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Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/17 05:55:21


Post by: Lance845


So this came out. I finished it this morning. They changed things from the comic but i think its for the better. Certain characters have lost a power they had in the comics, or a thing they have they have for different reasons. But it manages to keep a LOT of the dumb comic booky things while keeping the over all brutal elements and adult themes of a lot of the relationships.

Also the music is just flat out great.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/17 11:11:57


Post by: Paradigm


I'm 5 episodes in, so far so good. I've not read the comic so I'm looking at it entirely on the merits of the show, but thus far it's been entertaining. It's done a good job juggling the large cast, though I feel Vanya has been a little underused in this first half. The writing has been pleasantly snappy and the plot has managed to introduce a new twist each time it's started to get a little predictable.

I feel there might be a risk of leaning too far into the crazy side of things, Time Travel especially could go too far if they're not careful, but so far they've handled it well.

It does feel like a show made exactly for the current Netflix zeitgeist, there's a lot of elements that seem to come from other shows they've made or part-made previously. The heavy intrigue (and great soundtrack choices ) of Stranger Things, the sci-fi absurdism of Dirk Gently, the dingy feel of Daredevil or Titans... Even the score is composed by Jeff Russo, who's done a fair bit of work for their shows previously.

So if I have one criticism, it's that it doesn't feel particularly revalatory or groundbreaking, but at the same time, not every show can or should be. It's no Stranger Things or Daredevil, but it doesn't need to be. On its own, it's really quite good, and I look forward to watching the rest.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/17 17:42:03


Post by: Lance845


 Paradigm wrote:
I'm 5 episodes in, so far so good. I've not read the comic so I'm looking at it entirely on the merits of the show, but thus far it's been entertaining. It's done a good job juggling the large cast, though I feel Vanya has been a little underused in this first half. The writing has been pleasantly snappy and the plot has managed to introduce a new twist each time it's started to get a little predictable.

I feel there might be a risk of leaning too far into the crazy side of things, Time Travel especially could go too far if they're not careful, but so far they've handled it well.

It does feel like a show made exactly for the current Netflix zeitgeist, there's a lot of elements that seem to come from other shows they've made or part-made previously. The heavy intrigue (and great soundtrack choices ) of Stranger Things, the sci-fi absurdism of Dirk Gently, the dingy feel of Daredevil or Titans... Even the score is composed by Jeff Russo, who's done a fair bit of work for their shows previously.

So if I have one criticism, it's that it doesn't feel particularly revalatory or groundbreaking, but at the same time, not every show can or should be. It's no Stranger Things or Daredevil, but it doesn't need to be. On its own, it's really quite good, and I look forward to watching the rest.


The comic was created and written by Gerald Way, former front man/lead singer of My Chemical Romance who quit the band more or less to go write comic books. I think he had a heavy influence in the sound track choices and a couple of his make it into the show,


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/18 14:13:05


Post by: Necros


About half way through and enjoying it so far. I think I know who the big bad is gonna be already though. I feel like in some parts they're starting to drag it out a little bit though, but overall pretty solid so far.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/18 14:34:45


Post by: gorgon


Only a few episodes into it, but it feels a lot more grounded than the comics, which get plenty surreal. As an example, in the comic Luther didn't get an experimental serum, but instead...

Spoiler:
...had his head transplanted onto the body of a Martian ape.


Overall, it's a well-done adaptation though.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/18 22:04:18


Post by: Paradigm


Finished it tonight, overall a very enjoyable series.

I do feel certain plot beats in the second half were perhaps a little too signposted and predictable, but any weakness in the storytelling was more than made up for by the way all the character beats landed. Some real gut punches in the second half and by the end I'm still not really sure which side I was rooting for.

Spoiler:

I mean, obviously I'm not on Team Apocalypse, but unlike a lot of stories like this (looking at you, Dark Phoenix!) I think here you can totally see what led to the uber-powerful individual wanting to lash out and break the world... It's a credit to the writing and to Ellen Page's performance that Vanya remained sympathetic right to the end.


Aside from that, Klaus was the standout character for me. A really compelling performance of a character archetype I usually don't really appreciate that much. Normally I find that stoner stereotype hard to sympathise with, but his performance really did sell it.

I look forward to the presumably-coming second series.



Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/18 23:21:33


Post by: LordofHats


I liked it, though I felt the series really dragged a bit in the middle till episode nine. Maybe I'm out of line, but I find the "our dad sucks looked how screwed up we are" thing to be really overdone at this point. I don't know when the comic came out, but I've definitely seen it in this genre at good hundred times already and it wasn't that interesting the first time.

Five was great. Normally I hate time travel in stories. It's often just a dumb gimmick that doesn't make any coherent sense in how it's presented, but I think this one really managed to make it work and the actor they picked to play him really managed to sell the whole thing.

I'll also second Paradigm on Klaus. For a ten episode series it's amazing that most of the character end the same agitating brats they started as, but Klaus actually managed to have a character arc with an emotion other than angst behind it.

Also going to give a shout out to Hazel and Cha-Cha. Those two deserve some credit for how well they sold their character too.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/19 09:42:23


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Show was fantastic, and has a great set up for a second season. Fantastic music, great fighting, a surprising amount of dancing, and arcs for everyone that felt really fleshed out.

After I watched it I read a synopsis of the comic. Thank God they didn't make that.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/19 14:19:00


Post by: Necros


Finished last night, there were some slow spots but I enjoyed it overall. I guess Netflix is looking for other comics to adapt now that Marvel is off the table. I liked Klaus the best, looks like everyone else did. I gave him a "just another stoner kid" eyeroll at first, glad they took him where they did. And with 5 I was like "Just another kid actor" at first, and he ended up one of my favorites too. I liked Hazel a lot too, but that might just be because I'm also a chubby fella who appreciates a good donut.

Looking forward to season 2 for sure


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/22 22:44:32


Post by: Dreadwinter


I finished this last night. I have been recommending this to everyone. I think every actor in it did a great job. There were some obvious standouts, but they were all great. Hazel, Five, and Klaus all killed it.

I thought I had the story figured out pretty early on but it definitely did not roll out the way I expected. I was right in a lot of ways but oh so wrong in others.

The music was always great and well done. I assumed they would probably have to have this on lockdown considering they have Gerard Way as a writer and Mary J. Blige as an actress. I doubt either of them would be alright with a crap product, musically speaking. Also, I did not realize Mary was such a good actress.

Every character was different at the end. Not a single one failed to change at all which was pretty big for me. I look forward to Season 2!

Spoiler:
Personally, I hope in Season 2 when they all come back to try again they have the same issues as Five did, except now there are adult and child versions of them.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/28 09:54:28


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Well that's good.

I'm not sure I like the idea of Season 2 having them all be kids.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/28 10:23:55


Post by: Paradigm


I imagine that'll be a temporary thing, or at least there'll be some kind of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimeyness that means they switch back and forth.

The best thing about the show is it's cast, so they're not going to throw that away for anything more than one episode or so, I reckon.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/28 16:41:43


Post by: gorgon


 Dreadwinter wrote:
I finished this last night. I have been recommending this to everyone. I think every actor in it did a great job. There were some obvious standouts, but they were all great. Hazel, Five, and Klaus all killed it.


I thought the actor for Number Five in particular was tremendous.

Overall, the show was really good, although a very grounded version of the comics. It's interesting how UA toned down some of the more surreal aspects, while Doom Patrol has fully embraced the weird. I think I expected it to be the other way around. Still, UA made a few references to the weirder stuff from the comics (like the Eiffel Tower incident), without elaborating what they were all about. And it seems like their choices were good for general audiences. My wife has been watching UA, but I'm not sure she'd be into it if was the unadulterated version.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/28 20:47:07


Post by: Lance845


What makes the UA so palitable isnt the inclusion or exclusion of the crazier elements. Its how character driven and well acted it is.

Any crazy gak could happen to and around these people but as long as the show is actually about them instead of those crazier elemnts people would be on board with seeing their stories.

I expect doom patrol will have a set up episode or 2 about the characters and then will become about the events and bad guys they fight. Which will get the more general audiences to disconnect from these wierd people they don't care about.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/28 20:50:14


Post by: Grimskul


Klaus and Five were definitely the highlights of the show for me, it's one of the few instances where a child actor completely nailed their role in my opinion. Oftentimes, they come off as either too whiny/useless or saccharine depending on the genre.

Definitely interested in seeing where they're headed for Season 2, and if they'll reveal any other secrets regarding Sir Hargreeves, given that his background seems tied to the future. (Oddly enough, apparently he's an alien in the comics).


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/28 20:55:11


Post by: Lance845


 Grimskul wrote:
Klaus and Five were definitely the highlights of the show for me, it's one of the few instances where a child actor completely nailed their role in my opinion. Oftentimes, they come off as either too whiny/useless or saccharine depending on the genre.

Definitely interested in seeing where they're headed for Season 2, and if they'll reveal any other secrets regarding Sir Hargreeves, given that his background seems tied to the future. (Oddly enough, apparently he's an alien in the comics).


Alien in this too. You see his flash back of the rockets taking off and leaving his home world. Like all the really wierd elements in the show hey just dont address it. Like his flying car from episode 1.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/28 21:46:10


Post by: Grimskul


 Lance845 wrote:
 Grimskul wrote:
Klaus and Five were definitely the highlights of the show for me, it's one of the few instances where a child actor completely nailed their role in my opinion. Oftentimes, they come off as either too whiny/useless or saccharine depending on the genre.

Definitely interested in seeing where they're headed for Season 2, and if they'll reveal any other secrets regarding Sir Hargreeves, given that his background seems tied to the future. (Oddly enough, apparently he's an alien in the comics).


Alien in this too. You see his flash back of the rockets taking off and leaving his home world. Like all the really wierd elements in the show hey just dont address it. Like his flying car from episode 1.


I thought those were nukes flying off in the background, signalling an apocalypse he escaped. Whoops. Must have been distracted with my dog at the time. It would explain his detachment towards the children and seeing them as just tools if he wasn't their species to begin with.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/02/28 22:00:50


Post by: Necros


I didn't pick up on anything too alieny.. I thought they were nukes too .. I took it as his end of the world was a nuclear war, and he went back in time to prevent it. He changed his future by adopting the kids, but ended up with a totally different end of the world that he still needed to prevent somehow.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/03/01 07:07:35


Post by: Lance845


Interesting. Maybe they are changing it into a time travel thing with him preventing one end of the world and creating another.

But if that was the case you would think Number 5's employers would have sent some people after Reginald Hargreaves.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/03/01 08:39:49


Post by: Dreadwinter


 Lance845 wrote:
Interesting. Maybe they are changing it into a time travel thing with him preventing one end of the world and creating another.

But if that was the case you would think Number 5's employers would have sent some people after Reginald Hargreaves.


This was my interpretation of the flashback. He was from a timeline where the world was ending but he went back to change it, only to cause it to end in other ways now. I think steering away from the comics is good in this case.

I got a friend from work interested in it and he loved the show. He was asking me about the comics and I told him the differences between comic #1 and show #1. His immediate reaction was "Oh yeah, they made the right choice for the show then."


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/03/01 15:07:50


Post by: Easy E


I have herd a lot of people dis the Netflix Marvel movies for being a slow burn with too many episodes. This show has the exact same issues. The first half each episode felt twice as long as it should have been.

That said, I am fine enough with the show, but my family almost bailed on it after episode 3.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/03/01 18:56:12


Post by: gorgon


Bit of a slow burn perhaps, but I didn't think it dragged or felt padded like some of the Marvel series. Vanya's story wasn't rip-roaring excitement, but I felt like all of it was needed since she had the most important arc.

I mean, I'm a fan of the comic and all its frenetic insanity that's somewhat absent in the show, and I didn't have that reaction. *shrug*


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/03/01 19:45:36


Post by: Grimskul


 gorgon wrote:
Bit of a slow burn perhaps, but I didn't think it dragged or felt padded like some of the Marvel series. Vanya's story wasn't rip-roaring excitement, but I felt like all of it was needed since she had the most important arc.

I mean, I'm a fan of the comic and all its frenetic insanity that's somewhat absent in the show, and I didn't have that reaction. *shrug*


Yeah, I was fine with the pacing. For someone that wasn't familiar with the comics at all, it was a good enough start to get me invested. I feel like too many people are used to the instant gratification of youtube vids and other forms of entertainment like the recent trend of battle royales right now for video games. You miss out on a lot of gems that start off slow like Better Call Saul when you expect to be excited 24/7.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/03/01 21:39:31


Post by: gorgon


I've been watching episodes of The Six Million Dollar Man (reliving my childhood), and it's really interesting how different the pace of a 1970s show is. It was considered to be in the action genre, but there are plenty of scenes that involve people just standing around discussing the latest plot development. It's a little jarring.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/03/01 21:45:45


Post by: Paradigm


I think UA nailed its pacing to be honest. Every time I felt it was getting slow or stale (usually about every 2 episodes or so) it'd drop in some new twist or character or development that refreshed it. By the end of the show, you could almost set your watch by when the next twist was coming (not that I minded that, as mentioned it's the character arcs and performances rather than the narrative that kept me watching).

Likewise, I feel it handled its reveals at a good pace, things were rarely just explained away instantly, but equally nothing was left hanging long enough for the viewer to stop caring or forget. Structurally, the show as a whole was really well put together as far as I'm concerned.

Just as I've also been watching it recently and comparisons have been made with the Marvel stuff, I think UA compares quite favourably in this regard to Punisher S1. Which isn't to say that Punisher isn't an excellent well-made show, but the first half of the series I watched after finishing UA felt, by comparison, very plodding. Not that all shows need to keep up a rapid pace to work, Punisher is definitely a slow burn, but it did make me appreciate how well UA kept things fresh every couple of episodes.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/03/02 08:33:03


Post by: Breotan


UA was so much better than I expected it to be. The music selection was truly inspired. Robert Sheehan is one of my favorite actors ever since I saw him in Misfits. Aidan Gallagher was 15 when this show was made? Holy feth that kid can act his arse off.

As for Sir Reginald Hargreeves, I first thought he might be just a time traveler but then he travelled back to the Titanic days and lived to modern time so... alien it is then. Still not sure what the connection to Earth is or why the Bureau didn't take him out given he wants to stop the sky from falling and they want to make sure it happens.



Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/03/02 09:06:48


Post by: Dreadwinter


 Breotan wrote:
UA was so much better than I expected it to be. The music selection was truly inspired. Robert Sheehan is one of my favorite actors ever since I saw him in Misfits. Aidan Gallagher was 15 when this show was made? Holy feth that kid can act his arse off.

As for Sir Reginald Hargreeves, I first thought he might be just a time traveler but then he travelled back to the Titanic days and lived to modern time so... alien it is then. Still not sure what the connection to Earth is or why the Bureau didn't take him out given he wants to stop the sky from falling and they want to make sure it happens.



I am not sure what needs to be spoiled in what I am about to say so I am going to just do it all.

Spoiler:
Time and Age seem very wonky in this Universe and it seems like almost all Time Travellers have ways of extending their Life Span in some ways. Also, he has ridiculous medicine which was used on Number 1, so I assume he can extend his life that way as well.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/03/02 14:32:06


Post by: trexmeyer


Felt very mediocre and derivative. Edit: To the point where I actually wish I hadn't bothered to watch it and will do my best to forget it.
I do generally dislike
Spoiler:
time travel plots because they are almost never done well. The Commission had the potential to be interesting and just ended up being silly.
. Also, in Klaus's case the
Spoiler:
most interesting time travel plot, him fighting in Vietnam and meeting the 'love of his life', was reduced to what? 5-10 minutes of screen time.

Spoiler:
Vanya is just a Dark Phoenix storyline + violin.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2019/03/05 14:32:39


Post by: AduroT


Watched it. Quite enjoyed it. Haven’t read the comics. I’ll add my voice to the chorus that Klaus was probably the best of the siblings. Music was amazing. My two minor quibbles would be The Day That Wasn’t, as it was mostly just an episode of stuff that didn’t happen. At least they used the stuff that didn’t get rewritten to show alternate view points in the follow up episode. Was also a little disappointed by the ending, in part because we didn’t get to see them solve the problem, and in part because I’m worried they’ll rewrite a few of the characters’ ends like Hazel and Donut Girl. Basically a similar complaint to Wasn’t.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/07/09 22:07:43


Post by: Necros


Threadromancy for Season 2 trailer!




Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/07/09 22:50:53


Post by: Nevelon


Looks fun. Debating if I should rewatch the first season.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/02 20:10:25


Post by: Paradigm


Two episodes into season 2, this show is still one of the best around. Right from the start (and even from the S1 recap) it remains stylish as hell, so,e super clever directing. a snappy and sharp script delivered excellently, and while still relatively sparse, the action sequences are as slick and well-paced as before. Kisoc is very different. but still as excellently integrated into the show rather than there for the sake of it.

Most importantly, it doesn't commit that greatest of sequel series crimes, rolling back everyone's character arcs to a nice even status quo and retreading old ground Some go in very different directions from what you might guess, but they're all firmly rooted in the events of the first series.

Oh, and the opening of the first episode is just beautifully bizarre and bombastic as only this show can be...


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/02 20:21:02


Post by: Argive


Just finished watching s2 with the missus.
Interesting revelations.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/02 21:05:33


Post by: hotsauceman1


Ok, Ok, I want to know what people think about Carl. Ill put it in spoilers.
Spoiler:
So, like, am i the only one who thinks he was poorly written as a bad guy/foil? At the beginning, he is shown to not be abusive, just distant and a drunkard, but he still seems to care for his family, even helping vanya find her family. He seems a little....resrntful of his son, but cares for him(and let me tell you this, that is not an uncommon feeling today even when we know about the diagnosis). but it seems that once its decided that Vanya MUST fall for Sissy, he took a turn into cuckoo town and raging. But even then, he handled it....kinda well, just telling Vanya to leave. He just tells her to leave.
He reallly seems to suffer from what the Audience knows, vs what he knows. Yeah we know the whole story about Vanya and family and superpowers, and because we have been following them for awhile, it doesnt seem weird. But he doesnt, He sees someone he took in after hitting them. who then helped with his son, then turn on and cheat with his wife and then somehow affect his son who he is already worrying about? That is terryfying. Yeah he said he wanted to send him to "One oof those places" Which we know today as being bad(BTW, No, he would in all likelyhood not have had a lobotomy, those fell outta favor in the 50s) because in the 60s, that is what he knew.
IDK, dude is still a scumbag, but he seems to suffer from poor writing. The "You dont get to Ask for more" was particularly scummy


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/02 21:20:57


Post by: Argive


 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, Ok, I want to know what people think about Carl. Ill put it in spoilers.
Spoiler:
So, like, am i the only one who thinks he was poorly written as a bad guy/foil? At the beginning, he is shown to not be abusive, just distant and a drunkard, but he still seems to care for his family, even helping vanya find her family. He seems a little....resrntful of his son, but cares for him(and let me tell you this, that is not an uncommon feeling today even when we know about the diagnosis). but it seems that once its decided that Vanya MUST fall for Sissy, he took a turn into cuckoo town and raging. But even then, he handled it....kinda well, just telling Vanya to leave. He just tells her to leave.
He reallly seems to suffer from what the Audience knows, vs what he knows. Yeah we know the whole story about Vanya and family and superpowers, and because we have been following them for awhile, it doesnt seem weird. But he doesnt, He sees someone he took in after hitting them. who then helped with his son, then turn on and cheat with his wife and then somehow affect his son who he is already worrying about? That is terryfying. Yeah he said he wanted to send him to "One oof those places" Which we know today as being bad(BTW, No, he would in all likelyhood not have had a lobotomy, those fell outta favor in the 50s) because in the 60s, that is what he knew.
IDK, dude is still a scumbag, but he seems to suffer from poor writing. The "You dont get to Ask for more" was particularly scummy


Spoiler:
I dunno. I think given the times I think he reacted fairly in keeping with the times and quite reasonably... Of course theres an entire thing with communism and soviets going on. People forget how hard the US had to come down on the budding communist movement post WW2. It was the boogey man back then. Communist evil coz Russia evil narrative certainly would have fed into his though process.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/02 22:27:58


Post by: Gitzbitah


 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, Ok, I want to know what people think about Carl. Ill put it in spoilers.
Spoiler:
So, like, am i the only one who thinks he was poorly written as a bad guy/foil? At the beginning, he is shown to not be abusive, just distant and a drunkard, but he still seems to care for his family, even helping vanya find her family. He seems a little....resrntful of his son, but cares for him(and let me tell you this, that is not an uncommon feeling today even when we know about the diagnosis). but it seems that once its decided that Vanya MUST fall for Sissy, he took a turn into cuckoo town and raging. But even then, he handled it....kinda well, just telling Vanya to leave. He just tells her to leave.
He reallly seems to suffer from what the Audience knows, vs what he knows. Yeah we know the whole story about Vanya and family and superpowers, and because we have been following them for awhile, it doesnt seem weird. But he doesnt, He sees someone he took in after hitting them. who then helped with his son, then turn on and cheat with his wife and then somehow affect his son who he is already worrying about? That is terryfying. Yeah he said he wanted to send him to "One oof those places" Which we know today as being bad(BTW, No, he would in all likelyhood not have had a lobotomy, those fell outta favor in the 50s) because in the 60s, that is what he knew.
IDK, dude is still a scumbag, but he seems to suffer from poor writing. The "You dont get to Ask for more" was particularly scummy


Spoiler:
Like you, I was very pleased with his reserved response to the revelation that Vanya was stealing his woman. He didn't beat his wife, and when he asked her to come out to the farm, I thought for sure he was going to try to kill her. Using his brother's position to keep her from running was very inappropriate by our standards, but I think he stands in nicely for the attitudes of the times. I wouldn't even grant him villain status, he just was very much a product of the times.

Personally, I thought Sissy probably caused more harm with her indecisiveness. Had she picked a person and stuck with it, Vanya and Harlan would have been spared a world of grief, and Carl probably would have still been alive. Still not a villain by any means, mind you.


Really excellent show, and if anything a stronger season than the first! And the bar was already quite high. Set aside time to stream the whole thing though, because the pacing and cliffhangers drive you to keep going to the end in one sitting.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/03 00:32:16


Post by: Dreadwinter


Season, imo, got off to a bit of a slow start. But by episode 3-4 I decided to just binge the last of it. Enjoyed it, look forward to next season. I only had one really major complaint.

Spoiler:
I honestly did not like Luther in this season. He just didn't seem well written at all and his lines were sometimes pretty cringe.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/03 00:43:59


Post by: Argive


 Dreadwinter wrote:
Season, imo, got off to a bit of a slow start. But by episode 3-4 I decided to just binge the last of it. Enjoyed it, look forward to next season. I only had one really major complaint.

Spoiler:
I honestly did not like Luther in this season. He just didn't seem well written at all and his lines were sometimes pretty cringe.


I agree he seems to be the most 1 dimensional of all the characters.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/03 01:10:12


Post by: Dreadwinter


 Argive wrote:
 Dreadwinter wrote:
Season, imo, got off to a bit of a slow start. But by episode 3-4 I decided to just binge the last of it. Enjoyed it, look forward to next season. I only had one really major complaint.

Spoiler:
I honestly did not like Luther in this season. He just didn't seem well written at all and his lines were sometimes pretty cringe.


I agree he seems to be the most 1 dimensional of all the characters.


I didn't hate him in the first season. He had a lot going on. But this season it was mostly just "heh, yeah, oh yeah I am really dumb. Yup, super dumb here." Which is confusing because that is kind of Diego's running joke in the series. But hell, Dumb Batman had more character development than Ape Boy.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/03 01:34:01


Post by: hotsauceman1


I didnt see luthor as dumb, just letting his emotions be in control for most of his stuff. Stays with Jack Ruby because he needs validation, throws the fight because of Allison.
He is just a big boy i want to give a hug.
Him outside Allisons/Rays house was my favorite, along with eating the chocolate.
He also gives off this vide of just, being kind. Like he shows up outside the house, this big white boy, and says Allison is his sister(Granted, he knew her maiden name) and he lets him in. This big civil rights activist, very active, just trusts this guy built like this.
Kinda goes to show how both are, and why maybe Allison fell for them both.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/03 02:02:33


Post by: Dreadwinter


 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I didnt see luthor as dumb, just letting his emotions be in control for most of his stuff. Stays with Jack Ruby because he needs validation, throws the fight because of Allison.
He is just a big boy i want to give a hug.
Him outside Allisons/Rays house was my favorite, along with eating the chocolate.
He also gives off this vide of just, being kind. Like he shows up outside the house, this big white boy, and says Allison is his sister(Granted, he knew her maiden name) and he lets him in. This big civil rights activist, very active, just trusts this guy built like this.
Kinda goes to show how both are, and why maybe Allison fell for them both.


Spoiler:
I mean, the last half of the season is 5 explaining to Luthor how dumb he is every time he suggests something/talks. The thing is, it isn't Five being mean, those were actually bad ideas. He even has parts where he just completely spaces for, uh, reasons and people have to snap him out of it to do things. No explanation why he is spacing out really, he just is. He is hanging on to Ruby but ultimately lets him down because, uh, he found out his sister was married. It devastates him, even though he knows she has been in other relationships and she even has a child. It really makes no sense. It would make more sense to me if he found out she was married and went "Huh, well that isn't surprising. Good for her." Him confronting his Father wasn't even that great because he really just stood up and yelled at a guy who had no idea what the hell he was talking about.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/03 02:15:59


Post by: Lance845


I think luthor is a direct consequence of s1. Both the fallout of seeing what his father put him through and the pointlessness of it all and his part in pushing vanya over the edge.

His confidence and self image is broken. And when hes trying to act confident now its a sham and his heart isnt really in it. So his ideas are half baked and he falls into the background.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/03 10:21:00


Post by: Gitzbitah


Spoiler:
Personally I loved him with the 5s. Great episode, and his credulity and care contrasted well with their maniacal scheming. He was definitely not the focus of this season, which is totally fine! With 7 or more compelling characters you won't be the star every time. I expect he'll be more of a focus in the next season as he's the most likely to fall in line with a functioning Sparrow academy, and function as a bridge to his own fragile team.



For me, most disappointing were
Spoiler:
The Swedes. Their code of honor was very cool, but they didn't hold a candle to the menace and humor of Cha-cha and Hazel. Cha-cha brought so much personal hatred to the table it was unreal.
.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/04 03:24:44


Post by: Necros


Finished it tonight, enjoyed season 2.. long wait for season 3 :(


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/04 05:31:37


Post by: hotsauceman1


Yeah that is what i really hate about Netflix shows, such a long wait between seasons. I think the Gabriel Iglesias show was like, 2 years for 6 episodes.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/04 12:11:27


Post by: Dreadwinter


 Necros wrote:
Finished it tonight, enjoyed season 2.. long wait for season 3 :(


Yeah, but we get a new season of The Boyz in a month, so it's not so bad.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/05 00:24:32


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Season 2 was far funnier than the first season. I thought it was great, although the humour perhaps became a little broad during the "Two 5's" part.

And I know that Ellen Page gets first billing because she's the "big Hollywood actor", but really Aidan Gallagher should be the first name on the cast list. For someone so young he does so well with the rest of the cast, and a lot of the times is carrying the whole show on his shoulders.

I do hope there's a Season 3.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/05 00:26:42


Post by: Argive


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Season 2 was far funnier than the first season. I thought it was great, although the humour perhaps became a little broad during the "Two 5's" part.

And I know that Ellen Page gets first billing because she's the "big Hollywood actor", but really Aidan Gallagher should be the first name on the cast list. For someone so young he does so well with the rest of the cast, and a lot of the times is carrying the whole show on his shoulders.

I do hope there's a Season 3.


is he 5 ?


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/05 00:39:07


Post by: H.B.M.C.


He is the kid playing Number Five, yes.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/05 01:59:50


Post by: Lance845


I THINK irl he is 16 or 17ish. Which is amazing because he legit in my head is a 55 yr old man.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/05 09:42:17


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Just finished season 2, IMHO not as good as S1, but still good.

And yeah, HBMC is totally right, Aidan Gallagher is the breakout star here.

I think 2 things disappointed me. The whole season is set in the early 60s and devoted to demystifying that whole era, the collision of the idealized 50s and Kennedy's Camelot and honestly, I don't care. We've been deconstructing that era since the 80s and I have no rose-colored memories of it.

The other is the music, besides using modern songs in the 60s, it felt like once or twice an episode everything stops so we can have a music video. The 'I think we're alone now' number in the first season was so, so good and on point I felt like they were trying to replicate it.

So ****/4 stars, enjoyed it but I'm eager to see the new timeline and the Sparrow Academy.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/06 22:51:11


Post by: AduroT


When he takes the mask off and it’s like oh my god I never saw that coming that is an extra level of insanity I was not expecting.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/07 00:47:17


Post by: Argive


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
He is the kid playing Number Five, yes.


Ohh yeah me and the missus though he was phenomenal in his role.
Him and klaus have carried a huge chunk of the show.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
 AduroT wrote:
When he takes the mask off and it’s like oh my god I never saw that coming that is an extra level of insanity I was not expecting.


Spoiler:
I kind of gathered he was an alien from the bit with his dying wife and then all the space ships leaving the planet as he palys with a magic jar thingy. But why was he wearing a mask then

I'm certainly hungry for more background on Reggie


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/08 08:00:48


Post by: trexmeyer


I watched it and it wasn't bad.

I don't particularly like the Umbrella Academy for several reasons.

Spoiler:

It's very hokey. Superhero stories are overdone to the point of being passe. Especially 'mature' ones.
Spaceboy's CGI/Suit/W/E is awful.
I generally hate time travel.
Everyone is an emotional idiot.
Actually, everyone is juggling idiot balls.


But there are some positives.

Spoiler:

In terms of easily consumable, mindless entertainment, it is fun and actually does pose some interesting questions.
Five and Klaus have killed it since episode 1 with their performances. Especially Klaus. He's a complete ass, but he's brilliant at it.
It's so off the wall that it does have some neat ideas.
The Doomsday reveal in s2 was actually not a bad twist and I did see it coming as soon as Vanya was accused of being Russian, but not before then.



Edit: Overall, in comparison to some other shows I've binged on Netflix (Sabrina...all 3 seasons...don't do it, Altered Carbon) Umbrella Academy is miles better even if it's just an appetizer for The Boys. I don't love it. I won't rewatch it until season 3, but it's so much better than most of what's being created.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/10 13:47:55


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


I'm enough of a history nerd that the Soviets in Dallas bothered me more than the time travel and dude with a gorilla body.

The opening battle was what, like 2 weeks after the (none) Kennedy assassination? No way the Soviets had time to advance through Europe much less advance that far into the US.

My working theory is that the Soviets had troops pre-positioned in Cuba. When they saw the video of Vanya they figured America had supermen who had to captured ASAP and did an amphibious landing of Houston advancing into Dallas.

(along with starting WWIII along the European front and nuking a few targets)

The Umbrella Academy's success against the Soviets convinced them the American supermen could not be captures and led to the nuclear strike that ends the opening.

Meh, it works for me.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/11 18:31:37


Post by: Mr Morden


Just finished season 2

I thought it was better and more consistent than season 1, I liked most of the plot and soem excellent interplay, good music and enjoyed the new powered character as much or more than some of the others.

That being said its irritating (and even called out on the show) how little Alison uses her powers - especially given the situation she found herself in - she could have actually changed the world here - but didn't. I like the actor who played her husband - usually good value ad same here again.

Vanya is just a bit dull (again) and they seemed to veer back and forth on her lovers husband - good guy/bad guy/average guy.

Although never understood the obsession with Kennedy - wasn't he just a womaniser in hoc to the Mafia? Did remind me of the excellent Red Dwarf epsiode where they accidently save him and he destroys America



Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/13 03:37:20


Post by: hotsauceman1


The Kennedy family was kinda.....American Royalty.
They where big, well loved and kinda gave off, ironically, an "Everyman" kinda feeling.
Not to mention, Kennedies assasination i think is a big defining moment of the latter half of the century no matter what the man actually was.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/13 03:49:16


Post by: Lance845


And most important to this story, Number 2 is desperate for a big defining world saving heroic moment that defines his personal value. Being able to prevent the Kennedy assassination is an act of almost pure ego for him. He validates himself, his horrific childhood in the name of heroics, and either wins his fathers respect or proves his father wrong with a dash of spite in doing it.

Number 2 is as broken as most of them (Rumor and number 5 are the 2 who seem least traumatized by their childhoods). And this is about as pure an expression of how he is broken as you can get. Which is why he in particular is so obsessed with it.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/13 14:33:40


Post by: LunarSol


Finished it last night. For some reason I have this issue with the show where I assume I'm going to get bored of it and find myself loving every minute. Likely just habit from the rest of the Netflix lineup. I waffled on season 1 and burned through it and expected to give up on season 2 until that first episode reminded me how great the show can be.

Great second season, looking forward to seeing where they take it in season 3.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/16 02:47:53


Post by: warboss


Eh. I skipped it the first time around as I just wasn't interested in the story and I'm not a fan of any of the cast in particular but the imminent arrival of the second season convinced me to watch it. I preferred the first season though but I'll watch the third season as I like the plot hook introduced in the final seconds. I agree that #5 was the standout in the cast and the one that I enjoyed the most. Luther was pointless and I was disappointed that the hint of Klaus' powers shown during the newest apocalypse wasn't actually explored.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/16 07:54:33


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 warboss wrote:
I was disappointed that the hint of Klaus' powers shown during the newest apocalypse wasn't actually explored.


Yeah the ghost summoning was new right?

Diego also showed off telekinesis, previously he could only do knife throwing (IIRC). It would be interesting if they all had the same psychic powers but just apply them differently.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/16 14:43:19


Post by: Nevelon


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 warboss wrote:
I was disappointed that the hint of Klaus' powers shown during the newest apocalypse wasn't actually explored.


Yeah the ghost summoning was new right?

Diego also showed off telekinesis, previously he could only do knife throwing (IIRC). It would be interesting if they all had the same psychic powers but just apply them differently.


It would have to relate to the spirit world. You need that for the whole contacting the dead thing. Although a broader time/space manipulation, with parallel dimensions would also work. Getting all their diverse power sets into the same framework is not easy, but maybe?

TK = ghosts manifesting and moving stuff
Rumors = form of possession on others.
Strength/toughness = spirit assist/limited manifestation?
Teleport/time travel = stepping through the spirit realm?
Speak w/dead = what it says on the tin
Turning into monster = possession/channeling elder/non-human spirits
emotional explosions = tapping raw power


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/16 14:52:54


Post by: Mr Morden


Lila also has her mirror powers ability?

Lila was great fun and seemed to have a much more interesting story than Alison or Vanya.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/16 14:58:57


Post by: Nevelon


 Mr Morden wrote:
Lila also has her mirror powers ability?

Lila was great fun and seemed to have a much more interesting story than Alison or Vanya.


I forgot about her. Mirror powers are real easy if you are working on the theory that everyone is pulling from the same basic power, just manifesting it different. She can just use powers that she’s seen others do.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/16 15:39:43


Post by: Lance845


The manifesting the dead physically happened at the end of the first season. Klaus manifested Ben who started taking out agents in the theater with his tenticles.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/16 18:19:42


Post by: Ouze


It's been a few days, and I am still laughing about "Ok, so - think Batman. Now... aim lower."



Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/20 03:50:53


Post by: Grimskul


Pretty solid season IMO. As others have stated, Five is one of the standout actors and did a solid job again and it really sucks that he pretty much does all the heavy lifting when it comes to making sure the family is safe. Poor guy can't catch a break.

I've heard rumours that the new sparrow academy's name is based on Harlan in some way since he was basically levitating a bird in his hand when Sissy was driving away with him and he clearly still has some aspect of Vanya's powers. It seems like Reginald explicitly went for children that weren't the ones he met back in the new timeline, and the interesting thing is that it also looks like that unlike the Umbrella Academy which broke up, he's somehow kept them together up until 2019, so I wonder if he's changed his parenting in some way compared to the one in the original timeline.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/23 15:20:36


Post by: Turnip Jedi


 Ouze wrote:
It's been a few days, and I am still laughing about "Ok, so - think Batman. Now... aim lower."



well if its good enough for Zac

Finished off S2, was okay if a little stretched out, S1 got away with it to a degree due to set up

as for the replacements thinking it might be self inflicted timey wimey as meeting Dad in the past may have caused him to be more careful in selection over the previous gotta catch them all method used but as he didnt see Ben thats why he is still part of the team



Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/24 17:43:18


Post by: Mr Morden


I did also think Sparrow = Russian Intelligence?


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/24 18:05:28


Post by: Turnip Jedi


 Mr Morden wrote:
I did also think Sparrow = Russian Intelligence?


I can certainly see Sir Reginald playing all sides for an advantage but his files and paperwork had Sparrow logos back in the 60s so maybe it was his primary plan prior to something unseen changing it to Umbrella but then the meeting making him stick to the Sparrow plan and/or change the training regime so they dont come out as basketcases ( as if Klaus is the nearest to normal you done forked up)


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/24 19:43:08


Post by: greatbigtree


Alison seems mostly normal... but yeah, 1/7 passing as mostly well-adjusted isn't a good average.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/24 20:07:56


Post by: Mr Morden


 Turnip Jedi wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
I did also think Sparrow = Russian Intelligence?


I can certainly see Sir Reginald playing all sides for an advantage but his files and paperwork had Sparrow logos back in the 60s so maybe it was his primary plan prior to something unseen changing it to Umbrella but then the meeting making him stick to the Sparrow plan and/or change the training regime so they dont come out as basketcases ( as if Klaus is the nearest to normal you done forked up)


or a slight reference to the enemies of the Men from Uncle


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 11:17:38


Post by: Statistx


I already liked it season 1 but can't get anyone I know into watching it.
I also think the second season was even better, just felt better pacewise to me.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 11:31:23


Post by: Turnip Jedi


 greatbigtree wrote:
Alison seems mostly normal... but yeah, 1/7 passing as mostly well-adjusted isn't a good average.


Alison is tricky, arguably apart from Dad she is the one most responsible for Vanya and just carries on using her power as an easy mode button in adult life ( although who wouldnt ), although she does seem to learn from s1 in her reluctence to use it to help her husbands cause in s2


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 11:44:45


Post by: Gitzbitah


Klaus is perilously close to being the most balanced of them all by the end of season 2. He has a successful balanced life, and is acting in a shockingly altruistic fashion towards Dave.

I love that every season has to have 5 massacre a group of people on his own with found weapons.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 12:09:09


Post by: greatbigtree


I’ll agree that Klaus is becoming a better person... after duping a cult’s worth of people into treating him like a messiah. *shrug* The whole cult thing isn’t exactly him being “good” to people.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 12:40:37


Post by: Mr Morden


 Gitzbitah wrote:
Klaus is perilously close to being the most balanced of them all by the end of season 2. He has a successful balanced life, and is acting in a shockingly altruistic fashion towards Dave.

I love that every season has to have 5 massacre a group of people on his own with found weapons.




Klaus remains incredably self obsessed and was quite happy being rich and powerful, abusing the trust and faith of dozens of people - only stopping when it became too much hassle....


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 13:25:55


Post by: Gitzbitah


Yet Destiny's Children are happy, and he has tried to be honest with them and make them independent. They don't want that. By cult standards, they are surprisingly benign.

Admittedly it did start by Klaus hoeing it up with the upper crust, but it weirdly seems like its become a good thing for everyone involved.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 14:54:29


Post by: MDSW


I did not catch season 1 originally, so watched that just before season 2, so all was pretty fresh for me. All in all, I am enjoying this Netflix series immensely, just as I did Daredevil before its abrupt end.

Some of my amateur observations and predictions:

Spoiler:
- When you introduce time travel and a sinister all-powerful agency with ulterior motives, all logic goes out the window and it only takes a clever sentence or two to explain some really incomprehensible things, albeit this is not always done very well.
- Lila had mirror powers, so obviously the agency knew about it from the future, since she was not mirroring anyone because she was way before the mysterious Oct 1 1989 incidents. I think Lila will have a part in season 3, maybe even part of the Sparrow academy.
- Definitely Harlan will play a part in season 3. I had really simply hoped that all of the stuff that happened to him would have adjusted his brain and he would have lived normally with Sissy. I just do not think Reginald would have an irrationally thinking person in his academy with all that power when we see what he did to Vanya who did not have a handicap.
- We did hear Allison say she had not used her power in her 60's life once she was able to speak saying she was so proud of what she had accomplished for herself without it versus her created fame/fortune in season 1 obviously using it - that is why when she did use it when seeing Ray getting beat, it was the start of her life unraveling.
- Five is remarkable and I really liked the actor playing the older Five - spot on! I did not do further research to even check if it was Aiden playing both parts, but I really doubt that.
- I think the prior observations about Luther are spot on as to why he faded a bit into the background for this season.
- It it really a pleasure to see what should be a really difficult character to play and not look forward to watching, but having an actor nail it 110%. Klaus should be a total stereo-type, but the script along with the actor's talent have really made it an Emmy-worthy performance - along with Five. I will have to say, Captain America was this for me - I did not think it possible for an actor to take a very one-dimensional character and bring it to life - my hat's off to Chris Evans for a consistently superb job.
- I really hope season 3 has a differing premise than 'stop doomsday!' and would be fine with a struggle with the Sparrow Academy or the possibly truly evil Reginald. I do not know the comics, but maybe his whole purpose is twisted now and the UA must reset the timeline. I am sure the next season we will get a much larger glimpse into Reginald, as his methods and motivations have always been muddy, especially as we watched season 2 unfold.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 15:16:45


Post by: Lance845


 Gitzbitah wrote:
Yet Destiny's Children are happy, and he has tried to be honest with them and make them independent. They don't want that. By cult standards, they are surprisingly benign.

Admittedly it did start by Klaus hoeing it up with the upper crust, but it weirdly seems like its become a good thing for everyone involved.


Delusion is never a good thing for anyone. It doesn't matter if you are happy within your delusions. Being delusional is a form of insanity. What Klaus did was exploit a bunch of people who were either maladjusted to begin with or became so after witnessing his "revelations" and then bran wash them so badly that none of them would accept hearing the truth. By ANY religions standards they are pretty benign. By any religions standard they are equally willfully ignorant to information that doesn't support their world view.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 16:19:33


Post by: Turnip Jedi


I got a sort of Life of Brian vibe off of Klaus' cult that even when he eventually tries to be straight with them they refuse to accept it, and whilst he did take advantage there were far worse cults they could have ended up in


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 16:24:06


Post by: greatbigtree


I'm not big on the "could'a been worse" justification.

I like Klaus as a character, but he's got a ways to go before he's reconciled his past. But as a character verging on the road to redemption, I like him. More than earlier in the series. And I agree, the actor plays the character with more nuance than I would normally expect.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 16:50:34


Post by: hotsauceman1


Klause i think is the most screwed over by his power.
Imagine from a young age talking to the dead with no input from yourself or even the ability to turn it off.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 17:00:28


Post by: Mr Morden


 Lance845 wrote:
 Gitzbitah wrote:
Yet Destiny's Children are happy, and he has tried to be honest with them and make them independent. They don't want that. By cult standards, they are surprisingly benign.

Admittedly it did start by Klaus hoeing it up with the upper crust, but it weirdly seems like its become a good thing for everyone involved.


Delusion is never a good thing for anyone. It doesn't matter if you are happy within your delusions. Being delusional is a form of insanity. What Klaus did was exploit a bunch of people who were either maladjusted to begin with or became so after witnessing his "revelations" and then bran wash them so badly that none of them would accept hearing the truth. By ANY religions standards they are pretty benign. By any religions standard they are equally willfully ignorant to information that doesn't support their world view.


Agreed - starting a new circle of abuse - even if relatively benign in order to have a good time does not seem to be seeking redemption to me - especally since he uses his dead friend as nothing more than a tool to achive this until he finally rebels.

On the other hand - Alison retreating into mundaness and not using her powers to aid the civil rights movement which she could litterally change for the world for the better is disapointing. She seems to believe that she will immediately become a villian if she does so...

I got a sort of Life of Brian vibe off of Klaus' cult that even when he eventually tries to be straight with them they refuse to accept it, and whilst he did take advantage there were far worse cults they could have ended up in


I would like if the Cult finds a new darker leader who twists their fragile little minds them into a enemy in the future.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 17:01:03


Post by: Turnip Jedi


it'll be interesting to see how he copes in s3 without Umbrella Ben especially with Sparrow Ben in the mix


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 19:11:13


Post by: MDSW


One question:

Spoiler:
Why was there the painting of Ben that replaced Five, when Five's big painting was clearly in honor because he disappeared and Sparrow Ben is clearly right there?


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 19:26:39


Post by: Gitzbitah


 MDSW wrote:
One question:

Spoiler:
Why was there the painting of Ben that replaced Five, when Five's big painting was clearly in honor because he disappeared and Sparrow Ben is clearly right there?


Pure speculation, but

Spoiler:
Unlike the Umbrellas, the Sparrows are a successful superhero team, and Hargreeves honors their leader Ben.




Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 19:31:55


Post by: Grimskul


 Gitzbitah wrote:
 MDSW wrote:
One question:

Spoiler:
Why was there the painting of Ben that replaced Five, when Five's big painting was clearly in honor because he disappeared and Sparrow Ben is clearly right there?


Pure speculation, but

Spoiler:
Unlike the Umbrellas, the Sparrows are a successful superhero team, and Hargreeves honors their leader Ben.




Spoiler:
I think this is a pretty good theory, given that unlike the Umbrellas, they definitely seem to be still together as a team. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hargreeves actually raise them semi-normally after seeing how hosed up the Umbrellas were. Could be a serious area of contention of how the Umbrellas feel like they got shafted in comparison and try to find excuses to denounce the Sparrows in some way (Diego definitely will, "I wanna save JFK" style).


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 21:55:19


Post by: MDSW


...I like that theory...


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/25 22:21:16


Post by: Gitzbitah


That's a really good point.

Spoiler:
I really look forward to Sparrow Ben hating everyone, while they all love him for their long lost brother. It's going to be hilarious, and I hope tentacles are involved. Never thought I'd write that sentence.


Umbrella Academy (Netflix) @ 2020/08/26 08:30:39


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


I just hope that actually thought that far ahead.

Many shows just throw $%^! out and figure they'll explain later when the writers have an idea.

(Looking at you BSG)

And these days audiences are genre savy enough to spot it.