reference orktober for example.

My only surprise is that you're surprised...


Why you gotta round off a nice, informative update to someone whose ignorant with a snide remark? That's just rude. :/

Rogerio134134 wrote:
 BrookM wrote:
Not for sale until Saturday.


Thanks I might subscribe to get it earlier lol

What's the poster? Is it crimson fists??


The poster is basically the front cover of the Vigilus Defiant book, with a map and campaign layout on the otherside of Vigilus.


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Post by: Overread


GW has shifted almost all of their release info and pre release info into their websites rather than into the White Dwarf. This has several bonuses:

1) It keeps both platforms viable without competing with each other. This means each is valued for their own thing.

2) The internet communication platforms are far more readily adaptable to a changing situation. Such as a leak releasing early preview photos GW can push them out online themselves and tackle it without affecting a product that people are paying for and which can't be changed.

3) IT cuts down on repetition which increases the value, esp of White Dwarf. Last thing GW wants it to have a large segment of WD customers who are buying it just for previews to then feel cheated when the internet previews things faster/for free.


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Post by: Kanluwen


 BrookM wrote:
Not for sale until Saturday.

Here in the US, they put them out on Fridays.


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Post by: ProtoClone


Someone posted pics of the WD with Kroot KT over on Facebook.
*Deleted link to FB post. Said post has since been removed by Facebook forum mods.

Spoiler:



Got the others.
Spoiler:




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Post by: Danny76


GenRifDrake wrote:
I just got my WD too and was excited and hopeful to see what it would have on the Gloomspite Gitz and get a look at the prices etc. But to my surprise there isn’t a single thing on them, at all, not a painting article, batt rep, or any mention of them. Also aside from a two page spread advertising their AoS Start Collecting box sets to tie in with Skirmish.. there isn’t a single page it seems on any Jan launches and Prices. Oo


Either you don’t normally buy White Dwarf, or you’re pulling an ‘Orktober whaat?’ on us.

Just in case it’s the former;
The content of this WD was known before the Gitz announcements. So not surprising.
And as always WD covers things released early in the cycle (admittedly things from the 12th on sale could have gone either way. But I’m guessing using all that over to make one huge Grot issue next month is a better choice).


On the issue;
I like it. Looks good. Articles are nice.
But I just cancelled my sub in October to save money (this being my last issue owed).
May grab the odd one depending on rules or articles..


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Post by: animal310


The whole latest news section has been binned and there is no information about any new releases at all. Very disappointed.


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Post by: Mandragola


That thing if getting +1 to hit for crimson fists is great news, except for the 10-man veteran intercessor squads I was thinking of making!

It’s very good for bolter still though, especially for aggressors, and it’s also very handy for plasma on hellblasters and inceptors. Come to think of it, it’s not bad for a redemptor dress either.

Thematically I like it. Crimson fists are now the anti-horde chapter, which they ought to be. And being good against hordes is useful in 40k right now.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


Mandragola wrote:
That thing if getting +1 to hit for crimson fists is great news, except for the 10-man veteran intercessor squads I was thinking of making!

It’s very good for bolter still though, especially for aggressors, and it’s also very handy for plasma on hellblasters and inceptors. Come to think of it, it’s not bad for a redemptor dress either.

Thematically I like it. Crimson fists are now the anti-horde chapter, which they ought to be. And being good against hordes is useful in 40k right now.
Yeah, it makes me want to split my 10-man Hellblaster Squad back up instead of keeping them together for Heroes of Rynn's World. But, dropping Heroes of Rynn's World alongside Slay the Tyrant could be a fun way to blast your opponent to smitherines.

One thing that you should keep in mind is that you can always throw the Tactical Flexibility Stratagem after you do whatever it was that you wanted to do with the 10-man squad. After that, they are 5-man units that are rocking that +1 to hit. Not the most powerful ability, but it is something you can keep in your back pocket if you need it. Aggressors and Inceptors are going to be a little crazy with this. Especially if you drop Bolter Drill on them. Too bad Aggressors don't function with either of the Specialist Detachments we can use. That would be insane.


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Post by: IanVanCheese


OK so I have a weird question here. Is there anything stopping you from running one detachment as Codex Crimson Fists and another as White Dwarf Crimson Fists?

Would you still need to paint them slightly differently for your opponent's sake? They're both 'Crimson Fists' after all.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


IanVanCheese wrote:
OK so I have a weird question here. Is there anything stopping you from running one detachment as Codex Crimson Fists and another as White Dwarf Crimson Fists?

Would you still need to paint them slightly differently for your opponent's sake? They're both 'Crimson Fists' after all.
The article explicitly forbids it, so no, you cannot.


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Post by: Mr_Rose


Yeah, it specifically says that all your Crimson Fists detachments must use the same rules; either WD Crimson Fists, or Chapter Tactics: Imperial Fists, not a combination.


Edit: on the topic of the content of the magazine, I’m seeing actual new fiction in there now, and a much reduced advertising load. This is all to the good for me. The Community site and store can manage the previews and prices just fine on their own.


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Post by: ImAGeek


animal310 wrote:
The whole latest news section has been binned and there is no information about any new releases at all. Very disappointed.


I’m actually glad, and hope it’s gone for good, on reflection. By the time I got my copy of the magazine I’d already seen that section plastered everywhere online, meaning a fair chunk of the magazine I’d already read. Now at least everything is readable/useful.


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Post by: rtb02


Seemingly I can't figure out the quotation thing on here...

The alleged "informative" post I criticised wasn't informative in the slightest and for anyone paying any vague attention to the January WD contents knew what was in it.

Ergo it wasn't informative.


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Post by: cole1114


That one new warlord trait the fists get, that gives anything within so many inches objective secured is pretty nice. Pop a unit of basic terminators and a terminator captain with that WT on a vital objective and they can probably do a pretty good job holding it.

Or drop pod two minimum-sized tactical squads with a combi-plasma and plasma cannon in each squad, drop a captain with the trait on them, and it counts as twenty models for the purposes of objective secured, all while not being able to Get Hot! against 10-model units.


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Post by: Mandragola


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Mandragola wrote:
That thing if getting +1 to hit for crimson fists is great news, except for the 10-man veteran intercessor squads I was thinking of making!

It’s very good for bolter still though, especially for aggressors, and it’s also very handy for plasma on hellblasters and inceptors. Come to think of it, it’s not bad for a redemptor dress either.

Thematically I like it. Crimson fists are now the anti-horde chapter, which they ought to be. And being good against hordes is useful in 40k right now.
Yeah, it makes me want to split my 10-man Hellblaster Squad back up instead of keeping them together for Heroes of Rynn's World. But, dropping Heroes of Rynn's World alongside Slay the Tyrant could be a fun way to blast your opponent to smitherines.

One thing that you should keep in mind is that you can always throw the Tactical Flexibility Stratagem after you do whatever it was that you wanted to do with the 10-man squad. After that, they are 5-man units that are rocking that +1 to hit. Not the most powerful ability, but it is something you can keep in your back pocket if you need it. Aggressors and Inceptors are going to be a little crazy with this. Especially if you drop Bolter Drill on them. Too bad Aggressors don't function with either of the Specialist Detachments we can use. That would be insane.

It might not be all that bad. 10-man squads are kind of rare anyway. You tend to find MSU units and hordes, so things would be ok in either case.

I need to draw up a whole new list. CA, Vigilus and now this have changed the capabilities of my guys a lot.


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Post by: Slayer-Fan123


Plus the 10 man Intercessor squad wouldn't be able to take advantage of the Aux Grenade Launchers too well anyway, and two separate squads means you get two grenades fired.

Also with Crimson Fists you can launch that Frag for at least a little more effectiveness.


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Post by: Lemondish


LT carrying that bolt rifle relic is saucy - an HQ able to benefit from No Matter the Odds. Pity he can't act like a Sergeant and also carry a power weapon to make use of that 2+ WS and multiple attacks...

Come on GW, one more Primaris LT sculpt? Only with a sword AND rifle this time



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Post by: Irbis


Lemondish wrote:
LT carrying that bolt rifle relic is saucy - an HQ able to benefit from No Matter the Odds. Pity he can't act like a Sergeant and also carry a power weapon to make use of that 2+ WS and multiple attacks...

Come on GW, one more Primaris LT sculpt? Only with a sword AND rifle this time

The sad part is, there is already one but for some stupid reason that loadout wasn't made available to all chapters unlike all the other LTs...


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Irbis wrote:
Lemondish wrote:
LT carrying that bolt rifle relic is saucy - an HQ able to benefit from No Matter the Odds. Pity he can't act like a Sergeant and also carry a power weapon to make use of that 2+ WS and multiple attacks...

Come on GW, one more Primaris LT sculpt? Only with a sword AND rifle this time

The sad part is, there is already one but for some stupid reason that loadout wasn't made available to all chapters unlike all the other LTs...
Well, the LT has to take an Auto Bolt Rifle. He doesn't get the choice to take a regular Bolt Rifle. The only model that can take the relic Bolt Rifle on a regular Bolt Rifle is the Primaris Ancient. It makes him a good candidate for Expert Instructor though.


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Post by: animal310


 ImAGeek wrote:
animal310 wrote:
The whole latest news section has been binned and there is no information about any new releases at all. Very disappointed.


I’m actually glad, and hope it’s gone for good, on reflection. By the time I got my copy of the magazine I’d already seen that section plastered everywhere online, meaning a fair chunk of the magazine I’d already read. Now at least everything is readable/useful.


White Dwarf has covered the new GW releases for about 30 years so this is a big departure. For long term subscribers its going to come as a surprise. Personally I think this is a case of them listening to the vocal minority too much, but we will see. In the future people will not be able to look through their old White Dwarfs at the releases back in the day. In 20 years (and probably a lot sooner than that) there will be no record of the Moonclan Grot releases, no catalogue, no sale listing and there will be nothing left on Warhammer Community Site about them, if that even still exists! I think thats a shame.


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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
Lemondish wrote:
LT carrying that bolt rifle relic is saucy - an HQ able to benefit from No Matter the Odds. Pity he can't act like a Sergeant and also carry a power weapon to make use of that 2+ WS and multiple attacks...

Come on GW, one more Primaris LT sculpt? Only with a sword AND rifle this time

The sad part is, there is already one but for some stupid reason that loadout wasn't made available to all chapters unlike all the other LTs...
Well, the LT has to take an Auto Bolt Rifle. He doesn't get the choice to take a regular Bolt Rifle. The only model that can take the relic Bolt Rifle on a regular Bolt Rifle is the Primaris Ancient. It makes him a good candidate for Expert Instructor though.


I've seen it reported that it replaces the Master Crafted Auto Bolt Rifle, MC Stalker Bolt Rifle and Bolt Rifle. Other wise it would be a Relic Only available to Ancients


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
Lemondish wrote:
LT carrying that bolt rifle relic is saucy - an HQ able to benefit from No Matter the Odds. Pity he can't act like a Sergeant and also carry a power weapon to make use of that 2+ WS and multiple attacks...

Come on GW, one more Primaris LT sculpt? Only with a sword AND rifle this time

The sad part is, there is already one but for some stupid reason that loadout wasn't made available to all chapters unlike all the other LTs...
Well, the LT has to take an Auto Bolt Rifle. He doesn't get the choice to take a regular Bolt Rifle. The only model that can take the relic Bolt Rifle on a regular Bolt Rifle is the Primaris Ancient. It makes him a good candidate for Expert Instructor though.


I've seen it reported that it replaces the Master Crafted Auto Bolt Rifle, MC Stalker Bolt Rifle and Bolt Rifle.
I have scans of the article. It does replace any of those things. But the only model equipped with a regular Bolt Rifle that can take it is the Primaris Ancient. Lieutenants and Captains can replace their Master-Crafted Auto or Stalker Bolt Rifles though.

Because of the relic Bolt Rifle, I can't decide if I want to replace one of my Power Sword Lieutenants with an Auto Bolt Rifle Lieutenant or Stalker Bolt Rifle Lieutenant. It is pretty strong. But I am probably going to ignore it and give the relic Standard to the Primaris Ancient in my army. Well worth the -1CP for the additional relic (because I have a Power Fist on my Primaris Captain).


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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
Lemondish wrote:
LT carrying that bolt rifle relic is saucy - an HQ able to benefit from No Matter the Odds. Pity he can't act like a Sergeant and also carry a power weapon to make use of that 2+ WS and multiple attacks...

Come on GW, one more Primaris LT sculpt? Only with a sword AND rifle this time

The sad part is, there is already one but for some stupid reason that loadout wasn't made available to all chapters unlike all the other LTs...
Well, the LT has to take an Auto Bolt Rifle. He doesn't get the choice to take a regular Bolt Rifle. The only model that can take the relic Bolt Rifle on a regular Bolt Rifle is the Primaris Ancient. It makes him a good candidate for Expert Instructor though.


I've seen it reported that it replaces the Master Crafted Auto Bolt Rifle, MC Stalker Bolt Rifle and Bolt Rifle.
I have scans of the article. It does replace any of those things. But the only model equipped with a regular Bolt Rifle that can take it is the Primaris Ancient. Lieutenants and Captains can replace their Master-Crafted Auto or Stalker Bolt Rifles though.

Because of the relic Bolt Rifle, I can't decide if I want to replace one of my Power Sword Lieutenants with an Auto Bolt Rifle Lieutenant or Stalker Bolt Rifle Lieutenant. It is pretty strong. But I am probably going to ignore it and give the relic Standard to the Primaris Ancient in my army. Well worth the -1CP for the additional relic (because I have a Power Fist on my Primaris Captain).


AH I guess I wasnt understanding what point you were trying to make.

I might spend the CP to get that Relic Bolter on an LT to baby sit, after spending 2 more CP to make them Liberators and give him the second WL Trait.


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Post by: Slayer-Fan123


Lemondish wrote:
LT carrying that bolt rifle relic is saucy - an HQ able to benefit from No Matter the Odds. Pity he can't act like a Sergeant and also carry a power weapon to make use of that 2+ WS and multiple attacks...

Come on GW, one more Primaris LT sculpt? Only with a sword AND rifle this time


You could actually have two HQ units benefitting from that, what with Primarchs Wrath and this weapon.

Unfortunately there's not a lot of instances for a Captain to benefit unless there's a bunch of stacking of -1 to hit. Lieutenants will get the most out of it.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


I am curious, how does Refuse to Die interact with an Ancient's banner ability or the Only In Death Does Duty End Stratagem? If I have a Captain with Refuse to Die and they get slain, and I trigger Only In Death Does Duty End to fight as if it is the Fight Phase, then I use the Refuse to Die ability at the end of the phase, and the Captain gets back up. Am I getting the sequencing right? It sounds like the Captain could use Only In Death Does Duty End a second time when he dies, right?

This seems like it would be great with the Fist of Vengeance on a Captain. A damn near neverending stream of freeish attacks!


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Post by: Lemondish


Irbis wrote:The sad part is, there is already one but for some stupid reason that loadout wasn't made available to all chapters unlike all the other LTs...


Was wracking my head with who you were talking about until I realized it was good ol' Haldor, right? Guy wouldn't get the relic anyway :(

casvalremdeikun wrote:I have scans of the article. It does replace any of those things. But the only model equipped with a regular Bolt Rifle that can take it is the Primaris Ancient. Lieutenants and Captains can replace their Master-Crafted Auto or Stalker Bolt Rifles though.

Because of the relic Bolt Rifle, I can't decide if I want to replace one of my Power Sword Lieutenants with an Auto Bolt Rifle Lieutenant or Stalker Bolt Rifle Lieutenant. It is pretty strong. But I am probably going to ignore it and give the relic Standard to the Primaris Ancient in my army. Well worth the -1CP for the additional relic (because I have a Power Fist on my Primaris Captain).


If you intend to use the relic rifle, I suggest just saving the extra point and going auto over stalker. The stalker is still inexplicably more expensive, I think.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


Yeah, especially since the regular Stalker Bolt Rifle is free and the Auto Bolt Rifle costs points. For some odd reason (GW not paying attention, I am sure), the Master-Crafted Stalker costs a point more than the Master-Crafted Auto. The Auto is generally better without the relic, so that is generally the way I go anyway.


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Post by: NAVARRO


Hi guys I had to get the "NEW" WD, it's the New year after all

My casual review is here:

http://mr-bugman.blogspot.com/2019/01/new-year-new-white-dwarf.html

Mind Its just from a painter/sculptor point of view.
I really enjoyed the WD to be honest, I was positively surprised with it.

There was some cracking paint jobs there and I took some pictures heres a one.

Happy new year






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Post by: Brother Castor


Bought my copy today...

Initial impressions are good. I'm pleased to see that the WH40K section is 51 pages, however AoS seems to have a much more substantial rules supplement. Disappointingly the Crimson Fists rules seem to just be a couple of warlord traits, stratagems and relics. It would have been nice to have a datasheet or two, maybe a new character. Trouble is, GW seem obsessed with Primaris and their limited units/lack of characters make that unlikely.

I'll reserve judgement until I've read it all though.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Brother Castor wrote:
Bought my copy today...

Initial impressions are good. I'm pleased to see that the WH40K section is 51 pages, however AoS seems to have a much more substantial rules supplement. Disappointingly the Crimson Fists rules seem to just be a couple of warlord traits, stratagems and relics. It would have been nice to have a datasheet or two, maybe a new character. Trouble is, GW seem obsessed with Primaris and their limited units/lack of characters make that unlikely.

I'll reserve judgement until I've read it all though.
I agree. I would have liked to see one special character, such as a Primaris Marine. But it isn't the end of the world. But I would still like to see a Primaris Pedro Kantor at some point.


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Post by: tneva82


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Brother Castor wrote:
Bought my copy today...

Initial impressions are good. I'm pleased to see that the WH40K section is 51 pages, however AoS seems to have a much more substantial rules supplement. Disappointingly the Crimson Fists rules seem to just be a couple of warlord traits, stratagems and relics. It would have been nice to have a datasheet or two, maybe a new character. Trouble is, GW seem obsessed with Primaris and their limited units/lack of characters make that unlikely.

I'll reserve judgement until I've read it all though.
I agree. I would have liked to see one special character, such as a Primaris Marine. But it isn't the end of the world. But I would still like to see a Primaris Pedro Kantor at some point.


Expecting whole new model(s) to accompany white dwarf article is just a wee bit ambitious.


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Post by: Brother Castor


tneva82 wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Brother Castor wrote:
Bought my copy today...

Initial impressions are good. I'm pleased to see that the WH40K section is 51 pages, however AoS seems to have a much more substantial rules supplement. Disappointingly the Crimson Fists rules seem to just be a couple of warlord traits, stratagems and relics. It would have been nice to have a datasheet or two, maybe a new character. Trouble is, GW seem obsessed with Primaris and their limited units/lack of characters make that unlikely.

I'll reserve judgement until I've read it all though.
I agree. I would have liked to see one special character, such as a Primaris Marine. But it isn't the end of the world. But I would still like to see a Primaris Pedro Kantor at some point.


Expecting whole new model(s) to accompany white dwarf article is just a wee bit ambitious.


At least the rules we did get weren't Primaris-specific, and the 6 pages prior to the rules, along with the opening spread contained some classic marine dioramas.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


tneva82 wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Brother Castor wrote:
Bought my copy today...

Initial impressions are good. I'm pleased to see that the WH40K section is 51 pages, however AoS seems to have a much more substantial rules supplement. Disappointingly the Crimson Fists rules seem to just be a couple of warlord traits, stratagems and relics. It would have been nice to have a datasheet or two, maybe a new character. Trouble is, GW seem obsessed with Primaris and their limited units/lack of characters make that unlikely.

I'll reserve judgement until I've read it all though.
I agree. I would have liked to see one special character, such as a Primaris Marine. But it isn't the end of the world. But I would still like to see a Primaris Pedro Kantor at some point.


Expecting whole new model(s) to accompany white dwarf article is just a wee bit ambitious.
I wasn't expecting that at all. I was hoping for a special character based around one of the existing models (basically just giving a name to one of the generic models). A Primaris Pedro would have to be a regular release attached to a book.


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Post by: tneva82


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Brother Castor wrote:
Bought my copy today...

Initial impressions are good. I'm pleased to see that the WH40K section is 51 pages, however AoS seems to have a much more substantial rules supplement. Disappointingly the Crimson Fists rules seem to just be a couple of warlord traits, stratagems and relics. It would have been nice to have a datasheet or two, maybe a new character. Trouble is, GW seem obsessed with Primaris and their limited units/lack of characters make that unlikely.

I'll reserve judgement until I've read it all though.
I agree. I would have liked to see one special character, such as a Primaris Marine. But it isn't the end of the world. But I would still like to see a Primaris Pedro Kantor at some point.


Expecting whole new model(s) to accompany white dwarf article is just a wee bit ambitious.
I wasn't expecting that at all. I was hoping for a special character based around one of the existing models (basically just giving a name to one of the generic models). A Primaris Pedro would have to be a regular release attached to a book.


GW doesn't release rules without models. They release special character X, you can expect model for it. They don't leave it for 3rd parties to make money on the model without them having their own.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


Yeah, I suppose. Though technically those characters would have models, sort of. Oh well. I am still pleased with what Crimson Fists got. I look forward to seeing what other chapters get. I am just hoping that there isn't too much power creep and Crimson Fists don't end up at the bottom of the barrel.


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Post by: the_scotsman


I'm curious about the Kroot kill teams - can anyone shed light on what models they have access to? Is it the whole kroot range, Shaper/Krootox Rider/Kroot Hound/Hunter?


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Post by: terry


the_scotsman wrote:
I'm curious about the Kroot kill teams - can anyone shed light on what models they have access to? Is it the whole kroot range, Shaper/Krootox Rider/Kroot Hound/Hunter?

basic kroot, krootox riders and kroot hounds


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Post by: Brother Castor


Having read the whole WH40K section now I'd give it a big

Are GW suggesting that Index Astartes is going to be a regular feature? Don't get me wrong, I'd buy every edition it's in, but it doesn't seem fair on the other factions...


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Post by: Ghaz


 Brother Castor wrote:
Having read the whole WH40K section now I'd give it a big

Are GW suggesting that Index Astartes is going to be a regular feature? Don't get me wrong, I'd buy every edition it's in, but it doesn't seem fair on the other factions...

Index Astartes is supposedly going to be bi-monthly, alternating with an Age of Sigmar version of the series and won't be exclusively Space Marine articles.