Have you ever committed to not getting a particular miniature for 40k even if yiu could use it and if so why?

I will never get a tesseract vault for my necron army. 160$ for a model? Long after hell freezes over!

Since a c'tan mini only comes with the vault I'll stick to a proxie for it.

Well, let's see how long this one stays open...

40K Warlord titan.

Under no circumstances can I justify spending that much money on resin. I am not even all that keen on the model.

Are you asking specifically about stuff we would actually like, but for other reasons are consciously avoiding, or for stuff we won't ever get for any reason at all? Because the list of stuff I won't ever get is huge.

Just to avoid not giving a specific answer, I'm going to say Khorne Lord of Skulls, because it's probably the worst model I've ever seen Games-Workshop produce.

I'm going to answer in the context of "For armies I already collect"

Adeptus Mechanicus
Ironstriders/Dragoons. They are cash expensive but points cheap, look horrendous to build and paint, and you really need about 4 of them to make it worth buying one. I just can't see myself spending £120 on 4 models that I wouldn't enjoy building, even if they would massively improve my army.

Space Marines
Centurions. What is this I dont even

Imperial Guard
Hmmm... much harder to answer... I would have said the super ugly Taurox, but I converted one to have wheels and I'm happy with it now.
Oh yes... Ogryns! Not a fan of those at all. Again, would be mega helpful to my army but you've gotta love the models first, right?

The craptek, sorry, seraptek heavy construct. I was soooo ready to buy it, but once the rules, and points, came out i was soooo disappointed

I will never buy it, unless the rules/points change

A few :

Tyranid Titan - the current and only titan is huge, but I'm really not a fan of its pose. I've also read a lot of reviews on it and its a very poor choice of design for resin when you consider that its holding its whole body on four very long very thin strips of resin. Most that I've seen tend to either spend an age rodding and pinning the legs and/or putting a scenic base under the main chest so that they can hide the fact that they've got a support rod under there.

Tyranid Harridain - I actually like the details over its face and carapace, but its got a very "boxy" design that feels very stiff. For a model at that price I'd like a more dynamic, living pose. The detailing is great, its just the overall pose design.

Infinity miniatures - I actually own some but I've come to the conclusion that I really can't justify nor own any more (and even am considering selling the ones I've got) until I'm VASTLY better at painting than I am now. They are just so thin and small that to paint them to the standard I' be happy with is actually quite a skillful demand.

Tyranid Pyrovore. I just cannot bring myself to, the stigma against them runs deeper than my own damn dna!

Eldar - Non forgeworld avatar. Not a fan of the lipstick effect around his mouth.

Multilators.
No seriously, the model is just ugly.

Tauroxes.

gaunts, the ones holding guns, stupidest design for tyranids holding guns rather than having guns protrude out of their bodies. That is the reason I will never ever collect them.

wulfen, what a slowed pose. FW 30k wolf elites, another blunder by their sculptor team.

The horribly WHFB chaos marauders that were mutated, thank god they were only released for a very short limited time, they looked like some one threw a couple marauder molds with something else and press the print button.

 Big Mac wrote:
gaunts, the ones holding guns, stupidest design for tyranids holding guns rather than having guns protrude out of their bodies. That is the reason I will never ever collect them.

Interesting to note if you look at early Tyranids they were all holding their guns. Over time their guns have more and more become melded and moulded to their bodies to the point where some are not holding a gun, but are a gun.

Warlord Titan in 40k Scale.

I can afford it. I would use it (local group does lots of big Heresy games. Well, I say lots. I mean three or four a year. Which is comparatively lot).

But, it's somewhat beyond my build skills. Plastic? No problem. I'm a demon with Plastic kits. Resin? No. Thank. You. Hate that stuff. Hate it hate it hate it.

Anything Space Marine related. - I strongly dislike them as a faction and I commited myself to never ever play them. Except one Intercessor that came with a White Dwarf or something and I got it for free so it doesn't count. It's just a display model. Made him a Raptor.

Any Imperial Knight - They are ruining the game. Regular knights are kinda acceptable, but the bigger ones should have never existed. Maybe I'll get a regular knight one day, and convert the hell out of it, making it an industrial tree harvestor instead of a silly looking war machine.

Ironstriders/Dragoons, those electrical fanatics who's name I forgot - They are hideous looking models. I'd use a good counts-as or conversion, though.

Taurox, Ratlings, Ogryns, Catachans - same reason as Ironstriders/Dragoons and electrical fanatics.
To be honest, I'm not going to buy any new IG vehicle. I'm reworking my army so it fits my army scheme, so I'm replacing them with converted SdKfzs and PzKpfws

 Silentz wrote:
I'm going to answer in the context of "For armies I already collect"

Adeptus Mechanicus
Ironstriders/Dragoons. They are cash expensive but points cheap, look horrendous to build and paint, and you really need about 4 of them to make it worth buying one. I just can't see myself spending £120 on 4 models that I wouldn't enjoy building, even if they would massively improve my army.

Space Marines
Centurions. What is this I dont even

Imperial Guard
Hmmm... much harder to answer... I would have said the super ugly Taurox, but I converted one to have wheels and I'm happy with it now.
Oh yes... Ogryns! Not a fan of those at all. Again, would be mega helpful to my army but you've gotta love the models first, right?

I'll tell you this as someone who is constantly adding to his goonsquad because they're so much fun in game - dragoons are actually quite enjoyable to build and paint. much, MUCH easier than an onager. Also, if you play other imperial armies, the kit comes with top notch bits if you build it as a Sydonian Dragoon - Lascannons and Autocannons that don't look hideously goofy when fired by imperial guardsmen and allow you to make excellent looking HWTs, hydras, or marine dreadnought arms. When it comes to posing you can easily clip the tubes that lock its legs into one position and repose him, and he's got an open stance so there's no need for subassemblies if that's not your jam.

Love the dragoon. I will most likely end up with a fourth despite 3 being really all I need.

Anything age of sigmar related.

Guardians, those models are very old and very ugly.

The Pyrovore, it's rules are actually quite good but it costs more money than points for failcast.

the_scotsman wrote:

I'll tell you this as someone who is constantly adding to his goonsquad because they're so much fun in game - dragoons are actually quite enjoyable to build and paint. much, MUCH easier than an onager.

Really? I am surprised. They look really fiddly.

Maybe I should get three.

<SIGH> What have you DONE???

Heldrake. Even when it was supposedly the best thing in the Chaos codex I found it too ugly to get one.
GW Obliterators and Mutilators are also very ugly models, but Hitech, Spellcrow and Wargames Exklusive have nice versions so I got these.

 Silentz wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

I'll tell you this as someone who is constantly adding to his goonsquad because they're so much fun in game - dragoons are actually quite enjoyable to build and paint. much, MUCH easier than an onager.

Really? I am surprised. They look really fiddly.

Maybe I should get three.

<SIGH> What have you DONE???

I'd take that with a grain of salt. Out of all the kits I have ever assembled / painted, Dragoons are by far my most hated kit. I hated painting them so much that I gave up on my last one, and it forever shall be a half painted mess.

Don't get me wrong, the model itself looks cool and performs well on the battlefield.

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Are you asking specifically about stuff we would actually like, but for other reasons are consciously avoiding, or for stuff we won't ever get for any reason at all? Because the list of stuff I won't ever get is huge.

Just to avoid not giving a specific answer, I'm going to say Khorne Lord of Skulls, because it's probably the worst model I've ever seen Games-Workshop produce.

Ugliest model?

The Taurox says '...hold my beer'

Anything made of resin by Games Workshop.

I made the mistake of buying some of the Necron characters way back in the day (when they came out). After taking a pretty long break from the hobby, I am trying to build them now and they are awful. Brittle, bent all sorts of ways but the right one, and full of surface issues. I can't believe I spent money on these things.

For Eldar:
Wraithknight - IMHO he doesn't fit other wraith constructs aesthetics at all and is too "chubby" for a proper elvish design, so untill I came up with a concept of how to convert this kit to my liking I won't buy him.
Other than that, modern Vaul's Wrath batteries (old ones are so much better with slight modifications) and current War Walker - Wasp is so much greater looking model than the "stock" one...

For Mechanicus:
Kastelan Robots - I get the fluff concept behind them being so different from the rest of AdMech line, but IMHO those are the most dull and toy looking design choices in the whole 40K range.

Forge World - any Eldar Titan, those are huge plain pieces of resin that begin to look fine when you paint on all those missing details,.. If only Forgeworld would bother to make Craftworld constructs in direction of Boneshees, those would be trully epic.

Horus Heresy Mechanicum, so beautiful, so expensive, I hate resin so much...

The plastic AM are good, no doubt about it, but the Mechanicum are so much better...

I think the only GK models I don't own right now is a land raider, a storm raven and a dreadnought. The way the rules work right now, I know I will never buy a GK land raider.

I never want to work on my Ad Mech Dragoons. They're absolutely horrible to paint.

I'll also throw in another vote for dragoons/balistarii. I wish my opinion mirrored the scotsman on them, but I absolutely hate everything about them right up until they're on the table. They look and play great but you need to get past that they're terrible to buy(expensive), build (fiddly) & paint (I'm painting stuff in sub-assembly and still end up with 15ish parts to paint)

I have 4 of them, realistically I could find use for another 6 but that's just never gonna happen

Imperial Guard Scions.

I do not like the models. At all. I bought some OOP Kasrkin to make a kill team, and am keeping an eye out for more on ebay when they pop up. It would be cool to do a Tempestus Drop Force with all Kasrkin, and someday I may have enough to field one.

Warlord, Centurions, and any of the older phoenix lords.

Phoenix Lords are Ugly as all helk.

Centurions look terrible and are expensive.

Warlord would put me into debt.

 H wrote:
Anything made of resin by Games Workshop.

I made the mistake of buying some of the Necron characters way back in the day (when they came out). After taking a pretty long break from the hobby, I am trying to build them now and they are awful. Brittle, bent all sorts of ways but the right one, and full of surface issues. I can't believe I spent money on these things.

We all know of the Finecast debacle.
Eldar Aspect Warriors are ebay-only for me now, as I have had too many disastrous space marines or Eldar minis. Holes in cloaks, bubbles in prominent places, bending staves and weapons, and on it goes. I will never buy Finecast again.

hobojebus wrote:
Anything age of sigmar related.

Because of models or the system? Because the models are pretty crazy.

 Horst wrote:
Imperial Guard Scions.

I do not like the models. At all. I bought some OOP Kasrkin to make a kill team, and am keeping an eye out for more on ebay when they pop up. It would be cool to do a Tempestus Drop Force with all Kasrkin, and someday I may have enough to field one.

I think the Scions box is the kit where the gap between GW model designers and players is most exposed. They look like there's a wide and varied loadout but in reality there's very little ability to stray from the most basic of loadouts.

Plasma is the worst culprit.

There's ONE plasmagun in the entire box. It's in some weird "underslung" pose held onehanded, unlike any other weapon in the entire game. So they have a free left hand. There is only one left hand in the box that's not holding something... and it's pointing.

So if you use the official plasma guns you've got squads of dudes all pointing at things. Looks ridiculous. You have to chop things off the other 2 usable left arms to give them daggers or something, so they don't look so similar.

Anyway you would never do this, right? Because you can just buy spare plasmaguns! Good luck with that they are like hens teeth. I for you do have plasma from other models you can just swap... OH WAIT all the scion hands in the box are molded to their guns.

You need to either accept they are going to have plasmaguns with a weird on-barrel support handle (from the grenade launcher or flamer) or just be pointing.

Welcome to the Scholarum Tempestus. Here's your timetable for the first day of Scion School.

9am: Assembly
10am: Jumping out of things
11am: Pointing
12pm: Lunch
1pm: Advanced Pointing
2pm: Dying a lot


Basically it's rubbish.

Edit to add that in game they are miles away from the lore as well!

"Tempestus Scions are disciplined, elite special operations soldiers who fight without question or hesitation until their orders are fulfilled. "

As if you would train your best of the best soldiers then send them on "you get to shoot your gun LITERALLY ONCE and then you die" guaranteed suicide missions.

An IK or any superheavy for that matter. They have no place in a regular game and there inclusion is a large part why the game is so out of whack right now in regards to scale.

Never gonna have Guard. They just aren't sci-fi or fantasy enough for me. I'm an escapist, so why would I want to play regular humans in a world where I could play the super humans or "above human" aliens?

Also Dark Reapers. I don't care how "OP" they are right now, they aren't plastic (strike 1) they are a slow unit compared to the lightning fast other units (strike 2) and everyone complains about them (strike 3).
Even before they were the OP hotness they are now, every time I toyed with the idea of converting my own plastic versions of them, I just keep getting put off by them NOT having 12" or more movement.

Keep in mind that even since 4th ed, I've played fast, mostly Jetbike Eldar. The ONLY reason I have Rangers/Gaurdians in my list right now is because GW decided to take away my WR Troops choice. So I need Infantry for a Battalion (not bitter)
But I have often run lists over the years in which no unit had a movement less than 12".
Dark Reapers, even in a Serpent, just grate against my personal theme, so them being "OP" and not plastic pretty much cement them as a unit I don't ever want.

Reaper Launchers on my Autarch Skyrunners are an almost auto-include, however

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Pretty much anything metal. Granted, I know that only the really old 40K models that have had no new sculpts in a decade or two (or three) still have metal in them. And, while I absolutely LOVE the Sisters' Exorcist tank, I just will not deal with anything with metal on it (really don't want to have to deal with pinning them, dealing with paint issues on metal, etc.).

Now, I will admit that I do have like three vehicles from Flames of War that have some metal parts. But, that's pretty much what turned me off to anything metal. Thankfully, the vast majority of new stuff coming from FoW is plastic or a mixture of plastic and resin (both of which I can deal with... though I prefer plastic over resin).

My aversion to having to deal with metal models has kept me away from playing several other tabletop miniature games that honestly look like they might be a lot of fun: Warmachine, Warmachine Hordes, Infinity, Cruel Seas, and I'm sure many others. It's a shame that Privateer Press seemed to be heading down the plastic path in the last few years only to seemingly just stop recasting their metal models in plastic or resculpting them in plastic.

While I know that, for smaller companies, casting in metal is cheaper than other materials, it doesn't make sense for GW to be casting anything in metal anymore.

SG

 Skinnereal wrote:

 H wrote:
Anything made of resin by Games Workshop.

I made the mistake of buying some of the Necron characters way back in the day (when they came out). After taking a pretty long break from the hobby, I am trying to build them now and they are awful. Brittle, bent all sorts of ways but the right one, and full of surface issues. I can't believe I spent money on these things.

We all know of the Finecast debacle.
Eldar Aspect Warriors are ebay-only for me now, as I have had too many disastrous space marines or Eldar minis. Holes in cloaks, bubbles in prominent places, bending staves and weapons, and on it goes. I will never buy Finecast again.

Yeah, when the Harlequin codex came out I bought the last box of old sculpt finecast clowns from my store, figuring hey, these are going out of print, might as well grab the poses.

They have all but disintegrated over 3 years. the ribbons they stand on have all snapped and I've had to rebase, their swords have curled into themselves, and bits of them just casually chip off as they crumble to dust.

The fact I spent money on them is one of the biggest insults I've had in my time in this hobby.

I play a Slaanesh soup, so anything God-aligned that isn't Slaanesh is right out.

For my R&H I will never stoop to Taurox.

Re Heretic Astartes, no (official) Obliterators or Mutilators, no Heldrakes, none of the Special Characters (except Lucius) and NO GODDAMN CULTISTS.

Re Daemons, no Furies.

the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, when the Harlequin codex came out I bought the last box of old sculpt finecast clowns from my store, figuring hey, these are going out of print, might as well grab the poses.

They have all but disintegrated over 3 years. the ribbons they stand on have all snapped and I've had to rebase, their swords have curled into themselves, and bits of them just casually chip off as they crumble to dust.

The fact I spent money on them is one of the biggest insults I've had in my time in this hobby.

Yeah, I had another Necron Lord that I built when it first came out and that thing is utterly destroyed. The arm broke, the staff broke, the dangly bits broke. A total piece of junk,

I have a Forgeworld Keeper of Secrets too, but that seems much less junky. It just happened to take an unfortunate tumble in a long distance move and is now in pieces again. But that damn sword..well, I don't think it will ever be straight. When I get around to putting it back together, I'd likely just try to find a replacement that is plastic or metal.

I don't understand why people hate metal miniatures so much though. I'm not at all an expert modeler, but I never really had issues building metal kits. I'd say the most difficult was the old meta Dark Elf Hydra. Getting the necks to stay took a little time, but that model has been rock soil since. Metal is astronomically harder to convert than plastic, but I've even done small ones on some of my old Sisters of Battle.

I replaced Zarakynel's sword with a whip as Her sword was already beyond repair straight out of the box.

There's pics in my Gallery (Project Marzanna) or my plog, if you want to see how it shakes out.

I guess the models I'll never own for my armies would be:

Craftworlds: I'm probably never going to pick up Shining Spears due to the fact they discontinued the upgrade pack and rammed the price up on old models. I'd much rather make my own. Same goes for Storm Guardians, I don't like them as a unit or how cheap they are in terms of Eldar infantry.

Tyranids: I think there are too many of the new models that I don't like to ever see owning, so much that I don't think I'll ever play Nids again.

Dark Eldar: Dislike Hellions immensely, purely based on the fact I disliked painting Wyches, and they're Wyches on hoverboards.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
I replaced Zarakynel's sword with a whip as Her sword was already beyond repair straight out of the box.

There's pics in my Gallery (Project Marzanna) or my plog, if you want to see how it shakes out.

I'll check that out, thanks. I'm kind of partial to the idea of her having a sword of some kind, but by the time I get around to that army, I might well have changed my mind.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Silentz wrote:
I'm going to answer in the context of "For armies I already collect"

Adeptus Mechanicus
Ironstriders/Dragoons. They are cash expensive but points cheap, look horrendous to build and paint, and you really need about 4 of them to make it worth buying one. I just can't see myself spending £120 on 4 models that I wouldn't enjoy building, even if they would massively improve my army.

Space Marines
Centurions. What is this I dont even

Imperial Guard
Hmmm... much harder to answer... I would have said the super ugly Taurox, but I converted one to have wheels and I'm happy with it now.
Oh yes... Ogryns! Not a fan of those at all. Again, would be mega helpful to my army but you've gotta love the models first, right?

I'll tell you this as someone who is constantly adding to his goonsquad because they're so much fun in game - dragoons are actually quite enjoyable to build and paint. much, MUCH easier than an onager. Also, if you play other imperial armies, the kit comes with top notch bits if you build it as a Sydonian Dragoon - Lascannons and Autocannons that don't look hideously goofy when fired by imperial guardsmen and allow you to make excellent looking HWTs, hydras, or marine dreadnought arms. When it comes to posing you can easily clip the tubes that lock its legs into one position and repose him, and he's got an open stance so there's no need for subassemblies if that's not your jam.

Love the dragoon. I will most likely end up with a fourth despite 3 being really all I need.

Yeah this, really. Plus, I didn't really find the Onager difficult aside from the railing and steps/handles. I mean, you CAN make it difficult if you want by magnetizing all the weapons (which I did and it's a pain).

As for models I'd never own, I think almost all of the Custodes. They all have soooo much going on in their models that they lose their silhouette. They just look like blobs of gold with spear tips and ponytails sticking out the top. There is such a thing as too much!

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I guess the models I'll never own for my armies would be:

Craftworlds: I'm probably never going to pick up Shining Spears due to the fact they discontinued the upgrade pack and rammed the price up on old models. I'd much rather make my own. Same goes for Storm Guardians, I don't like them as a unit or how cheap they are in terms of Eldar infantry.

Yep, those would be the ones I would pick as well. Shining Spears have the double drawback of being both on the older jetbikes and with finecast riders.

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I refuse to buy finecast if it's a model that used to be available in metal - I'd rather trawl eBay for as long as it takes to buy the metal version. The only finecast I'd consider buying would be things that had never been metal, and I would need to really want them to get over my dislike of the material. Like for example, I could see myself buying the finecast Spiritseer out of my Eldar psyker completionism, given that I've got pretty much all of the metal ones.

From the armies I collect there's not really many models I dislike enough aesthetically to not want to buy. Even in most other armies I like most of the options. Some of the ones that I do dislike would be everything in the Space Wolf range that overdoes the wolfiness (Thunderwolves, Wulfen, Santa Grimnar), the Admech electro-priests and most of the generic CSM stuff that's basically like the loyalists with added spikes.

 Skinnereal wrote:
We all know of the Finecast debacle.
Eldar Aspect Warriors are ebay-only for me now, as I have had too many disastrous space marines or Eldar minis. Holes in cloaks, bubbles in prominent places, bending staves and weapons, and on it goes. I will never buy Finecast again.

Yeah, I never bought any, won't bother. Not that I don't already own an excess of metal minis.

In general i avoid finecast, except for the occasional named character.

Other than that? Imperial Guard, and Tau. Horrible factions and have yet to have a good experience with anyone who plays either.

 H wrote:
I don't understand why people hate metal miniatures so much though. I'm not at all an expert modeler, but I never really had issues building metal kits. I'd say the most difficult was the old meta Dark Elf Hydra. Getting the necks to stay took a little time, but that model has been rock soil since. Metal is astronomically harder to convert than plastic, but I've even done small ones on some of my old Sisters of Battle.

I own a vast amount of metal figures, and I find they are the best for monopart infantry. Solid and well-detailed, I really like how they look and play on the tabletop.

The multi-part stuff gets to be a problem, because the inherent warping makes it so that surfaces never really line up just so. It's a lot of work to get a clean, strong joint. Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 H wrote:
I don't understand why people hate metal miniatures so much though. I'm not at all an expert modeler, but I never really had issues building metal kits. I'd say the most difficult was the old meta Dark Elf Hydra. Getting the necks to stay took a little time, but that model has been rock soil since. Metal is astronomically harder to convert than plastic, but I've even done small ones on some of my old Sisters of Battle.

I own a vast amount of metal figures, and I find they are the best for monopart infantry. Solid and well-detailed, I really like how they look and play on the tabletop.

The multi-part stuff gets to be a problem, because the inherent warping makes it so that surfaces never really line up just so. It's a lot of work to get a clean, strong joint. Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

yea. the metal Kasrkin are great to work with, as long as you don't want to convert it. My metal Venerable Dreadnought though.... that thing is great if I suddenly have to defend myself, I can put it in a sock and beat someone to death with it.

Never is a strong word, but I don't see me ever adding a Chaos Predator to my collection. They are way too expensive, and I don't check second-hand markets nearly often enough to stumble across one. Besides that, I don't like aesthetics of them at all. I could tolerate the Rhino as it is basically an APC. However, the Predator is too much of a Bradley Fighting Vehicle and not enough MBT.

Older resin models. I own the terminator version of Calgar, sicarius, a resin brother captain, and the honour guard for Calgar, which had their mold totally messed up.

Most likely Ingold of Gondor from Forgeworld, as I do not want the two models that come with him, and he can't be bought alone.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

Hey, you were told straight up in both the advertising & the instructions that this was a kit for expert modelers.... They weren't wrong.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I own a vast amount of metal figures, and I find they are the best for monopart infantry. Solid and well-detailed, I really like how they look and play on the tabletop.

The multi-part stuff gets to be a problem, because the inherent warping makes it so that surfaces never really line up just so. It's a lot of work to get a clean, strong joint. Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

Well, if there is ever a choice, my choice would always be plastic, no doubt. Every time, no exceptions.

It does take a great deal more work to put together multi-part metals and indeed sometimes the joints are just terrible. But I'd still rather that then brittle, warped resin parts (where sometimes the joins are also bad). Granted, I am biased. I learned how to put together and minorly convert metals, so to me, it isn't a big deal. Good glue, green stuff and good deal of patience generally solved those issues. But my experience in resin is far worse. It's nearly impossible to fix brittle, broken or dissolving resin, to my limited knowledge. And it seems that sometimes it isn't even possible to fix some warping issues.

Maybe I'll change my mind on resin when I finally get around to putting together the big Ultraforge demons I bought years ago. That resin feels light-years better than GW stuff, even just in the package. Although maybe it is a horror to work with too, I don't know. It does seem to dry fit pretty well and it not at all warped, plus does not seem to have any surface issues.

What I do know though, is that despite the fact I am interested in adding Nemesor Zahndrekh and Vargard Obyron to my Necrons, there is absolutely no chance I am spending money on Games Workshop resin.

ccs wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

Hey, you were told straight up in both the advertising & the instructions that this was a kit for expert modelers.... They weren't wrong.

I was thinking of getting one of these as a center piece. What's wrong with the thunder hawk?

The Plagueburst Crawler. It looks far too uniform- like it came off a production line. No, this is a Daemon Engine and should be represented as such. That's why I built 2 of my own.

Mortarion. He should not exist. Simple as. Ignoring the whole "Primarchs shouldn't have 40k rules" anyway, Morty is the most egregious offender to me as he was specifically called out as having never left the Plague Planet (and also giving Typhus his raison d'etre). Then Mat Ward retconned it in the 5th ed GK codex and fethed everything up...

Typhus. Awful pose and completely out of character and inferior to the original pose. Made my own too.

TWC. Awful models. Got some years ago from Masq minis, which are now sadly OOP.

The newer Logan Grimnar. Crap model (not even taking into account of the Santa sleigh). I'll keep the old one TVM...




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 fraser1191 wrote:

ccs wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

Hey, you were told straight up in both the advertising & the instructions that this was a kit for expert modelers.... They weren't wrong.

I was thinking of getting one of these as a center piece. What's wrong with the thunder hawk?

He's talking about the metal Thunderhawk.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Got some years ago

 fraser1191 wrote:

ccs wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

Hey, you were told straight up in both the advertising & the instructions that this was a kit for expert modelers.... They weren't wrong.

I was thinking of getting one of these as a center piece. What's wrong with the thunder hawk?

He's talking about the metal Thunderhawk.

Woah, I'm gonna have to look that up

 fraser1191 wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Got some years ago

 fraser1191 wrote:

ccs wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

Hey, you were told straight up in both the advertising & the instructions that this was a kit for expert modelers.... They weren't wrong.

I was thinking of getting one of these as a center piece. What's wrong with the thunder hawk?

He's talking about the metal Thunderhawk.

Woah, I'm gonna have to look that up

It's from 1997, tail end of 2e. It's a bit smaller than the resin FW kit. It's all white metal, weighs a ton, requires some serious pinning, & sometimes gap filling (mine did anyways). And it was stupidly expensive at the time.
Once FW came out with the resin one the prices dipped for awhile & I snagged one {fairly} cheap. But it's been ages since I last saw one for sale.

ccs wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Something like the 2nd Gen metal Steam Tank is a mistake, while the Thunderhawk Gunship is a disaster - that's what plastic is for!

Hey, you were told straight up in both the advertising & the instructions that this was a kit for expert modelers.... They weren't wrong.

Indeed. But moreso than anything else I'd seen at the time. Entirely made of white metal, no piece larger than 2" square - it's obscenely more complicated than anything else I can think of.

I would have said...

Orgyns, but I have one that was given to me, that never sees the light of day.
or

Terminators, but again, I have ten that inherited from my Space Wolves' previous owner.
or
....

I don't really know, because I actually have quite a few models I theoretically don't like, so I'll go outside the armies I play and just say Wraithknights. They're Eldar so I already don't like their aesthetic, they're large so I'm unlikely to buy one to supply parts for another model, and they're expensive.

Wraithknight.
Any Ynnari idiocy though some models are ok.
New cartoon ork stuff though i waited for cool buggies for 20 years.
Anything Ao$. Stormcaste eternally no. Never. Yuck.

Space marines.

Never will i ever sully my existence with anything from their line. I have a friend who i getting out of 40k with a whole dark angel army. He has offered it for free- already painted and hes a good painter. Will not accept them.
Mind you he offers because he knows i wont take them.

Metal sisters of battle from GW. 200 bucks for 10 jump pack girls. Tell 'im hes dreamin.

Probably that giant expensive titan model that costs over like 2k lol.

Hmm. I'll narrow it to armies I play:

Death Guard: Well, I like almost everything. I would pass on Lord Felthius and his understrength Terminators though.

Orkz: Flash Gitz. Probably a fun kit to build, but... I have enough expensive shooty boyz with lootaz. I also had a miserable time assembling Ork Warbikers.

CSM: Lord of Skulls. Its probably the fact that hes holding the axe in his hand. Way too Power Rangers manga toy for me. If he gets knocked out does this giant heavy 15 foot axe fall to the floor? Chainsaw hands would have been better.

SM: Lots. I wouldn't get any old SM units. I'm all about Primaris. OOO YEA! Drink the Cawl-aid!

Daemons: Probably skip on all the Greater Daemons, gorgeous as they are. My uber unit would either be a proper Tank or a flyer.

Any genuine Orc vehicle.
ALL my Orc vehicles are salvaged from other factions, my Death Skullz are just too good at lootin’.
Mind you, I am guilty of drooling over the Orc flyers, as soon as I find a good looking way of making them look stolen I’ll probably grab one or two.

Thunderwolf Cavalry, no doubt.
I think the idea of power armored marines riding giant wolves absolutely stupid and the minis awful.
And I throw with them Santa Claus Grimnar. I mean come on...

Because I don't buy models I don't like the look of:
Centurians
Those Primaris jump guys
Original Dark Eldar
Custodes
A SoB pipe organ Exorcist
Thunderwolf cav

Because I won't spend the $:
A Warlord+ tian
The 2 legged strider things for the AdMach - not at that price per model.

Because I don't know where I'd put it, or how I'd transport it to a game:
A Tau Manta dropship.

Cyclops Demolition Vehicles - I have never seen anyone use mines in 40K so as cool a concept as they are, it's not practical.

Colossus Bombard - Same reasoning as above really. If I can find someone who wants to do some siege warfare with me I might change my mind, but until then...

 IronSlug wrote:
Thunderwolf Cavalry, no doubt.
I think the idea of power armored marines riding giant wolves absolutely stupid and the minis awful.
And I throw with them Santa Claus Grimnar. I mean come on...

Yes! These! I can't believe I forgot about those garbage Thunderwolves!

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
Have you ever committed to not getting a particular miniature for 40k even if yiu could use it and if so why?

I hate huge models and I wouldn't even consider anything bigger than a land raider, gorkanaut or stormwolf, which means no stompas or FW huge tanks. I also can't stand super heroes and characters that are too big compared to regular infantries. No footslogging dudes of the size of a dread or bigger.

I also avoid very expensive kits, I'd never pay for a single miniature the same cost of a starting collecting. But tipycally even that price is too much for a single miniature, I've only bought three models that were 60ish euro: the land raider crusader, stormwolf and the voidraven bomber, all with a 25% price cut though.

About the aesthetics I'd never buy identical models that aren't vehicles. So no more than a single original talos or grotesque, I converted tons of them. The only models that are identical in my collections are those 3 monopose gretchins, that are just one piece, but I need more than just a single box so I've settled with having multiple identical gretchins, at least they're cheap enough to justify the exception and see the gaming table pretty much everytime.

No finecast models, unless I found something very very cheap on ebay, mostly for converting into something else.

Also no primaris, of course. I don't like them at all. The only miniatures I own that I don't like and I've bought them only for gaming purpose are three drop pods which I'll be happy to sell as soon as possible. I usually avoid buying miniatures that I don't like, even if the army I play must rely on them to be competitive.


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 IronSlug wrote:
Thunderwolf Cavalry, no doubt.
I think the idea of power armored marines riding giant wolves absolutely stupid and the minis awful.

Lol, they're litterally the only reason I started a space marine army

For my Daemon army...Beasts of Nurgle. Expensive, ugly (and. It in the good Nurgle way), and just not worth it to me. They were expensive before and pain to work with (built literally a single one for a friend years ago), but now they’re MORE expensive and uglier. Can’t justify them. I’ll convert one, if I want it. But over a decade since Daemons got their own book and BoN came back as a unit...haven’t gotten one yet and don’t see the need.

Primaris.

As a Blood Angels player I refuse to buy any primaris models. I hate everything about them, they don't fit the rest of my army, and they are an obvious cash grab that I refuse to support with my money.

I also wont buy anything finecast. When I got into 40k one of the first models I ever bought was an Eldar Spiritseer, I had no clue fine cast was a thing and just assumed it would be plastic like my friend's chaos marines. When I saw and felt the model I felt like I was ripped off. It's part of the reason I switched to blood angels, since it's easier to convert the few finecast models for my army out of plastic.

 TechnoWitch wrote:
As a Blood Angels player I refuse to buy any primaris models. I hate everything about them, they don't fit the rest of my army, and they are an obvious cash grab that I refuse to support with my money.

I also wont buy anything finecast. When I got into 40k one of the first models I ever bought was an Eldar Spiritseer, I had no clue fine cast was a thing and just assumed it would be plastic like my friend's chaos marines. When I saw and felt the model I felt like I was ripped off. It's part of the reason I switched to blood angels, since it's easier to convert the few finecast models for my army out of plastic.

Not to try to start an argument, but truescale marines are something that have been highly requested for a very long time. Primaris bring that without forcing us to re-purchase our armies. IT allows the people who want tall marines to have them, and those of us who don't care, to not have to buy new stuff.

As for the topic, I was going to say I'll never own an eldar model, because I just don't like them at all. Then I recalled that I have a few eldar as basing material. That brought me to wonder if there is any model that I despise so much that I would never own for conversion or basing....I can't really think of anything.

Logan's dumb chariot.

-Any Primarch
-Literally anything Tau

Quite a few - all based on looks

Centurions
Wulfen
small Marine flyers
Santa Logan
Grey Knights baby carrier

Anything finecast

Any non-forgeworld space marine model released from sixth edition onward.

 Blackie wrote:

I hate huge models and I wouldn't even consider anything bigger than a land raider, gorkanaut or stormwolf, which means no stompas or FW huge tanks. I also can't stand super heroes and characters that are too big compared to regular infantries. No footslogging dudes of the size of a dread or bigger.

I also avoid very expensive kits, I'd never pay for a single miniature the same cost of a starting collecting. But tipycally even that price is too much for a single miniature, I've only bought three models that were 60ish euro: the land raider crusader, stormwolf and the voidraven bomber, all with a 25% price cut though.

About the aesthetics I'd never buy identical models that aren't vehicles. So no more than a single original talos or grotesque, I converted tons of them. The only models that are identical in my collections are those 3 monopose gretchins, that are just one piece, but I need more than just a single box so I've settled with having multiple identical gretchins, at least they're cheap enough to justify the exception and see the gaming table pretty much everytime.

This basically sums up my views.

The only difference is that even Gorkanauts and Stormwolves are too large for my taste.

 H wrote:

I don't understand why people hate metal miniatures so much though. I'm not at all an expert modeler, but I never really had issues building metal kits. I'd say the most difficult was the old meta Dark Elf Hydra. Getting the necks to stay took a little time, but that model has been rock soil since. Metal is astronomically harder to convert than plastic, but I've even done small ones on some of my old Sisters of Battle.

For me, I dislike metal for a few reasons:

1) Some metal models are a pain to assemble. In fairness, I think it was the older kits that gave me the most trouble, but still.

2) I like converting models and, whilst not impossible, metal is a much more difficult material to work with in that regard.

3) I. Hate. Painting. Metal. Models. It never seems to matter how much time I spend scrubbing them before priming them, they still end up chipping if you so much as cough in their general direction. On more than one occasion I've tried to drybrush a metal model, only to discover that my brush was removing more paint than it was adding.

 vipoid wrote:
For me, I dislike metal for a few reasons:

1) Some metal models are a pain to assemble. In fairness, I think it was the older kits that gave me the most trouble, but still.

2) I like converting models and, whilst not impossible, metal is a much more difficult material to work with in that regard.

3) I. Hate. Painting. Metal. Models. It never seems to matter how much time I spend scrubbing them before priming them, they still end up chipping if you so much as cough in their general direction. On more than one occasion I've tried to drybrush a metal model, only to discover that my brush was removing more paint than it was adding.

Well, like I said, to me, it's a trade off. They are indeed "harder to build" but much harder to break. I think a big part is, I leaned how to deal with the oddities of building metal minis. I haven't found a way around the badness of bad resin (because some warps are just too much to bend back, no matter how warm you get it). Here, I think experiences lead us different conclusions, because my only experience with resin is bad, so overall, I am sour on resin. My overall experience with metal is that it's definitely more of a pain than plastic, but overall, has solvable problems that take time, but can be overcome.

I never had the experience though of paint not sticking though. Back in the day, it was easier for me to get a hold of spray paint, rather than primer, so nearly everything I had was done in Rustoleum Painter's Touch paint. I never had a case where that wouldn't stick and I never washed anything before priming.

Minis from factions which I don´t like namely Tau & Necrons. Why? Take a look in the "how to improve a faction thread".

If we're opening it up to Factions, then <IMPERIUM> is a hard limit, even if I buy Cadians/AM minis.

 H wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
For me, I dislike metal for a few reasons:

1) Some metal models are a pain to assemble. In fairness, I think it was the older kits that gave me the most trouble, but still.

2) I like converting models and, whilst not impossible, metal is a much more difficult material to work with in that regard.

3) I. Hate. Painting. Metal. Models. It never seems to matter how much time I spend scrubbing them before priming them, they still end up chipping if you so much as cough in their general direction. On more than one occasion I've tried to drybrush a metal model, only to discover that my brush was removing more paint than it was adding.

Well, like I said, to me, it's a trade off. They are indeed "harder to build" but much harder to break. I think a big part is, I leaned how to deal with the oddities of building metal minis. I haven't found a way around the badness of bad resin (because some warps are just too much to bend back, no matter how warm you get it). Here, I think experiences lead us different conclusions, because my only experience with resin is bad, so overall, I am sour on resin. My overall experience with metal is that it's definitely more of a pain than plastic, but overall, has solvable problems that take time, but can be overcome.

I never had the experience though of paint not sticking though. Back in the day, it was easier for me to get a hold of spray paint, rather than primer, so nearly everything I had was done in Rustoleum Painter's Touch paint. I never had a case where that wouldn't stick and I never washed anything before priming.

Haven't had nearly as bad of a problem, but I have had paint chip off of models primed with Rust-Oleum after some use.

Agree with resin. I've shopped for and bought space ships made with resin, some are so bad I've considered tossing them. I also have Mk II Marines that need elbows bent to make the Bolters fit.

 H wrote:

Well, like I said, to me, it's a trade off. They are indeed "harder to build" but much harder to break.

That's fair.

 H wrote:
I think a big part is, I leaned how to deal with the oddities of building metal minis. I haven't found a way around the badness of bad resin (because some warps are just too much to bend back, no matter how warm you get it). Here, I think experiences lead us different conclusions, because my only experience with resin is bad, so overall, I am sour on resin. My overall experience with metal is that it's definitely more of a pain than plastic, but overall, has solvable problems that take time, but can be overcome.

Yeah, it sounds like we've just had different experiences.

I've definitely had some bad times with Resin - particularly with the Necron range. On the other hand, I've also had many resin ones - even ones with very small/delicate parts - that have been fine. And some of these allowed me to make conversions that would have been impossible with metal models.

 H wrote:

I never had the experience though of paint not sticking though. Back in the day, it was easier for me to get a hold of spray paint, rather than primer, so nearly everything I had was done in Rustoleum Painter's Touch paint. I never had a case where that wouldn't stick and I never washed anything before priming.

I'm the opposite - even the primer barely sticks to my metal models, and any paint I add after that seems to get chipped almost instantly.

I've also given up on washing metal models because it has never once made an ounce of difference.

I have never once had a positive experience with a metal model.

 vipoid wrote:
I have never once had a positive experience with a metal model.

3 Questions, I might know what's happening.

1- What kind of humidity do you have where you live?

2- Where do you store your models?

3- What you scrub your metal models with before painting them?

 vipoid wrote:
3) I. Hate. Painting. Metal. Models. It never seems to matter how much time I spend scrubbing them before priming them, they still end up chipping if you so much as cough in their general direction. On more than one occasion I've tried to drybrush a metal model, only to discover that my brush was removing more paint than it was adding.

You're doing it wrong.
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 H wrote:
I never had the experience though of paint not sticking though. Back in the day, it was easier for me to get a hold of spray paint, rather than primer, so nearly everything I had was done in Rustoleum Painter's Touch paint. I never had a case where that wouldn't stick and I never washed anything before priming.

Rustoleum Automotive Primer for metal. or old school Citadel Black. 'nuff said.

Anything Genestealer Cult related. Hate everything about GSC and the way they look.

I don't think I will ever own anything Ork related. I think the faction is great, I've just hit my limit on armies to focus on.

For armies I own, here are some models I have no plans to pick up:
Dark Angels:
Primaris Captain. I just don't need one. He doesn't do anything I can't already do better with other models. I already have the Gravis armored one anyway.
Primaris Chaplain. I like the model, but the rules are just so meh...
Stalker/Hunter. I just don't really need one of either of these for my lists.

Chaos Space Marines:
Mutilators. Such butt ugly models, and crap rules on top.
Defiler. See above, except less crappy rules (still bad, but not as bad as Muties)
Lucius the Eternal. No, just no.
Kharybdis Assault Claw: Too expensive in money and points.

Chaos Daemons:
Keeper of Secrets. Too small and ugly. Maybe if they give it a nice new plastic kit I might consider one.
Skarbrand. I just don't see myself ever actually using him.
Beast of Nurgle. Way too expensive in money, and not great rules either.

Death Guard:
Plague Surgeon. Rules are just not good. Only way I'll get one is if I pick up the battleforce box, which seems unlikely at this point.

Tau Empire:
XV106 R'varna: Expensive in terms of money, and not that good in game. Cool model, though.
KX139 Tau'nar: Even if I could afford one of these, it's beyond my modelling skills to assemble and paint it.

Other:
Titans (any type). I don't have the money or skills to reasonably take one of these on. Plus I'd hardly ever use it even if someone gave one to me.

Well, there’s some armies I have no interest in - Chaos Daemons, Orks, Dark Eldar, Harlequins, and Sisters of Battle, so I’ll never buy minis for those.

However, out of the factions I do have, you’ll never find me with a GW Taurox (I have a proxy model made from a half-track) - that thing is just a modeling fail. Also, the SM Thunderfire cannon - unless they remake it in plastic, I’m not investing in GW Finecast gak (though if someone could point me to a decent proxy, I’d consider it....)

Then of course, any of GW’s “character” models - I’m not paying their ridiculous prices for *one* figure - and I doubly have no interest in named characters; I just refuse to play in games where the likes of Bobby G is in every freaking battle.

 Stormonu wrote:
Well, there’s some armies I have no interest in - Chaos Daemons, Orks, Dark Eldar, Harlequins, and Sisters of Battle, so I’ll never buy minis for those.

However, out of the factions I do have, you’ll never find me with a GW Taurox (I have a proxy model made from a half-track) - that thing is just a modeling fail. Also, the SM Thunderfire cannon - unless they remake it in plastic, I’m not investing in GW Finecast gak (though if someone could point me to a decent proxy, I’d consider it....)

Then of course, any of GW’s “character” models - I’m not paying their ridiculous prices for *one* figure - and I doubly have no interest in named characters; I just refuse to play in games where the likes of Bobby G is in every freaking battle.

I agree. Taurox is simply aweful and once upon a time in 40K history you needed the approval of your opponent to field a named character. But today restrictions like that would be impossible to implement. Just imagine the salty whining and gnashing of teeth that would accompany such a decision.

I really don't like the current bloodthirster, though I may give in eventually. I've avoided it so far. I'd have to do some conversion work on it to be able to tolerate it.

I own some space wolves, but there's practically no chance I'll ever get thunderwolf cavalry or wulfen.

Anything Primaris for my Crimson Fists. I just don’t like the background material, or the aesthetic (both in general terms and how they look next to Classic Marines). So I’m planning on just keeping that army fully old school.

Orks: the current plastic Warboss. Just think the old metal ones are way nicer sculpts and much more characterful.

Anything: any Special Characters. Nope, just don’t care for them. Would rather create my own guys.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
3) I. Hate. Painting. Metal. Models. It never seems to matter how much time I spend scrubbing them before priming them, they still end up chipping if you so much as cough in their general direction. On more than one occasion I've tried to drybrush a metal model, only to discover that my brush was removing more paint than it was adding.

You're doing it wrong.

Thank you, that's very helpful.

 vipoid wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
3) I. Hate. Painting. Metal. Models. It never seems to matter how much time I spend scrubbing them before priming them, they still end up chipping if you so much as cough in their general direction. On more than one occasion I've tried to drybrush a metal model, only to discover that my brush was removing more paint than it was adding.

You're doing it wrong.

Thank you, that's very helpful.

As above, you are almost certainly using the wrong primer. Automotive primer is what you need.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
3) I. Hate. Painting. Metal. Models. It never seems to matter how much time I spend scrubbing them before priming them, they still end up chipping if you so much as cough in their general direction. On more than one occasion I've tried to drybrush a metal model, only to discover that my brush was removing more paint than it was adding.

You're doing it wrong.

Thank you, that's very helpful.

As above, you are almost certainly using the wrong primer. Automotive primer is what you need.

Vipoid- Yeah, as somewhat snide as the above comments may have been, it's true. I swear by Halford's satin black primer. Works a treat and have very rarely had chips on minis.

Anything eldar, or sisters of battle, or tau.

All other armies are fair game. I wont buy actual forgeworld either... dudes are crazy overpriced. I will buy the books to convert the models, though.

I won't say never on these, I'd say unlikely to get.

For my existing armies:
Space Marines: Centurions except for making a Kitbash Centurion Rogal Dorn from TTS

Guard: probably some of the regimental officers

Thousand Sons: Tzaangors and that tower thing.

As far as new armies, I'm unlikely to get Dark Eldar, anything Slaneesh or Nurgle, Tyranids, or Harlequins.

Also unlikely to get anything Forgeworld other than infantry units.

I said I would never buy the 3rd edition and later version of the Wave Serpent. I hate the 'horseshoe' design. I much prefer Jes Goodwins's 'Iron' design. I own 6 of the resin Wave Serpents.

Unfortunately I purchased 2 of the 'horseshoe' falcons and waveserpents so that I can play in tournaments.

I will never spend $35 on a cryptek or any other model of that size.