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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Guess they're restarting with the Indomitus stuff as a base.
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Post by: Dysartes
...whoever did the page design for that site should never be allowed near an HTML editor again. Hideous.
An Indomitus-themed partwork could be interesting, if that's what it ends up being.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Oooh.
Wonder if it’ll be Calsius, or a new exclusive model (typically Issue 5) Automatically Appended Next Post: Dysartes wrote:...whoever did the page design for that site should never be allowed near an HTML editor again. Hideous.
An Indomitus-themed partwork could be interesting, if that's what it ends up being.
And yes. The layout was unpleasant to mine eyes.
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Post by: BrianDavion
now if only they'd bring it to north america
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Post by: Overread
NECRONS? Oh my I might have to get into this one (although the conservation side of me wishes that GW would produce two lines - one of magazine and model and one of just the discount models because gosh darn it I know so many of us are going to be buying into it and just throwing away the magazine parts)
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Wonder what the bonus items for the higher level subscriptions will turn out to be?
Mortal Realms had the better of those in my opinion.
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Post by: alphaecho
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Wonder what the bonus items for the higher level subscriptions will turn out to be?
Mortal Realms had the better of those in my opinion.
I was (still am) a fan of Conquest but never regretted not going Premium.
The Premium option for Mortal Realms gave me hope that any Conquestv2 would fare a lot better.
I'm in already.
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Post by: Dropbear Victim
Geez another one? Guess Ill wait and grab a bunch of issue 1 if it comes to Australia later like conquest/mortal realms have done.
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Post by: Danny76
Maybe some cheap warriors for people if it is Necrons.
I wonder if anything will change for at or issue number wise etc.
I think Mortal Realms was largely planned and ready before that had a lot of results in for Conquest.
This is enough time that they could make some changes and decisions etc.
Maybe content wise for Primaris they’d bring back some older starter set stuff for them as they still have those molds.
Do both starter sets to fill a few issues up etc..
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Post by: Matrindur
Danny76 wrote:
Maybe content wise for Primaris they’d bring back some older starter set stuff for them as they still have those molds.
Do both starter sets to fill a few issues up etc..
They also did that for Mortal Realms
Stormcast got sprues from both AoS 1 and 2 starter sets
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I wonder if they'll need a test run first meaning a small regional run of the first few issues like conquest and mortal realms did,
or if they'll be sure enough that there is a market they'll go straight for a country wide (or even multi national launch)?
whatever they choose I don't see it starting very soon as GW simply doesn't have the production capacity to churn out loads of plastic to supply them (especially as they're still supplying for Mortal Realms which is already on a go slow due to supply issues with the plastic)
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Post by: JWBS
The article speculates a start of early 2021, perhaps with regional trial and perhaps not. 2021 Q1 seems a bit early to me but I'd welcome it.
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Post by: Mr. Burning
I'd buy a load of issue 1 if it comes with Primaris. need some cheap Bladeguard or intercessors to start Primarising my Marines.
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Post by: privateer4hire
That’d be heresy, citizen.
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Post by: Ancestral Hamster
More importantly, there's a tax law that makes this practical in the UK, but not in the US. Don't know if said tax law is in effect in Commonwealth countries, but if so I don't see why they would include Aus/NZ but exclude Canada. (Although, follow the money ... if profit margin/tax write-off is not big enough for GW, then it won't happen.)
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Post by: Sgt. Cortez
Conquest seems to have serious delivery issues in Germany (probably because of Corona). Interesting that they're already starting a new series.
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Post by: Aeneades
Sgt. Cortez wrote:Conquest seems to have serious delivery issues in Germany (probably because of Corona). Interesting that they're already starting a new series.
They like to run them back to back to keep the interest up and Mortal Realms will shortly be finishing in the UK. I suspect that the launch will be delayed in Germany, possibly with Mortal Realms coming out first.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Sgt. Cortez wrote:Conquest seems to have serious delivery issues in Germany (probably because of Corona). Interesting that they're already starting a new series.
Conquest’s U.K. run ended a few months back, so I guess it’s a way to keep the cash cow a-milking.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Also fairly interesting that GW is still happy to dedicate production slots to low profit marketing stunts when their new releases and restock efforts are still hurting from lockdown.
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Post by: Danny76
Yeah I don’t think the news of this means it’s anywhere near countries other than UK.
Perhaps those that never got anything might start here.
But anyone that got Conquest, well they’re in the same pattern as the UK was, just however many months behind.
I’d imagine it’ll follow exactly, and get a trial as always (the main reason for that is the get the subs locked in and build its hype).
I’m all for the first couple of issues free like before.
A good way to get some kits from the starters that still aren’t available elsewhere, what’s left from Indomitus etc?
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Post by: Blastaar
Now if we could get these in the States.....
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
lord_blackfang wrote:Also fairly interesting that GW is still happy to dedicate production slots to low profit marketing stunts when their new releases and restock efforts are still hurting from lockdown.
Gateway product is Gateway.
See, Conquest is something pretty much any Newsagent can stock, and order in.
This gets GW an eye catching product that isn’t their usual turf beyond White Dwarf. New peeps find it, enjoy it, seek their local GW or FLGS, and from there the profit is derived.
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Post by: Overread
GW might be doing really well during lockdown, but you can bet most of those sales were to current gamers not new gamers. If anything recruitment might be way down this year compared to normal because lots of people won't have been walking into GW stores. Sure they've likely clawed back a load of old fans who suddenly found themselves with more free time and revisited the hobby; but new people is likely fewer.
So yep they still need gateway products. GW is very clearly aware that within the whole wargaming fantasy/scif-fi industry they have one big thing on their shoulders - recruitment of the market. Almost all the other manufacturers rely on GW to get people into the hobby and then poach off GW. Fewer have the resources and outreach options GW has to actually push to gain new gamers and expand the market. GW is aware of this; heck during their dark end times of Kirby GW was seeing very regularly how limited recruitment drives and loss of customer faith resulted in them bleeding customers out to other companies. Old World saw it happen to the point where what was once a flagship game almost died.
Granted there were other elements, but suffice it to say GW is wel aware that one of the most critical things for them is the constant influx of new gamers.
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Post by: Danny76
If they’ve made a deal with Hachette, they have to honour it.
And they could have shipped all that stock off to them at the start of the year to be fair..
We don’t know the ins and outs to comment properly unfortunately
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Post by: Jidmah
Well, some of the previous magazines never appeared in Germany while GW was in full lockdown, so I wouldn't be surprised if some of these are skipped due to a lack of models as well.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
If we can use Conquest and Mortal Realms as an example, and it seems pretty safe to do so, it’s not as if it’s unique stuff either.
In terms of GW’s production costs, it’s a single unique character sculpt, then just churning out what are otherwise stock items.
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They are having trouble churning out stock items, is the point being made.
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Post by: Ketara
JWBS wrote:They are having trouble churning out stock items, is the point being made.
That may be the case, but his point was that it doesn't require much in the way of dedication from the design studio or first step of production (having the steel molds made). Everything is already to hand, it's just a question of squeezing in manufacturing time. The trick is consequently just to align the product given away in the new magazine with the existing production schedule. So if you were planning on manufacturing SM Predators, then Devastators, then Scouts to refill stock for example*, you'd want the magazine releases to parallel that. Less time changing molds, less time wasted getting ready for diffent production runs. That way, you just operate the machines an extra day longer. Sure, it still means it takes longer to get around to other stuff, but assuming that you're prioritising based on existing stock levels, the delay should be manageable. It's all in the organisation.
*Yes, I know these are unlikely to feature in the new magazine being oldmarines. It was an example based on random products.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Or simply have a machine or two (no idea on how many machines they have) churning them out specifically.
From there, it’s shipping them - though it’s not clear if GW are doing the packaging with the mags, or if that’s perhaps happening elsewhere.
If it’s the latter, it’s pretty easy going for GW, as no need to await the right packaging for shop shelves.
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Post by: JWBS
Ketara wrote:JWBS wrote:They are having trouble churning out stock items, is the point being made.
That may be the case, but his point was that it doesn't require much in the way of dedication from the design studio or first step of production..
People were saying they're having production issues. "This is an existing product" (as with all the partwork products) doesn't really impact that fact, in the same way "They don't have to give away a pint of milk with each issue, which is good" or "It's good that global maize futures are at an annual low during the planned launch window" doesn't make a difference either. "They're having trouble keeping up" isn't solved by "At least this isn't newly designed stuff", is what I was saying.
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Post by: Ketara
JWBS wrote: Ketara wrote:JWBS wrote:They are having trouble churning out stock items, is the point being made.
That may be the case, but his point was that it doesn't require much in the way of dedication from the design studio or first step of production..
People were saying they're having production issues. "This is an existing product" (as with all the partwork products) doesn't really impact that fact, in the same way "They don't have to give away a pint of milk with each issue, which is good" or "It's good that global maize futures are at an annual low during the planned launch window" doesn't make a difference either. "They're having trouble keeping up" isn't solved by "At least this isn't newly designed stuff", is what I was saying.
Firstly, making molds IS part of production, and therefore part of 'production issues'. The delays GW has had aren't restricted entirely to old stock, with new stuff having unlimited facilities and manufacturing capacity. If this magazine had huge amounts of new stuff, it would be further susceptible to other issues in the GW manufacturing chain. The fact that a large chunk is old designs, and therefore gets to skip part of the process, is consequently relevant to reducing vulnerability to production delays.
Secondly, such issues as we are discussing can (as already said) be further reduced by appropriate organisation; aka reducing time spent swapping molds and retooling by matching magazine production schedules to regular stock production schedules. That's something which wouldn't be an option for normal stock manufacture (you can't magically transform one kit into another).
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Post by: totalfailure
Which is the main reason I think it’s unlikely to ever see these magazines in North America. I doubt GW has the production capacity to supply likely demand. People seem to forget they were having trouble keeping stuff in stock pre-COVID.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
When Conquest first debuted, and before that the Black Library collection, it seemed US posters weren’t familiar with part works at all?
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Post by: Overread
I should note that delivery of this product doesn't just affect GW's bottom line, but Hachette's too. GW might not "want" the additional production burden at this stage, but Hachette might well not be able to cancel the release so easily without it financially impacting them.
Plus they likely have a schedule like GW and might not have the flexibility to just move things around. Heck even GW couldn't really move 9th edition nor the Christmas bundles etc...
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Post by: JWBS
Ketara wrote:
Firstly, making molds IS part of production, and therefore part of 'production issues'. The delays GW has had aren't restricted entirely to old stock, with new stuff having unlimited facilities and manufacturing capacity. If this magazine had huge amounts of new stuff, it would be further susceptible to other issues in the GW manufacturing chain. The fact that a large chunk is old designs, and therefore gets to skip part of the process, is consequently relevant to reducing vulnerability to production delays.
Yeah, just as having to include a pint of milk with each magazine would complicate things a lot. Of course you could say "But they don't sell Hachette partworks with a free drink", but they also don't sell Hachette partworks with brand new exclusive designs either, so pointing out that they use old sprues, which is easier than making new sprues and so is good for production, is irrelevant. If you want a different analogy, you could say "At least they haven't chosen to include twice as many sprues than they did with Conquest, so that should save them some production " but it amounts to the same thing. Yes, they aren't creating brand new sprues for Imperium. This will ease their current production bottleneck in the same way that not doubling the sprue count will widen their current production bottleneck. Theoretically quite a lot, but since it's a thing that wasn't happening anyway, in reality not at all. If the discussion was " GW are having production problems, they seem to have chosen to produce many more Indomitus sprues in lieu of designing and producing new miniatures" then it would be relevant that they're using old sprues, but again this is not happening, so the statement "Using old sprue designs is good for reducing the production shortfall" is literally as relevant as saying "The factory workers won't have to work blindfolded whilst making these sprues, which will substantially ameliorate production problems".
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Post by: Sacredroach
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:When Conquest first debuted, and before that the Black Library collection, it seemed US posters weren’t familiar with part works at all?
Partworks? Not as such.
DeAgostini? You bet. I've got a buddy who subscribes to pretty much all of their products...Star Trek, Thunderbirds, Iron Man. Oddly enough, I don't think he did the Millennium Falcon. I've got a bunch of their 1/72 WWII aircraft.
But you are most likely correct for the vast majority of the US...partworks or build a model/collection via subscription is still a somewhat foreign concept (pun intended) here.
Mind you, should GW want to offer the 40k/ Aos and maybe a Middle Earth Partworks in the US, I would be one of those to subscribe to any/all.
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Post by: Ketara
JWBS wrote: Ketara wrote:
Firstly, making molds IS part of production, and therefore part of 'production issues'. The delays GW has had aren't restricted entirely to old stock, with new stuff having unlimited facilities and manufacturing capacity. If this magazine had huge amounts of new stuff, it would be further susceptible to other issues in the GW manufacturing chain. The fact that a large chunk is old designs, and therefore gets to skip part of the process, is consequently relevant to reducing vulnerability to production delays.
Yeah, just as having to include a pint of milk with each magazine would complicate things a lot. Of course you could say "But they don't sell Hachette partworks with a free drink", but they also don't sell Hachette partworks with brand new exclusive designs either, so pointing out that they use old sprues, which is easier than making new sprues and so is good for production, is irrelevant. If you want a different analogy, you could say "At least they haven't chosen to include twice as many sprues than they did with Conquest, so that should save them some production " but it amounts to the same thing. Yes, they aren't creating brand new sprues for Imperium. This will ease their current production bottleneck in the same way that not doubling the sprue count will widen their current production bottleneck. Theoretically quite a lot, but since it's a thing that wasn't happening anyway, in reality not at all. If the discussion was " GW are having production problems, they seem to have chosen to produce many more Indomitus sprues in lieu of designing and producing new miniatures" then it would be relevant that they're using old sprues, but again this is not happening, so the statement "Using old sprue designs is good for reducing the production shortfall" is literally as relevant as saying "The factory workers won't have to work blindfolded whilst making these sprues, which will substantially ameliorate production problems".
I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse or not, but I think we're done here. I can't be bothered to write the same thing three times when it doesn't seem to penetrate. Whatever you like guv.
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Post by: JWBS
Ketara wrote:JWBS wrote: Ketara wrote:
Firstly, making molds IS part of production, and therefore part of 'production issues'. The delays GW has had aren't restricted entirely to old stock, with new stuff having unlimited facilities and manufacturing capacity. If this magazine had huge amounts of new stuff, it would be further susceptible to other issues in the GW manufacturing chain. The fact that a large chunk is old designs, and therefore gets to skip part of the process, is consequently relevant to reducing vulnerability to production delays.
Yeah, just as having to include a pint of milk with each magazine would complicate things a lot. Of course you could say "But they don't sell Hachette partworks with a free drink", but they also don't sell Hachette partworks with brand new exclusive designs either, so pointing out that they use old sprues, which is easier than making new sprues and so is good for production, is irrelevant. If you want a different analogy, you could say "At least they haven't chosen to include twice as many sprues than they did with Conquest, so that should save them some production " but it amounts to the same thing. Yes, they aren't creating brand new sprues for Imperium. This will ease their current production bottleneck in the same way that not doubling the sprue count will widen their current production bottleneck. Theoretically quite a lot, but since it's a thing that wasn't happening anyway, in reality not at all. If the discussion was " GW are having production problems, they seem to have chosen to produce many more Indomitus sprues in lieu of designing and producing new miniatures" then it would be relevant that they're using old sprues, but again this is not happening, so the statement "Using old sprue designs is good for reducing the production shortfall" is literally as relevant as saying "The factory workers won't have to work blindfolded whilst making these sprues, which will substantially ameliorate production problems".
I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse or not, but I think we're done here. I can't be bothered to write the same thing three times when it doesn't seem to penetrate. Whatever you like guv.
If you're saying I'm being purposefully thick and unable to understand the basic points you're making (as I think you are), I'm actually thinking exactly the same thing about you, so a nice coincidence there, and I'm also willing to disregard this characteristic in you. Everything turned out quite nicely then.
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Post by: Mr Gutsy
If it is a new partwork miniature series i think it might be Space Marines and Sisters of Battle VS Necrons. They're all featured heavily in the newest 40k Cinematic trailer and i could definitely see GW using Sisters to try and get more women interested in the hobby.
GW also still has those ETB Sister of battle models from last years army box which i don't think ever had a regular release, that box had 25 models spread out over 4 self-contained sprues so it would fit in well with the 1 sprue per issue cycle.
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Post by: Danny76
I can’t see them selling sisters in it personally.
Not just based on one animation they’re doing.
Arguably Guard could be as well if so.
There’s a lot of sprues I think are wasted in not being reused.
Starter sets and such. But I don’t think they’d mix armies as such.
It would actually be a better way of doing it.
4 part armies for people that they then have to buy more to complete, as opposed to two complete ones.
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Post by: Overread
I can see them using Sisters.
They are sort of like marines but aren't marines and they can still pair marines with them every few releases and introduce people to the idea of allied forces.
I also think that AoS has shown that a single army marketing strategy that worked with marines was both a fluke, and also perhaps not the most healthy option for the company nor the gaming market. It's an "all eggs in one basket" situation.
I can see new GW perhaps starting to slowly push marketing on other factions, possibly through Sisters for the Imperium. Just to try and tease people off Marines. They don't want to stop selling marines, but perhaps encourage a greater portion of new gamers to consider other armies. Internally this would work well as more focus and more market buzz on other factions means less need to keep doing "faction rescue" investments.
The fact that side by side AoS and 40K have a comparable number of factions and yet AoS has VASTLY more diversity and spread of sales surely shows that Marine dominance is an oddity and as much a boon as it is a curse.
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Post by: laam999
Mr Gutsy wrote:If it is a new partwork miniature series i think it might be Space Marines and Sisters of Battle VS Necrons. They're all featured heavily in the newest 40k Cinematic trailer and i could definitely see GW using Sisters to try and get more women interested in the hobby.
GW also still has those ETB Sister of battle models from last years army box which i don't think ever had a regular release, that box had 25 models spread out over 4 self-contained sprues so it would fit in well with the 1 sprue per issue cycle.
I thought along these lines, but I wasn't sure how realistic it would be given how new this range is. I like the models but would never buy them unless they where in a deal like this.
I hope this is right, but I would prefer it was an elder force (not interested in necrons other than the void dragon) as I'd like to start some kind of force like this.
Mostly me wish listing.
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Post by: Danny76
To be fair they could go with something with an old model line just for clearing stuff and/or selling sprues to Hachette for pure profit at this point. IG...
And also on the sisters topic, I suppose as the magazine is called Imperium. It could be no Xenos races, and literally just various Imperium armies built up etc.. Automatically Appended Next Post: Mr Gutsy wrote:
GW also still has those ETB Sister of battle models from last years army box which i don't think ever had a regular release, that box had 25 models spread out over 4 self-contained sprues so it would fit in well with the 1 sprue per issue cycle.
They weren’t ETB were they? Just a monopose set like DI and other starters?
The issue still though with those sisters, is how much did that box go for? That you’d then get for £32 instead.
Not so much issue, but if they re made those sprues, they could just re do the box and sell it for whatever they sold that box for before, £100 ish?
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Post by: alphaecho
Being curious, I've just been on the Hachette website and a third issue is now listed with a price of £8.99.
The links go to blank pages but I seem to recall that a lot of new partworks seem to start in January so the ad campaign could be prepped and ready for the new year.
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Post by: Danny76
£1 more expensive.
I’m surprised they didn’t up Mortal Realms after the success of Conquest, but maybe it was too late production wise..
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Post by: JWBS
+£1 is mildly disappointing but the miniatures, if they're Indomitus, are newer than the minis in Conquest were. I'm eager to see what they do for terrain.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Just thinking, for peeps like us with existing armies, it may now come down to what is in it.
See, Conquest gave two full armies and a decent amount of terrain for £639.20. I can’t remember the exact saving over buying everything seperately, but we can probably look into that, but I seem to recall it was pretty healthy.
Imperium is indeed seemingly £1 more per issue (seemingly as we’re working on the assumption issue 3 isn’t discounted in anyway. It’s likely the case, but let’s be cards on table honest).
Assuming it’s another 80 issue run, that comes up to £719.20.
Of course, broken down into four week chunks for subscribers, it’s not a particularly massive £38 per direct debit.
With regular paints currently at £3.70 a pot, if they stick to two per issue, that’s gonna start cutting into any potential savings over the run. Whilst Conquest had issues of limited savings (as in pennies), those were outweighed by high savings, such as £22.50 RRP character models going for £7.99, and the £50.00 RRP Repulsor being split across four issues.
So, if the contents are largely comparable in RRP? That extra £80.00 across the run might impact the number of subscriptions from existing grognards like ourselves.
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Post by: Danny76
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Just thinking, for peeps like us with existing armies, it may now come down to what is in it.
See, Conquest gave two full armies and a decent amount of terrain for £639.20. I can’t remember the exact saving over buying everything seperately, but we can probably look into that, but I seem to recall it was pretty healthy.
I’d say double the cost was in it?
Imperium is indeed seemingly £1 more per issue (seemingly as we’re working on the assumption issue 3 isn’t discounted in anyway. It’s likely the case, but let’s be cards on table honest).
Assuming it’s another 80 issue run, that comes up to £719.20.
Of course, broken down into four week chunks for subscribers, it’s not a particularly massive £38 per direct debit.
Especially when it’s actually £36
With regular paints currently at £3.70 a pot, if they stick to two per issue, that’s gonna start cutting into any potential savings over the run. Whilst Conquest had issues of limited savings (as in pennies), those were outweighed by high savings, such as £22.50 RRP character models going for £7.99, and the £50.00 RRP Repulsor being split across four issues.
So, if the contents are largely comparable in RRP? That extra £80.00 across the run might impact the number of subscriptions from existing grognards like ourselves.
Indeed. I guess it will come down to if there’s more product value added. Or is it the same amount of product, for an extra £80 total.
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Did I do my maths wrong again? Eeeeh, I’m a daft happorth!
For Conquest, I’ll have to see if I can find a complete list of issues and contents, then have a stab at adding it up. But given my earlier maths, maybe I should palm that off on A.N.Other
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Post by: Danny76
I’d imagine a quick google will have someone who had already done it for us, then you can pass their work of as your own
There is of course then the Premium addition.
If they do it again, and if it is more comparable to Mortal Realms, which was a vast improvement on Conquests.
That would change the value loads potentially also..
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Post by: alphaecho
Danny76 wrote:I’d imagine a quick google will have someone who had already done it for us, then you can pass their work of as your own
There is of course then the Premium addition.
If they do it again, and if it is more comparable to Mortal Realms, which was a vast improvement on Conquests.
That would change the value loads potentially also..
For me, if it's Primaris vs Necrons, it would be a harder choice than Primaris vs Death Guard.
I could be persuaded dependant on the terrain involved but even if I didn't subscribe, Forbidde Planet never let me down for any top up indvidual issues I wanted. Three Plagueburst Crawlers, four Rhinos and many Blight Drones not to mention four Repulsor tanks don't lie.
Now that the Repulsor flight stand issues are only £3.49 from Forbidden Planet, I may now catch up with not spending that £7.49 on them in the first place.
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I'll second forbidden planet. Didn't want to subscribe to mortal realms and have been preordering specific issues. Zero interest in terrain, etc. Haven't been let down once. Automatically Appended Next Post: Delivery takes awhile mind but, you know, Covid and whatnot.
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Post by: Jidmah
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:For Conquest, I’ll have to see if I can find a complete list of issues and contents, then have a stab at adding it up. But given my earlier maths, maybe I should palm that off on A.N.Other
Here, take this:
https://www.fauxhammer.com/news/spoiler-alert-full-warhammer-conquest-magazine-contents-leaked/
The savings are quite awesome at first look, but at least for the DG half you would end up with a lot of stuff you already had or didn't want to buy in the first place (spawn, cultists). I mainly tracked down the issues with characters in them, the difference in costs is just immense.
That said, COVID threw a massive wrench into that plan, as Hatchette mostly stopped supplying stores with magazines and only send out issues to people who had subscribed.
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I think a lot of people aren’t going to click a fauxhammer link..
If you care to post the numbers on here..?
Yeah I stopped Conquest after about 20 issues (when I’d gotten the free gifts I wanted etc..)
Then I moved to cherry picking at Forbidden Planet.
I know I grabbed all the 7 or so DG character issues, the PBC ones, maybe the spawn too? Whichever hadn’t come by cancelling.
Forbidden planet was good because it was cheaper anyway, and then postage was one cost even though you’d order 9 issues that they posted you separately each release.
So worked out a good amount cheaper still.
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Post by: Jidmah
Danny76 wrote:I think a lot of people aren’t going to click a fauxhammer link..
If you care to post the numbers on here..?
They actually did a full breakdown on all issues and everything, but this is their summary:
Total Base Cost of Issues £629.20
(Not including Extra Binders of special items)
Total Value of all Models, Brushes & Paints £1101.18
(Not including the extras you get with a subscription)
Total Saving £471.98
(42.86%)
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Post by: Overread
If they did a subscription with Necrons and Sisters of Battle I'd not be able to resist; but if its Necrons and Primaris or marines I'll likely just end up poaching issues off Forbidden Planet.
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Ignore...
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Post by: Koveras
Overread wrote:If they did a subscription with Necrons and Sisters of Battle I'd not be able to resist; but if its Necrons and Primaris or marines I'll likely just end up poaching issues off Forbidden Planet.
Same here. I prefer fantasy than futuristic minis, and I'm currently happily doing the Mortal Realms partwork. I have no interest whatsoever in Marines, but I love nuns. If they released Sisters vs Necrons I would be in.
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Post by: Scottywan82
Dysartes wrote:...whoever did the page design for that site should never be allowed near an HTML editor again. Hideous.
An Indomitus-themed partwork could be interesting, if that's what it ends up being.
Agreed. I stopped reading after what I think(?) was the first paragraph. What in the holy hell was that?
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Post by: alphaecho
By the by, if anyone was after the Silver Templars 'Blade Oath' hardback novella.
https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/warhammer-40k-conquest/blood-oath/
It's now available from the Hachette site for general purchase.
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Post by: Horla
Anyone hear anything further about this?
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Done a bit of digging looks like it might be getting its trial launch next month. Look at newsstand.co.uk
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Post by: Blastaar
"Dispatched worldwide"? Can this be true???
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Looks like they do, from what's on the site,
looks to be £8.85 inc p&p to the America for this issue
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Post by: Horla
52 issues a year? I’m guessing that’s a standard holding text rather than the actual output. Was Conquest that frequent?
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Post by: Overread
Horla wrote:52 issues a year? I’m guessing that’s a standard holding text rather than the actual output. Was Conquest that frequent?
Yes, but they only sold it by weekly allotments for the first handful of issues. After that they ship in 4 magazine blocks for subscribers.
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Post by: Racerguy180
If I can get it here in the states I'd be very, very tempted. Its an easy way to build up my nephews Star Dragons(and for me to Cherrypick, any units before he gets them).
If they include Sororitas, it's an auto subscribe
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Post by: Overread
If its Necrons + other then I might cherry pick issues from Forbidden Planet for my Necron force
If its Necrons + Sisters of Battle I'll have to renounce my "no new army for 2021" resolution.
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Post by: Danny76
Overread wrote: Horla wrote:52 issues a year? I’m guessing that’s a standard holding text rather than the actual output. Was Conquest that frequent?
Yes, but they only sold it by weekly allotments for the first handful of issues. After that they ship in 4 magazine blocks for subscribers.
No it was weekly for the whole run for everyone except subscribers.
Any store who stocked them, and customers in other places who got them ordered in, everything came weekly.
I often wandered into Smiths for an extra issue.
But yeah point being, it’s a £32 (well now £36) drop each month.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Overread wrote:https://www.newsstand.co. uk/205-tests-magazines/30049-subscribe-to-warhammer-imperium-test-magazine-subscription.aspx
The link, she is borken :(
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Post by: Danny76
Interestingly it’s now “not found”
But when you search it’s there for 10/3, clicking on it is again not found.
Also as an aside. If you aren’t doing the whole run.
It’s better to subscribe through Hachette, It’ll end up being the first 2/3 issues free (all 4 in Conquest, but I think only 3 for MR).
Coupled with the free gifts, it can be pretty good.
MR I did the first 10 issues and got two sets of gifts.
Conquest I did up to about 20-24 (and then just bought the remaining 9 issues I needed for DG), and got all the gifts for it.
Now, this is the first one I probably won’t do, despite being a Necron and Marine player (which it 90% will be..?).
I don’t need any more stuff for them, maybe a few Primaris, but not the Indomitus or ETB stuff which it’d probably start with..
Though again, conversely if the Premium side of things is good like MR was (four extra starter factions basically), that was cool and enticing, though I didn’t do it, and you’d need to do the whole run anyway.. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Search Warhammer. But don’t click Warhammer Imperium when it drops down.
Loads search results and is there.. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Not bad.
And only £4.89 for UK posted.
This being a £2.99 issue, I guess that’s their postage costs, £1.90?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Seems it’s sold out? Have put in an email update request
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Post by: endlesswaltz123
No chance is it sold out, not due to launch until 10/03/2021, I'd assume this is a page created in advance that has no stock allocation attached to it yet so is auto showing as sold out.
I've also put the email request in, so we should get an alert when it is finally allocated stock.
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Post by: Aeneades
Sold out flag appears to be showing if they have stock in the warehouse or not. It let me place an order for the first issue yesterday even though it said it was sold out.
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Post by: arcanum
I managed to snag an order of it yesterday.
Looks like hachette registered the domain warhammer40000imperium.com in September last year it's definitely happening just a question of when.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
I placed an order for the first issue earlier, I think that "sold out" just means that it is a pre-order product that they don't yet have stock for. At least, I hope that it means that
Really looking forward to this, can't wait for the reveal of the contents. I'm really hoping that they include models from every Imperium range as it would be nice to get a wide variety of stuff. I'm also hoping that they don't include much Necron stuff if any, they are one of the only 40k races that I don't have much time for.
Edit: I sure am hoping for a lot
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Post by: Danny76
You guys ordering through that link you mean?
I’ll preorder during the trial period via Hachette. As they then reward that once your sub starts.
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Post by: Tavis75
Danny76 wrote:You guys ordering through that link you mean?
I’ll preorder during the trial period via Hachette. As they then reward that once your sub starts.
Also, people need to bear in mind that this only appears to be the trial run, so it will be a maximum of 4 issues and likely limited quantities (even subscribing directly through Hachette doesn't guarantee you'll get anything), it will also only be generally available in shops in some limited area of the country.
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Post by: Overread
Yeah I wouldn't rush to order on a pre-view page that isn't quite ready yet as there's every chance its just a placer and might get pulled and orders not honoured or processed or such.
I'm sure when it comes there will be announcements.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Danny76 wrote:You guys ordering through that link you mean?
I’ll preorder during the trial period via Hachette. As they then reward that once your sub starts.
Why not both?
Overread wrote:Yeah I wouldn't rush to order on a pre-view page that isn't quite ready yet as there's every chance its just a placer and might get pulled and orders not honoured or processed or such.
I'm not too concerned, I paid with Paypal so I have nothing to lose.
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Post by: Blastaar
It's odd that the page has been taken down. Hopefully we'll have more info soon!
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Post by: Overread
Blastaar wrote:It's odd that the page has been taken down. Hopefully we'll have more info soon!
Not abnormal. Companies often make store pages before they are required and generally speaking if the page isn't looked for people won't find it. When it got spotted and people started making orders they clearly didn't want it used yet so they've set it to hidden. That way when it is needed its all ready to go at their end and they can control when its used by marketing etc...
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Post by: Danny76
Tavis75 wrote:Danny76 wrote:You guys ordering through that link you mean?
I’ll preorder during the trial period via Hachette. As they then reward that once your sub starts.
Also, people need to bear in mind that this only appears to be the trial run, so it will be a maximum of 4 issues and likely limited quantities (even subscribing directly through Hachette doesn't guarantee you'll get anything), it will also only be generally available in shops in some limited area of the country.
I was under the impression that no one during the trial got any from Hachette, and just the local newsagents in Yorkshire or wherever it was.
They just collated the numbers of how many subscribed to be interested
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Post by: alphaecho
That's what happened when I subscribed for Conquest and Mortal Realms.
No issues, no charge and an email thanking me for signing up and with the promise of free issues if I did the same for the actual release.
Personally, I'm interested to see if the Premium is more like Mortal Realms than it was for Conquest.
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Post by: Tavis75
Yeah, I've subscribed to various trial runs in the past, it seems like pot luck as to whether you receive anything or not, didn't with Conquest, but I have received the issues for other trial runs before.
Usually you aren't charged for them so maybe it's because the other ones have been parts of larger models, which are pretty much useless without the rest of the issues, whereas getting 4 issues worth of GW models for free makes it worth trying to sign up for a bunch of free models, so they're maybe trying to avoid that.
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Post by: Danny76
Other trial runs sure.
But specifically Hachette? Or specifically their Ganes Workshop ones?
I think they only do the localized trial.
I haven’t heard of a single person, in any of the Conquest groups, who got them direct during the trial. Automatically Appended Next Post: alphaecho wrote:
That's what happened when I subscribed for Conquest and Mortal Realms.
No issues, no charge and an email thanking me for signing up and with the promise of free issues if I did the same for the actual release.
Personally, I'm interested to see if the Premium is more like Mortal Realms than it was for Conquest.
A premium in this would 100% be more akin to MR. It’s just not 100% that they’ll do premium this time of course.
It was one of the biggest feedback points that Conquest had premium not being worth it.
Then that came out. They wouldn’t go back to the older type, most likely drop it all together if they didn’t want to do that premium style again rather than do cardboard and such.
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Post by: JWBS
I subbed, got the first 3 or 4 issues for free, to my house (from Hachette I presume, since they're the ones I gave my credit card detrails to), got the proceeding issues too, had to resubmit payment details for a DD set up but that's all that was required.
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Post by: Danny76
Free issues actually during the trial?
Or you mean post trial you got the sub with the free issues? Automatically Appended Next Post: It seemed the free starter issues were for people who’d signed up showing interest.
If not, then that’s new info for me as I’ve not seen anyone with that scenario.
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Post by: JWBS
i dunno about the technicalities involved and what is a result of happening when, but yes I was a "pre-sub" I guess you could say (as far as I was concerned I was subbed at that point, as they took my payment details , they didn't just send me a few issues for ticking a box, there was a form of contract happening there).
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Post by: Danny76
Yeah that’s normal.
I just mean did you get it months ahead of everyone else (when the trial took place), or did you get it quite a while after signing up. As in a couple of months later I think it was.
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Post by: JWBS
From what I remember yes it was months after signing up and handing over payment details that my issues arrived, it wasn't within a week or two definitely not.
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Post by: alphaecho
I signed up when it was the trial and shortly after received the email that there would be no issues sent but I would receive free issues as a thank you if I resubscribe for the main launch.
I had to resubscribe though. I don't believe Hachette would just send the issues months later without some form of confirmation that I was still interested.
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Post by: JWBS
They definitely sent my free issues before I resubmitted my payment info. I distinctly remember the reminder they sent that I owed them money for the stuff they'd given me so far (this was after they'd sent several paid issues too. I'd had maybe eight magazines in all by then? Maybe fewer, but something along those lines).
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Post by: Danny76
Yeah that’s just like for everyone. Free issues. Re submit payment. Etc.
No one still then was sent the issues during the trial run (which was going on during the point you were signing up).
It was just the localised selling in stores in the north. Automatically Appended Next Post: Point being, if they do the trial again, it will be a few months after the website is live and you’re able to subscribe and what not, that you’ll actually be starting the sub.
Though that will be the time for anyone to sign up, as it will end with giving a few free issues to start most likely.
I think both other times, Mortal Realms you paid £8 (now it’ll be £9), and got issues 1-4.
Conquest might have been 1-2 came free.
Then 3-6 came for £24 (third issue free)..
So I’d expect something similar..
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Also worth remembering, in case of future hoo-ha, Hachette also do limited trial runs in newsagents, but only in a couple of regions.
Certainly that was true of Conquest and Mortal Realms. This lead to confusion when people in different regions couldn’t find them on shelf.
Of course, things have changed since then. First and foremost the GW partwork is a proven recipe, with Mortal Realms being evidence Conquest’s success and popularity wasn’t just a one-off. So there may not be the need for it. Second? My my my my Corona is still wreaking havoc, so any such trial may not be worth it, as with WH Smith’s and similar outlets being closed, the reach is limited. So they may skip that step this time around.
The question on everyone’s lips? What’s the Exclusive Mini gonna be?
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Post by: Billicus
Hint: it starts with "P" and rhymes with "Limaris Prieutenant"
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Post by: Danny76
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Also worth remembering, in case of future hoo-ha, Hachette also do limited trial runs in newsagents, but only in a couple of regions.
Certainly that was true of Conquest and Mortal Realms. This lead to confusion when people in different regions couldn’t find them on shelf.
Of course, things have changed since then. First and foremost the GW partwork is a proven recipe, with Mortal Realms being evidence Conquest’s success and popularity wasn’t just a one-off. So there may not be the need for it. Second? My my my my Corona is still wreaking havoc, so any such trial may not be worth it, as with WH Smith’s and similar outlets being closed, the reach is limited. So they may skip that step this time around.
The question on everyone’s lips? What’s the Exclusive Mini gonna be?
That was indeed the discussion in question. That when we first see it we will be signing up to it but not receiving anything yet.
But yes, I think both you reasons are spot on for why we’d might miss out on a trial.
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Post by: Overread
At the same time we don't know what market bought into the magazines specifically and we don't know the content.
Eg if its another marine/primaris focused half of the magazine and the majority who bought into it were existing customers then a trial would show diminished market interest.
However if there aren't marines (new armies) and if the buying market was also healthily showing new people then a trial might not be required. Since there's every chance of having lots of repeat customers and new customers at the same time.
The one big issue is the lack of the highstreet. My impression is that these magazines work best when they've several editions early on on the highstreet for people to get caught and buy into and then they shift ot the subscription model. At the very very best they might get retailers opening up in the summer like last year (so long as the virus behaves like last year and we see rapid falloff of infection rates through the summer), but even then there will be reduced visits.
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Post by: Horla
Are newsagents closed in the UK? They're open in the ROI as they carry newspapers - an essential service in getting information out. And White Dwarf.
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Post by: lare2
Horla wrote:Are newsagents closed in the UK? They're open in the ROI as they carry newspapers - an essential service in getting information out. And White Dwarf.
Some are... some aren't. To be honest, what shops are open is pretty random.
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Post by: Overread
Not only that but even if the yare they are getting way less footfall. Though they might do ok with supermarkets as they've remained pretty strong through the pandemic.
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Post by: lare2
In regards to supermarkets, my local Asda's been pretty good with Mortal Realms. Not that I've relied on it mind - preorders with Forbidden Planet have never let me down.
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Post by: Danny76
I don’t know a single newsagents near my way that isn’t open.
However, I haven’t seen many or any people in them when I’ve been..
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Post by: Aeneades
Newstand.co.uk just e-mailed to say they wont be receiving the imperium trial issues. Refund process seems to be a bit of a pain (especially as paid via paypal so should really be quick to automatically refund without me providing transaction details).
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Post by: Danny76
As expected.
I will expect the Imperium website with sign up to be around now too then..
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Post by: arcanum
http://warhammer40000imperium.com/ had some movement yesterday but so far its just pointing at a default Apache site.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Aeneades wrote:Newstand.co. uk just e-mailed to say they wont be receiving the imperium trial issues. Refund process seems to be a bit of a pain (especially as paid via paypal so should really be quick to automatically refund without me providing transaction details).
I just asked them for a refund and gave them my Paypal details, hopefully that's all that I have to do.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
So when this site does go live, will US folks be able to subscribe, or would it make the savings irrelevant once shipping, etc.. is taken into account?
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Post by: Aeneades
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:So when this site does go live, will US folks be able to subscribe, or would it make the savings irrelevant once shipping, etc.. is taken into account?
It’s very likely to be the same as the previous two and only available to UK and Republic of Ireland initially. It may get releases in Australia or parts of Europe later but US release is unlikely.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
Boo. Out of sheer anger, I will be forced to go buy a bunch of models and start yet another army. That'll teach them.
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Post by: JWBS
He has no reason to say any of that beyond the fact that Conquest had that release pattern.
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Post by: Ancestral Hamster
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:So when this site does go live, will US folks be able to subscribe, or would it make the savings irrelevant once shipping, etc.. is taken into account?
I've checked their FAQ. They do not ship outside of the UK, so no subscriptions or ordering back issues. (I thought it might be possible to pick up a few back issues of the previous magazine, but no go.)
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Hachette won't but Newstand.co.uk may work as a middle man when the real release happens as they will ship to the US. the reason they cancelled folks orders now is this is only the trial release which will be highstreet only in a small area for Hachette to test sales numbers and they've probably realised they can't get them
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Post by: Ancestral Hamster
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Hachette won't
but Newstand.co. uk may work as a middle man when the real release happens as they will ship to the US.
the reason they cancelled folks orders now is this is only the trial release which will be highstreet only in a small area for Hachette to test sales numbers and they've probably realised they can't get them
Thanks for the tip. I guess you mean this site https://www.newsstand.co.uk/
At the moment, although they list Warhammer Mortal Realms and Conquest in the search engine, they do not have any back issues.
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Post by: Danny76
JWBS wrote:He has no reason to say any of that beyond the fact that Conquest had that release pattern.
Conquest and Mortal Realms.
It seems fairly likely he’s right though.
Anyway, we’ve always known this would be the trial to gauge interest.
We just need to all get subscribed ready once the site is up for when the initial release does commence.
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Post by: tneva82
JWBS wrote:He has no reason to say any of that beyond the fact that Conquest had that release pattern.
Well sure 40k imperium might be first hachette product in us. How likely you think hachette changes their business patter precisely now?
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Post by: Horla
Hatchette have always had a weird business model where they restrict the weekly/fortnightly newsagent release to the UK/Ireland and then back issues/mail order is only UK and for some reason excludes Ireland. I don’t know if this is some weird licensing issue or because they like turning away business?
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Post by: alphaecho
Horla wrote:Hatchette have always had a weird business model where they restrict the weekly/fortnightly newsagent release to the UK/Ireland and then back issues/mail order is only UK and for some reason excludes Ireland. I don’t know if this is some weird licensing issue or because they like turning away business?
The cost of postage to Ireland rather than the UK for individual issues rather than a trade delivery via a newsagent supply chain?
If Hachette won't do back issues, do Forbidden Planet deliver? They never let me down for extrai issues I ordered. Additionally, they offered z discounted price per issue and free postage.
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Post by: Horla
alphaecho wrote: Horla wrote:Hatchette have always had a weird business model where they restrict the weekly/fortnightly newsagent release to the UK/Ireland and then back issues/mail order is only UK and for some reason excludes Ireland. I don’t know if this is some weird licensing issue or because they like turning away business?
The cost of postage to Ireland rather than the UK for individual issues rather than a trade delivery via a newsagent supply chain?
If Hachette won't do back issues, do Forbidden Planet deliver? They never let me down for extrai issues I ordered. Additionally, they offered z discounted price per issue and free postage.
Never heard thought of Forbidden Planet, could be an option for back issues. Postage from the UK is fairly reasonable, or at least has been until Brexit but Hatchette have been like this for years for all their products.
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Post by: DaveC
Forbidden Planet won't ship to the EU at present due to Brexit. They have also upped the shipping charges substantially to Ireland 1 issue of Mortal Realms is £7.59 plus £12 postage 2 issues is still £12 shipping but 3 issues jumps to £22. They also aren't shipping DDP so you may get stung for Irish VAT as well. With those shipping charges and the extra VAT you're better off just ordering the kit retail unless it's an exclusive or limited release.
EU & International Customers
We're very sorry, unfortunately we are currently unable to accept and ship orders to the EU or internationally at the present time. We are working with our shipping carriers get this resolved as quickly as possible.
Please be aware that when a package is delivered within the EU or internationally, it may be subject to import taxes, customs duties, and/or fees imposed by the destination country such as handling fees. The customer is responsible for paying these fees and we cannot verify what they will be prior to shipping.
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Post by: Jidmah
Not surprising. Getting stuff from the UK is pretty much impossible right now, I still don't have my DG codex because according to the vendor UPS is unable to get their shipment from GW through customs.
Multiple stores even refuse to accept orders for companies located in the UK (including GW) unless they have the product stocked.
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Post by: Sentineil
I've had a GW order held up in a German warehouse for about 3 weeks. Fairly frustrating.
There is a Forbidden Planet store in Dublin though, so it might be possible to get it through them directly
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Post by: Aeneades
The Dublin store is Forbidden Planet International rather than Forbidden Planet, actually a different company nowadays (They split in the early 90s). FP international no longer do online or mail order sales unfortunately.
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Post by: Jidmah
Sentineil wrote:I've had a GW order held up in a German warehouse for about 3 weeks. Fairly frustrating.
There is a Forbidden Planet store in Dublin though, so it might be possible to get it through them directly
Currently the fastest way to get stuff from the UK into the EU is by ordering it from a vendor in switzerland
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Post by: Mr Gutsy
Its possible they could be trying to bring the magazine series to America, apparently in June and July last year they ran a very limited 4 issue Conquest series to test the waters in the US.
I think it might've mostly only been available in Illinois though, the only information I've found about it are a handful of Reddit posts from people who brought the magazine and some Facebook posts from a comic book chain store called 'Graham Crackers Comics' that said they have issues 1-4 in stock at their mid west stores.
Here's the thank you letter which came from issue 4 that was posted on Reddit, the free gift for proving you brought all 4 issues was the 40k art book from Conquest.
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Post by: Overread
The problem with the USA is that the company basically has to scale up from doing one or two countries right now to doing the USA which is many many countries in size compared to the UK. So the amount of stock, logistics and all are very big and that's before you consider that not only are they aiming for general market, but the current GW market there will likely go nuts for them too .
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
plus a bunch of state law you might not know about,
like whether you have to complete a run of a serial product once you start, or if you have to accept returns if you don't
in the uk they can just shrug and leave you with part of a Ferrari or Titancic kit you can never finish if it stops being profitable
i'd imagine the states are similar as legistation seems to favour business over consumer, but unless they've got experts in all states they just won't be certain (and as we see from GW specifically excluding some regions/states from competitions sometimes local law can be a real pain to comply with)
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Yeah plus as GW has to produce all the model stock I can't see them doing that this year of all years. Perhaps on a normal year without corona restrictions and such.
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Post by: Danny76
Mr Gutsy wrote:Its possible they could be trying to bring the magazine series to America, apparently in June and July last year they ran a very limited 4 issue Conquest series to test the waters in the US.
I think it might've mostly only been available in Illinois though, the only information I've found about it are a handful of Reddit posts from people who brought the magazine and some Facebook posts from a comic book chain store called 'Graham Crackers Comics' that said they have issues 1-4 in stock at their mid west stores.
Here's the thank you letter which came from issue 4 that was posted on Reddit, the free gift for proving you brought all 4 issues was the 40k art book from Conquest.
It looks so much less professional than any correspondence I received from Hachette here.
Like their US wing is just one guy formatting his letters on Word.
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Post by: angryboy2k
DaveC wrote:Forbidden Planet won't ship to the EU at present due to Brexit. They have also upped the shipping charges substantially to Ireland 1 issue of Mortal Realms is £7.59 plus £12 postage 2 issues is still £12 shipping but 3 issues jumps to £22. They also aren't shipping DDP so you may get stung for Irish VAT as well. With those shipping charges and the extra VAT you're better off just ordering the kit retail unless it's an exclusive or limited release.
EU & International Customers
We're very sorry, unfortunately we are currently unable to accept and ship orders to the EU or internationally at the present time. We are working with our shipping carriers get this resolved as quickly as possible.
Please be aware that when a package is delivered within the EU or internationally, it may be subject to import taxes, customs duties, and/or fees imposed by the destination country such as handling fees. The customer is responsible for paying these fees and we cannot verify what they will be prior to shipping.
Sounds like a business opportunity for people on both sides of the Irish border to do mailbox services for people living on the other side who want goods not easily available on their own sides. We've got a lot of those in Washington (or had, before COVID closed the border for BC residents who liked to buy stuff online in the US. None on the Canadian side of the border for Americans though, because there's literally nothing you can buy in Canada that you can't find in the US cheaper unless you have a strange hankering for ketchup-flavored chips (crisps).
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Post by: Horla
angryboy2k wrote: DaveC wrote:Forbidden Planet won't ship to the EU at present due to Brexit. They have also upped the shipping charges substantially to Ireland 1 issue of Mortal Realms is £7.59 plus £12 postage 2 issues is still £12 shipping but 3 issues jumps to £22. They also aren't shipping DDP so you may get stung for Irish VAT as well. With those shipping charges and the extra VAT you're better off just ordering the kit retail unless it's an exclusive or limited release.
EU & International Customers
We're very sorry, unfortunately we are currently unable to accept and ship orders to the EU or internationally at the present time. We are working with our shipping carriers get this resolved as quickly as possible.
Please be aware that when a package is delivered within the EU or internationally, it may be subject to import taxes, customs duties, and/or fees imposed by the destination country such as handling fees. The customer is responsible for paying these fees and we cannot verify what they will be prior to shipping.
Sounds like a business opportunity for people on both sides of the Irish border to do mailbox services for people living on the other side who want goods not easily available on their own sides. We've got a lot of those in Washington (or had, before COVID closed the border for BC residents who liked to buy stuff online in the US. None on the Canadian side of the border for Americans though, because there's literally nothing you can buy in Canada that you can't find in the US cheaper unless you have a strange hankering for ketchup-flavored chips (crisps).
Those services exist but are now looking difficult to maintain with the new import/export regulations. To run officially anyway!
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Post by: angryboy2k
Horla wrote:angryboy2k wrote: DaveC wrote:Forbidden Planet won't ship to the EU at present due to Brexit. They have also upped the shipping charges substantially to Ireland 1 issue of Mortal Realms is £7.59 plus £12 postage 2 issues is still £12 shipping but 3 issues jumps to £22. They also aren't shipping DDP so you may get stung for Irish VAT as well. With those shipping charges and the extra VAT you're better off just ordering the kit retail unless it's an exclusive or limited release. EU & International Customers We're very sorry, unfortunately we are currently unable to accept and ship orders to the EU or internationally at the present time. We are working with our shipping carriers get this resolved as quickly as possible. Please be aware that when a package is delivered within the EU or internationally, it may be subject to import taxes, customs duties, and/or fees imposed by the destination country such as handling fees. The customer is responsible for paying these fees and we cannot verify what they will be prior to shipping.
Sounds like a business opportunity for people on both sides of the Irish border to do mailbox services for people living on the other side who want goods not easily available on their own sides. We've got a lot of those in Washington (or had, before COVID closed the border for BC residents who liked to buy stuff online in the US. None on the Canadian side of the border for Americans though, because there's literally nothing you can buy in Canada that you can't find in the US cheaper unless you have a strange hankering for ketchup-flavored chips (crisps).
Those services exist but are now looking difficult to maintain with the new import/export regulations. To run officially anyway! The mailbox provider doesn't have to deal with exporting if users drive over the border to pick stuff up. For me it was usually well worth a 30 mile round trip over the border because I could also go down on empty and fill up on that cheap, delicious subsidized US gasoline without needing to pay the 15c/liter spite tax that's levied on Metro Vancouver (ostensibly to discourage people from driving - which it might if the public transit here wasn't pitiful and the gas being so cheap not so far away actually encourages more driving on my part).
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Post by: tneva82
Jidmah wrote:Not surprising. Getting stuff from the UK is pretty much impossible right now, I still don't have my DG codex because according to the vendor UPS is unable to get their shipment from GW through customs.
Multiple stores even refuse to accept orders for companies located in the UK (including GW) unless they have the product stocked.
Gw at least seems to have figured how to do it now. Slaaenesh stuff came on time so seems dg was outlier
edit: And DG finally arrived in Finland.
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Jidmah wrote: Sentineil wrote:I've had a GW order held up in a German warehouse for about 3 weeks. Fairly frustrating.
There is a Forbidden Planet store in Dublin though, so it might be possible to get it through them directly
Currently the fastest way to get stuff from the UK into the EU is by ordering it from a vendor in switzerland
Tested? As it shouldn't work. Same procedures there. Just extra country to go through and more vat paperwork
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Post by: Horla
angryboy2k wrote:The mailbox provider doesn't have to deal with exporting if users drive over the border to pick stuff up.
If you drive and if you want to be in the car for a couple of hours just to save some money on some parcels. (Also, fuel is way more expensive over here, you'd be paying the difference in petrol I reckon!)
Someone will come up with a solution but I don't think collection points along the border will be the answer here.
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Post by: alphaecho
It appears Hachette have now removed Warhammer Conquest from their website.
Even more of an indicator that Imperium is coming?
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Post by: Danny76
alphaecho wrote:
It appears Hachette have now removed Warhammer Conquest from their website.
Even more of an indicator that Imperium is coming?
Seems so now yeah.
And a much better post to come see. Every time I come here I think it’s more news about the new mag, and it’s just conversation about Conquest or shipping to countries etc
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Post by: lare2
alphaecho wrote:
It appears Hachette have now removed Warhammer Conquest from their website.
Even more of an indicator that Imperium is coming?
Nice one. Thanks for the heads up.
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Post by: Warhams-77
So another test run at first or has it already started?
https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/my-subscription.htm?show=TGY&premiumCheck=1
1. Your Subscription
Standard subscription
Premium subscription
[..]
3. Delivery Address (UK and Ireland only)
Country
United Kingdom
[..]
1st Delivery
Issue 01 at £2.99
FREE issue 02
FREE Citadel modelling kit
Only £2.99
2nd Delivery
Issue 03 at £8.99
Issue 04 at £8.99
Issue 05 at £8.99
Issue 06 at £8.99
Only £35.96
Subsequent Deliveries
4 issues a month
PLUS 4 more FREE gifts
Only £35.96
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Post by: Aeneades
From the email if you sign up.
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Post by: Tyranid Horde
Looks like I'm getting more cheap plastic!
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Post by: Aeneades
Has the Sisters of Battle and Ad Mech icons as part of the logo, so looks like it could be a little more varied than last time.
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Post by: angryboy2k
Two pounds extra per issue for Premium. I wonder what's in the premium version this time. Conquest's was pretty terrible, while Mortal Realms' was good value.
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Post by: Tyranid Horde
angryboy2k wrote:Two pounds extra per issue for Premium. I wonder what's in the premium version this time. Conquest's was pretty terrible, while Mortal Realms' was good value.
That's something I'll be waiting to see before paying for the premium sub.
Anyone signed up yet? I can't find anything online other than the link Aeneades provided.
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Post by: Aeneades
Tyranid Horde wrote:angryboy2k wrote:Two pounds extra per issue for Premium. I wonder what's in the premium version this time. Conquest's was pretty terrible, while Mortal Realms' was good value.
That's something I'll be waiting to see before paying for the premium sub.
Anyone signed up yet? I can't find anything online other than the link Aeneades provided.
I signed up, which is how I received the image in a confirmation e-mail. The e-mail doesn't contain any other information though.
Warhams-77 found the original link which I used to sign up. Automatically Appended Next Post: http://warhammer40000imperium.com/ has now changed from a test site to a maintenance message so may also be launching soon.
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Post by: Overread
Hmm Primaris might JUST have me able to avoid this. However I'm concerned about Ad Mech and Sisters appearing in the logo. Will just have to wait until we get confirmation of what its all going to be for me.
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Post by: Matrindur
Interesting that they only show Ultramarines, Admech and Sisters in the logo but also have Necrons here, so maybe the Indomitus sprues for the first issues and other Imperium stuff after that?
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Post by: TalonZahn
This isn't available in the U.S. correct?
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Post by: tneva82
So far hachette availability in us been non-existant(generally rare outside uk in general) so odds are this won't be exception
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Post by: Tyranid Horde
If you click the link to order your subscription, you'll see it is limited to the UK and Ireland only. Brexit may throw a spanner in the works for Irish customers though.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
£8.99 per issue, or £10.99 for Premium.
Currently no info on the Premium contents, nor how many issues.
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Post by: endlesswaltz123
Matrindur wrote:
Interesting that they only show Ultramarines, Admech and Sisters in the logo but also have Necrons here, so maybe the Indomitus sprues for the first issues and other Imperium stuff after that?
You can see quite clearly that necron warriors are in issue 2, and I assume 1 destroyer in 4.
I've ordered the standard subscription, but will contact customer services to upgrade to premium if it is worth it.
I'm sort of hoping premium is not models, but paint so won't bother with it.
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Post by: tneva82
Maybe premium has sob etc like mortal realm premium had fec etc groups(with archregent without separate release known at the time)
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Post by: dumb_numpty
Looks like either the Primaris Captain or some Bladeguard for issue 1 (I see a halo) and a sprue of 5? Assault Intercessors for Issue 4
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Looks like 3 Skorpekh Destroyers in issue 4.
And I can just make our what may be an Iron Halo in Issue 1?
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Post by: Tyranid Horde
If the edges of the minis are anything to go by, it could be Primaris Lt or Captain and maybe some ass intercessors for issue one, Necron warriors for issue two, issue three looks like 5 ass intercessors and issue 4 looks like the scorpehk tripods.
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Post by: endlesswaltz123
I think it will be 3x assault intercessors for issue 4, there must be a 3x man sprue floating around as that is what is in the one paint set.
Next big question is, are these especially made ETB kits, and by that I mean more so than what is in indomitus?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:£8.99 per issue, or £10.99 for Premium.
Currently no info on the Premium contents, nor how many issues.
if you click on the Premium subscrtion the contents say
4 issues a month
PLUS 4 more FREE gifts
PLUS your 4 premium kits! (this is not in the standard one so I wonder what they are)
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Post by: Theophony
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:£8.99 per issue, or £10.99 for Premium.
Currently no info on the Premium contents, nor how many issues.
if you click on the Premium subscrtion the contents say
4 issues a month
PLUS 4 more FREE gifts
PLUS your 4 premium kits! (this is not in the standard one so I wonder what they are)
I wonder if the 4 premium kits will be the Royal Warden, The Blade Guard Captain, LT, and the Overlord
I will laugh really hard if they put in the sprues that just got re-released separately for $110 and $140
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Theophony wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:£8.99 per issue, or £10.99 for Premium.
Currently no info on the Premium contents, nor how many issues.
if you click on the Premium subscrtion the contents say
4 issues a month
PLUS 4 more FREE gifts
PLUS your 4 premium kits! (this is not in the standard one so I wonder what they are)
I wonder if the 4 premium kits will be the Royal Warden, The Blade Guard Captain, LT, and the Overlord
I will laugh really hard if they put in the sprues that just got re-released separately for $110 and $140
Very unlikely. AoS got Battalion equivalents for four different armies. But, for Conquest it was just relatively random books.
I’m holding off on a sub until I know more about those premium gifts and the issue contents. I’ve got three sets worth of Indomitus Necrons as it is, and I’m not particularly fussed for the Marines.
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Post by: Aeneades
The marines from issue 1 are the 3 Assault Intercessors from the paint set. I wouldn’t be surprised if the issue also had the 3 Necrons from the paint sets so that you can get playing straight away.
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Post by: Overread
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Theophony wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:£8.99 per issue, or £10.99 for Premium.
Currently no info on the Premium contents, nor how many issues.
if you click on the Premium subscrtion the contents say
4 issues a month
PLUS 4 more FREE gifts
PLUS your 4 premium kits! (this is not in the standard one so I wonder what they are)
I wonder if the 4 premium kits will be the Royal Warden, The Blade Guard Captain, LT, and the Overlord
I will laugh really hard if they put in the sprues that just got re-released separately for $110 and $140
Very unlikely. AoS got Battalion equivalents for four different armies. But, for Conquest it was just relatively random books.
I’m holding off on a sub until I know more about those premium gifts and the issue contents. I’ve got three sets worth of Indomitus Necrons as it is, and I’m not particularly fussed for the Marines.
Same here.
I want to see what's coming and then make a choice. If it turns out to be mostly Marines VS Necrons then chances are I'll just pick up odd issues for the Necron stuff from Forbidden Planet because I won't want the marine stuff and, whilst you can turn a nice profit selling excess, I don't want the hassle of it all. If its going to be Marines+Others I might get tempted in. It depends if the Sisters and Admech are going to be the special extra stuff (so basically a getting started set) or if they are going to be sharing the release equal weight with the marines.
We'll just have to see what turns up. Gw have been good in the past at showing the full contents of models, terrain and all so I've no doubt we'll see a huge community spread at some stage showing it all off.
Plus also the likely "exclusive" model(s)
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Post by: Danny76
So we are assuming this is the sign up that will then end up saying “oh that was a trial, we’ll keep you informed”
Ineviatably leading to the first bits free, when they contact again about actually starting it.
We still haven’t had the local in store up north bit, which in the last is when you could sign up for it..
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Danny76 wrote:So we are assuming this is the sign up that will then end up saying “oh that was a trial, we’ll keep you informed”
Ineviatably leading to the first bits free, when they contact again about actually starting it.
We still haven’t had the local in store up north bit, which in the last is when you could sign up for it..
It’s not certain there is a trial this time around, as their GW collaborations have certainly proven popular. Plus, previous trial runs were for the first four issues, but this mentions two deliveries covering six issues, with a hobby kit free gift in the first.
The above info of course isn’t conclusive either way, being more anecdote that solid data
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Post by: Danny76
Of course, I just mean if they do the trial.
I’m sure you’re wrong there.
One of the two also did an issue 1-2 and 3-6 when I subscribed, at trial point with both.
I’m sure it was Conquest.
As it was delivery one free.
Delivery two £24 (as issue 3 was free)
Delivery three £32 as standard.
Something like that.
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Post by: alphaecho
Aeneades wrote:The marines from issue 1 are the 3 Assault Intercessors from the paint set. I wouldn’t be surprised if the issue also had the 3 Necrons from the paint sets so that you can get playing straight away.
Hopefully.
Conquest issue 1 was Primaris and paint but no Death Guard.
Mortal Realms 1 was Stormcast and Gaunts, leaving the paint until later.
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Post by: Tavis75
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Danny76 wrote:So we are assuming this is the sign up that will then end up saying “oh that was a trial, we’ll keep you informed”
Ineviatably leading to the first bits free, when they contact again about actually starting it.
We still haven’t had the local in store up north bit, which in the last is when you could sign up for it..
It’s not certain there is a trial this time around, as their GW collaborations have certainly proven popular. Plus, previous trial runs were for the first four issues, but this mentions two deliveries covering six issues, with a hobby kit free gift in the first.
The above info of course isn’t conclusive either way, being more anecdote that solid data
Is Mortal Realms still running? I would assume they wouldn't launch this until it completes, so if it isn't finished yet I would assume this is a trial.
I am tempted, have been putting together a force of Necrons recently, and my subscription to Hachette's Build the Terminator T-800 is getting close to the end.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Conquest is done and dusted, but Mortal Realms is on issue 54 of 80
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Post by: Danny76
Which tracks with last time.
Mortal Realms launched while Conquest was still ongoing.
Maybe around this point also? Though I can’t really remember how many issues in it was..
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Post by: Tavis75
Danny76 wrote:Which tracks with last time.
Mortal Realms launched while Conquest was still ongoing.
Maybe around this point also? Though I can’t really remember how many issues in it was..
Was that the trial launch or the real launch?
Looks like Mortal Realms is about 6 months away from finishing, so seems about the right time for the trial launch of Imperium, with a full launch when Mortal Realms ends, or did Conquest and Mortal Realms actually overlap?
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Post by: ZeroOne
Tavis75 wrote:Danny76 wrote:Which tracks with last time.
Mortal Realms launched while Conquest was still ongoing.
Maybe around this point also? Though I can’t really remember how many issues in it was..
Was that the trial launch or the real launch?
Looks like Mortal Realms is about 6 months away from finishing, so seems about the right time for the trial launch of Imperium, with a full launch when Mortal Realms ends, or did Conquest and Mortal Realms actually overlap?
I believe Mortal Realms began its full release around the mid 70's of Conquests run, as I remember getting the Mortal Reams special character in my local Tescos before I had received the final issues of Conquest.
So there was an overlap, but nothing too drastic.
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Post by: Dysartes
Yeah, there was definite overlap between the two previous magazines.
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Post by: endlesswaltz123
Dear -,
Welcome and thank you for your subscription to WARHAMMER IMPERIUM
Subscription number: -
Please quote this when you contact us so we can deal with your request quickly
Starting issue: Issue 1
Subscription type: Standard
Delivery & Gift Information
1- Please allow 28 days from the acceptance of your order for delivery.
2- You will receive your FREE issue and FREE Citadel modelling kit with your 1st delivery.
3- You will receive 4 issues every 4 weeks delivered directly to your door (in exceptional circumstances, the content of your despatches may differ).
4- You will receive your FREE Warhammer 40,000: Imperium binder with your 3rd delivery.
5- You will receive your FREE essential Citadel paint brush set with your 4th delivery.
6- You will receive your FREE essential Citadel painting handle with your 5th delivery.
7- You will receive your FREE set of art prints with your 7th delivery.
Email received this morning detailing the standard subscription, I assume the premium subscription confirmations will be sent out shortly as well detailing exactly what you get extra.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Well....no premium for me then!
Wait. Scratch that. Those are Subscriber Gifts, not Premium Content.
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Post by: Tavis75
Dysartes wrote:Yeah, there was definite overlap between the two previous magazines.
That surprises me, you would have thought there would be an overlap between people who would be interested in subscribing, but subscribing to both at once is fairly pricey (says someone who's currently subscribed to 4 different part-work magazines!) and would seem to cut down on the number of people who would subscribe, whereas if one followed on from the other they could even target Conquest subscribers as their subscription ended, who would seem to be more likely to go with the new subscription as they're already used to paying out the cost each month.
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Post by: Danny76
Waiting on premium content, and full 80 issue list ideally
I don’t want to do this magazine of course.
Firstly not needing any more Necrons or Marines..
Secondly, just having enough stuff in general.
Gifts are exactly as before really. Not bad, but unnecessary for most of us.. Automatically Appended Next Post: So in boredom, I decided to watch the ol’ click bait YouTube from the other closed thread.
Random insight to a lesser level than some of us can/have deduced really..
One thing, he pronounces Hachette two different ways in it.
And that got me thinking, how are you guys pronouncing it?
He said Ha-Shay first and then Hatchet like the axe later, both of which to me weren’t right anyway.
Ha-Shet (like get) is clearly the correct way.
But he also had dubious pronunciation anyway.
Sororitas was missing an R, but even adding in I wouldn’t be saying it that way.
Sore-ee-ah-tus
Each to their own I suppose, but if you’re pushing a channel I’d endeavour to get them right..
And that’s my thought of the day
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Post by: Aeneades
http://warhammer40000imperium.com is live. Premium issues are Chaos Marines (some but not all models from Shadowspear), Tyranids, Tau and Orks.
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Post by: Overread
Hmm I might just be able to resist this. Though the greyscale image is a little tricky to tell some of the contents.
Necrons looks like:
Indomitus set
Canoptek Wraiths
Spyder
Stalker
Comand Barge
Tomb Blades
Heavy Destroyer
Flayed Ones
Cryptetek (spider one)
? New Destroyer model ? Destroyer Lord?
Things I'd be more tempted to grab as single stand alone issues for what I need since I'm already sitting on several Indomitus sets.
If it had been almost all SoB on the other half i'd have likely jumped on it, but as it stands I'm more likely to keep an eye on the secondhand market and Forbidden planet
Also no mention of exclusive sculpts?
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Post by: NAVARRO
Can anyone spot the Judiciar? Cannot find him.
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Post by: Overread
WAIT I think the Necons only have one Destroyer and it looks different - could that be a new Destoryer LORD model!
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
Welp, looked at the website, looked at the Premium stuff and shrugged. I know I'm out of 40k at the moment but at this point the Imperial side is too inconsistent and mixed (3 factions!) and Necrons never really appealed to me so....eh.
The Premium kits don't strike me as being quite as good as the Mortal Realms ones were - the CSM one is literally the Sorcerer, the monopose 10 man squad from Shadowspear/Start Collecting and 2 Greater Possessed.
Tau look to be a FW Squad, Stealth Squad and Fireblade. Orks are a Shokk Attack Gun, some grots and a Boyz mob and Tyranids are a Broodlord, Genestealers and Termagants....
Nothing 'big' in those to be honest.
If PIP had sorted itself out and I wasn't having to ask first for a reconsideration and then appeal (because haha, wouldn't you know they missed like any mental health related issues entirely in their decision) then I may have considered it having the funds to do so. But for the increased price, mixed Imperial faction and bleh, more Necrons....
I'll pass.
Wake me up next year when we see the next AoS series start. Automatically Appended Next Post: Overread wrote:WAIT I think the Necons only have one Destroyer and it looks different - could that be a new Destoryer LORD model!
Nope. Standard Destroyer on the plastic flying stand and the new one.
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Post by: GaroRobe
Sister stuff looks like its from the boxset. Kind of makes the sister box "less special", but the models are good and since they're already snapfit, it makes sense
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Welp. Looks like Damocles is starting Sororitas...
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Main pic. Bottom left hand corner. Adeptus Mechanicus dude, just below the ATV.
I don’t recognise him at all? Possibly the exclusive model? Automatically Appended Next Post: No....that’s a Penitent Engine. My bad.
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Post by: Tastyfish
Is that a new Cryptek in front of the wraiths? Or perhaps an alternative build?
I didn't recognise the staff or the pose, but it might just be things in the foreground and background making things look less clear.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Maybe this is the Exclusive? Zoomed in and well blurry, but i don’t recognise it.
It’s not the standard Primaris Captain with gun and sword I don’t think, as the sword is at a completely different angle?
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Post by: Aeneades
This is the exclusive apparently.
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Post by: Sotahullu
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Maybe this is the Exclusive? Zoomed in and well blurry, but i don’t recognise it.
It’s not the standard Primaris Captain with gun and sword I don’t think, as the sword is at a completely different angle?
I think its the limited Primaris Captain with Power Fist & Plasma Pistol.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Damn my Loot Senses are sharp!
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
WOAH DUDE. Check out my Sweet Sword!
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Tastyfish wrote:Is that a new Cryptek in front of the wraiths? Or perhaps an alternative build?
I didn't recognise the staff or the pose, but it might just be things in the foreground and background making things look less clear.
Chronomancer from Pariah Nexus.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Lord Damocles wrote: Tastyfish wrote:Is that a new Cryptek in front of the wraiths? Or perhaps an alternative build?
I didn't recognise the staff or the pose, but it might just be things in the foreground and background making things look less clear.
Chronomancer from Pariah Nexus.
I’ll be having him for £9, that’s for sure. Automatically Appended Next Post: And oooooh! Flayed Ones!
£9 for 5, and I do want 20....maybe 40...
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Post by: beast_gts
Premium sets: Automatically Appended Next Post: I can't spot the "Honoured of the Chapter" sprue in there, but the Necron "Royal Court" is - a £68 box for £10.99 isn't bad...
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Decent enough if you want Kill Teams I guess? Certainly appeal for School Clubs etc.
£2 extra week over the 80 weeks would work out, unless I’ve forgotten how to maths again, £40 each.
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Post by: Ian Sturrock
This isn't massively appealing to me, and I subbed to both the other magazines. Although I guess that part of that appeal-lack is that while I've put together most of my Deathguard and started painting them, I still have most of the regular marines to paint...
But yeah -- premium kinda lacks lustre, even more? Nothing very new there.
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Post by: endlesswaltz123
Calgar is in it....
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
No sub for me this time, as the first four don’t really tickle my pickle, and I’ve three Indomitus worth of Necrons as is.
But, I will be doing what I can to snap up certain issues.
If the Lychguard are a single single? 4 please. Same for Deathmarks and definitely Flayed Ones. In fact....looking at the sprue pic from Kill Team, Flayed Ones are almost certainly gonna be a single issue.
Yes please, Satan, I’ll have 8 of that issue!
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Post by: TalonZahn
Sad American Panda.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
You’re regretting your tea party now, aren’t you
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Post by: endlesswaltz123
No premium subscription and I think I'll actually keep the necrons just to paint them maybe...
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Post by: Overread
The premium surprises me, for Tyranids and Chaos they seem to have taken a getting started set, but taken out the big cool model and put something else in. £40 each over the few months they could have kept the larger models and just done getting started sets.
Still no complaints here it all looks like good stuff and worth the value. I think the Necron side is going to be very short on certain issues when some models come along
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Post by: Racerguy180
Won twice, saved you twice, no regrets
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
I’m sorry, but I can’t hear you over the sound of my savings
Seriously. £8.99 for 5 Flayed Ones!
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Post by: Tyranid Horde
Reckon I'll sub for the first while and then start picking and choosing what I want. I like the varied space marines, ad mech and sisters, maybe it'll be worth a kill team or just some cool minis to paint.
That exclusive is decent, although some head swaps and the like will be needed.
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Post by: Blastaar
Welp. I'll be subscribing if they eventually make it available in the US.
It looks like a good group of minis. Yes, the Imperium is a mish-mash, but they'll be nice for non GW games like Zone Raiders, and I skipped Indomitus. The Cron side is great for me- I only have the skorpekhs, their lord and the reanimator. I need terrain, too.
I might even do premium. I don't want those silly Tau, but Orcs, Nids and Chaos I can use.
Now lemme get Mortal Realms, GW! I want my Nighthaunt!
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Post by: JonWebb
Aww, no captain or apothecary in this one :( Had hoped to round out my blood angels.
I'll likely grab a few choice issues here and there though.
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Post by: JWBS
Looks pretty sweet, esp the terrain and SoB. In fact the Primaris range is quite broad with plenty of new stuff. And some Skitaari too, nice.
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Post by: Ancestral Hamster
Blastaar wrote:Welp. I'll be subscribing if they eventually make it available in the US.
It looks like a good group of minis. Yes, the Imperium is a mish-mash, but they'll be nice for non GW games like Zone Raiders, and I skipped Indomitus. The Cron side is great for me- I only have the skorpekhs, their lord and the reanimator. I need terrain, too.
I might even do premium. I don't want those silly Tau, but Orcs, Nids and Chaos I can use.
Now lemme get Mortal Realms, GW! I want my Nighthaunt!
Not likely. The US market is a different scale than UK & Ireland, they'd have to deal with 50 different state laws, and of course the increased S&H since I don't think Hatchette has an US division. I did try looking for the Mortal Realms back issues here https://www.newsstand.co.uk/ but they do not have any.
Edit: More interested in the Mortal Realms back issues than this (add to my War Cry warbands), although if I could get a specific issue or two of Imperium, I would.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Asking out of ignorance, but what sort of state laws might interfere with this being made available?
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Post by: Orlanth
American ones, the sort of protectionism required to make sure their piddle weak beer and wonky cars have a shot of remaining in the market after they experience the real stuff.
It sadly has knock on effects on everything else.
It's not a problem really. I have just subscribed, now it time to make a nice cup of tea. I will pop over to WHS to get my odd issue subscription up and running too. You got your subscription in yet Grotsnik or are you going to cherry pick issues.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
To assist your decision making for the Premium Subscription, without offering conclusion.
Total extra cost is £2 per week for 80 weeks, so £160.00 in total. Split down, that’s £40 each.
Ork set GW RRP.
1 x Shokk Attak Gun - £22.50
1 x Grots - £12.50
1 x Ork Boyz - £22.50
Total £57.50
Tyranids set GW RRP
1 x Broodlord - £25.00
1 x Genestealers - £22.50
1 x Termagants - £20.00
Total £62.50
Tau set GW RRP
1 x Cadre Fireblade - £17.50
1 x Fire Warrior Team - £30.00
1 x Stealth Suit Team - £20.00
Total £67.50
Chaos set GW RRP
1 x Sorceror - £17.50
1 x Sprue from Start Collecting £???? Automatically Appended Next Post: Orlanth wrote:American ones, the sort of protectionism required to make sure their piddle weak beer and wonky cars have a shot of remaining in the market after they experience the real stuff.
It sadly has knock on effects on everything else.
It's not a problem really. I have just subscribed, now it time to make a nice cup of tea. I will pop over to WHS to get my odd issue subscription up and running too. You got your subscription in yet Grotsnik or are you going to cherry pick issues.
Cherry picking. Want some bits, not at all interested in the others.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
No laws i can think of, its just a subscription, we get stuff in subscriptions all the time.
I dont see how this is different from say, a Beer delivery box
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Post by: Orlanth
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Maybe this is the Exclusive? Zoomed in and well blurry, but i don’t recognise it.
It’s not the standard Primaris Captain with gun and sword I don’t think, as the sword is at a completely different angle?
That's Rowboat Girlyman. You get a primarch in this. Its a cool addition but problematic for balance we might say. I 'converted' my Conquest miniatures into Crimson Fists, I say converted as the exclusive leiutenant had overt Ultramarines iconography cast onto the model. I cant get away with converting Guilliman so I suppose he will have to stay an ultra. I might add a Greyfax miniature (if she isn't in there somewhere already) and have a 'wandering adventurer' Guilliman that I can add to my Imperial armies as and when I want to totally imbalance everything.
It is nice that this campaigns exclusive miniature is not specifically an Ultramarine, I think he will look just fine in Kantor Blue.
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Post by: Tastyfish
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Asking out of ignorance, but what sort of state laws might interfere with this being made available?
It was mentioned earlier I think, with a set like this the companies are required to complete the collections rather than cancelling a loss making one before it is complete. That sounded like the major one.
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Post by: JoeRugby
Are those the sisters of battle from the ltd edition box?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Those are the Sisters from the Ltd Ed. box.
And how does one acquire that new Captain?
And note that the new Captain has a Plasma Pistol but does not have a Power Fist. Finally you don't have to have the latter if you take the former.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Orlanth wrote:That's Rowboat Girlyman. You get a primarch in this. Its a cool addition but problematic for balance we might say. I 'converted' my Conquest miniatures into Crimson Fists, I say converted as the exclusive leiutenant had overt Ultramarines iconography cast onto the model. I cant get away with converting Guilliman so I suppose he will have to stay an ultra. I might add a Greyfax miniature (if she isn't in there somewhere already) and have a 'wandering adventurer' Guilliman that I can add to my Imperial armies as and when I want to totally imbalance everything.
Guilliman has visited Rynn's World and high-fived Cantor, so it's reasonable that he could be fielded alongside Crimson Fists.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
H.B.M.C. wrote:Those are the Sisters from the Ltd Ed. box.
And how does one acquire that new Captain?
And note that the new Captain has a Plasma Pistol but does not have a Power Fist. Finally you don't have to have the latter if you take the former.
Likely Issue 5, going off Conquest and Mortal Realms.
Will looking to order a few via Hachette and Forbidden Planet.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
H.B.M.C. wrote:And note that the new Captain has a Plasma Pistol but does not have a Power Fist. Finally you don't have to have the latter if you take the former.
Assuming that it gets an updated datasheet... (note that most people seem to have considered the variant datasheets from Conquest as not to be used elsewhere).
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Post by: Ancestral Hamster
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Asking out of ignorance, but what sort of state laws might interfere with this being made available?
I would not know specifics, but there is a lot of protectionism here in the U.S., despite all the pulpit-pounding about free markets etcetera. So Hatchette would have to look at each state's laws regulating this type of commerce individually.
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Post by: Billicus
That exclusive appears to be captain of the 2nd company i.e. Cato Sicarius right?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Well put me down for one. Always interested in rare models.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Will do dude
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Billicus wrote:That exclusive appears to be captain of the 2nd company i.e. Cato Sicarius right?
Sicariariarius is leader of the Victrix Guard now. The 2nd are led by Captain Acheran; but there are like six different 2nd Captain models now, which presumably aren't all the same guy, so who knows?
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Post by: Billicus
Lame, I was hoping to see him Primaris'd.
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Post by: Crimson
Lord Damocles wrote: (note that most people seem to have considered the variant datasheets from Conquest as not to be used elsewhere).
What datasheets were those?
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
The ones that came in the Conquest issues. Things like a squad of three Intercessors or Reivers. Lt Calsius technically had a datasheet of his own, but he's just armed with a power sword which isn't an unusual weapon for a Lieutenant.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Crimson wrote: Lord Damocles wrote: (note that most people seem to have considered the variant datasheets from Conquest as not to be used elsewhere).
What datasheets were those?
The bike squad, for one (1-2 bikes. Can add 1 bike and/or attack bike. Can upgrade one to sergeant. No weapon options besides multi-melta).
etc...
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Post by: cody.d.
Honestly surprised they didn't chuck the silent king or a monolith into the necron side with Bobby G being on the marine side.
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Post by: Overread
cody.d. wrote:Honestly surprised they didn't chuck the silent king or a monolith into the necron side with Bobby G being on the marine side.
Monolith would have been a bit much, but I'd have expected to see a Doomstalker or Ark perhaps appear. More so the Doomstalker since its big, new, fancy and not as versatile a kit as the ark (ark makes 2 options; doomstalker only one).
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Post by: JWBS
Lord Damocles wrote: Orlanth wrote:That's Rowboat Girlyman. You get a primarch in this. Its a cool addition but problematic for balance we might say. I 'converted' my Conquest miniatures into Crimson Fists, I say converted as the exclusive leiutenant had overt Ultramarines iconography cast onto the model. I cant get away with converting Guilliman so I suppose he will have to stay an ultra. I might add a Greyfax miniature (if she isn't in there somewhere already) and have a 'wandering adventurer' Guilliman that I can add to my Imperial armies as and when I want to totally imbalance everything.
Guilliman has visited Rynn's World and high-fived Cantor, so it's reasonable that he could be fielded alongside Crimson Fists.
He's also bro-fisted Dante and given him a cheeky wink, so you can probably run him in BA too.
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Post by: Horla
Nothing much in the first four issues to entice me but will pick up issues on spec if there’s something decent included. Reckon it will be good for expanding my terrain and getting some of the more specialist units. Certainly interested in the Sisters of Battle anyway.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
This really does show how bull gak GW's prices are. £34.50 for 3 Skorphek Destroyers + Plasmacyte -or- £8.99 for 3 Skorphek Destroyers + Plasmacyte, a full colour magazine, map sheets and a pot of paint.
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Post by: Mothman
Interesting that I cant see any blade guard, was kind of hoping to nab some from here. Oh well, ill likely get 2-3 of each of the sisters issues and some necrons.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Just about every Marine in the set is an Easy 2 Build model.
The Blade Guard from Indomitus come on a sprue with quite a bit more, and whilst I'm sure there's no problem with including that sprue as part of this magazine subscription, I don't think GW would allow that given they want to charge an obscene amount for said sprue.
And they're not about to include the multi-part Bladeguard kit in this.
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Post by: Orlanth
Yes. This is good news on a number of levels. I bought two starter boxsets to get these minis. They are static pose not multipose kits but that means each girl has a good pose to her, and you can get further customisation from a bit of chop and change with bits from the regular boxsets. I like the starter content as the mins are different and when you mix them with the regular boxsets you get w wide variety of models and poses. The walkers are harder to customise but the walker here is again different to any of the three penitent engines from the penitent engine boxset again opening up variety and reducing copypasta. Sisters are a horde army and while the miniatures boxsets for the faction are very good they can get samey fast especially as each sister only hasd two pose options. Sprinkling in the starter models really throws this open.
Finally these great models are compressed onto a small number of sprues, IIRC only three, with the canoness on a separate mini sprue. So this means three very good issues of Imperium guaranteed, though you will need to snag copies of all three as the model parts are spread between them. Though at the price of £27 for what is a reasonable size sister detachment I dont see any problem with that.
The canoness model on the mini sprue is also different from the one in the canoness box. Again a saving for a character model but not a crazy deal like the other sisters.
Watch the issue list closely because this is a very good way to start, or bolster a sisters army. It covers most of the basics and with a bit of converting could go a long way. Spam enough of these sets and you will only need vehicles and Retributors for a sizable and varied SoB army. I can see why GW has not released these sprues in a boxset, it would sell too well and eat into much of the range of the army. You get a ten girl Battle Sisters squad, which you can spam as your core with only a little weapons conversion needed, a mini squad or Arcoflagellants and Repentia, both of which mob up well to provide full squads, a Repentia Superior, who can be converted into one of many sisters characters, some say she makes a better Canoness model and I can see why, a five girl Seraphim squad, with no special weapons, worth spamming again, and a single Penitent engine.
I think the sweet spot is to buy three of each of these sprues, get some sisters bits and you have a reasonable sized army. Just add Repentia and holy rhino varients (convert them!) for a Sisters army on the cheap.
The Starter boxset was expensive as it contained the codex, deck and multiple other things. Had these sprues been available I would already have done this, even so I bought two Starter boxsets and dont regret the purchase. Automatically Appended Next Post: Lord Damocles wrote: Orlanth wrote:That's Rowboat Girlyman. You get a primarch in this. Its a cool addition but problematic for balance we might say. I 'converted' my Conquest miniatures into Crimson Fists, I say converted as the exclusive leiutenant had overt Ultramarines iconography cast onto the model. I cant get away with converting Guilliman so I suppose he will have to stay an ultra. I might add a Greyfax miniature (if she isn't in there somewhere already) and have a 'wandering adventurer' Guilliman that I can add to my Imperial armies as and when I want to totally imbalance everything.
Guilliman has visited Rynn's World and high-fived Cantor, so it's reasonable that he could be fielded alongside Crimson Fists.
That's true, if I remember from an enthusiast who told me about the book there was a scene where Guilliman encouraged Pedro Cantor and said that knowing Rogal Dorn well he would certainly be proud of him and his chapter.
This helps as I have held back from buying Mortarion for a now fairly large Death Guard army bought from multiople ebay sprues of Dark Imperium plus Conquest subscription plus extra cherry picked issues. I have six Blighthaulers, thirty cultists all filthed up, over sixty poxwalkers and enough Death Guard for six squads of seven, plus Blightlords, plus multiples of just about anything else. I stopped short of Mortarion for fairness sake, but with Guilliman to counter I wont feel so bad. I have not seen Mortarion as a model yet, frankly I didnt like what I have seen, but I hear he is more impressive than the photos give credit for.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
That Canoness also isn't available anywhere outside of that long-OOP box, so that's nice.
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Post by: Orlanth
H.B.M.C. wrote:This really does show how bull gak GW's prices are.
£34.50 for 3 Skorphek Destroyers + Plasmacyte
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£8.99 for 3 Skorphek Destroyers + Plasmacyte, a full colour magazine, map sheets and a pot of paint.
Being fair this is a 'loss leader', though it will still make a profit. There will be issues where you only get the pot of paint, I will take that hit to get the full subscription mag run as I did last time with Conquest. The good issues I will buy multiples of. GW are cool with this, they make good money out of Hachette and it is a good hobby intro also. £720 for the whole campaign is a fair amount of splash, spread over many months so that it doesnt hurt so much.
Also from Conquest, Hachette made their money back point by issue 4, according to sources from GW, out of subscription only. These bonus issue sales are raw profit. No wonder they came back for more.
Also yes GW is expensive, but I will say this for them. Most of the models, including the full permanently produced range are made in factories in the UK and US where workers get decent wages and conditions in factory spaces with full health and safety considerations. Much of what we buy for less including the Battletech minis we both look forward to are cheaper because they use sweatshop labour in China.
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Post by: GaroRobe
H.B.M.C. wrote:That Canoness also isn't available anywhere outside of that long- OOP box, so that's nice.
Looks like it's the whole box. I see the penitent engine, arco flagellants, etc. Part of me is jealous that the unique sculpts will be waaaay more common now (at least in the UK), but it is nice that people can get some models outside the crazy expensive set. Plus now I can hopefully pick up a second canoness, in case I butcher the first one
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Post by: Orlanth
H.B.M.C. wrote:That Canoness also isn't available anywhere outside of that long- OOP box, so that's nice.
All the minis in the starter boxset were unique to that product, at least until now.
Canoness will be an issue to herself and there is no need to buy more than one, she has a fixed wargear loadout, her main advantage is having a different body pose and dress to the canoness boxset model. Again if you want three use the Repentia Superior model and convert her, that models pose is very good, and she is easy to convert as her arms are splayed out lashing whips. Easy convert, just cut at the wrist and remove the tip of one whip from her robe, which is an easy file job. Voila three very different canoness models, though this best assumes you have the canoness boxset for the extra wargear options.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Orlanth wrote:All the minis in the starter boxset were unique to that product, at least until now.
I'm aware of that, but a push-fit Sister with a Bolter and a multi-part Sister with a Bolter isn't much of a difference. The Canoness was a unique HQ miniature. That's what makes her interesting/desirable as a mini.
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Post by: Orlanth
GaroRobe wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:That Canoness also isn't available anywhere outside of that long- OOP box, so that's nice.
Looks like it's the whole box. I see the penitent engine, arco flagellants, etc. Part of me is jealous that the unique sculpts will be waaaay more common now (at least in the UK), but it is nice that people can get some models outside the crazy expensive set. Plus now I can hopefully pick up a second canoness, in case I butcher the first one
Not necessarily more common. First there will be scalpers clearing out the issues from Hachette website in the first minutes of release so we will need to be on the ball and pre-order the issues. My local newsagent allowed me to order five copies of earlier issues, but later reduced that to two. I didn't manage to get extra of some items.
It's an opportunity, but its also very much blink and you miss it. I will have to watch the back page carefully and not be tardy going to the newsagent to order copies in. Conquest was a massive opportunity but relatively few players were diligent enough to capitalise on it as there was a lot of hassle involved, and that was (mostly) pre-lockdown.
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Post by: GaroRobe
I wonder how much the scalped SoB stuff will be. Even now there are scalpers selling off models from the set on ebay (and with the exception of a few models, no ones buying). The canoness is sitting pretty at $40 (plus shipping), but the other units are more or less priced okay. At the very least, the flamer sister standing on the burnt heretic will be sought after.
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Post by: Overread
Also for all that we get excited about them don't forget that these products are ideal "little Timmy" style products. Granted its on the more affluent end of the scale, but at the same time the creative angle and such often sways parents into thinking its a more educational and rewarding/skill based hobby than say video games and such.
In the end GW not only nets a profit from this, but also nets new customers. The inclusion of terrain also nets them better looking tables when those customers play (and when we play) which in turn nets them - yep - more customers.
It's basically a win win for everyone involved
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Post by: Orlanth
H.B.M.C. wrote: Orlanth wrote:All the minis in the starter boxset were unique to that product, at least until now.
I'm aware of that, but a push-fit Sister with a Bolter and a multi-part Sister with a Bolter isn't much of a difference. The Canoness was a unique HQ miniature. That's what makes her interesting/desirable as a mini.
More difference than you might think. The multipart sisters were not truly multipart, you got five sisters each with a single pose and add ons to make two different models. The starter set also did this but didn't have the multipart special weapon and sister superior options, just with a single loadout for the squad.
This does mean that standard boxset sisters have six model poses plus some differences in heads and weapons, they are not true multipart like Astartes where you pose the model yourself. Mixing in the starter sisters doubles the number of actual body poses in your sisters squads as the entire squad is sculpted differently. It makes a huge difference once you get one or two sisters boxset and swap around the special weapons, and the larger your army is the more it matters that you have the extra poses. Lovely models, but taken only from the retail boxsets sisters can get samey fast.
IIRC there are no true customisable multipart models in the entire faction. The best you get are head and weapon swaps, plus some backpack swaps on monopose body and leg models. Even the pentitent engines are modelled this way, though you can freepose those with a little conversion. What makes the difference there is that all the sisters models are fairly busy with purity seals, rosaries, braziers, etc, and having the same add ons fluttering the same way, as copypasta, gets noticeable. This is why having a fourth pentitent engine core model is especially useful as they are extremely busy, work best if spammed and get noticeably samey.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Orlanth wrote:IIRC there are no true customisable multipart models in the entire faction.
Well of course not. It's modern GW. Kitbashing ist verboten!!!
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Post by: Racerguy180
Yeah, I really want more poses for my Bloody Rose, kitbashing and converting differing load outs will give the illusion of variety.
My retributors need some more variance.
Have done the same with all of my variants of Tactics(intercessors/hellblasters)and want to work on more Phobos.
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Post by: alphaecho
Orlanth wrote: GaroRobe wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:That Canoness also isn't available anywhere outside of that long- OOP box, so that's nice.
Looks like it's the whole box. I see the penitent engine, arco flagellants, etc. Part of me is jealous that the unique sculpts will be waaaay more common now (at least in the UK), but it is nice that people can get some models outside the crazy expensive set. Plus now I can hopefully pick up a second canoness, in case I butcher the first one
Not necessarily more common. First there will be scalpers clearing out the issues from Hachette website in the first minutes of release so we will need to be on the ball and pre-order the issues. My local newsagent allowed me to order five copies of earlier issues, but later reduced that to two. I didn't manage to get extra of some items.
It's an opportunity, but its also very much blink and you miss it. I will have to watch the back page carefully and not be tardy going to the newsagent to order copies in. Conquest was a massive opportunity but relatively few players were diligent enough to capitalise on it as there was a lot of hassle involved, and that was (mostly) pre-lockdown.
For UK buyers, assuming Forbidden Planet stock this run, advance order is quite simple. The beauty of Forbidden Planet was that you could place an advance order for three or more issues and you receive free postage even though the issues were posted out as they were released. The site also listed issues long before Hachette updated their website.
I know some on here help our overseas friends through the Loot Group so all is not lost for those who detest the eBay gougers.
I'm in for the Premium.
I don't mind dabbling in other armies so picking up for cheaper than retail appeals.
I wonder if they are going to come up with another new Chapter to focus on or will the Silver Templars be expanded.
Could the exclusive model be a promoted Calsius? If so, will we see him grow further? Chapter Master Calsius when Calgar bites the big one. Tune into Hachette 40K Partworks Part IV in six years time.
It worked for Forgeworld and the Red Scorpions character.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
H.B.M.C. wrote:Just about every Marine in the set is an Easy 2 Build model.
The Blade Guard from Indomitus come on a sprue with quite a bit more, and whilst I'm sure there's no problem with including that sprue as part of this magazine subscription, I don't think GW would allow that given they want to charge an obscene amount for said sprue.
And they're not about to include the multi-part Bladeguard kit in this.
Bits from it are all there. This is really gonna be £8.99 for sure. Likewise the Necron Royal Court. Single sprue = single issue.
It’s the Flayed Ones and Lychguard I’m most interested in. Flayed Ones are definitely an issue unto themselves, as they’re a single sprue for five. Lychguard? Well....two sprues in the retail box, but fingers crossed they’ll be a single issue too.
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Post by: alphaecho
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Just about every Marine in the set is an Easy 2 Build model.
The Blade Guard from Indomitus come on a sprue with quite a bit more, and whilst I'm sure there's no problem with including that sprue as part of this magazine subscription, I don't think GW would allow that given they want to charge an obscene amount for said sprue.
And they're not about to include the multi-part Bladeguard kit in this.
Bits from it are all there. This is really gonna be £8.99 for sure. Likewise the Necron Royal Court. Single sprue = single issue.
It’s the Flayed Ones and Lychguard I’m most interested in. Flayed Ones are definitely an issue unto themselves, as they’re a single sprue for five. Lychguard? Well....two sprues in the retail box, but fingers crossed they’ll be a single issue too.
It could be like Conquest though where veterans have to accept that this product is not Warhammer 40000.
The scenarios in the magazines aren't based on points rules so your army could consists of a Lieutenant and three Reivers and a Bike.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Indeed. But when one issue may very well be a near 90% saving on desirable models (sculpts and in-game potency) it’s kinda hard for peeps not to be salty, especially if you don’t have the option to grab that saving yourself.
Whilst Conquest did have stuff split over multiple issues (the big floaty tank thing was one, as was the Plagueburst Crawler, Dreadnought and Rhino), none involved single sprues being broken down. The “worst” that happened in that regard was one of the Floaty Tank issues just being the base.
And I know I keep banging on about them, but those Flayed Ones. Single sprue of 5 = a single issue for them. So set at £8.99.
I can get my desired two units of twenty for a comparative song - even if the main kit turns out to be 10 strong.
If this follows the Conquest and Mortal Realms? Germany, Spain and Australia will get this in turn. Everyone else? Tough luck, Buster.
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Post by: Danny76
alphaecho wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Just about every Marine in the set is an Easy 2 Build model.
The Blade Guard from Indomitus come on a sprue with quite a bit more, and whilst I'm sure there's no problem with including that sprue as part of this magazine subscription, I don't think GW would allow that given they want to charge an obscene amount for said sprue.
And they're not about to include the multi-part Bladeguard kit in this.
Bits from it are all there. This is really gonna be £8.99 for sure. Likewise the Necron Royal Court. Single sprue = single issue.
It’s the Flayed Ones and Lychguard I’m most interested in. Flayed Ones are definitely an issue unto themselves, as they’re a single sprue for five. Lychguard? Well....two sprues in the retail box, but fingers crossed they’ll be a single issue too.
It could be like Conquest though where veterans have to accept that this product is not Warhammer 40000.
The scenarios in the magazines aren't based on points rules so your army could consists of a Lieutenant and three Reivers and a Bike.
Yeah in most ways that’s irrelevant.
For anyone already in the hobby buying this like all of us, it doesn’t matter what the scenarios are based on or rules they give. It’s still certain models for a really good price compared to GW.
And as soon as we know the schedule we can start getting units and such for very cheap.
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Post by: CorwinB
Hopefuly this gets released in EU as well like Conquest was (currently at issue 63 in France), as I'd be very interested in suscribing (probably not for Premium).
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Post by: kodos
it will be released in EU for sure
I guess timing will be a little bit off so that the last issues are coming after 10th Edi hit the shelf
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Post by: tneva82
Not in EU. In some countries. Alas EU has 27 country of which about 5(?) countries got it.
For rest of us it's order from UK with exceedingly high postage from UK even pre-brexit. So guess now it's time just for spam ordering single issue. I could see it working out okay to get say 40-60 flayed ones(assuming you can order 8-12 of same magazines at once).
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Post by: kodos
if one country in the EU get it, you can order it from there, if you only care for the minis and don't mind the foreign language of the articles
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Brexit may mean it’s no longer profitable enough to bother with the EU.
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Post by: Jidmah
At least other Hachette stuff is still on shelves, I just saw one of the magazines where you can collect an unimog model at the gas station. Their products have been around forever, I doubt they would drop the entire market.
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Post by: Billicus
kodos wrote:if one country in the EU get it, you can order it from there, if you only care for the minis and don't mind the foreign language of the articles
Nobody's reading the articles, it's like Playboy
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Post by: Danny76
Jidmah wrote:
At least other Hachette stuff is still on shelves, I just saw one of the magazines where you can collect an unimog model at the gas station. Their products have been around forever, I doubt they would drop the entire market.
It’ll be an idea to start looking at how many new collections start going forward.
That may begin to lower as they decide it’s less cost effective, only keeping some (if warrant Warhammer is more popular than many of their kits, as the individual is interested in multiple etc).
Current ones I don’t think they’d just stop in the middle, a) due to production already having happened or being in process and b) they may have struck deals to prevent them just stopping with said companies involved.
I know in the past this kind of mag sometimes just decided to stop if they didn’t think it was going well enough for them. Potentially ruining someone’s build or set.
Maybe not so likely or possibly in this ‘new age’ we live in.
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Post by: tneva82
kodos wrote:if one country in the EU get it, you can order it from there, if you only care for the minis and don't mind the foreign language of the articles
If hachette delivers to some country doesn't mean they will deliver it to other.
And bookshops selling in German isn't much help for people living in Finland. Going to German is more expensive than the GW models would be straight from GW...
And so far haven't found any EU based store that sells magazines internationally either.
edit: oh and shipping fees are least issues from forbidden planets now. They have flat out stopped selling internationally.
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Post by: Jidmah
According to their webpage, the issue I saw is likely #7 or earlier, meaning it started early this year or by the end of last year.
As I said, hachette has been around forever in Germany (I collected some of their magazines 20 years ago) and you can see two or three of their magazines at pretty much every store that sells magazines. Dropping the entire market seems unlikely. I doubt that brexit would cost them more than 2€ per issue and people would easily pay that much extra.
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Post by: Orlanth
H.B.M.C. wrote: Orlanth wrote:IIRC there are no true customisable multipart models in the entire faction.
Well of course not. It's modern GW. Kitbashing ist verboten!!!
But we are heretics and lawbreakers. Automatically Appended Next Post: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
If this follows the Conquest and Mortal Realms? Germany, Spain and Australia will get this in turn. Everyone else? Tough luck, Buster.
It's not a stretch for one of the US partwork companies to sublicence this in the US from Hachette and GW. Due to its popularity it might be a good idea for one to do so. US customers might want to chance it and write to them.
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Post by: Jidmah
Are any other hachette magazines available in the US? I doubt they would go through all the trouble to establish themselves there for just a 40k magazine that will end in two years or so.
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Post by: Orlanth
I couldn't back Premium, £160 is a lot and frankly +£8 per payment is a lot. I can stomach a monthly hit of £36 and backed on that basis, £44 however takes it over the line IMHO. There will also be hidden costs, books etc as with Conquest, but by and large I didn't mind what I got for those.
Premium is better than for Conquest where you got cardboard boxes and card tokens and paid through the nose for them. At face value the add ons look OK, they are a better price than GW retail, similar to internet retail prices, but for £160 at the same rates you could get models you want from factions you want, rather than what you get here.
I will eat my words if the square graphics are actually stand ins for Codexes but I really doubt there are. I frankly expected Death Guard and Space Marines codexes to be two of the add ons for Conquest. But6 it was not to be.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Orlanth wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote: Orlanth wrote:IIRC there are no true customisable multipart models in the entire faction.
Well of course not. It's modern GW. Kitbashing ist verboten!!!
But we are heretics and lawbreakers.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
If this follows the Conquest and Mortal Realms? Germany, Spain and Australia will get this in turn. Everyone else? Tough luck, Buster.
It's not a stretch for one of the US partwork companies to sublicence this in the US from Hachette and GW. Due to its popularity it might be a good idea for one to do so. US customers might want to chance it and write to them.
I can’t remember where I saw it, nor can I really confirm I didn’t imagine it (been having vivid dreams recently), but I do recall a Trial Confirmation type email, shared by someone State side.
It was this very thread! Though sourced from Reddit, so maybe salt at the ready?
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Post by: Shooter
I wonder how many issues I might need to put together Necron and SoB kill teams.
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Post by: Orlanth
Racerguy180 wrote:Yeah, I really want more poses for my Bloody Rose, kitbashing and converting differing load outs will give the illusion of variety.
My retributors need some more variance.
Have done the same with all of my variants of Tactics(intercessors/hellblasters)and want to work on more Phobos.
What really kills this is the poverty of poses for sisters superior. You get one pose in the Battle sisters box, for all battle sisters including Dominion and Celestian squads. Its a good pose, but when spammed really grates. You can get a second pose from the Retributor boxset, which should be swapped in for some variety for the Battle sisters. Now we see how much difference an additional pose makes, between three poses and helm backpack and wargear options you get just enough variety to matter. Could still be better but its passable.
If you havent subscribed really make sure you dont miss this issue when it drops.
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Post by: kodos
tneva82 wrote: kodos wrote:if one country in the EU get it, you can order it from there, if you only care for the minis and don't mind the foreign language of the articles
If hachette delivers to some country doesn't mean they will deliver it to other.
And bookshops selling in German isn't much help for people living in Finland. Going to German is more expensive than the GW models would be straight from GW...
And so far haven't found any EU based store that sells magazines internationally either.
edit: oh and shipping fees are least issues from forbidden planets now. They have flat out stopped selling internationally.
here you needed to order Conquest from Germany anyway so I don't expect it to be much different now
and regarding savings, there were only some issues really worth it while a full sub to the get everything only if there were 2 people starting from scratch
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Post by: alphaecho
Orlanth wrote:
I couldn't back Premium, £160 is a lot and frankly +£8 per payment is a lot. I can stomach a monthly hit of £36 and backed on that basis, £44 however takes it over the line IMHO. There will also be hidden costs, books etc as with Conquest, but by and large I didn't mind what I got for those.
Premium is better than for Conquest where you got cardboard boxes and card tokens and paid through the nose for them. At face value the add ons look OK, they are a better price than GW retail, similar to internet retail prices, but for £160 at the same rates you could get models you want from factions you want, rather than what you get here.
I will eat my words if the square graphics are actually stand ins for Codexes but I really doubt there are. I frankly expected Death Guard and Space Marines codexes to be two of the add ons for Conquest. But6 it was not to be.
I'm more for the building and painting than gaming and as I have none of the add ons as an army and I'm mortgage free, I'm fortunate enough to be in a good position. Once I'm done, they'll likely end up on eBay. Apart from the Orks. Being Praetorian mad, I'm fixated on kitting then out with either Victoria Lamb or Curious Constructs Ogre pith helmets for a Blood Axe Kill Team.
As for the hidden costs from Conquest, I took those on but there was ample opportunity to opt out if a buyer didn't want them.
Personally, I was quite happy with the final Painting Silver Templars add on. So much so that I picked up a second set when Hachette added them to the website for general purchase.
I certainly didn't Premium for Conquest.
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Post by: Orlanth
I didn't think of and therefore missed getting a second Painting Silver Templars box on the website. Damn. That was good value for the paints and bonus proper kit intercessors.
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Post by: alphaecho
Orlanth wrote:I didn't think of and therefore missed getting a second Painting Silver Templars box on the website. Damn. That was good value for the paints and bonus proper kit intercessors.
It was only up for a couple of weeks before Conquest was taken off the website.
I did revive the Conquest thread from the depths to announce it. I'm sure the gougers are now listing their purchases on eBay for £100+ right now.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Where?
I don't see the Judiciar, Blade Guard Ancient or push-fit Eradicators anywhere in that full pic.
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Post by: Orlanth
alphaecho wrote: Orlanth wrote:I didn't think of and therefore missed getting a second Painting Silver Templars box on the website. Damn. That was good value for the paints and bonus proper kit intercessors.
It was only up for a couple of weeks before Conquest was taken off the website.
I did revive the Conquest thread from the depths to announce it. I'm sure the gougers are now listing their purchases on eBay for £100+ right now.
Its time I kept an eye out for the Age of Sigmar painting pizza box and what it contains. I haven't bought into that campaign, bar a single copy of issue one. I have enough undead minis for my Vampire Counts and dont need anything else.
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Post by: feugan
A little bit painful being stung for £125 to get super exclusive plastic sisters - now £36 on cherry-picked issues.
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Post by: Sentineil
Anyone else having trouble with the subscription number? I subscribed, and got sent an email confirming my subscription, but it didn't have the 13 digit number I need to register my account.
I contacted support through the system on the website, and they replied today... But I need to login to the account I don't have to see the reply...
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Post by: Aeneades
Subscription number usually comes a little later from experience.
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Post by: Arbitrator
I always said they were going to end up in a Start Collecting/other beginner program in the future and here we are.
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Post by: Racerguy180
Orlanth wrote:Racerguy180 wrote:Yeah, I really want more poses for my Bloody Rose, kitbashing and converting differing load outs will give the illusion of variety.
My retributors need some more variance.
Have done the same with all of my variants of Tactics(intercessors/hellblasters)and want to work on more Phobos.
What really kills this is the poverty of poses for sisters superior. You get one pose in the Battle sisters box, for all battle sisters including Dominion and Celestian squads. Its a good pose, but when spammed really grates. You can get a second pose from the Retributor boxset, which should be swapped in for some variety for the Battle sisters. Now we see how much difference an additional pose makes, between three poses and helm backpack and wargear options you get just enough variety to matter. Could still be better but its passable.
If you havent subscribed really make sure you dont miss this issue when it drops.
I'm considering having my buddy in jolly old englund pick a couple up fore when they release....or GW could just allow others to enjoy!
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Post by: tneva82
feugan wrote:A little bit painful being stung for £125 to get super exclusive plastic sisters - now £36 on cherry-picked issues.
Well the sister starter set was still nice discount. And came with nice cover. If you are looking at discounts never buy anything straight away.
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Post by: Abaddon303
Sorry if I've missed it but I can't see when this starts either on here or on the hachette site?
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Post by: alphaecho
Abaddon303 wrote:Sorry if I've missed it but I can't see when this starts either on here or on the hachette site?
If Imperium is like Conquest and Mortal Realms, it may not be starting yet.
There may be a limited store release in a small area and those of us who have subscribed will receive an email stating that the part works will be starting later and thanking us for taking part in the trial run.
At present, Imperium is not listed on the main Hachette site and Forbidden Planet do not have any issues listed on advance order.
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Post by: CorwinB
Slightly related, I just saw that Mortal Realms was now available to order in France... I had missed that. I went for Premium this time.
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Post by: Abaddon303
alphaecho wrote:Abaddon303 wrote:Sorry if I've missed it but I can't see when this starts either on here or on the hachette site?
If Imperium is like Conquest and Mortal Realms, it may not be starting yet.
There may be a limited store release in a small area and those of us who have subscribed will receive an email stating that the part works will be starting later and thanking us for taking part in the trial run.
At present, Imperium is not listed on the main Hachette site and Forbidden Planet do not have any issues listed on advance order.
Thanks, when you say trial run, you get the first few issues then? or are they just gauging interest?
I might sign up just for the first couple of issues anyway
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Trials are usually 4 issues, and if you then subscribe fully you get them again for free.
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Post by: Twinoni
I’ve just had my confirmation email in, which says which issues of the magazines will include the ‘premium’ extras (the chaos, tau etc).
It will be issued 15, 33, 51 and 69.
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Post by: Orlanth
CorwinB wrote:Slightly related, I just saw that Mortal Realms was now available to order in France... I had missed that. I went for Premium this time.
Premium is a good deal for Mortal Realms. You get about double what you pay in.
https://www.fauxhammer.com/featured/mortal-realms-magazine-contents-list-issues-1-80/
You can only get this offer if you subscribe prior to Issue 6
Flesh-Eater Courts (Total Value £59.75 + Exclusive Model – Delivery 7)
Athonian Camoshade (RRP £4.75)
20 Crypt Ghouls (RRP 25)
Crypt Infernal Courtier (RRP £30)
The Abhorrant Archregent (Carrion Empire – Exclusive)
Sylvaneth (Total Value £86.00 – Delivery 11)
Tau Light Ochre (RRP 2.75)
XV-88 (RRP 2.75)
Nurgling Green (RRP 2.75)
Loren Forest (RRP 2.75)
Drycha Hamadreth (RRP £35)
Spite-Revenants (RRP £25)
Branchwych (RRP £15)
Orruk Warclans (Total Value £76.75 – Delivery 15)
Yriel Yellow (RRP 2.75)
Ironjawz Orruk Megaboss (RRP £24)
Orruk Weirdnob Shaman (RRP £20)
Ironjawz Orruk Brutes (RRP £30)
Blades of Khorne (Total Value £85 – Delivery 20)
Daemons of Khorne Flesh Hounds (RRP £30)
Khorne Bloodbound Blood Warriors (RRP £37.50)
Bloodmaster, Herald of Khorne (RRP £17.50)
So, you’ll be paying £160 across the series and the value of the models is £307.50 So you’re actually saving £147.50.
They have it better on the continent where it’s only 1.50€ extra per issue! But it is about time people outside of the UK got some decent discount on Games Workshop products
Now I dont know the Euro prices and if the discounts hold, so you should check that for yourself. Contents will be similar though.
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Post by: Danny76
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Orlanth wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote: Orlanth wrote:IIRC there are no true customisable multipart models in the entire faction.
Well of course not. It's modern GW. Kitbashing ist verboten!!!
But we are heretics and lawbreakers.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
If this follows the Conquest and Mortal Realms? Germany, Spain and Australia will get this in turn. Everyone else? Tough luck, Buster.
It's not a stretch for one of the US partwork companies to sublicence this in the US from Hachette and GW. Due to its popularity it might be a good idea for one to do so. US customers might want to chance it and write to them.
I can’t remember where I saw it, nor can I really confirm I didn’t imagine it (been having vivid dreams recently), but I do recall a Trial Confirmation type email, shared by someone State side.
It was this very thread! Though sourced from Reddit, so maybe salt at the ready?
Yeah I remember that picture coming up.
To me it didn’t look real. Though I can’t fathom why someone would go to all that trouble typing up and printing it off.
But all correspondence from Hachette I’ve received didn’t look like that and was much better formatting etc.
and just the random line of US at the bottom seems suspect like they were making a point.
But who knows. Automatically Appended Next Post: Abaddon303 wrote:alphaecho wrote:Abaddon303 wrote:Sorry if I've missed it but I can't see when this starts either on here or on the hachette site?
If Imperium is like Conquest and Mortal Realms, it may not be starting yet.
There may be a limited store release in a small area and those of us who have subscribed will receive an email stating that the part works will be starting later and thanking us for taking part in the trial run.
At present, Imperium is not listed on the main Hachette site and Forbidden Planet do not have any issues listed on advance order.
Thanks, when you say trial run, you get the first few issues then? or are they just gauging interest?
I might sign up just for the first couple of issues anyway
The trial happens in stores with actual issues.
And all the signing up gauges the interest (without these people receiving anything).
Then when it goes live, you receive the mentioned free issues.
Though I believe for MR it was only 1-3 that were free.
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Post by: Mr Gutsy
Its really hard to find any information that there was a 4 issue trial run of Conquest in America last year during June/July, but I'll post what little I've found though since some people might be interested.
Here's a few Reddit posts from people who found them in stores, 2nd guy was the one who posted that letter and the 3rd guy filled it out and sent it back and received the 40k art book as a free gift.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/h7745z/warhammer_40k_conquest_in_the_us/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/kc0t3u/found_this_in_my_us_copy_of_warhammer_conquest/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/ldfcfx/warhammer_conquest_magazine_gift_finally_arrived/
The price sticker on the first Reddit post lead me to Graham Crackers Comics who are a chain store with 12 locations in the USA. They made a Facebook post for all 4 issues and mention that they're available to buy at their mid-west locations.
Don't know if the link works (feth i hate Facebook.) but if you search for graham crackers comics warhammer conquest you can easily find rest of the pictures.
https://www.facebook.com/search/photos/?q=graham%20crackers%20comics%20warhammer%20conquest
Interestingly in their Facebook images of the magazine there are some noticeable differences compared to the UK version.
There's no price printed in the top right corner of the magazine, i think they started doing this with the later non-english versions of Conquest. There's an extra yellow bar along the top and it looks like the books might be 1-2 cm taller. There's no holes punched into the books so they can't fit in binders.The first issue of conquest came attached to cardboard with the book and models on different sides whilst in this one they're both in the same bag.The plastic bags are also different from the ones I've got with Conquest and Mortal Realms.
The fact that a real store was selling them makes me think it was legit trial run. The address that's on the letter also leads to a house in Illinois that's registered to a small 2 man company called Titan Publishing, they we're probably contracted by Hatchette and that would explain the sloppiness of the form letter.
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Post by: Danny76
Yeah that all makes sense.
Interesting at the difference of magazine with no hole punch etc.
I don’t think the magazine is taller, if you take away the yellow bar then to me it looks more squat than usual.
I will note, that not all issues had the cardboard. Only the initial newsagent run. So subs didn’t get that.
Though that doesn’t help with these being in store.
The rest of the differences I think is easily answered by your research.
Different company producing them.
Maybe this Titan were just sent all the files and did printing themselves, thus the differences.
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Post by: angryboy2k
North America failed to join the rest of the world and doesn't use standard A4 paper - which I believe is the format Conquest was printed on.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
angryboy2k wrote:North America failed to join the rest of the world and doesn't use standard A4 paper - which I believe is the format Conquest was printed on.
Wait, what?
Is this a serious post?
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Post by: Danny76
Americans..
what are they like eh?
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Post by: posermcbogus
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:angryboy2k wrote:North America failed to join the rest of the world and doesn't use standard A4 paper - which I believe is the format Conquest was printed on.
Wait, what?
Is this a serious post?
Actually it is, yeah, they use Letter and Legal, which are slightly smaller, and then slightly larger than A4, respectively.
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Post by: angryboy2k
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:angryboy2k wrote:North America failed to join the rest of the world and doesn't use standard A4 paper - which I believe is the format Conquest was printed on. Wait, what? Is this a serious post? Yes. A4 paper is extremely hard to find in North America. And there's no such thing as lever-arch files here. People use D-ring folders (three hole, and different spacing to international three-hole punch) for card collections and even the very best run a small risk of pinching the bottom page under the rings - something that's not even possible with a lever-arch. The standard paper size here is "Letter": 8-1/2 by 11. That's inches - and it's not even exactly that size. The other common paper size in copiers is "Legal" - 8.5 x17. One major disadvantage compared to A4 and A3 pages is that you can't resize documents with a copier/printer without leaving a lot of white space (or black space if you like wasting toner).
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Post by: Kinetochore
Well I just signed up for standard version of this - its the final straw has made me succumb to collecting an Ultramarines, all Primaris army.
If your going loyalist go the full hog and get the most loyaly loyalists you can get!
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
angryboy2k wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:angryboy2k wrote:North America failed to join the rest of the world and doesn't use standard A4 paper - which I believe is the format Conquest was printed on.
Wait, what?
Is this a serious post?
Yes. A4 paper is extremely hard to find in North America. And there's no such thing as lever-arch files here. People use D-ring folders (three hole, and different spacing to international three-hole punch) for card collections and even the very best run a small risk of pinching the bottom page under the rings - something that's not even possible with a lever-arch.
The standard paper size here is "Letter": 8-1/2 by 11. That's inches - and it's not even exactly that size. The other common paper size in copiers is "Legal" - 8.5 x17. One major disadvantage compared to A4 and A3 pages is that you can't resize documents with a copier/printer without leaving a lot of white space (or black space if you like wasting toner).
Well I’ll be buggered!
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Post by: Danny76
It’s madness!
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