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Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/06 20:45:11


Post by: Suzuteo


This satirical ad from Auspex Tactics is honestly the most hilarious thing that I have seen all year. It also really underscores how predatory the product lifecycle in competitive 40K has become.




Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/06 20:59:58


Post by: Dudeface


Life's cheaper and easier if you don't chase the competitive dragon.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/06 22:40:58


Post by: H.B.M.C.


The bundle deal with the Reivers was very funny.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/06 22:53:50


Post by: steelhead177th


It was a good video. I really didn't expect that from Auspex. He's so straightlaced in his videos. I thought it was legit for a bit before the tone hit me like a brick.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/06 23:16:10


Post by: Galas


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The bundle deal with the Reivers was very funny.


As a Reiver fan it hurt but I was laughing my ass off


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/06 23:20:12


Post by: Suzuteo


steelhead177th wrote:
It was a good video. I really didn't expect that from Auspex. He's so straightlaced in his videos. I thought it was legit for a bit before the tone hit me like a brick.

He used up his emotion quota for the year on this video.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/06 23:30:19


Post by: BertBert


Who wouldn't want a backpack mounted light heavy stubber?


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 00:35:48


Post by: Goose LeChance


It's funny but a little late, GW mastered how to monetise meta chasers/competitive players a long time ago.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 00:57:41


Post by: Tome_Keeper


Lol - Yep - this is pretty much GW in a nut shell


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 01:49:24


Post by: Togusa


 Suzuteo wrote:
This satirical ad from Auspex Tactics is honestly the most hilarious thing that I have seen all year. It also really underscores how predatory the product lifecycle in competitive 40K has become.




I still can't see the grimdark .50s on the new marine models without laughing at them. They look so out of place, almost as if they were tacked on as an afterthought by one of the sculptor team's children. Then, some executive saw it and slapped a seal of approval on them and out to production they went. I imagine the rules team must have sat there for a few minutes wondering if they were being pranked.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 02:17:45


Post by: H.B.M.C.


And now I can't tell if we're being pranked...


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 02:26:42


Post by: Jarms48


I still can't see the grimdark .50s on the new marine models without laughing at them. They look so out of place, almost as if they were tacked on as an afterthought by one of the sculptor team's children. Then, some executive saw it and slapped a seal of approval on them and out to production they went. I imagine the rules team must have sat there for a few minutes wondering if they were being pranked.


Are these real models? Looks like someone just photoshopped the ironhail stubers from the Impulsor.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 02:43:04


Post by: Togusa


Jarms48 wrote:
I still can't see the grimdark .50s on the new marine models without laughing at them. They look so out of place, almost as if they were tacked on as an afterthought by one of the sculptor team's children. Then, some executive saw it and slapped a seal of approval on them and out to production they went. I imagine the rules team must have sat there for a few minutes wondering if they were being pranked.


Are these real models? Looks like someone just photoshopped the ironhail stubers from the Impulsor.


These are fake. I'm talking about the real models like the Impulsor and the dread that have the Iron hails on them. Those weapons just don't look like they belong on marine units.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 02:56:45


Post by: Goose LeChance


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And now I can't tell if we're being pranked...


The video?

I think he's being genuine (for the first time ever) because he now feels threatened by GW, like most youtubers. But they've all been signal boosting GW for years so it's a bit silly to cry about it now.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 02:59:41


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I meant what Togusa, but he has since clarified.

Goose LeChance wrote:
I think he's being genuine (for the first time ever) because he now feels threatened by GW, like most youtubers. But they've all been signal boosting GW for years so it's a bit silly to cry about it now.
For the first time?


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 03:07:39


Post by: Goose LeChance


His entire channel is an advert for GW fans who analyse what the most OP models are and then buy them.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 03:12:20


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I've been watching his videos to clear up the gaps in my knowledge about 8th/9th.

Despite what people here have tried to argue, it's an immensely bloated and overloaded game, filled to the gills with multiple layers of rules piled on top of one another.

He's made that far easier to parse.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 03:28:51


Post by: Goose LeChance


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've been watching his videos to clear up the gaps in my knowledge about 8th/9th.

Despite what people here have tried to argue, it's an immensely bloated and overloaded game, filled to the gills with multiple layers of rules piled on top of one another.

He's made that far easier to parse.


That's understandable

It doesn't change the fact that he wasn't making scathing, sarcastic videos to take pot shots at GW. He was happy to play it safe until recent events. Gotta get those outrage clicks


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 03:33:26


Post by: Daedalus81


Goose LeChance wrote:
It's funny but a little late, GW mastered how to monetise meta chasers/competitive players a long time ago.




Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 03:34:21


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Togusa wrote:
I'm talking about the real models like the Impulsor and the dread that have the Iron hails on them. Those weapons just don't look like they belong on marine units.
The sudden inclusion of stubber weapons on Marines has always struck me as very odd.

I think it's a good indicator of the design team making what they want and the rules people having to make them fit.

The best example of this is the Invictor Warsuit. This is meant to be an Autocannon. Visually it's a heavy stubber, as you can see from the smaller one behind it. It even has the same ammo box as all the heavy stubbers.

I think they got the design and figured they couldn't make a "Heavy Heavy Stubber"*, so had to pretend it was an autocannon.


*A call-back to the joke in the video in this thread!



Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 04:34:26


Post by: Flipsiders


Goose LeChance wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've been watching his videos to clear up the gaps in my knowledge about 8th/9th.

Despite what people here have tried to argue, it's an immensely bloated and overloaded game, filled to the gills with multiple layers of rules piled on top of one another.

He's made that far easier to parse.


That's understandable

It doesn't change the fact that he wasn't making scathing, sarcastic videos to take pot shots at GW. He was happy to play it safe until recent events. Gotta get those outrage clicks


People can have different standards about what they believe is worthy of criticism and what isn't without automatically being considered shills or grifters or corporate pawns or whatnot. Some people on Dakka don't think that GW has done anything wrong, and I assume they're all real people with real opinions about the situation.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 04:55:51


Post by: Goose LeChance


I'm not talking about the people on Dakka though?

I'm talking about the youtuber who makes a living off shilling GW products, suddenly doing a heel turn. He's looking for clicks because of recent events.

It's doubly strange when his channel is dedicated to things he's now criticising in the video. (power creep, meta chasing, impulse purchasing) Did he really just figure this out now?


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 05:04:10


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Auspex has always come across as entirely neutral. He's an information channel.

"Here is what's happening. I provide no opinion on this."

It might be the most passive 40k channel I've ever seen.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 05:13:53


Post by: Goose LeChance


You're only proving my point


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 05:22:48


Post by: tneva82


Goose LeChance wrote:
His entire channel is an advert for GW fans who analyse what the most OP models are and then buy them.


Well that's not particularly hard thing to do. Broken stuff is easy to spot. GW doesn't even try to hide it. Why make it subtle when you can make it obvious and have more players buy them thinking they have figured out some fancy secret


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 05:35:05


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Goose LeChance wrote:
You're only proving my point
Your point requires him shilling GW products to be true. I don't think he shills for anything. He's far too passive for that. He's like a verbal wikipedia for 40k rules. Saying he shills for GW is like saying Wikipedia shills for Marvel because they have pages for each of the MCU movies.

You're correct in that this video is very different to his other videos, but he's as non-committal on everything else in basically every other video. That's not necessarily a bad thing.




Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 05:38:39


Post by: cody.d.


Auspex Tactics is a content creator. He makes content to match his style and attitude. Question is, does he play in tournies? If that's a yes, then he's in no way shilling, just making vids about something he enjoys doing.

Now if he himself never even plays 40k then yeah, maybe the shilling remark could hold weight.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 05:45:48


Post by: Marshal Loss


Gave me a good giggle


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 06:40:42


Post by: Togusa


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Togusa wrote:
I'm talking about the real models like the Impulsor and the dread that have the Iron hails on them. Those weapons just don't look like they belong on marine units.
The sudden inclusion of stubber weapons on Marines has always struck me as very odd.

I think it's a good indicator of the design team making what they want and the rules people having to make them fit.

The best example of this is the Invictor Warsuit. This is meant to be an Autocannon. Visually it's a heavy stubber, as you can see from the smaller one behind it. It even has the same ammo box as all the heavy stubbers.

I think they got the design and figured they couldn't make a "Heavy Heavy Stubber"*, so had to pretend it was an autocannon.


*A call-back to the joke in the video in this thread!



The thing is Heavy Bolters exist and would have looked so much better, not to mention have fit the design.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 06:44:39


Post by: Vatsetis


That video was brilliant... The show stealer actyally looks better than the official suppressor.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 07:00:16


Post by: Karol


Goose LeChance wrote:
His entire channel is an advert for GW fans who analyse what the most OP models are and then buy them.

He wouldn't be making or including units in his reviews that are considered bad then. If his channel was only ment for people who seek the best combo builds it would make no sense to talk about units which do not work or are sub par. People would skip it or worse not watch it at all.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 07:03:41


Post by: Goose LeChance


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Goose LeChance wrote:
You're only proving my point
Your point requires him shilling GW products to be true. I don't think he shills for anything. He's far too passive for that. He's like a verbal wikipedia for 40k rules. Saying he shills for GW is like saying Wikipedia shills for Marvel because they have pages for each of the MCU movies.

You're correct in that this video is very different to his other videos, but he's as non-committal on everything else in basically every other video. That's not necessarily a bad thing.




His latest video would suggest he's anything but neutral, and has been holding back his true opinion about the products he's been advertising. You're trying to characterise him as a neutral news source and I don't buy it.

I could be wrong and maybe he's been calling Primaris obvious cash grabs all along, I'm not gonna dig through every video to find out though.


cody.d. wrote:
Auspex Tactics is a content creator. He makes content to match his style and attitude. Question is, does he play in tournies? If that's a yes, then he's in no way shilling, just making vids about something he enjoys doing.

Now if he himself never even plays 40k then yeah, maybe the shilling remark could hold weight.


It's irrelevant if he goes to tournaments or not, it has no bearing on the act of shilling.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 07:46:14


Post by: Flipsiders


Goose LeChance wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Goose LeChance wrote:
You're only proving my point
Your point requires him shilling GW products to be true. I don't think he shills for anything. He's far too passive for that. He's like a verbal wikipedia for 40k rules. Saying he shills for GW is like saying Wikipedia shills for Marvel because they have pages for each of the MCU movies.

You're correct in that this video is very different to his other videos, but he's as non-committal on everything else in basically every other video. That's not necessarily a bad thing.




His latest video would suggest he's anything but neutral, and has been holding back his true opinion about the products he's been advertising. You're trying to characterise him as a neutral news source and I don't buy it.

I could be wrong and maybe he's been calling Primaris obvious cash grabs all along, I'm not gonna dig through every video to find out though.


cody.d. wrote:
Auspex Tactics is a content creator. He makes content to match his style and attitude. Question is, does he play in tournies? If that's a yes, then he's in no way shilling, just making vids about something he enjoys doing.

Now if he himself never even plays 40k then yeah, maybe the shilling remark could hold weight.


It's irrelevant if he goes to tournaments or not, it has no bearing on the act of shilling.


Question: If I love American Football, and talk publicly about how the best teams are doing and what I predict is going to happen in the next season, does that mean I'm "shilling football?"


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 07:49:51


Post by: xttz


 Flipsiders wrote:

Question: If I love American Football, and talk publicly about how the best teams are doing and what I predict is going to happen in the next season, does that mean I'm "shilling football?"


Yes I'm afraid it does.

Now excuse me while I eat breakfast and await a massive cheque from Kelloggs


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 07:51:00


Post by: Flipsiders


 xttz wrote:
 Flipsiders wrote:

Question: If I love American Football, and talk publicly about how the best teams are doing and what I predict is going to happen in the next season, does that mean I'm "shilling football?"


Yes I'm afraid it does.

Now excuse me while I eat breakfast and await a massive cheque from Kelloggs


It really does suck that my father has been shilling the NFL to me for decades and I never even realized it.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 07:51:05


Post by: Suzuteo


He covers the competitive scene. Calling someone a shill simply because he doesn't want to be negative all the time is a bit extreme. (I mean, the word "shill" sorta loses all meaning if it goes from being unreasonably positive to merely not negative.)

That said, it is surprising to see something like this from him specifically because it is a jarring tonal shift. You can be cynical and say that he was neutral before and negative now due to self-interest, but you cannot deny that even in the microcosm of this thread, a negative attitude does not seem to win you many admirers.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 08:20:56


Post by: xttz


 Suzuteo wrote:
He covers the competitive scene. Calling someone a shill simply because he doesn't want to be negative all the time is a bit extreme.


Very strong "if you're not with us you're against us" energy from people like Goose.

As everyone knows, all things are either Wholly Good or Wholly Bad. If you ever at any time discuss Bad Thing without condemning it's existence, you must be a supporter of Bad Thing!


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 10:26:27


Post by: The_Real_Chris


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The sudden inclusion of stubber weapons on Marines has always struck me as very odd.

I think it's a good indicator of the design team making what they want and the rules people having to make them fit.


It is poor management of the design team.

It goes against entirely what you would hope would happen - Guard divest bolt weapons, get Las and stubber, marines get bolt weapons of all types. Now Bolt weapons appear more and more on guard and marines inexplicably get bolt weapons?


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 10:33:18


Post by: Aenar


I had a good laugh watching the video, it's funny because it's true.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 10:47:25


Post by: Not Online!!!


The fact that some people thought that they looked like a real primaris unit, should give us pause in regards just how bad primaris design has gotten in many ways...


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 11:04:32


Post by: Dudeface


 xttz wrote:
 Suzuteo wrote:
He covers the competitive scene. Calling someone a shill simply because he doesn't want to be negative all the time is a bit extreme.


Very strong "if you're not with us you're against us" energy from people like Goose.

As everyone knows, all things are either Wholly Good or Wholly Bad. If you ever at any time discuss Bad Thing without condemning it's existence, you must be a supporter of Bad Thing!


And heaven forbid you want to show off a sense of humour.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 12:22:22


Post by: Goose LeChance


 Flipsiders wrote:

Question: If I love American Football, and talk publicly about how the best teams are doing and what I predict is going to happen in the next season, does that mean I'm "shilling football?"


Are you profiting off talking about football? Do you have ulterior motives for talking about and promoting football? Is it in your best interest not to be negative about football for monetary gain? Like possibly losing youtube and patreon subs?

and then to jump on a bandwagon when it's convenient, for clicks...

 Suzuteo wrote:


That said, it is surprising to see something like this from him specifically because it is a jarring tonal shift. You can be cynical and say that he was neutral before and negative now due to self-interest, but you cannot deny that even in the microcosm of this thread, a negative attitude does not seem to win you many admirers.


Exactly.

and some people confuse honesty with negativity.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 12:35:01


Post by: princeyg


Wow, What a thread. Anyone even possibly consider the idea that the only motivation for this vid was to give people a good giggle??


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 13:15:44


Post by: Vatsetis


Dudeface wrote:
 xttz wrote:
 Suzuteo wrote:
He covers the competitive scene. Calling someone a shill simply because he doesn't want to be negative all the time is a bit extreme.


Very strong "if you're not with us you're against us" energy from people like Goose.

As everyone knows, all things are either Wholly Good or Wholly Bad. If you ever at any time discuss Bad Thing without condemning it's existence, you must be a supporter of Bad Thing!


And heaven forbid you want to show off a sense of humour.


Humour is the most pure form of heresy... And its sooooooo... Last Millenium.


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princeyg wrote:
Wow, What a thread. Anyone even possibly consider the idea that the only motivation for this vid was to give people a good giggle??


Okham Razor is Heresy... There is always a hidden agenda to uncover.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 13:51:20


Post by: Goose LeChance


Vatsetis wrote:
There is always a hidden agenda to uncover.


hmm


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 14:04:54


Post by: oni


Accurately sums up what competitive W40K has done and continues to do to the game / hobby / community.

Mike Brandt = The new Matt Ward.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 14:39:49


Post by: Irbis


This whole video was unfunny drivel. Hello, it's not 2019 and 8th edition anymore, SM are no longer any good, and seeing top 3 armies currently are harlequins, deldar, and admech, this would have any semblance to reality if it was Eldaris Gamebreakors. To make this gak even dumber, in last three years NOT A SINGLE primaris unit was in any way OP (if you squint hard you might point at pre-nerf eradicators, but even then quad las contemptor and melta attack bike were strictly better, just rare on tables because few people own them). Every single 'OP' unit SM recently fielded was squat, be it van vets, sang guard, DW termies, ravenwing, FW pay to win gak, smash jump/bike captains, sternguard, etc, etc, anyone sees anything primaris in here? Hell, GW largely destroyed the point of primaris by giving squats W2, an insane move if all you wanted was promotion of new models.

And the best part is, that shot his own foot by completely annihilating that joke of an ""argument"" showing reivers. Premier primaris unit that GW would love to sell more of, but their rules had always been terrible. It's like flat earther video showing globe then photo of earth from space not noticing it makes anything that come before it downright comical. The whole thing feels like rant of some salty 4chan troll who complains about his own strawman, not what is actually happening.

 Suzuteo wrote:
That said, it is surprising to see something like this from him specifically because it is a jarring tonal shift. You can be cynical and say that he was neutral before and negative now due to self-interest, but you cannot deny that even in the microcosm of this thread, a negative attitude does not seem to win you many admirers.

He did parrot 4chan nonsense before. It was just hard to spot because 95% of "content" he "makes" is copy-pasted from WarhammerCompetitive, place where people complain about rules, not models. It was hard to spot but it was there.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 14:55:03


Post by: H.B.M.C.


So glad you're back...


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 15:08:27


Post by: jeff white


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've been watching his videos to clear up the gaps in my knowledge about 8th/9th.

Despite what people here have tried to argue, it's an immensely bloated and overloaded game, filled to the gills with multiple layers of rules piled on top of one another.

He's made that far easier to parse.


I love Auspex so much that I subscribe to his Onlyfans... you should too!

Oh, and by the way, "my hands hurt" -


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 Aenar wrote:
I had a good laugh watching the video, it's funny because it's true.

this^^



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princeyg wrote:
Wow, What a thread. Anyone even possibly consider the idea that the only motivation for this vid was to give people a good giggle??

and this^^



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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Auspex has always come across as entirely neutral. He's an information channel.

"Here is what's happening. I provide no opinion on this."

It might be the most passive 40k channel I've ever seen.

And I must agree with this^^
I like Auspex' stuff, genuinely - I find the videos well made, the narration clear and the analyses intelligent and useful to keep up with the game from the outside in... in this video, I see that even this guy can say enough is enough... maybe he is getting tired of the ridiculousness of it all.

And before anyone decides that this is a good time to write "but this is the nature of a corporation, to string customers along or to get them addicted to a release cycle or a media platform for profit", this is not true, never was true, and exists as a story made up by 'greed is good' parasites in the early 70s with disastrous results in every industry and every ecosystem on Earth... this hobby is just one example of how such an "ethos" gets things wrong.

In the end, good for Auspex! Smartest thing that I have seen on the Internet since... the paper on dissociable subsystems within the default mode network that I just finished reading, if that counts. Certainly the smartest 40k content that I have seen in video for a very long time, if it has a peer at all.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 15:53:06


Post by: xttz


Goose LeChance wrote:
some people confuse honesty with negativity.


So you're calling him a shill honestly, but not calling him names negatively?

I'm glad we could clear that up.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 15:58:59


Post by: phandaal


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The bundle deal with the Reivers was very funny.


Reivers make me miss the days when GW sold individual bits. Those helmets are primo.

princeyg wrote:
Wow, What a thread. Anyone even possibly consider the idea that the only motivation for this vid was to give people a good giggle??


Most people got that right away, but there are always a special few who don't. The best of the best of the best, SIR.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 15:59:06


Post by: Tyel


 Irbis wrote:
And the best part is, that shot his own foot by completely annihilating that joke of an ""argument"" showing reivers. Premier primaris unit that GW would love to sell more of, but their rules had always been terrible. It's like flat earther video showing globe then photo of earth from space not noticing it makes anything that come before it downright comical. The whole thing feels like rant of some salty 4chan troll who complains about his own strawman, not what is actually happening.


I mean....


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 16:06:27


Post by: Dudeface


Tyel wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
And the best part is, that shot his own foot by completely annihilating that joke of an ""argument"" showing reivers. Premier primaris unit that GW would love to sell more of, but their rules had always been terrible. It's like flat earther video showing globe then photo of earth from space not noticing it makes anything that come before it downright comical. The whole thing feels like rant of some salty 4chan troll who complains about his own strawman, not what is actually happening.


I mean....


People always say British sarcasm based humour doesn't translate well, we have evidence now.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 16:17:58


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Tyel wrote:
I mean....
Right?


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 16:29:45


Post by: phandaal


 Suzuteo wrote:
He covers the competitive scene. Calling someone a shill simply because he doesn't want to be negative all the time is a bit extreme. (I mean, the word "shill" sorta loses all meaning if it goes from being unreasonably positive to merely not negative.)

That said, it is surprising to see something like this from him specifically because it is a jarring tonal shift. You can be cynical and say that he was neutral before and negative now due to self-interest, but you cannot deny that even in the microcosm of this thread, a negative attitude does not seem to win you many admirers.


Auspex is great. He's so fast on every topic and has a very balanced way of reporting.

It certainly is a tonal shift but I think he pulls it off without being mean or overly negative. Feels like he just wanted to have some fun.

Seems like people enjoy his video too, because it's got massively more viewers than any of his other recent stuff.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 17:33:24


Post by: Vatsetis


 phandaal wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The bundle deal with the Reivers was very funny.


Reivers make me miss the days when GW sold individual bits. Those helmets are primo.

princeyg wrote:
Wow, What a thread. Anyone even possibly consider the idea that the only motivation for this vid was to give people a good giggle??


Most people got that right away, but there are always a special few who don't. The best of the best of the best, SIR.


Dont mock those people... its scientifically proven they have 10 times more chances than you do of being a CEO or reaching a high Political position... and if we are ever put in the trenches you and I will be literally mad after just a few days of constant shelling while the chosen ones wont even notice... those are certainly very valuable habilities


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 18:25:51


Post by: Suzuteo


 phandaal wrote:
Seems like people enjoy his video too, because it's got massively more viewers than any of his other recent stuff.

Given how many 40K channels got nuked off Youtube recently, I guess we're all thirsty for content.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/07 18:30:20


Post by: BertBert


 Irbis wrote:


And the best part is, that shot his own foot by completely annihilating that joke of an ""argument"" showing reivers. Premier primaris unit that GW would love to sell more of, but their rules had always been terrible. It's like flat earther video showing globe then photo of earth from space not noticing it makes anything that come before it downright comical. The whole thing feels like rant of some salty 4chan troll who complains about his own strawman, not what is actually happening.


That's the point. The premise of that particular sketch is that GW is bundling terrible units with the OP stuff to get them off the shelves.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 03:45:00


Post by: Goose LeChance


 phandaal wrote:

Seems like people enjoy his video too, because it's got massively more viewers than any of his other recent stuff.


Yeah who could have seen that coming?

Now that he's mined the youtube algorithms he can go back to shilling the latest products to consume


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 05:28:14


Post by: Flipsiders


Goose LeChance wrote:
 Flipsiders wrote:

Question: If I love American Football, and talk publicly about how the best teams are doing and what I predict is going to happen in the next season, does that mean I'm "shilling football?"


Are you profiting off talking about football? Do you have ulterior motives for talking about and promoting football? Is it in your best interest not to be negative about football for monetary gain? Like possibly losing youtube and patreon subs?

and then to jump on a bandwagon when it's convenient, for clicks...


I was so hoping you would say this.

Tell me, how would profiting off of your opinions prove that you're a shill? The whole idea of "shilling" is being rewarded for your actions, whether by being directly paid by the entity you're shilling, receiving some variety of favor or goodwill (like a Star Wars fan channel getting press tickets to an event), or simply taking pleasure in the fact that you're pleasing your corporate overlords. The funny part is, using YouTube as a source of income flies in the face of all of these motivations. Unless you believe that GW is paying off Auspex Tactics in the back room, he, if anything, should be mentioning and heavily critiquing every controversy which GW find themselves embroiled in, because people have known from the days of TMZ that controversy gets views, and views get cash. This entire argument is backwards to a comic extent.

The other answer you imply is that Auspex Tactics is preaching to a choir of GW fans who would get mad at him and leave if he ever criticized the company. Let's ignore for a second the fact that this hasn't seemed to happen so far. If one assumes that these fans exist, would it not be more likely that Auspex Tactics is simply one of their number who has slightly different opinions about Primaris releases? Is it possible, by any chance, that all of these YouTube videos feature his actual opinions and that he isn't trying to fool anybody, but rather didn't care about the exact same controversies that other people did? Even that isn't necessarily the case, because I know the guy made a video on TTS' cancellation and I'm pretty sure he also did one on the new Plague Marine weapon rules, which were both subtly negative if not directly critical of Games Workshop.

I'm not married to the Auspex Tactics channel by any means; competitive Warhammer really isn't' my thing. I just don't see how it's possible to call someone a shill over a low-effort parody video. However, you can ignore my opinions if you like, since I'm sure that I'm actually just a huge shill for Auspex Tactics and am secretly his number one Patreon donor or whatever.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 05:38:19


Post by: JohnnyHell


 Suzuteo wrote:
 phandaal wrote:
Seems like people enjoy his video too, because it's got massively more viewers than any of his other recent stuff.

Given how many 40K channels got nuked off Youtube recently, I guess we're all thirsty for content.


So how many actually did? Seems like innuendo stated as fact.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 05:44:22


Post by: posermcbogus


Man you can always tell when the westerners wake up because the silliest fight thread goes straight to the top of most recent.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 05:46:13


Post by: Flipsiders


 posermcbogus wrote:
Man you can always tell when the westerners wake up because the silliest fight thread goes straight to the top of most recent.

Joke's on you, I should be asleep by now.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 05:54:58


Post by: cody.d.


 posermcbogus wrote:
Man you can always tell when the westerners wake up because the silliest fight thread goes straight to the top of most recent.


I come from aus, so wouldn't that make me more of a southerner?


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 06:02:30


Post by: H.B.M.C.


We're a tiny pacific nation.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 08:21:39


Post by: Vatsetis


Australia... Prepare your selve to be nuked then


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 posermcbogus wrote:
Man you can always tell when the westerners wake up because the silliest fight thread goes straight to the top of most recent.


You know that the westeners cover at least 10 different time zones (from UTC +1 to UTC -9) ... so there is always some of us not sleeping

Thats the advantage of being the IOM of the RW... you know... the xenophobic "good guys" that settle where ever they want and mostly displace and latter send to oblivion the local population.

Retalation is comming


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 09:27:54


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Vatsetis wrote:
Thats the advantage of being the IOM of the RW... you know... the xenophobic "good guys" that settle where ever they want and mostly displace and latter send to oblivion the local population.
Yep, 'cause we're the only group that ever did that.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 10:12:31


Post by: Vatsetis


Well its not like GW invented predatory marketing with the Primaris... but they are certainly outstanding pupils in this regards.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 10:30:23


Post by: a_typical_hero


You guys are aware of the past 20 years of 40k and the constant balance hammer swings ever since?

This is nothing new and especially not something for Primaris.

Just for argument's sake:
Compare the Primaris units that are / were OP to every other release that isn't / wasn't.

OP:
- Aggressors
- Eliminators

Units people discussed as OP but never made any big showing on the tourny scene:
- Eradicators
- Heavy Intercessors
- Invader Quad

Not OP:
- The rest

Do you agree? And if yes, could you elaborate how this falls into predatory marketing that 2 out of ~45 Primaris (give or take with Chapter specific units) datasheets weren't balanced, when we look at the releases of the last 4ish years?


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 11:09:02


Post by: Dudeface


a_typical_hero wrote:
You guys are aware of the past 20 years of 40k and the constant balance hammer swings ever since?

This is nothing new and especially not something for Primaris.

Just for argument's sake:
Compare the Primaris units that are / were OP to every other release that isn't / wasn't.

OP:
- Aggressors
- Eliminators

Units people discussed as OP but never made any big showing on the tourny scene:
- Eradicators
- Heavy Intercessors
- Invader Quad

Not OP:
- The rest

Do you agree? And if yes, could you elaborate how this falls into predatory marketing that 2 out of ~45 Primaris (give or take with Chapter specific units) datasheets weren't balanced, when we look at the releases of the last 4ish years?


Because that's what a white knighting shill would say, everyone know GW are out to mug your nan, steal your dinner money and murder your cat. They actively make stocks of other factions and models that haven't been released for years, line them up in front of fans and melt them down to make marine lieutenants, because that's what their shareholders are paid in. Lieutenant's.

Any evidence you can put forwards that marines are reasonable in any capacity is because you're bolter porn loving marine fan boy and will 100% buy 23 of every release.

GW spends so much on marketing to make children enter debt before even reaching adult hood, soon there'll be a wave of children roaming the streets with maxed out credit cards looking for scraps of sprue to snort.

But it's OK. The 3d print revolution is here, once they've scratched together enough living on the streets, they can plug in a printer and have all the armies they want basically free while giving the bird to GW, only to then be banned from all events with GW backing, enter a spiral of hatred for themselves and finally melt their collections and jump into the fire as the source of their addictions goes bust and no longer provides materials for them to pirate. /s


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 11:33:23


Post by: Vatsetis


a_typical_hero wrote:
You guys are aware of the past 20 years of 40k and the constant balance hammer swings ever since?

This is nothing new and especially not something for Primaris.

Just for argument's sake:
Compare the Primaris units that are / were OP to every other release that isn't / wasn't.

OP:
- Aggressors
- Eliminators

Units people discussed as OP but never made any big showing on the tourny scene:
- Eradicators
- Heavy Intercessors
- Invader Quad

Not OP:
- The rest

Do you agree? And if yes, could you elaborate how this falls into predatory marketing that 2 out of ~45 Primaris (give or take with Chapter specific units) datasheets weren't balanced, when we look at the releases of the last 4ish years?


What an espectacular way of missing the point


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 11:44:53


Post by: Tyel


a_typical_hero wrote:
Do you agree? And if yes, could you elaborate how this falls into predatory marketing that 2 out of ~45 Primaris (give or take with Chapter specific units) datasheets weren't balanced, when we look at the releases of the last 4ish years?


Its partly why its such a good video. Whether intentionally or not, it works as both a send up of GW's marketing, and also a send up of GW's critics.

I feel I should go dig through the history on Heavy Intercessor commentary - because they seemed "meh" on the stats, people online seemed to think they'd somehow completely change the game (2 S5 AP-1 shots for 28 points? How will everyone cope?) and then... well are obviously just kind of crap.

I think Eradicators were a problem - hence the nerf - but both they and the Mario Kart were left in the shade by MM attack bikes.

We can also throw in "Intercessors" being overpowered from Codex 2.0->Covid. Or maybe just write that whole era off as a thing that happened.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 11:52:38


Post by: Vatsetis


Tyel wrote:
a_typical_hero wrote:


Its partly why its such a good video. Whether intentionally or not, it works as both a send up of GW's marketing, and also a send up of GW's critics.

.


Agree.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 13:08:45


Post by: a_typical_hero


Vatsetis wrote:
What an espectacular way of missing the point

Please elaborate. Your stance in this thread - as I understood - is that GW engages in predatory marketing with it's releases. I explained that most of the Primaris releases were fine and don't support your stance. Where do I miss the point? Do you disagree with the list?


Maybe I'm lost in translation here, but isn't Tyel's post opposing your stance as well?



Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 13:56:58


Post by: Karol


Predatory is something one can get used to, it is less fun when they are inconsistent in what they do.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 14:00:55


Post by: phandaal


a_typical_hero wrote:
Vatsetis wrote:
What an espectacular way of missing the point

Please elaborate. Your stance in this thread - as I understood - is that GW engages in predatory marketing with it's releases. I explained that most of the Primaris releases were fine and don't support your stance. Where do I miss the point? Do you disagree with the list?


Maybe I'm lost in translation here, but isn't Tyel's post opposing your stance as well?



The point is that the video is just poking fun at a few aspects of the hobby.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 14:04:41


Post by: a_typical_hero


Karol wrote:
Predatory is something one can get used to, it is less fun when they are inconsistent in what they do.

The consistency with Primaris is that their releases are not predatory.

Even if we add Eradicator and Intercessor from 2.0 to the list. 4 out of ~45 datasheets.

 phandaal wrote:
The point is that the video is just poking fun at a few aspects of the hobby.

But here the point isn't just poking fun, is it?
Vatsetis wrote:
Well its not like GW invented predatory marketing with the Primaris... but they are certainly outstanding pupils in this regards.


P.S
Please beware of using the h-word around here. Some folks get scared to use it instead of specifying that you mean 40k.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 14:06:03


Post by: Karol


Excluding myself from the whole what is considered funny argument, there is a , from what I understand, a cultural aspect to humor. And things that are considered funny in one place, are not considered funny in another. Personal expiriance will have impact on the digestion of such a video clip too. For one person it may be a good laugh short, for another it will make them remember how they started the game, spend money and suddenly found out that post edition change the collection they bought is either illegal or really unfun to play with. With bonus points for covid times making it maybe impossible to ever have played with the army.


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a_typical_hero wrote:
Karol wrote:
Predatory is something one can get used to, it is less fun when they are inconsistent in what they do.

The consistency with Primaris is that their releases are not predatory.

Even if we add Eradicator and Intercessor from 2.0 to the list. 4 out of ~45 datasheets.

With primaris maybe. But I look at this from the only perspective I know of which is my own. And to me it looks very strange, that somehow GW is able to give good rules to termintors for DG, really good rules for DA, very good rules for 1ksons and then make the termintors for GK be extremly bad.

And because of the indominatus shortage here, marine players jumped on the MM bikes and Vanvets bandwagon way before it was done anywhere else.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 14:28:26


Post by: Vatsetis


a_typical_hero wrote:
Vatsetis wrote:
What an espectacular way of missing the point

Please elaborate. Your stance in this thread - as I understood - is that GW engages in predatory marketing with it's releases. I explained that most of the Primaris releases were fine and don't support your stance. Where do I miss the point? Do you disagree with the list?


Maybe I'm lost in translation here, but isn't Tyel's post opposing your stance as well?



Im really sorry for people like you that have turn euclidean logic into their own jail.

But in order to not being accuse of trolling I will "elaborate":

The video is a parody... Its an exageration of reality, thats why its funny... Even if you are formally correct that thosent mean you arent missing the point altogether... Jokes stop being funny when you explain them... You can make fun both of GW and its critics at the same time... Its difficult to explain to a blind person the difference between colors.


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a_typical_hero wrote:
Karol wrote:

P.S
Please beware of using the h-word around here. Some folks get scared to use it instead of specifying that you mean 40k.




I have no clue about what you are saying. Perhaps I was horribly rude, but I cant understand to whom or why?


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 14:44:30


Post by: a_typical_hero


I commented not on the video, but on your
Vatsetis wrote:
Well its not like GW invented predatory marketing with the Primaris... but they are certainly outstanding pupils in this regards.

Where do I miss your point? Do you not think that GW engages in predatory marketing, even though you stated it outright there?

Thanks for your effort, but I was capable of getting the nature of the video myself the first time when I watched it.

The h-word thing is a not so serious warning meant for phandaal. Some people get upset if you use the word "hobby" and "playing, collecting, painting 40k stuff" interchangably and will correct you that 40k is, in fact, not "the hobby".


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 14:53:41


Post by: Vatsetis


I was simply stating that GW has been doing predatory marketing for a long time... But that actually the Primaris are a good examples of such practices.

Its just my POV.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 14:55:27


Post by: a_typical_hero


Alright, so would you add more units to my initial list? Which one's do you see as problematic on their release?


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 14:59:58


Post by: Vatsetis


Its irrelevant... You are missing the point... You are like an American general insisting that in the Vietnam War they never lost a single battle.

On a more profound level its impossible for us to have a proper conversation because we lack a common mental framework... This is the zeitgeist of the XXI CENTURY.

Nevertheless If that make you feel better, your are formally right.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 15:05:37


Post by: Karol


a_typical_hero wrote:
Alright, so would you add more units to my initial list? Which one's do you see as problematic on their release?


Well what GW did to IH or RG was bit evil. Write rules so people buy eliminators, dreadnoughts, sniper intercessors while knowing very well that in less then 12 months they plan to not only bring out a new rule set, which will make the the units and the armies bad through a combination of core rules, army rules and unit rules changes. It is like the state making people exchange their coal furances, only to make them illegal 2 years later. People haven't even paid the loans to exchange the furances for more eco friendly ones, and they are already not legal to use. GW does stuff like that.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 15:15:22


Post by: Dudeface


Vatsetis wrote:
Its irrelevant... You are missing the point... You are like an American general insisting that in the Vietnam War they never lost a single battle.

On a more profound level its impossible for us to have a proper conversation because we lack a common mental framework... This is the zeitgeist of the XXI CENTURY.

Nevertheless If that make you feel better, your are formally right.


You're both wrong and right here?

I'm not sure anything about GW's marketing is inherently predatory, but likewise the power level at release isn't marketing. On the flip side the power level of marines didn't match up to the community marketing. Going by the threads on here people would be selling their firstborn (lol) for eradicators a year ago.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 15:23:52


Post by: a_typical_hero


Vatsetis wrote:
Its irrelevant... You are missing the point... You are like an American general insisting that in the Vietnam War they never lost a single battle.

On a more profound level its impossible for us to have a proper conversation because we lack a common mental framework... This is the zeitgeist of the XXI CENTURY.

Nevertheless If that make you feel better, your are formally right.
?
I don't care if I'm right. Maybe I'm wrong in my POV. That's why I am on a forum. I want to have a discussion with you to come to a "mutual agreement" on a point that we currently disagree with.
This really isn't 10 dimensional chess, so what are you on about not having the same mental framework? From this and other threads where you are involved, I get the feeling you put out your opinion, meet people who disagree with you and instead of engaging or conceding, you allude to some "hidden meaning" in your posts that nobody else is capable of understanding. And you don't want to explain it either.

The topic at hand is simple: If Primaris are a good example of predatory marketing, then it should be easy to name a substantial amount of their releases that have been straight better than the Primaris releases before them.
If we can't name them and most Primaris are fine, then we can say that this is not the case for them.

Karol wrote:
Well what GW did to IH or RG was bit evil. Write rules so people buy eliminators, dreadnoughts, sniper intercessors while knowing very well that in less then 12 months they plan to not only bring out a new rule set, which will make the the units and the armies bad through a combination of core rules, army rules and unit rules changes. ... GW does stuff like that.

The short lifecycle of SM 2.0 is something GW can and should be criticized about. Sniper intercessors were not a new release at that time, though and the Dreads that got used by IH were Firstborn. Both got reigned in somewhat by the Errata back then.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 15:45:02


Post by: Vatsetis


Well hero...its obvious you have reach a "mutual agreement" on your own terms... why do you need me explaining anything when its obvious that Im unable to explain anything?

When one side concedes the fight is over.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 16:14:06


Post by: Daedalus81


Vatsetis wrote:
Well hero...its obvious you have reach a "mutual agreement" on your own terms... why do you need me explaining anything when its obvious that Im unable to explain anything?

When one side concedes the fight is over.


So smarm. Much logic. Wow.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 16:58:18


Post by: Vatsetis


Its very easy to understand... Im not going to have a rigged "debate" inside the conceptual frame of people who just seek for self validation... It dosent matter if actually many Primaris units arent OP always... It dosent matter if GW giving a bonus to Erradicators actually made much better the firstborn attack bike... The intent of GW when creating this unit is very straight forward and it dosent have to br be done "perfectly"... The video hits the nail... Its a parody... Not a competitive 40K primaris tactics in depth article.

Humour cannot be explained to rules layers just like sound cannot be explained to and understand properly by deaf people.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 17:17:59


Post by: Thadin


Wait, I thought this was an arguement about Predatory Marketing, and not about humour?


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 17:30:00


Post by: Vatsetis


Well both of them got mixed... you know like in the "Primaris Gamebreakors" video.

I watch the video again... really funny... I give a thumbs up for it on YT also


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 17:32:03


Post by: Karol


a_typical_hero 800753 11214503 wrote:

The short lifecycle of SM 2.0 is something GW can and should be criticized about. Sniper intercessors were not a new release at that time, though and the Dreads that got used by IH were Firstborn. Both got reigned in somewhat by the Errata back then.


Have you seen IH or RG played in 9th, even at half the numbers they were played in at the end of 8th ed. You can't use a chaplain dread anymore, because it is in legends. Sniper boltguns were a thing pre 2.0, yes. And they were so bad that no one used them. GW knew that without the rules interaction they created and they knew in advance, unless they out source rules writing, people would invest in to the armies. If you make an option for an army to mass infiltrate stuff, promote it as a cool options and then people go off to buy very expensive kits, where one box doesn't even make one full unit, and then a few months later, you change the rules, then something is very much wrong. Because it does feel like false advertisment, specially when GW are the only ones that can change the rules for the game, they create.

Humour cannot be explained to rules layers just like sound cannot be explained to and understand properly by deaf people.

That is not true. You just take a speaker and put it against their body and turn it on full blast.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 17:47:23


Post by: Tawnis


princeyg wrote:
Wow, What a thread. Anyone even possibly consider the idea that the only motivation for this vid was to give people a good giggle??


Thank you!

Everyone always seems to be trying to overanalyze everything for eternity. Sometimes people just make something because they want to. Not saying there were no ulterior motives, but there's no way to know if there were either. We don't know him.

He seems so neutral most of the time, but he's got a really subtle sense of humor that I've always really liked. Has anyone else ever noticed that whenever he does an Ork video, he calls it Orkspecs Tactics. It's clearer in some videos that others, but he's always had a sense of humor about things, it's just never really front and center like it was with this.

Changing things up isn't necessarily a bad thing, I'm generally positive about 40k, but that doesn't mean I can't step back from that and take some well deserved shots at them from time to time. People are complex with complex opinions, it's not just black and white.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 20:02:12


Post by: a_typical_hero


Vatsetis wrote:
Its very easy to understand... Im not going to have a rigged "debate" inside the conceptual frame of people who just seek for self validation... It dosent matter if actually many Primaris units arent OP always... It dosent matter if GW giving a bonus to Erradicators actually made much better the firstborn attack bike... The intent of GW when creating this unit is very straight forward and it dosent have to br be done "perfectly"... The video hits the nail... Its a parody... Not a competitive 40K primaris tactics in depth article.

The bolded part matters a lot if you say the Primaris line is a good example of predatory marketing. You can even have those Eradicators as part of the OP list. Makes it 3 (in words "three") units so far out of ~45. Three releases in 4 years. 7% of Primaris releases. Or 93% of all releases haven't been OP enough to count as predatory. I think Primaris are a pretty bad example for this after all, aren't they?

So far your only contribution to this has been low key insults to my intelligence and you avoiding to present a counter argument or anything that would support your opinion. I don't think you have a point at all and that you are full of crap to be honest, dancing around engaging properly in a discussion and basically saying "I'm too smart to have a debate with you and I'm not even trying because you wouldn't understand it anyway".

I give you the benefit of the doubt one more time, though. If my way of judging (which is in line with how it is presented in the video, btw) wether Primaris have been part of a predatory marketing scheme is "rigged", please go ahead and tell me with what factors you measure them to come to your initial conclusion.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 20:29:43


Post by: SamusDrake


Brilliant!


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/08 23:49:19


Post by: Suzuteo


 JohnnyHell wrote:
 Suzuteo wrote:
 phandaal wrote:
Seems like people enjoy his video too, because it's got massively more viewers than any of his other recent stuff.

Given how many 40K channels got nuked off Youtube recently, I guess we're all thirsty for content.


So how many actually did? Seems like innuendo stated as fact.

Two channels that I sub are gone. And I feel like the ecosystem has definitely changed. A lot of people pre-empting any potential legal problems.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/09 05:36:51


Post by: Vatsetis


a_typical_hero wrote:
Vatsetis wrote:
Its very easy to understand... Im not going to have a rigged "debate" inside the conceptual frame of people who just seek for self validation... It dosent matter if actually many Primaris units arent OP always... It dosent matter if GW giving a bonus to Erradicators actually made much better the firstborn attack bike... The intent of GW when creating this unit is very straight forward and it dosent have to br be done "perfectly"... The video hits the nail... Its a parody... Not a competitive 40K primaris tactics in depth article.

The bolded part matters a lot if you say the Primaris line is a good example of predatory marketing. You can even have those Eradicators as part of the OP list. Makes it 3 (in words "three") units so far out of ~45. Three releases in 4 years. 7% of Primaris releases. Or 93% of all releases haven't been OP enough to count as predatory. I think Primaris are a pretty bad example for this after all, aren't they?

So far your only contribution to this has been low key insults to my intelligence and you avoiding to present a counter argument or anything that would support your opinion. I don't think you have a point at all and that you are full of crap to be honest, dancing around engaging properly in a discussion and basically saying "I'm too smart to have a debate with you and I'm not even trying because you wouldn't understand it anyway".

I give you the benefit of the doubt one more time, though. If my way of judging (which is in line with how it is presented in the video, btw) wether Primaris have been part of a predatory marketing scheme is "rigged", please go ahead and tell me with what factors you measure them to come to your initial conclusion.


The target of the predatory marketing arround Primaris are not the WAAC MetaChasser crowd that will inmediatly identify the product to exploit and therefore purchase or replicate some esoteric FW model.

The new, shiny, and aparrently good Primaris units are targeted towards a much more casual player base.

There is absolutely no need (and it would be even detrimental for GW) if all new Primaris units where indeed OP.

And just for the sake of clarificatio n. PRIMARIS IS NOT SYNONYM with PREDATORY (but SOME primaris units can be an excellent vessel for GW predatory tactics).


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/09 09:10:01


Post by: a_typical_hero


So it is less about the performance of the unit ruleswise for you and more about "you NEED this hype" created by WarCom articles and Twitch model preview videos?

Edit:
Could you give a concrete example, please?


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/09 10:09:09


Post by: Vatsetis


Yep.

Examples... Well the last intro box... Erradicators, Blade Guards looked very OP on release date.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/09 10:20:29


Post by: Karol


OP must have a different meaning in different places then. Because with problems with actually getting the models put aside, the attack bikes and vanvets were always better. Specially when apothecaries could resurect an attack bike. They weren't even that good for specific marine armies. The actually OP at release salamanders had aggresors as core of their army, and not eradictors. Even before the nerf done by GW, people were no longer spaming them.

There is a difference between being OP and being good. Eradictors have melta weapons and melta weapons, are or were good at the start of 9th. But they are no where near the level of the stuff which was really OP, like flame salamanders aggresors pre nerf, infinite attack succubi and the AD mecha chickens being core. eradictors were considered OP, because people who don't play marines often, see anything marines have as bad for the game, too good etc.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/09 13:06:37


Post by: amanita


 JohnnyHell wrote:
 Suzuteo wrote:
 phandaal wrote:
Seems like people enjoy his video too, because it's got massively more viewers than any of his other recent stuff.

Given how many 40K channels got nuked off Youtube recently, I guess we're all thirsty for content.


So how many actually did? Seems like innuendo stated as fact.


And here is the opinion of some actual YouTube content creators...







Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/09 14:25:34


Post by: phandaal


 Suzuteo wrote:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
 Suzuteo wrote:
 phandaal wrote:
Seems like people enjoy his video too, because it's got massively more viewers than any of his other recent stuff.

Given how many 40K channels got nuked off Youtube recently, I guess we're all thirsty for content.


So how many actually did? Seems like innuendo stated as fact.

Two channels that I sub are gone. And I feel like the ecosystem has definitely changed. A lot of people pre-empting any potential legal problems.


Valrak said on his stream the other day that he'd just stop making videos if GW gave him trouble because it's not worth his time to fight them in order to make fan content.

He's a self-admitted GW fanboy as well.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/22 23:03:04


Post by: stonehorse


Great video, and for me encapsulates why I don't play current 40K.

Also...

This thread has taken a very odd direction based on what is blatantly a funny video.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/09/25 06:54:53


Post by: jeff white


 stonehorse wrote:
Great video, and for me encapsulates why I don't play current 40K.

Also...

This thread has taken a very odd direction based on what is blatantly a funny video.

Dakka Dakka!!


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 amanita wrote:
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 JohnnyHell wrote:
 Suzuteo wrote:
 phandaal wrote:
Seems like people enjoy his video too, because it's got massively more viewers than any of his other recent stuff.

Given how many 40K channels got nuked off Youtube recently, I guess we're all thirsty for content.


So how many actually did? Seems like innuendo stated as fact.


And here is the opinion of some actual YouTube content creators...
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Thanks for the link.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/10/01 03:15:02


Post by: ChiliPowderKeg


Pretty funny video. A bit difficult to listen due to unintentional "asmr noises" or whatever they're specifically called

Reminded me a lot of this old gem



Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/10/01 03:39:24


Post by: yukishiro1


"Two for the price of three" made me lol, I have to admit.


Primaris Gamebreakors!! @ 2021/10/03 10:14:48


Post by: AngryAngel80


 Irbis wrote:
This whole video was unfunny drivel. Hello, it's not 2019 and 8th edition anymore, SM are no longer any good, and seeing top 3 armies currently are harlequins, deldar, and admech, this would have any semblance to reality if it was Eldaris Gamebreakors. To make this gak even dumber, in last three years NOT A SINGLE primaris unit was in any way OP (if you squint hard you might point at pre-nerf eradicators, but even then quad las contemptor and melta attack bike were strictly better, just rare on tables because few people own them). Every single 'OP' unit SM recently fielded was squat, be it van vets, sang guard, DW termies, ravenwing, FW pay to win gak, smash jump/bike captains, sternguard, etc, etc, anyone sees anything primaris in here? Hell, GW largely destroyed the point of primaris by giving squats W2, an insane move if all you wanted was promotion of new models.

And the best part is, that shot his own foot by completely annihilating that joke of an ""argument"" showing reivers. Premier primaris unit that GW would love to sell more of, but their rules had always been terrible. It's like flat earther video showing globe then photo of earth from space not noticing it makes anything that come before it downright comical. The whole thing feels like rant of some salty 4chan troll who complains about his own strawman, not what is actually happening.

 Suzuteo wrote:
That said, it is surprising to see something like this from him specifically because it is a jarring tonal shift. You can be cynical and say that he was neutral before and negative now due to self-interest, but you cannot deny that even in the microcosm of this thread, a negative attitude does not seem to win you many admirers.

He did parrot 4chan nonsense before. It was just hard to spot because 95% of "content" he "makes" is copy-pasted from WarhammerCompetitive, place where people complain about rules, not models. It was hard to spot but it was there.



I think we can all agree you not only missed the point, but it flew right past you and set us up the bomb. Now, we have no chance to survive and must make our time to launch every zig. For great justice.