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War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 17:17:07


Post by: Dysartes


Not sure what happened to the "general" 40k N&R thread, if there is one.

Anyway, War Zone Octarius Book 1 (plus the associated Crusade book, which brings back Planetstrike) goes up for pre-order next Saturday.

The purple Ordo Xenos dice are quite snazzy.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 17:18:10


Post by: Kanluwen


Find out how the Imperium is handling the sudden explosion of violence,** grant your own Tyranids terrifying new synaptic abilities, and marshal the might of Cadia’s remaining regiments in War Zone Octarius Book 1: Rising Tide, available for pre-order on Saturday in hardback or a luxurious collector’s edition.


I'm super intrigued by this bit.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 17:20:08


Post by: Overread


The new synapse system is a very interesting method of using the ability and makes for some neat interactions for Tyranids. Kinda a shame that the dice are Ordos Xenos - would have been nice to have some Tyranid dice to balance up for the kinda lack of any new tyranid models (or finecast being upgraded to plastic ).




War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 17:22:11


Post by: Kanluwen


The Ordos Xenos dice were, supposedly, to come with the Pariah book and named Inquisitor there. That whole thing got so held up it wasn't even funny.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 17:30:21


Post by: Kitane


I do not plan to spend money on campaign books anymore, but I might get that particular book just for the lovely Tyranid cover.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 17:41:34


Post by: Sotahullu


Kitane wrote:
I do not plan to spend money on campaign books anymore, but I might get that particular book just for the lovely Tyranid cover.


Yep, its sexy.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 18:45:36


Post by: Bago


Huhh that sounds like Imp rules in addition zu Nids. Thats a double score for me


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 19:05:28


Post by: Overread


 Sotahullu wrote:
Kitane wrote:
I do not plan to spend money on campaign books anymore, but I might get that particular book just for the lovely Tyranid cover.


Yep, its sexy.


And I think its some of the newer Tyranid art we've had in a while.
Interesting to also note how thin the arms are on it, one thing that I think we might see one day with Tyranids getting a line revamp (which I do not expect for a long time yet) is not so much seeing the design change, but seeing it become more lithe and thin. When you compare Tyranids to a lot of other armies they are vastly more chunky in parts. Which fits well with them, but I could see GW making some much thinner - esp things like gaunts.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 19:30:29


Post by: tondier


 Kanluwen wrote:
The Ordos Xenos dice were, supposedly, to come with the Pariah book and named Inquisitor there. That whole thing got so held up it wasn't even funny.

This explains a lot, I was curious why Ordo Xenos dice were being sold alongside this when there apparently aren't any rules for Deathwatch or the Inquisition.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 19:55:58


Post by: Dysartes


The ploy seems to be directed by Inquisitor Kryptmann's action, and he was Ordo Xenos?


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 20:27:02


Post by: Kanluwen


 Dysartes wrote:
The ploy seems to be directed by Inquisitor Kryptmann's action, and he was Ordo Xenos?

He was, but it's cleaning up Kryptmann's mess not anything he actually is involved with.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 20:51:31


Post by: MajorWesJanson


This is probably a sort of stopgap/beta rules for nids and guard before they get full codex updates.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 20:53:44


Post by: Bago


 MajorWesJanson wrote:
This is probably a sort of stopgap/beta rules for nids and guard before they get full codex updates.


Hopefully its more than one army of renown for imps then.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 21:29:18


Post by: Kanluwen


 MajorWesJanson wrote:
This is probably a sort of stopgap/beta rules for nids and guard before they get full codex updates.

Not even for Guard...it sounds like it's specifically Cadians.

Hopefully they do an article. I really am interested to know what exactly it is.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 22:28:01


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 MajorWesJanson wrote:
This is probably a sort of stopgap/beta rules for nids and guard before they get full codex updates.
Neither are getting books this year, so this is basically Psychic Awakening 2.0 for these armies. Another another update before they get an actual update.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 23:07:01


Post by: gungo


Hoping for an ork army of renown to make either dread Mob or greentide slightly more viable again. Ya I know buggy lists are doing okay but it's the other themes that need a boost.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 23:24:22


Post by: kronk


Army rules updates in a campaign book. Again? As before, even if they make my army amazing, kiss my grits.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/10 23:57:46


Post by: GaroRobe


Did the rumors ever mention if we'd get a catchan vs tyranid kill team?


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 00:14:28


Post by: Tastyfish


 GaroRobe wrote:
Did the rumors ever mention if we'd get a catchan vs tyranid kill team?

No they didn't, but they did mention Cadian vets as a thing that now existed as models.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 06:50:15


Post by: BrookM


Knowing GW, the Cadians will be having a lot of valiant last stands, that's all they're good for these days. Actually amazing that with the rate at which GW has them doing those Cadians haven't gone extinct yet.

Will be skipping the campaign book, they're too expensive for what they offer, shame really as the Vigilus books they did a few years ago were so much better.

Will be picking up the Crusade book however.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 09:55:07


Post by: Geifer


 BrookM wrote:
Knowing GW, the Cadians will be having a lot of valiant last stands, that's all they're good for these days. Actually amazing that with the rate at which GW has them doing those Cadians haven't gone extinct yet.


Heh! Sounds like a very GW thing to do. Now that Cadia got exploded every Cadian death is an irreplaceable loss. The writers sure like stereotyping their forces. It's such an easy shorthand.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 12:04:14


Post by: Kanluwen


Tyranid article.

Were Monstrous Boneswords a thing before?


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 12:08:10


Post by: xttz


 Kanluwen wrote:
Tyranid article.

Were Monstrous Boneswords a thing before?


Yeah those are the Hive Tyrant version. Tyranid Primes can take regular boneswords.

Quite pumped for Hive Guard with full rerolls:



War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 12:09:53


Post by: lord_blackfang


Bloat for the bloat god!


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 12:10:50


Post by: KurtAngle2


The Power Level is quite high with these rules


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 12:18:17


Post by: NAVARRO


No new models?


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 12:19:41


Post by: Kanluwen


 NAVARRO wrote:
No new models?

None were shown yesterday, so no.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 12:26:13


Post by: NAVARRO


 Kanluwen wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
No new models?

None were shown yesterday, so no.


Far from ideal but hey sooner or later something will spawn for nids..


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 12:37:45


Post by: Kanluwen


 NAVARRO wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
No new models?

None were shown yesterday, so no.


Far from ideal but hey sooner or later something will spawn for nids..

There's at least two rumour engines that point towards a plastic Lictor and Red Terror.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 12:39:41


Post by: Nevelon


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
This is probably a sort of stopgap/beta rules for nids and guard before they get full codex updates.
Neither are getting books this year, so this is basically Psychic Awakening 2.0 for these armies. Another another update before they get an actual update.


At least this includes the old stuff?

GW wrote:On top of this all, the Appendix: Tyranids section collects all of the additional rules published in the Psychic Awakening series in one place, making War Zone Octarius – Book 1 the definitive supplement for players looking to get more out of their ravenous murder-bugs.


Plus side, don’t need to cary all the books, good for people who didn’t buy the PA stuff. Down side, for those who did buy it, you pay again for the same stuff taking up page count in a new book.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 12:46:40


Post by: xttz


 Nevelon wrote:
Down side, for those who did buy it, you pay again for the same stuff taking up page count in a new book.


That's not true though. Both Charadon books are the same price, despite the 2nd one having a reprint of CSM PA rules and an extra ~20 pages.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 12:54:21


Post by: chaos0xomega


 Nevelon wrote:


GW wrote:On top of this all, the Appendix: Tyranids section collects all of the additional rules published in the Psychic Awakening series in one place, making War Zone Octarius – Book 1 the definitive supplement for players looking to get more out of their ravenous murder-bugs.


Yknow, if they started doing this with all the campaign books (i.e. printing anything found in previous campaign books for the faction(s) in question) it wouldn't be too bad, it would stop you from needing to carry more than 1 additional book with your Codex (and/or Codex Supplement), i.e. you don't have to carry every campaign book that your faction appeared in with you, just the most recent campaign book.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 12:55:25


Post by: Gert


The cover on that is great, the Hive Tyrant just seems so indignant that it's getting shot, but also, yay! Planetstrike! And also more fancy click-clack cubes (I may or may not have a dice addiction).


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 13:34:33


Post by: NAVARRO


 Kanluwen wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
No new models?

None were shown yesterday, so no.


Far from ideal but hey sooner or later something will spawn for nids..

There's at least two rumour engines that point towards a plastic Lictor and Red Terror.


Something for Christmas maybe...
Hope that the design changes a bit and comes with options and its not just a old models update.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 13:34:55


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Nevelon wrote:
At least this includes the old stuff?
"Now with the rules you already bought once!" is not a value-adding proposition.

These DLC books are awful. They're even worse when they're a quasi-update before you even get a Codex.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 13:50:22


Post by: The Phazer


 Kanluwen wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
No new models?

None were shown yesterday, so no.


Far from ideal but hey sooner or later something will spawn for nids..

There's at least two rumour engines that point towards a plastic Lictor and Red Terror.


Hasn't there been some suggestion the Lictor might be for Kill Team?

Still useful for 40K but not attached to a Codex.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 13:52:33


Post by: Kanluwen


 NAVARRO wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
No new models?

None were shown yesterday, so no.


Far from ideal but hey sooner or later something will spawn for nids..

There's at least two rumour engines that point towards a plastic Lictor and Red Terror.


Something for Christmas maybe...
Hope that the design changes a bit and comes with options and its not just a old models update.

I'd hazard a guess that it'll be 2022. There is a rumour of a Kill Team set featuring Catachans and Lictors, but it was not part of the Big Rumour Dump that is currently at a 99.99% accuracy rating.

Here's the rumour engines in question:
Spoiler:




Automatically Appended Next Post:
 The Phazer wrote:

Hasn't there been some suggestion the Lictor might be for Kill Team?

Still useful for 40K but not attached to a Codex.

The suggestion came from Lady Atia+Bob over at War of Sigmar, not the Big Rumour Dump.

Not saying it won't happen! Just noting that it comes from something else entirely.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 14:28:00


Post by: Sasori


Kan,

Can you post those rumors? I only remember the big drop and a fake 4 chan set of rumors.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 14:39:17


Post by: Kanluwen


 Sasori wrote:
Kan,

Can you post those rumors? I only remember the big drop and a fake 4 chan set of rumors.

The lictor one?

Just that there's a Kill Team box with a Lictor Brood and resculpted Catachans.

FWIW, Bob+Atia started talking about it before we saw the two store promo(Jackson was a store opening model, Colonel was to be a store anniversary model) Catachans that got rejigged into the fundraiser for indie shop Colonel and Sgt Ripper Jackson.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 15:03:13


Post by: gungo


The big rumor dump did say guard were getting 2 new regiment updates (which most presumed were krieg and catachan anyway) and Cadian vets. Plus a bigger then leman russ but smaller than baneblade tank (aka not malcador). So it’s not a hard stretch to guess a new catachan vs tyranid killteam box.

It’s no longer hard for them to make multiple regiments all you need is a troop/vet box, command box, and heavy weapon team box. But still selling 3 regiments seems to be a little wishlisty


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 15:11:16


Post by: Quasistellar


I don't care how good the rules are with these books -- I'm done buying them.

Those Ordo Xenos dice, however. . .


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 15:17:38


Post by: Ordana


KurtAngle2 wrote:
The Power Level is quite high with these rules
Boneswords (both kinds) are only ap -2. a lot of invul saves are 2 worse then the models own save so ignoring invuls will often not actually even do anything.

Being able to chose your WL trait every turn sounds cool and is in character, but Tyranid warlord traits are generally crap (that is why they almost always get thrown out for an Adaptive thingy from Psychic Awakening)

So its just reroll hits for 1 unit. Which is good mind you but Nids need a whole lot more then that.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 15:25:24


Post by: DreadfullyHopeful


 Ordana wrote:
Boneswords (both kinds) are only ap -2. a lot of invul saves are 2 worse then the models own save so ignoring invuls will often not actually even do anything.



But that'll hurt demons. Ouch !


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 15:32:06


Post by: NAVARRO


Thanks for the rumours pics.

Looks like traditional design choices there but still early days. How good would it be a nice Lictor with options and variant tails, heads... talons etc.
Next year then. Whats a few months between Nid collectors.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 17:10:02


Post by: Lord Damocles


 Kanluwen wrote:
Tyranid article.
Spoiler:

Were Monstrous Boneswords a thing before?

*Muttering in Warscythe*


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 19:30:46


Post by: Theophony


Maybe the Nids will come for a Thanksgiving (US version) Feast, which always brings on a Black Friday as the skies are full of Drop/Spore Pods.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 20:04:54


Post by: Kanluwen


Purportedly, the last two codices of the year are Talons of the Emperor(Custodes and Sisters of Silence) and GSC. Those two pairings are getting a battlebox.

Tyranids are a wildcard. Next year is supposed to be Craftworlds and more CSM stuff.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/11 21:32:06


Post by: Kitane


I still find it funny that they used a picture of the Swarmlord for the new relic.

He is equipped with bonesabers (not applicable) and he is also a named character (no relic anyway).

But then again, monstrous bone swords have to be kitbashed for tyrants, the only official bone swords are the little ones for warriors...

Nids in nutshell...

I do like what was shown, though. I have a lot of Leviathan Nids on the shelf....


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 00:15:05


Post by: Jarms48


 MajorWesJanson wrote:
This is probably a sort of stopgap/beta rules for nids and guard before they get full codex updates.


I just hope they bring back the Guard specialist detachments as Army of Renowns.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 06:55:42


Post by: xttz


Kitane wrote:
I still find it funny that they used a picture of the Swarmlord for the new relic.

He is equipped with bonesabers (not applicable) and he is also a named character (no relic anyway).

But then again, monstrous bone swords have to be kitbashed for tyrants, the only official bone swords are the little ones for warriors...

Nids in nutshell...

I do like what was shown, though. I have a lot of Leviathan Nids on the shelf....


That will be because there's no stock photo of a Hive Tyrant with just two boneswords, and it was hardly worth painting one up for this article.

I've always assumed that GW thinks it's fine to use two bonesabres as a pair of monstrous boneswords anyway. Otherwise why would there be a unit option for them in a codex written many years after the kit was released?


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 12:48:18


Post by: Gene St. Ealer


 xttz wrote:
Kitane wrote:
I still find it funny that they used a picture of the Swarmlord for the new relic.

He is equipped with bonesabers (not applicable) and he is also a named character (no relic anyway).

But then again, monstrous bone swords have to be kitbashed for tyrants, the only official bone swords are the little ones for warriors...

Nids in nutshell...

I do like what was shown, though. I have a lot of Leviathan Nids on the shelf....


That will be because there's no stock photo of a Hive Tyrant with just two boneswords, and it was hardly worth painting one up for this article.

I've always assumed that GW thinks it's fine to use two bonesabres as a pair of monstrous boneswords anyway. Otherwise why would there be a unit option for them in a codex written many years after the kit was released?


I'm not sure I agree here. Is there precedent for GW naming one weapon bit two different things? Yeah, I know the Hive Tyrant is a kind of anomalous kit/loadout anyways, but Bone Sabres are Bone Sabres; they are visually distinct from Boneswords and do different things.

Did we have dual bonesword loadouts in 6th? 5th? I actually forgot that that was a thing we could do in the 8e book.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 13:25:20


Post by: PoorGravitasHandling


Increasingly suspecting that Guard, Nids, and Knights are getting token supplement support because those codices are dropping in 10th.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 13:26:40


Post by: Kanluwen


Well, we got our answer on what Cadians are getting...

Spoiler:




There’s plenty more to see in Rising Tide, including a new suite of Crusade rules for Astra Militarum armies, so stay tuned as we take a deeper look into War Zone Octarius later this week.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 13:27:26


Post by: Grimskul


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/12/the-whiteshields-are-back-and-codex-supplement-cadia-makes-them-hard-enough-to-shrug-off-lascannons/

More Octarius previews are up today, this time showcasing Cadians. Not really fond of how much they're spamming variations of transhuman (trans-cadian now I guess?) across armies, especially when they're tied to specific subfactions or units. Interesting that they're trying to make conscripts relevant again though and that a strat affects all units of one type in a detachment, since I don't believe we've seen that before. I hope this is a sign of a possible Ard Boyz upgrade that can be applied for when the Orks get their preview.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 13:28:42


Post by: Gene St. Ealer


 Grimskul wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/12/the-whiteshields-are-back-and-codex-supplement-cadia-makes-them-hard-enough-to-shrug-off-lascannons/

More Octarius previews are up today, this time showcasing Cadians. Not really fond of how much they're spamming variations of transhuman (trans-cadian now I guess?) across armies, especially when they're tied to specific subfactions or units. Interesting that they're trying to make conscripts relevant again though and that a strat affects all units of one type in a detachment, since I don't believe we've seen that before. I hope this is a sign of a possible Ard Boyz upgrade that can be applied for when the Orks get their preview.


Yeah, it really is kind of surprising they're boosting a "no model, no rules" unit. Kind of an encouraging sign actually, let's hope it continues.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 13:33:31


Post by: Kanluwen


PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
Increasingly suspecting that Guard, Nids, and Knights are getting token supplement support because those codices are dropping in 10th.

I don't think 10th, but yes. It does feel like there's Something Big in the works for some of these books. Knights could have been an incredibly easy token release with nothing but a new book and maybe some transfer sheets...but it hasn't been done yet. We have a rumour of Chaos Knights next year with a new Knight in there, but nothing on Loyalist Knights.
We have a fairly reliable rumour right now of Genestealer Cults coming in December/January time...but nothing outside a Tyranids v Catachan KT box for the Tyranids.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 13:34:54


Post by: Gadzilla666


Hey! Cadians got "Normal" Human Physiology!


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 13:39:17


Post by: Arbitrator


Pouring one out for my boy Lukas dying off-screen.



War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 13:42:39


Post by: H.B.M.C.


They... they gave Conscripts Trans-Human and All is Dust.

They've lost the plot.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 13:46:40


Post by: MinMax


 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
Is there precedent for GW naming one weapon bit two different things?

Sure - just look at the entire Primaris Marines line.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 14:02:19


Post by: xttz


 MinMax wrote:
 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
Is there precedent for GW naming one weapon bit two different things?

Sure - just look at the entire Primaris Marines line.


Or basically any relic weapon


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 14:04:06


Post by: Gene St. Ealer


 MinMax wrote:
 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
Is there precedent for GW naming one weapon bit two different things?

Sure - just look at the entire Primaris Marines line.


?? There are different bits for each of the 3 bespoke guns that Primaris get and they don't the same as regular bolters/plasma/etc.?

Relic weapons, I will give you. But that's obviously a completely different category.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 14:04:06


Post by: Arbitrator


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They... they gave Conscripts Trans-Human and All is Dust.

They've lost the plot.

Gotta shift that new £29 set of 20-year old Cadians somehow.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 14:04:33


Post by: Grimskul


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They... they gave Conscripts Trans-Human and All is Dust.

They've lost the plot.


Yeaaaaaah. I guess they want to help sell the updated Cadian plastic kit? It's weird because if you'd expect anything to get a transhuman style strat, you'd expect Ogryns/Bullgryns, not regular squishy dudes. At least Catachans would make more sense.

Either way, very weird to see subfaction specific updates when their codices haven't even been released yet.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 14:04:57


Post by: Kanluwen


 Arbitrator wrote:
Pouring one out for my boy Lukas dying off-screen.


So far off-screen that it's been three whole editions now, when they just offed him from book swapping.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 14:05:56


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Arbitrator wrote:
Pouring one out for my boy Lukas dying off-screen.
He lived as he died: Without a miniature.

Poor guy never stood a chance...




War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 14:10:32


Post by: Grimskul


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Pouring one out for my boy Lukas dying off-screen.
He lived as he died: Without a miniature.

Poor guy never stood a chance...




I guess at least he's got a relic to remind everyone of him alongside Chekov's "no-run" pistol and Alrahem's claw of the desert tigers. Still nothing for Mogul Kamir.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 14:16:54


Post by: H.B.M.C.


What about 'ol Stumper Muckstart?


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 14:17:49


Post by: Sunny Side Up


 Grimskul wrote:


Either way, very weird to see subfaction specific updates when their codices haven't even been released yet.


As there hasn't been a full re-set as in 2nd to 3rd or 7th to 8th, they have a Codex.

Historically, factions frequently went multiple "back-compatible" editions with a single Codex.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 14:20:43


Post by: Grimskul


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What about 'ol Stumper Muckstart?


You'll have to settle for Rein and Rauss, plus abhumans don't have the genetic purity for relics apparently.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 14:24:14


Post by: lord_blackfang


Someone remind me why Guardsmen needed extra protection against lascannons


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 14:26:25


Post by: Grimskul


 lord_blackfang wrote:
Someone remind me why Guardsmen needed extra protection against lascannons


Because that'll be the next primaris unit and they need to start small before they start blasting the big things like they should be.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 14:28:02


Post by: Kanluwen


Who is shooting lascannons at Guardsmen...?


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 14:31:19


Post by: Sunny Side Up


 Kanluwen wrote:
Who is shooting lascannons at Guardsmen...?


Abaddon, presumably.

It's all about the "Cadia broke before the Cadians did"-thing, Cadians are tough. Narrative, campaign, lore, stuff for Black Library fans.



War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 14:51:58


Post by: gungo


 Grimskul wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They... they gave Conscripts Trans-Human and All is Dust.

They've lost the plot.


Yeaaaaaah. I guess they want to help sell the updated Cadian plastic kit? It's weird because if you'd expect anything to get a transhuman style strat, you'd expect Ogryns/Bullgryns, not regular squishy dudes. At least Catachans would make more sense.

Either way, very weird to see subfaction specific updates when their codices haven't even been released yet.

I mean conscripts are still overpriced and still worse then infantry squads but sure dump some more CP into them. Maybe if this was 7th edition they would be cool with horde armies but that isn’t really working right now in 9th. I just don’t see squads of bs5 str3 lasguns that fold to a wet dream in morale really doing much.

Also where’s my ork army of renown :p


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 15:01:08


Post by: Voss


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
This is probably a sort of stopgap/beta rules for nids and guard before they get full codex updates.
Neither are getting books this year, so this is basically Psychic Awakening 2.0 for these armies. Another another update before they get an actual update.


Yeah, and mostly specifically for Hive Fleet Leviathan. That's... super annoying.

The bloat is bad enough, but the specificity of the bloat makes it so much worse.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 15:13:26


Post by: Sunny Side Up


Well, I also (personally) think these feel more like Vigilus, less then PA.

PA (whether successful or not) felt like it was trying to update entire armies (Farsight supplement notwithstanding).

These, like Vigilus, feel like the writers just trying to ham up one fringe idea or another:


- Uh, all jetbike eldar army, lets write a specialist detachment with as many movement rules and synonyms for speed as we can fit.
- Uh, a Martyred Lady supplement, lets write as many rules around getting yourself killed and martyred puns as we can fit.

Etc..


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 18:18:37


Post by: Irbis


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They... they gave Conscripts Trans-Human and All is Dust.

They've lost the plot.

I had no idea Cadian conscripts have T4, W2, 3+ statline. If you want example where GW lost its plot and smashed both the fluff and game balance, it's idiotic orkstodes buff (and W2 for squats). This does literally nothing 95% of the time, so nice hyperbole.

 MinMax wrote:
 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
Is there precedent for GW naming one weapon bit two different things?

Sure - just look at the entire Primaris Marines line.

Only if you believe that imbecile troll from 4chan and his bait post from a few months back. Because in RL, the whole point of primaris are different, clear game role weapons allowing for multiple playstyles SM were terrible at before despite doing so all the time in fluff. Intercessors alone are better rule writing, playstyle diversity and balance attempt than the whole SM range up to ~2015.

Also, funnily enough, what you said applies to squats. Name zero differences between bolter, bolt gun, and bolt carbine. Or twin bolter, combi bolter, and storm bolter. Or plasma cannon, heavy plasma cannon, and heavy plasma gun. Or [insert dozen more examples]


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 18:35:00


Post by: Grimskul


 Irbis wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They... they gave Conscripts Trans-Human and All is Dust.

They've lost the plot.

I had no idea Cadian conscripts have T4, W2, 3+ statline. If you want example where GW lost its plot and smashed both the fluff and game balance, it's idiotic orkstodes buff (and W2 for squats). This does literally nothing 95% of the time, so nice hyperbole.

 MinMax wrote:
 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
Is there precedent for GW naming one weapon bit two different things?

Sure - just look at the entire Primaris Marines line.

Only if you believe that imbecile troll from 4chan and his bait post from a few months back. Because in RL, the whole point of primaris are different, clear game role weapons allowing for multiple playstyles SM were terrible at before despite doing so all the time in fluff. Intercessors alone are better rule writing, playstyle diversity and balance attempt than the whole SM range up to ~2015.

Also, funnily enough, what you said applies to squats. Name zero differences between bolter, bolt gun, and bolt carbine. Or twin bolter, combi bolter, and storm bolter. Or plasma cannon, heavy plasma cannon, and heavy plasma gun. Or [insert dozen more examples]


I don't get why you're still on the hate bandwagon for Orks getting T5, if you haven't noticed, it hasn't exactly taken the meta by storm, and the trade-off came in both strats, points hikes and datasheet support. Conventional green tide is dead and Ork "boyz" are only good in two major specialist formats: Kommandos and Stormboyz, and those are largely in an objective grabbing or action maximizing format than actual killiness. Taking normal boyz is purely as a tax now and sadly grots can fulfill that function despite how bad they are.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 21:41:48


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Irbis wrote:
I had no idea Cadian conscripts have T4, W2, 3+ statline.
Which has all of nothing to do with the rule they've given Cadians.

They could have done anything with a Guard update, focusing in on Guard army structure, heirarchy, types of commanders, order systems, platoon structure, the attached groups that aid the Guard (Ecclesiarchy, Commissariat, Enginseers, sanctioned Psykers, etc.), and so on.

But no: They just made a strat that makes some Guardsmen magically tougher.

 Irbis wrote:
This does literally nothing 95% of the time, so nice hyperbole.
Don't use words you don't understand.



War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 21:59:23


Post by: Las


 H.B.M.C. wrote:

They could have done anything with a Guard update, focusing in on Guard army structure, heirarchy, types of commanders, order systems, platoon structure, the attached groups that aid the Guard (Ecclesiarchy, Commissariat, Enginseers, sanctioned Psykers, etc.), and so on.

But no: They just made a strat that makes some Guardsmen magically tougher.



100% agree with you. My unrealistic expectation would be that they do this for the actual Guard release. I'm not holding my breath, but still.

This reads to me pretty clearly as a stop-gap bone thrown to Guard and Nid players. Doubt we'll be seeing either book for quite a while.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 22:25:30


Post by: Rihgu


Sunny Side Up wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Who is shooting lascannons at Guardsmen...?


Abaddon, presumably.

It's all about the "Cadia broke before the Cadians did"-thing, Cadians are tough. Narrative, campaign, lore, stuff for Black Library fans.


As a narrative fan, I don't see how making conscripts able to shrug off lascannons is a rule made for my enjoyment. It doesn't make any sense.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 22:39:21


Post by: Kanluwen


 Las wrote:

100% agree with you. My unrealistic expectation would be that they do this for the actual Guard release. I'm not holding my breath, but still.

This reads to me pretty clearly as a stop-gap bone thrown to Guard and Nid players. Doubt we'll be seeing either book for quite a while.

This isn't for Guard players.

It's for Cadian players.

In my eyes? This is awesome.
They found a way to differentiate Whiteshields from the trash squads that Conscripts are.

Really not seeing the big hoopla over "Cadia Stands!". It's not like it's baked into the unit like "Augmented Mount" is for Death Riders or characters/vehicles like Cult of Sacrifice is for DKoK as a Regimental trait.
Is it strong? Yeah. But this is the game as it stands now. These kinds of stratagems exist, sorry.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Rihgu wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Who is shooting lascannons at Guardsmen...?


Abaddon, presumably.

It's all about the "Cadia broke before the Cadians did"-thing, Cadians are tough. Narrative, campaign, lore, stuff for Black Library fans.


As a narrative fan, I don't see how making conscripts able to shrug off lascannons is a rule made for my enjoyment. It doesn't make any sense.

Sure it does. They keep on fighting, despite having a laser hole in them.

That's one of the downsides to lasweapons even! They can cauterize the wound, leaving you able to fight...just with a hole in you.

Would we really even be having this whole line of discussion if they had titled it without the lascannon bit? Who knows!


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 22:47:53


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Kanluwen wrote:
This isn't for Guard players.

It's for Cadian players.
Are you serious?

The level of cognitive dissonance you display on a daily basis is truly spectacular!





War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/12 23:35:14


Post by: alphaecho


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What about 'ol Stumper Muckstart?



One of the finest characters of 2nd Ed.

Didn't even cost enough points to give your opponent a Victory Point for killing him.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/13 01:03:16


Post by: Rihgu


 Kanluwen wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Who is shooting lascannons at Guardsmen...?


Abaddon, presumably.

It's all about the "Cadia broke before the Cadians did"-thing, Cadians are tough. Narrative, campaign, lore, stuff for Black Library fans.


As a narrative fan, I don't see how making conscripts able to shrug off lascannons is a rule made for my enjoyment. It doesn't make any sense.

Sure it does. They keep on fighting, despite having a laser hole in them.

That's one of the downsides to lasweapons even! They can cauterize the wound, leaving you able to fight...just with a hole in you.

Would we really even be having this whole line of discussion if they had titled it without the lascannon bit? Who knows!


Honestly, the ridiculousness of the "narrative" wouldn't have crossed my mind if they hadn't highlighted it. Normally I'm fine with excusing game mechanics as game mechanics but something about a Warhammer Community article pointing it out in the title of an article crossed the line for me.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/13 01:17:50


Post by: Kanluwen


I kind of wondered if they were having a bit of a tongue in cheek moment, given that people made Conscripts out to be the Most Terrifying Thing Ever back at the launch of 8E.

But yeah. I can get that stance, Rihgu.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 09:39:19


Post by: GiToRaZor


Hostely "meh", I'm not even surprised anymore.

Fluff wise, I never liked Cadia. While the background idea of 20th century 40K Israel/South Korea on steroids was great, I think they entirely missed any opportunity to give the setting drawbacks or interesting plot points. IMHO Cadians were always just a band of Mary Sues. But then, thats what being Codex Poster boys gets you.

Cadias Fall had the potential to change all that, make Cadia to a martyrical Crusade/Fleet based faction, to drag Chaos into the gutters of their own extinction First and Only style. That would have been fresh to Guard and have the potential of awesomeness. But instead they focus on ..... Conscripts. The one thing Cadia sure has no big supply of, being a non existing populace and all that. And then there is the entire point of Conscipts being even more trashy in 9th than regular guard squads, since they can't even grant you being overkilled to save other units hide. It doesn't help that by todays standards the models are ugly, extra heads or not. I am certain the marketing department came up with that idea. Need to sell more overpriced models of drinking age before the next Codex in 2-5 years.

To the Cadian Players out there, I'm glad that you get at least something, but I sure would have hoped for it to be more meaningful. Fact is though, no level of supplement can fix the inherent problems the Guard has in 9th. And I think not even GW knows a way out, hence the Codex takes forever to get updated.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 12:48:03


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Holy recycled material Batman! Look at all the stuff they're asking us to buy again:





War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 12:51:14


Post by: bullyboy


Yeah, even though I'm interested in the Deathwatch list, I'm not rebuying this material.
Also, with nids and guard getting crusade rules in here, that pretty much pushes their respective codexes way down the line.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 12:54:03


Post by: chaos0xomega


I agree, Cadians are meh and this is mostly meh. This would be moderately exciting if the fortification datasheets and Inquisition mini-codex was going to be an actual update to the rules for those units/terrain pieces, etc. - but they won't be, they'll most likely be a copypaste of the existing with a few minor and unexciting tweaks.

The one plus of this is that the Fortress of Redemption having a datasheet included in the book hints that they might bring it back into production, in which case I'm buying 2 or 3 of them. The downside of that though is that this was clearly a missed opportunity to bring the rest of the wall of martyrs range out of retirement (I want Firestorm Redoubts and Aquila Strongpoints damnit).


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 13:00:59


Post by: Dysartes


Hmm - did the last printing of the =][= stuff include the Ordo Malleus =][= in Terminator Armour, who appears to be missing here?


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 13:02:05


Post by: Gene St. Ealer


 bullyboy wrote:
Yeah, even though I'm interested in the Deathwatch list, I'm not rebuying this material.
Also, with nids and guard getting crusade rules in here, that pretty much pushes their respective codexes way down the line.


I'm sure it does push their codexes down the line, and it is unconscionable to me. Both armies will remain broken (i.e. basically nonfunctional in moderately competitive games without huge min maxing) for the foreseeable future. This is worse than 7th; at least back then, Nids still got a few new models.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 13:07:58


Post by: Gert


Dakka: Complains that Codex isn't out yet.
Also Dakka: Complains when a book is released to tide those late release factions over.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 13:10:28


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Gert wrote:
Dakka: Complains that Codex isn't out yet.
Also Dakka: Complains when a book is released to tide those late release factions over.
Gert: Thinks these two things are somehow mutually exclusive.
Also Gert: Somehow missed how much material in this is just reprinted or 2 page DLC for books that are already out (or not even out, in some weird cases).








War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 13:12:05


Post by: bullyboy


 Gert wrote:
Dakka: Complains that Codex isn't out yet.
Also Dakka: Complains when a book is released to tide those late release factions over.

Dakka rightfully complains when GW is releasing old material with new high price. I play Deathwatch, you really think I'm going to spend $60 for 2 pages? Nope!!

Its also not an update for Guard or Nids, its an update for Cadia and Leviathan. Too bad if you don't play those specific factions.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 13:17:26


Post by: Gene St. Ealer


 Gert wrote:
Dakka: Complains that Codex isn't out yet.
Also Dakka: Complains when a book is released to tide those late release factions over.


Let's WaIt AnD SeE if things change materially enough to TiDe ThEm OvEr. History gives us reason to be skeptical, it's not likely for this to be the Harlequins WD supplement.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 13:23:20


Post by: Gert


 bullyboy wrote:
Dakka rightfully complains when GW is releasing old material with new high price. I play Deathwatch, you really think I'm going to spend $60 for 2 pages? Nope!!

And that's you making a choice as a consumer. I'm just poking fun at everyone complaining all the time
For me it's good because I play DW, Guard that often use the Cadian rules, and have some Inquisition minis to go along with my DW.

Its also not an update for Guard or Nids, its an update for Cadia and Leviathan. Too bad if you don't play those specific factions.

Guard get Crusade content and Nids get Crusade content + that appendix. It's not just Cadia and Leviathan. The main reason I've not been playing my Guard is that I really want to do a Crusade but the Marine stuff is lacklustre and the Druhkari stuff requires me to paint them which I am struggling with rn. Oh yeah also there's lore and I love me my stories.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
Let's WaIt AnD SeE if things change materially enough to TiDe ThEm OvEr. History gives us reason to be skeptical, it's not likely for this to be the Harlequins WD supplement.

No need to be rude.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 13:23:28


Post by: gungo


And now onto the 30th to see the teaser for book 2….


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 13:30:36


Post by: Gene St. Ealer


 Gert wrote:

No need to be rude.


Why am I "being rude" but you're "poking fun"? I don't see a real difference in our tones, and I disagree with your assertion. That said, I apologize and I'll back off, but I remain skeptical that this $60 book will do anything to tide my army over.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 13:35:43


Post by: xttz


 bullyboy wrote:

Its also not an update for Guard or Nids, its an update for Cadia and Leviathan. Too bad if you don't play those specific factions.


The Crusade & Synaptic Link rules work for all Nids, not just Leviathan.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 13:51:28


Post by: PoorGravitasHandling


New terrain kit, center?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/0iMlXR717OrA0waR.jpg

It looks like a modular fortification of some kind. Defensive walls plus a blockhouse at the very least.

Also, once again Teal Supremacy prevails for painting.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 13:55:51


Post by: Kanluwen


It's the base for the Fortress of Redemption, which is apparently no longer sold.

They took the DA statuary off and didn't put the buttressing on the middle bit.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 15:06:59


Post by: Jidmah


No legendary missions? :(


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 15:15:30


Post by: Quasistellar


 Dysartes wrote:
Hmm - did the last printing of the =][= stuff include the Ordo Malleus =][= in Terminator Armour, who appears to be missing here?


It did indeed.

I could say I’m excited to get new Inquisition stuff, but I know it’ll just be reprints of the white dwarf index again from 2 years ago, just with even less stuff.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 18:29:18


Post by: Aeneades


chaos0xomega wrote:
The one plus of this is that the Fortress of Redemption having a datasheet included in the book hints that they might bring it back into production, in which case I'm buying 2 or 3 of them. The downside of that though is that this was clearly a missed opportunity to bring the rest of the wall of martyrs range out of retirement (I want Firestorm Redoubts and Aquila Strongpoints damnit).


Fortress of Redemption is still available in the UK and Europe. Not sure why they seem to no longer sell in the US / Australia

Temporarily out of stock on the official store (https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Fortress-of-Redemption) but still in stock at third parties such as https://elementgames.co.uk/games-workshop/warhammer-40k/warhammer-40k-scenery/fortress-of-redemption


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 19:07:33


Post by: Joyboozer


Cadians shrug off wounds like a GW fan takes price rises. Magnificent.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/14 19:17:42


Post by: Dudeface


Joyboozer wrote:
Cadians shrug off wounds like a GW fan takes price rises. Magnificent.


1/6 more than most do?


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/15 04:52:25


Post by: MajorWesJanson


chaos0xomega wrote:
I agree, Cadians are meh and this is mostly meh. This would be moderately exciting if the fortification datasheets and Inquisition mini-codex was going to be an actual update to the rules for those units/terrain pieces, etc. - but they won't be, they'll most likely be a copypaste of the existing with a few minor and unexciting tweaks.

The one plus of this is that the Fortress of Redemption having a datasheet included in the book hints that they might bring it back into production, in which case I'm buying 2 or 3 of them. The downside of that though is that this was clearly a missed opportunity to bring the rest of the wall of martyrs range out of retirement (I want Firestorm Redoubts and Aquila Strongpoints damnit).


Even better, bring back the vengeance batteries and reprint the plasma obliterator!


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/15 04:54:16


Post by: H.B.M.C.


But they don't sell 'em, and only mad lads like me have them in abundance.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/15 06:11:45


Post by: Jarms48



This isn't for Guard players.

It's for Cadian players.

In my eyes? This is awesome.
They found a way to differentiate Whiteshields from the trash squads that Conscripts are.

Really not seeing the big hoopla over "Cadia Stands!". It's not like it's baked into the unit like "Augmented Mount" is for Death Riders or characters/vehicles like Cult of Sacrifice is for DKoK as a Regimental trait.
Is it strong? Yeah. But this is the game as it stands now. These kinds of stratagems exist, sorry.


This is for Guard players, as it will be the only way to play Guard competitively until our codex drops. It's literally 7th edition Cadian codex supplement all over again.


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 Dysartes wrote:
Hmm - did the last printing of the =][= stuff include the Ordo Malleus =][= in Terminator Armour, who appears to be missing here?


I'm hoping they make the named Inquisitors more viable. Or allow the other Inquisition options to be taken alongside an Inquisitor in some way.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/15 06:57:58


Post by: tneva82


And every guard player can simply write cadia as regiment to army list. Done


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/15 08:59:28


Post by: Crimson


Oh, the Inquisition! I wasn't expecting that. I really wish they actually do some updating to the rules this time. Letting Inquisitors to wear power armour again and giving the henchmen too the rule that allows them to be included without breaking army/detachment bonuses would be on top of my list.

When we will see the first reviews of this?



War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/15 09:04:44


Post by: BrookM


Giving Inquisitors access to power armour again would indeed be a dream come true, but chances of that happening..


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/15 09:05:12


Post by: Esmer


 Crimson wrote:
Oh, the Inquisition! I wasn't expecting that.


I see what you did there.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/15 10:12:22


Post by: Arbitrator


 BrookM wrote:
Giving Inquisitors access to power armour again would indeed be a dream come true, but chances of that happening..

I'm still shocked we've yet to see a Build-Your-Own-Inquisitor box. I know GW is allergic to options these days, but you'd think they'd make an exception for the guys/gals who stand out as being the most individually unique. They could even charge a stupid price for it and get the white knights to justify it as "but look at all the Bits(tm) you get!!!"

 Crimson wrote:
When we will see the first reviews of this?


Saturday when the influencers are allowed to advertise it to us.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/15 10:48:33


Post by: BrookM


Something along the lines of the old space marine commander boxed set would be ace, but something tells me it'll be through Kill Team that we may see the inevitable streamline and renewal of the Inquisition.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/15 11:27:48


Post by: Spreelock


I'm getting super hyped about this book, I'm already collecting cadians and the nids have a soft spot in me, in fact, I'm considering about starting a leviathan army. Plus, I have some inquisition models and fortress of redemption, so this book is a solid win for me. And of course, all of the lore is exciting as well.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/15 12:38:32


Post by: Bago


 Crimson wrote:


When we will see the first reviews of this?



They put out an embargo for their products, embargo drop is normally with the start of preorder. Its 11am in Germany Saturdays.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/15 19:52:41


Post by: Gimgamgoo


Bago wrote:
 Crimson wrote:


When we will see the first reviews of this?



They put out an embargo for their products, embargo drop is normally with the start of preorder. Its 11am in Germany Saturdays.


Really?
So GW send out preview copies, but don't allow the reviews till the fomo sales are over? Do they fear bad reviews?


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/15 20:06:14


Post by: Kanluwen


 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Bago wrote:
 Crimson wrote:


When we will see the first reviews of this?



They put out an embargo for their products, embargo drop is normally with the start of preorder. Its 11am in Germany Saturdays.


Really?
So GW send out preview copies, but don't allow the reviews till the fomo sales are over? Do they fear bad reviews?

Do you people just use "fomo" for everything now?

The embargo drops, same time as it has been for the past few years, when the preorders start in different regions. First reviews are usually up at midnight for me on the East Coast of the US(around 8 hours away from now).

Oh, and there's usually things like Xttz linked where there's full on leaks of everything with meme-y "review" videos that are just people talking about things.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/15 20:22:21


Post by: xttz


Warlord Traits
Gestalt Commander - as shown on WHC (change warlord trait each battle round)
Swarm Leader - as shown on WHC (full rerolls for a unit within 9")
Strategic Adaptation - after both players have deployed but before the first battle round, select up to 2 units and redeploy them.
Units can be placed into strategic reserves without having to spend additional CP.

Relics
Adaptive Neuro Lobe - Each time your opponent spends a command point, on a roll of 5+ you gain a command point
Biomorphic Carapace - for each attack against the bearer, subtract 1 from wound rolls
Synaptic hive blades - as shown on WHC (boneswords)
Void Crown - bearer knows one additional psychic power, if the bearer performs a psychic action it can still use 1 psychic power that phase.
For unmodified rolls of 9+ on a psychic test, that power or action cannot be denied

Stratagems

Alpha leader leader beast
As shown on WHC. Extra warlord trait (Can be used to get warlord trait as well as two adaptive physiologies)

Animated by the hive mind
Automatically triggers explosion on death of monster (except titanic)

Borer grubs
Used in shooting phase. Until end of phase, each attack with fleshborer weapon, unmodified wound roll of 6 inflicts a mortal wound in addition to normal damage
Costs 1CP, or 2CP for tfex

Control of the Swarm
When your warlord is destroyed, select another character to gain a warlord trait

Hive mind imperative
Used in command phase. Select a unit within 12" of synapse creature.
Unit gains objective secured and can shoot while performing actions.

Hyper-adaptive
Used in command phase.
Select another hive fleet adaptation (i.e. Kronos, Kraken) for that unit until the end of the turn.

Questing tendrils
Setup outflanking unit in round 2 as if it was round 3

Relentless fury
Works in shooting or fight phase. Each time an attack is made unmodified hit rolls of 6 score an additional hit.
If the unit contains 11+ models, each 6 scores two additional hits instead.
1CP (2CP for genestealers)

Synaptic domination
Extend synpase to any friendly unit

Void in the warp
Used after enemy psychic test, and after any deny attempts are made. Enemy psychic must be within 24" of a synapse creature.
The power is denied on a roll of 4+ on a D6.

Synaptic Links are max 3, also limited by game size

Each is 15 pts except for Zoanthropes @ 10 pts

Broodlord - as on WHC

Hive Tyrant - Unit pile in +3", up to 6"

Maleceptor - Wound rolls of 6 increase AP by 1, Re-roll damage roll

Neutrohrope - as on WHC

Tervigon - Re-roll 1,s and 2,s to wound with ranged attacks

Trygon Prime - Fall back, shoot and charge

Tyranid Prime - Melee attacks unmodified hit rolls of 6 auto wound

Tyranid Warriors - Attacks made by models in this unit get +1 to hit

Zoanthrope - Roll 1 additional dice and discard the lowest for a psychic check.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/15 20:26:10


Post by: jojo_monkey_boy


 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Bago wrote:
 Crimson wrote:


When we will see the first reviews of this?



They put out an embargo for their products, embargo drop is normally with the start of preorder. Its 11am in Germany Saturdays.


Really?
So GW send out preview copies, but don't allow the reviews till the fomo sales are over? Do they fear bad reviews?


Let's be honest, if the reviews were genuinely brutally terrible, do you think the reviewer would get future review content?


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/15 23:27:30


Post by: StarHunter25


 xttz wrote:
Spoiler:
[Warlord Traits
Gestalt Commander - as shown on WHC (change warlord trait each battle round)
Swarm Leader - as shown on WHC (full rerolls for a unit within 9"
Strategic Adaptation - after both players have deployed but before the first battle round, select up to 2 units and redeploy them.
Units can be placed into strategic reserves without having to spend additional CP.

Relics
Adaptive Neuro Lobe - Each time your opponent spends a command point, on a roll of 5+ you gain a command point
Biomorphic Carapace - for each attack against the bearer, subtract 1 from wound rolls
Synaptic hive blades - as shown on WHC (boneswords)
Void Crown - bearer knows one additional psychic power, if the bearer performs a psychic action it can still use 1 psychic power that phase.
For unmodified rolls of 9+ on a psychic test, that power or action cannot be denied

Stratagems

Alpha leader leader beast
As shown on WHC. Extra warlord trait (Can be used to get warlord trait as well as two adaptive physiologies)

Animated by the hive mind
Automatically triggers explosion on death of monster (except titanic)

Borer grubs
Used in shooting phase. Until end of phase, each attack with fleshborer weapon, unmodified wound roll of 6 inflicts a mortal wound in addition to normal damage
Costs 1CP, or 2CP for tfex

Control of the Swarm
When your warlord is destroyed, select another character to gain a warlord trait

Hive mind imperative
Used in command phase. Select a unit within 12" of synapse creature.
Unit gains objective secured and can shoot while performing actions.

Hyper-adaptive
Used in command phase.
Select another hive fleet adaptation (i.e. Kronos, Kraken) for that unit until the end of the turn.

Questing tendrils
Setup outflanking unit in round 2 as if it was round 3

Relentless fury
Works in shooting or fight phase. Each time an attack is made unmodified hit rolls of 6 score an additional hit.
If the unit contains 11+ models, each 6 scores two additional hits instead.
1CP (2CP for genestealers)

Synaptic domination
Extend synpase to any friendly unit

Void in the warp
Used after enemy psychic test, and after any deny attempts are made. Enemy psychic must be within 24" of a synapse creature.
The power is denied on a roll of 4+ on a D6.

Synaptic Links are max 3, also limited by game size

Each is 15 pts except for Zoanthropes @ 10 pts

Broodlord - as on WHC

Hive Tyrant - Unit pile in +3", up to 6"

Maleceptor - Wound rolls of 6 increase AP by 1, Re-roll damage roll

Neutrohrope - as on WHC

Tervigon - Re-roll 1,s and 2,s to wound with ranged attacks

Trygon Prime - Fall back, shoot and charge

Tyranid Prime - Melee attacks unmodified hit rolls of 6 auto wound

Tyranid Warriors - Attacks made by models in this unit get +1 to hit

Zoanthrope - Roll 1 additional dice and discard the lowest for a psychic check.


If you're right about this, gants with devourers are going to be spooky. If the Relentless Fury strat lasts the entire phase, double-tapping with d-gants, supported by a Tervigon with Chapter Monster and synapse boost. Also, do you know if warriors are granting +1 to shooting, melee or both? If both/shooting, 30 gants hitting on 3's, rerolling hits+ triple hit on 6 > rerolling 1-2 wound... twice. Yeah it's all ap 0, but that is several buckets of save. Operation: Death by a Thousand Beestings may be a go.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 00:50:23


Post by: Daedalus81


 xttz wrote:

Questing tendrils
Setup outflanking unit in round 2 as if it was round 3


This is pretty neat.

Relentless fury
Works in shooting or fight phase. Each time an attack is made unmodified hit rolls of 6 score an additional hit.
If the unit contains 11+ models, each 6 scores two additional hits instead.
1CP (2CP for genestealers)


Zoinks...


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 01:35:54


Post by: Spreelock


Holy moly, these all look very decent, although, I'm slightly disappointed about synapse link, they're ok for 15 points, but not that big of a difference. It could be enough to push leviathan, as a competitive army, ahead of endless kraken/kronos lists.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 01:38:41


Post by: Kanluwen


Xttz, got any of them sweet sweet Cadian teases?


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 02:52:16


Post by: Sasori


Those are some great stratagems and WLT if true. Hopefully when they release the new nid codex, Levithan gets a much better faction trait.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 09:04:05


Post by: BrookM


Ho-hum, the pre-orders just popped online and they made the war zone book €7,50 cheaper than the previous two.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 09:18:15


Post by: xttz


 BrookM wrote:
Ho-hum, the pre-orders just popped online and they made the war zone book €7,50 cheaper than the previous two.


£5 cheaper in the UK. Same number of pages as Charadon II, more pages than Charadon I.

I don't understand, Dakka users reliably informed me that reprinting Psychic Awakening rules would make the book more expensive!


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 09:29:04


Post by: tneva82


 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Bago wrote:
 Crimson wrote:


When we will see the first reviews of this?



They put out an embargo for their products, embargo drop is normally with the start of preorder. Its 11am in Germany Saturdays.


Really?
So GW send out preview copies, but don't allow the reviews till the fomo sales are over? Do they fear bad reviews?


Fomo doesn't apply when there's no mo to begin with.

Fyi campaign books aren't limited release.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 10:42:20


Post by: Jidmah


 BrookM wrote:
Ho-hum, the pre-orders just popped online and they made the war zone book €7,50 cheaper than the previous two.


Well, for the previous books quite a number of people voiced that the content wasn't terrible, but few were willing to buy it at that price. GW isn't above learning when it earns them money.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 11:29:24


Post by: Gimgamgoo


tneva82 wrote:

Fomo doesn't apply when there's no mo to begin with.

Fyi campaign books aren't limited release.


Hmm... Do you really think once the inital run through of these books is sold, they're going to send out to China for more reprints? By the time this would happen (inc shipping times), they'll be superceded in rules anyway.
The only thing that GW makes that isn't limited is the core plastic figures for their games.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 11:44:33


Post by: Mr Morden


I am in two minds about campaign books and rules

I loved Sheild of Baal art and story but was very sad that with all the named POV Sisters of Battle characters, units etc - not a single rule was included to reflect this.

On the other hand repeatedly reprinting rules is hard to stomach.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 12:43:15


Post by: Dudeface


 Gimgamgoo wrote:
tneva82 wrote:

Fomo doesn't apply when there's no mo to begin with.

Fyi campaign books aren't limited release.


Hmm... Do you really think once the inital run through of these books is sold, they're going to send out to China for more reprints? By the time this would happen (inc shipping times), they'll be superceded in rules anyway.
The only thing that GW makes that isn't limited is the core plastic figures for their games.


Oh no, I better buy it now for those inquisition rules out of fear before they get reprinted again in 2 years and I simply can't get them!!!!

Your view is simply absurd I'm afraid.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 13:03:20


Post by: Overread


I think if the books were predominantly lore and art there'd be more of a "fomo" element too them in terms of them being limited print runs ultimately.

However looking at the contents, whilst there is lore and art, they are much more dominantly rules and rules get reprinted and published all the time.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 13:04:10


Post by: endlesswaltz123


 Gimgamgoo wrote:
tneva82 wrote:

Fomo doesn't apply when there's no mo to begin with.

Fyi campaign books aren't limited release.


Hmm... Do you really think once the inital run through of these books is sold, they're going to send out to China for more reprints? By the time this would happen (inc shipping times), they'll be superceded in rules anyway.
The only thing that GW makes that isn't limited is the core plastic figures for their games.


You are 100% incorrect about this, as firstly, it won't sell out, secondly, rules are never limited unless they are specifically stated to be, and then they are printed in white dwarf. Stop fear mongering over the most ridiculous reason. If you feel the need to gripe about GW, there's plenty of threads dedicated to that where you won't have to make up a reason.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 13:09:42


Post by: Fergie0044


 xttz wrote:
 BrookM wrote:
Ho-hum, the pre-orders just popped online and they made the war zone book €7,50 cheaper than the previous two.


£5 cheaper in the UK. Same number of pages as Charadon II, more pages than Charadon I.

I don't understand, Dakka users reliably informed me that reprinting Psychic Awakening rules would make the book more expensive!


I hope this means Charadon was a miserable sales failure, so GW are taking a tiny baby step towards learning that they can't get away with charging so much for rules DLC.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 13:15:29


Post by: Gimgamgoo


 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
 Gimgamgoo wrote:
tneva82 wrote:

Fomo doesn't apply when there's no mo to begin with.

Fyi campaign books aren't limited release.


Hmm... Do you really think once the inital run through of these books is sold, they're going to send out to China for more reprints? By the time this would happen (inc shipping times), they'll be superceded in rules anyway.
The only thing that GW makes that isn't limited is the core plastic figures for their games.


You are 100% incorrect about this, as firstly, it won't sell out, secondly, rules are never limited unless they are specifically stated to be, and then they are printed in white dwarf. Stop fear mongering over the most ridiculous reason. If you feel the need to gripe about GW, there's plenty of threads dedicated to that where you won't have to make up a reason.


I'm not fear mongering. I was just pointing out that except for most of the core plastic, GW items are limited.

The only complaint I was having was that GW ban reviews till after their initial sales were over. We all know GW make the majority of their sales for a new product on its release.

I guess my mistake was insulting the fan boys by using the phrase fomo in my initial remark. Here, I take it back...

tneva82 wrote:
 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Bago wrote:
 Crimson wrote:


When we will see the first reviews of this?



They put out an embargo for their products, embargo drop is normally with the start of preorder. Its 11am in Germany Saturdays.


Really?
So GW send out preview copies, but don't allow the reviews till the fomo sales are over? Do they fear bad reviews?


Fomo doesn't apply when there's no mo to begin with.

Fyi campaign books aren't limited release.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 13:36:01


Post by: Dysartes


 Gimgamgoo wrote:
The only complaint I was having was that GW ban reviews till after their initial sales were over. We all know GW make the majority of their sales for a new product on its release.

I guess my mistake was insulting the fan boys by using the phrase fomo in my initial remark. Here, I take it back...

No, as far as I'm aware your mistake was in the inaccuracy of the claim. The review embargo lifts as the pre-order window opens.

Whether people with advance copies are ready with their material for that moment in time is another matter entirely, but the opportunity is there.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 13:45:49


Post by: Gimgamgoo


 Dysartes wrote:
 Gimgamgoo wrote:
The only complaint I was having was that GW ban reviews till after their initial sales were over. We all know GW make the majority of their sales for a new product on its release.

I guess my mistake was insulting the fan boys by using the phrase fomo in my initial remark. Here, I take it back...

No, as far as I'm aware your mistake was in the inaccuracy of the claim. The review embargo lifts as the pre-order window opens.

Whether people with advance copies are ready with their material for that moment in time is another matter entirely, but the opportunity is there.

Most reviewers I've seen do have the reviews ready. Isn't that part of getting the numbers up on the likes of youtube? Being first?
The issue of course is that a few of the GW items sell out in the first few minutes. Who has chance to watch the review before having to desperately click to buy?


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 14:56:17


Post by: BrookM


 Jidmah wrote:
 BrookM wrote:
Ho-hum, the pre-orders just popped online and they made the war zone book €7,50 cheaper than the previous two.


Well, for the previous books quite a number of people voiced that the content wasn't terrible, but few were willing to buy it at that price. GW isn't above learning when it earns them money.
Agreed. Not even the (IMHO) excellent Vigilus books were that expensive when they were available. But the price to content ratio as disappointing for the previous two books, especially when, if you want to get the most out of it from a Crusade POV, you'll also need to get the Containment mission pack, which are IMHO also a bit too expensive for what they give you.


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 15:51:48


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Fergie0044 wrote:
I hope this means Charadon was a miserable sales failure, so GW are taking a tiny baby step towards learning that they can't get away with charging so much for rules DLC.
I'm surprised they're still persisting with the "collector" editions of these DLC books. I mean, the last one stayed in stock for so long I can't imagine that doing more of them for campaign books is at all worthwhile (compared to Codices, that tend to sell out rather quickly).


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/16 17:28:36


Post by: Bago



Whether people with advance copies are ready with their material for that moment in time is another matter entirely, but the opportunity is there.


Yeah, but you get the reliable ones. Goonhammers review and Ashs review on GMG went up at 11 o' clock (again, German time) sharp. Its important for the reviewers to get it up first/earliest, I watched Ashs video and read goonhammers reviews, not much incentive for me, to watch more reviews. I work in PR (-Consulting), an embargo breach is pretty frowned upon, so I am wondering, why the one youtube guy put up his review early. I dont think, he will receive any more preview copies (besides its unfair for the other content creators). Dont mind my rambling, just have an interest in these processes


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Bago wrote:
 Crimson wrote:


When we will see the first reviews of this?



They put out an embargo for their products, embargo drop is normally with the start of preorder. Its 11am in Germany Saturdays.


Really?
So GW send out preview copies, but don't allow the reviews till the fomo sales are over? Do they fear bad reviews?


Let's be honest, if the reviews were genuinely brutally terrible, do you think the reviewer would get future review content?


And also, as much as I like this to be untrue...there definitely is some leeway for criticism, but I work in the automotive sector (again, PR) and if a journalist writes his driving test too critical, he simply wont get invited to future test drives

This being said, I think your whole point of "not allowing reviews because of fomo sales" is not really relevant. As already pointed out, no FO without the MO


War Zone Octarius Book 1 on Pre-order next week @ 2021/10/17 05:18:41


Post by: Jarms48


After seeing the entire book, Nids are the only real winners.

All the Guard stuff is pretty bad.

All the WT’s are meh.

There’s 2 okay relics, the Sword and the Battle Cannon. Though the battle cannon still has to compete with the demolisher cannon which has an average of 3.5 damage. The Pax Cadia would have been nice, until you realise it only works on the stratagems in the book and 0 of the other Guard stratagems. Even then it only works on 4 of the 7 new stratagems available.

The best part is definitely the stratagems. The one with additional hits on 6’s might be alright on manticores and demolishers.

The fortifications stuff is pointless. They did nothing to address the actual rules to deploy them, so they’re still useless.

Inquisition stuff is literally copy paste. So they did nothing to address that anything that’s not an Inquisitor will never be used. They should have allowed all Inquisitor datasheets to be taken in other detachments without breaking doctrines.