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Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/07/16 13:55:17


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Dungeons & Lasers Second Edition Live

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/dungeons-and-lasers-second-edition









-The 2nd campaign will offer products from the 1st campaign as well (called Legacy Products) with an option for shipping within a month from the end of 2nd ed Kickstarter. So ultra-fast, in the scale of Kickstarter, delivery.

- 6 YES! that's 6 Dragons as a single pack or to buy individually, or as a free stretch goal with your terrain pledge! Please give us feedback in the questionnaire about prices! Link to the questionnaire at the bottom of the update.


Here are 4 dragons out of 6! and yes that DnD miniature is in scale (28mm). More pictures below.
Currently, we have only planned to make fantasy themed dragons! Please convince us in the comments to make one in a Sci-Fi theme (please! I need good arguments to convince the boss!)

-optional half-walls - we are making, as we speak (see video), 1st test tool for half-walls, this was requested by you in the post-KS questionnaire. Half-walls will be an OPTIONAL buy (or selected in the pledge manager instead of 50mm ones, we are still working on it). Cost of it - as it will be optional we will make it as close to manufacturing costs as legally possible!

- as requested, we will be also making a large tool with end-half-clips, available to purchase for manufacturing cost / or will be part of a stretch goal, no only that we have some ideas for clips supporting next tier (more to come in next updates), this option will allow you to build easily several dungeon levels.

- 3 more themes, 2 fantasy Dwarven Mine, Cursed Cathedral, and Temple of the Operators. )and POSSIBLY MORE?








- All new stretch goals! We are aiming to DOUBLE the number of stretch goals to 1st DnL Kickstarter! Yes, twice more!



- Pre-launch Stretch goals! : For the first time, we are introducing Pre-Launch Stretch Goals. The more folks subscribe to our Pre-Page on Kickstarter, LINK: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/dungeons-and-lasers-second-edition the more free items we are adding to the pledges! Head on to our KS page and click "subscribe"! Make sure your friends know about and share the link: archon-studio.com/dnl2



We want to make as the best deal for backers as possible, thus, we need your feedback and support about DnL 2.0 here is the link to the new questionnaire:

https://archon-studio.com/content/dungeons-lasers-second-edition-early-survey

You will find more information on our blog here: https://archon-studio.com/blog/dungeons-lasers-second-edition




they did the rapid delivery of existing stuff for their previous terrain KS and it worked well, and came in on time, and their plastic is pretty good so if you like the look of it well worth considering

also do sign up for KS notification as that's going to help backers get more stuff!



Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/07/16 19:54:48


Post by: Vermis


That's an interesting dragon. A bit 90s comic-book for my tastes, but what dragons aren't these days?

TBH I'd contribute just for the faerie dragon.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/07/16 22:43:00


Post by: Alpharius


Archon Studios - they all up to date and everything on...everything?


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/07/16 23:58:30


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Pretty much (at least the stuff i'm following), the previous Dungeons & Lasers is shipping it's final stuff,

(covid regulations permitting, some countries aren't accepting post, and others like the US there's a limit on how many packages they can send)

Ramparts part 2 shipped all the prexisting stuff on time, and almost all the new stuff is tooled & in production except the tank which is up next

so they're more on time than most KS projects for those


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/07/17 02:25:42


Post by: cainex1


I can attest to the plastic quality and the speedy delivery.
They're on top of their game and they even stepped up to help with some mask and face shield stuff for their first responders. I would back this but I don't need walkways, I need buildings and interiors (so I can account for the Rampart line being amazing value for the money)


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/07/17 09:04:15


Post by: lord_blackfang


They've really turned the ship around. I consider Archon 100% reliable at this time (but I don't mean to in any way demean or deny awful experiences people have had in the AvP era).

If I needed dungeon tiles I'd throw hundreds of bucks at this without any fear.As is, I'll get some dragons if they're around 30€ and hopefully the scatter terrain if it will be available independently of the tiles.




Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/07/25 18:23:37


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


The other two dragons



and

https://www.facebook.com/dungeonsandlasers/videos/1189744221424247/?t=8
(facebook video rather than static image unfortunately)


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beasts of war also talk about and show some stuff from the first KS (which will be available again) this week


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/07/31 12:26:46


Post by: DaveC


You'd think with their past issues with AVP they wouldn't be trying to remind people of that!

That said I haven't had any issues with Archon's own stuff and backed both Rampart KS, I think their terrain is good I'm not a fan of their artistic style for their minis but that's just my tastes.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/07/31 12:47:33


Post by: Overread


Dear gods I do kinda really want that xenodragon!


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/07/31 14:45:39


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


That Xenodragon is pretty cool, I gotta admit.

Plus they're all going to be hard plastic kits. Curious as to what the pricing will be like.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/01 10:37:24


Post by: kestral


The dwarven mine hits my Dungeon Aesthetic pretty well. Might go all in in on this one.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/01 20:59:25


Post by: Ernster


I hope the prices are good. My son saw the Xenodragon and that is now a must have!


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/01 21:15:11


Post by: ced1106


Good to hear about Archon, since its AvP and LOAD days.

I have the Secret Weapon MIniatures Dungeonscape tiles and prefer them, because they're "chunkier" like rocks. The mines remind me too much of a Disneyland dark ride.

That said, I'm looking for town building walls, and I think the wall design would work well. So, if they add them to the KS, please post!


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/01 22:35:18


Post by: JoeRugby


Xenodragon Is very cool will make me consider this KS which given their treatment of me as an AVP backer is saying something


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/01 23:27:16


Post by: Ernster


I do hope they rethink the base size as the Dragons look top heavy.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/02 15:41:38


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I doubt it, since they're doing them as sculpted bases on the same sprue making them bigger would mean redesigning the dragons or adding another sprue

but it's easy enough to put them on a blank base if you think they need a larger one


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/02 23:05:44


Post by: lord_blackfang


Tail looks bad on xeno, too long and not tapered at all.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/04 05:48:16


Post by: Stormonu


The xeno dragon and its tail has a very Alien 3 profile from the side. Looks good from that angle, but not so great from others. Overall, I love it and it may be the only dragon for me that I pick up.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/05 07:48:23


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Those tiles are tempting.

Anyone have pictures 'in the wild' of the first set?


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/05 14:52:03


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Warren from beasts of war is playing around with them, there's other stuff in there too but a lot is the original dungeons and lasers stuff













Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/05 14:56:37


Post by: DaveC


And Artis Opus did a painting video yesterday




Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/05 16:51:02


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Thanks, that is a really rave review and they do look good.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/05 17:29:58


Post by: Stormonu


I bought the sci-fi sets (I have a ton of dwarven forge, so didn't need the fantasy), and they're fairly good. I haven't had a chance to paint them yet (cutting them out and priming only so far), except for this test piece:



Though, this is what the scifi somewhat looks like put together (floor has been primed silver, walls primed white - for use eventually in the Aliens RPG)

Warning! Large size images for detail
Spoiler:







Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/06 20:59:20


Post by: Grot 6


LMAO!!!!


Looks like they finally got around to finishing the AVP project... cha cha cha ( Snaredrum!)


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/13 10:19:29


Post by: DaveC


BlackMagicCraft unboxing video (first KS releases)




Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/13 12:20:16


Post by: Suhcer


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
That Xenodragon is pretty cool, I gotta admit.

Plus they're all going to be hard plastic kits. Curious as to what the pricing will be like.


From their Dungeon & Lasers KS update #31

1. Each dragon will be priced at 35 USD

2. Additionally to the terrain pledges, we will have one just for the Dragons, that's 6 dragons for 119 USD, that's about 19.84 USD per Dragon). One of them will be Xenodragon (being sculpted as we speak!).

3. You will be able to select one free dragon with each terrain pledge of 99USD and above.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/25 14:29:39


Post by: ced1106


Gonna admit I'm still not a fan of Archon / Prodos for LOAD and AvP, but they have a track record for their recent terrain KS. (They finally settled with AvP backers with a credit).

Didn't pledge for CMON's KS, so have some money to burn.

Also, looks like they're offering previously released tile sets, including a generic dungeon core set and specialized fantasy rooms.

Different pledge levels act as bundles.





Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/25 17:34:06


Post by: lord_blackfang


I'm in for the dragon 6-pack baby. $20 a pop for 6" tall HIPS dragons oooh yeah.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/26 03:01:25


Post by: ced1106


Sonavgun. I just checked out the dragons video, and (at least one of) the dragons comes with FIRE. As in, you can mount the dragon breathing fire and stuffs.

Myself, I think I'll take the FIRE and base it as a spell effect. I liked the spell effects by Reaper and WizKids, but found them on the expensive side. The dragons aren't cheap, but they come with free FIRE.






Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/26 07:26:36


Post by: lord_blackfang


They said in the comments that some but not all of them have the fire option (depending on spare sprue space probably).


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/26 08:39:34


Post by: ced1106


Good to know.

In one day, already made more than half of the funding as DL1, and half as many backers.
DL2: 260K on day one with 2K backers
DL1: 445K with 4K backers at end

5-dragon add-on for $90 puts the dragons at *less* than $20 each. $120 pledge has six dragons plus $20 SG's.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/26 12:17:04


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Looking at their site it seems the only way to get the tiles is KS, is the prior KS available anywhere?


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/26 14:25:01


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


They're advising people who just want first KS stuff to get it direct from their website in the KS comments so it should be available there

but it doesn't seem to be at the moment for some reason? I've asked in the comments


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/26 19:13:14


Post by: Stormonu


They just finished delivering the 1st Dungeons & Lasers, so that may be why ordering the first KS stuff isn't directly available at the moment.

They appear to do all their fulfillment through "late pledges" via Gamefound (that's how I got the Rampart stuff without being on the Kickstarter), so you may be able to order it direct in there (when available again).


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/26 23:29:14


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Since it's come up in the comments several times

The Dragon of Schmargonrog is a licenced property so that's why it's more expensive and can only be taken as part of the Dragon Slayer pledge or as an add on (and not part of the Dragon's Lair bundle

Which, come to think of it, means that if you love the sculpt better get it now as there's no indication of how long the licence is for (this KS, a year, forever?)


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/27 07:01:33


Post by: lord_blackfang


Eh, I like it, but not enough to pay almost double than the rest. The looks and fluff are suspiciously like a KoW Jabberwockey tho.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/27 08:47:28


Post by: ced1106


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
The Dragon of Schmargonrog is a licenced property so that's why it's more expensive and can only be taken as part of the Dragon Slayer pledge or as an add on (and not part of the Dragon's Lair bundle.


From the comments:

> I love that you have started cooperation with VLDL, Dragon of Schmargonrog is great, but are there plans to get some more characters from Epic NPC Man universe like Garlic Sealer or Bealin?

> Yes

Not familiar with Viva La Dirt League, so here's their FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/vivaladirtleague/?pageid=176270319137347&ftentidentifier=2973045369459814&padding=0


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/27 11:30:54


Post by: Orlanth


I late backed Dungeons and Lasers one, via Gamefound, which I heard about via Rampart, which I backed for real.

I made two orders each of two $99 sets which arrived promptly with all the stretch goals I would have got had I paid in in the campaign.

As I went back and doubled my order it should be no surprise that I highly recommend this product. Warlock tile system is pre-painted and good quality, but it arrived at just the wrong time, THIS is the product to support for your adventuring tile needs. Two thumbs up.

Why is this thread wide, neither page will wrap. Anyone else got that issue?


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/27 12:25:01


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


It's wide for me to, but so are most of them since the recent font changes


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/27 16:14:38


Post by: lord_blackfang


I wasn't in the last campaign but I backed both Rampart kickstarters, first one delivered perfectly, second one should be shipping soon.

I'm here for the dragons, will probably throw in the $20 for stretch goals from the previous campaign, small scatter like furniture is always nice to have.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/27 19:27:40


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I’m wondering if I should piggyback on someone else.’s pledge for the Xenodragon. Will these ever make it to local retailers?


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/27 19:40:52


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I think it's unlikely to hit local retail (unless your retailer wants to deal direct),

but it should be available from their website afterwards, so the it's going to be a question of shipping, if you can find somebody local to you who's backing that seems the best move (as with the change in shipping costs to the USA recently you'd probably have to pay almost as much as the dragon to get it shipped from a UK/EU backer)

(even better if they the want several dragons and you can talk them into getting the 6 pack which makes them all cheaper)


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/27 20:10:13


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Hmmm. I doubt I can fine anyone willing to get the six pack and then give up the coolest dragon in it. I suppose I will wait and see what the late backing options are like.



Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/27 20:49:39


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


You can choose which 6 dragons to get in the pack (excluding the Schmarrr whatever one),

so you could both get the Xenodragon


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/27 21:02:42


Post by: ced1106


Beasts of War has a good overview of the kit, including what it will look like painted "in a day".

At 5:51, you can see the sprue with the Legacy SG's add-on.

14:50 (or 24:20) has the painting tutorial. I'd probably just do grey primer then Secret Weapon Miniature's Stone wash.

40:23 shows wall details, such as candles, for the Warlock Room door tile.




Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/27 21:45:29


Post by: Stormonu


I think I’ll pick up the Xeno dragon, but not much from this KS otherwise is something I need (got a couple metric tons of DF from years ago when it was affordable).


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/08/28 18:34:19


Post by: Orlanth


 ced1106 wrote:
Sonavgun. I just checked out the dragons video, and (at least one of) the dragons comes with FIRE. As in, you can mount the dragon breathing fire and stuffs.

Myself, I think I'll take the FIRE and base it as a spell effect. I liked the spell effects by Reaper and WizKids, but found them on the expensive side. The dragons aren't cheap, but they come with free FIRE.




If you want 'free' fire buy a Burning Chariot of Tzeentch, which is also in the current Getting Started Daemons of Tzeentch boxset. It has a flameburst for you to use on the model or leave off.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Burning-Chariot-of-Tzeentch


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/02 07:36:27


Post by: ced1106


The campaign has a habit of updating the home page without telling us.

The "Functional Doors" graphic has been updated, and the renders look great! Six different designs.






Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/04 08:04:38


Post by: ced1106


Add-ons graphics updated. More add-ons and you can actually see the contents of the $20 Legacy SG.

Legacy SG add-on looks good if you want fantasy and sf terrain for your 3D and 2D boards. I'm seeing two fantasy stairs and a sf stair.

Current SG has two bridges, one a fantasy stone bridge, and the other sf TBA.



Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/04 09:20:43


Post by: Illumini


Anybody know if this is compatible with their Rampart terrain, guessing not?


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/04 09:35:17


Post by: lord_blackfang


 Illumini wrote:
Anybody know if this is compatible with their Rampart terrain, guessing not?


I don't think the walls are compatible in any meaningful way..

However, the plug holes are the same, so L&D wall ornaments will plug into Rampart. Nice for me as I have loads of Rampart but I'm only getting the Dragons here, and my SG will not go to waste.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/04 13:29:32


Post by: ced1106


Some backers are asking for clips, etc. to make D&L compatible with Rampart. If you haven't backed the KS, definitely write them through KS messaging a request for compatibility in a future KS.

I still can't quite see how you'd use Rampart and D&L together, since Rampart is basically freestanding walls, but I probably just overlooked something.

I'm picking up the Cursed Cathedral for ad hoc low-budget wargaming terrain. Not as good as Rampart, though.



Concept art from update : https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/dungeons-and-lasers-second-edition/posts/2946477









Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/05 08:04:44


Post by: lord_blackfang


600k with 3 days to go, 1M stretch goal is an extra free dragon for everyone that will be a new sculpt, public vote between asian dragon or (dragon sized) cockatrice.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/07 08:53:56


Post by: lord_blackfang


The stretch goals are absolutely insane on this one, we are getting whole room sets of furniture now. Keep in mind that additional stretch goal packs are just $20 for like a hundred different bitz (not even counting connector clips or multiples of the same wall plug) including whole staircases, statues, etc. and a goshdarn dalek.

ced1106 two posts above is editing to include the latest stuff, check it out


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/07 11:33:31


Post by: DaveC


OTT (BoW) Heroquest build - takes 5 core sets (sort of they used over 50 new sample sprues)




Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/07 12:31:37


Post by: lord_blackfang


For an idea of cost, a core set is valued at $40, obviously bigger pledges get discounts (EDIT: Actually if you just want to max out floors and walls you're better off just adding a bunch of the $40 sets, all the pledges have a big focus on themed rooms with significantly fewer components)


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/07 16:20:49


Post by: ced1106


Archon really needs to do builds for Zombicide: Black Plague and Massive Darkness. One 3"x3" board space = one 2"x2" game tile.

HQ is a tough build because D&L follows the 2x2 game tile standard that Dwarven Forge originated. So if you use one 1x1 board space = one 1"x1" game tile, then you have a lot of modding to do.

If you see HQ DF builds, they use one 1x1 board space = one 2"x2" game tile. That's a lot of tiles, but DF owners usually own hundreds of DF tiles, anyway. In the spoiler, you can see how they made a 3x3 room with 3x3 game tiles.

Of course, while the video shows a HQ board, you don't play with the entire board, so you would, in theory, need fewer sets.

Some of us are asking for 1"x1" game tiles in D&L3, which would make odd-square rooms and corridors much easier to build.

You can sorta build 1" corridors and odd-inch rooms in D&L by inserting walls 90 degrees in the holes, but it's puzzly.

I'm also backing the Rampage game tiles, which do have 1" tiles, so don't need to be modded.

Spoiler:


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/08 13:33:57


Post by: Overread


Counting down now - last 7 hours or so before its all over!

Currently at $844,000 so I'm guessing they won't make it to the $1Million stretch goal. Might get closer and could pull a surprise, but 7hours isn't that long.

That said they might do an early unlock of the stretch goal and hope to make up the difference in the pledge manager where they get all the money direct (no KS sum taken out).


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/08 14:20:58


Post by: lord_blackfang


I hope we make it to 900k for the medieval torture room at least. Not too fussed about the 950k SG.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/08 16:40:49


Post by: DaveC


Hmmm I figured out 3 core sets will make the new Warcry Catacombs board although you need to be creative at the sides as the side rooms are 5 squares wide. Very tempted to make that board.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/08 17:55:53


Post by: lord_blackfang


And in the nick of time, the Rampart tank is unveiled in its full glory, to give an idea of what Archon is capable of



Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/08 19:52:59


Post by: timd


A bit confused about the stretch goals. Do You get ALL of them with either a fantasy or Sci-Fi-fi pledge, or just the appropriate items to your fantasy or sci-fi fi pledge?

Looks like everything except for the bridges come with either pledge?


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/08 20:17:55


Post by: Maledrakh


It says that you get all of the strech goal rewards in the picture with a pledge of $99 or more.

I read this as it does not matter what mix of bits you choose, as long as the amount is $99 or more.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/08 20:25:16


Post by: timd


 Maledrakh wrote:
It says that you get all of the strech goal rewards in the picture with a pledge of $99 or more.

I read this as it does not matter what mix of bits you choose, as long as the amount is $99 or more.


Yeah, now I see the "Fantasy and Sci-Fi Stretch Goals" box in the add ons.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/08 20:35:47


Post by: lord_blackfang


You get everything including bridges.

Note that each bridge is valued at $10 and you get both in the SG package that is valued at $20. Really if you need any extra pieces getting whole SG sets is the best way to go. In D&L 1 it ended up being 4 full sized sprues crammed with bitz plus 2 small sprues for the stairs. I'd say we're looking at at least twice that much material this time. 8-10 sprues for $20!


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1myWbwRVQ0

Unboxing D&L 1. Stretch goals box at 7:45


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/08 21:08:14


Post by: Overread


And done! $981,103 raised! Very close to that 1Mill goal and honestly if they'd remained open a few more hours chance are they might have made it.

Now just got to wait for dragons to appear!


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/08 21:28:49


Post by: ced1106


Latest update gives $99+ pledgers the free dragon (even though the $1M was not reached), and a bonus He-Man parody mini for filling out the feedback form.

Archon's next KS will be a He-Man boardgame. However, I heard they only had EU rights, and CMON had USA, or something like that. We'll see.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/dungeons-and-lasers-second-edition/posts/2946213






Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/08 21:30:04


Post by: lord_blackfang


Archon will honour the 1 mil stretch goal anyway, free asian dragon for everyone!

Now I wait for the PM... to add even more stretch goal packs!

Not super excited about the board game. I'd totally get 28mm Masters of the Universe minis as a lark, but not at the price of a full board game I'll never play.

Hoping for Rampart 3 after that. Free standing buildings are more my thing than dungeon corridors.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/24 13:18:00


Post by: DaveC


PM is live for backers and late backers

https://gamefound.com/projects/archon-studio/dungeons--lasers-second-edition#/

Rapid Delivery is $13 per order regardless of what's in the order for example multiple dungeon masters.

The Dragons default to the first one for all picks so make sure you update each one separately of you'll get 6 of the same (or however many).

Shipping cost me $20 for 2 Dungeon Master and 2 Core Sets (plus $13 for rapid shipping).

They showed the not quite $1 million dragon last update. Mixed responses about the pose but it has to fit a 50mm base like the others.



Spoiler:




Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/09/24 14:08:08


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Don't worry when the early backer Jerry the gello or the survey Derek the minion minis don't show on your order

they'll be added later by archon if you qualify for them

(you can buy extra copies of Jerry in the add ons section too)


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/10/06 11:14:00


Post by: DaveC


Got my shipping notification for rapid delivery items


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/10/18 16:37:35


Post by: Tyr13


Rapid delivery items are starting to arrive now, good stuff. Quest for Eternity or two Dungeonmaster pledges easily cover your average table. And late pledges are still available, in case anyone wants to join in.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/10/21 10:20:57


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured




All the digital sculpting work is now apparently done incuding these which I now kind of want to add to my pledge


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/10/21 10:37:30


Post by: lord_blackfang


Well that's pretty great, isn't it?

I'm thinking 4x current SG and 2x legacy SG should do me good


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/10/21 10:46:58


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Are there any ways to obtain those accessory pieces without buying everything else?


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/10/21 11:29:40


Post by: lord_blackfang


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Are there any ways to obtain those accessory pieces without buying everything else?


Pretty sure you can late pledge for just the $20 stretch goal packs.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/10/23 03:47:04


Post by: ced1106


I dunno if they're individually worth it after shipping, although you could always wait for D&L3.

I'm putting together the Legacy SG sprue, and I'm iffy on the the plastic. It's easily cut, but that also means you have to be quite careful cutting the miniature off the sprue or part of the miniature will break off it. I did the "cut a bit off the sprue when cutting the miniature off the sprue" but still tore part of a miniature off.

The fantasy dungeon stairs comes in three pieces. The tabs needed to be further cut with the sprue cutter. Parts of the stairs came off when I tried removing it from the sprue, so be careful. There's also a seam in the middle of the stairs, so I'd need to greenstuff it, anyway. And, despite the stairs themselves being molded as two halves, I'm still seeing mold lines on the stairs.

Not a dealbreaker, because this is one of the more complicated pieces, and stairs from other companies are otherwise $5 or so each. You already get two fantasy, two sf, and one generic in this set.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/11/19 20:09:17


Post by: Stormonu


Second KS didn't catch my eye, but I think this new one may be the one for me!


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2020/11/20 23:09:10


Post by: ced1106


Update has more on Woodhaven. Kinda early, since D&L3 isn't supposed to start until D&L2 has finished shipping?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/dungeons-and-lasers-second-edition/posts/3021881

D&L2 project progress


Ooo... castles, too!


Village bits.


Streets!


Dragon food.


Rural, blacksmith, mill with Dutch windy thingie concept pics in link.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/01/12 14:00:19


Post by: DaveC


Shipping moving up to March from August as they are ahead of target on production. PM closes 8th of February as a result.

D&L 3 preview

Wood haven has potential but still needs work on the corner joins and the stone work has a lego feel to it at the moment.





Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/01/12 14:26:09


Post by: Hanskrampf


I agree on the stone walls. The Tudor style tower looks pretty good though.

Also: the miniatures look like "true" 28mm and might be very small for today's miniatures, where 28 heroic or even 32mm are pretty much the default.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/01/12 16:05:48


Post by: lord_blackfang


Odd to do free-standing houses in D&L system instead of Rampart system.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/01/13 10:55:11


Post by: Illumini


 lord_blackfang wrote:
Odd to do free-standing houses in D&L system instead of Rampart system.


Agreed, it looks pretty terrible, very toy-like. Would be easier to make good designs with rampart-type systems IMO


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/01/13 11:01:53


Post by: ced1106


I'm not seeing anything Rampart that's fantasy, though. D&L3 terrain can be used with D&L2, such as the stone walls.

Houses won't be free-standing with cities. They'll be connected to other buildings and roads.

I don't get the "stubs" on the bottom of the buildings, though. Here's an earlier preview:

EDIT: *hits forhead* Forgot how floors work.



Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/01/13 13:04:30


Post by: DaveC


The stubs have to be there to give the walls something to sit into if they are going to follow the D&L design the walls sit over half of one floor tile and half of another floor tile with a hole for the wall support between and clip underneath connecting both floor tiles its not a great design for full buildings where there is no second floor tile to hide the half clip edge but they are stuck with it now. You could work around it with some basing material or just use plasti strips instead to hide it. There are going to be design compromises some can be worked around some not so much it depends how much effort you want to put in.

They seem to using D&L as the basis rather than Rampart as a lot of the wall and floor tiles already exist in that format unlike Rampart which has poor IMO floor designs that don’t lend themselves to intact buildings.

I like the Tudor tiles the stone work isn’t great and needs better texture but the wall tiles from D&L 1&2 will work anyway and will make better lower floor walls although other designs might work better this just a very small sample and speaking of which D&L 2 backers will get a sample woodhaven sprue with their delivery.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/01/13 13:10:54


Post by: Overread


Is this the start of the 2021 effect? A model KS shipping months earlier than planned when normally its the other way around ?


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/02/04 15:04:22


Post by: DaveC


From today's Woodhaven Q&A

KS Q2 2021

- Ogre, Troll, Ratfolk and Goblins in stretch goal plans
- Miniature scale 28mm - they did not define this further
- Children minis along with the Townsfolk already shown
- Concept shown for a dock
- Other architectural styles Elven etc. only if they get massive funding
- Prices - similar to previous KS
- Roof, walls and floors may be available separately if possible (for those that already have a lot of D&L1 & 2)
- D&L 1 and 2 available as add ons
- Fences, Low stone walls and Graveyard walls.
- No Sci-Fi different project planned later
- Stables possibly as a stretch goal combining some new and existing parts
- Sewers - Floors maybe be cast in translucent green plastic
- Castle option available not shown
- Market place - lots of scatter terrain
- Cobbled street tiles with side drains
- New Blacksmiths forge - human design as oppsoed to the Dwarven design of D&L 2
- Balconies for buildings
- Damaged buildings possible as later SG but not initially
- Giant possible as a SG
- No trees, foliage, plants to hard to do in HIPS
- Also difficult to add texture to the flat thin sides of the tiles
- Jail - Hybrid kit a few doors with bars to add to existing kits
- No boats or ships





Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/02/04 15:13:16


Post by: Hanskrampf


Artwork is nice enough, the kids are a good addition, nice scatter... remains to be seen if the buildings look more like the shown Fachwerk tower (good) or the shown stone walls (bad).
Also not sold on this "28mm"... if it's true 28mm, not sure I'm gonna get the townsfolk. They looked tiny in the renders.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/02/04 15:25:54


Post by: lord_blackfang


It's a testament to Prodos that I'm pretty excited for this despite having a 3d printer and absolutely no use for another generic medieval village.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/02/04 19:12:11


Post by: ced1106


Well, this is gonna take away all my money.

Thanks for the info, Dave!


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/02/06 18:54:24


Post by: Overread


REMINDER that the Pledge Manager closes on the 8th of this month - that's Monday.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/02/07 09:49:15


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Interested but not Kick Starter interested. Is there any plan for the first Dungeons and Lasers to go retail?


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/02/07 10:36:13


Post by: DaveC


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Interested but not Kick Starter interested. Is there any plan for the first Dungeons and Lasers to go retail?


They keep saying eventually but it's only being offered as an add on to the new KS so far and with D&L 3 coming up that may continue for awhile. Best option for now is to stick $1 into the D&L3 KS to get access to the PM then buy whatever you want that's already made and they'll ship it about 2 weeks after the PM closes as it's already made.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/02/15 09:44:06


Post by: Stormonu


I don't think you even have to put anything on the KS. Just go to Gamefound and I think you can order from there (Last I looked, if you went to Archon's "store", it redirected to Gamenfound for ordering).


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/09 19:05:15


Post by: ced1106


I just missed the live stream for D&L3. Anything of interest?

Add yourself to the KS "Notify Me" to unlock some pre-launch SG's!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/dungeons-and-lasers-third-edition

I really hope they redesign those stairs. They were a nightmare to assemble and get rid of the seam!

Otherwise, if you're looking for village accessories, they should be good and inexpensive. Even if you pass on the walls and floors, you can buy the SG's as an add-on.

You can also pick up previous D&L sets and SG's. You can select additional shipping for them to send previous stuff sooner.



Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/09 19:49:16


Post by: DaveC


You can rewatch the live stream here

D&L 3 Livestream VOD

They've redesigned the stairs so they can reach half levels now as well - both stone and wood versions 27 minutes in.

They've also redesigned the castle crenellations so they look more realistic and less lego like. Skip to around 47 minutes to see a test building (made with older designs).


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/09 19:49:46


Post by: lord_blackfang


D&L2 had something stupid like 10 sprues of bitz for $20, can't go wrong with that. Tho I wonder if they can maintain the momentum, there might come of a time when people decide they have enough plastic walls.


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Sonds like there will be a lot of voting on Facebook prior to launch, including the species of the plastic NPCs.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/25 19:55:10


Post by: DaveC


New Woodhaven preview video

KS preview page is now live it's WIP and will be updated over the next few weeks.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/dungeons-and-lasers-third-edition?ref=ek0tqz&token=960b999d&fbclid=IwAR3JX2M02vGdvGYuYZZpgtGH60rlxx6Eip3chliZJeGp428igOrlfX6adm4

Plan is to launch 2nd half of April subject to D&L2 shipping

Townsfolk Starter set - 1 set in each pledge 67 miniatures



Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/25 20:16:53


Post by: lord_blackfang


So... the townsfolk turned out to be 4 regiments of humans for massed battles for like $40? I'm okay with this.

My plan is to just throw in 200€ to help unlock stuff and decide what to get later.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/25 20:22:11


Post by: DaveC


They will be adding extra townsfolk in the stretch goals that's just the starter set. I'd be surprised if the townsfolk starter set is $40 on it's own more like $20-$25 given it's 1 of 7 sets for the €85($99) pledge. They did say it would also be an add on.

I'm hoping they allow multiples of the €85 pledge level with multiple sets of stretch goals like they did with D&L2 as the value is in the stretch goals.
2 x Village pledge = 10 rooms, 2 townsfolk starters & 2 Stretch goal sets vs. Town pledge = 11 rooms, 1 townfolk starter and 1 stretch goals. There will be other pledge levels when it goes live.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/25 21:32:55


Post by: Gallahad


I don't understand what a "room" is in the pledge levels.

The townsfolk look amazing. They are in HIPS plastic right? (I can use plastic glue)

Any indications on the scale? Are these Perry true 28mms or GW Empire size?


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/25 23:00:01


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I think a room is effectively a bundle of stuff on a particular theme (eg sewer)

Yes they're in HIPS

don't know on scale (unless there's a figure sample in with the D&L 2 deliveries that will be starting soon


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/25 23:00:27


Post by: DaveC


 Gallahad wrote:
I don't understand what a "room" is in the pledge levels.

The townsfolk look amazing. They are in HIPS plastic right? (I can use plastic glue)

Any indications on the scale? Are these Perry true 28mms or GW Empire size?


Everything is HIPS plastic including the townsfolk. No idea how they scale they haven't said anything other than 28mm.

Each of these = 1 room worth of content (they used the term from D&L2)

The Royal Castle
Wooden Cottage
Tudor Mansion
Stone Tower
Town Sewers
City Streets

Village pledge lets you pick any 5 in any combination (could be the same 5). Extra rooms sold for $20 each in D&L2.

Fantasy Core Set is not a room it's a bigger add on kit sells for $40


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/25 23:07:58


Post by: Gallahad


 DaveC wrote:
 Gallahad wrote:
I don't understand what a "room" is in the pledge levels.

The townsfolk look amazing. They are in HIPS plastic right? (I can use plastic glue)

Any indications on the scale? Are these Perry true 28mms or GW Empire size?


Everything is HIPS plastic including the townsfolk. No idea how they scale they haven't said anything other than 28mm.

Each of these = 1 room worth of content (they used the term from D&L2)

The Royal Castle
Wooden Cottage
Tudor Mansion
Stone Tower
Town Sewers
City Streets

Village pledge lets you pick any 5 in any combination (could be the same 5). Extra rooms sold for $20 each in D&L2.

Fantasy Core Set is not a room it's a bigger add on kit sells for $40


Thank you. That pledge looks very attractive.

Fingers crossed the minis scale will not be historical but fantasy scale.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/25 23:14:09


Post by: Orlanth


 Gallahad wrote:
I don't understand what a "room" is in the pledge levels.


Three sprues of one room set. A room set sprue has one long floor, one square floor, one long wall, two short walls and one open doorway. Each room set sprue is identically formatted but with different details according to the set. All the themed detail for a room set is on one sprue tool.

Each room set pack, is accompanied by one sprue of clips, though with D&L2 there are different clips added so you may get an extra clip sprue, or a different one.

For two room sets you can have one core set, which has considerably more stuff by price, but only with the default dungeon or industrial theme. You can make entire structures/dungeons just from room sets, and you get the same architecture but with less value for money. All items are interchangable physically, and may or may not fit by theme according to your narrative. You are not obliged to make structures out of one set, you can have accents of one set in another.


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 Gallahad wrote:

Any indications on the scale? Are these Perry true 28mms or GW Empire size?


Heroic scale compatible, it works with 40K and WHFB miniatures fine, however it also works with true scale 28mm. Pressed to a choice I would call the sets heroic 28mm, as must stuff more closely matches that scale, but it would not look amiss with true scale. However 25mm or 32mm would be a stretch, but again it depends on which piece. Generic stone walls and arches can be any scale.

The furnishings on the other hand are fairly chunky and work best with 28mm scale.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/25 23:28:15


Post by: lord_blackfang


 DaveC wrote:
They will be adding extra townsfolk in the stretch goals that's just the starter set. I'd be surprised if the townsfolk starter set is $40 on it's own more like $20-$25 given it's 1 of 7 sets for the €85($99) pledge. They did say it would also be an add on.

I'm hoping they allow multiples of the €85 pledge level with multiple sets of stretch goals like they did with D&L2 as the value is in the stretch goals.
2 x Village pledge = 10 rooms, 2 townsfolk starters & 2 Stretch goal sets vs. Town pledge = 11 rooms, 1 townfolk starter and 1 stretch goals. There will be other pledge levels when it goes live.


The value is insane. The guard alone is 3 regiments of 18 and 9 cavalry. That's like 80€ even from Mantic.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/25 23:59:40


Post by: Talking Banana


Sorry if this has been answered earlier in the thread, but this KS is just fantasy buildings, right? Will participating in it give access to sci-fi sets from previous D&L kickstarters on the pledge manager?


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/26 00:01:57


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


it's not been said but I wouldn't be surprised


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/26 00:32:11


Post by: DaveC


There's no Sci-Fi in this KS they have another project planned for Sci-Fi


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/26 02:15:56


Post by: Orlanth


Do you have any info on the SF project?


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/26 11:27:25


Post by: DaveC


 Orlanth wrote:
Do you have any info on the SF project?


No all they've said is it's coming later basically to stop people asking for it during the Woodhaven KS

Scale pic for those asking - I only have the Starcide sample set they sent out so this is the closest I've got I'm not sure how the fantasy stuff will scale but I assume it will be similar looking at the renders. Left to right, Perry, Starcide, GW. She's a bit taller than the GW mini and has finer proportions.


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Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/26 14:28:55


Post by: Gallahad


 DaveC wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:
Do you have any info on the SF project?


No all they've said is it's coming later basically to stop people asking for it during the Woodhaven KS

Scale pic for those asking - I only have the Starcide sample set they sent out so this is the closest I've got I'm not sure how the fantasy stuff will scale but I assume it will be similar looking at the renders. Left to right, Perry, Starcide, GW. She's a bit taller than the GW mini and has finer proportions.


Thank you, that is very helpful. A little bit taller but with finer proportions is actually ideal for me since about 50%+ of my fantasy miniatures are now ASOIAF minis.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/26 15:04:46


Post by: Smokestack


Yeah, the mini looks good. I have a few kickstarters coming in April, but this one is definitely on my radar. Will try to get at least the miniature set if they are available separately. I dont really need that many more guards, but then again... you can never have too many guards.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/26 15:53:54


Post by: Orlanth


This might help with scaling:



Notice that is a primaris marine, on top of a thick GW base and it still fits in the terrain. It might not look like it does, but RPG minis will normally have thinner bases, and not be as big as primaris. Also it stands to reason primaris might have problems with some doors.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/26 17:36:07


Post by: Gallahad


Yeah, I'm not as worried about the scaling of the terrain, mostly just the minis. I have a much broader range tolerance for terrain than for minis for some reason.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/29 16:33:36


Post by: Orlanth


I have eleven dragons on their way soon.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/31 13:08:30


Post by: DaveC


Painted sample from Facebook. Hopefully they find a clever way to hide the clips where the trim pieces won’t fit. plasti card/strips would do the job but the less work the better.

KS preview has been updated as well you can swap the townsfolk for 1 room instead the trim pieces have doubled from 3 to 6 per room.





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Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/03/31 13:09:50


Post by: lord_blackfang


It would go a long way if you just colored them the same as the material around them

I bet it won't be a problem to get them to make half width clips for these edge cases of interior galleries.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
OMG guys I just remembered I still have close to 20 sprues of Rampart 2 stretch goals to clip. How bad would it suck to still have that on the pile of shame when D&L2 got here!


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/01 09:01:27


Post by: schoon


Seems to me there's quite a bit of value in this for anyone who wants an urban setting for any fantasy game.

Love the townsfolk.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/03 18:21:52


Post by: lord_blackfang


Did anyone here get any Rampart Cobalt theme? I clipped everything ages ago and now I'm mid assembly and I seem to have an ungodly amount of extra short column halves for some reason and I can't find sprue pics online to check why.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/03 18:45:54


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


does this description help? it's got parts counts at least

https://shlansn-games.de/shop/produkt/rampart-terrain-cobalt-foundry/

I also remember I got a number of partial sprues for my Kazumi as otherwise they'd have been short of something for what they'd promised on ks (can't remember what, clips may be?),

but clearly clipping sprues apart takes time and manpower and if cobalt had the same parts breakdown issues they may have decided it was easier to just give full sprues meaning it's not impossible that you will be left with a bunch of spare stuff from them


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/03 19:02:47


Post by: lord_blackfang


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
does this description help? it's got parts counts at least

https://shlansn-games.de/shop/produkt/rampart-terrain-cobalt-foundry/

I also remember I got a number of partial sprues for my Kazumi as otherwise they'd have been short of something for what they'd promised on ks (can't remember what, clips may be?),

but clearly clipping sprues apart takes time and manpower and if cobalt had the same parts breakdown issues they may have decided it was easier to just give full sprues meaning it's not impossible that you will be left with a bunch of spare stuff from them


Thanks, that's the same as the listing on the KS page and does have this
24x Half-Columns – tall and regular

but I think this just means the corresponding halves for the 24 actual walls especially as it mentions both tall and regular but I only have spare regulars and while tere's a lot, there's not 24 spares per set (have 3 sets). As you say, there were probably extras on the plug sprue or something. For Kazumi I seem to have a ridiculous amount of spare plugs and floor clamps.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/04 00:09:24


Post by: Overread


It might be worth starting a new thread for the new KS. Esp since this thread will get confusing talking about them both at once as soon as products start shipping and arriving


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/04 11:33:19


Post by: DaveC


 Overread wrote:
It might be worth starting a new thread for the new KS. Esp since this thread will get confusing talking about them both at once as soon as products start shipping and arriving


OK then - I've transferred everything relevant to a new thread

We can keep this one for D&L 2 updates on that note I got a shipping notification for wave 2 which should arrive this Thursday, they are using Fedex this time.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/04 12:16:57


Post by: Overread


Ahh not heard from them yet, though I know there's a lot of orders to get through so no panic. Plus with brexit it wouldn't surprise me if the UK parcels get snarled up in all that for a bit.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/04 12:44:03


Post by: lord_blackfang


No notice for me yet but I did manage to at least clip all the previous stuff, and I assembled the giant boiler from Rampart 2. Lovely kit even if there are some gaps.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/04 12:53:01


Post by: DaveC


I've clipped a fantasy core box worth for a project that got sidelined for a while. I still have 3 more core boxes but I might save it all up to mix with Woodhaven, use the fantasy walls for the lower parts of buildings so as to make the new rooms go further. I may set up some of the doors to use with Cursed City to replace card tokens I just need to make some bases for them to clip into.

I'm still due 2 Cursed Cathedral (keeping these to make a church), 2 Dwarven mines, 2 Stretch Goals and 2 Dragons. The stretch goals got so big they come in 3 boxes. They will be showing them on this Thursdays livestream.



Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/04 13:20:12


Post by: lord_blackfang


10 sprues of stretch goals, right? I got 4 packs... along with the big dragon pledge, I think I got doubles of the zombie one as it's more useful for wargames and dropped the lightning one. Oh and 2 sets of D&L1 stretch goals, which I skipped previously. If these weren't the same price as D&L2 SG for half the amount, I'd get 4 too.

My hands are gonna bleed.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/08 19:42:35


Post by: lord_blackfang


Some caps from today's live stream


This is just the $99 pledge


Just the stretch goals

Some of the 10 SG sprues







Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/08 20:15:16


Post by: DaveC


More pics of the 11 SG frames and the Woodhaven sample sprue


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Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/08 20:23:38


Post by: lord_blackfang


The sample frame has the XCOM hologlobe on it which was a stretch goal, so I better be getting 4!


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/08 20:31:06


Post by: DaveC


Oops wrong thread fixed the post above now with D&L2 pics


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/13 11:43:26


Post by: lord_blackfang


Ladies and germs, I have a tracking number!

Some unboxings are trickling in

Origon the nearly 1 million dollar dragon looking good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwk6j92WM3E



Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/13 13:16:00


Post by: DaveC


It’s taken me the better part of 2 days to assembled just the Fantasy themed part of 2 stretch goal sets. There are 2 fantasy bridges in a SG set due to a tooling error 1 with connector tabs/holes and 1 without them. Each set also had 2 of the last sprue I posted above. Everything goes together really well other than the rack which is cast to thin and breaks easily.

If it remains $20 in D&L 3 I’ll definitely get a 3rd set.

I’ve put the sci-fi parts to 1 side for now most of box 2 is sci-fi. I did assembled the holograms to see how they looked and it’s a very clever design.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/13 15:08:45


Post by: DaveC


Some quick pictures

2 sets of the fantasy stretch goals and the holograms (click for larger image). There are lots more small wall plugs not pictured.


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Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/13 15:13:28


Post by: ced1106


Doors sold separately. Kinda irritating that the door sets assume you've bought each of the rooms, but whatever. You can also buy more frames, but that starts defeating the purpose of these being inexpensive sets.

Still, overall a great value. Glad I minimize my pledges on KS that I didn't buy 2x of a particular room.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/13 15:25:08


Post by: DaveC


 ced1106 wrote:
Doors sold separately. Kinda irritating that the door sets assume you've bought each of the rooms, but whatever. You can also buy more frames, but that starts defeating the purpose of these being inexpensive sets.



Here's the update.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/dungeons-and-lasers-second-edition/posts/3158361?ref=ksr_email_backer_project_update_registered_users

I can see why there was confusion. They only intended to supply the new parts in yellow to add to existing doors backers already had but most assumed that the full wall tile was included as well it was poorly communicated.

As a remedy they will supply STL files for the door frames - if you are backing this for physical product you probably aren't 3D printing or they will tool a new door frame sprue as an add on for D&L3 which will be available with rapid shipping.



I didn't get these so not really affected but it probably would have been cheaper just to refund or credit backers that got the door sets.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/13 15:54:31


Post by: lord_blackfang


I'm sad. I got exactly 4 sets of SGs specifically for the dragon statue (right behind the beds in DaveC's pic) which looked t be 2x2" in the sketch and it got scaled down so much the skulls at its base are 1mm across.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/21 00:05:55


Post by: ced1106


What's the SG inventory?

Box 1:
* Fantasy 1
* Fantasy 2
* Fantasy 3
* Fantasy 4 x2 <-- This must be the last sprue DaveC mentioned

Box 2:
* Fantasy - Sci Fi 1
* Fantasy - Sci Fi 2
* Fantasy - Sci Fi 3
* Fantasy - Sci Fi 4
* Fantasy - Sci Fi 5

Box 3:
* Fantasy 5
* Fantasy 6
* Woodhaven Samples
* Connectors x2
* Hydra wall piece
* Dragon head sculpture partial sprue


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/04/21 07:46:54


Post by: DaveC


 ced1106 wrote:
What's the SG inventory?

Box 1:
* Fantasy 1
* Fantasy 2
* Fantasy 3
* Fantasy 4 x2 <-- This must be the last sprue DaveC mentioned

Box 2:
* Fantasy - Sci Fi 1
* Fantasy - Sci Fi 2
* Fantasy - Sci Fi 3
* Fantasy - Sci Fi 4
* Fantasy - Sci Fi 5

Box 3:
* Fantasy 5
* Fantasy 6
* Woodhaven Samples
* Connectors x2
* Hydra wall piece
* Dragon head sculpture partial sprue


That’s correct as best I can remember. Box 2 is all 5 Sci-Fi sprues ( with some fantasy or generic bits on them). The fantasy sprues are split over the other 2 boxes plus Woodhaven, the connectors, the hydra wall piece in light grey on its own and the dragon torches which are a partial sprue. They must have doubled fantasy sprue 4 to keep the content of that box similar to the other 2 ( by no of sprues)

EDIT: box contents list
https://archon-studio.com/sites/default/files/files/stretch_goals_2ed_doc.pdf

Assembly instructions
https://archon-studio.com/sites/default/files/files/DNL2_SG_manual.pdf


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/05/05 13:45:13


Post by: rosafari


The Pledge Manager for D&L 2 looks like it is still open - can you still order through it? Is this the only place to currently get Sci-Fi rooms and bits? As D&L KS 3 looks to be purely fantasy and Archon don’t have a web store that I know of..


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/05/05 13:49:01


Post by: lord_blackfang


Yea pretty sure you cen get any of the old stuff through old pledge managers.


Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/05/05 15:36:54


Post by: Orlanth


My stuff arrived last week. I was so blown away by the quality and quantity I put in a late pledge same day. I have done this now for D&L1, D&L2 and Rampart.

I have been monitoring the pledge account on Gamefound every day since to check for signs my late pledge is being shipped. I should report that the pledge manager finally closed three days ago.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm sad. I got exactly 4 sets of SGs specifically for the dragon statue (right behind the beds in DaveC's pic) which looked t be 2x2" in the sketch and it got scaled down so much the skulls at its base are 1mm across.


Cheer up. Four sets of stretcgoals means:

4x Origon the Denouncer. - Mah Jong has three dragon colours, chinese mythology has several more. Most dragons can be depicted the same just in different colours, unlike D&D dragons, so paint the four dragons in different colours. Make sure one is red, because even westerners recognise the red dragon and its symbol.

4x benches and tables and 8x stools. - A more reasonable number to fill a great hall scene.

11x beds - Yes four of the twelve are mimics but you can convert and fill them easily to make three saggy beds and one mimic. That is more than enough beds for an inn or barracks.

4x tiny dragons - Smaller than you expected but you can cut one or more from and assemble them separately to the dias perched on. There are servicable little wyrmlings for RPG's and small enough you dont need to detail them, just paint them four strong colours. Adventurers are more likely to encounter wyrmlings than other dragons and they could be encounter threats or plot mcguffins.

4x Vending machines - These are a godsend for cyberpunk/SF gamers. I converted the vending machine mimics in the useless and wasteful Companions boxset into regular broken vending machines. I would be happy for four more. Vending machines don't look out of place in a wide variety of public places. They are big enough to stop bullets, heavy enough to block doorways yet 'portable' enough to be hurled by force users and adventurers with cyberstrength. If you are not strong enough to use one as a weapon you can still topple them and use them for hard cover or to block a doorway or throughfare.

There are many many others things you will do well to have at least one of. Furnishing starship bridges, torture chambers, royal halls for living or dead kings, assorted palace or dungeon add ons etc etc. And the bitz, these sets are a treasure trove of bitz. I want a saddle for my star dragon, the dragon throne piece has me covered. There is a lot of useful base scatter for my Warhammer armies. It is nice to have more than one of something as there are a lot of useful somethings.

Don't forget that this means you can separate out a lot of the bitz for your friends. You might not want four thrones, but you would be wise to bitz at least one, and can give away/trade the rest.

Rampart had better 'spammables' items that it was worth getting in large numbers like basic furniture, there is somewhat less of that in this set, but its strong on good solid accessories.



Dungeons and Lasers Second Edition by Archon, plastic dungeon terrain etc Kickstarter (coming soon) @ 2021/05/27 08:31:03


Post by: Orlanth


My second order arrived today, just packed the boxes away for 'distribution'.

Yes I am a whale, but I dont need 20 dragons.