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More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/16 23:13:56


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Some rather natty pins, including blind bags* - https://thekoyostore.com/collections/warhammer-40000/products/warhammer-40k-mystery-faction-pins

Let everyone know you’re single** with non-subtle tees and that - https://merch.warhammer.com/

And various others - https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/16/license-to-gift/


*Loot Group will be hosting a swap shop
**For a reason


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 07:40:55


Post by: greyknight12


I love how normal "custom" facemasks run in the $7-$15 range...but GW's are $22.50


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 09:13:43


Post by: Shadow Walker


Imperial jacket is really cool.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 09:29:40


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Kinda tempted by the Chaos one myself, and I do need a jacket.

Would get the Imperium one, but constant niggling worry someone might misconstrue the Aquila, and think I’m wearing a similar but entirely different..erm...thing.

I’m sure people know what I’m getting at, and why I’m not elaborating.

But the jackets remain cool.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 09:33:27


Post by: H.B.M.C.


The Nurgle face mask is just tempting fate... no... taunting fate, right?


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 09:33:29


Post by: Not Online!!!


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kinda tempted by the Chaos one myself, and I do need a jacket.

Would get the Imperium one, but constant niggling worry someone might misconstrue the Aquila, and think I’m wearing a similar but entirely different..erm...thing.

I’m sure people know what I’m getting at, and why I’m not elaborating.

But the jackets remain cool.


weren't the british party of a certain branch of totalitarianism wearer of lightning badges? So why should the double headed Eagle be an issue, especially because a lot of countries use thedouble headed eagle as national symbol or local town symbols?



More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 09:34:08


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


And don’t forget Halfmoon Bay. Their Mystery Boxes (£25 for £50+ worth of gubbins) are currently sold out, but hopefully they’ll restock before Christmas.

I’ve had....erm....four, so far, and have wound up with a decent collection of really quite nice bits and bobs. Some stuff peeps might consider more tat than collectible - but at least it’s quality tat!

If you’ve a Hobby butterfly friend or sibling you buy Chrimbo Pressies for, those Mystery Boxes might just suit.


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Not Online!!! wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kinda tempted by the Chaos one myself, and I do need a jacket.

Would get the Imperium one, but constant niggling worry someone might misconstrue the Aquila, and think I’m wearing a similar but entirely different..erm...thing.

I’m sure people know what I’m getting at, and why I’m not elaborating.

But the jackets remain cool.


weren't the british party of a certain branch of totalitarianism wearer of lightning badges? So why should the double headed Eagle be an issue, especially because a lot of countries use thedouble headed eagle as national symbol or local town symbols?



Yes. But still not something I could really be bothered to explain if someone entirely misconstrued.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 09:36:12


Post by: Cronch


some of the prints an apparel is nice, but there is exactly zero chance someone won't confuse you for an extremist with this design:


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 10:46:55


Post by: Olthannon


Maybe on the back they could put a little thing that says "don't worry it's warhammer not nazi stuff" and a big thumbs up



Even though I'd know exactly what that was about I wouldn't go near someone wearing that hat lmao.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 11:52:36


Post by: Horla


Cronch wrote:
some of the prints an apparel is nice, but there is exactly zero chance someone won't confuse you for an extremist with this design:

"No, no, no, no, no! Let me finish! I said white power ARMOUR, not white power..."


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 11:58:43


Post by: Mr. Burning


Oath Duty Victory.

In any other time would be...okay to be seen in public. Along the lines of an angsty metal or goth band.

In these trying times I'm not sure that Olive drab and dark caps with this motto on are hitting the nerd mark. The DW sweatshirt is okay.

The Polo shirts with faction icons are okay but I could imagine wearing one in a GW store and having parents coming over and asking what little timmy needs for his 'army mans'. Very corporate but that means smart and if they are a good enough quality I might be tempted.


The Nurgle church hoodie is good.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 12:01:47


Post by: H.B.M.C.


The problem with the T-Shirts is that they're far too gaudy and busy.

You can't just get an Inquisition shirt with the =][= on it. It hast to have other things. Can't get a Tyranid one with just the 'Nid symbol.

I want this thing.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 12:05:01


Post by: Overread


The White Dwarf cover shirts might be interesting, though it doesn't seem they are on sale yet?

The annoying thing is the shirts with art on would likely be cheaper than if GW were selling an art print/poster with the same art on them


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 12:06:00


Post by: beast_gts


The "Paint Your Own Space Marine Badge" caught me by surprise...


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 Overread wrote:
The White Dwarf cover shirts might be interesting, though it doesn't seem they are on sale yet?

The article says "early December".


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 12:22:26


Post by: Olthannon


 Overread wrote:
The White Dwarf cover shirts might be interesting, though it doesn't seem they are on sale yet?

The annoying thing is the shirts with art on would likely be cheaper than if GW were selling an art print/poster with the same art on them


Totally, honestly if they just had a few subtle things, a dark red shirt with the mechanicus cog on or something, some eldar shirts with the individual craftworld runes on, they'd be really cool.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 12:29:58


Post by: Mr. Burning


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The problem with the T-Shirts is that they're far too gaudy and busy.

You can't just get an Inquisition shirt with the =][= on it. It hast to have other things. Can't get a Tyranid one with just the 'Nid symbol.

I want this thing.


Polo Shirts at least are uncluttered, some tees available as well.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 12:31:19


Post by: beast_gts


 Olthannon wrote:
 Overread wrote:
The White Dwarf cover shirts might be interesting, though it doesn't seem they are on sale yet?

The annoying thing is the shirts with art on would likely be cheaper than if GW were selling an art print/poster with the same art on them


Totally, honestly if they just had a few subtle things, a dark red shirt with the mechanicus cog on or something, some eldar shirts with the individual craftworld runes on, they'd be really cool.


Take your pick -

Spoiler:


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 12:31:57


Post by: Mr. Burning


Horla wrote:
Cronch wrote:
some of the prints an apparel is nice, but there is exactly zero chance someone won't confuse you for an extremist with this design:

"No, no, no, no, no! Let me finish! I said white power ARMOUR, not white power..."


'Templars you say?'

'But Black though'

'Black...Templars......?'

'Its okay they hate everyone and purge anything thats different..'

'.....'


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 12:35:50


Post by: Platuan4th




Good thing the R is there, because that is a very unfortunate way to stylize an F.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 12:40:48


Post by: Mr. Burning


 Platuan4th wrote:


Good thing the R is there, because that is a very unfortunate way to stylize an F.


Your brain will ignore the R if you catch anyone wearing it..

/jk



More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 12:46:15


Post by: Platuan4th


 Mr. Burning wrote:

Your brain will ignore the R if you catch anyone wearing it..

/jk



Honestly, I have a feeling this one is the most "safe" to wear because there's plenty of metal bands that use similar enough fonts that the average person will just assume you're a metalhead and it's some obscure "not Slayer" metal band.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 12:47:30


Post by: GaroRobe





For the low, low price of 79 pounds, you too can look like Chaotic Jason Todd


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 12:50:19


Post by: Not Online!!!


 GaroRobe wrote:



For the low, low price of 79 pounds, you too can look like Chaotic Jason Todd


words never thought to be put to written form.

i find the selection, picked, hurm unlucky


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 12:53:15


Post by: Olthannon


beast_gts wrote:
 Olthannon wrote:
 Overread wrote:
The White Dwarf cover shirts might be interesting, though it doesn't seem they are on sale yet?

The annoying thing is the shirts with art on would likely be cheaper than if GW were selling an art print/poster with the same art on them


Totally, honestly if they just had a few subtle things, a dark red shirt with the mechanicus cog on or something, some eldar shirts with the individual craftworld runes on, they'd be really cool.


Take your pick -

Spoiler:


I mean they look like ass. I mean better than that


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 13:02:25


Post by: bullyboy


pretty sad state of affairs if anyone finds any of this merch offensive, there is nothing there. Stop reaching...


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 13:08:46


Post by: Mr. Burning


 bullyboy wrote:
pretty sad state of affairs if anyone finds any of this merch offensive, there is nothing there. Stop reaching...


Stop reaching? Its low hanging fruit!


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 Platuan4th wrote:
 Mr. Burning wrote:

Your brain will ignore the R if you catch anyone wearing it..

/jk



Honestly, I have a feeling this one is the most "safe" to wear because there's plenty of metal bands that use similar enough fonts that the average person will just assume you're a metalhead and it's some obscure "not Slayer" metal band.


I do actually like this one.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 13:13:55


Post by: Doohicky


Could somone link up the facemasks?

I can't find them in the store at all. I don't even need one but now I want to see them. haha


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 13:16:24


Post by: beast_gts


Doohicky wrote:
Could somone link up the facemasks?

I can't find them in the store at all. I don't even need one but now I want to see them. haha


linky... EDIT: but I don't think they're the official ones...

EDIT2 - Official link, but there's nothing there...


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 13:19:45


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 bullyboy wrote:
pretty sad state of affairs if anyone finds any of this merch offensive, there is nothing there. Stop reaching...


There’s a difference between us knowing what it represents. It’s quite another to recognise that out there, somewhere, there’s someone who won’t get it. And a further another to realise I probably don’t really have the energy to deal with such and set them straight.



More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 13:22:55


Post by: AduroT


beast_gts wrote:
Doohicky wrote:
Could somone link up the facemasks?

I can't find them in the store at all. I don't even need one but now I want to see them. haha


linky... EDIT: but I don't think they're the official ones...

EDIT2 - Official link, but there's nothing there...


I like the Not Today Nurgle one.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 13:23:50


Post by: Overread


I think they've pulled the facemasks off the warhammer merch store. Or run out of stock/moved them or such as they don't appear today.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 13:31:18


Post by: Doohicky


Cheers. Maybe facemasks are only available in other regions. Would explain why I couldn't see them.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 13:38:22


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


For those considering the Red Bubble ones, I bought four (not 40k inspired) ones earlier in the year.

They’re three ply cotton, and very comfortable.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 13:38:45


Post by: Overread


No, they were up there when I viewed the merch store before the other day.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 13:39:20


Post by: bullyboy


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
pretty sad state of affairs if anyone finds any of this merch offensive, there is nothing there. Stop reaching...


There’s a difference between us knowing what it represents. It’s quite another to recognise that out there, somewhere, there’s someone who won’t get it. And a further another to realise I probably don’t really have the energy to deal with such and set them straight.



That belief system you are expressing has its own inherent dangers.
However, I don't want to derail this thread from its intent so will refrain from OT conversation.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 13:53:22


Post by: Cronch


 bullyboy wrote:
pretty sad state of affairs if anyone finds any of this merch offensive, there is nothing there. Stop reaching...

You know what a black templar is. Johnny NotWargamer will see a white cross on your chest on all-black hoodie. You can blame them for ruining certain symbols for everyone.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 18:58:11


Post by: Don Qui Hotep


Gotta agree, first thing I thought when I saw a lot of these new designs was "kind of tone-deaf, GW." The symbols work just fine on the tabletop and in the fluff because they're contextualize in a onetime satirical, now half-serious grimdark universe. And there are plenty of people who are now unironically using those same symbols within our community to promote hate. That's pretty gross.

I joyfully painted my brother up some Black Templars last Christmas, because we both read Grimaldus and love that Chapter. But neither of use would likely choose to wear a shirt with just the Templar cross on it and nothing else. It's about being respectful of the larger context in which we operate.

This context will be different on a local level, and I don't expect much friction from someone wearing a Templar shirt into their FLGS and having a fun pick-up game. But if they stop at the supermarket on their way home, they are bringing that symbol to another context. I'd argue that most people in a random supermarket are more familiar with that symbol in the context of hate and oppression (or the Crusades ~ same thing! A joke, but also not a joke).

I'm not telling anyone not to wear clothing they want to wear. But you are responsible for the messaging you send to the world around you, so why not be strategic and not cause stress and uncertainty in spaces that don't need it?


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Edit: also not to derail: I do love that Necron Christmas sweater. I looked up some reviews of Merchoid, they seem to be of variable repute, some people being really unsatisfied with their service. Thoughts and feelings? anyone have experience buying from them? I assume GW wouldn't partner with an outright scam, but it wouldn't be the worst public gaff they made.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 19:05:55


Post by: Overread


It might be worth telling/reminding GW of this because I tink all they've done is take a load of symbols and give them to the merch firm to print on stuff. They've likely not thought outside the box at all.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 19:16:19


Post by: Don Qui Hotep


 Overread wrote:
It might be worth telling/reminding GW of this because I tink all they've done is take a load of symbols and give them to the merch firm to print on stuff. They've likely not thought outside the box at all.


Yeah, I might send an email to the customer service page. I don't think I'd have any new information that the most basic market research wouldn't reveal, but it certainly wouldn't hurt.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 19:29:00


Post by: Dysartes


Well, we do know what GW used to think of market research - hint, it wasn't positive - but that attitude may have changed over the last few years.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 19:29:38


Post by: Overread


It can't hurt and heck a simple "Warhammer 40K" logo or such on the shirts or near the icon would easily resolve most of the ambiguity and wouldn't be that detracting to a potential buyer.


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 Dysartes wrote:
Well, we do know what GW used to think of market research - hint, it wasn't positive - but that attitude may have changed over the last few years.


One hopes that that market attitude left with Kirby. Whilst he wasn't all bad (indeed in his early days his strategies really turned GW's financials around for the good of the firm and us), the whole lack of market research and the desire to even avoid it was a very bad practice for any firm; but especially one so heavily reliant on their customers to promote their brand and game.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 19:34:22


Post by: Don Qui Hotep


 Overread wrote:
It can't hurt and heck a simple "Warhammer 40K" logo or such on the shirts or near the icon would easily resolve most of the ambiguity and wouldn't be that detracting to a potential buyer.


Yeah, an elegant solution. Providing the necessary context.

 Dysartes wrote:
Well, we do know what GW used to think of market research - hint, it wasn't positive - but that attitude may have changed over the last few years.


Eep, yer right! I always forget about the Tom Kirby days, that was when I took my eight-year hobby hiatus. Lots of things I wasn't crazy about 8th ed, but it got me back in the hobby.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 19:44:59


Post by: Ancient Otter


I'm amazed they'd offer pre-issue 100 WD t-shirts that mention non-GW games.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 19:54:06


Post by: Gadzilla666


Still nothing for any of the Undivided Legions except for Black Legion? Booo gw, throw a Nostroman a bone already.

And to anyone who thinks these are too "busy" or "offensive", you've obviously never seen my collection of Cannibal Corpse and Agoraphobic Nosebleed t-shirts.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 20:47:24


Post by: Danny76


I like the chaos jacket. Looks really cool.
But way too much.
Christmas Necron jumper is funky.
You’d pay £15-20 for a Christmas jumper, that’d be alright


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 20:47:31


Post by: Yodhrin


 Don Qui Hotep wrote:
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
 Don Qui Hotep wrote:
Gotta agree, first thing I thought when I saw a lot of these new designs was "kind of tone-deaf, GW." The symbols work just fine on the tabletop and in the fluff because they're contextualize in a onetime satirical, now half-serious grimdark universe. And there are plenty of people who are now unironically using those same symbols within our community to promote hate. That's pretty gross.

I joyfully painted my brother up some Black Templars last Christmas, because we both read Grimaldus and love that Chapter. But neither of use would likely choose to wear a shirt with just the Templar cross on it and nothing else. It's about being respectful of the larger context in which we operate.

This context will be different on a local level, and I don't expect much friction from someone wearing a Templar shirt into their FLGS and having a fun pick-up game. But if they stop at the supermarket on their way home, they are bringing that symbol to another context. I'd argue that most people in a random supermarket are more familiar with that symbol in the context of hate and oppression (or the Crusades ~ same thing! A joke, but also not a joke).

I'm not telling anyone not to wear clothing they want to wear. But you are responsible for the messaging you send to the world around you, so why not be strategic and not cause stress and uncertainty in spaces that don't need it?


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Edit: also not to derail: I do love that Necron Christmas sweater. I looked up some reviews of Merchoid, they seem to be of variable repute, some people being really unsatisfied with their service. Thoughts and feelings? anyone have experience buying from them? I assume GW wouldn't partner with an outright scam, but it wouldn't be the worst public gaff they made.


Haven’t read bullgak like in the link to vice for a while now. Love the journalism of “we are reporting it with no evidence”. Can’t believe people still think, that Pepe the frog is racist, or the existence of a meme with Trump as Emperor is hurtful and demonstrates, that 40k fans are white supremacists (nice logic pattern, huh?). And what kind of a “free” world do you live in, where you would have to explain someone on the street, why you have an Imperial eagle on your jacket? Or the cross of Black Templars? And here is a puzzler for you: the BT cross is promoting hate, but real Catholic symbols don’t?

The Merch is fine, wouldn’t really pick something up myself- just not THAT keen on any of it. The sweaters are ugly though, haha
I wish there was a wider range of t shirts with WD covers on them. Well, with art from WD covers, the WD logo I can live without.


Once a symbol has been claimed, it cannot be removed from that larger context. You have the freedom to not explain your choice to wear those symbols - but to ignore that they also have meaning to other people that are not you is a bit myopic. The claim isn't that the symbols are inherently bad. The claim is that in a context where there are heightened instances of racially-motivated violence and acts of hate, wearing a symbol that has been appropriated by actual, literal nazis is - in my opinion - a legitimate point of critique.



Whut. We're not talking about legitimate, associated-with-massive-atrocities "hate symbols" here, where any and all former meaning has been washed away in the minds of the vast majority of people by its association with some massive horror. I mean heck, templar crosses have been used by various "unsavoury" groups for decades, from religious extremists to biker gangs, but despite that the first association the vast majority of people would have with it is either the actual historical Templars, or the Assassin's Creed videogames. Being self-censorious to the kind of degree you're talking about is...well, I legitimately can't find words to express how bizarre within the rules of the forum. Very, very, very bizarre.


Anyway, if we can drift back to discussing the merch itself rather than teetering on the edge of a Critical Theory 101 lecture: has anyone ordered any of the art prints? They're obscenely, farcically, outrageously priced for what are, basically, posters...but I really do have a thing for that 3rd edition Black Templars boxart. What sort of quality do you get for that ridiculous price? Do the larger sizes have sufficient print resolution that they don't look fuzzy? Is the paper any good?

I can just about talk myself into spending 60 quid on a poster if it's a really nice poster that will look good on a wall and be durable once in a frame, but TBH I don't trust GW not to be selling what is functionally a 4 quid band poster that will fade and degrade within a couple of years.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 20:56:17


Post by: zend


 bullyboy wrote:
pretty sad state of affairs if anyone finds any of this merch offensive, there is nothing there. Stop reaching...


If people can find it in themselves to complain about a miniature of a religious executioner wearing a capirote and a noose, or even the Nega Chin from Fairly Odd Parents..... they’ll complain about this stuff. I could also see an actual veteran getting mad about some dork wearing the imperial guard slogans.

But anyways, I bought the World Eaters sweater last year but I could go for that Eye of Horus sweater to wear to work this year


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 21:00:13


Post by: SnotlingPimpWagon


 Don Qui Hotep wrote:
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
 Don Qui Hotep wrote:
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
 Don Qui Hotep wrote:
Gotta agree, first thing I thought when I saw a lot of these new designs was "kind of tone-deaf, GW." The symbols work just fine on the tabletop and in the fluff because they're contextualize in a onetime satirical, now half-serious grimdark universe. And there are plenty of people who are now unironically using those same symbols within our community to promote hate. That's pretty gross.

I joyfully painted my brother up some Black Templars last Christmas, because we both read Grimaldus and love that Chapter. But neither of use would likely choose to wear a shirt with just the Templar cross on it and nothing else. It's about being respectful of the larger context in which we operate.

This context will be different on a local level, and I don't expect much friction from someone wearing a Templar shirt into their FLGS and having a fun pick-up game. But if they stop at the supermarket on their way home, they are bringing that symbol to another context. I'd argue that most people in a random supermarket are more familiar with that symbol in the context of hate and oppression (or the Crusades ~ same thing! A joke, but also not a joke).

I'm not telling anyone not to wear clothing they want to wear. But you are responsible for the messaging you send to the world around you, so why not be strategic and not cause stress and uncertainty in spaces that don't need it?


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Edit: also not to derail: I do love that Necron Christmas sweater. I looked up some reviews of Merchoid, they seem to be of variable repute, some people being really unsatisfied with their service. Thoughts and feelings? anyone have experience buying from them? I assume GW wouldn't partner with an outright scam, but it wouldn't be the worst public gaff they made.


Haven’t read bullgak like in the link to vice for a while now. Love the journalism of “we are reporting it with no evidence”. Can’t believe people still think, that Pepe the frog is racist, or the existence of a meme with Trump as Emperor is hurtful and demonstrates, that 40k fans are white supremacists (nice logic pattern, huh?). And what kind of a “free” world do you live in, where you would have to explain someone on the street, why you have an Imperial eagle on your jacket? Or the cross of Black Templars? And here is a puzzler for you: the BT cross is promoting hate, but real Catholic symbols don’t?

The Merch is fine, wouldn’t really pick something up myself- just not THAT keen on any of it. The sweaters are ugly though, haha
I wish there was a wider range of t shirts with WD covers on them. Well, with art from WD covers, the WD logo I can live without.


Once a symbol has been claimed, it cannot be removed from that larger context. You have the freedom to not explain your choice to wear those symbols - but to ignore that they also have meaning to other people that are not you is a bit myopic. The claim isn't that the symbols are inherently bad. The claim is that in a context where there are heightened instances of racially-motivated violence and acts of hate, wearing a symbol that has been appropriated by actual, literal nazis is - in my opinion - a legitimate point of critique.


I wish nazis would adopt logos of Apple or Google. I wonder how then the “claimed symbol” argument would stand. German crosses from WW2 look different, btw, just so you know. And the nazis haven’t used the two headed eagle. So those symbols are not the symbols you’re talking about, therefore your critique is out of place. Slayer T-shirts are a dozen times more risqué.


The claimed symbol argument refers to symbols that have been charged in the public discourse. It would take an awful lot of alt-right shitposting to adopt Apple and Google logos in the same way that templar crosses and swastikas have been compromised. My claim is not that there is an unilinear connection from German symbols in WW2 to those being used in Warhammer. My claim is that the way we see those symbols used, matters. This hobby is already fairly niche, and these kinds of subcultures have fewer internal defenses to this kind of symbolic appropriation - and the absence of top-down leadership reminding people that Warhammer is supposed to be satirical. The comparison to Google/Apple is not a valid one, because those logos are much more conspicuous.

You posit that symbols are value neutral. I disagree. I'm not sure further dialogue will be productive because we have that fundamental disagreement.


How would a warhammer fan use the symbols on the merch he’s bought to inflict pain and suffering through “symbol appropriation”? My position is not that all symbols are all neutral, I don’t know why you would think that. My position is that it bloody matters what symbols we are talking about. Templars haven’t used those exact crosses either. To generalize the way you do is just unthinkable. You think that the symbols GW used are charged, and that started the whole debate. I can’t understand why you would think that.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 21:05:19


Post by: LiftForSwift


This thread is like two posts away from being completely derailed


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 21:27:31


Post by: ZebioLizard2


 LiftForSwift wrote:
This thread is like two posts away from being completely derailed
Nope, it already has when you have people reaching from the beginning like this. We've hit full political when people already started commenting on certain things.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 21:47:33


Post by: Platuan4th


 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 LiftForSwift wrote:
This thread is like two posts away from being completely derailed
Nope, it already has when you have people reaching from the beginning like this. We've hit full political when people already started commenting on certain things.


It's not much of a stretch when we literally had a thread back when the OT boards were a thing where a member's date called him a Nazi and walked out because he had the double headed Imperium eagle as a tattoo. The way the average person sees things is waaaaay different from the way people involved in said thing sees them.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 21:49:14


Post by: hotsauceman1


Can they please stop putting the Aquila on merchandise?
I dont want to be walking around with a giant eagle on my clothes.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 22:03:03


Post by: ZebioLizard2


Yeah this aint really worth it too much. It's GW, they should do some better products sometimes rather then the cheaper route.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 22:11:40


Post by: Galas


Most of this merch is horrible. Overgaudi. Good hoodies and t-shirts are ones with stilized cool symbols and iconography.

I was looking for a good adeptus custodes one but they were all too bus.y


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/17 23:29:59


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I very suspect very little of this had any GW input except for art files and a check to see that they symbols etc are 'right'

most likely the merch companies decide what they want to make


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 00:43:31


Post by: Platuan4th


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I very suspect very little of this had any GW input except for art files and a check to see that they symbols etc are 'right'

most likely the merch companies decide what they want to make


People with no real monetary pull have more control over their Teespring products than that, so I doubt a licensed product from a multi-million dollar company has no input from said license giver.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 01:03:21


Post by: Da Butcha


 Overread wrote:
I think they've pulled the facemasks off the warhammer merch store. Or run out of stock/moved them or such as they don't appear today.


Hmm. The masks were a mixed bag. I got one of the ork ones. It is, hands down, the most comfortable mask I have. It doesn't have earloops, which is a godsend for someone who wears glasses (or hearing aids, I suspect).

On the other hand, the metal strip for the nose was waaaaay too long and wasn't fixed in place, so it could slide too far to the left or right. It could also flip over inside the mask, which was annoying. When being washed, it poked it's way through the fabric and exited the mask.

However, that made the mask even more comfortable. If the dang thing hadn't been so expensive, I would have bought five.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 04:23:02


Post by: shadowsfm


 GaroRobe wrote:



For the low, low price of 79 pounds, you too can look like Chaotic Jason Todd


went with this. i'd rather have the imperial one, but black on black is boring. fashion is the first step to heresy


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 07:43:00


Post by: greyknight12


 Olthannon wrote:
 Overread wrote:
The White Dwarf cover shirts might be interesting, though it doesn't seem they are on sale yet?

The annoying thing is the shirts with art on would likely be cheaper than if GW were selling an art print/poster with the same art on them


Totally, honestly if they just had a few subtle things, a dark red shirt with the mechanicus cog on or something, some eldar shirts with the individual craftworld runes on, they'd be really cool.

Yeah, put some of the more unique symbols/designs on there in a faded/washed out style and some of it would look good. While I don't want "maybe nazi?" symbols on my clothing (especially since I am a balding white guy and thus shave my head) I also don't want "Armored Sexy Lady!" or a Daemonette on my shirt.
I'd personally like the Baneblade diagram shirt if it didn't have the Astra Militarum logo on the bottom, same with some of the other ones...put the Blanche and other classic old artwork on shirts (without context) and people will just think you're a hipster.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 10:22:25


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Y'know America uses eagles in their symbols too.

Just sayin'...


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 11:16:02


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Y'know America uses eagles in their symbols too.

Just sayin'...


All about avoid confusion for the mook in the street.

As others have said, we know what a given GW related symbol means within its context. And whilst lines are of course drawn (say, a certain Eurasian symbol co-opted around the late 1930’s is a clear no-no), some can still convey an entirely different meaning outside of that context.

Now most people won’t be bothered, or even recognise the symbol one way or another, such as a Maltese Cross. But, to some of the public it will have strongly negative connotations, which can lead to misunderstandings and entirely avoidable arseache.

And let’s face it, left wing as I am, it only takes someone “with an agenda” to really make life more difficult than it strictly needs to be - especially if they apply that agenda to 40k as a whole, where they’ll no doubt manage to construe to find all manner of things for them to further object to and berate others over.

I mean, the whole satanic panic was a thing, and all based on utter, utter nonsense beyond “me no like book, me try get banned”.


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Could be worse though.

Could be the Maltese cross with the “purge the unclean” slogan...



More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 13:47:08


Post by: Yodhrin


But we've already seen how futile it is to try and preemptively cater to that sort of puritanism MDG - they turned the "okay" hand sign into a "symbol of white supremacy" based on 4chan trolling.

We live in a world of memes and social media overreaction, in the space of a day a very noisy - but objectively tiny - group of people online can decide a sports team mascot is a symbol of their politics, or that a polo shirt is verboten because Bad Men wore them, or as above fall for some trolls and make themselves look dumb but then refuse to back down.

I mean, imagine what tabletop games would be like today if everyone had just caved in to the demands of the fundies back during the Satanic Panic?

No, the solution here seems very simple and obvious to me - Games Workshop make the products they want to make, and people decide whether or not they personally want to wear them. If enough people actually care, the product won't sell and they'll discontinue it, and if it stays around then evidently it wasn't actually a problem.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 14:01:25


Post by: jaredb


I've ordered a Gloomspite Backpack, phone case, and a couple of t-shirts, I am probably going to order some more of the T-Shirts. I find that the shipping for me (In Canada) takes a long time, as they come from Europe, but I'm happy with what I've gotten so far.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 14:02:25


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Where my plushy Squig?

I want a cuddly Squig!


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 14:04:17


Post by: Cronch


I think no one here is demanding to stop selling them, we're just kind of amused that no one though that the plain white templar cross on black hoodie might make the wearer look like those other templar-cross afficionados.
Less of a "STOP SELLIING IT" more of a "wear it, but don't be surprised if one of them Boys with Pride gives you a funny salute across the street".


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 14:09:11


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Cronch wrote:
I think no one here is demanding to stop selling them, we're just kind of amused that no one though that the plain white templar cross on black hoodie might make the wearer look like those other templar-cross afficionados.
Less of a "STOP SELLIING IT" more of a "wear it, but don't be surprised if one of them Boys with Pride gives you a funny salute across the street".


Pretty much this! I appreciate it may not have been clear, but I’ve only been speaking for myself


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 14:11:40


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Where my plushy Squig?

I want a cuddly Squig!
I want a Ripper!


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 14:30:55


Post by: Esmer


I used to have one of these silly trinkets as a souvenir from Iran, which isn't even a bird...

https://asoodehdelan.com/products/genuine-leather-iranian-persian-farvahar-faravahar-bracelet-iran-pjb-f48gbr

...and people still took it for a Nazi eagle all the bloody time. I give the huge double eagle on the imperial jacket absolutely no chance of not getting constantly misinterpreted.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 14:53:38


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Where my plushy Squig?

I want a cuddly Squig!
I want a Ripper!


Squig, Ripper, Snotling. The trinity.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 15:06:48


Post by: Overread


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Where my plushy Squig?

I want a cuddly Squig!
I want a Ripper!


Squig, Ripper, Snotling. The trinity.


The fact that GW has still not produced rippers in this form is clearly criminal!

Also I'd say its a holy quadrinity or whatever - because you've got to have gryph hound!


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 15:15:31


Post by: Kanluwen


I would buy a plushy Gryph-Hound. Would be even better if they made a squeaky-toy Squig for pets.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 15:17:40


Post by: Keta-minies


 Kanluwen wrote:
I would buy a plushy Gryph-Hound. Would be even better if they made a squeaky-toy Squig for pets.


Take my money ! : D


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 15:23:46


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Does anyone actually know a plush toy producer?

Because surely this is a license just looking for a home?

I for one would buy many plush squigs of varying sizes and designs, so I could stuff a cupboard full of them, treating the next person to open said cupboard to a Squigalanche.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 16:08:09


Post by: Overread


Gryph Hounds
Rippers
Squiggs
Nurglings
Snotling/gobbo
Servo Skull
Giant Rats (skaven)


That's 7 off the top of my head that would work great as plush toys and would likely sell really well.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 16:14:03


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Defo a Nurgling!

So much potential!


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 16:26:02


Post by: Mr. Burning


Pumbagor Plushie next w/ internal recording chip.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 16:27:51


Post by: Horla


Noise Marine Bluetooth speaker


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 17:15:55


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


 Overread wrote:
Gryph Hounds
Rippers
Squiggs
Nurglings
Snotling/gobbo
Servo Skull
Giant Rats (skaven)


That's 7 off the top of my head that would work great as plush toys and would likely sell really well.
No love fore some nice cherubs?
...
No, me neither.


They should really make a Servo Skull webcam though.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 18:16:11


Post by: hotsauceman1


Plushie marine!!!!


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 19:00:09


Post by: Sacredroach


All right, I'll say it: Daemonette Body Pillow Cover (or daimakura).

Or Nurgling.

Whatever your taste.

And the things you could market for Primarchs...


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 20:50:58


Post by: beast_gts


 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
They should really make a Servo Skull webcam though.

They announced that a while back (including a personal AI assistant -




More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 21:26:18


Post by: Arbitrator


 Esmer wrote:

...and people still took it for a Nazi eagle all the bloody time. I give the huge double eagle on the imperial jacket absolutely no chance of not getting constantly misinterpreted.

I've heard it said if you asked a taxi driver in Nottingham to take you to the "Nazi building" they'd know you meant Warhammer World.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 21:30:27


Post by: shadowsfm


beast_gts wrote:
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
They should really make a Servo Skull webcam though.

They announced that a while back (including a personal AI assistant -




wow that was 20 months ago. i wonder what's the progress ... no its an april fools joke


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 22:03:58


Post by: AduroT


Plush Scarab.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/18 22:05:37


Post by: catbarf


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Y'know America uses eagles in their symbols too.

Just sayin'...


I'd like to point out that the straight-winged eagle design was almost universally dropped after WW2 because of bad associations.

I'm with Grotsnik here. Nobody's saying that GW shouldn't be allowed to sell it, but IMO it's a legitimate concern that people might interpret it the wrong way lacking the satirical context. I'm all for reclaiming symbols that have been co-opted by unsavory groups. I'm just not looking to fight that battle on a trip to the grocery store.

I'd totally buy a t-shirt with just the Mechanicus skull/cog, the Inquisition ]I[, or the Tyranid symbol. Subtle designs with simple iconography are great (yeah no not buying a t-shirt of Big Dude With Sword, thanks), just need to be cognizant of which ones have connotations.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/19 02:04:05


Post by: No One Important


You people have horrible taste. Plush Dreadnoughts. Big. Boxy. Should be easy to make and will love you eternally. Wants nothing more than to go back to sleep and get hugged.
And yet I haven't been able to convince any plushie makers I know to make one even at an extra markup because they don't want to make a new pattern. There's one I thought would go for it and makes really sturdy, hefty plushies, but turns out she has a multi-year backlog so I haven't even tried asking her.
I have needs. Games Workshop should fulfill them. Don't they want my money?


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/19 03:50:13


Post by: Carnikang


On the topic of Plushies, there's a good few online SMALL stores that can custom make plushies. And usually, if it's custom made, you don't run afoul of the whole "This is Copyright".

My daughter loves Bendy from BatIM, but all the plushies out there suck/are the deep gold-yellow and black. So we had someone just make her a nice sized plush of Bendy that's the classic white and black like the ingame cartoons.
If you look, I'm sure someone can make your Ripper/Squig/Dreadnaught/Nurgling if you are driven enough.

-Edit- I just read the post above mine, and yeah, the backlog and having to sometimes come up with a new pattern is rough. Definitely a barrier for the product.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/19 03:52:26


Post by: H.B.M.C.


The guys who make BattleTech are doing an UrbanMech plushie, so a Dread plushie to fight it seems appropriate.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/19 06:31:15


Post by: Theophony


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The guys who make BattleTech are doing an UrbanMech plushie, so a Dread plushie to fight it seems appropriate.


If you want a dread plushie just put an old metal one in a sock. It serves two purposes then .


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/19 08:08:32


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


 catbarf wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Y'know America uses eagles in their symbols too.

Just sayin'...


I'd like to point out that the straight-winged eagle design was almost universally dropped after WW2 because of bad associations.

I'm with Grotsnik here. Nobody's saying that GW shouldn't be allowed to sell it, but IMO it's a legitimate concern that people might interpret it the wrong way lacking the satirical context. I'm all for reclaiming symbols that have been co-opted by unsavory groups. I'm just not looking to fight that battle on a trip to the grocery store.
The Finnish airforce announced earlier this year that they were to drop their swastika insignia that had been in use for over a hundred years (i.e. preceding the nazi regime and atrocities). I guess they hoped the association could be reclaimed, but they finally gave up after having to explain the symbol's use for literally decades.


Thankfully, the fleur-de-lys has thus far escaped very specific bad connotations, so while people might wonder why you're a particular fan of the medieval French monarchy, the city of Florence or the boy scouts, at least they won't think you're a fascist for walking around with Adepta Sororitas-themed clothing, so that's something.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/19 08:15:21


Post by: Not Online!!!


 Olthannon wrote:
Maybe on the back they could put a little thing that says "don't worry it's warhammer not nazi stuff" and a big thumbs up



Even though I'd know exactly what that was about I wouldn't go near someone wearing that hat lmao.


It is eerily similar to another certain motto.

Allbeit if that wierds you out , never look up the german name for switzerland, well the official name.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The guys who make BattleTech are doing an UrbanMech plushie, so a Dread plushie to fight it seems appropriate.


a dread plushy would be the only loyalist to escape kitbashing into a traitor.


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/19 11:38:34


Post by: Nevelon


Not Online!!! wrote:
a dread plushy would be the only loyalist to escape kitbashing into a traitor.

Depends on the fabric used. You know any tie-dyed or paisley dread is serving the ruinous powers, spikes or not.
Theophony wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The guys who make BattleTech are doing an UrbanMech plushie, so a Dread plushie to fight it seems appropriate.


If you want a dread plushie just put an old metal one in a sock. It serves two purposes then .

Get a Dread plush with a zippered compartment for the old metal dread. Administer table-side justice with a dread within a dread!


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/19 11:48:33


Post by: Not Online!!!


dread ception achieved. Allbeit, then we'd want a chaos dread for the hidden weapon bonus damage for sneak attack right?


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/19 12:03:09


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The guys who make BattleTech are doing an UrbanMech plushie, so a Dread plushie to fight it seems appropriate.


Genestealer Stress Doll. A whole two extra limbs to tear off?


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/19 12:56:39


Post by: porkuslime


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Where my plushy Squig?

I want a cuddly Squig!
I want a Ripper!


Squig, Ripper, Snotling. The trinity.


I wanted a Nurgling for 2020


More Warhammer Merch revealed. @ 2020/11/20 17:50:32


Post by: BrookM


Pity that most of the pins are blind bag only, as Koyo's selection of pins is most excellent and of a great quality, owning several of their Siege operator pins.