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Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 15:43:21


Post by: Gallahad


Hey guys, I stumbled across this company and I think some of you would be interested in their releases. I've spoilered the large images in case you are on mobile.
First up sci-fi German paratroopers:
https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/featured/products/raumjager-infantry-box-set?variant=20081465917538
Spoiler:




Next up fantasy Greek Skeletons:
https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/featured/products/skeleton-infantry?variant=20081470963810
Spoiler:




They say they are available now!
It looks like they have plans to release more HIPS kits in the near future (historical Persians I believe). I've certainly got the Raumjagers on my shopping list.

I'm excited to see what they do with historical and fantasy releases. More HIPS kits are always welcome in my book!

Sorry for the massive pictures, I'm on mobile and not sure how to make them smaller.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 15:59:14


Post by: beast_gts


In the UK North Star are stocking them. I'm tempted, but want to actually see them first.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 16:04:13


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Every time I swear I'm not got to buy any more Space Germans...

Are these available through normal distribution channels in the Us?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 16:12:03


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Kinda cool in a generic grunt style. I'll be keeping an eye out for these. Seems like good conversion basis.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 16:20:42


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


They look like a great GW-without-GW IG unit, as well as a solid base for using up resin not-GW heads and weapons. I could see them serving alongside Dreamforge KasrCousins, Dreamforge Valkir Astartes, Shieldwolf Sisters, etc.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 16:37:59


Post by: frozenwastes


It's an American company so I imagine they'll do what they can to get into distribution in the US.



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 16:48:51


Post by: Gallahad


I admit I don't really understand the fascination with WWII German design from people with the means to make sci-fi kits, but it seems to pop up pretty frequently.

They look like good solid mooks with good details from what I can tell.

I spent a little more time on their website and it looks like their first historical release is dark age Irish. It looks like there are even hounds on the sprue!


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 18:51:52


Post by: John D Law


They got a Armageddon steel legion feel to me. Very cool


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 19:01:43


Post by: rgdgaming


beast_gts wrote:
In the UK North Star are stocking them. I'm tempted, but want to actually see them first.



They have it up on their facebook page,



https://www.facebook.com/wargamesatlantic/?ref=br_rs



Looks cool!


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 20:05:19


Post by: Albino Squirrel


Is this from the guy(s) who ran Wargames Factory (into bankruptcy) and then started Defiance Games and ran that into bankruptcy too? It has that look.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 20:14:17


Post by: winnertakesall


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Is this from the guy(s) who ran Wargames Factory (into bankruptcy) and then started Defiance Games and ran that into bankruptcy too? It has that look.


Yeah, i can definitely see the similarities in font, style, design etc.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 21:02:51


Post by: Gallahad


 winnertakesall wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Is this from the guy(s) who ran Wargames Factory (into bankruptcy) and then started Defiance Games and ran that into bankruptcy too? It has that look.


Yeah, i can definitely see the similarities in font, style, design etc.


Hopefully not. I agree there are similarities, but they have sprue shots and have sent them out to a couple of reviewers, so while there is still the chance that it is some sort of long con and Tony Reidy is involved, it seems unlikely.

Additionally, the sprues look like they come from the WGF factory, and I can't imagine those guys working with Tony again in any capacity.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 21:51:34


Post by: frozenwastes


Hmmm... Domain name contact details are hidden:

Registrant Contact
Name: Registration Private
Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC
Mailing Address: DomainsByProxy.com, Scottsdale Arizona 85260 US
Phone: +1.4806242599
Ext:
Fax: +1.4806242598
Fax Ext:
Email:wargamesatlantic.com@domainsbyproxy.com


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 22:01:27


Post by: Flinty


Apparently working with War Banner/footsore/dark peak/whatever they are now after the most recent C&D claim.

https://www.beastsofwar.com/fantasy/war-banner-wargames-atlantic-greek-skeletons/


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 22:20:32


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


This is the chap in charge (as mentioned in the North Star distribution deal), Hudson Adams

https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/press-release-north-star-military-figures-to-distribute

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006928637906

and he's been active on facebook (and interested in/posting about minis/gaming) since 2015 at least

and if your interested but worried just buy through North Star


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 22:25:14


Post by: NoseGoblin


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Is this from the guy(s) who ran Wargames Factory (into bankruptcy) and then started Defiance Games and ran that into bankruptcy too? It has that look.


No, no relation to the Reidy clan... He simply uses the same artist that Riedy once used, so it may remind you of that.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 22:26:19


Post by: Sabotage!


Honestly I'm pretty tired of seeing "Space Germans," but these guys actually look pretty good. I think excluding the Stahlhelm and some of the iconography had gone a long way. They went for the less used German parachutist helmet, and they actually look somewhat sci-fi rather than "gas mask German with laser gun." They remind me a lot of Steel Legion, who if I remember correctly were also based of WW2 German parachute divisions.

They also look better than the horribly aged plastic Cadians, and are likely significantly cheaper as well, so would probably be a good generic Guard option as well.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 22:28:49


Post by: frozenwastes


A trademark database search turned up:

Wargames Atlantic LLC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY RHODE ISLAND #1006 270 Bellevue Avenue Newport RHODE ISLAND 02840

That address is a PO box virtual office location.

One thing I'll say is that I'd never want my trade dress to remind people of wargames factory and defiance games and then have no information on my website about who I am, register my domain anonymously and use a virtual office to register my trademarks. If Nick hadn't mentioned who was actually running Wargames Atlantic in his post about carrying the line, I would have assumed the trade dress looking like defiance/tony type stuff was enough to go off of.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 23:39:17


Post by: kestral


Always nice to see some new guard options... ...but we need a scale shot!


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/01 23:59:14


Post by: Yodhrin


 kestral wrote:
Always nice to see some new guard options... ...but we need a scale shot!


This. And please, people, you can get a modern GW mini off ebay for pennies, don't use 20+ year old stuff that isn't even close to the modern scale & proportions.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/02 01:36:36


Post by: Gallahad


Here is a scale shot for the skeletons I found on their Facebook:


Not too helpful for those of you interested in their sci-fi kits, but at least the fantasy releases are scaled for fantasy and not historical.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/02 02:36:23


Post by: Dr Mathias


 Yodhrin wrote:

This. And please, people, you can get a modern GW mini off ebay for pennies, don't use 20+ year old stuff that isn't even close to the modern scale & proportions.


Well, what would you like to see one up next to? Give me a few choices.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/02 02:56:40


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


A Cadian or a space marine would help me grasp the scale. Perhaps a Primaris or scion would work in a pinch.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/02 06:50:38


Post by: Stormonu


Those sprues are certainly laid out in the same manner as the old Wargames Factory.

I think those Germans might work as GSC brood brothers to counterpoint my WGF greatcoat IG...


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/02 06:53:51


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I wonder if they'll have the same rules sheets with "That's Good/ That's Bad" columns.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/02 09:18:04


Post by: Yodhrin


 Dr Mathias wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:

This. And please, people, you can get a modern GW mini off ebay for pennies, don't use 20+ year old stuff that isn't even close to the modern scale & proportions.


Well, what would you like to see one up next to? Give me a few choices.


How about using one of the currently sold skeletons instead of one from the 90's?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/02 14:32:44


Post by: Albino Squirrel


 NoseGoblin wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Is this from the guy(s) who ran Wargames Factory (into bankruptcy) and then started Defiance Games and ran that into bankruptcy too? It has that look.


No, no relation to the Reidy clan... He simply uses the same artist that Riedy once used, so it may remind you of that.


Thank you for that information. The style of artwork definitely looked familiar.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/02 21:22:51


Post by: Gimgamgoo


 Yodhrin wrote:
 Dr Mathias wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:

This. And please, people, you can get a modern GW mini off ebay for pennies, don't use 20+ year old stuff that isn't even close to the modern scale & proportions.


Well, what would you like to see one up next to? Give me a few choices.


How about using one of the currently sold skeletons instead of one from the 90's?


As someone who uses those old GW skeletons in his KoW armies, I appreciate the inclusion in the scale comparison.
I'm sure current GW fans buying the latest GW stuff aren't going to be into these figures, but all the older fans who are prepared to buy non GW stuff are.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/02 21:44:17


Post by: Galas


They look a little off because they have Heroic scale heads and weapons but realistic scale hands.

But ey they are 24 for 30€ aprox and good looking. I think I have found my imperial guard kits! I have a good bunch of Tempestus Scions but this style is very cool and theyll look different enough to be used as normal infantry squads.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/03 01:35:28


Post by: Dr Mathias


 Yodhrin wrote:


How about using one of the currently sold skeletons instead of one from the 90's?


I don't have any of the new GW skeletons but I'll see what I can scrounge up. I can do a shot of the sci-fi with more recent 40K though.



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/03 02:37:06


Post by: Galas


That would be much appreciated!


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/03 02:38:02


Post by: Gallahad


 Dr Mathias wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:


How about using one of the currently sold skeletons instead of one from the 90's?


I don't have any of the new GW skeletons but I'll see what I can scrounge up. I can do a shot of the sci-fi with more recent 40K though.



Thanks Dr Mathias, almost anything you have will likely be better than what we have now, which is a big nothing!

Thanks for helping out some fellow hobbyists!


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/03 04:07:51


Post by: Yodhrin


 Gimgamgoo wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
 Dr Mathias wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:

This. And please, people, you can get a modern GW mini off ebay for pennies, don't use 20+ year old stuff that isn't even close to the modern scale & proportions.


Well, what would you like to see one up next to? Give me a few choices.


How about using one of the currently sold skeletons instead of one from the 90's?


As someone who uses those old GW skeletons in his KoW armies, I appreciate the inclusion in the scale comparison.
I'm sure current GW fans buying the latest GW stuff aren't going to be into these figures, but all the older fans who are prepared to buy non GW stuff are.


As an older fan who's prepared to buy both GW and non GW stuff, I can confirm you are in fact wrong. In fact, replacing a goofy old sculpt that lives or dies on nostalgia alone is one of the primary reasons I buy non GW stuff. In this particular case, having "plain" skeletons that match the modern ones in scale & style would be excellent, since they'd be a much better basis for Tomb Kings, but that's hard to discern when having to "translate" via the comical old Angryskull McGiantlimbs models.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/03 04:15:21


Post by: Barzam


I have to agree, the graphic designer they went with gives them a very Defiance Games feel. I'd be curious to try out a box of the Germans. One can never have too many Space Germans. I like that idea of using them as GSC troops, too.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/03 13:40:44


Post by: friareriner


This really needs to be a box of 32 Space Germans.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/03 22:52:27


Post by: frozenwastes


I wonder how close the torsos are to skitarii. I have a ton of ranger and vanguard extra heads and weapons and the long coats of these sci-fi germans might be perfect for that.

Hmmm...


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/04 00:48:38


Post by: Elbows


Also, for what it's worth, Wargames Factory still exists but they no longer produce or retail their own stuff - they sold off their designs to Warlord, but last I had heard they were remaining in existence as a company who plans/designs/produces kits for other companies. This is obviously post-Reidy or whatever his name was.

So it's entirely possible this company is using Wargames Factory for design/production/etc. No data to back this up, but the smiliarities being so strong it's feasible.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/04 02:04:30


Post by: Dr Mathias


 Elbows wrote:
Also, for what it's worth, Wargames Factory still exists but they no longer produce or retail their own stuff - they sold off their designs to Warlord, but last I had heard they were remaining in existence as a company who plans/designs/produces kits for other companies. This is obviously post-Reidy or whatever his name was.

So it's entirely possible this company is using Wargames Factory for design/production/etc. No data to back this up, but the smiliarities being so strong it's feasible.


The guy behind Wargames Atlantic was never part of Wargames Factory or Defiance. He's using a variety of freelancers, some of who did work for WGF. The methodology behind the running of the company is totally different than the way Reidy ran things. I agree that the aesthetic (particularly packaging) looks similar.

The factory doing molds is a different one from WGF, but the person running it is former WGF guy- hence the similarity in mold design.


L-R: Dreamforge Eisenkern (aftermarket head), Wargames Atlantic, GW Blackstone Traitor Guard, Wargames Atlantic, GW Blackstone Chaos Marine, Wargames Atlantic, GW Cadian Body (aftermarket head).


L-R: Raging Heroes, Wargames Atlantic, GW Cultist, Wargames Atlantic, GW Necromunda Goliath, Wargames Atlantic, GW Tau.


L-R: Necromunda Escher, Wargames Atlantic, Victoria Miniatures, Wargames Atlantic, GW Blackstone Rogue Trader, Wargames Atlantic, Raging Heroes.


L-R: GW Traitor Guard, Dreamforge Eisenkern, Wargames Atlantic Skeleton, GW Empire Body (Bretonnian head).

Apologies, I have no fantasy figures from GW more recent than 2000, other than the guy with the Empire body.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/04 03:09:02


Post by: Gallahad


Dude, big thank you. They look great to me. You obviously know how to take a scale shot! Not to mention your fantastic painting!

Thanks for taking the shot from level and them all being in the same bases.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/04 09:56:10


Post by: Tamereth


The skeletons are nice, I always prefer some jason and the argonauts style bare skeletons, but the mix of weapons is annoying, 8 of each!

Bah, I'll have to get several boxes to make whole 20 "man" units.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/04 10:57:48


Post by: NightReaver


Well that settles that. Hello new Steel Legion! Already got more tanks than I know what to do with.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/04 12:27:41


Post by: Galas


Yeah those scale shoots have convinced me. They mix extremely well!


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/04 20:23:46


Post by: judgedoug


I've been chatting with Mr. Adams for a little while and he showed me test shots a while back - the Raumsjager are designed to be fully compatible with Cadian plastics, and many of the pics he sent me showed the two kits mixed. I would not want to repost them here as I do not have permission, but they fit perfectly with plastic Cadians. I predict many Cadian players will be pleased with the ability to make perhaps Veteran infantry using the two kits combined.

I have also seen previews of the next few kits that are in tooling right now and they are fantastic. They will be producing historical, fantasy, and science fiction plastic infantry kits throughout the foreseeable future.

edit: the artwork may seem familiar to many because the first two kits' illustrations are by the famous historical illustrator Peter Dennis.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/04 20:30:05


Post by: Elbows


I don't mind the new troopers - don't love them, but I don't mind them. I think a backpack and a different head would set them up pretty well. Luckily that's the easiest thing to do. Not an army I'm starting, but I think it'll do well with people (until GW does a proper guard re-release).


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/16 18:24:38


Post by: Gallahad


Beasts of War has some coverage. The coverage seems a little low effort, but the models look good. I really like the sci-fi armor additions to the Raumjagers.
https://www.beastsofwar.com/featured/quick-look-wargames-atlantic-skeletons-troopers-and-fauns/

For those clamoring for equal gender representation on the tabletop it looks like the Raumjagers include a bare female head and I have it on good authority that one of the helmeted heads has a female head on the inside...


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/16 18:40:42


Post by: frozenwastes


They should have put the pictures lower down in the post into the video itself.












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My thoughts:

Fauns look like the detail is super shallow. Like if you like to highlight it'll be a pain to get the paint where you want it.

Skeletons look good. I have a ton of weapon arms and heads left over from my GW skeletons so I might grab a set of these to make more basic undead units by combining the parts

Troopers - not a fan of the heads or the collars.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/16 19:00:56


Post by: Elbows


Yeah those are not very enticing pics. The troopers remain "okay" to me, and the skeletons are easily the best. The Fauns look awful, but it may just be the pics.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/16 19:14:14


Post by: Gallahad


 Elbows wrote:
Yeah those are not very enticing pics. The troopers remain "okay" to me, and the skeletons are easily the best. The Fauns look awful, but it may just be the pics.

I think it is just the pics. Here is a plastic faun primed white from the faun thread:

Here are some better pictures of the raw plastic from another blog:


https://blog.untilsomebodylosesaneye.net/2019/05/fauning-all-over-you.html?fbclid=IwAR0Omr3STuK8uX-cx3Fff3u4Um5uBwHRs_iQGJOxYmACX1RWFsdq88X_6-4&m=1


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/16 21:36:06


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I tried ordering the raumsjager through my FLGS. It looks like they'll be as hard to get in the US as any Frostgrave kit. Might have to wait months.

Has anyone ordered directly from Wargames Atlantic?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/16 21:59:49


Post by: rgdgaming


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I tried ordering the raumsjager through my FLGS. It looks like they'll be as hard to get in the US as any Frostgrave kit. Might have to wait months.

Has anyone ordered directly from Wargames Atlantic?



They just recently set up, and are getting product ready according to their facebook page . They are very US based, so you'll be able to get these soon. I know they are very motivated to get distribution settled in the US.


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 Elbows wrote:
Yeah those are not very enticing pics. The troopers remain "okay" to me, and the skeletons are easily the best. The Fauns look awful, but it may just be the pics.



The reviewer was excommunicated for not observing the removal of mold lines, and I agree, the pics are not suiting


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/18 02:08:10


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Please let me know when they are set up through a big, American distributor.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/18 03:37:51


Post by: rgdgaming


Ill let you know how the skeleton preorder went!


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/18 15:19:34


Post by: NightReaver


I pre-ordered 3 boxes of the infantry. I can post some pics/comments when I get them if anybody is interested.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/18 17:39:44


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


That would be awesome, thanks.

@Nightreaver, where did you preorder from? The Wargames Atlantic site?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/18 19:58:49


Post by: NightReaver


Yup, decided to say screw it and went for a 3 box preorder deal.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/19 00:11:43


Post by: judgedoug


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I tried ordering the raumsjager through my FLGS. It looks like they'll be as hard to get in the US as any Frostgrave kit. Might have to wait months.

Has anyone ordered directly from Wargames Atlantic?


FYI Warlord are now distributing the Frostgrave and Oathmark plastics ($32 msrp I believe). Any game store with a Warlord account can order them. They are on their trade order forms under the Warlords of Erehwon section.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/19 02:49:48


Post by: Stormonu


Hmmm. Those German foot infantry look kinda squashed. I really liked the concept art, but the actual minis look overly wide. :(


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/19 12:05:30


Post by: Gallahad


 Stormonu wrote:
Hmmm. Those German foot infantry look kinda squashed. I really liked the concept art, but the actual minis look overly wide. :(

Sounds like they were designed to work with Cadians, so the wideness probably comes from that.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/19 12:43:47


Post by: NightReaver


That's heroic scale for ya. Looking at the scale pics, they look fine when lined up against other GW products. When I get mine in I'll have to compare them to some Dreamforge Eisenkern I got lying around.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/29 15:12:44


Post by: Gallahad


From their newsletter, the Skeletons and Raumjagers should start shipping this week from both US and UK hubs.

They also shared some art from their next sci-fi box sets:


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/29 15:25:41


Post by: Barzam


Huh. That dwarf design is actually not bad. Curious to see more.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/29 15:41:21


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Plastic Vostroyans? Hope they don't get a tersely worded letter.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/29 16:38:55


Post by: Gallahad


I don't think that is a dwarf but a viking.
Also, I don't think GW can come after them for Napoleonics in space.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/30 00:38:16


Post by: kestral


Old Guard in Space!? Sign me up!


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/30 01:46:37


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


 kestral wrote:
Old Guard in Space!? Sign me up!

Vive L'Empereur ! (That's a "me too".)


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/30 11:03:01


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured



North Star Military Figures

Wargames Atlantic.
The new box sets from Wargames Atlantic are with us today!
We'll be shipping the pre-orders tomorrow.
http://northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=278&page=1


these now seem to be hitting normal retail in the uk


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/30 14:15:47


Post by: Albino Squirrel


Ah, if only those had come out about 10 years ago, it might have been just what I was looking for. I ended up making my own Napoleonic guardsmen: http://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2010/09/painted-renegade-imperial-guard.html


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/30 15:13:15


Post by: Dr Mathias


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Ah, if only those had come out about 10 years ago, it might have been just what I was looking for. I ended up making my own Napoleonic guardsmen: http://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2010/09/painted-renegade-imperial-guard.html


I remember seeing those make the rounds a while back, very cool!


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/30 18:28:06


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


Nifty conversion!

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Ah, if only those had come out about 10 years ago, it might have been just what I was looking for. I ended up making my own Napoleonic guardsmen: http://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2010/09/painted-renegade-imperial-guard.html


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/30 19:28:26


Post by: Elbows


Luckily they should be safe from GW, because space-Napoleonics is nothing they can really clamp down on. As someone who likes Vostroyans but didn't have the funds to dump $500 for a playable force when they came back for production, I'd be keen on a quality set of stand-in fellows. However, I have to say the previous page's Guard troopers are a bit underwhelming to me, so I hope the Napoleonic-Space-Guard are a bit better.

EDIT: As someone who still dabbles in 2nd edition, I'd also consider squats...again if done well.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/30 21:09:01


Post by: davou


very cool! following


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/05/31 03:55:00


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


Anvil Industries has Grenadier bearskins with and without gasmasks. They also have turban heads should you want an East Indian Company or Indian Sepoys of the British Raj. Have not purchased from them, but I like the idea of Brodie Helmet Gladiator heads + Gothic Void torsos as the base for a Rogue Trader marine unit. The Tesla Disintegrator looks suitably weird science as well.

Victoria Miniatures has male and female ushanka heads which work for Valhallan IG (i.e. WWII Soviet army), but not the taller headgear of the Vostroyans (Czarist Russian army?).

It might be possible to use either Perry or Warlord Games plastic Zulu War British Infantry as a basis for a Praetorian Guard army. Both the above companies have enough sci-fi weapons to make converting simple. (It's something I have thought about, as I do like the Praetorian Guard but never bought the box back in the day. Have some heavy weapons teams that were on sale prior to GW closing out the line.)

 Elbows wrote:
Luckily they should be safe from GW, because space-Napoleonics is nothing they can really clamp down on. As someone who likes Vostroyans but didn't have the funds to dump $500 for a playable force when they came back for production, I'd be keen on a quality set of stand-in fellows. However, I have to say the previous page's Guard troopers are a bit underwhelming to me, so I hope the Napoleonic-Space-Guard are a bit better.

EDIT: As someone who still dabbles in 2nd edition, I'd also consider squats...again if done well.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/14 17:05:46


Post by: lord marcus


Wargames Atlantic have launched a Facebook group called The Wargames Atlantic legion.

They posted these teaser pics of the French. 6 head options. 3 gaskmasked, 3 non gasmasked. Old guard bearskin, WW1, and the one not pictured yet is apparently a hardcap kepi Blanc based on the foreign legion.





24 infantry per kit for $34.95 USD, with preorder deals apparently.

The kit will come with enough of each head option to cover the entire 24 man complement.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/14 17:33:33


Post by: BrookM


I'll be getting a free sprue later this year, looking forward to seeing how they turn out.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/14 18:19:16


Post by: Maniac_nmt


They do look like a nice option for alternative IG models. A potentially easy/good way to get not-Vostroyans or not-Death Korps onto the table.

They've also got a potentially nice halfling and Persian kit coming this year as well:

https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/halflings-and-persians-and-paint

I like their slimmer, more 'realistic' armored halflings, which look similar to Westfalia's amazing sculpts.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/14 18:42:33


Post by: Perfect Organism


Those 'grognards' look excellent. Even if I don't make an army of them, I'm going to at least buy a box just to paint. Very tempted to make an army though.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/14 19:07:03


Post by: frozenwastes


I really like the WW1 sci fi french helmet. Looks awesome.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/14 20:20:02


Post by: lord_blackfang


So I got a box of the skeletons and I have to say I'm a lot less thrilled with them in person. The legs are chunky like previous GW skeletons but the torsos and arms are more 28mm truescale slender, so the figures end up looking like they have elephantiasis.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/14 20:44:43


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


Agreed. Will want to see the foreign legion option first, as that's a higher priority for me than the "Old Guard", even though I started mini wargaming as a French Napoleonics player. The French foreign legion is only available as metal 28mm, while one can get Old Guard Grenadiers in plastic for conversion fodder. (IIRC, some one on Dakka Dakka did just that for their personalized 40k Guard army.) Will not make an army regardless, but Kill Team, rather likely.

As for the Halflings. I do like the more serious and professional look as opposed to the comic look. Yes, Halflings are not a warlike culture, but they are not stupid either, and trying to fight off orcs and goblins with a turkey leg and a steak knife is ing stupid. Ironically, I suspect Halflings in a more dangerous fantasy world would resemble the pre-WWI British Royal Army. Few in numbers, but highly trained professionals with incredible marksmanship skills.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Those 'grognards' look excellent. Even if I don't make an army of them, I'm going to at least buy a box just to paint. Very tempted to make an army though.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/15 01:30:03


Post by: lord marcus


 lord_blackfang wrote:
So I got a box of the skeletons and I have to say I'm a lot less thrilled with them in person. The legs are chunky like previous GW skeletons but the torsos and arms are more 28mm truescale slender, so the figures end up looking like they have elephantiasis.


Can you take a photo and mark what you are describing, please?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/15 02:03:46


Post by: Albino Squirrel


 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
... (IIRC, some one on Dakka Dakka did just that for their personalized 40k Guard army.)....


I think that was me.




Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/15 06:47:31


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


Yes it is, and you even posted earlier in the thread! Anyway, where did you get the weapons?
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
... (IIRC, some one on Dakka Dakka did just that for their personalized 40k Guard army.)....


I think that was me.



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/15 13:19:57


Post by: Albino Squirrel


For the regular guardsmen, they are just the weapons that came with the Wargames Factory Shock Troopers, which as far as I know are no longer being manufactured anymore, and I have no idea if anyone even owns the molds or rights to them. All I did was give them the heads from some Old Guard Grenadiers from Victrix miniatures.

For many of the conscripts, I just cut off the tip of the musket and replaced it with a lasgun tip to make a sort of las-musket. Many others have some very old Eldar guardian lasguns (from back when Eldar guardians carried lasguns). With a few other metal autoguns or lasguns mixed in that I scrounged up in order to get enough weapons for all 50 I did. Current (at the time) guardsman lasguns seemed much too big for them, but the old Eldar ones looked okay. There are more details here: http://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2011/05/renegade-imperial-guard-conscript.html


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/15 13:32:49


Post by: lord_blackfang


 lord marcus wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
So I got a box of the skeletons and I have to say I'm a lot less thrilled with them in person. The legs are chunky like previous GW skeletons but the torsos and arms are more 28mm truescale slender, so the figures end up looking like they have elephantiasis.


Can you take a photo and mark what you are describing, please?


I'm away from home but really you can see the legs are disproportionate even on promo pictures if you know to look for it.

https://images.beastsofwar.com/2019/03/Skeleton-Warriors-Painted-Examples-Wargames-Atlantic.jpeg


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/15 13:59:31


Post by: Fenriswulf


I can't unsee it now, which is a shame as these looked like a really good deal. Still love their spears, bows and shields though.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/15 14:12:33


Post by: Gallahad


I think it is a but of a tough dilemma with skeletons, if you make ones with thinner more realistic bones they get very fiddly and fragile very fast, particularly in the ankles (like Warlord's skeletons). If you go with thicker bones you get chunky 90s era GW skeletons.
It looks like WA went for a compromise with thicker legs, but a little bit thinner arms.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/15 16:45:47


Post by: lord marcus


 Gallahad wrote:
I think it is a but of a tough dilemma with skeletons, if you make ones with thinner more realistic bones they get very fiddly and fragile very fast, particularly in the ankles (like Warlord's skeletons). If you go with thicker bones you get chunky 90s era GW skeletons.
It looks like WA went for a compromise with thicker legs, but a little bit thinner arms.


And that's why I'm ok with it, honestly


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/15 17:50:26


Post by: Slayer Dragonwing


 Gallahad wrote:
I think it is a but of a tough dilemma with skeletons, if you make ones with thinner more realistic bones they get very fiddly and fragile very fast, particularly in the ankles (like Warlord's skeletons). If you go with thicker bones you get chunky 90s era GW skeletons.
It looks like WA went for a compromise with thicker legs, but a little bit thinner arms.


Skeletons are tricky. I am curious about the Wargames Atlantic ones, but I don't need any more skeletons right now. If I ever need some, I may pick up a few sprues and see how they compare. On the other hand, I ordered a free sprue of the halflings from the wargaming survey, and am interested to see how they turn out and what options they come with.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/16 01:37:12


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


Thanks for the reply. As for Wargames Factory, IIRC, Warlord Games has the rights, as the zombies and survivor were re-released in Project Z (with some new sculpts like a bike gang.) The Rising Sun line was the bulk of 1st ed. Test of Honour, and the skellies and orcs are part of Warlord of Erewhon. Now that Test of Honour is owned by someone else and in a 2nd ed, I don't know what happened to the Rising Sun line.

https://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/project-z/products/project-z-the-zombie-miniatures-game
https://us-store.warlordgames.com/products/warlords-of-erehwon-quick-starter

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
For the regular guardsmen, they are just the weapons that came with the Wargames Factory Shock Troopers, which as far as I know are no longer being manufactured anymore, and I have no idea if anyone even owns the molds or rights to them. All I did was give them the heads from some Old Guard Grenadiers from Victrix miniatures.

For many of the conscripts, I just cut off the tip of the musket and replaced it with a lasgun tip to make a sort of las-musket. Many others have some very old Eldar guardian lasguns (from back when Eldar guardians carried lasguns). With a few other metal autoguns or lasguns mixed in that I scrounged up in order to get enough weapons for all 50 I did. Current (at the time) guardsman lasguns seemed much too big for them, but the old Eldar ones looked okay. There are more details here: http://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2011/05/renegade-imperial-guard-conscript.html


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/16 02:27:10


Post by: Albino Squirrel


It looks like the Rising Sun/Japanese stuff is now in the Pike and Shotte range. https://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/feudal-japan-1467-1603


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/16 19:02:56


Post by: lord marcus


Back to topic:

Wargames Atlantic have revealed the kepi option



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/17 03:10:35


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Are they going to add any trim or bling to those hats?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/17 03:38:22


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


The kepi blanc is pretty plain.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/French-Foreign-Legion/media/1/213365/228643
The officers do get some braid & "scrambled eggs"; hopefully they'll provide a few officers' heads.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/622200504745261716

"You are French Foreign Legionnaires in order to die, and France will send you to where you can die." - Sign over the entrance to Legion barracks.
Le Boudin - March of the French Foreign Legion (vidéo officielle)

Edit: Changed link to the Official Légion étrangère video of Le Boudin. Better close-ups of the uniforms
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Are they going to add any trim or bling to those hats?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/17 03:45:29


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


The rest of the trooper is not slaved to historical accuracy. A line of miniatures designed to capitalize on GW's aesthetics should not skimp on what makes GW's aesthetic successful.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/17 05:57:05


Post by: Elbows


The blank kepi is fine. Cramming it over a gas mask...is not.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/17 06:12:34


Post by: lord marcus


 Elbows wrote:
The blank kepi is fine. Cramming it over a gas mask...is not.


The kit comes with both gaskmadk wearing and non gasmask wearing heads with kepis


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/17 08:43:47


Post by: Perfect Organism


I guess at this point the design is finalized, but I feel those kepis could benefit from having a bit more detail. The actual FL ones are very plain and cylindrical, but on a model that looks kind of artificial and 'fake' to me. I think a very slight taper, a rounded lip on both the upper and lower edges, and possibly even a slight wrinkle might make them look more like cloth. Also, I think they would look better with chin-staps (either under the chin to hold them in place or over the brim) and those neck-curtains (not sure what the real name for those is; the piece of cloth that hangs from the back of the kepi to protect the back of the neck from sun. Not even sure if they are part of the kepi or something worn under it, but it is a very iconic foreign legion look).

[Thumb - kepi.png]


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/22 19:51:37


Post by: lord marcus





Apparently you can win two boxes if you join Wargames Atlantic's new Facebook group.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/26 20:33:50


Post by: Easy E


I am interested in seeing more of the Persians please.....


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/27 03:20:25


Post by: lord marcus


 Easy E wrote:
I am interested in seeing more of the Persians please.....


This is what we got so far:

https://www.karwansaraypublishers.com/wssnews/exclusive-preview-wargames-atlantic-persians/


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/27 20:29:54


Post by: Elbows


Did the Wargames Factory Persian releases end up at Warlord Games, or just disappear? They had a small range of Persians prior to changing business priorities. Either way, useful for a lot of people I'd imagine.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/27 20:34:52


Post by: Gallahad


I think they just disappeared. They were decent multipurpose figures, but had some issues like weird limb sizes and the neck connection being different between the infantry and the cavalry.

I'm excited to see some other Persians show up in plastic, but like most historical kits, I wish they were just a tad larger.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/08/31 17:32:09


Post by: lord marcus


 Gallahad wrote:
I think they just disappeared. They were decent multipurpose figures, but had some issues like weird limb sizes and the neck connection being different between the infantry and the cavalry.

I'm excited to see some other Persians show up in plastic, but like most historical kits, I wish they were just a tad larger.


The new kit makes me hopefully for a good replacement for my WGF horde.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/02 16:31:11


Post by: Cataphract


There is a set of the Ramujagers in my local hobby store. A tad tempted by them. Want to see more of this “Death Fields” game of their’s


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/02 16:56:41


Post by: Esmer


I find it very interesting that their current ranges - SciFi Germans, Persians and Greek-themed Skeletons - are identical to those of former Wargames Factory, yet the sculpts themselves are completely new (and better) from what I can tell.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/02 17:05:29


Post by: Dr Mathias


Cataphract wrote:
There is a set of the Ramujagers in my local hobby store. A tad tempted by them. Want to see more of this “Death Fields” game of their’s


I don't know that there is a game in development, I think Death Fields is the name of the sci-fi range. There are some sci-fi Napoleonics on the way, and some space dwarves.

I may be wrong about the game!


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/02 17:28:33


Post by: alphaecho


 Dr Mathias wrote:
Cataphract wrote:
There is a set of the Ramujagers in my local hobby store. A tad tempted by them. Want to see more of this “Death Fields” game of their’s


I don't know that there is a game in development, I think Death Fields is the name of the sci-fi range. There are some sci-fi Napoleonics on the way, and some space dwarves.

I may be wrong about the game!


I think initially it is just a setting to explain why their output is sci-fi themed versions of military from across the ages.

Aliens like seeing humans fight and lift them from time to do so, hence laser weapon Napoleonic/ WWI French Infantry and WWII paratroopers get to have a barney!


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 15:48:52


Post by: lord marcus





Preview of Les grognards is up.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 16:08:03


Post by: bbb


Quite interesting.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 16:13:32


Post by: Elbows


They look okay. I know they're trying to showcase the various bits in the cover art, but I hope you can build a squad with each head, etc. If it becomes "20 guys in the box, and you get 12 bearskin caps..." it'll be pretty ruinous for collecting.

If anything you could see if the bodies/heads work with a choice of resin-aftermarket arms. Some bits on them, namely the rifles, look really poor.

If the bodies/heads/backpacks are good it could be an okay kit. It's not as impressive looking as I was hoping, but I can't really complain if the price is right and it gives a good shoving off point.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 16:29:51


Post by: Albino Squirrel


There will be only 3 of these per sprue, instead of the 4 per sprue of the Raumjager. So there is probably room for plenty of heads. But that might also mean these will come in a box of 18 instead of 24.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 16:33:24


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


The Raumjagers only had 3 of the good heads and three las guns for every four bodies. I really hope there are three masked, bearskin-hatted Vostroyan heads per each three-man sprue. At least they seem to have other enclosed heads on the sprue.

These guns don't look grimdark sci fi enough. A good "Pancor" barrel would have saved them. Maybe it'll be easy to snip the tip at an angle...

As for scaling with third party parts, they are halfway between GW heroic scale and true scale. The arms looked ok, if large-handed, on Mantic plastics. They'd probably fit well with Dreamforge parts, but I haven't had the time to dig some DFG bits out and test them. On the Raumjagers sprue, the capped female head seems to be in a noticeably "truer" scale than the masculine heads, and it still looks good on the RJ body, although her clothes look relatively bigger and thicker.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 16:37:27


Post by: lord marcus


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
There will be only 3 of these per sprue, instead of the 4 per sprue of the Raumjager. So there is probably room for plenty of heads. But that might also mean these will come in a box of 18 instead of 24.


It has been confirmed on the Facebook group.

3 of each head style pictured (bearskin gasmask, bearskin non gasmask, kepi gasmask, kepi non gasmask, WW1 gasmask, WW1 non gasmask) per sprue
.3 bodies per sprue

Box of 24 figures


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 Elbows wrote:
They look okay. I know they're trying to showcase the various bits in the cover art, but I hope you can build a squad with each head, etc. If it becomes "20 guys in the box, and you get 12 bearskin caps..." it'll be pretty ruinous for collecting.

If anything you could see if the bodies/heads work with a choice of resin-aftermarket arms. Some bits on them, namely the rifles, look really poor.

If the bodies/heads/backpacks are good it could be an okay kit. It's not as impressive looking as I was hoping, but I can't really complain if the price is right and it gives a good shoving off point.


1. see my above post on the head situation.

2. Why is the rifle poor?

3. Im quite stoked for these. The greatcoats are quite good.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 16:42:17


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


The lasrifles held up have different barrel tips than the lasrifles held down or shooting. It's the Mantic Dwarf Ranger sprue all over again.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 16:47:36


Post by: lord marcus


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The lasrifles held up have different barrel tips than the lasrifles held down or shooting. It's the Mantic Dwarf Ranger sprue all over again.


They all look the same to me?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 16:52:28


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Look closely. The two guys in front middle have guns with little nozzle-barrels, whereas the others have barrels that end in thicker, blunter cylinders, like flashlights. Also, the shooting barrels seem to have less verticality there.

We're these hand-sculpted?


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PS: I think they are using Simpsons-style Nobel Peace Prizes for bayonets. Ironic.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 18:01:40


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


The WW1 helmet is the M15 Adrian helmet. If one needs more, Anvil Industries stocks them, with and without gas masks.

Clever of Wargames Atlantic to package this set with multiple head choices for three different "periods". Probably they can't afford to put out 3 different boxes so this is a workable compromise.

Any word on the price?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 19:22:09


Post by: lord marcus


 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
The WW1 helmet is the M15 Adrian helmet. If one needs more, Anvil Industries stocks them, with and without gas masks.

Clever of Wargames Atlantic to package this set with multiple head choices for three different "periods". Probably they can't afford to put out 3 different boxes so this is a workable compromise.

Any word on the price?


Hudson mentioned $35, like thier not-steel-legion

For 144 heads and 24 bodies, not a bad kit.

Also, they are probably going to have multi box deals


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 19:27:07


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I wonder how the Maelstrom's Edge plastics would scale if you really want to go wild kit bashing...


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 19:48:52


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I wonder how the Maelstrom's Edge plastics would scale if you really want to go wild kit bashing...


I'll dig some of those out, too. Thinking back, The Broken seem to share a similar heroicality of scale.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 20:09:23


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


Thanks. Yes, it's a decent price, and one will have plenty of heads (and perhaps other bits) for other projects. If they have multi-box deals, that's good for people who want a Imperial Guard army. I'll just want one box for Kill Team myself. I wonder if the heads could be used with either Victoria Miniature torsos or Anvil torsos?
 lord marcus wrote:

Hudson mentioned $35, like thier not-steel-legion

For 144 heads and 24 bodies, not a bad kit.

Also, they are probably going to have multi box deals


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 20:11:24


Post by: Elbows


RE: Marcus

Simple, I don't like the rifles. They look a bit short, a bit busy and their bayonets are somewhat comical looking. I also don't much care for their special weapons...they just look clunky/overdesigned. Luckily if these match up with resin arms/rifles that's an easy fix. You'd still save heaps of money getting 24 bodies for $35, etc. I don't need the kit to be perfect (it'd be a blessing if it was though!). Good news on the heads as well. Do these guys come with backpacks?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 20:59:39


Post by: BrookM


I'll await the arrival of that free sprue later this year with some anticipation, they don't look all that bad.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 21:39:11


Post by: Easy E


 lord marcus wrote:
 Easy E wrote:
I am interested in seeing more of the Persians please.....


This is what we got so far:

https://www.karwansaraypublishers.com/wssnews/exclusive-preview-wargames-atlantic-persians/


Thanks, the spearman looks good, but I am less sure about the archer. I am sure they will look good in a Men of Bronze army though.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/03 22:50:03


Post by: lord marcus


 Elbows wrote:
RE: Marcus

Simple, I don't like the rifles. They look a bit short, a bit busy and their bayonets are somewhat comical looking. I also don't much care for their special weapons...they just look clunky/overdesigned. Luckily if these match up with resin arms/rifles that's an easy fix. You'd still save heaps of money getting 24 bodies for $35, etc. I don't need the kit to be perfect (it'd be a blessing if it was though!). Good news on the heads as well. Do these guys come with backpacks?


I can understand your reasoning on the weaponry. For the record I actually like it although I agree that the bandits are a little weird but then bayonets are hard to sculpt and have come out good in smaller scales anyway.

From what I understand they come with backpacks


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/04 00:44:26


Post by: Albino Squirrel


The bayonets are probably my least favorite thing about them. And they look like they won't be very easy to remove. It would have been a good idea to design them so they are easy to remove without damaging the rest of the rifle. That will be a huge number of extra heads, though, if one can find some use for them.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/04 00:58:01


Post by: kestral


Those have some serious potential for many projects! Especially if Cavalry were to also appear.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/04 03:34:00


Post by: Elbows


Yeah if they made a reasonable $35 kit for 10-12 "sci fi cavalry", say hello Rough Riders (although I admit I think GW will produce a new plastic Rough Rider kit in the future)


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/04 03:44:43


Post by: lord marcus


 Elbows wrote:
Yeah if they made a reasonable $35 kit for 10-12 "sci fi cavalry", say hello Rough Riders (although I admit I think GW will produce a new plastic Rough Rider kit in the future)


That won't be on horses. Knowing them they will repurpose the cad files for the GSC bikes and stick cadians or catachans on them.

Greatcoat cav would be excellent.



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/04 05:36:05


Post by: frozenwastes


It might just be me, but the angle from the wastes to the bottom of the great coats looks really off. Like instead of them being great coats, they look like gowns or dresses.

Spoiler:


Actually now that I think about it, if you wanted miniatures that looked obviously feminine while still being dressed reasonably, combining these with some Victoria of Statuesque heads might make for a great all female guard regiment. The flaring out of the bottom half of the great coat definitely gives the impression of a wider hip to waist ratio without being in any way sexualized.



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/04 05:45:18


Post by: alphaecho




Any other versions of the photo. I'm working away from home with limited facilities for the next couple of months and the pic in the original post isn't working for me.

As per others here, I have a sprue or two on the way after completing the wargames survey and I'm interested in what I'll be getting.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/04 05:46:27


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


 lord marcus wrote:
Greatcoat cav would be excellent.

For inspiration, here are two links to the Napoleonic French Grenadier à cheval de la Garde Impériale

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Guard_Grenadier_at_Eylau.jpg
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/historex-661-grenadier-a-cheval-la-garde-1804-1815--975227


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/04 06:22:32


Post by: Elbows


 lord marcus wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
Yeah if they made a reasonable $35 kit for 10-12 "sci fi cavalry", say hello Rough Riders (although I admit I think GW will produce a new plastic Rough Rider kit in the future)


That won't be on horses. Knowing them they will repurpose the cad files for the GSC bikes and stick cadians or catachans on them.

Greatcoat cav would be excellent.



Oh, I agree. The Rough Riders will end up being on some very particular sci-fi beasty with an awful name.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/04 14:51:09


Post by: rgdgaming


His cavalry set would be a good place for rough riders. Also quite possible to get beast themed rough riders soon, as he is helping producing those as well with rgdgaming.

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Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/05 03:39:16


Post by: lord marcus


rgdgaming wrote:
His cavalry set would be a good place for rough riders. Also quite possible to get beast themed rough riders soon, as he is helping producing those as well with rgdgaming.


You are correct. WA is assisting with the fauns project.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/05 04:08:18


Post by: Elbows


If properly modeled I admit...I would not be opposed to Centaur "Abhuman" Rough Riders. It'd be a bit old school, a bit rock-n-roll.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/05 05:25:23


Post by: rgdgaming


 lord marcus wrote:
rgdgaming wrote:
His cavalry set would be a good place for rough riders. Also quite possible to get beast themed rough riders soon, as he is helping producing those as well with rgdgaming.


You are correct. WA is assisting with the fauns project.


I would hope so, otherwise the project is in a funny pickle


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/05 15:10:27


Post by: lord marcus


Hey y'all.

Wargames Atlantic is requesting suggestions for what the community would like to see if they expand on the French infantry (if they sell well) on thier Facebook group, Wargames Atlantic legion.

A large proportion of commenters are suggesting different head variants.

What would you like to see?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/05 15:17:14


Post by: alphaecho


 lord marcus wrote:
Hey y'all.

Wargames Atlantic is requesting suggestions for what the community would like to see if they expand on the French infantry (if they sell well) on thier Facebook group, Wargames Atlantic legion.

A large proportion of commenters are suggesting different head variants.

What would you like to see?



Sci Fi Agincourt Bowmen?

No idea how to achieve it but if the aliens behind Death Fields have been taking warriors for thousands of years, why not?



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/05 15:17:15


Post by: infinite_array


 lord marcus wrote:
Hey y'all.

Wargames Atlantic is requesting suggestions for what the community would like to see if they expand on the French infantry (if they sell well) on thier Facebook group, Wargames Atlantic legion.

A large proportion of commenters are suggesting different head variants.

What would you like to see?


Heavy weapons!

Laser cannon, autocannon, heavy machine gun and mortars.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/05 15:29:06


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Dogs in gas masks.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/05 16:23:31


Post by: Barzam


Sci-fi Roman Legionaries.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/05 17:29:58


Post by: Elbows


I think the obvious answer is that they'll do best if they keep proxying Imperial Guard unit options. Cavalry would be superb, "light field artillery" would be successful. A command box, etc. If the command box just included a ton of options (arms, heads, accoutrement, etc.) it could be a great add-on box to customize all the other boxes, etc.

A couple of banners, a couple of medics, etc.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/09 04:06:12


Post by: lord marcus


So, as an example of the raumjager with a head swap.



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/09 04:49:59


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


Interesting. Are the pickelhaubes from the Warlord Zulu war British Infantry set?

As for what expansions I'd like to see ... Special & Heavy Weapons, Command head options (NCO & Officers' kepis have braid and an embroidered design on the top of the hat), Carabiniers-à-Cheval and Dragoon helmets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepi#/media/File:Kepi_mg_3387.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carabiniers-%C3%A0-Cheval#/media/File:Napoleon_Carabiner_of_1812_by_Bellange.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragoon#/media/File:Battle_of_Jena.jpg
 lord marcus wrote:
So, as an example of the raumjager with a head swap.



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/09 06:24:27


Post by: lord marcus


 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
Interesting. Are the pickelhaubes from the Warlord Zulu war British Infantry set?

As for what expansions I'd like to see ... Special & Heavy Weapons, Command head options (NCO & Officers' kepis have braid and an embroidered design on the top of the hat), Carabiniers-à-Cheval and Dragoon helmets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepi#/media/File:Kepi_mg_3387.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carabiniers-%C3%A0-Cheval#/media/File:Napoleon_Carabiner_of_1812_by_Bellange.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragoon#/media/File:Battle_of_Jena.jpg
 lord marcus wrote:
So, as an example of the raumjager with a head swap.



No, but close. Warlord Crimean Russian infantry


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/15 17:34:41


Post by: Dr Mathias


Here's a scale shot with some of the greatcoats.



Wargames Atlantic Raumjager, Dreamforge Eisenkern (body), GW Blackstone Traitor Guard, Wargames Atlantic Greatcoat, GW Chaos Marine, Hydra Miniatures, Wargames Atlantic Greatcoat, GW Necromunda Goliath, Raging Heroes.

I really need to get a couple normal Cadians for these types of comparison shots... I have an oddball miniatures collection.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/15 17:51:41


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Would a Raumjager torso fit on the Greatcoat legs?

How about a third party Commissar torso? (And who makes the best "heroic scale" version of those? Anvil Industry?)


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/15 18:09:48


Post by: Elbows


I'm curious if they're the same sculptor. The Raumjagers look really poor to me, where the greatcoat fellas look a good bit better.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/15 18:14:27


Post by: Dr Mathias


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Would a Raumjager torso fit on the Greatcoat legs?

How about a third party Commissar torso? (And who makes the best "heroic scale" version of those? Anvil Industry?)


The greatcoats I received were 3D printed prototypes; my guess is that the torso will not be a separate piece when injection molded. I don't know for sure though.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/15 18:22:14


Post by: Mezmaron


The skeletons look nice, but a little squat in the legs. They will likely be more stable and less fragile than the old Wargames Factory ones.

I think those were the best skeletons ever released, in that I think they matched the style of the Ray Harryhausen stop-motion skeletons the best.

Mez





http://mezmaronslair.blogspot.com/2016/04/children-of-hydras-teeth.html


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/16 02:15:51


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


Not having purchased from Anvil, I don't know how they scale. You may already know about Victoria Miniatures and her bits.

There's Wargame Exclusive which seems on the tall side, and they do not have torsos, just full figures.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Would a Raumjager torso fit on the Greatcoat legs?

How about a third party Commissar torso? (And who makes the best "heroic scale" version of those? Anvil Industry?)


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/18 20:46:44


Post by: lord marcus


It has been announced there is a 4th head variants
Per set sporting a napoleonic style Shako. This brings the total number of head options per kit to an announced 192 per box)


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/19 21:21:06


Post by: howie


 Mezmaron wrote:
The skeletons look nice, but a little squat in the legs. They will likely be more stable and less fragile than the old Wargames Factory ones.

I think those were the best skeletons ever released, in that I think they matched the style of the Ray Harryhausen stop-motion skeletons the best.

Mez





http://mezmaronslair.blogspot.com/2016/04/children-of-hydras-teeth.html


Warlord games now produce these skeletons. I believe them to be a similar price if you buy the battalion box. The wargames ones have less parts and would probably be more ideally suited to someone who wanted a quick skeleton horde.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/20 00:48:53


Post by: rgdgaming


 howie wrote:
 Mezmaron wrote:
The skeletons look nice, but a little squat in the legs. They will likely be more stable and less fragile than the old Wargames Factory ones.

I think those were the best skeletons ever released, in that I think they matched the style of the Ray Harryhausen stop-motion skeletons the best.

Mez





http://mezmaronslair.blogspot.com/2016/04/children-of-hydras-teeth.html


Warlord games now produce these skeletons. I believe them to be a similar price if you buy the battalion box. The wargames ones have less parts and would probably be more ideally suited to someone who wanted a quick skeleton horde.


You can imagine them as Tim Barry 2.0 skeletons. Same sculptor. Tim loves that stuff.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/20 16:15:57


Post by: lord marcus


Halfling box Is confirmed at 40 models for $35


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/22 00:49:24


Post by: JoV


Looking forward to those Halflings. Will hopefully go well alongside the TTCombat ones.

They also have a distribution deal out here in Oz now, so no paying massive shipping for me


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/22 02:36:39


Post by: ingtaer


JoV wrote:
Looking forward to those Halflings. Will hopefully go well alongside the TTCombat ones.

They also have a distribution deal out here in Oz now, so no paying massive shipping for me


Any idea of through whom? I might have to hit them up to see if we can get them shipped over here.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/22 09:55:58


Post by: JoV


Warandpeace games and Aetherworks I believe.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/22 11:18:38


Post by: ingtaer


Ah thanks, they are being advertised under the header of War and Peace Games.

Edit - For any kiwis interested the Skeletons and Raumjager are both available on Mighty Ape at $57 for a box.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/27 00:54:36


Post by: lord marcus


Just an FYI guys:

We're games Atlantic has shipping facilities in Europe, the US and Australia.

That means if you buy anything from their web store it will get shipped from your part of the world to you.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/27 06:34:16


Post by: Elbows


Wait, but...how can we make fun of Australians if they're not paying double what we pay? Who thought this thing through!?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/27 10:57:06


Post by: Fenriswulf


Well if that's the case, I'll definitely have to give the Halflings and Persians a look


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/27 11:46:40


Post by: Theophony


 Elbows wrote:
Wait, but...how can we make fun of Australians if they're not paying double what we pay? Who thought this thing through!?


We still have the fact hat they are upside down, drop bears and everything there is trying to kill them. As long as there’s no skewed currency exchange rate it does sound good


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/27 18:04:10


Post by: Albino Squirrel


We can still make fun of dingoes eating their babies, right?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/27 21:11:14


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
We can still make fun of dingoes eating their babies, right?


Turns out new evidence vindicated that woman, so no, not any more.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/27 23:33:01


Post by: Elbows


Give it another five or six years and we'll be back to blaming here. It's gone on/off for like...20 years now hasn't it?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/28 14:27:27


Post by: Psychopomp


Do we have any idea on when the halflings will be released?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/09/28 17:14:41


Post by: Dr Mathias


 Psychopomp wrote:
Do we have any idea on when the halflings will be released?


I believe I read on FB that the plastic should be done in roughly a month. Not sure when the actual release date might be.



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/11/02 20:21:30


Post by: lord marcus


 Dr Mathias wrote:
 Psychopomp wrote:
Do we have any idea on when the halflings will be released?


I believe I read on FB that the plastic should be done in roughly a month. Not sure when the actual release date might be.



Box art is up on facebook. confirmed at $35 for 40 halflings, with multi box deals available.

Grognard sci-fi infantry is also close.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/11/09 18:25:10


Post by: Bschwi1


I ordered a set of skeletons today, really excited for them! I'll probably get a box of Raumjager sooner or later too.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/11/11 18:31:20


Post by: Maniac_nmt


 lord marcus wrote:
 Dr Mathias wrote:
 Psychopomp wrote:
Do we have any idea on when the halflings will be released?


I believe I read on FB that the plastic should be done in roughly a month. Not sure when the actual release date might be.



Box art is up on facebook. confirmed at $35 for 40 halflings, with multi box deals available.

Grognard sci-fi infantry is also close.


Physically they look more similar to Westfalia's outstanding Half-men/Halflings then the typical butterball style. Slightly earlier in equipment/style, but closer dimensional scale. I'll look forward to my sprue from the WGSS poll freebie.

So, worth looking at Westfalia's stuff for knights, arquebusiers , wizards, cannon, etc.
https://www.westfaliaminiatures.com/halflings


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/11/11 21:55:43


Post by: Taarnak


I'm surprised these haven't been posted here yet:





These look pretty good in my opinion.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/11/12 10:17:31


Post by: Fenriswulf


Yep, I do like this style a lot more than most of GW's take on Halflings and Ratlings. If I make a Stirland based army using Perry Miniatures, I will definitely consider these as a purchase so I can make a Rhordia force for Kings of War.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/11/12 16:08:35


Post by: BrookM


For the folks waiting on their free Halfling / Grognard sprue from the Great Wargaming Survey:

Hi!
A few weeks ago we emailed you about the Great Wargaming Survey 2019 rewards. Unfortunately, we had been too optimistic about delivery of all the (brand new!) sets from our sponsors. Fortunately we can now report that the Rubicon Tank Commanders sprue has been delivered to our fulfilment center and they will ship this week.

Sarissa Precision (Shed and motorcycle kit) and Wargames Atlantic (Halflings and Space Grognards Sprues) have assured us they will deliver as soon as possible. We'll update you as soon as there is more news.

Again, apologies for the delay and thank you for your patience,

On behalf of WSS

Guy Bowers and Jasper Oorthuys


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/11/13 14:03:24


Post by: Psychopomp


My Great Wargaming Survey halfling sprue is going to be the sample that determines my level of buy-in at retail.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/11/19 09:08:28


Post by: stonehorse


Those Halflings are very nice and also very tempting. Their next project seems to be Elves.

https://www.beastsofwar.com/fantasy-wargaming/wargames-atlantic-scout-out-some-elves/

We are living in a great time for fantasy kits. What is odd is how Mantic can and do make great rules, yet churn out miniatures that are 70% awful. Would be great if Northstar, Wargames Atlantic, Perry Miniatures, and Mantic could join forces. Kings of War rule set with nice affordable miniatures...


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/11/19 12:08:42


Post by: Prestor Jon


 stonehorse wrote:
Those Halflings are very nice and also very tempting. Their next project seems to be Elves.

https://www.beastsofwar.com/fantasy-wargaming/wargames-atlantic-scout-out-some-elves/

We are living in a great time for fantasy kits. What is odd is how Mantic can and do make great rules, yet churn out miniatures that are 70% awful. Would be great if Northstar, Wargames Atlantic, Perry Miniatures, and Mantic could join forces. Kings of War rule set with nice affordable miniatures...


They basically already have joined forces. KoW can be played with any miniatures. None of my KoW armies are made by Manticores they’re all GW (WHFB and LotR), Red Box Games, Reaper, historicals and some CMoN board game minis mixed in too.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/11/19 19:14:55


Post by: stonehorse


Prestor Jon wrote:
 stonehorse wrote:
Those Halflings are very nice and also very tempting. Their next project seems to be Elves.

https://www.beastsofwar.com/fantasy-wargaming/wargames-atlantic-scout-out-some-elves/

We are living in a great time for fantasy kits. What is odd is how Mantic can and do make great rules, yet churn out miniatures that are 70% awful. Would be great if Northstar, Wargames Atlantic, Perry Miniatures, and Mantic could join forces. Kings of War rule set with nice affordable miniatures...


They basically already have joined forces. KoW can be played with any miniatures. None of my KoW armies are made by Manticores they’re all GW (WHFB and LotR), Red Box Games, Reaper, historicals and some CMoN board game minis mixed in too.


That isn't the same as joining forces, my mantic armies are from Fireforge, Northstar, and a few GW here and there. That doesn't mean that the companies have joined forces, it is due to Mantic doing the sensible thing and not limiting their flag ship game to just their (awful) miniatures. Joining forces would entail the companies becoming one. As KoW is both a Historical and a Fantasy rule set, it could allow a lot of the companies to become a big player, as opposed to a gathering of small companies.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/11/19 23:18:36


Post by: Elbows


It's a damn good time in general to be into Fantasy army games - at least from the modeling side. Wargames Atlantic, Oathmark, Frostgrave, etc...a load of plastic kits for reasonable prices - nice and modular.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/11/20 03:25:38


Post by: ingtaer


That's a fun looking kit, wish there were more bows included but using halflings mixed in with my pikemen in a DoW army will be entertaining.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/04 17:24:57


Post by: lord marcus


Persian sprue and ww1 Germans teased







Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/04 18:35:40


Post by: Elbows


Now that is interesting and brave...definitely a shortage of 28mm plastic WW1 kits.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/05 05:36:54


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


From Facebook

The first set for our FIRST EMPIRES ancients range is PERSIANS. The plastic is finished and we are working on the boxes. Stay tuned for the release date (not too far off) and more information on this set in the coming days.
Les Grognards will be going on pre-order very soon and there will be more to show on them tomorrow. Dark Age Irish are in tooling and we expect to show plastic later this monrth. WW1 Germans are wrapping up the design phase. And our "mystery" historical set is done tooling and we are just waiting to show off the first frames.


https://www.facebook.com/wargamesatlantic/


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/05 06:50:28


Post by: Gallahad


Ooh, a mystery historical set! Can't wait to see what it is. I would have ordered the Persians already, but I can't be bothered to cut the tabs off the feet of historical minis any more. It is a massive pain.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/05 16:12:39


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I would love to see the Persians next to some Frostgrave, Shieldwolf, or Mantic fantasy plastics. I already have plastic Persians in “historical” scale, but I might be interested if these guys were a bit more chonky.

Hope the mysterious historical kit isn’t something already well covered, like Greeks, Romans, Vikings, Knights, Medieval dudes, Agincourt dudes, Napoleonic dudes, WW2 dudes, etc.


PS: Sci fi grognard troops when?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/05 17:41:28


Post by: Gallahad


I wish somebody would make historical stuff in fantasy scale. As things stand now, you can't really have your Victrix Vikings fighting your beastmen or whatever, because they are just clearly in a radically different scale.

If Wargames Atlantic historicals are fantasy scale, I would welcome any of the kits Bob mentioned. I might even be willing to pay the time tax and cut tabs off their feet...

It continues to amaze me that there are no good human armored infantry kits (foot knights, retainers, city guards, etc.) available that scale well for fantasy. Thankfully CMON's ASOIAF miniatures ( while not HIPS plastic and with limited conversion potential) at least scale well and are wonderful sculpts.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/05 18:05:03


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Reaper Bones has the Crusaders and some new knights that scale very well for fantasy. Their chunky armor works well within Bones’ limitations, although their swords and spears will either need boiling treatments or replacement.

But yeah, those CMON minis are pretty awesome.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/05 19:01:16


Post by: Wasteland


I don't really get putting the figures on integral oval bases (unless they absolutely would not cast properly without them?). Whatever variety of bases you could want are cheap and widely available. I prefer the way they did the Raumjager and left it up to you to base them however you see fit.

Speaking of the Raumjager, I've been building a few of them recently and, while it's a bit of a detour from these shiny new releases, I had some thoughts in review:

Overall, this is a really nice kit. The style, size and weapons obviously have 40k in mind, but are flexible enough that you could use them for other systems too. The plastic holds detail nicely and isn't too hard to clean up. The one running-legs pose is a little wonky (BIG STEP!) but they're all quite serviceable - I like the inclusion of two different kneeling-leg parts so the figure can be either flat-footed or squatting down on his heel. Having each model's pouches and stowage molded to the legs has them all looking a bit uniform for my taste (I think I would prefer if the kit on the figure's back was separate so you could mix up the placement or swap in parts from other kits) but it does mean that each model goes together quite quickly with just 5 parts. One thing to watch for during assembly is that the torso isn't as broad as the waist, so if you set it too far forward they'll have a strange sort of shelf thing along the back. Careful placement will avoid this - I was going to call this a flaw, but it might be necessary in order for the torso to be positioned to one side.

The most obvious complaint I have is that the various sets of arms aren't labelled on the sprue. While it's only a bit of trial and error to figure out which ones go with which, it would have been very easy to fix this issue and avoid any potential assembly errors here. The arm sets themselves are well-designed and are precisely contoured to fit the torso in exactly the right way. This makes it very simple to line things up properly, although it does limit the poses a bit (TBH, while the contouring on the arms can be trimmed away, you can't move the arms too far out of their expected position without starting to run into the pouches along the waist anyway). One other nitpick here is that the torsos have this large cylindrical peg to connect to the arms, but most of the arm sets don't actually contact the whole thing and it leaves a bit of a ridge in an area that looks to be part of the coat and that should therefore appear smooth. I found it easy to shave away the offending plastic with a knife, but it still strikes me as a bit of an odd design element.

The weapons all look quite good and strike a nice balance between historical and sci-fi. A grenade launcher is about the only obvious exclusion here, but the variety is still quite useful. The basic rifle looks really cool, although the muzzle has this strange duckbill shape to it that I don't really like. I decided to trim it off and replace it with spare lasgun barrels, but if I was doing up more than a single squad I don't think it's a big enough issue to bother. However, my biggest wish for this kit would be a few more arms not just holding a weapon with both hands - there are a few different rights (pointy finger, throwing grenade, etc) but the only left hand is holding a pistol in a pose that's decent but a little stiff. A couple more options like perhaps binoculars or cradling a rifle in one arm would be a great addition and make conversions quite a bit easier. Hopefully Wargames Atlantic will expand on this range in the near future - some heavy weapons and arm options and you'd have pretty much all you could need.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/05 20:30:06


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


 Wasteland wrote:
Hopefully Wargames Atlantic will expand on this range in the near future - some heavy weapons and arm options and you'd have pretty much all you could need.

Haven't particularly followed Wargames Atlantic, but is there any word on this? The releases I can see in various stages of production are simply all over the place, with fantasy, sci-fi and historical figures, the latter all from different periods. Both from a kitbashing perspective and of course with scale differences to other (metal) ranges, it would be nice to have, well, more than 1 kit for any range really.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/06 00:33:59


Post by: lord marcus


Gallahad wrote:Ooh, a mystery historical set! Can't wait to see what it is. I would have ordered the Persians already, but I can't be bothered to cut the tabs off the feet of historical minis any more. It is a massive pain.


You can cover tab/puddle bases well enough with texture material like vallejo's dark earth texture. I have examples in my blogs.

BobtheInquisitor wrote:I would love to see the Persians next to some Frostgrave, Shieldwolf, or Mantic fantasy plastics. I already have plastic Persians in “historical” scale, but I might be interested if these guys were a bit more chonky.

Hope the mysterious historical kit isn’t something already well covered, like Greeks, Romans, Vikings, Knights, Medieval dudes, Agincourt dudes, Napoleonic dudes, WW2 dudes, etc.


PS: Sci fi grognard troops when?


Grognards are close to preorder, apparently more news on the new week. The mystery historical kit is most likely nothing well covered already.

Gallahad wrote:I wish somebody would make historical stuff in fantasy scale. As things stand now, you can't really have your Victrix Vikings fighting your beastmen or whatever, because they are just clearly in a radically different scale.

If Wargames Atlantic historicals are fantasy scale, I would welcome any of the kits Bob mentioned. I might even be willing to pay the time tax and cut tabs off their feet...

It continues to amaze me that there are no good human armored infantry kits (foot knights, retainers, city guards, etc.) available that scale well for fantasy. Thankfully CMON's ASOIAF miniatures ( while not HIPS plastic and with limited conversion potential) at least scale well and are wonderful sculpts.


I use warlord games historicals as Freeguild and no one locally hates the scale difference. A couple actually think it shows how badass humanity is vs the craziness of the universe.

Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
 Wasteland wrote:
Hopefully Wargames Atlantic will expand on this range in the near future - some heavy weapons and arm options and you'd have pretty much all you could need.

Haven't particularly followed Wargames Atlantic, but is there any word on this? The releases I can see in various stages of production are simply all over the place, with fantasy, sci-fi and historical figures, the latter all from different periods. Both from a kitbashing perspective and of course with scale differences to other (metal) ranges, it would be nice to have, well, more than 1 kit for any range really.


The working wisdom as laid down by Wargames Atlantic on Facebook has been that only if the first kit sells well, follow ups are likely.

Also, news:

https://www.facebook.com/100006928637906/posts/2442550575985873/?sfnsn=mo




Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/07 16:19:08


Post by: lord marcus


The second of the sprues for the grognard kit have been revealed on Facebook.



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/07 16:33:00


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


What are the bits that look like space marine tabards?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/07 16:43:03


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


So that's wow:

Pot helmets
Tall hats with feathers, with and without gas masks
Tall fur hats, with and without gas masks (yeah they have a technical name, I don't remember it off the top of my head)
And caps

Some amazing options here, even if you don't use the bodies.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/07 17:27:05


Post by: Arklite


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
What are the bits that look like space marine tabards?


They look like they might be neck-flaps for the Kepi heads.


FFL in Spaaaace, if you will.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/07 17:52:41


Post by: lord marcus


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
What are the bits that look like space marine tabards?


Weather coverings/flaps for the khepis


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/07 18:07:31


Post by: Esmer


That's a really amazing variety. You can grab a bunch of infantry boxes and turn them into several French-Themed Astra Militarum regiments. I'm thinking:

WW1 infantry with Adrian Helmets, count as Cadian (static trench warfare) or Valhallan (costly mass charges) doctrines. Alternatively, give them all gas masks and play them as DKOK

Napoleonic line infantry with Shakos, count as Mordian doctrine

Napoleonic Imperial Guard with Bearskins, count as Mordian or Vostroyan doctrines

French Foreign Legion with Kepis, count as Tallarn (desert warfare) or Catachan (they're tough guys and all) doctrines


So almost the entire Codex factions represented by one set.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/07 19:30:32


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


From Facebook:

Also if you're wondering the oddly shaped bits at the very top and bottom right are the sun shield flaps for the back of the kepi if you want to add them.


So tip of the hat to Lord Marcus


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/09 18:47:57


Post by: BrookM


Grognards are up for preorder now: https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/les-grognards?variant=31187238944866

Release date is around January.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/09 23:22:09


Post by: lord marcus


 BrookM wrote:
Grognards are up for preorder now: https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/les-grognards?variant=31187238944866

Release date is around January.


Oh and there's multibox deal offers


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/10 07:20:50


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


US$35 for 24 figures with over 100 head options. Discounts for 2 or 3 boxes at a time.


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That's a really amazing variety. You can grab a bunch of infantry boxes and turn them into several French-Themed Astra Militarum regiments. I'm thinking:

WW1 infantry with Adrian Helmets, count as Cadian (static trench warfare) or Valhallan (costly mass charges) doctrines. Alternatively, give them all gas masks and play them as DKOK

Napoleonic line infantry with Shakos, count as Mordian doctrine

Napoleonic Imperial Guard with Bearskins, count as Mordian or Vostroyan doctrines

French Foreign Legion with Kepis, count as Tallarn (desert warfare) or Catachan (they're tough guys and all) doctrines


So almost the entire Codex factions represented by one set.


Can't believe you missed out the Elysians Esmer, especially because they were inspired by the Foreign Legion (and of course dedicated para units).
And well steel legion is just mechanised guys with helmets and gas masks
Correct me if I'm wrong but that does round off the codex!
Really nice figures, tons of choice for customization which is nice. Not to mention an interesting and diverse range Gotta say liking the falschimijager


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/10 12:54:06


Post by: Esmer


I didn't, but these minis don't look like Elysians at all.


Spoiler:


If I were to to play a pure-French Imperial Guard, I would probably play the Grognards as standard guardsmen and field them together with Elysians from other ranges (there are several alternatives, you could probably even use WA's Raumjaeger painted in the appropriate colors), playing the latter as Tempestus Scions.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/11 08:55:01


Post by: OldMate


I didn't say they looked like Elysians, I was more so drawing on the that French defeat at Bien Dien Phu was inspiration for half of the Elysian mess ups
Spoiler:
god knows why you'd base half the lore of the most famous Imperial Guard drop unit on one disaster borne of firstly, of all things inexperience(I mean it's their specialty you'd think they'd know how to do it), arrogance and basically poor planning and unsound strategy
, and well it was the foreign legion that was there and fought so tenaciously down to the last bullet, so it'd fit real nice with the Elysian doctrine and army feel.

I'm thinking a more winter campaign Napoleonic-WW2 drop troops from a French themed world, no reason not to wear a greatcoat with your grav-chute(not like it's going to be tangled in anything the way a conventional chute might),

I'd agree if you were to make a drop army or steel legion from atlantic miniatures Raunmjager would be my first choice for awesome alternatives. Especially in flecktarn/splinter smocks.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/11 16:49:35


Post by: lord marcus


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
US$35 for 24 figures with over 100 head options. Discounts for 2 or 3 boxes at a time.


There are 5 and 10 box deals too


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/18 02:18:04


Post by: lord marcus


If anyone wanted to see the skeletons painted (basing obviously WIP, as are shields.)

Spoiler:


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/18 10:15:03


Post by: RobertsMinis


Got my Halfling box yesterday, and they are lovely looking. The arrows look very delicate though. Care with snipping will be required.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/19 00:50:58


Post by: rgdgaming


 RobertsMinis wrote:
Got my Halfling box yesterday, and they are lovely looking. The arrows look very delicate though. Care with snipping will be required.



Looking forward to getting sets here in the shop (hopefully one can fall off the truck) <cough>


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/20 00:22:55


Post by: lord marcus


rgdgaming wrote:
 RobertsMinis wrote:
Got my Halfling box yesterday, and they are lovely looking. The arrows look very delicate though. Care with snipping will be required.



Looking forward to getting sets here in the shop (hopefully one can fall off the truck) <cough>


Supposedly it's a pretty damn good kit. There's been a couple people on the war games Atlantic legion Facebook page that have posted about building stuff. Granted that might just be the painter for war games Atlantic but I'm not sure


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/20 02:16:44


Post by: Dr Mathias


 lord marcus wrote:

Supposedly it's a pretty damn good kit. There's been a couple people on the war games Atlantic legion Facebook page that have posted about building stuff. Granted that might just be the painter for war games Atlantic but I'm not sure


That wasn't me- I painted the models that Wargames Atlantic uses for web promotion and on the boxes (at least for Raumjager, Skeletons, Grognards, and Halflings). Someone else may be on tap for the upcoming sets. I haven't received the plastic halflings yet- the ones I painted were 3D prototypes.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/20 19:08:57


Post by: lord marcus


Dark Age Irish posted on Facebook



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/20 19:24:12


Post by: Gallahad


Why the foot surf boards! Whyyyyyy!
In other reactions: they do look good otherwise.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/20 19:46:16


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


historical gamers are a thrifty bunch, they don't like having to buy bases (or use 1p or 2p pieces instead) I suspect


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/20 20:05:06


Post by: Elbows


Not to insult you Gallahad, but you're also the first person I've encountered in 25 years of this hobby who has puddle-bases as a make or break item. It's never phased anyone else I've ever met or even seen online. If this really bugs you, maybe steer clear of the thread because it isn't going to change most likely.

Also, if the boxes don't ship with a sprue or two of bases (even though the manufacturers know damn well the miniatures will end up on a variety of bases for wargaming) it saves them costs. Particularly on historical or fantasy miniatures - where the various games use different basing standards. Sure you can ship a box with 20mm squares...or 25mm circles, etc....but that's wasted time/effort if the bases are discarded by the end user.

However, if they don't put bases in the box....and then don't add puddle bases they're now selling a bizarre, incomplete miniatures which is unable to stand.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/20 20:17:16


Post by: bubber


i just use clippers & a file.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/20 20:30:53


Post by: lord marcus


 Elbows wrote:
Not to insult you Gallahad, but you're also the first person I've encountered in 25 years of this hobby who has puddle-bases as a make or break item. It's never phased anyone else I've ever met or even seen online. If this really bugs you, maybe steer clear of the thread because it isn't going to change most likely.

Also, if the boxes don't ship with a sprue or two of bases (even though the manufacturers know damn well the miniatures will end up on a variety of bases for wargaming) it saves them costs. Particularly on historical or fantasy miniatures - where the various games use different basing standards. Sure you can ship a box with 20mm squares...or 25mm circles, etc....but that's wasted time/effort if the bases are discarded by the end user.

However, if they don't put bases in the box....and then don't add puddle bases they're now selling a bizarre, incomplete miniatures which is unable to stand.


Exalted for truth. It also helps people who sell bases like me


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/20 20:38:57


Post by: rgdgaming


 Elbows wrote:
Not to insult you Gallahad, but you're also the first person I've encountered in 25 years of this hobby who has puddle-bases as a make or break item. It's never phased anyone else I've ever met or even seen online. If this really bugs you, maybe steer clear of the thread because it isn't going to change most likely.

Also, if the boxes don't ship with a sprue or two of bases (even though the manufacturers know damn well the miniatures will end up on a variety of bases for wargaming) it saves them costs. Particularly on historical or fantasy miniatures - where the various games use different basing standards. Sure you can ship a box with 20mm squares...or 25mm circles, etc....but that's wasted time/effort if the bases are discarded by the end user.

However, if they don't put bases in the box....and then don't add puddle bases they're now selling a bizarre, incomplete miniatures which is unable to stand.



Im not much a fan of those bases myself. Hobby saw time just puts more time on my turnaround of a project. If at all possible, would love non circled bases. Not the end of the world though.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/20 21:13:38


Post by: lord_blackfang


It's easier to glue bases on than to cut them off, that's enough reason to mold them without.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/20 21:49:08


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


The dogs look cool. Does anyone know if this kit is in historical scale or fantasy scale?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/20 22:11:23


Post by: lord marcus


rgdgaming wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
Not to insult you Gallahad, but you're also the first person I've encountered in 25 years of this hobby who has puddle-bases as a make or break item. It's never phased anyone else I've ever met or even seen online. If this really bugs you, maybe steer clear of the thread because it isn't going to change most likely.

Also, if the boxes don't ship with a sprue or two of bases (even though the manufacturers know damn well the miniatures will end up on a variety of bases for wargaming) it saves them costs. Particularly on historical or fantasy miniatures - where the various games use different basing standards. Sure you can ship a box with 20mm squares...or 25mm circles, etc....but that's wasted time/effort if the bases are discarded by the end user.

However, if they don't put bases in the box....and then don't add puddle bases they're now selling a bizarre, incomplete miniatures which is unable to stand.



Im not much a fan of those bases myself. Hobby saw time just puts more time on my turnaround of a project. If at all possible, would love non circled bases. Not the end of the world though.


Why not just put basing material over the puddle base? My skeletons as pictured on the last page have puddle bases and the basing material covers it fine.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/21 03:05:10


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


Historical gamers expect them. Besides, unless they do skirmish level, they will multi-base and hide them with the flock etc.

 Gallahad wrote:
Why the foot surf boards! Whyyyyyy!
In other reactions: they do look good otherwise.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/21 04:56:54


Post by: rgdgaming


 lord marcus wrote:
rgdgaming wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
Not to insult you Gallahad, but you're also the first person I've encountered in 25 years of this hobby who has puddle-bases as a make or break item. It's never phased anyone else I've ever met or even seen online. If this really bugs you, maybe steer clear of the thread because it isn't going to change most likely.

Also, if the boxes don't ship with a sprue or two of bases (even though the manufacturers know damn well the miniatures will end up on a variety of bases for wargaming) it saves them costs. Particularly on historical or fantasy miniatures - where the various games use different basing standards. Sure you can ship a box with 20mm squares...or 25mm circles, etc....but that's wasted time/effort if the bases are discarded by the end user.

However, if they don't put bases in the box....and then don't add puddle bases they're now selling a bizarre, incomplete miniatures which is unable to stand.



Im not much a fan of those bases myself. Hobby saw time just puts more time on my turnaround of a project. If at all possible, would love non circled bases. Not the end of the world though.


Why not just put basing material over the puddle base? My skeletons as pictured on the last page have puddle bases and the basing material covers it fine.



For example, in a recent project I needed mantic orcs on wooden chariots to use as battlewagons. The square bases or circles hinder me from putting a few within the confines of the carriage. Otherwise, not too big of a deal to flock them up a tad. I just don't want to have to do a hobby step if I can help it. Not the end of the world.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/21 05:22:56


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


Of course people still put them on bases (individually or multibased), but they're a heck of a lot more secure with a little platform attached. Sure, a miniature with both feet solidly on the ground will be good with some glue anyway, but that dog would require pinning. I'd rather spend a few seconds adding a layer of glue or milliput around the platforms and know they'll be good forever, than pin every few models and/or glue back figures that broke off.

The main thing is not that they have platforms, but that those platforms appear to be very low. Basing material straight over them will look alright, and they won't all end up on a little hill.

Sprue looks pretty good, enough parts to equip everyone with melee weapons or javelins, and large shields or small shields. Can't quite make out what the difference between the two sets of small shields is though. Would have been nice to have more than just the one sling, and I hope the figures match existing Dark Age ranges for headswaps, as non-uniform figures may otherwise end up looking a bit samey anyway.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/21 11:32:09


Post by: Zywus


The perfect compromise for the customers concerning integral bases would IMO be to have the discs be separate, with two or more holes in them. Then have pegs under the minis feet corresponding to the holes on the discs.

Those who want to use the discs can easily clip the legs into the holes and glue it, those who don't want the disc can easily cut of the pegs (for a fraction of the work it takes removing a integral disc).

Only downside is that this would have the discs take up more sprue space, but it could be mitigated by casting the discs separately on their own sprue.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/21 12:11:19


Post by: lord_blackfang


 Zywus wrote:
The perfect compromise for the customers concerning integral bases would IMO be to have the discs be separate, with two or more holes in them. Then have pegs under the minis feet corresponding to the holes on the discs.

Those who want to use the discs can easily clip the legs into the holes and glue it, those who don't want the disc can easily cut of the pegs (for a fraction of the work it takes removing a integral disc).

Only downside is that this would have the discs take up more sprue space, but it could be mitigated by casting the discs separately on their own sprue.


I really like this


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/21 17:53:57


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Zywus wrote:
The perfect compromise for the customers concerning integral bases would IMO be to have the discs be separate, with two or more holes in them. Then have pegs under the minis feet corresponding to the holes on the discs.

Those who want to use the discs can easily clip the legs into the holes and glue it, those who don't want the disc can easily cut of the pegs (for a fraction of the work it takes removing a integral disc).

Only downside is that this would have the discs take up more sprue space, but it could be mitigated by casting the discs separately on their own sprue.


Yeah pegs are much more useful than feet, slots or integral bases, I'd love them to be the standard.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Zywus wrote:
The perfect compromise for the customers concerning integral bases would IMO be to have the discs be separate, with two or more holes in them. Then have pegs under the minis feet corresponding to the holes on the discs.

Those who want to use the discs can easily clip the legs into the holes and glue it, those who don't want the disc can easily cut of the pegs (for a fraction of the work it takes removing a integral disc).

Only downside is that this would have the discs take up more sprue space, but it could be mitigated by casting the discs separately on their own sprue.


Yeah pegs are much more useful than feet, slots or integral bases, I'd love them to be the standard.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/21 18:57:20


Post by: Albino Squirrel


 Zywus wrote:
The perfect compromise for the customers concerning integral bases would IMO be to have the discs be separate, with two or more holes in them. Then have pegs under the minis feet corresponding to the holes on the discs.

Those who want to use the discs can easily clip the legs into the holes and glue it, those who don't want the disc can easily cut of the pegs (for a fraction of the work it takes removing a integral disc).

Only downside is that this would have the discs take up more sprue space, but it could be mitigated by casting the discs separately on their own sprue.


That would be ideal.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/21 22:44:11


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


With a peg system you wouldn't even need the discs. Just have the pegs slot directly into the bases like most push fit GW kits.

Don't want them on those bases? Clip it off and be done with it, and glue them wherever you please then!


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/22 16:01:22


Post by: lord marcus


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
With a peg system you wouldn't even need the discs. Just have the pegs slot directly into the bases like most push fit GW kits.

Don't want them on those bases? Clip it off and be done with it, and glue them wherever you please then!

But they don't add bases into the kits as that would mean an increased price.

Honestly puddle bases are fine. Throw em on an MDF base and use vallejo acrylic basing mix or the equivalent texture paint from GW.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/22 16:14:09


Post by: bubber


with pegged feet, you would either have every model with the same spacing between their feet or model-specific bases.
I still can't see the amazing hassle of clipping off 'puddle' bases is.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/22 17:09:25


Post by: lord_blackfang


 bubber wrote:
with pegged feet, you would either have every model with the same spacing between their feet or model-specific bases.
I still can't see the amazing hassle of clipping off 'puddle' bases is.


Well, I can't see the amazing hassle of having to glue miniatures to whatever base you want instead of one group shoving their preference down everyone's throats


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/22 17:59:59


Post by: Zywus


 bubber wrote:
with pegged feet, you would either have every model with the same spacing between their feet or model-specific bases.

Not if you add more than two holes to the discs, and/or have models with unusual spaces between their feet just come with one peg on one of their feet.

 bubber wrote:
I still can't see the amazing hassle of clipping off 'puddle' bases is.

How many models have you personally removed from integral bases?

I'd reckon it takes roughly 20 times as much time to safely remove an integral base than it takes to glue a pegged-feet-mini to a base with holes. And you're liable to damage the models feet getting it off the base.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/22 20:39:53


Post by: Dr Mathias


I went through a phase in which I was basing all my miniatures on super thin plastic disks, which required sawing, grinding, or filing off the integral metal bases on about 100-150 figures.
Removing an integral plastic base is complete cake compared to that, and probably not too much effort if it bothers someone enough to even consider it.

Nowadays I have a different perspective on what my time is worth and worrying about a mini's height on the base is one of my least concerns.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/22 20:48:53


Post by: BrookM


I wonder what's taking the free sprues so long.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/22 20:52:32


Post by: ImAGeek


 BrookM wrote:
I wonder what's taking the free sprues so long.


I got an email a couple of days ago saying mine had been dispatched.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/22 23:06:56


Post by: bubber


 Zywus wrote:
 bubber wrote:
with pegged feet, you would either have every model with the same spacing between their feet or model-specific bases.

Not if you add more than two holes to the discs, and/or have models with unusual spaces between their feet just come with one peg on one of their feet.

 bubber wrote:
I still can't see the amazing hassle of clipping off 'puddle' bases is.

How many models have you personally removed from integral bases?

I'd reckon it takes roughly 20 times as much time to safely remove an integral base than it takes to glue a pegged-feet-mini to a base with holes. And you're liable to damage the models feet getting it off the base.


have we met then? i'm afraid it's escaped my memory...

btw, as a 30-year veteran, i can't really count how many minis i've converted let alone done some minor mods like taking an integral base from...

btw, less than a minute. no biggie


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/22 23:31:46


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 ImAGeek wrote:
 BrookM wrote:
I wonder what's taking the free sprues so long.


I got an email a couple of days ago saying mine had been dispatched.


What sprue did you choose?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/23 00:28:48


Post by: bubber


if it's from the great wargaming survey, i got mine ages ago.
i asked for the WW2 command sprue.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/23 08:22:44


Post by: ImAGeek


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
 BrookM wrote:
I wonder what's taking the free sprues so long.


I got an email a couple of days ago saying mine had been dispatched.


What sprue did you choose?


Oh, good point, I’d forgotten there was a choice. I chose the Space Grognard sprue.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/23 14:55:31


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Old GW ogres had just one foot with a peg, that's what I was thinking og


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/23 16:14:25


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 ImAGeek wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
 BrookM wrote:
I wonder what's taking the free sprues so long.


I got an email a couple of days ago saying mine had been dispatched.


What sprue did you choose?


Oh, good point, I’d forgotten there was a choice. I chose the Space Grognard sprue.


Dammit. That's what I ordered, and I've heard nothing. Bupkis.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/24 04:37:16


Post by: lord marcus


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
 BrookM wrote:
I wonder what's taking the free sprues so long.


I got an email a couple of days ago saying mine had been dispatched.


What sprue did you choose?


Oh, good point, I’d forgotten there was a choice. I chose the Space Grognard sprue.


Dammit. That's what I ordered, and I've heard nothing. Bupkis.


supposedly the people who run the survey have the sprues, so things should be shipping soonish.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/24 09:20:39


Post by: alphaecho




I received my sprues this morning (UK). Images are below. Shame, but for me at least, my sprues only included the Adrian helmets with gas masks. No Napoleonic Old Guard heads for me.











The castings are nice and crisp. The sprues I have include a chainsword and pistol options, a scabbarded sword, three backpacks, three special weapons (grenade launcher, flamer, melta type?) and a heavy weapon (heavy bolter/ plasma type?).

There are three rifles with hands moulded on but as you can see from the sprues there are plenty of left arms with hands attached as well as the three specific ones with no hands to go with the rifles.

At the very least I will end up with plenty of hands to glue onto the GW Renegade Guardsmen to create the Sons Of Sek!

I may have to order at least one full box from Atlantic if only to obtain some Old Guard heads.

Enjoy!


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/24 11:38:35


Post by: ImAGeek


Mine arrived this morning too.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/24 16:12:46


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Looks like I'll need to order the cool heads, too.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/24 17:45:29


Post by: Elbows


They look okay, but once again the weapons are looking pretty dire to me, a shame as that kills my enthusiasm for the kit.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/25 10:19:41


Post by: Ian Sturrock


I got the halflings and they're pretty decent, but only come with 2 bows on the sprue of five, which means I can't quite add a character halfling to turn them into a unit of six Scouts for Dragon Rampant. I guess I might be able to manage it with giving some of the others swords... the polearms are a bit OTT for Scouts. Nice-looking minis though.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/25 17:24:12


Post by: lord marcus


 Elbows wrote:
They look okay, but once again the weapons are looking pretty dire to me, a shame as that kills my enthusiasm for the kit.


Any reason why?

Also, Persians are up for preorder

https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/persian-infantry?variant=31217950916706


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/25 21:45:38


Post by: Elbows


 lord marcus wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
They look okay, but once again the weapons are looking pretty dire to me, a shame as that kills my enthusiasm for the kit.


Any reason why?

Also, Persians are up for preorder

https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/persian-infantry?variant=31217950916706


Why? Because if something looks daft to me, I'm not likely to pay money to obtain it.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/25 22:22:41


Post by: Taarnak


 Elbows wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
They look okay, but once again the weapons are looking pretty dire to me, a shame as that kills my enthusiasm for the kit.


Any reason why?

Also, Persians are up for preorder

https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/persian-infantry?variant=31217950916706


Why? Because if something looks daft to me, I'm not likely to pay money to obtain it.

Fair sure he means: Why do the weapons look dire to you?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/25 23:35:43


Post by: lord marcus


 Taarnak wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
They look okay, but once again the weapons are looking pretty dire to me, a shame as that kills my enthusiasm for the kit.


Any reason why?

Also, Persians are up for preorder

https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/persian-infantry?variant=31217950916706


Why? Because if something looks daft to me, I'm not likely to pay money to obtain it.

Fair sure he means: Why do the weapons look dire to you?


Correct. Why do they look daft to you.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/30 15:24:37


Post by: lord marcus


Persians are confirmed at 40 to a box


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/30 17:52:27


Post by: Elbows


They look like lazy 1950's movie props. Unattractive, with spindly parts (such as the flamer tank) which are likely to break, overly large bayonets (which look awful), etc. They're not very identifiable for what they're likely meant to represent and are generally unattractive.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/30 19:24:36


Post by: Barzam


The torso/leg bits look like they'd be pretty useful for conversions.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/31 01:35:24


Post by: lord marcus


 Elbows wrote:
They look like lazy 1950's movie props. Unattractive, with spindly parts (such as the flamer tank) which are likely to break, overly large bayonets (which look awful), etc. They're not very identifiable for what they're likely meant to represent and are generally unattractive.


It's a weapon of war. It's supposed to be brutal an unattractive


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/31 08:54:12


Post by: lord_blackfang


The flamethrower really never will survive being clipped off the sprue tho.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/31 13:04:58


Post by: lord marcus


 lord_blackfang wrote:
The flamethrower really never will survive being clipped off the sprue tho.


Depends on how rough you are. I've gotten finnicky bitz like that off with the tip of my sprue clippers before.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/31 17:31:57


Post by: Smokestack


My free halfling sprue arrived today. They do look nice.

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Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/31 17:36:59


Post by: Elbows


 lord marcus wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
They look like lazy 1950's movie props. Unattractive, with spindly parts (such as the flamer tank) which are likely to break, overly large bayonets (which look awful), etc. They're not very identifiable for what they're likely meant to represent and are generally unattractive.


It's a weapon of war. It's supposed to be brutal an unattractive


Well I guess it's a good thing it's not real and I'm not being issued one...but rather a company is trying to sell me a product for a hobby. A product I will not purchase if I don't like the way it looks. Also, tools can be attractive (see: AK pattern rifles), but these are not.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/31 19:04:03


Post by: MrMoustaffa


 Elbows wrote:
They look like lazy 1950's movie props. Unattractive, with spindly parts (such as the flamer tank) which are likely to break, overly large bayonets (which look awful), etc. They're not very identifiable for what they're likely meant to represent and are generally unattractive.

Gotta agree with this, the grognards body and heads look great. I'm actually not too fussed by the rifles either, I think they're alright and fit the theme the regiment is modeled after.

The problem is the godawful pistol and special weapons. They just feel lazy and blocky. They don't look like military weapons or even that visually interesting but impractical like an admech weapon. They're just... Meh? I guess that's the best way I can describe it. I know I'd be replacing those with other choices asap.

Because we know these are representing IG for the most part. You want to sell guard minis, you really need to have halfway decent special weapons, because Lord knows GW ain't gonna sell you any for the most part. If you're stuck immediately replacing these special weapons with 3rd party ones you've now hurt the value of the kit, which is the whole point of it in the first place.

That said I like the general idea of the models, I feel the grognards will look good painted and with some special weapons and pistols that don't look like a 1950's plastic army man weapon left in the hot car too long.

Also I gotta say, after looking at the store page I have to give them props for how flexible they made that kit just by throwing in some head options. I could see players fielding these as Vostroyan, Krieg, Valhallan, or Tallarn units with 0 issues provided they've got the right paintjob and basing. Really shows what GW could do if theyd ever drag the IG infantry kits into the current decade. Greatcoats look good for guard models, news at 11


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2019/12/31 21:03:26


Post by: lord marcus


 MrMoustaffa wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
They look like lazy 1950's movie props. Unattractive, with spindly parts (such as the flamer tank) which are likely to break, overly large bayonets (which look awful), etc. They're not very identifiable for what they're likely meant to represent and are generally unattractive.

Gotta agree with this, the grognards body and heads look great. I'm actually not too fussed by the rifles either, I think they're alright and fit the theme the regiment is modeled after.

The problem is the godawful pistol and special weapons. They just feel lazy and blocky. They don't look like military weapons or even that visually interesting but impractical like an admech weapon. They're just... Meh? I guess that's the best way I can describe it. I know I'd be replacing those with other choices asap.

Because we know these are representing IG for the most part. You want to sell guard minis, you really need to have halfway decent special weapons, because Lord knows GW ain't gonna sell you any for the most part. If you're stuck immediately replacing these special weapons with 3rd party ones you've now hurt the value of the kit, which is the whole point of it in the first place.

That said I like the general idea of the models, I feel the grognards will look good painted and with some special weapons and pistols that don't look like a 1950's plastic army man weapon left in the hot car too long.

Also I gotta say, after looking at the store page I have to give them props for how flexible they made that kit just by throwing in some head options. I could see players fielding these as Vostroyan, Krieg, Valhallan, or Tallarn units with 0 issues provided they've got the right paintjob and basing. Really shows what GW could do if theyd ever drag the IG infantry kits into the current decade. Greatcoats look good for guard models, news at 11


Honestly the selling point for this kit is A) number of bodies per box, and B) 198 heads per box for $35


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/01 04:12:38


Post by: bsharitt


 Smokestack wrote:
My free halfling sprue arrived today. They do look nice.


Oh good, I think I picked the same for my free sprue, hopefully it’ll be here soon. The quality of the free sprue will determine weather or not I buy more to do a full warband for Warlords of Erehwon.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/02 23:39:28


Post by: lord marcus




Sprue for the upcoming afghans


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/02 23:46:03


Post by: Elbows


Now that's a cool and useful kit.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/04 16:04:36


Post by: lord marcus


 Elbows wrote:
Now that's a cool and useful kit.


I think the heads as useful for desert IG


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/04 16:12:37


Post by: Fenriswulf


Dear lord...

Please be IG sized.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/05 06:01:42


Post by: lord marcus


This is what one box of skeleton warriors, less 1 skeleton, plus one spare horse, will net you. The shields are a mix of what comes in the box and extras I had from historicals.

Spoiler:






Images put in spoilers due to size


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/05 07:45:09


Post by: Gallahad


 Fenriswulf wrote:
Dear lord...

Please be IG sized.

They are not. They are historicals sized unfortunately.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/05 15:22:02


Post by: lord marcus


 Gallahad wrote:
 Fenriswulf wrote:
Dear lord...

Please be IG sized.

They are not. They are historicals sized unfortunately.


Everything looks fine 3 feet away at table height.

For example, I use similarly sized warlord games figures in my cities of Sigmar army for age of Sigmar. Several of my regular opponents say the prefer me using them because it drives home the point of "your standard human soldier going up against Eldritch beings and none constructs."


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/05 17:03:39


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Edit: nevermind.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/05 20:50:38


Post by: BrookM


I got my free Grognards sprue but I'm getting the feeling feedback is not all that appreciated?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/05 22:47:17


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 BrookM wrote:
I got my free Grognards sprue but I'm getting the feeling feedback is not all that appreciated?


Is this addressed to me? My post was aiming for snarky banter, not actual hostility. Please do post your feedback.


Anyway, my free frog adds (grognards) arrived as well. The torsos and legs look really good. Since the free sprue did not include the heads I wanted to use, I will use Dreamforge peaked cap heads or WGF heads to make commissars and/or officers. The arms seem very limited, however, and the weapons aren’t great. The Raumjager guns were better, but the arm poses were just as limited. Not sure if I should use DFG arms, WGF arms, or try to fit a Shieldwolf Bolter and sword onto the grognard arms.

I’m sold enough on the quality to buy at least one box for not-guard minis.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/05 23:02:14


Post by: Crimson


Could someone post a pic of the Grognards next to some GW Cadians or other normal humans?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/06 02:42:59


Post by: lord marcus


 BrookM wrote:
I got my free Grognards sprue but I'm getting the feeling feedback is not all that appreciated?


please post your thoughts, they are very much welcome!


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/06 14:28:42


Post by: alphaecho


 Crimson wrote:
Could someone post a pic of the Grognards next to some GW Cadians or other normal humans?



If you can wait until Fri/ Sat?


As for the figures themselves, I certainly can't complain as I received them for free.

They are built,negative heads due to not having the Imperial Guard style headgear.

Three leg and torso options could end up being a limiting factor but as an avid Praetorian IG collector, I'm not in a position to complain about repeat poses!

Will I buy more? I'm tempted to buy a box to add to the six I have and would hopefully have enough Bearskin heads (mask and non-mask) to kit out those first figures. I'm certainly not averse to the idea of having a set, the only factors counting against a purchase are time to build and paint and space to keep more models above the Sisters I'm planning on buying..



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/06 15:00:01


Post by: BrookM


Here's a potato quality size comparison between a Grognard, Cadian and a Forge World Solar Auxilia trooper:



Slightly shorter and slimmer than a Cadian and most other ranges out there.

The models are okay. Nothing world shattering or special, they very much remind me of the first wave of Bolt Action infantry plastics: decent. For me personally it's just an odd mish-mash of different styles of uniform and armour that don't go together well. There is also a lack of poses if you buy these in bulk, as the kit comes with three bodies and three sets of rifle arms. Grenade lobbing arms cannot be combined with the rifle arms either, not without cutting and clipping, which is something of a missed opportunity.

The thing I like the least on the sprue though are the special weapon and pistol designs, they are uninspired, bland, generic. That said, it does come with enough arms for every option included, so bulk build friendly. Also, keep the bayonets away from kids and people who pick up models at odd angles, they are quite sharp.

Favourite bits on sprue are the pistol holster (can never have enough of those), the sheathed sabre and the portable radio.



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/06 15:06:55


Post by: Crimson


Thank you, BrookM! The size difference is not insane, but probably makes mixing them with GW bits nonviable, which lessens the usability of these models for me.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/06 19:47:23


Post by: lord marcus


 Crimson wrote:
Thank you, BrookM! The size difference is not insane, but probably makes mixing them with GW bits nonviable, which lessens the usability of these models for me.


Might as well try blutaking them. I found sticking cadian lasgun arms on some historical kits nets good results


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/06 19:59:43


Post by: judgedoug


fyi the digital sculptor that WA uses (ex GW, also Victrix) has been making the sci-fi infantry kits to be fully compatible with Cadians. PeteTheWargamer who made the Raumjager/Cadian conversion video is working on a Grognard/Cadian video.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/06 20:16:19


Post by: Albino Squirrel


I was very disappointed that the sample sprue only include ones type of head, which wasn't clear when I requested it. The bodies and arms look good. As mentioned, I really dislike that you can't have a guy with a rifle throwing a grenade. There are plenty of options for non-rifle guys (several different special weapons, sword/pistol, grenade throwing arms) but it seems like all your rifle guys will look exactly the same. There are a few little extras like pouches and grenades to hang on people. The weapon designs I don't really like much.

I'm not sure if I should find heads somewhere to try to make these into commissars or something for my guard army, since they'll look different than my existing greatcoat guys. But there's only one set of pistol/sword arms. Maybe call them corporals and give them rifles and put on in each heavy weapon team or something. I don't know. I'd like to get them put together and painted and see how they look, I'm just not sure yet what do do with them.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/06 21:00:55


Post by: BrookM


Another odd design choice is with regards to the sword and pistol: both are held by a right arm, so you can't have both on the same model without some converting or using a hand from somewhere else.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/06 21:27:47


Post by: Albino Squirrel


 BrookM wrote:
Another odd design choice is with regards to the sword and pistol: both are held by a right arm, so you can't have both on the same model without some converting or using a hand from somewhere else.


Shoot, I hadn't noticed that. I guess I just assumed they would be opposites so you could use both on the same guy of you wanted.

I wonder how these guys would look with spare arms/weapons from the adeptus mechanicus infantry.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/06 21:43:54


Post by: BrookM


Maybe I'll give that a try tomorrow, I got loads of spare Skitarii bits and right now the sergeant mini I've done with a sword and pointing hand just doesn't look right to me, might as well pop those arms off and just experiment with that one.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/07 01:14:44


Post by: Dr Mathias


 Albino Squirrel wrote:

I'm not sure if I should find heads somewhere to try to make these into commissars or something for my guard army, since they'll look different than my existing greatcoat guys. But there's only one set of pistol/sword arms. Maybe call them corporals and give them rifles and put on in each heavy weapon team or something. I don't know. I'd like to get them put together and painted and see how they look, I'm just not sure yet what do do with them.


How many heads do you need? I'm going to be using the bodies for my Imperial Navy project (3rd party heads) so I'll have extras for whatever type you're looking for.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/07 23:10:48


Post by: lord marcus


More teasers from Facebook:

What can be made from a sprue of dark age Irish, with parts leftover.



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/07 23:27:05


Post by: Elbows


Bizarre choice to make a promotional picture without cleaning your miniatures (huge bits of sprue-gates everywhere). Still, nice enough looking kit for those playing the period.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/07 23:33:30


Post by: lord marcus


 Elbows wrote:
Bizarre choice to make a promotional picture without cleaning your miniatures (huge bits of sprue-gates everywhere). Still, nice enough looking kit for those playing the period.


To be perfectly honest I think they just wanted to show off how they look. More of a "ooh the test Sprues are in" rather than "definitely box art photo time."


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/07 23:38:03


Post by: Elbows


Sure, but...why not take the extra five minutes to clean them up? Just an odd choice. This is all feedback for whoever is running this outfit. Take the extra time.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/08 00:04:41


Post by: Gallahad


Really nice looking kit!


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/08 00:41:31


Post by: Jamie Shred


 lord marcus wrote:
This is what one box of skeleton warriors, less 1 skeleton, plus one spare horse, will net you. The shields are a mix of what comes in the box and extras I had from historicals.

Spoiler:






Images put in spoilers due to size


How big are they? Thinking I might pick some up for the elder Scrolls game that's coming out in March but the Modiphius stuff is usually much closer to 32mm


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/08 03:43:35


Post by: lord marcus


Jamie Shred wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
This is what one box of skeleton warriors, less 1 skeleton, plus one spare horse, will net you. The shields are a mix of what comes in the box and extras I had from historicals.

Spoiler:






Images put in spoilers due to size


How big are they? Thinking I might pick some up for the elder Scrolls game that's coming out in March but the Modiphius stuff is usually much closer to 32mm


they would fit in fine. they are 28mm with relatively heroic proportions


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/08 09:22:30


Post by: Jamie Shred


Great cheers Lord Marcus


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/08 14:43:41


Post by: judgedoug


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
I was very disappointed that the sample sprue only include ones type of head, which wasn't clear when I requested it.


Oddly, WA asked if they wanted both sprues, to which WSS reply was to only send the single sprue, as dealing with two would be too difficult logistically.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/08 15:15:43


Post by: lord marcus


Jamie Shred wrote:
Great cheers Lord Marcus
sure thing.



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/08 15:26:01


Post by: Albino Squirrel


 Dr Mathias wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:

I'm not sure if I should find heads somewhere to try to make these into commissars or something for my guard army, since they'll look different than my existing greatcoat guys. But there's only one set of pistol/sword arms. Maybe call them corporals and give them rifles and put on in each heavy weapon team or something. I don't know. I'd like to get them put together and painted and see how they look, I'm just not sure yet what do do with them.


How many heads do you need? I'm going to be using the bodies for my Imperial Navy project (3rd party heads) so I'll have extras for whatever type you're looking for.


Well, I only really need three to assemble the guys on the sample sprue I got. I was interested in either the bearskin hats, or the shakos with the big feather plumes (to lead either my regular infantry squads or my heavy weapons squads, I'm not sure which I'd most likely use them for yet). Preferably without the gasmasks. If you'd be willing to send me your spares I'd be grateful, and can trade you any of the extra stuff I end up with off my sample grognards sprue if you need another one of some of the weapons on there or something. Not sure what else I'd have that you might be interested in.


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/09 15:13:00


Post by: lord marcus


I recieved a free review sprues of Wargames Atlantic's upcoming Dark Age era Irish today.

The sprue comes with parts to build 6 warriors, and 2 hounds. Based on the estimates stated by Wargames Atlantic here on Facebook, a full box should come to 30/10, for an overall 40 Miniatures.

The sprue is absolutely packed with options, and I am particularly excited with having already thought up possible uses for the cloaks and some of the buckler sized shields.

Pose variety is good. My one criticism of the kit is I prefer both arms to be separate from the torso, but these already have torso and left arm as one. Personally I feel having both arms separate allows for a wider variety of poses, but I guess with a saw nothing's impossible.

The shield types differ, but to be honest the clothing and wargear these gents are armed with lends themselves to possible uses from early ancients to the middle of the period the were designed for in the dark ages. I could easily see these with shield swaps from other kits being used as pictish warbands or even just generic Celtic tribesmen.

However,my personal favorite part of the kit is the dogs. While uses in wargaming are relatively limited, thier including highlights Wargames Atlantic's attention to fine detail and added value. From a new company I see that as a very good thing.

Dark Age irish https://imgur.com/gallery/RabjLsD



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/15 01:44:45


Post by: lord marcus


A teaser for the next death fields release has been posted on the Facebook group.



Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/15 01:55:15


Post by: Elbows


Dress uniform Guard?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/15 10:55:20


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


They've done German and French guard, so British?


Wargames Atlantic: Mark Mondragon's Iron Core page 27 @ 2020/01/15 18:40:48


Post by: MrMoustaffa


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
They've done German and French guard, so British?

Not praetorians in plastic would probably do well, given that all the plastic historical offerings for British infantry are way too skinny for 40k use to my knowledge.

It could be mordians/praetorians hybrid, all they have to do is include two different kinds of heads, which they seem more than capable of. Sword looks decent, here's hoping they fix the special weapons