my name is Markus and I run a small company that produces resin tanks. I am going to post pictures and ideas of the current projects I am working on. Feedback in any kind is warmly welcome.
Mortian Main Battle Tank - https://mortian.shop/product/mortian-main-battle-tank/ Includes 7 different weapon options for the turret and 5 different weapon options for the side weapons. Furtheremore the kit can be build without side wepons.
Mortian Tank Hunter - https://mortian.shop/product/mortian-tank-hunter/ This multi part resin kit includes 3 different main weapon options, 2 secondary weapon options and 5 different side weapon options. Furtheremore the kit can be build without side wepons.
Mortian Tank Veteran tank upgrade kit - [url=https://mortian.shop/product/veteran-tank-upgrade-kit/?v=3a52f3c22ed6[/url]
Several parts including sandbags, banners, oil and fuel cannisters and other small parts
Mortian Super Heavy Warcrawler - https://mortian.shop/product/mortian-super-heavy-warcrawler/?v=3a52f3c22ed6 Super Heavy Warcrawler including 7 different main wepons, 3 different secondary weapon options, 3 different middle cover options and 2 different rear cover options
Dimensions are roughly 30x30cm (11x11 inches) weight is 1,5kg (3 punds)
Some pictures of the finished Warcrawler.
Release will be middle of the year.
Price is around 250-300€
Dimensions are roughly 30x30cm (11x11 inches) weight is 1,5kg (3 punds)
The kit includes one Assault Transport Vehicle with the following options:
open topped or armored troop compartment
6 different weapon options for the double front weapon mount or optics
3 different weapon options fot the optional side sponses
6 different side armor panels or plain side armor panels
7 different weapon options for the turret
optional fuel drums to put on the back of the vehicle
Fething Awsome! You knocked that one out of the park! Hope it sells well for you.
Automatically Appended Next Post: The exchange rate being what it is even with shipping that's close to the price of the dune skimmer. I like that I think it will match up with the Vic chimera well.
Automatically Appended Next Post: By close I mean less than. Will the post pre-order price go up?
Saw what comes in the main battle tank box, totally not on the expensive side for what comes in the box! So awesome, and will fit just about any unit from the flashy to the gritty
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and yes that appears to be a solid hull mount or A9 crusier/crusader mk1 style hull turret
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also looks to be co-axle laser cannon, twin heavy machineguns, heavy bolter, storm bolter and optics
mortiantank wrote: Some pictures of the finished Warcrawler.
Release will be middle of the year.
Price is around 250-300€
Dimensions are roughly 30x30cm (11x11 inches) weight is 1,5kg (3 punds)
Now that is different. I love the detail. It looks advanced but fits well into the IG look. An army with those would be interesting.
I'm liking the scale of this kit! This is mostly a dry fit while I figure out if I'm going to go the crazy magnetization path. My advice for building is use care with the track sections and build the inner hull first.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'm thinking that the bow weapon will be a single heavy Flamer with a light cluster (a head light cluster is one of the build options for the front weapon mounts) and then use a funky las gun for the side sponsons to represent las gun arrays.
Making one assault Chimera.
Automatically Appended Next Post: If I was starting an Astra Militarum army I'd go all these babies. Although some players would probably make me drive them backwards.
Those new tanks are awesome, both in the walker and wheeled versions. I could even see putting hover wheels on them. If I had not already converted some artillery tanks for my Ordo Reductor I would use these in a heartbeat.
Turban Ogryn and optional hats?
This makes me rethink my no mutants policy.
That new smaller tank is very cool.
Beautiful cool new turret design too by the way.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also likeing the re-location of the aerials, looks like I can fit a loader's hatch and another machinegun there...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Awesome MLRS too, I think guard getting MLRS would likely be OP No a manticore is not MLRS
last weeks were are bit busy for me as I had some production issues and development of new releases. But it seems you are well informed by other sources. Thanks a lot to these who posted here. I will now work on the first page so that everything is up to date.
looks like a Cadian style helmet, Kreig, Turban, Uruska hat, bear fur hat as usual, plenty of choice, beautiful sculpting lots of close quarters weapons, those flanged maces look like they'd crush an astartes like a can of beans
Ogryns Ranged
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plenty of guns for all your needs, and the needs you never thought you needed!
Medium tank, chassis and turrets are on shop with a release date for the 13/1/2020 as medium walker/wheeled vehicle multi-kit is and drop troops are pre-order.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Drop troops release date 27/01/2020 with options for sections armed with long or short rifles.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Some images to G you up!
Turrets purchased separately for tank, and can be bought separately for walker
Wheeled vehicle
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Crawler
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Medium Tank
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Drop troopers
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Long rifles I guess
Short rifles I guess
Automatically Appended Next Post: Artillery module works in wheeled and walking vehicle.
Wow, those look awesome... especially the tank hunter and Twin LC/AC turrets make me really think about buying. They look really good in this crewless layout.
Mortian, if you are reading this: will there be an Ogre sculpt without gasmask in the future? Or a possibility to buy the heads separatly?
Separate purchase so that you can choose which turret you want.
Medium tank is priced at 38.24 Euro
3 different weapon options fot the front weapon
4 different weapon options fot the optional side sponses
6 different side armor panels or plain side armor panels
optional fuel drums to put on the back of the vehicle
Twin las cannon/auto cannon turret 6.72-7.56 Euro (as there is 3 sizes) Razor back style RWS turret
Remote Gatling and AT cannon are both 10.50 Euro
Medium tank turret is 16.39 Although seemingly has many more weapons options.
As stated before, given what you get in the box I'd consider these prices reasonable. I guess the MLRS turret will also appear in the shop at some point.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I can imagine this tank looking great with any number of 3rd party turrets.
Hi everyone artillery offering on the page.
MLRS turret, medium tank
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This also comes with 2x 4 large rocket configurations if you wanted to use it as a manticore.
Sorta out of the blue. More artillery.
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Rapid fire
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Gun/Hoitzer
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Mortar
and interior shot
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pweeerrty
As with the rest of the new line, weapon and chassis sold separately.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also drop trooper specialists, heavy weapons and complete infantry sections now shipping.
Trooper, becasue I know ho much everyone likes seeing a finished figure
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Grenade
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Plasma
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Melta/Fusion- thank god for cold...
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Flamethrower
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Oh and heavy weapons
Both cannons come with tripods, optional gun shields and firing platforms.
Laser cannon
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Auto cannon
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Heavy rocket propelled grenade launcher.
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optional gunshield
comes with bipod, tripod and firing platform
as ever crews sold separately.
Missile launcher
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Recieved my first order from Mortian just 2 medium tank turrets (25mm(predator) turret ring) and tank veteran upgrade pack.
Casting is excellent detail, a few pieces mildly bent. About what you expect with resin. But lovely. And pieces were dry and quite clear of any mold release agent.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Veteran tank upgrade pack seems pretty capable of upgrading a squadron worth of of tanks.
Here you are Insurgency Walker https://mortian.shop/produkt-kategorie/drop-trooper/ I'd encourage people to check out his stuff, based on the order I received. (2x medium tank turrets and a tank veteran upgrade kit.)
YEEESSSS... I really really liked the Tauros vehicles and am constantly looking for proxies that I really like. And this thing looks awesome. I will defnitly get one.
Insurgency Walker wrote: Walking heavy weapons are available for preorder and I hope his transport based on his medium tank chassis becomes available soon.
Here's the pic folks
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Automatically Appended Next Post: And what a cute little battle automata it is.
Okay so Moritian has announced on the 25/05 the Mortian Heavy tank (he's original tank) will have chassis and turret sold separately. I'm not sure if this is optional or if he is bringing it in line with his current modus operandi.
@Oldmate: As soon as the current MBT tank kits are sold out only the chassis and turret kits will remain. This way the customer can combine all the chassis and turrets better.
A small question, just because I'm very inexperienced with kickstarter:
I want one small Buggy (35 €) and a big one (49 €)
So I just choose the big Buggy pledge and set the pledgelevel to 84 €, right? Or should I already include 4,50 for delivery making it 89,50?
Pyroalchi wrote: A small question, just because I'm very inexperienced with kickstarter:
I want one small Buggy (35 €) and a big one (49 €)
So I just choose the big Buggy pledge and set the pledgelevel to 84 €, right? Or should I already include 4,50 for delivery making it 89,50?
Don't add the shipping now .
Most kickstarters will add that on in the pledge manager after close and then you pay shipping then and fill out what you want total. If you put shipping dollars in now, they count that towards the pledge total so you will pay shipping again later.
Exact. Just choose one of the buggies you like and you can add the other one later. Unfortunately Kickstarter is very unflexible when combining the pledges.
Another question: will the armored big buggy be compatible with the 25mm turrets on your website? I think it might look pretty cool with the tank-hunter gun.
Another question: will the armored big buggy be compatible with the 25mm turrets on your website? I think it might look pretty cool with the tank-hunter gun.
No. But it is compatible with the turret from the Infantry Assault Vehicle.
Hi! I was wondering to purchase your tanks to play Horus Heresy Imperialis Militia. Perhaps count-as Macharius or count-as Gorgon, but I have an impression that your kits are significantly smaller. Any thoughts on that?
Just realized that the stationary gun platforms are now on the website.
There is also a nice Terrain upgrade kit for the medium transport that includes propellers for amphibic propulsion. A great detail as I somehow missed it on the chimera that is listed as amphibic but has no visible means of water propulsion.
Aside from that I second FalxCerebri: a size comparison to GW/Forgeworld tanks would be nice.
FalxCerebri wrote: Hi! I was wondering to purchase your tanks to play Horus Heresy Imperialis Militia. Perhaps count-as Macharius or count-as Gorgon, but I have an impression that your kits are significantly smaller. Any thoughts on that?
cheers!
The medium tank, and assault transport with standard vehicles.
Because the alpha body is a tad bigger
Automatically Appended Next Post: His larger tank is smaller than a Macharius, but I think would make a suitable stand in. it will take me a few minutes to dig that one up.
For the record I'm just a fanboy who likes his tanks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Wow, smaller than I remembered.
Everything is great. Wow it's been a while since I went on that site.
The only thing I can say I'd like to see and suggest is add-on spare track links. That would really make my day.
Hi guys, In case you are wondering about some copyright claims by me against another company. Here is my point of view:
Hi, you might have heard about a copyright issue between Mortian and another company with a Patreon and Kickstarter campain.
Here is my side of the story:
Hannes(a German painter) made an illustration of the cyberrats in 2017 with the iconic design of the helmets.
The other company used this design without contacting Hannes to make some early Sci-Fi Rat 3D models in 2018.
I found the illustration from Hannes and bought the rights on these designs from him in 2019.
I commissioned more sketches from Hannes for the Cyberrat project in 2019.
The other company started to make his Sci-Fi rat 3D models.
I told the other company that it has some very nice models and asked to change the design of the helmets because it was too close to the designs from Hannes. The other company didn't answer.
I asked Patreon and Kickstarter to stop the projects of that other company as these violate the intellectual property of the helmet design from Hannes (which I bought)
The other company said on Facebook that their designs are made after the illustration from Hannes
Patreon reacted and stopped his account. KS is still in discussion.
So the whole story is about two helmets that other company is refusing to change.
They can do Sci-Fi rats or whatever he does now. But not with the designs an artist made especially for me. Attached are some pictures so that you get a better feeling of what I am talking about.
There is a difference between intellectual property and copyright.
Please google it yourself. I cannot give you legal advice on this. But I will try to explain it in my words:
Copyright:
This means your product (or whatever) is registred and it is not allowed to make a 1 by 1 copy of it. For example: You are not allowed to recast a miniature and sell these. (in Germany it is allowed to recast a miniature as long as you only use it by yourself)
Intellectual Property:
This means your product (or whatever) does not need to be registred if your idea is so new and unique to everything else. You gain these rights just by creating it. The definition of what is new or unique enough to get kind of protection is very difficult.
So I am not claiming to have the IP of humanoid rats, or Sci Fi rats. I just claim that the design of the helmets is unique enough to get this kind of protection. The issue is that The other company is using exactly this design of the helmets. And that is the reason why I became active.
ApocLoner wrote: So you make tanks that HEAVILY borrow from Forge World without a second thought.
Then you HEAVILY borrow from their Elysian line for your drop troops.
Now someone else has an idea similar to yours and you stomp it out before you even make yours.
...that's awesome
Well, he did work for Forgeworld so it's possible those are design elements he helped develop in the first place. GW is very defensive of their IP which he doesn't seem to have run afoul of.
He owns the image that the other company says they used for the design of their helmet.
Good to see all this cyberat action, sad that the other company didn't acknowledge the issue and adjust their inspiration accordingly.
ScarletRose wrote:That's some low quality trolling right there.
Doesn't he have a point? How fast and loose can 'inspiration' be and who gets to be the plucky underdog in any given situation?
Insurgency Walker wrote:Well, he did work for Forgeworld so it's possible those are design elements he helped develop in the first place.
I may not be au fait with corporate practises, but if he does design work for Forgeworld while working at Forgeworld, aren't those designs then owned by Forgeworld?
ScarletRose wrote:That's some low quality trolling right there.
Doesn't he have a point? How fast and loose can 'inspiration' be and who gets to be the plucky underdog in any given situation?
Insurgency Walker wrote:Well, he did work for Forgeworld so it's possible those are design elements he helped develop in the first place.
I may not be au fait with corporate practises, but if he does design work for Forgeworld while working at Forgeworld, aren't those designs then owned by Forgeworld?
If you work as an artist at Disney that doesn't mean Disney owns the doodle you sketched on a napikin while out at the bar on Sat. Artists/designers don't sign over their soul.
And no troll doesn't have a point. GW doesn't own armour panels and WWI treads. And if they think they do they're perfectly capable of reaching out to Mortian, the way he did with these other folks.
Not sure what disney's employment contract is but if it's made on a company laptop at any time, or company licensed software at any time, or during business hours on site it would likely be owned by disney.
Apparently an oblong helmet is a unique protectable design concept! Who knew?!
Someone should probably let GW know that their failure to claim geometric shapes in court (remember the SM shoulder pad in the Chapterhouse?) has been overturned! I'm sure they'll be very grateful to have that bit of legal advice passed on from whatever lawyer Mortian consulted.
Yeah, no, on a more serious note, what the hell is this for an IP claim? It's a joke, right?
Even if they drew inspiration from the piece of artwork you later bought, the helmet is quite clearly different in every minor detail, from the huge eyepiece to the lack of spikes on the top. Certainly enough that no court would seriously consider it a copy. It would quite obviously be deemed a separate work for legal and artistic purposes.
I get that you want to be the only one doing 'Sci-Fi Rat With An Oblong Helmet', but you're well outside the grounds of IP protection here. Games Workshop doesn't get to copyright 'Dwarven Warrior With a Rune-Encrusted Helmet', and Disney don't get to have 'Evil Space Wizard Helmet with Rebreather'. It would have to be a unique creation and they'd have to be actually matching the picture in details to even try and get a claim off the ground. Which, as we can see from the two pictures, it very clearly doesn't. Not even close. I even drew up a little chart to make it clear.
You can't IP an asthetic.
But the armour in the pictures is close enough in design, and the maker has admitted they did draw from the artwork, so that's a confession innit?
I just don't see the Elysian likeness of the drop troops. I've been staring at them for hours now and there's. . .
there's. . .
there's. . .
This kind of IP claims is precisely what lawyers like, enough similarity to take it to court, enough differences and date mismatches for it to be difficult to make a final decision, other than an agreement between both parts or something.
Honestly though, I like that companies are investing on sci-fi rats, but boxy helmets, really? It is a very impractical design :|
My post wasn't a troll, I was making a statement (maybe a bit blunt) about the irony (hypocrisy?) of his actions. Maybe GW/FW didn't have a problem with him borrowing their basic concepts. Maybe they did and he cleared it up with them. Who cares?
The point is that they certainly could have if they wanted to. Then he turns around and raises a stink when someone else borrows a similar idea from him. They didn't even do it knowingly, he bought the artwork after they made the miniatures. What's the big deal? I agree with what others have said on his facebook page...worry about making your stuff as good as possible and let the market decide. Especially with such a relatively minor example.
I mean...it's not like they copied the idea of one of his vehicles...
Will you eventually have the .stl files available? I only have a FDM printer, but I'm getting pretty nice results from it. Love the style of the rats. If I could ever get myself back into playing 40K I would definitely field a guard army with your tanks
ApocLoner wrote: My post wasn't a troll, I was making a statement (maybe a bit blunt) about the irony (hypocrisy?) of his actions. Maybe GW/FW didn't have a problem with him borrowing their basic concepts. Maybe they did and he cleared it up with them. Who cares?
The point is that they certainly could have if they wanted to. Then he turns around and raises a stink when someone else borrows a similar idea from him. They didn't even do it knowingly, he bought the artwork after they made the miniatures. What's the big deal? I agree with what others have said on his facebook page...worry about making your stuff as good as possible and let the market decide. Especially with such a relatively minor example.
I mean...it's not like they copied the idea of one of his vehicles...
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First of all I am always open for discussion even if it gets a little rough sometimes. Please dont get me wrong on this.
I have to disagree on several points:
1. I had my IP issues with FW and GW and I changed my designs according to their wishes. Now we are both happy.
2. Nico has stated that is design is based on the drawings. At that time he was stealing the IP from Hannes (the creator of the drawings) I saw these drawings, liked them and bought the rights to make miniatures. So even as he created his miniatures before I did he used an IP he did not own.
3. Yes the topic we are talking about is super small. I mean it is just the design of two helmets. I asked him to chenge thse but he didn't answer at all. (we can now discuss forever if the design of these helmets is unique enough or not. I will not answer on this)
4. I was not aware that Patreon is going to block him completely. My idea was to block only the affected files. But that is up to Patreon. I already asked to change this.
5. Your comparission with the two vehicles is lacking a little bit. To gain IP protection the new idea has to be unique enough to stand out from all the existing ideas. In some cases this is just a small detail like the "hofmeister" corner at BMWs. So the vehicles can look very similar but still are protected. But the overall look of vehicles is not protected. And if you look closely these vehicles derivate in nearly every detail.
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ApocLoner wrote: So you make tanks that HEAVILY borrow from Forge World without a second thought.
Then you HEAVILY borrow from their Elysian line for your drop troops.
Now someone else has an idea similar to yours and you stomp it out before you even make yours.
...that's awesome
Please show me exactely what I borrowed from the Elysian line.
You're requesting specific details because that's the argument you can defend. But that's not the point that I and lots of others on Facebook are making. It's more about the fact that you took lots of design cues from FW stuff and then get all butt hurt about it when the same thing happened to you. Is that guys project really going to have an impact on anything you're doing?
It comes across as pointless, no one in their right mind will ever mistake that guys cyber rats for yours.
Also comes across as very callous; did you really need to stamp out that guy's project? Not a question of your legal rights, it's a question of whether you want to be perceived as a bit of a tool.
You're requesting specific details because that's the argument you can defend.
Right, it's not about petty things like details or facts, it's about voicing righteous umbrage at someone doing something that you don't like.
Good to come right out and admit it.
I went to great lengths to point out the 'facts' in my earlier post. It's interesting to note that Mortian decided to skip that one in responding.
It's also completely legitimate for Apocloner to point out that even if it weren't legal per se; morality and legality are two different things, and Mortian could easily be within his rights legally and acting badly morally.
Not that I think he has a legal leg to stand on either. Just because the creator of the model admits to taking inspiration from an artwork in no way means that they've made an exact copy of that artwork or breached any IP rights. Which is pretty self-evident in this case, given the many separate differing details I laid out in my last post. An oblong helmet is not a protectable concept, and a court would chuck it pretty sharpish.
We actually know this as a fact, because the other creator is based in Vancouver, the Berne Convention aligns their copyright laws with the US, and this concept was tested in Chapterhouse v Games Workshop. Games Workshop tried to argue that their specific shoulder pads were a protectable concept. It got slated and thrown out in the first wave of obvious non-claims along with GW's claim to own 'Halberds', 'Grenade Launchers', and Roman numerals. Geometric shapes do not qualify for protection, and I've already demonstrated how the two differ in detail. So what's left to claim?
Not to mention that Games Workshop themselves also have an oblong rat helmet in their artwork. Clan Skyre have several such variations.
I'm saying all this as someone who has spent a good few hundred pounds with Mortian and is interested in seeing them succeed as a business.
Oh, that's sad, I was looking forward to pick up some of the cyberrats. Great design, sad to see that copyright trolling is needed to deal with an inferior product.
Pyroalchi wrote: Is the medium tank transports "turret" movable when everything is fixed together?
And out of personal curiosity: if I would put a GW Ogryn into one of the transports (the assault one, medium tank or crawler) would his head bob out?
Yes, the main "turret " is movable, as are the gun arrays that are part of the optional enclosed back top. I don't have a GW ogryn on hand. But will post a picture with a figure in the back.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I think I might prime the turret parts before assembly on the second one I build. I have to see how much of a pain it is keeping the turret free during priming.
blaktoof wrote: Not sure what disney's employment contract is but if it's made on a company laptop at any time, or company licensed software at any time, or during business hours on site it would likely be owned by disney.
As I understand it, it has less to do with when and how it was made, and more to do with what you were employed to do. If you're employed to design tanks, then depending on the specifics of your employment contract any tanks you design, even in your own time, are potentially owned by your employer. Any discussion down that road would be pure speculation without knowing the details of the employment contract in question, though, so wouldn't really accomplish much.
Interesting vehicle. I like the idea of a IFV/APC with the armour of an MBT. I do like the paint job on that one pictured and the weapons options displayed, a lot of choice there.
Quick headsup for those interested: I just received my buggies from the kickstarter as well as a set of heavy ogres. I want to finish some stuff before I get to them, so I have no pictures yet, but from a first inspection of the parts the quality is really good. Crisp details, no warping or deformed parts. So far I have only found one tiny air buble on one Ogre shoe were a rivet should be, but it will be no problem to repair. The Lascannons for the heavy buggy and the roll cages are completely straight, a feat not all resin producers manage.
I'm also very impressed by the quality of the ogre heads, they really look stunning.
Another nice feat: delivery was extremely fast. I ordered Tuesday at 20:00, the delivery service got it Wednesday and delivered it Thursday. I live in the same city, still it's impressive.
That's good to know. I backed the Kickstarter as well, but haven't cashed in my coupon because I'm still waiting for other crew minis to become available.
Sounds very tempting. Two questions:
1. I have placed an order at the end of october that is still being processed (so not send yet). Is it somehow possible to just add another order and get everything in one package (saving some mailing costs)?
2. Would a drop trooper driver/gunner fit into the new cyberrat hunter?
Further questions: waiting on renders for the runners to place an order so I only have to drop shipping once--would it be possible for me to place an order of a few walkers for this sale and roll them in with the rats order?
Also, are we likely to see at least renders of what the laser cannon and flamethrower for the cyberrat ogre look like? That's the other bit I'm kinda waiting on to make a decision and put my order in. If they're out, and I just missed them, sorry!
That's one gnarly rat!
looks like a Cadian style helmet, Kreig, Turban, Uruska hat, bear fur hat as usual, plenty of choice, beautiful sculpting lots of close quarters weapons, those flanged maces look like they'd crush an astartes like a can of beans
plenty of guns for all your needs, and the needs you never thought you needed!
Rapid fire
Gun/Hoitzer
Mortar
pweeerrty
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