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Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 17:59:56


Post by: beast_gts


From today's Warhammer Animation Preview:

Enter Warhammer+

This brand new service is heading your way in July, and you’ll be able to start watching all these shows, and more, on your favourite device – from your mobile or tablet to your 4K TV – thanks to a bespoke app created by a big name in VOD content.

Of course Warhammer+ will offer far more than these animations – the full line-up and awesome subscriber benefits will blow your socks off.

We’ll have more news about how it works, and how you get it, on the 23rd of June.


I wonder if they're going to abandon Twitch...


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 18:02:37


Post by: Dagstyrr


Big yikes.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 18:03:48


Post by: Arbitrator


Would explain why they're so eager to crack down on fan projects despite, in theory, being free advertising - they want to consolidate any and all animation behind a subscription service and if fans are cranking bolter porn out for free, it risks hurting the incentive to subscribe.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 18:04:26


Post by: streetsamurai


Hard to see how they will have enough content to justify that kind of app. I guess if the price is not too high...


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 18:04:36


Post by: ScarletRose


Wow, aren't they like a year or two late on the whole streaming service fad?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 18:05:50


Post by: Voss


Ha, really? A warhammer only subscription service?

Hard pass. That's just laughable.


Throw in complimentary access to the entire black library catalog and a limited edition mini (the ones that they wont just selll) every month and maybe we can talk.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 18:05:57


Post by: Arbitrator


 streetsamurai wrote:
Hard to see how they will have enough content to justify that kind of app. I guess if the price is not too high...

Probably be like the app. Throw a beta version out to the whales to throw all their money at eagerly, then release an improved version in the future to applause and "waow, NuGW listens to us!!!".


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 18:08:41


Post by: Hanskrampf


Episode 1 of Angels of Death at launch confirmed, nothing else yet. This is laughable.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 18:13:02


Post by: Overread


 ScarletRose wrote:
Wow, aren't they like a year or two late on the whole streaming service fad?


Well unlike almost all the other TV streaming services, GW don't have a backlog of 30+years of TV shows to just throw up onto a streaming service. They've had to start from the ground since barring one or two (rather questionable production value) earlier attempts and a few short fan made animations; there just isn't a huge backlog of Warhammer TV out there.

I mean its not as if this is a shock to anyone is it? IT was fairly clear that GW doing its own TV shows was going to most likely go the path of hteir own streaming service. From there we might see the most popular get pushed into mainstream streaming services now and then.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 18:19:20


Post by: lord_blackfang


Seems like there's a lot of shows in the works, but even so, how much you gonna pay for an episode a week of say 4 shows and nothing else?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 18:19:52


Post by: Sotahullu


Well I wait to see what it provides, the products and at what costs.

If going by what little article provides it should have more then just animations.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 18:43:47


Post by: Cronch


HAHAHAHA

Considering we're entering the time where people actually talk about [redacted evil high seas activity] due to how many VOD services there are and how fragmented the streaming market has become, it's about three years too late with a laughably tiny library.

Like...I'm sure some good consumers will sign up, but unless it's actual 1 pound a month it will be worth signing up once to watch it all in a month.

I bet you they will stop using Twitch in an effort to monetize their subs even more, and possibly move all paint tutorials there too from YT. GW's own little North Korea style media ecosystem.

(I also had a look at the animation clips, is it me or the 2d animation looks choppy as hell? It literally takes me back to newgrounds flash days)


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 18:44:48


Post by: Albertorius


I need another subscription as much as I need another nostril.

Meaning: Ahahahahah, nope


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 18:58:21


Post by: Voss


 Overread wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:
Wow, aren't they like a year or two late on the whole streaming service fad?


Well unlike almost all the other TV streaming services, GW don't have a backlog of 30+years of TV shows to just throw up onto a streaming service. They've had to start from the ground since barring one or two (rather questionable production value) earlier attempts and a few short fan made animations; there just isn't a huge backlog of Warhammer TV out there.

I mean its not as if this is a shock to anyone is it? IT was fairly clear that GW doing its own TV shows was going to most likely go the path of hteir own streaming service. From there we might see the most popular get pushed into mainstream streaming services now and then.


Its a shock to me. I figured they'd go to amazon or Netflix or one of the dozen others. That they're not tells me they've got no expectation that these shows are worth anything to anyone beyond a completely captive audience.

Considering the other projects that have made it to streaming services (critical role comes to mind with their animation series coming to amazon), GW not managing it seems like tripping over a low bar.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 18:58:43


Post by: Mr. Grey


They probably could have made more money by just uploading to Youtube and basking in the ad revenue.

Are any of these shows even remotely finished and ready to air? From the sound snippets on the Warhammer Community site it doesn't sound like most of them even have more than a few sound bites done.

This is going to end up a lot like the Warhammer app; 45% done at launch with a bunch of broken and buggy features that will take a year or more to implement correctly.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:03:42


Post by: Voss


 Mr. Grey wrote:
They probably could have made more money by just uploading to Youtube and basking in the ad revenue.

Are any of these shows even remotely finished and ready to air? From the sound snippets on the Warhammer Community site it doesn't sound like most of them even have more than a few sound bites done.

This is going to end up a lot like the Warhammer app; 45% done at launch with a bunch of broken and buggy features that will take a year or more to implement correctly.


Did that ever even happen with the 'warhammer app?'


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:06:36


Post by: GrosseSax


The absolute hubris...


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:13:24


Post by: ScarletRose


Voss wrote:
 Overread wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:
Wow, aren't they like a year or two late on the whole streaming service fad?


Well unlike almost all the other TV streaming services, GW don't have a backlog of 30+years of TV shows to just throw up onto a streaming service. They've had to start from the ground since barring one or two (rather questionable production value) earlier attempts and a few short fan made animations; there just isn't a huge backlog of Warhammer TV out there.

I mean its not as if this is a shock to anyone is it? IT was fairly clear that GW doing its own TV shows was going to most likely go the path of hteir own streaming service. From there we might see the most popular get pushed into mainstream streaming services now and then.


Its a shock to me. I figured they'd go to amazon or Netflix or one of the dozen others. That they're not tells me they've got no expectation that these shows are worth anything to anyone beyond a completely captive audience.

Considering the other projects that have made it to streaming services (critical role comes to mind with their animation series coming to amazon), GW not managing it seems like tripping over a low bar.


Honestly it seems like something execs thought would be a good idea.

"My granddaughter spends all day on Netflix, Johnson build us a streaming service we can make money from. How hard can it be?"


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:15:38


Post by: Cripple X


As much as I like the idea of Warhammer animations, this is almost doomed to failure before it launches. Bigger companies with more extensive libraries and a whole lot more exposure have tried this and failed. DC Universe comes to mind. With the absolute saturation of streaming services available and GW's penchant for way overcharging for things, I will be genuinely surprised if this lasts very long.

Seriously, their price point better be exceedingly low, especially given that they are going to drip-feed rather than follow the binge-watch method. It better not be more than $2/month.

If they want something like $8/month like Disney+, they had better fold in something like access to Black Library releases in digital format and the Warhammer App as part of the subscription. They need to actually give it value. I genuinely wish they would, but I know they won't.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:15:55


Post by: NoggintheNog


Its the way lots of hobbies are going.

Model railways both in the UK and US are doing websites with subscriptions. they tend to include loads of video content as well as digital version of the magazine and other content too.

So model railroader for instance gives you a digital archive of all their magazines, 85 years worth, and you get the new magazine added every month too.

Same with BRM in the UK.

I would guess that for GW some of the twitch shows will move to app only, they'll probably include the warhammer app in with the price too, and possibly a digital version of white dwarf.

Average prices for the railway ones is $70/£60 a year.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:18:09


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:19:39


Post by: Cronch


We've seen the clips, they all look rather cheap, so unless the non-animated part is amazing, or the asking price is a pound a month, it'll be disappointing.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:20:06


Post by: NAVARRO


Right they struggled to fill a week (not even that) of content with Warhammer fest... The hobby hang out on twitch is so boring that wow I don't even watch it for free.

Good luck!


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:27:58


Post by: lord_blackfang


 Mr. Grey wrote:
They probably could have made more money by just uploading to Youtube and basking in the ad revenue.


I'm afraid you overestimate ad revenue. GW has 500k subscribers in Youtube, they'd be lucky to pull one middle class wage per show.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:29:58


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 Arbitrator wrote:
Would explain why they're so eager to crack down on fan projects despite, in theory, being free advertising - they want to consolidate any and all animation behind a subscription service and if fans are cranking bolter porn out for free, it risks hurting the incentive to subscribe.
You know the guy doing Astartes was getting 20k a month from his Patreon? "Free" stopped being free decades ago.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2252/04/22 18:03:59


Post by: Mr. Grey


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?


Radical or not, they're going to struggle HARD to maintain a streaming service that right out of the gate seems to have a limited selection of less than 10 shows, most of which(as far as we're aware) aren't even remotely close to completion yet. Charge anything more than $1/month and it'll tank hard before it even gets off the ground.

They're advertising Astartes II, which judging by the speed that the creator previously worked at, can't be at anything more than a rough concept stage at this point, even if GW shoved a full animation studio at him and said "get to work, we need this by July 2021".

The 7 minutes of Angels of Death that they showed were... not awesome. It honestly reminded me of video game cutscenes between gameplay levels more than anything else.



Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:32:42


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?
I am happy to pay money for product that obviously cost them money to make, rather than just demand they give all of it to us for free. The amount of entitlement thinking going on here actually surprises me, did people really think this was all just going to be free? Of course GW can still upset me with the price, but the concept of 'stuff costs money' is far too well established for me to get upset about it.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:34:33


Post by: Marshal Loss


Skeptical but happy to be won over if it's any good. Certainly won't be lining up to throw my money at it though


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:36:29


Post by: Cronch


did people really think this was all just going to be free?

It's literally no different to Transformers or GI Joe, it's designed to sell GW toys. Why would we pay for commercials?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:37:59


Post by: ScarletRose


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?
I am happy to pay money for product that obviously cost them money to make, rather than just demand they give all of it to us for free. The amount of entitlement thinking going on here actually surprises me, did people really think this was all just going to be free? Of course GW can still upset me with the price, but the concept of 'stuff costs money' is far too well established for me to get upset about it.


But no one is demanding free stuff?

It's simply a huge skepticism that GW can deliver any amount of content that would be worth the cost. It's like if they announced the new box set would be one marine but still cost $150 - complaints about that wouldn't be about "ungrateful plebs wanting free minis" it would be about value.

I'm sure there's a stable you can park that high horse in somewhere around here though.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:39:25


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


$1 a month, painting videos, weekly exclusive previews, access to BL digital content...

It COULD work.

Fold in a working army builder and rules access and then it could be worth $5.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:40:48


Post by: Cripple X


 Marshal Loss wrote:
Skeptical but happy to be won over if it's any good.

This is my feeling as well.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:48:26


Post by: chaos0xomega


 streetsamurai wrote:
Hard to see how they will have enough content to justify that kind of app. I guess if the price is not too high...


It looks like they have over a dozen shows and programs which are going to be launching through whatever this service is (it seems to be more than just tv/movies, etc. based on what little has been revealed), I think its going to come down to how many hours of content are available on launch and how many hours they add each month. If they're charging $10 a month I would guess they would need to have 40-60 hours of content minimum on launch and add at least a dozen hours worth each month afterwards. If its $5 a month then I think its a much lower level of expectation, maybe 20 hours at launch and and another 8 hours added per month afterwards. Thats only quantitative, it still needs to be *good* content - nobody is going to give a damn if they are putting 100 hours per month of shows and movies if its all worthless dreck.

In any case, I had a hunch this was coming and doubled down on my stock holdings of the company a few months ago, I very much doubt I'm going to regret it despite the cynicism you lot are spouting off. Especially if there is value-added beyond the shows, per Warcom:

This brand new service is heading your way in July, and you’ll be able to start watching all these shows, and more, on your favourite device – from your mobile or tablet to your 4K TV – thanks to a bespoke app created by a big name in VOD content.

Of course Warhammer+ will offer far more than these animations – the full line-up and awesome subscriber benefits will blow your socks off.


Add audiobook access, black library ebooks, a complete range of digital rulebooks updated with the latest faq and errata, and maybe a monthly "$5 off your purchase on our webstore" coupon, and even you lot will be throwing your money at them.

The real question is, does something like Eisenhorn launch through this platform or will they go to something more accessible beyond the community to try to get more market penetration/reach? I doubt this platform will be able to support the live action budget needed for something like this, and its going to be a hard sell to people that aren't inside the walls of the community to get them to sign up for this app, no matter how good the show is. I very much doubt a Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu, etc. type service is going to agree to fund development on a program like that (basically a requirement for a big budget show like that, we're talking budgets of $10-15 million per episode, a season could easily run more than GWs annual profits) without exclusive streaming rights, and Warhammer + subscribers are going to ragequit in droves if it doesn't include access to GWs biggest title.



Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:52:25


Post by: NAVARRO


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
$1 a month, painting videos, weekly exclusive previews, access to BL digital content...

It COULD work.

Fold in a working army builder and rules access and then it could be worth $5.



Personally I find GW tutorials very lacking and on you tube, twitch etc you can find considerably better and the abundance is amazing ( free of charge).
Weekly news I would not pay 1 cent for Warhammer fest thing... I don't find paying for previews/publicity a good value for my money.
I don't consume BL.

As a full hobbyist I have learned, due to GW years of silence on social media, to find better and more elsewhere.

Also the new prices I have been looking at some previews and GW core products makes me wonder if they totally lost the plot... I mean heavy intercessors and Lelith and vamp court to name a few.
So I don't think its going to be £1 a month.

If we are talking paying it needs to be considerable value in comparison with what is currently out there for free IMO.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:54:39


Post by: shadowsfm


They are holding the videos randsom. I can only watch if I pay every month. I wish for something physical to own, that I can say is mine. There is no guarantee that plus will still exist in 10 years


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 19:56:05


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I do wonder if this might be the reason for the bizarre discision to not sell stand alone e-book versions of the codexes/battletomes any more

bundle digital access to all of them in with a subscription and it may make more sense for many


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:10:29


Post by: Mightytyrant


I’d pay 10$ a month for Darren Latham painting tutorials. Anything else would be a bonus.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:15:21


Post by: Daedalus81


 ScarletRose wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?
I am happy to pay money for product that obviously cost them money to make, rather than just demand they give all of it to us for free. The amount of entitlement thinking going on here actually surprises me, did people really think this was all just going to be free? Of course GW can still upset me with the price, but the concept of 'stuff costs money' is far too well established for me to get upset about it.


But no one is demanding free stuff?

It's simply a huge skepticism that GW can deliver any amount of content that would be worth the cost. It's like if they announced the new box set would be one marine but still cost $150 - complaints about that wouldn't be about "ungrateful plebs wanting free minis" it would be about value.

I'm sure there's a stable you can park that high horse in somewhere around here though.


But what is that cost?

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but they mentioned this is built by someone who is streaming already and I can't help but notice that Disney Plus and Warhammer Plus are similar in name. Given that Warhammer is now part of Marvel it would seem to be that this is a natural fit.

If this is some channel on Disney Plus that is a couple bucks then I'll check it out. If it's some standalone with anywhere near the cost of Disney Plus it just ain't happening.





Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:16:22


Post by: chaos0xomega


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I do wonder if this might be the reason for the bizarre discision to not sell stand alone e-book versions of the codexes/battletomes any more

bundle digital access to all of them in with a subscription and it may make more sense for many


I'd pay $10-15/month for complete access to the complete range of digital rulebooks for the current edition alone, adding animation/film/shows, etc. is just icing to me at that point. To date I have refused to purchase a single rulebook from GW for 9th ed, not chapter approved, none of these crusade books, no codexes, etc. the only thing I got is the core rules because I bought 2 copies of indomitus. Hopefully GW proves this to have been a smart move on my part and rewards me with some sweet sweet digital rules.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:16:58


Post by: NAVARRO


Mightytyrant wrote:
I’d pay 10$ a month for Darren Latham painting tutorials. Anything else would be a bonus.


They are still available for free on YouTube. As much as I like that content it only gathered close to 60k subscribers which is not that much in the great scheme of things im afraid.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:21:43


Post by: Arbitrator


If they do include painting tutorials, I'd expect them to start going after YouTube painters who use their products. Maybe that's too cynical, but I'd at least expect a lot of the big ones to "GW has reached out to me with an exciting opportunity..." where they only cover Warhammer stuff behind this service, assuming they're not told to never paint anything non-Warhammer again so long as they have a contract going.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Would explain why they're so eager to crack down on fan projects despite, in theory, being free advertising - they want to consolidate any and all animation behind a subscription service and if fans are cranking bolter porn out for free, it risks hurting the incentive to subscribe.
You know the guy doing Astartes was getting 20k a month from his Patreon? "Free" stopped being free decades ago.

And how much was that costing GW themselves?




Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:28:59


Post by: Chairman Aeon




Enter Warhammer+

This brand new service is heading your way in July, and you’ll be able to start watching all these shows, and more, on your favourite device – from your mobile or tablet to your 4K TV – thanks to a bespoke app created by a big name in VOD content.


Amazon Prime sub-channel? How man other "big name in VOD content" companies pimp outside content?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:30:13


Post by: Cronch


Coming soon to Curiosity Stream!


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:30:46


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Daedalus81 wrote:
Given that Warhammer is now part of Marvel it would seem to be that this is a natural fit.


Obviously I don't know if that's what you meant to communicate but I just have to quickly point out that GW/Warhammer is not a part of Marvel/Disney. Marvel has the rights to do GW comics, and not even exclusive rights since the BL has been printing some.

For the 70s and 80s Marvel was the king of liscenced comics, Conan, Star Wars, GI Joe, Transformers plus a host of minor ones like Team America, Logans Run and 2001 (of all things). They got out of that in the 90s and 2000s to focus on their own IP but have roared back into in recent years picking up Conan (again) and now doing Aliens and Predator (which are now also under the Disney umbrella). But they never owned any of those.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:31:01


Post by: jojo_monkey_boy


That they are taking this direction with their service makes me really wish I could see their market research.

My assumption is that there are enough GW whales out there to support this service. Going by the success of their business, revenue wise, despite the increasingly toxic way in which they're marketing their products, there must be. What's better than provoking an impulse buy from a consumer? Provoking an impulse buy with a subscription built in.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:35:47


Post by: Mentlegen324


At the very least its not going to be just the animation, if it was just that I couldn't see it doing well at all, but if it was something like the shows, a back-catalogue of white dwarf digital issues, streams, and maybe an occasional digital story/novel or audiobook, then that wouldn't be so bad.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:44:28


Post by: Egyptian Space Zombie


This seems like a shortsighted move. It would e better to put the shows on Netflix or Amazon and use them as advertising.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2023/12/22 20:48:14


Post by: Overread


jojo_monkey_boy wrote:That they are taking this direction with their service makes me really wish I could see their market research.

My assumption is that there are enough GW whales out there to support this service. Going by the success of their business, revenue wise, despite the increasingly toxic way in which they're marketing their products, there must be. What's better than provoking an impulse buy from a consumer? Provoking an impulse buy with a subscription built in.


Thing is you don't need "Whales" for a subscription service. Most are cheap enough that you'd rely on regular customers and simply run on it being cheap enough to be forgotten expenditure each month

Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:This seems like a shortsighted move. It would e better to put the shows on Netflix or Amazon and use them as advertising.


Like I said earlier, I figure they'll use their direct customers as market research to find out which shows are the most popular and well received and then push those onto bigger networks. Perhaps even using those viewing figures for a better position at the negotiating table when approaching those platforms. Rather than going in cold as an unknown brand and name in the TV industry (even if they are using established makers)


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:48:31


Post by: Mr. Grey


 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
That they are taking this direction with their service makes me really wish I could see their market research.

My assumption is that there are enough GW whales out there to support this service. Going by the success of their business, revenue wise, despite the increasingly toxic way in which they're marketing their products, there must be. What's better than provoking an impulse buy from a consumer? Provoking an impulse buy with a subscription built in.


Just out of curiosity, what do you consider "the increasingly toxic way in which they're marketing their products"?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:52:13


Post by: Daedalus81


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
Given that Warhammer is now part of Marvel it would seem to be that this is a natural fit.


Obviously I don't know if that's what you meant to communicate but I just have to quickly point out that GW/Warhammer is not a part of Marvel/Disney. Marvel has the rights to do GW comics, and not even exclusive rights since the BL has been printing some.

For the 70s and 80s Marvel was the king of liscenced comics, Conan, Star Wars, GI Joe, Transformers plus a host of minor ones like Team America, Logans Run and 2001 (of all things). They got out of that in the 90s and 2000s to focus on their own IP but have roared back into in recent years picking up Conan (again) and now doing Aliens and Predator (which are now also under the Disney umbrella). But they never owned any of those.


Sorry - let me rephrase. GW has a working relationship with a company strongly tied to Disney.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:53:52


Post by: beast_gts


 Overread wrote:
Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:This seems like a shortsighted move. It would e better to put the shows on Netflix or Amazon and use them as advertising.
Like I said earlier, I figure they'll use their direct customers as market research to find out which shows are the most popular and well received and then push those onto bigger networks. Perhaps even using those viewing figures for a better position at the negotiating table when approaching those platforms. Rather than going in cold as an unknown brand and name in the TV industry (even if they are using established makers)
The rumour is their live action stuff (like Eisenhorn) is going on HBO.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:54:22


Post by: Sim-Life


This feels like GW losing the run of itself.

They got a LOT of good will out of people in the post-Kirby era but they are very quickly falling back into their old ways and are squandering what they earned.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:56:15


Post by: Danny76


I think it was always going to be something similar to this.

As to “they don’t have enough content” thing, how many people subbed Disney just for the Marvel shows OR Star Wars. The answer was a lot.
(Yes lots of people were down for both or Disney stuff for the kids, or fox, on ana on. But people will just sub to something and then leave it running all the time. Price just needs to be low enough to think ah yeah I’ll just not worry. £3 would do that. If it’s over £5 then you think about it more).
GW have the problem of they don’t know how to price things.
It’ll be nearer a tenner. Like when the 40k app first launched they priced it wrong.

To those that don’t like sitting subbed to something for little content,
Just get one month (if they do DD) after like the first 11 shows are out, cancel and do the same in a year or whatever.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 20:59:19


Post by: Stormonu


It'll be 24 hours of Ultramarines. And one episode of whatever that new show they were supposed to be working on.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 21:02:53


Post by: Danny76


Amazon sub channel is a good shout.
Disney wold work but they’d have to up the price, they don’t do variable subs. Amazon have the add ins etc.

Eisenhorn has to not be on this to succeed with its cost. That’s not being shopped for networks not this.

I’d potentially drop my Audible for this if it had BL audios in it, even a one a month system similar.
Very price dependant I guess on what included..
But if they’re making it “more than just the animation” it won’t be an add to something like Amazon.
But I’d happily take something done like that.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 21:20:09


Post by: shadowsfm


 Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:
This seems like a shortsighted move. It would e better to put the shows on Netflix or Amazon and use them as advertising.


Exactly what I was hoping. My guess is no service wanted them or they couldn't agree on a price and contact. though on the other hand, castlevania didn't shy away from gore and nudity


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 21:20:10


Post by: SamusDrake


So after the disappointment of Cursed City, we also have a no-show for neither Primaris Lieutenant: The Movie nor Paragon Suit: Nundam Wing.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 21:20:43


Post by: Lord Damocles


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?

Ah yes; because none of the other times we've heard 'WaIT aNd SEe!' have been entirely predictably lackluster at all...


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 21:29:22


Post by: Daedalus81


 Lord Damocles wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?

Ah yes; because none of the other times we've heard 'WaIT aNd SEe!' have been entirely predictably lackluster at all...


I feel like people think "wait and see" means "just wait and you'll see that it will be fine" rather than "let's wait for all the details before jumping to potentially exaggerated conclusions".


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 21:39:27


Post by: insaniak


Danny76 wrote:

As to “they don’t have enough content” thing, how many people subbed Disney just for the Marvel shows OR Star Wars. The answer was a lot.


Was it, though?

I can't see it having been any significant portion of their customer base, or they wouldn't have lasted 6 months due to canceled subscriptions once people had worked through the existing content.

And I suspect that even amongst those who did, many will have stuck around for the massive back catalogue, particularly when they added the Fox stuff. Warhammer+ won't have that, and they're competing for the money in an over-saturated market.

The only way I can see this working is if they go the Amazon route and your subscription gets you a bunch of tangible benefits outside of just stuff to watch.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 22:12:05


Post by: Slipspace


 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?

Ah yes; because none of the other times we've heard 'WaIT aNd SEe!' have been entirely predictably lackluster at all...


I feel like people think "wait and see" means "just wait and you'll see that it will be fine" rather than "let's wait for all the details before jumping to potentially exaggerated conclusions".


The problem here is GW have announced the service with no details, leaving us to speculate how they're going to deliver. That's GW's problem at this stage, not ours. They could easily have set out how it will work in broad strokes - whether it's a standalone subscription service, or a new channel on Disney+, or freely available to Netflix subscribers. By making the barest minimum announcement they've created this problem for themselves.

Given the quality of what I've seen so far I'm not impressed enough to shell out any money for this on top of the other subscriptions I already have. Maybe if they bundled it with other content directly related to gaming, such as proper eBooks of the rules, I might be persuaded, but it would heavily depend on price.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 22:52:59


Post by: yukishiro1


The last 40k app works so well, I am definitely inclined to subscribe to this one!


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 23:08:19


Post by: Argive


yukishiro1 wrote:
The last 40k app works so well, I am definitely inclined to subscribe to this one!




- Attributed to some consumer, probably. Somewhere circa 2021

I fear they will come after battle report creators next for content.
TTT have their own app and their own videos and they basically run their business out a garage...

I think they are laying groundwork to milk of the expected success of Eisenhorn some time in the future.

All in all its a big "yieks....." from me. I don't care if its even a £1. I need another subscription about as much as I need a gaping wound on my head...

I give it a year at most before both their app and this thing disappears entirely.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 23:08:25


Post by: Londinium


This honestly feels like the first major mistake that GW have made since Rountree took over. They're going to take a big old loss on this.

If they want to make TV series with the Warhammer universes, the only sensible way is working with established media companies that can get them on Amazon Prime/Netflix etc and provide a reasonable budget. Not run their own, inevitably poor streaming services with a number of poorly funded shows.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 23:23:28


Post by: Togusa


Well I for one am interested in this. There is a lot of potential here, and many of the shows they announced today sound very interesting. Animation is a great medium for Warhammer as opposed to live action because it's cheaper to produce and they can do a lot more with it.

I was pleasantly surprised to see a couple of AoS shows in there as well. Also, I'd love to see battle reports come to a service like this, painting tips, hobby stuff and upcoming releases. Building a digital platform in todays market is very ambitions and smart, not even their largest competitors have tried it.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 23:25:44


Post by: Cronch


Animation is a great medium for Warhammer as opposed to live action because it's cheaper to produce and they can do a lot more with it.

Not if you want quality animation. Which...did show imo


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 23:27:05


Post by: Malika2


Yay, more carnography!


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 23:34:53


Post by: Lord Blackscale


I mean... I bought a year of DC Universe when that service started, only to find they had limited movies and shows. The a year later they all go to HBO Max, and the wanted to charge the same for just the comics? I don't see how this could be any worse.

BTW I find trying to read comics on a computer annoying and unenjoyable.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 23:35:17


Post by: Togusa


Cronch wrote:
Animation is a great medium for Warhammer as opposed to live action because it's cheaper to produce and they can do a lot more with it.

Not if you want quality animation. Which...did show imo


Looks pretty quality to me, not much different from stuff I watch for Star Wars on D+. Astartes 2 looks pretty neat.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 23:38:32


Post by: jaredb


I'm really excited for this, and what will come after. I really enjoyed the preview of angles of death.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 23:38:45


Post by: Cronch


Really? To me most of the stuff looked like 2010s in-game renders, like stuff you'd see done by fans on SFM or Blender.
And the 2d animation was choppy as heck and looked just..not great?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/22 23:56:34


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 Londinium wrote:
This honestly feels like the first major mistake that GW have made since Rountree took over.
...pardon?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 00:02:12


Post by: jojo_monkey_boy


 Mr. Grey wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what do you consider "the increasingly toxic way in which they're marketing their products"?


They increasingly lump exclusively models behind bundles and they have also moved to a games + dlc model (look at necromunda).


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 00:25:09


Post by: Mr. Grey


Slipspace wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?

Ah yes; because none of the other times we've heard 'WaIT aNd SEe!' have been entirely predictably lackluster at all...


I feel like people think "wait and see" means "just wait and you'll see that it will be fine" rather than "let's wait for all the details before jumping to potentially exaggerated conclusions".


The problem here is GW have announced the service with no details, leaving us to speculate how they're going to deliver. That's GW's problem at this stage, not ours. They could easily have set out how it will work in broad strokes - whether it's a standalone subscription service, or a new channel on Disney+, or freely available to Netflix subscribers. By making the barest minimum announcement they've created this problem for themselves.

Given the quality of what I've seen so far I'm not impressed enough to shell out any money for this on top of the other subscriptions I already have. Maybe if they bundled it with other content directly related to gaming, such as proper eBooks of the rules, I might be persuaded, but it would heavily depend on price.


This is one of those times where GW's entire marketing strategy really bites them in the rear. A lot of GW advertising is entirely dependent on a very short window of "Look at all this amazing, awesome stuff that you can buy in a couple of weeks!!", with a few mini preview pics and a couple of rules snippets thrown in as added teasers. A streaming service is.... not that. Customers are going to want more details: what will be fully and totally available at launch, what side benefits are there, how much will it cost per month, will it bundle anything else into the subscription, that sort of thing.

So far we have... a few titles, some vague promises, and 7 minutes of something that could just as well be a cutscene from a video game(no offense to the animator, that's just what it looks like to me).

Are any of these shows ready to air?
Will there be individual episodes streaming on a weekly basis? Can you binge the entire thing at once?
How complete is any of it?
What other benefits do subscribers get?
Do you also have access to Black Library audiobooks/dramas?
Are the product discounts for subscribers?
What's the long-term plan for this service? Painting videos? Battle reports? Narrative events?
How much effort are they putting into this to make it a successful and viable streaming service?

Two thirds of those titles didn't even interest me based on those very short audio snippets they gave us.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 00:40:37


Post by: Voss


Cronch wrote:
Animation is a great medium for Warhammer as opposed to live action because it's cheaper to produce and they can do a lot more with it.

Not if you want quality animation. Which...did show imo


Yeah, based on some numbers I've seen recently, a 22 minute animated episode is about $880,000*. And takes about a year or so from start to finish (a series will overlap in various stages of production as it moves from one team to another).
GW has an absurd number of shows in production at once for some reason, so they're going all in on this. (Probably about 60 million for these eleven shows assuming about 110 minutes each (either as 5 22 minute episodes or a single long feature). Now some of these probably won't cost as much because the animation style and quality varies pretty wildly. But their own 'bespoke' service is going to cost a pretty penny, too.

*going off what the animated Critical Role episodes are costing, by the same studio (Titmouse) that did Venture Brothers, ST: Lower Decks, and a bunch of other stuff.


----

Finally got around to watching the Angels of Death preview- uh, huh. Not sure the color thing isn't a cost-cutting measure rather than 'artistic vision.' The lip sync is definitely terrible. A reasonable and friendly chaplain is just _weird_. As is a captain and deathwatch veteran as a twitchy little ferret.

But still, burying it behind their own little wall makes no sense to me. They don't have enough, and nothing jumps out as worth making an effort for. Sticking to their existing audience rather than reaching out just seems backwards.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 00:50:23


Post by: frankelee


As long as they're paying me to watch these cartoons, this app should do great. Obviously if it costs more than that, like free or something stupid, it won't garner much of the market.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 00:55:10


Post by: Chikout


It ALL depends on what the other benefits to subscribing are. They have a huge catalogue of audiobooks and audio dramas which would bulk out the offering substantially. They could throw in subscriptions to Azyr and the 40k app. They could say that anyone who subscribes for a year will get all the event/store opening models.

One thing to point out is that gw is growing massively. They recently announced that they made £150million profit this year. That's more than they made in revenue 5 years ago. They can afford a risky failure.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 01:16:20


Post by: streetsamurai


Voss wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Animation is a great medium for Warhammer as opposed to live action because it's cheaper to produce and they can do a lot more with it.

Not if you want quality animation. Which...did show imo


Yeah, based on some numbers I've seen recently, a 22 minute animated episode is about $880,000*. And takes about a year or so from start to finish (a series will overlap in various stages of production as it moves from one team to another).
GW has an absurd number of shows in production at once for some reason, so they're going all in on this. (Probably about 60 million for these eleven shows assuming about 110 minutes each (either as 5 22 minute episodes or a single long feature). Now some of these probably won't cost as much because the animation style and quality varies pretty wildly. But their own 'bespoke' service is going to cost a pretty penny, too.

*going off what the animated Critical Role episodes are costing, by the same studio (Titmouse) that did Venture Brothers, ST: Lower Decks, and a bunch of other stuff.


----

Finally got around to watching the Angels of Death preview- uh, huh. Not sure the color thing isn't a cost-cutting measure rather than 'artistic vision.' The lip sync is definitely terrible. A reasonable and friendly chaplain is just _weird_. As is a captain and deathwatch veteran as a twitchy little ferret.

But still, burying it behind their own little wall makes no sense to me. They don't have enough, and nothing jumps out as worth making an effort for. Sticking to their existing audience rather than reaching out just seems backwards.


If it even cost Half.that.amount, i cant see this being anything but a complete financial disaster


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 01:42:33


Post by: Pointer5


Great I can watch orks go WAAAAAAGGHH!!!! all day long


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 01:44:56


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I mean they even called it "Warhammer+".

I mean seriously, who do they think they are?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 01:50:44


Post by: Dagstyrr


Chikout wrote:
It ALL depends on what the other benefits to subscribing are. They have a huge catalogue of audiobooks and audio dramas which would bulk out the offering substantially. They could throw in subscriptions to Azyr and the 40k app. They could say that anyone who subscribes for a year will get all the event/store opening models.

One thing to point out is that gw is growing massively. They recently announced that they made £150million profit this year. That's more than they made in revenue 5 years ago. They can afford a risky failure.


I'd feel much better about the service if it had access to a digital archive, maybe a package with White Dwarf or some kind of bonus. I don't have much faith in any of the animations beyond Astartes because he delivered an excellent finished product all on his own. I thought the clip they showed today was honestly the weakest one they showed. That does not look finished, especially the audio. I don't want them to fail, I want them to make smart decisions about the IP. They couldn't do something on youtube? They offer some "premium" services, and they'd be able to use the algorithm in their favor. Someone watching a battle report could go on to their channel. Why doesn't GW produce high quality battle reports? The fanbase does that, they should do so as well. They need a digital White Dwarf presence or something.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 02:09:37


Post by: Togusa


 Mr. Grey wrote:
Slipspace wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?

Ah yes; because none of the other times we've heard 'WaIT aNd SEe!' have been entirely predictably lackluster at all...


I feel like people think "wait and see" means "just wait and you'll see that it will be fine" rather than "let's wait for all the details before jumping to potentially exaggerated conclusions".


The problem here is GW have announced the service with no details, leaving us to speculate how they're going to deliver. That's GW's problem at this stage, not ours. They could easily have set out how it will work in broad strokes - whether it's a standalone subscription service, or a new channel on Disney+, or freely available to Netflix subscribers. By making the barest minimum announcement they've created this problem for themselves.

Given the quality of what I've seen so far I'm not impressed enough to shell out any money for this on top of the other subscriptions I already have. Maybe if they bundled it with other content directly related to gaming, such as proper eBooks of the rules, I might be persuaded, but it would heavily depend on price.


This is one of those times where GW's entire marketing strategy really bites them in the rear. A lot of GW advertising is entirely dependent on a very short window of "Look at all this amazing, awesome stuff that you can buy in a couple of weeks!!", with a few mini preview pics and a couple of rules snippets thrown in as added teasers. A streaming service is.... not that. Customers are going to want more details: what will be fully and totally available at launch, what side benefits are there, how much will it cost per month, will it bundle anything else into the subscription, that sort of thing.

So far we have... a few titles, some vague promises, and 7 minutes of something that could just as well be a cutscene from a video game(no offense to the animator, that's just what it looks like to me).

Are any of these shows ready to air?
Will there be individual episodes streaming on a weekly basis? Can you binge the entire thing at once?
How complete is any of it?
What other benefits do subscribers get?
Do you also have access to Black Library audiobooks/dramas?
Are the product discounts for subscribers?
What's the long-term plan for this service? Painting videos? Battle reports? Narrative events?
How much effort are they putting into this to make it a successful and viable streaming service?

Two thirds of those titles didn't even interest me based on those very short audio snippets they gave us.


Tune in on June 23rd to get those kinds of answers. That's what the article said.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 03:00:37


Post by: flamingkillamajig


I feel weird about this. I think some of this has potential but if it's a streaming service I'd rather not pay much for it. Honestly most streaming services don't have much valid to watch. At least I like 40k and most of these series are 40k.

Maybe I'm the weird one here that didn't see the original title when I looked at warhammer community and honestly I have a serious bone to pick with GW in many ways but the 7 mins preview they showed seems decent. Somehow the art style of it reminds me of the aesthetic of the old starship troopers and starcraft cinematics from the 90s. It's gritty, dark, dirty and chunky. I've been missing that aesthetic for a long time now.

As far as wait and see goes I was dreading how my dark eldar would be too weak in games of 40k and now we are top tier with some really valid builds. We could still use new toys for dark eldar and gw disappoints a lot but I'm mixed these days instead of entirely disappointed.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 03:03:23


Post by: Midnightdeathblade


Saw this a mile away. Of course they would enter the realm of streaming services. I would hope they price a subscription pretty low, the quality of animation they have shown so far is amateur at best. Not that that's a bad thing, they are giving smaller creators a job, which is always good. But they should charge accordingly.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 03:07:06


Post by: flamingkillamajig


That's fair but would you prefer something that looks sterile or very hollywood-esque. Maybe high budget takes away from the small company vibe the company used to have. I'd rather have low budget hardcore fans doing their thing than some faceless mega corporation.

Ofc the ultramarines movie from years back was terrible. GW can fail hard.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 03:33:46


Post by: scarletsquig


Modern animated fantasy sets the bar pretty high.

Castlevania oozes grimdark and is as close to classic old world Warhammer as anything is likely to get.

Then for high fantasy, there's stuff like The Dragon Prince, if GW took its 40k adventures approach and made it a little more serious in tone it could make something similar.

The only GW movie I watched was the Ultramarines movie, probably the worst animation I've ever convinced myself to sit through. Hopefully there's at least one gem in the dozen or so series worth watching.

I'd really rather see them do a single series well and have it succeed on Netflix than the scattergun approach.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 03:49:22


Post by: hotsauceman1


 NAVARRO wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
$1 a month, painting videos, weekly exclusive previews, access to BL digital content...

It COULD work.

Fold in a working army builder and rules access and then it could be worth $5.



Personally I find GW tutorials very lacking and on you tube, twitch etc you can find considerably better and the abundance is amazing ( free of charge).
Weekly news I would not pay 1 cent for Warhammer fest thing... I don't find paying for previews/publicity a good value for my money.
I don't consume BL.

Their painting lacks any sort of creativity or theory behind it. There is no "HEre is how you properly edge highlight, here is glazing too) They lack alot of concepts/


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 05:09:22


Post by: CMLR


Warhammer+

"+"

Isn't it obvious?

This is part of Disney+ now.

Mark my words.

Stranger things have happened in the last year.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 05:54:24


Post by: flamingkillamajig


 CMLR wrote:
Warhammer+

"+"

Isn't it obvious?

This is part of Disney+ now.

Mark my words.

Stranger things have happened in the last year.


Oh I'm not doubting it. Disney own marvel and marvel is helping them along. Just would rather gw not get bought up by Disney but what you gonna do.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 06:21:52


Post by: lord marcus


 flamingkillamajig wrote:
 CMLR wrote:
Warhammer+

"+"

Isn't it obvious?

This is part of Disney+ now.

Mark my words.

Stranger things have happened in the last year.


Oh I'm not doubting it. Disney own marvel and marvel is helping them along. Just would rather gw not get bought up by Disney but what you gonna do.


GW is not going to get bought by disney. worst case scenario someone from marvel put execs from both in the same room and they came to an agreement I would think


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 06:32:09


Post by: endlesswaltz123


Yeah, they absolutely are not being bought out by Disney... However, I wouldn't be surprised if they have a business plan that involves warhammer+ being bought out/licensed to a big streaming platform at some point, I would argue that is in GW's best interest, as whilst warhammer+ will surely be worth it for a few months of the year for most people who enjoy the hobby, the real thing GW want is viewers, and viewers from outside the hobby to let all of the company grow.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 06:53:49


Post by: Jadenim


Togusa wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
Spoiler:
Slipspace wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?

Ah yes; because none of the other times we've heard 'WaIT aNd SEe!' have been entirely predictably lackluster at all...


I feel like people think "wait and see" means "just wait and you'll see that it will be fine" rather than "let's wait for all the details before jumping to potentially exaggerated conclusions".


The problem here is GW have announced the service with no details, leaving us to speculate how they're going to deliver. That's GW's problem at this stage, not ours. They could easily have set out how it will work in broad strokes - whether it's a standalone subscription service, or a new channel on Disney+, or freely available to Netflix subscribers. By making the barest minimum announcement they've created this problem for themselves.

Given the quality of what I've seen so far I'm not impressed enough to shell out any money for this on top of the other subscriptions I already have. Maybe if they bundled it with other content directly related to gaming, such as proper eBooks of the rules, I might be persuaded, but it would heavily depend on price.


This is one of those times where GW's entire marketing strategy really bites them in the rear. A lot of GW advertising is entirely dependent on a very short window of "Look at all this amazing, awesome stuff that you can buy in a couple of weeks!!", with a few mini preview pics and a couple of rules snippets thrown in as added teasers. A streaming service is.... not that. Customers are going to want more details: what will be fully and totally available at launch, what side benefits are there, how much will it cost per month, will it bundle anything else into the subscription, that sort of thing.

So far we have... a few titles, some vague promises, and 7 minutes of something that could just as well be a cutscene from a video game(no offense to the animator, that's just what it looks like to me).

Are any of these shows ready to air?
Will there be individual episodes streaming on a weekly basis? Can you binge the entire thing at once?
How complete is any of it?
What other benefits do subscribers get?
Do you also have access to Black Library audiobooks/dramas?
Are the product discounts for subscribers?
What's the long-term plan for this service? Painting videos? Battle reports? Narrative events?
How much effort are they putting into this to make it a successful and viable streaming service?

Two thirds of those titles didn't even interest me based on those very short audio snippets they gave us.


Tune in on June 23rd to get those kinds of answers. That's what the article said.


Yeah, this wasn’t the preview for the streaming service, it was the announcement for the preview.

I’m happy to wait and see what the price / content deal on this is, but I’m disappointed with where this seems to be going, because it’s a massive missed opportunity to expand the community. If this is sat on their own proprietary service, the only people who will watch it are already Warhammer fans; if this was on a major streaming service (the suggestions of an Amazon sub-channel are a good one), even a small percentage of their user base would represent a massive influx of potential new players. GW should be viewing this as a way to get some claws into more mainstream communities than just squeeze more cash out of their existing fan base.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 07:26:32


Post by: Togusa


So I got to thinking. Any chance they can do any animated shows for LoTR since they have the gaming license for that?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 07:30:47


Post by: Hanskrampf


Togusa wrote:
So I got to thinking. Any chance they can do any animated shows for LoTR since they have the gaming license for that?

No chance. They can't even use actors' faces for stuff that wasn't in the movies like the Shire Saruman.
Aside from that, Amazon is doing a LotR series, and it's highly likely that this forbids everyone else to do one, be it animated or with actors.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 07:40:12


Post by: Togusa


 Hanskrampf wrote:
Togusa wrote:
So I got to thinking. Any chance they can do any animated shows for LoTR since they have the gaming license for that?

No chance. They can't even use actors' faces for stuff that wasn't in the movies like the Shire Saruman.
Aside from that, Amazon is doing a LotR series, and it's highly likely that this forbids everyone else to do one, be it animated or with actors.


That's unfortunate. I think some LoTR adventures would be really great, and would be a big draw for a platform like this.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 07:49:51


Post by: Cybtroll


Do you know the Aesop's fable of the frog and the ox?

That's my current feeling about this news.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 07:50:21


Post by: Dysartes


 Jadenim wrote:
Togusa wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
Spoiler:
Slipspace wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?

Ah yes; because none of the other times we've heard 'WaIT aNd SEe!' have been entirely predictably lackluster at all...


I feel like people think "wait and see" means "just wait and you'll see that it will be fine" rather than "let's wait for all the details before jumping to potentially exaggerated conclusions".


The problem here is GW have announced the service with no details, leaving us to speculate how they're going to deliver. That's GW's problem at this stage, not ours. They could easily have set out how it will work in broad strokes - whether it's a standalone subscription service, or a new channel on Disney+, or freely available to Netflix subscribers. By making the barest minimum announcement they've created this problem for themselves.

Given the quality of what I've seen so far I'm not impressed enough to shell out any money for this on top of the other subscriptions I already have. Maybe if they bundled it with other content directly related to gaming, such as proper eBooks of the rules, I might be persuaded, but it would heavily depend on price.


This is one of those times where GW's entire marketing strategy really bites them in the rear. A lot of GW advertising is entirely dependent on a very short window of "Look at all this amazing, awesome stuff that you can buy in a couple of weeks!!", with a few mini preview pics and a couple of rules snippets thrown in as added teasers. A streaming service is.... not that. Customers are going to want more details: what will be fully and totally available at launch, what side benefits are there, how much will it cost per month, will it bundle anything else into the subscription, that sort of thing.

So far we have... a few titles, some vague promises, and 7 minutes of something that could just as well be a cutscene from a video game(no offense to the animator, that's just what it looks like to me).

Are any of these shows ready to air?
Will there be individual episodes streaming on a weekly basis? Can you binge the entire thing at once?
How complete is any of it?
What other benefits do subscribers get?
Do you also have access to Black Library audiobooks/dramas?
Are the product discounts for subscribers?
What's the long-term plan for this service? Painting videos? Battle reports? Narrative events?
How much effort are they putting into this to make it a successful and viable streaming service?

Two thirds of those titles didn't even interest me based on those very short audio snippets they gave us.


Tune in on June 23rd to get those kinds of answers. That's what the article said.


Yeah, this wasn’t the preview for the streaming service, it was the announcement for the preview.

I’m happy to wait and see what the price / content deal on this is, but I’m disappointed with where this seems to be going, because it’s a massive missed opportunity to expand the community. If this is sat on their own proprietary service, the only people who will watch it are already Warhammer fans; if this was on a major streaming service (the suggestions of an Amazon sub-channel are a good one), even a small percentage of their user base would represent a massive influx of potential new players. GW should be viewing this as a way to get some claws into more mainstream communities than just squeeze more cash out of their existing fan base.


Honestly? They'd've been better off not doing an "announcing the announcement" moment in this preview, and dropping the June 23rd preview following some posts on WHC that week - or maybe saying they'd do another animation showcase on June 23rd, and including the details of the subscription service then.

Look at the discussion it has generated here already, and the amount of - arguably justifiable - negativity the announcement has caused because virtually no details have been provided. This style of announcement for a service isn't a good move without details.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 08:11:43


Post by: Togusa


 Dysartes wrote:
 Jadenim wrote:
Togusa wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
Spoiler:
Slipspace wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?

Ah yes; because none of the other times we've heard 'WaIT aNd SEe!' have been entirely predictably lackluster at all...


I feel like people think "wait and see" means "just wait and you'll see that it will be fine" rather than "let's wait for all the details before jumping to potentially exaggerated conclusions".


The problem here is GW have announced the service with no details, leaving us to speculate how they're going to deliver. That's GW's problem at this stage, not ours. They could easily have set out how it will work in broad strokes - whether it's a standalone subscription service, or a new channel on Disney+, or freely available to Netflix subscribers. By making the barest minimum announcement they've created this problem for themselves.

Given the quality of what I've seen so far I'm not impressed enough to shell out any money for this on top of the other subscriptions I already have. Maybe if they bundled it with other content directly related to gaming, such as proper eBooks of the rules, I might be persuaded, but it would heavily depend on price.


This is one of those times where GW's entire marketing strategy really bites them in the rear. A lot of GW advertising is entirely dependent on a very short window of "Look at all this amazing, awesome stuff that you can buy in a couple of weeks!!", with a few mini preview pics and a couple of rules snippets thrown in as added teasers. A streaming service is.... not that. Customers are going to want more details: what will be fully and totally available at launch, what side benefits are there, how much will it cost per month, will it bundle anything else into the subscription, that sort of thing.

So far we have... a few titles, some vague promises, and 7 minutes of something that could just as well be a cutscene from a video game(no offense to the animator, that's just what it looks like to me).

Are any of these shows ready to air?
Will there be individual episodes streaming on a weekly basis? Can you binge the entire thing at once?
How complete is any of it?
What other benefits do subscribers get?
Do you also have access to Black Library audiobooks/dramas?
Are the product discounts for subscribers?
What's the long-term plan for this service? Painting videos? Battle reports? Narrative events?
How much effort are they putting into this to make it a successful and viable streaming service?

Two thirds of those titles didn't even interest me based on those very short audio snippets they gave us.


Tune in on June 23rd to get those kinds of answers. That's what the article said.


Yeah, this wasn’t the preview for the streaming service, it was the announcement for the preview.

I’m happy to wait and see what the price / content deal on this is, but I’m disappointed with where this seems to be going, because it’s a massive missed opportunity to expand the community. If this is sat on their own proprietary service, the only people who will watch it are already Warhammer fans; if this was on a major streaming service (the suggestions of an Amazon sub-channel are a good one), even a small percentage of their user base would represent a massive influx of potential new players. GW should be viewing this as a way to get some claws into more mainstream communities than just squeeze more cash out of their existing fan base.


Honestly? They'd've been better off not doing an "announcing the announcement" moment in this preview, and dropping the June 23rd preview following some posts on WHC that week - or maybe saying they'd do another animation showcase on June 23rd, and including the details of the subscription service then.

Look at the discussion it has generated here already, and the amount of - arguably justifiable - negativity the announcement has caused because virtually no details have been provided. This style of announcement for a service isn't a good move without details.


It's not the fault of Games Workshop that people online hate something without knowing anything about it. For what it's worth I've seen tons of positive conversation about it, both on line and in real life. I for one, am very interested in this project. Having a streaming service that can house all of their content in one place is a great idea. I'm hoping we will get more advanced painting tutorials, conversion videos and more of the Stormcast/40K casts through this service, in addition to cool movies and shows.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 08:23:21


Post by: Danny76


And this is the internet players/fans/haters.

The larger portion of Warhammer fans probably aren’t us who come to the forums to complain etc.

Overall I think it’ll do great for them.
Whatever our misgivings are.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 08:41:53


Post by: General Kroll


The advantage of doing their own thing is that they’ll control the IP, and the executive decisions.

If they licensed Netflix or Amazon to make these shows, there would be myriad little tweaks by execs writers and directors who don’t know the universe, in order to appeal to a wider audience.

GW have always been guarded to the point of jealousy with their IP. It’s no surprise to me that they will continue to do so.

Look at Black Library, I’m sure when they first started the novels, people wondered why they didn’t just license the IP to one of the experienced publishing houses etc etc.

They are doing this in house because they will maintain control that way.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 08:47:22


Post by: tauist


I have a hunch that Warhammer+ will turn out to be something much more than just a few VOD series. GW owns the rights to all their fiction as well as their publications, and WH+ just might turn out to leverage this aspect on an unprecedented level. This might have been a long time plan coming to fruition..

But let's see when its actually announced!


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 08:48:31


Post by: Jadenim


Oh, I'm not arguing for licencing it out to Amazon, etc., just using their platform for distribution (which, to be fair, they still may be, but they're presenting it as something much more stand alone at the moment).


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 08:56:24


Post by: Flinty


There are a lot of audiobooks available and they would appeal to a lot of painters i think to keep the mood going while hands and eyes are busy.

Going to be interesting to see what happens because there is a lot of risk in this arena.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 09:04:59


Post by: Dysartes


Togusa wrote:
It's not the fault of Games Workshop that people online hate something without knowing anything about it. For what it's worth I've seen tons of positive conversation about it, both on line and in real life. I for one, am very interested in this project. Having a streaming service that can house all of their content in one place is a great idea. I'm hoping we will get more advanced painting tutorials, conversion videos and more of the Stormcast/40K casts through this service, in addition to cool movies and shows.


If you do not provide information, you invite speculation - and with GW's recent history when it comes to the digital space, being wary is wise. Can you really sit there and type with a straight face that this isn't going to be overpriced, that this may not mean removing more content from other platforms, that the quality of the delivered product will undoubtedly not be full of bugs?

We know they're not unwilling to pull a bait & switch on their audience - the continued irritation around Cursed City is all the evidence we need there. I'd ask if you're comfortable with people pulling a bait and switch, but...

Having hope is your prerogative, but consider the state of their 40k app, both at launch and even now, and temper that hope with a dash of realism.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 09:12:09


Post by: Fayric


Ah, GW plan to sue Disney for using their trademark "+" warhammer IP.

Its actually pretty Ironic to see them grabbing the + for their own.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 09:12:39


Post by: CragHack


Instead of focusing their efforts timely releases, website stability, product support and availability, they give us this...
Two hands are not not enough to facepalm.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 09:15:35


Post by: General Kroll


 Flinty wrote:
There are a lot of audiobooks available and they would appeal to a lot of painters i think to keep the mood going while hands and eyes are busy.

Going to be interesting to see what happens because there is a lot of risk in this arena.


Yeah, if it includes the audiobooks I’d be interested, depending on the price of course.

I don’t see a handful of tv shows being enough to justify a subscription on their own. Don’t get me wrong, I thought the animations they showed looked good, especially Angels of Death, and the ones done in traditional animation style. Was excited to see a Death Korps dude pop up as well. Just think they’ll need more than they’ve shown so far to attract enough people etc.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 09:40:59


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Daedalus81 wrote:

Sorry - let me rephrase. GW has a working relationship with a company strongly tied to Disney.


Yeah I figured, but there was some panicking last year to the effect of Disney/Marvel is buying and watering down 40k. Best not to reopen that can.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 09:42:04


Post by: Togusa


 Dysartes wrote:
Togusa wrote:
It's not the fault of Games Workshop that people online hate something without knowing anything about it. For what it's worth I've seen tons of positive conversation about it, both on line and in real life. I for one, am very interested in this project. Having a streaming service that can house all of their content in one place is a great idea. I'm hoping we will get more advanced painting tutorials, conversion videos and more of the Stormcast/40K casts through this service, in addition to cool movies and shows.


If you do not provide information, you invite speculation - and with GW's recent history when it comes to the digital space, being wary is wise. Can you really sit there and type with a straight face that this isn't going to be overpriced, that this may not mean removing more content from other platforms, that the quality of the delivered product will undoubtedly not be full of bugs?

We know they're not unwilling to pull a bait & switch on their audience - the continued irritation around Cursed City is all the evidence we need there. I'd ask if you're comfortable with people pulling a bait and switch, but...

Having hope is your prerogative, but consider the state of their 40k app, both at launch and even now, and temper that hope with a dash of realism.


I don't know anything about the product yet. We don't know who is even making the application. I use the current 40K app and have no issues with it, so I'm not sure what the deal is there. As for overcosted, again, I have no idea because A) We don't know what the product will offer and B) WE DON'T KNOW THE COST. Cursed City? Where did the mean board game touch you? I won't argue it with you. You believe it was a bait and switch and that's your right. I do not.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 09:55:30


Post by: Cronch


 flamingkillamajig wrote:

Maybe I'm the weird one here that didn't see the original title when I looked at warhammer community and honestly I have a serious bone to pick with GW in many ways but the 7 mins preview they showed seems decent. Somehow the art style of it reminds me of the aesthetic of the old starship troopers and starcraft cinematics from the 90s. It's gritty, dark, dirty and chunky. I've been missing that aesthetic for a long time now.

SST: Roughnecks and Starcraft cinematics were the peak of 3D animation back in the day. They looked the way they did because that was the state of the art. The art has moved on and our 3d animated dollies can now look like humans, not glazed mannequins whose lack of detail is hidden by dark shadows.


I don't know anything about the product yet.

Well, we've seen a bunch of trailers of what's clearly supposed to be the main draw of the platform. I suppose if you enjoy watching the same plot of marines go shooty shooty blam with different paint schemes its going to be worth the money.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 09:56:53


Post by: ERJAK


If it's like a dollar a month I'll consider it a 'netflix expansion pack' and hold on to it hoping to fund some decent content in the future. If it's more than that, I can't see any reason to not just blitz through all the content in a month and cancel.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 10:30:01


Post by: ImAGeek


 CragHack wrote:
Instead of focusing their efforts timely releases, website stability, product support and availability, they give us this...
Two hands are not not enough to facepalm.


I mean, you know it will be completely different teams of people doing this than anything to do with product availability and the like, right?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 10:31:23


Post by: Flinty


 ImAGeek wrote:
 CragHack wrote:
Instead of focusing their efforts timely releases, website stability, product support and availability, they give us this...
Two hands are not not enough to facepalm.


I mean, you know it will be completely different teams of people doing this than anything to do with product availability and the like, right?


Yeah, but arguably, resource is resource. The funds and staff time assigned to this venture could have been assigned to QA and follow through on their core existing business.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 10:33:40


Post by: ImAGeek


 Flinty wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
 CragHack wrote:
Instead of focusing their efforts timely releases, website stability, product support and availability, they give us this...
Two hands are not not enough to facepalm.


I mean, you know it will be completely different teams of people doing this than anything to do with product availability and the like, right?


Yeah, but arguably, resource is resource. The funds and staff time assigned to this venture could have been assigned to QA and follow through on their core existing business.


Funding, sure, but they don’t exactly seem hurting for funding. Staff, well it’s all different skillsets. You can’t necessarily just throw people at every problem if they aren’t SQEP for things.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 10:37:43


Post by: NAVARRO


 ImAGeek wrote:
 Flinty wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
 CragHack wrote:
Instead of focusing their efforts timely releases, website stability, product support and availability, they give us this...
Two hands are not not enough to facepalm.


I mean, you know it will be completely different teams of people doing this than anything to do with product availability and the like, right?


Yeah, but arguably, resource is resource. The funds and staff time assigned to this venture could have been assigned to QA and follow through on their core existing business.


Funding, sure, but they don’t exactly seem hurting for funding. Staff, well it’s all different skillsets. You can’t necessarily just throw people at every problem if they aren’t SQEP for things.


No one is discriminating teams but yourself. Gw is a company of multiple teams thats not news and they do different things thats not new.
Argument was GW as a company does not fix their gak on core stuff we don't need this channel... I believe.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 10:40:09


Post by: ImAGeek


I don’t really think saying that it’s a different skill set or group of people for a VOD streaming service and for ‘timely releases and product availability’ is either discrimination or even controversial, tbh.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 11:18:55


Post by: NAVARRO


 ImAGeek wrote:
I don’t really think saying that it’s a different skill set or group of people for a VOD streaming service and for ‘timely releases and product availability’ is either discrimination or even controversial, tbh.


Maybe I used the wrong word, sorry... Discrimination in the sense of, identifying different teams with different skill sets.
Point was your argument towards someone inability to understand something basic as "different teams do different things" does not address OP comment at all. IMO.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 11:20:39


Post by: General Kroll


 ImAGeek wrote:
I don’t really think saying that it’s a different skill set or group of people for a VOD streaming service and for ‘timely releases and product availability’ is either discrimination or even controversial, tbh.


Yeah, it’s not like they’ve told the engineering manger at the factory “Don’t bother building up that new production line for cursed city, we need you to go and learn how to write tv shows now.”

It’s pretty clear the stock issues are more to do with covid and brexit than they are to do with any staff or investment related issues.

But the same old faces on here don’t want to miss a chance to stick the boot in and criticise GW.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 11:32:57


Post by: NAVARRO


 General Kroll wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
I don’t really think saying that it’s a different skill set or group of people for a VOD streaming service and for ‘timely releases and product availability’ is either discrimination or even controversial, tbh.


Yeah, it’s not like they’ve told the engineering manger at the factory “Don’t bother building up that new production line for cursed city, we need you to go and learn how to write tv shows now.”

It’s pretty clear the stock issues are more to do with covid and brexit than they are to do with any staff or investment related issues.

But the same old faces on here don’t want to miss a chance to stick the boot in and criticise GW.


Sure thing Sherlock, read how you want it. The only old thing here is selectively "missing point".
Boring really.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 11:36:23


Post by: kodos


 General Kroll wrote:

Yeah, it’s not like they’ve told the engineering manger at the factory “Don’t bother building up that new production line for cursed city, we need you to go and learn how to write tv shows now.”
It’s pretty clear the stock issues are more to do with covid and brexit than they are to do with any staff or investment related issues.

it is not about the executing stuff but the management
and yes, the current style at GW is instead of trying to fix a flawed product, which would need additional staff and investment, they introduce new products and hope that people forget about the old things

and the current stock issues are more related to GW changing their management software in the back and either put not enough money, people or time into it so it messed things up

same with the App, the basic idea of replacing digital books with an App that comes with an army builder on top is nice, yet either not enough money, people or time (or all 3) was assigned to the project to get it done within time and changing the release date was not possible

and this combined with the attitude "GW does not make mistakes, but the costumers got it wrong"

by everything what GW has done the last 4 years, I cannot see how this project will work out well (either for the costumers, or for GW)


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 11:41:58


Post by: Overread


The current stock issues are because GW has factories in the UK which has mandated covid-save work practice. That means they can't have as many staff in the warehouse nor in the factory as normal; it means warehouse staff have to move in certain directions around the warehouse; it means that their production, picking, packing and such is all hampered.

At the same time their market demand has skyrocketed.


GW is experiencing lower production output coupled with higher market demand. Not to mention 2 solid months last year where there was no stock produced and customer stripped every 3rd party retail store of pretty much everything there was.


These problems are not something GW could have planned for nor prepared for; it was covid. In fact GW was in line to bring online a new warehouse system and factory this year; both of which are hampered and have issues because of the covid elements.


And GW aren't alone, I know several other firms have had similar issues with supply and have had to close doors at various times to account for the fact that they can't keep up with demand or to change how their limited factory space operates to try and have as many staff whilst keeping them safe and socially distant. I know others had to stop because of supply problems and running out of materials to cast with.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 11:53:25


Post by: NAVARRO


 Overread wrote:

At the same time their market demand has skyrocketed.
.


Has it? Genuinely asking since I haven't read reports or anything.
It would make sense with people locked at home.

Thing is would this Video channel idea expand that? What was the max they had on twitch for free? Rookie numbers?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 11:54:32


Post by: lord_blackfang


GW doubled profits this year and gave 5000 GBP in shares to every employee, they're doing okay.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 11:57:41


Post by: Overread


As Blackfang notes - GW profits are insanely up for this past year. Lots of people locked down and stuck at home in their core market meant a lot of people who had money because they weren't commuting or eating out and such; so they focused on indoorhobbies like GW. IT also meant a lot of people came back to them, older gamers who had drifted away who suddenly had a lot of time to do hobby stuff.

It's a massive market boom which might not be sustainable, but certainly means that GW has weathered the pandemic very well. They also paid all their furlough money from the first lockdown, back to the government and I don't think they've taken any more out since. So they are emerging not only with higher profits, but no debts over their heads.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 12:13:37


Post by: NAVARRO


Got it, thanks for info guys.

Thats a Very positive outcome for GW if you ask me, specially when you see small biz in this industry struggling.
Making this industry more mainstream is a good thing since it needs more people influx to stay relevant.

Makes me think if this channel decision is based on these good results pos lockdown and that Twitch, YouTube etc was just testing the waters and will be terminated.

Like you say not sure if these numbers are something sustainable or reliable under the current covid situation.

Either way good news are good.



Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 12:30:26


Post by: CragHack


 ImAGeek wrote:
 CragHack wrote:
Instead of focusing their efforts timely releases, website stability, product support and availability, they give us this...
Two hands are not not enough to facepalm.


I mean, you know it will be completely different teams of people doing this than anything to do with product availability and the like, right?


Yes, obviously. But why hire people for something new, when you still have issues with your core products. Instead of putting money into some obscure app, put that money into hiring more specialists/gear/whatever else that would get all your problems solved in the first place. But as people stated, GW will never ever admit they have problems.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 12:32:25


Post by: Londinium


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Londinium wrote:
This honestly feels like the first major mistake that GW have made since Rountree took over.
...pardon?


Note the word 'major', not 'minor'. They've made plenty of minor mistakes but nothing that important from a business perspective. Cursed City for example has sent nerds on online forums wild but ultimately isn't that much of a deal looking at the company as a whole.

This has the potential to be a costly flop, especially when we've seen equally niche things such as Castlevania (I'd argue more niche), do fairly well for themselves by going down the more traditional route. Hell obscure stuff like Altered Carbon got a TV series. If GW are just doing this for marketing purposes, it's far too costly for the return if they host it on their own platform, so I suspect they're not. If they're genuinely trying to create a television/movies arm to supplement tabletop, Black Library and video games then they're not going to succeed to any great degree with this model, it's too costly to produce actual quality content and they're a tiny player, they'll need to gain viewers outside of the Warhammer bubble. Best way of achieving that is through production companies who understand the IP and Amazon/Netflix etc. Their now very quiet plans for Eisenhorn are the way to go.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 12:57:27


Post by: Mr Morden


All depends on the content and the price.

I pay for individual films and shows on Prime etc - I would pay to see a whole new series of for instance Astartes. However I really did not like Castlevania so the animated show that looked like that would be of imited interest.

Would I subscribe to a Warhammer channel - not sure...


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 14:41:25


Post by: Sledgehammer


This honestly feels like a terrible business decision. None of these shows will be long enough or good enough to justify subscribing to the service. People are just going to subscribe and watch what they want, then cancel. There isn't enough content backlog, nor is the production cycle quick enough to guarentee a constant stream of new content. It's just a bad decision.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 14:48:16


Post by: Overread


What if its £10 per 3 months or 6 months?


We've assumed its a monthly thing, but it could easily be a different payment system for a subscriber system.

We also have to consider that value for money depends on us knowing what they'll charge. Right now we've no idea.





Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 15:20:00


Post by: CMLR


Why would I pay, lets say, $15 if I could play, for example, WoW on a 6 month plan, that saves me ~$12?

I have never seen GW giving you discount vouchers in WD, and only seen bonuses like the rare mini or codes for games in Steam that most likely you already have.

If anything, just release the products as a video anthology on Blu-ray/Digital.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 15:25:52


Post by: Danny76


 Overread wrote:
What if its £10 per 3 months or 6 months?


We've assumed its a monthly thing, but it could easily be a different payment system for a subscriber system.

We also have to consider that value for money depends on us knowing what they'll charge. Right now we've no idea.





Yeah or like the yearly Prime sub.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 19:53:55


Post by: chaos0xomega


Voss wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Animation is a great medium for Warhammer as opposed to live action because it's cheaper to produce and they can do a lot more with it.

Not if you want quality animation. Which...did show imo


Yeah, based on some numbers I've seen recently, a 22 minute animated episode is about $880,000*. And takes about a year or so from start to finish (a series will overlap in various stages of production as it moves from one team to another).

*going off what the animated Critical Role episodes are costing, by the same studio (Titmouse) that did Venture Brothers, ST: Lower Decks, and a bunch of other stuff.


The Clone Wars had an average budget of about $1 million per episode (IIRC a few episodes hit $1.5 million), supposedly Rebels and Bad Batch are in the same range. Not sure how Critical Role is being done, but it could be that 3d animated cost a bit more than 2d (ala Venture Bros and Lower Decks).

GW has an absurd number of shows in production at once for some reason, so they're going all in on this. (Probably about 60 million for these eleven shows assuming about 110 minutes each (either as 5 22 minute episodes or a single long feature). Now some of these probably won't cost as much because the animation style and quality varies pretty wildly. But their own 'bespoke' service is going to cost a pretty penny, too.


I can't imagine that being the case, given GWs revenues, profits, cash-on-hand, and complete lack of debt theres no way they put that much money into it (then again its taken 2 or 3 years now for us to get to release since some of this stuff was announced? Entirely possible that they spread the cost over that time.

Then again, I think part of GWs strategy with gobbling up the youtube animators is to drive down costs while bulking out its initial launch roster. Astartes was getting by on a $240k/yr budget as a side project, dunno if that was a one man show or if there was a small team, but entirely possible they worked out a deal to make astartes a full time job that will generate however many hours of content for a fraction of the price of what more established studios are doing.

Finally got around to watching the Angels of Death preview- uh, huh. Not sure the color thing isn't a cost-cutting measure rather than 'artistic vision.' The lip sync is definitely terrible. A reasonable and friendly chaplain is just _weird_. As is a captain and deathwatch veteran as a twitchy little ferret.


I dont see how it would be a cost cutting measure. You only have to add the colors/textures/effects to a model once and then it renders through into every scene the model is used in - adding the color is relatively quick and easy - it wouldn't have really taken them any more time than it already has to color in the models in the monochrome pallet they used. It could be that the additional colors were more taxing on the render though, I haven't played around with color in my rendering work to know if that makes a difference or not, in which case it was probably more of a "time" thing than a "cost" thing.

But still, burying it behind their own little wall makes no sense to me. They don't have enough, and nothing jumps out as worth making an effort for. Sticking to their existing audience rather than reaching out just seems backwards.


I mean, the dozen or so programs they've announced so far is quite a bit, and we know they have more programs which they haven't announced yet (because they told us so). They haven't really even given us a clue as to what format this content is going to take, be it animated 2-5 minute shorts, full length 20-30 minute episodes, or film length features, etc. We dont know runtimes, episode counts, or really much of anything. We'll have to see what the full scope of the content slate is on June 23rd. That being said, I don't entirely disagree - a tv show or film is marketing for the IP, but marketing which is potentially profit-generating in and of itself (vs something like a web ad which only costs you money and is reliant on sales generation to return value to the advertiser, etc.). It seems wasteful to gate this content behind a paywall that only existing fans will be interested in purchasing access to, theres no broader market or outside interest to capture that way, unless the warhammer + platform is being piggybacked as a "channel" type affair within someone elses streaming service.

To be honest, piggybacking seems almost guaranteed, the network and content delivery infrastructure to operate a streaming service isn't cheap and requires a lot of technical knowledge to set up, operate, and maintain. I doubt GW just signed a contract with Fastly or Cloudflare or AWS or whatever and added a handful of staff to its in-house IT department and did it all on their own. A partnership with Amazon Prime or Disney+ (especially Disney+) seems more likely and this could simply be a "phase 1" type approach to get big bucks investment from one of the bigger platforms (i.e. GW self funds the initial slate of programming as a proof of concept to get data on subscriber/viewership counts and what sort of value GWs IP brings to the table - if it crosses whatever threshold then Amazon/Disney/HBO/Netflix, etc. ponies up a billion dollar investment into producing a live action Eisenhorn series or whatever under terms more favorable to GW than if they had simply sold the licensing rights).

They can afford a risky failure.


Yep, the companies profit margins are obscene (something like 42.5%), they have little to no debt and has something like 100 million GBP in cash in the bank. This entire endeavor could be a massive bust and it wouldn't hurt GWs financial health in any appreciable way. They have everything to gain from this and nothing to lose.



Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 20:14:26


Post by: Mentlegen324


Just noticed the part about "Exclusive miniatures" coming with this. I really don't like the idea of special miniatures you have to pay for being locked behind another paywall, ones for events and such are more like a special commemerative thing so aren't too bad, but having them only available via a paid subscription doesn't sound good if that's what happens with it.

Voss wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Animation is a great medium for Warhammer as opposed to live action because it's cheaper to produce and they can do a lot more with it.

Not if you want quality animation. Which...did show imo


GW has an absurd number of shows in production at once for some reason, so they're going all in on this. (Probably about 60 million for these eleven shows assuming about 110 minutes each (either as 5 22 minute episodes or a single long feature). Now some of these probably won't cost as much because the animation style and quality varies pretty wildly. But their own 'bespoke' service is going to cost a pretty penny, too.



Aren't a significant portion of these pretty much fan projects that have just been made official, though?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 20:17:28


Post by: chaos0xomega


 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Just noticed the part about "Exclusive miniatures" coming with this. I really don't like the idea of special miniatures you have to pay for being locked behind another paywall, ones for events and such are more like a special commemerative thing so aren't too bad, but having them only available via a paid subscription doesn't sound good if that's what happens with it.


Huh? I haven't seen anything said about exclusive miniatures coming, other than fan speculation.

I hope I don't need to explain to you that just because a fan speculated about it doesn't mean that its true, and you don't have to concern yourself with this until GW officially announces something.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 20:20:10


Post by: Mentlegen324


chaos0xomega wrote:
 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Just noticed the part about "Exclusive miniatures" coming with this. I really don't like the idea of special miniatures you have to pay for being locked behind another paywall, ones for events and such are more like a special commemerative thing so aren't too bad, but having them only available via a paid subscription doesn't sound good if that's what happens with it.


Huh? I haven't seen anything said about exclusive miniatures coming, other than fan speculation.

I hope I don't need to explain to you that just because a fan speculated about it doesn't mean that its true, and you don't have to concern yourself with this until GW officially announces something.


But they have officially announced it? I'm looking at an article on their page with it.

Warhammer+ will be an exciting new way to interact with the worlds of Warhammer.

Animations are just the start. There’s a whole heap of stuff coming, from more exclusive content to special-access areas, and dedicated offers and rewards. There might even be some exclusive miniatures in the offing…

Keep checking back for more information and join us on the 23rd of June for the full reveal.


https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-animation/

The date for the article when it shows up in the search says it was posted back in march and there is no preview picture (it's just a black box), which seems a bit strange?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 20:21:43


Post by: Albertorius


"There might even be miniatures" is most certainly not announcing anything, and especially not as a part of the service.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 20:24:57


Post by: Mentlegen324


 Albertorius wrote:
"There might even be miniatures" is most certainly not announcing anything, and especially not as a part of the service.


In a paragraph discussing Warhammer+ and hinting at what it will involve, how is saying there might be exclusive miniatures as part of it not an announcement that Warhammer+ is getting exclusive miniatures?

It's not an announcement in the sense of "Here's a big preview article!", but it' still GW telling us exclusive miniatures are part of what's coming with it.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 20:25:22


Post by: Mr Morden


 Albertorius wrote:
"There might even be miniatures" is most certainly not announcing anything, and especially not as a part of the service.


Its not imposible - they are already doing exclusive minis for other reasons at hugely inflated prices even over the OP prices of the standard character models.

Again happy to see what they offer and at what price.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 20:32:20


Post by: Old-Four-Arms


Jes Goodwin did a full conceptual sketch for Livia Sorken, so I hope she becomes a mini one day :

https://www.miniwars.eu/2019/08/mas-detalles-de-angels-of-death-la.html

That being said, I would hate to have it locked behind a Warhammer+ subscription...


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 21:05:08


Post by: chaos0xomega


weird, haven't seen that page before. Theres no mention of it on the actual page for the preview: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/22/warhammer-animation-preview-online-watch-the-first-five-minutes-of-angels-of-death/

In any case, guess I was wrong - we'll have to see what happens I suppose


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 21:07:40


Post by: Danny76


 Mentlegen324 wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
"There might even be miniatures" is most certainly not announcing anything, and especially not as a part of the service.


In a paragraph discussing Warhammer+ and hinting at what it will involve, how is saying there might be exclusive miniatures as part of it not an announcement that Warhammer+ is getting exclusive miniatures?

It's not an announcement in the sense of "Here's a big preview article!", but it' still GW telling us exclusive miniatures are part of what's coming with it.


Indeed. There is a 100% chance of miniature (maybe plural).
As he says there’s no way they’d put it in the article otherwise.

In fact look back at GW articles in general.
They often put those “maybe this” “could even that” etc. Teases in there.
That sort of maybe you’ll see this, with a grin and a wink.



Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 21:10:31


Post by: Flinty


It’ll be a primaris lieutenant based on Astartes, obviously


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 21:21:44


Post by: warboss


 Mentlegen324 wrote:

But they have officially announced it? I'm looking at an article on their page with it.

Warhammer+ will be an exciting new way to interact with the worlds of Warhammer.

Animations are just the start. There’s a whole heap of stuff coming, from more exclusive content to special-access areas, and dedicated offers and rewards. There might even be some exclusive miniatures in the offing…

Keep checking back for more information and join us on the 23rd of June for the full reveal.


https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-animation/

The date for the article when it shows up in the search says it was posted back in march and there is no preview picture (it's just a black box), which seems a bit strange?


Is offing British slang for offering? As in available to purchase? So if you pay for the subscription service you may get the opportunity to pay them more for a mini?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 21:24:11


Post by: Londinium


 Albertorius wrote:
"There might even be miniatures" is most certainly not announcing anything, and especially not as a part of the service.


There's no chance they'd put out that hint if miniatures weren't being lined up. People online would go mental if there was a heavy hint at miniatures and then nothing was provided. Look at the ongoing Cursed City saga and people squabbling about whether it was a limited release or not, why GW marketed it in the way they did etc.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 21:27:03


Post by: Albertorius


As far as I know, "in the offing" means "possible to happen", so kinda redundant, but not particularly related to "as part of the subscription".

I mean, Fw is already offering miniatures of some of their characters, so more of that is certainly a possibility.

I just don't think it's particularly likely that it's as a part of a subscription of a new on-demand video channel. Mainly because they might want to sell them separately for money.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 21:27:45


Post by: Cronch


 warboss wrote:
 Mentlegen324 wrote:

But they have officially announced it? I'm looking at an article on their page with it.

Warhammer+ will be an exciting new way to interact with the worlds of Warhammer.

Animations are just the start. There’s a whole heap of stuff coming, from more exclusive content to special-access areas, and dedicated offers and rewards. There might even be some exclusive miniatures in the offing…

Keep checking back for more information and join us on the 23rd of June for the full reveal.


https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-animation/

The date for the article when it shows up in the search says it was posted back in march and there is no preview picture (it's just a black box), which seems a bit strange?


Is offing British slang for offering? As in available to purchase? So if you pay for the subscription service you may get the opportunity to pay them more for a mini?

Isn't this the same way they handle their store promotion merch? You spend X amount and you can buy their backpacks and such?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 21:29:13


Post by: Albertorius


 Londinium wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
"There might even be miniatures" is most certainly not announcing anything, and especially not as a part of the service.


There's no chance they'd put out that hint if miniatures weren't being lined up. People online would go mental if there was a heavy hint at miniatures and then nothing was provided. Look at the ongoing Cursed City saga and people squabbling about whether it was a limited release or not, why GW marketed it in the way they did etc.


"Miniatures of the series"? Sure
"Miniatures of the series as a part of the subscription"? I don't really expect that to be the case. But I guess we'll see.

In any case, announcement? Most certainly not.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 21:42:13


Post by: Mentlegen324


 Albertorius wrote:
As far as I know, "in the offing" means "possible to happen", so kinda redundant, but not particularly related to "as part of the subscription".

I mean, Fw is already offering miniatures of some of their characters, so more of that is certainly a possibility.

I just don't think it's particularly likely that it's as a part of a subscription of a new on-demand video channel. Mainly because they might want to sell them separately for money.


 Albertorius wrote:
 Londinium wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
"There might even be miniatures" is most certainly not announcing anything, and especially not as a part of the service.


There's no chance they'd put out that hint if miniatures weren't being lined up. People online would go mental if there was a heavy hint at miniatures and then nothing was provided. Look at the ongoing Cursed City saga and people squabbling about whether it was a limited release or not, why GW marketed it in the way they did etc.


"Miniatures of the series"? Sure
"Miniatures of the series as a part of the subscription"? I don't really expect that to be the case. But I guess we'll see.

In any case, announcement? Most certainly not.


It's an article discussing Warhammer+ and what is going to be part of that, and wthin that article they mention there might be exclusive miniatures. They would not tease that if there weren't going to be exclusive miniatures as part of it as it would be absurd for them to go "There aren't really any, we only said might!" and have that line be there for absolutely no purpose other than annoying customers with false hope.

The article, and especially that sentance that mentions the miniatures, is not about the animations themselves, it's not the right context at all for them to be referring to miniatures from the animations. It's specifically about Warhammer+ and what that will involve. The miniatures mention is preceded by mentions of "exclusive content to special-access areas, and dedicated offers and rewards" irregardless of the animations.

It's baffling if you think that something mentioned by GW as part of an article on their site telling us about an upcoming product doesn't count as them announcing that information to us.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 22:24:30


Post by: Albertorius


Sure buddy, sure. Maybe take it down a notch, time will tell. I'm sure we all can wait for them to announce the minis that will be part of the subscription, if any.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 22:28:53


Post by: Mentlegen324


 Albertorius wrote:
Sure buddy, sure. Maybe take it down a notch, time will tell. I'm sure we all can wait for them to announce the minis that will be part of the subscription, if any.


I really just don't get why you think that GW aren't telling us the truth when they say that their new Warhammer+ service will involve exclusive miniatures...


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 23:15:28


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


I mean, surely, if they didn't plan to include any exclusive miniature they would simply not say anything about the possibility of exclusive miniatures?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 23:18:58


Post by: Danny76


Also, what’s the argument, that there won’t be miniatures?
It is basically given that there will be from the article.
That they will be part of the sub or not? Who knows. But the obvious would be that subbing allows you to purchase the £30 model or whatever, I don’t think anyone is under the illusion that it’ll be minis given out every so often etc.
(At most, buy the year sub instead of monthly, and maybe you’d get a mini.)
But I think similar to WD and such, it just unlocks the ability to purchase the models or something, more likely to get subs if it’s the only way to get exclusives.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 23:25:19


Post by: Kanluwen


I don't think, personally, that there would be a subscription plan in play that allows for you to get a model.

It would make it so that you could not allow for people who do prepaid cards or the like to get them, since it would require a billing+shipping address for a digital service.

At best, I do think there will be a MTO or "special launch window" model tied to some of these series.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 23:50:25


Post by: Mentlegen324


 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't think, personally, that there would be a subscription plan in play that allows for you to get a model.

It would make it so that you could not allow for people who do prepaid cards or the like to get them, since it would require a billing+shipping address for a digital service.

At best, I do think there will be a MTO or "special launch window" model tied to some of these series.


The problem with this though is that they use the term "exclusive" to describe both this miniature stuff and the other content, which in this context implies it's meaning things will be exclusive to the use of the app, so not just a special miniature that'll be available to celebrate the launch or something like that.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/23 23:59:12


Post by: GaroRobe


If there are models, I'm guessing they'll be themed from whatever the animation is. So maybe we'll have canon Retributors.



Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 00:02:24


Post by: Voss


 GaroRobe wrote:
If there are models, I'm guessing they'll be themed from whatever the animation is. So maybe we'll have canon Retributors.


?
I'm pretty sure the Retributor squad kit makes 'canon' Retributors. I'm not sure what a 'non-canon' model would involve, though, so I'm pretty out at sea on what this is in reference to.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 00:14:02


Post by: Overread


I just hope GW thinks a tiny bit outside the Imperial box with limited edition models. I can see it ending up a bit like BL in that it default ends up with a lot of Imperials and Marines and perhaps one token character from each Xenos and nothing from the Tyranids, but they might get a cultist.

Otherwise I'm all for TV show model tie-ins and such. I'd like it more so if they are at least medium term or print on demand models and such - ergo that people have a healthy chance to get them.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 00:19:58


Post by: Voss


. I'd like it more so if they are at least medium term or print on demand models and such - ergo that people have a healthy chance to get them.

I don't think there's much chance of starting that now. Why would they bother?

If anything, the instant sales of the overpriced Cursed City sprue tells them they need to be even more limited with their products.
And they've just kicked off two more 'exciting new models' that they aren't going to sell with wide availability or a healthy chance to get them.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 00:27:53


Post by: Overread


Well the Cursed City Sprue isn't a one time deal, its direct only but its at least medium if not long term. Most likely its direct only because GW was intending to tell them through Cursed City (which for whatever reason is now a shelved project) and thus didn't have any orders of boxes to put them in for display.

So GW is direct ordering them only because direct orders go in unmarked white boxes.

I would expect to see regular colour boxes for them appear at some point in the future. Though not for many months as if we assume CC being cancelled was very last moment, then any order for colour boxes will only have just gone through and thus will take months to ship from overseas factories.



Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 00:30:01


Post by: CMLR


Just remember: being too optimistic can be a toxic behaviour too, and pesimism and realism are not as similar as some people might like to think.

I am going to be the first one to join the wagon if they bring with it something juicy with the sub, because I can expect them to charge a ridiculous price, but lets say, they offer you a reprinted Indomitus Crusade box, well, that changes things.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 00:38:24


Post by: Voss


 Overread wrote:
Well the Cursed City Sprue isn't a one time deal, its direct only but its at least medium if not long term.


Not my point. I was merely observing that it sold out in less than a day, despite costing most of the price of the full box, despite having... 40? less models than the box did. That's a huge price hike, but didn't keep it from selling out. Hence, limited supply is an effective sales tactic.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 01:01:46


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Voss wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Retributor squad kit makes 'canon' Retributors. I'm not sure what a 'non-canon' model would involve, though, so I'm pretty out at sea on what this is in reference to.
Come back to land, then.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 01:16:03


Post by: chaos0xomega


Look guys, the wording says there will be exclusive miniatures we should take that at face value and understand that to mean that there is a high probability that when they say that they mean miniatures which are available exclusively to subscribers.

That doesn't mean that GW didn't misspeak and mean something else (perhaps miniatures based on the animations, or early access to their minis, etc.), but those are less direct interpretations of the term/phrase in question.

Wait and see as to what it ends up being, the reasonable stance to take here is to expect them to be exclusive to subscribers but understand there is a possibility of it being something else instead.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 10:06:49


Post by: NinthMusketeer


I seriously doubt the subscription will be anywhere near the price of an event ticket or scalper charge, so any minis exclusive to this would still be less exclusive than event miniatures. And I'm cool with GW offering some collector's items here and there, so long as they keep to the trend of not giving them special-access rules.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 10:11:19


Post by: Overread


Lets face it, within 5 mins of GW creating a new hero on the big screen (or home screen); people would be converting and asking for custom models and the 3rd party market will be rushing to make them. GW doing them directly makes a lot of sense and doing them up front instead of after years (as tend to happen with characters like Eisenhorn and such) just means GW is a touch ahead of the demand than normal.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 11:06:48


Post by: Voss


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Voss wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Retributor squad kit makes 'canon' Retributors. I'm not sure what a 'non-canon' model would involve, though, so I'm pretty out at sea on what this is in reference to.
Come back to land, then.


Oh. Just another demand for chapter whomever #567 to have shoulder pads.

I was thinking of Sisters Retributor squads, not the latest Blood Ravens equivalent or whatever.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 11:19:03


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Voss wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Voss wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Retributor squad kit makes 'canon' Retributors. I'm not sure what a 'non-canon' model would involve, though, so I'm pretty out at sea on what this is in reference to.
Come back to land, then.


Oh. Just another demand for chapter whomever #567 to have shoulder pads.

I was thinking of Sisters Retributor squads, not the latest Blood Ravens equivalent or whatever.


You mean the chapter that's the protagonists of Astartes? The beloved series that introduced presumably thousands to Warhammer? The one whose even reuploads have millions of views? This chapter whomever?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 11:21:49


Post by: Cronch


Yes, that chapter no-name. Just 3Dprint a shoulder pad,how hard can it be


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 11:28:03


Post by: beast_gts


Voss wrote:
Oh. Just another demand for chapter whomever #567 to have shoulder pads.


They're already available - Syama Pedersen licenced the design to Kromlech.
Spoiler:


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 11:35:06


Post by: ImAGeek


beast_gts wrote:
Voss wrote:
Oh. Just another demand for chapter whomever #567 to have shoulder pads.


They're already available - Syama Pedersen licenced the design to Kromlech.
Spoiler:


I doubt that will last now his animations are part of GW though.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 11:55:23


Post by: Hanskrampf


 ImAGeek wrote:
beast_gts wrote:
Voss wrote:
Oh. Just another demand for chapter whomever #567 to have shoulder pads.


They're already available - Syama Pedersen licenced the design to Kromlech.
Spoiler:


I doubt that will last now his animations are part of GW though.

That really depends if he sold the design. Nothing GW can do about that, it's a custom logo.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 14:17:31


Post by: chaos0xomega


This is where IP law gets messy - depending on what the terms on Syama's license to Kromlech were, GW probably can't legally produce those shoulder pads without getting sued by Kromlech.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 17:15:11


Post by: Danny76


Oh my god that’s it.
Exclusive thing to subscribers - it’s Cursed City


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 18:13:33


Post by: Fayric


Trying to bate customers with GWs famous "exclusive" models sounds weird to me. Suppose they tried sweeten the deal with something worth while, like promising they do a gritty Gotrek and Felix cronicles instead, or saying they bought the rights for Judge Dread or Elric of Melnibone.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 18:15:11


Post by: beast_gts


 Fayric wrote:
Trying to bate customers with GWs famous "exclusive" models sounds weird to me. Suppose they tried sweeten the deal with something worth while, like promising they do a gritty Gotrek and Felix cronicles instead, or saying they bought the rights for Judge Dread or Elric of Melnibone.

Models cost them pennies - another series (or licence) could run to several million.
I could see them doing Gotrek and Felix as a Hammer and Bolter episode to see how well it goes down...


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 18:44:53


Post by: Danny76


Man G&F series would be awesome.
But I’d fear it’d just a Gotrek and the new one series.
Good as they might be, not got to them yet, it’s no Felix.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 19:12:52


Post by: Blacksteel


They are calling it "Warhammer+" so it seems likely it will be more than just animated shows. There could easily be multiple tiers to it as well. They have a 40K rules app now, they have a Sigmar app now, add in a Black Library subscription as others have pointed out and possibly a digital White Dwarf sub and you might have something. A lot of it will depend on cost of course by they have enough digital content floating around that bundling it up makes some sense.

That said I would swear it's been well over a year since they showed us "Angels of Death" - January 2020 looks like. That seems like a daman long lead time for 100 minutes of animation that was presumably already underway.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 19:34:47


Post by: beast_gts


 Blacksteel wrote:
That said I would swear it's been well over a year since they showed us "Angels of Death" - January 2020 looks like. That seems like a daman long lead time for 100 minutes of animation that was presumably already underway.

Longer than that - this WarCom article is from 29 Aug 19.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 19:48:24


Post by: chaos0xomega


Its possible Angels of Death is a lot more content than we realized...? Like a 20+ episode season of 1 hour episodes?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 19:50:49


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


chaos0xomega wrote:
Its possible Angels of Death is a lot more content than we realized...? Like a 20+ episode season of 1 hour episodes?


In that case it'll either look like a very bad and rushed PS1 cutscene or it'll consist of two guys running around with plastic cut-outs making voices, since GW doesn't remotely have the budget to make 20+ hours of any other kind of animation.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 20:23:06


Post by: techsoldaten


Ahem.

We can probably look at what GW has done historically to predict what will appear on Warhammer+.

They take another franchise (historical / sci-fi, commercially successful) and incorporate a close cousin into the lore behind their games. Tolkien, Dune, Aliens, 2000AD, etc, it's not hard to see the influence.

If history is any indicator, GW aspires to incorporate existing digital content into Warhammer+. They're already doing it with animation, it makes sense they would do it with other digital video content.

The existing digital video space for GW content consists of:

- Batreps
- Painting Tutorials
- "Podcasts" talking about the game
- Video Game coverage
- Cosplay

My guess is they talk to MWG, Tabletop Tactics, Striking Scorpion, Deployment Zone TV, and whoever else gets the most traffic on YouTube. They offer distribution / revenue in exchange for producing batreps exclusive on the service. That costs them very little, gains them personalities with an existing audience all while eliminating no-cost competition.

To launch a paid streaming service, GW will have to pull subscribers away from "free" channels on digital platforms. The only way a paid streaming service grows is if it offers better value than what you can get off YouTube, and people get value lots of ways. GW will try painting videos, product intros, interviews with tournament winners, etc, anything they can do to pull people in. Ideally, they starve out other creators and become the only option for this kind of content.

My prediction is a service like this will fail, they will alienate creators who will leave and take their audiences with them. Currently, I subscribe to the channels listed above (plus others) because I want them to succeed as people who just enjoy the hobby. Not sure how I would feel about paying a company that sells me hobby products charging me for a streaming channel about said hobby. It's not coming from the right place, reminds me too much of Disney.

The other thing is product placement. The first time I saw a product intro video where a paid GW personality drools over a model that's actually not very good, I'm going to question that person's sincerity and eventually lose interest in what he has to say. Part of why I like the no-cost content is the sense I'm getting an unbiased opinion by someone who focuses critically on the game.

That said, GW is welcome to try. I just question whether they can capture the audience the same way other personalities have. Entertainment and Streaming Services are different business models than GW has done in the past. Looking at annual reports, it's clear GW operates a very lean and efficient business. Streaming Services tend to have as many failures as they have successes. Entertainment, in general, generates a lot of criticism, which can affect product sales. My concern is trying to do this under one roof might be hard, and I'll be watching for signs that there's a problem.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 22:14:40


Post by: chaos0xomega


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Its possible Angels of Death is a lot more content than we realized...? Like a 20+ episode season of 1 hour episodes?


In that case it'll either look like a very bad and rushed PS1 cutscene or it'll consist of two guys running around with plastic cut-outs making voices, since GW doesn't remotely have the budget to make 20+ hours of any other kind of animation.


Theyve been working on it for at least 3 years, thats plenty of time for them to produce 20 hours of content - especially one that honestly isn't all that visually complex.



Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 22:25:56


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Voss wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Voss wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Retributor squad kit makes 'canon' Retributors. I'm not sure what a 'non-canon' model would involve, though, so I'm pretty out at sea on what this is in reference to.
Come back to land, then.


Oh. Just another demand for chapter whomever #567 to have shoulder pads.

I was thinking of Sisters Retributor squads, not the latest Blood Ravens equivalent or whatever.
I know you were thinking SoB Retributors. You didn't realise they were talking about the Chapter from Astartes, which I what I linked to.



Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 22:35:56


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


chaos0xomega wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Its possible Angels of Death is a lot more content than we realized...? Like a 20+ episode season of 1 hour episodes?


In that case it'll either look like a very bad and rushed PS1 cutscene or it'll consist of two guys running around with plastic cut-outs making voices, since GW doesn't remotely have the budget to make 20+ hours of any other kind of animation.


Theyve been working on it for at least 3 years, thats plenty of time for them to produce 20 hours of content - especially one that honestly isn't all that visually complex.


I feel like you're overestimating GW's capabilities to produce things that look good.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 22:37:58


Post by: Voss


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Voss wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Voss wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Retributor squad kit makes 'canon' Retributors. I'm not sure what a 'non-canon' model would involve, though, so I'm pretty out at sea on what this is in reference to.
Come back to land, then.


Oh. Just another demand for chapter whomever #567 to have shoulder pads.

I was thinking of Sisters Retributor squads, not the latest Blood Ravens equivalent or whatever.
I know you were thinking SoB Retributors. You didn't realise they were talking about the Chapter from Astartes, which I what I linked to.


Yep. That's why I responded to your clarification with 'a demand for chapter whomever #567 to have shoulderpads.'
I'm not sure why you're repeating it now.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/24 23:26:07


Post by: chaos0xomega


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Its possible Angels of Death is a lot more content than we realized...? Like a 20+ episode season of 1 hour episodes?


In that case it'll either look like a very bad and rushed PS1 cutscene or it'll consist of two guys running around with plastic cut-outs making voices, since GW doesn't remotely have the budget to make 20+ hours of any other kind of animation.


Theyve been working on it for at least 3 years, thats plenty of time for them to produce 20 hours of content - especially one that honestly isn't all that visually complex.


I feel like you're overestimating GW's capabilities to produce things that look good.


How so? When I said "especially one that honestly isn't all that visually complex" I thought I was pretty clearly being polite in implying that it didn't look good.

But my statement wasn't really about looking good to begin with, it was about having a lot of time to produce a lot of episodes of content.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/25 00:08:33


Post by: Togusa


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Its possible Angels of Death is a lot more content than we realized...? Like a 20+ episode season of 1 hour episodes?


In that case it'll either look like a very bad and rushed PS1 cutscene or it'll consist of two guys running around with plastic cut-outs making voices, since GW doesn't remotely have the budget to make 20+ hours of any other kind of animation.


Theyve been working on it for at least 3 years, thats plenty of time for them to produce 20 hours of content - especially one that honestly isn't all that visually complex.


I feel like you're overestimating GW's capabilities to produce things that look good.


I don't really follow. I mean they have a massive catalogue of amazing looking models, literally thousands of pages of incredible art, going back 30+ years. There is not a single company that can compete with them in terms of model quality in my opinion, even the stuff from the KD line isn't anywhere near the level of modeling quality that they produce. In terms of CG, I liked the old Ultramarines movie a lot. I watched it again recently and it really holds up quite well both in terms of animation and art, though I don't know if GW produced the art for that or if they hired an independent company? I know they hired the Astartes guy and people went nuts over that, I think they also partnered with the Death of Hope team as well?

Whatever happened to that Inquistor show that the guy from Ubisoft had been working on, I checked his Youtube and it's been dead for a couple of years in terms of updates?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/25 01:10:19


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Voss wrote:
Yep. That's why I responded to your clarification with 'a demand for chapter whomever #567 to have shoulderpads.'
I'm not sure why you're repeating it now.
Sorry, it didn't seem like you got it and thought I was just referencing some random Chapter rather than the Chapter from that series.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/25 02:34:18


Post by: shadowsfm


I been wondering about death if hope and lord inquisitor also


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/25 04:39:13


Post by: ImAGeek


chaos0xomega wrote:
Its possible Angels of Death is a lot more content than we realized...? Like a 20+ episode season of 1 hour episodes?


No, they mentioned the format of it on the stream. I can’t remember how many episodes they said but it wasn’t as many as 20 and they’re around 10 minutes each.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/25 08:14:37


Post by: StraightSilver


Angels of Death is 10 episodes at 10 minutes each

So total run time = 100 minutes


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/25 10:20:54


Post by: Eiríkr


GW have recently hired in a new face for their Twitch programming, they're looking to push that forwards in the near future. We'll see him appearing in their videos soon. I'd be willing to bet that they're looking to bundle all of these services up together, somehow, including their YouTube channel, for one comprehensive Warhammer digitial resource.

Whether or not it'll work is another thing...


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/25 10:24:26


Post by: AngryAngel80


Amazing I couldn't be less excited. To be offered the chance to pay GW more money over the already gobsmacking sum they charge for models and churn and burn rules bloat. Yeah a hard pass my life goes on just fine without this and I expect it will continue to do so.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/25 10:27:59


Post by: kodos


with twitch becoming more of a softporno hosting site I can see why GW wants to get away from it and why bundling all of their digital content into one service is a good idea

yet having all their content behind a paywall might be not


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/25 10:40:41


Post by: Ian Sturrock


I think the issue is going to be a relative lack of content. With only 100 minutes of time in their flagship show (Angels of Death), why do I want to sub for more than one month a year? Assuming they have say 20 shows, or 2000 minutes of total viewing content... well, I'm probably only super interested in a bit more than half of that, say 1200 minutes / 20 hours. I can watch that in a month pretty easily. It would barely even be binge-watching. Why would I stick around for month #2?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/25 10:42:09


Post by: Slipspace


 techsoldaten wrote:
Ahem.

We can probably look at what GW has done historically to predict what will appear on Warhammer+.

They take another franchise (historical / sci-fi, commercially successful) and incorporate a close cousin into the lore behind their games. Tolkien, Dune, Aliens, 2000AD, etc, it's not hard to see the influence.

If history is any indicator, GW aspires to incorporate existing digital content into Warhammer+. They're already doing it with animation, it makes sense they would do it with other digital video content.

The existing digital video space for GW content consists of:

- Batreps
- Painting Tutorials
- "Podcasts" talking about the game
- Video Game coverage
- Cosplay

My guess is they talk to MWG, Tabletop Tactics, Striking Scorpion, Deployment Zone TV, and whoever else gets the most traffic on YouTube. They offer distribution / revenue in exchange for producing batreps exclusive on the service. That costs them very little, gains them personalities with an existing audience all while eliminating no-cost competition.


I think the problem with that is all those things listed are currently available for free on YT/Twitch. Alternatively, if you're specifically interested in one of those areas over another, there are a lot of channels that provide extra content for paid subscribers and you get exactly what you want without ending up with a bunch of extra content you're not interested in.

If GW did try to pull some of those existing creators into the fold I think the best thing any of them could do would be to refuse. If any went with GW it would just increase the market share of the ones who stayed on YT or their own paid sites. TTT, for example, already somehow manage to pay 5.5 full-time staff so they don't seem to need the financial security of a salaried position at GW and the risk of alienating and losing your audience seems pretty high if you go all-in with GW's streaming service and GW then pulls the plug.

I'd have to agree with your prediction that such a service would fail.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/25 10:43:58


Post by: Overread


Again all our worries about value for service really need us to know what's on the service in full and what the prices are. We don't really know either fact right now so predicting good or bad is nearly impossible.

All we know is that the service is coming. If anything I think one issue this highlights is that GW hasn't had a reliable timeframe or estimations of a tim eframe on any of this and have drip fed details for a long time. It's perhaps a good show of why GW doesn't typically preview things so early to us, because when they can't give a time frame and when they can't give enough details it just leads to people chasing down discussion rabbit holes which get forever further and further from the limited info we get. Be they good or bad conclusions they are based on so little information that they are unreliable and yet they form a core part of peoples early impressions.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/25 11:01:14


Post by: AngryAngel80


It's GW I can read in the bones the price will be either insane, or feel like a steal while you get bare minimum effort making the " deal " actually be them bending you over in the end. Just one clowns opinion but we will see.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/25 11:26:54


Post by: Overread


If you're reading signs about GW in bones you're doing it wrong. You gotta read the signs in the sprues!!


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/25 11:36:12


Post by: kodos


we read it in plastic bones in sprues, and those are breaking


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/25 15:20:21


Post by: techsoldaten


Slipspace wrote:
 techsoldaten wrote:
My guess is they talk to MWG, Tabletop Tactics, Striking Scorpion, Deployment Zone TV, and whoever else gets the most traffic on YouTube. They offer distribution / revenue in exchange for producing batreps exclusive on the service. That costs them very little, gains them personalities with an existing audience all while eliminating no-cost competition.


I think the problem with that is all those things listed are currently available for free on YT/Twitch. Alternatively, if you're specifically interested in one of those areas over another, there are a lot of channels that provide extra content for paid subscribers and you get exactly what you want without ending up with a bunch of extra content you're not interested in.

If GW did try to pull some of those existing creators into the fold I think the best thing any of them could do would be to refuse. If any went with GW it would just increase the market share of the ones who stayed on YT or their own paid sites. TTT, for example, already somehow manage to pay 5.5 full-time staff so they don't seem to need the financial security of a salaried position at GW and the risk of alienating and losing your audience seems pretty high if you go all-in with GW's streaming service and GW then pulls the plug.

I'd have to agree with your prediction that such a service would fail.


Not sure I agree a decision to pass is optimal.

Those creators would be wise to consider the Matthew Effect and Pareto Distributions. They apply in any digital context.

GW is looking to enter the streaming content space with a paid service, their natural competition is existing batrep / painting channels. GW currently markets through these channels by giving them early access to new books, but each of these channels offers a paid option that's being diverted from what could be going to Warhammer+ instead. The actual revenue earned by these channels is likely marginal, what matters most for Warhammer+ audience growth is being perceived as "the best." They don't want to be charging for something a customer could get elsewhere for free, and they don't want anyone with a decent sized audience sending anything less than an enthusiastic message about a service they're trying to grow.

I listed 4 channels. Each has a different sized audience and offers serialized content on a regular schedule. For the sake of discussion, let's call them #1 - #4.

#1 gets the most traffic currently and generates enough revenue to pay staff and turn a profit. Is it a good idea for #1 to explore a partnership with Warhammer+?

Not doing a deal means GW goes down the list, until they reach #4. #4 is charismatic and knowledgeable about the game, but his audience is roughly 15% that of #1. This is because of constraints, #4 also has a day job and can't produce content as frequently as #1. So #4 does a deal and starts publishing with Warhammer+. He structures the deal in a way that pays him enough he doesn't have to work the day job, allowing him to publish more frequently. He keeps his existing YT audience and continues publishing there, it's his members-only content that goes on Warhammer+. He also takes advantage of GW's enormous marketing advantages to build his personal profile with customers who've never even heard of him.

#4 would not stay #4 very long. Even if Warhammer+ tanks, #4 would likely grow his audience simply by being mentioned a few times on Warhammer Community. You could use a Lorenz Curve to predict how long it will take for #4 to surpass #1, it boils down to a function of time and money.

Not sure #1 wants all that to happen. Doing a deal with Warhammer+ might be in their best interests, in the short term, to preserve status and chase off competition. In the long run, what's in their best interests depends on what GW decides to do. If #1 sees #2 - #4 all coming on board, i.e. if Warhammer+ turns into a big pond, #1 might find it's best to walk away, which could mean a lot of things (including producing other kinds of content besides batreps, or doing a Duncan Rhodes and starting your own studio.)

This is exactly the model ESPN used to grow in the 80s, they hired popular local broadcasters who did straight sports news and gave them an opportunity to grow their brand before a national audience. Many of them transitioned from straight news to feature pieces and, by doing so, became celebrities with enough crossover appeal to appear in other forms of entertainment. The point was to use the platform ESPN gave them to grow their personal brand and see where it takes them.

Obviously, I don't know what form Warhammer+ is going to take. But I know GW needs to build an audience for this to catch on, they are going to have to work with people in the space who already have audiences. Game theory suggests incorporating batreps would be the low-cost option to acquire users, but the incentives need to be structured in a way that fosters benefits for creators relative to their existing place in the market. Entertainment and influencer marketing are very different from GW's existing business model and how well they adapt to this new space will have a big impact on the odds of success for Warhammer+.

My guess is that GW doesn't adapt and the streaming service fails to catch on. They're not going to put old audiobooks on the service because they don't give anything away for free. That corporate culture is not inline with streaming services, which are about making small amounts of money off massive numbers of users and keeping them on the service for the longest time possible. Thinking about Conservative Christian broadcasting services from the 90s, there was a string of them that failed because they were financed by billionares who made their money in chemicals and thought that's the way every business works. It's not, and the culture clash is probably what's going to keep this from soaring.

We'll see. But the question of incentives in this situation is fascinating.



Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/26 12:55:55


Post by: Da Boss


I'm definitely not the target audience for this. I hate subscription models and don't even have netflix.

But no skin of my nose therefore if this goes ahead. I wasn't super into any of the animation and I don't care about exclusive models.

GW video content is readily available for free all over youtube if I want it. If they start DMCA-ing those people then I'll just not be watching any content and my interest will be less. I doubt they would do that though since that stuff is free advertising.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/26 12:59:05


Post by: Kanluwen


 Da Boss wrote:
I'm definitely not the target audience for this. I hate subscription models and don't even have netflix.

I'm in mostly the same boat. I'd be interested if they had subscription cards I could grab in person though.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/26 16:15:59


Post by: Dysartes


 kodos wrote:
with twitch becoming more of a softporno hosting site I can see why GW wants to get away from it and why bundling all of their digital content into one service is a good idea


Just because they made a TOS change you disagree with, doe snot mean Twitch is becoming a softporn site.

Jesus H Christ on a unicycle...


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/26 16:22:27


Post by: kodos


 Dysartes wrote:
 kodos wrote:
with twitch becoming more of a softporno hosting site I can see why GW wants to get away from it and why bundling all of their digital content into one service is a good idea


Just because they made a TOS change you disagree with, doe snot mean Twitch is becoming a softporn site.

Jesus H Christ on a unicycle...

what TOS change?

it is about the content that starts dominating the site since pandemic (or already before that)


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/26 16:41:36


Post by: chaos0xomega


I saw a headline the other day about allowing streaming from hot tubs or kiddie pools or something, I assume that has something to do with it.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/26 16:42:45


Post by: beast_gts


 Dysartes wrote:
 kodos wrote:
with twitch becoming more of a softporno hosting site I can see why GW wants to get away from it and why bundling all of their digital content into one service is a good idea


Just because they made a TOS change you disagree with, doe snot mean Twitch is becoming a softporn site.

Jesus H Christ on a unicycle...


3-day ban for a hot tub streamer who showed her butthole vs. a permi-ban for a gamer who mentioned a giveaway in their chat. We can all see which way it's going...


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/26 16:45:03


Post by: Sunny Side Up


Googled „Is Twitch becoming a soft porn site“.

Clearly was a super-hot topic in 2014-ish.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/26 16:45:26


Post by: beast_gts


chaos0xomega wrote:
I saw a headline the other day about allowing streaming from hot tubs or kiddie pools or something, I assume that has something to do with it.

"Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches" is now it's own category if you want to watch people wearing very little.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/26 16:49:25


Post by: kodos


beast_gts wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
I saw a headline the other day about allowing streaming from hot tubs or kiddie pools or something, I assume that has something to do with it.

"Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches" is now it's own category if you want to watch people wearing very little.


now I see why those are starting to actually play something in the background (Mario Kart is on the rise) instead of "just chatting"


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/26 16:59:32


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


chaos0xomega wrote:
I saw a headline the other day about allowing streaming from hot tubs or kiddie pools or something, I assume that has something to do with it.


Clever men and women found an exploit in the Twitch TOS that let them wear bikinis ONLY if they were in an appropriate situation like swimming... They then made Twitch a wasteland of hot-tub videogames, hot-tub chat, hot-tub cooking show... literally anything to take advantage of how sad and thirsty the masses are.

Twitch eventually gave in, and now lets everyone monetize their thirst-traps again.

Hot-tub batreps coming to Warhammer+ ? :-p


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/26 18:43:05


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


 kodos wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 kodos wrote:
with twitch becoming more of a softporno hosting site I can see why GW wants to get away from it and why bundling all of their digital content into one service is a good idea


Just because they made a TOS change you disagree with, doe snot mean Twitch is becoming a softporn site.

Jesus H Christ on a unicycle...

what TOS change?

it is about the content that starts dominating the site since pandemic (or already before that)
If it's all you can see on Twitch, try watching different channels, as the algorithm seems to think you like those kinds of streamers. Scrolling through the top 50ish most watched channels at the moment, there appears to be... one scantily clad woman in a bikini among them. Yeah. Absolutely "dominating". Basically nothing else on there anymore.

Anyway, moving on...


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/26 21:28:21


Post by: Cronch


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

Hot-tub batreps coming to Warhammer+ ? :-p

You heard it first here folks, Games Workshop is looking for the perfect Dad-bod to lead their new "One Thin Coat in a hot tub" painting tutorial series


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/26 21:37:59


Post by: Mr Morden


It would def be more interesting to me if Becca Scott has her own regular show on the channel... but thats just me


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/27 03:46:41


Post by: SpikeyBits


As much as I like the idea of a service to watch 40K vids, I have to agree with most of the posts above. Too bad, really


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/27 13:58:25


Post by: Spectral Ceramite


I don't know if been chatted about before, but I would think all YouTube bat rep companies would want to get a hold of this. As in rights to promote games on channel (but right to produce on YouTube and own foramte as well etc, multi-format until a certain percentage is reached of subscribers, then exclusive etc...

I dont think this service is majorly about animation, its about batreps.

An exclusive channel opens them up to a majority footing in everything streamed...big changes maybe in the works.

We know how GW is about IP on everything...


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/27 16:46:04


Post by: Overread


Yes and after they shut down all battle reports GW will also move on to shut down painting commissions using official paint schemes (or any derived from or close too).

After that GW will also demand all gamers adopt at least one kitten.....




I mean if we are going down the rabbithole of insanity lets go all the way!


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/27 17:08:06


Post by: frankelee


I know we'll get a lot of legitimate worry chatter backed up by clickbait worry fuel on Youtube, but GW has no grounds to do takedowns and Youtube don't play about that. If they did GE would already have shut down most media related channels. Little GW will just put themselves on their crank list if they start mass reporting without US IP law backing up any of it. So that sort of stuff simply isn't going to happen.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/05/27 17:29:26


Post by: kodos


 frankelee wrote:
Little GW will just put themselves on their crank list if they start mass reporting without US IP law backing up any of it. So that sort of stuff simply isn't going to happen.
would not be the first time, and this exactly what GW would try in hope that no one has enough money to get back on them in court
and YT is in their favor as take down everything and the other one needs to proof that is legal


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/03 19:54:24


Post by: tauist


Coming back to this, today's WHC article had some more tidbits about Angels Of Death, and the article ended with this pic..

Are those five plusses in the picture just decorative, or is this some sort of hint towards WH+ having five different aspects to it in terms of content?



Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/03 19:57:23


Post by: Kanluwen


It looks like 5 different pluses...

I've been wondering a bit if the Gaunt's Ghost audiodrama we saw previewed would be part of a bigger launch, with a Collector's Edition physical and part of Warhammer Plus for a digital one.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/03 20:08:11


Post by: Lord of Deeds


I think the additional +'s and the statement that animation is only the beginning indicates that Warhammer+ will have more features or services then just streaming which makes sense from the prespective that the animation alone is not likely to generate enough subscribers and income for GW. They will need to bundle other value add services likely to make the Warhammer+ platform viable if they are not partnering with anyone.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/03 20:20:12


Post by: Theophony


Just wait till they move the painting tutorials onto here .


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/03 20:29:32


Post by: Kanluwen


 Theophony wrote:
Just wait till they move the painting tutorials onto here .

If you can watch them without Twitch or Youtube randomly slathering ads into the middle of things, that might be worth it...


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/03 20:33:04


Post by: Albertorius


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Theophony wrote:
Just wait till they move the painting tutorials onto here .

If you can watch them without Twitch or Youtube randomly slathering ads into the middle of things, that might be worth it...


I already can, it's called ad blockers. For YT at least, I don't do Twitch.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/03 20:33:39


Post by: Kanluwen


Unfortunately, they don't always work.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/03 20:35:36


Post by: Albertorius


 Kanluwen wrote:
Unfortunately, they don't always work.


Then you should use another, because they always work for me. For the record, I'm on Firefox with Adblocker for YT and a couple more on top.

The only times I see ads on YT is because I'm not on a PC.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/03 20:45:30


Post by: Theophony


 Albertorius wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Unfortunately, they don't always work.


Then you should use another, because they always work for me. For the record, I'm on Firefox with Adblocker for YT and a couple more on top.

The only times I see ads on YT is because I'm not on a PC.


I'm always on an Ipad or iPhone for videos, The PC is only for slicing for my printers First world problems.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/03 20:50:29


Post by: Mr. Grey


 Theophony wrote:
Just wait till they move the painting tutorials onto here .


Dozens if not hundreds of non-GW "How to paint minis" channels out there, their painting tutorials moving to a pay-for service isn't something I'm going to miss by any means.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/03 21:05:50


Post by: Albertorius


 Theophony wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Unfortunately, they don't always work.


Then you should use another, because they always work for me. For the record, I'm on Firefox with Adblocker for YT and a couple more on top.

The only times I see ads on YT is because I'm not on a PC.


I'm always on an Ipad or iPhone for videos, The PC is only for slicing for my printers First world problems.


That's your problem right there, you're using Apple stuff


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/03 21:09:45


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


 Theophony wrote:
Just wait till they move the painting tutorials onto here .


Their painting tutorials are pretty poor to to honest.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/03 21:25:23


Post by: Voss


 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Theophony wrote:
Just wait till they move the painting tutorials onto here .


Their painting tutorials are pretty poor to to honest.


What, you don't like 'tutorials' that are "load the paint up on your brush, apply here and.... skip to the next step where color X is complete?"


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/03 22:56:10


Post by: Vorian


Presumably they have brought Loise Sugden onto the Warhammer tv painting team to do the more in depth tutorials.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/03 23:53:17


Post by: Racerguy180


 Albertorius wrote:
 Theophony wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Unfortunately, they don't always work.


Then you should use another, because they always work for me. For the record, I'm on Firefox with Adblocker for YT and a couple more on top.

The only times I see ads on YT is because I'm not on a PC.


I'm always on an Ipad or iPhone for videos, The PC is only for slicing for my printers First world problems.


That's your problem right there, you're using Apple stuff


As someone who lives 10mi from their stupid headquarters, this is really a big problem.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 00:33:48


Post by: Overread


Vorian wrote:
Presumably they have brought Loise Sugden onto the Warhammer tv painting team to do the more in depth tutorials.


Heck if Duncan "Two Thin Coats" can do it, GW can do it too. Keep their basic free tutorials up and then do advanced "Evy Metal" ones on the streaming service. Though I'd prefer them in white dwarf, but that's long been mostly copying the same general style of posting painting guides as the videos - a list of paint colours one layer after the other


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 00:44:43


Post by: Arbitrator


I'm guessing the 40k Army Builder/Azyr App will be buried behind them. Wouldn't be shocked if Warscroll Builder was taken out back and shot too just as an 'incentive'.

There was a job advertisement for people who could do battle reports so they'll probably do their own on there as well.

 Theophony wrote:
Just wait till they move the painting tutorials onto here .

There was talk of Darren Lanthem being told he could have a 'masterclass' gig if he shut down his Youtube channel. He stopped uploading but hasn't seemed to fire the shot that will actually kill it. With them now largely having done Battle Ready(tm) tutorials on Warhammer TV since Duncan left, I could see them keeping those on Youtube and then hiding the more advanced ones behind WH+. Nick and Peachy probably aren't good enough to get anyone to sub, but Darren and Louise might.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Theophony wrote:
Just wait till they move the painting tutorials onto here .


Their painting tutorials are pretty poor to to honest.

Under Duncan and Peachy their full-blown tutorials were good for beginners, I felt. Nothing that'd win you awards but they served to give people confidence and in that way they've been a big success. Lil Timmy looks at how well Duncan's Cadians turn out without overcomplicated techniques or tools and thinks "wow I could do that!" Lil Timmy probably doesn't look at Nick drowning Cadians in Contrast with stains visible from the thumbnail and get inspired.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 05:20:27


Post by: stratigo


 kodos wrote:
with twitch becoming more of a softporno hosting site I can see why GW wants to get away from it and why bundling all of their digital content into one service is a good idea

yet having all their content behind a paywall might be not



Hahahahahaha.

"Bikinis! AAAAAAAAAAAAH!"


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 09:01:41


Post by: StraightSilver


I think Warhammer+ will be more akin to Amazon Prime.

Annual subscription that gives you access to:

Animations
Bat Reps
Painting tutorials
AoS/40K app
Audiobooks
Free postage/next day delivery

Exclusive models available - possibly included with your subscription.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 10:58:53


Post by: Vovin


The exceptionally low level of buzz surrounding Warhammer+ should be very worrying for GW.
While new FAQs get their own thread here on dakka within minutes of their release, it took hours after the last W+ update until this thread got ressurrected.
And while even a vague announcement of a new game, i.e. Old World, sparks dozens of pages of discussion, threads about news surrounding animation go dormant one day later.
I will remain open minded until we have all the details, but with the info with have now I can't imagine how GW can pull this off.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 11:20:47


Post by: Overread


The low buzz makes sense - its a totally new thing and we so far have no idea what its going to have nor what quality the animations will have. Keeping in mind that GW's previous animation attempts were rather dire.


It's a huge body of unknown and the hype sort of burned out months and months ago with all the teases of the animations. Right now a lull before the storm makes sense.



Until we have clear details its all guesswork..


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 11:42:38


Post by: Mr. Grey


Their marketing machine is failing them on this one. Nobody wants to wait until the day before release to find out all the pertinent details about Warhammer+ - how much it will cost, what will be available, what other services it will offer, and so on. This isn't an app like the army builder, this is an actual subscription service that (presumably) they'll try to charge $8-10/month for.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 11:54:44


Post by: Apple fox


If they do not at least consider putting there books or audio books on it I would be surprised. It’s there content that is most ready for a service like this.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 12:18:37


Post by: Kanluwen


 Mr. Grey wrote:
Their marketing machine is failing them on this one. Nobody wants to wait until the day before release to find out all the pertinent details about Warhammer+ - how much it will cost, what will be available, what other services it will offer, and so on. This isn't an app like the army builder, this is an actual subscription service that (presumably) they'll try to charge $8-10/month for.

We don't know when it launches. We just know June 24th will mark a date where they'll be giving us more info.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 12:28:47


Post by: Mr. Grey


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
Their marketing machine is failing them on this one. Nobody wants to wait until the day before release to find out all the pertinent details about Warhammer+ - how much it will cost, what will be available, what other services it will offer, and so on. This isn't an app like the army builder, this is an actual subscription service that (presumably) they'll try to charge $8-10/month for.

We don't know when it launches. We just know June 24th will mark a date where they'll be giving us more info.


Exactly. And judging by this thread, there's not a huge lot of excitement for this, but rather quite a bit more "how are they going to pull this off?". Like I said, the GW marketing machine of trickling out information to build hype isn't working for them in this case.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 12:35:43


Post by: MaxT


 Mr. Grey wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
Their marketing machine is failing them on this one. Nobody wants to wait until the day before release to find out all the pertinent details about Warhammer+ - how much it will cost, what will be available, what other services it will offer, and so on. This isn't an app like the army builder, this is an actual subscription service that (presumably) they'll try to charge $8-10/month for.

We don't know when it launches. We just know June 24th will mark a date where they'll be giving us more info.


Exactly. And judging by this thread, there's not a huge lot of excitement for this, but rather quite a bit more "how are they going to pull this off?". Like I said, the GW marketing machine of trickling out information to build hype isn't working for them in this case.


Depends when they are launching. If it’s 1st July I agree with you. If it’s Aug or Sept there’s plenty of time for buildup.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 12:49:24


Post by: Overread


 Mr. Grey wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
Their marketing machine is failing them on this one. Nobody wants to wait until the day before release to find out all the pertinent details about Warhammer+ - how much it will cost, what will be available, what other services it will offer, and so on. This isn't an app like the army builder, this is an actual subscription service that (presumably) they'll try to charge $8-10/month for.

We don't know when it launches. We just know June 24th will mark a date where they'll be giving us more info.


Exactly. And judging by this thread, there's not a huge lot of excitement for this, but rather quite a bit more "how are they going to pull this off?". Like I said, the GW marketing machine of trickling out information to build hype isn't working for them in this case.


Don't forget the internet is often a touch more morbid than reality and that this is Dakka which can be touch more morbid in general when it comes to GW stuff as well


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 13:18:20


Post by: Cronch


Sure, but insta and twitter isn't much more excited. There seems to be a lot of "meh" instead of "can't wait!"


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 13:20:35


Post by: Overread


Cronch wrote:
Sure, but insta and twitter isn't much more excited. There seems to be a lot of "meh" instead of "can't wait!"


Yeah that's cause we burned out of "can't wait" a year or two ago on this project of the animations coming out. It's a slow burn release and we are now in the calm before the storm where GW hasn't got much to say really until they ramp up the marketing 1m/1w from launch.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 14:06:44


Post by: StraightSilver


Pretty sure they said it was launching end of July with more news in June?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 14:36:29


Post by: Danny76


 Overread wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
Their marketing machine is failing them on this one. Nobody wants to wait until the day before release to find out all the pertinent details about Warhammer+ - how much it will cost, what will be available, what other services it will offer, and so on. This isn't an app like the army builder, this is an actual subscription service that (presumably) they'll try to charge $8-10/month for.

We don't know when it launches. We just know June 24th will mark a date where they'll be giving us more info.


Exactly. And judging by this thread, there's not a huge lot of excitement for this, but rather quite a bit more "how are they going to pull this off?". Like I said, the GW marketing machine of trickling out information to build hype isn't working for them in this case.


Don't forget the internet is often a touch more morbid than reality and that this is Dakka which can be touch more morbid in general when it comes to GW stuff as well


Can you imagine if GW made their decisions on how popular things were gonna be based on Dakka’s response.

Here is a small portion of people, the internet fans a slightly bigger portion.
And then there’s the huge actual “Warhammer Fanbase” who are likely already halfway in for this.
Some just go into stores, some might also check Warhammer Community as well, then there’s more who also watch YouTube etc.
Then finally, the group that frequents forums.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 15:12:41


Post by: beast_gts


Facebook wrote:Warhammer+ offers so much more than animations – find out all about it on the 23rd of June. In the meantime, say "hello" to the stars of Angels of Death: https://bit.ly/3idzRNQ


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 15:22:19


Post by: NAVARRO


Danny76 wrote:
 Overread wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
Their marketing machine is failing them on this one. Nobody wants to wait until the day before release to find out all the pertinent details about Warhammer+ - how much it will cost, what will be available, what other services it will offer, and so on. This isn't an app like the army builder, this is an actual subscription service that (presumably) they'll try to charge $8-10/month for.

We don't know when it launches. We just know June 24th will mark a date where they'll be giving us more info.


Exactly. And judging by this thread, there's not a huge lot of excitement for this, but rather quite a bit more "how are they going to pull this off?". Like I said, the GW marketing machine of trickling out information to build hype isn't working for them in this case.


Don't forget the internet is often a touch more morbid than reality and that this is Dakka which can be touch more morbid in general when it comes to GW stuff as well


Can you imagine if GW made their decisions on how popular things were gonna be based on Dakka’s response.

Here is a small portion of people, the internet fans a slightly bigger portion.
And then there’s the huge actual “Warhammer Fanbase” who are likely already halfway in for this.
Some just go into stores, some might also check Warhammer Community as well, then there’s more who also watch YouTube etc.
Then finally, the group that frequents forums.


Yup I can imagine GW behaviour not being very different from what is now if they followed Dakkas opinions... we are pretty much all or nothing when it comes to opinion and so Is GW in therms of what they do and communicate...


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 16:14:33


Post by: dogboy311




I don’t think you should use Dakkadakka as your bar for what people are exited for.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/04 19:11:32


Post by: KillerAngel


Danny76 wrote:

Can you imagine if GW made their decisions on how popular things were gonna be based on Dakka’s response.

Here is a small portion of people, the internet fans a slightly bigger portion.
And then there’s the huge actual “Warhammer Fanbase” who are likely already halfway in for this.
Some just go into stores, some might also check Warhammer Community as well, then there’s more who also watch YouTube etc.
Then finally, the group that frequents forums.

Seriously, it's 2021, who still does this?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/05 06:17:18


Post by: stratigo


GW is remarkably greedy and positions itself to regularly offer the least value they can for their products.

So while it would make sense for them to consolidate their subscriptions and try and offer value, there's a good chance they don't because they see people paying 60 dollars for a codex and go "These morons will buy anything we put out"


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/05 06:27:47


Post by: NinthMusketeer


stratigo wrote:
GW is remarkably greedy and positions itself to regularly offer the least value they can for their products.
Hate to say it mate but that's just how capitalism works.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/05 09:26:03


Post by: stratigo


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
stratigo wrote:
GW is remarkably greedy and positions itself to regularly offer the least value they can for their products.
Hate to say it mate but that's just how capitalism works.


This isn't a good thing.

A company like GW can also only get away with as much as it is let to.

I suspect if all warhammer tv is is just a few animated shows it will belly flop. The problem is companies often go "Make a mistake in our monetization? No, obviously there's just no consumers".

Of warhammer tv plus wants success, they need enough value to attract more than whales (well the biggest whales, most people in the hobby are whales of some capacity.)


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/05 17:58:55


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


An idiot observes.

No painting tutorials on YouTube for Kragnos. Or Kroak. Or indeed anything recent.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/05 18:04:54


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
An idiot observes.

No painting tutorials on YouTube for Kragnos. Or Kroak. Or indeed anything recent.


Meh, the only person about whose painting tutorials i really cared about left GW a good while ago.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/05 18:08:46


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I’m spazzy in the hands. I need tutorials. Spesh for a £100 model!


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/05 18:54:32


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m spazzy in the hands. I need tutorials. Spesh for a £100 model!


Well you can probably find good painting tutorials by people that aren't GW on YouTube.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/05 21:58:48


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m spazzy in the hands. I need tutorials. Spesh for a £100 model!


Well you can probably find good painting tutorials by people that aren't GW on YouTube.


Tried that. Zilch.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 03:44:28


Post by: TalonZahn


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m spazzy in the hands. I need tutorials. Spesh for a £100 model!


Well you can probably find good painting tutorials by people that aren't GW on YouTube.


Tried that. Zilch.


That's what happens when GW sends new releases to random YT people that may or may not be painters a day before general release.

It's been a complaint from many a Youtuber that they never get anything in time to make a video ahead of time, let alone paint the stuff.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 05:30:54


Post by: lord marcus


 TalonZahn wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m spazzy in the hands. I need tutorials. Spesh for a £100 model!


Well you can probably find good painting tutorials by people that aren't GW on YouTube.


Tried that. Zilch.


That's what happens when GW sends new releases to random YT people that may or may not be painters a day before general release.

It's been a complaint from many a Youtuber that they never get anything in time to make a video ahead of time, let alone paint the stuff.


Doug from 2+ tough has had to rush some videos or push them back. most notably for Kragnos.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 07:13:52


Post by: NAVARRO


Yeah was trying to find some tuts for you on tube and could not find any so far. Only unboxing and noticed the model is considerably smaller than I thought it would be?, take off the rock and is the height of a giant? Not £100 worth.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 12:07:35


Post by: Albertorius


 NAVARRO wrote:
Yeah was trying to find some tuts for you on tube and could not find any so far. Only unboxing and noticed the model is considerably smaller than I thought it would be?, take off the rock and is the height of a giant? Not £100 worth.

Heh, yeah, tell that to GW.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 12:59:54


Post by: Mr. Grey


 TalonZahn wrote:


That's what happens when GW sends new releases to random YT people that may or may not be painters a day before general release.

It's been a complaint from many a Youtuber that they never get anything in time to make a video ahead of time, let alone paint the stuff.


Cry me a river that people who are getting free stuff from GW aren't getting it in time to have a full painting tutorial ready to drop on release day.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 13:22:39


Post by: kodos


That is the point of a NDA and review products, to get them in time to have a full review and everything else ready on launch

Maybe Nvidia should also send their review cards out 1 day before launch so that not a single video/article is ready outside the internal marketing stuff

and yes you should blame the reviewer for being too late and not grateful enough for receiving a review product

GW just don't want independent reviews and painting videos to be ready on day 1


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 13:32:41


Post by: Dysartes


 Mr. Grey wrote:
 TalonZahn wrote:
That's what happens when GW sends new releases to random YT people that may or may not be painters a day before general release.

It's been a complaint from many a Youtuber that they never get anything in time to make a video ahead of time, let alone paint the stuff.


Cry me a river that people who are getting free stuff from GW aren't getting it in time to have a full painting tutorial ready to drop on release day.

You don't really get the why behind why these people are getting free stuff, do you?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 13:56:32


Post by: NAVARRO


The few vids I have seen, from said influencers, who got free stuff to paint/review they looked genuinely surprised with the unexpected boxes. Not sure if its a planned thing.

I hope im wrong here but I dont expect to see more of those types of reviews once W+ is released though. I also dont expect things like beasts war, dont remember their name now, to be able to profit from GW content without a C&D or something of the sort.



Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 14:15:23


Post by: Voss


It'd be hilarious if GW tried to kill all those channels. They're functionally free advertising, and I suspect the primary sources people turn to (look at all the info being discussed in the Sisters thread).

C&Ding them would hamstring their own outreach and marketing. I don't think even GW Legal is that devoted to incompetent stupidity.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 14:16:49


Post by: Da Boss


I also don't think you can legally C&D someone for reviewing a product or showing how to play it. I doubt they would try to do that, and if they do, they will not get anywhere.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 14:29:53


Post by: NAVARRO


I dont know man but looking at GW and how they sometimes go on a weird tangent I could see them thinking they are a Nintendo and sue the hell out of content creators.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 16:21:45


Post by: TalonZahn


 Mr. Grey wrote:
 TalonZahn wrote:


That's what happens when GW sends new releases to random YT people that may or may not be painters a day before general release.

It's been a complaint from many a Youtuber that they never get anything in time to make a video ahead of time, let alone paint the stuff.


Cry me a river that people who are getting free stuff from GW aren't getting it in time to have a full painting tutorial ready to drop on release day.


You sound oblivious and out of touch.....

These "people" also rarely, if ever, "get free stuff" and those people are increasing YOUR chances of bringing/meeting new people in the hobby.

They contribute more to the growth than your few snarky posts on a message board.

In fact, MOST people that have YT channels for specific GW stuff do it on their own dime or they are a hobby store trying to build the community at large, around the world.

I think it was Midwinter Minis that quit his "partnership" with GW because he got literally ONE thing from them under the conditions I previous mentioned, and it was a waste of time.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 16:33:09


Post by: stratigo


 Da Boss wrote:
I also don't think you can legally C&D someone for reviewing a product or showing how to play it. I doubt they would try to do that, and if they do, they will not get anywhere.


I mean, not legally, but combination of big company ability to out money individuals and the grace youtube gives to the striker vs the strikee, GW probably could hammer them down if they want because the law system is mostly for the rich.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 16:58:20


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Da Boss wrote:
I also don't think you can legally C&D someone for reviewing a product or showing how to play it. I doubt they would try to do that, and if they do, they will not get anywhere.


It would be interesting but easier than you think. Anyone can C&D anyone else and the platforms like You Tube will usually play it safe and take videos down and let the poster fight the good fight for free speech. I know some review videos have been hit for using copyrighted music, from the film they were reviewing!

So a letter sufficiently dressed up in legalize might get You Tube to take things down.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 17:33:09


Post by: kodos


GW can C&D if your review/video was uploaded to early and/or you used stuff you are not allowed to use
for example it is common to have screenshots from the GW store in those videos or official pictures from GW and if GW never allowed you to use those C&D is fine

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I know some review videos have been hit for using copyrighted music, from the film they were reviewing!

this is an easy one as the Music Industry in some countries is behind this
if a movie got the licence for the music, that was made specific for that movie, for cinema, blue ray and streaming, it is not allowed to use the music in other forms hence a YT video using the music is taken down because the performance rights organization of that country is taking things very strict


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 18:39:32


Post by: Da Boss


Hmmm, I guess they could use the fact that Youtubes systems are automated to do that. It would get them a crapton of bad press and torpedo their free publicity on Youtube, so it would be pretty dumb. But their IP people don't seem to be the smartest, so it's possible.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/06 19:00:42


Post by: kodos


GW has a history of burning down the bridges to create a new community

I would not be surprised of the do something no one else would do and end up being fine and better than before because it payed off

as in this case the part of the community they would lose is the one that would not have payed for this kind of content anyway and the rest is following them as ordered


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/08 20:51:46


Post by: The Phazer


 kodos wrote:
Maybe Nvidia should also send their review cards out 1 day before launch so that not a single video/article is ready outside the internal marketing stuff


Nvidia (and AMD for team red cards) literally do this all the time. Linus was even moaning about it last week.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/11 12:21:16


Post by: Spectral Ceramite


I hope Warhammer+ is an extension of the 40k app I pay for atm (eg think is like $5 or so a month atm and if pay say $8 a month get warhammer + & the app available atm).

What I recon and others (as stated before) is it will have animations, but will have batreps, painting tutorials, discussion channels and pre-view channels.

Channels that rely on previewing GW products are the thing that will be contentious (as others have stated). if they stop giving preview copies or early release copies of codexs/models etc to youtube/independent channels it will maybe stop some of the buzz for GW, but it will assuredly diminish the growth of these channels a lot (if they rely on that).

However, if they relegate codex/rules previews to only Warhammer+ and still distribute models to other channels, it will grow Warhammer+ greatly (if want early looks at rules have to pay GW), and still promote the models through their affiliates.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/11 16:31:35


Post by: shadowsfm



https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/06/10/spilling-the-beans-discover-the-secrets-of-writing-the-screenplays-for-hammer-and-bolter/
What’s more, we’ll soon be revealing more about what else you can look forward to on Warhammer+.


this implies there is much more to come, not just videos. in a week and a half we will know more.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/11 19:11:04


Post by: Spectral Ceramite


shadowsfm wrote:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/06/10/spilling-the-beans-discover-the-secrets-of-writing-the-screenplays-for-hammer-and-bolter/
What’s more, we’ll soon be revealing more about what else you can look forward to on Warhammer+.


this implies there is much more to come, not just videos. in a week and a half we will know more.


stellar addon to the convo...

I was gunna explain aussie slang but then thought....stuff it (man I sound like an ork now think about it)


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/20 15:55:25


Post by: Ghaz


Warhammer+ preview on Wednesday




Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/20 16:36:07


Post by: Danny76


Is this the one we knew about?
That they’d mentioned telling us more soon. I can’t remember the date for that?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/20 16:47:08


Post by: Chikout


Danny76 wrote:
Is this the one we knew about?
That they’d mentioned telling us more soon. I can’t remember the date for that?


Yes this is the date.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/21 08:01:00


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Time for some wild speculation.

First, we know we’ll be able to watch their animated fare. And they also mentioned exclusive models.

Much as I’m a slag for exclusive models, I’m hoping for the following additional features.

1. Priority pre-orders. Such as a day or two before general release. Might be married to the order itself being shipped ASAP rather than on release day

2. Priority ticket booking for tournies. Perhaps exclusive subscriber only events.

3. Free entry to the Warhammer Museum

And that’s about it off the top of my head. Anyone else care to speculate?


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/21 08:19:02


Post by: Cronch


pay us to be the first in line to pay us!

what a lovely capitalist dystopia you've dreamed up


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/21 08:24:05


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


If it lets me get my grubby mitts on card packs and Cursed City expansions, I’m willing


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/21 08:25:44


Post by: Cronch


unironically that's gross.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/21 08:46:07


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Why?

Depending on the price, I’m in it for the models primarily, animations secondary.

The other stuff would be perks, rather than my reason for signing up.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/21 08:59:32


Post by: Cronch


because paying for the privilege of being first to give a corporation money is pathetic and encourages anti-customer practices which impact everyone, not just you.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/21 09:05:44


Post by: Malika2


Hmm, let's see how long it'll take before those episodes will appear on Putlocker or any other host site...


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/21 09:07:42


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
If it lets me get my grubby mitts on card packs and Cursed City expansions, I’m willing


What Cursed City?
There is no Cursed City board game.
It never existed.
Radukar didn't appear in anything before coming to Age of Sigmar.
We have always been at war with Eurasia


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/21 09:44:58


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Cronch wrote:
because paying for the privilege of being first to give a corporation money is pathetic and encourages anti-customer practices which impact everyone, not just you.


Cobblers. Absolute cobblers.

You don’t want to sign up, don’t sign up. And don’t claim anyone who does sign up is somehow damaging to your position.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/21 09:50:00


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Cronch wrote:
because paying for the privilege of being first to give a corporation money is pathetic and encourages anti-customer practices which impact everyone, not just you.


Cobblers. Absolute cobblers.

You don’t want to sign up, don’t sign up. And don’t claim anyone who does sign up is somehow damaging to your position.


Grasping the concept of "Giving GW money for bad business practices ensures they will continue doing them and feth over everyone" really isn't that hard to grasp man.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/21 10:04:36


Post by: Cronch


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Cronch wrote:
because paying for the privilege of being first to give a corporation money is pathetic and encourages anti-customer practices which impact everyone, not just you.


Cobblers. Absolute cobblers.

You don’t want to sign up, don’t sign up. And don’t claim anyone who does sign up is somehow damaging to your position.

I'm talking SPECIFICALLY about your idea of "signing up lets people access preorders early and get better service at tourneys", not the "pay to access shows/rulebooks" service.
It's a bad practice from customer's pov and create even more uneven have-have not split in a hobby that's already classist as heck.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/21 10:09:47


Post by: posermcbogus


 Ghaz wrote:
Warhammer+ preview on Wednesday




Took 'em a while, but I guess the unrelenting torrent of people clowning on how awful Warhammer+ sounds finally got to the big cheeses, who have decided to do a bit of damage control.


Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel  @ 2021/06/21 10:11:29


Post by: ImAGeek


 posermcbogus wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Warhammer+ preview on Wednesday




Took 'em a while, but I guess the unrelenting torrent of people clowning on how awful Warhammer+ sounds finally got to the big cheeses, who have decided to do a bit of damage control.


They said when it was first announced that there’d be a preview in June with more details.