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Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/02 17:57:27


Post by: BlackOps


I am planning on getting a renegade knight and fitting it out as follows: 2 Avenger gattling cannons with heavy flamers, heavy stubber and ironstorm missile pod. Now for my question/s. There seem to be quite a few knight kits with various armaments. Which is the best for said configuration. keeping in mind I will magnetise it for other weapon options? I see there are several that would build this load out but as im magnetising I would like to have the most usable secondary werapon options. I Hope this is the correct place, couldnt think where else to post it. Ohh its a death guard army, if thats relevant. Thanks for any help.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/02 18:02:15


Post by: beast_gts


The "Knight Preceptor Canis Rex" and "Imperial Knight Crusader / Warden" boxes both come with a single Avenger, so you'd need to either buy two or get a second Avenger from eBay or a bits seller.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/02 18:02:40


Post by: chimeara


Generally a double avenger puts out a lot of hate in one turn. especially if you're moving it to get into flamer range. In my current tournament RK list I always run one dual avenger. I've considered running 2, but I like to run another with thermal/avenger. Ironstorm is probably one of the better choices if you're in an infantry heavy area or playing ITC. Stormspear for biggies. I've run Icarus in ITC, it was not great.


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beast_gts wrote:
The "Knight Preceptor Canis Rex" and "Imperial Knight Crusader / Warden" boxes both come with a single Avenger, so you'd need to either buy two or get a second Avenger from eBay or a bits seller.

The only issue is Preceptor can't be used by RK. For avengers, I like the Spellcrow ones. They're a heck of a lot cheaper than getting them from bits dealers. Most people charge $30+ for them.


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https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipM00MijUcXIbRCQoAedNqTP2iYeEO-swcrbCGaE
Here is my knight with the Spellcrow guns.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/02 18:25:45


Post by: JNAProductions


 chimeara wrote:
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipM00MijUcXIbRCQoAedNqTP2iYeEO-swcrbCGaE
Here is my knight with the Spellcrow guns.
Link's broken.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/02 18:28:08


Post by: chimeara


Crap. Here, I'll upload it instead.

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Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/02 19:04:49


Post by: BlackOps


Thanks for the quick replies. I guess its a Imperial Knight Crusader with an ebayed/3rd party 2nd avenger. Seems like it will have some nice options with magnetisation.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/02 19:49:44


Post by: Quasistellar


taromodelmaker also makes a conversion piece, I believe (as well as some other spectacular bits for knights).

Personally if I were you I'd buy the Preceptor kit, as it comes with a detailed interior for (I think) the same price as the Warden/Crusader kit. It's simply the same kit as the Warden with the Preceptor/Canis Rex sprue added in. Really no reason to buy anything else these days if you're just buying one questoris knight.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/02 20:12:41


Post by: BlackOps


Yeah, that makes sense. It does seem to be the same price. An extra sprue without extra charge! Am I in an alternate dimension? TaroModelmaker got some nice bits too. Boomarked for future reference. Thanks.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/02 20:13:16


Post by: timetowaste85


 chimeara wrote:
Generally a double avenger puts out a lot of hate in one turn. especially if you're moving it to get into flamer range. In my current tournament RK list I always run one dual avenger. I've considered running 2, but I like to run another with thermal/avenger. Ironstorm is probably one of the better choices if you're in an infantry heavy area or playing ITC. Stormspear for biggies. I've run Icarus in ITC, it was not great.


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beast_gts wrote:
The "Knight Preceptor Canis Rex" and "Imperial Knight Crusader / Warden" boxes both come with a single Avenger, so you'd need to either buy two or get a second Avenger from eBay or a bits seller.

The only issue is Preceptor can't be used by RK. For avengers, I like the Spellcrow ones. They're a heck of a lot cheaper than getting them from bits dealers. Most people charge $30+ for them.


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https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipM00MijUcXIbRCQoAedNqTP2iYeEO-swcrbCGaE
Here is my knight with the Spellcrow guns.


Alternatively, get a Maulerfiend/Forgefiend kit, assemble with plasma guns, enjoy your two avenger gattling cannons. They fit VERY well with minor cutting and no green stuff needed.
I'll post a pic of mine later; both of just an arm (it's in pieces still) and assembled.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/02 23:26:31


Post by: Irbis


 timetowaste85 wrote:
Alternatively, get a Maulerfiend/Forgefiend kit, assemble with plasma guns, enjoy your two avenger gattling cannons. They fit VERY well with minor cutting and no green stuff needed.
I'll post a pic of mine later; both of just an arm (it's in pieces still) and assembled.

This, I have seen them up close on several models, and they look both really nice and chaotic. I wouldn't bother with third party junk, most of it is really ugly and has big size issues (being either way too small or comically oversized).


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/03 06:34:03


Post by: BlackOps


Sound nice, I would be really interested in seeing your example. The only reservation I have is that a Maulerfiend/Forgefiend doesn't have the 'death guard' keyword and thus wouldn't fit my army too well. Hmm ,maybe a bits seller or sell the rest of the kit on. Food for thought. Thanks


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/03 18:13:05


Post by: Quasistellar


Yeah if those forge fiend bits work I could see them being great for the chaos aesthetic.

Don’t underestimate some of the 3rd party bits though. That taromodelmaker dude makes some great stuff and it’s made to work with the original kits. I think the gattling bit can be attached to the RFBC/thermal cannon base so you can magnetize and have every configuration including chaos dual load outs. He even sells the extra arm joints.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/03 19:01:00


Post by: Reemule


I appreciate the slight size difference in the Taro Gatling I have. Equipment made 10K or more years ago should have some variation.

Also I think that GW does also. That is why my Styrix and Mageara have different armor patterns even through they are questoris knights.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/03 20:16:15


Post by: Elbows


If anything, a Renegade Knight featuring two different gatling weapons is far more logical (just picked up from another dead Knight on a battlefield somewhere over its 10,000 year long service...)


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/03 21:18:12


Post by: timetowaste85


Pics attached! Hope this helps!

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Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/03 22:32:32


Post by: timetowaste85


Pics attached! Hope this helps!

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Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/03 23:39:14


Post by: BlackOps


That looks awsome! and the head . Damn, I neeed that now. Appreciate you taking the time to post the pics up. Although, my wallet does not


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/03 23:58:24


Post by: timetowaste85


The head is also from the mauler/forgefiend Kit. So yes, you want that kit!

And glad to help!!


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/04 11:10:08


Post by: Brother Castor


I've been watching this thread with interest as I've been thinking of adding a Renegade Knight to my Renegade Armiger list for larger games.

And I've just managed to pick up a new Warden box for £50 on eBay


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/04 11:32:03


Post by: Daedalus81


FYI Renegade Knight lovers...

Seems something may be on the way...




Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/04 11:57:19


Post by: Brother Castor


That's great


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/04 11:58:42


Post by: Stux


 Daedalus81 wrote:
FYI Renegade Knight lovers...

Seems something may be on the way...




Bets this is a new Codex and it doesn't allow double Avengers?


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/04 12:01:41


Post by: Brother Castor


More likely a new Renegade Knight model or upgrade sprue would be my guess.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/04 12:27:50


Post by: BoomWolf


I'd really rather them forgo the whole "renegade knight" shitck and go full ham into "chaos knights"


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/04 14:19:04


Post by: techsoldaten


I'd look closely at the details of that Knight.

The Thunderstrike Gauntlet has spikey digits, similar to the CSM Power Fist. The Reaper Chainsword appears to have some additional spikes. The face is definitely different from anything we've seen.

Thinking about the TS / Death Guard videos, the characters were representational of the models. Maybe it's just a sprue that's coming, but I'd really like to see that sprue. I'm assuming we're getting some better rules.



Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/04 15:45:59


Post by: drakerocket


So long as we get to keep the double avengers everyone has modeled. It'd be nice of our castelans got the same ability. Wouldn't be a problem given the nerfs.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/04 17:24:06


Post by: Brother Castor


 techsoldaten wrote:
I'm assuming we're getting some better rules.

What's wrong with the current rules? I can't imagine they'll be superseded after just 10 months


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/04 17:39:46


Post by: Elbows


He likely means more rules (read: proper warlord traits, stratagems, relics - possibly to actually run a Renegade Knight list on par with Imperial Knights).

Given how strong Chaos is at the moment, a full Renegade or Chaos Knight army option would bring their soup to the boil.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/04 20:36:33


Post by: BrianDavion


I'd bet on a full scale chaos knights codex. they're going to need something to drive sales for the new kit. the diex is fine if you just want a single chaos knight to backstop a CSM army but.. thats not gonna sell kits


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/04 20:54:07


Post by: Stux


 techsoldaten wrote:
I'm assuming we're getting some better rules.


Yeah... Ynnari would like a word about that.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/05 18:05:05


Post by: BoomWolf


Stronger rules and better rules are NOT one and the same.

The new yannari rules are not as strong, but far better.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/06 15:16:50


Post by: chimeara


I ran this army this past weekend. Went 3-2(15th/50). The whole time I was really wishing I had some strategem or relic support in terms of anti Psyker, or perhaps the 2" reach strat.

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Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/06 15:22:22


Post by: Brother Castor


 chimeara wrote:
I ran this army this past weekend. Went 3-2(15th/50). The whole time I was really wishing I had some strategem or relic support in terms of anti Psyker, or perhaps the 2" reach strat.

Very cool.

Is that a 2000 point list?


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/06 15:52:32


Post by: chimeara


 Brother Castor wrote:
 chimeara wrote:
I ran this army this past weekend. Went 3-2(15th/50). The whole time I was really wishing I had some strategem or relic support in terms of anti Psyker, or perhaps the 2" reach strat.

Very cool.

Is that a 2000 point list?

Close, 1993


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/06 15:54:53


Post by: Brother Castor


So a single super-heavy detachment with 2 Armiger vehicle squadrons?


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/06 16:08:10


Post by: chimeara


 Brother Castor wrote:
So a single super-heavy detachment with 2 Armiger vehicle squadrons?

Exactly. Gives me 9 CP.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/06 16:36:48


Post by: Brother Castor


Nice. I'm going to be on 6CP at 1500 points with a single Renegade Knight and 3 Armiger vehicle squadrons...


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/06 16:43:44


Post by: BrianDavion


looking at what you have there, I'd have run the list as Imperial Knights. You'd lose the double gatling guns sure (say One's a Battlecanon?) but get access to the IK strats, relics etc. proably be worth it in the short term well waiting for a Chaos Knight 'dex


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/06 17:07:05


Post by: chimeara


BrianDavion wrote:
looking at what you have there, I'd have run the list as Imperial Knights. You'd lose the double gatling guns sure (say One's a Battlecanon?) but get access to the IK strats, relics etc. proably be worth it in the short term well waiting for a Chaos Knight 'dex

I've had that suggestion several times. I understand why. I'm just try to jam out some points for ITC RK. After this weekend and one RTT that hasn't posted yet I should be in top 3 for RK.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/06 18:25:30


Post by: Reemule


With the new teaser video the speculation is that your getting a renegade Knight Dex.

I don't hope for House traits, but I think a chaotic expansion of the Freeblade Benefits and Burdens concept would be pretty neat.

Either way they also need to give them to basics of the Stratagem list to allow them to compete.



Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/06 18:39:35


Post by: Brother Castor


chimeara wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
looking at what you have there, I'd have run the list as Imperial Knights. You'd lose the double gatling guns sure (say One's a Battlecanon?) but get access to the IK strats, relics etc. proably be worth it in the short term well waiting for a Chaos Knight 'dex

I've had that suggestion several times. I understand why. I'm just try to jam out some points for ITC RK. After this weekend and one RTT that hasn't posted yet I should be in top 3 for RK.

Same here, but I'm assuming by how well your knights have been modelled as Renegade Knights that it's the Questor Traitoris you prefer playing?

Reemule wrote:With the new teaser video the speculation is that your getting a renegade Knight Dex.

Perhaps, but more likely that it will just be new models. Time will tell.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/06 20:39:23


Post by: chimeara


Yeah I'm Chaos all the way. I also like playing stuff that isn't what everyone else is playing.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/07 00:44:29


Post by: Apple Peel


Honestly though.

If I was to build a pure Knight list before it would be Imperial, no doubt.

But if they keep the rules for Chaos Knights unit’s the same and give them a whole lot of new rules, I build chaos for the shear customization ability.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/07 05:22:57


Post by: Brother Castor


For myself, as I explained on another thread:
 Brother Castor wrote:
I'm going to keep the loadouts IK-compatible, but stick with Renegade knights for now - purely because I like the idea of playing daemonic knights

There's no denying that an IK list would probably be stronger, but that's not always the most important thing about playing 40K.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/10 14:25:47


Post by: Brother Castor


So how long has this FW Chaos Knight been available?

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Chaos-Knight


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/10 14:42:49


Post by: chimeara


For a few years that I'm aware of. I've got 2. It's a nice kit.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/10 16:05:41


Post by: Brother Castor


Is it essentially the Warden kit with an additional sprue of resin Chaos parts?


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/10 16:39:42


Post by: chimeara


It's a complete standard IK kit with the resin chaos parts.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/11 11:48:43


Post by: Daedalus81


Oohhh guuuyyyssss









Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/11 12:01:09


Post by: Brother Castor


I guess I'll be buying a new Codex then...


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/11 12:15:05


Post by: chimeara


Finally!! Those knights look so good. This is one release I'm very excited for. I will definitely be getting some more knights.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/11 12:47:42


Post by: Apple Peel


The new Knight kit is named two ways. I feel like this means Chaos Knights are getting classes like crusader and gallant.
That means weapon restrictions to only certain models. Now not interested. Awesome looking stuff though.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/11 13:01:22


Post by: chimeara


The article does say that everything from the Index will be usable. I think their just pimpin some of the new new stuff. Gave everyone a Chaos themed name.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/11 16:39:46


Post by: Brother Castor


So based on previous previews, how long until this new codex lands?


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/11 16:44:50


Post by: chimeara


I'd wager end of May/beginning of June.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/11 16:54:54


Post by: TwinPoleTheory


I am pleased to have been wrong about this.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/11 18:34:17


Post by: BrianDavion


So let's look at our new chaos knights a moment shall we?

we're getting two,
the first is the Rampager



it looks like it's armed with a chain sword, thunderfist gauntlet and heavy stubber, nothing to see here. it's just a Gallent with spikes.

the second, the desecrator, is more intreasting

it's melee weapon is clearly a thunder fist gauntlet, but the rangerd weapon is a.. differant. That is NOT a RFBC. (you can tell it's not just a varient apperance by the lack of a heavy stubber in the shield BTW) It's something new. Maybe some sort of Autocanon?


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/11 18:40:16


Post by: JohnnyHell


It has power cells so some Uber-Las, or a Volcano cannon in miniature (barrel design)?


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/11 18:43:09


Post by: Stux


 JohnnyHell wrote:
It has power cells so some Uber-Las, or a Volcano cannon in miniature (barrel design)?


The cells imply energy weapon and yes the muzzle is reminiscent of volcano cannons. Presumably will be less powerful than the Castellan Volcano Lance though.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/11 18:45:52


Post by: stormcraft


Looks like a Volcano Cannon typ weapon to me. The barrel looks a lot like other volcano type weapons


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/11 19:44:01


Post by: Dudeface


The claw has rear mounted blades, it looks more like a lightning claw than a fist maybe?


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/11 19:44:33


Post by: Daedalus81


The canid hind legs are just too awesome.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/11 21:02:30


Post by: chimeara


I would like to point out that the gauntlet is left handed, the normal one is right. Perhaps we get a dual gaunlet version? That sounds saucey.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/11 21:14:30


Post by: BrianDavion


Dudeface wrote:
The claw has rear mounted blades, it looks more like a lightning claw than a fist maybe?


could be, I assumed the claws where just for deco but you could be right it could be something new.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 05:38:38


Post by: Eldenfirefly


My guess is they will make that gun op. Because they want to drive sales and there is nothing in the existing range of knights that have that. It will be like the chain cannon of chaos. Its so good you have to get it if you play chaos knights, but if you want it, you have to buy the new kit. (This is just cold deliberate marketing strategy. )

And yeah, the talon fist looks different from just the usual knight one. Maybe it will be a horde killer. Gives 4 or 5 attacks per attack in place of a stomp attack and with exploding 6 attacks, and with reroll wounds. So if you use it, you will absolutely chew through infantry. (I am just speculating here.) hehe.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 05:43:14


Post by: Karol


The leg joints make no sense, with the way weight is distributed, because of its huge upper body. It would be falling over, if its guns have any push back. And definitly it would fall down if it got hit.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 05:49:45


Post by: Eldenfirefly


Its 40k, Rule of Cool trumps logic.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 08:05:35


Post by: BrianDavion


Eldenfirefly wrote:
Its 40k, Rule of Cool trumps logic.


this I mean chainswords don't make a whole lot of sense eaither


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 08:49:09


Post by: Brother Castor


They do when they're that size!


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 10:54:56


Post by: SicSemperTyrannis


 Brother Castor wrote:
They do when they're that size!


A pillow that size would crush a building


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 11:59:19


Post by: techsoldaten


Interesting.

The Chaos Knight a standard Knight body with the legs pulled back, better faces, more exposed pipes, more spikes and variant guns.

Perhaps it will grow on me but it feels like GW missed the mark. Thinking about the FW Chaos Knight and how the carapace was covered with folds, cracks, etc. I really like the model, but the hull was so distinctive I could never see myself with more than one. That diminish the impact.

The pictures of the GW Chaos Knights make me think they have a similar problem. One of them will certainly look impressive, two will look uniform. Just swapping the guns and the face is not enough to achieve full Chaos.

Reserving judgement until I see the Codex. My initial impressions is that the new model will require conversions and it may be better to start with a standard Imperial Knight body.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 12:37:47


Post by: Excommunicatus


Ayuh, the FW Chaos Knight is entirely too generic, too Undivided and too complex to significantly change.

I'd much rather have a relatively blank slate to corrupt as I see fit, too.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 14:26:54


Post by: Tamwulf


The big gun looks like a Turbo Laser to me.

All the detail on the kits are fantastic! One of the issues I had with the Imperial Knights were the big, blank areas on the carapace, shoulders and lower legs. If you are an artist and can freehand well, then it's like a huge blank canvas. If you can barely paint "between the lines" like me, those areas are an eye sore, and you end up relying on transfers/decals. I'm a bit disappointed that the Armigers and Castelen are just conversions. You can always raid the bits box and make the Armigers models for Chaos. Will be a little harder on the Castelen due to it's size.

Chaos has finally found my weak spot: giant stompy killer robots.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 14:53:38


Post by: BomBomHotdog


Noticed a downside: no carapace weapons (missile pods and Icarus array)

Everything else looks awesome.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 14:56:06


Post by: Brother Castor


I'm really surprised that two new models (possibly just a single kit) has turned so many people on to Renegade Knights. We've had the Index and Forge World kit for ages now...


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 15:11:55


Post by: chimeara


I'm kinda hoping for some ind of rail cannon type gun or a volcano lance.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 15:16:36


Post by: Daedalus81


 Brother Castor wrote:
I'm really surprised that two new models (possibly just a single kit) has turned so many people on to Renegade Knights. We've had the Index and Forge World kit for ages now...


The current kits just always felt too tacked on for me. Now they have something that really fits the aesthetic as well as full traits, relics, and tactics? Yes please.

Downside? That kit is going to be $175+



Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 15:22:24


Post by: Dudeface


BomBomHotdog wrote:
Noticed a downside: no carapace weapons (missile pods and Icarus array)

Everything else looks awesome.


The mounting point is still there so you can always pop a spare weapon in there, assuming they have the option.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 15:34:43


Post by: Quasistellar


Man those legs are awesome. I hope they’re poseable!


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 15:57:21


Post by: Brutus_Apex


Perhaps it will grow on me but it feels like GW missed the mark. Thinking about the FW Chaos Knight and how the carapace was covered with folds, cracks, etc. I really like the model, but the hull was so distinctive I could never see myself with more than one. That diminish the impact.

The pictures of the GW Chaos Knights make me think they have a similar problem. One of them will certainly look impressive, two will look uniform. Just swapping the guns and the face is not enough to achieve full Chaos.


I'm probably going to buy 2 FW Chaos Knights, and 2 Renegade knights and kit bash them together for maximum differentiation.

The new renegade knights look so awesome.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 16:41:26


Post by: Dysartes


 Brother Castor wrote:
I'm really surprised that two new models (possibly just a single kit) has turned so many people on to Renegade Knights. We've had the Index and Forge World kit for ages now...


My current concern is that I think RK already get access to almost everything from the IK book (in terms of chassis and guns - I think the Perceptor is the exception?), and now they're getting two more Knights of their own as well?

And I can already hear the gnashing of teeth if the RK relics/traits/strats aren't on par with the IK ones...


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 16:56:01


Post by: Ice_can


 Dysartes wrote:
 Brother Castor wrote:
I'm really surprised that two new models (possibly just a single kit) has turned so many people on to Renegade Knights. We've had the Index and Forge World kit for ages now...


My current concern is that I think RK already get access to almost everything from the IK book (in terms of chassis and guns - I think the Perceptor is the exception?), and now they're getting two more Knights of their own as well?

And I can already hear the gnashing of teeth if the RK relics/traits/strats aren't on par with the IK ones...

Can you imagine the amount of Knights are OP complaining that will come about if Choas knights are stronger, which is thats a volcano lance is probably going to be the case, also if they get demonic buffs. There will be salt for millennia, about the all knights being OP and must NERF.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 16:56:36


Post by: Brother Castor


The only reason I'll be buying the codex is because it will invalidate the index I already have. I was already fully invested in Renegade Knights before all this dropped. Mind you, more rules and fluff is always nice too, and the hardback codexes are very nice books.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 17:00:19


Post by: Ice_can


 Brother Castor wrote:
The only reason I'll be buying the codex is because it will invalidate the index I already have. I was already fully invested in Renegade Knights before all this dropped. Mind you, more rules and fluff is always nice too, and the hardback codexes are very nice books.

Don't get me wrong I'm happy that our traitors brothers and sisters now have rules, so that we can defeat you on the field to restore honour lost when you were foolish enough to fall for the arch traitors lies and deceit.

But you just know those less honourable forces will be complaining.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 17:03:47


Post by: Brother Castor


Ice_can wrote:
 Brother Castor wrote:
The only reason I'll be buying the codex is because it will invalidate the index I already have. I was already fully invested in Renegade Knights before all this dropped. Mind you, more rules and fluff is always nice too, and the hardback codexes are very nice books.

Don't get me wrong I'm happy that our traitors brothers and sisters now have rules, so that we can defeat you on the field to restore honour lost when you were foolish enough to fall for the arch traitors lies and deceit.

But you just know those less honourable forces will be complaining.



Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 17:30:10


Post by: McMagnus Mindbullets


I am very interested as to how soon this coming soon is.

Because on the one hand, I want to gobble up these new rules, but on the other, I won't be able to afford them in time by any stretch of the imagination

I'm hoping these are July/August/September rather than June or before that, give us a chance

Ps. THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 19:18:59


Post by: chimeara


I've got a GT lined up end of June, I'd like to try the new rules there and a couple RTT's before the Gencon tournament.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 19:34:23


Post by: Daedalus81


Ice_can wrote:

Can you imagine the amount of Knights are OP complaining that will come about if Choas knights are stronger, which is thats a volcano lance is probably going to be the case, also if they get demonic buffs. There will be salt for millennia, about the all knights being OP and must NERF.


They'll probably just be analogues of imperials. Tzeentch knights get 4++, Khorne for +1A, etc. Some way to summon daemons through a stratagem and other evil-y versions of stuff.

There's a good chance that lance won't be on a Crusader type so with just one big gun it's less scary.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 19:35:02


Post by: GoatboyBeta


 chimeara wrote:
I would like to point out that the gauntlet is left handed, the normal one is right. Perhaps we get a dual gaunlet version? That sounds saucey.


My personal feeling is that to pad out the Codex the current single datasheets for each Knight body will get split up by weapon loadout in a similar way to the Loyalists. So most likely no double gauntlet, or double whatever the new gun is.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 21:42:18


Post by: techsoldaten


In the new Codex, the biggest thing I'll be looking for is synergy with Chaos forces.

Most of the Renegade Knight models I've seen in people's armies are crafted to look like Chaos Legions. It would be a shame if players cannot build on that somehow, or if we were locked into a set of Traitor Houses.

I realize it's unrealistic to expect all of the following, but I'd be disappointed to find none of them present.

- Legion Traits
- Mark of Chaos
- Daemon Keyword
- Psychic Powers
- Freeblade-style qualities and burdens

In addition, Renegades should have a distinct flavor. Given the low model count, I'd hate the tactics to be a carbon copy of what the Imperials have. I'd love to see some combination of the following:

- A FNP ability
- An "always strike first" ability
- A Warptime ability
- A Deep Strike Stratagem


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 21:49:14


Post by: Ice_can


 techsoldaten wrote:
In the new Codex, the biggest thing I'll be looking for is synergy with Chaos forces.

Most of the Renegade Knight models I've seen in people's armies are crafted to look like Chaos Legions. It would be a shame if players cannot build on that somehow, or if we were locked into a set of Traitor Houses.

I realize it's unrealistic to expect all of the following, but I'd be disappointed to find none of them present.

- Legion Traits
- Mark of Chaos
- Daemon Keyword
- Psychic Powers
- Freeblade-style qualities and burdens

In addition, Renegades should have a distinct flavor. Given the low model count, I'd hate the tactics to be a carbon copy of what the Imperials have. I'd love to see some combination of the following:

- A FNP ability
- An "always strike first" ability
- A Warptime ability
- A Deep Strike Stratagem

Many of those would have to come with some seriously steep points increases as the interactions of the many buffs available via lord discordant, apostles etc are not small and applied to a knight would be hell to balance.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 22:57:10


Post by: StrayIight


Ice_can wrote:

Many of those would have to come with some seriously steep points increases as the interactions of the many buffs available via lord discordant, apostles etc are not small and applied to a knight would be hell to balance.

I have to agree. The shenanigans possible via the Daemon keyword alone (without any caveats) would get very silly very quickly.




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 techsoldaten wrote:


Most of the Renegade Knight models I've seen in people's armies are crafted to look like Chaos Legions. It would be a shame if players cannot build on that somehow, or if we were locked into a set of Traitor Houses.



Traitor Houses are precisely what exist in the fluff though. If you think they won't be present to some degree, i think you're going to be disappointed.

There's nothing stopping anyone painting a 'Black Legion' Knight and choosing an appropriate Traitor Household trait from what's available though (assuming there are any). Seems a pretty sensible approach...


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/12 23:05:33


Post by: Crimson


StrayIight wrote:

Traitor Houses are precisely what exist in the fluff though. If you think they won't be present to some degree, i think you're going to be disappointed.

Yeah. Why would there be 'Legion' Knights? Legions are a Marine thing and the Knights are not Marines...


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/13 00:20:02


Post by: Shas'O'Ceris


All I need now (as in a year ago) is a house trait equivalent. Just something to fill the empty slot. A new model and probably 6 or 12 things to put in each slot is very nice but even as an imperium hater I don't think renegade knights should eclipse loyalists.

Synergizing with legion or god would be cool if it's kept light, but as has been said there is a lot of networking with those keywords.

More than anything I'd like a way to gain charge distance and defense vs shooting.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/13 01:50:52


Post by: BrianDavion


marks of chaos seem likely, legion traits? yeah no. knights are NOT part of the llegion astartes, they're their own thing


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/13 10:26:39


Post by: StrayIight


I'm hoping we'll get a level of parity, or a less overtly powerful toolbox than our Imperial cousins have in all honesty. As long as whatever is in the Codex gives us a viable set of tools that allows us to win a game when we have played a little smarter than the other guy, that'd be great. I'd like to think that few of us really want to auto win because our rules are better.

What does worry me, is the potential interaction with Chaos as a whole.

IMO, the Imperial Knight Codex is actually reasonably well balanced. It does contain some powerful stuff, but for the most part, those powerful components are expensive (in terms of both points and CP), and Knight Armies by nature are CP limited - preventing overuse of the very impactful strats...

...and that reasonable internal balance gets thrown straight out of the window when fed huge amounts of CP by cheap formations like the loyal 32.

I hope, this has been thought through to some degree given the (as an example) CP Chaos can access via say the Red Corsairs rules now...


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/13 10:32:12


Post by: Not Online!!!


StrayIight wrote:
I'm hoping we'll get a level of parity, or a less overtly powerful toolbox than our Imperial cousins have in all honesty. As long as whatever is in the Codex gives us a viable set of tools that allows us to win a game when we have played a little smarter than the other guy, that'd be great. I'd like to think that few of us really want to auto win because our rules are better.

What does worry me, is the potential interaction with Chaos as a whole.

IMO, the Imperial Knight Codex is actually reasonably well balanced. It does contain some powerful stuff, but for the most part, those powerful components are expensive (in terms of both points and CP), and Knight Armies by nature are CP limited - preventing overuse of the very impactful strats...

...and that reasonable internal balance gets thrown straight out of the window when fed huge amounts of CP by cheap formations like the loyal 32.

I hope, this has been thought through to some degree given the (as an example) CP Chaos can access via say the Red Corsairs rules now...


cheapest RC detachment for CP generation value would 38,125 pts / CP.
Cheapest R&H detachment purely for CP would make you pay 21.25 pts / CP for 15 more bodies.

It would get really messy if the stratagems are about as well balanced as in the Codex, ranging from all over the place to Cacophony and VotWL which basically define the list.
If the later is avalable or warlord traits as problematic as certain IK ones or CSM ones (Spitefull) then they certainly will be a balance issue.
IF they are however adding spike tax probably less so.



Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/13 10:42:50


Post by: Brother Castor


StrayIight wrote:
I'm hoping we'll get a level of parity, or a less overtly powerful toolbox than our Imperial cousins have in all honesty. As long as whatever is in the Codex gives us a viable set of tools that allows us to win a game when we have played a little smarter than the other guy, that'd be great. I'd like to think that few of us really want to auto win because our rules are better.

This 100%.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/13 10:55:19


Post by: Ice_can


StrayIight wrote:
I'm hoping we'll get a level of parity, or a less overtly powerful toolbox than our Imperial cousins have in all honesty. As long as whatever is in the Codex gives us a viable set of tools that allows us to win a game when we have played a little smarter than the other guy, that'd be great. I'd like to think that few of us really want to auto win because our rules are better.

What does worry me, is the potential interaction with Chaos as a whole.

IMO, the Imperial Knight Codex is actually reasonably well balanced. It does contain some powerful stuff, but for the most part, those powerful components are expensive (in terms of both points and CP), and Knight Armies by nature are CP limited - preventing overuse of the very impactful strats...

...and that reasonable internal balance gets thrown straight out of the window when fed huge amounts of CP by cheap formations like the loyal 32.

I hope, this has been thought through to some degree given the (as an example) CP Chaos can access via say the Red Corsairs rules now...

Your spot on I would say that both codex's should be well balanced, the issue is once you add soup it's always the big guy that's the target for the nerf brigade.


Renegade knight questions. @ 2019/05/13 11:01:18


Post by: terry


drakerocket wrote:
So long as we get to keep the double avengers everyone has modeled. It'd be nice of our castelans got the same ability. Wouldn't be a problem given the nerfs.


From the community post:
All the Knight patterns from Index: Renegade Knights will still be usable, only now you’ll be able to combine them with Stratagems, Warlord Traits, Relics and, of course, Knight Rampagers and Knight Despoilers.

So not entirely sure, but sounds like it will be possible