Bit of a rumour here - and not one I've been able to corroborate the source on, as it came through the Loot Sharing admin team.
Apologies if the pic doesn't show, as it is in a private chat, and my luddite mind can't do much.
To describe, it has a legit looking product code, and seems to be an order for the peeps in China that do GW's scenery kits for them. It's also amongst 'Shattered Storm Throne' and 'Astrolithic Skyshrine' for AoS.
However, it does list the client as 'Games Workshop USA MFG'. Now, GW are of course a UK based company - but one could argue, I suppose, this is an order heading out to the US warehouse?
It's that we've seen confirmed stuff make me wonder if this is a cunning spoof.
I mean, you add a grain of truth, and that's all some might see.
I really, really hope this is genuine though! I'd love me some plastic Zone Mortalis - and I can see it featuring as a battlefield thing in a volume of Psychic Awakening.
The linked site is legitimate (and if you change the ES to EN you can read it in English), and there's been a rumour about a new Necromunda starter box for a while now...
BUT they could just be codenames rather than product names - OSSIARCH BONEREAPERS SCENERY seems very generic compared to the rest, for example.
Plastic Zone Mortalis would be great. If they would release some updated rules for it, I may actually buy some 40k miniatures (so as long as they are not the Kill Team rules).
Current rumours are that this is going to be initially sold as a Necromunda product. But I would be shocked if there are no plans to support its use in 40k. IIRC Kill Team already has rules for close confines fights.
Tastyfish wrote: It'd be a decent sized expansion to pad out the 2019 Chapter Approved
Not surprising to see Wargames Factory pop up there. They were a US based (produced in China) miniatures company that ceased direct sales about 5-6 years back (heck, maybe slightly longer). They sold their existing lines (which were regarded quite well, particularly considering how incredibly budget-friendly they were) to Warlord Games - which subsequently jacked the prices up, of course.
Wargames Factory had a rough time with a business fiend who went on to try to start another company, Defiance Games (basically a gakky scamming businessman whose name I can't recall, but think Kevin Siembeda levels of sleaze). After ousting him Wargames Factory decided they would shift to production and design assistance for other companies (they produce the plastics for Dreamforge Games last I checked, etc.).
So it seems they still have a heavy factory presence and must be renting that space out to GW (or just straight producing the stuff for them). I used to chat with a guy named...Jim Voss(?) at local conventions back when they were selling stuff. Seemed like a pretty good crowd, were in business with Howard Whitehouse working on some rules etc. when everything changed due to the personnel issues. I haven't seen them mentioned in years, so it's cool to see they're still doing stuff.
They also do all the Kingdom Death plastic, and the plastic for Wyrd (although perhaps not the most recent? a few of the recent releases seem a bit of a different style)
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: They also do all the Kingdom Death plastic, and the plastic for Wyrd (although perhaps not the most recent? a few of the recent releases seem a bit of a different style)
Ah, very cool. I hadn't followed them after they went behind the scenes, but it's nice to know they're doing stuff with so many companies. If GW is approaching them about stuff, it's a good sign, meaning they've got some serious capacity available, etc.
Elbows wrote: Not surprising to see Wargames Factory pop up there. They were a US based (produced in China) miniatures company that ceased direct sales about 5-6 years back (heck, maybe slightly longer). They sold their existing lines (which were regarded quite well, particularly considering how incredibly budget-friendly they were) to Warlord Games - which subsequently jacked the prices up, of course.
Wargames Factory had a rough time with a business fiend who went on to try to start another company, Defiance Games (basically a gakky scamming businessman whose name I can't recall, but think Kevin Siembeda levels of sleaze). After ousting him Wargames Factory decided they would shift to production and design assistance for other companies (they produce the plastics for Dreamforge Games last I checked, etc.).
So it seems they still have a heavy factory presence and must be renting that space out to GW (or just straight producing the stuff for them). I used to chat with a guy named...Jim Voss(?) at local conventions back when they were selling stuff. Seemed like a pretty good crowd, were in business with Howard Whitehouse working on some rules etc. when everything changed due to the personnel issues. I haven't seen them mentioned in years, so it's cool to see they're still doing stuff.
TONY REIDY (Or Riedy) I believe the jerk in question is named.
Wargames factory got a bit of a bad rep for a while because they were holding the molds for secret weapon miniatures and Dreamforge games hostage. Basically both companies couldn’t pay extra to buy the molds AGAIN, so those are no longer produced.
If I remember correctly from Marc of Dreamforge, WGF is a minuscule part of a medical company who uses the technology to build medical equipment. Marc got them to produce his models and then shortly after both Poots and Wyrd got into business with them. Which maxed out the little amount of production time WGF had to use on non-medical items.
Elbows wrote: Not surprising to see Wargames Factory pop up there. They were a US based (produced in China) miniatures company that ceased direct sales about 5-6 years back (heck, maybe slightly longer). They sold their existing lines (which were regarded quite well, particularly considering how incredibly budget-friendly they were) to Warlord Games - which subsequently jacked the prices up, of course.
Wargames Factory had a rough time with a business fiend who went on to try to start another company, Defiance Games (basically a gakky scamming businessman whose name I can't recall, but think Kevin Siembeda levels of sleaze). After ousting him Wargames Factory decided they would shift to production and design assistance for other companies (they produce the plastics for Dreamforge Games last I checked, etc.).
So it seems they still have a heavy factory presence and must be renting that space out to GW (or just straight producing the stuff for them). I used to chat with a guy named...Jim Voss(?) at local conventions back when they were selling stuff. Seemed like a pretty good crowd, were in business with Howard Whitehouse working on some rules etc. when everything changed due to the personnel issues. I haven't seen them mentioned in years, so it's cool to see they're still doing stuff.
TONY REIDY (Or Riedy) I believe the jerk in question is named.
Wargames factory got a bit of a bad rep for a while because they were holding the molds for secret weapon miniatures and Dreamforge games hostage. Basically both companies couldn’t pay extra to buy the molds AGAIN, so those are no longer produced.
If I remember correctly from Marc of Dreamforge, WGF is a minuscule part of a medical company who uses the technology to build medical equipment. Marc got them to produce his models and then shortly after both Poots and Wyrd got into business with them. Which maxed out the little amount of production time WGF had to use on non-medical items.
Ooohh, the plot thickens. They probably make plastic tools for assassins as well...I should have known!
Not entirely relevant, but there was a bit of mis-remembered history going on in regards to WGF.
Spoiler:
Wargames Factory started as a US company founded by Tony Reidy. It entered into a production partnership with Ghost Studios, which is the factory in China. After Reidy essentially ran up all sorts of invoices and didn't pay them, the owner of Ghost Studios demanded a share in the company. Once he became co-owner, he found how badly run the business had been, and how shady Tony was. This prompted the ouster of Tony from the company and the adoption of the Wargames Factory brand for Ghost Studios. It might seem like damaged goods, but given how few people remember Ghost Studios was a thing, some recognition is apparently better than none.
Reidy of course claims it was an evil Chinaman trying to usurp his good ol' red-white-and-blue US company. As time has gone on and WGF has produced a number of goods for various people and Reidy ran a Kickscammer which failed to provide even the level of buffoonery-based "amusement" that SIembeda managed. Proof is in the pudding, as they say.
The situation with DreamForge is unfortunate, but simply business. WGF agreed to make Mark's tooling on credit as a show of capability to the broader market; a loss-leader in other words. Indeed the comment of credit being at the limit with the manufacturer was mentioned during the campaign if memory serves. Mark, in turn, got a huge number of tools made for comparatively low outlay. However, until the credit is paid off, WGF owns those tools which....was the agreement. It's not so much hostage-taking as it is their partial ownership of the molds.
The issue now is twofold; Mark was unable to develop a gaming system to drive sales of the product line to fund re-orders and WGF decided that it would do better as a behind-the-scenes producer without the big footprint of a distributor thus withdrawing their own brand/lines from the public; the distribution rights at least sold off/given to Warlord and DreamForge. Were Mark to be able to get the funds for a production run, they'd probably do so but as DFG is now without a warehouse, the funds to do a production run are just one of many issues. A genuine shame, as I really do love the kits that were produced.
Thus concludes the history lesson.
Actually on topic, it's somewhat curious that it's called out as "floors"; are these possibly just tiles a la RoB? As for the GW USA, it wouldn't be surprising to learn that there's some tax benefit to the items being procured from the US office instead of the UK one. That's going far afield of any area of expertise as to the actual mechanics, but it seems the most likely explanation.
Krinsath wrote: Actually on topic, it's somewhat curious that it's called out as "floors"; are these possibly just tiles a la RoB?
Being just flat tiles would be....disappointing to say the least. Especially given GW's recent excellent(IMO) terrain output. But its probably best to temper our expectations. Although that is always easer said then done
Maybe walls come in a new necromunda box, and are compatible with the current cardboard board to be "cheaper" . And this product is a expansion with floors.
Looking forward to this, hoping that at least one of the tiles is completely without walls, been itching to get some proper hangar floors that aren't all warped and misshapen.
I think the bigger question is...who will have the cash to make a Zone Mortalis board with the new GW pricing methods? Since it's being done third party, will they actually try to make a competitive price point, or will we be looking at $150 per square foot, etc. I cannot, for the life of me, imagine the cost of a full modular plastic tabletop from a company like GW. The price could and likely will be catastrophic.
Elbows wrote: I think the bigger question is...who will have the cash to make a Zone Mortalis board with the new GW pricing methods? Since it's being done third party, will they actually try to make a competitive price point, or will we be looking at $150 per square foot, etc. I cannot, for the life of me, imagine the cost of a full modular plastic tabletop from a company like GW. The price could and likely will be catastrophic.
Agreed. They can't even charge a sane price even if they can easily afford to, because that would reveal how much they overcharge for a few grams of plastic normally
Because if so, that's awesome, but I do fear that you'll end up paying through the nose just for the 'added utility' of something usable in that many systems. As others have said, price is a huge point here...
My main concern is if they have missed the point entirely as usual and there just 2d floor tiles with no walls which is pretty pointless as zone mortalis.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I'm surprised we've not had the usual 'pants down' Warhammer Community showing off at this stage.
They generally only do that for leaks with pictures. Otherwise they'd have to confirm every random text rumour on the Internet.
There's a Spiel preview this week (last year this covered Underworlds & Blood Bowl) and a WHW preview at the end of November, so I guess it's scheduled for one of those.
As for the cost? Gents, don't forget this was originally a FW product - seemingly one that sold well enough to transition to plastic. One suspects costs won't put sufficient peeps off.
If it doesn't have walls, there's little reason to buy it when there are cheap MDF and free 3D printable alternatives out there(sure, cost of printer, but these days that would be less than the cost of a table's worth of GW plastic - perhaps substantially less if the RoB tiles are any indication of what we can expect to pay for these - and you end up with a 3D printer).
I can see them releasing the tiles and walls in separate boxes, people's perception of price is shockingly easy to manipulate in that sort of way.
It could just be walls, and a card base. That'd certainly keep the cost down whilst still getting the same effect. Maybe even designed to the interior walls for the Ryza ruins set.
In the export of China it is specified (plastic) zone mortalis floors.
and it doesn't make much sense to sell floors without walls ..So..:
-the walls were sent long ago.
-the walls have been manufactured in England for being more detailed.
-the walls come in a new box for necromunda.
we will have to wait a little longer :(
I hope the walls are narrower than those of FW, or at least that they are 2 hollow pieces inside that come together to form the wall on both sides
or (sadly) they've got fed up replacing large warped resin tiles all the time, and plastic tiles is all we're getting with everything else staying FW and resin
As excited as I am for plastic ZM tiles, I just don't see the price point being all that great. For what GW typically prices terrain at it'd end up at $50-60 a tile for 2-3 wall sprues and the floor piece. These could easily end up pricier than the FW ones.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: or (sadly) they've got fed up replacing large warped resin tiles all the time, and plastic tiles is all we're getting with everything else staying FW and resin
(not terribly likely, but certainly possible)
But that means no walls, the FW tiles were all in one piece. Only the blast doors and a few accessory bits were available separately.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: or (sadly) they've got fed up replacing large warped resin tiles all the time, and plastic tiles is all we're getting with everything else staying FW and resin
(not terribly likely, but certainly possible)
If theyre selling plastic floors theyre not going to be able to keep up with demand by having resin walls and doors from FW. If they have the floors its all but certain theyll have plastic walls and doors as well
Splitting each FW equivalent tile into four quarters, with plug/glue in walls could work neatly, plastic being less susceptible to warping.
That's certainly well within GW's capabilities. And I reckon a FW sized section could be designed to use about the same amount of plastic as there existing building sets.
Splitting each FW equivalent tile into four quarters, with plug/glue in walls could work neatly, plastic being less susceptible to warping.
Unless I misread Orlando's point, they were thinking the old style was walls & floors and GW might just replace the floors, but the tiles were a single piece so if GW only do replacement floors, there won't be any walls at all, was what I was saying.
Everyone knows my obsession with terrain, but one clear exception to that obsession are GW's Realm of Battle Boards. I hate all of them, and would find it awful if this plastic Zone Mortalis is in any way similar to them (including the ludicrous price).
H.B.M.C. wrote: I'm not sure how on-board I'd be with these.
Everyone knows my obsession with terrain, but one clear exception to that obsession are GW's Realm of Battle Boards. I hate all of them, and would find it awful if this plastic Zone Mortalis is in any way similar to them (including the ludicrous price).
Out of curiosity, what specifically is it about the RoB boards that you dislike (price aside, obviously)? I have the original board and it’s fine, but I have one tile the Sector Imperialis board and it may work as a display board, but I’ve always hated to try and play anything on that one.
I hate moulded boards - anything with a level of permanency.
If you have a RoB board, you have that blasted hill. That hill will always be that hill, and no matter how you arrange the tiles you will always have this hill that cannot be changed, moved or altered in any way. It's so limiting. As for the 40kRoB, it is a disaster of design, with so many clashing elements that it looks like someone threw up all over it after eating lots of various Imperial-esque masonary.
And finally the price. They're so expensive for what they are, and you don't even have any terrain once you've bought one. You need to get more to make it work... and that hill. You can never get rid of that hill.
The best type of table is completely flat and featureless. That is the blank canvas across which you can make all sorts of amazing tables. Various type of mats can give you a great base to work on, and you move up from there. You're never limited to making it work with the weird concrete slap city streets of the 40KRoB, or that fething hill on the standard RoB.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I hate moulded boards - anything with a level of permanency.
If you have a RoB board, you have that blasted hill. That hill will always be that hill, and no matter how you arrange the tiles you will always have this hill that cannot be changed, moved or altered in any way. It's so limiting. As for the 40kRoB, it is a disaster of design, with so many clashing elements that it looks like someone threw up all over it after eating lots of various Imperial-esque masonary.
And finally the price. They're so expensive for what they are, and you don't even have any terrain once you've bought one. You need to get more to make it work... and that hill. You can never get rid of that hill.
The best type of table is completely flat and featureless. That is the blank canvas across which you can make all sorts of amazing tables. Various type of mats can give you a great base to work on, and you move up from there. You're never limited to making it work with the weird concrete slap city streets of the 40KRoB, or that fething hill on the standard RoB.
Assuming a plastic ZM board were just the FW ones with separate walls, that's pretty much what I'd hope for. That sort of level of permanence you're talking about, where the tiles have the walls attached, is what make them frustrating to store.
I'm looking forward to anything like a plastic ZM board to build out and convert my own additional tiles or to just use the tiles as the floors for much larger buildings.
As an aside, I think people who already own ZM boards should probably worry about cross compatibility. I just don't see GW making plastic tiles with the same thickness.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I hate moulded boards - anything with a level of permanency.
If you have a RoB board, you have that blasted hill. That hill will always be that hill, and no matter how you arrange the tiles you will always have this hill that cannot be changed, moved or altered in any way. It's so limiting. As for the 40kRoB, it is a disaster of design, with so many clashing elements that it looks like someone threw up all over it after eating lots of various Imperial-esque masonary.
And finally the price. They're so expensive for what they are, and you don't even have any terrain once you've bought one. You need to get more to make it work... and that hill. You can never get rid of that hill.
The best type of table is completely flat and featureless. That is the blank canvas across which you can make all sorts of amazing tables. Various type of mats can give you a great base to work on, and you move up from there. You're never limited to making it work with the weird concrete slap city streets of the 40KRoB, or that fething hill on the standard RoB.
Yeah, I see where you're coming from. I basically only ever pull out my RoB when I'm playing Fantasy, and the ability to have the hill in the center, off to the side or at 4 different corners is pretty cool since I like hill terrain anyway.
We are 100% agreed on the price of the boards and the Sector Imperialis board. I've attempted to play exactly one game on a Sector Imperialis board, and it was ridiculous. Half the dice where cocked at every roll thanks to those darn gutters, and none of the miniatures would sit flush with the board, causing more than a fair share of WMS. They can keep that one...
I will say that for 90% of games I agree that a battlemat and a good selection of terrain will set you right, but I have always enjoyed playing on the occasional fixed, thematic tables like the siege tables we used to see in White Dwarf and the Fantasy Tables we used to see in the rulebooks. Problem is that you can only play on a 100% fixed table so many ways, so you're right in that for just about every situation a modular tabletop is better for gaming.
The old Sydney city store used to have this fantastic looking table that was sort of set in a canyon, but a wide canyon so you could actually play a game in there. It was great... but it was always that canyon. The same walls were in the same place every time.
It's also the reason why I never like it when people try to do trenches, because trenches are meant to sink into the ground, not rise up, have a trench, and then go back down. It's why I like GW's Wall of Martyrs terrain, as it was never designed to be a "trench" system, but a raised protective battlement system which makes far more sense.
The thought of super-expensive fixed Zone Mortalis tiles don't interest me, despite my love of tiles (I own three sets of basic box Necromunda tiles and two sets of Bad Zone Delta - I can plaster more than a 6x4 with them if I wanted to). But I'll always prefer this to something like what FW made as I can move it around as much as I like (and it's easier to store). GW could surprise us and make a modular system out of plastic, but then again the price will likely be astronomical (single GW buildings these days cost as much as the Imperial Sector box did back in the day, which is stupid).
I have a lot of thoughts of terrain as it is the single thing I like the most about this hobby. I adore building terrain and making great looking boards. For about 3 out of the past 6 weekends we've been playing Black Crusade and I've been bringing mats, maps, tiles and terrain to make things more immersive. I live for the stuff.
I hated the RoB the second I rolled dice on them. Holy fething racket. It'd be easier to have a dice tray on the side, but the local GW doesn't have any room - the tables are 100% RoB boards. Playing a game on them is absolutely obnoxious.
The old Sydney city store used to have this fantastic looking table that was sort of set in a canyon, but a wide canyon so you could actually play a game in there. It was great... but it was always that canyon. The same walls were in the same place every time.
It's also the reason why I never like it when people try to do trenches, because trenches are meant to sink into the ground, not rise up, have a trench, and then go back down. It's why I like GW's Wall of Martyrs terrain, as it was never designed to be a "trench" system, but a raised protective battlement system which makes far more sense.
The thought of super-expensive fixed Zone Mortalis tiles don't interest me, despite my love of tiles (I own three sets of basic box Necromunda tiles and two sets of Bad Zone Delta - I can plaster more than a 6x4 with them if I wanted to). But I'll always prefer this to something like what FW made as I can move it around as much as I like (and it's easier to store). GW could surprise us and make a modular system out of plastic, but then again the price will likely be astronomical (single GW buildings these days cost as much as the Imperial Sector box did back in the day, which is stupid).
I have a lot of thoughts of terrain as it is the single thing I like the most about this hobby. I adore building terrain and making great looking boards. For about 3 out of the past 6 weekends we've been playing Black Crusade and I've been bringing mats, maps, tiles and terrain to make things more immersive. I live for the stuff.
And that RoB has that damned hill...
Terrain makes or breaks the game, for sure. I'm going to rename the hill in my RoB board the H.B.M.C Hill, in honor of your dislike of the hill!
;-)
That leads me to another question for you (or anyone): what is the 'go/no go' price for the new Zone Mortalis if we assume that:
-the walls aren't fixed
-the floor tiles are modular enough to combine for larger rooms without having to buy a special 'large room' expansion
I honestly don't know. I know that I would occasionally glance at the ZM tiles from FW, but would never pull the trigger because I could never afford an entire complex of them. If GW were to make this a two box 'buy what you need' set of 1 box of walls and 1 box of floor tiles, I could be tempted but the price of course may still scare me away.
I'm not hugely interested in Necromunda, but that terrain is awesome. If this was a starter set akin to the first Kill Team box I'd be very happy and invest in it.
I wonder how compatible that terrain will be with the existing sets like the killteam terrain and sector mechanicus stuff, looks really awesome though!
This is now a close to must-buy. Cultists are nifty outside some head gear and I just love riot troopers with shotties. Boxes with terrain tend to disappear so fast, but I had other purchases in mind this year, sigh.
Is the map/tile the same size as KT ones or smaller? This plus the IK Renegade terrain plus maybe one of those sets with vents and broken statues, how does that work out for a regular table? I have new and old Necro starter set bulkheads and some selfmade terrain, too (some ruins, Ork watchtower, ramparts, stuff like that). And way more Fantasy stufff that probably looks out of place.
Love that terrain! Not bothered by the gangs but I might get the set and use it for Killteam and maybe sell off the gangs or give them to my mate to make chaos cultists out of them..
silverstu wrote: Love that terrain! Not bothered by the gangs but I might get the set and use it for Killteam and maybe sell off the gangs or give them to my mate to make chaos cultists out of them..
Pretty much my thoughts, terrain is indeed gawjus.
Might have to watch a few Necromunda playthroughs to see if I fancy it, probably something else GeeDubs gonna sucker me into.
So looks like a card base, and those mysterious plastic floors are the second level ones? That sounds like it'd be a lot more managable on the budget front.
Tastyfish wrote: So looks like a card base, and those mysterious plastic floors are the second level ones? That sounds like it'd be a lot more managable on the budget front.
Looking at the video, looks like separate plakky floors coming alongside.
Looks okay. Nothing much better than the heap of MDF options out there, so it'll be all about price...and I suspect this will be hefty. If anything the crazy cultist guys are probably the highlight for me.
I expect the holes are for pegs, but also probably the right size for magnets if you wanted. Doesn't look like the floors are double sided though.
Also looks like I might be wrong on the floors - the box set has a card base but the pics from the video look more like they're moulded.
Also with the thermoplasma pipe they have upright - that tells you that the height of the double stacked bits will exactly match the other terrain. So the gantries and stairs will get you up to the Mechanicus sector height.
Looking at the video close ups I suspect the floor tiles could be lots of the new walkway sections stuck together as they seem to have the same detailing. Although the floors don't look to have many joins between the sections, so maybe they just share the moulding?
yes, looks like those are the floor tiles. They fit on the top of the wall pieces, looks like some kind of holes and pins conneector? No reason why you couldn't use them for the floors as well.
Doesn't look like there are that many unique floor tiles. Guessing they will come in a box with quite a few of them.
So now we got bulkheads, walls and floors. Oh man, you could make a killer Space Hulk board now (but you'd probably go bankrupt LOL)
BTW, are existing 40k building walls compatible with these heights? Seeing a lot of kitbash potential if so...
Would be a pity (and an expensive project) if the floors were all single tiles, had hoped that this would be an easier, cheaper and neater alternative to FW's old tiles for an Imperial Knight hangar bay, but we'll see sooner or later.
The terrain looks amazing, really stoked. Thinking this will be like the original kill team starter, the terrain will likely be a good value given what everything will cost on its own.
BrookM wrote: Would be a pity (and an expensive project) if the floors were all single tiles, had hoped that this would be an easier, cheaper and neater alternative to FW's old tiles for an Imperial Knight hangar bay, but we'll see sooner or later.
They certainly have the same detailing. But the more I look at the close ups that H.B.M.C posted the more I'm thinking they are a larger independent piece
There are noticeable joins between some sections. But there is a lot of space on others where its either a single moulded piece, or a really seamless conection.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Looking at the video close ups I suspect the floor tiles could be lots of the new walkway sections stuck together as they seem to have the same detailing.
I have to agree. I don't think the intent was ever to have plastic flooring.
@Owen_Patten is the designer's handle on Twitter. According to Ray Dranfield he'll be telling us more soon. And Owen has already said it's a fully modular range, but we'll have to wait for more info on what that means.
lord_blackfang wrote: Regarding the holes being for pegs, that makes no sense. The pegs would have to be on the bottom then, and then wouldn't sit flush on the tiles/mat.
They could have holes on both sides with a "floating" peg to connect them.
lord_blackfang wrote: Regarding the holes being for pegs, that makes no sense. The pegs would have to be on the bottom then, and then wouldn't sit flush on the tiles/mat.
They could have holes on both sides with a "floating" peg to connect them.
More likely the underside is molded with guides to fit the walls and pillars.
More likely the underside is molded with guides to fit the walls and pillars.
That would be optimal but in the pictures the walls are just scattered around willy nilly, they don't align with the pattern of the floors at all, and it's very clear they don't sit flush.
gwaddict wrote: I wonder how this will mesh with the FW stuff. Hopefully they made them compatible.
Looks like the height is compatible with the sector mechanicus/imperialis stuff. One set of walls + floor should be same height as the plasma regulators, two sets look to be normal sector wall/walkway height. I'm not sure what size the FW zone mortalis stuff is.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Looking at the video close ups I suspect the floor tiles could be lots of the new walkway sections stuck together as they seem to have the same detailing.
I have to agree. I don't think the intent was ever to have plastic flooring.
I'm inclined to disagree, we've seen on shipping manifests and the price lists that GW is selling a kit of "floors"...
The biggest doubt I had when we started to hear about this terrain was the fact that none of GW's standard sized sprues are big enough for the full (slightly less than) 1 foot ZM tiles. The standard full sized sprue, typical of many of the other terrain sets isn't big enough; they're ~9" x 12". Could GW have gone for a larger mold?-Maybe, but I don't think we'd see these for too long if they did. I'm going to assume that if you want to build 1ftx1ft tiles each sprue will give about 1/2 of a ZM tile worth of floor. If GW sells this at a price point comparable to the best deal they gave on sector mechanicus sprues, The $65 list price we've seen gets you at most 6 sprues building out 3 sq-ft. I'm more inclined to believe GW's going to be selling them with 4 sprues putting them inline with their more typical terrain kits. It ends up being just about what the resin ZM tiles were at one point, and you'll probably get a bunch of random bits to change things up.
But we've seen the "floors" with the kits. They're more akin to the Cities of Death floors in that they're squares and strips. For all we know the floors could contain struts and latters as well, a bit like those old Platformer kits, and are made to go with the new Zone Mortalis walls.
Otherwise why go to the trouble of making specific floor sprues that are bigger and not put them in the new Necromunda box.
H.B.M.C. wrote: But we've seen the "floors" with the kits. They're more akin to the Cities of Death floors in that they're squares and strips. For all we know the floors could contain struts and latters as well, a bit like those old Platformer kits, and are made to go with the new Zone Mortalis walls.
Otherwise why go to the trouble of making specific floor sprues that are bigger and not put them in the new Necromunda box.
Price point is my guess. The 2D-ness of the first starter sets was one of the common complaints; if they did plastic floors, chances are that is all they would be the only terrain and it'd just be a plastic version of the card tiles, without color or the simulated depth.
Personally, I would have preferred a mousepad mat (the one in the Community picture looks like poster paper). Plastic floor to me would have the same issues the city R.O.B. boards have.
Although, the protectors/arbites has me even more interested.
Stormonu wrote: Personally, I would have preferred a mousepad mat (the one in the Community picture looks like poster paper). Plastic floor to me would have the same issues the city R.O.B. boards have.
Yes, but you can't use mousepad mats as a second floor. I'd expect the plastic floors to come in sections (like some of the Sector Imperialis stuff) to allow for platforms and multiple layers, and you can still use game mats for the ground floor - because it'd probably cost as much as (or likely more than) a R.O.B. board to use all plastic floors for the whole board.
Did they discontinue the original RoB board by the way? I dont see it on the website. I was going to get one at some point to fit the crashed thunderhawk tile into
MajorWesJanson wrote: Did they discontinue the original RoB board by the way? I dont see it on the website. I was going to get one at some point to fit the crashed thunderhawk tile into
Crashed Thunderhawk - no idea how you find it browsing the store, but it's there if you search for it.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Did they discontinue the original RoB board by the way? I dont see it on the website. I was going to get one at some point to fit the crashed thunderhawk tile into
Crashed Thunderhawk - no idea how you find it browsing the store, but it's there if you search for it.
I think he means the opposite: he already has the Crashed Thunderhawk, but wants the original Realm of Battle board to go with it. But I'm afraid that one has been discontinued.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Did they discontinue the original RoB board by the way? I dont see it on the website. I was going to get one at some point to fit the crashed thunderhawk tile into
Crashed Thunderhawk - no idea how you find it browsing the store, but it's there if you search for it.
I think he means the opposite: he already has the Crashed Thunderhawk, but wants the original Realm of Battle board to go with it. But I'm afraid that one has been discontinued.
Crablezworth wrote: The terrain looks amazing, really stoked. Thinking this will be like the original kill team starter, the terrain will likely be a good value given what everything will cost on its own.
The leaked price worries me. This could be 350-370 CAD, compared to Kill Team being 210 CAD. Now, Kill Team had 2 groups of slightly older 40k minis, not new hotness Necromunda, but there had better be a metric ton of terrain in the box for it to compare favorably to Kill Team in terms of value. As it stands I feel a bit priced out of the market for this set, though hopefully the separate kits will be a better price point.
Crablezworth wrote: The terrain looks amazing, really stoked. Thinking this will be like the original kill team starter, the terrain will likely be a good value given what everything will cost on its own.
The leaked price worries me. This could be 350-370 CAD, compared to Kill Team being 210 CAD. Now, Kill Team had 2 groups of slightly older 40k minis, not new hotness Necromunda, but there had better be a metric ton of terrain in the box for it to compare favorably to Kill Team in terms of value. As it stands I feel a bit priced out of the market for this set, though hopefully the separate kits will be a better price point.
As in, cheaper to buy everything separately? Are you new?
Crablezworth wrote: The terrain looks amazing, really stoked. Thinking this will be like the original kill team starter, the terrain will likely be a good value given what everything will cost on its own.
The leaked price worries me. This could be 350-370 CAD, compared to Kill Team being 210 CAD. Now, Kill Team had 2 groups of slightly older 40k minis, not new hotness Necromunda, but there had better be a metric ton of terrain in the box for it to compare favorably to Kill Team in terms of value. As it stands I feel a bit priced out of the market for this set, though hopefully the separate kits will be a better price point.
As in, cheaper to buy everything separately? Are you new?
No, as in 'reasonable value for the terrain alone, rather than the terrain bundled in with all the other crap'. Maybe we'll get a ZM box set like the Kill Team or Warcry Terrain boxes if we're lucky.
No, as in 'reasonable value for the terrain alone, rather than the terrain bundled in with all the other crap'. Maybe we'll get a ZM box set like the Kill Team or Warcry Terrain boxes if we're lucky.
And this right here is likely why the box is so much more expensive for Necromunda.
John Prins wrote: " ... Maybe we'll get a ZM box set like the Kill Team or Warcry Terrain boxes if we're lucky.
THIS !!
I really, really hope so.
GW made the "effort" to re-release a new Kill Team Core Set.
They need to support that by re-releasing Killzones since the old ones were so limited. While they're at it, release some new ones. ZM would be ideal for Kill Team.
Seriously looking forward to getting some. ZM helps mix up 40k thanks to variety and short lanes of fire.
I'm thinking using some sector imperalis or mechanicus stuff to make a front wall, and transition into some zm interior to mix up a board a lot. Area for infantry only inside a building.
Build your own sector of the underhive with the Zone Mortalis Floor Tile Set – they’re perfect whether you want to create narrow corridors, abandoned dwellings or sprawling industrial complexes. Each tile features gridded floorplates and vents, and they’re designed to be compatible with the Zone Mortalis terrain in the Necromunda: Dark Uprising boxed set or any of our Sector Mechanicus kits. They’re also ideal if you want to create a Warhammer 40,000 or The Horus Heresy battlefield.
Have they even said how large they are? It looks like the new Necromunda starter contains 16!? So I'm guessing maybe 9" square or there about making a 3'x3' table in the starter?
The starter contains zero of the tiles, its a mat or board.
You also get 17 sprues of terrain, including 15 of new, plastic Zone Mortalis walls, columns, platforms and doors.
No tiles.
Build your own sector of the underhive with the Zone Mortalis Floor Tile Set – they’re perfect whether you want to create narrow corridors, abandoned dwellings or sprawling industrial complexes. Each tile features gridded floorplates and vents, and they’re designed to be compatible with the Zone Mortalis terrain in the Necromunda: Dark Uprising boxed set
Tiles in the tile set are compatible with boxed set _terrain_.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: That 'garffiti' transfer set is disappointing, too many gang symbols, not nearly enough generic stuff, imperial propaganda posters, etc
guess i'm not going to be getting it after all
It is a graffiti set, makes sense that most of it is gang signs. Propaganda posters would be more of an Underhive inspirational sheet.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: That 'garffiti' transfer set is disappointing, too many gang symbols, not nearly enough generic stuff, imperial propaganda posters, etc
guess i'm not going to be getting it after all
It is a graffiti set, makes sense that most of it is gang signs. Propaganda posters would be more of an Underhive inspirational sheet.
if this sells well(I'm buying 2) we should get something along those lines.
Annoying that it still doesn't say how many tiles are in the set, I'm assuming 4 as that gives you a 2x2 table out of the box, any less would make a single box pretty restrictive and I would assume GW would want to tempt people into to picking up one box and then expanding in the future, also based on the thickness of the tiles and the apparent size of the box that looks about right.
Could potentially be 3 as then multiple boxes scale up nicely to 2x3 and 3x3 boards, but 4 seems more likely.
Edit - Just seen from the Underhive thread that it is confirmed as 4 tiles, that's good. Tempted to pick up 3 sets plus Underhive and then add more walls etc. when they become available separately.
While I dont play much Necromunda, the terrain is going to be great for all of the 
