As I'm sure is the case with a lot of you, I have a lot of nostalgia for older and out of print models from our various wargames. A big draw for me has always been the history and materiality of our little guys, and I like to collect retro models, some of which have been out of print since before I started the hobby in the early 2000s or even before I was born. I'd like to share a few with you, and I'd like to see what's been sitting on your shelf!
This thread is for:
- Models you bought new and are now out of print - how did you paint them then, how would you revisit them now?
- Models you've found in a bin sale or online and painted up with current techniques
- Conversion projects that are based on classic models in the range (what I'd especially like to see!)
First up is an old Slaan Mage Priest. I love this model. Back when he was held aloft by four Saurus Temple Guard. I love the bloated decadence that he brings to bear. I found this model in a comic shop I used to go to in high school and it had been sitting on the shelf for god knows how long. I ended up saving the Saurus Guard for other projects, and I built a little plinth for him out of a round 40 mm base and piece of a brick wall kit that some friends and I were using to make terrain. I included Tenhenhuan's little helper holding up the block of glyphs, and I added a skink attendant and sculpted a hand holding a skull. The snake I remember making out of greenstuff and am now frankly a little embarassed by, but looking back on it I think it's kind of cute. Lastly, I had a whole bunch of velociraptor models laying around that I put together when I was like five, so I plopped him onto the base and added some lizardman swag to make him look liike a pet.
About eight years later I'm visiting my parents and the Slaan's still sitting on my shelf, so I figured I'd take him home with me and put him on my shelf! Hope you like him.
I have a lot more I'd like to show you, and I hope to post them over the next few days. Here's a quick shot of a now out of print Chaos Lord model - the first Chaos Lord I ever bought! I remember I had a really crappy paint job on him and stripped and repainted him my last year of High School, which was the last year I did any hobby stuff for a long time (you can still see areas where the paint didn't come off completely, and it's still a bit lumpy looking). I liked the paint job so much that when I got back in last year I painted all of my chaos marines in the white and orange. I think this model really holds up - it's a bit smaller than the new CSM coming out, but it's got so much great detail on it that more than makes up for it. Also ~ the next modeles I post will be ones that I painted less than ten years ago, promise!
I would have too many as my Eldar army is pretty well entirely OOP. My Elysians are no longer carried by FW. So are all my Necromunda gangs and now my Sisters as well.
These are from iirc 1984, sculpted by the ever talented Aly Morrison, and released as his first GW boxed set. I finished them earlier this year, thirty-something years after their release.
Haha I predict this becoming my favourite Dakka thread, great stuff here already ^^ I started collecting Citadel minis in the 90ies but barely even finished any due to being easily distracted and also lazy, but as I'm an responsible adult person now I actually managed to get some done - here's an ancient Weirdboy with Minderz - lost the plastic arm so I replaced it with one from the WHFB Goblin wolf riders, worked out okay as the Rogue Trader era Orks were pretty weedy to begin with:
The original Blood Angels captain, and then later renamed Captain Tycho. Thanks to the guy who gave me the photo of his back, unfortunately I couldn't replicate the stripe on the cloak.
Re-did him a year or two ago to give him a more modern gold look. He was thick bright orange and black with a yellow helm as I recall.
Some really nice minis in this thread already, so it is with regret that I lower the standard, but old minis mean old paint
I know I bought the chaplain in a blister, I'm not so sure of the terminators, but these are all original paint jobs. I will say that I'm still quite proud of the staring eyes on that purple Space Marine, and the colours are mostly "inside the lines".
How did I paint them then? Simply, with no techniques except a single coat of slightly-too-thick paint. Apparently I also really liked that purple, though I don't know which specific colour it is; and I only had two metallic paints, gun metal and shiny metal.
How would I paint them now? The bolter barrels would get drilled, the bases would get a texture to cover up the slotta tabs and the figures would be undercoated, but I'd keep mostly the same pallet. I actually do quite like that purple, though it's a bit of an overwhelming spot colour on the crozius haft. I certainly wouldn't paint every detail on the Chaplain's torso bright silver, it needs different metal shades at the very least. I haven't painted black armour since, I think, so I'd need to look up a technique that's more than a flat coat of black. Captain Purple would also benefit from shading and highlighting. Washes would be used in abundance, especially on the hair and faces of the termies, the metals and the many, many skulls. As it is the black is too flat, the metal too shiny and the creamy white washes out the detail. Lastly, the eyes and noses of those skull kneepads would be shaded with something other than black.
I've got a few older GW stuff, if I'm allowed to post non-GW stuff, I got a big pile of Starfleet Marines I've been slowly painting up for my Guard army. Got around 60+ on eBay for just over $1 apiece, and am always on the lookout for more.
Wow, already the response to this has been so great! Thanks for everybody who's shared something so far.
@queen_annes_revenge - Legolas is looking great! I always liked the scale on the LotR models that GW put out, they were a lot more proportional than the other ranges. Those early models really hold up! The scenic base is really effective.
@catbarf - nice! Really happy to see these older models getting love. Bonus points for sharing conversions! It's always a bit nerve-wracking because you don't know how many remain out there in the world intact, but the results are worth it!
@Captain Brown - no worries, your blogs are full of great pics!
@Juxtimon - Wow, that's amazing - I've never seen those models before! Great job with the painting and basing. There's still so much great detail on these older sculpts that can be brought out with a talented painter!
@MobileSuitRandom - I remember that model from flipping through the Bitz Catalogue! I spent full hours in our shop flipping through their copy. You've done it a good service here!
@Rob Lee - Nice, I didn't realize that the model predated the character. I wonder if that's how the Blood Angels got to have so many named characters! I understand the urge to update modern figures as time goes on. He's looking good!
@Turaxa - No standards to lower! I love seeing the history of these minis and the paint is part of it! I still have my first termagant around somewhere, back when I painted them before clipping them off of the sprue! And the fun discussion of what you would have done now is a nice touch.
@Nevelon - Zoats! My very favorite! Thanks for sharing. Love the old beakie character. I've never seen that dreadnought on the far left before! Nice back-banner on the middle one.
@Rybrook - thanks for sharing! Love the Marneus diorama and the landspeeder is great - the paint's looking battleworn (in a good way)!
@youwashock - more Zoats! I didn't realize there were ever that many sculpts. Those vintage firedragons are lovely.
@Arcanis161 - please, all are welcome! I have an OoP Malifaux gang that I might get around to posting eventually. Thanks for sharing! I've never seen those models before but you've done a great job painting them up. They'd look good among your storm troopers!
I'll just share a bit more Chaos stuff. The first are two Rogue Trader era Renegades with Lascannons that I picked up from Ebay to use as Havocs. Here they are next to a reference model from the old CSM sprue (which I suppose also counts as OoP!).
Secondly I've included a two-for-one, a Khorne Daemon Prince I made using the legs from the old metal DP and the top half of a Gorger (remember Gorgers? I thought they were a really fun concept from the old Ogre Kingdoms - inbred feral ogres living in caves deep in the mountains). I saved the heads for some reason, and eventually ended up using one on my forever-WIP armiger. The mask came from the Defiler kit.
Plenty of oop stuff in my boxes, last ruleset I played was RT! Just not sure if I have any that are actually painted Still not painted from back then....what does that make my pile of shame??
Fantastic! I loved the Mordheim range. I regret not picking up that vampire with a saber that they had - it was probably my favorite Vampire sculpt from the Old World.
The Merc's looking good. I like the feather and sleeve very well as bits of spot color, and excellent work on the base -- I especially like the resin work!
Edit: Also, apparently Gorgers are not actually out of print - you can still find them in the online shop. Well, silly me - but at least I've got the pewter version, not finecast!
Don Qui Hotep wrote: Fantastic! I loved the Mordheim range. I regret not picking up that vampire with a saber that they had - it was probably my favorite Vampire sculpt from the Old World.
The Merc's looking good. I like the feather and sleeve very well as bits of spot color, and excellent work on the base -- I especially like the resin work!
Edit: Also, apparently Gorgers are not actually out of print - you can still find them in the online shop. Well, silly me - but at least I've got the pewter version, not finecast!
Thanks! I've actually improved the water since that photo. added ripple effects and filled in the gaps where it meets the base. need to take some better photos really.
BC1 Adventurers Starter Set (along with PBS1 Skeleton Horde) are, I'm pretty sure, my first model purchases - and I mostly even completed the Adventurers!
"Young Fighter" was probaby the third miniature I finished. The date on the base (for when I completed him) reads 4th November 1992. I have two skeletons from the Horde with 3rd November 1992 (no photo yet). Googly eyes, lip stick, bright green clothing and a bit overboard with the blood effects .
Next date goes to "Heroic Knight in Armour" - 1st June 1993. I was really happy with his robe at the time and I'm pretty sure all of the metal is just drybrushed.
'Wizard with Magic Staff" was next - 27th November 1993. Apparently I gave up putting dates on the bases after that, for the other adventurers anyway. For those that know me, you will notice one thing has not changed to this day - my glacial pace!
"Devout Cleric". White is hard. Or maybe it was meant to be grey?
"Stout Dwarf Warrior". My favourite at the time. I was very proud.
"Stealthy Dwarf Thief" - maybe just never finished his base? I remember being pleased with the gold trim on the green robe.
"Indomitable Gnome Fighter", "Expedition Pack Mule" and an unrelated mage - never got much past the undercoat stage.
One day I will strip these and apply modern techniques and almost 30 years of experience... but don't hold your breath!
I want to thank the OP for starting this thread and everyone else for sharing, I love seeing OOP stuff. I'm rather ashamed that my old dudes are just sitting around gathering dust but here are a majority of them that are assembled.
I see a lot of familiar faces in that lot. Most of mine were also painted red at the start of their service (BA transfers were in my first RTB01 box) but were stripped to join my Ultras. Many still needing paint.
Something about that last vet with the huge bayonet makes him one of my favorite models, but that might just be the nostalgia talking.
Some pre-strip pics:
I kept a couple squads red, to honor their spirit. But they were just collecting dust. Marines crave the battlefield.
A couple years back I was at this gaming swap meet, where one of the vendors had bins of old metal 40k stuff, including a huge pile of assorted Rogue Trader era orks. Something about their janky old charm appealed to me (in a way that most oldhammer stuff doesn't). So I grabbed thirty of them to run as an "oldboy mob," kill team, or what have you. Still only have a handful fully painted though.
So much great stuff! This thread is a treasure-trove. I love the BC1 Adventure set, the lead orks, the Epic battleforce. Thanks for sharing, everyone.
Here's the top half of the OoP Daemon Prince. I made this conversion probably eight or nine years ago but only painted it last January. I still don't know what happened to his actual sword-arm, but it's been replaced with a Defiler Scourge. The tail comes from an old plastic kit of King Ghidora.
Hell yeah I love those old dwarves. Are they talisman? I want that one with the eyepatch! So much character. Nice paintwork too.
I've been seeing loads of oldhammer on my Instagram lately. It's given me a real appetite for it. I've purchased an old talisman dwarf, a chaos dwarf doomlord, and a 1985 lord of the rings gandalf from ebay. You can get stuff for quite good prices on there. Also dug these out of my store cupboard.
Going to paint these amongst my middle earth projects to break it up a little. I know the daemonsmith isn't really out of production, but it's a cool model anyway with retro vibes, and I'll probably make him a little retinue of vintage chaos dwarves.
@lifeeater: On the John Calgar needs to be a t-shirt or something. At least a battlecry...and that librarian DOES look like bruce willis...sad.
@the crowe: Love the old fanatics and the classic paintjob with them. I could have been spared the horror of the ugliest elf queen to ever exist...although I have that in my old models somewhere.
With people posting stuff from the 2000's it makes me realise that, with the release of the new plastic range, most of the models in my Sisters of Battle army are now OOP. So here is the army all together. My painting had evidently improved by this point, though they still need washes to bring out the detail, and those yellow blondes in the back rank are a bit bright!
I have never seen those Nippon models before. I'm getting a real kick out of them. I'm glad that after all that time they've been safe from lead rot. Is that the whole kit in the diorama, or are those shields your own creations?
Also, where are those big blue squigs pulling Grom's chariot from? I've never seen them before.
I got them from an Ebay user who sculpted them back in the Finecast Manglers era. He listed them as Cave Hoppers. Not sure if they're still selling them.
Don Qui Hotep wrote: I have never seen those Nippon models before. I'm getting a real kick out of them. I'm glad that after all that time they've been safe from lead rot. Is that the whole kit in the diorama, or are those shields your own creations?
Thank you! The mantlet shields and the spare rockets aren't original parts of the kit, I made them out of plasticard. There is a 4th crewmember, but he is an independent character, so I left him off the scenic base.
I keep on thinking I need to get new terminators to update my old ones, but even the “modern” plastic kits are old enough that they desperately need a re-cut.
Rybrook wrote: Nev I used to have those years ago, I do miss them but the weight in the tackle box was insane
At one point I made and packed an all metal army to bring to the FLGS for a game. Ouch.
Those old metal scouts are the best scouts ever made. And hold up incredibly well against modern minis (and not just modern scouts, which are ugly as sin)
Highlighting one of the downsides of metal. Want a scout sarge? There is one sculpt. Want to modify him? He’s metal, have fun! Got a Dremel? Doable, but not for the faint of heart.
Yeah. It's a cool model though. Maybe I'll take him off and paint him myself. The rest of my stuff sold rapid, but him and a rt era termie are left hanging.
Metal IG Stormtroopers, pretty cool models, got them for about 5$ a model, not a bad deal, I'll have to redo their faces, at some point, as those were the first I ever painted, since my only army at the time was a Death Korps one
Metal IG Stormtroopers, pretty cool models, got them for about 5$ a model, not a bad deal, I'll have to redo their faces, at some point, as those were the first I ever painted, since my only army at the time was a Death Korps one
Again a nice batch of models that aged well. Better then my paintjob from the time, which has not (including the faces). Luckily, metal strips easy.
But I’ve got far too much in the queue to re-do these guys (for an army I’ve not played for a long time)
I wish I had that many, I managed to snag 2 more, the one aiming down sight with a gasmask on (my personal favorite of the bunch) and one with his gun down. I have no special weapons or sargent, unfortunately.
Bobthehero wrote: I wish I had that many, I managed to snag 2 more, the one aiming down sight with a gasmask on (my personal favorite of the bunch) and one with his gun down. I have no special weapons or sargent, unfortunately.
I picked them up new in blister back when they came out. I wanted enough for a full squad, and if I recall the specials were 2 to a pack, one good one, one bad. So I just got one of each; didn’t feel like doubling up.
Agreed, a lot of the pewter models from that time had really great character. They were getting slightly more dynamic poses and varied silhouettes. Thanks for sharing these guys. I realize that my brother probably has quite a few of those scouts lying around, and I know for a fact he has Colonel Straken and a squad of the stormtroopers as well.
For the most part my guard is the ol’ Necomundian 8th. Spiced up with a few odds and ends. The stormtroopers I think are the newest models I have for them.
The sarge with the bolter is one of my favorite models. Might just be that I think I did a really good job on him at the time.
Been lurking and commenting, finaly found some photos to share. I have a whole army of sisters in the lead whatever era. 30 battle sisters, 15 sseraphym, 10 repentia, about 20+ heavy and special weapons. I know others do to. No clue how old these are, but sharing.
You will notice I have a cannoness on foot, and the same exact model I turned into a winged one (sadly, I also rue the lack of a cannoness with jumppack). Sawing a quarter of her body and leg off was not easy...All these wings you see are Hawkrider wings from the old fantasy line. You can see this whole army here:
https://edwardmystcreations.weebly.com/sisters-of-battle.html
Pics: Some may be small, stolen from the other site.
And, some oldies. Two termies from the video game they released way back sometime like the 90's, and a metal converted Libby from who knows when but roughly same era.
There is some seriously cool stuff in this thread. I greatly regret selling off my old Orks prior to a move to the UK in 2006 - especially as my brother kept hold of everything else for me while I was away...
Last time it was BC1 Adventurers Starter Set because that was the oldest completed minatures I have.
I'm working on some old Chaos Warriors/Marauders at the moment, so I'll take this opportunity to show some of my already completed Chaos Warriors and Chaos Thugs - again from my much (much) younger self.
Chaos Thugs. I really should research their names for posterity. Mostly just block colours, dry brushing and probably the odd wash. I had a thing for Tzeentch, so most things got either purple, yellow and blue, or both. Probably my best eyes at the time on the right.
Chaos Warriors.
Ah those green bases...
They could use an overhaul, but don't desperately need it. I'll post up the ones I'm working on when I've finished them this month - that will be the best example of "how I would do these now".
Space Crusade scouts? Space Hulk terminators? Why yes, indeed.
The Crusaders Penitent - A chapter from those halcyon days when all battles took place on verdant grassy plains. They removed all insignia and chapter colours from their armour 700 years ago in an act of repentance for some unknown deed - within the last 200 years the have started to allow personal iconography to reappear. This is completely fluff related idea, designed solely to help make them dark and mysterious, and in no way, shape or form was it connected to any possible hesitance in painting or creating chapter insignia
Kept it old-school, mainly RTB01 and the second set of plastic marines - with the moulded torso and head - and a few metal guys in between, plus keeping the little guys and the big guys from their respective "Specialist Games", or at least the majority of their bits.
The scouts
All suffering with some form of stomach complaint judging from their expressions.
Their specialists..
Including the ever popular heavy bolter and knife combo.
The one thing I was proud of with these guys is that the right arms are all interchangeable - I made spares so I could swap out loads. Wish I knew where all the other shotgun arms have gone. There's another sarge with a power sword somewhere.
The Heavy mob..
All trained to stand in the standard attack stance at all times.
Their specialists...
Sometimes the heavy flamer just doesn't cut it....and who wouldn't swap a power fist for a chain fist?
And what good are terminators that can't assault. Thunder hammer number 2 seems to have got lost somewhere...possibly taking a comfort break if he's in the same state as his scout brethren.
The Leaders..
The beating heart of the chapter would never stoop to wearing a 54mm eldar head as a helmet, and there's o way a keeper of physcic secretes would use armour scavenged from ab-humans. Never!
The high-flyers...
Plasma pistol Pete at the back there is an infiltrator...he's an RTB01 guy, there is a metal plasma guy with no helmet who should be there.
The battle brothers...
The sarge insisted on a banner pole even though he's not allowed to fly colours. Makes him feel important. Some awkward squatting in the back here could mean the whole chapter has funny tummy trouble. Bet they got Brother Dave to do the cooking last night.
Second squad lose the banner pole, but takes advantage of the recent relaxation in rules to get some skull action in.
The Garage...
We're putting a scroll on, but we're not actually naming ourselves, ok boss?
Prepared for anything, got supplies on the back, camo netting on the front, and we made the vehicle lighter by removing the front power plant and exhausts....
Stealth missiles are the future, paint them all black
Extra armour and hunter-killers are important when you're on a Space Crusade...especially if it's an advanced space crusade, they're even harder
Auto-cannon, check. Heavy bolters, check. Pintle storm-bolters...storm-bolters....anyone? Bueller..
Anyone seen Brother Jim?
And who would these brave marines face off against?
Aagh, the insidious threat of the incoming Tyranid hordes...
The Tyranids...
Proper aliens for proper times...
The Genestealers...
Oh Edward, Ymargl is real!
The Hybrids...
Infiltrators without par, blending perfectly with the populace
The...Tyranids...?? Oh, not any more..I see...sooo? Termagants? Realy? That's a thing? Ok..termagants it is..
Those eldar sculpts hold up really well, I think! Not a surprise so much of the range remains the same (although I do feel badly for all that finecast people gotta put up with!).
@monkeytroll, your description made me laugh several times in reading it. Thank you for sharing those guys!
I don't know which is more impressive monkeytroll - the nostalgia dump or the commentary. Remind me to check in with you before I post in this thread in future, you are a hard act to precede or follow.
Having said that, those Skaven and Chaos Dwarves are lovely...
The chaos dwarfs rock! And the doomed legion are very cool
Gitkikka - lovely collection of skaven bowlers...but no four armed mutant?
Shamefully bad pic and painting found in my gallery...
Just the one slotta-base showing. The elf at front was I believe my second ever figure, first being a dwarf. Bought in a little games store in Colchester in the late 70's....
And...
Classic chaos champion, I think a chaos blood bowl cheerleader - turned into a chaos commisar, and an indeed astronaut - possibly one of the limited editions...
Edit - @ Arakasi, I got a bit nostalgic dusting them down for new pics, so felt I should put some effort into the post
The disadvantage is that now I want to either redo them with better paint jobs, or steal all their vehicles for the dark gods......
monkeytroll wrote: The chaos dwarfs rock! And the doomed legion are very cool
Gitkikka - lovely collection of skaven bowlers...but no four armed mutant?
Shamefully bad pic and painting found in my gallery...
Just the one slotta-base showing. The elf at front was I believe my second ever figure, first being a dwarf. Bought in a little games store in Colchester in the late 70's....
I love those old D&D figs-- Grenadier? I actually redid a few of those in addition to the old WHFB models:
The slotta-base hobbit is I think an early GWLOTR -possibly Bilbo. I had a Gollum too, he became a cyber-grot I believe.
Next to him is a psycho-halfling - GW berserker hobbits...
The two 15mms judge-a-likes, can't recall, but did have a lot of the same range....
The guy laying behind the elf was probably my first sci-fi figure. Again, can't recall the range, but he came seated on something that was a cross between a fun and a hover-scooter.
Airfix army dude.
Cyber punk and cyber cop, no idea.
Pale blue is I think a Ral Partha vampire - came in a boxed set of monsters iirc.
The Royal guardsmen is from Little Lead Soldiers, but later than the rest - I briefly did piece work for them, painting sets for collectors. Seemed a dream job as a teen....hated it. Obviously it was just batch painting identical figures to a set pattern, just basic line work, no shading, no individual touches, no deviations at all of you weren't paid. Ugh.
I'm not convinced that the kobold was grenadier- I know there was a small tribe of them floating around somewhere....
Edit - forgot to mention, those wizards are pretty funky!
I'm not sure if the aircraft are old enough to be considered retro, but they are oop
Dude! I've never seen the old style before. It looks amazing! Why did they ever change it?!
The Lightning? If I had to guess, it's because it lacks the cross shaped hole needed for a flight stand, and the placement of the underslung autocannon makes it hard to just add one. I do agree with you though, I think the old style looks really nice. That and the old Thunderbolt are some of my favorite gw sculpts
I love the Blood Bowl Skaven and Chaos Dwarfs. So much good stuff.
Here's (another) bad conversion I did eight years ago. It's the old pewter Chaos Terminator Lord, which came with many lovely weapon options that were not in the codex at the time. I liked the model and wanted to experiment in a Thousand Sons scheme, which I think turned out pretty well. I still like the edge highlights on the cloak. I regret that I did not have a shoulder pad to put on the power axe, which came from the plastic Chaos Terminator Lord that had codex-compliant (sorry) weapon options. So I just kind of sculpted some bands around it, which came out quite uneven. Still, one of the first "big" conversions I tried.
Can't believe I forgot these. Original reaper doom miniatures. Bought these on ebay when I had almost unlimited disposable income. Always wanted the cyberdemon too but I'd have to remortgage the house to afford him.
Also, my 1985 gandalf and bilbo arrived in the mail today.. Thinking about making a little scene inspired by the Jimmy cauty gandalf poster.
That spider-demon has plenty of potential for some chaos goodness....
And it was Blbo, I remembered correctly.
"You know what the problem with the Imperium is these days son? Bloody bureaucrats re-naming things. Adhominen Militaquarium Temper Tantrum or whatever it is...Used to be the bloody guard in my day, and if your platoon lost a few, well you just conscripted a few gangers, life was simpler back then. Mind you, in my old man's day it was the army, even better...imagine that, we used to have a proper army back in the day. The Ministry of Gothic Branding was one of the smaller ordos back then...."
Last recorded words of Frederick Fethelbaum before summary execution by a member of the Ludos Fabrica Transnomino Heresy Brigade.
monkeytroll wrote: Gitkikka - lovely collection of skaven bowlers...but no four armed mutant?
He eludes me, Monkeytroll, he eludes me. I did manage to acquire the last four variant poses since that picture (thrower, kicker, and two linemen) and will paint them up...someday (my work hasn't been affected by the quarantines at all, and I'm taking online MRI classes on top of that).
Very jealous of queen_annes_revenge's DOOM minis. If only I had the snap back in the 90s to buy them when I had the chance!
monkeytroll wrote: Gitkikka - lovely collection of skaven bowlers...but no four armed mutant?
He eludes me, Monkeytroll, he eludes me. I did manage to acquire the last four variant poses since that picture (thrower, kicker, and two linemen) and will paint them up...someday (my work hasn't been affected by the quarantines at all, and I'm taking online MRI classes on top of that).
Very jealous of queen_annes_revenge's DOOM minis. If only I had the snap back in the 90s to buy them when I had the chance!
Yeah they cost an absolute packet now. think I paid about £40 for the baron of hell and 80 for the spider demon? wouldnt be doing that now! but they are cool as hell.
Bethesda got the molds from Reaper and were selling the set for $200. Not....TOO...horrible, but really more than I was prepared to pay at the time. Sadly, they've been out of stock for a while now.
Yeah I do remember a re-release, but I think they had all sold out when I was looking. I think you can pick up the mancubus for fairly reasonable prices, as he was re-released with doom 3 I think? so there are extra versions of him floating around.
KInda wish I had some old metal rangers. Finecast is not doing them any favors as a unit. And the metals (like most classic eldar) have held up pretty well.
When I first got back into 40k I read a load of DA novels. Sgt Namaan was my favourite character, so I scoured Ebay for the model for months, but the few listings were crazy prices or missing his auspex.
When he came up on Made to Order I nearly pulled the trigger, but the cost was too much still, especially when you had to pay delivery too.
The night I decided against it, he popped up on ebay for half the price I'd seen. Result!
Now that I have proper terrain and scenery I should re-do them...even need to buy the old foam bunker from Ziterdes, but shipping from Germany is obnoxious.
theCrowe wrote: I based mine on the old Avatar art from the codex with a burned out space marine at his feet. Classic iconic image.
With them bringing back those iconic pieces in miniature form (Mephiston, Bile) we might finally get treated to a plastic centerpiece Avatar in this style.
Nice, Nev. That guy with the tight mohawk, melta-gun and powerfist is one of my favorite old Eldar, and sword-pointer is the first GW model I ever painted.
Loving all of the old skool. Some really good paint jobs too. Most of my stuff is old skool, so here’s a smattering of my favourites;
Here’s my current WIP, all old skool if you excuse the BSF Explorers
@Gobert. Wonderfull collection! Thanks.
Sharing my favorite old skool...the Empire (really miss them.) I also miss when I could paint. Age has destroyed my eyesight, patience, and dexterity. These are stolen from my other webpage gallery. Sold them long ago like a fool.
First up...the Ice Queen of Kislev
And my favorite sculpt, The Tilean Sorcerous (think she had a name....can't remember)
I think the issue with Squats is that they were not the best miniatures at the time...(which probably didn't help sales). Whereas some older GW miniatures are really nicely sculpted, there are some absolutely dire sculpts. They may have a nostalgic charm, but there are a lot of absolute turds floating around with regards to early GW miniatures.
Old Ork Commander, and leader of my first 40k army... I kept him around when I got rid of the rest of my old Kev Adams Orks because I just like the figure.
My old Ork Speshulists... From left to right, Runtherd, Mek, Weirdboy, Ork Renegade (with added multi-weapon), and Painboy
Marauder Miniatures Dark Elf Sorceress on Cold One. I realized after I’d sealed her that I forgot to paint her staff... Still I loved those Trish and Aly Morrison-sculpted Dark Elves...
And then some of my favorites of the old quirky 40 models, the “Round Shoulder” early Terminator variant... Ended up with 4 of these guys, but never got the fifth to build a squad so I never painted them up...
His wolf tails broke off within hours of building him and his banner was rejected outright as I didn't think my dreadnought needed a mast and sail. Love the heft of a solid metal dread.
cygnnus wrote: Some old school models from my collection...
Old Ork Commander, and leader of my first 40k army... I kept him around when I got rid of the rest of my old Kev Adams Orks because I just like the figure.
You sold the Orks? Man, that army was a piece of history-- I don't think I could have done that.
cygnnus wrote: Some old school models from my collection...
Old Ork Commander, and leader of my first 40k army... I kept him around when I got rid of the rest of my old Kev Adams Orks because I just like the figure.
You sold the Orks? Man, that army was a piece of history-- I don't think I could have done that.
Yeah... I kept a few models, but just kind of lost the “love” for the army and figured it could do more than just sit there and collect dust on the shelf. Plus it was increasingly unfieldable as a 40K army with how the line had changed over the years.
Found some more vintage pieces in my collection. Metal grimgor iron hide, not sure if they make him in resin now? An old metal beastmen, and a hero quest zombie which I painted when I first got back into the hobby 6 years ago.
Also got some vintage goodies on ebay, some more chaos dwarves, and a dwarf gatekeeper from 1985. Can anyone confirm that he's citadel? I also snagged a vintage gotrek and felix as a pair for the same price most people are asking for them individually.
cygnnus wrote: Some old school models from my collection...
Old Ork Commander, and leader of my first 40k army... I kept him around when I got rid of the rest of my old Kev Adams Orks because I just like the figure.
You sold the Orks? Man, that army was a piece of history-- I don't think I could have done that.
Yeah... I kept a few models, but just kind of lost the “love” for the army and figured it could do more than just sit there and collect dust on the shelf. Plus it was increasingly unfieldable as a 40K army with how the line had changed over the years.
Vale,
JohnS
Well, you're much braver than I am. I've Kondo'ed a few things in the past, and almost immediately regretted doing so. And I've never even considered getting rid of my Eldar (the painted ones, anyway).
Part of my High Elf army that was used from 6th to 8th eds. Although some of these models pre-date 6th ed and I still have all of them (I just won't sully them with AoS).
Silver helm cavalry on what were later to become "Bretonian" horses.
The metal (and plastic elf horses) tiranoc chariot.
My metal swordmasters. I have 40 of these guys all up.
2 eagle claw bolt throwers with crew.
and from my 2nd ed Eldar army, my Dreadnought.
The only concession made to it from 3rd ed, was to magnetise the weapon mount. So I could swap out weapons from my guardian platforms. Eldar missile launcher mounted.
An update on a mini I previously posted here (specifically the handsome marine on the left).
I decided I would try and rescue one of them (and probably more) by trying out new painting styles. Went from this....
To this...
For better or for worse I had a great time pushing myself into a different (comic book in this case) style of painting. The moral of this post is that, if you have some old mini's lying around, get them primed and use them, even if only for experimentation. All lead, pewter, and plastic deserves a coat of paint (not that white metal crap and don't get me started on resin ).
gobert wrote: They look really cool in thy s comic book style guiness707. Nice job getting paint on the old lead. Will the other chap be getting a similar style?
Been working on a secret project on and off for a year. This guy (the comic book painting part that is) gave me the inspiration to finally start getting the mini's together...
Few more eldar bits from when I was younger which I'll paint this year. Some need a bit of TLC being stupid in my youth I started chopping things. RT Farseer on the way :3
Automatically Appended Next Post: Not used to uploading/linking photos for here, so, forgive me if this goes sideways.
Back in the day, about the time that the Rhino box went from a box of three to a single box, they invented the Whirlwind for White Dwarf. Now, it didn't have a model back then, but, they showed you how to make your own using only A) a Rhino kit and B) Two square bases. I think it's a 2" base? Been a while... the same one that Warhammer Fantasy Trolls came on.
Anywho, you make the Rhino like normal, minus the bottom pieces, but leave the top unsealed.
Invert the triangular faceplate to make a sloped roof where the top doors normally go.
To make the launcher, cut the square base in half - the holes face forward on each. Cut the roof doors in half, using one on each side, topping the box off with the second square base.
Attach the two ammo boxes, one per side, of the launcher. Top it with the pair of antennae from the kit.
Lastly, mount the launcher on the other set of top doors, then attach the entire piece to the angled plate that you put on top of the Rhino.
Voila!
The oldest Whirlwind model that you can have.
(Sadly, my antennae snapped off over the years and were lost to time. But still!)
The old "Female adventurer in power armor", sometimes known as "the female marine", along with Inquisitor Wearing a Toilet Bowl Lid, and the OG Thudd Gun.
Some of the old metal Guard, with standard bearer, two medics, and the OG Trantula gun platform.
The first Zoanthrope.
The original metal Tyrannid Warrior.
"Stubby", my mispacked Dreadnought from the old days ... instead of a Lascannon, he got the melee version power fist, but with his TEENSY legs, he's just a short lil' guy who's mad about it and will fight anybody.
He could fit through the old Warp Gate template, back in 2nd edition, and he's still about the size of a Terminator.
(Sorry that the photos are so bad. Using a second generation iPod to take these shots._
Two square bases. I think it's a 2" base? Been a while... the same one that Warhammer Fantasy Trolls came on.
The conversion required ONE 40mm square base (the 2" hadn't come been released yet). Yeah, I built this, as well as the Vindicator (again, a conversion in WD from the Rhino) and the sabre (leftovers from the Land Raider Spartan that used some rhino parts and most of a land raider).
The old Sisters of battle vehicles also started out a similar way, then they got their own sculpted add-ons.
See, my head said 40mm, but I couldn't recall if that was right or not.
And I initially said one base too! But once I looked at the model, there's the one that got cut in half, then there's the topper for the launcher, which is a second one.
Wonder which issue it was in? Be nice to dig out the actual instructions again.
I just bought this but does anyone know why the packaging on this says classic farseer. Is the original in lead or something and they reissued it? How long has it been OOP for? Thanks.
Here's an old school Rogue Trader Space Marine that I got from Lorek back in the day. I painted it a few years ago (2008, based on when I uploaded the photo).
Hordini wrote: Here's an old school Rogue Trader Space Marine that I got from Lorek back in the day. I painted it a few years ago (2008, based on when I uploaded the photo).
Thanks again Lorek!
You just don’t see severed heads hanging off loyalist belts these days. Some days I miss being a brainwashed, mostly reprogrammed psychopath.
Axel Dale wrote: I just bought this but does anyone know why the packaging on this says classic farseer. Is the original in lead or something and they reissued it? How long has it been OOP for? Thanks.
You just don’t see severed heads hanging off loyalist belts these days. Some days I miss being a brainwashed, mostly reprogrammed psychopath.
(Got one in my primed pile, Someday...)
Ain't it the truth! Something I also miss about the old school Space Marines! You can't really tell from that angle, but if I remember correctly he has not one, but two severed heads (likely Eldar) on his belt.
I love all the stuff people have been sharing. Especially love the DIY Whirlwind - I really miss when they encouraged conversions. I remember an entire article about someone's scratch-built Treeman model.
Bit of a WIP as it still needs the base and I still need to figure out overall what I want to do with the boots moving forward (lot of detail in a very small space), but I've been working on some old Cadians to go along with my Starfleet Marines.
One of the guys in my gaming group swears by using a 1:1 or 2-3:1 mix of skin tone and Cryx Bane Base and wetblending that with the regular skin tone for shading skin and face details. I decided to try something similar with a wash, using 6 parts Reikland Fleshshade and 1 part Athonian Camoshade. I think it works well imo, but I'm not sure I 100% prefer it to just Reikland Fleshshade.
As promised, I finished up some old school Chaos Warriors (and a Chaos Thug) for the Dakka Painting Challenge Round 62: Pile of Shame. (That's the voting thread link - where you can find some more old school plus a lot of other cool entries.)
Do you want to see them even if they weren't painted by the person posting? I have a small number of excellently painted models that I bought online years ago that I could share. I even have two that are allegedly "pro painted" models. One from online and one came with a collection I bought off a friend who claimed he watched it get painted at some sort of official painting event, then won it in a raffle. The event had a cool name that I can't remember. I also have a LE 2003 Cadian Standard Bearer model that I partially repainted because I loved the way the flag was painted, but wanted to have the guy match my intended army color scheme. Most of them are actually already on this site from a thread I had up trying to figure out more about them. The two "pro painted" would be new though. Amusingly, they're both the same character, but one is much older.
SergentSilver wrote: Do you want to see them even if they weren't painted by the person posting? I have a small number of excellently painted models that I bought online years ago that I could share. I even have two that are allegedly "pro painted" models. One from online and one came with a collection I bought off a friend who claimed he watched it get painted at some sort of official painting event, then won it in a raffle. The event had a cool name that I can't remember. I also have a LE 2003 Cadian Standard Bearer model that I partially repainted because I loved the way the flag was painted, but wanted to have the guy match my intended army color scheme. Most of them are actually already on this site from a thread I had up trying to figure out more about them. The two "pro painted" would be new though. Amusingly, they're both the same character, but one is much older.
It's just my vote but I'd be really thrilled to see some pro-painted color sergeants.
Ha! I know exactly how you feel. Looking at pro painted models is always fun and a learning experience. Seeing things you might never have thought of trying before, etc. I feel safe linking the one I partially repainted. The disclaimer is that I only repainted the actual person and sword as well as touching up some minor spots missed by the original painter, such as the underside of the flag. I did not paint the flag or do the basing. If you're wondering why the base looks tall, that's because it has a washer glued to the bottom, I assume to keep the top heavy model from falling over all the time. I just wanna add, omg was it nerve wracking painting around the basing and flag.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I feel I should also say that I'm not really that great at painting and he was one of my first attempts with drybrushing.
SergentSilver wrote: Do you want to see them even if they weren't painted by the person posting? I have a small number of excellently painted models that I bought online years ago that I could share. I even have two that are allegedly "pro painted" models. One from online and one came with a collection I bought off a friend who claimed he watched it get painted at some sort of official painting event, then won it in a raffle. The event had a cool name that I can't remember. I also have a LE 2003 Cadian Standard Bearer model that I partially repainted because I loved the way the flag was painted, but wanted to have the guy match my intended army color scheme. Most of them are actually already on this site from a thread I had up trying to figure out more about them. The two "pro painted" would be new though. Amusingly, they're both the same character, but one is much older.
By all means, post them all! You don't have to be Leonardo da Vinci to share a photo of the Mona Lisa or Salvator Mundi, as long as you're not trying to convince people you painted them yourself. Great miniatures are great miniatures, and if you own them it's not likely someone else will be posting photos of them. Just give credit where credit is due. Most if not all of us who painted miniatures in this thread didn't sculpt them after all. The painting is just the last step in the creative process (or in the case of photos you could argue that the photo is the last step).
That's fair. Even if I wanted to claim they were my work, any pictures of my actual work would give it away immediately. I was better than average among my friends, enough that several asked me to paint theirs, but here I am but a novice still learning basic techniques. I couldn't hope to produce anything like the paintjobs on the models I'll be putting in here, at least for now. I do hope to get on par before the decade is out. xD
Here's some I posted previously in the same thread as the Standard Bearer: These four were bought together and likely painted by the same artist. These were part of a small collection I bought that seems to have ranged from RT to 3rdEd/4thEd as it included some current Cadians and Catachan. Also the closest ones to my own skill level. I could probably recreate everything except the power swords. Not entirely sure if the one on the right is official GW as no one recognized him, but here are some closer pictures: I can try to get some better pics of the other five if anyone wants a closer look or a rear view, but that's what I already had. I might have some pics of the two pro-painted guys on later today. I also have another very well painted Commissar that I used as I size comparison in another pic and a nicely done Stormtrooper squad. The Commissar has a really cool green power sword. Unfortunately, the Stormtrooper squad was never finished, with two painted but not based models and two extra primed models that were likely meant to be able to swap out for the special weapons. The paint is also starting to come off on some of these gems and I want to preserve them, so if anyone knows of a good seal coating I can apply that won't change the colors or make them glossy I'd love to know.
Thank you for sharing these! and welcome to the Dakka community. I've learned lots of great hobby techniques from the excellent people here, and I'm excited for you to undertake your own hobby journey!
I don't recognize that last Commissar myself. The proportions don't quite match those of GW at the time, but it could be a conversion. The model I'm actually fixated on is the one on the far right in the first picture you've posted - I have never seen Agent Smith Commissar before! Did everyone else know about it but me?
Yeah, I had questions about him myself, hence the thread I originally posted him in asking for help identifying some old minis. Though I haven't been able to confirm it myself, the general consensus was that he is actually an official 2ndEd Commissar specifically without the breastplate they are always seen wearing. It's now a bit hard to stop seeing that business casual dress shirt and tie as what they are all officially wearing under that armor and coat. lol
Here are the promised pics of the other models. I did not paint any of these myself. As previously mentioned, the two that are the same character are the two that are allegedly pro-painted. They certainly look good enough for me to believe it, but I can't be sure. However, I saw the name of the event that my friend told me he won the newer one at in another thread here about painting. If I remember correctly, it was Golden Daemon. I know I've heard about that event being a big painting competition, so it just might be an actual pro model or semi-pro. Could even have been painted by one of the contestants, but my friend said he won it in a raffle so that seems less likely. Then again, he claimed he got to watch it being painted during the event, so maybe? I really don't know enough about the Golden Daemon events to say. Either way, for now those two are kinda the pride of my collection all things considered. In no small part because I absolutely love the character in the lore. I hope they haven't ruined him in new lore since I last looked in 5thEd... All that aside, here's the pics!
Automatically Appended Next Post: I find it really interesting to look at the two versions of the same character and think about just how much the style of GW models has evolved over time. The leaps and bounds it took in 3rd and 4th Ed are truly mind boggling. As far as I know, there is no other sculpt for this character and though the metal one is OOP, they still use the same sculpt in Finecast today. The early models all have a sort of flatness to them imo. Their stances are almost always using width rather than depth as it were. A trait I've always attributed to technology limitations of casting in the 3D plane back then, but I have no real evidence to that. Still it intrigues me. Perhaps it was just the preference of their early sculpting team. Perhaps it was related to costs, a real concern of a company branching into new and relatively uncharted territory at the time. To my knowledge, there were precious few table top strategy games back then, if any, and what GW did was a major departure and thus risky. I wish I could get a copy of each and every rulebook ever printed for the Warhammer universe, just to read the lore. See how it changes and expands across the editions. That's always been one of my favorite parts of WH. The way it's constantly moving forward and adding to the story. It's not a static world like some other universes, with each new addition just changing things around for balance or at best working new things into the old without really making a difference. Ah, I could go on for ages about this, so I'll just cut myself off here. Sorry for the wall of text.
That's awesome! I love how the Mk1 looks like someone took the Leman Russ/British MkIV body profile, squished it horizontally, stretched it vertically, and then thought "what if we flipped it backwards?"
Nevelon wrote: One of these days I either need to repair mine, or turn it into a terrain piece.
Took a melta hit on the back shelf of my car on a hot summer day back in the mid 90’s.
I'm assuming that was a melta from a previous edition...since, you know, 8th edition melta costs and rules make those weapons very valuable now on the collectors market, generally under "hardly used...or NIB". A truly sad state.
And I also love the old Land Raider. To me it is the better version of Grimdark. The "technology really is archaic blather" rather than the modern "streamline, efficient, wizardry" of the current aesthetic. its like the old American Muscle Car where form completely overwhelmed function (designed to overpower air resistance rather than bother designing for it...) as opposed to function (aerodynamics) setting the form.
Nevelon wrote: One of these days I either need to repair mine, or turn it into a terrain piece.
Took a melta hit on the back shelf of my car on a hot summer day back in the mid 90’s.
I'm assuming that was a melta from a previous edition...since, you know, 8th edition melta costs and rules make those weapons very valuable now on the collectors market, generally under "hardly used...or NIB". A truly sad state.
And I also love the old Land Raider. To me it is the better version of Grimdark. The "technology really is archaic blather" rather than the modern "streamline, efficient, wizardry" of the current aesthetic. its like the old American Muscle Car where form completely overwhelmed function (designed to overpower air resistance rather than bother designing for it...) as opposed to function (aerodynamics) setting the form.
He means melted in the back of his car
I have this and hope it will be the start of a new army
Nevelon wrote: I prefered the short stubby fire prism to the new long one.
And yes, a little melted in the sun.
I actually love how warped it looks. If you throw in some chipped paint and some cotton balls, you could swap your fresh land raider for the damaged one once its lost half its wounds!
I actually love how warped it looks. If you throw in some chipped paint and some cotton balls, you could swap your fresh land raider for the damaged one once its lost half its wounds!
That sounds like a great idea. Make wounded versions of tanks for when they get bracketed. Just needs a lot of magnets and/or 2-3 versions of the same kit.
If I go the terrain piece, it will end up a burnt out husk. Not too far a journey.
Trying to fix it would require a little heat and a lot of gentle bending. And still might end up as a burnt out husk.
wow...I understood completely and was just trying to be funny...the old internet and no irony/sarcasm button...see, in the new edition, melta is...okay, joking again! I have also had an old model suffer the ant under a magnifying glass influence of the back window.
Nevelon wrote: I prefered the short stubby fire prism to the new long one.
And yes, a little melted in the sun.
On the one hand, that's a crying shame end for a classic model. On the other hand, it would be a hell of a job fixing it and it still might fail no matter how careful you are. On the cult acolytes' third hand, it would make for an awesome piece of terrain as is. Could be the centerpiece of an old battlefield, no matter the terrain set used. A burnt out Landraider hull would look amazing in a junk field or a decimated imperial city. It could even be an objective piece with special rules, like it can act as a one squad bunker with only a few firing points (2-3 per side) where the hull has holes. Would make a cool Orks vs SM objective. The story could be that it was "recently" discovered by a passing Imperial ships Augers while they were doing a planetary scan and now the local SM chapter is out to recover it, only to find the planet infested with Orks who also have designs on the ancient machines remains. Even could be CSM vs SM with both sides hoping to recover it and bring the mighty Landraider to bear once more. If you have any of the guns, you could even create special rules for their use by whomever controls it. Maybe once every other turn a single weapon on the machine can be controlled by an occupying squad member, but on a roll of 1, the weapon fires as normal, but explodes from disrepair or damage and is destroyed, dealing d6 wounds to the occupying squad from the resulting internal explosion. Just an idea though. I love coming up special stuff like that to make the game more interesting, even though I've yet to actually put any of it into practice.
Man, I wish they would have used the Epic designs for more things. I've never gotten over what they did to the poor Falcon, and the Fire Prism's right behind.
Nice spot! It looks like that page also shows the rest of them as well. Someone mentioned that the arms were separate pieces in the second wave. Looking at the guy the far left, whose arms are also separate, they appear to both have the exact same arms. In addition, the Las pistol on him is actually another separate piece. It seems that for some reason, they made the arms and weapons separate pieces. Perhaps there was the option of a bolt pistol like the other tie guy in the second set of models or perhaps a plasma pistol? Now that being said, the weapons on tie guy #2 are both later conversions like many pieces had in that collection, so I'm just making conjecture.
Edit: Just want to apologize for taking so long to see your post. Judging by the time stamps, I think I must have been writing my next one when you posted and I just completely missed it until now.
Here are some pics I just took for reference. You can see that the Las pistol is glued on. Also, I'm not 100%, but that Bolt pistol on the other tie guy does not look RT or even 2ndEd. Doesn't quite look as new as 4thEd either. Maybe 3rdEd?
youwashock wrote: That is AWESOME. And the Heroscape terrain makes it even better.
Thanks!
Yeah my FLGS has a pretty healthy collection of stuff and it totally boosts the experience. It's a shame we're all locked down because I miss rolling dice there. :(
youwashock wrote: That is AWESOME. And the Heroscape terrain makes it even better.
Thanks!
Yeah my FLGS has a pretty healthy collection of stuff and it totally boosts the experience. It's a shame we're all locked down because I miss rolling dice there. :(
Truer words, buddy - I've been jonesing really hard for an in-person game. My flatmate and I are going to have a boardgame night on Friday and I hope it'll scratch that itch a bit.
I'm pretty sure I saw your P&M Blog a few months ago (before I had an account), with a lot of WIP pics of your warriors. Everyone should go check it out, it's full of great retro Tyranid stuff.
SergentSilver wrote: Here are some pics I just took for reference. You can see that the Las pistol is glued on. Also, I'm not 100%, but that Bolt pistol on the other tie guy does not look RT or even 2ndEd. Doesn't quite look as new as 4thEd either. Maybe 3rdEd?
It is a 2nd ed space marine bolt pistol, from the character sprue
insaniak wrote: Yeah, those weapons were designed for space marines...
The models are all in the same scale. Besides, there are Bolt Weapons sized for normal humans. You see them all the time in IG armies being used by officers and the like. The SoB use them, the Inquisition uses them, every force loyal to the Emperor has at least limited access to them. Can you imagine how big the regular SM model would have to be to meet lore? Or how small the humans? As long as they haven't changed lore since the Horus Heresy book series was finished, then SM are supposed to be ~8-10ft tall. I think Orks were something like 9-11ft for the Boyz. Obviously the Nobz and Boss were much bigger. The vehicles would have to be much larger as well. They're actually a little scaled down, even beyond being 28mm scale models iirc. Talking lore makes me want to get all the new books and read them right away. There's this lovely section in an Imperial Fists book were a SM scout squad get ambushed by Renegade Guardsmen and it describes how Lasguns actually have variable power settings and can be extremely deadly even to a fully armored SM if on the highest setting, but since the higher settings drain the power quickly -that highest setting drains the battery pack in three shots it says- the normal doctrine for Loyalist Guardsmen is on the lowest setting, because it keeps ammo near infinite. Which of course explains why the Standard Issue Imperial Flashlight is so wimpy in-game. My old 4th and 5th Ed books have it as a "24" / Str:3 / Ap:- / Rapid Fire" weapon. I highly doubt it's changed much if at all.
insaniak wrote: Yeah, those weapons were designed for space marines...
The models are all in the same scale. Besides, there are Bolt Weapons sized for normal humans. You see them all the time in IG armies being used by officers and the like. The SoB use them, the Inquisition uses them, every force loyal to the Emperor has at least limited access to them. Can you imagine how big the regular SM model would have to be to meet lore? Or how small the humans? As long as they haven't changed lore since the Horus Heresy book series was finished, then SM are supposed to be ~8-10ft tall. I think Orks were something like 9-11ft for the Boyz. Obviously the Nobz and Boss were much bigger. The vehicles would have to be much larger as well. They're actually a little scaled down, even beyond being 28mm scale models iirc. Talking lore makes me want to get all the new books and read them right away. There's this lovely section in an Imperial Fists book were a SM scout squad get ambushed by Renegade Guardsmen and it describes how Lasguns actually have variable power settings and can be extremely deadly even to a fully armored SM if on the highest setting, but since the higher settings drain the power quickly -that highest setting drains the battery pack in three shots it says- the normal doctrine for Loyalist Guardsmen is on the lowest setting, because it keeps ammo near infinite. Which of course explains why the Standard Issue Imperial Flashlight is so wimpy in-game. My old 4th and 5th Ed books have it as a "24" / Str:3 / Ap:- / Rapid Fire" weapon. I highly doubt it's changed much if at all.
Sorry insaniak, I went a bit off the edge there. It was super late and I might have come across a bit hostile. Seeing it in the morning with a clear head made me embarrassed. I also rambled way off track towards the end. lol
insaniak wrote: Yeah, those weapons were designed for space marines...
The models are all in the same scale. Besides, there are Bolt Weapons sized for normal humans. .
Yes, there are. I was responding to your comment that these particular weapons seemed too big for the models. And that's because they are. Weapons for Guard have always tended to be slightly smaller than the Marine versions.
This is the sprue that those weapons came from. While the weapons could certainly be used on any models you liked, it was specifically scaled for Marines. Most noticeable from the size of the sword and axe handles.
Don Qui Hotep wrote: Is that a laspistol second from the bottom there? Didn't realize that Marines could take 'em!
Yes, top to bottom -
- Bolt Pistol
- Autopistol
- Hand Flamer
- Laspistol
- Plasma Pistol
I believe Marines could take all of those in Rogue Trader, although by second edition autopistols and laspistols had been dropped from the Marine armoury.
theCrowe wrote: I thought what you said was really interesting.
Thanks, I have a tendency to remember random junk like that and spout it out on the rare occasion it becomes relevant. The bit about Lasguns having settings has always made me wonder if it wouldn't be too much to ask for them to have a special order where they could be a much stronger weapon once per game. Would be a cool way to make IG troops more than just a meat shield for the tanks. Could be an officers order that each squad can only be successfully given once called Fire Hot or something and makes each Lasgun in the squad a 24" / Str:5 / Ap: 5 / Rapid Fire weapon for one turn. Would make them more interesting and useful in the same way as a combi-weapon, except unlike combi-weapons orders can fail or even cause detriments on a catastrophic failure.
What was Delaque's shtick? They weren't the technological ones, that was Van Saar, right? Was there as much difference back in the day on how the gangs were specialized?
Don Qui Hotep wrote: What was Delaque's shtick? They weren't the technological ones, that was Van Saar, right? Was there as much difference back in the day on how the gangs were specialized?
IIRC they weren't specialized. The models were distinct but they didn't have any attributes that were different. I've only got my Necromunda Rulebook here, my other books are in storage, which I can go dig up tomorrow if no one else gives a better answer but the rulebook doesn't mention any differences.
Delaque IIRC was the wannabe spy dudes. Old school Necromunda only had (basic) gangs differing in which guns and skills were easiest to get, but good rolls and battlefield salvage could net you any weapon or skill, more or less (some exceptions for certain gangs, like spyrers and enforcers did apply)
Don Qui Hotep wrote: What was Delaque's shtick? They weren't the technological ones, that was Van Saar, right? Was there as much difference back in the day on how the gangs were specialized?
Delaque were the sneaky ones.
But no, there wasn't a lot of difference between any of them. Your choice of gang limited which skill tables you could roll on for some advancement rolls. But because there were other advancement roll results that let you choose from any skill table, it only really made a practical difference very early in a campaign.
My favorite OOP model is the 2002 Necron Lord, the metal one that came with the Army Box. Since I didn't start playing Warhammer until 2009, and didn't get serious about my Necrons until 2011- he was long gone - but you could find him on ebay now and then. Usually it was pretty expensive - $40+ but I know once in a while it would show up for much less from someone who didn't realize it was OOP. I decided in my head that I wasn't paying 40 - I would pay no more than 20.
I had ever Necron lord ever sold except this one. This $20 or bust situation went on for 5 years before I realized this was a stupid hill to die on and bought one for $30. Once I did, what was the first thing I did with this classic old model? Tarted him up needlessly with devil horns.
Don Qui Hotep wrote: Is that a laspistol second from the bottom there? Didn't realize that Marines could take 'em!
Back in the RT days and 2nd ed days, weapons were less restricted than 3rd ed onwards.
But mostly it was there because it was a single PLASTIC sprue with many of the weapons on it in one place.
Hell, back in RT, Marines could end up with shurken catapults (until the storm bolter came along, it was a better gun than the bolter).
Don Qui Hotep wrote: Is that a laspistol second from the bottom there? Didn't realize that Marines could take 'em!
Back in the RT days and 2nd ed days, weapons were less restricted than 3rd ed onwards.
But mostly it was there because it was a single PLASTIC sprue with many of the weapons on it in one place.
Hell, back in RT, Marines could end up with shurken catapults (until the storm bolter came along, it was a better gun than the bolter).
Don Qui Hotep wrote: What was Delaque's shtick? They weren't the technological ones, that was Van Saar, right? Was there as much difference back in the day on how the gangs were specialized?
Delaque were the sneaky ones.
But no, there wasn't a lot of difference between any of them. Your choice of gang limited which skill tables you could roll on for some advancement rolls. But because there were other advancement roll results that let you choose from any skill table, it only really made a practical difference very early in a campaign.
I found my Source Book and I was partially wrong previously. They did have differences, as others have said they were the sneaky ones. Stealth was their tabletop attribute, but as others have said as well you can cross train with good throws.
Thanks for sharing those! I actually had a Redemptionist gang in the mid-2000s but that was in the tail end of Specialist Games, and there wasn't a community to support it, so we never got an actual campaign going.
Both my last entries into the monthly comp have been retro-tastic.
And the first test beds for a swarm getting ready for contrast paints. Two of them have been painted and stripped since this shot. I’ve got a plan, time to start executing it. Or I will once I get enough stuff in the primed pile. Some metal biovores will join them, and possibly some other old nids.
Aren’t you glad you don’t need to do horde armies in metal any more?
Argive wrote: I am a proud owner of a plastic WHFB dragon
BONUS it came with asarnils original banner. All I need now is to get the rider bits..
There really is just something about having a dragon model, isn't there? I won Imrik in a store raffle, but I never actually did anything with it. When WFB was still WFB and not AoS I wanted to play HE and have lots of dragons. XD Unfortunately, WFB ended right after I got my first models and I never finished any. I had primed and started painting a squad of spearmen when I heard it was being discontinued and lost the motivation to continue myself. I don't know when AoS was announced, but I didn't hear about for at least a year after I heard WFB was ending. If I don't end up selling them, maybe someday I'll finally build and paint them up.
And now to get my post back on topic, here's a couple quick shots of some old models that I own, but did not paint myself. I have no plans to repaint them anytime soon as I think they're already at or above my own skill level. Nothing too special paint wise, but nice enough for me. Unfortunately, the Ogryn came without the original left arm. It had an odd robotic looking replacement that fell off in the mail and I don't know if I'm going to glue it back on, leave him one-armed, or try to find a better replacement of some kind. The odds of finding someone who has a left arm for an original Ogryn just lying around are about zero.
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Argive wrote: I am a proud owner of a plastic WHFB dragon
BONUS it came with asarnils original banner. All I need now is to get the rider bits..
Plastic? Lucky dog. Back in my day, we had METAL dragons. Build this guy before I heard about pinning, much less knew how to do it. He’s held together mostly by habit. Every time I fielded him, or even touched him, I expected him to explode in a storm of shrapnel. Never did. <knock on wood dragon>
Argive wrote: I am a proud owner of a plastic WHFB dragon
BONUS it came with asarnils original banner. All I need now is to get the rider bits..
Plastic? Lucky dog. Back in my day, we had METAL dragons. Build this guy before I heard about pinning, much less knew how to do it. He’s held together mostly by habit. Every time I fielded him, or even touched him, I expected him to explode in a storm of shrapnel. Never did. <knock on wood dragon>
Well the plastic talisman dragon formed the basis for that entire era of dragons. I love the sculpt.
Thats the Wood Elf - Forest Dragon (with plastic wings) correct?
Its on my list. Just haven't been able to find a good one yet.
My fav was the OG dragon master metal dragon they used to sell on their website back in the days of bit selling. (DRAG7 Dragon Masters) Wish I never sold it for pennies beer money as a student..
So far I have one of the warmaster ones, the sisters of twilight forest dragon, The latest Imrik dragon, and now the plastic one ready for asarnil when I can hunt down the model at a rasonable price so far going by favourites
Its just something about the talisman dragon and citadel dragon minatures I find appealing. I always wanted them all and am slowly hunting each down. None of its painted yet sadly.
Don't mean to derail the thread. But couldn't resist talking about OOP dragons..
Its just something about the talisman dragon and citadel dragon minatures I find appealing. I always wanted them all and am slowly hunting each down. None of its painted yet sadly.
Don't mean to derail the thread. But couldn't resist talking about OOP dragons..
Hope to have some photos to share one day soon.
I know how you feel, except for me it's IG Commissars and the RT officers. There's something about them that makes me want one of each. Much the same for all the RTIG honestly...
Vermis wrote: I have a small collection of dragons myself. Not many of them are GW.
If this topic is open to old manufacturers like Grenadier and Ral Partha, I might see about taking a couple of snaps.
A few sculptors that GW hired back in the day also worked for other companies.
Mark Copplestone, for example, did some great work for Grenadier back in the day (as well as GW). His "Future Warriors" stuff is still pretty mint.
(He did some of the older Commissars for 40k).
I have a decent sized force of grenadier barbarians from a long time ago. I stripped and had started repainting them when I came back to the hobby, but they are still unfinished. I'll have to dig them out and take some pictures.
Some sweet old minis as usual around here. I’m very jealous of you guys with lots of old dragons, I never managed to get one that’s said having acquired my brothers collection I’ve now got a zombie dragon and a manticore up in the loft storage. Maybe they’ll get some new paint at some point.
These guys were also my brothers originally, but I’ve been giving them a new coat of paint and a bit of modernisation.
They’re the minis that got me in to 40k WAY back in the day. I can still remember the rainy trip to Sheffield in hammering rain taking all sorts of detours in the dark because they were building SuperTram. My poor dad! When we got them home they obviously got one THICK coat of paint applied liberally and without control. I think I’ve done a decent job to make up for my dad’s suffering!
You two are killing me. I could roll a tear seeing those old Terminators. Awesome boxed set. I suffered for mine, too. Went without food on a day-trip to California with friends so I could buy it.
gobert wrote: Some sweet old minis as usual around here. I’m very jealous of you guys with lots of old dragons, I never managed to get one that’s said having acquired my brothers collection I’ve now got a zombie dragon and a manticore up in the loft storage. Maybe they’ll get some new paint at some point.
These guys were also my brothers originally, but I’ve been giving them a new coat of paint and a bit of modernisation.
They’re the minis that got me in to 40k WAY back in the day. I can still remember the rainy trip to Sheffield in hammering rain taking all sorts of detours in the dark because they were building SuperTram. My poor dad! When we got them home they obviously got one THICK coat of paint applied liberally and without control. I think I’ve done a decent job to make up for my dad’s suffering!
Nice paint job, love the bold highlights! Out of interest, which brand of static grass is that on the bases?
Nevelon, Crimson Fists were the only choice for that extra blast of nostalgia! I hadn’t seen that new version of him, I might have to track him down. My version of the set were painted as Blood Angels too, but I’ve no idea what happened to them. I like how the camo chap has a flamer in his power fist, it must have a HUGE grip and trigger!
Youwashock, that’s serious commitment to a hobby! Not sure I could go without food for a day even for RTB9!
Sniffer-squig, thanks, the bold highlights were the other big part of why I chose Crimson Fists. The grass is Army Painter Battlefield Moss Green flock and the tufts are Summer Tufts from Warlord Games. I think I got them both from Mighty Lancer Games
Nevelon, Crimson Fists were the only choice for that extra blast of nostalgia! I hadn’t seen that new version of him, I might have to track him down. My version of the set were painted as Blood Angels too, but I’ve no idea what happened to them. I like how the camo chap has a flamer in his power fist, it must have a HUGE grip and trigger!
The camo guy is from when we were playing RT as an RPG. Tried to keep things WYSWYG for our characters. It’s supposed to be a hand flamer, kit bashed out of sprue and a lasgun. Didn’t have a very deep bitz box in those days.
Argive wrote: I am a proud owner of a plastic WHFB dragon
BONUS it came with asarnils original banner. All I need now is to get the rider bits..
Plastic? Lucky dog. Back in my day, we had METAL dragons. Build this guy before I heard about pinning, much less knew how to do it. He’s held together mostly by habit. Every time I fielded him, or even touched him, I expected him to explode in a storm of shrapnel. Never did. <knock on wood dragon>
You want to try mounting it four inches up a chunk of tree root without mako the original square base any bigger!
I can't even blame the folly of youth for this one, I was at least 30!
It totally raises the centre of gravity as well as the probability of a fall from high enough to knock something off. But, you know, rule of cool and all.
Also, Nevermind that caterpillar, he was just a bit hungry.
You want to try mounting it four inches up a chunk of tree root without mako the original square base any bigger!
I can't even blame the folly of youth for this one, I was at least 30!
It totally raises the centre of gravity as well as the probability of a fall from high enough to knock something off. But, you know, rule of cool and all.
Also, Nevermind that caterpillar, he was just a bit hungry.
Love the diorama with the caterpillar! And you are mad to build it like that. Sheer folly. Looks amazing though. And probably fixes the problem with that dragon as there is ZERO way you were ever able to get it into base contact with anything the way he is stooped over.
theCrowe wrote: You want to try mounting it four inches up a chunk of tree root without mako the original square base any bigger!
I can't even blame the folly of youth for this one, I was at least 30!
It totally raises the centre of gravity as well as the probability of a fall from high enough to knock something off. But, you know, rule of cool and all.
Also, Nevermind that caterpillar, he was just a bit hungry.
Holy crowe, that's an impressive dragon! What a fun way to elevate (pun intended) a classic model.
Might be a bit rich posting Grenadier models in a thread of OOP miniatures, seeing as Mirliton snapped them up and are still pumping out a lot. But hey, it makes collecting a bit easier, and there's still a list that Mirliton don't have in production at this time. Particularly some of the dragons sculpted by John Dennett. He produced most of those about a couple of decades before I stumbled across the hobby, but he's one of my favourite dragon miniature sculptors. (Up there with the likes of Julie Guthrie, who'll also feature here in future) He put in a feeling of movement, weight, organic realism and attention to detail that I think very few fantasy miniature sculptors can match. It seems to me he knows his animal anatomy and knows how to tweak it to fantasy it up.
I hope I can show you what I mean. I have some scrubbing and pinning to do for most of my examples, but here's one ready to go: the Grenadier sea dragon, from 1985.
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Look at the fishlike folds and fins around the face. Look at the depth they create. On the neck: the slight sideways dip of the fin; the subtle bending folds; the ridiculously smooth and fine fishscales that flow with the body rather than standing out from it and getting in eachothers' way. The lobed fins (like an Australian lungfish, a coelacanth, or even Nessiteras rhombopteryx ) wrap around the body and base in a very believable way. The whole writhing coil of the body is full of weight and motion, and IMO even the delicate strands of seaweed are praiseworthy. Only thing I'm not sure about is the chunky club tail. But overall, and in addition, bear in mind that this was designed and sculpted to be a relatively flat, one-piece mould. In my opinion it has more life in it than a lot of multi-piece models created since.
Thanks for sharing Vermis, and I really appreciate your write-up. It occurs to me that a secondary purpose of this thread can and should be to showcase the sculptors that made all of these lovely little things. Maybe I'll edit the first post to ask people to include the name of the sculptor, if possible.
Does anyone have good links to some reading I could do to figure out who did which sculpts in my collection? Was that usually listed in the miniature catalogues?
Vermis wrote:bear in mind that this was designed and sculpted to be a relatively flat, one-piece mould.
SergentSilver wrote:It's a beautiful model. I can only imaging how good it would look in oceanic greens and blues, with a hint of iridescence on the scales.
Don Qui Hotep wrote:It occurs to me that a secondary purpose of this thread can and should be to showcase the sculptors that made all of these lovely little things.
I made a goof: I already knew the sea dragon wasn't a one-piece mini. My copy's missing two tendrils from the chin. I think the point still stands, but to kill three birds with one stone,
here's the complete mini, painted in greens and blues, on John's own site.
Does anyone have good links to some reading I could do to figure out who did which sculpts in my collection? Was that usually listed in the miniature catalogues?
The GW catalogues on The Stuff of Legends are usually good about crediting the sculptors, and you can glean names from couple other manufacturers and wikis, but it can still be a job for some things. I don't know about asking around on facebook and what have you.
What is it about dragons that everyone wants to buy and paint them, despite their being so difficult to fit into an army? Here are a couple from my collection:
Citadel's Lava Dragon, sculpted by Nick Bibby. A really difficult model to photograph;
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RAFM's Necro-drake, sculpted by Bob Murch:
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Plus one with a Mantic Skeleton and a Space Marine for scale:
One of the toes on the left foot had to be chopped off and repositioned, but then the log that the left foot stands on had to be removed anyway. Both feet are pinned into the wood as is the left hand and the right wing also tests against the wood and is glued in a couple of spots for extra support. There are also four wires up through the corner of the base Into the wood to hold it up. And yes, balance is the word.
Well I'm afraid I don't have any dragons to share, but I do have a bunch of old Inquisitor scale models that I'd like to share! I just finished a cross-country drive back to my hometown to chill with my family during the pandemic (benefits of working remotely for the foreseeable future), and my brother and I have been reliving a lot of gaming fantasies from our youth. I've got quite a few Necromunda and Inquisitor models that I'd like to repaint, but there are a few that I'm pretty happy with - one of which is our dear old Gregor Eisenhorn. According to the Warhammer Community article announcing the 28 mm sculpt, this model was sculpted by a chap named Brian Nelson. A quick google shows that he's done a few models that I quite like, including revamping Ork boyz for GorkaMorka. Note also Uriah Jacobs, Kyrinov, and the old CSM Sorcerers were all Brian Nelson joints. With all appropriate attributions, here is my teenage paintjob.
If I were to redo it today, I'd like to use a darker palette for the robes and a try and create a glow effect on the Runestaff and Barbarisater. I remember at the time being very proud of how the skin tone had turned out. If people like I'm happy to share a few more Specialist games over the next week or so.
Don Qui Hotep wrote: If people like I'm happy to share a few more Specialist games over the next week or so.
Absolutely. Especially any other Inquisitor minis. That range was a great and characterful look into the 'back alleys' of 40K. Gregor Eisenhorn is a particular high point. Thanks!
Grenadier dragon the second: John Dennett's pond dragon.
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Like the sea dragon, this was part of Grenadier's 'Dragon of the Month' series 2, all sculpted by John Dennett in 1985. (John and Andrew Chernak sculpted the typical D&D chromatic and metallic dragons for DotM series 1) This is one that's still available through Mirliton Miniatures. It's a nice, whimsical little model, appropriately themed on a dragonfly. (The wings, the segmented tail, the bulging eyes)
This also shows off John's knowledge of animal anatomy: limbs based on birds and quadrupedal mammals. See how the muscles and skin stretch between the limbs and the trunk, even. It's almost a trope to recognise John's Grenadier creatures. Some of his larger dragons include even more fleshy details.
The wings are interesting. I can make a couple of guesses how they were sculpted but I wouldn't mind a blow-by-blow account.
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JoshInJapan wrote: What is it about dragons that everyone wants to buy and paint them, despite their being so difficult to fit into an army?
I was cleaning up that pond dragon and thinking it could fit into a little Dragon Rampant HE Avelorn army I'm working on. It could be half a lesser warbeasts unit by itself.
On the appeal of dragons in general: if I could pinpoint that I could bottle it and sell it. I think they're the quintessential beast of racial memory: large predators, soaring raptors* and deadly serpents rolled into one. Huge, dangerous, majestic, devious, reprehensible and enviable. And because they're not real, they're a bit like when you only see glimpses of the monster in horror films: your imagination makes them a bit more huge and dangerous than what you can see, makes them fly, makes them breathe fire and venom. They embody the mystery and peril of the world as seen through imagination, moreso than any other mythological creature, to the point that the signpost into 'faerie stories', as Tolkien defined them, is marked with 'Here Be Dragons'.
Love that pond dragon, could be right off a 60ies scifi/fantasy book cover, with the reeds on the base and the overall organic weirdness!
Here are some ancient harlies by Jes Goodwin - the ones above are from the 1988 RTB6 Box set I bought and (partially ...) painted as a teen in the 90ies, the ones below come from a blister I got off eBay this year and painted up for last month's Dakka challenge.
Well. I guess I was a bit more adventurous in regards to colour schemes in my youth, but then again my concept of shading seems to have been a black wash over everything, and my concept of metallics a black wash over unpainted lead Also, bright green bases, heh.
Ive got some of those old harlies chopped up and mounted on old plastic jetbikes. Ive had them languishing as an unfinished project in a box in my garage for years. But you know, they're such classic minis they just never grow old. They may as well be triple distilled and aging in oak smoked barrels out there, just getting better by the year. Or I could pull my finger out and get them painted up.
MobileSuitRandom wrote:Love that pond dragon, could be right off a 60ies scifi/fantasy book cover, with the reeds on the base and the overall organic weirdness!
Like something from the opening credits of Gentlemen Broncos?
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Lovely Goodwin Harlies. An example of something that's maybe not as crisp as modern CAD plastics, but chockful of personality. Great painting on them, the checks are tops.
And weren't green bases a rite of passage in the 90s?
theCrowe wrote:They may as well be triple distilled and aging in oak smoked barrels out there, just getting better by the year. Or I could pull my finger out and get them painted up.
Been feeling that lately.
Nevelon wrote:When the light is better I should grab a snap. They are horrible.
Metal Nobs.
Second version of Ork bikes
Metal and mono-pose Gretchen (although with some head swaps to create variation).
Old metal Nobs in Mega Armour
Original FW Ork Battle Wagon
The 54mm chaos magus is awesome, that's what I hoped GW would do with kill team, make it a game about kitbashing models
that draws your eyes trying to dissect the model to its original parts.
I really need to just set up my lightbox and cycle everything through it. The problem is it would take a month and probably cause my camera to explode a/o melt. Anyway, here is a fuzzy picture of some old orcs. And yes, those are tinboys in the back.
Edit: Woops, already posted the orc pic. Thread’s getting long, I forget what I’ve already done...
Still not painted from back then....what does that make my pile of shame??
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Still I loved those Trish and Aly Morrison-sculpted Dark Elves...
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