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[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/08 03:56:44


Post by: Thargrim


This is one of the few movies I have to look forward to with any serious interest. Villeneuve has a great track record so far. Isn't this supposed to start filming in budapest this march? I guess they'll just wheel in dozens of trucks worth of sand n dirt and create their own desert in the backlot....lol. Only bummer is no roger deakins, but the dp from rogue one isn't a bad choice.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/08 17:47:51


Post by: AndrewGPaul


I presume Budapest will be for the Calidan and Arrakeen scenes, and the indoors?


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/08 19:10:24


Post by: gorgon


Right. And it's likely that the majority of the first film won't be in the desert. Even the second film should have plenty of indoor scenes. I hope we get a little better glimpse of sietch life in these.

I didn't even have to open the article to know who Bautista was playing. So now we have Paul, Lady Jessica, and Rabban cast. Lots of big roles yet to come...



[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/09 00:09:16


Post by: Alpharius


Always hopeful that a really good DUNE movie can be made!


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/09 00:21:06


Post by: Techpriestsupport


I think david lynch's version suffered from "epic movie syndrome".

I've noticed that in hollywood, there are cases where people try to make the best movie they can, and there are cases where people are out to make an EPIC movie.

Star wars was an effort at making the best movie possible, that was all. Since then every SW movie has had to be an EPIC movie.

Dune was clearly an effort to make an EPIC movie and it kinda collapsed under the the drive to make it one.

Just make the best movie you can, guys, and not overload it with the drive to be an epic movie.



[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/09 01:58:43


Post by: Alpharius


I never watched the SyFy attempt at it - mixed reviews and the few scenes I saw just didn't make me want to put the time in.

Hard to envision how many movies it would take to 'do it right', even if you're only looking to start this whole thing off.

Could be Epic, or it could be a...trainwreck.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/09 02:22:33


Post by: Techpriestsupport


 Alpharius wrote:
I never watched the SyFy attempt at it - mixed reviews and the few scenes I saw just didn't make me want to put the time in.

Hard to envision how many movies it would take to 'do it right', even if you're only looking to start this whole thing off.

Good be Epic, or it could be a...trainwreck.


The SFC versions were lower budget but were better done.

For one thing, the people in it lkooked like they were desert guerilla warriors. Dry skinned, dusty, bad haircuts, etc. The didn't look like they just stepped out of a sauna/makeup parlor.

Also, there were scenes where Mua'dib challenged the fremen way when it was wrong. When most fremen wanted mua'dib to take leadership, he refused to challenge stilgar to a duel and kill him. He said he would not cut off his own right arm, which is what killing stilgar would be like. He told the fremen if they wanted him to be leader, and stilgar agreed to it, he would accept leadership with stilgar as his right arm, but he would not kill stilgar for leadership because it was fooloish and evil to kill a good man when it wasn't necessary.

That was a good scene.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/09 02:26:19


Post by: Alpharius


I remember reading that the SyFy series got a bit worse as it went on - was that the case?



[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/09 02:45:01


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I've seen both versions. The Lynch version is the only one I think of when someone says, "Let's watch Dune." It's the only one I've seen again (and again).

The SFC version might be more book accurate, but that doesn't make it better, or even memorable.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/09 05:03:21


Post by: gorgon


Well sure, in the same way that time I had food poisoning was memorable compared to other times I had a simple stomach flu.

There probably aren't many bigger Dune (the book) OR Lynch fans on this forum than me. There are some cool things about the movie, no doubt. But my god it's a bad film, and it misses just about every important point of the book. It's not even really about being faithful to the source material as it is about being a worse story. It's not all Lynch's fault, as he wanted a 3 hour film and the studio wanted an impossible 2 hour cut.

It was the first and last time Lynch attempted this kind of filmmaking. I don't think he did much after that where he didn't have full creative control.

Villeneuve is a genuine fan of the book, and it's his dream project (compared to Lynch having never read the book before being hired to make the film before the rights expired), and I trust that his adaptation will both be a better film and a more recognizable story.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/09 06:46:55


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Let's hope.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/09 07:12:05


Post by: JohnHwangDD


 Alpharius wrote:
Always hopeful that a really good DUNE movie can be made!


Already done by Lynch.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/09 14:23:36


Post by: gorgon


Lynch's film minimizes or ignores basically every important theme from the book...ecology, religion, etc. The ending is the exact reverse of Herbert's message. That's why it's almost impossible to call it a good DUNE film. Lots of elements are there, but the meat of it is missing.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/09 15:11:11


Post by: Reanimation_Protocol


I have never been so hyped for a film.

Lynchs DUNE is a grand example of a space opera and one that I hold every film up to in comparison, not many pass that test.

I was hoping Valerian would take the mantle but man was I ever disappointed.

Star wars no longer has the heart to take it ... it is capitalism made manifest as a vehicle for cameos.

Start trek is probably the closest - not without its own flaws but they were the best of the last decade.

I don't know of anything else that might compare even after all these years


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/09 16:12:59


Post by: Easy E


AS for Lynch's Dune, has anyone seen Jodorowsky's(SP) DUNE? It was a movie that was never made.... but I think there is a documentary about the pre-production. It would make Lynch DUNE look tame in comparison.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/09 18:00:28


Post by: Necros


I never liked the original Dune movie.. just bores me to sleep every time I try to watch it. Hopefully this one will be better


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/09 18:32:24


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 gorgon wrote:
Lynch's film minimizes or ignores basically every important theme from the book...ecology, religion, etc. The ending is the exact reverse of Herbert's message. That's why it's almost impossible to call it a good DUNE film. Lots of elements are there, but the meat of it is missing.


I'm more than happy for the movie to be its own thing. Dune the book is good. Dune the movie is good. Dune the movie not just being a retread of Dune the book is great.

But, yeah, I think we'll all be happy if the new movie is both good and accurate to the book.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/09 18:46:32


Post by: Yodhrin


I never get that tbh. The whole point of an adaptation is to render the source material in a new medium, and while that almost always requires some changes to account for the chosen medium, if you're not going to at least try and stay true to the source material why bother making an adaptation at all?

I mean, I get why big corporate media outfits like to do it, because they're risk-averse hacks with no regard for anything but money, but if you're a creative? Other than outright satire it just seems like sheer "I can do better than the original" ego tripping.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/09 19:17:23


Post by: redux


This is a neat 3+ hour pile of original, deleted, screen test, etc. footage edited to follow the book.

https://archive.org/details/DuneTheCompleteSagaVimeo


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/10 02:51:10


Post by: Thargrim


So joe walker is going to be the editor of the film, he did the editing for sicario,arrival, blade runner 2049. Plus stellan skarskgard is apparently being cast as baron harkonnen. If this does indeed begin shooting in march i'm sure we will get plenty more news over the coming couple months. I'm more interested in who will do the soundtrack.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/10 03:04:39


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Yodhrin wrote:
I never get that tbh. The whole point of an adaptation is to render the source material in a new medium, and while that almost always requires some changes to account for the chosen medium, if you're not going to at least try and stay true to the source material why bother making an adaptation at all?

I mean, I get why big corporate media outfits like to do it, because they're risk-averse hacks with no regard for anything but money, but if you're a creative? Other than outright satire it just seems like sheer "I can do better than the original" ego tripping.


There are lots of adaptations that differ from their source material for the benefit of Mankind. For example, Nothing Lasts Forever is a forgettable, cheesy airport/dad thriller, but its hugely reinvented adaptation is the greatest Christmas film of all time, Die Hard. The Princess Bride the book is a miserable, spiteful parody of the kinds of stories that The Princess Bride the movie homages and transcended. Starship Troopers the movie was written as a satire that was only fitted retroactively onto the novel because the studio had the rights. Sometimes a work of fiction can inspire a director or writer to create something new, yet not wholly unique. Lynch's Dune has a different feeling from the book, but it's one I happen to like. It's its own thing, and still stands out among science fiction movies.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/10 03:09:10


Post by: ZergSmasher


Stellan Skarsgaard as Baron Harkonnen? He's not that out of shape, is he?


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/10 03:30:09


Post by: JohnHwangDD


 ZergSmasher wrote:
Stellan Skarsgaard as Baron Harkonnen? He's not that out of shape, is he?


Maybe they could flip it and cast Sting as the Baron?

or Axl Rose?


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/10 03:51:40


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I want them to use a CGI Dom DeLouise.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/10 10:06:14


Post by: Yodhrin


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
I never get that tbh. The whole point of an adaptation is to render the source material in a new medium, and while that almost always requires some changes to account for the chosen medium, if you're not going to at least try and stay true to the source material why bother making an adaptation at all?

I mean, I get why big corporate media outfits like to do it, because they're risk-averse hacks with no regard for anything but money, but if you're a creative? Other than outright satire it just seems like sheer "I can do better than the original" ego tripping.


There are lots of adaptations that differ from their source material for the benefit of Mankind. For example, Nothing Lasts Forever is a forgettable, cheesy airport/dad thriller, but its hugely reinvented adaptation is the greatest Christmas film of all time, Die Hard. The Princess Bride the book is a miserable, spiteful parody of the kinds of stories that The Princess Bride the movie homages and transcended. Starship Troopers the movie was written as a satire that was only fitted retroactively onto the novel because the studio had the rights. Sometimes a work of fiction can inspire a director or writer to create something new, yet not wholly unique. Lynch's Dune has a different feeling from the book, but it's one I happen to like. It's its own thing, and still stands out among science fiction movies.


Die Hard isn't called Nothing Lasts Forever and wasn't "sold" as an adaptation very much(if at all) at the time. Starship Troopers is an outright satire, which I mentioned. I've never seen the Princess Bride, but if it claims to be an adaptation of the book and then isn't, it's a bad adaptation, just as Lynch's Dune is a bad adaptation.

Because what you're describing there, that's an homage, not an adaptation. The Orville is an homage, not an adaptation of Star Trek. The MCU is an adaptation of the comics, despite often making quite a lot of changes. The difference is in the intent to honour the source material, and whether it is claimed to honour the source material - which as far as I'm concerned, includes using the title of the original.

If Lynch had made David Lynch's Crazy Worm Rider Dudes, then he would be entitled to have the work considered entirely on its own merits, and might even have been given credit by fans of the books for making an homage to them. But he didn't, he made a Dune movie that had very little to do with Dune, and so he made a bad adaptation. It could be the greatest scifi movie ever made(it is not), and it would still be a bad adaptation of Dune.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/10 15:00:11


Post by: gorgon


 Thargrim wrote:
So joe walker is going to be the editor of the film, he did the editing for sicario,arrival, blade runner 2049. Plus stellan skarskgard is apparently being cast as baron harkonnen. If this does indeed begin shooting in march i'm sure we will get plenty more news over the coming couple months. I'm more interested in who will do the soundtrack.


Nice casting there. I tend to think we'll see a proper calculating Baron in this one instead of whatever Kenneth McMillan was supposed to be in the Lynch film. The Syfy Channel Baron was much closer to the mark.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/10 17:24:50


Post by: JohnHwangDD


WRT The Princess Bride, wasn't the book an adaptation of the movie screenplay? That is, there never was a full TPB book that the movie was based on.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/10 18:16:13


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 JohnHwangDD wrote:
WRT The Princess Bride, wasn't the book an adaptation of the movie screenplay? That is, there never was a full TPB book that the movie was based on.


I think the book came out half a decade before the movie. Either way, they were both written by the same person, apparently in a different headspace. The novel is about a man in a loveless marriage and snarks at the very concept of true love, while the movie plays it much more straight and upbeat. I'm somewhat afraid that the screenplay was written from a place of deep cynicism, but I prefer to think the writer overcame his issues instead.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/10 18:42:19


Post by: JohnHwangDD


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 JohnHwangDD wrote:
WRT The Princess Bride, wasn't the book an adaptation of the movie screenplay? That is, there never was a full TPB book that the movie was based on.


I think the book came out half a decade before the movie. Either way, they were both written by the same person, apparently in a different headspace.


Right, but no "full" version exists as alluded to in the introduction. Just the short version that got filmed. It's been a long time since I've read TPB, and just as long since I've read Dune.

Still, with the way that things are now, Dune is ripe for a remake into a giant media franchise spanning several full-length movies, with all of the licensing and merchandise to follow. And unlike other projects, it's not like there isn't a wealth of material to work with. The Dune series is a HUGE amount of text.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/10 19:35:39


Post by: gorgon


I think only the original trilogy is potentially suited for a movie franchise, however. The second trilogy gets...trippier. It's not general audience-friendly, IMO. The prequel books are what they are. Some of that might be more like TV miniseries material.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/10 20:12:08


Post by: JohnHwangDD


 gorgon wrote:
I think only the original trilogy is potentially suited for a movie franchise, however. The second trilogy gets...trippier. It's not general audience-friendly, IMO. The prequel books are what they are. Some of that might be more like TV miniseries material.


OTOH, it's not like the Hobbit didn't somehow transform into THREE giant movies.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/10 20:20:20


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 JohnHwangDD wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 JohnHwangDD wrote:
WRT The Princess Bride, wasn't the book an adaptation of the movie screenplay? That is, there never was a full TPB book that the movie was based on.


I think the book came out half a decade before the movie. Either way, they were both written by the same person, apparently in a different headspace.


Right, but no "full" version exists as alluded to in the introduction. Just the short version that got filmed. It's been a long time since I've read TPB, and just as long since I've read Dune.


uh, what do you mean no full version? The novel within the novel is entirely fictional. The book by S. Morgenstern is as real and complete a text as Lovecraft's Necronomicon: it only exists as collection of "good parts".*

* Not counting the various "Necronomicon" facsimiles that have been written since the 70's. I've got the Simon Necronomicon and the Hays Necronomicon, and while complete books neither of them feels authentic to what Lovecraft intended.


Still, with the way that things are now, Dune is ripe for a remake into a giant media franchise spanning several full-length movies, with all of the licensing and merchandise to follow. And unlike other projects, it's not like there isn't a wealth of material to work with. The Dune series is a HUGE amount of text.


I would love to see a Dune Cinematic Universe that covered the entirety of Frank Herbert's canon.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/10 20:29:54


Post by: gorgon


 JohnHwangDD wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
I think only the original trilogy is potentially suited for a movie franchise, however. The second trilogy gets...trippier. It's not general audience-friendly, IMO. The prequel books are what they are. Some of that might be more like TV miniseries material.


OTOH, it's not like the Hobbit didn't somehow transform into THREE giant movies.


Sure. They could, for instance, use material from Paul of Dune between their treatments of Dune and Dune Messiah. I'm not sure how many movies Chalamet is signed for though, or how long he's interested in doing Dune movies. There's a real world time factor at work with these franchises.

I still think it's likely that at best we get coverage of the first three books on film. A lot depends on the box office for parts 1 and 2 of Dune.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/10 20:37:15


Post by: JohnHwangDD


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 JohnHwangDD wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 JohnHwangDD wrote:
WRT The Princess Bride, wasn't the book an adaptation of the movie screenplay? That is, there never was a full TPB book that the movie was based on.


I think the book came out half a decade before the movie. Either way, they were both written by the same person, apparently in a different headspace.


Right, but no "full" version exists as alluded to in the introduction. Just the short version that got filmed. It's been a long time since I've read TPB, and just as long since I've read Dune.


uh, what do you mean no full version? The novel within the novel is entirely fictional. The book by S. Morgenstern is as real and complete a text as Lovecraft's Necronomicon: it only exists as collection of "good parts".

Still, with the way that things are now, Dune is ripe for a remake into a giant media franchise spanning several full-length movies, with all of the licensing and merchandise to follow. And unlike other projects, it's not like there isn't a wealth of material to work with. The Dune series is a HUGE amount of text.


I would love to see a Dune Cinematic Universe that covered the entirety of Frank Herbert's canon.


Yeah, the unabridged "S. Morgenstern version" with ALL of the parts - it's mentioned, but doesn't exist.

I hope Dune 1 does well enough to get more of the story told.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/12 00:48:21


Post by: AegisGrimm


Man, it would get seriously adult if they made movies of the Butlerian Jihad. Those books have some pretty intense spots.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/12 02:08:13


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Weren't those written by Herbert's son and KJA?

Why make movies of those divisive books?


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/12 22:16:13


Post by: Manchu


Good question. Some of Herbert’s own novels are divisive enough!


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/14 02:42:55


Post by: AegisGrimm


I only mentioned it in reference to a "Dune cinematic universe", in which they would be the prequels, despite their different tone than the actual Herbert books..


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/14 23:23:33


Post by: Compel


Put me on the list of people that hated the Lynch's version, but adores the two miniseries (I even love the concept of the first miniseries as almost a 'recorded' theatrical production.)

However, I've always had a bit of an unpopular opinion when it comes to Dune.

Dune is ultimately a romance, it's a tale about love. First with Leto and Jessica, then Paul and Chani.

The instigating factor of the series is Jessica and Leto's love for each other. This, I think, is the heart of the book.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/15 21:28:20


Post by: gorgon


Oh sure, and it's those two unions that produce the two most important people of the series. Well, other than maybe Duncan, as it turned out.



[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/17 17:58:55


Post by: Elemental


It's interesting to hear it's going to be two movies. I think it's a good thing, since a story like this really needs room to breathe. Even in the novel, there are some pacing issues after the timeskip, with a lot of plot-critical events happening in rapid succession and not really getting explored.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/29 19:47:21


Post by: Thargrim


So now Oscar Isaac has been cast as Leto Atreides, didn't see that one coming.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/29 20:45:36


Post by: JohnHwangDD


 Thargrim wrote:
So now Oscar Isaac has been cast as Leto Atreides, didn't see that one coming.


He's great, though kinda young for the role.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/29 21:18:49


Post by: gorgon


He’ll be 40 by the time they start shooting.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/29 21:34:49


Post by: JohnHwangDD


LOL, got it!


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/30 20:12:56


Post by: gorgon


Apparently Zendaya tested for Chani.

First (potential) casting that I'm not sure about. I think she has a good look for the role, but I'm not sure about her acting chops. Especially considering some of the talent that will be around her.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/30 21:51:36


Post by: Thargrim


Tbh I didn't know who she was until today, not sure how to feel about it.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/30 22:03:19


Post by: JohnHwangDD


She is the girl from MCU Spiderman!


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/30 22:08:43


Post by: Compel


She feels a little young for Chani. But then again, the cast does.

It kind of feels like a Romeo and Juliet vibe almost. Which, to be fair, is probably more indicative of the books, than the 20 somethings in the miniseries.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/30 22:18:23


Post by: gorgon


Yeah, I think they're definitely looking at younger characters like in the books, just probably parking them around 18 rather than 15. Both Chalamet and Zendaya can easily play 18 year olds.

I approve of this approach. I think their youth is an important part of the story. I'm not sure about this particular actress, but I'll certainly give her a chance.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/30 22:41:19


Post by: JohnHwangDD


If Dune is to spawn a series of sequels like LotR or the Hobbit or Harry Potter, you need young actors & actresses for those roles.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/31 07:06:15


Post by: Breotan


I just want to know how a new Dune movie or series would stand apart from what has been done previously. Lynch's Dune strayed greatly from the source material but kept the spirit and had a good amount of style and grandeur. The mini-series had a less grandeur but the style and most of the story were true to the book.

My main peeve about translating Dune into movie/TV is that in all versions, apparently including this new one, the actor playing Paul is way too old for the part. He's around 14 at the beginning of the book and only ages a few years by the end. Kyle MacLachlan was 25 when he played Paul and Alec Newman was 29. Timothée Chalamet will be 24 when production of the new adaptation begins so he's the youngest of the three but still ten years older than Paul is supposed to be. Still, I suppose Timothée does have the advantage of looking younger than the others, at least.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/31 07:10:19


Post by: Thargrim


 Breotan wrote:
I just want to know how a new Dune movie or series would stand apart from what has been done previously. Lynch's Dune strayed greatly from the source material but kept the spirit and had a good amount of style and grandeur. The mini-series had a less grandeur but the style and most of the story were true to the book.

My main peeve about translating Dune into movie/TV is that in all versions, apparently including this new one, the actor playing Paul is way too old for the part. He's around 14 at the beginning of the book and only ages a few years by the end. Kyle MacLachlan was 25 when he played Paul and Alec Newman was 29. Timothée Chalamet will be 24 when production of the new adaptation begins so he's the youngest of the three but still ten years older than Paul is supposed to be. Still, I suppose Timothée does have the advantage of looking younger than the others, at least.


The problem is finding a kid actor to play a part that requires so much would be hard. I wouldn't want it to feel like a stranger things type kid in space, and we all remember how annoying anakin was in TPM. Going for a more mature actor is a smart decision IMO, will save us from being as annoyed by the character.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/31 07:16:52


Post by: JohnHwangDD


 Breotan wrote:
I just want to know how a new Dune movie or series would stand apart from what has been done previously. Lynch's Dune strayed greatly from the source material but kept the spirit and had a good amount of style and grandeur. The mini-series had a less grandeur but the style and most of the story were true to the book.

My main peeve about translating Dune into movie/TV is that in all versions, apparently including this new one, the actor playing Paul is way too old for the part. He's around 14 at the beginning of the book and only ages a few years by the end. Kyle MacLachlan was 25 when he played Paul and Alec Newman was 29. Timothée Chalamet will be 24 when production of the new adaptation begins so he's the youngest of the three but still ten years older than Paul is supposed to be. Still, I suppose Timothée does have the advantage of looking younger than the others, at least.


Lynch's Dune *looks* like Dune, feels like Dune. That it's not exactly the same as the book is fine, because a lot of written stuff doesn't work as film. It's actually an improvement over the book.

Paul shouldn't be a 14-year-old. 18 is better. OTOH, consider Ender's Game. In the book, how old is Ender? Yeah. Good luck making child soldiers in space work on screen.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/31 16:15:58


Post by: gorgon


 Breotan wrote:
I just want to know how a new Dune movie or series would stand apart from what has been done previously. Lynch's Dune strayed greatly from the source material but kept the spirit and had a good amount of style and grandeur. The mini-series had a less grandeur but the style and most of the story were true to the book.

My main peeve about translating Dune into movie/TV is that in all versions, apparently including this new one, the actor playing Paul is way too old for the part. He's around 14 at the beginning of the book and only ages a few years by the end. Kyle MacLachlan was 25 when he played Paul and Alec Newman was 29. Timothée Chalamet will be 24 when production of the new adaptation begins so he's the youngest of the three but still ten years older than Paul is supposed to be. Still, I suppose Timothée does have the advantage of looking younger than the others, at least.


Yeah, they're probably going to move the age of Paul and Chani up to about 18 so it's not awkward when they start making babies. And he can easily play a 'movies 18'.

Spoiler:


They even look like they could be father and son there.

Lynch's movie ditched almost every important theme from the book -- ecology, religion, etc. -- and added stuff like weirding modules that detracted from the story (the Fremen were formidable because Paul and Jessica trained them and exploited their beliefs to launch a holy war, not because they had a magic technology). The main antagonist of the book -- a highly intelligent, manipulative schemer -- was turned into a buffoon. And Paul being a superhuman that can make it rain quite literally gets the whole story wrong. We could go on and on.

It's not a matter of a medium-to-medium translation losing things...it's that the movie just makes things different or wrong, and it's a poorly-told story with all the cuts. People are certainly allowed to like it. The cast is good and there was a lot of good design work. But there are really good reasons why everyone involved with this keeps saying that it's an adaptation of the book and not a 'remake' of Lynch's film.

The miniseries was a better effort, no doubt. There were certainly things that bugged me (sietches being in the open air?), but that's starting to edge into 'nerd stuff' territory, and it should be given credit for trying to include the right themes. What this film can do is tell the story more accurately like the miniseries, but have the budget like the Lynch film to do everything better.




[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/01/31 18:13:03


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Lynch's movie has the ecology and religion in there - it's just not spelled out the same way or in the detail as the book, because it can't be done that way. It's the same reason no Moby Dick movie has ever done Cetology, even though it's a full chapter in the book.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/01 03:54:35


Post by: Manchu


There’s a full chapter on the cultural connotations of the color white, as well.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/01 21:07:59


Post by: Thargrim


Javier Bardem has apparently been cast as Stilgar.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/01 21:50:46


Post by: gorgon


Wow. It's now a better cast than Lynch's film. Zendaya sticks out in a Katie-Holmes-in-Batman-Begins way, but I'll trust Villeneuve's instincts, since Chani is an important character to get right.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2187/02/06 19:05:02


Post by: SamusDrake


 gorgon wrote:
Wow. It's now a better cast than Lynch's film. Zendaya sticks out in a Katie-Holmes-in-Batman-Begins way, but I'll trust Villeneuve's instincts, since Chani is an important character to get right.


Impossible. Captain Picard is not in the new one.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/06 19:27:45


Post by: JohnHwangDD


SamusDrake wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
Wow. It's now a better cast than Lynch's film. Zendaya sticks out in a Katie-Holmes-in-Batman-Begins way, but I'll trust Villeneuve's instincts, since Chani is an important character to get right.


Impossible. Captain Picard is not in the new one.


Nor Sting!


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/06 21:49:14


Post by: SamusDrake


 JohnHwangDD wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
Wow. It's now a better cast than Lynch's film. Zendaya sticks out in a Katie-Holmes-in-Batman-Begins way, but I'll trust Villeneuve's instincts, since Chani is an important character to get right.


Impossible. Captain Picard is not in the new one.


Nor Sting!


Indeed!

"I WILL KILL HIMMMMM!!!"


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/13 20:09:38


Post by: Thargrim


Josh Brolin joined the cast as Gurney. How much of a budget does this movie have, I feel like they're spending it all on actors that aren't all that obscure.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/13 20:52:29


Post by: gorgon


 Thargrim wrote:
Josh Brolin joined the cast as Gurney.


BOOM. Another great casting. They're crushing it.

Oh, and Sting sucks as an actor. Will be interesting to see who plays Feyd-Rautha in this one. The guy in the miniseries seemed like too much of a meathead, while Sting was...too much Sting hamming it up. A relative unknown may suffice here.

How much of a budget does this movie have, I feel like they're spending it all on actors that aren't all that obscure.


*shrug* It's their money to spend. Besides, this project is becoming something that actors may want to be attached to. Talent attracts talent. They might not all be asking for their customary top dollar.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/13 21:03:02


Post by: BrookM





Next week they're delving into the world itself proper.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/13 22:14:08


Post by: SamusDrake


Looking forward to this as Dune is brilliant. I love the Lynch movie, fond of the TV series and think the games are sheer brilliance. Sigh...I'm addicted to Dune 2000! Cryo's dune is a master piece in game design...

The original Herbert books are a bit heavy going, and sometimes feel like a chore to read. There is no denying that they are brilliant, but I honestly could not say I was able to take in about 50% of them...it was like a chapter of waffle which ends on an amazing revelation. The Brian & Kevin books weren't as much food for thought but damn they were good page turners! So addictive!

Favourite bit in the fluff is Erasmus and his "son" Gilbertus. Its screwed up but somehow it feels like a genuine father-son relationship. Kind of like Terminator 2 "of all the would-be fathers, only this machine measured up..."


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/13 22:24:36


Post by: gorgon


The thing I'd like explained about the books is what Frank's plan was for (book spoilers ahead)...

Spoiler:
...introducing the machines. Brian and Kevin wrote the conclusion to the series based on Frank's notes, which finally explained what the Honored Matres and company were running from. It was the return of the old machine enemy...fine.

But as maligned as Brian and Kevin's books were, at least they used their many prequels to properly introduce Erasmus and Omnius. Which then paid off when they rolled out Hunters and Sandworms. I'm not sure that Frank would have gotten to the same place just by introducing them in Book 7 (and potentially 8). If that makes sense.


Maybe they've talked about it elsewhere, but I always thought it interesting that Frank apparently just planned to unveil the big bad for the first time in Book 7. *shrug*


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 0017/03/01 10:46:25


Post by: AndrewGPaul


I think if Frank Herbert had introduced the machines as the lurking antagonist, it wouldn't have been the digital moustache-twirling idiots that we ended up with.

It could quite possibly have been a more faceless enemy, and the exposition required could come from the memories of the various characters. One of the main themes of the series was the importance of human consciousness, so having a soulless machine being the foe works well with that. Possibly as something more akin to the initial conception of the Borg or the Matrix. A machine mind running on the suppressed minds of the humans it assimilates, all attempting to create a more and more prefect prescient intelligence - again in conflict with the prescience-free evolution of humanity that Leto II was bulding towards.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/14 14:34:01


Post by: gorgon


A faceless enemy occurred to me, but then you still have the problem of the old couple. Of course, Frank may have had other plans, but Brian and Kevin co-opted them to fit their thing. I thought most signs pointed to them being Tleilaxu anyway.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/14 23:39:40


Post by: Thargrim


So Jason Momoa is in talks to be Duncan Idaho, now this one i'm not too sure about. I'm not a big fan of him, never seen him do anything where he seemed like a good actor. He's a bit cartoonish to me, something about his face. They need to start casting some less known people in this movie before it becomes a circus.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/15 01:03:36


Post by: gorgon


Momoa certainly isn’t a classic character actor, but he has more range than people give him credit for. Duncan needs to be a charismatic - instantly likeable - and intense guy, and Momoa has that. I trust Villeneuve that he won’t be having him bro-dude his way through the story.

That is a really big role though, considering everything that comes later. It occurs to me that Oscar Issac would also have been an outstanding Duncan.

I disagree completely about the cast. Give me more good actors working with more good actors.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/15 01:18:32


Post by: Thargrim


I dunno, I didn't even like him in GoT. But then again if anyone can get a good performance out of him it's Villeneuve and his direction. He's only in talks as well so it could change before they start shooting.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/15 02:03:06


Post by: gorgon


All I know is I have a mental image of Momoa and Brolin in bodyshields kicking the hell out of Sardaukar together, and it’s awesome.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/15 03:00:41


Post by: Asherian Command


Jason Momoa joins the cast too! damn this project is looking amazing. I hope the images and cinematography is stellar and the story top notch. I really hope its good for a change.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/15 03:57:54


Post by: Lance845


With all the people involved i think it will be really good. I also think it's going to 100% bomb in the box office.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/15 09:01:02


Post by: AndrewGPaul


 gorgon wrote:
Momoa certainly isn’t a classic character actor, but he has more range than people give him credit for. Duncan needs to be a charismatic - instantly likeable - and intense guy, and Momoa has that. I trust Villeneuve that he won’t be having him bro-dude his way through the story.


I don't see why not, since that's what Duncan Idaho did for his short presence in the novel.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 gorgon wrote:
A faceless enemy occurred to me, but then you still have the problem of the old couple. Of course, Frank may have had other plans, but Brian and Kevin co-opted them to fit their thing. I thought most signs pointed to them being Tleilaxu anyway.


I'd always put them down as being some sort of evolved Face Dancers - wasn't there an implication that the Face Dancers were really running things on Tleilax anyway? I never made it as far as the sequel novels by Pinky and the Brian; I crashed out of the Butlerian Jihad series before they even started with the sequels. I'll just stick with the Encyclopedia, non-canon as it may be.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/16 02:01:09


Post by: Thargrim


So the release date has been set at Nov 20, 2020. That feels so far away to me lol.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/16 02:19:52


Post by: SlaveToDorkness


Hopefully it will give us a respite from the Hell On Earth the 2020 election will inevitably be. lol


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/16 04:40:31


Post by: Voss


 gorgon wrote:
Momoa certainly isn’t a classic character actor, but he has more range than people give him credit for. Duncan needs to be a charismatic - instantly likeable - and intense guy


Does he? Duncan's presence in the first book is really minimal.
He's already gone at the beginning
He pops in for literally a handful of pages to introduce Stilgar and set up the very basics of trust and a potential future alliance with the Fremen. (which is based on obeying their customs, not being charismatic)
Then he's recalled and quickly removed from the board in Paul and Jessica's... passage.

If the film evolves into a series, he'll obviously matter a lot more (to the point of becoming the main character several thousand years down the line), but in Dune itself Momoa will functionally have a cameo.

And ironically for casting Momoa-the-action-star, later incarnations of Duncan rarely have any action scenes. Well, except for the 'action' scenes, but the BGs basically keep him permanently in a box. The second incarnation is basically a mystic philosopher
Spoiler:
turned bureaucrat/scorned husband
which, while I really liked Momoa in Stargate: Atlantis, that might be a little past his reach.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/16 07:51:11


Post by: kodos


I am a little bit sceptical about casting more famous actors as this only a good idea if ghe role the should play match the last films they made
If people go jnto the movie to see Aquaman in Space the will be disappointed no metter if the movie us goid or not


For the movie itself it is difficult, I love Lynchs version of the story
not because it covers Dune very well but because it is a good movie by itself

For later versions of Dune I always find it kind of sad that inner thoughts/monologue was turned into dialogues that not really fitted the scenes but need to be done to explain what the character was thinking

PS:
And there are different cuts of Lynchs Dune available.
of course most people know the original cinema version and the extended TV version but there is also the Alternative Edition (redux) wich is a mix of both
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94d77kdmOvU


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/16 14:36:39


Post by: gorgon


Voss wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
Momoa certainly isn’t a classic character actor, but he has more range than people give him credit for. Duncan needs to be a charismatic - instantly likeable - and intense guy


Does he? Duncan's presence in the first book is really minimal.
He's already gone at the beginning
He pops in for literally a handful of pages to introduce Stilgar and set up the very basics of trust and a potential future alliance with the Fremen. (which is based on obeying their customs, not being charismatic)
Then he's recalled and quickly removed from the board in Paul and Jessica's... passage.

If the film evolves into a series, he'll obviously matter a lot more (to the point of becoming the main character several thousand years down the line), but in Dune itself Momoa will functionally have a cameo.


The studio isn’t going to begin this kind of enterprise without looking toward it becoming a film franchise, or without having the main actors signed for multiple films. So yes, this is a very big casting because he will have been chosen with the future in mind. It isn’t just about this film.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/16 20:10:02


Post by: Voss


 gorgon wrote:
Voss wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
Momoa certainly isn’t a classic character actor, but he has more range than people give him credit for. Duncan needs to be a charismatic - instantly likeable - and intense guy


Does he? Duncan's presence in the first book is really minimal.
He's already gone at the beginning
He pops in for literally a handful of pages to introduce Stilgar and set up the very basics of trust and a potential future alliance with the Fremen. (which is based on obeying their customs, not being charismatic)
Then he's recalled and quickly removed from the board in Paul and Jessica's... passage.

If the film evolves into a series, he'll obviously matter a lot more (to the point of becoming the main character several thousand years down the line), but in Dune itself Momoa will functionally have a cameo.


The studio isn’t going to begin this kind of enterprise without looking toward it becoming a film franchise, or without having the main actors signed for multiple films. So yes, this is a very big casting because he will have been chosen with the future in mind. It isn’t just about this film.


Well, from that perspective, he seems like a horrible fit. Can you really picture Momoa calming reciting 'Zen-sufi' aphorisms and homilies for half of Dune Messiah's run time? Or doing a convincing Mentat bit?
For that matter, can you see the audience reaction when he pops up twice in the first one before his head gets cracked open all over the landing platform? That might be a fun reaction to watch, but if someone is just following the name, they're going to leave disappointed.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/16 22:44:08


Post by: gorgon


He'll do just fine. And I trust the people involved with this. I'm not about to wring my hands over this cast or spend the next two years developing dire scenarios.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/17 04:06:26


Post by: Voss


 gorgon wrote:
He'll do just fine. And I trust the people involved with this. I'm not about to wring my hands over this cast or spend the next two years developing dire scenarios.


Dire scenarios? The worst a Dune movie can do has already happened.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/19 23:32:11


Post by: Thargrim


David Dastmalchian will be Piter De Vries. Not surprised to see him get a role in another movie made by Denis.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/20 04:45:29


Post by: Stormatious


Opps, i posted this in the wrong thread, sorry.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/20 14:33:58


Post by: gorgon


 Thargrim wrote:
David Dastmalchian will be Piter De Vries. Not surprised to see him get a role in another movie made by Denis.


I like that casting also. He has an odd way about him and some darkness that should work for a twisted mentat.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/20 21:50:54


Post by: SamusDrake


Any word on who is doing the music?


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/21 04:59:51


Post by: Thargrim


SamusDrake wrote:
Any word on who is doing the music?


Not yet, but that is the one announcement i'm most curious about. If Johann Johannsson was still alive I would have assumed it would be him. But he's passed away and he was Denis go to guy when it came to music. He could end up doing Wallfisch/Zimmer again, or who knows...it'll be interesting to see though.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/21 19:27:47


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


Very excited for this movie. The casting looks mostly spot on so far, although I’m not sure about Jason Mamoa.

I’m waiting with a little trepidation for the casting of the Emperor Shaddam. He’s an important character in the book and previous versions have totally miscast him with actors who were far too old.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/26 21:04:20


Post by: Thargrim


It was announced today Funcom will be making games set in the Dune universe including an open world multiplayer. They did Conan Exiles so there is a chance we could get a passable Dune video game within the next couple years or so.Other than that, hoping for more casting news later in the week.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/26 22:01:29


Post by: gorgon


What other biggish roles are left? Thufir, Yueh, Feyd and Shaddam, I guess? Irulan is a very small role, but they could elevate it like the miniseries did. I guess Liet Kynes also.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/02/27 09:23:46


Post by: Thargrim


 gorgon wrote:
What other biggish roles are left? Thufir, Yueh, Feyd and Shaddam, I guess? Irulan is a very small role, but they could elevate it like the miniseries did. I guess Liet Kynes also.


Nothing of much significance in terms of screentime, but it's still cool to see the smaller roles being fleshed out. Even though they have limited screen time they matter a lot to the world building and dynamic of the movie.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/03/14 11:20:58


Post by: Elemental


This seems like the perfect place to share this.



[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/03/17 18:26:27


Post by: Thargrim


Chang Chen has been cast as dr Yueh. And Oscar Isaac said he doesn't begin filming until may, so by then at the latest they would have started filming. I originally heard march but now i'm not sure about that.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/03/18 19:31:15


Post by: Thargrim


Turns out I was wrong, they started filming today and Hans Zimmer is doing the soundtrack. Hopefully Zimmer doesn't phone it in....

https://www.instagram.com/p/BvKWJtfAIfa/


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/04/11 19:19:21


Post by: gorgon


Josh Brolin shared a short video of the Wadi Rum desert in Jordan where the desert scenes will be filmed. Look at that beautiful red sand! Neither the Lynch movie nor the TV miniseries (shot entirely on soundstages IIRC) really captured the desert, but it looks like this one will.

https://twitter.com/DUNEFAN2020/status/1114551576444776448

Zimmer for the soundtrack! It's an embarrassment of riches!


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/04/11 21:09:35


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


With this much famous talent, this movie has to be terrible. It's the Ishtar effect.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/04/12 14:24:20


Post by: SamusDrake


I agree, Gorgon, that most desert scenes in the 1984 movie was covered with that sodding smoke effect. Its hard to appreciate a good set - even if miniature - when its got crap all over it.

When you think about it, it was two decades after Lawrence of Arabia, and even Star Wars managed to churn out a decent sand planet.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/04/12 20:26:15


Post by: gorgon


Right? That book and series is full of environmental themes, and yet Lynch's film did a pretty poor job of featuring the environment.

I'm a Lynch fan and a Dune fan. But as amazing as the cast, production design, etc., was, on many levels it seems like he never really got the source material regardless of how much he met with Herbert. However, I do recognize that Lynch didn't have the final cut on the film, and that his original cut supposedly was 45 minutes longer with an ending more like the book.

Anyway, this is a passion project for Villeneuve, and I'm very optimistic that it's going to make a big difference in the final result. It also helps to have a studio behind the plan to splilt the book into more than one film.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/04/14 08:36:50


Post by: FabricatorGeneralMike


Man i just hope they keep the same look as the lynch film for the spacing guild. They had them down pat in the lynch movie... also with a little update to the look the spacing guild could pull off the "Admech" look in a 40k movie and the navigator... do i need to say more?

This looks very interesting i cant wait to see more.



[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/04/18 05:04:47


Post by: Thargrim


Lol so Jason Momoa is already in Jordan and he's shaving his beard for the role (he also made sure to make it a 'thing')

Spoiler:



I guess they might film another month or two in Jordan before heading to the Budapest studios.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/04/27 06:53:20


Post by: Thargrim


FIlming in Jordan for the arrakis desert scenes has wrapped as of today, that was pretty quick. Then again, we're probably talking about the last 25-45 minutes of the movie at most. It's kinda hard to say without knowing when during the book they will stop. No leaks worth mentioning either. Though someone did get images of a set that was supposedly being used for "star wars reshoots" during the past two weeks. IMO I think the Dune staff/security purposely misled tourists into thinking they were doing SW reshoots lol.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/04/29 06:43:13


Post by: chromedog


Primary shooting on location is usually the shortest part of film production.

Pre- and POST-Production tend to take the most time. Setbuilding, prop making and location scouting, then adding in any FX work that's needed and adding the score.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/05/02 22:10:54


Post by: KamikazeCanuck


Love Dune but I'm not looking forward to this movie. I just don't think Dune is filmable. Half the time nothing is really happening in the books it's just people thinking.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/05/04 22:27:00


Post by: Thargrim


 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Love Dune but I'm not looking forward to this movie. I just don't think Dune is filmable. Half the time nothing is really happening in the books it's just people thinking.


I honestly don't think it will follow the book as closely as people might be hoping for. Think along the lines of blade runner compared to do androids dream of electric sheep. It's an adaptation that kinda does it's own thing and becomes something else.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/05/05 00:10:03


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Thargrim wrote:
 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Love Dune but I'm not looking forward to this movie. I just don't think Dune is filmable. Half the time nothing is really happening in the books it's just people thinking.


I honestly don't think it will follow the book as closely as people might be hoping for. Think along the lines of blade runner compared to do androids dream of electric sheep. It's an adaptation that kinda does it's own thing and becomes something else.


But...but that was what Lynch did! And we hates him for it!

I'll give the film five stars if part of the adaptation process includes "killing words" or Weirding Modules.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/05/05 00:42:38


Post by: Compel


Personally I loved the Dune miniseries theatrical approach to this.

Where the various "people thinking" scenes were acted out as if they were Shakespearian soliloquies.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/05/05 20:15:34


Post by: Thargrim


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Thargrim wrote:
 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Love Dune but I'm not looking forward to this movie. I just don't think Dune is filmable. Half the time nothing is really happening in the books it's just people thinking.


I honestly don't think it will follow the book as closely as people might be hoping for. Think along the lines of blade runner compared to do androids dream of electric sheep. It's an adaptation that kinda does it's own thing and becomes something else.


But...but that was what Lynch did! And we hates him for it!

I'll give the film five stars if part of the adaptation process includes "killing words" or Weirding Modules.


Funny enough for a Lynch film it didn't even feel like one. I don't think Lynch got to make the movie he wanted. Denis however seems to have the means and at least more freedom to do what he wants. Not sure if he gets final cut though...it would be interesting to find that out.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/05/06 14:18:44


Post by: gorgon


 Thargrim wrote:
 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Love Dune but I'm not looking forward to this movie. I just don't think Dune is filmable. Half the time nothing is really happening in the books it's just people thinking.


I honestly don't think it will follow the book as closely as people might be hoping for. Think along the lines of blade runner compared to do androids dream of electric sheep. It's an adaptation that kinda does it's own thing and becomes something else.


I'm going to take the other side of that and say that it's reasonably true to the book...along the lines of the miniseries rather than the film. Definitely closer than Jodorowsky's wacky version.

And I trust that -- unlike Lynch -- Villeneuve understands Dune enough not to introduce contrivances like 'weirding modules'. It's not that they aren't in the books. It's that they serve to lose the point about why the Fremen are so formidable.




[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/05/06 14:37:13


Post by: lifeafter


I think everyone is underestimating how visionary Villenueve is. He's going to be brave and deviate from Herbert's book in ways Lynch wasn't willing to. Here are some of my predicitions:

Spoiler:
Dr. Yueh dies from slipping in the shower before he can implement his treachery. Duke Leto then begins the long process of integrating the Freeman into Arrakis society through a 10 point bureaucratic plan involving education reform, economic stimulus, and neighborhood outreach. The movie will focus on interconnected uplifting stories of disaffected youth and working class people finding purpose in the new opportunities Duke Leto's actions bring about. Not a single shot needs to be fired for this film to be a success. I suppose there will still be a few scenes that give lip service to Spice and Worms, but these are going to be background elements thrown in for fans of the books. The CGI budget will be primarily used on ornithopter scenes where Duke Leto surveys progress on his infrastructure projects. Hans Zimmer's talents will be used for balancing sound levels in the Eye of the Tiger montage scenes; montages of community building, of course.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/05/13 20:50:32


Post by: Thargrim


Skarsgard said he will be spending 6+ hours a day in the makeup chair for fat man prosthetics. I wonder if they'll have him flying around too. I kinda hope not...


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/05/14 20:15:10


Post by: gorgon


Well, that's a healthy way to put on weight. In contrast, Kenneth McMillan packed on real pounds in the Lynch film from CHEWING EVERY PIECE OF SCENERY IN SIGHT.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/05/14 21:20:11


Post by: SamusDrake


Stellan is going to be playing Vladimir? Kewl.

And yes, he does need to be flying around the shop!


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/05/24 03:32:00


Post by: Thargrim


It seems they will be filming a bit in Arcadia (Greece). I'm betting that will be for the Caladan stuff at the beginning.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/05/24 15:00:30


Post by: gorgon


That's awesome.

Spoiler:


Add a Castle Caladan on the hill, and that'd look like Caladan to me.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/05/30 23:36:51


Post by: Thargrim


Well the greece location was taken off IMDB, so now that's up to question. Maybe someone made an error. But we have the first banner/teaser image for the movie, from the licensing expo next week. Being teased with legendary pictures other stuff.

Spoiler:






Whether more will be shown next week is unknown, I think it's too early to see any real images of the set/actors in costume but who knows. It might be a no phones allowed thing too so I don't expect to see anything.


[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/06/10 21:48:41


Post by: Thargrim


We are new getting a kind of streaming series for Dune, focusing on the bene gesserit. Pilot episode will be directed by Denis Villeneuve, so this will tie into the new movies.

https://deadline.com/2019/06/dune-the-sisterhood-series-warnermedia-streaming-service-1202630479/

Seems like they are going all out with this Dune stuff.





[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows - discuss it here! @ 2019/06/10 21:50:22


Post by: Compel


Hmm, interesting...

It could work too, they mentioned that they do this with "The Purge."

I've never seen it but the typical response I hear about it is along the lines of, "it's better than it has any right to be."