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Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/18 09:53:07


Post by: alphaecho


 Shadow Walker wrote:
This awesome news made me come back here. So far only little is known https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uByYE0bsL0 you can skip to about 43:00, in short - skirmish level, plastic minis and back to classic MC feel.


YouTube blocked at work. Do they have BIG shoulderpads?



Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/18 09:59:42


Post by: Shadow Walker


alphaecho wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
This awesome news made me come back here. So far only little is known https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uByYE0bsL0 you can skip to about 43:00, in short - skirmish level, plastic minis and back to classic MC feel.


YouTube blocked at work. Do they have BIG shoulderpads?


He said they aim for the classic=Bonner etc. look so I think it is a given, but we must wait for more meaty news. There was something about Blood Berets being shown as first if I remember correctly.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/18 10:37:31


Post by: firmlog


Man I really like the new stuff. While the capitol were lacking in flavor from original, the mishima and everything else was mostly good. At least there were models in each faction I though looked good. Even capitol were fine with a headswap and less the shoulderpads. Ufnortunately, I didn't really find out about it till too soon to when the shut the line down and wasn't able to pick up enough of the model I wanted. I even got my gaming group to agree to get into it when the next month they closed and everyone abandoned the idea.

I feel like most of Warzone original figures, minus the plastic stuff. was just too bulky, yes fine in their time, but not so much 25+ years later. I have the same problem with warmachine in that while they have some newer sculpts they haven't updated to modern model sensibilities while maintaining model "character".


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/18 10:40:14


Post by: Malika2


Pictures or it didn't happen.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/18 12:33:25


Post by: Taarnak


 Malika2 wrote:
Pictures or it didn't happen.

Yeah, that.

Plastics, eh? So how is that happening? Prodos/Archon makes that a no go for a lot of folks.

Also, who are Res Nova Games? Have they done anything before? Are they yet another offshoot of Prodos/Archon?

Note: I am asking. I have no information that Res Nova Games is in any way affiliated with Prodos/Archon.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/18 13:24:59


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Taarnak wrote:
 Malika2 wrote:
Pictures or it didn't happen.

Yeah, that.

Plastics, eh? So how is that happening? Prodos/Archon makes that a no go for a lot of folks.

Also, who are Res Nova Games? Have they done anything before? Are they yet another offshoot of Prodos/Archon?

Note: I am asking. I have no information that Res Nova Games is in any way affiliated with Prodos/Archon.

TBH I too have no idea about Res Nova Games but from the video I am sure that they have nothing common with Prodos/Archon. As to pictures - there are none so far - as mentioned that video is the only thing mentioning new edition of WZ.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/18 13:27:02


Post by: His Master's Voice


They appear to have... a Facebook page? One product released. I think? An okay looking card game.

Yeah, I'm going to say a company without a 10 bucks a year domain/hosting package doesn't inspire much confidence when they say they're going to be producing plastics.

Unless they're going to Kickstarter with the game again, in which case they inspire no confidence whatsoever.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/18 13:39:00


Post by: AAN


I am interested!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/18 14:03:09


Post by: Shadow Walker


 His Master's Voice wrote:
They appear to have... a Facebook page? One product released. I think? An okay looking card game.

Yeah, I'm going to say a company without a 10 bucks a year domain/hosting package doesn't inspire much confidence when they say they're going to be producing plastics.

Unless they're going to Kickstarter with the game again, in which case they inspire no confidence whatsoever.

Yeah, fair points but...MC nostalgia is stronger I lived through all the deaths of WZ so far so another one will at least not surprise me. Untill there are more news I dare to stay optimistic


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/18 14:24:13


Post by: Siygess


I'm happy this game is getting another shot and Bryan seems like a good choice to head up the design side of things. My main concern is that.. I don't know how much Res Nova really know about WZR and why it ultimately petered out. Those who do not learn from history..


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/18 14:33:35


Post by: His Master's Voice


 Shadow Walker wrote:
I lived through all the deaths of WZ so far so another one will at least not surprise me.


Yeah, been there, done that.

 Siygess wrote:
My main concern is that.. I don't know how much Res Nova really know about WZR and why it ultimately petered out. Those who do not learn from history..


What exactly killed WZR anyway? I mean, Prodos did everything they could to implode as a company, but I'm assuming there must have been something else at play?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/18 15:50:16


Post by: Siygess


 His Master's Voice wrote:
What exactly killed WZR anyway? I mean, Prodos did everything they could to implode as a company, but I'm assuming there must have been something else at play?


In my opinion, it came down to money. I think it was adequately financed via kickstarter and they reached a pretty good portion of the former Warzone fans who were still in the hobby but they over-promised in terms of what they would make - and when you factor in delays and the drawn out shipping process, it feels like there wasn't enough left in the coffers once the last KS shipment had gone out. They had - to my perception - the double whammy problem of not enough money or experience for post-KS marketing and retail support (no retail-only releases, no 2 player starter etc).. and no new product to sell to backers who had already secured the items they already wanted via the KS. I think the only stuff they did to promote the game after the KS was the 'official' tournament at the UKGE (which was great but.. not as well attended as they were hoping, I think) and some Beasts of Wars videos.. many of which took so long to come out after filming that Rob had already left Prodos by the time the whole series had aired. On top of that, the volunteer program was.. inconsistently supported and as a result I don't think the game get an in-store presence as much as it could have done.

So, not a lot of new sales from people who didn't already back the KS meant a need to produce new units (and the Imperial faction) ASAP so they could be sold to the committed backers. But I guess it was kind of a death spiral at this point - each investment to design, manufacture and distribute a new product was only sometimes covered by the sales of said product. Sometimes it was the rules (but we updated those.. a lot!) sometimes it was the models but a lot of the time it was the dwindling pool of potential buyers. On top of that, AvP was kicking Prodos in the butt and yet there were still WZR 1.0 profiles with no models when Prodos decided to.. do WZR 2.0. Again, there wasn't much promotion of this outside of the existing WZR community (at least none that I saw) and the gamble didn't pay off; the cost of all that printed material (2 new rulebooks, new cards) plus a few new units resulted in the game going on long periods of hiatus with no releases at all. If I remember correctly (and I may not - this feels like a lifetime ago) there was a renewal of the license with Cabinet but at that point, I don't think anyone had a fulltime position working at Prodos besides Jarek. Everyone else seemed to be splitting their time between Prodos and Archon, or working full time at Archon. Finally Prodos pooled it's remaining resources (and energy!) into a new KS. This would have been for the much needed (arguably, much needed 2 years prior) 2 player battle box that would also be the means to introduce one of the factions that didn't have any models yet. Things.. happened *.. and the KS did not go ahead despite the effort that had already gone into preparing for it. Shortly after that, the license went back to Cabinet.

* I have heard conflicting information from two different sources about that second KS. It may be that both have some truth to them, but I'd rather not point the finger of blame without proof


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/19 08:40:52


Post by: AAN


Thanks Siygess - IMO a very good writeup of the whole Warzone Prodos mess.
I had high hopes, received some preprinted minis to paint, supported them etc.




So I was well spirited towards the effort.
IMO the models are still some of the best around, but for me the rules and all the reasons above killed the game.

IMO everybody would be better off using the old 1st edition rules as a strong starting point!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/19 14:58:31


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Fifth times the charm right!

Or did I forget one and this is the sixth?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/19 17:17:51


Post by: Siygess


It would be the seventh by my reckoning - Warzone 1st ed, Warzone 2nd ed, Ultimate Warzone, That One From FFG, Warzone Resurrection 1st ed, Warzone Resurrection 2nd ed.

Luckily it's a well known fact that seventh time is indeed the charm!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/19 17:24:03


Post by: Luke82


Warzone was the one that got away when I was a kid, I absolutely loved the setting but no one would play it as it wasn’t 40k. I still remember lovingly daubing the old football helmet capitols in an inch thick coat of enamel paint and thinking they were awesome.

A pal and I were saying we were gonna give 1st Ed or UWZ a whirl once we can all freely leave our homes and exchange
microbes again, I even ordered some Bauhaus to get going, so this is extremely good news! I’ve been loving reading the rule books again, they are so awesomely unapologetically 90s.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/19 19:47:37


Post by: Ronin_eX


Huh, that’s unexpected. As others have said, a relatively unknown company doing it means there is more caution than optimism for me. Both Prodos and Excelsior were largely unknown, and they both ended up making some terrible decisions while working on the property.

Focusing on the original artwork for inspiration is the right call, the charm of Mutant Chronicles/Warzone that 80’s/90’s Iron Age of comics feel (especially 2000AD). Bonner and the rest made that over-the-top aesthetic really work and eschewing or modernizing it too much risks losing that energy. At the same time, treating it like a museum piece (like Excelsior did) risks stagnation and can cause issues if you try and translate it all at once.

For my money, the Modiphius reboot of the RPG hit the sweet spot for me. It expanded things, but kept the heart and soul of the setting. Kind of why I hoped they would do it, but they picked up Elder Scrolls and Fallout, so not happening.

My ideal here is just a competent platoon-level (10-40 minis) that cleans up the 1st Edition rules and gives them a semblance of balance (please, not another one based on 2nd’s over-complex mess, please). If they can make plastics work, cool, but I would hate to see things sink because they misjudged things and went in too much on it. Either way, I’m guessing it will start with a KS, and I hope they don’t go overboard on scope creep with (even though chances of that with a new company are high).

At this point, I am with the other long term fans in having seen the game die every time, and at this point I realize no established company will take a risk on it. So we’ll just have to see if this time the new, untested studio can finally make it work and not fall to delusions of grandeur. My advice is start small and expand slow. The 1st Edition of Warzone is a good template here. Sure, I’d love to see all my favourite units back, but go too fast or bite off too much and you’re going to choke on your aspirations.

Either way, I wish them luck, and really hope it works out for them. I could use another generation of Venusian Rangers for my collection if nothing else.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/19 23:08:28


Post by: lord_blackfang


Dunno. The fella does not inspire confidence. This feels like a "Kickstarter kinda sorta delivers and then it all just dies" sort of venture.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/19 23:59:22


Post by: parakuribo


I would like to show you guys a company in Ireland that sells miniature moulds:

https://shop.princeaugust.ie/

Here is the bottom line. Brigade is working on Celtos 2. Seb games is buying the Void 1.1 line and working on the new rules(and a few recasts). Prince August has the rule books and Blood Berets, the game.

If Warzone is ever to come back, Cabinet will need to do to things:

1. Ditch Res Nova, because it looks like it's gonna be another Kickstarter.

2. Get PA on the horn and talk about bringing the Tangent edition back. Probably get some of the original guys around, have a few games to see what works and what doesn't.

I really don't see how complicated it could be.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 00:28:55


Post by: Galas


How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 01:50:14


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


 parakuribo wrote:
I would like to show you guys a company in Ireland that sells miniature moulds:

https://shop.princeaugust.ie/

Here is the bottom line. Brigade is working on Celtos 2. Seb games is buying the Void 1.1 line and working on the new rules(and a few recasts).


I didn't know either of these things were happening. Interesting news nonetheless!

Still waiting for someone to update Chronopia though...


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 03:15:06


Post by: Sacredroach


Chronopia Empire would be lovely to see...

But if it is Warzone, I will buy the Mishima and Illian figures. Why stop a 20+ year streak?

On that note, still impatiently waiting for my Siege at the Citadel...


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 03:53:10


Post by: Alpharius


I really like Bryan's work on DARK AGE, so I'm looking forward to this one.

But...this isn't Prodos/Archon/etc. at all, is it?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 07:02:35


Post by: Siygess


 Alpharius wrote:
I really like Bryan's work on DARK AGE, so I'm looking forward to this one.

But...this isn't Prodos/Archon/etc. at all, is it?


Alas not.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 07:30:43


Post by: Manchu


I put aside a fair amount of Resurrection models when they went on clearance and bought the whole of Modiphius’s RPG. I’m very willing to be cautiously optimistic about a skirmish game.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 08:40:18


Post by: Shadow Walker


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
 parakuribo wrote:
I would like to show you guys a company in Ireland that sells miniature moulds:

https://shop.princeaugust.ie/

Here is the bottom line. Brigade is working on Celtos 2. Seb games is buying the Void 1.1 line and working on the new rules(and a few recasts).


I didn't know either of these things were happening. Interesting news nonetheless!

Still waiting for someone to update Chronopia though...

Yeah, Chronopia would be a dream too.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 11:13:45


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Siygess wrote:
It would be the seventh by my reckoning - Warzone 1st ed, Warzone 2nd ed, Ultimate Warzone, That One From FFG, Warzone Resurrection 1st ed, Warzone Resurrection 2nd ed.

Luckily it's a well known fact that seventh time is indeed the charm!



I was just counting companies, I get Heartbreaker, Excalibur, whoever did the prepaints (FFG?) and that Polish company...

Did I miss anyone?

I suppose Prince August should be in there too.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 15:25:40


Post by: Sacredroach


Target. They had the license too. Might as well as Modiphius to the list for the Siege of the Citadel game, but those are Prodos sculpts.

Pity about the FFG version...my group really liked that one, probably due to the scale of the minis. BUT...54mm is definitely not for everyone.





Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 15:52:38


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Jeez... I actually had forgotten about Siege of the Citdael. I went all in on that too.

Maybe some day I'll still receive it...


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 16:05:13


Post by: Siygess


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Jeez... I actually had forgotten about Siege of the Citdael. I went all in on that too.

Maybe some day I'll still receive it...


Hah! Same..


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 16:41:22


Post by: Shadow Walker


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Jeez... I actually had forgotten about Siege of the Citdael. I went all in on that too.

Maybe some day I'll still receive it...

Yeah, the waiting for this failure of KS is irritating, especially after spending many hours looking for all the errors and knowing that they did not even bother to update the PDFs.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 16:42:57


Post by: Barzam


Just give me some cool looking Cybertronic stuff and some of the Earth stuff and I'll be happy.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 16:43:47


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Barzam wrote:
Just give me some cool looking Cybertronic stuff and some of the Earth stuff and I'll be happy.

Lutheran Triad for me


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 16:52:10


Post by: His Master's Voice


Well, here's hoping the Tribes are actually still in the game. IIRC, Modiphus butchered them out in favour of bland Mother Russia stuff in the RPG line.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 16:57:33


Post by: Shadow Walker


 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, here's hoping the Tribes are actually still in the game. IIRC, Modiphus butchered them out in favour of bland Mother Russia stuff in the RPG line.

They are still there-check the Dark Eden book for MC3. White Star is an addition that does not replace the known tribes. There are also other new forces introduced around the globe, like the mutant tribes of South America or Akash clans of India etc.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 16:57:35


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, here's hoping the Tribes are actually still in the game. IIRC, Modiphus butchered them out in favour of bland Mother Russia stuff in the RPG line.


Oh my dear sweet summers child.

An unknown company doing a kickstarter? In plastic too? If we see anything it will be trenchers vs zombies with a couple of Brotherhood dudes and demons.

If we see anything...


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 17:30:05


Post by: His Master's Voice


 Shadow Walker wrote:

They are still there-check the Dark Eden book for MC3. White Star is an addition that does not replace the known tribes. There are also other new forces introduced around the globe, like the mutant tribes of South America or Akash clans of India etc.


Huh, the source book must have been released after I dropped the line. The ancient aliens did it plot line was a little too much for me.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 17:50:14


Post by: Alpharius


 Siygess wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
I really like Bryan's work on DARK AGE, so I'm looking forward to this one.

But...this isn't Prodos/Archon/etc. at all, is it?


Alas not.


Your answer - it has confused me.

Are you saying that Prodos/Archon/etc. *are* involved?

Or, are you saying they're not involved, but you wish that they...were?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 17:54:42


Post by: Sacredroach


And don't forget about the AWESOME Dark Eden ccg from back in the day. Never cared much for the Warzone ccg, but Dark Eden was great fun.

I hope that White Star becomes more fleshed out in the next edition, and perhaps more on the various tribes. Also, is is possible for the new owners to make Mishima NOT SUCK? I love the models, the lore, the designs the history but really, anybody with above average guns can take them out.

And while I reminisce about the past (1st Edition), I will never forget watching an Undead Legionnaire taking out a Mortificator in HTH combat. The Mort fumbled his attack roll, and lost all further actions. The UL rolled a Nat 20. Much anger was had at that table.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 18:29:06


Post by: Siygess


 Alpharius wrote:
 Siygess wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
I really like Bryan's work on DARK AGE, so I'm looking forward to this one.

But...this isn't Prodos/Archon/etc. at all, is it?


Alas not.


Your answer - it has confused me.

Are you saying that Prodos/Archon/etc. *are* involved?

Or, are you saying they're not involved, but you wish that they...were?


The latter

If Prodos had suddenly found 500k down the back of the couch to renew Warzone in some form.. then a lot of the things that we had been working on might have been able to see the light of day (not to mention all those profiles we had that never got miniatures). Kirkwood would have had more time for testing and.. heck, we could have released some of the content that was bundled into Kirkwood as distinct, independent products that should have been used to pad out the physical releases.

But.. shoulda, woulda, coulda..


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 18:49:29


Post by: Barzam


Don't forget, PRODOS had hard plastic stuff in the works and had even gotten as far as production for some of them. Shame they'll probably never see the light of day and I suspect these guys didn't purchase the molds.

If we see any Dark Eden tribes, I want a fleshed out Sons of Rasputin. Those guys were awesome. Aside from maybe two of them, I have the whole SoR line. Their designs were cool, but definitely let down by the sculpts.

I'd like to see some of the Megacorp stuff from dark Eden, too they had really cool designs, but never got any minis, like the Capitol Wolverines. Much cooler design in the rulebook than what we eventually got from Prodos.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 19:29:06


Post by: Ronin_eX


Heartbreaker and Target were basically the same. Heartbreaker started off as a company that did miniatures for other games by license. Target did the rules and owned the setting, Heartbreaker did the minis but were technically a separate company. They merged completely in '97.

So Target were the originals (with Heartbreaker handling the miniature line), then it died in '99 when Target went under due to their parent company going bankrupt (they could have pulled a Paradox and kept going, but had sunk too much in to plastic production and couldn't afford the rights). A lot of ex-Target staff would go on to form iKore and do Celtos and Void.

Then Excelsior Entertainment licensed it and did a fairly good job of Chronopia, but badly mishandled Warzone. After years of delays and an ultimately disappointing edition, they ended up losing both licenses before much of anything happened with it. They tried biting off the whole thing at once instead of growing the game organically and it ended up just sort of being a curiosity only noticed by Warzone grognards.

Prince August bought up the excess stock after this and kept on selling the minis. Apparently they seem to have gotten the rights to produce the old Heartbreaker line again as they haven't run dry on minis yet (not sure when that happened, last time I bought from them stock was limited and it was hard to get some sculpts).

FFG then grabbed the rights to the minis game and around the same time another company picked up the RPG rights. FFG's attempt generally pissed off most fans because their collections wouldn't transfer due to scale change, and the game itself probably proved a bit too different from the squad-based skirmish roots to resonate much with them anyways. And when it comes to a relatively obscure property, you kind of need that established fan base to boost your signal and get new people excited. This one died quickly. On the RPG side, the company (whose name escapes me, but I also don't think they ever produced anything*) lost the license before publishing the books. Probably for the best, since they made a lot of strange setting changes like axing Cybertronic entirely (but that isn't exactly new for MC/Warzone given how much Target retconned in 2nd Edition Warzone).

The property sat for a while (bad movie notwithstanding) and eventually we reached the Prodos/Modiphius era. Modiphius did a great job on the RPG side, but Prodos fumbled hard right after their initial KS and things were all downhill from there.

So while it feels like the property is cursed and doomed, most of the post-Target attempts have also be handled relatively incompetently with only Modiphius's RPG being a counterpoint to the ineptitude. Hopefully Res Nova learns from all those mistakes and finally sticks the landing on this one, but given that I already own all the rulebooks and more minis than I know what to do with across all editions, if they screw it up then I just go back to playing house-ruled 1st Edition again.

When a game dies as much as Warzone, you just learn to love what already existed and get better and homebrewing if you want to spice it up.

* Edit - COG Games, the company was called COG Games.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/20 20:07:19


Post by: Luke82


Picked up some undead legionnaires and trenchers for painting funzies from Prince August, looking forward to seeing what new stuff comes out.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/21 04:04:13


Post by: Manchu


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
An unknown company doing a kickstarter? In plastic too? If we see anything it will be trenchers vs zombies with a couple of Brotherhood dudes and demons.
TBH I’m down for that!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/04/21 06:03:52


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Manchu wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
An unknown company doing a kickstarter? In plastic too? If we see anything it will be trenchers vs zombies with a couple of Brotherhood dudes and demons.
TBH I’m down for that!


Truth to be told so would I.

IF we get anything at all...


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/14 08:35:28


Post by: Shadow Walker


New video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5331&v=L2wsuDFXUKY&feature=emb_logo
5 Megacorps and Algeroth at the start, Cartel and other Dark Apostles later.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/14 10:34:50


Post by: Malika2


Pictures or it didn't happen!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/14 19:17:35


Post by: Alpharius


Is there a breakdown of the info somewhere?

I like Bryan, I'm REALLY interested in a resurrected Warzone, but I'm not sure if I've got the 2 hours and 15 minutes reserve of patience to watch it all right now!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/14 20:59:39


Post by: Llamahead


What happened with Age of Tyrants the 6mm stuff as well?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/14 21:52:35


Post by: His Master's Voice


 Malika2 wrote:
Pictures or it didn't happen!


There one (1) brief shot of a Blood Beret render that wouldn't look out of place next to second (or was it third?) edition plastics.

Just so that we're clear, that's NOT a compliment.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/15 03:00:26


Post by: Ronin_eX


 His Master's Voice wrote:
 Malika2 wrote:
Pictures or it didn't happen!


There one (1) brief shot of a Blood Beret render that wouldn't look out of place next to second (or was it third?) edition plastics.

Just so that we're clear, that's NOT a compliment.


Kev White’s 2nd Edition sculpts still look damn good. I’d prefer they stick to the over-the-top aesthetic originally established rather than reinvent the wheel. Similarity to the 2nd Edition sculpts is a big plus in my books. Every attempt to modernize the aesthetic (see Prodos’s early Bauhaus concepts for a recent example) lose the charm of the setting. Mutant Chronicles is a love letter to 2000AD that kept not taking itself seriously, and the sculpts should maintain that feel. Kev's sculpts always felt close to Bonner’s art, and I lament that he never got to give us new Venusian Rangers.

There is of course more to a reboot than one WIP render, but that at least gives me better vibes than the last attempt at a reboot.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/15 03:36:43


Post by: madzerker


yeah, I agree, the render shown looked like it kept first edition feel but a lot better quality in sculpt. Much better then the Prodos Bauhaus reinvisioning. I like keeping to the artwork of Bonner and Paulo Parente much more then the newer art that Prodos used. Hopefully I will like the material. They said plastic, but not pvs or hps, so I am not sure what that means.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/15 06:48:31


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Llamahead wrote:
What happened with Age of Tyrants the 6mm stuff as well?


Wasn't that Void/Metropolis/Urban War? Not Mutant Chronicles/Warzone?

Regardless, the fact we're asking 3 to 5 years later is probably the answer.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Huh, how about that. They actually did get some product out.

https://www.shop.scotiagrendel.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=217_219_253


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/15 08:17:42


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Alpharius wrote:
Is there a breakdown of the info somewhere?

I like Bryan, I'm REALLY interested in a resurrected Warzone, but I'm not sure if I've got the 2 hours and 15 minutes reserve of patience to watch it all right now!

From RPGNET by @Brother Jim:
1....Classic 1st Ed. looks, but updated for modern production capabilities.
2....The 5 Megacorps [Bauhaus, Capitol, Cybertronic, Imperial and Mishima] and Algeroth's Dark Legion to start out with.
3....Brotherhood and The Cartel and the other 4 Apostles of Darkness will be added later.
4....Each force will start with two unit types available.
5....The rules may be available for free.
6....Army lists will be separate from the rules.
7....They envision tables being 3 feet x 3 feet with 60%+ of the table covered by terrain.
8....Possible Kickstarter in 2021, but only if the rules and the basic troops are done.
9....Res Nova Games doesn't have a website yet, but they're on social media @ResNovaGames.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/15 08:56:47


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


One big thing from the section linked - The plastic Blood Beret (Space England elite trooper) they show briefly is an early render but there is a finished one they planned to give out at Adeptacon, so there is at least the beginning of a product out there.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/15 10:04:19


Post by: The_Minsk


Where was the miniature shown? Is it in the you tube video


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/15 10:27:24


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


I didn't watch the whole thing but on the part linked no mini was shown only an early render, they then say they'd planned to give it at Adepticon.

So hopefully that means they're pretty far along, far along enough to have samples in hand.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/15 11:23:07


Post by: His Master's Voice


 Ronin_eX wrote:
I’d prefer they stick to the over-the-top aesthetic originally established rather than reinvent the wheel.


Well, yeah, I'd like that too. But keeping the original aesthetic does not prevent them from utilizing good proportions and reasonable posing.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/15 15:57:23


Post by: Sabotage!


I'm curious to see how this goes. I had Siege of the Citadel when I was a kid and thought it was too cool. Also I loved Bryan's work on Dark Age. It was one of the best games I have ever played, shame CMON killed it.

All that said this looks kind of suspicious.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/15 16:04:11


Post by: Alpharius


Shadow Walker wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
Is there a breakdown of the info somewhere?

I like Bryan, I'm REALLY interested in a resurrected Warzone, but I'm not sure if I've got the 2 hours and 15 minutes reserve of patience to watch it all right now!

From RPGNET by @Brother Jim:
1....Classic 1st Ed. looks, but updated for modern production capabilities.
2....The 5 Megacorps [Bauhaus, Capitol, Cybertronic, Imperial and Mishima] and Algeroth's Dark Legion to start out with.
3....Brotherhood and The Cartel and the other 4 Apostles of Darkness will be added later.
4....Each force will start with two unit types available.
5....The rules may be available for free.
6....Army lists will be separate from the rules.
7....They envision tables being 3 feet x 3 feet with 60%+ of the table covered by terrain.
8....Possible Kickstarter in 2021, but only if the rules and the basic troops are done.
9....Res Nova Games doesn't have a website yet, but they're on social media @ResNovaGames.


Thank you for that - much appreciated!

I do wish they had their own website up by now, but...

His Master's Voice wrote:
 Ronin_eX wrote:
I’d prefer they stick to the over-the-top aesthetic originally established rather than reinvent the wheel.


Well, yeah, I'd like that too. But keeping the original aesthetic does not prevent them from utilizing good proportions and reasonable posing.


When I was skipping around in the video, I do remember them specifically saying that they were going to do just that - keep the original aesthetic but not go crazy with the heroic proportions...


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/15 20:33:21


Post by: His Master's Voice


I mean, this looks pretty heroic to me, classic ham hands and all.



It ain't no Sister of Battle, that's for sure.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/06/15 22:27:39


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


That’s not heroic. That’s modeled after a real person, Gus. Gus may not have his numbers or a lot to say, but he’s gentle with pets and can hold a pose long as you like.

He came highly recommended as a model model by his good friend, Gary Morley.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/07/05 16:24:52


Post by: Vertrucio


These chat videos are a little ineffective when they really need to show miniatures and gameplay first. After all, Warzone for a while now has just been conversation.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/07/08 21:15:12


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Slightly off of our topic but Prince August is having a 25% off sale on their classic WZ models till July 14.

https://shop.princeaugust.ie/mutant-chronicles-warzone-classic/


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/07/09 09:06:12


Post by: Siygess


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Slightly off of our topic but Prince August is having a 25% off sale on their classic WZ models till July 14.

https://shop.princeaugust.ie/mutant-chronicles-warzone-classic/


Dang it! I have been swinging by their site once a month or so and filling the cart with an assortment of character models and specialists that I always kind liked despite the old aesthetic.. but I could never bring myself to actually complete checkout.

The discount finally pushed me over the edge but some of those models are no longer available, including Mitch Hunter. Ah well, time to hit ebay!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/07/13 16:09:37


Post by: Albertorius


...yeah, unless they end up doing some kind of cliff notes, there's no way I'm gonna watch their hour+ rambly videos, sorry.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/07/13 16:37:30


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Albertorius wrote:
...yeah, unless they end up doing some kind of cliff notes, there's no way I'm gonna watch their hour+ rambly videos, sorry.

Few highlights:
- no templates but still area affecting effects for grenades etc. (scatter too)
- special forces will be mostly similar when it comes to stats (because they are all well trainded humans), the difference will lie mostly in skills/equipment, so they will still feel differently (as they should, coming from a different Megacorps)
- morale will be not about the running because the firefight started (at least for the special forces - they are well trained professionals after all) but about someone being able to mess with you (like Dark Symmetry etc.)
- small forces made of variety of specialists (you can have a medic for example)


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/07/13 16:50:16


Post by: warboss


Any minis previews? Thanks for the recap.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/07/14 08:04:13


Post by: Shadow Walker


 warboss wrote:
Any minis previews? Thanks for the recap.

Not in this video (the only one shown so far is a Blood Beret you can see few posts above).


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/07/14 09:00:29


Post by: Siygess


I doubt we will see any more mini previews until the end of the year. This one was announced so early that the ingredients were still in the packaging.

Gonna be a while before there is a cake to show off


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/07/14 10:03:44


Post by: Albertorius


 Shadow Walker wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
...yeah, unless they end up doing some kind of cliff notes, there's no way I'm gonna watch their hour+ rambly videos, sorry.

Few highlights:
- no templates but still area affecting effects for grenades etc. (scatter too)
- special forces will be mostly similar when it comes to stats (because they are all well trainded humans), the difference will lie mostly in skills/equipment, so they will still feel differently (as they should, coming from a different Megacorps)
- morale will be not about the running because the firefight started (at least for the special forces - they are well trained professionals after all) but about someone being able to mess with you (like Dark Symmetry etc.)
- small forces made of variety of specialists (you can have a medic for example)


Thanks for the highlights!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/07/14 14:12:23


Post by: His Master's Voice


 Siygess wrote:
I doubt we will see any more mini previews until the end of the year. This one was announced so early that the ingredients were still in the packaging.

Gonna be a while before there is a cake to show off


Well, at least the gentlemen involved seem to be genuinely enthusiastic about the game, even if they have nothing of substance to show.



Then again, pretty much every iteration of Warzone had an enthusiastic crew behind it. That franchise paved hell twice over by now.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/07/14 14:38:15


Post by: Siygess


 His Master's Voice wrote:
 Siygess wrote:
I doubt we will see any more mini previews until the end of the year. This one was announced so early that the ingredients were still in the packaging.

Gonna be a while before there is a cake to show off


Well, at least the gentlemen involved seem to be genuinely enthusiastic about the game, even if they have nothing of substance to show.



Then again, pretty much every iteration of Warzone had an enthusiastic crew behind it. That franchise paved hell twice over by now.


Sad but true. A product does not exist - and continue to exist - on enthusiasm alone. Time will tell, I guess


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/08/11 21:27:44


Post by: Steel Rabbit


I'm a bit more confident in this endeavor due to the fact that it seems like those involved are Warzone fans (Bryan Steele is a games designer, who used to play Warzone and worked on Dark Age, and the Res Nova guy used to be a Crusader when Target ran things).

I also like the render of the Blood Beret. It seems way more paintable than the Prodos stuff (which looked nice, but drove me nuts when it came time to get them table-ready).

It doesn't sound like they're going with the flexible action point system that WZ 1–3 had, but I can overlook that if the game is as narrative as they're making it sound, and it plays nicely.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/09/25 17:12:07


Post by: Shadow Walker


New video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGlS_QekCw8&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0QSlPNKgiEhynsObJWgLj-OYgcJa3IvJFGBKUECaAZxV53JpVaExzW8Lo
Highlights:
Action/Reaction system: Most models will have 1 Action token to spend for 2 standard actions (shoot, move, close combat etc.) and 1 free action (activates special skills (for example heavy weapon specialist will use the free action to not need to brace before firing HMG = not getting the negative modifiers for firing without using the standard action to brace), and 1 Reaction token to spend to be able to act in the enemy turn (like dodge, grab objective, shoot etc.)
2 point costs: Deployment points = standard point cost, regular troopers will have only this cost, low trained ones (like Ashigaru, Ducal Militia etc.) may cost just 1 point for a squad (they will activate together), and Specialist points = cost of including a specialist, more specialists will cost more points.
Damages: depending how bad you failed your armor roll, you will get a Pinned counters (harder to react or make lidership tests etc.), and Wounded counters (will reduce your effectiveness just as a any wound would do in real life, also if you will have as much tokens as wounds characteristic then your degree of damage will double = powerful weapons etc. may as well one shot kill you).


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/09/25 17:27:12


Post by: warboss


Any fig previews? I can't speak for anyone else but cool looking figs will get me to listen to info about the rules.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/09/25 18:04:34


Post by: Alpharius


 warboss wrote:
Any fig previews? I can't speak for anyone else but cool looking figs will get me to listen to info about the rules.


Ha!

Well, you can speak for me here on that one at least - need moar mini pics!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/09/25 18:22:51


Post by: NAVARRO


Nope. Confrontation, Warzone and such have a top place in my war-gaming life memories and Im fed up of incompetent trying to revive it and mess it up over and over again.

So just let the dead rest please.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/09/25 18:58:03


Post by: Vertrucio


 Shadow Walker wrote:
...
Action/Reaction system: Most models will have 1 Action token to spend for 2 standard actions (shoot, move, close combat etc.) ...


Should clarify this that it's an Activation Token that gives 2 standard actions, just for additional clarity in wording.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/09/25 20:02:00


Post by: warboss


 Alpharius wrote:

Ha!

Well, you can speak for me here on that one at least - need moar mini pics!


Indeed! I've stopped plenty of times walking through a crowded games store to admire figs and terrain and ask about the game they were playing... but I've never been stopped in my tracks by a sexy wall of flavor text or an alluring stat sheet.

It's not that they're unimportant because they absolutely are to keeping a player interested both in the short and long term; it's just that they don't typically get the eyeballs looking at the rules in the first place.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/09/26 08:45:38


Post by: Shadow Walker


 warboss wrote:
Any fig previews? I can't speak for anyone else but cool looking figs will get me to listen to info about the rules.

No minis in this one. It was a video from the rules designer talking about IP and rules. Cool loking minis are important but when the rules are crap it means the game will die, and there will be no more cool minis Also for me background trumps both minis and rules.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2020/10/26 20:30:23


Post by: Morghot


The blood berret prototype showed in the last video, you can see it from 29.10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67s7dPorqo8


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/02 15:10:59


Post by: Shadow Walker


So apparently the new game will be called Warzone Eternal. If I was a superstitious then I would think that they really want that the universe laughs back at them.

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Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/02 15:24:54


Post by: Cronch


I continue to be amazed by how much effort goes into reviving a brand that continues to slam into the pavement every time it's brought back. I wish them luck.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/02 15:32:19


Post by: Shadow Walker


Cronch wrote:
I continue to be amazed by how much effort goes into reviving a brand that continues to slam into the pavement every time it's brought back. I wish them luck.
Well, it died each and every time by the incompetence of the ones holding the IP. If it dies this time it will be for the very same reason.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/02 15:38:53


Post by: His Master's Voice


Warzone is one of those games that defined a generation of wargamers, and has a setting that is reasonably unique, so I get where the attempts at revival come from.

Hell, if I had, say, thirty grand to lose, I'd go about it myself.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/02 17:18:27


Post by: warboss


 Shadow Walker wrote:
So apparently the new game will be called Warzone Eternal. If I was a superstitious then I would think that they really want that the universe laughs back at them.


They should have gone with Reternal instead as it's more self aware. And, no, I've never played any Metal Gear game ever.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/02 17:27:53


Post by: Shadow Walker


 warboss wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
So apparently the new game will be called Warzone Eternal. If I was a superstitious then I would think that they really want that the universe laughs back at them.


They should have gone with Reternal instead as it's more self aware. And, no, I've never played any Metal Gear game ever.

I had to check on google (please do not hate me ) what a Metal Gear is but yeah, Reternal would be better


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/02 17:58:34


Post by: warboss


 Shadow Walker wrote:
 warboss wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
So apparently the new game will be called Warzone Eternal. If I was a superstitious then I would think that they really want that the universe laughs back at them.


They should have gone with Reternal instead as it's more self aware. And, no, I've never played any Metal Gear game ever.

I had to check on google (please do not hate me ) what a Metal Gear is but yeah, Reternal would be better


Just in case, the Metal Gear series of games had one subtitled Revengeance and I thought that might translate well here. And I was serious about never playing any of them as it just wasn't my preference (though I was aware of the title obviously).


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/02 18:42:35


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


How can it fail! It has its own movie!




Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/02 18:52:22


Post by: warboss


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
How can it fail! It has its own movie!

Spoiler:



I know, right! I mean that's a sure fire route to success on the tabletop! And we all know movie tie in videogames are always GOTY contenders too. It's win, win for all involved.

Spoiler:




Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/02 18:53:40


Post by: Alpharius


I'm going to give it a look and pick some stuff up due to Bryan's involvement.

Generally speaking, I like his games and he's a heck of a nice guy too!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/03 09:59:10


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Alpharius wrote:
I'm going to give it a look and pick some stuff up due to Bryan's involvement.

Generally speaking, I like his games and he's a heck of a nice guy too!

I will also like to give it a look but first they need to show something more than his videos talking about the rules. At this point there should be some renders for 2-3 factions. And yes, he seems to be a nice guy but Chris from Modiphius is a nice guy too, and yet I am still waiting for my KS from the Mutant Chronicles: Siege of the Citadel to be delivered, which was funded November 2016. What I know for sure is that I will never back anything on KS so Res Nova better be quick with the retail for this new Warzone.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/03 10:01:58


Post by: Cronch


And that's probably why it fails. Because the only people that try are nostalgia-driven amateurs or tiny operations.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/03 10:25:42


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


I also understand the Mutant Chronicles rights holders are not the easiest to work with...


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/03 10:36:11


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I also understand the Mutant Chronicles rights holders are not the easiest to work with...
Heard the same but...does it not always come from the very people who failed to do anything with the IP?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/03 11:13:42


Post by: His Master's Voice


 Shadow Walker wrote:

I will also like to give it a look but first they need to show something more than his videos talking about the rules.


Yeah, if anyone thinks they can revive Warzone on a rules set... well, there's plenty of space on that tombstone for one more set of dates.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/03 11:29:42


Post by: Jack Flask


 Shadow Walker wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
I'm going to give it a look and pick some stuff up due to Bryan's involvement.

Generally speaking, I like his games and he's a heck of a nice guy too!

I will also like to give it a look but first they need to show something more than his videos talking about the rules. At this point there should be some renders for 2-3 factions. And yes, he seems to be a nice guy but Chris from Modiphius is a nice guy too, and yet I am still waiting for my KS from the Mutant Chronicles: Siege of the Citadel to be delivered, which was funded November 2016. What I know for sure is that I will never back anything on KS so Res Nova better be quick with the retail for this new Warzone.


Modiphus has been sending regular emails since the Kickstarter finished letting people know what was going on, and if you did split shipping then you should already have the base game in hand...

Also if you read the last email Dark Legion pledges started delivering in Asia (and I think UK) last month, with the rest going through customs.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/03 15:34:00


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Jack Flask wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
I'm going to give it a look and pick some stuff up due to Bryan's involvement.

Generally speaking, I like his games and he's a heck of a nice guy too!

I will also like to give it a look but first they need to show something more than his videos talking about the rules. At this point there should be some renders for 2-3 factions. And yes, he seems to be a nice guy but Chris from Modiphius is a nice guy too, and yet I am still waiting for my KS from the Mutant Chronicles: Siege of the Citadel to be delivered, which was funded November 2016. What I know for sure is that I will never back anything on KS so Res Nova better be quick with the retail for this new Warzone.


Modiphus has been sending regular emails since the Kickstarter finished letting people know what was going on, and if you did split shipping then you should already have the base game in hand...

Also if you read the last email Dark Legion pledges started delivering in Asia (and I think UK) last month, with the rest going through customs.

I know, I read every comment/update/email etc. This KS was a total mess (it is I who made a big list of errors after each file they released, and they still managed to not correct them all, despite having years to do this), and is a proof that when the IP is handled poorly it will fail again, and being a nice guy will not change it.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/03/03 17:45:32


Post by: Monkeysloth


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I also understand the Mutant Chronicles rights holders are not the easiest to work with...


Isn't it Cabinet? That an odd one as who owns and runs the holding company as it has really crazy history over the past 20 years. Currently it's one of the founders (who I believe took it private) and, at least from the Conan side of things, people say he's pretty good to work with.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/04/07 16:51:52


Post by: Shadow Walker


New video with Alex from the Res Nova https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQq5IS9yoYU

Summary:
Rules are being heavly playtested to assure the balance (5th round of the playtest currently). They want to be sure that the rules are proof for the multiple waves of minis releases so there is no need to constantly update them. KS will be no sooner than a late fall of the year. They will not start it untill they have ready = playtested properly rules and sculpted models for the 1st waves so there are no surprises (like costs etc.) for them because they did not think about something during KS. There will not be an ''endless'' list of goals during KS to not overwhelm both them and the retailers. In short starting smaller but smarter. Boxes will usually allow to build 5 models with options to build specialists like sniper/HMG etc., and be a dual kits. For example Imperial will have a box for 5 Blood Berets/Golden Lions. There will be boxes for all 5 megacorps and for the Dark Legion. There will be some classic art in the rulebook but also a new by some unknown for now artist, who did work for Paizo, and apparently his art is very close to Bonner's.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/04/07 19:02:37


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Play? Testing?

I thought that was what 1st editions were for, then you fix them in 2nd, make them too complicated and bloated in 3rd, and reboot in 4th


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/04/08 01:09:49


Post by: Sacredroach


Just release more Ilian stuff and I shall be happy. Or re-release the sculpts in the Siege at the Citadel. Both are good.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/04/08 08:17:04


Post by: Siygess


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Play? Testing?

I thought that was what 1st editions were for, then you fix them in 2nd, make them too complicated and bloated in 3rd, and reboot in 4th


Right? Play testing is what we used to do before living rule books gave us the excuse to 'fix it in post' as often as we like!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/04/08 08:53:33


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Siygess wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Play? Testing?

I thought that was what 1st editions were for, then you fix them in 2nd, make them too complicated and bloated in 3rd, and reboot in 4th


Right? Play testing is what we used to do before living rule books gave us the excuse to 'fix it in post' as often as we like!


Or y'know in $50 codexes, followed by $50 campaign supplements, and then a $100 new edition with a new $50 codex...

Don't these guys know anything?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/06/16 13:07:05


Post by: Shadow Walker


So we have another looong video (over 2h this time) for which I cannot find enthusiasm to watch, at least for now. Maybe someone else will do a summary this time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2wsuDFXUKY&t=116s


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/06/16 13:51:24


Post by: His Master's Voice


It's all rules design philosophy, franchise not tainted, support new stuff, miniatures like Bonner intended talk as far as I can tell.

Supposedly, production samples of plastic (not PVC, not HIPS) miniatures exist. Torso+legs in one piece, separate shoulder pads, arms and heads. All subject to change, nothing shown on camera.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/06/16 14:15:31


Post by: lord_blackfang


 His Master's Voice wrote:
plastic (not PVC, not HIPS)


So... PVC


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/06/16 14:16:27


Post by: Shadow Walker


 His Master's Voice wrote:
It's all rules design philosophy, franchise not tainted, support new stuff, miniatures like Bonner intended talk as far as I can tell.

Supposedly, production samples of plastic (not PVC, not HIPS) miniatures exist. Torso+legs in one piece, separate shoulder pads, arms and heads. All subject to change, nothing shown on camera.
Thanks for the summary Plastic that is not PVC?HIPS? As to the rest it is basically the repetition from other videos. Really Res Nova, couldn't you give at least a render?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/06/16 14:20:03


Post by: His Master's Voice


They did show a render.

The same one they've shown a year ago.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/06/16 14:30:30


Post by: Shadow Walker


 His Master's Voice wrote:
They did show a render.

The same one they've shown a year ago.
Really, after a year they decided to show again the same pic? It is like they are trying not to build any hype. I had recently my Siege of the Citadel KS delivered and some MC nostalgia from old times hit me again, if briefly, so I had more expectations from the vid. Oh well, maybe next time haha.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/06/16 14:50:10


Post by: His Master's Voice


I skimmed the video again to make sure no other images were shown, and yeah, that's it.

As an aside, listening to those guys trying to steer around the landmine question of, and I quote, "are you intending to tone it down (...) to make it not quite so white guy Eurocentric" was amusing. Lots and lots of awkward pauses, ummms and ahs.

Hearing that Brom's art for Dark Age was 'problematic' was less fun.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/06/16 14:54:30


Post by: lord_blackfang


I know nothing about it but isn't it like WW1 except in a corporate dystopia (in spaaace)?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/06/16 14:58:45


Post by: Mammoth miniatures


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
How can it fail! It has its own movie!




Gosh I'd forgotten how cheap and brown that film was. Like a cup of cold tea.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/06/16 15:11:02


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 lord_blackfang wrote:
I know nothing about it but isn't it like WW1 except in a corporate dystopia (in spaaace)?


Cyberpunk WWI Zombie Apocalypse IN SPAAAAAACE.

Yes.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/06/17 09:39:11


Post by: The_Real_Chris


 Sacredroach wrote:


On that note, still impatiently waiting for my Siege at the Citadel...


Mine has arrived...


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/10/17 16:37:41


Post by: Khornate25


Just heard the news (one year late). And to know the Bryan is on the team (being a fan of him since Dark Age), this hypes me up .


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/11/16 13:04:08


Post by: Shadow Walker


Some news copied from 4chan

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Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/11/16 13:16:20


Post by: His Master's Voice


So, no release date in sight, a really weird release structure that lets no one (except Algeroth) make a functional army, and a shot of someone's fingernails.

Eh, all things considered, could be worse.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/11/16 14:00:27


Post by: Theophony


 His Master's Voice wrote:
So, no release date in sight, a really weird release structure that lets no one (except Algeroth) make a functional army, and a shot of someone's fingernails.

Eh, all things considered, could be worse.


Would you prefer a scale shot with a tape measure rolled up next to it?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2021/11/16 14:06:09


Post by: Albertorius


 Theophony wrote:
 His Master's Voice wrote:
So, no release date in sight, a really weird release structure that lets no one (except Algeroth) make a functional army, and a shot of someone's fingernails.

Eh, all things considered, could be worse.


Would you prefer a scale shot with a tape measure rolled up next to it?

i mean, I'd expect them to take the time to actually take a quick shot of the mini with the phone or something instead of trying to show if from a webcam. That's just... why.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/02/25 20:20:35


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


And pour one out for the latest Mutant Chronicles RPG revival (not related to the latest Warzone mini game as far as I know)

https://www.facebook.com/MutantChroniclesRPG/

In 2013, Modiphius started work on a reboot of the classic dieselpunk roleplaying game Mutant Chronicles, and along with it, our in house 2d20 roleplaying system.
Getting to work with Mutant Chronicles was a wild experience, I’d bought and played the games in the 90’s so being able to bring this universe back, and expand on the story was so much fun, especially for our new young company.
The project triggered our development of 2d20, the game system that would go on to fuel other Modiphius roleplaying games like Conan, John Carter of Mars, Infinity, Dishonored, Fallout, Achtung! Cthulhu and Dune. Jay Little (the designer behind FFG’s Star Wars RPG and X-Wing) was brought on board to take our fledgling ideas and turn them into a professional all singing, all dancing RPG system that could face the rigours of the Dark Symmetry and serve it up for breakfast!
Through the 2014 Kickstarter, we ended up funding 18 books, a Savage Worlds edition of the rules, GM screen, multiple card decks and RPG miniatures. We roamed the solar system, explored the different timelines, revealed never before seen secrets of the Mutant Chronicles universe, and brought the story to a stunning final climactic battle with the Dark Apostles on Earth. After that, we created the RPG tie-in for the Siege of the Citadel board game to let players take part in one of the greatest battles mankind would ever face.
Now 9 years later our journey through the Mutant Chronicles has come to an end, we feel like what we created moved the story on so much and filled in lots of gaps the fans had been asking for… and we realised this was a great time to close the story. It’s time to return it to the hands of Cabinet Licensing who I’m sure will have plans for the future (for example there is a new edition of Warzone in the works!)
We’re now placing all the remaining Mutant Chronicles stock on sale at a 50% discount through our webstore (except for a couple of recent releases) so if you’ve been hanging on this is your last chance to pick up the Mutant Chronicles 3rd Edition roleplaying game and its many supplements and remaining accessories.
At the same time, we’ll be making the remaining stock of Siege of the Citadel boardgame available very soon - from the base game to the various expansions - these are not going to retail so it will be your last chance to get this too.
Both lines will cease sales at the end of June so grab them while you can!

Chris Birch, Modiphius

https://www.modiphius.net/collections/mutant-chronicles
https://modiphius.us/collections/mutant-chronicles


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/02/25 21:35:12


Post by: deleted20220509


Talk about a cursed IP.

Thinking back nearly 30 years, I believe this has gone through no less than a dozen hands. Without taking into consideration all the changes that Target games went through first.

I enjoyed the D20 resolution of the wargame and still respect that engine, but the IP... talk about overrated.

Its dead, Jim. Let it rest in peace finally.When you use such magic to bring back your loved ones, it doesnt work. They return as dark creatures. Things that are no longer what you loved. Render unto the past what belongs to the past.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/02/25 21:39:50


Post by: warboss


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
And pour one out for the latest Mutant Chronicles RPG revival (not related to the latest Warzone mini game as far as I know)

https://www.facebook.com/MutantChroniclesRPG/


Well, I guess they won't be getting free synergy/marketing from there unfortunately.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/02/25 23:45:13


Post by: Siygess


On the plus side, this popped up on some painter's FB feed the other day:



I am liking what I am seeing. It seems on par with the level of detail we got from Prodos, with a scale that seems to match their later stuff (e.g. most of the WZR Imperials) as opposed to the original models they put out after the kickstarter, which were noticeably more true scale.

EDIT: It was originally posted on the "Shoshie's Magnificent Mini Painting" FB account if you want to check the source.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/02/26 01:39:48


Post by: Ronin_eX


While sad in that MC 3rd could have used a new edition to clean things up... I'm also not all that upset. Modiphius did a good job with it and while it is missing a few things (like the end of the Venusian Apocalypse campaign), it is basically complete at this point and has a ton of material (and most of the "big questions" are now answered in either case). Modiphius is also probably the first company to work with Mutant Chronicles that didn't end up folding in on itself (if anything, MC and the 2d20 system ended up being a springboard for them to become one of the most prominent RPG publishers in the industry).

Sad to see it go again, but at least it got a fair run this time, just a shame they won't be able to keep selling it for more folks to enjoy, but that is a risk with any licensed RPG and sadly is the common fate of most at this point. When a license stops bringing in enough to justify renewing it, the best decision is usually to just walk away. RPG's aren't exactly known for their stellar long term RoI after all.

Fun Fact: Modiphius published MC 3rd Edition for longer than Target Games published the Mutant Chronicles/Warzone lines. 1st Edition released in 1993 and the company folded in 1999. So only six years, so a 9 year run is probably the best the game has done to date.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/02/26 08:33:58


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Ronin_eX wrote:


Fun Fact: Modiphius published MC 3rd Edition for longer than Target Games published the Mutant Chronicles/Warzone lines. 1st Edition released in 1993 and the company folded in 1999. So only six years, so a 9 year run is probably the best the game has done to date.


I have the original Target books and really enjoyed them back in the day (never played but read and reread them). I have the Modiphius PDFs from Humble Bundle, but never got around to them. My hard drive has its own closet of shame , how much new stuff was in them? Worth a read?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/02/26 10:36:32


Post by: Garfield666


I would say so.
I also loved the target stuff back then, though we played only a few times. To deep in Shadowrun at that time.
The HB books contain a lot of nice background material and stories. I never played the new edition, but enjoyed them as a read over the last Christmas vacation.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/02/26 10:45:45


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Siygess wrote:
On the plus side, this popped up on some painter's FB feed the other day:



I am liking what I am seeing. It seems on par with the level of detail we got from Prodos, with a scale that seems to match their later stuff (e.g. most of the WZR Imperials) as opposed to the original models they put out after the kickstarter, which were noticeably more true scale.

EDIT: It was originally posted on the "Shoshie's Magnificent Mini Painting" FB account if you want to check the source.


Are they moving to 40mm? Most 28mm figures are about 2 fingertips tall, this looks like 3.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/02/26 11:11:23


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I have the Modiphius PDFs from Humble Bundle, but never got around to them. My hard drive has its own closet of shame , how much new stuff was in them? Worth a read?

There is plenty of new stuff there, especially things that were not explored at all/or only skimmed in older editions.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/02/26 13:36:51


Post by: manic _miner


Modiphius have the Mutant Chronicles RPG books on sale at the moment.Down to half price.
https://www.modiphius.net/collections/mutant-chronicles


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/02/27 21:49:51


Post by: Ronin_eX


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 Ronin_eX wrote:


Fun Fact: Modiphius published MC 3rd Edition for longer than Target Games published the Mutant Chronicles/Warzone lines. 1st Edition released in 1993 and the company folded in 1999. So only six years, so a 9 year run is probably the best the game has done to date.


I have the original Target books and really enjoyed them back in the day (never played but read and reread them). I have the Modiphius PDFs from Humble Bundle, but never got around to them. My hard drive has its own closet of shame , how much new stuff was in them? Worth a read?


As others have said, definitely worth a look for fans of the property. We finally get an RPG supplement for Dark Eden (something that previously was only outlined for Warzone) as well as delving deeper in to the secret history stuff that only had its surface scratched the the various source books (i.e. the origins of the Cardinal(s), Cybertronic, the Dark Legion, etc.).

They also set up a lot of stuff in the time before the coming of the Dark Legion, lending itself more to Call of Cthulhu style investigation before the full extent of the Dark Symmetry is revealed to the world. And while the Venusian Apocalypse campaign (left unfinished back in the Target days) was never completed, they ended up doing their own era-spanning campaign that is actually quite cool.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/03/01 06:45:13


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Got the Dark Eden, Luna and Art books in PDF form.

Thanks for the recommendations.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/03/16 15:00:23


Post by: Shadow Walker


Found on 4chan - it is supposed to be a test model for the necromutant.

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Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/03/16 15:03:52


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Does his gun have two magazines of different sizes?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/03/16 15:08:28


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Does his gun have two magazines of different sizes?

If you think about the upper one thing then it is a handle. Belzarach rifle alway had it.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/03/16 15:12:04


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Do they like even know how to take pictures of models?

I ain't great at it but at least I know that no one wants to see a nice high-def shot of my finger prints.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/03/16 15:15:44


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Do they like even know how to take pictures of models?

I ain't great at it but at least I know that no one wants to see a nice high-def shot of my finger prints.

As mentioned it was found on 4chan = no idea if it is a pic that creators want to show as official or simply posted by someone who was given the mini to paint.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/03/16 19:24:06


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


So how old is Mutant Chronicles? It's as old as Warhammer, isn't it? Why does it keep dying?

Also, is this going to be skirmish like killzone or platoon like warhammer?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/03/16 23:35:30


Post by: His Master's Voice


It's nowhere near as old as Warhammer. The first print of the original RPG came out in 1993. Warzone came out in 1995, I think?

Anyway... the Golden Lion seems in line with the 2nd edition big box plastics - simple, but workable. I'm fine with that.

The Necromutant, on the other hand, cuts a little too close to the classic Heartbreaker models for my taste.

And by classic, I mean 90's pewter goofiness.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/14 15:08:30


Post by: Shadow Walker


Some more pics (from 4Chan):

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Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/14 19:55:33


Post by: Sabotage!


I actually quite like all of the three most recent minis shown. Nicely painted and they have a unique look. Mind you I haven't had anything to do with Warzone since having Siege of the Citadel waaaaay back when I was a kid.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/14 20:15:24


Post by: Soundtheory


I’m digging it; captures the old aesthetic (which I do like - dudes with lots of armor and shoulder pads to make footballers blush) with more modern sculpting and proportions. Hope this makes it out to retail!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/14 22:15:38


Post by: Garfield666


The figures are very nice - in fact, my only gripe is, they are painted to well. With a great paint job, even badly cast, bland figures become works of art. Several companies picked up on that over the past few years... Show me unpainted or primed examples!
Still, getting somewhat hyped for the KS


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/14 23:32:25


Post by: Dryaktylus


 Shadow Walker wrote:
Some more pics (from 4Chan):


First: Okayish. Though I don't think he can move his head. And I don't like the gun.
Second: Same. But the gun is awful. And the chaindagger doesn't fit.
Third: Looks like the old model. Not a fan. Would be okay without the oversized hands and the oversized crude futuristic gun.

Necro mutant: Also looks too much like the old models. What's the mutation? Looking like an Orc or ghoul in metal armour with huge hands and a Joker grin?

I think nostalgia is fine. But this is way too much. I bought the old starter box back then as the plastic models were decent and was genuinely shocked when I saw the metal range in the books...


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/15 00:40:52


Post by: warboss


They seem/feel more than a bit retro unlike the Prodos ones. Is that a feature or a bug?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/15 01:19:53


Post by: Soundtheory


 warboss wrote:
They seem/feel more than a bit retro unlike the Prodos ones. Is that a feature or a bug?


That is entirely up to your tastes. I do like that they harken back to the old aesthetic so well, as, to me at least, that look helps invoke the MC universe. I will admit, though, that aesthetic is very distinct, so if it doesn't appeal, that's fair.

ST


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/15 01:36:09


Post by: grahamdbailey


Personally, I thought the Prodos range were gakk, the aesthetic was massively different from the originals, and not in a good way so I avoided their offering. These, on the other hand, harken back to the original range in a manner that makes me hopeful.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/15 01:42:35


Post by: Sabotage!


I like that the new minis have large shoulder pads that match the aesthetic of the old minis, without looking absolutely ridiculous. The Chronopia reboot failed dramatically at that (the whole “Warmachine called, they want their shoulder pads back” thing).


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/15 01:52:06


Post by: warboss


 Soundtheory wrote:
 warboss wrote:
They seem/feel more than a bit retro unlike the Prodos ones. Is that a feature or a bug?


That is entirely up to your tastes. I do like that they harken back to the old aesthetic so well, as, to me at least, that look helps invoke the MC universe. I will admit, though, that aesthetic is very distinct, so if it doesn't appeal, that's fair.

ST


I'm not sure how I feel. I liked both the originals back in the day and the Prodos revamps. I'm just not sure the nostalgia factor will bring in newbies as much as a more modern look/feel. I admit though that I don't have a dog in the fight though as I only every had the core box (so many models in one box!!) and a couple of blisters. I drooled over many more though as they were revealed...


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/15 08:50:42


Post by: Shadow Walker


 warboss wrote:
They seem/feel more than a bit retro unlike the Prodos ones. Is that a feature or a bug?

I think it is intended as they said they want to get back to second edition of the MC RPG feel, with both looks and background.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/15 09:31:20


Post by: Agamemnon2


I like the Razide, the sculpt is competent and they haven't tried reinventing the wheel too badly.

But the IP is doomed, I question the wisdom of any company trying to work on it in the 21st century. Among their myriad of problems is that they'll inevitably clash with a much better known gaming IP that's also called "Warzone".


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/15 09:38:25


Post by: Shadow Walker


Another one

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Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/15 09:40:00


Post by: grahamdbailey





Yay, a Tactical Rock™️!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/15 09:55:27


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


So long as we're being pedantic... it's not a great pose because he's holding his vacuum cleaner-sized gun by the end with one hand which makes it look like the gun must be made of styrofoam. If he was holding it by the barrel or against his hip it would like the gun has weight, but this is a bit too video gamey.

Yeah, yeah, far future, steroids, cyber boosts etc, but it does not convey weight the way it should.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/15 12:02:37


Post by: warboss


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So long as we're being pedantic... it's not a great pose because he's holding his vacuum cleaner-sized gun by the end with one hand which makes it look like the gun must be made of styrofoam. If he was holding it by the barrel or against his hip it would like the gun has weight, but this is a bit too video gamey.

Yeah, yeah, far future, steroids, cyber boosts etc, but it does not convey weight the way it should.


It's not pedantic but rather a stylistic choice given the retro feel.

I'm a bit more concerned with the carry on luggage sized pistol melded into the thigh on the latter picture. Speaking as someone whose 3d modelling experience caps out at cubes and spheres but who has kitbashed dozens of models from digital bits, that holstered pistol looks like it was a completely separate model just added onto/into the figure (like I would do as an amateur) with the way that it clips into the thigh rather than being sculpted professionally on top of it.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/18 14:45:19


Post by: Soundtheory


 warboss wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So long as we're being pedantic... it's not a great pose because he's holding his vacuum cleaner-sized gun by the end with one hand which makes it look like the gun must be made of styrofoam. If he was holding it by the barrel or against his hip it would like the gun has weight, but this is a bit too video gamey.

Yeah, yeah, far future, steroids, cyber boosts etc, but it does not convey weight the way it should.


It's not pedantic but rather a stylistic choice given the retro feel.

I'm a bit more concerned with the carry on luggage sized pistol melded into the thigh on the latter picture. Speaking as someone whose 3d modelling experience caps out at cubes and spheres but who has kitbashed dozens of models from digital bits, that holstered pistol looks like it was a completely separate model just added onto/into the figure (like I would do as an amateur) with the way that it clips into the thigh rather than being sculpted professionally on top of it.


That's not a pistol, it's as second primary weapon strapped to that thigh!!

Tactical rocks don't bother me too much, so long as it's on a leader figure that I will not have many repeated poses.

I had not noticed how the side arm was sculpted to the hip until Warboss pointed it out, but I definitely see it. Eh, it's not great, but not a deal breaker on the line; overall I'm still liking how they are staying close to the original aesthetic. I'd like to see some more troopers!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/21 03:26:15


Post by: Sabotage!


Earlier today I listened to an interview with the guy who runs Res Nova on Upturned Table on YouTube. This game sounds pretty fantastic. 3x3 board, mostly developed by Bryan Steele (sounds like some similarities to Dark Age, which I loved), unit cards in unit box. No stretch goals on the KS because they want to actually have painted prototypes in hand to show so people know what they are getting, minis, Rulebooks, and cards all made in the US. Minis are going to be in Sio Cast. He did mention shipping hubs for European backers too.

He mentioned expansion books likely being war zone books and that have different narrative scenarios and environmental rules.

Sounds pretty great to me.



Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/21 08:10:13


Post by: Manchu


Pretty excited about this playing to fit on 3x3.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/21 09:15:10


Post by: Garfield666


 Sabotage! wrote:
Earlier today I listened to an interview with the guy who runs Res Nova on Upturned Table on YouTube. This game sounds pretty fantastic. 3x3 board, mostly developed by Bryan Steele (sounds like some similarities to Dark Age, which I loved), unit cards in unit box. No stretch goals on the KS because they want to actually have painted prototypes in hand to show so people know what they are getting, minis, Rulebooks, and cards all made in the US. Minis are going to be in Sio Cast. He did mention shipping hubs for European backers too.

He mentioned expansion books likely being war zone books and that have different narrative scenarios and environmental rules.

Sounds pretty great to me.



Sounds all good except the "Unit cards in unit boxes" part - that is almost a not-buy by default for me...
I understand they want to sell miniatures instead of having folks using their old stuff, but this is very limiting and cost intensive that way. If your rules and minis are that good, put the unit values in the book or in supplements. Like FoW/Team Yankee does. Keep the cards a nice-to-have.
I am one of those who have a boat load of MC stuff already and I don't want to leave it all out, just because I didn't buy the "official" new minis to get the unit card...

Lets see...


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/21 09:46:46


Post by: Shadow Walker


Unit cards? Not a fan of them. Would prefer unit stats in rulebook and/or PDF.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/21 14:04:10


Post by: warboss


 Soundtheory wrote:

That's not a pistol, it's as second primary weapon strapped to that thigh!!

Tactical rocks don't bother me too much, so long as it's on a leader figure that I will not have many repeated poses.

I had not noticed how the side arm was sculpted to the hip until Warboss pointed it out, but I definitely see it. Eh, it's not great, but not a deal breaker on the line; overall I'm still liking how they are staying close to the original aesthetic. I'd like to see some more troopers!


Thanks for the correction. I still think its a bit too visually bulky for a secondary thigh firearm personally but I'll chalk that up to personal preference and a desire for a more retro style. I don't think I'll ever get my eyeline to default to the clipping weapon though as I expect more from a professional sculpt than what I can do myself as an amateur using free software. As a side note and more subtle is the same thing happening to the hand and weapon where it was just plugged in rather than adjusted/tweaked after attaching; that one is admittedly definitely a nitpick and won't matter on the tabletop bur rather only in close up pics.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/21 16:25:32


Post by: Sabotage!


I can see those complaints on Unit cards, Res Novas reasoning was that they didn’t want to print stats in a rulebook that may be out of date after an FAQ, where unit cards are easy to put a PDF out of so people can just slip them in their current cards sleeves. The other reason is that if had enough changes to a faction’s stats they could just release an updated card pack and not have to reprint or make a whole new Rulebook.

That said I don’t see how putting an updated army list in PDF is that much different than PDF unit cards.

Personally I like Unit Cards as I don’t like flipping though books when I play games.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/21 21:28:59


Post by: Garfield666


OK, that's cool then. Cards are handy and having PDF or whole packs with all stat cards is fine by me.
Now come and take my nostalgia money!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/22 00:28:49


Post by: Sabotage!


 Garfield666 wrote:
OK, that's cool then. Cards are handy and having PDF or whole packs with all stat cards is fine by me.
Now come and take my nostalgia money!


Yeah, I think it would be awesome if them to release card packs or PDFs on release so people can use their older minis. Hopefully that will be available right away.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/22 01:34:20


Post by: Miguelsan


I think unit cards are also an in-fashion prop for games currently, Chronopia is also doing unit cards, but in this case the points will be on the manual too. I don't know if it was GW or FFG the ones that made them popular, but now many TT games are copying it as an easy way to display the stats of the units.

I don't really mind as long as it's a skirmish game, but past a certain size it becomes a burden.

M.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/22 03:30:53


Post by: Sabotage!


 Miguelsan wrote:
I think unit cards are also an in-fashion prop for games currently, Chronopia is also doing unit cards, but in this case the points will be on the manual too. I don't know if it was GW or FFG the ones that made them popular, but now many TT games are copying it as an easy way to display the stats of the units.

I don't really mind as long as it's a skirmish game, but past a certain size it becomes a burden.

M.


Oh for sure. Once they expand to tanks and 50 some of minis on the table it will be a nightmare. They are great for five or six individual minis, but once you start getting into units and what not….yuck.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/22 12:39:02


Post by: Soundtheory


 warboss wrote:
 Soundtheory wrote:

That's not a pistol, it's as second primary weapon strapped to that thigh!!

Tactical rocks don't bother me too much, so long as it's on a leader figure that I will not have many repeated poses.

I had not noticed how the side arm was sculpted to the hip until Warboss pointed it out, but I definitely see it. Eh, it's not great, but not a deal breaker on the line; overall I'm still liking how they are staying close to the original aesthetic. I'd like to see some more troopers!


Thanks for the correction. I still think its a bit too visually bulky for a secondary thigh firearm personally but I'll chalk that up to personal preference and a desire for a more retro style. I don't think I'll ever get my eyeline to default to the clipping weapon though as I expect more from a professional sculpt than what I can do myself as an amateur using free software. As a side note and more subtle is the same thing happening to the hand and weapon where it was just plugged in rather than adjusted/tweaked after attaching; that one is admittedly definitely a nitpick and won't matter on the tabletop bur rather only in close up pics.


No, you're right, it's a pistol, I as just commenting on it's incredible size for a side arm! It was a good observation, I'd honestly missed it myself, and as you said, something that should be avoided easily with a CAD design. For a moment, I wondered if they were trying to pay homage to the flaws you might see in old-school physical sculpting, but no, they've done far too much updating to the kit for it to be intentional.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Sabotage! wrote:
Earlier today I listened to an interview with the guy who runs Res Nova on Upturned Table on YouTube ...... Minis are going to be in Sio Cast.


Did he mention if it would be "hard" or "soft" Siocast? Apparently there two formulas now offered by the company - the original, softer plastic that veered more toward boardgame PVC, and newer, harder formula that tries to get closer to HIPS. The "hard" Siocast seems to allow for easier mold line removal and clean-up (filing and actual scraping), which has always been my turn off with the softer resin/plastics: you had to physically cut the mold lines down with a blade.

Goobertown Hobbies on Youtube actually did a recent video showcasing Siocast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMLdgF2nMSc

I'm excited for the potential of "hard" Siocast.

ST


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Miguelsan wrote:
I think unit cards are also an in-fashion prop for games currently, Chronopia is also doing unit cards, but in this case the points will be on the manual too. I don't know if it was GW or FFG the ones that made them popular, but now many TT games are copying it as an easy way to display the stats of the units.

I don't really mind as long as it's a skirmish game, but past a certain size it becomes a burden.

M.


I'd be okay with unit cards, if the stats are also in the rulebook, in case I ever loose cards. And if they don't start doing cards for weapon or equipment upgrades. That gets silly real fast, see X-Wing TMG - even with just four minis on the board, with all the upgrade cards and tokens.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/22 14:53:18


Post by: Sabotage!


He didn’t mention if it was hard or soft Siocast, to be honest I didn’t know there was such thing as Soft Siocast. I thought it was all like the Reaper Bones USA stuff. I’ll have to check out that Goobertown video. He did mention the faction boxes having multiple build options with different heads/weapons/accessories to make different units/specialists and I imagine that would be hard to achieve with softer material. The prototypes also don’t look to have any bend to them either, though who knows what they are made of. He did also mention PVC as one of the options, and how they did not want to go that route because the bend and inability to hold detail.


If the material turns out to be anything like Mantic Restic, I am out. That stuff was horrible to clean.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/04/22 15:33:03


Post by: warboss


The Goobertown video also introduced me to the two various types. As you mentioned, one is more bendy with hard to remove mould lines probably better suited to board games and the other is firmer with harder edges for details at the cost of some durability. Always good to have options depending on the game's use case/needs.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/17 15:30:40


Post by: Manchu


This is now live ~


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/17 16:08:19


Post by: Manchu


Not exactly a stunning presentation nor is it tearing out of the gate.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/17 16:20:35


Post by: Lucas Blackwolf


Those prices can't be helping ...


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/17 16:24:40


Post by: Albertorius


Lucas Blackwolf wrote:
Those prices can't be helping ...


And that's without VAT/charges...


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/17 16:44:39


Post by: lord_blackfang


That is not dead that which can eternal lie


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/17 16:48:55


Post by: warboss


I know it's a feature and not a bug but, personally, if I want a retro 90s sculpt from Warzone then I'll just hunt down one of the originals I lived back in the day. I still have some of my old Capitol figs and, as a recovering Rifts rpg player, you'll have to pry my Free Marine/Juicer out of my cold dead hands.

Regardless, I wish them well. I'm on mobile so I can't tell if they fixed the clipping 3d model issue I noted earlier or if it is also prevalent on other minis. FWIW, I do actually like the art on display at the campaign. It's a modern comic booky take on the classic tabletop sculpts and is a good modernization of something retro.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/17 17:08:34


Post by: Manchu


A 2-player starter box would probably have been a better idea.

The rules download suggests that average games involve 10-20 models.

Selling models in 5-man boxes for 40USD a pop seems slightly bizarre.

A gameplay video would be nice, too.

This KS has a lot of red flags right now.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/17 17:33:59


Post by: Sacredroach


I'm in for a hardcopy of the rules and some Mishima. I already have too many, but since I can't go nuts on Brotherhood during this KS, I'll have some actually good looking Hatamoto in the near future.

And yes, the Hatamoto were the only Mishima sculpts I did not like from the Prodos run.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/17 17:40:25


Post by: Miguelsan


Prices are high. Inflation hit at a bad time.

M.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/17 18:35:20


Post by: Ronin_eX


 warboss wrote:
I know it's a feature and not a bug but, personally, if I want a retro 90s sculpt from Warzone then I'll just hunt down one of the originals I lived back in the day. I still have some of my old Capitol figs and, as a recovering Rifts rpg player, you'll have to pry my Free Marine/Juicer out of my cold dead hands.

Regardless, I wish them well. I'm on mobile so I can't tell if they fixed the clipping 3d model issue I noted earlier or if it is also prevalent on other minis. FWIW, I do actually like the art on display at the campaign. It's a modern comic booky take on the classic tabletop sculpts and is a good modernization of something retro.


This is true and not true. There is a marked difference between sculpts from the 1st Edition and 2nd Edition. Sculpts from the 2nd Edition were of their time, but also still hold up pretty well today. Kev White had a very iconic, almost comic book style that made for some characterful minis that oozed style. Sculpts from 1st Edition were, to put it kindly, hot trash. Bad poses, bad proportions, bad design. There are few, if any, that have redeeming features.

Because 2nd Edition died before hitting its stride, a lot of really iconic units were left without updated sculpts. I can't hop on Prince August and order their non- Venusian Rangers that never existed. So I can appreciate someone producing a line that won't look entirely out of place next to my existing 2nd Edition stuff (though I would like to see an actual scale comparison).

Will probably throw in for a book and a box if only to continue the collection and potentially grab some minis I can use with my original army if I don't end up liking the updated rules. Or, if the rules are good, maybe finally move on from 1st Edition with house rules as my main way to play.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/17 18:44:29


Post by: warboss


I became interested in Warzone with the release of the 2nd edition boxed game and the followup releases. While I agree there was a significant change in style (again agreed to the better with 2e IMO), I personally consider both retro but from different eras similar to the divide between RT and 2e in 40k. Obviously the newer sculpts for both hold up better than the older ones but are still instantly recognizable as dating from an earlier era. These remind me of a 3d sculpted homage to 2e. Regardless ss, doughboys and football mohawks will always hold a special tabletop place in my heart.

Ymmv.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/17 18:58:05


Post by: His Master's Voice


I like that Chasseur model. Looks a lot like that one Parente illustration.

Yeah, that's about it. It's not that the models are bad (well, some of them kinda are), but they do channel a bit too much of that 80s charm across the range.I think quite a few of the 2nd edition sculpts for Bauhaus, Imperial and Capitol might in fact be superior to what's shown here.

And don't even get me started on the missing Ranger cloaks.

Still, I wish them well. A live game can be improved with time. A dead game cannot*.




*until the next time someone tries to revive it, of course.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/17 19:05:17


Post by: Siygess


Well, here we are again. In for a copy of the rules and a box of models just to see what they are like in the flesh, all for the super low price of a blank cheque when you consider VAT and delivery.

If the game plays well I will probably just use my mountain of WZR minis. If not, I once again did my part to keep this thing going until the next edition..


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/17 21:44:41


Post by: Garfield666


Fully agree. Let's see where this goes, but this is not done very well, given the prep time.
And dang, that's GW pricing...

First G.I.Joe and now this. My nostalgia isn't what it used to be, it seems.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/18 00:06:35


Post by: Manchu


One issue is, the whole thing feels like it directed only at people already familiar with past editions. And that doesn’t make sense considering it is a new and entirely different game.

The lack of a 2-player starter set is really strange here. Also missing are:

- any pictures of actual miniatures
- any game play video
- a pledge level that actually includes what someone would need to play the game
- no incentive to back KS (and pay for shipping) rather than wait for discount retail with free shipping

I really don’t know how anyone can still keep complaining about GW prices when more and more we see 8USD/fig prices like this.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/18 00:19:53


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Why? We can see GW has ridiculous prices, and in addition this KS has ridiculous prices. And Wizkids Kobolds are ridiculous. Fortunately, there are still plenty of not-ridiculously-priced miniatures out there.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/18 00:36:29


Post by: Manchu


In my experience, it’s getting harder to find them. North Star and Wargames Atlantic seem like the bastions of reasonable prices.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/18 02:28:46


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Manchu wrote:
In my experience, it’s getting harder to find them. North Star and Wargames Atlantic seem like the bastions of reasonable prices.


Mantic and Realer have raised prices, but still have some boxes or minis for good prices. Nolzur’s, Victrix, Perry, most other sprue plastics sellers (other than Conquest), they’re all reasonable.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/18 05:20:36


Post by: Manchu


Res Nova has provided an extremely detailed list of the components that come in each unit box:
Spoiler:
All Unit and Support boxes will include stat cards detailing the abilities and characteristics of the models in that box, the necessary bases, and the following components in each:

Bauhaus Blitzers/Venusian Rangers
-5x unique bodies (legs & torso as single piece)
-3x unique Venusian Ranger heads
-3x Blitzer heads
-2x unique bare male heads
-2x unique bare female heads
-2x two-handed AG-17 rifle pose A
-1x two-handed AG-17 rifle pose B
-2x two-handed MP-103 SMG pose A
-1x two-handed MP-103 SMG pose B
-1x two-handed MG 80 HMG
-1x two-handed Gehenna Puker
-1x right-handed HG-14 shotgun
-1x right-handed MP-103 SMG
-1x right-handed MP-105 pistol
-1x left-handed medic pack
-1x left-handed grenade
-1x left-handed clenched fist
-5x left pauldron
-5x right pauldron

Capitol Free Marines/Sunset Strikers
-5x unique bodies (legs & torso as single piece)
-2x Free Marine male head A
-1x Free Marine male head B
-1x Free Marine female head A
-2x Sunset Striker male head A
-1 x Sunset Striker male head B
-1x Sunset Striker female head A
-1x generic male head
-1x generic female head
-2x two-handed M50 rifle pose A
-2x two-handed M50 rifle pose B
-1x two-handed Gehenna Puker
-1x right-handed M50 rifle
-1x right-handed M516 shotgun
-1x right-handed DPAT-9 RPG
-1x left-handed offhand for RPG
-1x left-handed medic pack
-1x left point hand
-1x left-handed grenade
-5x left pauldron
-5x right pauldron
-5x sheathed Punisher shortswords
-5x sheathed katana/wakizashi

Cybertronic Chasseurs/Mirrormen
-5x unique bodies (legs & torso as single piece)
-5x Mirrorman helmets
-3x unique bare male heads
-2x unique bare female heads
-2x two-handed AR3000 rifle pose A
-1x two-handed AR3000 rifle pose B
-1x two-handed SSW4200P HMG
-1x right-handed P1000 pistol pose A
-1x right-handed P1000 pistol pose B
-2x left-handed P1000 pistol pose C
-2x left-handed CSA404 sword pose A
-2x right-handed CSA404 sword pose B
-1x right-handed AR3000 rifle
-1x right-handed SA-SG72001 shotgun
-1x left-handed grenade pose A
-1x left-handed grenade pose B
-5x left pauldron
-5x right pauldron

Imperial Blood Berets/Golden Lions
-5x unique bodies (legs & torso as single piece)
-3x gasmask heads
-3x unique male heads
-2x unique female heads
-2x two-handed Invader rifle pose A
-1x two-handed Invader rifle pose B
-2x two-handed Interceptor SMG pose A
-1x two-handed Interceptor SMG pose B
-1x two-handed Destroyer LMG
-1x right-handed Southpaw RPG
-1x right-handed Aggressor pistol
-1x right-handed Mandible shotgun
-1x right-handed Invader rifle
-1x right-handed Interceptor SMG
-1x right-handed Plasma Carbine
-1x left-handed Plasma Carbine
-1x left-handed offhand for Southpaw
-1x left pointing hand
-1x left-handed Chainripper
-1x left-handed grenade
-1x left-handed medic pack
-5x left pauldron
-5x right pauldron

Mishima Hatamoto/Shinobi
-5x unique bodies (legs & torso as single piece)
-3x unique Hatamoto helmets
-3x unique Shinobi helmets
-2x unique bare male heads
-2x unique bare female heads
-2x two-handed Shogun rifle pose A
-1x two-handed Shogun rifle pose B
-2x two-handed Windrider SMG pose A
-1x two-handed Windrider SMG pose B
-1x two-handed Archer sniper rifle
-1x right-handed Shogun rifle
-1x right-handed Windrider SMG
-1x right-handed Airbrush shotgun
-1x right-handed Dragonfire HMG
-1x left-handed grenade
-2x unique left-handed katana
-1x left-handed offhand for Dragonfire
-1x left-handed medic pack
-5x left pauldron
-5x right pauldron
-5x sheathed katana/wakizashi

Algeroth Undead Legionnaires
-6 unique bodies w. integrated Kratach rifles
-9 unique heads

Algeroth Necromutants/Centurions
-5x unique bodies (legs & torso as single piece)
-10x unique heads
-2x two-handed Belzarach rifle pose A
-2x two-handed Belzarach rifle pose B
-1x two-handed Tormentor Flamethrower
-1x right-handed Voriche pistol
-1x left-handed Voriche pistol
-1x right-handed Skalak sword
-1x left-handed Skalak sword
-1x right-handed Belzarach rifle
-1x left-handed knife
-1x right-handed grenade
-1x right-handed clenched fist
-1x left-handed clenched fist

Algeroth Razide
-1 Razide body & arms
-1 Nazgaroth weapon option attached at the wrists
-1 Ashnagaroth weapon option attached at the wrists
-1 Hellblaster weapon option attached at the wrists

@Bob
Mantic has good starter army deals but then absurd pricing to get what you actually need to play their games. That’s the only one of your examples that is really relevant, IMO: sci fi/fantasy miniatures sold as part of game-driven product line. Reaper and WK offer some cool stuff that’s reasonably priced for one-off uses or for mini-agnostic gaming but nothing comparable to the subject to hand. Anyhow, we can agree that the prices for the kind of product line Warzone Eternal fits into are getting very, very high — no doubt, following GW’s example.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/18 05:41:45


Post by: Miguelsan


The pricing is weird for sure. If the desired level of play is 10 minis per side, the basic pledge should be that. but currently you get 5 minis for 65$ or 10 for 105$ and no savings with stretchgoals because there are no stretchgoals planned right now, and you still need to add the tokens????

I'm really disheartened. If there was at least a digital option for the rulebook I'd throw some money at the KS like I did with the Chronopia one, but as is I don't think I'll join in.

M.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/18 05:45:05


Post by: Manchu


And for 10 figures, you’re talking an additional 30USD for the tokens.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/18 05:48:29


Post by: Miguelsan


I hope there is a printed copy of the tokens inside the manual you can copy and use.

M.

Edit: The Spanish WZ groups are very, very unhappy.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/18 07:27:59


Post by: His Master's Voice


I wouldn't mind paying USD40 for 5 high quality models with a bunch of options. But that's not what they're showing here.

They're not showing anything in fact. Why would they go with five repeating renders for a box with multiple unique parts? Why would they not show physical samples, when they had them months ago? Even if they don't have production samples for every box, painting up raw prints would have been better than this gray mess.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/18 07:42:08


Post by: Manchu


Well some have definitely been painted:



















Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/18 08:29:30


Post by: Shadow Walker


So the only Megacorp without iconic shoulder pads is Mishima. How not surprising. As to backing, I think other pointed all the reasons not to. Also, I have enough PVC MC models from Siege KS that I need to sale to burden myself with siocast gummy bears. Wake me up for hard plastic.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/18 08:52:57


Post by: lord_blackfang


I'm not in the market for paying high quality resin level prices for PVC figures, thanks.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/18 21:18:56


Post by: Garfield666


After sleeping on it, I quitted my pledge.
As much as I like the IP, there is just nothing done right about this KS.
Should I still be interested in the game, I will be able to get it cheaper after release.
Shame.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/19 00:17:35


Post by: Ronin_eX


 Shadow Walker wrote:
So the only Megacorp without iconic shoulder pads is Mishima. How not surprising. As to backing, I think other pointed all the reasons not to. Also, I have enough PVC MC models from Siege KS that I need to sale to burden myself with siocast gummy bears. Wake me up for hard plastic.


I have to admit, given how generally close they stuck on everything else, Mishima losing their blocky shoulder pads is actually kind of weird. It isn't that the Mishima minis look bad, but they definitely feel more like generic sci-fi Japanese dudes rather than Mishima. Would have been nice to see a proper rendition of the Hatamoto art in miniature form.

Kind of sad given how much they really nailed Cybertronic in terms of the original art.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/19 10:05:29


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Ronin_eX wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
So the only Megacorp without iconic shoulder pads is Mishima. How not surprising. As to backing, I think other pointed all the reasons not to. Also, I have enough PVC MC models from Siege KS that I need to sale to burden myself with siocast gummy bears. Wake me up for hard plastic.


I have to admit, given how generally close they stuck on everything else, Mishima losing their blocky shoulder pads is actually kind of weird. It isn't that the Mishima minis look bad, but they definitely feel more like generic sci-fi Japanese dudes rather than Mishima. Would have been nice to see a proper rendition of the Hatamoto art in miniature form.

Kind of sad given how much they really nailed Cybertronic in terms of the original art.

Yeah, it is especially sad because I am huge Mishima fan, and it looks like it is the least favourite for anyone trying to ressurect WZ these days. Fun fact: on siege KS they gave one of Mishima heroes Capitol shoulder pads


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/19 10:24:19


Post by: Momotaro


Edit: worked out that you can build 5 of each type from a single box, but a couple will have bare heads.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/19 11:19:51


Post by: Miguelsan


I finally found what was throwing me off on that Hatamoto pic. The dragonfire is a tri-tube mg, not a minigun like the Charger.

M.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/19 13:12:10


Post by: Taarnak


I like the corporation troops more than the legionnaires. Razide is pretty good though.

Mishima has the weakest of the corporation sculpts IMO.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/19 20:13:59


Post by: Shrapnelsmile


I was really hoping the sculpts would knock this IP out of the park. I'm not feeing it either but wish them well.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/19 20:21:39


Post by: nagash42


Yeah, the last people to have the license looked better.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 05:27:57


Post by: Miguelsan


Kickstarter cancelled.
ResNova was too scared to continue with the KS after the lackluster progress, and possibly all the bad blood created with some diehard fans when ResNova's CM started banning people that complained from Discord, and FB.

Let's hope they can manage a second go at it with a better plan after learning from their mistakes.

M.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 07:49:22


Post by: Garfield666


They definitively need some distribution hubs worldwide to minimise shipping and customs.
Also the prices for the miniatures kill the game outright. Maybe do it like some other companies and get in touch with Wargames Atlantic to make them in HIPS. Those are reasonable dudes and could save the whole range with high quality plastic starters. Release the Razides etc. in resin.
The presentation got a bit better for the KS, but there is still room for improvement.
I really would like them to succeed, but in the current form this is not worth it to me.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 08:15:21


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Garfield666 wrote:
Maybe do it like some other companies and get in touch with Wargames Atlantic to make them in HIPS. Those are reasonable dudes and could save the whole range with high quality plastic starters. Release the Razides etc. in resin.

Big yes to cooperation with WA for HIPS. Big no for releasing minis in anything else.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 09:13:03


Post by: His Master's Voice


Damn, this one croaked it before it was even alive.

Does it count for two deaths or none?

As far as the material is concerned, it was supposed to be a fifteen-models-per-side game. It's the best format for resin and quite possibly the worst one for any form of plastic production.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 10:11:15


Post by: Albertorius


Well, coming from just (couple weeks ago) printing most of the Humble Bundle set of Siege of the Citadel stl files... give me more of that. I would buy heavily into a Warzone Patreon/3d file store.

This has only cemented that buying miniatures anywhere but local is incredibly expensive nowadays.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 12:15:10


Post by: warboss


 Albertorius wrote:
Well, coming from just (couple weeks ago) printing most of the Humble Bundle set of Siege of the Citadel stl files... give me more of that. I would buy heavily into a Warzone Patreon/3d file store.

This has only cemented that buying miniatures anywhere but local is incredibly expensive nowadays.


This one?

https://www.modiphius.net/en-us/products/siege-of-the-citadel-core-bundle

Was that stl only for a kickstarter and/or humble bundle? That's alot of good retro feel minis for sure and definitely could scratch that itch until raw. Are the stls still available separately?


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 Miguelsan wrote:
Kickstarter cancelled.
ResNova was too scared to continue with the KS after the lackluster progress, and possibly all the bad blood created with some diehard fans when ResNova's CM started banning people that complained from Discord, and FB.

Let's hope they can manage a second go at it with a better plan after learning from their mistakes.

M.


What was discussed on discord that supposedly warranted banning? Dakka (unfairly IMO) gets a pessimistic reputation from those accustomed to the corporate walled gardens of enforced optimism and I'm curious what the reception was like elsewhere. I only use reddit when linked in thread and discord only when in an rpg session so am not familiar with the either.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 12:27:11


Post by: Garfield666


Your link goes to the physical bundle of SotC. There are no STLs available, afaik.
I went all in on the game and it is solid. Lots of figures, game itself is very simplistic.

The STLs mentioned where part of a humble bundle, which is gone. It was some of the heroes from the SotC KS. Don't know if these are sold elsewhere.

During the KS there were also mini only add ons. Got myself a boatload of Dark Legion minis for small money. A pity those deals aren't available anymore.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 12:37:45


Post by: warboss


Albertorius specifically mentioned an stl humble bundle so I figured I'd ask since the only easy link I found was the physical set from Modiphius as you noted. Was it only some of the heroes and not the mook bad guys then? I'm curious how much overlap it would have had with this campaign in terms of interest.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 13:38:01


Post by: Shadow Walker


 His Master's Voice wrote:

As far as the material is concerned, it was supposed to be a fifteen-models-per-side game. It's the best format for resin and quite possibly the worst one for any form of plastic production.

Malifaux is hard plastic.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 13:44:34


Post by: Albertorius


 warboss wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
Well, coming from just (couple weeks ago) printing most of the Humble Bundle set of Siege of the Citadel stl files... give me more of that. I would buy heavily into a Warzone Patreon/3d file store.

This has only cemented that buying miniatures anywhere but local is incredibly expensive nowadays.


This one?

https://www.modiphius.net/en-us/products/siege-of-the-citadel-core-bundle

Was that stl only for a kickstarter and/or humble bundle? That's alot of good retro feel minis for sure and definitely could scratch that itch until raw. Are the stls still available separately?

That one's a regular boardgame (which I also have ^^), but then on Humble Bundle they ran an offer for 18 sculpts from it as pre supported STLs. I printed a bunch of them, and even did a comparison of one of them from the boardgame side by side with the printed one (and then painted that one).

It's this one, don't know if they still sell it:

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-mutant-chronicles-rpg-3d-print-characters-181120

Here's some of the minis, and the painted one with the comparison:

Spoiler:














Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 15:01:19


Post by: Miguelsan


@Albertorious. For whatever reason the Myminifactory link gives a 404error.

@Warboss. Several members from Mutant Chronicles España FB complained about having their messages deleted, and in one case expelled from the ResNova FB page after complaining that all the figures looked the same save for the heads, and weapons. Other took to complaining on the old Warzone Resurrection FB page for similar reasons, doubly so now that the ResNova FB has been "put on hold" while they think what to do. The salient point of the fracas with the more vocal Spanish fans seems to be the return to the retro look. On ResNova defense I'll say that a certain number of those fans were very involved with WZ:R and absolutely hate anything that wouldn't be a continuation of that style.

M.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 16:53:02


Post by: Albertorius


Yeah, WZ:R was sort of big at the start in Spain, having multiple tourneys and everything, so I can see how many of those would be peeved with a change in visual style.

Also, yeah, I thought that would happen: I got the link from Humble Bundle and I see it from my library, but it didn't show a price.

EDIT: Pics from the page

Spoiler:





















Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 17:28:58


Post by: His Master's Voice


 Shadow Walker wrote:
Malifaux is hard plastic.


Didn't they start with resin/metal gangs?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 17:51:04


Post by: Albertorius


 His Master's Voice wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
Malifaux is hard plastic.


Didn't they start with resin/metal gangs?


They totally did.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 18:08:03


Post by: warboss


Thanks for the pics! I was wondering where you got some of those from your painting/modelling thread but figured it was some sort of patreon offering at some point.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Miguelsan wrote:
@Albertorious. For whatever reason the Myminifactory link gives a 404error.

@Warboss. Several members from Mutant Chronicles España FB complained about having their messages deleted, and in one case expelled from the ResNova FB page after complaining that all the figures looked the same save for the heads, and weapons. Other took to complaining on the old Warzone Resurrection FB page for similar reasons, doubly so now that the ResNova FB has been "put on hold" while they think what to do. The salient point of the fracas with the more vocal Spanish fans seems to be the return to the retro look. On ResNova defense I'll say that a certain number of those fans were very involved with WZ:R and absolutely hate anything that wouldn't be a continuation of that style.

M.


Those spaniards seemingly are always causing trouble on groups and forums. I once saw one question publicly the direction a niche mech game company was taking with their product! The nerve!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 18:12:51


Post by: Albertorius


We must be the dakka of countries


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 19:42:34


Post by: Shadow Walker


 His Master's Voice wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
Malifaux is hard plastic.


Didn't they start with resin/metal gangs?

So maybe skip that and start with the material most gamers want/use? If you want to appeal to a wider audience than us old MC fans you need to make bold decisions.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 19:58:48


Post by: Monkeysloth


 Shadow Walker wrote:
 His Master's Voice wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
Malifaux is hard plastic.


Didn't they start with resin/metal gangs?

So maybe skip that and start with the material most gamers want/use? If you want to appeal to a wider audience than us old MC fans you need to make bold decisions.


Why would any one take that amount of debt risk producing plastic for a game line that's gone under multiple times?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 20:23:44


Post by: His Master's Voice


 Shadow Walker wrote:
So maybe skip that and start with the material most gamers want/use? If you want to appeal to a wider audience than us old MC fans you need to make bold decisions.


I honestly don't think they had the money to be bold, given the pricing they went with.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/28 21:48:24


Post by: lord_blackfang


Those propriatary siotech machines don't grow on trees


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/29 08:09:01


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Monkeysloth wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
 His Master's Voice wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
Malifaux is hard plastic.


Didn't they start with resin/metal gangs?

So maybe skip that and start with the material most gamers want/use? If you want to appeal to a wider audience than us old MC fans you need to make bold decisions.


Why would any one take that amount of debt risk producing plastic for a game line that's gone under multiple times?

The game failed so many times because it was handled incompetently on many levels. Only the superstitious fools believe in some mythical curse around the IP. Licence holders thought that nostalgia alone will somehow magically print them money. Without a proper investment and time to prepare everything you cannot expect miracles to happen. Res Nova at least had reason enough to realise that it is going nowhere, and stop before repeating the stupidity of the previous incarnations of the IP.
That aside, look at the Wargames Atlantic, and their future wars releases. There is a market for space Germans, Britts, French etc. etc. MC gives you that and more. If properly handled from the start (maybe teaming with WA or Fireforge etc. company that already is experienced with HIPS), it could both revive WZ, and also give the money outside of IP, from people who want their space Highlanders, Samurai, zombies etc.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/29 10:30:06


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Shadow Walker wrote:

The game failed so many times because it was handled incompetently on many levels. Only the superstitious fools believe in some mythical curse around the IP.


True but over 20-30 years of failure it gets hard to attract new fans whose only awareness of a game is that it failed in the 90s, 2000s, 2010s (twice!) and 2020s.

I agree that MC, 40k and now Wargames Atlantic (and Star Wars) benefit greatly from their willingness to build on historical roots, whether or not they make sense. I don't for a second believe that the Japan of the far future will involve samurai with laser katanas, but darn I want my fictional Japan to have that.

So yes the exciting game of Space Japan, vs Space America, vs Space Germany, vs Space England, vs Space Cyborgs, vs Space Demon Zombies has endless potential, but each failure makes it harder to care about the next try.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/29 11:03:52


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Maybe they should just give up at this point tbh.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/29 11:38:41


Post by: warboss


Was Resurrection truly a failure? Prodos and future Archon was maliciously fething up moreso with AVP than this but it seemed like a good update visually to the minis line from an outsiders persoective and despite delays they seemed to actually get stuff in backers hands in reasonable time unlike AVP. I wasn't a backer so can't comment in detail on the kickstarter fulfillment nor on any changes to the lore with the update (reboot?).


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/29 14:25:43


Post by: Miguelsan


I'm going to defend Prodos a bit here. The success with WZR made them believe that they could tackle a juicier franchise like AvP riding the momentum of the first KS. Then they found the hard way that 20th Century Fox didn't care about fulfillment dates, angry supporters, and so on. I really think that at the begining Prodos tried to work with everybody, and deliver the campaign, but after a certain point they just cut loses, and wrote off the whole AvP KS leaving a bunch of backers very, very angry without their stuff.

M.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/05/30 08:11:47


Post by: Shadow Walker


WZR KS was not as successful as people think, and their decision about shipping orders partially resulted in a financial crisis that necessitated another KS (AvsP), to cover the previous costs, which as we know ended in disaster. As to MC fluff, they were butchering it left and right (Wolfbanes on tracktors and giant wolves being the primary examples). Imagine that one of their ''brilliant'' ideas was to give Imperial Special Forces mini teleporters (technology extremely rare and experimental even in hands of Cybertronic).


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/06/13 14:34:42


Post by: Crenshaw el Mortificador


 Miguelsan wrote:
@Albertorious. For whatever reason the Myminifactory link gives a 404error.

@Warboss. Several members from Mutant Chronicles España FB complained about having their messages deleted, and in one case expelled from the ResNova FB page after complaining that all the figures looked the same save for the heads, and weapons. Other took to complaining on the old Warzone Resurrection FB page for similar reasons, doubly so now that the ResNova FB has been "put on hold" while they think what to do. The salient point of the fracas with the more vocal Spanish fans seems to be the return to the retro look. On ResNova defense I'll say that a certain number of those fans were very involved with WZ:R and absolutely hate anything that wouldn't be a continuation of that style.

M.


No, that's lie. Before hurl such serious accusations of things you don't know, you should be more careful. Because you can hurt other people.

No members of Mutant Chronicles Spain has been expelled from any Res Nova group. The only Spanish who was banned from the Res Nova Facebook group (and who is not a member of Mutant Chronicles Spain) complained in the Spanish Facebook group and in the Warzone Resurrection Facebook group about his expulsion.

This person, from nick Hoarmûrath de Dir, is a player, who is not part of Mutant Chronicles Spain (we don't know him) and complained that Res Nova miniatures used the same body for different units within the same corporation and only they differed by the head. That is why they expelled him, but that is not our problem, nor are we going to go into whether the reason for the expulsion is correct or not.

And of course it is not fair to tell lies about the Spanish community. Because members of ALL the communities have complained and have shown their discontent, precisely the Spanish community is the one that has complained the least in the Res Nova group. You only need to go through the Res Nova group to see the Italian community very angry or people from Poland, Greece and other countries showing their dissatisfaction with the work of Res Nova. Members from different countries, not only Spanish.

Regarding what you say that members of the Spanish community were very involved with WZR and Prodos and that is why they complain about Res Nova or hate anything, again, you are lying with very serious things. The only person who has been directly involved with Prodos and who maintains contact with Jarek or Michal is ME. Nobody else. The rest of the members of Mutant Chronicles Spain have not had and do not have direct contact with Prodos. Only a few other members have collaborated with Prodos on the creation and testing of Warzone Resurrection rules and on the Spanish translation of the rulebook (just as they do now with Res Nova in the same way on both things: rules testing and translation).

So don't lie, the people of Mutant Chronicles Spain have no hatred towards anything from Res Nova because it has had a relationship with Prodos. Moreover, so you can see how far you lie, just as I have contact with Prodos, I have it with Mr. Fredrik Malmberg and I have it with Alex and Bryan from Res Nova, with whom I write messages and we have talked a lot about Eternal and about others topics. So I have a cordial relationship with all of them.

The members of Mutant Chronicles Spain and I personally, collaborate with Res Nova in everything that is necessary, although their miniatures are not liked us, something that Alex and Bryan know perfectly well, since it is part of our conversations.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/06/13 17:50:17


Post by: warboss


 Crenshaw el Mortificador wrote:
 Miguelsan wrote:
@Albertorious. For whatever reason the Myminifactory link gives a 404error.

@Warboss. Several members from Mutant Chronicles España FB complained about having their messages deleted, and in one case expelled from the ResNova FB page after complaining that all the figures looked the same save for the heads, and weapons. Other took to complaining on the old Warzone Resurrection FB page for similar reasons, doubly so now that the ResNova FB has been "put on hold" while they think what to do. The salient point of the fracas with the more vocal Spanish fans seems to be the return to the retro look. On ResNova defense I'll say that a certain number of those fans were very involved with WZ:R and absolutely hate anything that wouldn't be a continuation of that style.

M.


No, that's lie. Before hurl such serious accusations of things you don't know, you should be more careful. Because you can hurt other people.
Spoiler:

No members of Mutant Chronicles Spain has been expelled from any Res Nova group. The only Spanish who was banned from the Res Nova Facebook group (and who is not a member of Mutant Chronicles Spain) complained in the Spanish Facebook group and in the Warzone Resurrection Facebook group about his expulsion.

This person, from nick Hoarmûrath de Dir, is a player, who is not part of Mutant Chronicles Spain (we don't know him) and complained that Res Nova miniatures used the same body for different units within the same corporation and only they differed by the head. That is why they expelled him, but that is not our problem, nor are we going to go into whether the reason for the expulsion is correct or not.

And of course it is not fair to tell lies about the Spanish community. Because members of ALL the communities have complained and have shown their discontent, precisely the Spanish community is the one that has complained the least in the Res Nova group. You only need to go through the Res Nova group to see the Italian community very angry or people from Poland, Greece and other countries showing their dissatisfaction with the work of Res Nova. Members from different countries, not only Spanish.

Regarding what you say that members of the Spanish community were very involved with WZR and Prodos and that is why they complain about Res Nova or hate anything, again, you are lying with very serious things. The only person who has been directly involved with Prodos and who maintains contact with Jarek or Michal is ME. Nobody else. The rest of the members of Mutant Chronicles Spain have not had and do not have direct contact with Prodos. Only a few other members have collaborated with Prodos on the creation and testing of Warzone Resurrection rules and on the Spanish translation of the rulebook (just as they do now with Res Nova in the same way on both things: rules testing and translation).

So don't lie, the people of Mutant Chronicles Spain have no hatred towards anything from Res Nova because it has had a relationship with Prodos. Moreover, so you can see how far you lie, just as I have contact with Prodos, I have it with Mr. Fredrik Malmberg and I have it with Alex and Bryan from Res Nova, with whom I write messages and we have talked a lot about Eternal and about others topics. So I have a cordial relationship with all of them.

The members of Mutant Chronicles Spain and I personally, collaborate with Res Nova in everything that is necessary, although their miniatures are not liked us, something that Alex and Bryan know perfectly well, since it is part of our conversations.


I think you're ascribing way too much malice into a post that was likely trying to be informative yet succint. You've confirmed most of what was in the post and the couple of actualy differences can be chalked up to "from a certain perspective" viewpoints, limited personal knowledge of the behind the scenes, and your own expounding on what was actually written. I didn't take his post to be antagonistic towards the Spanish warzone community though admittedly I have zero personal knowledge of it. If I were to join the facebook group, I'd likely be kicked out after the second post reusing the entirety of my Spanish vocabulary ("Hello, my names is Warboss. My car are big red. Two beers, please.").


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/06/13 19:22:57


Post by: Crenshaw el Mortificador


I understand your point Warboss, or course.

But I'm sorry, I can't tolerate that someone outside of all the work we've been doing at Mutant Chronicles Spain for decades (we collaborate with the different companies that have worked on the franchise, not only in miniatures, but also in role-playing games, play board and physical Doomtrooper and its new digital version) accused us of trying to boycott the work of a new company for obscure reasons or interests. As if we were some kind of mafia group with interests, power and influence that, of course, we do not have. That is a lie and a very serious accusation that I will not tolerate and more so coming from someone who has never belonged to the Mutant Chronicles Spain working group, who does not know the reality and has dared to give an unfounded opinion and without reason.

And if you joined our Facebook group, you wouldn't be expelled for not speaking Spanish! In fact there are members from Sweden, Poland, Austria, Greece, and other countries there. We understand each other in English if necessary


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/06/14 02:56:08


Post by: Miguelsan


 warboss wrote:
 Crenshaw el Mortificador wrote:
 Miguelsan wrote:
@Albertorious. For whatever reason the Myminifactory link gives a 404error.

@Warboss. Several members from Mutant Chronicles España FB complained about having their messages deleted, and in one case expelled from the ResNova FB page after complaining that all the figures looked the same save for the heads, and weapons. Other took to complaining on the old Warzone Resurrection FB page for similar reasons, doubly so now that the ResNova FB has been "put on hold" while they think what to do. The salient point of the fracas with the more vocal Spanish fans seems to be the return to the retro look. On ResNova defense I'll say that a certain number of those fans were very involved with WZ:R and absolutely hate anything that wouldn't be a continuation of that style.

M.


No, that's lie. Before hurl such serious accusations of things you don't know, you should be more careful. Because you can hurt other people.
Spoiler:

No members of Mutant Chronicles Spain has been expelled from any Res Nova group. The only Spanish who was banned from the Res Nova Facebook group (and who is not a member of Mutant Chronicles Spain) complained in the Spanish Facebook group and in the Warzone Resurrection Facebook group about his expulsion.

This person, from nick Hoarmûrath de Dir, is a player, who is not part of Mutant Chronicles Spain (we don't know him) and complained that Res Nova miniatures used the same body for different units within the same corporation and only they differed by the head. That is why they expelled him, but that is not our problem, nor are we going to go into whether the reason for the expulsion is correct or not.

And of course it is not fair to tell lies about the Spanish community. Because members of ALL the communities have complained and have shown their discontent, precisely the Spanish community is the one that has complained the least in the Res Nova group. You only need to go through the Res Nova group to see the Italian community very angry or people from Poland, Greece and other countries showing their dissatisfaction with the work of Res Nova. Members from different countries, not only Spanish.

Regarding what you say that members of the Spanish community were very involved with WZR and Prodos and that is why they complain about Res Nova or hate anything, again, you are lying with very serious things. The only person who has been directly involved with Prodos and who maintains contact with Jarek or Michal is ME. Nobody else. The rest of the members of Mutant Chronicles Spain have not had and do not have direct contact with Prodos. Only a few other members have collaborated with Prodos on the creation and testing of Warzone Resurrection rules and on the Spanish translation of the rulebook (just as they do now with Res Nova in the same way on both things: rules testing and translation).

So don't lie, the people of Mutant Chronicles Spain have no hatred towards anything from Res Nova because it has had a relationship with Prodos. Moreover, so you can see how far you lie, just as I have contact with Prodos, I have it with Mr. Fredrik Malmberg and I have it with Alex and Bryan from Res Nova, with whom I write messages and we have talked a lot about Eternal and about others topics. So I have a cordial relationship with all of them.

The members of Mutant Chronicles Spain and I personally, collaborate with Res Nova in everything that is necessary, although their miniatures are not liked us, something that Alex and Bryan know perfectly well, since it is part of our conversations.


I think you're ascribing way too much malice into a post that was likely trying to be informative yet succint. You've confirmed most of what was in the post and the couple of actualy differences can be chalked up to "from a certain perspective" viewpoints, limited personal knowledge of the behind the scenes, and your own expounding on what was actually written. I didn't take his post to be antagonistic towards the Spanish warzone community though admittedly I have zero personal knowledge of it. If I were to join the facebook group, I'd likely be kicked out after the second post reusing the entirety of my Spanish vocabulary ("Hello, my names is Warboss. My car are big red. Two beers, please.").

If you were to join the FB you would get "mortified" the moment you crossed Mr Crenshaw, as apparently happened to me after Mr Crenshaw's post on Dakka. He might understand English if necessary, but he is still working at the subtleties still.

Snark comments aside, Mr Crenshaw, I was there when Gen X brought the 1st miniatures to Madrid, lugged my WZ across continents, I've bought miniatures from every, and each edition of WZ except the 54mm collectible game (not much play unfortunately) so I have skin in the game, like several hundred figures worth of it.

Now, please do explain how I'm lying when, at the moment of the KS, Mutant Chronicles Spain was a private FB group where you could only comment if you were a member, a person using the name Hoarmûrath de Dir complained in the group (again where only members can post) about being banned from the ResNova FB page yet apparently that person didn't have anything to do with Mutant Chronicles Spain. Should I assume just like you did that you are a liar, that you are hurling serious accusations, or are you splitting hairs about casual members, true WZ fans, and the FB group's administrators/moderators?

I want to think that you do not understand the difference between being in a working relationship with a company that produces something vs being actively participating in that something. Otherwise you wouldn't be accusing me of
lying with very serious things
While you might be the only person that had some kind of contract with Prodos, I've been involved with WZ since I was in college an age ago. Per your own words other members collaborated (=involved themselves) with Prodos, and they were not happy with the new miniatures, they even made YT videos about too much retro-WZ!

I no longer have access to the threads where the Spanish community complained about the KS to prove my point, but maybe the Spanish community complained the least on the ResNova FB because it was the community that involved itself the least. Unless, I repeat myself so much , being involved with WZ in any of its incarnations means having the personal mail of the designers, then you are right, I'm not involved with WZ, probably nobody in Spain is except you, Mr Crenshaw.

The same way you write that you cannot tolerate my "lies", I cannot tolerate you making me the strawman of your frustation because the KS got shelved for the time being. I did not accuse anybody of boycotting WZE, I did not accuse you of being a mafia, and my affiliation to a working WZ group, or lack of it has exactly 0 relevance when I'm stating my opinions about what I saw going on in the FB group while I was still a member. Either prove me wrong using my own words or get the hell out of here.

coming from someone who has never belonged to the Mutant Chronicles Spain working group, who does not know the reality and has dared to give an unfounded opinion and without reason.
I could give you names of people that complained online in stronger words than I did in Dakka, although I could be seriously mistaken they were very much involved in WZR, are they lying too, or did you purge them from the groups already?

Cue in before I'm called toxic fan by Mr Crenshaw à la Disney because I pulled the curtains aside for everybody to see that in Spain WZE was not wine, and roses like they told us.

M.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/06/14 10:34:19


Post by: Crenshaw el Mortificador


No friend, again you lie.

The Mutant Chronicles Spain group on Facebook has always been a public group and not a private one. As a public group, any fan of Mutant Chronicles can enter and comment on it, regardless of whether or not they are part of the Mutant Chronicles Spain working group. That is why in that group there are also participants from other countries, including those who came to the two tournaments in Spain that were organized in 2017 and 2018, as well as the people who signed up for the 2019 Online World League. They could hardly have done it if that group was private since they would not have found out about those activities.

The one that is a private group is the one from Warzone Eternal, so you must be confusing groups.

I'm not questioning your many years of gaming and knowledge of WZ, I'm not interested in that. What I am denouncing are your accusations towards the Spanish community about toxicity and attacks on Res Nova for their own interests towards Prodos or Warzone Resurrection, because it is a lie. If you don't understand that, it's your problem, I'm not going to discuss more or litter this forum with you.

The Spanish community is the one that complained the least in the Res Nova group because most of them were discouraged and waiting for new news. And in the Mutant Chronicles Spain group, only five threads were created about the Warzone Eternal miniatures and a scant dozen people commented on it. So I don't know where you get so much controversy and toxicity about the Spanish community, when the Warzone Eternal group has very strong complaints from players from other countries, more than the Spanish. Your perception is quite wrong.

If you're lying, I'm telling you, because you're lying and making accusations against people you don't know, people who are helping Warzone Eternal get ahead with their work on testing the rules and translating the rulebook into Spanish. And I do not consent to that.

And yes, indeed, you have been expelled from the Mutant Chronicles Spain Facebook group. This fact is evident, there you have had a false face in which you have commented with everyone what you do not like about Warzone Eternal. But then you come here and say that the Spanish community is toxic and has contributed to creating a bad image for Warzone Eternal. Well yes, given these facts and your double face and falsehood, you are out.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/06/14 12:28:05


Post by: Miguelsan


Called it!

Spoiler:
 Crenshaw el Mortificador wrote:
No friend, again you lie.

The Mutant Chronicles Spain group on Facebook has always been a public group and not a private one. As a public group, any fan of Mutant Chronicles can enter and comment on it, regardless of whether or not they are part of the Mutant Chronicles Spain working group. That is why in that group there are also participants from other countries, including those who came to the two tournaments in Spain that were organized in 2017 and 2018, as well as the people who signed up for the 2019 Online World League. They could hardly have done it if that group was private since they would not have found out about those activities.

The one that is a private group is the one from Warzone Eternal, so you must be confusing groups.

I'm not questioning your many years of gaming and knowledge of WZ, I'm not interested in that. What I am denouncing are your accusations towards the Spanish community about toxicity and attacks on Res Nova for their own interests towards Prodos or Warzone Resurrection, because it is a lie. If you don't understand that, it's your problem, I'm not going to discuss more or litter this forum with you.

The Spanish community is the one that complained the least in the Res Nova group because most of them were discouraged and waiting for new news. And in the Mutant Chronicles Spain group, only five threads were created about the Warzone Eternal miniatures and a scant dozen people commented on it. So I don't know where you get so much controversy and toxicity about the Spanish community, when the Warzone Eternal group has very strong complaints from players from other countries, more than the Spanish. Your perception is quite wrong.

If you're lying, I'm telling you, because you're lying and making accusations against people you don't know, people who are helping Warzone Eternal get ahead with their work on testing the rules and translating the rulebook into Spanish. And I do not consent to that.

And yes, indeed, you have been expelled from the Mutant Chronicles Spain Facebook group. This fact is evident, there you have had a false face in which you have commented with everyone what you do not like about Warzone Eternal. But then you come here and say that the Spanish community is toxic and has contributed to creating a bad image for Warzone Eternal. Well yes, given these facts and your double face and falsehood, you are out.


Evidence, my friend, where is the evidence?

I want my words, not your strawman that I called anyone toxic. Surely it's an easy thing for you to prove, right? I'm the liar here, but so far without giving a single sentence of evidence you have accused me of: lying, that I also accused the Spanish community of being toxic (where?), that I said that the Spanish community was attacking Res Nova (what?) and that they are colluding with Prodos now? Yeah, I'll grant you that I don't understand what you mean here. Are you using google translate, or is your command of the English language that limited?

Let me help you with some of what I wrote in this forum. My last post before you decided to burn me at the stake.
@Warboss. Several members from Mutant Chronicles España FB complained about having their messages deleted, and in one case expelled from the ResNova FB page after complaining that all the figures looked the same save for the heads, and weapons. Other took to complaining on the old Warzone Resurrection FB page for similar reasons, doubly so now that the ResNova FB has been "put on hold" while they think what to do. The salient point of the fracas with the more vocal Spanish fans seems to be the return to the retro look. On ResNova defense I'll say that a certain number of those fans were very involved with WZ:R and absolutely hate anything that wouldn't be a CONTINUATION OF THAT STYLE.
I bolded, underlined, and even used caps for you. I guess next time I can use a larger font if it's not enough.

I want to ask you a very simple question, Mr Crenshaw. Did, or did not, a portion of Spanish WZ players complain very openly on FB, and YT that the miniatures were a step back from the designs that we had from WZR, and that trying to appeal to the nostalgia of WZ1ed was not the way to go? Because if you answer no I will show everybody a liar. Or a shill, because maybe what's happening here is that you are involved with ResNova as in having an agreement with them, and you are playing damage control here before the KS relaunches. You desperately need to twist the words of every person that complained about the WZE to ofuscate legitimate criticism among a haystack of strawmen. Cannot have disent! Purge the heretics! I'm sorry to tell you but the blind devotion to a cause threads belong to the 40K Background froum.

I'm lying you tell me, because I made accusations against people I don't know, if I don't know them how can I accuse them of anything? Is this one of those in group/out group things where if I say person A said X, is the same as accusing every person in A's group of doing the same? And why do you have to consent to that? Is this your forum? Did the rules changed recently putting you in charge, and I missed the memo? In your FB group you can do whatever you want, expell me twice if it suits your fancy. Go ahead accuse me of false face, and other things I didn't do, or say. You are not going to hound me all the way to Dakkadakka, and shut me up. I will answer you every, and each time you try to attack me in this forum.

Just before you go a piece of unasked advice. Don't try to defend your putative employer with outright lies. It hurts your cause more than it helps.

M.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/06/14 13:57:36


Post by: Crenshaw el Mortificador


I have told you in the two previous comments. Yes, some Spanish players (members or not of Mutant Chronicles Spain) complained about the Res Nova miniatures in the group of Warzone Eternal and Mutant Chronicles Spain (you did too, by the way, you even made jokes about it). Nor have they been as many as you seem to continually imply. As I have said in previous messages, players from other countries have also complained. And what happens? Well yes, there is nothing strange about it, that is very logical, each person can agree with the thumbnails, as long as they express their disagreement with education towards the company or people who work in this new game.

As for the rest of your message, I'm not going to waste my time with the weird conspiracies you're now spouting about whether I work with Res Nova and do damage control or any other incredible story you can create inside your head. No, this ends here.

I've already told you before, this topic is over and this forum is not going to get dirty anymore with your personal problems.



Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/06/14 15:06:57


Post by: Miguelsan


Spoiler:
 Crenshaw el Mortificador wrote:
I have told you in the two previous comments. Yes, some Spanish players (members or not of Mutant Chronicles Spain) complained about the Res Nova miniatures in the group of Warzone Eternal and Mutant Chronicles Spain (you did too, by the way, you even made jokes about it). Nor have they been as many as you seem to continually imply. As I have said in previous messages, players from other countries have also complained. And what happens? Well yes, there is nothing strange about it, that is very logical, each person can agree with the thumbnails, as long as they express their disagreement with education towards the company or people who work in this new game.

As for the rest of your message, I'm not going to waste my time with the weird conspiracies you're now spouting about whether I work with Res Nova and do damage control or any other incredible story you can create inside your head. No, this ends here.

I've already told you before, this topic is over and this forum is not going to get dirty anymore with your personal problems.


A cursory search of my previous posts in this thread fails to return a single result of me saying anything other than some, several, and so on. Please do share all those posts where I broadly accuse the Spanish community of being toxic. It seems to me that you are building a strawman out of what I said yet again. The closest you can get is when I wrote that the Spanish groups are very, very unhappy. If unhappy now means toxic... It's starting to get boring, you know?

Also let's not deviate of our main point. I couldn't care less if the Polish community is asking for the head of whoever designed the Mirrormen on a pike or not. They didn't call me a liar to my face in this forum, they didn't start attacking me out of the blue like you did. You didn't come here to say I was wrong, and that I missed a crucial detail somewhere. No, you outright called me a liar, and for whatever reason thought I was going to shut up in fear after that.

Actually you can silence me in 1 easy step, present the evidence that I lied. This is the 3rd post where I've asked where is the evidence of my wrongdoings. All you have provided so far are deflections, and moving the goalposts around, but scant hard evidence, could it be because I never said or wrote the words you keep putting in my mouth? Now it's my personal problems. Care to elaborate more what kind of personal problems I might have with WZE (other than you calling me a liar)?

I really thought you had to be working for Res Nova in some capacity. Blowing up you gasket the way you did plus all the damage control you are badly trying to accomplish on behalf of others it's a bit too much for my taste.

You have told me before, this topic was over. Except that it was not, and you keep doing an excellent job at poisoning the well.

M.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/06/14 15:07:51


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


This is way more interesting than Warzone Eternal could ever be


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/06/14 17:13:28


Post by: Crenshaw el Mortificador


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
This is way more interesting than Warzone Eternal could ever be


That has been good!! You have made me smile


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/06/14 20:59:38


Post by: warboss


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
This is way more interesting than Warzone Eternal could ever be


True. But the argument is starting to repeat itself like one of the games sculpts.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/06/14 23:25:04


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 His Master's Voice wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
Malifaux is hard plastic.


Didn't they start with resin/metal gangs?


Yes, a decade ago when the market was different.



Automatically Appended Next Post:
 warboss wrote:
Was Resurrection truly a failure? Prodos and future Archon was maliciously fething up moreso with AVP than this but it seemed like a good update visually to the minis line from an outsiders persoective and despite delays they seemed to actually get stuff in backers hands in reasonable time unlike AVP. I wasn't a backer so can't comment in detail on the kickstarter fulfillment nor on any changes to the lore with the update (reboot?).


The designs looked modern and not-embarrassing, and the resin was good quality. If they didn’t have the AVP albatross, they might have been successful with Warzone Resurrection.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/06/15 07:41:05


Post by: Miguelsan


I think it was a bit of everything. The resin from the KS was hit or miss, while later batches improved a lot. Also scaled down weapons made most blades too bendy, and prone to snapping. I had to swap quite a few blades. Last, but this one is according to taste, bareheaded figures got better proportions, but helmeted ones suffered from head shrinking problems.

I find that Brotherhood improved for the most part, while Mishima or Imperial got worse, Dark Legion got nice looking elites, but the basic grunts are bad. Vehicles also looked bad in general, there is diesel punk, and there is no way that plane is going to fly. Big Robots were really good looking, and to this day I lament not having bought another Erradicator or two.

M.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2022/06/15 12:29:38


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Miguelsan wrote:
IAlso scaled down weapons made most blades too bendy, and prone to snapping. I had to swap quite a few blades.

Yeah, as Mishiman I hated those thin blades.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/04 08:07:57


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Attempt 2 coming in May.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/warzoneeternal/

State of Warzone Eternal
Hey folks,

As mentioned last week, I wanted to touch base to break our long spell of silence and give you all a look at what we've been up to over the last eight months. Things may have been very quiet around here, but Res Nova has been busy. But before I dive into those details, I wanted to address the question for which I'm sure most of you are awaiting the answer . . .

Kickstarter
We will be launching the Kickstarter this May, with the specific date to be revealed later. Our initial plan was for a slightly earlier launch, to coincide with Adepticon (more on that later), but the announcement of a new Kickstarter campaign for that same weekend by one of the big brands in the miniatures industry, as well as the realization that we should use as much opportunity as we have to get our campaign in order, suggested a slight delay. As we get closer, additional details will be released.

Res Nova Expanding
A few months ago we announced that Richard Ankney had joined Res Nova to help us with our social media and community outreach goals. As we begin to re-engage the community you can expect to see much more from him and we've already got a list of activities planned.

Additionally, Jake Oz Krajeski has joined Res Nova to alleviate some of the operational burdens of launching a miniatures game. Jake's a miniatures industry veteran who brings a deep understanding of the hobby and its community.

We're excited to have both of them on board, and I'm hoping they're contributions mean at least slightly fewer late work nights for me.

Conventions
As part of the ramp-up to the Kickstarter launch, Res Nova will have a presence at a few upcoming shows.

First, from March 22-26, Res Nova will be at Adepticon in Chicago. This is by far the favorite miniatures convention of all of us at Res Nova, and we're excited to bring Warzone to that audience. We'll be exhibiting (booth numbers are unfortunately not yet released) all weekend, running demos of Warzone Eternal at our booth and showing off a slew of prototype models. We should have some swag available at the booth as well. If you'll be in the Windy City over this weekend, pop on over and say hi.

Rick will be enjoying an extended stay in Chi-town as, the very next weekend, he'll be manning the Paint and Take booth at C2E2, one of the premier comics conventions in the US. While supplies last, he'll have available one of our WZE prototypes for participants to slap paint on. If that happens to be one of you, be sure to post to the group!
Warzone Eternal Development
While I think all of the above is exciting news, I realize that most of you want to know what we've been working on in regards to the game itself, as well as the miniatures range. Well, it's been a lot . . .

Revised Sculpts - We were not happy with several of the units in the first Kickstarter, and we know some of you weren't either. So we've taken this time to address those concerns, and almost every model in the range has been revised to some degree. We heard that people wanted more dynamic poses and not everyone felt the modular approach of our first pass was appealing.

So the first goal was to rebuild the models that we liked into figures with a level of action in their poses and a detail that's hard, if not impossible, to achieve in a kit intended to allow the modular construction of models. By eliminating the need for modularity, this also meant we could introduce some of the minor unit distinguishing details that didn't exist in our first sets - such as the variations in the Imperial Blood Beret and Golden Lion pauldrons.

Brand New Sculpts - For some units, however, we decided that slight revisions weren't enough and decided to use this extra time to go back to the (digital) sculpting table and take a new crack at the sculpts. So, several of our units, such as the Venusian Ranger shown here - NOW WITH CLOAKS! - will have brand new models.

But we didn't stop there, and decided to add a third unit to each of our Kickstarter factions. We'll reveal what those are later, but we think folks are going to be pleased.

New Faction - In addition to revised sculpts, resculpts, and brand new unit sculpts, we figured we might as well sculpt an entirely new faction for this Kickstarter as well. We're thus happy to announce that Brotherhood will be joining the Kickstarter this time around. SOME of you have been very vocal about your disappointment that the Cardinal's holy warriors weren't in the first campaign, and we get it. Having the additional time to get these folks into the campaign was an unexpected benefit of choosing to cancel the first Kickstarter.

Rules & Other Development - It hasn't been all sculpting work though. Rules development has continued (we had a third unit for each faction and a brand new faction to test) and I just pushed out a new playtest packet to our playtester group today. Playtesting will likely run up to, and past the Kickstarter, so that we can be sure to have as tight of a system as possible.

More fiction and new artwork has been commissioned, and we're eager to get to show that stuff off to you as part of our efforts to re-introduce the Mutant Chronicles world to miniatures gamers.

So, all-in-all, it's been a lot of work, but we think it's created a much better product. As noted above, more details will emerge as we get closer to the Kickstarter date. In the meantime, make sure you follow us on our various social media channels so you can keep tabs on what we're up to.

Talk to you soon,
Alex


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/04 08:50:52


Post by: Grot 6


I don't know about all this other nonsense.

BUT-

I picked up a couple of squads of the old figures. I had some from one of the board games.

The old figures are still out there, and the games are there as well. (For free if you want them.)

Though great new sculpts would be nice, they are neither necessary, nor am I going to go back the way of that Alien/ Predator/ Colonial Marine game that was on par with giving birth to a mutant baby then it was in a good KS experience that was worth the money.
I felt like I was robbed and ripped off, and whoever comes to the conversation trying to tell me otherwise needs to have my foot up their backside.

In short, Warzone is already in my hands. If you have a new KS, great. Don't bother me until you have something to show.

I mean damn- It's WARZONE. You have the factions, you have the source and what your looking for. Just rerelease the sculpts with some update and call it a day. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel.

The last couple of "Kick Starters" have burned your bridges. NOW- You come to the table with prototypes, or don't come at all.

Your "boutique" at this point. So in that, you have yourself the option to go two ways- either release enclosed systems, two factions at a time, or start small- just like any other new game company does with a new game.

You are trying to put meat on the skeleton of a dead game. Lets go with that, and invigorate my interest in this corpse game- Not in the petty drama behind the scenes, and the vaporware.

To you other two- Pistols at dawn works.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/04 09:22:13


Post by: Taarnak


So, not much of that gives me the warm and fuzzies.

Especially this part:
Res Nova wrote:Revised Sculpts - We were not happy with several of the units in the first Kickstarter, and we know some of you weren't either. So we've taken this time to address those concerns, and almost every model in the range has been revised to some degree. We heard that people wanted more dynamic poses and not everyone felt the modular approach of our first pass was appealing.

So the first goal was to rebuild the models that we liked into figures with a level of action in their poses and a detail that's hard, if not impossible, to achieve in a kit intended to allow the modular construction of models. By eliminating the need for modularity, this also meant we could introduce some of the minor unit distinguishing details that didn't exist in our first sets - such as the variations in the Imperial Blood Beret and Golden Lion pauldrons.

Brand New Sculpts - For some units, however, we decided that slight revisions weren't enough and decided to use this extra time to go back to the (digital) sculpting table and take a new crack at the sculpts. So, several of our units, such as the Venusian Ranger shown here - NOW WITH CLOAKS! - will have brand new models

Sounds like silly posing and Tactical Detritus inbound... Boy oh boy do I hope not. Also, as far as I can remember, there is only ever been 1 Venusian Ranger with a cloak (in the artwork). Not sure why they all need it. It was silly on the old miniatures, and it will be silly on the new.

Speaking of that:


Oh look, there it is...

I truly love this property and am looking forward to seeing more, but I am apprehensive. Res Nova's original figures were pretty spot on. I also hope that they take the fiction and visuals all back to the Target/Heartbreaker days. The stuff added by Prodos and Modiphius was ill-fitting for the setting, IMO.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/04 09:38:23


Post by: Shadow Walker


As with Star Trek I will always have good memories about the MC (I will always use my nick and avatar because Mishima forever!) but I am no longer ruled by that nostalgia. Good luck to Res Nova though!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/04 12:19:58


Post by: warboss


I don't think the modularity was the lynchpin of why they didn't "succeed". I put that in quotes because they exceeded their original funding goal by 40% and still cancelled so obviously it wasn't their actual target.

I wonder if the redesign will ditch the 90s bobble head hamfisted aesthetics they were purposefully going for or if they will actually sculpt the hands around the weapons instead of just clipping them in. I understand there is a market for the former (heck, I was that market...in the 90s!) but it does limit the appeal to people used to the more realistic styles common over the past 20 years.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/04 13:17:10


Post by: Miguelsan


We'll see what happens come May. I have enough WZ Res. to paint years after the Prodos KS so I'm not in a rush to enter this one unless the Mishima offerings are top notch.
I would take another Erradicator though.

M.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/04 17:25:46


Post by: His Master's Voice


At the rate this iteration is going, I'll actually finish designing and printing my own Bauhaus before the "real" Bauhaus comes out.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/05 00:36:16


Post by: Miguelsan


Somebody was already doing that on Cults 3d. I saw the weapons files.

M.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/05 16:48:41


Post by: RedSarge


At this point, I'd settle for Mutant Chronicles Clix..


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/05 17:04:34


Post by: warboss


 RedSarge wrote:
At this point, I'd settle for Mutant Chronicles Clix..


That's not "settling", lol. Clix figs are actually nicely done and well proportioned nowadays in general (although the scale was primarisized/changed recently to 40mm+ for normal humans). That definitely would be a win in my book to get durable figs, painted ok, dynamically posed, and playable right out of the box!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/09 01:23:30


Post by: Gallahad


Is there a popular comic or something that drives the nostalgia for this property? Cool story? Great rules? What was magic about Warzone?

I'm not judging, just want to understand what drives companies to ressurect this property every few years.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/09 09:37:00


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Gallahad wrote:
Is there a popular comic or something that drives the nostalgia for this property? Cool story? Great rules? What was magic about Warzone?

I'm not judging, just want to understand what drives companies to ressurect this property every few years.

Instead writing tons of words I will give you a link with old MC RPGs, Warzone rulebooks, comics, card games, board games etc. so you can judge it for yourself http://www.mutantpedia.com/eng/


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/09 12:52:06


Post by: Luke82


I loved the Warzone game as a young un, I never got to play it much though as the GW grip was so strong. But the world was great. The solar system setting was just right I think, gave a vast playing field to muck about in but still felt small enough that things mattered. And the majority of the factions being humans in a relatively near future made it quite easy to get on board with their motivations. The corporate warfare angle was also very of its time when all us 80s / 90s kids were watching VHS tapes of 80s action movies where it was always ‘The Corporation’ behind the evil schemes.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/09 13:40:49


Post by: His Master's Voice


 Gallahad wrote:
Is there a popular comic or something that drives the nostalgia for this property? Cool story? Great rules? What was magic about Warzone?

I'm not judging, just want to understand what drives companies to ressurect this property every few years.


The setting is a compelling spin on some of the foundational ideas behind 40k. It also has a unique aesthetic driven by Paul Bonner's illustrations.

Well, that, and there's a bunch of 40+ gamers that fondly remember their first big wargame. Back in the day, there were countries in Europe where Warzone was THE game and GW products practically didn't exist.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/09 17:58:38


Post by: Ork-en Man


We started with the board game, Siege of the Citadel. Then, my sister's boyfriend found the minis game, and got my brother, my cousins, and me hooked on it.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/09 21:25:46


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


RedSarge wrote:At this point, I'd settle for Mutant Chronicles Clix..


Didn't FFG do prepainted MC clicks?

Someone did. Around 2010 or so.

Gallahad wrote:Is there a popular comic or something that drives the nostalgia for this property? Cool story? Great rules? What was magic about Warzone?

I'm not judging, just want to understand what drives companies to ressurect this property every few years.



It's WWI/WWII in space with zombies and demons and huge shoulder pads. That's really all you need to know. The factions are Space America, Space Germany, Space England, Space Japan, Space Catholics, Space Demon Zombies and uh... Space Cyberpunks.

So it takes GW's easy to get into Space Tolkien idea but goes with real world countries rather than fantasy.

There was a comic in 90s, it was pretty decent. The movie in 2000s was OKish.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/09 21:30:46


Post by: Grot 6


 Gallahad wrote:
Is there a popular comic or something that drives the nostalgia for this property? Cool story? Great rules? What was magic about Warzone?

I'm not judging, just want to understand what drives companies to resurrect this property every few years.


Once upon a time, it was on par with GW, if not bigger. It's fantasy game, Chronopia was a close second as far as popularity.

For the uninitiated, the game market was completely 180 degree difference then it is today. Ma and Pa game companies ruled the day, with two large ungangly companies catering to the mass with streamlined efficiency and accessibility. The Warzone games were popular because of the number of units of board games that were sold, and even today are still available at a reasonable price on the secondary and thirds markets.

THEY were the firsts. When GW was coming out with 2d edition 40K, Target/ Paradox was already cranking out their resin vehicles, and scenery for the game. As GW was struggling to get 40k, and Games Workshop itself, off the ground, Paradox was in talks for TV shows and the RPG.

Most who get hooked to Warzone get dusted up on the board games, and then as they figure out their itch to be scratched, follow through with their faction.

So in short, the accessibility, back in the day, was one of the first to be mass pushed to market, while everyone else was just getting their production legs going from Small scale specialized sculptors to mass produced sprue plastic figures.

What happened? Capitol. You don't have the bucks, you can't grow too fast, and sustain the growth in the market.

GW cut them in price, and in using the plastic to start making their vehicles cheaper, and more accessible then Warzone figures/ vehicles were.

While Armorcast was cranking out GW's resin large figures, GW itself was building up it's capitol base so it couple start mass producing plastic kits.

THIS game, as well- was one of like 5 that were competing for hobby dollars.

Games Workshop, FASA, Reaper, Iron WInds, ICOR, etc... Mass production of games was in it's toddler phase.

Other old dogs can chime in, but this was my contribution, from my end- as I experienced in the time it happened.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/09 21:43:27


Post by: Siygess


For me is was the moody black and white artwork from the 1st edition RPG which sold me on this grim, dark setting (but not grimdark - that's the other guys) where everything was oppressive and terrifying from the point of view of the average citizen.. a kind of perpetual Britain in the Blitz vibe where it was always night and there were far worse things than Nazis lurking in the shadows.

And it contrasted so well with the excellent full colour art from Doomtrooper and the comics that just had this incredible 'heroic' vibe, as if each piece was clever corporate propaganda to convince the public to stop cowering in their darkened homes and join up. Even the lowliest grunt was promised a blaze-of-glory death like they were in their own 80's action movie. IMHO that feeling translated well to the experience of playing SotC or even Warzone. I'm not sure why but I never got that feeling in 40k. Everything felt so faceless.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/10 01:32:12


Post by: Miguelsan


Can't add much more, but for me it was all the Corps in scape battling it out accross the Solar system. More relatable than the WHFB in space that was 40K at the time.
Plus the Mishima samurai leader figure that costed like 1$ at the time.
M.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/10 13:27:06


Post by: Veldrain


The original Warzone rpg was the one and only time I have had a character die during generation. It was a confusing experience and took a few moments before I realized this setting was insane and perfect.

Six foot tables where snipers had a close range of five feet. Sounds correct. That demonic thing has a machine gun with a close range of LOS - kill it fast. The center of the table belongs to two tooled up characters, who might as well be personifications of violence, tearing each other to shreds - we need that objective so go around them.

The game did seem to have it all and almost every unit had a purpose. Very few things were plain bad. Something as simple as it's 'Wait' action would improve so many games today.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/10 13:41:08


Post by: warboss


Veldrain wrote:
The original Warzone rpg was the one and only time I have had a character die during generation. It was a confusing experience and took a few moments before I realized this setting was insane and perfect.


How/why did the character die before its "birth" on the tabletop?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/10 13:56:28


Post by: Tsagualsa


 warboss wrote:
Veldrain wrote:
The original Warzone rpg was the one and only time I have had a character die during generation. It was a confusing experience and took a few moments before I realized this setting was insane and perfect.


How/why did the character die before its "birth" on the tabletop?


A lot of old-timey roleplaying games had random tables to generate a character's past, including stuff like past jobs, acquaintances, criminal contacts and so on.

Some of the more adventurous ones had random results that included the possibility of dying in a war, by accident, illness or whatever. Sometimes it was intended, sometimes it was the result of game mechanics: i.e. if a game had a rule that you died when you had negative toughness, and some results like 'old war wound' gave you toughness mali, you could roll badly and collect so many downgrades that your character was too weak to live

Traveller was notorious for very lethal character creation where about 1 in 10 would not make it to the game alive, but it also happened in Gamma World or RIFTS.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/10 15:35:11


Post by: Luke82


I vividly remember rolling for starting level of wealth in the old Mutant Chronicles RPG which could mean you were fabulously rich or living behind some bins in some forgotten alley in Luna.

Being kids we didn’t really have the nous to bring these sort of disparate characters together in an interesting way so of course all our guys were just made mega rich and kitted out with the finest Bauhaus kit. Good times!


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/10 15:40:02


Post by: warboss


Tsagualsa wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Veldrain wrote:
The original Warzone rpg was the one and only time I have had a character die during generation. It was a confusing experience and took a few moments before I realized this setting was insane and perfect.


How/why did the character die before its "birth" on the tabletop?


A lot of old-timey roleplaying games had random tables to generate a character's past, including stuff like past jobs, acquaintances, criminal contacts and so on.

Some of the more adventurous ones had random results that included the possibility of dying in a war, by accident, illness or whatever. Sometimes it was intended, sometimes it was the result of game mechanics: i.e. if a game had a rule that you died when you had negative toughness, and some results like 'old war wound' gave you toughness mali, you could roll badly and collect so many downgrades that your character was too weak to live

Traveller was notorious for very lethal character creation where about 1 in 10 would not make it to the game alive, but it also happened in Gamma World or RIFTS.


Was that the cas with Mutant Chronicles? I don't remember it happening in OG Rifts though I won't pretend that I memorized the entirety of the random backstory tables in the core book; I can't speak for the rest as I never played either. How did it happen in Rifts? Regardless, I can't say that I'd be a fan of the spread of that mechanic as someone who thinks that character death belongs in game or in backstory. YMMV.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/10 21:26:50


Post by: Veldrain


Yep, in the RPG you could age your character a few years and in return you advance your career path and pick up a few stats. Risking it was usually the only way to start with a special forces type background. Instead of picking up a bad case of PTSD my character went out in a blaze of glory before I even knew him.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/10 22:27:48


Post by: warboss


Veldrain wrote:
Yep, in the RPG you could age your character a few years and in return you advance your career path and pick up a few stats. Risking it was usually the only way to start with a special forces type background. Instead of picking up a bad case of PTSD my character went out in a blaze of glory before I even knew him.


Thanks. I suppose I'm not the target audience for that then. I'm ok with adding conditions due to rolled backstory but death seems to be a bit much during character creation IMO.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/11 22:01:32


Post by: Ronin_eX


 warboss wrote:
Veldrain wrote:
Yep, in the RPG you could age your character a few years and in return you advance your career path and pick up a few stats. Risking it was usually the only way to start with a special forces type background. Instead of picking up a bad case of PTSD my character went out in a blaze of glory before I even knew him.


Thanks. I suppose I'm not the target audience for that then. I'm ok with adding conditions due to rolled backstory but death seems to be a bit much during character creation IMO.


It shows up a lot in life-path systems as a risk vs. reward limiter. In the Target editions of Mutant Chronicles, it only started to be a risk at age 45. Considering most characters start the career cycle at 16, this means you had ~14 career repetitions before you even started risking it. Most characters stopped well before then, so it generally only came up if you were too deep for your own good. Traveller had a similar method, though the risk was present all the time (as it was not simply aging that caused it).

The 2d20 version did away with risking death and simply had a hard cap on repetitions (while adding in ways to get on a specific career path so it was less luck-based). Life path systems are great for getting people with low setting investment in to a game because it gives them a "lived in" backstory from the jump, so you end up with far fewer one-note characters in a group that may not be familiar with the setting yet. Of course, earlier life path systems often had a lot of "test your luck" stuff as well, but it helps to think of character creation in these ones as a sort of game unto themselves rather than just a chargen method. With that said, getting rid of the death thing helped a lot of them out (though many still keep the harsh consequences that stop just short of death... except Infinity 2d20, but then death isn't usually an end there).

As for the setting itself, the aesthetics are a big part of it. You had a lot of great art backing up an evocative setting that mixed a lot of influences from the same well that 40k drank from. It very much feels like a 2000AD/Heavy Metal comic that you can play around in. It also had the good grace to die well before it became self-serious to the point where it was hard to tell if it was still in on the satire.

Luckily, Modiphius did a hell of a job giving the setting its proper swan song as they developed the RPG line for longer than Target ever did and released a fully realized iteration of the setting before giving the license up. It would be nice if it stuck around, but the line itself was fairly complete. If we never get another effort as good again for either the RPG or Warzone, then I can at least be happy with that. It would be nice to see Warzone get a proper send-off as well with modern minis line that did more than scratch the surface, but that is a bit of a bigger ask than a feature-complete RPG line.

Either way, a lot of us have fond memories of the setting and would love to see it done right after so many companies (including its progenitor) end up fumbling the ball with it. So far, RezNova hasn't given the best impression that they're the one, but they also haven't done any worse than the last few either. So we'll see (or we won't).


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/11 22:25:32


Post by: Manu Miniatures


Never played MC rpg, but I am kinda obsessed with MC lately and I am wasting time browsing old books from time to time. There are some cool lore fragments hidden in the character creation process. One of the ways to obtain Capitol citizenship was serving 10 years in Freedom Brigades (penal/foreign fighters formation, not sure if ever introduced in any edition of Warzone). Bad rolls during the service period could end the life of the character.

Generally speaking, I am very curious what new sculpts from Res Nova will look like, Mortificator (Crenshaw?) was a solid step in the right direction.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/11 22:42:19


Post by: warboss


 Ronin_eX wrote:

It shows up a lot in life-path systems as a risk vs. reward limiter. In the Target editions of Mutant Chronicles, it only started to be a risk at age 45. Considering most characters start the career cycle at 16, this means you had ~14 career repetitions before you even started risking it. Most characters stopped well before then, so it generally only came up if you were too deep for your own good. Traveller had a similar method, though the risk was present all the time (as it was not simply aging that caused it).


So did that have an effective bump in power associated with it as well? From the description, it sounds almost like being able to start a character at a higher level than others who don't push their luck. I'm not an advocate for soviet character generation where all characters must be exactly equal in power but, if that is the case, I don't think I could get behind that either. Admittedly, I am a fan of point based stats and classless character generation though and not of early 70's-90's random mechanics in generation.

Luckily, Modiphius did a hell of a job giving the setting its proper swan song as they developed the RPG line for longer than Target ever did and released a fully realized iteration of the setting before giving the license up. It would be nice if it stuck around, but the line itself was fairly complete. If we never get another effort as good again for either the RPG or Warzone, then I can at least be happy with that. It would be nice to see Warzone get a proper send-off as well with modern minis line that did more than scratch the surface, but that is a bit of a bigger ask than a feature-complete RPG line.

Either way, a lot of us have fond memories of the setting and would love to see it done right after so many companies (including its progenitor) end up fumbling the ball with it. So far, RezNova hasn't given the best impression that they're the one, but they also haven't done any worse than the last few either. So we'll see (or we won't).


I'm glad to hear that they had such a good run with their version of the RPG. Did the timing of that coincide with the Prodos/Archon minis game?


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/11 23:26:38


Post by: RaptorusRex


I like the art style. Discovering it was Paul Bonner made it make sense.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/12 04:29:15


Post by: Veldrain


 warboss wrote:
 Ronin_eX wrote:

It shows up a lot in life-path systems as a risk vs. reward limiter. In the Target editions of Mutant Chronicles, it only started to be a risk at age 45. Considering most characters start the career cycle at 16, this means you had ~14 career repetitions before you even started risking it. Most characters stopped well before then, so it generally only came up if you were too deep for your own good. Traveller had a similar method, though the risk was present all the time (as it was not simply aging that caused it).


So did that have an effective bump in power associated with it as well? From the description, it sounds almost like being able to start a character at a higher level than others who don't push their luck. I'm not an advocate for soviet character generation where all characters must be exactly equal in power but, if that is the case, I don't think I could get behind that either. Admittedly, I am a fan of point based stats and classless character generation though and not of early 70's-90's random mechanics in generation.


Why would a fresh out of college accountant have the same power(stats? experience?) as a veteran special forces pulled off the front lines due to injury? This isn't d&d where your level stat is all that matters.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/12 13:35:40


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Manu Miniatures wrote:
Never played MC rpg, but I am kinda obsessed with MC lately and I am wasting time browsing old books from time to time. There are some cool lore fragments hidden in the character creation process. One of the ways to obtain Capitol citizenship was serving 10 years in Freedom Brigades (penal/foreign fighters formation, not sure if ever introduced in any edition of Warzone). Bad rolls during the service period could end the life of the character.

Generally speaking, I am very curious what new sculpts from Res Nova will look like, Mortificator (Crenshaw?) was a solid step in the right direction.


IIRC they were in Warzone, a poorly equipped but high morale sort of unit.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/12 13:43:49


Post by: warboss


Veldrain wrote:

Why would a fresh out of college accountant have the same power(stats? experience?) as a veteran special forces pulled off the front lines due to injury? This isn't d&d where your level stat is all that matters.


I dont know if you've ever played D&D but it's not the only thing that matters (the game has attributes, skills, feats, powers, and items as well) but rather that level is a generally accepted gauge of overall power. My point wasn't that the characters should be the same but that the difference between an accountant and veteran special forces (your example) might be too wide a gulf for STARTING characters in terms of power for my tastes. If you played it and liked then power to you. It seems like I can't have too unique a take on that if they changed that for the subsequent edition though.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/12 18:10:01


Post by: Grot 6


I found this for ... laughs... and giggles.

Enjoy!

https://archive.org/details/warzonefastfurio0000king


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/02/12 20:46:24


Post by: Ronin_eX


 warboss wrote:
 Ronin_eX wrote:

It shows up a lot in life-path systems as a risk vs. reward limiter. In the Target editions of Mutant Chronicles, it only started to be a risk at age 45. Considering most characters start the career cycle at 16, this means you had ~14 career repetitions before you even started risking it. Most characters stopped well before then, so it generally only came up if you were too deep for your own good. Traveller had a similar method, though the risk was present all the time (as it was not simply aging that caused it).


So did that have an effective bump in power associated with it as well? From the description, it sounds almost like being able to start a character at a higher level than others who don't push their luck. I'm not an advocate for soviet character generation where all characters must be exactly equal in power but, if that is the case, I don't think I could get behind that either. Admittedly, I am a fan of point based stats and classless character generation though and not of early 70's-90's random mechanics in generation.


In 1st/2nd Edition, party balance could get pretty wild, though this was usually more an effect of starting wealth than straight skill. It was fairly easy to make a competent character in their field of expertise, but being able to afford the shiniest gear out of the gate was a big game changer.

The 3rd Edition normalized this quite a bit by limiting repetitions and allowing for more targeted pathing through the various stages. 2d20 characters tend to come out of chargen pretty competent and equipped with anything they need, so it is a lot harder to have a character that's too weak or too strong (though in the end, because of the random nature, there will be some variance between characters). But given the influence of system-mastery in point-based or class-based games, I don't ever feel like it's any worse than those, just different.

Luckily, Modiphius did a hell of a job giving the setting its proper swan song as they developed the RPG line for longer than Target ever did and released a fully realized iteration of the setting before giving the license up. It would be nice if it stuck around, but the line itself was fairly complete. If we never get another effort as good again for either the RPG or Warzone, then I can at least be happy with that. It would be nice to see Warzone get a proper send-off as well with modern minis line that did more than scratch the surface, but that is a bit of a bigger ask than a feature-complete RPG line.

Either way, a lot of us have fond memories of the setting and would love to see it done right after so many companies (including its progenitor) end up fumbling the ball with it. So far, RezNova hasn't given the best impression that they're the one, but they also haven't done any worse than the last few either. So we'll see (or we won't).


I'm glad to hear that they had such a good run with their version of the RPG. Did the timing of that coincide with the Prodos/Archon minis game?


Yup, they came out around the same time (Warzone was first though as I recall) and Prodos even did a few RPG minis for them. But where Modiphius uses Kickstarters to bootstrap a whole RPG line, Prodos's plan seemed far less concrete and they began flailing pretty soon after instead of focusing on their early success with Warzone and growing from there.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/04/08 12:25:45


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


FWIW there was a post on Facebook saying Kick Starter in May.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/04/17 17:46:05


Post by: Forar


Tangential to the topic at hand, but as someone who played Rifts on and off again for over a decade, I don't recall any situations where a character could die during creation.

Sure, you could roll up stats that were effectively worthless for the character you wanted to play, even after buffing up your physical stats with skills, but so few of the them were pertinent to survival for many Rifts characters that it was mostly fluff and whether or not you got a +1 or a +3 to a D20 roll, or an extra couple percentage points on skills.

Unless you made a Juicer (who typically had a lifespan measured in a handful of years at best) and decided they got Juiced a decade ago, nothing is really leaping out at me. Maybe some RCCs with exceptionally short lifespans? Attribute bonuses were common enough, actual penalties a bit less so, but it has been over a decade since I last played, so I'm not stating this in a definitive kind of way.

More just a surprised musing as I stumbled across the topic in the midst of the thread.


Warzone Eternal - Res Nova Games (Mutant Chronicles)-KS v2 May 2023 @ 2023/05/02 15:10:39


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Since the Kickstarter is finally here I'm going to close this 3 year old thread and start a new one.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/809850.page#11527590