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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/22 14:05:59


Post by: Smokestack


https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/stone-realm-hard-plastic-multi-part-dwarves-in-28mm-scale?fbclid=IwAR10VzKhi6zoGz99_ZJn0OIxQhQztR_pjRZkCbOL0BhVvXFsSMo1OT7ydHE_aem_AQGZexAbazA5qoou1UihKpc99ARJIowJEOvVRaJZAAcW3a9YPT10paHzlNyDmiorAphgqI8fAZNWbL2q2wINYsrP_UQVPjKlguIQ-gsI2JLdUuCWHMrefFPVrqb6BRA_JHg



Fireforge games posted on their Facebook page that a new Kickstarter will be launched soon for the dwarf faction of their forgotten world line, there is an existing page her for that, but it was mostly dedicated to their northmen and is pretty old.,

The dwarves were a stretch goal during their northmen Kickstarter but were not reached, they originally planned on 2 kits, 1 infantry and 1 mounted, but not sure if anything will be added in their own Kickstarter.

Here is the original concept picture of the dwarves from their first Kickstarter, and a pic they just posted today of the dwarf cav wip.

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/22 14:15:00


Post by: Smokestack


Some more wip photos from Facebook


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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/22 14:19:02


Post by: lord_blackfang


Nice. I spent quite a bit on Peasants both living and dead in their first KS, and got a few undead army samplers, and was quite happy with the quality.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/22 14:23:34


Post by: Cronch


nice 25mm humans

But more seriously, nice looks, I like the not-viking take.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/22 14:32:37


Post by: endtransmission


That first concept is glorious. Not too sold on the follow up images though, We'll see how this goes


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/22 14:40:08


Post by: Smokestack


 endtransmission wrote:
That first concept is glorious. Not too sold on the follow up images though, We'll see how this goes


I agree for the most part. i really llke the first render. The WIP of the dwarf with the crossbow, i think is a little too large, but I can live with that. Foreforge confirmed on facebook, that the kit will have crossbows and Arquebuses available. The infantry will likely have 12 troops per box, like the northmen did. The Cavalry will likely be 6 to a box. I like the cavalry wip. I am thinking of doing a little people themed army, with fireforge dwarves and Wargames atlantic halflings. I am not usually a dwarf guy, but i like these.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/22 14:46:18


Post by: Yodhrin


As always the sculpts are technically excellent, but these won't be for me since I'm not a big fan of fantasy Dwarfs models I can picture angrily posturing every time a tall person walks past them at the local pub


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/22 14:50:50


Post by: Shadow Walker


I like ones from the first pic, not keen on the rest.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/22 14:58:27


Post by: Theophony


I think they fit nicely in with the human figures. They just look...too human, almost like a chubby short friend than a separate race.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/22 15:01:31


Post by: Smokestack


 Theophony wrote:
I think they fit nicely in with the human figures. They just look...too human, almost like a chubby short friend than a separate race.


Ha! Maybe thats why i like them.. They are my people!


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/22 15:53:05


Post by: judgedoug


the Forgotten Worlds plastics are fantastic, painted up both sides for Saga Age of Magic. Very much looking forward to this KS too!


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/22 18:00:42


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Theophony wrote:
I think they fit nicely in with the human figures. They just look...too human, almost like a chubby short friend than a separate race.


This is how I feel, too. They look far too similar to the humans from the last KS.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/22 20:16:23


Post by: StygianBeach


Maybe the heads and facial features are a bit small as well?


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/22 20:58:27


Post by: Sarouan


Got the Forgotten World undead miniatures from the first Kickstarter, and they're indeed good value as quality / price comparison.

I'll watch the KS and see what they will propose. I guess there will be specific bodies / arms / heads for the female dwarves, like for the zombie / living peasants.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/22 21:26:19


Post by: Theophony


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Theophony wrote:
I think they fit nicely in with the human figures. They just look...too human, almost like a chubby short friend than a separate race.


This is how I feel, too. They look far too similar to the humans from the last KS.


I don't think they are bad mind you. I like the idea that they have the same quilting of the padded armor and same style really. It makes it feel as though they are meant for Oathmark where different races come from the same region and can fight under the same banner. A racially mixed culture in a fantasy setting....who would have thunk it


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/22 23:58:10


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Sure, it’s nice they fit, but they’re not exactly charming my wallet out. It would help if there was something more distinctive to them.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/23 00:40:44


Post by: Taarnak


I like them. I like that they have the same sorta realistic style as the other stuff. The heads definitely need to be larger though.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/23 09:44:08


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


 Theophony wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Theophony wrote:
I think they fit nicely in with the human figures. They just look...too human, almost like a chubby short friend than a separate race.


This is how I feel, too. They look far too similar to the humans from the last KS.


I don't think they are bad mind you. I like the idea that they have the same quilting of the padded armor and same style really. It makes it feel as though they are meant for Oathmark where different races come from the same region and can fight under the same banner. A racially mixed culture in a fantasy setting....who would have thunk it
That's a good shout; I did think they were a bit too similar to the humans, but stylistically that does make them a nice pick for a society where the two live alongside each other.

Also agreeing that larger heads and perhaps slightly shorter legs would improve them a lot; they're just not quite visually distinctive enough as actual dwarves.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/23 14:30:18


Post by: Theophony


 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
 Theophony wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Theophony wrote:
I think they fit nicely in with the human figures. They just look...too human, almost like a chubby short friend than a separate race.


This is how I feel, too. They look far too similar to the humans from the last KS.


I don't think they are bad mind you. I like the idea that they have the same quilting of the padded armor and same style really. It makes it feel as though they are meant for Oathmark where different races come from the same region and can fight under the same banner. A racially mixed culture in a fantasy setting....who would have thunk it
That's a good shout; I did think they were a bit too similar to the humans, but stylistically that does make them a nice pick for a society where the two live alongside each other.

Also agreeing that larger heads and perhaps slightly shorter legs would improve them a lot; they're just not quite visually distinctive enough as actual dwarves.


I think a problem I have is that I see dwarves as having these fat fingers and big hands which is in juxtaposition to their ability to craft fine elements of jewelry. This can't be seen in miniature as humans wind up being ham fisted because of the size of spear shafts, bows and sword handles needed to make them durable, so the size isn't noticed in the two different species.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/23 19:40:00


Post by: Smokestack


I really liked the northmen and the villagers from ks 1. I wish that Fireforge was a little quicker on getting out follow up sets. If they had the speed that Wargames Atlantic had, then they would probably represent all of my hobby spending.

The Dwarves i think fit well with the Northmen, which is a bonus for me. I am sort of building an Empire type army with the Northmen... so I wanted hand gunners. The Dwarves should fit that role nicely. I like the Ram mounts.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/23 23:03:37


Post by: lord_blackfang


They'd work great for Oathmark, which is about mixed race kingdoms.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/26 12:47:09


Post by: Smokestack


Some new pics from facebook

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/26 12:56:12


Post by: Mr Morden


Not a fan of Goat cavalry - would have prefered Motor Bikes or mechanical steeds


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/26 15:04:48


Post by: Sarouan


 Mr Morden wrote:
Not a fan of Goat cavalry - would have prefered Motor Bikes or mechanical steeds


They're meant for a generic fantasy setting, rams are more suited for that.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/26 16:41:33


Post by: Smokestack


 Mr Morden wrote:
Not a fan of Goat cavalry - would have prefered Motor Bikes or mechanical steeds


motor bikes may have been off since this is supposed to be fantasy... The original kickstarter being a Game of Thrones type setting. Though mechanical steeds may have been cool. I actually like the rams though. Especially the female dwarf one pictured. Ram looks ready to head butt and cause some damage.

I asked on Facebook if there will be female heads with helmets too. Fireforge advised there will be.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/26 20:54:39


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


The goat cavalry (cabrolry?) have promise.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/27 08:04:19


Post by: insaniak


I like the Infantry models. Not sold on the goat cavalry, but then I wouldn't buy Dwarf cavalry anyway...


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/27 12:17:52


Post by: Sikil


Wow! I really look forward to buy me.some Fireforge Dwarves!


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/28 08:39:44


Post by: Midnightdeathblade


Whatever happened with the 'not Lannister models'? They looked so dope but I've never seen them after the KS.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/28 17:51:19


Post by: Smokestack


 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Whatever happened with the 'not Lannister models'? They looked so dope but I've never seen them after the KS.


When asked on Facebook, they say that they are still planned but not soon. They want to get some of their other factions out first. The Orcs being worked on now and probably the next after Dwarves, They also showed some WIP stuff... well concept stuff really, for elves.

People seem mixed on the not lannisters. With some asking for them and saying they will but a ton, and others saying that another human faction is not needed and there are plenty of human soldiers in plastic available. So they are probably looking to do stuff they think will sell better?

Personally I really liked the not lannisters and would definitely buy a bunch.


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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/02/28 18:30:30


Post by: lord_blackfang


Good plastic elves would be nice to see


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/01 19:15:14


Post by: judgedoug


Parts of the Not-Lannister armor is incorporated into the undead fellas soldiers set.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/01 20:46:36


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 lord_blackfang wrote:
Good plastic elves would be nice to see


What type of elves do you mean, specifically? Oathmark has two or three good quality plastic kits, although the scale and aesthetic are both subdued compared to most fantasy plastics.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/02 15:16:57


Post by: Smokestack


New pics. Per face book:

“ And today a preview of our dwarf crossbowmen. Among the accessories, our shooter kits for Stone Realm will also have the pavise option”

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/02 15:26:12


Post by: Shadow Walker


These ones I like more than a cavalry. It is nice to have the option with or without the shield,


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/02 18:20:34


Post by: Sarouan


They're growing on me. I like the "realistic dwarf approach" - no stupidly long beard, more practical, smaller than humans yes but not too much while still looking sturdy.

That and plastic female dwarves. What more to say ?


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/02 18:33:29


Post by: Smokestack


Some test prints (from face book)

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/02 22:41:13


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I like the test prints more than the renders, to say the least.

It's odd seeing such subdued dwarfs these days. Nobody is on fire, covered in runes, or tethered to all sorts of mechanical contraptions!


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/03 18:16:26


Post by: endtransmission


Agreed. Those test prints look really nice, I'm now looking forward to seeing the plastics again


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/04 11:51:17


Post by: Smokestack


Dwarf fusiliers


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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/04 12:02:50


Post by: Shadow Walker


I like these ones more than a crossbows. Somehow guns make them better.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/05 12:43:04


Post by: Smokestack


Scale shot


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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/06 07:34:02


Post by: Sikil


Love them!!! All of them...


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/06 14:18:00


Post by: Shadow Walker


Command option:

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/06 14:24:49


Post by: Smokestack


I’m not sure if I like the feathered caps. I kind of like it more on the female. But looking good on the other options.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/08 15:06:18


Post by: Smokestack


New scale shot

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/08 15:30:15


Post by: Shadow Walker


They definitely look good next to the other Forgotten World minis. If anyone would like to make their fantasy forces composed solely from that Fireforge range, for example for Oathmark, there will be no scale issues.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/09 20:22:59


Post by: Smokestack


New Ram riders pic


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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/10 05:10:18


Post by: StygianBeach


Dwarf printed Infantry look good, nice chunky heads.

Not sure about the Ram cavalry though, maybe something with a rams head and a Mules/donkeys/boars body would look more attractive to me. Something a bit more stable looking maybe?


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/10 08:35:20


Post by: Mr Morden


Like the gun/crossbow dwarfs - always wondered if that sort of pavise would work with a firing slot?


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/17 16:56:22


Post by: Smokestack


Two handed weapons

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/17 17:25:05


Post by: Shadow Walker


They look good.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/18 17:31:57


Post by: Shadow Walker


Painted Dwarf

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/18 17:38:27


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Looks good. Hope they’re compatible with the Oathmark dwarves.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/18 17:45:49


Post by: Shadow Walker


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Looks good. Hope they’re compatible with the Oathmark dwarves.

Basing it on the scale comparison pic above I would say that they are bigger than the Oathmark Dwarves.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/18 21:25:53


Post by: Gallahad


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Looks good. Hope they’re compatible with the Oathmark dwarves.

Their heads and hands are in wildly different scales.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/18 22:14:43


Post by: lord marcus


 lord_blackfang wrote:
Good plastic elves would be nice to see


Oathmark elves?


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/19 00:10:46


Post by: Gallahad


 lord marcus wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Good plastic elves would be nice to see


Oathmark elves?

The oathmark are nice, but very very small. I'd love to see plastic elves that don't look out of place compared to fantasy miniatures.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/23 13:59:24


Post by: Smokestack


Resin hero. Runelaerde.

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/23 19:42:46


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Read that as “Rune Lard”. Now I don’t know what to think.

It doesn’t help that he’s trying to sell me a Bimbo sweet bread.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/23 20:12:32


Post by: Smokestack


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Read that as “Rune Lard”. Now I don’t know what to think.

It doesn’t help that he’s trying to sell me a Bimbo sweet bread.


Ha! I looked at it and saw him saying "fear this potato, for it is doom...!" I like the mounted version better than the foot guy. But he is likely to be a free hero included with the bigger pledges anyway.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/23 20:34:27


Post by: Shadow Walker


One on ram is my favourite.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/24 17:02:26


Post by: Smokestack


General

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/24 17:11:29


Post by: Shadow Walker


I do not like him. Rune guy was much better.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/24 17:15:23


Post by: Smokestack


 Shadow Walker wrote:
I do not like him. Rune guy was much better.


I like him. I wasn’t sure about the feathers, but the more I look, the more I get younger dwarven prince. I like him more than the potato if doom... but I kind of like the Runelaerd too. Though the resin heroes were my least favorite part of ks1...


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/24 17:27:56


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Smokestack wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
I do not like him. Rune guy was much better.


I wasn’t sure about the feathers,

They are my least favourite part of this model. Kinda not dwarfy for me.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/24 19:08:23


Post by: Ian Sturrock


I think the feathers are there for the Landsknecht vibe. But certainly to anyone used to GW fantasy tropes, feathers = elves.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/25 13:59:47


Post by: Smokestack


I asked on Facebook. There wont be any female heroes in this campaign. It looks the the 2 resin heroes are it as far as heroes go.

The kits will be
* 1 ranged kit - that can make either crossbows or muskets.
* 1 melee kit - that will have spears, melee weapons and shields
* 1 mounted kit- that will have options for pistoliers or knights.

So 3 kits and 2 heroes. Though in a post Fireforge had said there would be 7 kits in the kickstarter. but i am not sure if they are counting each kit as 2 as they can make different units? and Possibly counting a command sprue as seperate as well. Speaking of which, there will be a command sprue. If it follows with the Northmen, there should be a command sprue in each set. (same sprue).

Fireforge still has not confirmed a launch date, but says they are thinking the middle of April. so either the week of the 12th or the week of the 19th likely.



Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/25 14:39:04


Post by: porkuslime


Dwarf Hero on Ram, on tactical rock.. not a fan

I love the Rune potato priest.. and want one, but not enough to back unless he is a add on


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/25 14:44:44


Post by: Smokestack


 porkuslime wrote:
Dwarf Hero on Ram, on tactical rock.. not a fan

I love the Rune potato priest.. and want one, but not enough to back unless he is a add on


Resin heroes were available as add-ons last time, so should be here too. They also opened it up to buy existing stuff at a discount last time too... So if you are interested in any of their historicals or the northmen or undead... it will probably be available,. I am kind of wanting some Byzantines.... so maybe.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/31 13:32:14


Post by: Smokestack


Dwarf warriors


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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/31 13:48:08


Post by: Shadow Walker


Male dwarf in the middle of the second row looks badass.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/03/31 13:57:30


Post by: Galas


Sword in the shoulder is one of the most badass poses one can give to any character. A shame they don't use it more instead abusing of tactical rocks.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/01 07:48:47


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Galas wrote:
Sword in the shoulder is one of the most badass poses one can give to any character. A shame they don't use it more instead abusing of tactical rocks.
Agreed, that pose could be used more.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/02 16:39:38


Post by: Smokestack


With bludgeoning weapons

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/03 05:17:24


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Guy in the bottom middle is definitely singing “hi-ho hi-ho”.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/03 09:42:59


Post by: Shadow Walker


Nice choice of weapons.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/06 11:40:08


Post by: Smokestack


Spears

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/06 13:36:03


Post by: Shadow Walker


I don't know, somehow the spears do not seem right.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/06 16:56:17


Post by: Smokestack


 Shadow Walker wrote:
I don't know, somehow the spears do not seem right.


The spears themselves or the angles they are being held? I’m not sure on them. I think I am going to do 3 units of 20. That’s 60 dwarves which is 5 boxes (at12 per box). I know one unit will be hammers. One will likely be 2 handed weapons... and maybe the last will be spears, also one unit will be all female... probably the hammers.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/06 17:05:13


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Smokestack wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
I don't know, somehow the spears do not seem right.


The spears themselves or the angles they are being held? I’m not sure on them. I think I am going to do 3 units of 20. That’s 60 dwarves which is 5 boxes (at12 per box). I know one unit will be hammers. One will likely be 2 handed weapons... and maybe the last will be spears, also one unit will be all female... probably the hammers.

More the angles but I just cannot explain it better than that they do not look right with these dwarves.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/08 14:04:27


Post by: Smokestack


The big resume thread about our upcoming kickstarter campaign for our Dwarves!

Campaign launch: mid/end april
Box sets (hard plastic multi-part kits):
- Hammerers: shields and one handed weapon (war axe/mace) or two handed weapons
- Warriors: shields and sword or spears
- Arquebusiers: pavise and arquebus
- Crossbowmen: pavise and heavy crossbow
- Rambukk Riders: options for pistols, warhammer/mace/axe, lances or sword

Any box set will contain a command frame with all the options to assemble musician, standard bearer and champions

Will be also released 2 character multi-part kits in resin (our new resin used for byzantine varangians)

Please help our project sharing this post

Any questions?

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/08 14:17:09


Post by: Shadow Walker


Why would some kits (Hammerers/Warriors or Arquebusiers/Crossbowmen), that seem only to be different by a weapon carried, not be a dual kits or rather the same kit with weapons options? Is it because there would be no space on the frame to put all the weapon options?


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Post by: Smokestack


 Shadow Walker wrote:
Why would some kits (Hammerers/Warriors or Arquebusiers/Crossbowmen), that seem only to be different by a weapon carried, not be a dual kits or rather the same kit with weapons options? Is it because there would be no space on the frame to put all the weapon options?


I asked on Facebook, specifically about the warriors and hammerers. “ The hammerers and warriors are different sets? Are the torsos and heads different? Or just different weapon options?”

“ Bill Redford just different weapons (there is not enough space on the frame)”


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I prefer the muskets over crossbows, so my choice is clear there... the rams are one kit so I don’t have to make a choice there... but the hammerers vs warriors... I was gonna get 5 boxes (60 dwarves) to make 3 units of 20... but now I am not sure what to buy.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/08 15:26:57


Post by: Shadow Walker


If I would need to choose between 4 boxes and get only 2 then it would be Hammerers and Arquebusiers. I like more axes/hammers etc. on the dwarves rather than swords/spears, and black powder guns look simply better than the crossbows on the pics shown so far.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/08 15:42:22


Post by: Smokestack


 Shadow Walker wrote:
If I would need to choose between 4 boxes and get only 2 then it would be Hammerers and Arquebusiers. I like more axes/hammers etc. on the dwarves rather than swords/spears, and black powder guns look simply better than the crossbows on the pics shown so far.


I agree, and this is how I am leaning right now.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/08 16:23:52


Post by: Theophony


Too bad they couldn't have just made the weapons on a separate sprue of mixed weapons then and added other bodies or options on the main sprue. Either way they will sell, I am really impressed with their kits that I have seen.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/08 16:25:27


Post by: Smokestack


As far as the future of the range... Fireforge said

“after dwarves we will have another big Kickstarter in September but in the meanwhile we will release other kits without any campaign”

So another is in September... Orcs? With smaller releases outside of Kickstarter in between.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/08 16:45:00


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Smokestack wrote:

So another is in September... Orcs?

Or maybe the other human faction aka notLannisters?


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/08 17:05:22


Post by: Smokestack


 Shadow Walker wrote:
 Smokestack wrote:

So another is in September... Orcs?

Or maybe the other human faction aka notLannisters?


I would be happy with the not-Lannisters... but... I doubt they will be in September. They have already shown wip stuff for the orcs. And at one point seemed to imply the prcs were before the dwarves.

The not Lannisters on the other hand... when asked, all they will say is that they are still planned but not soon. Other than the initial concepts from ks1, nothing more has been previewed on them. They have said though that there may be something more for the northmen coming soon. I am hoping for some artillery, or some unique units... like Not-Mormont Amazon women,

But I would say in all likelihood, maybe another box or two of northmen maybe released on their own outside of Kickstarter... and then likely orcs (based on the wip stuff they have shown) in September.

But this is just me speculating, not based on any hard facts,


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/08 17:12:15


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Smokestack wrote:

But I would say in all likelihood, maybe another box or two of northmen maybe released on their own outside of Kickstarter... and then likely orcs (based on the wip stuff they have shown) in September.
But this is just me speculating, not based on any hard facts,

I do not like their orcs at all so I hope that you are wrong


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/08 17:34:57


Post by: Smokestack


 Shadow Walker wrote:

I do not like their orcs at all so I hope that you are wrong


I’m not a huge fan... well, I like them ok, but probably would not start an army with them. But thinking of them as primaris sized demons that come in male and female, I’m sure I can find some uses for them.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/08 17:47:00


Post by: Sarouan


Funnily enough, I'm waiting for their orcs actually. I like what they did for their design. I hope they won't change too much when their time comes.

The dwarves are nice but I don't need a dwarf army.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/19 16:33:10


Post by: Smokestack


Here is the parts included on the command sprue. No start date for launch of ks... but they stated “very soon”




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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/19 16:53:00


Post by: Shadow Walker


Head on the left is my favourite. Also it is nice that you can have a hand holding a helmet.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/19 16:58:36


Post by: Albino Squirrel


I wish the faces were different, so your multiple command models could look like different individuals, not twins but one's wearing a hat.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/19 17:08:06


Post by: lord_blackfang


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
I wish the faces were different, so your multiple command models could look like different individuals, not twins but one's wearing a hat.


Yeah bad place to be cutting corners. Looks like Wargames Atlantic Aztecs is also a sprue of 2 different people in 6 types of hat each.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/19 17:23:32


Post by: Smokestack


Fireforge confirmed on Facebook that the regular sprues will have 12 legs in addition to the 4 on the command sprue. So you will get 16 legs per box...


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/28 11:42:10


Post by: Smokestack


This Kickstarter will be delayed a few weeks. But... the upshot is the Orcs will also be part of the Kickstarter.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/28 12:51:07


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Smokestack wrote:
This Kickstarter will be delayed a few weeks. But... the upshot is the Orcs will also be part of the Kickstarter.
I think it would make this KS more appealing to people who wanted both or were waiting just for the orcs. I hope that dwarves will be fast to appear in the retail, alongside the new kits for the living dead


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/28 15:26:20


Post by: Sarouan


Oh, good. The orcs are the ones I'm interested in.

It's okay to wait a bit more, they'll have more time getting more ready to show us when it's online.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/28 16:57:46


Post by: Smokestack


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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/28 17:01:04


Post by: Smokestack


Here is the original teaser pic of the Orcs. Which was supposed to be an infantry set and a cavalry set “on beasts”

Will see what kits they come up with.


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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/28 17:40:29


Post by: Albino Squirrel


They're more like ogres than orcs, being that much bigger than humans.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/28 17:47:25


Post by: skeleton


cant say they look like orcs from my point of view.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/28 18:02:07


Post by: Smokestack


 skeleton wrote:
cant say they look like orcs from my point of view.


That has been a common complaint on facebook, that and that they look like WoW orcs. Also the size, some love, some hate.

My opinion... I love the size. It conveys the barabaris strength and power. I agree that they do look more like ogres based on size... kind of resemble mantic ogres a bit style wise too. I Also like the fact that there are male and female. Really adds to the set.

I agree that orc-wise, they dont fit with other orcs... whether thats good or bad, thats up to the individual. I have never been an "orc guy" so i am fine with that. I may npt use them as orcs. Maybe Demons, or Ogres, or something new... Irda from Dragon Lance?

But... the kits will most likely be great, as everything i have gotten from FireForge has been. Which is why I have been updating this thread.

So will I get a ton of the orcs? Probably not. But I will say getting at least one box of each orc kit is likely.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/28 18:07:16


Post by: Galas


D&D's orcs have always been bigger than humans, by a good margin. WoW orcs, also, while remaining "Human" anatomy and proportions for their limbs and structure.

LOTR orcs are more goblinoid in modern fantasy than proper "orks": Uruks would be what most people thinks when they think in what an orc is.

Warhammer Orks are peculiar. Normal ones are human sized but much broader, and then you have different types (black orcs, nobz) that are bigger and they proportions are totally different.

This kind of orcs is clearly based in the D&D/WoW style of orc-kind, and not the warhammer or LOTR ones.


Ogres are normally nearly double the size of a normal humans. This ones aren't.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/28 18:21:42


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I’m not a fan or orcs in general, but I like these. I hope they have enough extra heads for some Sci fi conversions.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/28 19:33:25


Post by: Sarouan


Yes, that's why I like these orcs. They're not Warhammer orcs nor Tolkien orcs. They look indeed a bit more Warcraft / modern Dungeon and Dragon orcs. They're not ogre-sized as well. Just in between.

They will be perfect to make a small army for Saga : Age of Magic.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/28 20:04:18


Post by: Kalamadea


I like these a LOT! Like, really REALLY like these a lot! It's about time somebody produced some wow-styled orcs! There's been a few good STLs people produce if you have resin printers (I don't), but certainly nothing in plastic.

Size is perhaps a bit large, but still within what an orc should be. I can see using these alongside Mantics new goblin regiment for some nice O&G warbands. These are actually the first of the Fireforge Fantasy line that really appeals


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/28 20:18:28


Post by: Midnightdeathblade


They look like larger orcs from Elder Scrolls. I think they look pretty cool. Could easily be a demon/human hybrid faction as well with the horns


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Well I guess the original renders looked like Elder Scrolls Orcs, new ones do indeed resemble WOW.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/29 08:24:51


Post by: Albertorius


change the heads, and you have perfectly good chaos marauders


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/29 08:35:16


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Albertorius wrote:
change the heads, and you have perfectly good chaos marauders
Good idea, especially for Khorne ones.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/29 13:24:03


Post by: Ian Sturrock


Oooh yes. Puppetswar's Norsemen heads would look amazing on these.



https://puppetswar.eu/norsemen-heads.html


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/29 13:35:42


Post by: Orlanth


Yes I like these orcs. They are departure form the GW aesthetic, and in a way some are conditioned to not accept them as they do not look like boyz.

I think the better represent Warcraft orcs, Gothic orcs and D&D orcs.

Yes, these kits can do double service as barbarians with head swaps.

I can understand why some people have a Marmite reaction to this kit, but I approve and am tempted to buy.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/29 13:40:23


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


What is a gothic orc?


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/29 13:43:19


Post by: Galas


Gothic is a old school RPG that is basically a religious cult in poland.

I assume hes talking about that.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/29 13:55:08


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Huh. Never heard of it.

I’m kind of disappointed he wasn’t talking about some old gothic horror book, perhaps The Strange Case of Doctor Sniprot and Mister Gorguts.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/29 14:19:48


Post by: Esmer


I really like these Orcs, altough admittely, they won't mash with any other Orc set.

So probably good for a Skirmisher or Semi-Skirmisher like Frostgrave or Saga, but less so for a mass battle game like KoW.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/29 15:10:16


Post by: Gallahad


Huh. I dig the size. I'd prefer them a bit smaller, but I'm all in favor of plastic fantasy kits that add something unique to the world.

They look like they might scale well with Conquest Last Argument of Kings? Although they have their own cool orcs coming too...


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/29 17:37:44


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Gallahad wrote:

They look like they might scale well with Conquest Last Argument of Kings?

They are Primaris sized = normal human in Conquest.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/29 20:35:18


Post by: Smokestack


I am actually starting to like the orcs more. Especially with all the head swap suggestions you guys have been mentioning.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/29 20:59:21


Post by: insaniak


I like them. Wish they were all wearing boots, as they would feel more appropriate for sci-fi conversions... but they've managed to find a cool Orc design that doesn't copy the GW aesthetic, which is hard to do.



Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/29 21:06:36


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Galas wrote:
Gothic is a old school RPG that is basically a religious cult in poland.

I assume hes talking about that.


Every Polish man and woman are taught to play two games from youngest age that the entire Polish culture is founded on

These two games are Gothic and Heroes of Might And Magic III


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/30 02:13:02


Post by: StygianBeach


I like the Orcs, wish they were a tad smaller though, like between Primaris and Human.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/30 03:36:56


Post by: Da Butcha


They are neat looking models, but even allowing for different aesthetics, I just don't see orcs as having horns on their heads, any more than I see elves or dwarves having horns on their heads (of course, there are examples, even in Warhammer, like some of the Chaos Dwarves, but the adjective is the key). Given that these aren't 'chaos' orcs, or 'demonic' orcs, but just orcs, it seems like a weird choice.

I think if they had called them Oni, or Infernals, or Hell-touched, I wouldn't have blinked about it.

So, I feel like it's a weird move to make orcs look like this (just as I would if you made dwarves small, slightly built, and winged), I think the models are pretty neat and have a distinct look for a faction in their game. The look of the models conveys the nature of the faction really well.

I'm just not sure, marketing-wise, if it's a better choice to call them a recognizable fantasy race, and have them look different, or call them by some less recognizable fantasy race and risk losing out on name recognition. I could see that going either way.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/30 03:59:55


Post by: Sgt. Cortez


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Galas wrote:
Gothic is a old school RPG that is basically a religious cult in poland.

I assume hes talking about that.


Every Polish man and woman are taught to play two games from youngest age that the entire Polish culture is founded on

These two games are Gothic and Heroes of Might And Magic III


In Germany Gothic was very successful, too. But then Gothic III was terrible so the Elder Scrolls took over


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/30 04:00:58


Post by: insaniak


Da Butcha wrote:
They are neat looking models, but even allowing for different aesthetics, I just don't see orcs as having horns on their heads, any more than I see elves or dwarves having horns on their heads (of course, there are examples, even in Warhammer, like some of the Chaos Dwarves, but the adjective is the key). Given that these aren't 'chaos' orcs, or 'demonic' orcs, but just orcs, it seems like a weird choice.

Some people said the same about GW's orcs having jaws the size of the rest of their heads, when those models were first revealed. And yet to many, that is the 'iconic' orc look these days. Warcraft Orcs have hair, which some also had issues with to begin with. Hell, even orcs having green skin is completely wrong if you go by Tolkien's descriptions. So it's really all down to whether you choose to allow these to be their own thing, or restrict yourself to an archetype developed by other companies to sell their own versions.

The main prerequisites for an Orc, so far as I can tell, are that they should be big, brutish, relatively primitive humanoids. These fit the bill, horns or no, IMO.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/30 08:43:00


Post by: lord_blackfang


I like the modern RPG looking Orcs. Wouldn't make an army of them but a box for random enemies, sure.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/04/30 09:17:26


Post by: Sarouan


As for the horns, it's clearly a design choice from Fireforge. Good news for those who don't like them, they'll be in plastic / resin, so it shouldn't be difficult to cut them off if you really aren't fond of them. They aren't that big either.

The thing is, since Fireforge is making this product line for a game they sell, they made a universe too. So making orcs different from another fantasy universe makes sense here. Sure, they may not be to everyone's tastes, but you can't blame a designer to have a very specific idea on how should their orcs look in their world.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/14 18:55:26


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Smokestack wrote:
But no real info on it.
Also no info about orcs being included so maybe they will be a separate ks after all?


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/14 19:00:32


Post by: Smokestack


 Shadow Walker wrote:
 Smokestack wrote:
But no real info on it.
Also no info about orcs being included so maybe they will be a separate ks after all?


Maybe... they have been silent since that orc announcement. I expected some WIP renders for the orcs, like they did for the dwarves... but nothing has been mentioned since. And even the link above on Facebook was basically just the link. No verbiage as to what or when...?


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/14 19:19:05


Post by: Sarouan


 Smokestack wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
 Smokestack wrote:
But no real info on it.
Also no info about orcs being included so maybe they will be a separate ks after all?


Maybe... they have been silent since that orc announcement. I expected some WIP renders for the orcs, like they did for the dwarves... but nothing has been mentioned since. And even the link above on Facebook was basically just the link. No verbiage as to what or when...?


Orcs aren't indeed into this Kickstarter, they announced it on their Facebook page (the good link is inside the quote as well) :


Fireforge Games
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Follow our link to save our project
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/stone-realm-hard-plastic-multi-part-dwarves-in-28mm-scale?ref=e2kcfp&token=e1a62c36&fbclid=IwAR1pAfCbuApNw-AKhne2oWkTkrlR7GXg24lbSjTHZhzvFfkO8OlmCvYHLPE
We had delays, but the project is ready to be launched. It will be only for dwarf models (sorry orc players but we still have to work on orc models, they are not ready). Join our kickstarter (we will launch it during next week) to help us in releasing a wonderful range of hard plastic dwarves!
This is your chance to be part of this project and of course your chance to get access to our discounts program!


Sad, but well if they're not ready, they're not ready. Better to be clear and honest before the campaign is starting.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/14 19:30:08


Post by: Smokestack


Thanks I hadnt seen that part... Next week? Ok. Im ready


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/17 18:03:48


Post by: Smokestack


Parts lay outs from the ks preview page… and they are selling accessory sprues to customize…

Customize your units by adding our accessories to your pledge (5€ each kit):




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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/17 19:29:16


Post by: Theophony


Man I really do like the thought involved in these, I was just looking at doing a Mantic Dwarf army too . I really like the shooter torsos.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/17 19:55:38


Post by: Smokestack


I want units of 20, for the dwarves...

I am not sure how the command sprue interacts... The sets were said to be 12 dwarves to a box for infantry. There are 6 legs on the infantry sprues... so it looks like 3 sprues to a box. 2 infantry sprue and 1 command sprue per box.

Which means 16 legs and 15 torsos per box... thanks to the accessory sprues, the extra torso needed is not an issue. So, basically 1 box = 16 dwarves if that is the actual case.

So... 10 boxes makes 160 dwarves.
That means i could have 8 units of 20...
So 5 boxes of warriors, 5 boxes of Hammerers. 5 boxes of Muskets will make 3 units of musketeers... and i would have the command sprues as bonus figures from them.
and 4 boxes of cavalry, is 4 units of 6 rams...

so... 19 boxes... will yield
60 muskets
160 infantry
24 cavalry
and plenty of left overs for command squad or artillery conversions.



Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/17 20:03:49


Post by: Theophony


Way too much math for me. It is strange that there are 4 legs and 3 torsos on the command sprue though .

Maybe its just two sprues of the troops per box with the command sprue being separate, otherwise that's going to be a lot of extra flags and stuff left over. I'll have to really sit down and do some planning tonight.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/17 20:11:36


Post by: Smokestack


 Theophony wrote:
Way too much math for me. It is strange that there are 4 legs and 3 torsos on the command sprue though .

Maybe its just two sprues of the troops per box with the command sprue being separate, otherwise that's going to be a lot of extra flags and stuff left over. I'll have to really sit down and do some planning tonight.


Agreed. With the Northman, i had a similar dilemma. I wanted units of 30... it was a bit easier as all the weapon options for the infantry were in the one box, and the command did not come with extra legs... so 5 boxes of northmen made 60 infantry or 2 units of 30... So 10 boxes made the 4 units of 30 i wanted. Which ended up as:
* 1 unit of 30 spear and shield
* 1 unit of 30 2-handed spear
* 1 unit of 30 sword and shield
* 1 unit of 30 converted halberd
120 total infantry...

I dont know if i really need 160 dwarf infantry though... I also have to work out the weapon option numbers, as in my 2-handed hammers group, I want them all to have 2-handed hammers, no axes... and the 1 handed weapons on the hammerers are all different... :( I am even debating making an all female foot unit of pistoliers...


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/17 21:13:24


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


The accessory sprues are really interesting, especially since some kits come with more legs than torsos.

Does one of the female dwarf torsos have an optional boob-window/gorget combo? I’m not sure what’s going on with that, but if so that’s one way to have all the bases covered (or not).


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/18 01:31:33


Post by: Smokestack


19 boxes means 19 command sprues…

The cavalry sets will come with a command sprue too… so a box of cavalry can make 6 mounted troops and 3 infantry… with an extra set of legs.

If I did get 19 boxes…just the command sprues would yield 57 torsos and 76 legs.
15 boxes of infantry means 180 infantry…so that’s 256 legs 237 torsos… so I would need 19 more torsos to make 256 complete dwarves..


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/18 01:53:55


Post by: insaniak


The female heads all have the exact same face...

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Does one of the female dwarf torsos have an optional boob-window/gorget combo? I’m not sure what’s going on with that, but if so that’s one way to have all the bases covered (or not).

Does look like it. That's a really clever piece of design.



Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/18 04:16:07


Post by: Midnightdeathblade


Ill be grabbing 5 boxes of Aquebusiers. Ive been wracking my brain for months trying to figure out how I could turn my 60 Northmen longbow-men into hand gunners. I bought some arms from Anvil-Industries and asked some friends to 3D print some rifles but none of them came through.

Now ill just build them as longbow-men and use these as hand gunners. Yay.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/18 19:23:14


Post by: Smokestack


I asked on facebook, if they could add the left handed pistol from the command sprue to the additional pistols accessory sprue. will see what they say.



Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 09:29:05


Post by: Grumpy Gnome


 Smokestack wrote:
I asked on facebook, if they could add the left handed pistol from the command sprue to the additional pistols accessory sprue. will see what they say.



Good suggestion.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 09:37:07


Post by: lord_blackfang


Mighty impressive range, but competing against GW, Mantic, Oathmark... I wonder how well it can do.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 11:12:01


Post by: Midnightdeathblade


 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mighty impressive range, but competing against GW, Mantic, Oathmark... I wonder how well it can do.


The Northmen in my opinion are the best heroic scale fantasy human infantry on the market. No crazy mono-pose "multi-part" infantry that is GW's M.O at this point. You get what you want for line infantry, similarly posed, not overly dynamic, a true multi-part kit to give just enough subtle variation between each model to keep a block of infantry interesting, but all preforming the same relative task. Plus a choice of spears or swords, and command sprues a-plenty.



Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 14:59:06


Post by: lord marcus


 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mighty impressive range, but competing against GW, Mantic, Oathmark... I wonder how well it can do.


The Northmen in my opinion are the best heroic scale fantasy human infantry on the market. No crazy mono-pose "multi-part" infantry that is GW's M.O at this point. You get what you want for line infantry, similarly posed, not overly dynamic, a true multi-part kit to give just enough subtle variation between each model to keep a block of infantry interesting, but all preforming the same relative task. Plus a choice of spears or swords, and command sprues a-plenty.


Yea but only 12 models a box......

That said, fireforge just posted some potentially inflammatory stuff on thier Facebook page.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 15:05:14


Post by: Shadow Walker


 lord marcus wrote:
 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mighty impressive range, but competing against GW, Mantic, Oathmark... I wonder how well it can do.


The Northmen in my opinion are the best heroic scale fantasy human infantry on the market. No crazy mono-pose "multi-part" infantry that is GW's M.O at this point. You get what you want for line infantry, similarly posed, not overly dynamic, a true multi-part kit to give just enough subtle variation between each model to keep a block of infantry interesting, but all preforming the same relative task. Plus a choice of spears or swords, and command sprues a-plenty.


Yea but only 12 models a box......

That said, fireforge just posted some potentially inflammatory stuff on thier Facebook page.
You mean this:
"Every day we receive an email from a chinese company, represented by an employee with an english name, who proposes to make the molds for our products at an off-market price. Professional companies, who have experience in creating miniatures and scale models (from wargames to board games) that can provide a job at a price 90% lower than that provided by western companies.
There are UK and US companies in scale models and board game market that have decided to make of chinese low costs their strength.
When choosing the products of our company, please always remember that you are financing a company that adequately compensates its employees and its external collaborators.
We and our suppliers comply with all international standards and regulations.''


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 15:05:26


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 lord marcus wrote:
 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mighty impressive range, but competing against GW, Mantic, Oathmark... I wonder how well it can do.


The Northmen in my opinion are the best heroic scale fantasy human infantry on the market. No crazy mono-pose "multi-part" infantry that is GW's M.O at this point. You get what you want for line infantry, similarly posed, not overly dynamic, a true multi-part kit to give just enough subtle variation between each model to keep a block of infantry interesting, but all preforming the same relative task. Plus a choice of spears or swords, and command sprues a-plenty.


Yea but only 12 models a box......

That said, fireforge just posted some potentially inflammatory stuff on thier Facebook page.


Ooooh, some fresh, spicy drama fresh from Zuccbook, what did they post?


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 15:11:34


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


Ooooh, some fresh, spicy drama fresh from Zuccbook, what did they post?
Page before


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 15:37:36


Post by: lord_blackfang


I don't see anything inflammatory about that.

That said. Archon have in-house casting in Poland and their Kickstarter prices are about 1€ a sprue and presumably their workers also get to eat (at European prices), so how much is everybody else fleecing us?


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 15:44:52


Post by: Theophony


I have no qualms with what they said.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 15:49:48


Post by: DaveC


Lord Marcus seems to have a connection to Wargames Atlantic (from that thread) and they outsource to China for manufacturing. Bit of a spat between rival companies? I don’t really see the issue with what was posted.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 15:55:49


Post by: Albino Squirrel


I suppose if you were a Chinese person, or worked for a Chinese plastic manufacturing company, that could be seen as inflammatory.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 16:09:22


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
I suppose if you were a Chinese person, or worked for a Chinese plastic manufacturing company, that could be seen as inflammatory.


I don't think Facebook is allowed in China.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 16:19:06


Post by: Sarouan


No, there's nothing really inflammatory here. It's a basic argument to justify your prices and also talk about their own principles.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

That said. Archon have in-house casting in Poland and their Kickstarter prices are about 1€ a sprue and presumably their workers also get to eat (at European prices), so how much is everybody else fleecing us?


Poland isn't really known as paradise for workers rights and good salaries for them.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 16:21:12


Post by: Shadow Walker


Sarouan wrote:
No, there's nothing really inflammatory here. It's a basic argument to justify your prices and also talk about their own principles.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

That said. Archon have in-house casting in Poland and their Kickstarter prices are about 1€ a sprue and presumably their workers also get to eat (at European prices), so how much is everybody else fleecing us?


Poland isn't really known as paradise for workers rights and good salaries for them.
This.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 16:26:45


Post by: Theophony


I wonder if the message to them was written by Tony Reidy


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 18:01:48


Post by: Smokestack


the 12 models to a box, is the only thing I really dont like. But the models are great so I am ok with it.

If they are referring to Wargames Atlantic, thats a shame, since I love wargames atlantic as well.

I dont think the statement about chinese manufacturing was anything really terrible, but i can see how a company that does use chinese could take it as such.

I havent heard back about my suggestion for the left handed pistols. I even photoshopped a picture for them.


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 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Ill be grabbing 5 boxes of Aquebusiers. Ive been wracking my brain for months trying to figure out how I could turn my 60 Northmen longbow-men into hand gunners. I bought some arms from Anvil-Industries and asked some friends to 3D print some rifles but none of them came through.

Now ill just build them as longbow-men and use these as hand gunners. Yay.


Have you seen the upcoming Wargames Atlantic Conquistadors? They should fit well with the Northmen, as the guy who designed them also designed the Northmen for Fireforge. I planned on using them as handgunners for my Northmen... I may still, but I am kind of planning a full conquistador army in addition to my northmen...

It will depend on how big the Conquistadors are, but you could probably just use Northmen heads on them and they would all tie together.


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And I now want a 20 "man" infantry squad of female dwarves with only pistols...

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 18:30:38


Post by: Theophony


I like it, but I wish there was a second left hand gun option as I think all the same left hands will look a bit wonky in an otherwise diverse unit.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 18:33:04


Post by: Smokestack


 Theophony wrote:
I like it, but I wish there was a second left hand gun option as I think all the same left hands will look a bit wonky in an otherwise diverse unit.


I definitely agree. especially since the pose on the left handed pistol appears to be straight out to the side.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 18:35:08


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I thought the advantage of plastic was that once you paid for tooling, each individual sprue was very cheap, giving plastic the power of scale. Scale means you can make your box a better deal by throwing in twice as many sprues/minis for very little additional cost, making your product more attractive to buy. These are not resin minis. So, limiting the box to 12 minis seems more of a calculated move to get customers to buy more boxes to fill an army rather than trying to entice customers to buy more boxes because they’re great value. I don’t like that.


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I thought the advantage of plastic was that once you paid for tooling, each individual sprue was very cheap, giving plastic the power of scale. Scale means you can make your box a better deal by throwing in twice as many sprues/minis for very little additional cost, making your product more attractive to buy. These are not resin minis. So, limiting the box to 12 minis seems more of a calculated move to get customers to buy more boxes to fill an army rather than trying to entice customers to buy more boxes because they’re great value. I don’t like that.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 18:39:47


Post by: Smokestack


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

I thought the advantage of plastic was that once you paid for tooling, each individual sprue was very cheap, giving plastic the power of scale. Scale means you can make your box a better deal by throwing in twice as many sprues/minis for very little additional cost, making your product more attractive to buy. These are not resin minis. So, limiting the box to 12 minis seems more of a calculated move to get customers to buy more boxes to fill an army rather than trying to entice customers to buy more boxes because they’re great value. I don’t like that.


Yeah, there was a discussion about this on Fireforge's old thread here. They claimed the price of sculpting and what not for fantasy was more expensive than Historical sets... and there are more options... so the price had to be higher to recoup costs... which is why only 12. I admit I am not really familiar with what costs are... so I am not sure its a valid argument... But I like the figures so? But this is a reason I have only gotten them through Kickstarter... as the discount makes it go down easier.



Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 18:41:10


Post by: Theophony


Well, just remember these models are game agnostic, so they can be used for more than just Kings of War. One box is plenty to make a warband of Dwarves for FrostGrave or other skirmish games. Also if Mantic still allows for 50%+1 for basing your units this has more than enough figures in a box.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 18:45:03


Post by: Smokestack


Though I am now interested to see what the future orc box will be. Fireforge had said the orcs would be a horde type army, and have 18 in a box, like the militia townsfolk had... but... that was before the Orcs became Primaris... so will it still be 18... now larger orcs? or will it be 12... or will it be less because they are bigger.. Hmmmm


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 18:49:42


Post by: Theophony


They could save a bit of money with the kickstarter if they just throw the sprues in large cardboard boxes instead of retail boxes. Then again I think Mantic tried that a long time ago and there were counting issues.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 18:57:03


Post by: Smokestack


 Theophony wrote:
They could save a bit of money with the kickstarter if they just throw the sprues in large cardboard boxes instead of retail boxes. Then again I think Mantic tried that a long time ago and there were counting issues.


Shieldwolf did that with the shield maidens in their shield maiden kickstarter. It probably worked ok, but i was never sure if I got the right amount of figures...

Fireforge did it too, for the peasants as the boxes were not ready and there was some delay/issues with some orders in that kickstarter. Most of my order came in wave 1, and then the peasants in wave 2. They were just in plastic bags, and it was not a big deal... but because of some issues I seem to recall people making a big deal. Not sure if it was about that though.

Mantic... it was the basaleans (sp) the paladin guys, the goblins and the ogres. The humans... well the bags were not something i minded. The only part i didnt mind... The ogres and goblins were fine though.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/19 20:41:50


Post by: lord marcus


 DaveC wrote:
Lord Marcus seems to have a connection to Wargames Atlantic (from that thread) and they outsource to China for manufacturing. Bit of a spat between rival companies? I don’t really see the issue with what was posted.


I have a connection yes, but my comments were personal. If I have to add a disclaimer to everything I post I will put something in my signature.

There was nothing directly inflammatory in the statement. However, it seemed they were implying the idea that others outsource their production capacity is a bad thing, which I see no good reason to do so.

Hence my personal statement.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/20 01:34:39


Post by: Midnightdeathblade




I haven't seen those Conquistadores until now, they look great, I just dont think they'll match the Northmen's size. I hope they do though. Either way I have two potential options now, thanks for the tip!


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/20 08:27:43


Post by: Sarouan


 Theophony wrote:
Well, just remember these models are game agnostic,


Actually, they're not game agnostic. Fireforge Games launches his own game Forgotten World with this series of new fantasy plastic kits.

https://fireforge-games.com/start-here-55

So the reason why they're multiple of 6 may be not just a whim.

I know, people like to dismiss their game as not relevant, but fact is : their Forgotten World series miniatures are made for their own game. Even though they still give options for using all kinds of other games with them.


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 lord marcus wrote:

There was nothing directly inflammatory in the statement. However, it seemed they were implying the idea that others outsource their production capacity is a bad thing, which I see no good reason to do so.

Hence my personal statement.


I don't really think it was personnel from their own part either. It's like having a company taking pride they produce everything in their own country and justify their prices by saying "well we use our country's legislations, we're not trying to save costs at any cost by outsourcing in foreign countries where you know there are problems with how they treat/pay their own workers".

It's also a way to distinguish yourself from the others being cheaper.

And TBH...they're not wrong, here. It has a cost to produce everything in a country that you know respect basic rights for workers or current legislation in EU. In comparison to others that don't do that.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/20 11:19:07


Post by: Orlanth


 Galas wrote:
Gothic is a old school RPG that is basically a religious cult in poland.

I assume hes talking about that.


You are correct. The 'cult' of Gothic hit Poland and Germany most of all, but has a large following in Russia and the UK. It did not cross the pond because most minds didn't look further than Elder Scrolls hype and poor distribution. I don't even know if the game was officially localised into Polish. The Russian translation is a mod, and while all three games were localised officially into English and it has some penetration of the UK market it never went further than that.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Huh. Never heard of it.

I’m kind of disappointed he wasn’t talking about some old gothic horror book, perhaps The Strange Case of Doctor Sniprot and Mister Gorguts.


Don't be disappointed, follow this five step plan.

1. Watch these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSc-WRl-0pM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVYrALStucs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4g7WQcEXcc

2. Buy Gothic 1, Gothic 2 and expansion, & Gothic 3 on a platform of your choice. They are older games so they should not cost much. Don't bother with Gothic 4 or the expansion to Gothic 3. Different company made them.

3. Update them here: https://www.worldofgothic.com Don't try and play them vanilla.

4. Go missing for weeks as you get deep into Gothic.

5. Thank us after.




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Yes the orcs are reminiscent of Gothic orcs in many ways, which in turn are a cross between Warcraft and GW orcs but without the goofiness.


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Someone else wrote:
That said, fireforge just posted some potentially inflammatory stuff on thier Facebook page.
You mean this:
"Every day we receive an email from a chinese company, represented by an employee with an english name, who proposes to make the molds for our products at an off-market price. Professional companies, who have experience in creating miniatures and scale models (from wargames to board games) that can provide a job at a price 90% lower than that provided by western companies.
There are UK and US companies in scale models and board game market that have decided to make of chinese low costs their strength.
When choosing the products of our company, please always remember that you are financing a company that adequately compensates its employees and its external collaborators.
We and our suppliers comply with all international standards and regulations.''


Well said Fireforge.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/20 13:52:23


Post by: Shadow Walker


@Orlanth: you did something wrong while quoting me because it now looks like it was I who said - ''That said, fireforge just posted some potentially inflammatory stuff on thier Facebook page.'' - when it was @lord marcus


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/21 16:19:01


Post by: Jangustus


And I've backed. could not resist those goat riders.

I've got a load of their undead, and being HIPS with all the extra bits to customise your models is so good.

I'm also very impressed they did a "choose your sprues" option, in case you don't want all the command sprues with every box (which is great because I don't want any command sprues!)


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/21 16:40:26


Post by: Smokestack


The command sprue picture I shared was wrong. There arent any torsos on the command sprue. Fireforge just advised in the comments. The sprue picture in the kickstarter is accurate... just extra legs no torsos.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/21 21:34:04


Post by: Orlanth


I am tired, had a long day and this is going nowhere soon, I will ask about the recommended entry point tomorrow.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/21 21:34:17


Post by: Kalamadea


So the Orcs are going to be their own separate KS later then? Don't see any mention of them on the dwarf KS


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/21 23:33:54


Post by: Arbitrator


 Theophony wrote:
Well, just remember these models are game agnostic, so they can be used for more than just Kings of War. One box is plenty to make a warband of Dwarves for FrostGrave or other skirmish games. Also if Mantic still allows for 50%+1 for basing your units this has more than enough figures in a box.

Hm, I never thought about using them for Frostgrave. I was originally going to skip this for no other reason than the style wouldn't fit all the much more high fantasy Dwarfs I have, but that Not!Runepriest would make for a good Wizard, nevermind the regulars as Soldiers/Knights...


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/22 00:38:21


Post by: Theophony


Well unfortunately today I decided to pull the trigger and buy a resin printer, wash and cure machine and extra resin. So I’ll be waiting until retail. The sale was too good and I have tons of .stl files that I would like to do before starting a newer new army.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/22 07:16:46


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Kalamadea wrote:
So the Orcs are going to be their own separate KS later then? Don't see any mention of them on the dwarf KS
Yes, separate KS.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/22 08:11:03


Post by: Gimgamgoo


The zombies I received from the KS were fantastic. I woulda jumped on this one instantly... if I could have built hand weapons or two handed weapons as axes. It's all hammers, spears and swords though. Saved me some cash I suppose.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/22 08:54:54


Post by: DaveC


Well this makes a big difference for me as the Rambukk riders is the kit I'm waiting for. Realistically there was no way they could tool 5 kits for €20,000. Hopefully it gets there, I'll leave €1 in for updates for now.



Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/22 09:10:39


Post by: Jangustus


That's kind of a massive thing to miss off from the details... and incredibly unprofessional.

I'm likewise in for the Rambukk riders, so if we're not close to hitting 50k near the end I guess I'm downgrading my pledge...


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/22 10:18:31


Post by: Orlanth


Please edit the OP to include the Kickstarter link. It's buried on Page 6.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/22 10:28:57


Post by: Sarouan


Jangustus wrote:
That's kind of a massive thing to miss off from the details... and incredibly unprofessional.


They're not Kickstarter users like CMON. It was a simple mistake. From their first news :


Thanks to your reports, we realized that a piece of the campaign was missing. Due to continuous changes to the project, unfortunately the following image was skipped, which specifies what we can release thanks to your contribution.

We immediately modified the project and we apologize for the mistake, we also thank all those who in the comments are indicating what does not seem clear


Still a bumper for sure, but yeah, it was a bit low for all those plastic kits.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/22 12:00:32


Post by: Smokestack


 Orlanth wrote:
Please edit the OP to include the Kickstarter link. It's buried on Page 6.


Done. Sorry, I hadn’t thought to do that earlier.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/22 12:47:38


Post by: Orlanth


Thank you Smokestack.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/23 15:48:38


Post by: Shadow Walker


@Smokestack - could you please ask Fireforge on KS comments, if they have plans to expand their Living Dead range, especially with plastic skeletons?


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/23 17:00:25


Post by: Ian Sturrock


Was anyone able to figure out the UK VAT & import duty situation? I'm tempted, but I'm pretty sure that if we get charged those things, the savings on this will be more than wiped out.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/23 17:09:15


Post by: Orlanth


 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Was anyone able to figure out the UK VAT & import duty situation? I'm tempted, but I'm pretty sure that if we get charged those things, the savings on this will be more than wiped out.


The plastics are molded by Renedra in the UK. There is a another facility in the EU making the box. Components flow both ways with assembly both in Italy and UK, so no customs for EU and UK..


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/23 18:01:47


Post by: Ian Sturrock


Thanks Orlanth! That's good to know.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/24 11:26:06


Post by: Smokestack


 Shadow Walker wrote:
@Smokestack - could you please ask Fireforge on KS comments, if they have plans to expand their Living Dead range, especially with plastic skeletons?


They have been asked this on Facebook before. Their answers are always yes, the di plan to expand the northmen and undead ranges, and have some designs being worked on. But they won’t comment on what those are. There used to be a Fireforge person that would come and comment and discuss stuff in one of the groups on Facebook, but fulfillment of the 1st Kickstarter wasnt as smooth for everyone, and he ended up getting chased out of the group, unfortunately.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/24 11:36:51


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Smokestack wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
@Smokestack - could you please ask Fireforge on KS comments, if they have plans to expand their Living Dead range, especially with plastic skeletons?


They have been asked this on Facebook before. Their answers are always yes, the di plan to expand the northmen and undead ranges, and have some designs being worked on. But they won’t comment on what those are. There used to be a Fireforge person that would come and comment and discuss stuff in one of the groups on Facebook, but fulfillment of the 1st Kickstarter wasnt as smooth for everyone, and he ended up getting chased out of the group, unfortunately.
Hopefully they will announce something soon


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/24 11:50:25


Post by: Sarouan


 Shadow Walker wrote:
Hopefully they will announce something soon


To be honest, I don't think there's a point to make announcements that won't be related to their current Kickstarter that is only focused on dwarves, not northmen nor undead. If they could have put the orcs in, they would have done so already...but since they were not ready even though they pushed the Kickstarter initially at a later date, I don't really see them doing it out of the blue for the duration of the Kickstarter campaign.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/24 11:58:21


Post by: Shadow Walker


Sarouan wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
Hopefully they will announce something soon


To be honest, I don't think there's a point to make announcements that won't be related to their current Kickstarter that is only focused on dwarves, not northmen nor undead. If they could have put the orcs in, they would have done so already...but since they were not ready even though they pushed the Kickstarter initially at a later date, I don't really see them doing it out of the blue for the duration of the Kickstarter campaign.
You may be right. Still, I can delude myself


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/24 12:05:56


Post by: Smokestack


Yeah, they stated no northmen or undead in this Kickstarter. Since Orcs seems to be their next forgotten world project, and they have talked about other historical things they are working on, I don’t think there will be any news on northmen or undead for s while.

The dwarves were very tightlippped. We had gotten some news on Orcs and then about a month or 2 before this Kickstarter we started getting the dwarf wip stuff. I think they are gun shy interacting with the customers… or just don’t want to over promise.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/24 12:13:01


Post by: Shadow Walker


Would you guys say that Living Dead Warriors could be a good proxy for skeletons? I ask because I am concerned about the current plastic skellies on market being either fragile or weirdly proportioned, and have a thought about taking LDW as proxies for skellies, untill someone, maybe FF, will produce some new, durable ones.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/24 12:27:47


Post by: Grumpy Gnome


 Shadow Walker wrote:
Would you guys say that Living Dead Warriors could be a good proxy for skeletons? I ask because I am concerned about the current plastic skellies on market being either fragile or weirdly proportioned, and have a thought about taking LDW as proxies for skellies, untill someone, maybe FF, will produce some new, durable ones.


That depends on whether you and your co-gamers want classic Ray Harryhausen skeletons or not. I use the FF Living Dead for Dead Marsh Specters right now in our Middle Earth gaming. They do however have a certain zombie vibe going on with the obvious wounds and pigeon toed stances.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/24 12:38:00


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
Would you guys say that Living Dead Warriors could be a good proxy for skeletons? I ask because I am concerned about the current plastic skellies on market being either fragile or weirdly proportioned, and have a thought about taking LDW as proxies for skellies, untill someone, maybe FF, will produce some new, durable ones.


That depends on whether you and your co-gamers want classic Ray Harryhausen skeletons or not. I use the FF Living Dead for Dead Marsh Specters right now in our Middle Earth gaming. They do however have a certain zombie vibe going on with the obvious wounds and pigeon toed stances.
It would be a temporary solution so I doubt any would mind. And I really want ''normal'' skellies but the current offer on the market makes me think and rethink again and again. So I thought maybe proxying them for a while with LDW would help me decide, or maybe in a meantime some new skelies would arrive?


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Post by: Donomar


 Shadow Walker wrote:
Spoiler:
 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
 Shadow Walker wrote:
Would you guys say that Living Dead Warriors could be a good proxy for skeletons? I ask because I am concerned about the current plastic skellies on market being either fragile or weirdly proportioned, and have a thought about taking LDW as proxies for skellies, untill someone, maybe FF, will produce some new, durable ones.


That depends on whether you and your co-gamers want classic Ray Harryhausen skeletons or not. I use the FF Living Dead for Dead Marsh Specters right now in our Middle Earth gaming. They do however have a certain zombie vibe going on with the obvious wounds and pigeon toed stances.
It would be a temporary solution so I doubt any would mind. And I really want ''normal'' skellies but the current offer on the market makes me think and rethink again and again. So I thought maybe proxying them for a while with LDW would help me decide, or maybe in a meantime some new skelies would arrive?


I went big in on the first KS (Living Dead) but not so bothered on this one as have tonnes of Dwarfs and these don't really match up with my idea of Dwarfs based on the old GW aesthetic. However still watching it and I can only say good things about the Living Dead range which are great quality and value and well worth picking up...they would make a lovely proxy for skeletons...so characterful.

Smokestack mentioned that Fireforge plan on doing their own skeletons and other units for Living Dead...they really need to make this happen!
I think in general Undead models done well have great crossover appeal in different games systems.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/24 12:51:23


Post by: Smokestack


I don’t have any experience with the undead models. They look cool, just not an undead guy… I do like werewolves and vampires though…


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/24 13:06:41


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Smokestack wrote:
I do like werewolves
I am the werewolves fan too


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 Donomar wrote:


I went big in on the first KS (Living Dead) but not so bothered on this one as have tonnes of Dwarfs and these don't really match up with my idea of Dwarfs based on the old GW aesthetic. However still watching it and I can only say good things about the Living Dead range which are great quality and value and well worth picking up...they would make a lovely proxy for skeletons...so characterful.


I wanted to buy LD Peasant kit since looong time (always too late, so quickly they are being sold in my country, so I am inpatiently waiting until post covid stock will be renewed), and now I want to get the LD Warriors and Knights too plus Folk Rabble (useful in many games).


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/24 19:09:20


Post by: Grumpy Gnome


Yeah, I have been trying to get some living dead peasants as well. Even if you do not want undead they make great raggedy, poor peasants, beggars, lepers etc. The Folk Rabble set is brilliant, so useful. I can not complain about the quality of these sets.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/25 10:39:27


Post by: Smokestack


Well… I noticed that everything in the campaign stated the material it is being made from, except the accessory sprues, so I asked…

I had assumed they were hard plastic like the dwarves, but Fireforge responded. The accessory sprues are resin. I am a bit disappointed. The resin shields from ks1 were fine, but the heroes were my least favorite part as the resin did not come out well…


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/25 10:47:11


Post by: Sarouan


 Shadow Walker wrote:
Would you guys say that Living Dead Warriors could be a good proxy for skeletons? I ask because I am concerned about the current plastic skellies on market being either fragile or weirdly proportioned, and have a thought about taking LDW as proxies for skellies, untill someone, maybe FF, will produce some new, durable ones.


Yeah, they're quite durable for sure. And they're clearly soldiers, not mere peasant dirt gak.

Front rank of my unit of zombies are them :



Can do the job. Also possible to replace their heads with skulls you can find almost everywhere. You can make them look like "skeletons" more easily that way.



Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/25 10:48:02


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Smokestack wrote:
Well… I noticed that everything in the campaign stated the material it is being made from, except the accessory sprues, so I asked…

I had assumed they were hard plastic like the dwarves, but Fireforge responded. The accessory sprues are resin. I am a bit disappointed. The resin shields from ks1 were fine, but the heroes were my least favorite part as the resin did not come out well…


Well that's quite dissapointing. I planned to get quite a few of the things...


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/25 11:43:08


Post by: Grumpy Gnome


Good idea on replacing the heads with plain skulls, whether you use Living Dead peasants or warriors.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/25 12:20:19


Post by: DaveC


If using Living Dead Warriors as Grave Guard buy a pack of Fireforges Bardics 24 in a pack for €6 to replace the spear tips and make great blades that are more in the style of the Kosargi Nightguard. Some of the LDW carry the spears 2 handed.

https://fireforge-games.com/weapons/302-assorted-bardics-24pcs.html


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/30 18:18:07


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Shadow Walker wrote:

I wanted to buy LD Peasant kit since looong time (always too late, so quickly they are being sold in my country, so I am inpatiently waiting until post covid stock will be renewed), and now I want to get the LD Warriors and Knights too plus Folk Rabble (useful in many games).
Small update - managed to finally buy the Living Dead Peasants box - I am so happy


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/05/31 19:48:49


Post by: Smokestack


The Kickstarter funded… which unlocks the basic infantry guys and the crossbowmen…

Next goal is the arquebusiers then the goat riders.

I’m a bit checked out on it right now. Hopefully I get back into it before the end. I’m only backing for £1 or €1 whatever currency it’s in.., no stretch goals and the stuff I really want being at the end of the list… I may use the money here for the new AoS set instead…


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/10/05 17:49:35


Post by: Smokestack


The Pledge manager opened today. And they are allowing late backers.

Despite what was said earlier, they are allowing backers to upgrade their pledges and the arquebusiers and ram riders are available to everyone.

I think I am just gonna let them keep my 1 euro donation... I went to upgrade and dont really have the $300 for this right now to upgrade, Plus I dont really have the room right now for a new army.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/10/05 18:24:19


Post by: Theophony


I like their stuff, but Wargames Atlantic and Osprey have really hit some kits out of the park lately including dwarves. The ram riders are great looking pieces, but the other manufacturers are just so much easier to get ahold of around me.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/10/05 19:14:42


Post by: Smokestack


 Theophony wrote:
I like their stuff, but Wargames Atlantic and Osprey have really hit some kits out of the park lately including dwarves. The ram riders are great looking pieces, but the other manufacturers are just so much easier to get ahold of around me.


Sadly that is my thinking too. The Conquistadors and the Conq cavalry goes with what i am currently interested in more than the dwarves do.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2021/10/06 12:11:49


Post by: Gir Spirit Bane


 DaveC wrote:
If using Living Dead Warriors as Grave Guard buy a pack of Fireforges Bardics 24 in a pack for €6 to replace the spear tips and make great blades that are more in the style of the Kosargi Nightguard. Some of the LDW carry the spears 2 handed.

https://fireforge-games.com/weapons/302-assorted-bardics-24pcs.html


With the other fireforge models, and their historical (The men at arm sergents) how do you use those halberds on them? snip off the spears at the hands and glue them in place?


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/01/20 15:22:05


Post by: Shadow Walker


The test shots for Dwarf Infantry (the bodies for warriors and hammerers) and for Dwarf Shooters (the bodies for Arquebusiers and Crossbowmen).

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/01/20 15:33:50


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Lookin' good


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/01/22 16:25:46


Post by: Grumpy Gnome


I do not like the shields but otherwise cool. Other shields can easily be used I suppose.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/01/22 16:58:57


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Those shields look like devices Dr Kellogg would have fastened onto his patients.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/01/22 17:43:20


Post by: lord_blackfang


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Those shields look like devices Dr Kellogg would have fastened onto his patients.


Is there some dark side to corn flakes I'm not aware of?


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/01/22 17:56:47


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 lord_blackfang wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Those shields look like devices Dr Kellogg would have fastened onto his patients.


Is there some dark side to corn flakes I'm not aware of?


Oh yes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/01/22 18:16:03


Post by: lord_blackfang


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Those shields look like devices Dr Kellogg would have fastened onto his patients.


Is there some dark side to corn flakes I'm not aware of?


Oh yes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg


Well that was certainly a mixed bag.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/04/10 09:40:10


Post by: Shadow Walker


Pre-orders for dwarves are up https://fireforge-games.com/stone-realm-54


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/04/10 10:35:07


Post by: stonehorse




Nice to see some more Dwarf plastics on the market. 12 infantry or 6 cavalry for €20, seems a bit steep compared to what Oathmark kits go for, 30 infantry or 15 cavalry for €30.

If these were 20 infantry or 12 cavalry for €20 it would seem like a better deal.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/04/10 23:59:13


Post by: Smokestack


 stonehorse wrote:


Nice to see some more Dwarf plastics on the market. 12 infantry or 6 cavalry for €20, seems a bit steep compared to what Oathmark kits go for, 30 infantry or 15 cavalry for €30.

If these were 20 infantry or 12 cavalry for €20 it would seem like a better deal.


I agree. Its the same prices as theier northmen range... I love the northmen, but the prices mean that I havent picked up any more since the kickstarter. I would like another box of cav at some point...

The Dwarven Rambukk riders and muskets are on my list too...


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/05/04 12:57:19


Post by: Shadow Walker


Some assembled dwarves

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/05/04 13:13:49


Post by: MDSW


Those really do make a very nice unit.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/05/07 10:23:44


Post by: Shadow Walker


According to the latest update they have the first shipment of frames, and will soon start delivering things to backers.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/05/07 11:26:32


Post by: lord_blackfang


Not bad, not great.


Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/05/23 09:00:45


Post by: Shadow Walker


More pics

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/05/25 12:57:10


Post by: Shadow Walker


Arquebusiers

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Fireforge dwarf Kickstarter - Pledge manager now open! @ 2022/05/29 09:22:24


Post by: Shadow Walker


From their FB:
''We are shipping the dwarfs''.