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40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 18:59:49


Post by: An Actual Englishman


Source - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btmQ3yPGDCs

Take with appropriate levels of salt.

Basically as the video. Rumour is stated to be from a source that correctly predicted contents and nature of Blackstone Fortress.

I'll summarise for those who hate Youtube -

1. Marine supplements will be spaced roughly 2 months apart.
2. Iron Hands and Raven Guard next supplement releases apparently. [Update - source has claimed that Salamanders and IF will be next instead, order change.]
3. Every chapter will be getting an upgrade sprue.
4. Black Templars vs Orks next box set.
5. Ghazghkull is getting a new model.

May be linked to psychic awakening that references "the beast".

Thoughts?

UPDATE 6/9/19
Update video - https://youtu.be/yiaoTSNF6Ws

Update news -

Release order of supplements has changed as addition to point 2 above, this is interesting because another rumourmonger (Valrak) has allegedly been told by his source that IH and Raven Guard are definitely next and will be up for preorder September 21st.
Black Templar's will be in a separate book from IF and Crimson Fists, presumably released around the same time as the boxed set (if it's to be believed).


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 19:04:47


Post by: GaroRobe


Some people have speculated that one of the recent rumor engines could be one of those relics Grimaldus always has with him. Though, it would be the first boxset that I can think of featuring a new model plus his retinue.

There's also the possibility of a new Helbrecht. And would that deprive the IF of getting their own character, like Lysander? The IF did get an upgrade sprue during that christmas box set.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 19:08:18


Post by: Carnikang


Screams Armageddon. Last box set was set in the system where the campaign at the time was happening. Maybe we will see a new campaign centered around Ghaz coming back to smash Armageddon proper. Could be reason for BT to get a nice wave of 'Assault' Primaris to fit with their feel, and get some Primaris Characters.

I'd be super stoked to find this true. BT get some model love, and Ghaz gets a new model? Great.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 19:09:18


Post by: JSG


The psychic awakening trailer also says "faith will be tested" or something to that effect. I could believe BT and Orks getting a showing and more importantly I want to believe.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 19:10:40


Post by: Segersgia


I'm always excited when Kirioth talks about rumours, since he also speculates himself on the validity of the claims.

It looks within the realm of possibility. Has their been any speculation about Armageddon recently? Might expect that it will be the next battlefront after Vigilus and BT V Orks boxset would fit.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 19:13:20


Post by: Kanluwen


2 months between supplements seems a bit excessive...especially as Raven Guard not being released with the Phobos stuff just screams missed opportunity.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 19:16:18


Post by: Crimson


 An Actual Englishman wrote:

1. Marine supplements will be spaced roughly 2 months apart.

Wait, what? It will take an year to get them all released! I really hope that this is not true. Considering how strong the super doctrines are, it leaves chapters without a supplement in a really awkward place.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 19:20:37


Post by: tneva82


Orks say "high". They spent well over year being kicking dogs in even worse situation than single subfaction of big faction would be spending.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 19:23:42


Post by: An Actual Englishman


If it is BT vs Orks I don't think it'd be Armageddon personally. I get the distinct impression from the codex that Ghazzy is done with that particular warzone for now. Could be wrong but I just don't get that vibe.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 19:24:19


Post by: Ghaz


We should be getting previews from NoVA in just over a week. We'll see if we get any information which can verify these rumors.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 19:24:50


Post by: An Actual Englishman


 Crimson wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:

1. Marine supplements will be spaced roughly 2 months apart.

Wait, what? It will take an year to get them all released! I really hope that this is not true. Considering how strong the super doctrines are, it leaves chapters without a supplement in a really awkward place.

Sorry I forgot to mention they will be released in pairs however. So IH & RG are the next 2.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 19:25:51


Post by: Carnikang


 Crimson wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:

1. Marine supplements will be spaced roughly 2 months apart.

Wait, what? It will take an year to get them all released! I really hope that this is not true. Considering how strong the super doctrines are, it leaves chapters without a supplement in a really awkward place.


If they're releasing them in pairs, than you only have to wait six months to have all the options.
And as a faction, having so much extra to pick from seems worth the wait.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 19:26:28


Post by: Crimson


 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Sorry I forgot to mention they will be released in pairs however. So IH & RG are the next 2.

Oh right! That makes it more tolerable then.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 20:32:55


Post by: phillv85


It sounds more plausible than many rumours. I don’t think they’ll go down the Armageddon route personally, unless they have a Steel Legion release they’ve kept hidden away coming as well. It also makes sense to make a Bobby G sized Ghaz in terms of GW’s current direction towards large army figureheads. As long as the marines in the box are usable painted as other chapters i’d be delighted.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 20:42:58


Post by: NivlacSupreme


Ghaz is also one of the only characters you can size up without having to handwave it as a scale thing.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 20:51:34


Post by: Not Online!!!


So six months of marines.

Atleast ghazzi could get a much needed upgrade now


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 20:57:11


Post by: Sterling191


Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 20:58:51


Post by: Not Online!!!


Sterling191 wrote:
Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.

He now, no wonder the intern did the csm dex 2.0.

Yes i am still salty for not upgraded propper traits.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:05:54


Post by: Sqorgar


This is going to make it even more difficult to get my hands on the Black Templar contrast paint, isn't it? It's never in stock as it is...


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:08:05


Post by: Sterling191


 Sqorgar wrote:
This is going to make it even more difficult to get my hands on the Black Templar contrast paint, isn't it? It's never in stock as it is...


Your best bet is direct from the GW webstore these days.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:09:13


Post by: Crazyterran


Sterling191 wrote:
Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.


Considering there is six total, and two are already released, it would be:

RG/IH

Sons of Dorn/Salamanders

Funny enough, Armageddon had big showings from Black Templar and Salamanders, though I'd lol pretty hard if they Primaris the Ork line with bigger, more psychic-y Orks.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:11:18


Post by: Eldarain


Not Online!!! wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.

He now, no wonder the intern did the csm dex 2.0.

Yes i am still salty for not upgraded propper traits.

Nothing has been as frustrating/hilarious as the Facebook preview posts about the Word Bearers. The dumpster fire burns eternal.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:11:21


Post by: Sterling191


 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.


Considering there is six total, and two are already released, it would be:

RG/IH

Sons of Dorn/Salamanders

Funny enough, Armageddon had big showings from Black Templar and Salamanders, though I'd lol pretty hard if they Primaris the Ork line with bigger, more psychic-y Orks.


You’ve left out three more pairs.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:12:38


Post by: Crazyterran


Sterling191 wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.


Considering there is six total, and two are already released, it would be:

RG/IH

Sons of Dorn/Salamanders

Funny enough, Armageddon had big showings from Black Templar and Salamanders, though I'd lol pretty hard if they Primaris the Ork line with bigger, more psychic-y Orks.


You’ve left out three more pairs.


Six total books, so no, I haven't missed anything... we already have UM and WS.

That'll also cover everything in the Codex, as sons of Dorn is three of the 8 chapters in there.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:13:38


Post by: Sterling191


 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.


Considering there is six total, and two are already released, it would be:

RG/IH

Sons of Dorn/Salamanders

Funny enough, Armageddon had big showings from Black Templar and Salamanders, though I'd lol pretty hard if they Primaris the Ork line with bigger, more psychic-y Orks.


You’ve left out three more pairs.


Six total books, so no, I haven't missed anything... we already have UM and WS.


Removed. I wasn’t talking about only compliant chapters.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:13:59


Post by: Oguhmek


Yeah sounds like a great idea. Would love it to be true, but I’m not holding my breath. Although, if Armageddon is the next big warzone it would be nice to see both Black Templars vs Orks and Sisters of Battle vs Khorne. Then there is the possibility of Steel Legion being the replacement AM now that Cadians probably are on their way out.

Would be terribly expensive for me because I like all the above and would like to collect them all.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:14:46


Post by: Crazyterran


Sterling191 wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.


Considering there is six total, and two are already released, it would be:

RG/IH

Sons of Dorn/Salamanders

Funny enough, Armageddon had big showings from Black Templar and Salamanders, though I'd lol pretty hard if they Primaris the Ork line with bigger, more psychic-y Orks.


You’ve left out three more pairs.


Six total books, so no, I haven't missed anything... we already have UM and WS.



Removed. I wasn’t talking about only compliant chapters.


They won't be supplements, they'll be their own Codex, so no, I didn't miss anything.

Seeing as the preview for White Dwarf for next month is Dark Angels, they could just slap the chapter tactic update in a Index Astartes: Dark Angels White Dwarf article.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:16:10


Post by: Sterling191


 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.


Considering there is six total, and two are already released, it would be:

RG/IH

Sons of Dorn/Salamanders

Funny enough, Armageddon had big showings from Black Templar and Salamanders, though I'd lol pretty hard if they Primaris the Ork line with bigger, more psychic-y Orks.


You’ve left out three more pairs.


Six total books, so no, I haven't missed anything... we already have UM and WS.



Use your brain. I wasn’t talking about only compliant chapters.


They won't be supplements, they'll be their own Codex, so no, I didn't miss anything.

Seeing as the preview for White Dwarf for next month is Dark Angels, they could just slap the chapter tactic update in a Index Astartes: Dark Angels White Dwarf article.


Sure, if they wanted to leave half the marine armies functionally neutered. Also the inherent hilarity of suggesting a WD article will close the gap is amusingly insulting.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:18:21


Post by: Orkimedez_Atalaya


I will follow this thread with extreme interest.

Hoping for the greenest of the outcomes.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:19:14


Post by: Crazyterran


Well, good, the snowflake chapters could use some time beneath the Codex Marines. Will be good to melt them a bit.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:20:07


Post by: Sterling191


 Crazyterran wrote:
Well, good, the snowflake chapters could use some time beneath the Codex Marines. Will be good to melt them a bit.


Such a positive attitude. You must be fun at parties.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:23:26


Post by: BrianDavion


 Crazyterran wrote:
Well, good, the snowflake chapters could use some time beneath the Codex Marines. Will be good to melt them a bit.


besides space wolves waited what a year and a half after the last marine codex came out? so clearly GW doesn't seem inclined to rush snow flake chapter codices out shortly after the general marine codex


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:32:18


Post by: GoatboyBeta


Fingers crossed that this rumor pans out. The old Armageddon codex was my reintroduction to 40k after a long absence. So I've got a lot of affection for that particular warzone.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:39:39


Post by: BrianDavion


given the khornite presence on armageddon as well could a armageddon warzone potentially in addition to black templars vs rks maybe give GW a chance to revisit Grey Knights and... world eaters?


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 21:53:51


Post by: Dysartes


Of the five points, 3 is probably completely true, given the IF sprue is already done, just leaving IH, Sallies and RG to have sprues sculpted.

2 is a bit of a coin flip - I don't see a thematic tie between IH & RG, other than "Chapters which haven't had much before", but then I don't see much in the way of thematic ties between Ultras and WS either.

1 seems less likely, if only because 2 months sounds a huge delay. I'd've thought maybe monthly, if only because every-other-week has already been ruled out by Sunday's WHC article.

4 & 5 I'd say are low likelihood, though if 4 comes true 5 is probably more likely.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 22:03:08


Post by: An Actual Englishman


Just to be clear guys and gals, there's no reference to Armageddon in this rumour, that is pure speculation. The rumour only suggests a BT vs Orks box.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 22:04:42


Post by: Crazyterran


We've already seen a bit of the IH sprue too, some aggressors in the preview pictures they've shown have sculpted IH shoulderpads.

Sterling191 wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
Well, good, the snowflake chapters could use some time beneath the Codex Marines. Will be good to melt them a bit.


Such a positive attitude. You must be fun at parties.


You are the one that started being insulting, I just threw my hands up and said 'whatever'. Codex Marines are the only ones that matter for Supplements, the rest of the chapters can come who knows when.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 22:29:31


Post by: Binabik15


Anything Orks, possibly more assault-y Marines...sure, I'll allow it.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 22:29:48


Post by: Kanluwen


 Dysartes wrote:
Of the five points, 3 is probably completely true, given the IF sprue is already done, just leaving IH, Sallies and RG to have sprues sculpted.

The IF sprue needed to be redone. Apparently the Power Fist had the icon flipped.

We've seen some of the Iron Hands stuff in the codex. There's a few heads and Aggressor pads that aren't currently available.

2 is a bit of a coin flip - I don't see a thematic tie between IH & RG, other than "Chapters which haven't had much before", but then I don't see much in the way of thematic ties between Ultras and WS either.

There's a thematic tie in the form of Isstvan and both Chapters having issues replenishing their ranks afterwards.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 22:44:27


Post by: BrianDavion


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Just to be clear guys and gals, there's no reference to Armageddon in this rumour, that is pure speculation. The rumour only suggests a BT vs Orks box.


it'll tie to armageddon even if if it's "the black tempalrs catch ghazakul on planet Y.. VENGENCE FOR ARMAGEDDON!"



as for thematic ties I don't think GW is planning on thmatic ties between chapters, white scars and ultramarines have little in common if they where going for a themetic tie they'd have gone

Ultramarines/Imperial Fists (the reknowned)
Salamanders/Ironhands (the craftsmen)
Ravenguard/White Scars (the strike specialists)


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 22:44:42


Post by: An Actual Englishman


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
2 is a bit of a coin flip - I don't see a thematic tie between IH & RG, other than "Chapters which haven't had much before", but then I don't see much in the way of thematic ties between Ultras and WS either.

There's a thematic tie in the form of Isstvan and both Chapters having issues replenishing their ranks afterwards.

There doesn't need to be a particular "tie in" does there?

GW are just releasing Chapter splatbooks in an order that makes sense to them and only them. I think we're reaching if we're trying to claim there's a particular tie between UM and WS. Same with any of the proceeding books.
BrianDavion wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Just to be clear guys and gals, there's no reference to Armageddon in this rumour, that is pure speculation. The rumour only suggests a BT vs Orks box.


it'll tie to armageddon even if if it's "the black tempalrs catch ghazakul on planet Y.. VENGENCE FOR ARMAGEDDON!"

There's no suggestion that Ghazzy will be in the BT vs Orks box either.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 22:59:03


Post by: Midnightdeathblade


Imagine an Armageddon Warzone series:

-Blood angels have a strong history with the planet, great timing for a new Dante

-Black Templars were also involved heavily, new Grimaldus, Helbrect.

Spoiler:
-Salamanders have dumped their entire chapter into the planet 2-3 times now, most recently stopping Angron from being summoned (which means Angron would be great to show up here). Further than this concerning Salamanders, this is the last planet Vulkan was ever sighted on. Ghazzy obviously should get a new model and maybe tap into that Beast Waaagh energy and get swole. Remember, Armageddon is Ullanor, basically the Ork homeworld. You could have two Primarchs return, and very strong fluff connections for multiple factions in need of character updates and love. Lets not forget that Vulkan and Angron have some unsettled beef, they almost dueled during the dropsite massacre but were separated by artillery fire.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 23:29:25


Post by: casvalremdeikun


Imperial Fists and their Successors have a HUGE history with Armageddon*. Given that the Black Templars have a nasty history with Ghaz and the Crimson Fists are the Ork-murder experts, I could definitely see the Imperial Fists supplement coming out around this time. And Salamanders coming out at this time would make perfect sense too, given that Vulkan was present on Armageddon last. It would also help make sense of the possible character models that could come out. The BT characters all want Ghaz's head. Pedro Kantor is one of the leading experts on taking down Orks. And Vulkan He'stan would want to be there to look for more Primarch gifts.


Spoiler:
Considering the Imperial Fists were wiped out to a man on the planet back when it was Ullanor.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 23:32:36


Post by: An Actual Englishman


The spoiler isn't technically correct but is very, very close.

Spoiler:
They were wiped out to a man on one of the many attack moons the Orks used.


I hope it's true for obvious reasons but I'm not going to hold my breath, we've had rumours of Ghazzy before.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/20 23:35:26


Post by: casvalremdeikun


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The spoiler isn't technically correct but is very, very close.

Spoiler:
They were wiped out to a man on one of the many attack moons the Orks used.


I hope it's true for obvious reasons but I'm not going to hold my breath, we've had rumours of Ghazzy before.
True, but you could say they have major unfinished business with Armageddon.

Agreed on Ghaz rumors. He is the Plastic Thunderhawk of the Orks.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/21 00:44:13


Post by: Lockark


I feel like I have a bias towords not beliveing youtubers, since they make money off click baite TBH. Sounds like it would be cool if it happens tho.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/21 01:15:13


Post by: Irbis


 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Imagine an Armageddon Warzone series:

-Blood angels have a strong history with the planet, great timing for a new Dante

Wrong side of rift, plus he had so many duties dumped on him I doubt he would have time even if not eye of terror 2.0...


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/21 01:20:22


Post by: Sabotage!


I would absolutely love for an Armageddon boxed set with BT and Orks to come out. Maybe we could get a new ork unit and maybe some Primaris with swords and hand flamers or something. I've always liked both factions, and it would be a good excuse for me to build two small themed 40k forces around a concept I actually enjoy.

It would also be a good excuse to finally replace the ancient Cadians with new plastic Steel Legion models. It would be pretty easy to just release a Squad Box, a Command Box, and a Heavy Weapon box and you'd be set. Toss a couple vehicle crew in the various kit and you have a whole new IG range. More likely though it would just mean a "Made to Order" for the out of print Steel Legion stuff.

I have a feeling GW will never make new models for IG/ Astra Militarum what not. At least not when more marines can be made.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/21 01:29:33


Post by: Racerguy180


Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:I will follow this thread with extreme interest.

Hoping for the greenest of the outcomes.

New Salamanders, hell yeah!








o and i guess orks too


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/21 01:39:29


Post by: Crimson


Racerguy180 wrote:

New Salamanders, hell yeah!


o and i guess orks too

They're both green. Basically the same thing.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/08/21 01:45:22


Post by: BrianDavion


Salamander Orks!
Spoiler:




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Post by: Racerguy180


now I wonder what the other way around would look like?


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


Holy giant picture. Spoiler that gak!


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Post by: Kanluwen


 Sabotage! wrote:
I would absolutely love for an Armageddon boxed set with BT and Orks to come out. Maybe we could get a new ork unit and maybe some Primaris with swords and hand flamers or something. I've always liked both factions, and it would be a good excuse for me to build two small themed 40k forces around a concept I actually enjoy.

It would also be a good excuse to finally replace the ancient Cadians with new plastic Steel Legion models. It would be pretty easy to just release a Squad Box, a Command Box, and a Heavy Weapon box and you'd be set. Toss a couple vehicle crew in the various kit and you have a whole new IG range. More likely though it would just mean a "Made to Order" for the out of print Steel Legion stuff.

I have a feeling GW will never make new models for IG/ Astra Militarum what not. At least not when more marines can be made.

If they make new models for Guard, it's going to be an updated version of Cadians with some new customizing parts.


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Post by: The Warp Forge


I'd like to see an Ork/BT Box. I'd love to see Close Combat-focused Primaris Crusader Squads along with Helbrect and Grimaldus.

New Ghazzy would be sweet too!




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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
If it is BT vs Orks I don't think it'd be Armageddon personally. I get the distinct impression from the codex that Ghazzy is done with that particular warzone for now. Could be wrong but I just don't get that vibe.


IIRC from lore in 7th ed. Ghazzy went to Octarius, defeated the 'Nids and started building the biggest Teleportas to go back to Armageddon and fight again, so I think he has plenty chance to come back, especially if their hinting at a WE book with Angron........


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Post by: Carnikang


 The Warp Forge wrote:

IIRC from lore in 7th ed. Ghazzy went to Octarius, defeated the 'Nids and started building the biggest Teleportas to go back to Armageddon and fight again, so I think he has plenty chance to come back, especially if their hinting at a WE book with Angron........


Last I heard the war was ongoing....since Khorne took an interest and has a bunch of worshippers slamming around.


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Post by: bullyboy


I'm not sure about the connection to psychic awakening. I just watched the video and have my own interpretation...

The first 4 sentences...

"War calls" First thing I think of here is Khorne. Who else is going to heed the call to war more than Khorne followers? So I'm thinking World Eaters and possibly Angron (but not sure on the primarch)
"Faith is tested". This has to be SOB, more so than BTs IMHO. There were earlier rumours about a WE vs SOB boxset, this could be very true.
"The beast roars". Sure, this could be Ghazkull, don't doubt that. It could also be Marbas, Fallen Daemon Prince who is said to have a Lion's head (hence the roar part). Again, there were rumours with a possible DA vs Fallen boxset or something involving the DAs anyway, plus we have something stirring in WD next month.
"Ancient darkness rises" Necrons for sure, and I believe that there were rumours that they would feature heavily in the next campaign.

So, psychic awakening.....the Lion is asleep, if the Fallen are coming back in a big way, Maybe it is time for him to return. (not a sold on this as the above however).

This is what I feel is coming with the psychic awakening and the next campaign. Just musings, no real news of course.


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Post by: Dysartes


 Carnikang wrote:
 The Warp Forge wrote:

IIRC from lore in 7th ed. Ghazzy went to Octarius, defeated the 'Nids and started building the biggest Teleportas to go back to Armageddon and fight again, so I think he has plenty chance to come back, especially if their hinting at a WE book with Angron........


Last I heard the war was ongoing....since Khorne took an interest and has a bunch of worshippers slamming around.

Not sure what references there are in the Ork or Tyranid books, but in Codex: Deathwatch it says...
Spoiler:
Time Runs Out...
Vermillion-level alerts reach the Doombreak, Eye of Octos and Furor Shield watch fortresses as the unthinkable happens. Triggered by empyric shock waves from the opening of the Great Rift, swarms of enormous Tyranids and hordes of hulking Skarboyz break away from the Octarian war to attack neighbouring systems. The Watch Masters of all three fortresses request urgent reinforcement from the wider Imperium, before surging into battle.



Personally, on the Ork threat side of things, I'm in favour of the 2nd ed solution - break out the Virus Outbreak Strategy Card!


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Post by: H.B.M.C.


Just on a slight tangent - Is the Vigilus stuff over? I always thought it would be three books, but maybe I misinterpreted that.


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Post by: Sabotage!


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Sabotage! wrote:
I would absolutely love for an Armageddon boxed set with BT and Orks to come out. Maybe we could get a new ork unit and maybe some Primaris with swords and hand flamers or something. I've always liked both factions, and it would be a good excuse for me to build two small themed 40k forces around a concept I actually enjoy.

It would also be a good excuse to finally replace the ancient Cadians with new plastic Steel Legion models. It would be pretty easy to just release a Squad Box, a Command Box, and a Heavy Weapon box and you'd be set. Toss a couple vehicle crew in the various kit and you have a whole new IG range. More likely though it would just mean a "Made to Order" for the out of print Steel Legion stuff.

I have a feeling GW will never make new models for IG/ Astra Militarum what not. At least not when more marines can be made.

If they make new models for Guard, it's going to be an updated version of Cadians with some new customizing parts.


You seem pretty certain of that, though I doubt it. Cadia is no longer a planet after all, and there are only so many Cadian regiments left out there. Maybe something similar to Cadians, but making new Cadians wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. But again, we are talking about GW making new Guard, so we are already grasping at straws.

I can see it now, still using the awful Cadian models in 2030.....with Megaris Space Marines the size of dreadnoughts (and I do like Primaris, so it's not a knock against them).


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Post by: BrianDavion


apparently following the destruction of Cadian many Cadian regiments settled onto new worlds and basicly taught them how to be Cadians, so chances are there's several worlds now producing regiments that identify as Cadian


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


BrianDavion wrote:
apparently following the destruction of Cadian many Cadian regiments settled onto new worlds and basicly taught them how to be Cadians, so chances are there's several worlds now producing regiments that identify as Cadian
Pretty much the fluff justification for why they are the only Regiment GW produces anymore. It works though, I guess.


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Post by: Elbows


GW actually won't re-do Cadians if they're smart. They've bought fully into the "re-do it completely and it'll sell" process by now. They won't risk people "not" buying stuff because it's just a rehash of an older model (particularly an existing plastic kit).

GW is all aboard the "buy a new army instead" train, so I have strong faith that new Guard models would be non-Cadian (or at the very least two lines - one being non-Cadian).


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Post by: Dysartes


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
apparently following the destruction of Cadian many Cadian regiments settled onto new worlds and basicly taught them how to be Cadians, so chances are there's several worlds now producing regiments that identify as Cadian
Pretty much the fluff justification for why they are the only Regiment GW produces anymore. It works though, I guess.

"...the only Regiment GW produces anymore." if we ignore the existence of the Catachans, anyway...


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Post by: Elbows


Given their gak models...I think it's best we do ignore Catachans for our health.


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Post by: BrianDavion


so given GW's tendancy to borrow regimental types from history, I'm gonna call it here, the next guard regiment'll be a Highlander regiment complete with kilt


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Post by: An Actual Englishman



 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The spoiler isn't technically correct but is very, very close.

Spoiler:
They were wiped out to a man on one of the many attack moons the Orks used.


I hope it's true for obvious reasons but I'm not going to hold my breath, we've had rumours of Ghazzy before.
True, but you could say they have major unfinished business with Armageddon.

Agreed on Ghaz rumors. He is the Plastic Thunderhawk of the Orks.


I might be wrong on the spoiler now I think on it. It may have been a planet who's gravity was warped due to the arrival of the attack moon. Its been a while since I read the Beast Arises.

Lol Ghazzy is absolutely our plastic Thunderhawk - brilliant.


 bullyboy wrote:
I'm not sure about the connection to psychic awakening. I just watched the video and have my own interpretation...

The first 4 sentences...

"War calls" - who like going to war more than any other? Orks!
"Faith is tested" - BTs love their faith!
"The beast roars". Sure, this is Ghazkull, don't doubt that. It could also be 'Marbas' (who?).
"Ancient darkness rises" - could be any bad really, daemons or Nids jump out to me. Orks are an 'ancient' threat mind.


Fixed that for you bud

I think the psychic awakening is suitably vague so that it could relate to many factions. I've never heard of Marbas, that seems unlikely to me however.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just on a slight tangent - Is the Vigilus stuff over? I always thought it would be three books, but maybe I misinterpreted that.

Yea Vigilus is done. Onto new warzones now.


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Post by: BrianDavion


That said I don't think the next warzone'll be Armageddon, I've a hunch it'll be something entirely new


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Post by: Danny76


Yeah new I’d say.
Didn’t they say that all factions are in the new campaign, in the WarCom reveal for stuff?

A few other points from before;

New Guard plastics, maybe at some point. Customisable Kan?
I’d say highly unposable due to strange shaped parts that go together one way, that’s the thing these days
If they did more, bear in mind everyone saying it can’t be Cadians, that is the most common pattern of armour - they wouldn’t necessarily actually be ’Cadians’
But I agree it would be a great time to run at least a second Guard type alongside (Greatcoats please), but I don’t think they get rid of the one type as it’s the best generic armour.
If it was “insert guard regiment” that was the only kit then it’d be overkill model wise for them, and would that fit the fluff?

Definitely won’t be a DA vs Fallen box. We already had Dark Vengeance, and to make another box so similar - DA and a Chaos Marine faction..


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Post by: Duskweaver


 bullyboy wrote:
"War calls" First thing I think of here is Khorne.

"War calls" is a Khaine/Eldar thing. It's the final phrase of the ritual chant to awaken an Avatar.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Duskweaver wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
"War calls" First thing I think of here is Khorne.

"War calls" is a Khaine/Eldar thing. It's the final phrase of the ritual chant to awaken an Avatar.
Well, now that leads me to believe the Eldar rumors from before. Perhaps we will get Aspects of Ynnead like we have Aspects of Khaine?

Or maybe we will be getting a new Avatar of Khaine? GW had been remaking all the Greater Daemons. An Avatar of Khaine would be a nice next step.


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


 casvalremdeikun wrote:


Or maybe we will be getting a new Avatar of Khaine? GW had been remaking all the Greater Daemons. An Avatar of Khaine would be a nice next step.

And my god does it need the update. I know there's a FW model but it's not the same.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:


Or maybe we will be getting a new Avatar of Khaine? GW had been remaking all the Greater Daemons. An Avatar of Khaine would be a nice next step.

And my god does it need the update. I know there's a FW model but it's not the same.
Isn't there a way that a gathering of the Phoenix Lords can summon an Avatar of Khaine? Like "psychic awakening" type summon?

I am leaning toward Psychic Awakening being new Eldar. New Avatar of Khaine. New Phoenix Lords. New Aspect Warriors.


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Post by: TwilightSparkles


Sisters of Battle featured in Armageddon conflicts a lot so I'd rate this quite likely - used like Vigilus to release a bunch from f stuff themed to the conflict.


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Post by: robbienw


 Dysartes wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
apparently following the destruction of Cadian many Cadian regiments settled onto new worlds and basicly taught them how to be Cadians, so chances are there's several worlds now producing regiments that identify as Cadian
Pretty much the fluff justification for why they are the only Regiment GW produces anymore. It works though, I guess.

"...the only Regiment GW produces anymore." if we ignore the existence of the Catachans, anyway...


On the subject of the plastic Catachans, it is actually now 20 years since the plastic infantry squad was released


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Post by: BrianDavion


robbienw wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
apparently following the destruction of Cadian many Cadian regiments settled onto new worlds and basicly taught them how to be Cadians, so chances are there's several worlds now producing regiments that identify as Cadian
Pretty much the fluff justification for why they are the only Regiment GW produces anymore. It works though, I guess.

"...the only Regiment GW produces anymore." if we ignore the existence of the Catachans, anyway...


On the subject of the plastic Catachans, it is actually now 20 years since the plastic infantry squad was released


bah, ther youngins, can't even drink yet in the US


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Post by: Tyranid Horde


I'd be very happy with Black Templars seeing some love for a change.


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Post by: Ratius


I still think the "current" Ghaz model is excellent.
Upgrade him by 30% size or so and leave it at that.
I hope they dont go OTT with him.


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Post by: Tyranid Horde


 Ratius wrote:
I still think the "current" Ghaz model is excellent.
Upgrade him by 30% size or so and leave it at that.
I hope they dont go OTT with him.


Cue crushed Primaris Lieutenant in his power klaw and the same stance they used for Abby and Guilly...


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Post by: BrianDavion


 Tyranid Horde wrote:
 Ratius wrote:
I still think the "current" Ghaz model is excellent.
Upgrade him by 30% size or so and leave it at that.
I hope they dont go OTT with him.


Cue crushed Primaris Lieutenant in his power klaw and the same stance they used for Abby and Guilly...


Ya know... I'd be pretty cool with that idea if they almost designed the new 40k "big leader" minis to work in diarahma with each other.


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Post by: silverstu


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:


Or maybe we will be getting a new Avatar of Khaine? GW had been remaking all the Greater Daemons. An Avatar of Khaine would be a nice next step.

And my god does it need the update. I know there's a FW model but it's not the same.
Isn't there a way that a gathering of the Phoenix Lords can summon an Avatar of Khaine? Like "psychic awakening" type summon?

I am leaning toward Psychic Awakening being new Eldar. New Avatar of Khaine. New Phoenix Lords. New Aspect Warriors.


Isn't The Psychic Awakening thing basically endless spells for 40k? Eldar are already psychically awakened so I don't think that's the connection. I'd love a new Avatar model -the War Calls thing hints at that [if they did say that the next war zone has releases for al/most factions]. Might extend to Phoenix Lords and/or Aspects -there are those rumour engines with shattered Eldar ruins .. I had thought they might be exodites but I won't hold my breath.

Sounds good for Orks, otherwise the Imperium/chaos onslaught continues..


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Post by: BrianDavion


It won';t be Eldar, this is some sort of event that will impact EVERY faction. and the eldar getting some treats isn't that. (now the eldar might get some goodies as a part of this event but..)

I still belvie it'll be 40k endless spells. I'll just put this link here https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Great_Awakening


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Post by: Geifer


Yeah, endless spells is a popular guess given the name, but realistically we don't have a clue what Psychic Awakening is going to be. And if GW follows the same advertising strategy as with Forbidden Power, we'll know even less after the second teaser.

Templars versus Orks doesn't sound bad. I just hope there's no truth to the rumor of two months between Marine supplements. That's just dragging the Marine release out for no reason. Sure, sure, give wallets a break and all that, but who's going to realistically buy all supplements? Most people likely only need one.


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Post by: BrianDavion


it's why I linked what I did. we know that in the past there's been waves where suddenly latent pyskers have manifested etc. and they've been called awakenings. I suspect thus that we're going to see the fluff refering to psykers popping up in greater numbers more powerful then before.


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Post by: silverstu


BrianDavion wrote:
It won';t be Eldar, this is some sort of event that will impact EVERY faction. and the eldar getting some treats isn't that. (now the eldar might get some goodies as a part of this event but..)

I still belvie it'll be 40k endless spells. I'll just put this link here https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Great_Awakening


Yeah it looks like it will be endless spells, maybe faction specific ones at best? I think when they revisit eldar it will be a bigger deal in itself.

I wonder if Ghazghkull will bring any new mates with him.. maybe larger Orks from the Octavius war?


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Post by: Fayric


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:


Or maybe we will be getting a new Avatar of Khaine? GW had been remaking all the Greater Daemons. An Avatar of Khaine would be a nice next step.

And my god does it need the update. I know there's a FW model but it's not the same.


Suppose the psychic awakening follow the style of AoS endless spells, they could make a new Khaine avatar as an "endless spell"


About Armageddon: I know it dont really say anything, but there is not a single Steel Legion model shown in the AM codex, they pay more attention to some converted "Armageddon ork hunters" that dont even fit with available gear.


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Post by: Dysartes


 Elbows wrote:
Given their gak models...I think it's best we do ignore Catachans for our health.

Just because they're not great sculpts - even if the basic infantry kit is nearly old enough to drink in the US - doesn't mean that we can ignore the fact that they are still on sale.

The Command Squad set looks fairly decent, even.


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Post by: Kanluwen


 Dysartes wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
Given their gak models...I think it's best we do ignore Catachans for our health.

Just because they're not great sculpts - even if the basic infantry kit is nearly old enough to drink in the US - doesn't mean that we can ignore the fact that they are still on sale.

The Command Squad set looks fairly decent, even.

The Command and Heavy Weapon Squads both are fantastic, and Straken and Harker look great too. Marbo was a dud(conceptually and modelwise).


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 Fayric wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:


Or maybe we will be getting a new Avatar of Khaine? GW had been remaking all the Greater Daemons. An Avatar of Khaine would be a nice next step.

And my god does it need the update. I know there's a FW model but it's not the same.


Suppose the psychic awakening follow the style of AoS endless spells, they could make a new Khaine avatar as an "endless spell"

Nah, the Avatar wouldn't be an Endless Spell.

About Armageddon: I know it dont really say anything, but there is not a single Steel Legion model shown in the AM codex, they pay more attention to some converted "Armageddon ork hunters" that dont even fit with available gear.

The Ork Hunters have always been weird though. The fluff and the concept art has always been that 'feral' almost Ork look.


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


 Tyranid Horde wrote:
 Ratius wrote:
I still think the "current" Ghaz model is excellent.
Upgrade him by 30% size or so and leave it at that.
I hope they dont go OTT with him.


Cue crushed Primaris Lieutenant in his power klaw and the same stance they used for Abby and Guilly...

Sounds perfect.

If there's a model they absolutely should go OTT with, Ghazzy is it.


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Post by: Sabotage!


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
apparently following the destruction of Cadian many Cadian regiments settled onto new worlds and basicly taught them how to be Cadians, so chances are there's several worlds now producing regiments that identify as Cadian
Pretty much the fluff justification for why they are the only Regiment GW produces anymore. It works though, I guess.


I don't think that really works as a justification. A regiment trained by Cadians wouldn't identify as Cadian any more than the Afghan Government forces of modern day or the Contras of the 80s identify as U.S. soldiers. GW is just being lazy and not producing a new Guard regiments (not sure if they don't sell well or what).


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Post by: Mandragola


This wait for an unknown amount of time for the remaining ~20% of my Crimson Fists' rules is massively frustrating. I've decided to skip this release and not buy anything till I get the rest of my army list and I can actually see what's good.


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Post by: Dudeface


Just to nitpick, if this relates to "psychic awakening" then surely having both World Eaters and Black Templars involved is a really ass about face thing to do? 2 factions with no psykers? Same for the sisters?


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Post by: Kanluwen


 Sabotage! wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
apparently following the destruction of Cadian many Cadian regiments settled onto new worlds and basicly taught them how to be Cadians, so chances are there's several worlds now producing regiments that identify as Cadian
Pretty much the fluff justification for why they are the only Regiment GW produces anymore. It works though, I guess.


I don't think that really works as a justification. A regiment trained by Cadians wouldn't identify as Cadian any more than the Afghan Government forces of modern day or the Contras of the 80s identify as U.S. soldiers. GW is just being lazy and not producing a new Guard regiments (not sure if they don't sell well or what).

It's been established since The Eye of Terror campaign that the worlds settled by Cadians(of which there are a lot) still retain the Cadian 'identities'.


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Dudeface wrote:
Just to nitpick, if this relates to "psychic awakening" then surely having both World Eaters and Black Templars involved is a really ass about face thing to do? 2 factions with no psykers? Same for the sisters?

Khorne dominates spellcasters in AoS, so that's not exactly unprecedented.

If I had to guess:
If this is indeed an "Endless Spells" styled thing, there will be an equivalent for Priests or units of a similar nature.


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Post by: Sterling191


 Sabotage! wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
apparently following the destruction of Cadian many Cadian regiments settled onto new worlds and basicly taught them how to be Cadians, so chances are there's several worlds now producing regiments that identify as Cadian
Pretty much the fluff justification for why they are the only Regiment GW produces anymore. It works though, I guess.


I don't think that really works as a justification. A regiment trained by Cadians wouldn't identify as Cadian any more than the Afghan Government forces of modern day or the Contras of the 80s identify as U.S. soldiers. GW is just being lazy and not producing a new Guard regiments (not sure if they don't sell well or what).


You overestimate the population of a lot of Segmentum Obscurus worlds, and underestimate the population of the Cadian diaspora. In plenty of instances Cadians would be the dominant cultural demographic of the worlds they ended up on. They wouldn’t be training a population of Cadian wannabes, they’d be training de facto Cadians.


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Post by: Kdash


I’ll personally be surprised if the next box set is BT vs Orks. Not because it is “unlikely”, but, simply because in May I got a message implying something else is the next planned box.

Essentially, the “nod” back then, was that the next major faction v faction box to be released this year would be Sisters vs Chaos, with the Chaos side being Alpha Legion in focus and including a new Cultists sprue/kit.

Now, we know that the Cultists are getting more sculpts in Blackstone Fortress – so, maybe this is linked, or maybe it’s just a mix up on what is in the box vs the SOB.

In regard to the timing of the supplements, who knows at this point – though I’d hope that they would be coming a bit quicker than over the next 4 months. On the subject of the Raven Guard though, one of the characters said to be converting to Primaris back then, was Shrike.

In addition to all this stuff, I was also told about everything being in one big Space Marine book with lots of “mini-dex’s” alongside them. This kinda implied that BA/SW/DA/DW would be able to just tie in and use the main codex, but, whilst all the units have been made available to them, the codex appears not to be. I also took the “mini-dexs” to mean more White Dwarf style releases, rather than supplements (which is far far far better imo).
Finally, the convo ended with talk of a new named character for the Iron Hands (at this point we can presume it’s the Iron Father model they previewed) and “something big and unexpected” coming in the near future. I’m guessing this ties into the whole Psychic Awakening thing, though how it is going to play out, or what will be involved, I have no idea.

Still, who knows what is going to happen over the next few months.


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Post by: Kanluwen


I'd be interested in knowing what if any details you have with regards to Shrike.


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Post by: Kdash


 Kanluwen wrote:
I'd be interested in knowing what if any details you have with regards to Shrike.


Right now, none other than he is getting the Primaris treatment. So, I’d expect at least +1 W and A. The first full on combat Primaris unit imo. It'd make him 8 attacks on the charge with relic lightening claws.
Also, pure speculation, but, the idea that has some potential, is that it opens the gateway for more JP Primaris models.


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Post by: Kanluwen


See, it's funny because the new Codex talks about him with Phobos gear and the Eliminator's Bolt Sniper Rifle is a "Shrike" pattern.


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Post by: bullyboy


It may of course be Endless Spells but I don't think it's going to be such a one shop deal since we know a campaign is coming this fall, so I would expect it to tie into a campaign. There is nothing stopping it being endless spells plus new minis/books around that specific event.

As to the Avatar, I don't think that will be it since if the switch is going to be Ynnead, that's a completely different God.

C'mon NOVA, give us some good intel!


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Post by: Kdash


 Kanluwen wrote:
See, it's funny because the new Codex talks about him with Phobos gear and the Eliminator's Bolt Sniper Rifle is a "Shrike" pattern.


Phobos would make sense i guess, or a variation of it, however, i'd be incredibly disappointed if he lost the mobility in favour of grav chutes.


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Post by: Eldarsif


I am kinda curious how 40k "Endless Spells" might end up being like. Fantasy has in my mind a much easier time doing such spells due to the innate fantasy of the setting. Therefore it is not weird to have a stampede of undead horses or a powered nuclear mushroom or a bleeding chalice of bones. The Endless Spells in AoS were also a way(at least with predatory spells) to affect the Double Turn. 40k spells of AoS diversity would be weird(except maybe for Orks) and currently there is no need to affect any double turns as there are none in 40k.


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Post by: Fayric


 bullyboy wrote:


As to the Avatar, I don't think that will be it since if the switch is going to be Ynnead, that's a completely different God.

C'mon NOVA, give us some good intel!


That might be a change of direction: GW has been going hard for nostalgia concepts for a couple of years now with harlies, genestealer cults, not to mention necromunda, bloodbowl etc, and now gearing up for crescendo in a Sisters remake. With BSF we have seen even more stuff like ambull, rogue traders and even some almost comical sci fi beastmen.
Perhaps they start to turn away from that before they get to the Avatar and his aspects. The Marines have a radical high tech non-brutal re-imagining after all.


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Post by: fraser1191


Crazy. I was thinking to myself last week that if they do a If supplement and redo characters for If, CF, and Templars it'd be a sizable release. Now it's kinda coming together since last year's battle box was IF


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Post by: Kanluwen


Kdash wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
See, it's funny because the new Codex talks about him with Phobos gear and the Eliminator's Bolt Sniper Rifle is a "Shrike" pattern.


Phobos would make sense i guess, or a variation of it, however, i'd be incredibly disappointed if he lost the mobility in favour of grav chutes.

Have you seen the rules for the Instigator Bolt Carbine? It goes on Eliminator Sergeants--when firing Overwatch, they resolve it and then the unit moves.

I'm wondering if "Blackout"(a named Bolter mentioned in the SM codex) will be Shrike's new tool of the trade and have similar rules where after firing, he'd get to make a Move.
Mobility doesn't need to be just "He can move far!".


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Post by: Voss


 Eldarsif wrote:
I am kinda curious how 40k "Endless Spells" might end up being like. Fantasy has in my mind a much easier time doing such spells due to the innate fantasy of the setting. Therefore it is not weird to have a stampede of undead horses or a powered nuclear mushroom or a bleeding chalice of bones. The Endless Spells in AoS were also a way(at least with predatory spells) to affect the Double Turn. 40k spells of AoS diversity would be weird(except maybe for Orks) and currently there is no need to affect any double turns as there are none in 40k.


They'll probably just bring back the classics- vortex, various storms, hellfire, etc.
I'm still holding out hope that it will be a new psychic army rather than pointless table clutter, but I'm not holding my breath.


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Post by: bsharitt


 Eldarsif wrote:
I am kinda curious how 40k "Endless Spells" might end up being like. Fantasy has in my mind a much easier time doing such spells due to the innate fantasy of the setting. Therefore it is not weird to have a stampede of undead horses or a powered nuclear mushroom or a bleeding chalice of bones. The Endless Spells in AoS were also a way(at least with predatory spells) to affect the Double Turn. 40k spells of AoS diversity would be weird(except maybe for Orks) and currently there is no need to affect any double turns as there are none in 40k.


You're talking about lore and theme and things making sense. Those are far down the list of things GW cares about. The important part is that the endless spells are designed by the terrain team and manufactured in China, so they can easily pump them out with each new book.


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Post by: Togusa


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Source - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btmQ3yPGDCs

Take with appropriate levels of salt.

Basically as the video. Rumour is stated to be from a source that correctly predicted contents and nature of Blackstone Fortress.

I'll summarise for those who hate Youtube -

1. Marine supplements will be spaced roughly 2 months apart.
2. Iron Hands and Raven Guard next supplement releases apparently.
3. Every chapter will be getting an upgrade sprue.
4. Black Templars vs Orks next box set.
5. Ghazghkull is getting a new model.

May be linked to psychic awakening that references "the beast".

Thoughts?


Because why buy one codex, when we can split content (just like our electronic gaming cousins are doing) and get you to buy tiny supplements at 25$ a piece in addition to everything else. We know you already have a Grimaldis, but, buy this NEW ULTRA ULTRA SPESS MAHREEN PRIMARIS GRAND CHAPLIN GRIMALDIS OF THE BLACK TEMPLARS MIGHTY HERO. Look how shiny he is! And how bold and important, He went to the primaris place and did the thing, became sterile and dull. See all these re-rolls? See all these cool abilities that ignore entire sections of game rules like moral. BUY HIM NOW @ THE NEW SINGLE MODEL CHARACTER PACK PRICE, ONLY 39.99 USD FOR A SINGLE MONO POSE CHARACTER!

So, it's also worth noting that if you own a SM army and wish to play any faction to test builds, you now need the following in addition to MODELS.

The BRB, Codex Space Marines & 5-9 supplement books, two campaign books, 6 issues of white dwarf, the latest FAQ/errata, this years Chapter Approved, Psychic Awakening Supplement, and don't forget your skullmarker TM space bolter dice TM grand army battle case TM...

Jesus, anyone who doesn't see why this marine release sets a bad precedent for the future of the game is either blind or unwilling to consider that they've taken a direct lesson from the behavior of the AAA gaming industry and are trying subtlety to bring it into their own business model. They've been shotgunning boxed game after boxed game into the market for over a year and a half now, spreading so much content out into the wild that it is hard to keep track. And much of that content is still locked behind a paywall. Find me a generic primaris lt that you can buy as a clamp pack. I'll wait.

Remember Blackstone Fortress? I've yet to meet a single person who has ever even played the first mission, but almost every wargamer I know, myself included owns a copy of it. I don't even know why I bought it outside of "Hey, this looks like a great deal for these new models" that I've never touched or painted!


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Post by: fraser1191


Why does anyone drag around the BRB? I think every box set comes with the little pamphlet.

So basically when I go to play 40k I have my now 2 books, codex and supplement, in addition to the current CA. This book argument is always good for a laugh because I never see anyone carrying around "everything they need" for a game. It's always their codex and just their armies.


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Post by: Not Online!!!


 fraser1191 wrote:
Why does anyone drag around the BRB? I think every box set comes with the little pamphlet.

So basically when I go to play 40k I have my now 2 books, codex and supplement, in addition to the current CA. This book argument is always good for a laugh because I never see anyone carrying around "everything they need" for a game. It's always their codex and just their armies.


So you just ignore FAQ's?
And don't bother with vgilus?


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Post by: Togusa


Not Online!!! wrote:
 fraser1191 wrote:
Why does anyone drag around the BRB? I think every box set comes with the little pamphlet.

So basically when I go to play 40k I have my now 2 books, codex and supplement, in addition to the current CA. This book argument is always good for a laugh because I never see anyone carrying around "everything they need" for a game. It's always their codex and just their armies.


So you just ignore FAQ's?
And don't bother with vgilus?


Everyone in our area carries around Ablaze and a binder full of FAQ's like they're a freaking bible.

I can see some choosing to leave the BRB at home, but given most of the missions I play come from it, I sort of need it to help set up tables.

And again, that is great that this person has codex and supplement, but what if you like to play ALL of the chapters. Even if you only play one at a time you still have to buy ALL the supplements. My concerns are valid, I do not trust the direction the company is going. It stinks of AAA gaming behavior.


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Post by: JSG


 Togusa wrote:
Because why buy one codex, when we can split content (just like our electronic gaming cousins are doing) and get you to buy tiny supplements at 25$ a piece in addition to everything else. We know you already have a Grimaldis, but, buy this NEW ULTRA ULTRA SPESS MAHREEN PRIMARIS GRAND CHAPLIN GRIMALDIS OF THE BLACK TEMPLARS MIGHTY HERO. Look how shiny he is! And how bold and important, He went to the primaris place and did the thing, became sterile and dull. See all these re-rolls? See all these cool abilities that ignore entire sections of game rules like moral. BUY HIM NOW @ THE NEW SINGLE MODEL CHARACTER PACK PRICE, ONLY 39.99 USD FOR A SINGLE MONO POSE CHARACTER!

So, it's also worth noting that if you own a SM army and wish to play any faction to test builds, you now need the following in addition to MODELS.

The BRB, Codex Space Marines & 5-9 supplement books, two campaign books, 6 issues of white dwarf, the latest FAQ/errata, this years Chapter Approved, Psychic Awakening Supplement, and don't forget your skullmarker TM space bolter dice TM grand army battle case TM...

Jesus, anyone who doesn't see why this marine release sets a bad precedent for the future of the game is either blind or unwilling to consider that they've taken a direct lesson from the behavior of the AAA gaming industry and are trying subtlety to bring it into their own business model. They've been shotgunning boxed game after boxed game into the market for over a year and a half now, spreading so much content out into the wild that it is hard to keep track. And much of that content is still locked behind a paywall. Find me a generic primaris lt that you can buy as a clamp pack. I'll wait.

Remember Blackstone Fortress? I've yet to meet a single person who has ever even played the first mission, but almost every wargamer I know, myself included owns a copy of it. I don't even know why I bought it outside of "Hey, this looks like a great deal for these new models" that I've never touched or painted!


Every argument here is so disingenuous I almost feel compelled to reply in green text.


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Post by: Irbis


 Togusa wrote:
The BRB, Codex Space Marines & 5-9 supplement books, two campaign books, 6 issues of white dwarf

Except A ) you need zero campaign books, first, because only one dealt with SM, second, because the stratagems were reprinted in new Codex, B ) I have no idea why you would need White Dwarf seeing both CF and BR* had their rules moved to new Codex, too, C ) while the supplements are kind of mild problem, most people will pick one chapter and stick to it. It's really only a problem for TFG who jumps traits constantly to tailor to opponent and if that will cut on this, maybe something good will come from that change.

*which is a shame because it shows how uninspired, lazy garbage the whole BR "focus" thing was but still, it means you only need Codex, sad as it is.

 Togusa wrote:
Find me a generic primaris lt that you can buy as a clamp pack. I'll wait.

Here: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Primaris-Lieutenant-With-Power-Sword-2019

What do I win?


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Post by: Togusa


JSG wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
Because why buy one codex, when we can split content (just like our electronic gaming cousins are doing) and get you to buy tiny supplements at 25$ a piece in addition to everything else. We know you already have a Grimaldis, but, buy this NEW ULTRA ULTRA SPESS MAHREEN PRIMARIS GRAND CHAPLIN GRIMALDIS OF THE BLACK TEMPLARS MIGHTY HERO. Look how shiny he is! And how bold and important, He went to the primaris place and did the thing, became sterile and dull. See all these re-rolls? See all these cool abilities that ignore entire sections of game rules like moral. BUY HIM NOW @ THE NEW SINGLE MODEL CHARACTER PACK PRICE, ONLY 39.99 USD FOR A SINGLE MONO POSE CHARACTER!

So, it's also worth noting that if you own a SM army and wish to play any faction to test builds, you now need the following in addition to MODELS.

The BRB, Codex Space Marines & 5-9 supplement books, two campaign books, 6 issues of white dwarf, the latest FAQ/errata, this years Chapter Approved, Psychic Awakening Supplement, and don't forget your skullmarker TM space bolter dice TM grand army battle case TM...

Jesus, anyone who doesn't see why this marine release sets a bad precedent for the future of the game is either blind or unwilling to consider that they've taken a direct lesson from the behavior of the AAA gaming industry and are trying subtlety to bring it into their own business model. They've been shotgunning boxed game after boxed game into the market for over a year and a half now, spreading so much content out into the wild that it is hard to keep track. And much of that content is still locked behind a paywall. Find me a generic primaris lt that you can buy as a clamp pack. I'll wait.

Remember Blackstone Fortress? I've yet to meet a single person who has ever even played the first mission, but almost every wargamer I know, myself included owns a copy of it. I don't even know why I bought it outside of "Hey, this looks like a great deal for these new models" that I've never touched or painted!


Every argument here is so disingenuous I almost feel compelled to reply in green text.


Is it?

Find me a generic primaris LT that isn't locked behind the paywall of a box set.

Show me someone who plays BS Fortress.

Tell me how carving up chapters into multiple books, and then adding the need to buy a codex, CA, and any supplements isn't money grubbing microtransaction mimicking behavior to a T.

Convince me that Primaris aren't an excuse to get you to buy a whole new army by using "soft force and coercion".



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Post by: bullyboy


I play Blackstone Fortress.


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Post by: Togusa


 Irbis wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
The BRB, Codex Space Marines & 5-9 supplement books, two campaign books, 6 issues of white dwarf

Except A ) you need zero campaign books, first, because only one dealt with SM, second, because the stratagems were reprinted in new Codex, B ) I have no idea why you would need White Dwarf seeing both CF and BR* had their rules moved to new Codex, too, C ) while the supplements are kind of mild problem, most people will pick one chapter and stick to it. It's really only a problem for TFG who jumps traits constantly to tailor to opponent and if that will cut on this, maybe something good will come from that change.

*which is a shame because it shows how uninspired, lazy garbage the whole BR "focus" thing was but still, it means you only need Codex, sad as it is.

 Togusa wrote:
Find me a generic primaris lt that you can buy as a clamp pack. I'll wait.

Here: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Primaris-Lieutenant-With-Power-Sword-2019

What do I win?


That's an ultramarine. You win nothing, I said GENERIC.

So, because I might like to try out different chapters that makes me TFG and not a gamer interested in playing with different builds and getting the most bang for buck out of my collection of models? Interesting.

If index chapters are getting reprinted in the book that's even worse as they've basically double charged you for your rules. BR just came out less than a month ago and for 9.99 and now you want me to spend 49.99 to get them again? LOL.

Oh wow, look at all those options and it only costs 35 USD!!! LOLOLOLOL.

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Post by: Danny76


 Irbis wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
The BRB, Codex Space Marines & 5-9 supplement books, two campaign books, 6 issues of white dwarf

Except A ) you need zero campaign books, first, because only one dealt with SM, second, because the stratagems were reprinted in new Codex, B ) I have no idea why you would need White Dwarf seeing both CF and BR* had their rules moved to new Codex, too, C ) while the supplements are kind of mild problem, most people will pick one chapter and stick to it. It's really only a problem for TFG who jumps traits constantly to tailor to opponent and if that will cut on this, maybe something good will come from that change.

*which is a shame because it shows how uninspired, lazy garbage the whole BR "focus" thing was but still, it means you only need Codex, sad as it is.

 Togusa wrote:
Find me a generic primaris lt that you can buy as a clamp pack. I'll wait.

Here: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Primaris-Lieutenant-With-Power-Sword-2019

What do I win?


Also though, yeah maybe the supplement thing is valid for some, who for some reason can’t settle on an army or whatever.

But “carry around” all that. I mean, youre only going to be playing one of them at a time, so yeah you might buy all of them (valid as annoying sure), but you are carrying at Most,
Rules, Codex, Supplement. And anyone with sense, would jot down the relevant info from CA, but fine add it in too.


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Loads of people play BSF.
Look in the thread on here.
They are the people complaining they are getting priced out by expansions. Can’t get prices out if you aren’t playing it. (That’s a whole other issue to come)


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And also. That is a generic LT.
The Ultra stuff isn’t sculpted on him


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Post by: Togusa


Danny76 wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
The BRB, Codex Space Marines & 5-9 supplement books, two campaign books, 6 issues of white dwarf

Except A ) you need zero campaign books, first, because only one dealt with SM, second, because the stratagems were reprinted in new Codex, B ) I have no idea why you would need White Dwarf seeing both CF and BR* had their rules moved to new Codex, too, C ) while the supplements are kind of mild problem, most people will pick one chapter and stick to it. It's really only a problem for TFG who jumps traits constantly to tailor to opponent and if that will cut on this, maybe something good will come from that change.

*which is a shame because it shows how uninspired, lazy garbage the whole BR "focus" thing was but still, it means you only need Codex, sad as it is.

 Togusa wrote:
Find me a generic primaris lt that you can buy as a clamp pack. I'll wait.

Here: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Primaris-Lieutenant-With-Power-Sword-2019

What do I win?


Also though, yeah maybe the supplement thing is valid for some, who for some reason can’t settle on an army or whatever.

But “carry around” all that. I mean, youre only going to be playing one of them at a time, so yeah you might buy all of them (valid as annoying sure), but you are carrying at Most,
Rules, Codex, Supplement. And anyone with sense, would jot down the relevant info from CA, but fine add it in too.


Judging the habits of other players, what they carry and bring with them to the store is a nice way of deflecting the fact that GW is expecting to break up content and rape your wallet for every penny they can get. "You're only going to be playing one at a time" isn't true either, allies is a thing and someone might want to play multiple books from the same codex, using different chapters.

Let me offer an example.

For me personally, I have to drive over 134 miles one way to go to my FLGS. I typically play 1 day per week on the weekend, and I must get up around 8:30 AM to reach the store by the time it opens at 11 am. To get the most out of my day, I usually stay until past 7 PM in order to get multiple games in. So if I want to play with BR, Dark Angels and Ultramarines on one day, I have to bring a Minimum of the Codex, Two Supplements, CA20XX, the Campaign book that has all my special formations in it, my game pieces, table mat, terrain, dice, etc.

There is no reason all of the above couldn't have been rolled into one book and set at a higher price tag to compensate.


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Post by: Kirasu


1-2 more throw away board games, Adding Chaos to Existing Imperial Army, and new marine supplements. I bet those are the announcements.


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Post by: ImAGeek


 Togusa wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
The BRB, Codex Space Marines & 5-9 supplement books, two campaign books, 6 issues of white dwarf

Except A ) you need zero campaign books, first, because only one dealt with SM, second, because the stratagems were reprinted in new Codex, B ) I have no idea why you would need White Dwarf seeing both CF and BR* had their rules moved to new Codex, too, C ) while the supplements are kind of mild problem, most people will pick one chapter and stick to it. It's really only a problem for TFG who jumps traits constantly to tailor to opponent and if that will cut on this, maybe something good will come from that change.

*which is a shame because it shows how uninspired, lazy garbage the whole BR "focus" thing was but still, it means you only need Codex, sad as it is.

 Togusa wrote:
Find me a generic primaris lt that you can buy as a clamp pack. I'll wait.

Here: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Primaris-Lieutenant-With-Power-Sword-2019

What do I win?


That's an ultramarine. You win nothing, I said GENERIC.

So, because I might like to try out different chapters that makes me TFG and not a gamer interested in playing with different builds and getting the most bang for buck out of my collection of models? Interesting.

If index chapters are getting reprinted in the book that's even worse as they've basically double charged you for your rules. BR just came out less than a month ago and for 9.99 and now you want me to spend 49.99 to get them again? LOL.

Oh wow, look at all those options and it only costs 35 USD!!! LOLOLOLOL.


That one is generic. There’s nothing Ultramarine specific about him.


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Post by: Togusa


Danny76 wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
The BRB, Codex Space Marines & 5-9 supplement books, two campaign books, 6 issues of white dwarf

Except A ) you need zero campaign books, first, because only one dealt with SM, second, because the stratagems were reprinted in new Codex, B ) I have no idea why you would need White Dwarf seeing both CF and BR* had their rules moved to new Codex, too, C ) while the supplements are kind of mild problem, most people will pick one chapter and stick to it. It's really only a problem for TFG who jumps traits constantly to tailor to opponent and if that will cut on this, maybe something good will come from that change.

*which is a shame because it shows how uninspired, lazy garbage the whole BR "focus" thing was but still, it means you only need Codex, sad as it is.

 Togusa wrote:
Find me a generic primaris lt that you can buy as a clamp pack. I'll wait.

Here: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Primaris-Lieutenant-With-Power-Sword-2019

What do I win?


Also though, yeah maybe the supplement thing is valid for some, who for some reason can’t settle on an army or whatever.

But “carry around” all that. I mean, youre only going to be playing one of them at a time, so yeah you might buy all of them (valid as annoying sure), but you are carrying at Most,
Rules, Codex, Supplement. And anyone with sense, would jot down the relevant info from CA, but fine add it in too.


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Loads of people play BSF.
Look in the thread on here.
They are the people complaining they are getting priced out by expansions. Can’t get prices out if you aren’t playing it. (That’s a whole other issue to come)


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And also. That is a generic LT.
The Ultra stuff isn’t sculpted on him


I looked at it again, and I will agree it is generic. Only took two years too. Good job GW! Here is your Gold star and pat on the back!


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 Kirasu wrote:
1-2 more throw away board games, Adding Chaos to Existing Imperial Army, and new marine supplements. I bet those are the announcements.


Chaos is likely to get the same treatment. At least in terms of the chapter specific books and some of the rules. I'm willing to bet that Dark XXXX will get announced and once again Xenos players will twiddle their thumbs.


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Post by: gorgon


Yeah, me too. I've played the base BSF game to its completion. Actually, at our store we had maybe seven or eight players cycle in or out and participate.

It also occurs to me that a more narratively-focused player (of which there are plenty) likely isn't going to need or even want a codex for every single marine chapter. They likely have their chapter or two that they stick with...either official chapters painted as such or homebrewed successors of official chapters with homebrewed backstories.

Swapping out rulesets from game to game to find optimal combinations is a more competitive approach to the hobby. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just that the dirty-little-secret-that-really-isn't-a-secret-if-you-play-attention is that 40K isn't really designed for competitive play. GW does some things to support it, but they make you pony up if that's your thing.


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


I don't really see the validity of the complaint nor its relation to this thread.

Any player who wanted to "try all of the different marine chapters" would go to a store and try them there, for free, before settling on a particular choice.

If you have a collection and it's painted a certain way already you have made the decision beforehand.

If the concern is from testing the different chapters from a purely competitive standpoint then a player needs to wait until all of the supplements are released before they'll know which is the most competitive. How will they know without buying? Reviews I'd have thought. Or the myriad podcasts/youtube videos covering the most and least competitive elements of the supplements in great detail.

You can't blame GW for your decision to purchase Blackstone Fortress either. I wasn't interested in it and I knew I wouldn't touch it so I didn't buy it. I'm guessing you didn't have a gun held to your head when you purchased it?

I for one would welcome as many new models as GW can produce for my faction. I also welcome supplements and other additions to the rules of my faction. I would purchase them all with abandon to "show" GW that I want more of them. If it doesn't suit you, don't buy them. It's pretty simple. But know that when you don't buy them you are signalling to GW that, as a consumer, you aren't interested in new things.


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Post by: Togusa


 gorgon wrote:
Yeah, me too. I've played the base BSF game to its completion. Actually, at our store we had maybe seven or eight players cycle in or out and participate.

It also occurs to me that a more narratively-focused player (of which there are plenty) likely isn't going to need or even want a codex for every single marine chapter. They likely have their chapter or two that they stick with...either official chapters painted as such or homebrewed successors of official chapters with homebrewed backstories.

Swapping out rulesets from game to game to find optimal combinations is a more competitive approach to the hobby. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just that the dirty-little-secret-that-really-isn't-a-secret-if-you-play-attention is that 40K isn't really designed for competitive play. GW does some things to support it, but they make you pony up if that's your thing.


I agree there is nothing wrong with it.

But to suggest that the only reason a person would switch rule-sets is for competition is disingenuous. There are many other reasons one might want to try out different sets, stratagems and heroes. I can name several, for me personaly chiefly being that I enjoy almost all of the marine chapters and enjoy bringing a different and unique list each week when I show up to play with others.


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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I don't really see the validity of the complaint nor its relation to this thread.

Any player who wanted to "try all of the different marine chapters" would go to a store and try them there, for free, before settling on a particular choice.

If you have a collection and it's painted a certain way already you have made the decision beforehand.

If the concern is from testing the different chapters from a purely competitive standpoint then a player needs to wait until all of the supplements are released before they'll know which is the most competitive. How will they know without buying? Reviews I'd have thought. Or the myriad podcasts/youtube videos covering the most and least competitive elements of the supplements in great detail.

You can't blame GW for your decision to purchase Blackstone Fortress either. I wasn't interested in it and I knew I wouldn't touch it so I didn't buy it. I'm guessing you didn't have a gun held to your head when you purchased it?

I for one would welcome as many new models as GW can produce for my faction. I also welcome supplements and other additions to the rules of my faction. I would purchase them all with abandon to "show" GW that I want more of them. If it doesn't suit you, don't buy them. It's pretty simple. But know that when you don't buy them you are signalling to GW that, as a consumer, you aren't interested in new things.


There is no rule that says your Ultramarine paint job models can only use Ultramarine chapter tactics. My argument has nothing to do with competitive play. I don't care about that. And I know of no store that will let you "try the rules for free" before buying them. All books come shrink wrapped so that you cannot look inside. Most stores I've been to even have signs that read "If I hear a spine crack, you've just purchased the book that made the sound."

I personally have two fully painted armies, one white scars and one a custom color scheme, and I play them both mixed and as many different factions all the time.

As for BSF I'm not blaming them for selling it. I'm saying that there is a certain appeal that they have created to get people to buy, regardless of if you need the thing or not.

I don't blame games workshop for learning how to social media and influence purchases. That's how capitalism works. I just think it sets a terrible precedent for the future when interest will inevitably wane.


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Post by: Danny76


It’s not that I 100% disagree, it is a dangerous precedent to set adding all the books and options and add ins.
I guess just for me I don’t think we are there yet


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Post by: Apple Peel


 Togusa wrote:

Remember Blackstone Fortress? I've yet to meet a single person who has ever even played the first mission, but almost every wargamer I know, myself included owns a copy of it. I don't even know why I bought it outside of "Hey, this looks like a great deal for these new models" that I've never touched or painted!

You and almost every war gamer you know sound like a whole bunch of suckers that just have to consume product.


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


 Togusa wrote:
There is no rule that says your Ultramarine paint job models can only use Ultramarine chapter tactics. My argument has nothing to do with competitive play. I don't care about that. And I know of no store that will let you "try the rules for free" before buying them. All books come shrink wrapped so that you cannot look inside. Most stores I've been to even have signs that read "If I hear a spine crack, you've just purchased the book that made the sound."

I personally have two fully painted armies, one white scars and one a custom color scheme, and I play them both mixed and as many different factions all the time.

In the stores around here they always have trial codexes open and they encourage people to "try before they buy". It's how they make a ton of sales.

We also spend a ton of time talking about different builds and strengths/weaknesses of different factions/SM chapters and people get hyped up on a certain build. I've never seen the sign you talk of and I'm sorry it's like that for you. It's way better here (in UK).

Even so, I know of no Marine player that doesn't play their chapter unless they have no other choice ie - their Chapter is so horrifically bad it's effectively unplayable. I literally know of no Ultramarine/White Scar/Raven Guard etc etc player that doesn't want to play their faction because it's the faction they've invested so much of their time in. They have a certain loyalty to their chapter. More so than most players of other factions I think. So your "problem" doesn't really exist in reality. I doubt there's many people who genuinely want or need to purchase each supplement.


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Post by: Dudeface


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
There is no rule that says your Ultramarine paint job models can only use Ultramarine chapter tactics. My argument has nothing to do with competitive play. I don't care about that. And I know of no store that will let you "try the rules for free" before buying them. All books come shrink wrapped so that you cannot look inside. Most stores I've been to even have signs that read "If I hear a spine crack, you've just purchased the book that made the sound."

I personally have two fully painted armies, one white scars and one a custom color scheme, and I play them both mixed and as many different factions all the time.

In the stores around here they always have trial codexes open and they encourage people to "try before they buy". It's how they make a ton of sales.

We also spend a ton of time talking about different builds and strengths/weaknesses of different factions/SM chapters and people get hyped up on a certain build. I've never seen the sign you talk of and I'm sorry it's like that for you. It's way better here (in UK).

Even so, I know of no Marine player that doesn't play their chapter unless they have no other choice ie - their Chapter is so horrifically bad it's effectively unplayable. I literally know of no Ultramarine/White Scar/Raven Guard etc etc player that doesn't want to play their faction because it's the faction they've invested so much of their time in. They have a certain loyalty to their chapter. More so than most players of other factions I think. So your "problem" doesn't really exist in reality. I doubt there's many people who genuinely want or need to purchase each supplement.


I agree with you mostly but this is a can of worms that got me raged at already. Competitive players want all the books as hard copies for TO compliance and so they can use the best rules each game it seems.


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Post by: BrianDavion


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
There is no rule that says your Ultramarine paint job models can only use Ultramarine chapter tactics. My argument has nothing to do with competitive play. I don't care about that. And I know of no store that will let you "try the rules for free" before buying them. All books come shrink wrapped so that you cannot look inside. Most stores I've been to even have signs that read "If I hear a spine crack, you've just purchased the book that made the sound."

I personally have two fully painted armies, one white scars and one a custom color scheme, and I play them both mixed and as many different factions all the time.

In the stores around here they always have trial codexes open and they encourage people to "try before they buy". It's how they make a ton of sales.

We also spend a ton of time talking about different builds and strengths/weaknesses of different factions/SM chapters and people get hyped up on a certain build. I've never seen the sign you talk of and I'm sorry it's like that for you. It's way better here (in UK).

Even so, I know of no Marine player that doesn't play their chapter unless they have no other choice ie - their Chapter is so horrifically bad it's effectively unplayable. I literally know of no Ultramarine/White Scar/Raven Guard etc etc player that doesn't want to play their faction because it's the faction they've invested so much of their time in. They have a certain loyalty to their chapter. More so than most players of other factions I think. So your "problem" doesn't really exist in reality. I doubt there's many people who genuinely want or need to purchase each supplement.


I find that people that make these complaints have a TOTALY differant mentality from a lot of us and proably from what GW expects to play the game, they belive you have to have access to all the rule books because the guy accross from them might be so eager to win that he "misinterprets" the rules and are just as eager to win themselves. it's a horriably unhealthy additude for a game that consists of going "pew pew" with toy soldiers


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Post by: aka_mythos


 Togusa wrote:

There is no rule that says your Ultramarine paint job models can only use Ultramarine chapter tactics.

I think there is an argument to be made that its a case of WYSIWYG... rising to the acceptability of proxies. Some people care some people don't.

The main distinctions between different marine armies are their colors; it is the feature that in fact defines them beyond just being space marines in a generic sense.

Let's pose it another way... In the codex there is the rule in the build a chapter section that defines a chapter as so close to its founding chapter that they should have the same chapter tactics. Such a chapter gets the chapter tactics, but they don't get the other things that are unique to that original chapter... because they aren't that chapter. The level of fluidity with picking and choosing what you're going to call an otherwise specific army, such as your example above, would invalidate the type of distinction intentionally made by having this rule. Why would anyone play second founding chapters with those limited rules, when they can just say they're the original founding chapter and get access to more? That paint job is ultimately the only thing to distinguish the two from each other.

That's before we consider that in the past, certain chapters were specifically given the ability to choose which chapter's chapter tactics they'd use in any given game... if such a thing was immediately acceptable, why did they have to bother writing the rule?

Whether its intentional and contextual, or just something of a soft expectation it is there. I don't have a problem with proxies, but it is a case of proxying the subfaction... and just like the potential for headaches that come from proxying you should be prepared for potential disagreements.


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Post by: Racerguy180


Apple Peel wrote:
 Togusa wrote:

Remember Blackstone Fortress? I've yet to meet a single person who has ever even played the first mission, but almost every wargamer I know, myself included owns a copy of it. I don't even know why I bought it outside of "Hey, this looks like a great deal for these new models" that I've never touched or painted!

You and almost every war gamer you know sound like a whole bunch of suckers that just have to consume product.


A fool and his money are easily separated. some people cant help themselves with new shiny and companies know it. Magic, Pokemon, freemium apps, etc all prey on those whom have little impulse control for FOMO related stuff.


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Post by: Sabotage!


I don't know. I own BSF and I have played quite a lot of it. Looking forward to completing it when the buddies I am playing with are back in town. It's not a bad game, though a bit repetitive.

While personally I think it's cool all of the First Founding Chapters are getting their own supplement, I do think it's a bit excessive (and certainly unfair to all the Chaos, Tau, Eldar, Guard, etc. players whose chosen Legion, Homeworld, Regiment, etc....will never get a supplement). Wouldn't it have been better to include 3 or 4 pages for each in the codex itself with the Chapter tactics, a couple unique characters, a unit or two and a page or so of fluff?

It would have given GW a lot more time to write supplements or books with a broader appeal than just to a very specific subset of marine players.


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Post by: Togusa


 Apple Peel wrote:
 Togusa wrote:

Remember Blackstone Fortress? I've yet to meet a single person who has ever even played the first mission, but almost every wargamer I know, myself included owns a copy of it. I don't even know why I bought it outside of "Hey, this looks like a great deal for these new models" that I've never touched or painted!

You and almost every war gamer you know sound like a whole bunch of suckers that just have to consume product.



Tends to happen quite a lot. Once I started to question it, I learned something about addiction and depression.


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Post by: Not Online!!!


Essentially, the “nod” back then, was that the next major faction v faction box to be released this year would be Sisters vs Chaos, with the Chaos side being Alpha Legion in focus and including a new Cultists sprue/kit.

Now, we know that the Cultists are getting more sculpts in Blackstone Fortress – so, maybe this is linked, or maybe it’s just a mix up on what is in the box vs the SOB.


Hell would probably freeze over before we'd get a propper cultist based release.
But maybee i am wrong.


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Post by: CREEEEEEEEED


A source I know said the 2 months thing between supplement releases is ridiculous, they will all be out by then end of October. IH and RG are next, everyone gets an upgrade sprue and primaris character, Ghazghkull is not getting a new model. As for the boxed set, he didn't say it wasn't happening, but he has more to do with the rules side, so he wouldn't know.


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Post by: MajorWesJanson


 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
A source I know said the 2 months thing between supplement releases is ridiculous, they will all be out by then end of October. IH and RG are next, everyone gets an upgrade sprue and primaris character, Ghazghkull is not getting a new model. As for the boxed set, he didn't say it wasn't happening, but he has more to do with the rules side, so he wouldn't know.


Ghazkull needs a new model. But that is a subject for another thread.

Upgrade sprue, it would be nice if the um one was repackaged to be like the WS one 1 and 2 sprues to a set.


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Post by: Oryza Sativa


 Eldarsif wrote:
I am kinda curious how 40k "Endless Spells" might end up being like. Fantasy has in my mind a much easier time doing such spells due to the innate fantasy of the setting. Therefore it is not weird to have a stampede of undead horses or a powered nuclear mushroom or a bleeding chalice of bones. The Endless Spells in AoS were also a way(at least with predatory spells) to affect the Double Turn. 40k spells of AoS diversity would be weird(except maybe for Orks) and currently there is no need to affect any double turns as there are none in 40k.


Back in 2nd edition there were a number of psychic powers and effects that remained on the battlefield. Vortex and Eldritch Storm come to mind immediately. Squats had a Force Dome power until they were squatted, IIRC; that could certainly be moved to Imperial Guard or some other Imperial army. This would be in line with the callbacks being made with releases like Genestealer Cult. It's not hard to imagine some kind of pestilent miasma cloud for Nurgle, walls of pink fire for Tzeentch, and so on. Tyranids/GC are perhaps a little trickier in terms of precedent, but I'm sure one could think of something. I could see these being given points values and made available for purchase on a 1-per-army basis or something like that (I don't know how Endless Spells actually function in AoS since I don't play it).


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Post by: Racerguy180


 Oryza Sativa wrote:
Spoiler:
 Eldarsif wrote:
I am kinda curious how 40k "Endless Spells" might end up being like. Fantasy has in my mind a much easier time doing such spells due to the innate fantasy of the setting. Therefore it is not weird to have a stampede of undead horses or a powered nuclear mushroom or a bleeding chalice of bones. The Endless Spells in AoS were also a way(at least with predatory spells) to affect the Double Turn. 40k spells of AoS diversity would be weird(except maybe for Orks) and currently there is no need to affect any double turns as there are none in 40k.


Back in 2nd edition there were a number of psychic powers and effects that remained on the battlefield. Vortex and Eldritch Storm come to mind immediately. Squats had a Force Dome power until they were squatted, IIRC; that could certainly be moved to Imperial Guard or some other Imperial army.


dont remind me, I miss my Squats.


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Post by: Togusa


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
There is no rule that says your Ultramarine paint job models can only use Ultramarine chapter tactics. My argument has nothing to do with competitive play. I don't care about that. And I know of no store that will let you "try the rules for free" before buying them. All books come shrink wrapped so that you cannot look inside. Most stores I've been to even have signs that read "If I hear a spine crack, you've just purchased the book that made the sound."

I personally have two fully painted armies, one white scars and one a custom color scheme, and I play them both mixed and as many different factions all the time.

In the stores around here they always have trial codexes open and they encourage people to "try before they buy". It's how they make a ton of sales.

We also spend a ton of time talking about different builds and strengths/weaknesses of different factions/SM chapters and people get hyped up on a certain build. I've never seen the sign you talk of and I'm sorry it's like that for you. It's way better here (in UK).

Even so, I know of no Marine player that doesn't play their chapter unless they have no other choice ie - their Chapter is so horrifically bad it's effectively unplayable. I literally know of no Ultramarine/White Scar/Raven Guard etc etc player that doesn't want to play their faction because it's the faction they've invested so much of their time in. They have a certain loyalty to their chapter. More so than most players of other factions I think. So your "problem" doesn't really exist in reality. I doubt there's many people who genuinely want or need to purchase each supplement.


Okay dude. Sure, you keep telling yourself that.

I don't know a single person that doesn't want to play each chapter and faction from their books. I know of no one so fanatically devoted to playing one specific thing over and over ad infinitum to the point of being that fanatical.


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Post by: BrianDavion


 Togusa wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
There is no rule that says your Ultramarine paint job models can only use Ultramarine chapter tactics. My argument has nothing to do with competitive play. I don't care about that. And I know of no store that will let you "try the rules for free" before buying them. All books come shrink wrapped so that you cannot look inside. Most stores I've been to even have signs that read "If I hear a spine crack, you've just purchased the book that made the sound."

I personally have two fully painted armies, one white scars and one a custom color scheme, and I play them both mixed and as many different factions all the time.

In the stores around here they always have trial codexes open and they encourage people to "try before they buy". It's how they make a ton of sales.

We also spend a ton of time talking about different builds and strengths/weaknesses of different factions/SM chapters and people get hyped up on a certain build. I've never seen the sign you talk of and I'm sorry it's like that for you. It's way better here (in UK).

Even so, I know of no Marine player that doesn't play their chapter unless they have no other choice ie - their Chapter is so horrifically bad it's effectively unplayable. I literally know of no Ultramarine/White Scar/Raven Guard etc etc player that doesn't want to play their faction because it's the faction they've invested so much of their time in. They have a certain loyalty to their chapter. More so than most players of other factions I think. So your "problem" doesn't really exist in reality. I doubt there's many people who genuinely want or need to purchase each supplement.


Okay dude. Sure, you keep telling yourself that.

I don't know a single person that doesn't want to play each chapter and faction from their books. I know of no one so fanatically devoted to playing one specific thing over and over ad infinitum to the point of being that fanatical.


seems to me you guys just likely have differant mentalities in your metas.

thing is Space Marine players likely consist of 3 groups. the first group are people who like a specific chapter and wanna play that chapter. the second group like space marines over all but won't wanna commit to one chapter. the third group are the meta chasers who play whatever the OP FOTM is.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


@BrianDavion, I know a lot more people in the first group than either of the other groups combined.


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Post by: Racerguy180


I have zero interest in any loyalist marines other than my Salamanders. But since I could give 2 scheiss about which chapter has the best whatever, it's not really an issue.

Almost every marine player in my area only has 1 marine army & they play them all of the time. Zero players switch up their armies for which is hottest.

If you feel the need to have all of the books and everyone else's whatever, continue to buy as much as you feel the need to, keeping up with the jones' is expensive.


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Post by: BrianDavion


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
@BrianDavion, I know a lot more people in the first group than either of the other groups combined.


Me too. although I notice groups 2 and 3 are... shall we say the more vocal here?


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Post by: Carnikang


 Togusa wrote:

Okay dude. Sure, you keep telling yourself that.

I don't know a single person that doesn't want to play each chapter and faction from their books. I know of no one so fanatically devoted to playing one specific thing over and over ad infinitum to the point of being that fanatical.


You're a peach.

With all the rumors, I'm actually considering starting a wholly Black Templar army, because I think they're awesome. Maybe not the best rules-wise, or model-wise, or even morals-wise. But it's a game, and I like that faction. Which I want to play just that faction. Cause I don't really like 'Space Marines' as a whole.

Ignoring that, I understand what you mean. There definitely are people who want to play what's best, or try different combos from their codex, but they're not everyone. People are different, and just because you know no one who likes playing a specific build over and over, doesn't mean there isn't someone.... (also, is that fanaticism or is it just playing a comfortable/familiar build in a game you like?)


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Post by: BrianDavion


besides just because you wanna play one faction doesn't mean one build, most people who collect an army cause they like the lore tend to build up a good sized force over time. a ultramarines fluff monkey mioght be inclined to run a bike army for fun sometime.


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Post by: tneva82


BrianDavion wrote:
besides just because you wanna play one faction doesn't mean one build, most people who collect an army cause they like the lore tend to build up a good sized force over time. a ultramarines fluff monkey mioght be inclined to run a bike army for fun sometime.


And besides bike ultramarines are fluffy. As is non bike white scars. All bike white scars is as much against fluff as all bike ultramarines.


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Post by: Mr Morden


 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Sisters of Battle featured in Armageddon conflicts a lot so I'd rate this quite likely - used like Vigilus to release a bunch from f stuff themed to the conflict.


To be fair pretty much Every named Imperial force of note went to Armageddon - it was a like a school trip.


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
A source I know said the 2 months thing between supplement releases is ridiculous, they will all be out by then end of October. IH and RG are next, everyone gets an upgrade sprue and primaris character, Ghazghkull is not getting a new model. As for the boxed set, he didn't say it wasn't happening, but he has more to do with the rules side, so he wouldn't know.

This makes me sad though it isn't surprising. Time will tell, hopefully your source is wrong.

Ghazghkull is desperate for an update, his model and rules are lacking.


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Post by: BrianDavion


I recall rumors of Abaddon being in a chaos vs Marines boxed set that turned out to be shadowspear. so this could be something akin to that, a boxed set followed by a big Ork release.


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Post by: tneva82


 Mr Morden wrote:
 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Sisters of Battle featured in Armageddon conflicts a lot so I'd rate this quite likely - used like Vigilus to release a bunch from f stuff themed to the conflict.


To be fair pretty much Every named Imperial force of note went to Armageddon - it was a like a school trip.


Then again it wouldn't be the same armageddon campaign now as it was in 2000 so could be more focused.


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Post by: Mr Morden


tneva82 wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Sisters of Battle featured in Armageddon conflicts a lot so I'd rate this quite likely - used like Vigilus to release a bunch from f stuff themed to the conflict.


To be fair pretty much Every named Imperial force of note went to Armageddon - it was a like a school trip.


Then again it wouldn't be the same armageddon campaign now as it was in 2000 so could be more focused.


Isn't it currently Orks and Imperials against Daemons in the main time line?


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Post by: Not Online!!!


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
A source I know said the 2 months thing between supplement releases is ridiculous, they will all be out by then end of October. IH and RG are next, everyone gets an upgrade sprue and primaris character, Ghazghkull is not getting a new model. As for the boxed set, he didn't say it wasn't happening, but he has more to do with the rules side, so he wouldn't know.

This makes me sad though it isn't surprising. Time will tell, hopefully your source is wrong.

Ghazghkull is desperate for an update, his model and rules are lacking.


Atleast it's just ghazkull, and not the whole army anymore


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


Not Online!!! wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
A source I know said the 2 months thing between supplement releases is ridiculous, they will all be out by then end of October. IH and RG are next, everyone gets an upgrade sprue and primaris character, Ghazghkull is not getting a new model. As for the boxed set, he didn't say it wasn't happening, but he has more to do with the rules side, so he wouldn't know.

This makes me sad though it isn't surprising. Time will tell, hopefully your source is wrong.

Ghazghkull is desperate for an update, his model and rules are lacking.


Atleast it's just ghazkull, and not the whole army anymore

True though I wouldn't say no to a new Boyz, weirdboy and tank busta kit.


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Post by: Not Online!!!


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
A source I know said the 2 months thing between supplement releases is ridiculous, they will all be out by then end of October. IH and RG are next, everyone gets an upgrade sprue and primaris character, Ghazghkull is not getting a new model. As for the boxed set, he didn't say it wasn't happening, but he has more to do with the rules side, so he wouldn't know.

This makes me sad though it isn't surprising. Time will tell, hopefully your source is wrong.

Ghazghkull is desperate for an update, his model and rules are lacking.


Atleast it's just ghazkull, and not the whole army anymore

True though I wouldn't say no to a new Boyz, weirdboy and tank busta kit.


Be happy that you still have the awesome boy box.
The new kits might look awesome but 8guns for 10 dudes, or 8 pistol and melee weapons Starts to grind your gears rather fast.
Also the pricepoint.


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


Not Online!!! wrote:

Be happy that you still have the awesome boy box.
The new kits might look awesome but 8guns for 10 dudes, or 8 pistol and melee weapons Starts to grind your gears rather fast.
Also the pricepoint.

Well the old boys kit was increased in price recently and I'm not a fan to be honest. They look like Instagram women sticking their butts out to me. I didn't realise boys were thicc from the lore.


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Post by: Not Online!!!


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:

Be happy that you still have the awesome boy box.
The new kits might look awesome but 8guns for 10 dudes, or 8 pistol and melee weapons Starts to grind your gears rather fast.
Also the pricepoint.

Well the old boys kit was increased in price recently and I'm not a fan to be honest. They look like Instagram women sticking their butts out to me. I didn't realise boys were thicc from the lore.


Ahh so they pulled an Khorne Berzerker on the boyz aswell.
Shamefur dispray GW , Shamefur!


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Post by: mortar_crew


The boyz kit is still far better than some other ork kits.


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Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:

Be happy that you still have the awesome boy box.
The new kits might look awesome but 8guns for 10 dudes, or 8 pistol and melee weapons Starts to grind your gears rather fast.
Also the pricepoint.

Well the old boys kit was increased in price recently and I'm not a fan to be honest. They look like Instagram women sticking their butts out to me. I didn't realise boys were thicc from the lore.


You are now thinking of an entire Waagh of Orks twerking in unison.
You're welcome.


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:

Be happy that you still have the awesome boy box.
The new kits might look awesome but 8guns for 10 dudes, or 8 pistol and melee weapons Starts to grind your gears rather fast.
Also the pricepoint.

Well the old boys kit was increased in price recently and I'm not a fan to be honest. They look like Instagram women sticking their butts out to me. I didn't realise boys were thicc from the lore.


You are now thinking of an entire Waagh of Orks twerking in unison.
You're welcome.

They came in like a WAAAAGGGHHHkingball!
I never got so krumped before!


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Post by: Eldarsif


 Oryza Sativa wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
I am kinda curious how 40k "Endless Spells" might end up being like. Fantasy has in my mind a much easier time doing such spells due to the innate fantasy of the setting. Therefore it is not weird to have a stampede of undead horses or a powered nuclear mushroom or a bleeding chalice of bones. The Endless Spells in AoS were also a way(at least with predatory spells) to affect the Double Turn. 40k spells of AoS diversity would be weird(except maybe for Orks) and currently there is no need to affect any double turns as there are none in 40k.


Back in 2nd edition there were a number of psychic powers and effects that remained on the battlefield. Vortex and Eldritch Storm come to mind immediately. Squats had a Force Dome power until they were squatted, IIRC; that could certainly be moved to Imperial Guard or some other Imperial army. This would be in line with the callbacks being made with releases like Genestealer Cult. It's not hard to imagine some kind of pestilent miasma cloud for Nurgle, walls of pink fire for Tzeentch, and so on. Tyranids/GC are perhaps a little trickier in terms of precedent, but I'm sure one could think of something. I could see these being given points values and made available for purchase on a 1-per-army basis or something like that (I don't know how Endless Spells actually function in AoS since I don't play it).


I remember those, but they were ultimately just templates with nice graphics and if you were to render those in 3D they would just be generic effects for the most part whereas AoS has galloping undead horses, skeleton chalice filled with blood, Demonic portal holding hand, and so on. Basically I fear that if they go the Endless Spell route it would just be one nuclear blast after another and if they were to go more the fantasy route it would look silly in the 40k setting.

Let us say theorize some Endless Psychic Spells:

Marines: Orbital Bombardment or Vortex Grenade
Imperial Guard: a different Vortex Grenade
Sisters of Battle: Here I could imagine something utilizing doves and cherubs
Eldar: Eldritch Storm
Dark Eldar: Pain Storm
Orks: Big Bang.
Tau: Orbital Rail Gaun
Necrons: Maybe scarab nest.
Tyranid: Tentacle Pit
Genestealer Cults: Tentacle Sand Pit

Then I guess the Chaos Gods would reuse the AoS spells(which would look silly in 40k, but fit right in AoS).

Again, just wondering how this would be represented on the field without looking out of place. Either way we'll find out soon. Exciting times.


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Post by: Kanluwen


If it's Psychic Spells, it's going to be limited to the Psychic Phase...and Orbital Bombardment is already a Stratagem so not likely to happen there.

AOS gets some leeway since there's no Magic Phase, it's all done in the Hero Phase. I'd imagine that whatever happens first will be tied into actual Psyker abilities/manifestations(things like a blazing aquila that attacks foes), with some armies like Tau, Necrons, and Dark Eldar having things that take place in different phases instead.


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Post by: Togusa


BrianDavion wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
There is no rule that says your Ultramarine paint job models can only use Ultramarine chapter tactics. My argument has nothing to do with competitive play. I don't care about that. And I know of no store that will let you "try the rules for free" before buying them. All books come shrink wrapped so that you cannot look inside. Most stores I've been to even have signs that read "If I hear a spine crack, you've just purchased the book that made the sound."

I personally have two fully painted armies, one white scars and one a custom color scheme, and I play them both mixed and as many different factions all the time.

In the stores around here they always have trial codexes open and they encourage people to "try before they buy". It's how they make a ton of sales.

We also spend a ton of time talking about different builds and strengths/weaknesses of different factions/SM chapters and people get hyped up on a certain build. I've never seen the sign you talk of and I'm sorry it's like that for you. It's way better here (in UK).

Even so, I know of no Marine player that doesn't play their chapter unless they have no other choice ie - their Chapter is so horrifically bad it's effectively unplayable. I literally know of no Ultramarine/White Scar/Raven Guard etc etc player that doesn't want to play their faction because it's the faction they've invested so much of their time in. They have a certain loyalty to their chapter. More so than most players of other factions I think. So your "problem" doesn't really exist in reality. I doubt there's many people who genuinely want or need to purchase each supplement.


Okay dude. Sure, you keep telling yourself that.

I don't know a single person that doesn't want to play each chapter and faction from their books. I know of no one so fanatically devoted to playing one specific thing over and over ad infinitum to the point of being that fanatical.


seems to me you guys just likely have differant mentalities in your metas.

thing is Space Marine players likely consist of 3 groups. the first group are people who like a specific chapter and wanna play that chapter. the second group like space marines over all but won't wanna commit to one chapter. the third group are the meta chasers who play whatever the OP FOTM is.


I would firmly plant my own flag in Camp 2 as it gives me the most content for my dollar. I look at it from a perspective of "Space marines is space marines" and the chapters are just different playstyles. Compared to other factions, that's why I like CSM/SM so much. You basically get like 12 armies from 2 books.


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 Carnikang wrote:
 Togusa wrote:

Okay dude. Sure, you keep telling yourself that.

I don't know a single person that doesn't want to play each chapter and faction from their books. I know of no one so fanatically devoted to playing one specific thing over and over ad infinitum to the point of being that fanatical.


You're a peach.

With all the rumors, I'm actually considering starting a wholly Black Templar army, because I think they're awesome. Maybe not the best rules-wise, or model-wise, or even morals-wise. But it's a game, and I like that faction. Which I want to play just that faction. Cause I don't really like 'Space Marines' as a whole.

Ignoring that, I understand what you mean. There definitely are people who want to play what's best, or try different combos from their codex, but they're not everyone. People are different, and just because you know no one who likes playing a specific build over and over, doesn't mean there isn't someone.... (also, is that fanaticism or is it just playing a comfortable/familiar build in a game you like?)


The fanaticism comes in when you have people from group one constantly insisting that the only reason someone might be in group 2 is because they want to game the meta all the time when for me this is not the case. When I play a video game, I don't like getting stuck in one specific build. Having the ability to change, test and try out new combinations, to use my models for new narrative stories is what I enjoy about the hobby.


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Post by: Kaiyanwang


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:

Be happy that you still have the awesome boy box.
The new kits might look awesome but 8guns for 10 dudes, or 8 pistol and melee weapons Starts to grind your gears rather fast.
Also the pricepoint.

Well the old boys kit was increased in price recently and I'm not a fan to be honest. They look like Instagram women sticking their butts out to me. I didn't realise boys were thicc from the lore.


You are now thinking of an entire Waagh of Orks twerking in unison.
You're welcome.

I like the boyz kit. I find the Boyz, Stormboyz, Lootas/Burnas, great and I love how interchangeable their bits are. Along with the bikes and the trukk crew they are the peak of the 40k Ork aethetics.
Also the pose I think is to recall a gorilla or some other ape. Orc-ish humanoids are often shown to be alike to apes in some old art, when not depicted to be more alike pigs or other animals.
For sure, Tankbustas and Warboss in Mega Armour are needed!


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Post by: CthuluIsSpy


I also like the boyz kit. You can make pretty much any infantry unit from it.
Hell, you can even make Nobz squads from it if you have enough Nob torsos.

A big mek on foot with KFF would be nice. I'd prefer if they released a Big mek box set with all of the bits in it, instead of the current nonsense where you have to buy a MANZ set to get a big mek, meaning that you now have 2 MANZ just sitting around.


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


The boys kit is about 20 years old is it not? There's nothing stopping GW making a new modular, flexible kit for them but updated. New does not have to mean monopose.


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Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The boys kit is about 20 years old is it not? There's nothing stopping GW making a new modular, flexible kit for them but updated. New does not have to mean monopose.


Yeah, but do you really think GW will design the new kit to be as versatile and conversion heavy? They would have caught on by now that you can basically make cheaper units out of the kit instead of buying their more expensive counterparts.


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Post by: Carlovonsexron


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The boys kit is about 20 years old is it not? There's nothing stopping GW making a new modular, flexible kit for them but updated. New does not have to mean monopose.


But it probably will; the design ethos in the studio currently is one that prefers to give dynamic and interesting poses at the cost of being monopose.


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


Well do the different Boys look all that different? Not really, not without conversion work that you could do to any model.

The level of detail is good for when it was developed but poor by today's standards.

In really don't understand the apparent negativity to the idea of a new boys kit apart from the obvious work for us all.


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Post by: Ghaz


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The boys kit is about 20 years old is it not? There's nothing stopping GW making a new modular, flexible kit for them but updated. New does not have to mean monopose.

It is, but the kit was modified at some point in it's lifetime as it originally had no heavy weapons on it's sprue.


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Post by: Morghot


The ork boyz are still one of the greatest kit and models from gw, we all agree but... but i really like to see some new products for them!

They are still awesome but lack some proportion in comparison with the recent release (big head, big hands, etc), for example the new buggies crew are much more correct under that point of view, the bloodbowl orcs too!

But the real cause for me its only that after 15years i wuold love some real new kit for them... new boyz and new Ghazghkull (which model is still great too, the model who made me love orks and 40k when i first saw the armageddon supplement 15 years ago) is my wet dream.


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Post by: Togusa


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The boys kit is about 20 years old is it not? There's nothing stopping GW making a new modular, flexible kit for them but updated. New does not have to mean monopose.


I just worry that mono-pose is becoming the trend. Orks are a really cool faction and even though I do not personally play them, I really see the appeal from both a hobby perspective and from a gaming perspective.


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


 Togusa wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The boys kit is about 20 years old is it not? There's nothing stopping GW making a new modular, flexible kit for them but updated. New does not have to mean monopose.


I just worry that mono-pose is becoming the trend. Orks are a really cool faction and even though I do not personally play them, I really see the appeal from both a hobby perspective and from a gaming perspective.


I wouldn't worry, I doubt we're getting new kits anyway to be honest but even if we do - a monopose kit has never been an issue for an Ork player to kitbash.


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Post by: Dysartes


I'm still surprised that Orks haven't gotten an in-store, plastic, ideally-with-weapon-options Deffkopta kit all these years after Assault on Black Reach.


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Post by: Not Online!!!


 Dysartes wrote:
I'm still surprised that Orks haven't gotten an in-store, plastic, ideally-with-weapon-options Deffkopta kit all these years after Assault on Black Reach.


Blackreach is the father of missing plastic kits

I also would've really like the chosen with options aswell as the Cultists from the box after blackreach.

But alas.


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Post by: Jidmah


I'm not. They are still a business and the AOBR koptas are everywhere.

Even if they were to release a minimal kit, it would cost ~25€, which would be just as much as the mini-AOBR box from Revell costs on amazon.

It's more likely that we see a new Ork Supa Boom Buzzblade than a box of koptas.


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The new models don't really support kit-bashing unless you glue the miniatures together and then saw them appart to re-arrange parts. And even then they will look wonky because each model has a different pose.

For plague marines or blightlord terminators, doing as much as putting an arm on a model which its not intended for is a major modeling project, leg swaps or just giving another guy the heavy weapon is difficult to do. Most pox walkers don't even have bits to swap.

Judging from the drivers and gunners on the buggies, that's exactly what a new boyz kit would look like - you can get 10 poses from the box, another 4 from ETB/paint sets and another four from a limited edition set that cost 60 bucks. So your entire updated Waaagh! (and every other ork army) would have 2-3 identical orks with the exact same pose and the same facial expresion in each unit.

So, no thanks. Update kommandoz and tank bustas instead, those already are mono-pose, nothing to lose there.


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Post by: Kaiyanwang


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Well do the different Boys look all that different? Not really, not without conversion work that you could do to any model.

The level of detail is good for when it was developed but poor by today's standards.

In really don't understand the apparent negativity to the idea of a new boys kit apart from the obvious work for us all.

If you take into account the fact that you can add heads from similar kits and from the trukk, PLUS all those metal jaws and possibly, if you still have them, from WHFB orcs, it's quite a lot of heads actually.
I agree that the SAME design with slightly more detail would be cool. It's not that necessary IMHO for the way people end up painting the orcs in most ways (and on both ends of the skill/time dedicated). Same with the nobz.
I prefer the AOBR warboss because is kinda more "square"? I guess, blunt if you wish, therefore more orky.
I think that if we want to predict how a boyz kit would be produced, we have to think about the pilots of the buggies. I suppose torsos and arms would fit more in that way than in the excellent modular (but as you imply, with drawbacks) current form.
EDIT: I see the poster above thought the same thing.


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Morghot wrote:
The ork boyz are still one of the greatest kit and models from gw, we all agree but... but i really like to see some new products for them!

They are still awesome but lack some proportion in comparison with the recent release (big head, big hands, etc), for example the new buggies crew are much more correct under that point of view, the bloodbowl orcs too!

But the real cause for me its only that after 15years i wuold love some real new kit for them... new boyz and new Ghazghkull (which model is still great too, the model who made me love orks and 40k when i first saw the armageddon supplement 15 years ago) is my wet dream.

I see your point but I would dislike proportions of the armor similar to the BB orcs for 40k orks. I would prefer slightly more futuristic (and adjusted nonetheless in the details) AoS ardboyz/ WHFB Black Orcs.


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Post by: Ogdred


I don't understand why GW doesn't expand upon the idea they have with the space marine upgrade sprues. The ork boyz kit is super flexible and is used for the basis of most infantry. So why not just sell upgrades for it? Instead of 4 lootas to a box (with 5 more identical boyz bodies) just sell us 10 loota accessories for the same price and then we have to buy the boyz kit for the bodies, or use some of the leftover bodies we have. It would also make expanding the range much easier. Want to re-introduce official 'ard boyz models? Just sell an upgrade hit. Skarboys? Tankbustas? Kommandos? All could just be upgrade kits that use the base boyz box.


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


Instead of looking to vehicles that aren't even infantry, perhaps a better indication of what could be done if GW redid the Boyz sprue can be found in the Ironjawz line. Particularly their infantry that, from what I have seen, is pretty modular and full of detail.


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Post by: MajorWesJanson


I'm wondering if after the sm supplements ND upgrade frames come out whether there will be chaos versions to cover the 5 non god aligned legions


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Post by: BrianDavion


 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'm wondering if after the sm supplements ND upgrade frames come out whether there will be chaos versions to cover the 5 non god aligned legions


could well be, If I was GW I'd give a priority to a Black Legion ad red corsairs upgrade sprue. as shoulderpads and helmets for the other legions at least can be aquired from forge world


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Post by: Not Online!!!


BrianDavion wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'm wondering if after the sm supplements ND upgrade frames come out whether there will be chaos versions to cover the 5 non god aligned legions


could well be, If I was GW I'd give a priority to a Black Legion ad red corsairs upgrade sprue. as shoulderpads and helmets for the other legions at least can be aquired from forge world

Feth no to black legion.
They got enough gak, give stuff to EC and WE if it really has to be.
Or RC, that i can agree on.


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Post by: MajorWesJanson


Not Online!!! wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'm wondering if after the sm supplements ND upgrade frames come out whether there will be chaos versions to cover the 5 non god aligned legions


could well be, If I was GW I'd give a priority to a Black Legion ad red corsairs upgrade sprue. as shoulderpads and helmets for the other legions at least can be aquired from forge world

Feth no to black legion.
They got enough gak, give stuff to EC and WE if it really has to be.
Or RC, that i can agree on.


I'm assuming emperors children and world eaters will get their own codices with new berserkers and noise marines as the core, like death guard and thousand sons. Thus they can skip basic upgrade frames.


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Post by: Oryza Sativa


 Eldarsif wrote:
 Oryza Sativa wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
I am kinda curious how 40k "Endless Spells" might end up being like. Fantasy has in my mind a much easier time doing such spells due to the innate fantasy of the setting. Therefore it is not weird to have a stampede of undead horses or a powered nuclear mushroom or a bleeding chalice of bones. The Endless Spells in AoS were also a way(at least with predatory spells) to affect the Double Turn. 40k spells of AoS diversity would be weird(except maybe for Orks) and currently there is no need to affect any double turns as there are none in 40k.


Back in 2nd edition there were a number of psychic powers and effects that remained on the battlefield. Vortex and Eldritch Storm come to mind immediately. Squats had a Force Dome power until they were squatted, IIRC; that could certainly be moved to Imperial Guard or some other Imperial army. This would be in line with the callbacks being made with releases like Genestealer Cult. It's not hard to imagine some kind of pestilent miasma cloud for Nurgle, walls of pink fire for Tzeentch, and so on. Tyranids/GC are perhaps a little trickier in terms of precedent, but I'm sure one could think of something. I could see these being given points values and made available for purchase on a 1-per-army basis or something like that (I don't know how Endless Spells actually function in AoS since I don't play it).


I remember those, but they were ultimately just templates with nice graphics and if you were to render those in 3D they would just be generic effects for the most part whereas AoS has galloping undead horses, skeleton chalice filled with blood, Demonic portal holding hand, and so on. Basically I fear that if they go the Endless Spell route it would just be one nuclear blast after another and if they were to go more the fantasy route it would look silly in the 40k setting.

/snip


There are several Endless Spells that used to just be simple templates in Fantasy, or not even a template. Purple Sun used to be a blast template and now it's a spiky flying skull. Burning Head used to just be a simple Smite-like blast. The Comet used to just be a marker with a countdown timer. There's no reason why 40k powers can't be similarly modified. Vortex could have crackling energy flying off it. Eldritch Storm could be a whirlwind of power like Celestian Vortex or Warp Lightning Vortex. And it's not like all the Endless Spells are particularly creative; Scuttletide doesn't differ significantly from a base of Swarm units in the old Fantasy parlance. Heck, that could be one of the Tyranid powers, some kind of Larval Catalyst that infests enemy units with rapid-hatching grubs that burst out and then form a zone of chittering fleshworms on the table.


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Post by: Albino Squirrel


Foot of Gork. They could make two feet, and have them walk around on the battlefield.


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Post by: BrianDavion


 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'm wondering if after the sm supplements ND upgrade frames come out whether there will be chaos versions to cover the 5 non god aligned legions


could well be, If I was GW I'd give a priority to a Black Legion ad red corsairs upgrade sprue. as shoulderpads and helmets for the other legions at least can be aquired from forge world

Feth no to black legion.
They got enough gak, give stuff to EC and WE if it really has to be.
Or RC, that i can agree on.


I'm assuming emperors children and world eaters will get their own codices with new berserkers and noise marines as the core, like death guard and thousand sons. Thus they can skip basic upgrade frames.


ditto me too. the reason I said RC and BL is because I can't go to forge world and order a BL ro RC shoulderpad set, I can do that for every other legion. thus the demand is proably highest.


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Post by: Ghaz


From the Warhammer TV Facebook page:



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Post by: Kanluwen


Tastyfish wrote:
Or Thursday at 1AM...

8pm Eastern US means tomorrow, not our problem you're ahead of us.


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Post by: skullking


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Foot of Gork. They could make two feet, and have them walk around on the battlefield.


Good god!

Just a Monty Python-esque Giant ork foot (or two) would be AMAZING! I feel like you could use it in AoS somewhere also. Just make it out of foam rubber, or plush, so you can actually set it on the minis (well, resin ones would still break... ) People would love that.

GW would need a giant version to step on people at Warhammer world for selfies.


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Post by: Jidmah


We have the fist of gork now though, so it might als be a huge flying fist


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Post by: AdmiralHalsey


I'm going to bet it's not Endless Spells.

Then check back here after work to see if I won.


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Post by: Latro_


My prediction is a new campaign book, battles in the cicatrix maledictum with new terrain that does weird psychic stuff. missions, weird battlefield conditions and imbuing all models regardless of race with powers (or making them immune to the negative effects of said terrain/conditions).


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Post by: Danny76


AdmiralHalsey wrote:
I'm going to bet it's not Endless Spells.

Then check back here after work to see if I won.


I have thought it won’t be all along.
I get why people would think it, but it is one of those things where one person says “ it could be/bet it is this” and it just gains traction.

New campaign book. Best guess.

However, I’m not counting out Endless style powers, as I could see why they would. Money wise. Business wise should I say


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Post by: Darth Bob


Don't know if it's been mentioned, but in the Psychic Awakening animated trailer, the ships flying in the background are Black Templar ships. Could lend some credence to this rumor.


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Post by: BrianDavion


 Darth Bob wrote:
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but in the Psychic Awakening animated trailer, the ships flying in the background are Black Templar ships. Could lend some credence to this rumor.


it could but it might be reading too much into it, the fleet in the background is supposed to be aprt of the crusade fleet so the artist may have just thought "ohh crusade fleet, black templars!"


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Post by: phillv85


They have been dropping incredibly subtle hints through warcom recently though. I’d love it to be true.


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Post by: BrianDavion


phillv85 wrote:
They have been dropping incredibly subtle hints through warcom recently though. I’d love it to be true.


I just try to be skepitcal. hope is the first step on the road to dissappointment and all.

truthfully I just hope if they do do a Black templar box they don't put a ton of iconography on the minis.


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Post by: Sunny Side Up


BrianDavion wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
They have been dropping incredibly subtle hints through warcom recently though. I’d love it to be true.


I just try to be skepitcal. hope is the first step on the road to dissappointment and all.

truthfully I just hope if they do do a Black templar box they don't put a ton of iconography on the minis.


Well, depends.

Assuming it's not a fake rumour to begin with, it could just be a box similar to the Space Wolves vs. Genestealer Cult one, e.g. a bunch of regular Primaris with one BT-specific character and a couple of BT-specific upgrade sprues.


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Post by: Geifer


Sunny Side Up wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
They have been dropping incredibly subtle hints through warcom recently though. I’d love it to be true.


I just try to be skepitcal. hope is the first step on the road to dissappointment and all.

truthfully I just hope if they do do a Black templar box they don't put a ton of iconography on the minis.


Well, depends.

Assuming it's not a fake rumour to begin with, it could just be a box similar to the Space Wolves vs. Genestealer Cult one, e.g. a bunch of regular Primaris with one BT-specific character and a couple of BT-specific upgrade sprues.


If Black Templars get something, I'm inclined to believe the whole thing will go as follows:

GW releases the supplements for Iron Hands and Raven Guard with their respective characters and upgrade sprues while at the same time getting the rest of the Vanguard Marines out of the way. That'll be, say, by the end of the month.

Then another month later we'll see Salamanders and Imperial Fists (that contains rules for Black Templars but only comes with the Imperial Fists upgrade sprue that doubles for Crimson Fists, and a Fists character) supplements and instead of regular Marine boxes we'll get something Templar specific, like a primaisized Crusader Squad and an Emperor's Champion to lead them in a boxed set.

That way GW would get out two supplements and a load of Marine kits with each release window, and it would explain why the Vanguard release was split up.


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


I think this rumour has slightly more credence with the psychic awakening trailer/announcement that, admittedly told us little but a few things stood out to me.

1. Orks and specifically "the Beast" were mentioned.
2. Black Templar ships featured in the trailer.
3. The article regarding psychic awakening states that there will be new models as part of the campaign and we know those models may be infantry as the first release is plastic banshees.
4. The two month release schedule for the SM codex supplements seems correct.
5. Though potentially obvious with all the hints, Shrike was indeed the Raven Guard character to be "Primaris-ised".

All in all I think the items above bode well for the legitimacy of this rumour, though it will need to be taken with a pinch of salt until we know more.


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Post by: Kanluwen


I wouldn't immediately lend credence to the rumor simply because Shrike got to cross the Rubicon.
Who else was it going to be, Korvydae?

The "two month release schedule" for the Marine supplements is still up in the air. We've literally gotten one set of the supplements, and we're still waiting on a good chunk of the stuff showcased for the Marine book to get released(Eliminators, Impulsor, Reiver Lt, and Incursor/Infiltrator kits) much less the supplements to get announced.


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Post by: Eiríkr


Regarding Ghazghkull, I've noticed that the model at Warhammer World (my local) has been conspicuously absent for the past couple of months. It was there during Orktober, and I haven't seen him since Spring. Just a little something I suppose...


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Post by: Voss


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I think this rumour has slightly more credence with the psychic awakening trailer/announcement that, admittedly told us little but a few things stood out to me.

1. Orks and specifically "the Beast" were mentioned.
2. Black Templar ships featured in the trailer.
3. The article regarding psychic awakening states that there will be new models as part of the campaign and we know those models may be infantry as the first release is plastic banshees.
4. The two month release schedule for the SM codex supplements seems correct.
5. Though potentially obvious with all the hints, Shrike was indeed the Raven Guard character to be "Primaris-ised".

All in all I think the items above bode well for the legitimacy of this rumour, though it will need to be taken with a pinch of salt until we know more.


So you think this box (and the banshee) are related to the psychic awakening? That seems a stretch to me. They struck me as unrelated.
BT and psychics are non-mixy things, and unless the boxed set has a lot of weird boys. (Or Warpheadz or weirdboy tower battle wagon) there isn't a lot going on for a psychic awakening tie in.

4) not sure of the relevance here. Until the next supplements drop, there's nothing to support a 2 month cycle. A boxed set doesn't suggest or discredit it.
5) RG don't exactly have anyone else. Same with the other chapters- expect Lysander, Pedro, Vulkan and well, somebody new (iron father whomever)


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Post by: Tastyfish


 Eiríkr wrote:
Regarding Ghazghkull, I've noticed that the model at Warhammer World (my local) has been conspicuously absent for the past couple of months. It was there during Orktober, and I haven't seen him since Spring. Just a little something I suppose...


Whilst it's hard to believe that they wouldn't doing an upscaled version of him in plastic, I'd have thought him disappearing from the displays would indicate that the model has been taken out for photography.

With all the other throwback stuff we've had recently, I wonder if we'll a return of the Enslavers as part of the psychic awakening.


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't immediately lend credence to the rumor simply because Shrike got to cross the Rubicon.
Who else was it going to be, Korvydae?

None of their characters is the answer to your question.

Voss wrote:
So you think this box (and the banshee) are related to the psychic awakening? That seems a stretch to me. They struck me as unrelated.

The Banshees at least are absolutely related, the rune at the end of the psychic awakening video was the Banshee rune. Why do you think the box is unrelated?

Voss wrote:
BT and psychics are non-mixy things, and unless the boxed set has a lot of weird boys. (Or Warpheadz or weirdboy tower battle wagon) there isn't a lot going on for a psychic awakening tie in.

BT could be given all manner of anti-psyker units but I don't think that's necessarily going to be the case. Psychic awakening is a campaign and GW have stated that factions will be getting new rules and some will get new models. I think people are taking the psychic awakening a little too literally. It is the name of the campaign and though I'm sure it relates to some in-game lore regarding psykers becoming much more prevalent (and that being a problem for the IOM), I don't think it literally means new psychic units for all armies.

Voss wrote:
4) not sure of the relevance here. Until the next supplements drop, there's nothing to support a 2 month cycle. A boxed set doesn't suggest or discredit it.

The same person who provided the rumour that there'd be a BT vs Ork box and a new Ghazzy also stated that there would be a 2 month cycle of SM releases. So far that seems accurate. Did you watch the video in the OP? It might answer some of your questions.
Voss wrote:
5) RG don't exactly have anyone else. Same with the other chapters- expect Lysander, Pedro, Vulkan and well, somebody new (iron father whomever)

Again, GW may not have updated any character. I don't believe they've stated they're going to?


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Post by: Kanluwen


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't immediately lend credence to the rumor simply because Shrike got to cross the Rubicon.
Who else was it going to be, Korvydae?

None of their characters is the answer to your question.

By that logic, Khan didn't have to be Primarised.

But either way, if someone was going to hedge their bets...why wouldn't they use the guy who literally got promoted to Chapter Master in the lore?

Voss wrote:
4) not sure of the relevance here. Until the next supplements drop, there's nothing to support a 2 month cycle. A boxed set doesn't suggest or discredit it.

The same person who provided the rumour that there'd be a BT vs Ork box and a new Ghazzy also stated that there would be a 2 month cycle of SM releases. So far that seems accurate. Did you watch the video in the OP? It might answer some of your questions.

How exactly does "a 2 month cycle of SM releases" seem to have been accurate?

From my understanding, it was that there would be 2 months between supplements not "2 months with all the supplements".
So far, with the releases we've seen and a few tidbits that are known? Neither understanding of that "2 months" window seems to have worked.
August 10th(preorder date) was Ultramarines and White Scars--released on the 17th.
Since then, we had exactly one more bit of Marines and that was the Invictor, Phobos Captain+Librarian, and the Lieutenant that's basically "Ultramarines".

September 21st is already effectively known, since that is when the Beastgrave novel goes up for preorder--meaning that's a week that will be extremely unlikely to have Marines.

Voss wrote:
5) RG don't exactly have anyone else. Same with the other chapters- expect Lysander, Pedro, Vulkan and well, somebody new (iron father whomever)

Again, GW may not have updated any character. I don't believe they've stated they're going to?

The Ascended bit in the Marine codex begs to differ with you.


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


 Kanluwen wrote:
By that logic, Khan didn't have to be Primarised.

But either way, if someone was going to hedge their bets...why wouldn't they use the guy who literally got promoted to Chapter Master in the lore?

Khan didn't have to be Primarised. To my knowledge, no one guessed that he would be either.

If I were a betting man who decided to make up a rumour and guess all of the most logical things GW would do, I suppose Shrike would have been my guess. Though I don't think it was guaranteed or even likely that any other chapter would be getting new character models.
How exactly does "a 2 month cycle of SM releases" seem to have been accurate?

You missed a key few words from my sentence; "so far".

From my understanding, it was that there would be 2 months between supplements not "2 months with all the supplements".
So far, with the releases we've seen and a few tidbits that are known? Neither understanding of that "2 months" window seems to have worked.
August 10th(preorder date) was Ultramarines and White Scars--released on the 17th.
Since then, we had exactly one more bit of Marines and that was the Invictor, Phobos Captain+Librarian, and the Lieutenant that's basically "Ultramarines".

September 21st is already effectively known, since that is when the Beastgrave novel goes up for preorder--meaning that's a week that will be extremely unlikely to have Marines.

Have you watched the video in the OP? The rumour source says approximately 2 months between supplement books that would come in pairs. Not sure of the rest of your point.
The Ascended bit in the Marine codex begs to differ with you.

Care to elaborate on this incredibly vague statement? I'm talking about GW stating they're going to update characters. Not a bit of fluffy lore in a codex.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
If you don't want to believe the rumour Kanluwen then don't. I'm not sure why you're so against the possibility of it being true though.


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Post by: Voss


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Voss wrote:
So you think this box (and the banshee) are related to the psychic awakening? That seems a stretch to me. They struck me as unrelated.

The Banshees at least are absolutely related, the rune at the end of the psychic awakening video was the Banshee rune. Why do you think the box is unrelated?

Oddly enough, I don't recognize eldar runes on sight.
They had a brief video of an inquisitor whining about psychic awakening, then previewed a whole slew of stuff that had nothing to do with the campaign. Most of it wasn't even 40k. The banshee looked like one random thing in a laundry list of random things.

Voss wrote:
BT and psychics are non-mixy things, and unless the boxed set has a lot of weird boys. (Or Warpheadz or weirdboy tower battle wagon) there isn't a lot going on for a psychic awakening tie in.

BT could be given all manner of anti-psyker units but I don't think that's necessarily going to be the case. Psychic awakening is a campaign and GW have stated that factions will be getting new rules and some will get new models. I think people are taking the psychic awakening a little too literally. It is the name of the campaign and though I'm sure it relates to some in-game lore regarding psykers becoming much more prevalent (and that being a problem for the IOM), I don't think it literally means new psychic units for all armies.

Great? My point was a boxed set is just another random GW boxed set. They don't exactly have much depth. Just cheap starters to pull people into army purchases.
If they want to tie it to 'psychic awakening' there are much better armies to choose.

Voss wrote:
4) not sure of the relevance here. Until the next supplements drop, there's nothing to support a 2 month cycle. A boxed set doesn't suggest or discredit it.

The same person who provided the rumour that there'd be a BT vs Ork box and a new Ghazzy also stated that there would be a 2 month cycle of SM releases. So far that seems accurate. Did you watch the video in the OP? It might answer some of your questions.

I didn't. No real reason to watch random guy's random rumours- the summary seemed on point enough to go on with.
But there is no 'so far that seems accurate,' so far none of the five things listed in the OP have come to pass- there isn't any indication he's right OR wrong. It's like predicting an election- until it actually happens, there isn't anything to judge accuracy against.


Voss wrote:
5) RG don't exactly have anyone else. Same with the other chapters- expect Lysander, Pedro, Vulkan and well, somebody new (iron father whomever)

Again, GW may not have updated any character. I don't believe they've stated they're going to?

Well they're 4 for 4 so far. (including the primaris IH techmarine). So... as predictions go, it seems pretty rational that they'll do the rest.
Each supplement release gets a character and an upgrade sprue. That's what the first two did, and what looks like the next two have the same pattern (the preview pics on WarCom clearly have IH upgrade sprues)


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


Voss wrote:
Oddly enough, I don't recognize eldar runes on sight.
They had a brief video of an inquisitor whining about psychic awakening, then previewed a whole slew of stuff that had nothing to do with the campaign. Most of it wasn't even 40k. The banshee looked like one random thing in a laundry list of random things

Well now you know they're related.

Great? My point was a boxed set is just another random GW boxed set. They don't exactly have much depth. Just cheap starters to pull people into army purchases.
If they want to tie it to 'psychic awakening' there are much better armies to choose.

All factions are going to have a focus in the psychic awakening campaign. I'm not sure you understand what this campaign is supposed to be to be honest. Not sure what 'better' armies there are to tie it to psychic awakening either. Orks and BT make perfect sense to me.

I didn't. No real reason to watch random guy's random rumours- the summary seemed on point enough to go on with.
But there is no 'so far that seems accurate,' so far none of the five things listed in the OP have come to pass- there isn't any indication he's right OR wrong. It's like predicting an election- until it actually happens, there isn't anything to judge accuracy against.

You should probably watch the video. My summary is exactly that and without some of the details you are missing nuance. I believe the video also mentions Shrike getting a Primaris upgrade which is correct and has happened. It also looks like Raven Guard at least are the next supplement.

Also Kirioth (the video source) has been fed a fair few rumours that have been absolutely on point - he named all of the Ork Buggies before GW gave their names, this particular source also fed him information on Blackstone Fortress that turned out to be true (as he states in the video).

Listen I have no stake in whether you believe these rumours or not. I genuinely don't care. I would recommend if you want to discuss the validity of the rumour however that you actually explore it in detail (at least watch the video, that is linked in the OP).


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Post by: bullyboy


wow, another week without a marine release for the missing units and additional supplements. Lame.


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Post by: Crimson


 bullyboy wrote:
wow, another week without a marine release for the missing units and additional supplements. Lame.

Really? This sucks.


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Post by: BrianDavion


 Crimson wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
wow, another week without a marine release for the missing units and additional supplements. Lame.

Really? This sucks.


it's gotten past the point of sucking and into the realm of outright annoying. no other codex has had to deal with that. for feth's sake GW put out these new minis already, you previewed them as part of this release.


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Post by: PiñaColada


Yeah, it's starting to get a bit annoying at this point. I guess Shrike (and the rest of RG & IH presumably) will, at the earliest, drop on the 21st. To be completely honest I'm not sure if we get all the supplements this year.

They told us psychic awakening was after Shrike so I'm guessing that's between the second and third batch of supplements. Then the SoB box is in November which will probably bleed into the next month and besides, December is often a lot of battleforces. This isn't even counting AoS and they're getting a new army during all this.


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Post by: DanielFM


This sucks so bad it's "put metal Dreadnought on a sock and go on a rampage through Warhammer World" level.
We can't play legal Space Marine armies after a month. We can't plan our armies properly as the remaining supplements (4/6) could heavily alter which units works best for each Chapter.
We have to swallow several specialist games shenanigans, Sororitas, Psychic Awakening, and probably a whole new AoS army before we get to play our armies properly. Great job GW.


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Post by: Kanluwen


PiñaColada wrote:
Yeah, it's starting to get a bit annoying at this point. I guess Shrike (and the rest of RG & IH presumably) will, at the earliest, drop on the 21st. To be completely honest I'm not sure if we get all the supplements this year.

They told us psychic awakening was after Shrike so I'm guessing that's between the second and third batch of supplements. Then the SoB box is in November which will probably bleed into the next month and besides, December is often a lot of battleforces. This isn't even counting AoS and they're getting a new army during all this.

The 21st is Beastgrave.


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Post by: Voss


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Great? My point was a boxed set is just another random GW boxed set. They don't exactly have much depth. Just cheap starters to pull people into army purchases.
If they want to tie it to 'psychic awakening' there are much better armies to choose.

All factions are going to have a focus in the psychic awakening campaign. I'm not sure you understand what this campaign is supposed to be to be honest. Not sure what 'better' armies there are to tie it to psychic awakening either. Orks and BT make perfect sense to me.

... psychics. Its rather in the name, and you've just used the word three times.

Better starter armies for a psychic campaign:
tzeentch anything, grey knights, craftworld eldar, nids.
But honestly pretty much anything that isn't 'guys with no psykers ever' and 'an army at random with exactly one psyker.' Hence why it looked unrelated

Other options for psychic awakening: Undeveloped armies: things like LotD with rogue psykers (and something to use all these cultists, renegades and weird chaos bobbins we've been getting), Hereticus inquisitors and Sisters.

Plus there's lots of fodder for units for 'all armies' like redoing the sanctioned psyker squads in plastic (and more than one sculpt), Pariahs, chaos sorcerers, etc.

I didn't. No real reason to watch random guy's random rumours- the summary seemed on point enough to go on with.
But there is no 'so far that seems accurate,' so far none of the five things listed in the OP have come to pass- there isn't any indication he's right OR wrong. It's like predicting an election- until it actually happens, there isn't anything to judge accuracy against.

You should probably watch the video. My summary is exactly that and without some of the details you are missing nuance. I believe the video also mentions Shrike getting a Primaris upgrade which is correct and has happened. It also looks like Raven Guard at least are the next supplement.

Also Kirioth (the video source) has been fed a fair few rumours that have been absolutely on point - he named all of the Ork Buggies before GW gave their names, this particular source also fed him information on Blackstone Fortress that turned out to be true (as he states in the video).

Listen I have no stake in whether you believe these rumours or not. I genuinely don't care. I would recommend if you want to discuss the validity of the rumour however that you actually explore it in detail (at least watch the video, that is linked in the OP).

I don't think I will, thanks.
I care about what kits are coming out, not any supposed 'nuance.' If they aren't summary worthy I doubt they're important.

Some guy has claims about a starter box contents, and various SM things are happening is clear enough.


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Post by: Tastyfish


DanielFM wrote:
This sucks so bad it's "put metal Dreadnought on a sock and go on a rampage through Warhammer World" level.
We can't play legal Space Marine armies after a month. We can't plan our armies properly as the remaining supplements (4/6) could heavily alter which units works best for each Chapter.
We have to swallow several specialist games shenanigans, Sororitas, Psychic Awakening, and probably a whole new AoS army before we get to play our armies properly. Great job GW.


Psychic awakening is going to be the focus for the next year or so of 40K - something akin to the Soulwars in Age of Sigmar on a grander scale with 5 or so different warzones and mini-releases for the factions involved in each one.
It doesn't look like it's a smaller add on like Malign sorcery expansion for Age of Sigmar, despite the obvious surface similarity around 'wizards'.


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Post by: Not Online!!!


DanielFM wrote:
This sucks so bad it's "put metal Dreadnought on a sock and go on a rampage through Warhammer World" level.
We can't play legal Space Marine armies after a month. We can't plan our armies properly as the remaining supplements (4/6) could heavily alter which units works best for each Chapter.
We have to swallow several specialist games shenanigans, Sororitas, Psychic Awakening, and probably a whole new AoS army before we get to play our armies properly. Great job GW.


Pathetic, anything less then the old steamtank is pathetic.


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Post by: An Actual Englishman


Voss wrote:
[... psychics. Its rather in the name, and you've just used the word three times.

Better starter armies for a psychic campaign:
tzeentch anything, grey knights, craftworld eldar, nids.
But honestly pretty much anything that isn't 'guys with no psykers ever' and 'an army at random with exactly one psyker.' Hence why it looked unrelated

Other options for psychic awakening: Undeveloped armies: things like LotD with rogue psykers (and something to use all these cultists, renegades and weird chaos bobbins we've been getting), Hereticus inquisitors and Sisters.

Plus there's lots of fodder for units for 'all armies' like redoing the sanctioned psyker squads in plastic (and more than one sculpt), Pariahs, chaos sorcerers, etc.


It has become pretty clear during this discussion that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The campaign isn't just "more psykers for psychic armies lolol", did you even read the GW article because I find your utter lack of understanding of this campaign incredible if you have.

Psychic Awakening is the mechanism to justify a new, galaxy-wide campaign. Just as Vigilus was the mechanism to justify the prior campaign. GW have literally stated that all factions will get new rules and some will get new models.

Since you haven't watched the video you are saying things that make no sense because you are making assumptions. No one said this was a starter box for psychic awakening. It doesn't mean there's absolutely no link though.

I don't think I will, thanks.
I care about what kits are coming out, not any supposed 'nuance.' If they aren't summary worthy I doubt they're important.

Some guy has claims about a starter box contents, and various SM things are happening is clear enough.


The only person to claim anything about a starter box contents is you, ironically. If you're only interested in "what kits are coming out", you're probably best off staying away from a thread explicitly concerning rumours (it's in the title).


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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl


DanielFM wrote:
We have to swallow several specialist games shenanigans, Sororitas, Psychic Awakening, and probably a whole new AoS army before we get to play our armies properly. Great job GW.

Boohoo poor marines players have “swallow Sororitas” before “playing their armies properly”, makes me wanna cry, clearly GW should have delayed the Sisters yet again to make room for the SM extra stuff.
Not.




An Actual Englishman really wants to believe lol.


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Post by: Voss


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Voss wrote:
[... psychics. Its rather in the name, and you've just used the word three times.

Better starter armies for a psychic campaign:
tzeentch anything, grey knights, craftworld eldar, nids.
But honestly pretty much anything that isn't 'guys with no psykers ever' and 'an army at random with exactly one psyker.' Hence why it looked unrelated

Other options for psychic awakening: Undeveloped armies: things like LotD with rogue psykers (and something to use all these cultists, renegades and weird chaos bobbins we've been getting), Hereticus inquisitors and Sisters.

Plus there's lots of fodder for units for 'all armies' like redoing the sanctioned psyker squads in plastic (and more than one sculpt), Pariahs, chaos sorcerers, etc.


It has become pretty clear during this discussion that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The campaign isn't just "more psykers for psychic armies lolol", did you even read the GW article because I find your utter lack of understanding of this campaign incredible if you have.

Psychic Awakening is the mechanism to justify a new, galaxy-wide campaign. Just as Vigilus was the mechanism to justify the prior campaign. GW have literally stated that all factions will get new rules and some will get new models.

Since you haven't watched the video you are saying things that make no sense because you are making assumptions. No one said this was a starter box for psychic awakening. It doesn't mean there's absolutely no link though.


It either is or isn't. Waffling about it now seems ridiculous.

I don't think I will, thanks.
I care about what kits are coming out, not any supposed 'nuance.' If they aren't summary worthy I doubt they're important.

Some guy has claims about a starter box contents, and various SM things are happening is clear enough.


The only person to claim anything about a starter box contents is you, ironically. If you're only interested in "what kits are coming out", you're probably best off staying away from a thread explicitly concerning rumours (it's in the title).


I listed possible examples that could tie in. You claim this is a trustworthy guy who says it -IS- BT vs orks. That's a claim about contents.

My claim is YOU can't prove that his claims are validated when none the five listed things have happened yet. And that the other chapters will obviously get primarized versions of their single character models. (because why stop half-way through?)

GW's own previews have established what's coming for supplements- more books, more primarized characters, more chapter sprues


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Post by: Sunny Side Up


I think GW just did it so they can screenshot this thread about everybody complaining about not enough Marine releases . ....


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Post by: H.B.M.C.


Maybe we're looking at it wrong. Maybe the next character to pass through the Rubicon Primaris will be Ghazghkull?



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Post by: Crazyterran


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe we're looking at it wrong. Maybe the next character to pass through the Rubicon Primaris will be Ghazghkull?



*Cawl takes out a check list*

Bigger than an average Human? *checks*

Powered Armour? *checks*

Impractical Close Combat weapon? *checks*

Metal built into his head in some form? *checks*

Angry sounding? *checks*

Alright, lets start the surgery!


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Post by: BrianDavion


 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
DanielFM wrote:
We have to swallow several specialist games shenanigans, Sororitas, Psychic Awakening, and probably a whole new AoS army before we get to play our armies properly. Great job GW.

Boohoo poor marines players have “swallow Sororitas” before “playing their armies properly”, makes me wanna cry, clearly GW should have delayed the Sisters yet again to make room for the SM extra stuff.
Not.




as someone who actually wants a sisters army it's a bit annoying that they're dragging marines out for so long as it runs the risk of my not having the new marine stuff done by time sisters comes out


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


Eh, I am rapidly approaching just ignoring the rest of this release altogether. Enthusiasm is waning. They had their hooks in me before, things have changed. I am looking at fun stuff to do with my existing models rather than getting new kits at this point.

Congrats, GW, you pissed this one down your leg.


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Post by: BrianDavion


the delay in releasing the infiltrator/incursor boxes are especially abffling these are TROOPS. they're supposed to form the core of an army. had they released them early people might have gone out and purchased eneugh to make an entire vanguard battle company. won't happen now.


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Post by: Kanluwen


 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
DanielFM wrote:
We have to swallow several specialist games shenanigans, Sororitas, Psychic Awakening, and probably a whole new AoS army before we get to play our armies properly. Great job GW.

Boohoo poor marines players have “swallow Sororitas” before “playing their armies properly”, makes me wanna cry, clearly GW should have delayed the Sisters yet again to make room for the SM extra stuff.
Not.

I mean this in the nicest way possible, but frankly you're being a little bit petty.

Yes, it's taken awhile for Sisters to get released. But we know they're coming out in November with the boxed set. We don't, however, have any real clue whatsoever when the remaining four supplements with characters and Chapter specific Stratagems come out.

Or when the remaining four Marine kits(Infiltrators/Incursors, Impulsors, Eliminators, and the Reiver Lieutenant that finish out the dang basic codex will come out.

And bluntly, you'd be in here complaining no matter how things shake out. So maybe I should just hope the same thing happens to you, with the Codex parted out into supplements and a release schedule that is incredibly stretched out.

Because frankly, this should have been done the first week for most of it.
BrianDavion wrote:

as someone who actually wants a sisters army it's a bit annoying that they're dragging marines out for so long as it runs the risk of my not having the new marine stuff done by time sisters comes out

As someone who's waiting impatiently for the remaining Marine stuff, I wish they had just gotten it done.


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Post by: Sabotage!


Whoa.....seeing the Marine players whine about having to wait a matter of weeks/months is unreal.

Nevermind the Sisters players who haven't had new models/ a real book in about 20 years, the Eldar players who are still using finecast Aspects from the mid 90s, the Guard players whose basic infantry plastic kit is almost 20 years old and awful or all metal/FW resin and is impossible to expand but on the secondary market, the Ork players who have a very antiquated basic troop box, the Inquisition players who haven't even been able to field their army for several editions.....

I could keep going.....but my point is, I don't think anyone feels remotely bad for you.



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Post by: Quasistellar


Well now I definitely hope that all the sisters models in the collector's edition box can only be found there, and you won't be able to buy them in any other fashion for at least 6 months, lol


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Post by: Kanluwen


Sure, it's completely unreasonable for people to get annoyed when a release gets dragged out for a silly amount of time with no indication as to when to expect things.

Because that's what the Marine players are "whining" about. Sisters players know when their stuff is coming--it's November.

I have zero idea as to when Shrike, Infiltrators/Incursors, Impulsors, Eliminators, or the Reiver Lieutenant are coming out. That's what bugs me. You can call it "whining" if you want, but I would rather that they would have just gotten the damn releases done earlier so that we could get attention focused on someone else without the specter of "ugh, there's another Marine release in the middle of >insert other things here<".


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Post by: Togusa


 Kanluwen wrote:
Sure, it's completely unreasonable for people to get annoyed when a release gets dragged out for a silly amount of time with no indication as to when to expect things.

Because that's what the Marine players are "whining" about. Sisters players know when their stuff is coming--it's November.

I have zero idea as to when Shrike, Infiltrators/Incursors, Impulsors, Eliminators, or the Reiver Lieutenant are coming out. That's what bugs me. You can call it "whining" if you want, but I would rather that they would have just gotten the damn releases done earlier so that we could get attention focused on someone else without the specter of "ugh, there's another Marine release in the middle of >insert other things here<".


They said about two months total for all the marine releases didn't they? Jesus people, chill the feth out. Plastic toys, remember, they're just plastic toys.


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Post by: BrianDavion


this would be like sisters being previewed a bunch of stuff, getting their codex and a handful of new stuff (mostly expensive characters) and then... nothing, with no clue when the bulk of the new stuff they want is out. it is frustrating as it means people are in a holding pattern I think anyone would be frustrated if they where hyped at something being an imminant release and then the rleease wave was put on pause to sell.. random stuff. I mean... did we really need a new kill team box RIGHT NOW?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Togusa wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Sure, it's completely unreasonable for people to get annoyed when a release gets dragged out for a silly amount of time with no indication as to when to expect things.

Because that's what the Marine players are "whining" about. Sisters players know when their stuff is coming--it's November.

I have zero idea as to when Shrike, Infiltrators/Incursors, Impulsors, Eliminators, or the Reiver Lieutenant are coming out. That's what bugs me. You can call it "whining" if you want, but I would rather that they would have just gotten the damn releases done earlier so that we could get attention focused on someone else without the specter of "ugh, there's another Marine release in the middle of >insert other things here<".


They said about two months total for all the marine releases didn't they? Jesus people, chill the feth out. Plastic toys, remember, they're just plastic toys.


whose "they" because GW sure didn't. and it's one thing to drag out releasing the new supplements, but dragging out the minis is kiiinda frustrating.


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Post by: Kanluwen


 Togusa wrote:

They said about two months total for all the marine releases didn't they? Jesus people, chill the feth out. Plastic toys, remember, they're just plastic toys.

Games Workshop hasn't said anything about the Marine releases that I've seen.

There's just been rumors like the one in the OP, claiming "every two months".


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Post by: Voltan


 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
DanielFM wrote:
We have to swallow several specialist games shenanigans, Sororitas, Psychic Awakening, and probably a whole new AoS army before we get to play our armies properly. Great job GW.

Boohoo poor marines players have “swallow Sororitas” before “playing their armies properly”, makes me wanna cry, clearly GW should have delayed the Sisters yet again to make room for the SM extra stuff.
Not.




An Actual Englishman really wants to believe lol.


That’s not very tolerant.


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Post by: bullyboy


It's really not complicated. We know that more marines are coming before psychic awakening, and we know sisters are coming in November. I would personally like them to move the marine releases forward so that we can get engaged with awakening and the sisters release. It's not about wah, wah, where are my marines, it's more about let's wrap this release up and get to awakening and the new sisters? Pretty simple really.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Togusa wrote:

They said about two months total for all the marine releases didn't they? Jesus people, chill the feth out. Plastic toys, remember, they're just plastic toys.

Games Workshop hasn't said anything about the Marine releases that I've seen.

There's just been rumors like the one in the OP, claiming "every two months".
The rumors have been all over the place anyway.

It isn't like Marine players are being unreasonable wanting the kits to actually play the units in their codex. But whatever, people can call it whining if they want.


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Post by: Togusa


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Togusa wrote:

They said about two months total for all the marine releases didn't they? Jesus people, chill the feth out. Plastic toys, remember, they're just plastic toys.

Games Workshop hasn't said anything about the Marine releases that I've seen.

There's just been rumors like the one in the OP, claiming "every two months".


Okay, that helps. I had heard that from my local GW store guy, so I thought it was a real set in stone thing.


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Post by: Argive


 bullyboy wrote:
It's really not complicated. We know that more marines are coming before psychic awakening, and we know sisters are coming in November. I would personally like them to move the marine releases forward so that we can get engaged with awakening and the sisters release. It's not about wah, wah, where are my marines, it's more about let's wrap this release up and get to awakening and the new sisters? Pretty simple really.


And plastic banshees! We must forget about new plastic shiny banshees!!! (and possibly/hopefully other aspects)
Much frustrated with the filthy imperium taking their sweet time getting released while the noble and bestest xenos have to wait for their release spot!

I think it will be a case of 2 books each month and topping the year off with the sisters release followed up by the first campaign book or two.
That would be plenty of time and choice to extract ££££ from Christmas budgets.


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Post by: BrianDavion


 Argive wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
It's really not complicated. We know that more marines are coming before psychic awakening, and we know sisters are coming in November. I would personally like them to move the marine releases forward so that we can get engaged with awakening and the sisters release. It's not about wah, wah, where are my marines, it's more about let's wrap this release up and get to awakening and the new sisters? Pretty simple really.


And plastic banshees! We must forget about new plastic shiny banshees!!! (and possibly/hopefully other aspects)
Much frustrated with the filthy imperium taking their sweet time getting released while the noble and bestest xenos have to wait for their release spot!


noble and bestest xenos? Is GW putting out some dead Xenos base decorations? when was this announced?


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Post by: Sabotage!


BrianDavion wrote:
this would be like sisters being previewed a bunch of stuff, getting their codex and a handful of new stuff (mostly expensive characters) and then... nothing, with no clue when the bulk of the new stuff they want is out. it is frustrating as it means people are in a holding pattern I think anyone would be frustrated if they where hyped at something being an imminant release and then the rleease wave was put on pause to sell.. random stuff. I mean... did we really need a new kill team box RIGHT NOW?


The models missing from the general SM codex will be out shortly, there is almost no chance they will not. Probably before the end of the September, and definitely by the end of the year. Shrike will be released alongside the Raven Guard book. GW doesn't show off new stuff coming out and then not release it unless it's going to be relatively soon. They do this all the time with specialist games where they preview something without a release date at all, and they are almost always out within three months. I'm sure they will get released a lot faster than a Blood Bowl team would too as they are Space Marines and everyone and their mother buys them. When the first Blood Bowl book came out for the new edition only three of the seven teams were released alongside it. All the other teams people had to wait up to years for (Wood Elves). GW has never done this with 40k, excepting when they used to put things in the books that they didn't make models for, so I don't know why people are thinking otherwise?

Sisters is a bit of a different story as Sisters players have been waiting almost two decades for new models, as opposed to the few weeks people have been waiting since the Space Marine announcement.

As for the Kill Team box, it is really easy to package existing products that are already in the warehouse. Not to mention people have been asking for a new Kill Team starter since the last one sold out almost immediately after release, so I really don't see a problem with releasing it now.

I'm saying this as someone who doesn't play or collect 40k, Kill Team, Sisters, Marines, etc. The models will arrive shortly, that is almost a given. The new books? Well that one is a who knows, but I think it would have been a better use of GWs time to just add 20 pages and 5 USD to the new book with special relics, traits, characters, and doctrines for each founding chapter and avoid all this silly "every chapter need it's own book" nonsense.



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Post by: An Actual Englishman


Voss wrote:


GW's own previews have established what's coming for supplements- more books, more primarized characters, more chapter sprues

Please show me the GW previews showing more Primarised characters noting that this rumour was announced before Shrike was revealed and specifically called out Shrike as a Primarised character.

You can claim 'it was obvious it wuz gna be Shrike tho!!1' all you like but hindsight is 20/20.

I'm still not sure why you're here to be honest. The 5 things I have stated add validity to this rumour absolutely have happened, unfortunately your own lack of understanding has made you question this.


Voss wrote:

My claim is YOU can't prove that his claims are validated when none the five listed things have happened yet.
Here's my post again, for clarity. You might want to read it again if you think none of these things have happened. I've bolded and added a bit of text to help you understand why you're wrong a little easier.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I think this rumour has slightly more credence with the psychic awakening trailer/announcement that, admittedly told us little but a few things stood out to me.

1. Orks and specifically "the Beast" were mentioned. [Correct]
2. Black Templar ships featured in the trailer. [Correct]
3. The article regarding psychic awakening states that there will be new models as part of the campaign and we know those models may be infantry as the first release is plastic banshees. [Correct]
4. The two month release schedule for the SM codex supplements seems correct.
5. Though potentially obvious with all the hints, Shrike was indeed the Raven Guard character to be "Primaris-ised". [Correct]

All in all I think the items above bode well for the legitimacy of this rumour, though it will need to be taken with a pinch of salt until we know more.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 11:53:12


Post by: Fayric


I had a good chuckle when I read marine players lamenting their woes and unfortunate lot in life. A good joke to pass the time.

Then I realised it was actual marine players, and they were serious!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Eh, I am rapidly approaching just ignoring the rest of this release altogether. Enthusiasm is waning. They had their hooks in me before, things have changed. I am looking at fun stuff to do with my existing models rather than getting new kits at this point.

Congrats, GW, you pissed this one down your leg.


This is actually a good thing for you


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 13:24:52


Post by: shabbadoo


Might actually get some paint on those models then!

I know it has only been twelve years since Dire Avengers came out, and I know that the Eldar are just getting way too much attention, but if GW can just see it in their hearts to just make the FIFTEEN kits Eldar need to round out their list, then everyone can finally forget about Eldar and get back to doing what is important - pining for the 1,583rd Space Marine kit.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 13:33:44


Post by: Voss


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Voss wrote:


GW's own previews have established what's coming for supplements- more books, more primarized characters, more chapter sprues

Please show me the GW previews showing more Primarised characters noting that this rumour was announced before Shrike was revealed and specifically called out Shrike as a Primarised character.

You can claim 'it was obvious it wuz gna be Shrike tho!!1' all you like but hindsight is 20/20.

I'm still not sure why you're here to be honest. The 5 things I have stated add validity to this rumour absolutely have happened, unfortunately your own lack of understanding has made you question this.


Voss wrote:

My claim is YOU can't prove that his claims are validated when none the five listed things have happened yet.
Here's my post again, for clarity. You might want to read it again if you think none of these things have happened. I've bolded and added a bit of text to help you understand why you're wrong a little easier.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I think this rumour has slightly more credence with the psychic awakening trailer/announcement that, admittedly told us little but a few things stood out to me.

1. Orks and specifically "the Beast" were mentioned. [Correct]
2. Black Templar ships featured in the trailer. [Correct]
3. The article regarding psychic awakening states that there will be new models as part of the campaign and we know those models may be infantry as the first release is plastic banshees. [Correct]
4. The two month release schedule for the SM codex supplements seems correct.
5. Though potentially obvious with all the hints, Shrike was indeed the Raven Guard character to be "Primaris-ised". [Correct]

All in all I think the items above bode well for the legitimacy of this rumour, though it will need to be taken with a pinch of salt until we know more.


Wrong list of five things:
YOU in the OP wrote:. Marine supplements will be spaced roughly 2 months apart.
2. Iron Hands and Raven Guard next supplement releases apparently.
3. Every chapter will be getting an upgrade sprue.
4. Black Templars vs Orks next box set.
5. Ghazghkull is getting a new model.


1) 2 months between supplements? Don't know yet. Nothing 'seems to be on track' yet as we've yet to have the second batch of supplements. Hasn't happened yet
2) Sure. And when it happens we'll know for sure. RG seems obvious now, and IH was the foremost candidate as that IH primaris techmarine image has been floating around for months. Likely, but hasn't happened yet.
3) Obvious from the get go, given the IF ones back in December and the new ones for WS, and preview images for IH. So I guess technically you can claim this is in the process of happening
4) Hasn't happened yet, no supporting material to say it will.
5) Hasn't happened yet, no supporting material to say it will.

I've no idea why you're so bent out of shape that I'm pointing out the time proceeds in a linear fashion and nothing is confirmed until it happens, but whatever.

Though Shrike was pretty obvious as soon as they dug up Khan and took away his bike. Simple pattern recognition isn't hard either: supplement+primarized character+chapter sprue.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 13:48:54


Post by: tneva82


 Fayric wrote:
I had a good chuckle when I read marine players lamenting their woes and unfortunate lot in life. A good joke to pass the time.

Then I realised it was actual marine players, and they were serious!


Good thing they play marines and not non-marine faction where you can be lucky to get 1 model in 2 years time


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 14:01:38


Post by: JSG


Voss wrote:
I've no idea why you're so bent out of shape that I'm pointing out the time proceeds in a linear fashion and nothing is confirmed until it happens, but whatever.


Why you'd feel the need to point that out in the rumour section of Dakka though is anyone's guess.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 14:42:49


Post by: An Actual Englishman


Voss wrote:

I've no idea why you're so bent out of shape that I'm pointing out the time proceeds in a linear fashion and nothing is confirmed until it happens, but whatever.


Thanks for that. Who knew? Any more brilliant contributions to this thread?

Though Shrike was pretty obvious as soon as they dug up Khan and took away his bike. Simple pattern recognition isn't hard either: supplement+primarized character+chapter sprue.

I guess not.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 14:51:25


Post by: Inquisitor Kallus


If the box has Thraka then I imagine itd have Goff Orks. Then apparently the marines are BT? Two predomnantly black armies in the same box? Seems unlkely


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 14:58:38


Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl


 Kanluwen wrote:
Yes, it's taken awhile for Sisters to get released. But we know they're coming out in November with the boxed set. We don't, however, have any real clue whatsoever when the remaining four supplements with characters and Chapter specific Stratagems come out.

For decades we didn't have any clue when Sisters of Battle would come out. And when they were announced, we still had to wait for quite some time before getting any release date. We still don't have a release date for everything, just for the box. And it's been like, what, a year?
Call me back when you have waited for a year for your releases, marine.

 Kanluwen wrote:
And bluntly, you'd be in here complaining no matter how things shake out.

Well aren't you the one complaining here? About GW not releasing the marine kits fast enough, and about them not giving a release date?

 Kanluwen wrote:
So maybe I should just hope the same thing happens to you, with the Codex parted out into supplements and a release schedule that is incredibly stretched out.

Jokes on you then, because playing this game you won't get any new release for 15 years!

Quasistellar wrote:
Well now I definitely hope that all the sisters models in the collector's edition box can only be found there, and you won't be able to buy them in any other fashion for at least 6 months, lol

Wow, that's hard!
Well, I hope your rules (basic rules not subfaction rules) are only available in an old, unavailable White Dward for several years then! I know it's definitely not as bad, sure but it's something, right?

BrianDavion wrote:
this would be like sisters being previewed a bunch of stuff, getting their codex and a handful of new stuff (mostly expensive characters) and then... nothing, with no clue when the bulk of the new stuff they want is out.

Do you mean like, we would get new models, and a full codex? Where I come from we call that plenty lol .
Marines players, so out of touch.

BrianDavion wrote:
I mean... did we really need a new kill team box RIGHT NOW?

Did we really need TWO waves of primaris marines before new Sisters of Battle? Or was that THREE?


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 15:07:34


Post by: Kanluwen


FAQ wrote:Q. If I upgrade my Captain in Phobos Armour to be a Chapter Master, should the Infiltrator Comms Array still work with this model, and with its Chapter Master ability instead of Rites of Battle?
A: No.

What the hell are they thinking on this one?


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 15:08:13


Post by: SemperMortis


 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
If the box has Thraka then I imagine itd have Goff Orks. Then apparently the marines are BT? Two predomnantly black armies in the same box? Seems unlkely


One big mistake you are making. You seem to think that GW understands orkz and their rules/fluff. I use every Ork Box set as an example of them not knowing wtf they are doing I especially love our 2 brand new Apocalypse Box Sets. 3 Stompas (Because 1 isn't bad enough by itself) and 6 Kanz and 2 dreadz with a Big Mek and a little mek.

If Ghaz gets a new model he will be released with Blood Axes because reasons. Possibly with a Tau strikeforce as allies as well.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 15:21:39


Post by: bullyboy


Couple of big points in the FAQ....strats can't be used on DAs, BAs etc, even if SM detachment taken. White Scars WT Master of Snares cannot force a plane with minimum movement to crash and be destroyed. And finally addressed UM chapter tactic so that models with Fly do not get the -1 to hit after falling back.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 15:22:44


Post by: Latro_


Q: Which part of a Drop Pod should I measure distances from
and to, especially if the model has been assembled so its doors
can be opened or closed?
A: Measure all distances to and from any part of the
model, including its doors. If this model has been
assembled such that you can lower and raise its doors,
then when this model is first set up in the battlefield
choose whether the doors will be lowered or raised –
you cannot raise or lower the doors thereafter during
the battle.

haha hats awesome... so you can use a drop pod as a blocker OR if you need stuff in a place and your opponent is screening you can keep the doors up and have less of a footprint


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 15:27:47


Post by: casvalremdeikun


Hmm, Imperial Fists and Crimson Fists Infiltrators are actually pretty decent since those extra hits generate auto-wounds. Get them in the Tactical Doctrine and they can start laying down a lot of good firepower.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 15:36:28


Post by: An Actual Englishman


 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
If the box has Thraka then I imagine itd have Goff Orks. Then apparently the marines are BT? Two predomnantly black armies in the same box? Seems unlkely

The rumour source did not suggest that the new Thrakka model would be in the new box.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 15:40:30


Post by: JSG


 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
If the box has Thraka then I imagine itd have Goff Orks. Then apparently the marines are BT? Two predomnantly black armies in the same box? Seems unlkely


Ghaz won't be in the box. It'll be like the box with Abaddon rumour where there was a box and then Abaddon came out later but as part of the same overall release.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 15:47:14


Post by: Kanluwen


JSG wrote:
 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
If the box has Thraka then I imagine itd have Goff Orks. Then apparently the marines are BT? Two predomnantly black armies in the same box? Seems unlkely


Ghaz won't be in the box. It'll be like the box with Abaddon rumour where there was a box and then Abaddon came out later but as part of the same overall release.

At the same time, there is a possibility of Ghaz in the box.

The Blight War set for AoS came with Naeve Blacktalon and Horticulus Slimux, both named characters. Although Naeve's model is, sadly, also their "go to" for a Knight-Zephyros(which is a shame as the concept had some great potential for alternate builds).
Wrath and Rapture came with Karanak too.

Not saying it's a 100% guarantee, just that the possibility at least exists. A Grimaldus and Ghaz box with all new sculpts for both sides could be feasible ala Wrath and Rapture.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 16:09:33


Post by: An Actual Englishman


 Kanluwen wrote:
JSG wrote:
 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
If the box has Thraka then I imagine itd have Goff Orks. Then apparently the marines are BT? Two predomnantly black armies in the same box? Seems unlkely


Ghaz won't be in the box. It'll be like the box with Abaddon rumour where there was a box and then Abaddon came out later but as part of the same overall release.

At the same time, there is a possibility of Ghaz in the box.

The Blight War set for AoS came with Naeve Blacktalon and Horticulus Slimux, both named characters. Although Naeve's model is, sadly, also their "go to" for a Knight-Zephyros(which is a shame as the concept had some great potential for alternate builds).
Wrath and Rapture came with Karanak too.

Not saying it's a 100% guarantee, just that the possibility at least exists. A Grimaldus and Ghaz box with all new sculpts for both sides could be feasible ala Wrath and Rapture.

As much as I'd love this to be true, I just can't see it.

I think both Ghaz and Grim are too big as characters to be provided in a box. I reckon both will be separate. They're a cut above Karanak and Horticulus Slimux in terms of importance, representing the pinnacle of what it is to be their faction.


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Post by: PiñaColada


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
As much as I'd love this to be true, I just can't see it.

I think both Ghaz and Grim are too big as characters to be provided in a box. I reckon both will be separate. They're a cut above Karanak and Horticulus Slimux in terms of importance, representing the pinnacle of what it is to be their faction.

Well, that, but also big in size. I want Ghaz to be redemptor-sized damnit! Just give him 16 wounds and the ability to use ork boyz like a shield for incoming fire


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Post by: zend


PiñaColada wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
As much as I'd love this to be true, I just can't see it.

I think both Ghaz and Grim are too big as characters to be provided in a box. I reckon both will be separate. They're a cut above Karanak and Horticulus Slimux in terms of importance, representing the pinnacle of what it is to be their faction.

Well, that, but also big in size. I want Ghaz to be redemptor-sized damnit! Just give him 16 wounds and the ability to use ork boyz like a shield for incoming fire


Bring back Makari da banna waivuh, and make few new named grots to go with him and serve as ghazzy’s “elite honor guard”. Give them a 5+ armor save, give them extra Attacks that they won’t get to use anyways, and give them the grot shield strat as an aura that only affects ghazzy. All for like 2ppm more than normal grots.

It’d be funny as hell, butt if they do anything like that it’ll be expensive nob bodyguards, or a stratagem that lets him use boyz as shields too.


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Post by: PiñaColada


 zend wrote:
Bring back Makari da banna waivuh, and make few new named grots to go with him and serve as ghazzy’s “elite honor guard”. Give them a 5+ armor save, give them extra Attacks that they won’t get to use anyways, and give them the grot shield strat as an aura that only affects ghazzy. All for like 2ppm more than normal grots.

It’d be funny as hell, butt if they do anything like that it’ll be expensive nob bodyguards, or a stratagem that lets him use boyz as shields too.

Don't go wavin' around that name, I don't have any napkins nearby and it's considered odd to start crying on an online forum about toy soldiers


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Post by: Danny76


But less likely as they are big established characters (I.e. can charge £40/50 for him, and £15/20 for Grimaldus).
So wouldn’t want to stick it in a deal box.
(Same as the thing I say all the time when people wonder whether there will be a SC box with all the new units that come out, at release.) They just can make lots more doing it separate etc.


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Post by: JSG


Danny76 wrote:
But less likely as they are big established characters (I.e. can charge £40/50 for him, and £15/20 for Grimaldus).
So wouldn’t want to stick it in a deal box.
(Same as the thing I say all the time when people wonder whether there will be a SC box with all the new units that come out, at release.) They just can make lots more doing it separate etc.


Grimaldus is £25.50 already!


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Post by: zend


PiñaColada wrote:
 zend wrote:
Bring back Makari da banna waivuh, and make few new named grots to go with him and serve as ghazzy’s “elite honor guard”. Give them a 5+ armor save, give them extra Attacks that they won’t get to use anyways, and give them the grot shield strat as an aura that only affects ghazzy. All for like 2ppm more than normal grots.

It’d be funny as hell, butt if they do anything like that it’ll be expensive nob bodyguards, or a stratagem that lets him use boyz as shields too.

Don't go wavin' around that name, I don't have any napkins nearby and it's considered odd to start crying on an online forum about toy soldiers




You say that, but I’ve after reading posts from Space Marine players I think it’s okay to let out a few tears for poor Makari....


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 18:34:23


Post by: MajorWesJanson


If templars get a character in a box set, the most iconic and logical would be an emperors champion. Orks could use a wyrdboy boy in plastic .


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 19:18:43


Post by: xttz


They edited the Marine FAQ article and added this new PDF:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/warhammer_40000_space_marines_errata_en.pdf

It adds Angels of Death and Chaplain rules to various Index units


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Post by: tneva82


 Latro_ wrote:
Q: Which part of a Drop Pod should I measure distances from
and to, especially if the model has been assembled so its doors
can be opened or closed?
A: Measure all distances to and from any part of the
model, including its doors. If this model has been
assembled such that you can lower and raise its doors,
then when this model is first set up in the battlefield
choose whether the doors will be lowered or raised –
you cannot raise or lower the doors thereafter during
the battle.

haha hats awesome... so you can use a drop pod as a blocker OR if you need stuff in a place and your opponent is screening you can keep the doors up and have less of a footprint


It was first time like this in 7th ed. Got reworded fast as it proved to be mess. GW keeps flipping things back and forth. Can't they learn from their mistakes once?


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Post by: Not Online!!!


tneva82 wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
Q: Which part of a Drop Pod should I measure distances from
and to, especially if the model has been assembled so its doors
can be opened or closed?
A: Measure all distances to and from any part of the
model, including its doors. If this model has been
assembled such that you can lower and raise its doors,
then when this model is first set up in the battlefield
choose whether the doors will be lowered or raised –
you cannot raise or lower the doors thereafter during
the battle.

haha hats awesome... so you can use a drop pod as a blocker OR if you need stuff in a place and your opponent is screening you can keep the doors up and have less of a footprint


It was first time like this in 7th ed. Got reworded fast as it proved to be mess. GW keeps flipping things back and forth. Can't they learn from their mistakes once?


Now we just need an 500 pts handicap for marines in transport vehicles.....

I feel like this is appropriate:
https://images.app.goo.gl/RSGT8yBYNF7Z4vCP7


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Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Kanluwen wrote:
FAQ wrote:Q. If I upgrade my Captain in Phobos Armour to be a Chapter Master, should the Infiltrator Comms Array still work with this model, and with its Chapter Master ability instead of Rites of Battle?
A: No.

What the hell are they thinking on this one?
You presume that they were thinking when they answered that query.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 23:06:30


Post by: BrianDavion


Danny76 wrote:
But less likely as they are big established characters (I.e. can charge £40/50 for him, and £15/20 for Grimaldus).
So wouldn’t want to stick it in a deal box.
(Same as the thing I say all the time when people wonder whether there will be a SC box with all the new units that come out, at release.) They just can make lots more doing it separate etc.


grim'll cost what calgar costs


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 23:43:30


Post by: TedNugent


 xttz wrote:
They edited the Marine FAQ article and added this new PDF:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/warhammer_40000_space_marines_errata_en.pdf

It adds Angels of Death and Chaplain rules to various Index units


Only the Litany of Hate...

And it only activates on a 3+, effectively making this useless.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/02 23:58:35


Post by: Danny76


BrianDavion wrote:
Danny76 wrote:
But less likely as they are big established characters (I.e. can charge £40/50 for him, and £15/20 for Grimaldus).
So wouldn’t want to stick it in a deal box.
(Same as the thing I say all the time when people wonder whether there will be a SC box with all the new units that come out, at release.) They just can make lots more doing it separate etc.


grim'll cost what calgar costs


Yeah, I don’t know what they’re coming in at these days, I just threw up example/placeholder prices.
So Abaddon/Guilliman and then these other new Primaris named characters


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 00:02:30


Post by: Crimson


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
FAQ wrote:Q. If I upgrade my Captain in Phobos Armour to be a Chapter Master, should the Infiltrator Comms Array still work with this model, and with its Chapter Master ability instead of Rites of Battle?
A: No.

What the hell are they thinking on this one?
You presume that they were thinking when they answered that query.

Well, at least they read the rules. The answer is perfectly logical.


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Post by: OrkPlayer137


 xttz wrote:
They edited the Marine FAQ article and added this new PDF:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/warhammer_40000_space_marines_errata_en.pdf

It adds Angels of Death and Chaplain rules to various Index units


I was glad (and surprised) to see Angels of Death added to Index Imperium 1 units. It's a shame that the Chaplain on Bike rule is so limited without allowing for an extra new litany, like with other Chaplains, but I suppose it was just a minimal update to avoid breaking anything - only one Chaplain can use a particular litany at a time, so the Litany of Hate wouldn't have been usable by other Chaplains while the bike was on the board prior to this update.

The other thing I would have liked them to do is rename the Marneus Calgar datasheet in Index Imperium 1 to "Marneus Calgar in Armour of Antilochus". Otherwise the old terminator model is no longer usable, as his datasheet has been replaced with the new Primaris one, which has the same name. A similar renaming for the old Tigurius datasheet would be helpful too. It's not an odd situation where the even older Calgar model in Artificer armour is still usable because he had a datasheet with a different name, but the terminator model is not.


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Post by: casvalremdeikun


I am glad they made other Chapters that use things like Honour Guard and whatnot able to use them again. Same with my Rhino Primaris and Land Raider Excelsior.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 05:23:54


Post by: Slayer-Fan123


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am glad they made other Chapters that use things like Honour Guard and whatnot able to use them again. Same with my Rhino Primaris and Land Raider Excelsior.

Is that right? That a fantastic news for those using Honour Guard.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 05:29:54


Post by: casvalremdeikun


Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am glad they made other Chapters that use things like Honour Guard and whatnot able to use them again. Same with my Rhino Primaris and Land Raider Excelsior.

Is that right? That a fantastic news for those using Honour Guard.
Yup. They updated several Index units. Our Honour Guard will still have to pay the old points though.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 06:44:46


Post by: An Actual Englishman


Why are you talking about the FAQ in this thread concerning rumours and when there is another thread specifically for FAQ discussion?


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 07:02:52


Post by: Kroem


My concern with this rumour is that GW have been rather hit and miss with their new sculpts and Ghazz already has a great looking model.
If any new models come out looking as good as the new Chaos marines then great, but I'm still worried about them changing the ork boys kit which imo is one of the best looking kits they have ever produced for 40k.

Also I love converting and they seem to love to make new models as hard to convert as possible! That cool Nazdreg conversion from Codex:Armageddon is based on Ghazz and would be much harder without his model...



40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 07:37:43


Post by: An Actual Englishman


 Kroem wrote:
My concern with this rumour is that GW have been rather hit and miss with their new sculpts and Ghazz already has a great looking model.
If any new models come out looking as good as the new Chaos marines then great, but I'm still worried about them changing the ork boys kit which imo is one of the best looking kits they have ever produced for 40k.

Also I love converting and they seem to love to make new models as hard to convert as possible! That cool Nazdreg conversion from Codex:Armageddon is based on Ghazz and would be much harder without his model...


You think the current Ghazz model stands with the likes of Guilliman, Abby, Morty and Magnus?

That's a different stance. The model is OK, its not worthy of Ghazz though, not anymore.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 07:41:53


Post by: Eldarain


Ghaz absolutely needs a new model. If it's tied to a new narrative all the better. New Primork unit and now Nobz are the rank and file?

Let's do the whole Oldstartes/Primaris dance all over again!


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 07:55:02


Post by: xttz


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Why are you talking about the FAQ in this thread concerning rumours and when there is another thread specifically for FAQ discussion?


The FAQ stuff was posted here before that other thread was created.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 08:23:41


Post by: An Actual Englishman


 xttz wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Why are you talking about the FAQ in this thread concerning rumours and when there is another thread specifically for FAQ discussion?


The FAQ stuff was posted here before that other thread was created.


It had no place here then, it has no place here now.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 09:09:03


Post by: eflix29


This thread contains everything EXEPT news.
As for rumors, they are not a thing anymore. Just attention seekers and their " a friend told me..."

I'm suprised those 10 pages of wishlisting hasn't been blocked already ...


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 09:26:09


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 eflix29 wrote:
I'm suprised those 10 pages of wishlisting hasn't been blocked already ...
God forbid we have any fun speculating...


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 10:13:26


Post by: An Actual Englishman


 eflix29 wrote:
This thread contains everything EXEPT news.
As for rumors, they are not a thing anymore. Just attention seekers and their " a friend told me..."

I'm suprised those 10 pages of wishlisting hasn't been blocked already ...

I mean, feel free to read the thread or even just the title and decide for yourself whether you believe it's worth responding just to say; 'I don't like rumours!' and actively contributing (though very little, admittedly) to these 10 pages.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 18:12:40


Post by: Karthicus


Very excited to see BT get some attention. Seeing the icons on those ships in the video has me convinced they will be heavily involved in this new storyline for 40k.

Also don't see why anyone would think that BT doesn't make sense for a box set that could be tied to the campaign. As the only SM army that doesn't allow any psychic units? Hell, this could be just the excuse (not that BT ever needed much of one) to start some massive new crusade!


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 18:58:38


Post by: ultimentra


People still think this is actually going to happen? Its laughable.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 19:00:12


Post by: Oguhmek


I really hope the non-psychic factions get some love as well, Sisters, BT, Necrons, Khorne.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and Tau.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 19:28:55


Post by: Ghaz


 Oguhmek wrote:
I really hope the non-psychic factions get some love as well, Sisters, BT, Necrons, Khorne.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and Tau.

We already know who's getting new rules...

Spoiler:


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 20:08:39


Post by: Jidmah


It's really not rocket science to just move Eternal/Cryptec/C'Tan powers and similar abilities to the psychic phase and provide some deny mechanisms to them...


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 20:33:49


Post by: ikeulhu


 Jidmah wrote:
It's really not rocket science to just move Eternal/Cryptec/C'Tan powers and similar abilities to the psychic phase and provide some deny mechanisms to them...

That would be far too sensible of an approach for GW to consider...


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 20:47:27


Post by: Crimson


 Jidmah wrote:
It's really not rocket science to just move Eternal/Cryptec/C'Tan powers and similar abilities to the psychic phase and provide some deny mechanisms to them...

I don't like this idea. If they're supposed not to be psykers, then they shouldn't work like psykers. Making then non-psykers in name only would feel like a cop out.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 20:53:44


Post by: ikeulhu


 Crimson wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
It's really not rocket science to just move Eternal/Cryptec/C'Tan powers and similar abilities to the psychic phase and provide some deny mechanisms to them...

I don't like this idea. If they're supposed not to be psykers, then they shouldn't work like psykers. Making then non-psykers in name only would feel like a cop out.

They could still make it a "Power" phase or something that handled psychic powers, cryptek/ctan powers, and ethereal powers during the same phase but with varied rules depending on the type of power without it being a cop-out. At least then the phase would have something to do for Necrons and Tau instead of being ignored.


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 20:55:34


Post by: Cryptek of Awesome


 Jidmah wrote:
It's really not rocket science to just move Eternal/Cryptec/C'Tan powers and similar abilities to the psychic phase and provide some deny mechanisms to them...


Why would they do that when they can instead give the ANTI-psyker armies more ANTI-psyker stuff to highlight their uniqueness and act as a narrative foil?


40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19  @ 2019/09/03 21:09:14


Post by: blaktoof


 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 Kroem wrote:
My concern with this rumour is that GW have been rather hit and miss with their new sculpts and Ghazz already has a great looking model.
If any new models come out looking as good as the new Chaos marines then great, but I'm still worried about them changing the ork boys kit which imo is one of the best looking kits they have ever produced for 40k.

Also I love converting and they seem to love to make new models as hard to convert as possible! That cool Nazdreg conversion from Codex:Armageddon is based on Ghazz and would be much harder without his model...


You think the current Ghazz model stands with the likes of Guilliman, Abby, Morty and Magnus?

That's a different stance. The model is OK, its not worthy of Ghazz though, not anymore.


Agree going by old hammer scale Ghaz should be at least larger than Abbs


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 Crimson wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
It's really not rocket science to just move Eternal/Cryptec/C'Tan powers and similar abilities to the psychic phase and provide some deny mechanisms to them...

I don't like this idea. If they're supposed not to be psykers, then they shouldn't work like psykers. Making then non-psykers in name only would feel like a cop out.


In AoS khorne and some other factions (slayers?) Have magic like abilities that aren't magic. 40k could do the same.