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Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2020/10/07 14:55:12


Post by: ced1106


Woo! Finally!

I haven't backed since MB 1.0, so lemme know what sort of problems the company has been having, how many projects they have outstanding, etc. etc.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/806316071/mythic-battles-pantheon-15/posts/2978447

Friends, it’s been a long time. Too long to be honest. The Beyond the Monolith failure, the Conan the Conqueror success, Covid, unfortunately everything Mythic Battles - Ragnarök moved much slower than we expected.
But now we are ready, ready to start revealing the next instalment in the Mythic Battles series.Mythic Battles: Ragnarök. . Totally standalone, playable in its own right or fully compatible with Mythic Battles: Pantheon OR test your mettle Pantheon to Pantheon, God to God.

Week by week as we march towards the kickstarter we'll show you insight after insight

We've shared some previous insights with you before the slow down, and here's our most recent insight, the first gameboard, Naglfar from the core box if you missed seeing its glory on Facebook,

But this forward movement with MB: Ragnarök, doesn’t sigh MB: Pantheons death warrant, quite the contrary.

Depending on the results of the upcoming online survey, uploaded next month, a reprint of part or the whole of the MB: Pantheon content will be offered as addons in the Pledge Manager, we chose the Pledge Manager so that any new backers wouldn’t be confused by the product selection during the Kickstarter.

The MB: Ragnarök Kickstarter itself WILL contain the MB: Pantheon core box and some amazing bundles.

We’ll talk about MB: Ragnarök and next campaign in the coming weeks, tonight, WE DINE IN HELL
.

Also, see the link for "MB: Pantheon 1.5 FAQ – Finished and ready to solve your ruling questions:"

Gameboard art:





Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2020/10/07 15:32:10


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Conan is on target as far as we know,

Batman Gotham City Chronicles 2 delivered ok to most, but since they don't do their own fulfilment there seems to have been a few that fell through the cracks between monolith and the fulfilment firm

however the rules were still not great (or possibly not well translated) so they're planning another rulebook update for Batman 3 so I imagine there rules for this will need a fair bit of interpretation

(not necessarily a deal breaker, but if you/your group isn't prepared to work around wonky translation and ambiguous rules something to consider)

Shipping on Conan was also painful even though I don't normally moan about that sort of thing (to the point I didn't get stuff I had intended to). My 32 Euro estimate ended up at 55 Euro, yes I was getting more stuff, and I expected to pay a bit more but the size of the increase, and the fact that adding any of the big box expansions would have made it significantly more hurt

now in part that's probably because Monolith was tied to use the companies they had they old stock warehoused with but sadly I expect it might well apply here too


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2020/10/07 18:16:16


Post by: Gallahad


Hmm, I'll see. Shipping for Conan was very expensive and I didn't really feel like I got much for my money.

I hear good things about MB though. I'll be watching to see how many sculpts repeat (Monolith tends to only do a single sculpt per troop type). I do appreciate that Monolith only books the absolute best sculptors, so at least the sculpts you do get are works of art.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2020/10/07 19:38:01


Post by: Monkeysloth


 Gallahad wrote:
Hmm, I'll see. Shipping for Conan was very expensive and I didn't really feel like I got much for my money.



Obviously it's subjective but I felt like Conan The Conqueror was a good deal. A lot of the figures are huge and at retail, looking at similar sized creatures, would run $40-$60 each MSRP. Add that to OG conan being my top used mini set for fantasy RPGS over the past few years and I know I'll get a lot out of the set.

I wouldn't expect MB:R to be a free flowing with minis as OG Conan or MB as those days are long gone on KSer in general but it will most likely have more for your money if that's the biggest concern for reasons below. We know Conan The Conqueror was more reigned in too due to budgetary reasons. Failure of the Beyond the Monolith KSer and Fred's partners walking away and wanting to cash out their shares of Batman which have been discussed to death. But one that really wasn't was Fred not sure there was really any interests in Conan due to retail failure so he didn't want to do a expansion with a lot of cash invested that he wasn't sure he could make back through shear sales numbers. Mythic Battle games have always had a strong demand post KSer and they're looking to do another reprint of MB (might be a partial, they haven't committed to everything yet) so that fear that it's a dead game isn't holding back Fred.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2020/10/07 19:44:53


Post by: Llamahead


Pantheon and Joan of Arc produced some excellent models and the Ymir is a thing of beauty I can't wait! Everything I've ordered has been delivered and I received a refund from Time of Legends Destinies without trouble.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2020/10/07 20:13:06


Post by: Theophony


Depending on price and models, I could possibly use them for Osprey Games: Ragnarok. I'll keep my eye out.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2020/10/07 20:48:08


Post by: Monkeysloth


 Llamahead wrote:
Pantheon and Joan of Arc produced some excellent models and the Ymir is a thing of beauty I can't wait! Everything I've ordered has been delivered and I received a refund from Time of Legends Destinies without trouble.


Mythic Games sold their part of Mythic Battles to Monolith and aren't involved with the game anymore (haven't for years).


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2020/10/11 15:38:02


Post by: Mr Morden


Looking forward to seeing what happens - Love my Pantheon models and quite enjoying the rpg setting etc


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/01/13 21:31:29


Post by: Monkeysloth


Several previews and updates recently

First form a post today
We've never been so close! We are aiming for a launch in the second half of this quarter and will be able to publish the exact date in the next two weeks.
We are still waiting for some information from our partner factories before we publish the survey from which we will gauge demand for what Mythic Battles: Pantheon products we would include in the upcoming Mythic Battles: Ragnarök campaign.
This survey will allow backers to indicate their choice of Mythic Battles: Pantheon products from the entire MB-P product range and not just those products that have already been reprinted. If there is sufficient demand, those products will be added to the range of available products in the Mythic Battles: Ragnarök Kickstarter campaign or Pledge manager.
The only MB-P product we will offer during the Mythic Battles Ragnarök Kickstarter campaign will be the Mythic Battles Pantheon 1.5 core box (and its Stretch Goals).
All other Mythic Battles Pantheon products we elect to add (including the MB-P1.5 core box) will be available in the Mythic Battles Ragnarök pledge manager.
It’s our attempt not to overwhelm or complicate choices for new players of the game.
The next few weeks will see a series of news on MBR, revealing to you before the launch all


also news on a webstore
It is time! By mid-year, once all Conan: the Conqueror pledges are delivered, we will be opening the online store we've been working on for some time. It will offer products from several ranges, in limited quantities, as well as new products. We're not planning to make it just a clearance or pre-order space but give it a life of its own. It is also part of a more comprehensive restructuring project for our pledge manager and our after-sales service, which will be overhauled this year. We point out in advance that there are no plans, with very specific exceptions, to make the products available on our store at a price lower than that which was theirs during our campaigns. We want our early supporters to be most rewarded. Likewise, pre-orders will not offer a lower price than campaigns.


Now for some previews (I've hidden the larger images that are just alternative views). I'm not sure how I feel about the giants so far. I didn't like their Yimir at all and I'm on the fence here. I guess they need to do something different then just traditional stuff but it's not working for me.


Spoiler:


Spoiler:








Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/01/22 20:18:11


Post by: Monkeysloth


Thor has been previewed. Next week they should have a launch date set.



Spoiler:


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/01/22 21:26:57


Post by: Gallahad


None of your image links show up for me Monkey Sloth. Maybe on my end? Are they showing up for other people?

That being said, I found the image on their Facebook page, and boy does Thor's hammer look stupid.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/01/22 21:43:01


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


 Gallahad wrote:
None of your image links show up for me Monkey Sloth. Maybe on my end? Are they showing up for other people?

That being said, I found the image on their Facebook page, and boy does Thor's hammer look stupid.


showing for me


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/01/22 22:28:24


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Shows for me too, and usually stuff doesn't while I'm at work (which is over and done with before people get cheeky with me).

Handle of the hammer seems too short or something. Or too big of head. Everything else looks good.

This will be one I'm less interested in the gods, more interested in the human sized models. Hel had some cool stuff- can they top those for Ragnarok?


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/01/22 23:10:59


Post by: Monkeysloth


 Gallahad wrote:
None of your image links show up for me Monkey Sloth. Maybe on my end? Are they showing up for other people?

That being said, I found the image on their Facebook page, and boy does Thor's hammer look stupid.


They're direct linked the Facebook page. I checked in some incognito windows to make sure they'd show up if not logged in so it's odd you cannot see them but can access facebook.

The hammer is a very traditional style for Thor -- which I agree has never looked that good to me due to how squat it is but they do have lots of references for the basic design of the hammer from old art.


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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:


This will be one I'm less interested in the gods, more interested in the human sized models. Hel had some cool stuff- can they top those for Ragnarok?


For MB: P I use the gods as statues as they're very static and work great for that in generic D&D settings and such. While I don't like the giants shown so far in MB:R thor will be an ice giant for me in other games.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/01/23 09:52:52


Post by: Shadow Walker


I like only the Berserker with a wolf head fur. The rest is not my taste, and Thor's hammer looks silly.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/01/23 10:02:53


Post by: Chillreaper


I don't care how much that handle is based on peer-reviewed papers analysing period accurate representation of Norse folklore - it looks daft.

Rule of cool trumps everything.

If I get on board this KS, the handle is getting modded.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/01/23 10:09:44


Post by: Mr Morden


Not grabbed yet - will see how it evolves.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/01/25 09:09:09


Post by: Monkeysloth


 Chillreaper wrote:
I don't care how much that handle is based on peer-reviewed papers analysing period accurate representation of Norse folklore - it looks daft.

Rule of cool trumps everything.

If I get on board this KS, the handle is getting modded.


Thor himself would probably appreciate it as the hammer's handle is shorter then it's suppose to be due to Loki.

While making the boar Gullinbursti, a gadfly, often thought to be Loki himself, came and bit Brokkr on the hand. Brokkr was not disturbed though and kept blowing into the fire. While making the golden arm ring Draupnir the gadfly came again and bit Brokkr, this time in the neck but Brokkr kept on blowing. Finally, while making the hammer Mjölnir the gadfly bit Brokkr on the eye this time. This temporarily caused Brokkr to stop blowing. That brief stoppage of blowing into the fire caused Mjölnir's handle to become shorter than it should have been. Because of this, Thor had to wear the iron gauntlets Járngreipr to handle it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brokkr


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/01/31 20:44:50


Post by: Monkeysloth


March 23d is the KSer date



from some KSer comments:

"VAT is included for EU and UK, concerning postage, we are actually exploring different solutions for shipping" This is in response to a common about CMoN's shipping/VAT issues

Less expansions the MBP (We knew that already though)

No knew MPB stuff but they're open to the concept.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/01/31 21:42:50


Post by: Nostromodamus


That’s March 23rd


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/01/31 23:55:09


Post by: ced1106


> The hammer is a very traditional style for Thor

So, basically, two conflicting *genre consistencies* (unless we have that argument again): Ancient mythology and Walt Simonson.

> That’s March 23rd

Einmánuður, Three days after vernal equinox, to be precise.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/01/31 23:58:45


Post by: Monkeysloth


 Nostromodamus wrote:
That’s March 23rd


Doh. Not sure why I read it as the 21st.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/06 00:48:08


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Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/06 06:08:27


Post by: Gallahad


What a weird pose. Really shows the limitations of single part miniatures.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/06 08:19:50


Post by: Monkeysloth


Agreed. But at the same time many of the poses have grown on me as I appreciate them trying to not make them as static and similar as Conan and MBP was.

I really like the Valkyrie queen pose and the above one does looks pretty good from the front..


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/12 18:56:21


Post by: Monkeysloth


Seers shown off today. I really like this one.



Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/12 19:19:58


Post by: Mr Morden


Thats a very cool image/model


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/12 23:40:09


Post by: Gallahad


I like the open hand in the artwork rather than the wand on the model.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/18 17:31:16


Post by: chazelliott


Online survey is Live - if items meet minimum print quantities, they get reprinted - https://tinyurl.com/1aem9gr7


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/18 18:55:36


Post by: Monkeysloth


Odd that Ymir is in there. Is that just the MB exclusive head option then?


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/18 19:04:57


Post by: Shadow Walker


That seeress looks great.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/18 19:33:18


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


So, I almost feel weird asking, but how was Mythic Battles as an actual game? I ended up selling my 1.0 pledge without even playing it, but heard 1.5 was a significant revision.

Is the actual gameplay experience enough to warrant a look, or is this more a CMoN, "buy it for the models" allure?


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/18 20:06:51


Post by: Monkeysloth


I've not had intrest in playing it but it has a pretty good rating on BGG and there are some decent sized online groups around the game.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/18 20:35:29


Post by: Nostromodamus


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So, I almost feel weird asking, but how was Mythic Battles as an actual game? I ended up selling my 1.0 pledge without even playing it, but heard 1.5 was a significant revision.

Is the actual gameplay experience enough to warrant a look, or is this more a CMoN, "buy it for the models" allure?


Brilliant game, definitely in my top 5, maybe top 3 board games. Army drafting is fun, scenarios are interesting and there’s good tactics and synergies to use. Dice mechanic is a little different but once you’re used to it it’s fine.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/19 00:16:57


Post by: ced1106


Better than CMON. The game adds a hand management aspect, so you can't just move your troops across the board -- actually, you can, but this uses up cards which you might want to use otherwise.

Even if you do like traditional wargame mechanics, there's a Greek mythology rulebook that even has solo rules (think Twelve Labors of Hercules) somewhere around for $25 or so.

As for Ymir, iirc, he was a promotional figure back when Monolith thought it could run a MB KS in a reasonable time.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/19 04:52:14


Post by: frankelee


Yeah I think Mythic Battles is just plain fun. Of course it's very well designed as a game, the card activation works, the dice system works, the units can have lots of different abilities, yet it's not a headache to implement.

I got the 1.5 update and changed my cards around, but I had lots of fun playing before it came out. People on KS forums just get a bit ridiculous whining sometimes.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/19 05:47:13


Post by: Monkeysloth


Fun fact. It's actually a much older game that Monolith bought the rights to and the original designer worked on the monolith version which used a lot of the same art.

Here's the original from 212
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/125996/mythic-battles


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/19 08:20:25


Post by: Chillreaper


I think that I can say with a decent level of confidence that if I was only allowed to keep one board game, it would be MB: P.

There's a ridiculous amount of variety due to the different units and maps. I'll never get to exhaust it all in the rest of my lifetime and that's just playing 1v1 battles, not even taking account of the dozens of scenarios.

The theme and backstory are right up my street and the vast majority of the minis look great - there's the odd duff one, but I'm really impressed with them.

The mechanics are engaging, too; whether it's the decisions that you make when you roll your dice pool, or your attitude to using your limited activations via the cards - sure, there's an element of luck with the cards you've got in your hand, but there's also the ability to mitigate that to a limited extent. It may look like you're in a sticky situation when your opponent has run a big bruiser in to your most sensitive area, but if they've blown through their activation cards to do it, that big, scary thing isn't going to be in a position to do anything except stand there.

I'm toying with the idea of getting Ragnarok, not because I need more expansions and variety, just because I'd like to see what the game is like with a Norse flavour slapped on it.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/02/21 08:35:06


Post by: Monkeysloth





Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/03/03 18:01:08


Post by: Monkeysloth


Fenrir.

And ya, the sword through the mouth is a thing from the old tales.



Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/03/03 19:44:20


Post by: Gallahad


Fenrir is cool, I dig the runes in his fur, but so far I'm still not seeing much that is "must buy."

I generally dislike settings involving literal gods or superheroes because they just feel bland and lacking in danger.

That being said, I've heard a lot of positive things about MB: Pantheon, and good gameplay could pull me in.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/03/03 20:21:08


Post by: Ian Sturrock


I might keep an eye out for a secondhand set of Pantheon on eBay. I did back it but the makers decided to refund my money rather than actually get me a copy, because me moving house (and telling them) was too complicated for them.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/03/04 01:51:40


Post by: Karazax


I liked a lot of the models from the original MBP, but so far I prefer the sculpts from Blood Rage for Ragnarok themed miniatures.

Still lots of stuff to reveal though.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/03/05 19:25:30


Post by: Monkeysloth


Hrym
While the gods and mankind wasted their time pursuing vain, childish occupations, the giant Hrym prepared for the end of the world in the shadows, building a ship to transport his armies to fight in Ragnarök.



painted, as I think it sells the piece more,. and scale shot. I really like it.
Spoiler:





Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/03/06 01:10:11


Post by: Gallahad


He's kinda cool. Not much movement to the sculpt, but that seems to be a Monolith style choice.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/03/06 01:26:14


Post by: Monkeysloth


He's more of a general/leader so I think the sculpt fits.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/03/12 18:00:57


Post by: Monkeysloth


Some teasers from Monolith and Matt John. There's going to be a Conan crossover again.



Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/03/19 19:11:22


Post by: Monkeysloth


Fafnir, the likely inspiration for Smaug in the Hobbit, was previewed recently.



It's looks to be on a 100mm base so maybe about 1/3rd the size in it's concept art but you've got to be practical as while I like the Joan Of Arc dragon that thing is a pain to have on the table.

Spoiler:





Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/03/27 23:30:28


Post by: Chillreaper


Just got a chance to watch an unboxing of a prototype set here:





I have to say, that I'm more impressed than I thought that I'd be!

Just having tree models in there, rather than cardboard standees practically sold it there and then. It doesn't look like Monolith are half-arsing this one.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/03/28 00:06:52


Post by: Monkeysloth


They had tree models for the first one, though it was an extra add on.

I've backed about half their KS campaigns and never felt they cut corners or didn't try to put out the best they could. There's always been translation issues due to Fred's views on those but I think Matt John has made Conan, at least, much better in English.

Also the KS starts first week of April, they had to delay I week.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/03/28 13:25:10


Post by: Chillreaper


Yeah, I got the terrain pack for Pantheon. I'm not sure if I once used the cardboard terrain, especially the silly rocks.

I'm just impressed that they decided to include the trees and the Ragnarok version of ruins terrain in the base set; the engraving on the stones is a nice touch.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/03/28 17:27:46


Post by: Original Timmy


Edit, deleted comment might have started an argument and i cant be arsed to argue lol


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/03/31 15:11:29


Post by: chazelliott


https://youtu.be/Q0KaBzyrslI
Kickstarter trailer


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/03 18:29:54


Post by: Monkeysloth


In a Conan KSer update Monolith has given an rough overview of what the Conan add on will be for this.


Sometime after the launch of Mythic Battles Ragnarok— most likely during the live campaign, but possibly during the pledge manager phase—we will offer an add-on that will allow you to use your Mythic Battles Ragnarok core set with Conan!

Because the Norse setting pairs so well with Conan, subbing in for the frozen reaches of Nordheim, we couldn’t pass up the opportunity to give Conan fans more things to slay. Here’s what we’re proposing:

-The Conan/MBR expansion will offer heaps of tiles and hero sheets from the Mythic Battles Ragnarok Core game and its expansions. We will focus on characters and creatures that best fit the Hyborian Age setting in terms of aesthetic and theme. Please know, we will not risk sacrificing our adherence to the Robert E. Howard source material, but fear not, there’s plenty in MBR that fits beautifully into Howard’s world.

- The Conan/MBR expansion will offer new spells and equipment cards, suited to the frozen north.

-It will come with a scenario booklet containing 8 brand-new scenarios for use with the core MBR game boards (4 adventure mode scenarios and 4 solo/co-op scenarios).

-With this expansion, players will only require any version of Conan (including core/retail) AND the Mythic Battles Ragnarok core set. We will offer substitution options for older Conan material and MBR expansion material where appropriate/possible.



Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/04 00:46:31


Post by: Gallahad


Huh, I'm a sucker for Conan stuff, even though I find the prices pretty outrageous compared to other boardgames.

Maybe the conan stuff plus ragnarok unlocks will convince me. It just hasn't grabbed me yet.

Members of the household are fans of Greek Mythology, so I'm tempted by Pantheon too. I just don't know if I need any more skirmish games or systems, and the Monolith edition stuff always being monopose bothers me.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/04 03:16:49


Post by: Monkeysloth


I can understand the monopose complaint but it's not always (just mostly always). There are some where there's 2 (pirates, town guard in Conan come to mind) but it's not the norm as they would rather give more variety in units then do lots of multiple poses. It's a hard line to straddle as there are supporters of both approaches.

Price is always a subjective thing but I think callout it outrageous is a bit over the top (I'm assuming you're talking about Conqueror as the OG one was an amazing deal that just can't happen anymore if you want to actually not loose money which it did). $100 for the stuff in the spoiler plus all the maps and scenarios (where a lot of the cost goes) is perfectly reasonable. It's not amazing (especially if you only want the minis) but it's not outrageous either. And that's not including the MBP reprints they added as SG.

Spoiler:





Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/04 04:57:24


Post by: Gallahad


I don't know, 55 PVC minis in 15 unique sculpts for $100+$30 shipping is pretty poor compared to other PVC mini boardgames. Especially for a Kickstarter.

Retail Zombicide Invader comes with 16 unique sculpts, 72 minis, plus a bunch of boards and scenarios and cards, etc. You can buy that shipped for $80 USD. I understand they won't compare to CMON who are the kings of that type of game on KS, but look at any other comparable game, and the content looks pretty poor. Look at what Blacklist can offer, or Mythic, or the studio that did Limbo:Eternal War, etc. etc.

Maybe not outrageous, but certainly "the worst value big boardgame with PVC minis" from my perspective. Replace the the IP with anything other than Conan and I wouldn't even come close to buying in.

But I don't want to get too negative. They make good games, which can make up for the 30-50 minis or so they are shy on value and they have decent art direction. As I said, I'm a sucker for Conan and have a few reasons I might back Ragnarok and Pantheon.

At the end of the day, I like the visual appeal of miniatures games, and so the high numbers of repeats and static poses are big negatives for me, but I'm trying to give them a fair chance.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/04 06:33:20


Post by: Monkeysloth


I think that's a fair post. Conqueror has some very large minis that invader doesn't have in the retail box. So Invader is cheaper with more minis but Conan has more large figures for $20 more which is probably a similar amount of plastic for both games.

That extra $20 is Conan's big challenge for competing in price is the standard scenarios the game was originally designed around as they're a huge amount of work to create, playtest and balance so a lot of the cost is right there. The solo mode stuff Matt John created is much more akin to zombiecide and other similar boardgame scenarios where balance isn't as much of an issue but Monolith is very particular about making sure the original (vs mode) style of scenarios are fine tuned to be as fair to both sides as possible and it takes a lot of time and money. There's a post in Conan Gaming where Matt John talks a bit about the cost in hours for those and they're very absurdly high compared to what most other boardgames and wargames have. So if you're not into the game it can seam over priced as people don't account for the effort of those scenarios.

I'll be interested in seeing how MB:R does and what it's SG are as MBP was one of those amazing deals in cost and it really doesn't have the scenario cost Conan does as it will show what Monoliths post Conqueror mindset is . Conqueror was a very reserved campaign due to Fred's concerns about there being interest in the game still and the original loosing money so it was also paired down some to be low risk financially (but still probably wouldn't have been what you wanted). While MBP didn't loose money it didn't seam to make a lot (Batman is the only one that did) for the company.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/04 07:46:32


Post by: Gallahad


Yeah, I think it is more like a $50-$70 difference. The Zcide Invader Kickstarter absolutely came with more plastic and something like 10-12 big abominations.

Conan the Conqueror Kickstarter doesn't compare favorably to the retail version of similar games.

I think you raise a good point about the difficulty of balancing pvp scenarios compared to co-op games.

I think the skirmish game they tried to kickstart just failed due to poor marketing and a confusing Kickstarter.

Unfortunately, good gameplay is the hardest thing to market in a Kickstarter, and nice miniatures are one of the easiest. I think this explains a lot of Monolith's struggles.

For my part, there are more Conan scenarios already than I could play in 10 years. I don't need more scenarios, I need some alternative Pict models so the scenarios actually look good on the table...


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/04 18:36:35


Post by: Monkeysloth


For sure the KS version on invader was a better deal but since you were pricing it vs retail I stuck there for comparison.

I don't think you'll ever get away from them having lots of scenarios as they're so heavily tied to the maps and units in each set (you can't really pick your own, you have to use what's listed to keep the balance). But I think there will be more voices asking for alt sculpts as the game should start seeing regular release cadence which will change expectations away from "we just want more Conan" to people actually asking for what they want. The Beyond the Monolith stuff was an interesting idea but really poorly executied and even more poorly done on KS trying to have an odd mix of MBP and Conan. I really struggled to justify the cost on that one as I had no interest in the game mode.


In MBP news they posted an update on the survey that went out in march and everything for the game except one specific book (in French) will be reprinted. This should also include having things in the new webstore post KS delivery so if you want to pay a higher price and not deal with KS as a platform then you can.

Also launches tomorrow. 3PM EST (think that's 6pm GMT).


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/04 22:11:02


Post by: Gallahad


Nice, glad to hear that they are reprinting a lot for MBP.

Amy recommendations for what the sweet spot is of boxes to get? I'm not invested in the setting much, but my kids are currently on a Greek mythology kick, so it could be fun.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/04 23:32:26


Post by: Chillreaper


I'm not the most reliable source of opinion on things to go for, being as I ended up on a Greek Mythology kick, too and got everything...

The main expansion boxes are good, most of them include another double sided board and new ways of playing the game. As for value, depends on whether you want gameplay and extra "gameplay cool" units or whether you simply must have your favourite Greek hero to play with.

Hephaestus expansion gives you a board and scenarios, but I grabbed it for Prometheus.

Hera expansion gives you a board and scenarios with campaign progression and a bit of levelling up. I just got it for Perseus.

Poseidon gives you battles at sea, but seriously? How can you not get a box that includes not only Poseidon, but also Scylla and Charybdis?!

The titans box is often criticized for just having minis (although it does have some single player scenarios), but they're hardly minis! Kronos and Typhon? Yes, please.

A lot of people will recommend small boxes like Heroes of the Trojan War for price/gameplay value, but I like big imposing stuff on the board.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/05 12:32:52


Post by: Gallahad


 Chillreaper wrote:
I'm not the most reliable source of opinion on things to go for, being as I ended up on a Greek Mythology kick, too and got everything...

The main expansion boxes are good, most of them include another double sided board and new ways of playing the game. As for value, depends on whether you want gameplay and extra "gameplay cool" units or whether you simply must have your favourite Greek hero to play with.

Hephaestus expansion gives you a board and scenarios, but I grabbed it for Prometheus.

Hera expansion gives you a board and scenarios with campaign progression and a bit of levelling up. I just got it for Perseus.

Poseidon gives you battles at sea, but seriously? How can you not get a box that includes not only Poseidon, but also Scylla and Charybdis?!

The titans box is often criticized for just having minis (although it does have some single player scenarios), but they're hardly minis! Kronos and Typhon? Yes, please.

A lot of people will recommend small boxes like Heroes of the Trojan War for price/gameplay value, but I like big imposing stuff on the board.


Thank you, your brief summaries are very useful.

It feels like an entire product line I'm being asked to purchase in one go, going to have to fight my comoletionist tendencies if I decide to pick it up. I will definitely get the heroes of the Trojan War, and then one big expansion. I'm leaning towards Hera due to the campaign system, but family members are big Poseidon fans...


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/05 15:33:27


Post by: Monkeysloth


Since pretty much the whole line will available direct from Monolith for the first time post Kickstarter you don't have to purchase everything. I don't know if they're even planning on having KS exclusives anymore. We'll find out more before the campaign ends


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/05 16:08:23


Post by: Chillreaper


What do you mean "you don't have to purchase everything"?

What is wrong with you?

Seriously, though. If you want a Greek mythology game which is a combination of skirmish game, drafting game with a bit of chess level concentration requirement, then just go for the base game (with the associated Pandora's Box). It's got enough content to keep things varied for a year or two of dedicated play and far longer for a more casual approach. It's also probably got 80% of the Greek characters that you'll want. If you happen to be the world's biggest fan of Periphetes, then grab all the addons that catch your eye.

I think that I've got enough content to last me the rest of my life...

Having only a layperson's familiarity with Norse mythology, I'm hoping that Ragnarok's base game and stretch goals will have me covered. I doubt that I'll feel the need to go too heavily on this one.

Famous last words and all...


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/05 17:40:44


Post by: Gallahad


 Monkeysloth wrote:
Since pretty much the whole line will available direct from Monolith for the first time post Kickstarter you don't have to purchase everything. I don't know if they're even planning on having KS exclusives anymore. We'll find out more before the campaign ends


Ah, I didn't know that. Thanks. Takes the pressure off, but likely means less of a discount, which is a trade off I'm fine with.


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 Chillreaper wrote:
What do you mean "you don't have to purchase everything"?

What is wrong with you?

Seriously, though. If you want a Greek mythology game which is a combination of skirmish game, drafting game with a bit of chess level concentration requirement, then just go for the base game (with the associated Pandora's Box). It's got enough content to keep things varied for a year or two of dedicated play and far longer for a more casual approach. It's also probably got 80% of the Greek characters that you'll want. If you happen to be the world's biggest fan of Periphetes, then grab all the addons that catch your eye.

I think that I've got enough content to last me the rest of my life...

Having only a layperson's familiarity with Norse mythology, I'm hoping that Ragnarok's base game and stretch goals will have me covered. I doubt that I'll feel the need to go too heavily on this one.

Famous last words and all...

Yeah, I need to watch some battle reports and see if the game is a style I could enjoy with the family. To much brain burn and it isn't tenable.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/05 18:05:00


Post by: frankelee


 Gallahad wrote:

 Chillreaper wrote:
What do you mean "you don't have to purchase everything"?

What is wrong with you?

Seriously, though. If you want a Greek mythology game which is a combination of skirmish game, drafting game with a bit of chess level concentration requirement, then just go for the base game (with the associated Pandora's Box). It's got enough content to keep things varied for a year or two of dedicated play and far longer for a more casual approach. It's also probably got 80% of the Greek characters that you'll want. If you happen to be the world's biggest fan of Periphetes, then grab all the addons that catch your eye.

I think that I've got enough content to last me the rest of my life...

Having only a layperson's familiarity with Norse mythology, I'm hoping that Ragnarok's base game and stretch goals will have me covered. I doubt that I'll feel the need to go too heavily on this one.

Famous last words and all...

Yeah, I need to watch some battle reports and see if the game is a style I could enjoy with the family. To much brain burn and it isn't tenable.


As somebody who hates learning more rules I found MBP to be very intuitive and easy to play. It looked a little intimidating with all those character dashboards, but running the game and keeping all your skills and options in mind wasn't hard. The real devil is the setup and tear down time.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/05 18:05:04


Post by: Monkeysloth


They announced in January that they're finally opening a webstore, once Conan is delivered.


It is time! By mid-year, once all Conan: the Conqueror pledges are delivered, we will be opening the online store we've been working on for some time. It will offer products from several ranges, in limited quantities, as well as new products. We're not planning to make it just a clearance or pre-order space but give it a life of its own. It is also part of a more comprehensive restructuring project for our pledge manager and our after-sales service, which will be overhauled this year. We point out in advance that there are no plans, with very specific exceptions, to make the products available on our store at a price lower than that which was theirs during our campaigns. We want our early supporters to be most rewarded. Likewise, pre-orders will not offer a lower price than campaigns.


Since they'd been a KS only company since the failure of OG Conan in retail (MBP was planned but dropped once they saw how Conan struggled) so several things for MBP are listed as KS exclusive. We don't know how they'll deal with that but I have a feeling that they'll just sell everything as that seams inline with some things we've heard. The store is a very long requested thing from fans and I think is part of Fred's new found enthusiasm post his partners leaving (which sunk it) and Conan's very good KSer vs his expectations.

It's unfortunate that MBP didn't hit retail but what stung Conan, so many KS exclusives that most of the scenarios made available for the game weren't playable, could have affected MBP even though MBP is a draft team builder and Conan is use what the scenario said. So much stuff was KS exclusive in MBP that I don't know how well it would be received. CMoN did exclusives right by making the vast majority of them just alternate skins (which is honestly what the majority of Zombiecide stuff is even if there are cards for each survivor) with very little that affect gameplay.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/05 19:29:56


Post by: Chillreaper


Well then.

I wasn't expecting it to be up for another 35 minutes and it's already funded? Wasn't as if it was a tiny little funding goal, either.

Not bad!


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/05 19:33:01


Post by: Monkeysloth


$135 is a bit more then I was expecting for the base MBP pledge but it's still pretty good when you loot at what comes with it. Atlas alone would be a over $60 if it was an official D&D figure in retail.

Also nice to see all the add ons from the begning.

Wonder if they're going to redo Loki as people really hated it on FB. They wanted MCU Loki and Monolith said they'd consider doing a slight rework on the pose.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/05 20:00:22


Post by: Mr Morden


Really liking some fo the gods - Freya, Loki and others - but a few look a bit stiff

Think will get the core set at least



Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/05 20:05:17


Post by: Monkeysloth


The only one that looks bad to me is Heimdall. Outside of that I think the poses are all find considering the constraints of plastic and keeping costs reasonable.

This is looking to beat Conan the Conqueror's total in just the first day. MP was always their most popular internal IP.


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Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/06 14:04:23


Post by: anab0lic


Have to say, I'm pretty underwhelmed by the miniatures on offer this time round. I have everything from Pantheon and quite a bit of it still untouched... so do I really need what is essentially another expansion to that? I'll throw a dollar at it for pledge manager access, but unless I have a bunch of money spare at the time it closes I think I'll be skipping this.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/06 14:43:21


Post by: Sacredroach


I'm in for a dollar as well...not liking a lot of the art directions (esp Grendel and Grendel's mommy) on many of the gods and monsters.

OTOH, the Svinfylkingar, Norns and Freya are outstanding.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/06 16:42:08


Post by: Monkeysloth


I'm not keen on Grendel's mom, think they dropped the ball there, but I like Grendel himself. Not a fan of Mirmr either but so far that's 2 SG that I don't like which isn't that bad.

Skadi is unlocked.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/06 17:50:58


Post by: Gallahad


Skadi and Tyr are cool. I also don't mind Grendel and Mother. I really like Mimir and the Norns.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/06 18:12:47


Post by: Monkeysloth


The Norns are great when you get in there and look at how the sculptor positioned all 3. Sakdi and Tyr are also the best base set Gods right now but I don't dislike any of them. Loki could use some translucent spell between his hands but it's minor.

also recruitment cards unlocked (allow for various army drafting methods) with Drauger on deck at 35k more. They're lowering the SG amount as things slow down.





Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/06 18:19:20


Post by: Gallahad


Good to see they are slowing stretch goal gaps. This has to be blowing away their expectations.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/06 18:23:28


Post by: Monkeysloth


Yes. It's doing way better then the original if you look at kicktraq. But Ragnarok has an all in from the start and I don't think that added that to Pantheon until much farther into the campaign. If they add a list for MBP add ons during the campaign they could go way past what they have designed and that could cause delays if they add stuff which they don't want to do (which is why I think they're not committing to showing those until the PM).

https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/806316071/mythic-battles-ragnarok/#chart-daily

https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/806316071/mythic-battles-pantheon/#chart-daily

Few other things we know:

Ymir is going to be an add on and made available with MBP stuff is available.

An all in MBP + MBR pledge will come sometime

They've confirmed that Mythic Battles Egypt is next (this was expected) you can see the logo on the card sleeves.



there's something else Viking related coming from Monolith after this KS that fills in some areas that MBR doesn't cover.
here's one viking aspect we plan on exploring later because we want to take all the time needed to make this aspect works perfectly.


The response was a bit vague and may not be related to MBR at all but might have a packs that's sold for it. It was in response to more MBR stuff not via KS so could be they're planning for an expansion via their webstore. They're not covering Navel battles so it could be that as lots of people have been asking for it.

They went from saying NO to solo mode to we can't say no or yes. If they're changing their mind on that I guess it would mean Matt John coming up with the rules as he did the very well received Solo/Co-op mode for Conan. But I wouldn't back for an unannounced game mode if that would be something to cause you to pull the trigger on this.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/06 19:35:11


Post by: Ian Sturrock


Anyone spot anywhere as to whether UK VAT and duties will need to be paid by the customer, or are included in the shipping estimates? They mention on the main page that EU VAT is already included in the shipping...


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/06 19:38:09


Post by: Monkeysloth


It's included in the base cost of each item.


YES, for EVERYTHING available during the Kickstarter Campaign and the Pledge Manager, VAT and US Sale Taxes are included. No Pledge Manager surprise; we take care of these costs as we always have.



UK Importation taxes? How do you plan on dealing with this potential issue?
We plan on using a UK based distribution hub to ensure that our UK backers don’t fall foul of the confusion surrounding Brexit.



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Drauger unlocked (sad this isn't a troop) with Hyrrokkin next.


Seams to be a big model for 1m as she's riding a stone/ice wolf from the looks of it and is a Jottun if I remember correctly. Also sculpted by Aragorn Marks too.



Yep. pretty cool Giantess. from wikipedia
The gods then enlisted the help of Hyrrokkin, who came from Jötunheimr, arriving on a giant wolf with vipers as reins.



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And unlocked. Rather a massive miniature. Not sure how much I like it. I like each part separately (snake wolf is pretty cool) but I do tend to dislike mounted figures as they limit reuse in other games.







Light elves are next.



Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/07 08:06:59


Post by: Shadow Walker


Unboxing from Beasts of Wars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33VCu34d-zk


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/07 14:27:24


Post by: Ian Sturrock


Cool. Thanks Monkeysloth!


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/07 22:03:24


Post by: Monkeysloth


Light Elves have been unlocked and they're a really cool design.

Spoiler:


Sigmund as well. He's kind of turning into a werwolf so I'll attach and image.

Spoiler:


Utgarda-Loki is next.


I do find it interesting that the only god unlocked so far is Tyr. Makes me wonder if they're going to have another addon that will go into the all in for free to tempt people with more gods?

Also they've confirmed that the prices for MBP in the reprint survey are what's going to be in the PM. You can look over those in the link and see if there's anything you want. You could add that now to a pledge or wait.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/07 23:44:52


Post by: Nostromodamus


Skadi is another SG God, so there’s 2 so far.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/08 15:52:44


Post by: Wehrkind


I am pretty well pleased! Went all in, since I kind of liked the Greek Pantheon game, and the models were nice, even if some of the troops were a bit flat.

@Galahad: Regarding brain burn, the game isn't too bad for that. One thing I found though is that the models are really nice for Of Gods and Mortals from Osprey. That's a decent little game, if a little too simple, and the Mythic games provide wonderful models for it.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/08 18:25:45


Post by: Monkeysloth


Utgarda-Loki is unlocked with Njord on deck (and likely to unlock today). With them still hitting 2 unlocks a day I'm beginning to think that maybe Monolith has a lot more SG planned then I though (I figured around 25) as they're really not spacing them out too much outside of Hyrrokkin which is understandable due to the size. but the last 4 have been either 35k or 40k.

As for the Giant that outsmarted Thor and Loki, well....





I think it's a bit off, especially on the hand holding the horn. It just doesn't look like the horn is actually being gripped but placed there. A slight change to the hand and wrist (maybe angling it a bit) would make a bid difference.

the concept art in the spoiler is a better ovall pose
Spoiler:





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 Nostromodamus wrote:
Skadi is another SG God, so there’s 2 so far.


yes, I forgot about Skadi thank for the correction.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/08 18:45:31


Post by: Gallahad


 Wehrkind wrote:
I am pretty well pleased! Went all in, since I kind of liked the Greek Pantheon game, and the models were nice, even if some of the troops were a bit flat.

@Galahad: Regarding brain burn, the game isn't too bad for that. One thing I found though is that the models are really nice for Of Gods and Mortals from Osprey. That's a decent little game, if a little too simple, and the Mythic games provide wonderful models for it.


Thanks, that is good to know. The more the brain burn, the harder it is to find opponents.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/09 00:01:16


Post by: Monkeysloth


Njord unlocked and wow. He's really great. Hands down best in show so far.





Vidar is on deck


Vidar is unlocked. Pretty simple yet posed just right so it doesn't look awkward like the previous Jotunn.





Harald Hardrada is next. They're skill keeping SG at 35k


there's an announcement coming later today, might be a card storage box add on. They're also going to start showing off what's in the add on boxes starting today (friday) as well I believe.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/10 07:50:09


Post by: Monkeysloth


The announcement was that they're adding in a Solo game mode. There will be, for now, 2 for MBP and 4 for MBR that will come out at somepoint as Solo rules don't really exist at the moment.

Harald is unlocked. Who's an historical person



Just a nice, standard sculpt.

Varangain Guard troops are next who were the Mercenary unit he was in.



Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/10 08:22:20


Post by: Garfield666


Not a real solo mode, rather some self contained solo scenarios. Like the hunt for the Hydra, back in MBP.
Which is fine by me. I really welcome any solo stuff, but a true AI would be very hard to implement.
Darn, I swore to skip this one but I am back in again...


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/10 09:50:25


Post by: Chillreaper


Deleted.

I was going to mention Harald, but got the wrong one. Why is everyone called Harald/Harold?!


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/10 18:55:15


Post by: Monkeysloth


 Garfield666 wrote:
Not a real solo mode, rather some self contained solo scenarios. Like the hunt for the Hydra, back in MBP.
Which is fine by me. I really welcome any solo stuff, but a true AI would be very hard to implement.
Darn, I swore to skip this one but I am back in again...


No, they're doing something new. I suspect it will be similar to Conan's solo AI due to the similar board structure:


We will detail more about how the mechanics will work in the near future, as we need to be certain our direction is the best it can be. That will require more time and tests. Rest assured, our aim is to preserve the core combat mechanics of Mythic Battles, while creating an engaging AI and dynamic scenarios. We're actually aiming to offer our MBP owners a sample of this system, sooner rather than later. We already have 2 Mythic Battles : Pantheon scenarios in play testing, tentatively titled 'A Desperate Gambit' and 'The Heart of Cerberus'. Once we're happy with them, we'll share them with you.


Varangian Guard unlocked


Freyr is next. He's probably the most requested god so this will make people happy. Also the first SG over 35k in quite a while. I suspect with the weekend duldrums that this might take a bit to unlock.



They've also started previewing add ons. First one is Surt. I'll post a scale shot.



Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/12 02:02:40


Post by: Monkeysloth


Freyr unlocked.





Surprised he has his sword as he's not supposed to during Ragnarok.

His boar Gullinbrsti is up next at 50k. They're planning on listing some things from MBP in the next day or two and probably expecting a rush of new funds when that happens.

Also previewed Jörmungand. I know a lot of people want it to be much, much bigger but I doubt as many people would buy it at, say, $50 vs the $20 it is now.



Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/12 06:25:36


Post by: Gallahad


Does this game ever seem like you are just playing a 54mm skirmish game?

It looks like there might be so much big stuff on the board that the big stuff loses its shine... Basically gods only look impressive if they are surrounded by much smaller models.

That being said I really like the Varangian Guard and snake wolf giant lady. That one definitely sounds like something drunk vikings would make up.

"Yeah, but the demon wolf's hair is actual snakes!"

"Ok Harald, that's enough ale for you tonight"

The Jormungand is a big miss for me. It just doesn't look impressive on the table, just like a big ball of plastic. Curling up in a ball also seems like something a scared snake would do.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/12 13:51:22


Post by: Wehrkind


The game does sometimes seem to ignore the little guys, like the tanks in a Kaiju film. It depends a lot on the list builds, however. Some lists can go really monster heavy with lots of big stuff, others can go legend/hero/mortal heavy (I am conflating the terms with Of Gods and Mortals I think).
One thing that is easy to overlook with list drafting is that mortal units can be infinitely resummoned by their gods. So little swarm lists can be a giant pain as they wear down the bigger stuff, and you always have to have some of the little buggers anyway.

TL;DR Mostly it is just the gods and titans that are huge, with lesser beings scurrying around their ankles, although you can run a mostly big stuff list.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/12 16:53:27


Post by: Monkeysloth


Speaking of big stuff. Gullinbursti is unlocked and I have a feeling it's going to be mostly a love or hate model.






Princess Skuld the half elf is up next.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/12 17:04:37


Post by: Gallahad


Techno fantasy never works for me, and that boar is no exception.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/12 20:18:01


Post by: Monkeysloth


I don't mind techno fantasy but this is an odd abstract sculpture that I can tell is a boar but probably won't be fun to paint and is a bit too much out of place with everything else in the box (which I feel is the most important, nothing else looks like this by a mile).


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/14 18:27:11


Post by: Monkeysloth


Couple more unlocks and an new addon. Ymir was officially added for $22 but didn't seam to be the draw they were hoping as it didn't even registered in the daily funding via kicktraq so with 5 days left I wonder if they're just going to wait out the next 2-3 days and wait for the rush to hopefully kick in or if we'll see MBP stuff as add ons soon? I know Friday we're getting info on the Conan Crossover and price but that's not going to make a large bump either I would wadger.

Skuld is unlocked. Nice concept but kind of an average mini, i think it's just the odd way the spell effect is in her hand. A good paint job though would probably make this better.





Next is Hrolf, Skuld's half brother she kills. He's got a nice amount of personality.





Next is Bodvar Bjarki the Berserker. He has two minis as he shape changes into the bear that's been the stretch goal image for the campaign.





Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/15 15:33:12


Post by: Gallahad


I'm losing interest in this one by the day. I'm sure it will be a good game, but I'm not really interested in 54mm skirmish, and there isn't enough "wow" aesthetically for me to sacrifice something else to fit this in the closet.

I like a few of the sculpts alot, but there are enough that are not "must haves" that I think I'll give this a pass.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/16 02:35:01


Post by: Monkeysloth


Understandable. Don't spend money on something you don't need or like enough to justify the cost. It's why I didn't back Solomon Cane. Some good minis, in the expansions, but everything else about the game was totally not what I wanted in a boardgame and the minis in the main box weren't worth the price for everything I didn't want and that cost was required to get maybe the 10 I really wanted in a paid add on.


Some more unlocks











Troll on deck


They've also added a dice tray add on which is free to the all in pledge.



Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/16 03:31:46


Post by: Gallahad


Frig looks Friggin good! I think that is my favorite God so far. The bear also looks cool.

Funny you should mention Solomon Kane, I backed, then unbacked, then upped to a dollar, then went all in the day before the pledge manager closed. Wave 1 just delivered to me today!

Maybe by the end of the campaign there will be enough to temp me into this one.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/16 04:06:10


Post by: Monkeysloth


I hope SK turns out to be good. They really delayed it to try and get the narrative stuff working so it would suck if that fell flat.

The concept for Frig is great too.




Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/18 22:43:35


Post by: Monkeysloth


Last 24 hours of the campaign and pretty much everything unlocked. I was out of town the past bit so I didn't update.

first off is the Troll which is an interesting mix of rock (that trolls turn into in some stories) and the hairy Scandinavian designs of trolls. I like it as it's fairly unique and would be cool to paint up.



Next are some Huscarls troops. Pretty standard designs but nice none the less. The troops have all been really good in this game even if they are monopose.



Freyja's cats. Kind of giant Bobcat looking things. Like them.



Some Dwarves are unlocked. I would have figured they go with the named dwarves that made all the god's equipment as a hero set but we're getting them as troops. Like the rocks as hair and around their arms.



We got Odin's Wolves (in the asgaurd box), Freyja's cats so then there's Thor's goats.



The last of the mini unlocks is Angrboda, Loki's wife and the mother of a lot of the monsters in the game.



The campaign also hit 2 million which is a free giant storage box as all the unlocked stuff were pre-planned, as expected, and fit in the main box. It was meant to be the last Stretch Goal but they decided to add Baldr at 2,100,000 but there's no art or gameplay design for him.

They also committed to supporting the Mythic Battle games outside of Kickstarter, which it does need to have a good playerbase, which is something they've said in the past via comments but it's nice to see it in an update.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/18 22:54:01


Post by: frankelee


This campaign, for some reason, failed to capture my imagination. I'll get the core box, but my purchase is based on how good the game is and an assumption they'll keep it up.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/18 23:14:17


Post by: Monkeysloth


It's different then Pantheon for sure where I feel they took a very safe generic approach to a lot of things while with Ragnarok they tried to do some unique deisgns. There are a lot more things in Ragnarok that I love and a lot more that I don't like at all while Pantheon was mostly down the middle of that's a perfectly good design but I can't think of a sculpt that amazed me.

Also helped that the main reason I backed Pantheon was minis for RPG games. Probably doing the same for this as I only have the core and one Titan atm. With Pantheon I did the core box and one expansion but Asguard doesn't grab me enough to buy for use in other games.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/19 00:02:08


Post by: ced1106


> Also helped that the main reason I backed Pantheon was minis for RPG games.

Yep. I believe D&D drew more monsters from Greek mythology than Norse. Ragnorak also doesn't have as many different troops as Pantheon (11 vs 16), and the troops are 28mm while heroes and gods are not. More of the Pantheon monsters could be dropped into an RPG game, while I'd say the Ragnorak ones would require a little work.

The base pledge is also higher, $99 for Pantheon vs. $119 for Ragnorak. I would also argue that Americans, at least, are more familiar with the (number of) gods, heroes, and monsters of Greek mythology than Norse. And I suspect many KS delayed their 2020 projects for 2021, resulting in more than usual numbers of high-pledge KS.

That's not to say Ragnorak wasn't successful. But it's not uncommon to see on KS a creator putting a more popular subject first with a lower price, to establish a foothold in the hobby market.


Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/19 01:10:35


Post by: Monkeysloth


Someone in the comments of the KS did the math and Ragnarok was cheaper at $119 for the total value of the base + SG the Pantheon once you took into account inflation and purchasing power of the dollar as Pantheon was 6 years ago. So assuming the math is correct that's rather interesting as there are more in Pantheon.

Also Heroes and Troops are the same scale. Both 32mm in MBR.

I think all the monsters but Fanfir and Hyrrokkin (wolf snake lady) would be easy to slot into a RPG game. All the Jutunn could be giants or trolls for your average D&D game. The rest are pretty much giant animals, undead or ogres. But Pantheon does have some iconic stuff vs things that are just dire animals or substitutions.

Since I tend to run now days low magic games, like Conan, or looking at running some of the stuff out of Scandinavia , like Trudavang, MBR is actually a better selection for me.



Monolith : Mythic Battles : Ragnarok @ 2021/04/19 18:03:03


Post by: Monkeysloth


4 hours left and there's two more gods unlocked. Baldur and Silf. No art for either.

Current SG is more Jarl cards. I suspect if there's any more unlocks after those it will be more cards.


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Jarls unlocked and they added one more hero Idunn.

With 8 min left it looks like we're going to be very close in the same funding as MBP and possibly exceed number of backers.


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Done.

MBR: 2,434,045 from 13,315 backers ($185 average)

MBP: 2,668,101 from 13,634 backers ($196 average)

Not to bad.


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They've decided to scale up Fenrir to titan size and add an alternate head so you can have with sword in mouth or not.



Some more Jarl cards were added, Loki is getting a resculpt as well.

Also this which I'm not quite sure what it will be outside of some more units.

We will also launch a survey to eventually integrate some of the requests you made during the campaign into the Pledge Manager, as well as to decide, together, on the next Mythic Battles lineup. More surprises may come up during this discussion. We hope that long-time backers of Mythic Battles: Pantheon will consider taking a coin for the crossing.