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Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 14:12:01


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Some new toys are coming soon.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/06/paint-like-a-pro-with-the-new-stc-range-of-synthetic-brushes/

The Citadel brush range has been a stalwart companion of hobbyists for many years, giving painters the world over specially designed tools to get their models looking as good as they can be. Now, the range is expanding.



The first thing you’ve no doubt noticed is the distinct, all-white colour scheme to set them apart from our regular brush range – you’ll never mistake which one you’re reaching for in your Citadel Paint Box. These brushes are more than just a sleek colour scheme, though.



By using carefully designed, totally synthetic bristles, the Citadel Colour STC Range offers a different painting experience to the regular range of Citadel brushes. The synthetic fibres have a noticeable springiness with balanced stiffness and distinct snapback, making them excellent candidates for drybrushing and highlighting raised edges.

The brushes with rounded tips have been designed to keep their profile for longer even when used frequently, and the straight-edged brushes are specially made to help prevent curling at the end of the bristles, keeping your painting accurate and sharp.

The Citadel Colour STC Range is coming soon, so keep an eye out for more information on when you’ll see their distinctive white colour scheme on shelves near you. In the meantime, up your painting game with the Citadel Artificer Layer brushes, made to produce results you never knew you were capable of.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 14:18:21


Post by: Arbitrator


Maybe if a bunch of non-influencer painters come out and say they're actually good I might try one out, but something tells me they'll be a lot worse than things like Artist Opus brushes but will be about the same price.

Can look forward to my YouTube feed being full of "ARE GW'S STC THE BEST BRUSHES EVER?!" clickbait thumbnails for about a month.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 14:22:33


Post by: Inquisitor Gideon


That's cool. I love trying out new brush ranges, so I'll pick up a couple for an experiment. Although nothing will ever replace the worn out old brush pulling second duty as a dry brush.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 14:23:40


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Surprised they didn't save them for the big reveal on Saturday.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 14:25:19


Post by: Arbitrator


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Surprised they didn't save them for the big reveal on Saturday.

I have this mental image of these having been Saturday's big reveal with Adam and Eddie 'gushing' over how amazing these brushes are for forty minutes and calling it the best Warhammer Fest ever.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 14:39:34


Post by: Nurglitch


What are they supposed to do, shrug and talk about how in their day sable was good enough for John Blanche?


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 14:40:58


Post by: eflix29


Glad they didn't, it would have taken 3 hours of streaming to preview them individually and explain in detail how awesome they are, and how exited they are to use them


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 14:44:00


Post by: Billicus


"First up it's the fine detail brush... this is going to be really excellent for painting your Primaris Space Marines blah blah blah Citadel paints blah blah blah... ah next up we've got the Medium Drybrush, now what I'm most excited about with this one is it's a bit bigger and that makes it really great for drybrushing these Astra Militarum tanks I'm working on..." etc for 30 minutes


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 14:47:55


Post by: Polonius


I'm imagining this will fall into the usual situation for GW's hobby products: high quality mass market items at luxury good prices.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 14:48:43


Post by: Mammoth miniatures


They can't be worse than the current GW brushes.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 14:50:03


Post by: Arbitrator


Billicus wrote:
"First up it's the fine detail brush... this is going to be really excellent for painting your Primaris Space Marines blah blah blah Citadel paints blah blah blah... ah next up we've got the Medium Drybrush, now what I'm most excited about with this one is it's a bit bigger and that makes it really great for drybrushing these Astra Militarum tanks I'm working on..." etc for 30 minutes

"Eddie, what are you most excited about?"
"It's definitely the new Glaze brush(tm). I have some Grave Guard(tm) I picked up ready for the new Soulblight Gravelords(tm) and Skeleton Horde(tm) Contrast Paint(tm) should go on them nicely."
"One of the best parts about this hobby is seeing what the amazing design team come up with. Who'd have expected a dedicated glazing brush?"
"I know Adam, this are.. definitely going to be a must-have for any hobbyist's toolbox. I can't wait to see what people do with these new brushes."


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 14:54:20


Post by: Azreal13


 Mammoth miniatures wrote:
They can't be worse than the current GW brushes.


They're synthetic, they absolutely can and almost certainly will.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 14:56:34


Post by: the_scotsman


 Arbitrator wrote:
Maybe if a bunch of non-influencer painters come out and say they're actually good I might try one out, but something tells me they'll be a lot worse than things like Artist Opus brushes but will be about the same price.

Can look forward to my YouTube feed being full of "ARE GW'S STC THE BEST BRUSHES EVER?!" clickbait thumbnails for about a month.


And Artis Opus is the same, but many times more expensive than, generic non-wargaming branded brushes you can get from various third parties.

You can just buy a round stippling brush on the cheap. for like, 1-3$. You're gonna beat the absolute hell out of it anyway, and the technique really super doesnt care if the tips hook or whatever.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 14:57:02


Post by: Voss


 Polonius wrote:
I'm imagining this will fall into the usual situation for GW's hobby products: high quality mass market items at luxury good prices.


Are any of GW's 'hobby' products not just another company's average product rebranded and sold at a markup?


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 15:00:50


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Arbitrator wrote:
Billicus wrote:
"First up it's the fine detail brush... this is going to be really excellent for painting your Primaris Space Marines blah blah blah Citadel paints blah blah blah... ah next up we've got the Medium Drybrush, now what I'm most excited about with this one is it's a bit bigger and that makes it really great for drybrushing these Astra Militarum tanks I'm working on..." etc for 30 minutes

"Eddie, what are you most excited about?"
"It's definitely the new Glaze brush(tm). I have some Grave Guard(tm) I picked up ready for the new Soulblight Gravelords(tm) and Skeleton Horde(tm) Contrast Paint(tm) should go on them nicely."
"One of the best parts about this hobby is seeing what the amazing design team come up with. Who'd have expected a dedicated glazing brush?"
"I know Adam, this are.. definitely going to be a must-have for any hobbyist's toolbox. I can't wait to see what people do with these new brushes."


Almost perfect, just not enough "uhhhhs" and stuttering


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 15:01:32


Post by: Marshal Loss


Look forward to seeing the price tag on these


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 15:07:43


Post by: Polonius


Voss wrote:
 Polonius wrote:
I'm imagining this will fall into the usual situation for GW's hobby products: high quality mass market items at luxury good prices.


Are any of GW's 'hobby' products not just another company's average product rebranded and sold at a markup?


Very few, but they make a few things that nobody else does in the paint range. The texture paints for basing are unique as far as I know. Contrast paints were unique at launch, although we could probably litigate how different contrast is from a glaze. The dry paints aren't available in any range I know of.

GW's hobby paints have clear advantages: availability, color matching, size of range, and all the cool effects stuff. It comes at a high price, but there is some stuff you generally can't find anywhere else.

Their hobby tools are always marked up rebadged goods.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 15:12:17


Post by: CMLR


Synthetic brushes? brb, gotta check those "A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA" and "A VERY DUMB IDEA" from my bingo card.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 15:13:55


Post by: Arbitrator


 Polonius wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Polonius wrote:
I'm imagining this will fall into the usual situation for GW's hobby products: high quality mass market items at luxury good prices.


Are any of GW's 'hobby' products not just another company's average product rebranded and sold at a markup?


Very few, but they make a few things that nobody else does in the paint range. The texture paints for basing are unique as far as I know. Contrast paints were unique at launch, although we could probably litigate how different contrast is from a glaze. The dry paints aren't available in any range I know of.

GW's hobby paints have clear advantages: availability, color matching, size of range, and all the cool effects stuff. It comes at a high price, but there is some stuff you generally can't find anywhere else.

Their hobby tools are always marked up rebadged goods.

Vallejo's had base texture paste for years, in 200ml tubs for about £10, as opposed to GW's 24ml for £5.

The only advantage to GW paints is maybe convenience if you live near a hobby/GW store and don't need to buy enough to justify shipping costs and that's about it. People just stick with Citadel because the vast majority of people have literally never used anything else and have this weird idea that applying a different company's paint will make their plastic spontaneously combust before their eyes. "What's the Citadel equivalent?" is a common question on tutorials which use non-Citadel stuff and the answer to why they want it is usually "I've always used Citadel." There are admittedly a few colours you can't get a out-of-the-pot equivalent to but those are few and far between, usually being replicated eventually.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 15:29:55


Post by: jojo_monkey_boy


 Arbitrator wrote:
Vallejo's had base texture paste for years, in 200ml tubs for about £10, as opposed to GW's 24ml for £5.


I remember when it was just their GW brand white glue that was the token "joke" product.

It's sort of depressing looking back over 20+ years of exposure to the warhammer hobby to see how corporate GW has become. The drift from a past where they would refer to non-GW brand products to help you build your own scratch built terrain or tanks out of deoderant containers, to every single article just being a gigantic advertisement for their myriad of products that you can find elsewhere for cheaper.

I'm finding it incredibly fascinating seeing how the new warfront for the Hobby™ is against 3D printing and how incredibly naughty it allegedly is to make anything yourself.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 15:34:20


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I love this thread.

Thanks for taking the ball and running with it, guys!



Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 15:56:14


Post by: Mr. Grey


 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Vallejo's had base texture paste for years, in 200ml tubs for about £10, as opposed to GW's 24ml for £5.


I remember when it was just their GW brand white glue that was the token "joke" product.

It's sort of depressing looking back over 20+ years of exposure to the warhammer hobby to see how corporate GW has become. The drift from a past where they would refer to non-GW brand products to help you build your own scratch built terrain or tanks out of deoderant containers, to every single article just being a gigantic advertisement for their myriad of products that you can find elsewhere for cheaper.

I'm finding it incredibly fascinating seeing how the new warfront for the Hobby™ is against 3D printing and how incredibly naughty it allegedly is to make anything yourself.


As one of the biggest companies in miniature wargaming with shareholders to please, GW has a vested interest in keeping hobbyists entirely within their environment. That's why on official channels you'll only see Citadel paints, GW hobby tools, GW basing materials, GW brushes, etc etc. Most other companies operate the same way - Privateer Press pushes their P3 paints and their P3(TM) brushes and their P3(TM) superglue pretty hard in the modeling videos they've done, too. You're also not likely to see non-Vallejo or non-Army Painter product used in any promo materials for those companies.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 16:00:29


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Mr. Grey wrote:
 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Vallejo's had base texture paste for years, in 200ml tubs for about £10, as opposed to GW's 24ml for £5.


I remember when it was just their GW brand white glue that was the token "joke" product.

It's sort of depressing looking back over 20+ years of exposure to the warhammer hobby to see how corporate GW has become. The drift from a past where they would refer to non-GW brand products to help you build your own scratch built terrain or tanks out of deoderant containers, to every single article just being a gigantic advertisement for their myriad of products that you can find elsewhere for cheaper.

I'm finding it incredibly fascinating seeing how the new warfront for the Hobby™ is against 3D printing and how incredibly naughty it allegedly is to make anything yourself.


As one of the biggest companies in miniature wargaming with shareholders to please, GW has a vested interest in keeping hobbyists entirely within their environment. That's why on official channels you'll only see Citadel paints, GW hobby tools, GW basing materials, GW brushes, etc etc. Most other companies operate the same way - Privateer Press pushes their P3 paints and their P3(TM) brushes and their P3(TM) superglue pretty hard in the modeling videos they've done, too. You're also not likely to see non-Vallejo or non-Army Painter product used in any promo materials for those companies.


For GW, it also enhances recruitment. You can know nothing about the hobby, wander into a GW store and leave with everything you need.

Are their cheaper, comparable products? Sure there are. But there are also similar products not as suited to the task at hand. Convenience and product confidence for a slight premium in price.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 16:14:59


Post by: Lord Damocles


So a new almost certainly poorer quality range of brushes which will no doubt provide a convenient excuse to increase prices on GW's range(s).

Colour me impressed!


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 16:19:06


Post by: Quasistellar


GW's current brushes aren't "bad", they're just a bit overpriced. I currently just have 3 -- the drybrushes. I think they're an ox hair blend? They're pretty tough and have held up well (I have multiple types of drybrush that I use including soft makeup brushes etc)

Their layer brushes are actually sable (not kolinsky) for like $8, which isn't much more than something from Rosemary and Co. Even some of those fancy brushes from Rafael and such need a hair trimmed now and again, so nothing is perfect. A Winsor and Newton #1 is similar quality to an Artificer GW brush for a similar price in my experience. If I needed a brush right now and was forced to get a GW one I wouldn't mind it.

Not gonna lie, I wouldn't mind a synthetic brush that didn't get tip hook so quickly, but I don't think these will do any better than anything else. My use case is painting fine metallic details with some of the better metallics like vallejo metal color--that stuff will absolutely destroy a good sable brush. It just wicks right into the ferrule. I've been using synthetic ever since for those paints, but all the ones I try get tip hook within days.

I'll probably buy one and see, but my expectations are low.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 16:20:22


Post by: KillerAngel


Synthetic brushes do have a place, though as mentioned they can be had for significantly cheaper. I've been using Princeton 3750 a lot recently, and looks like it should be easy to match size and shape to the GW ones if you really want.
https://merriartist.com/collections/princeton-3750-select-mixed-media-brushes

Kolinsky sable brushes are still the go-to though.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 16:20:28


Post by: Samsonov


For standard brushes I buy Pro-Arte minature brushes from the local art shop. However, I am yet to find a dry brush as good as GW, except that the most recent GW dry brushes are too wide for some purposes. It looks like one of those dry brushes is narrower, so will probably give that a go.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 16:21:57


Post by: hotsauceman1


Can't wait for them to fish hook and stain(seriously, white guys?)


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 16:52:31


Post by: Blastaar


It's nice to see more paintbrushes whose manufacture does not include killing animals. Good on GW.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 16:56:27


Post by: hotsauceman1


Most Sable are ethically and sustainbily farmed. We use butt/tail hair that is shaved and reharvested for alot of Miniature paint lines
Besides, plastics are worse for the environment.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 16:56:32


Post by: Red Corsair


Who the hell thought it was a bright idea to photograph all white brushes in front of an all white back drop lol.

Despite having a product named contrast, they somehow fail to understand the concept entirely lol.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 16:59:02


Post by: Ghaz


 Red Corsair wrote:
Who the hell thought it was a bright idea to photograph all white brushes in front of an all white back drop lol.



Depending on the price I'll pick up one or two to give them a try and see how they compare to other synthetics I've used in the past.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 17:00:38


Post by: Oguhmek


Not a big fan of synthetic brushes for miniatures, (inevitably the tips will bend with wear) but they're great for painting terrain. But for that, cheap generic ones from the hobby store also work great...


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 17:02:11


Post by: Polonius


 Arbitrator wrote:
Vallejo's had base texture paste for years, in 200ml tubs for about £10, as opposed to GW's 24ml for £5.


It's the absolute secret sauce, too. I've been using it on basically everything now. It's a little different, in that it needs to be painted and highlighted, and is a pain to apply, so I'd argue it's not an exact equivalent, since you can argue a handful of sand from the garden, PVA, and paint is basically the same thing.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 17:04:09


Post by: Arbitrator


 Polonius wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Vallejo's had base texture paste for years, in 200ml tubs for about £10, as opposed to GW's 24ml for £5.


It's a little different, in that it needs to be painted and highlighted

Is that any different to GW's Texture Paint though? Even if they're using something like mud or sand, even their own tutorials wash/drybrush over it.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 17:07:26


Post by: KidCthulhu


I'm not a GW White Knight, but I find their regular brushes are one of the few things I will splurge on.

I've tried other sable brushes, whether from art stores or Reaper and they always fish hook on me. So it makes painting a chore rather than the enjoyable hobby I'm supposed to be indulging in.

YWMV...


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 17:16:24


Post by: Polonius


 Arbitrator wrote:
 Polonius wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Vallejo's had base texture paste for years, in 200ml tubs for about £10, as opposed to GW's 24ml for £5.


It's a little different, in that it needs to be painted and highlighted

Is that any different to GW's Texture Paint though? Even if they're using something like mud or sand, even their own tutorials wash/drybrush over it.


In practice, yeah. You either need to apply it prior to priming (which isn't hard) or you end up having to throw a lot of paint on it, because it's thirty.

You can glue a few rocks to a base, prime it, paint it,,and then add some texture paint, a wash, and dry brush, and done. If you like the colors they provide, it's a bit of a unique product. It's a more specialized product, but also more complete, if that makes sense. It's like uncrustable vs. making a PBJ.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 17:27:38


Post by: tauist


I'm intrigued by the makeup brush shaped ones, but not really sure if I need more synthetic brushes. Unless these somehow are a significant step up from cheapo synthetics.

I just upgraded my miniature brushes to the "industry standard" W&N series 7 brushes, but realized very soon that you cannot really use sable brushes on most of the actual painting work phases or they'll get ruined (no oils, enamels, washes, metallics).. Especially since I prime and basecoat with an airbrush. So finding synthetic brishes which would actually be high quality is an appealing prospect.



Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 17:42:00


Post by: Cronch


 Polonius wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Vallejo's had base texture paste for years, in 200ml tubs for about £10, as opposed to GW's 24ml for £5.


It's the absolute secret sauce, too. I've been using it on basically everything now. It's a little different, in that it needs to be painted and highlighted, and is a pain to apply, so I'd argue it's not an exact equivalent, since you can argue a handful of sand from the garden, PVA, and paint is basically the same thing.

The paste gives better results than just sand imo, and since it comes in neutral off-white it can be painted any way you want. It also applies much easier than the GW equivalent.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 17:46:46


Post by: catbarf


 KidCthulhu wrote:
I've tried other sable brushes, whether from art stores or Reaper and they always fish hook on me.


I've only ever seen synthetics do that, are you sure you're buying sable? Give Raphael 8404 or Da Vinci Maestro Series 10 a try.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 18:38:24


Post by: Polonius


Sables still split sometimes, but I'm not I've seen a real sable fishhook on me.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 19:19:28


Post by: Voss


 Polonius wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Polonius wrote:
I'm imagining this will fall into the usual situation for GW's hobby products: high quality mass market items at luxury good prices.


Are any of GW's 'hobby' products not just another company's average product rebranded and sold at a markup?


Very few, but they make a few things that nobody else does in the paint range. The texture paints for basing are unique as far as I know. Contrast paints were unique at launch, although we could probably litigate how different contrast is from a glaze. The dry paints aren't available in any range I know of.

I wasn't really talking about paints, but 'GW' paints have generally been someone else's for most of their history (coat d'arms made by HMG Paints, then passed on to whomever).

But textured paints are a thing that general paints stores and places like Home Depot and Lowes have been doing for decades.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 19:25:42


Post by: Red Corsair


Texture paint is maybe the easiest thing in the hobby to make yourself and cheaply.

I have bought the Vajello tubs out of convenience during the winter, but I'd never in a million years waste money on GW texture paint. It's insanely priced for what amounts to intentionally low quality paint lol.

Seriously, craft paint and your choice of soil/grit etc. for texture.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 19:45:49


Post by: Turnip Jedi


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Vallejo's had base texture paste for years, in 200ml tubs for about £10, as opposed to GW's 24ml for £5.


I remember when it was just their GW brand white glue that was the token "joke" product.

It's sort of depressing looking back over 20+ years of exposure to the warhammer hobby to see how corporate GW has become. The drift from a past where they would refer to non-GW brand products to help you build your own scratch built terrain or tanks out of deoderant containers, to every single article just being a gigantic advertisement for their myriad of products that you can find elsewhere for cheaper.

I'm finding it incredibly fascinating seeing how the new warfront for the Hobby™ is against 3D printing and how incredibly naughty it allegedly is to make anything yourself.


As one of the biggest companies in miniature wargaming with shareholders to please, GW has a vested interest in keeping hobbyists entirely within their environment. That's why on official channels you'll only see Citadel paints, GW hobby tools, GW basing materials, GW brushes, etc etc. Most other companies operate the same way - Privateer Press pushes their P3 paints and their P3(TM) brushes and their P3(TM) superglue pretty hard in the modeling videos they've done, too. You're also not likely to see non-Vallejo or non-Army Painter product used in any promo materials for those companies.


For GW, it also enhances recruitment. You can know nothing about the hobby, wander into a GW store and leave with everything you need.

Are their cheaper, comparable products? Sure there are. But there are also similar products not as suited to the task at hand. Convenience and product confidence for a slight premium in price.



I'm still a bit baffled that with the scrying mirror of all things available to pretty much every gamer ever that the apparent lack of even wanting to look outside the bubble is even a thing, especially as I've always taken them to be smarter than the average bear, and barring the odd snark I've long given up trying to deprogram the faithful


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 20:04:23


Post by: angel of death 007


I can't see how these brushes are any different than any other synthetic brushes except for costing 30x or more the cost.

Synthetic brushes for a set of like 15 or so at hobby lobby is $10. I bet these are around $15 each.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 20:05:04


Post by: totalfailure


 Turnip Jedi wrote:



I'm still a bit baffled that with the scrying mirror of all things available to pretty much every gamer ever that the apparent lack of even wanting to look outside the bubble is even a thing, especially as I've always taken them to be smarter than the average bear, and barring the odd snark I've long given up trying to deprogram the faithful


Choosing to use GW products doesn’t necessarily make one a mind-numbed robot automatically, either, though. As in many other areas of life, sometimes convenience wins out over quality or price. I can walk into many game shops around here and have a pot of Citadel paint in my hand now. There aren’t any other paint lines I can say that about. The closest hobby shop with Vallejo is a two hour drive. Online one would have to likely wait 2+ days. So, sometimes I choose now over later.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 20:05:14


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Can we call it "Citadel FineBrush"?


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 20:43:29


Post by: Galas


 totalfailure wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:



I'm still a bit baffled that with the scrying mirror of all things available to pretty much every gamer ever that the apparent lack of even wanting to look outside the bubble is even a thing, especially as I've always taken them to be smarter than the average bear, and barring the odd snark I've long given up trying to deprogram the faithful


Choosing to use GW products doesn’t necessarily make one a mind-numbed robot automatically, either, though. As in many other areas of life, sometimes convenience wins out over quality or price. I can walk into many game shops around here and have a pot of Citadel paint in my hand now. There aren’t any other paint lines I can say that about. The closest hobby shop with Vallejo is a two hour drive. Online one would have to likely wait 2+ days. So, sometimes I choose now over later.


Not only that but when you enter a store and don't want to buy anything but you are too socially anxious to just leave empty handed buying a pot of paint is a life saver.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 20:51:27


Post by: Azreal13


 totalfailure wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:



I'm still a bit baffled that with the scrying mirror of all things available to pretty much every gamer ever that the apparent lack of even wanting to look outside the bubble is even a thing, especially as I've always taken them to be smarter than the average bear, and barring the odd snark I've long given up trying to deprogram the faithful


Choosing to use GW products doesn’t necessarily make one a mind-numbed robot automatically, either, though. As in many other areas of life, sometimes convenience wins out over quality or price. I can walk into many game shops around here and have a pot of Citadel paint in my hand now. There aren’t any other paint lines I can say that about. The closest hobby shop with Vallejo is a two hour drive. Online one would have to likely wait 2+ days. So, sometimes I choose now over later.


But that means you're not the person he's referring to. The people he's referring to are easy to spot, they'll be posting in GW product release threads making comments along the lines of "it sucks, I'm only buying two."


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 22:08:30


Post by: Sentineil


I'll probably give them a shot. I use oils and enamels a lot which destroy sable hair. Synthetics will help preserve my better brushes.

As for price, that doesn't bother me as much as availability. I don't know about elsewhere, but in Ireland it's a pain to track down WN 7's or 8404's.

With GW, at least I can reliably source decent brushes, even if they come at a premium.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 22:38:31


Post by: scarletsquig


Very happy about this, although being vegan I'd already gotten used to sourcing good quality synthetics. Da Vinci Nova is my go-to.

There is a bit of UK legal background to consider with these - At current, the UK government is planning to outlaw the fur trade and the bill has already passed its first parliamentary reading. It's something coming straight from the top of government and has the support of the opposition, so it's happening soon.

So, this range is something GW really had to develop, and do it properly in advance of the law change or risk being left without a product to sell.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 22:58:52


Post by: Irbis


It makes me feel way less bad about grabbing cheap artist brand synthetic brushes for 90% of my mini painting now

 Polonius wrote:
The texture paints for basing are unique as far as I know.

Grab a tube of white acrylic coarse/fine primer paste, second tube of craft paint (because you're painting bases, not mini with it), almost identical result to GW basing paint (very hard to see difference once you shade and drybrush it) for similar price but you're getting 15x the volume and way higher color range instead of just like 6 predefined ones.

GW's hobby paints have clear advantages: availability, color matching, size of range, and all the cool effects stuff. It comes at a high price, but there is some stuff you generally can't find anywhere else.

Have you seen the size, versatility, and price of Vallejo range?


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 23:05:02


Post by: Platuan4th


 Irbis wrote:

Have you seen the size, versatility, and price of Vallejo range?


Yes. Have you seen the lack of wide availability of said ranges?


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 23:12:31


Post by: hotsauceman1


 Galas wrote:
 totalfailure wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:



I'm still a bit baffled that with the scrying mirror of all things available to pretty much every gamer ever that the apparent lack of even wanting to look outside the bubble is even a thing, especially as I've always taken them to be smarter than the average bear, and barring the odd snark I've long given up trying to deprogram the faithful


Choosing to use GW products doesn’t necessarily make one a mind-numbed robot automatically, either, though. As in many other areas of life, sometimes convenience wins out over quality or price. I can walk into many game shops around here and have a pot of Citadel paint in my hand now. There aren’t any other paint lines I can say that about. The closest hobby shop with Vallejo is a two hour drive. Online one would have to likely wait 2+ days. So, sometimes I choose now over later.


Not only that but when you enter a store and don't want to buy anything but you are too socially anxious to just leave empty handed buying a pot of paint is a life saver.

Also, GW paints are great. I used to be like "well GW paints are bad" and then I realized I actually like them.
No paint line is bad. All are equal.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 23:44:45


Post by: KillerAngel


 Platuan4th wrote:
 Irbis wrote:

Have you seen the size, versatility, and price of Vallejo range?


Yes. Have you seen the lack of wide availability of said ranges?

Maybe in Fargo, ND but Vallejo is fairly prevalent both online and in most gaming stores I've been to.
Miniature Market carries good stock levels, and at $2.90 a bottle.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/06 23:59:37


Post by: Platuan4th


KillerAngel wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Irbis wrote:

Have you seen the size, versatility, and price of Vallejo range?


Yes. Have you seen the lack of wide availability of said ranges?

Maybe in Fargo, ND but Vallejo is fairly prevalent both online and in most gaming stores I've been to.
Miniature Market carries good stock levels, and at $2.90 a bottle.


Heh, need to change that, haven't lived in Fargo for over 2 years. Hard to keep track of when you move ~every 2 years. Over the past 20 years, I've lived in 10 different US locations and visited hundreds of gaming stores. Of those, literally only two didn't carry GW paints, but only about half carried Vallejo of any range variety. Of those, maybe a quarter carried the entire variety of ranges. Yes, you can get them online, but as stated up thread, convenience is BIG(especially if you run out during a session and need a color that day) and GW paints are more often than not easier to get conveniently than Vallejo.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 00:06:12


Post by: Azreal13


I have never once run out of a specific paint I needed halfway through a a project. If that really is a factor that's making your decision between brands then get an app or something.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 02:14:01


Post by: Polonius


I see we’ve entered the “even suggesting something GW does has some value” is heresy part of the proceedings.

You can get the exact type of brush they sell for cheaper. Probably almost to a hair count.

You just can’t say that about the paints. I’m sorry, but sourced or not they’re a legit option fir a wide range oh hobbyist. I only use the goofier parts of their range, like the dry paints and some old foundations and washes. Personally, I find the price and pot design off putting, but that’s just me.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 02:46:54


Post by: Sabotage!


I don’t think the modern GW brushes are bad (though the ones from a couple generations back I thought were terrible), but for a couple bucks more I can get a Reaper Kolinsky and they are far superior.

Unless these brushes are really cheap and make for good dry brushing I can’t really see a reason to have them around?


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 07:46:30


Post by: Horla


KillerAngel wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Irbis wrote:

Have you seen the size, versatility, and price of Vallejo range?


Yes. Have you seen the lack of wide availability of said ranges?

Maybe in Fargo, ND but Vallejo is fairly prevalent both online and in most gaming stores I've been to.
Miniature Market carries good stock levels, and at $2.90 a bottle.

I have never seen a pot of Vallejo for sale in real life at a shop and the shipping makes them work out around the same as buying a GW paint. I’ve bought some online but I don’t know about others here but when I’m buying new colours I like to see what it looks like in the pot at least. The Vallejo website is ok but certainly things like GW and The Army Painter are very different to reality.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 08:37:36


Post by: Cronch


Vallejo is everywhere I'd look, while GW is only at dedicated gaming stores. I usually buy my paints at the local hobby store so vallejo is more convenient.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 09:41:02


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


It’ll be interesting to see the price of these. They should be cheaper than the current range. High quality synthetic brushes can be hard to find because there’s a strong streak of, go sable or go home snobbery surrounding them, so the synthetic brushes you usually so in shops are low quality budget ranges. Interestingly, many artists prefer high quality synthetic brushes over natural bristles when working with acrylics. Acrylic paint is notorious in art circles for killing natural hair brushes fast.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 09:51:11


Post by: plessiez


Synthetic brushes can't hold a point and you have to replace them much quicker than a good sable brush.

I'm guessing this is a simple case that GW are going to sell something that costs half as much to make but they will sell for three quarters the price of a sable brush.



Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 10:03:46


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


plessiez wrote:
Synthetic brushes can't hold a point and you have to replace them much quicker than a good sable brush.

I'm guessing this is a simple case that GW are going to sell something that costs half as much to make but they will sell for three quarters the price of a sable brush.



That’s because most of the synthetic brushes you see for sale are low quality budget ranges. That shouldn’t be an issue with high quality synthetic brushes. Winsor and Newton, for example, make excellent synthetic brushes.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 13:09:00


Post by: Quasistellar


 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
plessiez wrote:
Synthetic brushes can't hold a point and you have to replace them much quicker than a good sable brush.

I'm guessing this is a simple case that GW are going to sell something that costs half as much to make but they will sell for three quarters the price of a sable brush.



That’s because most of the synthetic brushes you see for sale are low quality budget ranges. That shouldn’t be an issue with high quality synthetic brushes. Winsor and Newton, for example, make excellent synthetic brushes.


This is true, but also they aren't "cheap" either. A quick check of a "quality" synthetic: Winsor & Newton Cotman #0. Available at a local Michaels for $5.99 USD. Compare that to a sable (not Kolinsky) Games Workshop S. Layer at $7.50. Rosemary & Co #0 (which I can only order online) is Kolinsky sable at $7.06. I have actually tried both the Rosemary and GW brushes, and to be frank they aren't far off -- Rosemary and Co are cheap but definitely not as high quality as Raphael. Winsor & Newton series 7 have gone way, way downhill to the point where I gave up on them completely and will likely never buy them again at their prices.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 13:22:26


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


Quasistellar wrote:
 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
plessiez wrote:
Synthetic brushes can't hold a point and you have to replace them much quicker than a good sable brush.

I'm guessing this is a simple case that GW are going to sell something that costs half as much to make but they will sell for three quarters the price of a sable brush.



That’s because most of the synthetic brushes you see for sale are low quality budget ranges. That shouldn’t be an issue with high quality synthetic brushes. Winsor and Newton, for example, make excellent synthetic brushes.


This is true, but also they aren't "cheap" either. A quick check of a "quality" synthetic: Winsor & Newton Cotman #0. Available at a local Michaels for $5.99 USD. Compare that to a sable (not Kolinsky) Games Workshop S. Layer at $7.50. Rosemary & Co #0 (which I can only order online) is Kolinsky sable at $7.06. I have actually tried both the Rosemary and GW brushes, and to be frank they aren't far off -- Rosemary and Co are cheap but definitely not as high quality as Raphael. Winsor & Newton series 7 have gone way, way downhill to the point where I gave up on them completely and will likely never buy them again at their prices.


I’m tempted to try Winsor and Newton synthetics. I’ve been using their series 7, mostly out of habit. The problem with sable is that natural hair is slightly absorbent. It’sideal for watercolours and non-acrylic inks, but much less so for fast drying acrylics.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 13:35:18


Post by: JWBS


Dunno why people are criticising GW paints. I've painted for decades, I've used multiple brands from various eras and I've found GW to be the best of them, yes even when considering Vallejo etc (and it's not like I don't appreciate Vallejo, I have maybe 200 vallejo paints but I still find GW to be better). I'd probably use exclusively GW paints were it not for the fact that Vallejo has a wider range, and vallejo being slightly cheaper is a little bonus too.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 13:39:46


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


JWBS wrote:
Dunno why people are criticising GW paints. I've painted for decades, I've used multiple brands from various eras and I've found GW to be the best of them, yes even when considering Vallejo etc (and it's not like I don't appreciate Vallejo, I have maybe 200 vallejo paints but I still find GW to be better). I'd probably use exclusively GW paints were it not for the fact that Vallejo has a wider range, and vallejo being slightly cheaper is a little bonus too.


I agree. The only thing I don’t like from GW is their metallics.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 15:44:48


Post by: Eldarsif


 Horla wrote:
KillerAngel wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Irbis wrote:

Have you seen the size, versatility, and price of Vallejo range?


Yes. Have you seen the lack of wide availability of said ranges?

Maybe in Fargo, ND but Vallejo is fairly prevalent both online and in most gaming stores I've been to.
Miniature Market carries good stock levels, and at $2.90 a bottle.

I have never seen a pot of Vallejo for sale in real life at a shop and the shipping makes them work out around the same as buying a GW paint. I’ve bought some online but I don’t know about others here but when I’m buying new colours I like to see what it looks like in the pot at least. The Vallejo website is ok but certainly things like GW and The Army Painter are very different to reality.


My country has received minimal to almost no Vallejo during entire COVID due to distributor issues. I'd love to use more Vallejo, but getting it them is annoying, especially if I am ordering my by my lonesome. Then I have to pay tax, toll, and wait a few weeks for delivery. No such thing with GW paints that are easily available in hobby stores here.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 16:10:24


Post by: hotsauceman1


Vallejo is my favorite paint range due to it being the most versatile(From Basecoating, to glazing to layering to wetblending)
It is hard to get a hold of alot of the paint RN tho


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 16:11:08


Post by: Sacredroach


I'd be interested in trying these out for highlighting but I have a host of other preferred brushes for detail work.

And for paint, I am pretty much addicted to Scale75's various brands of paint. Vivid colors, relatively easy to get online, and the whites and yellows cover extremely nicely.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 16:22:38


Post by: AllSeeingSkink


 Eldarsif wrote:
 Horla wrote:
KillerAngel wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Irbis wrote:

Have you seen the size, versatility, and price of Vallejo range?


Yes. Have you seen the lack of wide availability of said ranges?

Maybe in Fargo, ND but Vallejo is fairly prevalent both online and in most gaming stores I've been to.
Miniature Market carries good stock levels, and at $2.90 a bottle.

I have never seen a pot of Vallejo for sale in real life at a shop and the shipping makes them work out around the same as buying a GW paint. I’ve bought some online but I don’t know about others here but when I’m buying new colours I like to see what it looks like in the pot at least. The Vallejo website is ok but certainly things like GW and The Army Painter are very different to reality.


My country has received minimal to almost no Vallejo during entire COVID due to distributor issues. I'd love to use more Vallejo, but getting it them is annoying, especially if I am ordering my by my lonesome. Then I have to pay tax, toll, and wait a few weeks for delivery. No such thing with GW paints that are easily available in hobby stores here.


I've got a decent amount of Vallejo stuff, but it is harder to get than GW paint and buying from stores that offer a discount there's surprisingly little difference in the price between GW and Vallejo paint out here. Agree with the previous poster who mentioned they like to see paints in person rather than buying online. I do like GW's range, especially the bases, I reckon GW paints probably make up a third of my number of paints with the next biggest portion going to Vallejo and a smaller selection from Humbrol, Army Painter, P3 and Reaper, at least in terms of water based acrylics (also have Gunze, Tamiya and Testors for alcohol/lacquer/enamels).

In the end it's all good with pros and cons, wouldn't fault anyone for choosing any range over another. Competition in recent years has definitely helped improve the options.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/07 18:09:54


Post by: ced1106


> I'm intrigued by the makeup brush shaped ones, but not really sure if I need more synthetic brushes. Unless these somehow are a significant step up from cheapo synthetics.

Not sure if they are, but I had a big terrain project (ObPlug: Dungeons and Lasers 3 KS) and bought a $6 set to top off an Amazon order.
Pretty convenient, but not a must-have.

> Winsor & Newton series 7 have gone way, way downhill to the point where I gave up on them completely and will likely never buy them again at their prices.

Same experience here!

I just paint to advanced tabletop, and colored primers followed by an Army Painter wash do most of the work. After that, my hobby paint of choice is whichever comes out of the bottle with the least flow aid...


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/10 14:17:21


Post by: DaveC


Layer brushes get cheaper, Base and Shade stay the same and Dry brushes increase in price.


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Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/14 13:58:14


Post by: Ghool


The prices aren’t that bad. I’m all for trying out a new synthetic line. And I need some new dry brushes anyways.
The Artificer Layer brushes are great and comparable in price to other kolinsky sables in my area.
I’m going to give a couple of these a go.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/14 16:18:05


Post by: Red Corsair


 Ghool wrote:
The prices aren’t that bad. I’m all for trying out a new synthetic line. And I need some new dry brushes anyways.
The Artificer Layer brushes are great and comparable in price to other kolinsky sables in my area.
I’m going to give a couple of these a go.


If your looking for dry brushes just go cheap makeup bundle from amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/NEJLSD-Eyeliner-Eyeshadow-Blending-Foundation/dp/B07FFMGYFY/ref=sr_1_53?dchild=1&keywords=makeup+brush&qid=1621008479&sr=8-53

You can find even cheaper lots if you don't mind scrolling and narrowing your search. I picked up two 24 brush sets for under 10 bucks a year back. I just throw out the dry brush after a project and grab a new one for the next project. Dry brushes are a PITA to maintain anyway and you want something soft and cheap, I will never buy one from a miniature supplier again. Total waste of what they charge IMHO.

Incidentally you can also grab huge lots of synthetics as well. The quality is hit or miss, but at the price they sell them for on amazon the trick I find best is to purchase a few different sellers at a time, then repurchase in bulk from the best one. Use the other duds for applying washes or glue.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/16 11:30:15


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


 Red Corsair wrote:
 Ghool wrote:
The prices aren’t that bad. I’m all for trying out a new synthetic line. And I need some new dry brushes anyways.
The Artificer Layer brushes are great and comparable in price to other kolinsky sables in my area.
I’m going to give a couple of these a go.


If your looking for dry brushes just go cheap makeup bundle from amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/NEJLSD-Eyeliner-Eyeshadow-Blending-Foundation/dp/B07FFMGYFY/ref=sr_1_53?dchild=1&keywords=makeup+brush&qid=1621008479&sr=8-53

You can find even cheaper lots if you don't mind scrolling and narrowing your search. I picked up two 24 brush sets for under 10 bucks a year back. I just throw out the dry brush after a project and grab a new one for the next project. Dry brushes are a PITA to maintain anyway and you want something soft and cheap, I will never buy one from a miniature supplier again. Total waste of what they charge IMHO.

Incidentally you can also grab huge lots of synthetics as well. The quality is hit or miss, but at the price they sell them for on amazon the trick I find best is to purchase a few different sellers at a time, then repurchase in bulk from the best one. Use the other duds for applying washes or glue.


I keep hearing great things about cheap makeup brushes but I do worry about the environmental impact of something so disposable.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/16 13:18:52


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


They’re only as disposable as you dispose of them.

I suspect that they’ll stand up to say, a couple of years of dry brushing than they will make up application, because it requires different things from them.

Even a slightly knackered dry brush still has its uses once you’re used to it.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/16 14:17:24


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They’re only as disposable as you dispose of them.

I suspect that they’ll stand up to say, a couple of years of dry brushing than they will make up application, because it requires different things from them.

Even a slightly knackered dry brush still has its uses once you’re used to it.


I don’t think makeup brushes are designed to be cleaned. I did see a video somewhere of a guy trying to clean paint off a makeup brush and the minute he immersed it in water, the whole thing just fell apart.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/16 14:53:42


Post by: Platuan4th


 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They’re only as disposable as you dispose of them.

I suspect that they’ll stand up to say, a couple of years of dry brushing than they will make up application, because it requires different things from them.

Even a slightly knackered dry brush still has its uses once you’re used to it.


I don’t think makeup brushes are designed to be cleaned. I did see a video somewhere of a guy trying to clean paint off a makeup brush and the minute he immersed it in water, the whole thing just fell apart.


Just like with paint brushes, quality varies and especially with stuff like makeup and tools for it, you get what you pay for.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/16 15:40:05


Post by: Red Corsair


 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They’re only as disposable as you dispose of them.

I suspect that they’ll stand up to say, a couple of years of dry brushing than they will make up application, because it requires different things from them.

Even a slightly knackered dry brush still has its uses once you’re used to it.


I don’t think makeup brushes are designed to be cleaned. I did see a video somewhere of a guy trying to clean paint off a makeup brush and the minute he immersed it in water, the whole thing just fell apart.


You can clean them, I usually do when I use them for something small and quick. My point was you can have a life times supply on hand for cheap and if you decide to toss one you misused or had a particularly harsh project for you won't feel bad. I also buy cheap value packs of synthetics for applying washes, enamels, stippling etc. in various sizes. Makes zero sense to me to splurge on dry brushes but that's your call.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/16 15:45:51


Post by: Ghool


My problem with cheap brushes is that the hairs often fall out. I'd rather spend the money on a good synthetic that will last me years, rather then go through a pack of 20 cheap ones that leave hairs on my palette, figures, and cleaning towels.

I've had my current dry brushes for over a decade, so spending a few bucks on another one that will give me the precision I desire and not leave hairs all over the place is worth spending $10 on. I mean, folks will spend $150 on a single model, and then cheap out on the brushes to paint it? I just don't get why that disconnect happens.

If it lasts even half a year at the GW cost, then I've gotten my money's worth.

I'd rather not be wasteful, and spend money on something that will last over getting cheap junk to toss with every use.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/16 15:59:24


Post by: hotsauceman1


I found a pony hair brush that is wonderful for drybrushing.
But then again i spent 60$ on the Artis Opus D so im not one to speak.
I use cheap synthetics to basecoat however


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/16 19:56:09


Post by: Red Corsair


 Ghool wrote:
My problem with cheap brushes is that the hairs often fall out. I'd rather spend the money on a good synthetic that will last me years, rather then go through a pack of 20 cheap ones that leave hairs on my palette, figures, and cleaning towels.

I've had my current dry brushes for over a decade, so spending a few bucks on another one that will give me the precision I desire and not leave hairs all over the place is worth spending $10 on. I mean, folks will spend $150 on a single model, and then cheap out on the brushes to paint it? I just don't get why that disconnect happens.

If it lasts even half a year at the GW cost, then I've gotten my money's worth.

I'd rather not be wasteful, and spend money on something that will last over getting cheap junk to toss with every use.


I have never had those problems happen lol. I painted 1200 models last year alone btw. The only time I have had any hairs fall out from a brush was when I accidentally left one in my wash cup for a few days... days, because I have left them in over night and never had hairs fall out, usually the brass will come off the handle before that.

I suppose if you are using a natural hair brush and repeatedly used minerals spirits on it, but that isn't really relevant to the topic.

The price of the mini has nothing to do with quality painting either btw. You can spend a grand on a mini and paint it like crap, with zero technique and be happy. Has nothing to do with the discussion really. Are you implying expensive models should be painted with over expensive materials only? Seems silly.

BTW I started using the cheap make up brushes after learning the tip from some of the best mini painters out there like Vince Venturella so it isn't like this is some random advice from a cheap skate lol.

Have you ever painted with a makeup brush for drybrushing?



Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/16 20:01:20


Post by: Ghool


 Red Corsair wrote:
 Ghool wrote:
My problem with cheap brushes is that the hairs often fall out. I'd rather spend the money on a good synthetic that will last me years, rather then go through a pack of 20 cheap ones that leave hairs on my palette, figures, and cleaning towels.

I've had my current dry brushes for over a decade, so spending a few bucks on another one that will give me the precision I desire and not leave hairs all over the place is worth spending $10 on. I mean, folks will spend $150 on a single model, and then cheap out on the brushes to paint it? I just don't get why that disconnect happens.

If it lasts even half a year at the GW cost, then I've gotten my money's worth.

I'd rather not be wasteful, and spend money on something that will last over getting cheap junk to toss with every use.


I have never had those problems happen lol. I painted 1200 models last year alone btw. The only time I have had any hairs fall out from a brush was when I accidentally left one in my wash cup for a few days... days, because I have left them in over night and never had hairs fall out, usually the brass will come off the handle before that.

I suppose if you are using a natural hair brush and repeatedly used minerals spirits on it, but that isn't really relevant to the topic.

The price of the mini has nothing to do with quality painting either btw. You can spend a grand on a mini and paint it like crap, with zero technique and be happy. Has nothing to do with the discussion really. Are you implying expensive models should be painted with over expensive materials only? Seems silly.

BTW I started using the cheap make up brushes after learning the tip from some of the best mini painters out there like Vince Venturella so it isn't like this is some random advice from a cheap skate lol.

Have you ever painted with a makeup brush for drybrushing?



I’ve used them all. And I don’t like make up brushes. Too soft.
As for thinking that everyone needs to use an expensive brush to paint everything?
That’s not what I meant at all.
I find it funny that gamers can spend hundreds, thousands even on models, and balk at ten bucks for a brush.
To me that’s a weird disconnect.

And just because some one internet famous uses something, or that they’re a ‘pro’, doesn’t invalidate anyone else’s opinions.
And since you’re whipping it out, painting 1200 models in a year doesn’t somehow make your opinion worth more. I could sit here and brag about how many models I painted last year, or how many contests I’ve won too. But let’s not make this a pecker contest.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/16 20:14:57


Post by: Thargrim


JWBS wrote:
Dunno why people are criticising GW paints. I've painted for decades, I've used multiple brands from various eras and I've found GW to be the best of them, yes even when considering Vallejo etc (and it's not like I don't appreciate Vallejo, I have maybe 200 vallejo paints but I still find GW to be better). I'd probably use exclusively GW paints were it not for the fact that Vallejo has a wider range, and vallejo being slightly cheaper is a little bonus too.


Only real issue i've had with GW paints is the pots they come in. They tend to dry out and get gunked up inside the pot, i've had to throw out several of their paints because of it.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/16 21:33:25


Post by: Irbis


 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They’re only as disposable as you dispose of them.

I suspect that they’ll stand up to say, a couple of years of dry brushing than they will make up application, because it requires different things from them.

Even a slightly knackered dry brush still has its uses once you’re used to it.

I don’t think makeup brushes are designed to be cleaned. I did see a video somewhere of a guy trying to clean paint off a makeup brush and the minute he immersed it in water, the whole thing just fell apart.

Actually, I saw one painting group recommend makeup brushes over mini ones to drybrush recently:




And yes, according to them cleaning them is pretty simple and quick:




Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/16 22:50:45


Post by: yukishiro1


Unless GW has figured out how to make synthetic brushes that are totally different from the ones everyone else makes (fat chance of that...), I can't see any reason anybody would possibly want to pay between $6 and $10 per brush when the usual price for the normal good brands is half that or less.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/17 01:40:59


Post by: Mr. Grey


 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They’re only as disposable as you dispose of them.

I suspect that they’ll stand up to say, a couple of years of dry brushing than they will make up application, because it requires different things from them.

Even a slightly knackered dry brush still has its uses once you’re used to it.


I don’t think makeup brushes are designed to be cleaned. I did see a video somewhere of a guy trying to clean paint off a makeup brush and the minute he immersed it in water, the whole thing just fell apart.


Having watched my wife clean her makeup brushes many, many times, I can assure you that they are absolutely meant to be cleaned.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/17 02:58:06


Post by: Breotan


 DaveC wrote:
Layer brushes get cheaper, Base and Shade stay the same and Dry brushes increase in price.


For the price of one Citadel FineBrush, I can get a 2 pack (twenty brushes) of BOSOBO Paint Brushes.



Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/17 06:06:38


Post by: yukishiro1


Or 2-3 good (ok, well, as good as synthetic brushes can be) brushes from a real brushmaker.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/17 06:08:23


Post by: hotsauceman1


LoL those brushes on amazon are garbage for any real work.


Synthetic Brushes from GW @ 2021/05/17 09:54:08


Post by: Ian Sturrock


I'm glad to see easily available good quality brushes that aren't products of the fur trade.

Decent synthetics can be excellent. I backed the Ghost Brush KS which lots of supposed experts thought was overpriced, but I've been finding I use the synthetics I got from that, more often than my GW brushes or even my W&N Series 7 brushes. They just do the job, and I've not seen any curling or deterioration of the point yet (though the bristles are no longer white).