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Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 14:57:03


Post by: H.B.M.C.


So... this happened.

This counts as news, right?



GW wrote:One of the 41st Millennium’s most famed warriors, Marneus Calgar is a champion of Humanity whose legacy goes right back to the earliest days of Rogue Trader. He’s a paragon of what makes a Space Marine a Space Marine, though his origins have always remained a mystery – until now. This new comic series will, at last, tell the origin story of this exemplar of the Adeptus Astartes, even going back as far as his time as a child on Nova Thulium.
I tell ya what, they had better fething mention me!

Can we start calling him Marvellous Calgar now?





Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 14:59:05


Post by: pm713


Hopefully this goes well and we get more comics about other people in the universe.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:06:10


Post by: Malika2


Dear God...generic comic book 40k...


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:06:29


Post by: Ghaz


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So... this happened.

This counts as news, right?

It did when they announced last year that it was going to happen in this locked thread (old thread for reference).


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:07:53


Post by: RandomRubric


I looked up the artists and they seem solid, i also hope it goes well but im not a fan of the art style of the cover, hope it doesn't carry in the comic.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:10:20


Post by: Crispy78


 RandomRubric wrote:
I looked up the artists and they seem solid, i also hope it goes well but im not a fan of the art style of the cover, hope it doesn't carry in the comic.


Yeah it's a bit... clean. Bright.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:12:25


Post by: Slayer-Fan123


So Calgar can now show up in the MCU with no problems. Would've made Endgame at least a little more interesting.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:14:16


Post by: Gadzilla666


Erm, not the character I would have chosen to start with. Probably shouldn't have been a known character in the first place. Too much existing baggage. Not a fan of the cartoony art style either. Would prefer detailed black and white. But I'm an old indy comic and gw guy so that's just me. Definitely wouldn't be the modern Marvel style.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:18:20


Post by: Fifty


 Ghaz wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So... this happened.

This counts as news, right?

It did when they announced last year that it was going to happen in this locked thread (old thread for reference).


Well, as it is locked, I guess we'll need a new thread for recent developments!

Well done HBMC, eh Ghaz?


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:18:37


Post by: Slayer-Fan123


 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Erm, not the character I would have chosen to start with. Probably shouldn't have been a known character in the first place. Too much existing baggage. Not a fan of the cartoony art style either. Would prefer detailed black and white. But I'm an old indy comic and gw guy so that's just me. Definitely wouldn't be the modern Marvel style.

I gotta disagree. Choosing a known character is a better starting point as there's less to mess up with for what can be overall established events and stories. That's why for the live action thing using Eisenhorn is a smart move.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:19:45


Post by: The Phazer


The cover colouring is far too bright and clean tbh, but maybe that's just the cover art.The pencils are fine.

Still, I'm hopeful with Gillen writing it will be good.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:22:02


Post by: Kayback


His head looks wonky.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:22:32


Post by: GaroRobe


 Malika2 wrote:
Dear God...generic comic book 40k...


We've had those for a long time though. Look at the that odd Deathwatch comic we got. And the Dark Angels vs Iron Warriors vs Grey Knights + Inquisition comic. And before that, we had that Empire comic series, which tied in with the Witch Hunter comics.

Also, this isn't the first 40k Marvel thing. Remember all those plagiarized 40k stuff that one guy ripped off? He didn't even think to change the Tau symbol on the vehicle
This was a smart move by Marvel. Now when you google 40k Marvel, this comic will pop up, not that plagiarism stuff

Pri-Marneus Calgar looks a bit off though. His head seems too far back


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:23:14


Post by: Slayer-Fan123


Kayback wrote:
His head looks wonky.

I mean he's missing limbs so he's should look wonky.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:23:59


Post by: Ghaz


 Fifty wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So... this happened.

This counts as news, right?

It did when they announced last year that it was going to happen in this locked thread (old thread for reference).


Well, as it is locked, I guess we'll need a new thread for recent developments!

Well done HBMC, eh Ghaz?

The locked thread covered that in the last post. It also contains a link to the original Warhammer Community post for those who are interested.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:27:58


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Kayback wrote:
His head looks wonky.
Disparage my half brother at your own peril!!!


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:33:29


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Art isn’t really doing it for me. Here’s hoping there’s a different artist for the pages.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:34:21


Post by: Arbitrator


 Malika2 wrote:
Dear God...generic comic book 40k...

There's been a few comics already no? Even after GW stopped producing them. They never do very well and I shouldn't think this one will either.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:36:56


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Arbitrator wrote:
They never do very well and I shouldn't think this one will either.
You never know. The glorious stories of my half brother might really take off, enough that Disney takes notice.

Disney owns Marvel.
Marvel makes a 40K comic.
Disney buys GW.
Woman inherits the earth.

I may have mixed in a quote from something else there...


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 15:41:07


Post by: Vermis


I don't believe it...

...Marvel is still in business?


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 16:28:14


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


That cover is not great.

But hey, at leas the Dead Marine on the cover is a Primaris Lt.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 16:28:55


Post by: Albertorius


 Vermis wrote:
I don't believe it...

...Marvel is still in business?

Welcome to the 21st century, my brother.

...you probably should have stayed in the cryocapsule at least six months more, you have chosen the year poorly


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 16:38:52


Post by: Lord Damocles


Telling Calgar's origin story -> Primarisized Calgar on the cover.
Yup; seems about right.


EDIT: Also, why are they using the dodgy 40K logo with the overhanging R for this? They literally have a non-borked version in use FFS.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 16:54:45


Post by: Elbows


 Albertorius wrote:
 Vermis wrote:
I don't believe it...

...Marvel is still in business?

Welcome to the 21st century, my brother.

...you probably should have stayed in the cryocapsule at least six months more, you have chosen the year poorly


He's talking about Marvel actually producing comic books. Both DC's and Marvel's comic book divisions are now making only a tiny fraction of the company's profits. It's an insanely low number, something like 8-11% or something. Comic book shops are closing at an alarming rate.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 17:02:05


Post by: warboss


I didn't know side effects of the primarisizing of Oldstartes included microcephaly and neck elongation.

Spoiler:


That is some gakky artwork for the first issue cover where you'd think they'd want to make the best impression possible. They should have gotten on of the artists who do the codex covers or this freelance artist.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/1nNx43

Spoiler:



Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 17:30:57


Post by: SamusDrake


No, the art style is what you'd expect for Transformers or a super hero comic, not 40K.

Look, GW have made great efforts to deliver a book range that wouldn't feel out of place in the historical warfare, Tolkien or Shakespeare sections at Waterstones, and I don't see it here.

And yes, Warboss, that is more like it.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 17:37:45


Post by: Voss


SamusDrake wrote:
No, the art style is what you'd expect for Transformers or a super hero comic, not 40K.

Look, GW have made great efforts to deliver a book range that wouldn't feel out of place in the historical warfare, Tolkien or Shakespeare sections at Waterstones, and I don't see it here.


Yeah, no. Glad I put my glass down, because a spittake would have been unavoidable.
This is exactly what I expect from a 40k/Marvel collab.
Well, OK, from the cover I also expect a guest-crossover with Cable, just so we can be confused about who is who, but this is 40k. It is superheroes, and Transformers honestly make more logical sense than the setting we're working with, and they barely make any sense.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 17:54:01


Post by: SamusDrake


Sadly I wasn't as quick!

I'm pretty forgiving on most things( the Ultramarines movie and that emo-Ravenguard chap, for example ) but sometimes we have to put our foot down.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 18:06:15


Post by: Albertorius


 Elbows wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 Vermis wrote:
I don't believe it...

...Marvel is still in business?

Welcome to the 21st century, my brother.

...you probably should have stayed in the cryocapsule at least six months more, you have chosen the year poorly


He's talking about Marvel actually producing comic books. Both DC's and Marvel's comic book divisions are now making only a tiny fraction of the company's profits. It's an insanely low number, something like 8-11% or something. Comic book shops are closing at an alarming rate.

And still, it has done nothing but grow since it almost went bankrupt last century.

It is a lost opportunity, though; they should have partnered up with IDW. That way they could have had crossovers with Transformers, G.I. Joe, Power Rangers, Mask, TMNT, Terminator... feth, they could have had a crossover with Sonic the Hedgehog!


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 18:09:25


Post by: tommse


I hate that cover art but Kieran Gillan is a legit writer. I´m curious how the rest will look like.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 18:10:49


Post by: Ghaz


 warboss wrote:
I didn't know side effects of the primarisizing of Oldstartes included microcephaly and neck elongation.

Spoiler:


That is some gakky artwork for the first issue cover where you'd think they'd want to make the best impression possible. They should have gotten on of the artists who do the codex covers or this freelance artist.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/1nNx43

Spoiler:


Comics are very good at having variant covers...


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 18:15:18


Post by: warboss


 Ghaz wrote:

Comics are very good at having variant covers...


Many folks who comment on the industry consider that to be one of the many problems with it but that's a long discussion for another thread/subforum.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 18:29:38


Post by: lord_blackfang


Calgar is my favourite Avenger


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 18:35:13


Post by: SamusDrake


 Albertorius wrote:


they could have had a crossover with Sonic the Hedgehog!


Flashgits have already done that with the Black Templars...


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 18:39:51


Post by: warboss


 lord_blackfang wrote:
Calgar is my favourite Avenger


I wonder if he'll thwart the plans of chaos by eating a word bearer's brain to gain knowledge of their plans.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
SamusDrake wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:


they could have had a crossover with Sonic the Hedgehog!


Flashgits have already done that with the Black Templars...


I think their pink Hello Kitty marine parodies will be more grimdark than anything Marvel will give us.




That's not to say that I'm against more family friendly comics in the 40k universe but rather that I'd want them in addition to a more indy authentic take. YMMV.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 20:35:24


Post by: Slayer-Fan123


Well then we need to discuss what's considered "kid friendly". Didn't they actually kill characters in the Adventure series via Necrons? Doesn't seem kid friendly there entirely.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 20:42:25


Post by: GaroRobe


Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Well then we need to discuss what's considered "kid friendly". Didn't they actually kill characters in the Adventure series via Necrons? Doesn't seem kid friendly there entirely.


Spoilers for all who care
Spoiler:
The Necron not only kill people, they manage to destroy the entire planet.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 20:50:44


Post by: Darnok


So, with Disney owning Marvel Comics... is Marneus Calgar a Disney princess now?


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 20:51:27


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


 Darnok wrote:
So, with Disney owning Marvel Comics... is Marneus Calgar a Disney princess now?


No, Macha and Taldeer are though.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 21:03:12


Post by: Gregor Samsa


Terrible


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 21:10:31


Post by: Laughing Man


 GaroRobe wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Well then we need to discuss what's considered "kid friendly". Didn't they actually kill characters in the Adventure series via Necrons? Doesn't seem kid friendly there entirely.


Spoilers for all who care
Spoiler:
The Necron not only kill people, they manage to destroy the entire planet.

A note that Hunger Games is also young adult literature, and features murder for sport as its primary plot point.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 21:16:15


Post by: JohnnyHell


His neck tho.

Seriously, the art is fine I guess apart from that head/neck snafu.

But I’ve no use for a Bolter porn comic anyway. GW has never done particularly good comics.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 21:20:22


Post by: Galas


Marneus Calgar is literally a head and a torso, he has no limbs. Hes full robocop. I don't even know why hes not a dreadnought.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 21:25:21


Post by: Slayer-Fan123


 Laughing Man wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Well then we need to discuss what's considered "kid friendly". Didn't they actually kill characters in the Adventure series via Necrons? Doesn't seem kid friendly there entirely.


Spoilers for all who care
Spoiler:
The Necron not only kill people, they manage to destroy the entire planet.

A note that Hunger Games is also young adult literature, and features murder for sport as its primary plot point.

Hunger Games is for teenagers. Not sure if Warhammer Adventures is in that same category.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 21:28:38


Post by: SamusDrake


 Darnok wrote:
So, with Disney owning Marvel Comics... is Marneus Calgar a Disney princess now?


Oh dear lord!


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 21:37:26


Post by: Vermis


Elbows wrote:He's talking about Marvel actually producing comic books. Both DC's and Marvel's comic book divisions are now making only a tiny fraction of the company's profits. It's an insanely low number, something like 8-11% or something. Comic book shops are closing at an alarming rate.


Yeah, that.

Albertorius wrote:And still, it has done nothing but grow since it almost went bankrupt last century.

It is a lost opportunity, though; they should have partnered up with IDW.


Yanno that Marvel Studios is a separate thing, right? That Marvel Comics farm out their characters to IDW now?

JohnnyHell wrote:But I’ve no use for a Bolter porn comic anyway. GW has never done particularly good comics.


I've been looking through the old Warhammer Monthly comics recently. Nostalgia goggles weren't enough to disguise the fact that barring a few gems (Titan, Darkblade, Kal Jerico etc.) you're right.

There's another topic in itself - what happened to those characters after the sudden chop.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 21:37:54


Post by: warboss


 Darnok wrote:
So, with Disney owning Marvel Comics... is Marneus Calgar a Disney princess now?


You have to be owned by Disney to have that honor. He's licensed so, at best, he's a Disney mistress.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 21:45:39


Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl


 Elbows wrote:
He's talking about Marvel actually producing comic books. Both DC's and Marvel's comic book divisions are now making only a tiny fraction of the company's profits. It's an insanely low number, something like 8-11% or something. Comic book shops are closing at an alarming rate.

Marvel movies are making so much money by reusing the most popular characters and storyline from comics that they can just keep publishing comics at a loss, and consider that R&D/market research, I guess.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/25 23:31:18


Post by: Theophony


Wont punisher feel underdressed now with only one skull on him .


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/26 02:25:51


Post by: BrianDavion


 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
He's talking about Marvel actually producing comic books. Both DC's and Marvel's comic book divisions are now making only a tiny fraction of the company's profits. It's an insanely low number, something like 8-11% or something. Comic book shops are closing at an alarming rate.

Marvel movies are making so much money by reusing the most popular characters and storyline from comics that they can just keep publishing comics at a loss, and consider that R&D/market research, I guess.


it's possiable marvel considers this 40k forey an experiment to test how popular 40k is, if the comics do well disney could well take a look at the IP more seriously for other material.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/26 05:42:22


Post by: Kayback


He got Rob Liefield'd.



Wait a sec. Marvel, Captain America, genetically engineered soldiers... Is Cap Calgar?


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/26 06:37:04


Post by: Malika2


 Arbitrator wrote:
 Malika2 wrote:
Dear God...generic comic book 40k...

There's been a few comics already no? Even after GW stopped producing them. They never do very well and I shouldn't think this one will either.


Well, Deff Skwadron, Daemonifuge, Kal Jerico, The Redeemer, Titan, and even the more recent Macragge's Honour were actually quite cool.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/26 07:10:23


Post by: Mr Morden


I like the cover, I have quite a few of the old comics - variable quality but thats comics (and novels...and anythng else)


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/26 07:21:37


Post by: Vector Strike


40k comics? Nice

Ultraborings, though... meh


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/26 07:30:19


Post by: AduroT


It’s issue one of a Marvel book, there will probably be a good dozen variant covers if you don’t like the art on this one.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/26 08:49:56


Post by: diepotato47


Technically, this is another Primaris Lieutenant release, just saying. Another dead Primaris Lieutenant too.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/26 10:14:00


Post by: Cronch


Marvel is perfect fit for GW, too bad it's just more muhreens. Yes, I know muhreens are the stars of the show, doesn't change the fact.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/26 13:23:45


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


The garish colours on the cover makes them look like minis from the early nineties. I would be surprised if Calgar was actually standing on a circle of bright green flock.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/26 14:02:54


Post by: Platuan4th


 Albertorius wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 Vermis wrote:
I don't believe it...

...Marvel is still in business?

Welcome to the 21st century, my brother.

...you probably should have stayed in the cryocapsule at least six months more, you have chosen the year poorly


He's talking about Marvel actually producing comic books. Both DC's and Marvel's comic book divisions are now making only a tiny fraction of the company's profits. It's an insanely low number, something like 8-11% or something. Comic book shops are closing at an alarming rate.

And still, it has done nothing but grow since it almost went bankrupt last century.

It is a lost opportunity, though; they should have partnered up with IDW. That way they could have had crossovers with Transformers, G.I. Joe, Power Rangers, Mask, TMNT, Terminator... feth, they could have had a crossover with Sonic the Hedgehog!


Power Rangers is done by Boom, not IDW. Incidentally, Boom was the previous 40K license holder, so that crossover actually used to be on the table.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/26 16:24:27


Post by: Lord Damocles


 GaroRobe wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Well then we need to discuss what's considered "kid friendly". Didn't they actually kill characters in the Adventure series via Necrons? Doesn't seem kid friendly there entirely.


Spoilers for all who care
Spoiler:
The Necron not only kill people, they manage to destroy the entire planet.

Although it's also worth noting that the trail of devastation left in the wake of our pre-teen protagonists has almost no effect on them at all, other than one scene where Talen was a tad sad for a bit.

Any normal human would be psychologically ruined by a fraction of what they've cheerfully passed through.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/26 17:11:27


Post by: Slayer-Fan123


 Lord Damocles wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Well then we need to discuss what's considered "kid friendly". Didn't they actually kill characters in the Adventure series via Necrons? Doesn't seem kid friendly there entirely.


Spoilers for all who care
Spoiler:
The Necron not only kill people, they manage to destroy the entire planet.

Although it's also worth noting that the trail of devastation left in the wake of our pre-teen protagonists has almost no effect on them at all, other than one scene where Talen was a tad sad for a bit.

Any normal human would be psychologically ruined by a fraction of what they've cheerfully passed through.

It's the 41st Millennium and they're too young to process it correctly perhaps. Hard to say how preteens would react to those events in today's age, but in 40k that's just another month of Mayhem.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 00:33:00


Post by: Grot 6


Marvel is dying... they have to grab at any straws anyone throws at them at this point.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 01:23:30


Post by: BrianDavion


 Grot 6 wrote:
Marvel is dying... they have to grab at any straws anyone throws at them at this point.


if you think marvel took up the 40k franchise because they figured it might save their comics publishing you're nuts.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 01:28:36


Post by: BaconCatBug


BrianDavion wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
Marvel is dying... they have to grab at any straws anyone throws at them at this point.


if you think marvel took up the 40k franchise because they figured it might save their comics publishing you're nuts.
They took it because they need anything, literally anything that might turn even the most tiny of profits, having spent the last decade destroying the American comic book industry.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 02:17:22


Post by: EnTyme


Right? I mean, it's not like Marvel Studios just spent the last decade and a half making literally all the money at the box office.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 02:23:08


Post by: BaconCatBug


 EnTyme wrote:
Right? I mean, it's not like Marvel Studios just spent the last decade and a half making literally all the money at the box office.
You do realise they are separate companies, right? Just because they are both owned by the same parent company (Disney), doesn't magically make the Comic division profitable because the Movie division is raking in the cash.

Marvel Studios, LLC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Studios
Marvel Worldwide Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Comics


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 02:34:36


Post by: EnTyme


In the corporate world, that's what's known as "creative accounting". One brand is split up into multiple "corporations" in such a way that one makes a profit and the other operates at a loss. The company that operates at a loss subsidizes the tax burden of the profitable entity. You can't seriously think that Marvel Studios and Marvel Comics are separate to anyone but the IRS?


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 02:37:41


Post by: BaconCatBug


 EnTyme wrote:
In the corporate world, that's what's known as "creative accounting". One brand is split up into multiple "corporations" in such a way that one makes a profit and the other operates at a loss. The company that operates at a loss subsidizes the tax burden of the profitable entity. You can't seriously think that Marvel Studios and Marvel Comics are separate to anyone but the IRS?
Given the fact that one company has almost single-handedly destroyed an entire industry, while the other has printed money with the most safe and generic films you can imagine, yes, I think they have different people calling the shots.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 02:42:44


Post by: EnTyme


 BaconCatBug wrote:
Given the fact that one company has almost single-handedly destroyed an entire industry . . .


Oh, I can't wait to hear this. Though since you tried to link to Arch Warhammer earlier, I can probably predict why you think it was Marvel that "destroyed" the comic book industry.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 02:54:41


Post by: NH Gunsmith


I really think Salamanders would have been a much better choice. That would let the artists be able to create really neat art with their ornately crafted weapons, use of fire/scales, and that they actually care about the people of their homeworld making it easier to show the human/post-human stuggles and ideas of how the Astartes view regular humans.

That cover just looks so generic right now, besides people already a fan of 40k, don't really imagine somebody seeing that and thinking it is cool.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 03:02:20


Post by: ScarletRose


 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I really think Salamanders would have been a much better choice. That would let the artists be able to create really neat art with their ornately crafted weapons, use of fire/scales, and that they actually care about the people of their homeworld making it easier to show the human/post-human stuggles and ideas of how the Astartes view regular humans.

That cover just looks so generic right now, besides people already a fan of 40k, don't really imagine somebody seeing that and thinking it is cool.


I'm not the biggest Ultramarine fan, but they are portrayed as working well with their human auxiliary and caring about them. Not the same as Salamanders of course, but they're not as aloof as a lot of chapters.

Agreed on the cover though, it's just okayish.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 03:21:16


Post by: ArcaneHorror


It'll be funny if this series generates some new fans for Marneus who find out after a quick search that he's out of action for having one of his hearts ripped out.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 03:31:35


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Maybe split the tangent about the dying comic book industry into Off Topic or Geek Media? I’m pretty sure that there’s entertainment value to be had there, but I don’t want this thread locked until we get some blurry potato-cam pics of truly Liefeldian interior artwork.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 04:40:50


Post by: BrianDavion


 ArcaneHorror wrote:
It'll be funny if this series generates some new fans for Marneus who find out after a quick search that he's out of action for having one of his hearts ripped out.


You think he's been put out of action perminatly? he just got an expensive new model, GW's not going to bench him forever


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 05:34:10


Post by: H.B.M.C.


It's amazing what a coat of Nuln Oil can do for a miniature:



Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 05:58:24


Post by: Kayback


Eh, the sun still shines in the future. Grimdark doesn't specifically mean the palette used.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 06:11:43


Post by: ArcaneHorror


BrianDavion wrote:
 ArcaneHorror wrote:
It'll be funny if this series generates some new fans for Marneus who find out after a quick search that he's out of action for having one of his hearts ripped out.


You think he's been put out of action perminatly? he just got an expensive new model, GW's not going to bench him forever


Not permanently, but as of the moment, that's the reality of the situation. I'm sure it'll change soon.

Kayback wrote:Eh, the sun still shines in the future.


Many forge worlds would say otherwise.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 06:19:44


Post by: Stormonu


It's just the cover. What matters is the art inside.

Personally, I'd prefer black & white, like the old Conan comics or Deff Skwadron.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 06:44:02


Post by: Kayback


 ArcaneHorror wrote:


Kayback wrote:Eh, the sun still shines in the future.


Many forge worlds would say otherwise.


And void battles, battles inside hives or a myriad of different places but not everywhere is under a miasma of dark atmospheres.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 06:47:27


Post by: Albertorius


 BaconCatBug wrote:
 EnTyme wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
Given the fact that one company has almost single-handedly destroyed an entire industry . . .
Oh, I can't wait to hear this. Though since you tried to link to Arch Warhammer earlier, I can probably predict why you think it was Marvel that "destroyed" the comic book industry.
They made products no-one wanted, did not hire the best writers and/or artists, and told the people who actually bought their product that they were bad people by virtue of immutable characteristics, which meant they stopped buying their product.


Yeah, I'm sure DC's 52 Crises on Infinite Crisis had nothing to do with that.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 06:52:30


Post by: Roknar


Spoiler:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's amazing what a coat of Nuln Oil can do for a miniature:



as if I needed more confirmation that I didn't like their recent style...like night and day...jebus


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 06:54:30


Post by: BrianDavion


 Roknar wrote:
Spoiler:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's amazing what a coat of Nuln Oil can do for a miniature:



as if I needed more confirmation that I didn't like their recent style...like night and day...jebus


this isn't GW's style though this is marvel.



Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 08:28:10


Post by: Vector Strike


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's amazing what a coat of Nuln Oil can do for a miniature:



Nah, the right one is too dark for Marvel


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 08:48:06


Post by: NH Gunsmith


Once that image is darkened up, it looks far better.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 09:01:30


Post by: AduroT


 Vector Strike wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's amazing what a coat of Nuln Oil can do for a miniature:



Nah, the right one is too dark for Marvel


You think Marvel is bright and cheery? When Hydra wiped a city off the map, and heroes were searching for survivors, it was the teen group who found the airport intact and got hopeful, only to discover the planes had been microwaved full of passengers. There were no survivors.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 09:08:35


Post by: Vermis


The 40K product has been covered in mud and blood and premade effects so now it's grimdark and therefore better.

Does... does anyone else see this?


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 10:13:26


Post by: H.B.M.C.


See what? That it looks like the 40K we're used to?


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 10:45:42


Post by: Albertorius


More likely, that photoshop doth covers many sins. There are much gakkier illustrators over there making a living just by obscuring the pencils with lots of gak.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 12:00:36


Post by: Crimson


 Vector Strike wrote:
40k comics? Nice

Ultraborings, though... meh

Basically this.



Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 13:05:02


Post by: Cataphract


Big Daddy Calgar Arriving To Wreck Thanos’ gak


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 13:29:00


Post by: warboss


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's amazing what a coat of Nuln Oil can do for a miniature:

Spoiler:


That is better but obviously can't fix the go go Gadget head.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 14:38:29


Post by: EnTyme


Whoever did that photoshop was so concerned with the dark they let it obscure the grim. A smoking-gaping chest wound sure seems "grimdark" to me, but you can barely see it with all the cheap filters applied to the second image. It looks like a coffee drinker threw up on the picture.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 14:45:25


Post by: Red Corsair


BrianDavion wrote:
 Roknar wrote:
Spoiler:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's amazing what a coat of Nuln Oil can do for a miniature:



as if I needed more confirmation that I didn't like their recent style...like night and day...jebus


this isn't GW's style though this is marvel.



They didn't specify whose style they were referring to did they.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 EnTyme wrote:
Whoever did that photoshop was so concerned with the dark they let it obscure the grim. A smoking-gaping chest wound sure seems "grimdark" to me, but you can barely see it with all the cheap filters applied to the second image. It looks like a coffee drinker threw up on the picture.


Boycott your coffee vendor immediately mate


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 17:06:45


Post by: Carnikang


Im not really concerned with the art until we see the inside.

Covers dont always portray the story within, and often, it's meant to grab the attention. Aren't they usually pretty bright and colorful, even for the dark stuff?

My only hope is that they don't retcon Marneus's most humiliating 'drawn and quartered via Swarmlord'. I want to see a nice full art page of it please.




Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 17:06:49


Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's amazing what a coat of Nuln Oil can do for a miniature:

Spoiler:

That's really funny because it's really accurate ^^.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 18:21:03


Post by: Vaktathi


Honestly, much as I prefer the photoshopped cover floating around, the actual Marvel cover doesn't strike me as all that bad, rather it looks very 2E. It doesn't look like it'd be out of place next to any of the covert art on any book from 2nd edition. For a comic book, that seems pretty spot on. There have been goofier 40k comic covers.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 18:37:31


Post by: Galas


The funny thing is that everything is primaris with the exception of the dreadnought.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 18:43:16


Post by: Vermis


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
See what? That it looks like the 40K we're used to?


That the direct comparison could be used as an example on a 1D4chan page; that it is what 40K is generally presented as, but also what makes it faintly ridiculous; that it looks like the cheap old 'night for day' effect from cinema; that it does looks like someone puked coffee or spilled nuln oil over it; that a superficial photoshop filter somehow makes the art good; that as Carnikang says, people are close to judging the book differently by a cover it doesn't even have, that isn't going to make any difference to how the contents suck, or on the offchance, how they don't.

Here's two codex covers, direct from GW, featuring the same thing as the comic cover:

Spoiler:




It's a question that's appropriate to comics: what makes the big shiny space marine in primary colours 'better' and 'more 40K' after someone wipes a used teabag over it?


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 18:52:48


Post by: BaconCatBug


People need to realise something when trying to claim 2nd edition style is fine.

40k was not popular in 2nd edition. I was basically a spin-off of WHFB in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE! It became a lot more popular post 3rd edition following the grimdarkening. 40k is popular BECAUSE it's grimdark.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 19:04:36


Post by: Vaktathi


 BaconCatBug wrote:
People need to realise something when trying to claim 2nd edition style is fine.

40k was not popular in 2nd edition. I was basically a spin-off of WHFB in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE! It became a lot more popular post 3rd edition following the grimdarkening. 40k is popular BECAUSE it's grimdark.
O_o

40k was already the dominant tabletop miniatures game & IP with plenty of popularity by the time 3E rolled around, with books, videogames, etc well established during 2E. Most of the art in both 2E and 3E was still done by the same people.

Likewise, there was plenty of Grimdark in RT and 2E stuff as well, and having goofy cartoony art doesn't prevent stuff from also being grimdark in its own way (e.g. the Heavy Metal movie that so much of 40k imagery is based on). Ascribing 40's popularity to "grimark" alone, and particularly only post 3E stuff, seems rather odd.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 19:10:29


Post by: privateer4hire


Will Marvel: Crisis Protocol have space marines?


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 19:40:01


Post by: Galas


 Vaktathi wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
People need to realise something when trying to claim 2nd edition style is fine.

40k was not popular in 2nd edition. I was basically a spin-off of WHFB in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE! It became a lot more popular post 3rd edition following the grimdarkening. 40k is popular BECAUSE it's grimdark.
O_o

40k was already the dominant tabletop miniatures game & IP with plenty of popularity by the time 3E rolled around, with books, videogames, etc well established during 2E. Most of the art in both 2E and 3E was still done by the same people.

Likewise, there was plenty of Grimdark in RT and 2E stuff as well, and having goofy cartoony art doesn't prevent stuff from also being grimdark in its own way (e.g. the Heavy Metal movie that so much of 40k imagery is based on). Ascribing 40's popularity to "grimark" alone, and particularly only post 3E stuff, seems rather odd.



Don't tell them. For many people the only good 40k is the flavour of it they enjoy most.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 19:54:35


Post by: EnTyme


 Vermis wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
See what? That it looks like the 40K we're used to?


That the direct comparison could be used as an example on a 1D4chan page; that it is what 40K is generally presented as, but also what makes it faintly ridiculous; that it looks like the cheap old 'night for day' effect from cinema; that it does looks like someone puked coffee or spilled nuln oil over it; that a superficial photoshop filter somehow makes the art good; that as Carnikang says, people are close to judging the book differently by a cover it doesn't even have, that isn't going to make any difference to how the contents suck, or on the offchance, how they don't.

Here's two codex covers, direct from GW, featuring the same thing as the comic cover:

Spoiler:




It's a question that's appropriate to comics: what makes the big shiny space marine in primary colours 'better' and 'more 40K' after someone wipes a used teabag over it?


They you for voicing my view of the situation in a way I couldn't quite put into words without resulting to insults. I kept trying to say pretty much exactly this, but every time I tried, it seemed like it would devolve into petty name calling, so I gave up trying to post it. Well done.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 20:07:55


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I have to admit, the photoshopped version looks...if not better, a lot more like Warhammer 40k than the original version to me. Warhammer will always look like the paintings of Blanche, Kopinski, Smith, England and Dainton, as far as I’m concerned. The modern era of GW art looks wrong, and so does this comic book cover. Not bad, just wrong for Warhammer 40k.



But also bad. The central focus of the illustration is the guy with the worst proportions and perspective errors.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 20:25:33


Post by: Grot 6


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I have to admit, the photoshopped version looks...if not better, a lot more like Warhammer 40k than the original version to me. Warhammer will always look like the paintings of Blanche, Kopinski, Smith, England and Dainton, as far as I’m concerned. The modern era of GW art looks wrong, and so does this comic book cover. Not bad, just wrong for Warhammer 40k.



But also bad. The central focus of the illustration is the guy with the worst proportions and perspective errors.


The art is honestly not up to the quality of GW's level, that's for sure. The photoshopped cuts, and the digital stuff is lazy looking...

What happened to Black Library's own comic book lines, anyway?

Why did they go to Marvel, again?


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 20:50:00


Post by: BrianDavion


 Grot 6 wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I have to admit, the photoshopped version looks...if not better, a lot more like Warhammer 40k than the original version to me. Warhammer will always look like the paintings of Blanche, Kopinski, Smith, England and Dainton, as far as I’m concerned. The modern era of GW art looks wrong, and so does this comic book cover. Not bad, just wrong for Warhammer 40k.



But also bad. The central focus of the illustration is the guy with the worst proportions and perspective errors.


The art is honestly not up to the quality of GW's level, that's for sure. The photoshopped cuts, and the digital stuff is lazy looking...

What happened to Black Library's own comic book lines, anyway?

Why did they go to Marvel, again?



I think people are forgetting something.

these comics proably aren't being made for us

if GW wanted to make comics for us they could continue to do small BL stuff etc. the marvel deal is an attempt to extend the reach of 40k, aiming at typical comic books fans, hence it uses tradtional 3 colour colours etc


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 20:52:06


Post by: JohnnyHell


 BaconCatBug wrote:
People need to realise something when trying to claim 2nd edition style is fine.

40k was not popular in 2nd edition. I was basically a spin-off of WHFB in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE! It became a lot more popular post 3rd edition following the grimdarkening. 40k is popular BECAUSE it's grimdark.


2nd wasn’t popular? What utter nonsense.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 21:07:22


Post by: warboss


 JohnnyHell wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
People need to realise something when trying to claim 2nd edition style is fine.

40k was not popular in 2nd edition. I was basically a spin-off of WHFB in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE! It became a lot more popular post 3rd edition following the grimdarkening. 40k is popular BECAUSE it's grimdark.


2nd wasn’t popular? What utter nonsense.


Was 3rd edition less popular (i.e. worse selling) in your area? That would be surprising if true. GW has never published to my knowledge sales figures of each edition but, judging from GW store openings and online interest, 3rd definitely exploded in popularity. I personally got into the game during that time as well and my local group expanded within a year or two from three guys who would meet to play at the FLGS every week or two to a dozen that had to be split into twice weekly 40k days due to space/table limitations. YMMV.

For a less personalized take on the question, here's a link to the poll set up on dakka years ago. The poll is obviously outdated as it is from almost 10 years ago but since we're talking about 20-30 year old editions the data is still relevant. Out of 1800+ respondants, 3rd edition brought in almost 60% more players than 2nd.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/299988.page


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 21:10:01


Post by: BaconCatBug


 JohnnyHell wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
People need to realise something when trying to claim 2nd edition style is fine.

40k was not popular in 2nd edition. I was basically a spin-off of WHFB in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE! It became a lot more popular post 3rd edition following the grimdarkening. 40k is popular BECAUSE it's grimdark.


2nd wasn’t popular? What utter nonsense.
It was the early 90s. Things like Dungeons and Dragons, 40k, and even PC gaming were not popular. I know it's hard to imagine a world where "nerd" interests were not mainstream, but I can assure you it did exist.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 21:10:28


Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl


 Vermis wrote:

It's a question that's appropriate to comics: what makes the big shiny space marine in primary colours 'better' and 'more 40K' after someone wipes a used teabag over it?

I don't know. If I did, I'd be a better artist. But I don't, so I keep using brown inks on my miniatures without having a clue why it makes them better looking in my eye.
No big deals, we can't all be good at this, my mini looks fine enough on a tabletop ^^.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 21:11:16


Post by: RaptorusRex


 warboss wrote:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
People need to realise something when trying to claim 2nd edition style is fine.

40k was not popular in 2nd edition. I was basically a spin-off of WHFB in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE! It became a lot more popular post 3rd edition following the grimdarkening. 40k is popular BECAUSE it's grimdark.


2nd wasn’t popular? What utter nonsense.


Was 3rd edition less popular (i.e. worse selling) in your area? That would be surprising if true. GW has never published to my knowledge sales figures of each edition but, judging from GW store openings and online interest, 3rd definitely exploded in popularity. I personally got into the game during that time as well and my local group expanded within a year or two from three guys who would meet to play at the FLGS every week or two to a dozen that had to be split into twice weekly 40k days due to space/table limitations. YMMV.


His assertion wasn't that 3rd was less popular, it was that 2nd was popular.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 21:12:07


Post by: Vaktathi


While I'd agree with the sentiment regarding newer 40k art in general looking like far too much was done on computers and will always be a Blanche/England/etc fan, I think people are focusing a wee bit too much on missing a layer of sepia wash on a comic book cover. Put this next to half the Eldar codex covers, the 2E box art, etc, I think it's fine, I think if anything it's flaw is in reproducing the Primaris models too faithfully and not making them a little bit cartoonier in proportions to fit the color style, but that may also be something GW insists on to use the IP.

A two second google search turns up a number of other 40k comic covers easily just as goofy or worse, even if not all quite as visually bright.

Spoiler:

The intern CG'd this in the last 5 minutes before printing!


Generic 80's fantasy cover pose!


Wolfguard with Wolfpelt and Wolfteeth Wolfstalking Obliviously


I think it's safe to say that this is not the worst expression of 40k's art.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
People need to realise something when trying to claim 2nd edition style is fine.

40k was not popular in 2nd edition. I was basically a spin-off of WHFB in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE! It became a lot more popular post 3rd edition following the grimdarkening. 40k is popular BECAUSE it's grimdark.


2nd wasn’t popular? What utter nonsense.
It was the early 90s. Things like Dungeons and Dragons, 40k, and even PC gaming were not popular. I know it's hard to imagine a world where "nerd" interests were not mainstream, but I can assure you it did exist.
If this is the line we're going with, and comparing it to RPG's and stuff like PC gaming, I think tying 40k's popularity to post-2E Grimdarkness is absolutely nonsensical, because 40k's popularity has tracked pretty well with these other things, and none have anything to do with being grimdark. 40k's popularity rose along in the same way scifi/fantasy pop culture in general did over the last 30 years. 40k has always had some level of cartooniness to it along with the grimdark, and I don't think the Marneus Calgar comic cover is out of place at all among the greater plethora of 40k art and IP.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 21:39:36


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Not talking about popularity, but 40k definitely had a strong visual identity. It always had...although it seems to have been watered down somewhat before the beginning of the primaris era.

Like it or not, the color palette was part of the visual identity (in representational 40k art).


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 22:50:37


Post by: Albertorius


 warboss wrote:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
People need to realise something when trying to claim 2nd edition style is fine.

40k was not popular in 2nd edition. I was basically a spin-off of WHFB in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE! It became a lot more popular post 3rd edition following the grimdarkening. 40k is popular BECAUSE it's grimdark.


2nd wasn’t popular? What utter nonsense.


Was 3rd edition less popular (i.e. worse selling) in your area? That would be surprising if true. GW has never published to my knowledge sales figures of each edition but, judging from GW store openings and online interest, 3rd definitely exploded in popularity. I personally got into the game during that time as well and my local group expanded within a year or two from three guys who would meet to play at the FLGS every week or two to a dozen that had to be split into twice weekly 40k days due to space/table limitations. YMMV.

For a less personalized take on the question, here's a link to the poll set up on dakka years ago. The poll is obviously outdated as it is from almost 10 years ago but since we're talking about 20-30 year old editions the data is still relevant. Out of 1800+ respondants, 3rd edition brought in almost 60% more players than 2nd.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/299988.page


Here in Spain it didn't really change much. 40k always played second fiddle to WFB. If anything, the advent of The Lord of the Rings made it even less popular.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 23:00:14


Post by: warboss


 Albertorius wrote:

Here in Spain it didn't really change much. 40k always played second fiddle to WFB. If anything, the advent of The Lord of the Rings made it even less popular.


Fair enough. Which edition did you start with btw? At least for me, locally, WFB was more popular until 40k 3rd and then the latter took over. LOTR gained a dedicated and passionate small fanbase that seemed equal parts primarily"home" gamers used to using more eclectic historical and fantasy fanbases and a portion of the store WFB regulars.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 23:09:25


Post by: Albertorius


 warboss wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:

Here in Spain it didn't really change much. 40k always played second fiddle to WFB. If anything, the advent of The Lord of the Rings made it even less popular.


Fair enough. Which edition did you start with btw? At least for me, locally, WFB was more popular until 40k 3rd and then the latter took over. LOTR gained a dedicated and passionate small fanbase that seemed equal parts primarily"home" gamers used to using more eclectic historical and fantasy fanbases and a portion of the store WFB regulars.

I started with WFB 3rd and Rogue Trader myself ^^

Over here 40k only really surpassed WFB when GW killed it.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/27 23:56:41


Post by: Galas


Yeah, Spain was a kind of an odd ball. Here WFB was always the biggest game of GW. Thats why they did even special edition miniatures of the Lustria Campaing for spain and everything.

But for one reason or the other they abandoned all continental europe.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/28 15:15:19


Post by: Platuan4th


 Grot 6 wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I have to admit, the photoshopped version looks...if not better, a lot more like Warhammer 40k than the original version to me. Warhammer will always look like the paintings of Blanche, Kopinski, Smith, England and Dainton, as far as I’m concerned. The modern era of GW art looks wrong, and so does this comic book cover. Not bad, just wrong for Warhammer 40k.



But also bad. The central focus of the illustration is the guy with the worst proportions and perspective errors.


The art is honestly not up to the quality of GW's level, that's for sure. The photoshopped cuts, and the digital stuff is lazy looking...

What happened to Black Library's own comic book lines, anyway?

Why did they go to Marvel, again?


By Black Library comics, do you mean the old Inferno and Warhammer Monthly stuff(90's-'05), the Boom! Studio licensed books('06-'14), or the Titan Comics licensed books('15- '19)?

They went with Marvel because it's a more mainstream brand.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/28 16:21:57


Post by: Arbitrator


 Grot 6 wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I have to admit, the photoshopped version looks...if not better, a lot more like Warhammer 40k than the original version to me. Warhammer will always look like the paintings of Blanche, Kopinski, Smith, England and Dainton, as far as I’m concerned. The modern era of GW art looks wrong, and so does this comic book cover. Not bad, just wrong for Warhammer 40k.



But also bad. The central focus of the illustration is the guy with the worst proportions and perspective errors.


The art is honestly not up to the quality of GW's level, that's for sure. The photoshopped cuts, and the digital stuff is lazy looking...

What happened to Black Library's own comic book lines, anyway?

Why did they go to Marvel, again?

Comics aren't very profitable, especially not these days. Marvel's comic department has been haemorrhaging money for years despite the MCU, arguably, making their brand as popular as it's ever been.

In GW's case it's more about brand awareness/advertising. Stick Marvel on the side and you've got an air of legitimacy about it that might tempt readers of comics to look up what this whole Warhammer malark is. Like how Warhammer Adventures is less about making money off the books and more providing another avenue for dads to awkwardly try and get their kids interested in their plastic addiction than dragging them to the local GW and pointing at colourful boxes.



Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/28 16:57:19


Post by: Albertorius


 Arbitrator wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I have to admit, the photoshopped version looks...if not better, a lot more like Warhammer 40k than the original version to me. Warhammer will always look like the paintings of Blanche, Kopinski, Smith, England and Dainton, as far as I’m concerned. The modern era of GW art looks wrong, and so does this comic book cover. Not bad, just wrong for Warhammer 40k.

But also bad. The central focus of the illustration is the guy with the worst proportions and perspective errors.


The art is honestly not up to the quality of GW's level, that's for sure. The photoshopped cuts, and the digital stuff is lazy looking...

What happened to Black Library's own comic book lines, anyway?

Why did they go to Marvel, again?

Comics aren't very profitable, especially not these days. Marvel's comic department has been haemorrhaging money for years despite the MCU, arguably, making their brand as popular as it's ever been.

In GW's case it's more about brand awareness/advertising. Stick Marvel on the side and you've got an air of legitimacy about it that might tempt readers of comics to look up what this whole Warhammer malark is. Like how Warhammer Adventures is less about making money off the books and more providing another avenue for dads to awkwardly try and get their kids interested in their plastic addiction than dragging them to the local GW and pointing at colourful boxes.



Interesting... care to share your sources? Because mine say that while single issues of printed comics has decreased by 20% in the last 20 years, comic book companies have tripled their market size through trade paperback sales, digital sales and increasing prices.

That would point to exactly the opposite of "not being very profitable".

https://www.quora.com/Are-comic-books-a-dying-medium-If-so-why

According to ComicChron, which has statistics going back to the 60s, since 1997 year-to-year sales of comics have more than doubled.

In 1997 the estimated size of the market was $300-320 million, today it is $780 million, and that doesn't count digital sales which are exploding. In 2014 digital sales were $540.38 million.

If you do the math that's $1.320 billion last year, which is four times what the comic industry was making nearly 20 years ago.

And they're talking about comic sales, there, mind. Not revenues from licensing.

That said, it is true that sales have gone down a bit since 2017.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/28 17:49:58


Post by: RaptorusRex


All the political gak aside, I'm looking forward to this. I might actually see if I can buy it in my local comic shop.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/28 18:30:57


Post by: warboss


 Albertorius wrote:
even though just the digital sales are almost twice all the comics market at the turn of the century. Ignore it is.


Where do you get the digital sales info? I'm not aware of anyone who publishes the information although admittedly I follow the subject peripherally.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/28 18:35:51


Post by: Albertorius


 warboss wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
even though just the digital sales are almost twice all the comics market at the turn of the century. Ignore it is.


Where do you get the digital sales info? I'm not aware of anyone who publishes the information although admittedly I follow the subject peripherally.


All sales data is coming from Comichron, both physical and digital.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/28 18:44:54


Post by: warboss


 Albertorius wrote:
 warboss wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
even though just the digital sales are almost twice all the comics market at the turn of the century. Ignore it is.


Where do you get the digital sales info? I'm not aware of anyone who publishes the information although admittedly I follow the subject peripherally.


All sales data is coming from Comichron, both physical and digital.


I wasn't aware that they published monthly data on digital. I've only seen that referenced in year reviews in passing. Are the exact sales figures per issue behind a paywall or did I miss it?


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/28 18:50:45


Post by: Albertorius


 warboss wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 warboss wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
even though just the digital sales are almost twice all the comics market at the turn of the century. Ignore it is.


Where do you get the digital sales info? I'm not aware of anyone who publishes the information although admittedly I follow the subject peripherally.


All sales data is coming from Comichron, both physical and digital.


I wasn't aware that they published monthly data on digital. I've only seen that referenced in year reviews in passing. Are the exact sales figures per issue behind a paywall or did I miss it?


Most come from ICV, so I don't think so, but digital sales seem to include all digital sources (meaning it's not only digital comics but Amazon and stuff, I think).

That said, that's only US sales. The rest of the world also buys comics


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/28 18:59:54


Post by: Kanluwen


Biggest problem there is that you're assuming it was "for a quick buck and as a middle finger to their fanbases".

I'm only peripherally into comics(most of my purchases are trades or the "Klaus" stories from Boom! comics), but even I was aware that what you were describing was part of a built-up arc.

Hell, the Thor stuff is supposed to be part of the next movie if I remember right. It wasn't just "ermahgerdladythor!" or "ermahgerdladyironman!". They were different characters, effectively, taking up the mantles of heroes that existed.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/28 19:09:01


Post by: Vaktathi


Hey all, lets keep the topic on Marvel and Marneus Calgar, I've removed a whole bunch of politics/identity posts & responses that really have nothing to do with Calgar's story being told by Marvel. It also really doesn't help when people drop controversial language and bunch of links and then say "oh don't respond to this"


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/28 19:28:23


Post by: Kayback


Art styles aside I'm about burned out on HH and other novels. I wouldn't mind some literal mind candy to rot my brain with, even if the demographic they are shooting for is the YA group. I've probably read worse.



Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/28 21:43:52


Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl


 Albertorius wrote:
That said, that's only US sales. The rest of the world also buys comics

I'm curious about how this reflect on US comic books though. I may be biased, because my country is apparently the second biggest consumer of manga (the first being, of course, Japan), but here it's Manga >> Franco-Belgian bande dessinée >>> Comics.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/28 22:09:02


Post by: BaconCatBug


 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
That said, that's only US sales. The rest of the world also buys comics

I'm curious about how this reflect on US comic books though. I may be biased, because my country is apparently the second biggest consumer of manga (the first being, of course, Japan), but here it's Manga >> Franco-Belgian bande dessinée >>> Comics.
France is a bigger comic market than either the US or Japan. However France's comic industry leans more heavily towards adult/young adult Fantasy and Sci-Fi rather than children's superhero comics.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/28 23:27:06


Post by: Albertorius


 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
That said, that's only US sales. The rest of the world also buys comics

I'm curious about how this reflect on US comic books though. I may be biased, because my country is apparently the second biggest consumer of manga (the first being, of course, Japan), but here it's Manga >> Franco-Belgian bande dessinée >>> Comics.


Here manga is really big too, but I feel that in general we're a bit more eclectic: we read everything and anything.


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/29 09:05:59


Post by: Danny76


I think there’s a huge split here between comic fans who are more accepting of styles and looks, knowing from many comic lines what things look like, and then 40k fans who don’t (as much or at all) delve into the comic world).

Then people riling for no reason, with the will they be in mcu, or marvel games etc (which is all irrelevant as this is marvels comic arm, no deal with any other part of marvel (or should we say Disney) at all).
If there were we would see those shows being produced by one of Disney’s arms.

Potentially, particularly to those in industries of media, they know that the big things are coming in the film and tv, cartoons, and big promotion for 40k to mainstream.
They want to get the comic line in now as popularity will soar, and if they already have the comics, and several released, it would see a big surge in sales there too..


Marvel and GW present - Marneus Calgar @ 2020/06/29 12:23:17


Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl


 BaconCatBug wrote:
France is a bigger comic market than either the US or Japan. However France's comic industry leans more heavily towards adult/young adult Fantasy and Sci-Fi rather than children's superhero comics.

In your analysis, do you make the distinction between comics, bande dessinées and manga? It's really considered differently here, and things that are staples of the US comic book industry just don't translate over to bande dessinées. The usual bande dessinée is released directly as a hardback, with a creator-owned IP, and no shared universe. This makes for something very different from the shared-universe, corporate owned IP of comics. As far as I know, manga is somewhat in between comics and bande dessinée in this regard. They have less shared universe than comics, and series usually don't get multiple writers and illustrators, but they have a more serial release style, and a bit more corporate control over how a series develop than bande dessinée.