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First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 04:36:08


Post by: ninjafiredragon


I just got my first invoice from GW for warhammer +, and it made me think, has the first month been worth it?

For now I am saying yes. Frankly I only subscribed for the animations, so what did my ~$6 buy me? One month gave 9 total full length episodes of animation, and for the most part I am mostly pleased here. Angels of Death, while not quite at the Astartes level of speed and cleanliness, is a comparable animation I feel. And I either had a good chuckle or was sufficiently creeped out by Hammer and Bolter.

Also, while I did not sign up for either the battle reports or painting tutorials, I did end up watching most of them and was also pleasantly surprised. I thought the bapreps, while a little cheesy, were at least well produced and for the most part enjoyable to watch. Painting tutorials were also not bad.

Anyways, Ill be keeping my subscription for the next month, but if content starts lacking in quantity/quality, I will reconsider.

How is everyone else feeling about their subscription?


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 05:08:08


Post by: Wyldhunt


Pretty much agree with you on all points, ninjafiredragon. I'm mostly here for the animations, but the other content is a nice touch. I was hoping there would be more animations on release, but I'm willing to give it a few more months and see how I feel.

Whether or not I stick around will largely depend on how much and what kind of new content they add over the next few months.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 05:15:39


Post by: Aash


I think the idea of Warhammer+ is quite interesting, but I haven't subscribed and don't plan to any time soon.

Its just too expensive for me for what it is. Maybe that is down to the way it was marketed, but it is presented as primarily a streaming service akin to netflix/Amazon Prime/Disney+ and when compared to those it is seriously lacking in content.

I can't see myself subscribing in the near future, especially with the release schedule for the channel. Maybe in a year or so if the channel is still around there will be enough of a back catalogue to pique my interest, but even then I expect that I would subscribe for a month, and in that month be able to watch everything they have that interests me, then cancel the subscription.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 06:50:34


Post by: Marshal Loss


Still just as disinterested as I was before. Glad you folks are enjoying it.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 07:04:20


Post by: Dysartes


 ninjafiredragon wrote:
One month gave 9 total full length episodes of animation, and for the most part I am mostly pleased here.

What sort of episode duration are we talking here?


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 07:17:44


Post by: Templarted


I was pleasantly surprised at the animations that came free with the vindicare assassin.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 08:13:36


Post by: tneva82


Well. It's basically about 1e/month for me for animation, vault and apps. For that price I'm not expecting world shattering content and it has exceeded minimimum requirement for that price.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 08:22:05


Post by: tauist


Too basic for me, canceled last week. AoD didnt live up to the expectations I had after watching Helsreach, sadly. Will however consider resubscribing for a month here and there if I feel like enough bingeworthy content has manifested between periods of unsubscribement.

I'd probably keep the sub if I was playing a lot of 40K just to get access to the app. But now with KT21 and all, there's no need



First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 08:24:46


Post by: Slipspace


Didn't subscribe initially as I wanted to wait and see what the ongoing release schedule was like. Reports of no new animation last week have made me even less likely to subscribe. If we're a month in and they're already skimping on the animations that's a worrying sign for me.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 08:28:18


Post by: Eldarsif


I am enjoying what we get, but I do feel like they could be releasing more videos because as it stands it does feel like a trickle. However, the Warhammer Vault and the app I am enjoying so I do feel like I am getting enough for what I paid.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 08:50:02


Post by: SamusDrake


Still not interested.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 08:56:23


Post by: Bago


 Eldarsif wrote:
I am enjoying what we get, but I do feel like they could be releasing more videos because as it stands it does feel like a trickle. However, the Warhammer Vault and the app I am enjoying so I do feel like I am getting enough for what I paid.


This pretty much mirrors my sentiment. I dont expect too much, its pretty cheap, when substracting the mini. But the animations are a bit thi at this point


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 10:13:02


Post by: jaredb


I have been making use of the vault and apps, so those plus the videos have made me quite happy with my subscription so far.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 10:19:03


Post by: Da Boss


Not really interested but I'm for sure not the target market so that doesn't surprise me. I hope it's worth it for subscribers.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 11:01:45


Post by: hobojebus


Still don't care, still don't know anybody personally that's subbed to it.



First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 15:18:06


Post by: Andilus Greatsword


I've been happy with WH+ but I agree that the weekly content is thin. That said, everything they do release on a week-to-week basis is well-worth it for me. The most recent episode of Angels of Death in particular was amazing. I don't really give a damn about the Astartes melodrama but the action scenes are cool and the big space battle we got last week with the Hive Fleet was incredible.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 15:53:58


Post by: PenitentJake


I'm okay with my sub- mostly because after the Miniature, the sub for a year discount and the voucher, it works out to three cups of coffee a month.

I like what I've watched.

But I did expect and H&B and an AoD every week. GW didn't deliver that. If had cost more than 3 cups of coffee, I'd be a bit disappointed.

But it didn't, so we're good.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 15:59:06


Post by: Tawnis


I was really on the fence about subbing and in the end I decided not to.

I was really excited when I heard that they were going to release old books as part of Warhammer + and was all stoked to try some old codices and editions of the game until I realized it was just a bunch of old WD, which while not bad, was certainly a disappointment.

I was excited about the models too, but I already have a Vindicare and don't play AoS, so was a pass there.

As for the shows, I figured I could always sub in the future and just binge them.

I get a better discount from my FLGS than that voucher would give me, so no point there.

For Batreps, I can't even keep up with the YT content creators I like to support, so I wouldn't have time to watch even more.

For painting, I might have watched some, however I've already established a painting style that I really like and don't want to change it up to drastically, so I'm not sure how much I'd gain from that.

So for me, still a no, but if they did something like release the old RT rulebook for WH+ or next year's models were something that I really wanted, I'd strongly reconsider.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 16:05:54


Post by: Mezmorki


 Dysartes wrote:
 ninjafiredragon wrote:
One month gave 9 total full length episodes of animation, and for the most part I am mostly pleased here.

What sort of episode duration are we talking here?


Right now, there are 3 episodes of Hammer & Bolter (about 15-19 minutes long each) and 5 episodes of Angles Death (about 17 minutes each).

I enjoy the shows but I'm under no illusion that the price is worth it from a volume of content standpoint. Obviously the market that's interested in this is really small compared to other streaming services - but there just isn't much content on there and who knows how long it will take to get enough volume to justify if it as a subscription service.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 17:07:17


Post by: ccs


Well, I don't need a chunky AoS ork or another Vindicare Assassin.
I don't want to use their app, I can watch batreps/painting tutorials etc for free if I want, and I've never really had any interest in 40k animation.
The $ this would cost me is better spent at Starbucks.

But we'll see what minis they try & tempt me with next year.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 17:17:13


Post by: hobojebus


If anything they'd of been better off letting you pick from existing models.

I've no use for an assassin model or the orc, had they offered a deep discount on a large model for each faction it would of had broader appeal.



First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 18:00:29


Post by: El Torro


I've actually just signed up on a whim now. The main reason being that I like the look of the Vindicare Assassin so I decided to pay for 1 year and I'll get the model at the end of my subscription.

A £20 voucher to use on the GW website would perhaps have been a better deal. There are always going to be some people who don't like the models on offer so an exclusive model would never have pleased everyone. Still, I'm just glad it wasn't a Primaris Lieutenant.

Having had a quick look at what's on offer I went straight to the Vault. Nice little perk, though not sure how much use I will have for it. Good to see that White Dwarf is on there. The most recent edition I could find was from July 2021, so I guess the plan is to wait a couple of months before putting any new White Dwarfs in the Vault. Quite handy for me as I am often interested in one or two articles from a White Dwarf but often don't bother buying it just for the little bits I'm interested in.

I'm actually just watching a battle report now. Nice video editing, though as others have said there's no shortage of fun battle reports on Youtube.

I haven't checked out the animations yet but I'll be sure to do that. No rush since I've signed up for a year and don't expect new updates to come thick and fast.

The Warhammer 40,000 App and Age of Sigmar App are also included as part of this subscription. Not sure how much of a bonus that is, since the feedback I've seen so far is that you might as well just use Battlescribe. Hopefully the app gets better over time and it becomes a real perk.

From my very quick first impression I'm not disappointed to drop £49.99 on a Vindicare Assassin plus digital extras. I'm not expecting to get the same value as I would from a Netflix or Amazon Prime subscription, but I think anyone who would expect that is being unrealistic as the market for GW products is a lot smaller. If that means you don't subscribe then so be it, to each their own.


Oh, one more thing. Checking my account it looks like my account is set to auto renew in 1 year's time. I can't see a way to switch off the auto renew. A bit annoying, though GW is not the first company to use this tactic.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 18:06:58


Post by: DemonEyesJason


There isn't an option for me to vote, but I'd say, I'm disappointed so far, but I subbed for a year so I'm locked in for now.

I mostly just did the whole year because of the credit on the webstore and getting it cheaper for $12 for the whole year. I mostly did it as I knew I wanted the Warboss model and that would be about $35 so I figured I'd get about $25 out of it. So far I haven't seen enough to get me to log onto the account. Eventually like when the Exodite starts. Angel of Death hasn't interested me at all since they started showing off the animations.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 18:20:37


Post by: Overread


The poll results are really interesting because it sort of shows that there isn't enough of Warhammer+ to draw in people who weren't initially interested, however at the same time those who are joined up are showing that they generally want to remain.

This is potentially a good position to be in, not the best position by any means, but its not a disaster. It means whoever GW has right now (at least by this poll so far) they are very likely to keep them for at least the 12 month period. So any they likely gain over that time are more likely to be retained.

In theory this means all they have to do is either maintain what they have to keep what they have; or start looking at the group that isn't happy and start seeing what patterns they can identify and then see what they can add to appease segments of that group without losing what they've already go.


All in all it should mean that the Warhammer+ userbase continues to grow and not bleed customers.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 18:38:18


Post by: El Torro


 Overread wrote:
The poll results are really interesting because it sort of shows that there isn't enough of Warhammer+ to draw in people who weren't initially interested, however at the same time those who are joined up are showing that they generally want to remain.

This is potentially a good position to be in, not the best position by any means, but its not a disaster. It means whoever GW has right now (at least by this poll so far) they are very likely to keep them for at least the 12 month period. So any they likely gain over that time are more likely to be retained.

In theory this means all they have to do is either maintain what they have to keep what they have; or start looking at the group that isn't happy and start seeing what patterns they can identify and then see what they can add to appease segments of that group without losing what they've already go.


All in all it should mean that the Warhammer+ userbase continues to grow and not bleed customers.


Personally I am hoping that it's early days yet and Warhammer+ will only get stronger (and better value) as the months go by. I assume a lot of other subscribers are thinking the same. If that doesn't happen then I can see a lot of subscribers cancelling once they have received their miniature.

GW will probably throw out another incentive in a year's time, whether it's more exclusive miniatures or something else. This might be enough on its own to get people to renew, or it might not be.

I'm as hopeful as anyone that Warhammer+ will be a long term success (or at least successful enough to keep offering it to consumers), but I think it's too early to draw any meaningful conclusions at the moment.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 19:50:20


Post by: The Phazer


I subbed for the year upfront regardless, it was pretty cheap given the voucher and model. So they have a year.

Having said that, the vault client is awful, and the content pretty poor, and there's definitely not enough video to make up for that.

So things will have to shape up for the second year.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 20:14:22


Post by: bullyboy


Poll needs updating.
Im disappointed but not unsubscribing just yet.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 20:55:52


Post by: mrFickle


My 2 pence:

Taken me weeks to figure out how to convert my subscription from the 40K app to Warhammer plus. I found the answer on Reddit. This is doing it via my phone and not on a computer. But the user guidance isn’t good at all of doing it via Apple subscription.

So far I have watched 3 episodes of angels of death and I think it’s pretty good actually. A good start and good grim dark way to kick off. We will see how the story plays out.

I watched 1 of the masterclass videos and I think it’s really good, the painting skin one. I think it provides a lot more detail that was missing from the previous citadel videos. It also covers techniques using things GW don’t sell like a wet pallet.

However there isn’t much content when compared to an equivalent streaming service but of course you get the other apps and the free mini which would have a 20-30 quid price.

So overall i can’t say I’m disappointed because it’s sort of what I expected but overall I think they should have made more content for release because we don’t want early adopters to be drip fed.

I remember when Netflix first started and I thought it was good but watched everything worth watching and then it was so slow for new things to be added that I wanted to watch so I cancelled for years and came back when it was loaded with content. I’d rather not have to do the same thing here.

Hopefully there is enough new stuff to feel like it’s worth the monthly sun and I think value will rally be established after 12 months and once we’ve had our freebie


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/28 21:00:41


Post by: StrayIight


I think it's poor. And I'm surprised by the number of voices that are upbeat about what is available on there for the price.

That isn't meant to be an attack on anyone, I completely understand that what I see as value isn't the same as what another person might. The vault section for example, I never looked at, and couldn't care less for - other people are getting a lot out of that.

Myself, I saw the service (perhaps erroneously) as a streaming service whose content was focused around Warhammer. I think in that aspect, it's let down. There is very little content to watch right now, which is unique and appealing. It's telling when a good portion of the videos on the service are trailers or content which is available elsewhere. That content does absolutely seem to only be present as filler.

The bat-reps were really quite nice in terms of production value, but in terms of content I've gotten more out of free offerings on YouTube. The painting tutorials I can see appealing to many, but again, there is far better available for free elsewhere, and those included (understandably) continue to prop-up the Citadel/GW/'Eavy Metal system of miniature painting. As a passionate painter, that system can be something of a trap many get locked into, and there is a universe of techniques and mediums beyond it.

I'm comparing then, perhaps unfairly, the video content on offer with that of other streaming services that I use. Probably the most apt is Shudder, as it too, is a smaller, niche service for a similar price. It contains 100's of hours of professionally produced, classic and modern viewing for that price however, whereas WH+ simply does not.

I've unsubscribed, but I'd be keen to revisit it in 6 months time to see how things stand. Right now, I can't see the value for me. I am genuinely glad that there are people who love it and are getting a lot from their sub. It's these folk who are giving it the chance to blossom into something bigger and better.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/29 00:43:20


Post by: NinthMusketeer


I spent $6, got $6 worth of stuff. Not bad, not great either.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/29 02:10:31


Post by: Eldarain


If I wanted one of the models and wanted to use the apps I would have gotten it.

As I currently don't, I'm happy to wait for the content to get filled out.

I can totally understand that it's been an acceptable arrangement for those who did want the ancillary elements to the streaming content.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/29 14:00:37


Post by: Andilus Greatsword


One of the things that interests me about where WH+ goes in the future is the fact that GW have made this an umbrella service of sorts. Even if the animations become too expensive to continue putting out (which I can potentially see happening, I don't know if I foresee them putting out 15 min animations on a weekly basis for years), GW is still going to have years of digital White Dwarf issues which (as far as I'm aware) were not available until now. Maybe they'll finally start transitioning digital codices/rules into the apps.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/29 16:18:55


Post by: Stormonu


Had no interest in it, and after watching the free episode, still have no interest in it.

I like things like Astartes, the animated Helsreach and other things I've run across on Youtube, have subscriptions to Netflix (various sci-fi), Disney+ (Star Wars/Marvel) and Paramount (Star Trek/Picard) streaming service, but none of GW's Warhammer+ offerings are things I would consider worth paying for.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/29 20:56:46


Post by: Dolnikan


I have Netflix and Disney+, so don't see any need for subscribing to another streaming service, let alone one that has a very limited range of content and even more so one that doesn't have anything I would watch even if it was for free.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/29 21:24:29


Post by: Nevelon


I’d have preferred it with a little more weekly content. But I’m watching more than I thought I was. I’m not a big video battle report person classically, and don’t watch a lot of painting tutorials, unless I’m after something very specific. With them being there, I’m watching them as they drop and enjoying them.

I subbed for the year. But even if I was monthly I’d keep at it. The price is below my threshold, and I’m generally a penny pincher. Looking forward to the mini, can find a use for the voucher, poked around the app/vault.

Cost for entertainment is within bounds. Could it be better? Yup. And I hope it does improve. I’ll keep watching.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/29 21:27:12


Post by: drbored


I'm pretty pleased with it. I think that as time goes on, and more and more content gets added, it'll become more of a no-brainer to sub, even if just for a month to watch the content you're interested in and then unsub.

Like when the Blood Angels series is finished, or whatever the Astartes-maker is making gets put up. The Citadel Masterclass is steadily adding more content.

I think there's a LOT of people that are overreacting to a lack of animation this week, as if they'd been waiting for today to start spewing bile. I think those sorts of reactions are just idiotic. If you don't want to sub, don't sub. So far I'm pleased with it.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/30 10:48:55


Post by: hobojebus


If all people do is join for a month and binge then it's doomed.

Server farms are not cheap to run, you need machines on 24/7 you are paying utilities not just to run the servers but the cooling sysyem, you need substantial bandwidth.

It's why Netflix spends billions constantly making new shows, if they don't people leave.

Long term a few painting vids, battle reports and 1 animation a week will not keep people paying.



First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/30 10:56:01


Post by: Overread


hobojebus wrote:

Long term a few painting vids, battle reports and 1 animation a week will not keep people paying.



And that's why GW bundled in the apps for both their core games (and I would wager given time, they will bundle in apps for their specialist games too).
And the vault
And the vouches
And the models.


Streaming animations and videos is only one part of this service. Sure if its the only part you want then binging every few months is likely a good call; however GW clearly intends to make it more than just a streaming service. Perhaps when they started it it began as only a streaming service and then the points you raised were noted. The actual costs would looked at and they changed course a bit and rolled other elements into the final plan to make it more attractive to remain a subscriber over just binging every few months.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/30 11:49:24


Post by: Dai


Bery pleasantly suprised. Will continue to sub


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/30 18:38:53


Post by: Boringstuff


Subscribed last month and just paid for second month, but only read some of the 7th ed lore in the "vault". I am only sticking around to get the £10 voucher atm.

Side note, who wrote that garbage?! Clearly not any of the good Black Library authors...


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/30 20:18:11


Post by: Daedalus81


 Dolnikan wrote:
I have Netflix and Disney+, so don't see any need for subscribing to another streaming service, let alone one that has a very limited range of content and even more so one that doesn't have anything I would watch even if it was for free.


*shrug* I have Disney+. I've only watched it for Marvel and Mandalorian. Oh...and Gargoyles and Gummi Bears...

It goes largely unused compared to HBO Max or Prime, but I still keep it. WH+ is super cheap ( for the first year ) by comparison, because I want that model.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/09/30 21:29:05


Post by: jullevi


My verdict: not great, terrible.

I set my expectations pretty low given that GW doesn't have a good track record with ongoing support of products or anything digital. Events that led to Warhammer+ made it feel like a rushed job and I expected them to run out of pre-made content quite soon and looks like I wasn't wrong. Then again, a new episode of animation every week for a year was never a realistic goal either. I am a sucker for exclusive miniatures and I wanted to give GW a chance with W+ and ended up getting a one year sub. In case W+ had turned out to be a complete dumpster fire, at least I could experience it first hand and form my own unbiased opinion. Also, one year sub is peanuts in my hobby budget and equals to one less miniature to my pile of shame. Or two more because I intend to pick both exclusive models

I have been positively surprised by the quality of content even if there hasn't been much of it. If I look back one year from now, I think I have gotten my money's worth or most likely forgotten that I paid anything in the first place. I won't bother claiming anyone else that W+ is worth it, I'll leave it for everyone to decide themselves.

For me, the most disappointing thing about Warhammer+ is not the lack of content but the fact that it highlights GW's digital inability. Warhammer+ could have been a service that connects everything but we still have videos hosted on at least five different sources and official products sold on four(?) websites.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/01 09:40:18


Post by: hobojebus


 Overread wrote:
hobojebus wrote:

Long term a few painting vids, battle reports and 1 animation a week will not keep people paying.



And that's why GW bundled in the apps for both their core games (and I would wager given time, they will bundle in apps for their specialist games too).
And the vault
And the vouches
And the models.


Streaming animations and videos is only one part of this service. Sure if its the only part you want then binging every few months is likely a good call; however GW clearly intends to make it more than just a streaming service. Perhaps when they started it it began as only a streaming service and then the points you raised were noted. The actual costs would looked at and they changed course a bit and rolled other elements into the final plan to make it more attractive to remain a subscriber over just binging every few months.


The apps will be barely functioning garbage.

I don't care about the vault even a little.

Neither model has any value to me.

And I can save more money going to another retailer that does a 20% discount than I can buying direct with the voucher.

Literally the only thing of any interest was the animation and after seeing old one eye there isn't even that anymore.

And from reading other people's posts I know I'm not alone in this stance.

There's no value to warhammer plus.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/01 13:12:26


Post by: BertBert


Feel free to use my voucher code, I don't buy directly from GW:

Spoiler:
11a23402


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/02 14:50:26


Post by: CMLR


 BertBert wrote:
Feel free to use my voucher code, I don't buy directly from GW:

Spoiler:
11a23402


Thank you for sharing it, but once entering it, GW says that there is a problem registering the voucher. Either it was already reclaimed or it can only can be reclaimed by German accounts, since it does not say "it has already be claimed". That or you put it wrong, but I doubt that.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/03 09:51:02


Post by: AngryAngel80


Didn't care before and from hearing of it, still don't care. Maybe one day but honestly I don't live all things warhammer so probably it isn't my thing.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/04 11:19:29


Post by: KoalaSnok


I subbed for a year as I, like many others, figured the cost was small enough when accounting for the model, voucher and yearly discount (even though i may end up not even using the voucher due to other retailers already being cheaper). I had watched the free preview of Old Bale Eye and actually enjoyed it quite a bit. Nothing stellar, but fairly enjoyable. I knew full well that the content would be sparse. What really disappointed me was the quality of Angels of Death. I'm surprised to see so many people praising it. The animation quality is so low its almost laughable in some scenes. The combat scenes look stilty and make no sense (gsc swarming a squad of 4-5 astartes but just running past 2 of them so they can talk to each other and lazily chop down one at a time, exploding space vessels looking like they're from some 90's game). I must say that i vastly prefer the Hammer and Bolter animations to AoD.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/04 14:14:45


Post by: ClockworkZion


I got what I paid for. Would I like to have more? Sure. I've already hit up Wade on Twitter with feedback about Loremasters (good presentation, not long enough to give good coverage on the topic, if you feel you have to stick to 30 mins or less an episode consider breaking it up over a series of episodes rather than skipping large chunks of the lore) and I really like Hammer and Bolter. The heavy line animation style reminds me of the MiB animated series (along with Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot, Extreme Ghostbusters, Godzilla and probably some more I'm forgetting) but I swear I feel a bit of an Aeon Flux influence too, but maybe that's reaching. Obviously they are using budget saving techniques seen in anime and Hanna Barbera cartoons, but I don't think that's a bad thing. After all they're being made on a deadline by small teams and GW isn't throwing infinite money at them.

Angels of Death is definitely being held up by it's writing. It feels like the animation could have stood to have more time being rendered, but I don't hate it either. At least it's not worse than Beast Wars or other 3d cartoons of that era.

The vault is one I'm on the fence about. While I get why they're pulling old rules out of the issues (basically to prevent from confusing people) I worry that they'll also pull the conversion and scratchbuild tutorials out too. I recently re-found an old article from 03/04 talking about how to cut and repose the new Tactical Marines to get more variety out of the kit and shared it on Twitter because I'm sure the techniques could be applied to Primaris for those looking to shake up their squads a bit more. So I want stuff like that to stay around, but who knows if it will.

As for the apps, they're getting better, but man they have a massive bias against them after that botched 40k app launch. Also I know plenty of people who have said that if they paywall the AoS warscrolls they'll just stop paying to use the app and get the stuff elsewhere. Free warscrolls was a good standard for the game and it's something that 40k should be doing too, but GW seems to want to hide all that info in the apps, and potentially behind a paywall which is stupid. Lowering the barrier to entry on rules only increases sales, not lessens them. Heck, it's been over a month since I started working on Grey Knights and I still can't legally obtain a codex.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/04 15:02:10


Post by: Dysartes


 ClockworkZion wrote:
Heck, it's been over a month since I started working on Grey Knights and I still can't legally obtain a codex.

I'm surprised they've sold out of Codex Grey Knights in the US - how bizarre.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/04 15:12:10


Post by: ClockworkZion


 Dysartes wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
Heck, it's been over a month since I started working on Grey Knights and I still can't legally obtain a codex.

I'm surprised they've sold out of Codex Grey Knights in the US - how bizarre.

I was as well. It might have to do with them redoing their inventory system but honestly it's a bit frustrating to not be able to get the rules to anything in your army from the company that makes said army.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/04 22:51:17


Post by: Andilus Greatsword


Kinda too bad that the WH+ voucher has to be spent before the end of the month, I was hoping to get a squad of Sacresants with the voucher but they're still out of stock online... Maybe I'll get some Arco-flagellants or a Culexus Assassin instead ($20 CAD off actually makes GW's overpriced character sculpts have a reasonable cost).


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/05 19:34:08


Post by: oni


I'm really enjoying WH+.

I think the price point is fair. The content is good enough for me. The Angels of Death series is fantastic. The battle reports are better than anything else out there. The painting masterclass is done very well. I do not have anything negative to say about WH+.

I suspect that once there's a lot more content more people will sign up.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/05 21:35:07


Post by: Cheex


I get up earlier than my wife on weekends, so I'm quite enjoying WH+ animations and Loremaster episodes as my "Saturday morning cartoon" with a few slices of toast and a coffee. It's a bit of dumb fun.

The painting vids are excellent. Louise is extremely charismatic and I love the way she explains everything. I've only attempted the "painting pale faces" technique so far, and after tweaking the method to fit my style (and available paints) a bit better, I am happy with the results.

The battle reports are some of the best quality available. I wouldn't sub to WH+ just for them, but I'm not complaining that they're there either.

The Vault is so close. It needs options for organisation (e.g. "show only WD", "sort by release date", etc.), and I would love to see an "article search" function (e.g. so I could pull up all Blanchitsu articles across all issues, etc.) and a "universal bookmark" feature (save bookmarks in an issue and be able to access any of them from a central place). It's fine overall, but not exactly useful yet IMHO.

I've already used my voucher and I'm looking forward to the Vindicare.

Overall, for a few bucks a month, it's fine. It's not blowing my socks off, but it's been worth it for me.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/06 06:23:00


Post by: mrFickle


How do you access the vault??


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/06 07:13:38


Post by: tneva82


mrFickle wrote:
How do you access the vault??


https://warhammer-vault.com/


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/07 00:27:19


Post by: FezzikDaBullgryn


Am I wrong or is 95% of the content on WH+ available for free else where? Not even suggesting pirated, but like Youtube? They are billing this as an animation platform right? With only 4 shows? Also is it true that their shows have decided to, are now taking a month long break? As in the monthly streaming service for animations that only has 4 shows has nothing new for at least 1 month?


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/07 01:05:36


Post by: PenitentJake


The exact content in WH+ is mostly exclusive.

Blood Angels is taking a break, but Hammer and Bolter is filling the void.

Battle Reports and painting tutorials and lore videos are all over the net, but not the ones on WH+.

So far, I think there's 5 AoDs, 4 H&Bs, 5 batreps and 5 painting videos- that or somewhere in that neighbourhood.

They showcased the AoS Neave series too, but I think that's not coming til the new year.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/09 18:54:43


Post by: FezzikDaBullgryn


PenitentJake wrote:
The exact content in WH+ is mostly exclusive.

Blood Angels is taking a break, but Hammer and Bolter is filling the void.

Battle Reports and painting tutorials and lore videos are all over the net, but not the ones on WH+.

So far, I think there's 5 AoDs, 4 H&Bs, 5 batreps and 5 painting videos- that or somewhere in that neighbourhood.

They showcased the AoS Neave series too, but I think that's not coming til the new year.


So the battle reports and painting tutorials, who are they by? As I understood it from my local, the bat reps are full of errors, and the painting guides are just of models that no one can paint yet because they haven't been released yet. Not really selling the sub here are we?


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/09 19:07:39


Post by: Overread


The last guide I saw was painting gemstones on a wraithlord for Eldar. I think the whole "painting is useless as the models aren't out yet" is 100% overblown and just people either venting about not having models that they want yet or looking for something to complain about.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/09 21:26:21


Post by: Nevelon


The painting is more general techniques, not step-by-steps for specific models. It could be that the specific minis used were not out yet (no clue on the ork skin guy) but what was boing taught was universal.

I’ve seen a few tactical blunders, but nothing leaped out as “wrong” with the bat reps. There might have been. Nobody is perfect. They are more casual themed anyway. Push some models around, have some fun. Which comes across very well. We all miss minor points from time to time. And yes, they are doing this professionally, so should be held to a higher standard than FLGS tables. I think if they had to rule check every move to make sure things were polished and 100%, we would have a lot less content then we do now.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/10 08:02:08


Post by: Geifer


FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
... and the painting guides are just of models that no one can paint yet because they haven't been released yet.


The models used are:

Marine head
Tzaangor shield
Intercessors
Sigmarine and orc from the starter set
Wraithlord

And, as said, so far the painting tutorials are concerned with teaching general techniques that do not require specific models.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/10 11:04:25


Post by: FezzikDaBullgryn


If only there was a place that literally had hundreds if not thousands of free tutorials on how to paint space marines, by professional and well recognized hobbyists, like Duncan, or Miniac. Oh wait, there is, Youtube.

So who is this "service" (I hate that word because it's association with EA's Games as a live service method) for, exactly?

Hardcore hobbyists? Nope, because they have everything they need and they aren't paying 60 dollars for a new model they get in a year, some painting tips, and 30 minutes of cartoons.

New hobbyists? I don't think so either, because of pretty much the same reasons. Most people new to the hobby don't care about WD from years ago, or how to paint eyes. They will join for the mini and the cartoons. The Mini requires you wait AN ENTIRE YEAR, and the cartoons, which are literally the only part of this that can't be found for free elsewhere, are only 30-45 minutes of content, with "promises" of more to come.

Does anyone think that they actually have 6 episodes of Astartes loaded on deck and ready to release, but they are holding them back? Lets see, it took the maker of those videos almost a year by himself, to make that one single 5 minute episode.

The only person/people this service is for, is whales. Cash cows that GW knows will lap up it's promises of more to come, and it doesn't have to do anything but drop 5 minute Bashi-esque cartoons once a month and people will still say it's a good service.

Most people will still stick with Battlescribe for AoS, Youtube for painting, and the High seas of Torgtuga for their "content". Oh, and paying 60 dollars for a Assassin model that won't see a table, you can already find the STLs for it.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/10 11:27:39


Post by: Overread


Well Duncan charges for his painting tutorials - or at least a portion of them.

And I'd hardly call the monthly cost for Warhammer+ a "Whale" level price. This isn't dropping £100s a month.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/10 11:52:51


Post by: Geifer


You should expect most animations to be around 17 to 18 minutes at this time. The latest Angels of Death episode is longer than that. The total runtime of the animations is currently around 150 minutes.

Just to get the facts straight.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/10 12:19:01


Post by: Dysartes


FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Most people will still stick with Battlescribe for AoS, Youtube for painting, and the High seas of Torgtuga for their "content".

Interesting that you attempt to distinguish between Battlescribe and other sources of piracy...


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/10 20:22:00


Post by: GoldenHorde


 Dysartes wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Most people will still stick with Battlescribe for AoS, Youtube for painting, and the High seas of Torgtuga for their "content".

Interesting that you attempt to distinguish between Battlescribe and other sources of piracy...


Oh noes a free to use P2P data fed software that beats the living gak out of the crappy overpriced subscription bound GW abortion!

Who will think of the children!!!


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/10 22:22:31


Post by: FezzikDaBullgryn


Seriously? Battlescribe is "pirating"? Please get down off of that mighty high horse you are on. I think the lack of oxygen up there is affecting your rationality. Nothing is pirated about data. If that were true, no one would be legally allowed to call out stats here on the Tactics sub, or complain about points cost of units, or debate the exact wording of copy pasted rules. Learn what fair use is.

Also, pirating of materials only happens when the product or service offered is so difficult or painful to obtain, that violation of a legally dubious code of rules is a better alternative. So it's actually GWs fault. It's why itunes and free music streaming services effectively killed off pirating music. Because it was easier and simpler to just pay 99 cents for that one song I wanted, and I could listen to it forever. If GW offered anything even remotely approaching the level of quality of itunes, battlescribe, or youtube, we wouldn't need to use Wahapedia, Pirate sites, or 3rd page of google to get free content. And GW knows it.

Why do you honestly think GW has never put out any halfway decent digital platform? Because it's not financially viable to them. Loss of money due to theft or piracy is literally built into their projection models.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/10 22:43:21


Post by: Overread


FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Also, pirating of materials only happens when the product or service offered is so difficult or painful to obtain, that violation of a legally dubious code of rules is a better alternative.


I never found most major music nor DVD's hard to obtain - same with video games. And yet those markets are utterly rife with pirating problems of their own.

Heck there's even money laundering systems that happen for video games and other popular digital products distributed through tradeable keys - which when chargebacks are issued then end up penalising the webstores and game creators.


I do understand your point, that widespread pirating often goes hand in hand with prices too high for the average customer; however I think your point grossly oversimplifies the situation. You also have to consider issues whereby a pirating "culture" can form within a population or segments of a population.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/11 04:50:27


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 Nevelon wrote:
The painting is more general techniques, not step-by-steps for specific models. It could be that the specific minis used were not out yet (no clue on the ork skin guy) but what was boing taught was universal.

I’ve seen a few tactical blunders, but nothing leaped out as “wrong” with the bat reps. There might have been. Nobody is perfect. They are more casual themed anyway. Push some models around, have some fun. Which comes across very well. We all miss minor points from time to time. And yes, they are doing this professionally, so should be held to a higher standard than FLGS tables. I think if they had to rule check every move to make sure things were polished and 100%, we would have a lot less content then we do now.
The first AoS batrep got a core faction rule wrong in a significant way. Like, the guy clearly won because of the error he made level of significant.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/11 06:21:10


Post by: kodos


FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:Seriously? Battlescribe is "pirating"?

as neither points nor rules are free and BS makes them available, yes BS pirating
just that GW does not go after them for reasons does not change it

Overread wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Also, pirating of materials only happens when the product or service offered is so difficult or painful to obtain, that violation of a legally dubious code of rules is a better alternative.


I never found most major music nor DVD's hard to obtain - same with video games. And yet those markets are utterly rife with pirating problems of their own.

Heck there's even money laundering systems that happen for video games and other popular digital products distributed through tradeable keys - which when chargebacks are issued then end up penalising the webstores and game creators.

I do understand your point, that widespread pirating often goes hand in hand with prices too high for the average customer; however I think your point grossly oversimplifies the situation. You also have to consider issues whereby a pirating "culture" can form within a population or segments of a population.

main problem with music was that it wasn't available in digital form that started that thing
as digital storage wasn't that large back than and even mp3 CD's with 70-100 songs instead of the regular 15-20 a big improvement the option to download them instead of converting your collection was much easier

for video games, the option to play them without needing to change CD's or play them on devices without a CD drive started it

Movies/TV shows not being available on DvD for copyright reasons (or because they were banned) in some countries was a reason as well (trading VHS versions of Evil Dead was a thing long before the internet made it possible to download it)

and yes, as soon as the options were there, a culture was build around that and the initial reasons not important any more

For GW, not having a digital version, the digital version being bad, not having a functional army builder and not being able to have all the rules for your army in compact form are reasons why those archives and BS exist in the first place


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/11 06:38:13


Post by: a_typical_hero


FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The only person/people this service is for, is whales. Cash cows that GW knows will lap up it's promises of more to come, and it doesn't have to do anything but drop 5 minute Bashi-esque cartoons once a month and people will still say it's a good service.
Please, the monthly price is likely hovering around half an hour of work per month in the countries people are posting from here. That is not whale level and if you wanted to sub, even the typical pocket money my friends and I had as kids would allow it without big budget cuts.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/11 07:10:44


Post by: Blackie


FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:


Also, pirating of materials only happens when the product or service offered is so difficult or painful to obtain, that violation of a legally dubious code of rules is a better alternative. So it's actually GWs fault. It's why itunes and free music streaming services effectively killed off pirating music. Because it was easier and simpler to just pay 99 cents for that one song I wanted, and I could listen to it forever. If GW offered anything even remotely approaching the level of quality of itunes, battlescribe, or youtube, we wouldn't need to use Wahapedia, Pirate sites, or 3rd page of google to get free content. And GW knows it.


That's completely false, pirating of materials happens when the product is considered too expensive for its value or for a customer's pocket. A single song sounds cheap for 99 cents, but what about 1000 or even 10k (which is more or less the amount of songs I have in my collection of music albums, and I consider it pretty basic with just the essentials)? Pirating music is still a (big) thing. So is pirating movies and tv series, it doesn't matter if Netflix is relatively "supercheap": nothing can beats free. To beat piracy Netflix should cost 1$/month or even less, but in that case I doubt they'll get any profits.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/11 11:18:56


Post by: Nevelon


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Nevelon wrote:
The painting is more general techniques, not step-by-steps for specific models. It could be that the specific minis used were not out yet (no clue on the ork skin guy) but what was boing taught was universal.

I’ve seen a few tactical blunders, but nothing leaped out as “wrong” with the bat reps. There might have been. Nobody is perfect. They are more casual themed anyway. Push some models around, have some fun. Which comes across very well. We all miss minor points from time to time. And yes, they are doing this professionally, so should be held to a higher standard than FLGS tables. I think if they had to rule check every move to make sure things were polished and 100%, we would have a lot less content then we do now.
The first AoS batrep got a core faction rule wrong in a significant way. Like, the guy clearly won because of the error he made level of significant.


OK, core faction rules probably should have been checked.

This is probably the results of handing studio armies to the personalities, giving them a briefing, and letting them have fun. I wonder if they have a rules guy just off camera helping? <insert GW rules joke here>

Would be fun if they had a rematch. Same people, same armies. Admit they messed up something big, play it over.

Ot tinfoil hat time, maybe they messed it up on purpose? We know from old WD reports that they replay the game a few times until they get one good enough to print. Could be playing RAW it was always a one sided stomp, so they messed up the rule to make it a little closer?

I’ve only playerd a few demo games of AoS, and none this edition, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I do enjoy watching the reps, as a way to help learn.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/13 05:44:42


Post by: shadowsfm


a_typical_hero wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The only person/people this service is for, is whales. Cash cows that GW knows will lap up it's promises of more to come, and it doesn't have to do anything but drop 5 minute Bashi-esque cartoons once a month and people will still say it's a good service.
Please, the monthly price is likely hovering around half an hour of work per month in the countries people are posting from here. That is not whale level and if you wanted to sub, even the typical pocket money my friends and I had as kids would allow it without big budget cuts.


right, so lets call us investors, who hopes that throwing money at this will make this a better product in the long run.

the opinion i would have chosen in the options isn't available. i would have chosen, "i wouldn't recommend this to a friend yet, but i am still optimistic that this will get better eventually, after more videos become available"


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/13 06:14:54


Post by: tneva82


a_typical_hero wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The only person/people this service is for, is whales. Cash cows that GW knows will lap up it's promises of more to come, and it doesn't have to do anything but drop 5 minute Bashi-esque cartoons once a month and people will still say it's a good service.
Please, the monthly price is likely hovering around half an hour of work per month in the countries people are posting from here. That is not whale level and if you wanted to sub, even the typical pocket money my friends and I had as kids would allow it without big budget cuts.


As is I'm paying about euro per month or less for animations and apps.

If that is too much for you then you are in wrong game. You can't afford to pay miniatures even. You can't even afford to go to FLGS to play even.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/13 09:15:54


Post by: Cronch


 Blackie wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:


Also, pirating of materials only happens when the product or service offered is so difficult or painful to obtain, that violation of a legally dubious code of rules is a better alternative. So it's actually GWs fault. It's why itunes and free music streaming services effectively killed off pirating music. Because it was easier and simpler to just pay 99 cents for that one song I wanted, and I could listen to it forever. If GW offered anything even remotely approaching the level of quality of itunes, battlescribe, or youtube, we wouldn't need to use Wahapedia, Pirate sites, or 3rd page of google to get free content. And GW knows it.


That's completely false, pirating of materials happens when the product is considered too expensive for its value or for a customer's pocket. A single song sounds cheap for 99 cents, but what about 1000 or even 10k (which is more or less the amount of songs I have in my collection of music albums, and I consider it pretty basic with just the essentials)? Pirating music is still a (big) thing. So is pirating movies and tv series, it doesn't matter if Netflix is relatively "supercheap": nothing can beats free. To beat piracy Netflix should cost 1$/month or even less, but in that case I doubt they'll get any profits.


Pirating used to be a lot larger decades prior, late 90s and 00s than it is today. Netflix and Spotify made it so you can access a lot of content for a very cheap price very easily. No fussing with torrents, TORs and hoping someone didn't upload Naughty Things in the file instead of Finding Nemo. Sure, some people still do it, but it used to be a heck of a lot more. Low price and convenience beat free and inconvenient most of the time except for people who wouldn't pay anything anyway. With streaming services fracturing to the same level cable networks they rescued us from did, people are likely to pirate again because the inconvenience of signing up to 5-6 streaming services to get the same spread of contents will likely be too high.



As is I'm paying about euro per month or less for animations and apps.

If that is too much for you then you are in wrong game.

Value is not the same as cost.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/13 10:11:31


Post by: GoldenHorde


tneva82 wrote:
a_typical_hero wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The only person/people this service is for, is whales. Cash cows that GW knows will lap up it's promises of more to come, and it doesn't have to do anything but drop 5 minute Bashi-esque cartoons once a month and people will still say it's a good service.
Please, the monthly price is likely hovering around half an hour of work per month in the countries people are posting from here. That is not whale level and if you wanted to sub, even the typical pocket money my friends and I had as kids would allow it without big budget cuts.


As is I'm paying about euro per month or less for animations and apps.

If that is too much for you then you are in wrong game. You can't afford to pay miniatures even. You can't even afford to go to FLGS to play even.




I grew up poor in the nineties and got into wargaming during that time.

Wise people on limited means save their limited means and carefully use their resources. They don't waste it on nonsense like warhammer plus.

Your comment reeks of elitism and is beyond out of touch, nor do you understand how money works


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/13 11:14:33


Post by: FezzikDaBullgryn


Ok, so now the argument is "Kick out the poors!" this is an "Elite" hobby. Ok. I get it, all hobbies can get expensive. But again, who is this for? It's not for the new hobbyist, is not for the casual gamer, it's for the dedicated Hardcore GW whale that will pay 60 USD for a unusable model in a year, oh, and some videos that are literally free elsewhere. So yeah, I'm not a hardo, but I do think this is part of EA/GW's games as a "live service" mentality, that does nothing to bring new people into the hobby, and actively pushes people away.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/13 11:26:46


Post by: tneva82


Well on that logic pretty much anything on anything is whale. Euro per month...

So if you go to movie theather you are a whale.

Buy a book? Whale.

Buy CD? Whale.

I would love to see Fezzik not buy anything from any store. If he buys he's whale by his own logic.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/13 11:37:28


Post by: GoldenHorde


tneva82 wrote:
Well on that logic pretty much anything on anything is whale. Euro per month...

So if you go to movie theather you are a whale.

Buy a book? Whale.

Buy CD? Whale.

I would love to see Fezzik not buy anything from any store. If he buys he's whale by his own logic.



You do realise he said the customers were whales not the product........don't you?

Like the whale that's covered in barnacles and whale lice....


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/13 11:51:55


Post by: Overread


Whale is a term that keeps getting thrown around and generally translates too


"This thing is more expensive than I wish to pay for/can justify spending. Therefore I presume that the only person who would buy such a thing is a person who has money in the extreme excess and is able to pay for any and all hobby releases without thought"


It's a duel insult/frustration toward GW (often for rising prices) and toward those who do choose to spend large sums on the hobby. However its rarely rolled out directly against either party, its always thrown out as "oh the whales would buy it" rather like "the man" or "the sheeple" or such.

It doesn't actually aim to classify or target any specific person, its simply a frustration vent that's been used so often people use it without much thought.



First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/13 12:33:20


Post by: PenitentJake


FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
If only there was a place that literally had hundreds if not thousands of free tutorials on how to paint space marines, by professional and well recognized hobbyists, like Duncan, or Miniac. Oh wait, there is, Youtube.

So who is this "service" (I hate that word because it's association with EA's Games as a live service method) for, exactly?

Hardcore hobbyists? Nope, because they have everything they need and they aren't paying 60 dollars for a new model they get in a year, some painting tips, and 30 minutes of cartoons.

New hobbyists? I don't think so either, because of pretty much the same reasons. Most people new to the hobby don't care about WD from years ago, or how to paint eyes. They will join for the mini and the cartoons. The Mini requires you wait AN ENTIRE YEAR, and the cartoons, which are literally the only part of this that can't be found for free elsewhere, are only 30-45 minutes of content, with "promises" of more to come.

Does anyone think that they actually have 6 episodes of Astartes loaded on deck and ready to release, but they are holding them back? Lets see, it took the maker of those videos almost a year by himself, to make that one single 5 minute episode.

The only person/people this service is for, is whales. Cash cows that GW knows will lap up it's promises of more to come, and it doesn't have to do anything but drop 5 minute Bashi-esque cartoons once a month and people will still say it's a good service.

Most people will still stick with Battlescribe for AoS, Youtube for painting, and the High seas of Torgtuga for their "content". Oh, and paying 60 dollars for a Assassin model that won't see a table, you can already find the STLs for it.


I would say that so far, the two things I think of when I watch the animations are the old Heavy Metal cartoon movie (Hammer and Bolter) and Sin City (Angels of Death).

So my answer to "Who is this for?" is anyone who liked those movies enough that they want more.

I also think its for people who like the lore and stories that come from the IP. If you're the type of player who writes short stories about the battles you fight and gives names to all the generic models in your army, you'll probably like it (although you will want more- the library of titles is still sparse).

Furthermore, you can bet your ass my Vindicare will see the table... But not as presented- I have plans to magnetize the Vindicare itself so that I can use that as my assassin while I use its scenic statue as an alternative statue for the SoB Battle Sanctum.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/13 12:50:05


Post by: Slipspace


tneva82 wrote:
Well on that logic pretty much anything on anything is whale. Euro per month...


You keep saying this but WH+ is not one Euro a month. If you factor in the price of the "free" model and if you already had subscriptions to the apps then you might get that figure, but in absolute terms it's more than that. continuing to use that figure is disingenuous in the extreme.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/13 14:05:25


Post by: Overread


Slipspace wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Well on that logic pretty much anything on anything is whale. Euro per month...


You keep saying this but WH+ is not one Euro a month. If you factor in the price of the "free" model and if you already had subscriptions to the apps then you might get that figure, but in absolute terms it's more than that. continuing to use that figure is disingenuous in the extreme.


How does

"It's about as much as White Dwarf"

which, last I checked, isn't a "whale" product


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/13 14:13:55


Post by: mrFickle


The more I watch the happier I am

I didn’t enjoy old bale eye but so far everything else has been pretty good. If Gw keep up with adding good content and the other freebies then I’ll be very happy


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/13 17:52:22


Post by: hobojebus


 Overread wrote:
Slipspace wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Well on that logic pretty much anything on anything is whale. Euro per month...


You keep saying this but WH+ is not one Euro a month. If you factor in the price of the "free" model and if you already had subscriptions to the apps then you might get that figure, but in absolute terms it's more than that. continuing to use that figure is disingenuous in the extreme.


How does

"It's about as much as White Dwarf"

which, last I checked, isn't a "whale" product


Dunno for what £7 gets you I wouldn't pay for white dwarf every month, only reason I got the recent one was for the transfer sheet.

It's not a matter of not being able to afford it, I just don't think it's worth it.



First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/13 18:10:24


Post by: Racerguy180


Value just isn't there for me, it could be free and I still wouldn't give a flying feth.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/13 18:36:53


Post by: Cronch


mrFickle wrote:
The more I watch the happier I am

Oh god, GW is now using subliminal suggestions in their battle reports

Anyway, whale has a pretty well-defined meaning in gaming industry, if slightly fluid depending on type of gaming. Basically it's the few top spenders that are provide more income than a whole bunch of "dolphins" and "minnows". I don't know if they do provide majority of income to GW like they do to mobile/lootbox-having video games or if they're just a nice "bonus", because obviously GW does not publish that sort of data to my knowledge. But if you see any marketing that aims at making the buyer feel "elite" or "better" than the others, it's aimed at whales or aspiring whales.

WH+ isn't really aimed at whales, but it's part of GW's attempt to make you spend as much as possible within GW "ecosystem", to stay with the brand as long as possible every day.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/14 15:00:56


Post by: Las


Gotta say, I'm pleasantly surprised at how much I'm enjoying Hammer and Bolter. Rest of the service aside, this series has been great.

I'm actually shocked that they're taking the time to do these little slice of life vignettes of 40k. The fact that we've only had one episode feature space marines and it centred around the aspirant rites of non-astartes humans is awesome. If you'd have asked me what I'd expected a year ago I would've said lots of stories about primaris ultramarines bloodlessly shooting orks.

The grim dark is definitely there.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/15 03:09:17


Post by: shadowsfm


My ranking of hammer and bolter from best to worst:
Episode 4 Fang
Episode 5 a question of faith
Episode 1 death's hand
Episode 3 old bale eye

...while Bound for Greatness is an outlier and is like comparing apples and oranges, but is still frighteningly enjoyable.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/15 06:31:51


Post by: Blackie


 Overread wrote:
Slipspace wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Well on that logic pretty much anything on anything is whale. Euro per month...


You keep saying this but WH+ is not one Euro a month. If you factor in the price of the "free" model and if you already had subscriptions to the apps then you might get that figure, but in absolute terms it's more than that. continuing to use that figure is disingenuous in the extreme.


How does

"It's about as much as White Dwarf"

which, last I checked, isn't a "whale" product


The cost of WH+ and WD for the period of an edition (3 years) is basically the same cost as a whole army. Not really cheap.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/15 09:06:30


Post by: Overread


I feel like with the budget and animation style they've got they really need to avoid heavy combat in Hammer and Bolter. I really felt the missing frames in A Question of Faith.

That or they need to get FAR more stylish and arty with how they do scenes - perhaps even just go for comic style battles where you've got only key moments shown (which I think they are trying but they time them a bit wrong in my view).

That said I hope it does well enough that GW can put more resources into it and they can get the number of animation cells up so that the action flows smoother.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/15 12:44:09


Post by: Andilus Greatsword


I've enjoyed Hammer and Bolter. I wasn't a fan of Death's Hand, but the others have all been a pleasant surprise for me, especially these last 2 eps (which, coincidentally, happen to feature my 2 main armies). Sure, it could maybe be a little better animated at times, but I'm satisfied. I was a bit worried that 3 eps of Hammer and Bolter would be a letdown after Angels of Death had gotten good but I'm happy with the diversion for now. Hopefully we get the start of the second half of Angels of Death in a couple weeks though.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/15 16:43:23


Post by: PenitentJake


 Blackie wrote:


The cost of WH+ and WD for the period of an edition (3 years) is basically the same cost as a whole army. Not really cheap.


If you mean both WD and WH+ together, sure.

But my WH+ cost 84 CAD for the year. As in, that's what I paid- no online vouchers factored in, no free model factored in- that's the price. Now I do think there was also one free month maybe? If so, it's the only discount I include. Let's give you the benefit of the doubt and bump it to 90 CAD for the year.

So that's 270 for three.

A Combat Patrol box is 170 CAD. Now technically, because 25 PL games are natively supported with missions in the BRB, it is fair to call that an army, but I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant. For three years of WH+, I could get the Sister CP box and Castigator.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/15 17:20:08


Post by: Daedalus81


shadowsfm wrote:
My ranking of hammer and bolter from best to worst:
Episode 4 Fang
Episode 5 a question of faith
Episode 1 death's hand
Episode 3 old bale eye

...while Bound for Greatness is an outlier and is like comparing apples and oranges, but is still frighteningly enjoyable.


Hmm I didn't like Fang all the much, because the dialogue was pretty flat. #2 is for sure my favorite, but I haven't watched #5 yet.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/26 17:38:42


Post by: Andilus Greatsword


Gotta say, I always expect Hammer and Bolter to be meh because of the cheap animation, but the writing has been saving the series. Finally got a chance to watch ep.6 this morning and it was a legitimately touching story befitting of the Eldar.

Spoiler:
I was also impressed that GW remember that Space Marines are NOT good guys and portrayed them as the full-on monsters that they are (especially from the perspective of an alien).


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/26 17:59:26


Post by: PenitentJake


Yeah, loved the Eldar episode- makes me want to model up a Warlock/ Wraithguard duo for a small force- KT or Combat Patrol.

Thought the Avatar moments were really cool too. H&B reminds me so much of the original Heavy Metal movie- its animation also wasn't top-notch (a product of the era in which it was released), but it had so much soul.

H&B feels that way to me. I haven't watched the Fang yet- being Marines, it wasn't a priority for me. I will watch it though- it isn't that I don't like marines, it's just that they so saturate the IP that I don't hunger for information about them or stories that focus on them.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/26 20:08:24


Post by: Stephen1974


I've not subscribed and I won't be, fro a couple of reasons.

The first is the way this was set up doesn't warrant anyone subscribing to this, but secondly, I just don't think the content would be worth it. All the GW produced stuff is pretty much already available for free on youtube and if not, there are many alternative places for painting tutorials and battle reports. However, the main focus is the animations and, to me, they are not that good. Technically, they look great, but the story telling - ouch.

Maybe its just that how I view 40k in my head is very different to how other people view it, but every animation ive seen so far has bored me. There's no character in them.

One thing that really annoys me about animations is that for their computer games, GW have been able to have produced some amazing trailers and cut scenes. Though recently the quality has dropped with slightlky scrolling still images rather than proper animations, but even then, the story they tell is engaging and interesting.

Whilst this isnt 40k, its still warhammer and THIS is what I want to see from animations. This is amazing.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/27 00:00:46


Post by: Las


GW doesn’t produce any of the cinematic animations for licensed video games.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/27 03:26:28


Post by: shadowsfm


 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Gotta say, I always expect Hammer and Bolter to be meh because of the cheap animation, but the writing has been saving the series. Finally got a chance to watch ep.6 this morning and it was a legitimately touching story befitting of the Eldar.

Spoiler:
I was also impressed that GW remember that Space Marines are NOT good guys and portrayed them as the full-on monsters that they are (especially from the perspective of an alien).


right, the eldar episode is the best so far, but requires a lot of back story for people that dont know eldar lore. i guess we are getting nothing this week?


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/27 04:35:23


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I can't figure out why post-Cadia Ultramarines would be attacking a Craftworld like that.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/27 04:46:33


Post by: shadowsfm


maybe its not canon


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/27 05:52:06


Post by: Lord Damocles


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't figure out why post-Cadia Ultramarines would be attacking a Craftworld like that.

Forge the narrative! Just don't think about the narrative...


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/27 06:36:00


Post by: Apple fox


If they are going to do combat, they really need someone on the team that knows how to make it good with a limited budget.
It was like watching paint dry, 40k should at least be getting combat right.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/27 09:58:43


Post by: Overread


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't figure out why post-Cadia Ultramarines would be attacking a Craftworld like that.


The Imperium is so vast it loses whole systems and planets in its administration. When you have the entire Galaxy to play with its fully possible for you to be at peace and at war with the same faction on different fronts. Heck a huge part of Tau lore is how they were forgotten on the fringe and thus allowed to actually develop into a serious power as opposed to just being obliterated and colonised with humans. Yes there's hints Eldar had a hand in that, but in the end the actual event is very believable in the Imperium.

With a Galactic Empire at war on multiple fronts; with one keystone central world almost lost and causing the Imperium to nearly be cut in half; with Chaos and Xenos running amok everywhere. With all this war and hatred and confusion and distrust its very possible that even when the Imperium is formally (or informally) at peace with another faction, they can also still be at war with them.



Perhaps its a Craftworld that's small and isolated enough that agents within the Imperium felt they could destroy it with minimal risk of being spotted in time; perhaps its a Craftworld that made the first blow and this is retaliation; perhaps they have a long long standing war with this particular world and even though Eldar agreed to peace they had to "sacrifice" this war (which they then lost) front to maintain that peace. Perhaps no one told this group of Marines about the peace treaty or they think its broken. Or internal politics within the Eldar goaded the marines to attack.

There are loads of potential reasons for this battle to have taken place within a setting that is full of madness, insane administration systems, high levels of xenophobia and more. Heck don't forget the Imperium might be at a state of peace, but they'd never admit to it to the population.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/27 15:52:13


Post by: Las


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't figure out why post-Cadia Ultramarines would be attacking a Craftworld like that.


Whatever the reason, thank god they are. Any step taken to soft-retconning that nightmare is a good one.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/27 16:21:43


Post by: Galas


Yvrainne is a religious radical that is despised by most of her race.

She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/27 16:37:07


Post by: Gimgamgoo


Well, in response to the title....

I've mainly subscribed as I started playing AoS with v3 and trying some 40k again (with the previous incarnation of KT) so it's £1 more a month than both AoS/40k apps.

I'm not into battle reports and the web is full of painting guides - so they hold no extra interest.

However, I loved Angels of Death (till it stopped) and I'm mid way through Hammer and Bolter which I've enjoyed the stories of so far. I'll consider it decent value at £1 a month to watch a show every Saturday morning.

My only gripe, and I don't know if anyone else has found this.... the sound of the videos. It's so low. I use my PC for games, work and music. The sound level of core windows is at 40/100 and none of my games or music apps are at max. They all sound perfect. But, I can barely hear the W+ sound unless I increase the main windows volume up so high that any other sound from the PC is way too high. (and yes, I have maxed the volume in the W+ window).


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/27 17:03:20


Post by: shadowsfm


It's about damn time they put astartes on the app

Oh cool. Angels of death starts again next week


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/27 22:05:21


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Galas wrote:
She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.
I know that, but these were Ultramarine 5th Company with Knight and Titan Legion support.

Given the state of the Imperium, you'd think that these three groups have something more important to do than ganking some random Craftworld out of, what seemed to be, pure spite.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/28 11:55:01


Post by: The Phazer


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Galas wrote:
She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.
I know that, but these were Ultramarine 5th Company with Knight and Titan Legion support.

Given the state of the Imperium, you'd think that these three groups have something more important to do than ganking some random Craftworld out of, what seemed to be, pure spite.


It could be a tactical strike against a Craftworld that is attacking an Imperial world. That feels a lot easier to explain that the 900th Marine vs Marine battle tbh.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/28 12:40:02


Post by: epronovost


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Galas wrote:
She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.
I know that, but these were Ultramarine 5th Company with Knight and Titan Legion support.

Given the state of the Imperium, you'd think that these three groups have something more important to do than ganking some random Craftworld out of, what seemed to be, pure spite.


Considering the Imperium has a genocidal policy towards xenos, that Craftworld weakness and vulnerability might have triggered an invasion if only because opportunities to attack succesfully a Craftworld are rare. The Imperium's policy always was ''kill every single xenos in the galaxy''; the weaker the better and that specific Craftworld was probably small and with few warriors.

So for the Garden of Ghost was my favorite Hammer and Bolter episode which I must admit are better than I thought they would be. The worst one was by far Old Bale Eye.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/28 14:52:02


Post by: FezzikDaBullgryn


Even in the books where Bobby introduces the Farseer as an ally, the Gen 1s leap up and demand he be killed. It's not like the fluff has died, but it's more, part of Granpa's racist of stories around the dinner table that we just ignore now.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/28 15:40:01


Post by: Unit1126PLL


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Galas wrote:
She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.
I know that, but these were Ultramarine 5th Company with Knight and Titan Legion support.

Given the state of the Imperium, you'd think that these three groups have something more important to do than ganking some random Craftworld out of, what seemed to be, pure spite.


Nah, HBMC.

We all know the Imperium is a militarily significant power, with massive power projection capability. It's just got armies to spare. It's ships and fleets are practically entire planets that can be anywhere in hours, making use of unique warp-travel technology called Gellar Fields that make it less dangerous.

The Eldar, meanwhile, are under pressure from all sides, with aliens and humans pressing in from every direction and Chaos at their doorstep. The Ulthwe Gate is barely holding out against Chaos, but they have armies engaged on all fronts against myriad foes. Daemons lash at their ships as they travel the warp, and-

wait a minute.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/28 16:22:22


Post by: macluvin


I decided to wait because after the WH40k app debacle I figured the streaming platform would need more time and development to be worth the price tag to me. Plus it seemed like this platform was another foothold from which the company could flex rather unnecessarily their IP muscles. This was devastating to the already crumbling infrastructure of creativity of the fan base that really built the value of the IP in the first place. 40k was better when the universe belonged to the fans.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/28 16:40:09


Post by: tneva82


Slipspace wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Well on that logic pretty much anything on anything is whale. Euro per month...


You keep saying this but WH+ is not one Euro a month. If you factor in the price of the "free" model and if you already had subscriptions to the apps then you might get that figure, but in absolute terms it's more than that. continuing to use that figure is disingenuous in the extreme.


Well 1e/month is what i pay for animation.

: keep saying so because it's fact. Ain't my concern if you don't care about facts.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/28 17:04:29


Post by: PenitentJake


 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Galas wrote:
She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.
I know that, but these were Ultramarine 5th Company with Knight and Titan Legion support.

Given the state of the Imperium, you'd think that these three groups have something more important to do than ganking some random Craftworld out of, what seemed to be, pure spite.


Nah, HBMC.

We all know the Imperium is a militarily significant power, with massive power projection capability. It's just got armies to spare. It's ships and fleets are practically entire planets that can be anywhere in hours, making use of unique warp-travel technology called Gellar Fields that make it less dangerous.

The Eldar, meanwhile, are under pressure from all sides, with aliens and humans pressing in from every direction and Chaos at their doorstep. The Ulthwe Gate is barely holding out against Chaos, but they have armies engaged on all fronts against myriad foes. Daemons lash at their ships as they travel the warp, and-

wait a minute.


I watched it late at night, and I've only seen it once so far; I'm also not a big enough SM player to recognize armour variants and squad markings. So forgive my ignorance- what were the indicators that this is set post rift? As I understand it, H&B episodes can occur at any point in the history... No indicators of time frame stood out to me, though again I wasn't watching under the most ideal of circumstances.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/28 17:13:16


Post by: Overread


PenitentJake wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Galas wrote:
She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.
I know that, but these were Ultramarine 5th Company with Knight and Titan Legion support.

Given the state of the Imperium, you'd think that these three groups have something more important to do than ganking some random Craftworld out of, what seemed to be, pure spite.


Nah, HBMC.

We all know the Imperium is a militarily significant power, with massive power projection capability. It's just got armies to spare. It's ships and fleets are practically entire planets that can be anywhere in hours, making use of unique warp-travel technology called Gellar Fields that make it less dangerous.

The Eldar, meanwhile, are under pressure from all sides, with aliens and humans pressing in from every direction and Chaos at their doorstep. The Ulthwe Gate is barely holding out against Chaos, but they have armies engaged on all fronts against myriad foes. Daemons lash at their ships as they travel the warp, and-

wait a minute.


I watched it late at night, and I've only seen it once so far; I'm also not a big enough SM player to recognize armour variants and squad markings. So forgive my ignorance- what were the indicators that this is set post rift? As I understand it, H&B episodes can occur at any point in the history... No indicators of time frame stood out to me, though again I wasn't watching under the most ideal of circumstances.


The use of hovering tanks puts it after certain key events in the setting as they only appeared after the Imperium regained a Primarch who was brought back to life partly through alliance and influences with the Eldar. Of course you are right, this story might reflect a time where the Alliance has broken down in the future and the Eldar are openly at war with the Imperium at large.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/28 17:28:06


Post by: macluvin


It is interesting how nearly 80% of everyone that subscribed was satisfied with the subscription...


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/28 17:49:07


Post by: Overread


It appears to be very polarizing right now. At least going by the poll here those who wanted it like it and those who didn't want it don't appear to be all that pressured into getting it.


Which is both a good and a bad thing. It means that GW has secured a market of fans within the population who are content with the product as is and/or who see potential in the product growing in value for them.


Meanwhile though GW doesn't appear to be putting out the right level of content to get non-customers to change their mind. Which in the short run isn't an issue, but could quickly become a long running issue if GW ends up hitting their early max market and then can't easily expand it.




First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/28 18:10:24


Post by: PenitentJake


 Overread wrote:

Spoiler:

PenitentJake wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Galas wrote:
She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.
I know that, but these were Ultramarine 5th Company with Knight and Titan Legion support.

Given the state of the Imperium, you'd think that these three groups have something more important to do than ganking some random Craftworld out of, what seemed to be, pure spite.


Nah, HBMC.

We all know the Imperium is a militarily significant power, with massive power projection capability. It's just got armies to spare. It's ships and fleets are practically entire planets that can be anywhere in hours, making use of unique warp-travel technology called Gellar Fields that make it less dangerous.

The Eldar, meanwhile, are under pressure from all sides, with aliens and humans pressing in from every direction and Chaos at their doorstep. The Ulthwe Gate is barely holding out against Chaos, but they have armies engaged on all fronts against myriad foes. Daemons lash at their ships as they travel the warp, and-

wait a minute.


I watched it late at night, and I've only seen it once so far; I'm also not a big enough SM player to recognize armour variants and squad markings. So forgive my ignorance- what were the indicators that this is set post rift? As I understand it, H&B episodes can occur at any point in the history... No indicators of time frame stood out to me, though again I wasn't watching under the most ideal of circumstances.



The use of hovering tanks puts it after certain key events in the setting as they only appeared after the Imperium regained a Primarch who was brought back to life partly through alliance and influences with the Eldar. Of course you are right, this story might reflect a time where the Alliance has broken down in the future and the Eldar are openly at war with the Imperium at large.


Ahh- thanks. Not knowing the difference between cartoon Primaris and Oldmarines is one thing, but I can't believe I missed the hover tanks.

Now I get it.

Could be that the marines weren't there specifically to fight the eldar? Like maybe there was something on the planet the marines wanted, and the eldar didn't want them to have it?

Even in Gathering Storm though, Marines were a problem for the Eldar- like when Eldrad could have finished a ritual that ended Slaanesh, but dumb ole Artemis just had to shoot him in the face before he could finish... (that's if I'm remembering correctly).


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/10/28 21:54:34


Post by: H.B.M.C.


PenitentJake wrote:
... what were the indicators that this is set post rift?
The Primaris Marines were a dead giveaway.



First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/11/12 15:50:33


Post by: Geifer


 Gimgamgoo wrote:
My only gripe, and I don't know if anyone else has found this.... the sound of the videos. It's so low. I use my PC for games, work and music. The sound level of core windows is at 40/100 and none of my games or music apps are at max. They all sound perfect. But, I can barely hear the W+ sound unless I increase the main windows volume up so high that any other sound from the PC is way too high. (and yes, I have maxed the volume in the W+ window).


That's my experience as well, generally speaking. I have to double the volume of my headset to its maximum to get a similar sound level to other stuff.

Definitely something GW should look into.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Galas wrote:
She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.
I know that, but these were Ultramarine 5th Company with Knight and Titan Legion support.

Given the state of the Imperium, you'd think that these three groups have something more important to do than ganking some random Craftworld out of, what seemed to be, pure spite.


Umm, nope? No, seriously, what makes you think that? 40k has been on a downward spiral of sensible alliances and practicality over doctrine for over a decade. I for one like that the writers remembered that the Imperium shouldn't let such silly considerations as practicality and consequences get in the way of doing the right thing.

Beats bro-fisting Blood Angels and Necrons any day of the week.

Also, yeah, in spite of starring pointy eared freaks, Garden of Ghosts may be the best Hammer and Bolter episode yet.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/11/15 14:28:53


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:
... what were the indicators that this is set post rift?
The Primaris Marines were a dead giveaway.
That immediately broke immersion for me. Not for the diplomacy but for this supposedly being an event that occured a long time previous. Decades is hardly a long time to Eldar.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/11/15 15:26:57


Post by: Daedalus81


 Geifer wrote:
Also, yeah, in spite of starring pointy eared freaks, Garden of Ghosts may be the best Hammer and Bolter episode yet.


It definitely elicited emotions, which was weird for a Warhammer cartoon.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/11/17 12:51:11


Post by: Geifer


 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
Also, yeah, in spite of starring pointy eared freaks, Garden of Ghosts may be the best Hammer and Bolter episode yet.


It definitely elicited emotions, which was weird for a Warhammer cartoon.


Why is that? Is your outlook on the setting too gloomy? Or the writers?

Or something else?


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/11/18 21:16:34


Post by: Daedalus81


 Geifer wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
Also, yeah, in spite of starring pointy eared freaks, Garden of Ghosts may be the best Hammer and Bolter episode yet.


It definitely elicited emotions, which was weird for a Warhammer cartoon.


Why is that? Is your outlook on the setting too gloomy? Or the writers?

Or something else?


Probably my personal history with loss - but that's too gloomy for forums.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/11/18 21:51:21


Post by: xerxeskingofking


PenitentJake wrote:

Could be that the marines weren't there specifically to fight the eldar? Like maybe there was something on the planet the marines wanted, and the eldar didn't want them to have it?


the whole episode is explicitly set on a now-abandoned craftworld, which was abandoned because these primaris ultramarines had attacked it with enough force to drive the eldar to literally abandon their home (which means it can't have happened before the start of the Indomitus Crusade, and the general deployment of primaris) . One of the characters, a fully grown adult and trained warlock, was a child at the time of the battle (and remembers the events), and another character, also fully grown and a Ranger, was not even born at the time of the craftworlds loss. Given the apparent time between the two events (enough for a full generation of eldar to grow into young adulthood, at the very least), we can come to the conclusion that the episodes "present" is very likely to be in the "future" of the current 40K timeline where it has been only ~10 years since the start of the Indomitus Crusade (thought not the pre-retcon timeline of over 300 years since the start, notably). I think this episode just got caught out by the change in the "present" time, and is set about 300 years into the crusade, or the "Old" present time.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/11/19 03:47:02


Post by: PenitentJake


Interesting- perhaps there is a canonical conflict coming which will be that battle. Like maybe the CWE release will include some background with them fighting against marines.

Honestly, I need to watch the episode again- I had the sound way down and there were distractions- I missed the hover tank, and I didn't catch that it was a craftworld- the battle looked like it took place on a planet- though of course I know craftworlds are big enough to have large contained areas that look like natural landscapes.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/12/15 17:52:06


Post by: shadowsfm


This week on hammer and bolter is adeptus mechanicus vs orks called kill protocol


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/12/15 18:07:52


Post by: necrontyrOG


shadowsfm wrote:
This week on hammer and bolter is adeptus mechanicus vs orks called kill protocol

This one is good. The reload sound effects of the Tech-priest. Lol.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/12/15 19:21:30


Post by: Ouze


I'm still holding off on it. I'm not super interested in the minis - I'd only be interested in the animation - and the value just is not there for me yet.

I'll keep checking in until they build up enough content to make it worthwhile, assuming they can make it that long. I'm not averse to the idea of a warhammer streaming service, I just think they launched much, much too early without having enough content to make it worthwhile.




First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/12/15 19:29:32


Post by: Overread


 necrontyrOG wrote:
shadowsfm wrote:
This week on hammer and bolter is adeptus mechanicus vs orks called kill protocol

This one is good. The reload sound effects of the Tech-priest. Lol.


I loved that!

Honestly I felt like this was a really great one, perhaps better than the Eldar. The Ad Mech was ever so Ad Mech in attitude and action; a perfect mix of cold calculating machine and yet a slight weakness of the flesh hidden behind the veil.

Also this


I feel like HB has some really good artwork within it and styles. Yes they need more budget for more frames per second and to have larger groups of active characters and I really hope the team behind it gets it because darn I want to see more of this style of story telling.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/12/15 22:56:21


Post by: shadowsfm


What stood out for me was the pre age of strife special effects. I can only wish my imagination is as good as the talent warhammer plus has


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2021/12/15 23:01:02


Post by: Keramory


My opinion. I'm disappointed with it and I'm keeping my sub lol.

It's a waste of money, ill admit it. I just don't care because it's not that big of a deal at its price point. I enjoyed angel of death and hammer/bolter. But 2 shows that dont even show up every week is not a streaming service in my eyes. You can say they have other things like BR, lore and Tutorials but much better versions of that can be found on YT. I'd never recommend anyone else subscribing to it unless they have kids or something for a family to enjoy every so often.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/12 20:07:44


Post by: shadowsfm


cadia stands against tyranids is one of the weaker episodes of hammer and bolter


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/12 20:11:31


Post by: Overread


shadowsfm wrote:
cadia stands against tyranids is one of the weaker episodes of hammer and bolter


I feel like the story works for a short and it sets the scene well. It's a very simple story though and feels "fast" compared to the Ad Mech episode that came right before. That said it is a fast story but not a rushed story. It does highlight again how limited budget they are with animation and their heavy use of single slides and such.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/12 20:56:57


Post by: Aash


I decided to give Warhammer plus a try last month when they offered a month at half price. I’ve just cancelled my subscription.

At half price I might be tempted to keep it, but not at full price. I watched the hammer and bolter stuff and it was fine, but nothing spectacular. I gave the angels of death cartoon a go, but lost interest and didn’t finish watching it. I found it too much style over substance. The painting masterclasses were good, but no better than what’s available free elsewhere online, and the same for the lore programmes.

If I played more regularly, the army builder and access to online rules would be tempting, but I only play infrequently, and for a monthly subscription I think you should get full access to the rules without needing to buy codex books or supplements etc.

I might dip my toe back in if it’s still around in a year or so if the content library is significantly larger.

The fact that in the recent GW quarterly report says they are shopping the Eisenhorn show around for distributors suggests that live action isn’t going to be included in Warhammer plus, so that’s another strike against it. It makes sense I suppose since a premium live action show on a platform like Netflix or Amazon Prime is likely to get much wider attention and drive more people towards the hobby, but for Warhammer plus subscribers not to get access to what is likely to be the crown jewel in GW’s first foray into television seems like a kick in the teeth to loyal fans.



First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/12 21:01:37


Post by: PenitentJake


Just watched it literally 10 minutes ago. I agree with both of these comments. The "Cadia Stands" quotes had suitable emotional resonance, but I wanted 30-45 seconds more at the beginning and end with the commanders to frame the episode and examine the big picture.

I do like the "We are all Cadia now" vibe.

Compared to some of the other episodes- though, a little light... And odd, because the other weak one for me was Old Bale Eye- both Guard heavy stories.

So the next time H&B hits guard content, they need to knock it out of the park.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/12 21:16:04


Post by: shadowsfm


PenitentJake wrote:

I do like the "We are all Cadia now" vibe.


don't like how that implies that GW isn't interested in any of the other imperial guard regiments and is all being funneled into cadia


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/12 21:49:04


Post by: endlesswaltz123


Aash wrote:

The fact that in the recent GW quarterly report says they are shopping the Eisenhorn show around for distributors suggests that live action isn’t going to be included in Warhammer plus, so that’s another strike against it. It makes sense I suppose since a premium live action show on a platform like Netflix or Amazon Prime is likely to get much wider attention and drive more people towards the hobby, but for Warhammer plus subscribers not to get access to what is likely to be the crown jewel in GW’s first foray into television seems like a kick in the teeth to loyal fans.



I think they know quite well, for Eisenhorn to be done correctly, it will be a fairly hefty budget, something GW will be priced out of producing themselves, and no production company is going to agree to have it on a fairly niche subscription channel that most likely is not bringing in the numbers to support such a project, let along make a profit from it.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/12 21:56:47


Post by: PenitentJake


shadowsfm wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:

I do like the "We are all Cadia now" vibe.


don't like how that implies that GW isn't interested in any of the other imperial guard regiments and is all being funneled into cadia


That's totally fair- this is a really good point.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Aash wrote:

The fact that in the recent GW quarterly report says they are shopping the Eisenhorn show around for distributors suggests that live action isn’t going to be included in Warhammer plus, so that’s another strike against it. It makes sense I suppose since a premium live action show on a platform like Netflix or Amazon Prime is likely to get much wider attention and drive more people towards the hobby, but for Warhammer plus subscribers not to get access to what is likely to be the crown jewel in GW’s first foray into television seems like a kick in the teeth to loyal fans.



I think they know quite well, for Eisenhorn to be done correctly, it will be a fairly hefty budget, something GW will be priced out of producing themselves, and no production company is going to agree to have it on a fairly niche subscription channel that most likely is not bringing in the numbers to support such a project, let along make a profit from it.


They will likely be able to host it in both places; they may have to put the season up out of synch in order to ensure that the studio and the primary platform make their money from the first run. WH+ could host all the behind the scenes extras for the first run of each season, then put up the actual episode once the next season begins. They'll also do cross-overs like the AoD episode of Battle Report, and a "How to Paint Eisenhorn" plus Loremasters episodes for all things Eisenhorn.

Maybe even Eisenhorn promo minis with sub, though that's more likely to be mainstream BL commemorative mini-release.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/12 22:16:11


Post by: Overread


Marketing shows outside of Warhammer Plus was always going to happen. Warhamer Plus maintains the market, it doesn't grow the market. Getting their shows to mirror on other platforms means exposing to a much wider audience and that means the potential of drawing more people into Warhammer as a brand.

I fully expect them to show the shows on Warhammer Plus as well as other platforms; might be out of sync, might be in sync or whatever; but I wouldn't expect GW to not show them on Warhammer Plus. That would be a kick in the teeth to their core market and it might well result in a big wave of protest drops which they don't want. They want everyone in Warhammer on Warhammer plus


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/12 22:55:14


Post by: Backspacehacker


Here is the thing, all the stuff that is in Warhammer+ is stuff that should be in the white dwarf and in the past was.
They are just doing this to get you to subscribe to white dwarf AND to subscribe to Warhammer +


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/12 23:06:00


Post by: Voss


 Backspacehacker wrote:
Here is the thing, all the stuff that is in Warhammer+ is stuff that should be in the white dwarf and in the past was.
They are just doing this to get you to subscribe to white dwarf AND to subscribe to Warhammer +

Subscribe to White Dwarf? Is it 1999 again?


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/12 23:18:50


Post by: Backspacehacker


Voss wrote:
 Backspacehacker wrote:
Here is the thing, all the stuff that is in Warhammer+ is stuff that should be in the white dwarf and in the past was.
They are just doing this to get you to subscribe to white dwarf AND to subscribe to Warhammer +

Subscribe to White Dwarf? Is it 1999 again?


https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/White-Dwarf-12-month-sub-ENG

Yes?


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/13 02:28:13


Post by: Keramory


Saw todays episode. Some parts I liked for sure. But did the animation get even worse somehow? I feel like it got even worse.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/13 04:06:42


Post by: PenitentJake


 Backspacehacker wrote:
Here is the thing, all the stuff that is in Warhammer+ is stuff that should be in the white dwarf and in the past was.
They are just doing this to get you to subscribe to white dwarf AND to subscribe to Warhammer +


How do you put an animation into print?

Do you mean all the stuff that's in the Vault, which is one section of Warhammer+?

There may be a couple of folks who are subscribing to WH+ because of the Vault, but it's a relatively small number I think. The Vault is a nice little value-add, but it has some key weaknesses that make it an insufficient resource compared to paper equivalents:

1/ You can't download from it, so your access to the material ends with your subscription.
2/ Even if you maintain your subscription forever, content can be removed at any time without notice on GW's whim alone.
3/ Even if you maintain your subscription AND the resource remains in the Vault, all out-dated rules content can be scrubbed from the resource without notice. As it stands, I don't think there's a single rule anywhere in the Vault that predates 9th edition.

If you buy a WD, you have the unaltered content for as long as you choose to store the book, and no one but you can make it go away.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/13 11:13:10


Post by: kodos


PenitentJake wrote:
 Backspacehacker wrote:
Here is the thing, all the stuff that is in Warhammer+ is stuff that should be in the white dwarf and in the past was.
They are just doing this to get you to subscribe to white dwarf AND to subscribe to Warhammer +


How do you put an animation into print?

there is this crazy idea of using the single pictures drawn and put the audio as text inside the picture

don't know if someone has already done this but it could become a big thing, we just need a catching name for it, frozen animation, or spontaneous picture (maybe in an Asian language)


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/13 11:34:19


Post by: Sunno


Aash wrote:

If I played more regularly, the army builder and access to online rules would be tempting, but I only play infrequently, and for a monthly subscription I think you should get full access to the rules without needing to buy codex books or supplements etc.



As a guy who is used to playing other wargames where all the rules, army builder, army stats and game management is either free or you get it all for a one off cost, its exactly things like this that stop me from playing GW games even on a casual level. You want me to subscribe to the app, but then ALSO buy books to unlock other rules and that wont even be all the rules you need and in 6 month im going to need buy ANOTHER book? Sod that.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/13 12:42:37


Post by: Geifer


I thought Cadia Stands was fun. Mindless bolter (lasgun) porn, sure, but as a short episode an entertaining watch to me.

But this is possibly the episode that reflects poorly on GW and makes you wonder what kind of fool runs this company. Like, come on. You were all thinking it. How is it GW doesn't sell plush Rippers already?

Seriously...

PenitentJake wrote:
How do you put an animation into print?


Oddly enough the animation style for Hammer and Bolter should lend itself to a print adaptation without noticeable loss. It is, after all, little more than an animated comic.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/13 12:47:06


Post by: tneva82


PenitentJake wrote:
 Backspacehacker wrote:
Here is the thing, all the stuff that is in Warhammer+ is stuff that should be in the white dwarf and in the past was.
They are just doing this to get you to subscribe to white dwarf AND to subscribe to Warhammer +


How do you put an animation into print?


Print into paper, sell it?

There's books of animated movies with specific frames from movie forming up in essence cartoon version of the animated movie. That works for movies. I seriously doubt warhammer+ videos would be harder...


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/13 13:10:55


Post by: epronovost


 Geifer wrote:
How is it GW doesn't sell plush Rippers already?


Getting there I guess; we have Nurgling and Squig (though Squig was recalled after problems with the pompoms) so I guess Rippers are comming.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/13 13:24:17


Post by: Geifer


Obviously not fast enough.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/19 21:10:12


Post by: shadowsfm


Black legion vs necron and dark Eldar was pretty good on hammer and bolter called artifacts


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/20 03:30:16


Post by: ccs


PenitentJake wrote:


If you buy a WD, you have the unaltered content for as long as you choose to store the book, and no one but you can make it go away.


Well, you + Mother Nature, moving companies, (occasionally) children/pets, & dumb asses accidentally starting community destroying fires.....


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/20 11:34:37


Post by: xerxeskingofking


shadowsfm wrote:
Black legion vs necron and dark Eldar was pretty good on hammer and bolter called artifacts


indeed, i quite enjoyed several aspects of it:

Chaos space marines NOT being totally insane murder-hobos and engaging in somewhat cogent debate, understanding that "something was wrong" even if they continued regardless, discussion of the known tricks/treachery of the dark eldar, etc. 'twas nice to see them actually have a basic human intelligence rather than pure "SANITY! IS FOR THE WEAK!" they normally get.

always nice to see a conflict where none of the factions are imperial, too much of 40k lore is form a imperial standpoint which can often give a distorted idea of the setting (Ie, characters quoting imperial propaganda as opposed to the reality).

the necron angle and reveal at the end was fun, and certainly a intresting way to close the story. i had fun counting the references in that final shot......



First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/20 12:55:51


Post by: Deadnight


 Geifer wrote:
You were all thinking it. How is it GW doesn't sell plush Rippers already?

Seriously...


Nope. Terminator plushies are where the money is at. with 2 power fists for all the hugs.

I'd buy the hell out of those.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/20 13:18:38


Post by: Sim-Life


Deadnight wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
You were all thinking it. How is it GW doesn't sell plush Rippers already?

Seriously...


Nope. Terminator plushies are where the money is at. with 2 power fists for all the hugs.

I'd buy the hell out of those.


The plushies they have made look like cheaply made garbage, so careful what you wish for. I mean the nurglings could have been something really cool but they just slapped a patch on it and called it a day.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/01/20 13:38:30


Post by: Geifer


Yeah, quality is the deciding factor for me. I may wish for a plush Ripper or, even better, a Scarab, but if the quality is poor I'm still not going to buy it.

xerxeskingofking wrote:
shadowsfm wrote:
Black legion vs necron and dark Eldar was pretty good on hammer and bolter called artifacts


indeed, i quite enjoyed several aspects of it:

Chaos space marines NOT being totally insane murder-hobos and engaging in somewhat cogent debate, understanding that "something was wrong" even if they continued regardless, discussion of the known tricks/treachery of the dark eldar, etc. 'twas nice to see them actually have a basic human intelligence rather than pure "SANITY! IS FOR THE WEAK!" they normally get.

always nice to see a conflict where none of the factions are imperial, too much of 40k lore is form a imperial standpoint which can often give a distorted idea of the setting (Ie, characters quoting imperial propaganda as opposed to the reality).

the necron angle and reveal at the end was fun, and certainly a intresting way to close the story. i had fun counting the references in that final shot......



Agreed on the depiction of the Chaos guys. Hammer and Bolter seems to be fairly good at avoiding an overarching Imperium vs NPCs depiction so far.

I liked this one. Hurray for Chaos Terminators.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/02/16 15:19:11


Post by: shadowsfm


The Exodite episode 1, Flame must have been done by the astartis guy, because its fantastic. sadly its only 10 minutes, because i want to see more. still no credits, but there is a interview on warhammer community. with no new animation for last 2 months, i want a free extension on my subscription though


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/02/16 15:25:42


Post by: Overread


shadowsfm wrote:
The Exodite episode 1, Flame must have been done by the astartis guy, because its fantastic. sadly its only 10 minutes, because i want to see more. with no new animation for last 2 months, i want a free extension on my subscription


Exodite is certainly really really awesome so far! I doubt its by the Astartes guy because he wasn't brought on board until after Warhammer+ launched and that is likely way too little time to have produced that series considering it was already marketed earlier. That said it really shines and its exactly what I hope becomes the standard GW aims for. Similar solid story telling as Hammer and Bolter with clearly one of the lions shares of budget allowing for smoother high detail animation. A few of the scenes feel a little "empty" by some modern CGI standards in terms of surrounding detail and moving side characters in such, but nothing that honestly distracts really. A bit of lip sync might be a touch on the rough side too here and there.


Also Warhammer + isn't just for video media. There's the app access, the back access to White Dwarf issues; painting masterclass; lore videos. All of which have continued to release even when animations have paused. GW were always up front that Warhammer+ was going to be about more than the animations.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/02/16 16:33:35


Post by: BertBert


Exodite looks like the first step towards betterment and the level of quality we should expect from GW animation. The setup was good, the animation is leagues above what we have seen so far, and some of the wide shots had me impressed. Walking animations seemed a bit wooden here and there, but this is getting closer to astartes-level polish.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/02/16 17:14:31


Post by: Captain Joystick


The Exodite was a fan project in progress before Warhammer+ and is definitely not done by the Astartes guy.

That said, pleased with how the first episode turned out and looking forward to see how it progresses.

At last, we have an explanation for the title and don't have to put up with people going 'lol Exodites aren't Tau' any more.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/02/16 18:52:20


Post by: Geifer


It looks pretty for the most part. Shame it's so short and the first episode has little substance to the story. Still, the space battle looks better than what the Blood Angels animation has to offer*, so I guess there's that.

Nice to see the focus is on my favorite kind of Tau suit, too.


*Edit: Oh, and Tau have invented color other than red. Take that, Imperium of Man, you and your backwards ways!

 Captain Joystick wrote:
At last, we have an explanation for the title and don't have to put up with people going 'lol Exodites aren't Tau' any more.


I like to think that's just people being silly for the lulz. I'm hardly one to cut GW any slack, but even with that outlook you wouldn't honestly expect them to make such an elementary mistake, or let someone they handed a license make that mistake.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/02/17 10:17:38


Post by: godardc


I've just watched it. I do believe it is leagues above Astartes, but maybe because I've watched Astartes several times already while this one is new ?
Can't wait for the next episodes. Reminded me of the game Fire Warrior, this game has sick space battles cutscenes


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/02/17 10:33:09


Post by: Overread


One core difference is that Astartes is more silent story telling. So the video isn't actually telling you the story, its showing you and you kind of have to work out what's going on.
It works because there's a good many parts where we can work out what is going on based on lore and what we understand about the setting; and the bits we don't know act as hooks for conversation and debate.


Exodites is just getting going but its giving you story as you go, its telling you what you're seeing, creating names for characters, showing you what's going on etc....


They are both different styles of storytelling within the animation medium.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/02/17 15:41:16


Post by: Lord of Deeds


Just curious if anyone is having issues with playing Exodite on the Warhammer+ app on Roku?


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/02/21 04:56:26


Post by: Voss


 Captain Joystick wrote:

At last, we have an explanation for the title and don't have to put up with people going 'lol Exodites aren't Tau' any more.


So what's the explanation? The articles GW are writing about it are still 100% about the Tau and nothing else, so what is the show actually about?


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/02/21 06:57:38


Post by: xerxeskingofking


Voss wrote:
 Captain Joystick wrote:

At last, we have an explanation for the title and don't have to put up with people going 'lol Exodites aren't Tau' any more.


So what's the explanation? The articles GW are writing about it are still 100% about the Tau and nothing else, so what is the show actually about?


the main character is being sent to a imperium/tau world with a war going on, which the titular eldar exodite is stirring up the war/sabotaging peace efforts, with orders to find and stop her so the tau can avoid a costly war with the imperium over a relatively unimportant world.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/02/21 08:39:38


Post by: Geifer


The world is specifically called the husk of a maiden world and the Exodite a survivor, who appears to be stirring up trouble between the Imperium and the Tau to get the neighbors off his lawn.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/02/21 22:17:25


Post by: Rihgu


This is as disappointing to me as when I found out Alien wasn't from the POV of the Alien. Or when Predator turned out to be about some guy the Predator was hunting. Or when the Walking Dead wasn't from the perspective of the walking dead.

Darn it, GW, you're making me miserable.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/02/21 22:23:53


Post by: Mr Morden


However the Exodite seems to be the narrator.

I think my fav so far is the Ad Mech one - good story, and enjoyed the pay off


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/02/22 02:23:35


Post by: shadowsfm


Rihgu wrote:
This is as disappointing to me as when I found out Alien wasn't from the POV of the Alien. Or when Predator turned out to be about some guy the Predator was hunting. Or when the Walking Dead wasn't from the perspective of the walking dead.

Darn it, GW, you're making me miserable.


The worst offender being metroid


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/10 16:20:47


Post by: callocx


shadowsfm wrote:
Rihgu wrote:
This is as disappointing to me as when I found out Alien wasn't from the POV of the Alien. Or when Predator turned out to be about some guy the Predator was hunting. Or when the Walking Dead wasn't from the perspective of the walking dead.

Darn it, GW, you're making me miserable.


The worst offender being metroid


Zelda?


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/11 04:12:16


Post by: PenitentJake


The Exodite part 2 was great, even if it took longer than I'd like for it to arrive.

But the Eldar V Grey Knight Batrep was really cool. The showdown between Castellan Crowe and Maugan Ra was awesome. I know the consensus is that strats suck, but man- Crowe puts Maugan Ra down, but he uses the Phoenix Lord Resurrection strat to get back up- then he attacks Crowe and puts him down, but Crowe uses his strat to attack before he dies... And takes Maugan Ra with him! In a thread months ago debating about the merrits of strats, someone asked us to talk about actual cinematic moments that happened as a result of strats... This was that moment.

The pace of the batrep really helped highlight the cinematics- you don't see all of the slow moments between the action. Still a pretty legendary fight.



First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/11 08:11:55


Post by: Togusa


I just don't see a lot of use for the service. I can that that 50$ a year and just put it into a kit that I want, which will bring me much, much more joy than what W+ offers.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/11 14:57:09


Post by: PenitentJake


Yeah, this year that's basically what I did- I put my money into a Vindicare model because I liked it enough to pay for it, and I regard the service as a bonus.

The hints we've seen about the next set of models don't grab me the way that Vindicare did though, so GW is going to have to do something to keep me, cuz if they don't I'm gone as soon as the Vindicare shows up on my doorstep.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/11 18:25:26


Post by: Daedalus81


PenitentJake wrote:
The Exodite part 2 was great, even if it took longer than I'd like for it to arrive.


Finally got around to it today....damn it's cool to see those things "in the flesh".


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/11 18:45:26


Post by: Mr Morden


Really enjoying the Exodite and all of the stories on the site.

Just finished the Blood Angels story and really good.

The money is really negligible tbh


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/11 20:22:05


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 Togusa wrote:
I just don't see a lot of use for the service. I can that that 50$ a year and just put it into a kit that I want, which will bring me much, much more joy than what W+ offers.
I don't fault the merits of that approach, I just have far more kits to work on than things to play in the background while I do.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/12 12:23:57


Post by: Geifer


Exodite is still fun (and still too short ). Looking forward to more.

PenitentJake wrote:
The hints we've seen about the next set of models don't grab me the way that Vindicare did though, so GW is going to have to do something to keep me, cuz if they don't I'm gone as soon as the Vindicare shows up on my doorstep.


We've seen hints of the next round of models? What are they? I must have missed that.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/12 14:45:40


Post by: Breton


PenitentJake wrote:
Yeah, this year that's basically what I did- I put my money into a Vindicare model because I liked it enough to pay for it, and I regard the service as a bonus.
The hints we've seen about the next set of models don't grab me the way that Vindicare did though, so GW is going to have to do something to keep me, cuz if they don't I'm gone as soon as the Vindicare shows up on my doorstep.


I didn't even look at the service as a bonus. I think I was a little but not that late to the party, but the service doesn't do much. If I could see basic info on each datasheet (for books I don't own) roughly equivalent to what I'd get from Battlescribe then you're talking. A curated collection of a couple comic strips is... not that.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/22 19:27:45


Post by: Togusa


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
I just don't see a lot of use for the service. I can that that 50$ a year and just put it into a kit that I want, which will bring me much, much more joy than what W+ offers.
I don't fault the merits of that approach, I just have far more kits to work on than things to play in the background while I do.


I get distracted, so I tend to listen to things I've seen. Usually when I hobby, I have some random episode of TNG, DS9, Voyager, or MASH on in the background.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/23 01:27:46


Post by: PenitentJake


 Geifer wrote:
Exodite is still fun (and still too short ). Looking forward to more.

PenitentJake wrote:
The hints we've seen about the next set of models don't grab me the way that Vindicare did though, so GW is going to have to do something to keep me, cuz if they don't I'm gone as soon as the Vindicare shows up on my doorstep.


We've seen hints of the next round of models? What are they? I must have missed that.


Just silhouettes- the merest of teasers. Here's some info:

https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-plus/2022-free-models-trailer


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/23 12:33:30


Post by: Geifer


Oh, I completely forgot about that. Thank you for the reminder.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/23 15:50:57


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I can’t login in via iPad?


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/23 19:59:17


Post by: oni


I signed up day one. It's been awhile now and, while I'm not thrilled with the slow drip of content, I cannot complain to much. The content that has been released so far, I like. Their battle reports have set the bar for production quality. The iOS app works well and the annual price is fair.

Though on the weeks where there are only Warhammer Vault additions, I get pretty salty and have to remind myself that I only spent $60.00 on it for the whole year, got a $35.00 model, an almost $20.00 gift certificate (it was like $18.00, LOL) and derive more enjoyment from it than my Amazon Prime account that is now $140.00 a year.

What I would like to figure out is what percentage of the subscription fee does the inclusion of the Warhammer App equate to and then demand this amount back as a refund. Because the Warhammer App is worthless trash.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/23 20:46:51


Post by: Overread


GODS Plague Song is good!
It might even just sit side by side with the Ad Mech episode for top


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/23 21:30:22


Post by: Geifer


 Overread wrote:
GODS Plague Song is good!


So I liked every other Hammer and Bolter just fine, but this one, truth be told, was just weird gak and I didn't get it.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/23 21:35:43


Post by: Overread


 Geifer wrote:
 Overread wrote:
GODS Plague Song is good!


So I liked every other Hammer and Bolter just fine, but this one, truth be told, was just weird gak and I didn't get it.


Spoiler:

Basically within the Warp itself there's no concept of linear time. So what this Plague army does is attack what is in effect a message relay station of the Imperium, which uses Astropaths who tap into the Warp to deliver messages across the great gulf of space. When the Priest enters the hall and infects the Astropaths he creates a virus that infects their souls and minds, that sets root and corrupts them. Because there's no concept of time they are then able to basically infect all the other ships in the fleet in the past, which means that they rot and fall apart when the Chaos Warship first arrives in the system, because reality and time are being messed with.

Of course he still has to infect the place and take it over to complete the process and to close the circle of events so that the plague is created to then infect the past to allow him through.




First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/24 07:35:58


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Ok wow, that was on a whole different level than any of their previous animations. If they keep producing content of that quality I will be very happy.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/24 11:09:11


Post by: Reavsie


Can't comment on Plague Song as the voice actors and script were so terrible that I couldn't bear it for more than a couple of minutes.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/24 13:48:49


Post by: Geifer


 Overread wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
 Overread wrote:
GODS Plague Song is good!


So I liked every other Hammer and Bolter just fine, but this one, truth be told, was just weird gak and I didn't get it.


Spoiler:

Basically within the Warp itself there's no concept of linear time. So what this Plague army does is attack what is in effect a message relay station of the Imperium, which uses Astropaths who tap into the Warp to deliver messages across the great gulf of space. When the Priest enters the hall and infects the Astropaths he creates a virus that infects their souls and minds, that sets root and corrupts them. Because there's no concept of time they are then able to basically infect all the other ships in the fleet in the past, which means that they rot and fall apart when the Chaos Warship first arrives in the system, because reality and time are being messed with.

Of course he still has to infect the place and take it over to complete the process and to close the circle of events so that the plague is created to then infect the past to allow him through.




Yeah, but why?

Spoiler:
So, I'm not going to talk about time travel nonsense in general. I don't like it. Others do. To each their own.

But why would you make the story about Plague Marine Fred who is working his 9 to 5 job with no agency or stakes or much in the way of investment in what's going on when on the other side you could watch Astropath Steve having a really bad day at the office or Commander Mike taking desperate measures to fight the sudden and explainable outbreak? Why choose the character whose only job is to turn off the lights and lock the door on the way out? Why should I think that's the right protagonist for this story?


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/24 15:41:42


Post by: Overread


 Geifer wrote:
 Overread wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
 Overread wrote:
GODS Plague Song is good!


So I liked every other Hammer and Bolter just fine, but this one, truth be told, was just weird gak and I didn't get it.


Spoiler:

Basically within the Warp itself there's no concept of linear time. So what this Plague army does is attack what is in effect a message relay station of the Imperium, which uses Astropaths who tap into the Warp to deliver messages across the great gulf of space. When the Priest enters the hall and infects the Astropaths he creates a virus that infects their souls and minds, that sets root and corrupts them. Because there's no concept of time they are then able to basically infect all the other ships in the fleet in the past, which means that they rot and fall apart when the Chaos Warship first arrives in the system, because reality and time are being messed with.

Of course he still has to infect the place and take it over to complete the process and to close the circle of events so that the plague is created to then infect the past to allow him through.




Yeah, but why?

Spoiler:
So, I'm not going to talk about time travel nonsense in general. I don't like it. Others do. To each their own.

But why would you make the story about Plague Marine Fred who is working his 9 to 5 job with no agency or stakes or much in the way of investment in what's going on when on the other side you could watch Astropath Steve having a really bad day at the office or Commander Mike taking desperate measures to fight the sudden and explainable outbreak? Why choose the character whose only job is to turn off the lights and lock the door on the way out? Why should I think that's the right protagonist for this story?


Spoiler:


Because we've got LOTS of stories about Steve. We know Steve inside and out and whilst his story is very worth telling as well, Fred has a story we've seen less of in general. So instead of Steve we get Fred. It's not that one side has the superior story, its simply choosing a side and going with it and in this case going with the Plague Marine Sorcerer. And we see loads of agency and elements; we see how the Gods play with their mortal followers; how failure is rewarded; how the warp is used to twist and turn and how the smallest of little demons might just be FAR greater and far more fearsome within the warp. How it corrupts, twists and guides the fallen Marines to do its bidding. We see puss and mutation and we see how the Plague Marines operate.

There's a lot of great elements here in fleshing out the fleshy puss oozing world of the Plague Marines.

And in the end the story can only have so many twists and turns because its a short. It's got one session to tell its entire story. It can't so easily go into super deep complicated twists and turns or setting up a huge major character arc and such because there just isn't the time. The more you'd try and push that kind of story into this kind of time frame the more it might feel rushed, hurried, missing big chunks and the more heavily it would rely on a deeper understanding of the lore of the setting so that it can get away without having to explain things.



First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/25 12:52:02


Post by: Geifer


 Overread wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
 Overread wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
 Overread wrote:
GODS Plague Song is good!


So I liked every other Hammer and Bolter just fine, but this one, truth be told, was just weird gak and I didn't get it.


Spoiler:

Basically within the Warp itself there's no concept of linear time. So what this Plague army does is attack what is in effect a message relay station of the Imperium, which uses Astropaths who tap into the Warp to deliver messages across the great gulf of space. When the Priest enters the hall and infects the Astropaths he creates a virus that infects their souls and minds, that sets root and corrupts them. Because there's no concept of time they are then able to basically infect all the other ships in the fleet in the past, which means that they rot and fall apart when the Chaos Warship first arrives in the system, because reality and time are being messed with.

Of course he still has to infect the place and take it over to complete the process and to close the circle of events so that the plague is created to then infect the past to allow him through.




Yeah, but why?

Spoiler:
So, I'm not going to talk about time travel nonsense in general. I don't like it. Others do. To each their own.

But why would you make the story about Plague Marine Fred who is working his 9 to 5 job with no agency or stakes or much in the way of investment in what's going on when on the other side you could watch Astropath Steve having a really bad day at the office or Commander Mike taking desperate measures to fight the sudden and explainable outbreak? Why choose the character whose only job is to turn off the lights and lock the door on the way out? Why should I think that's the right protagonist for this story?


Spoiler:


Because we've got LOTS of stories about Steve. We know Steve inside and out and whilst his story is very worth telling as well, Fred has a story we've seen less of in general. So instead of Steve we get Fred. It's not that one side has the superior story, its simply choosing a side and going with it and in this case going with the Plague Marine Sorcerer. And we see loads of agency and elements; we see how the Gods play with their mortal followers; how failure is rewarded; how the warp is used to twist and turn and how the smallest of little demons might just be FAR greater and far more fearsome within the warp. How it corrupts, twists and guides the fallen Marines to do its bidding. We see puss and mutation and we see how the Plague Marines operate.

There's a lot of great elements here in fleshing out the fleshy puss oozing world of the Plague Marines.

And in the end the story can only have so many twists and turns because its a short. It's got one session to tell its entire story. It can't so easily go into super deep complicated twists and turns or setting up a huge major character arc and such because there just isn't the time. The more you'd try and push that kind of story into this kind of time frame the more it might feel rushed, hurried, missing big chunks and the more heavily it would rely on a deeper understanding of the lore of the setting so that it can get away without having to explain things.



Spoiler:
The thing is, we see less of Fred in movies because we're Fred. We clock in, do our job, clock out, and all the most exciting things that happen during our day are in the realm of the expected. Fred usually appears in stories where the point is normality. Dramas more than anything whose focus isn't entertainment. I don't agree with the notion that neither Fred's nor Steve's perspective is superior because it disregards the needs and expectations of the genre. Space war with divine intervention and time travel is not compatible with Fred's story because it is out of the ordinary and specifically aimed to be out of the ordinary, for the purpose of entertainment.

Fred, as it happens, adds nothing to the story. Spawn-to-be guy could be blamed for the burning of the garden and punished for it directly by Nurgle. The ship that took them to the right place at the exact right moment does not require Fred to get there. Fred does nothing about the Imperial battle group and the fearful mutant who was executed by Fred did nothing but give everyone a few moments while they waited for the Imperial ships to disintegrate, which would have happened with or without the execution. Battle on the space station is force versus force, where Fred makes no appreciable difference. He's just one Marine among a number. The door is opened by the Nurgling and its new spawn pet. And finally there's the plague that infests the Astropaths and requires a medium to channel the warp, which happens to be Fred but might as easily have been the Nurgling who has already been shown to capable of that. Throughout the story Fred doesn't make choices. Fred doesn't solve problems.

You could say it's a story about Nurgle and the trap his followers are in, where they are willing pawns that act as mindless extensions of the god, and that the episode illustrates Nurgle's nature well. Plus all the visuals you're talking about. I wouldn't disagree. If we consider that a compelling story, I'm still not seeing the compelling protagonist. There is a reason why Black Library Marines are regular dudes that wear a Marine costume. A pointy stick doesn't make for a compelling character. The compelling part is the hand that wields it. If there's no difference, the writers have nothing to offer the readers/viewers. I don't see that any of this consideration went into this episode of Hammer and Bolter.

Yeah. It's a short story, but I'm inclined to turn your view on its head and say the writers knew the format and what they could fit into it, seen the limitations and went with it anyway. Time for some subjectivity, but my experience with the episode could well be described with your words: "rushed, hurried, missing big chunks". The previous Mechanicus story did the divine quest so well, and I'm just not seeing any of that in this episode.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/27 21:02:36


Post by: Rihgu


Expecting a thrall of chaos, a slave to darkness, to have any agency or their presence matter? Interesting.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/27 21:11:06


Post by: Mr Morden


I quite enjoyed it but its nowhere near as good as Kill Protocol (the Ad Mech one) - that was really good.

Really hoping we get something, anything Age of Sigmar related soon!!!


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/03/28 09:00:59


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Kill Protocol was really good but hampered by animation quality--the fights with the Orks using panning across a static picture to replace animations was particularly egregious. This one tops it for me because while it does not match the fantastic writing the animation is an order of magnitude better.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Overread wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
 Overread wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
 Overread wrote:
GODS Plague Song is good!


So I liked every other Hammer and Bolter just fine, but this one, truth be told, was just weird gak and I didn't get it.


Spoiler:

Basically within the Warp itself there's no concept of linear time. So what this Plague army does is attack what is in effect a message relay station of the Imperium, which uses Astropaths who tap into the Warp to deliver messages across the great gulf of space. When the Priest enters the hall and infects the Astropaths he creates a virus that infects their souls and minds, that sets root and corrupts them. Because there's no concept of time they are then able to basically infect all the other ships in the fleet in the past, which means that they rot and fall apart when the Chaos Warship first arrives in the system, because reality and time are being messed with.

Of course he still has to infect the place and take it over to complete the process and to close the circle of events so that the plague is created to then infect the past to allow him through.




Yeah, but why?

Spoiler:
So, I'm not going to talk about time travel nonsense in general. I don't like it. Others do. To each their own.

But why would you make the story about Plague Marine Fred who is working his 9 to 5 job with no agency or stakes or much in the way of investment in what's going on when on the other side you could watch Astropath Steve having a really bad day at the office or Commander Mike taking desperate measures to fight the sudden and explainable outbreak? Why choose the character whose only job is to turn off the lights and lock the door on the way out? Why should I think that's the right protagonist for this story?


Spoiler:


Because we've got LOTS of stories about Steve. We know Steve inside and out and whilst his story is very worth telling as well, Fred has a story we've seen less of in general. So instead of Steve we get Fred. It's not that one side has the superior story, its simply choosing a side and going with it and in this case going with the Plague Marine Sorcerer. And we see loads of agency and elements; we see how the Gods play with their mortal followers; how failure is rewarded; how the warp is used to twist and turn and how the smallest of little demons might just be FAR greater and far more fearsome within the warp. How it corrupts, twists and guides the fallen Marines to do its bidding. We see puss and mutation and we see how the Plague Marines operate.

There's a lot of great elements here in fleshing out the fleshy puss oozing world of the Plague Marines.

And in the end the story can only have so many twists and turns because its a short. It's got one session to tell its entire story. It can't so easily go into super deep complicated twists and turns or setting up a huge major character arc and such because there just isn't the time. The more you'd try and push that kind of story into this kind of time frame the more it might feel rushed, hurried, missing big chunks and the more heavily it would rely on a deeper understanding of the lore of the setting so that it can get away without having to explain things.

I fully agree with you, but I also I don't understand Geifer's argument that this is a regular day for DG--it isn't like Plague Song depicts a common or normal occurrence. It quite clearly is NOT business as usual.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/04/01 23:48:34


Post by: Aash


I got an email from GW inviting me to complete a survey on Warhammer, with some generic questions regarding what i liked about warhammer etc, and what parts of the GW brand I take part in (painting/modelling.40k/HH/AOS/Black library etc) but it was mostly focused on Warhammer plus: did I subscribe, did I end my subscription and why.

What was nice was that it wasn't just check boxes, but a large number of questions allowed to write in feedback in detail.

I wrote that I cancelled the subscription because there wasn't enough content and it was over priced for what it was. In addition that I would like to be able to access electronic versions of the rules etc without having to buy hard copies.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/04/20 14:12:56


Post by: shadowsfm


Yeay, first episode of Interrogator is available


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/04/20 14:22:52


Post by: oni


Aash wrote:
I got an email from GW inviting me to complete a survey on Warhammer, with some generic questions regarding what i liked about warhammer etc, and what parts of the GW brand I take part in (painting/modelling.40k/HH/AOS/Black library etc) but it was mostly focused on Warhammer plus: did I subscribe, did I end my subscription and why.

What was nice was that it wasn't just check boxes, but a large number of questions allowed to write in feedback in detail.

I wrote that I cancelled the subscription because there wasn't enough content and it was over priced for what it was. In addition that I would like to be able to access electronic versions of the rules etc without having to buy hard copies.


I got this too. I assume the surveys were the same, but perhaps it ended depending on the answered given? My survey was very long; easily 100+ questions; it took me like 30 minutes to do it.. It asked some questions about Warhammer+, but also a lot of questions about the W40K game, rules, balance, tournaments... all manner of things.


First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?  @ 2022/04/20 17:22:37


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


shadowsfm wrote:
Yeay, first episode of Interrogator is available


Just watched it.

Genuine Content Warning for anyone who watches WH+ with their Littles? Two actual, proper Swears. Including an F Bomb. Both swears used suitably contextually in my opinion as a Very Sweary person.