They are featured on the this week's pre-orders:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/Steel-Legion-Squad

Two week window to get orders in. They warn it's like made to order deal so they might have to cast more then they currently have in stock.

And, interestingly, they're not supplying the right base for the HWT.

Weren't they already on sale?

 Dysartes wrote:
And, interestingly, they're not supplying the right base for the HWT.

They never have for the Steel Legion missile launcher.

This is flagging up for me that the Plastic Krieg might well be coming out on their own sooner rather than later then.

And essentially will be the default kit for 'gas mask' guard.

RIP Steel Legion, they did damn fine service over 20 odd years.

F for the last infantry kit you could use as a lethal weapon, by the way.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Weren't they already on sale?

I believe so, so lumping the last chance to buy in with the pre-orders without mentioning it in last Sunday's article is a bit unusual, maybe?

Huh, followed the above link, tried to switch to US, and it dead ends. Can't find anything Steel Legion in search. Is this only available to certain countries?

Oh it's Last Chance.

I thought they'd appeared as a Made to Order, given they are in the Pre-Order area.

I guess if Death Korps of Krieg are getting more plastic kits GW felt they don't need to sell Steel Legion any more.

The thing that always was intriguing about me, was why did they pick this particular metal kit for sale when they discontinued all other ones. I mean there had to be a very specific reason, yeah?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The thing that always was intriguing about me, was why did they pick this particular metal kit for sale when they discontinued all other ones. I mean there had to be a very specific reason, yeah?

The moulds lasted longer than the other moulds? Or it simply sold better than Vostroyans, Mordians, Tallarns, etc...

Who knows why GW do anything?

They must've made those moulds out of titanium alloy if they lasted 21 goddamn years.

IIRC the Steel Legion was the newest of the metal kits? Weren’t they made for 3rd, while the rest date back to 2nd?

 Nevelon wrote:
IIRC the Steel Legion was the newest of the metal kits? Weren’t they made for 3rd, while the rest date back to 2nd?

Yes, they're from 2000, the same edition as the current Cadians and Catachan kits.

The Vostroyans are / were newer than Steel Legion. 2006 I believe.

But yes, most of the metal Imperial Guard were released in 2nd edition.

At ease, Steel Legion. Damn shame to see 'em go, one of the cooler guard regiments for sure.

 Nevelon wrote:
IIRC the Steel Legion was the newest of the metal kits? Weren’t they made for 3rd, while the rest date back to 2nd?

The Steel Legion were followed by the metal Cadian Command, Sniper and Special Weapon models to supplement the plastic infantry and then by the Vostroyans in 2006.

They definitely outlasted those models though.

alphaecho wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
IIRC the Steel Legion was the newest of the metal kits? Weren’t they made for 3rd, while the rest date back to 2nd?

The Steel Legion were followed by the metal Cadian Command, Sniper and Special Weapon models to supplement the plastic infantry and then by the Vostroyans in 2006.

They definitely outlasted those models though.

They outlasted three of those four models, the metal Cadian Snipers are still on sale.

Sad news. Steel legion were the first 40k kit I ever bought. Made the transition from flames of war easier as they were basically straight up German WW2 paratroopers...

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

alphaecho wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
IIRC the Steel Legion was the newest of the metal kits? Weren’t they made for 3rd, while the rest date back to 2nd?

The Steel Legion were followed by the metal Cadian Command, Sniper and Special Weapon models to supplement the plastic infantry and then by the Vostroyans in 2006.

They definitely outlasted those models though.

They outlasted three of those four models, the metal Cadian Snipers are still on sale.

Cadia Stands!

 Stormonu wrote:
Huh, followed the above link, tried to switch to US, and it dead ends. Can't find anything Steel Legion in search. Is this only available to certain countries?

They'll be up later today(1pm Eastern) in the US.

alphaecho wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

alphaecho wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
IIRC the Steel Legion was the newest of the metal kits? Weren’t they made for 3rd, while the rest date back to 2nd?

The Steel Legion were followed by the metal Cadian Command, Sniper and Special Weapon models to supplement the plastic infantry and then by the Vostroyans in 2006.

They definitely outlasted those models though.

They outlasted three of those four models, the metal Cadian Snipers are still on sale.

Cadia Stands!

They're both kneeling though.

Feth GW

 BlackoCatto wrote:
Feth GW

What an embarrassing post

******

It’s always a shame to see anything from the online store being removed, but at least they are giving people a chance to buy them before they are removed. They are guaranteeing availability until the 8th of November.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The thing that always was intriguing about me, was why did they pick this particular metal kit for sale when they discontinued all other ones. I mean there had to be a very specific reason, yeah?

Armageddon? They had rules in Shadow War and it's a rather iconic conflict.

Well, the squad was sold for 64,90 Deutsche Mark 21 years ago - that's 33,18€. 'Now' it's 30€ - not that bad for two decades.

Its a shame to see it go, but at least they are giving people a chance to get it rather than just silently vanishing it like they did with all the other regiments. Now I need to decide if I should get 1 or 2 more for the road.

Nice of GW to give fair warning

Ancient Otter wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Weren't they already on sale?

I believe so, so lumping the last chance to buy in with the pre-orders without mentioning it in last Sunday's article is a bit unusual, maybe?

They disappeared a little while ago. The Armageddon Steel Legion fb group was all super sad.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
IIRC the Steel Legion was the newest of the metal kits? Weren’t they made for 3rd, while the rest date back to 2nd?

Yes, they're from 2000, the same edition as the current Cadians and Catachan kits.

They actually are about a few years older than the Cadians (Eye of Terror came out well after Armageddon) but about roughly the same age as the plastic Catachans, give or take 6 months.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
They must've made those moulds out of titanium alloy if they lasted 21 goddamn years.

Since its metal, they'd be rubber molds... but they would have a set of production molds and a set of master molds from which to produce new production molds from, and if they take care of the masters and refresh them in a timely manner with new masters, they could potentially keep that production line open forever.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
They must've made those moulds out of titanium alloy if they lasted 21 goddamn years.

Since its metal, they'd be rubber molds... but they would have a set of production molds and a set of master molds from which to produce new production molds from, and if they take care of the masters and refresh them in a timely manner with new masters, they could potentially keep that production line open forever.

Which opens the question of why keep this particular set of models and not any other. Did all the other masters get dropped down a flight of the stairs and the Steel Legion ones miraculously survived?

As someone who has a bunch of steel legion and from what I know about mold making and casting it probably is that the steel legion are real easy on the molds and therefor needs mold replacement way less often and were more profitable to keep around, as apposed to Vostrians who well newer had a lot more details and that fur texture on the hats that probably meant the molds didn't last as long

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
They must've made those moulds out of titanium alloy if they lasted 21 goddamn years.

Since its metal, they'd be rubber molds... but they would have a set of production molds and a set of master molds from which to produce new production molds from, and if they take care of the masters and refresh them in a timely manner with new masters, they could potentially keep that production line open forever.

Which opens the question of why keep this particular set of models and not any other. Did all the other masters get dropped down a flight of the stairs and the Steel Legion ones miraculously survived?

The other regiments were on the website for years, too (just the squads though). And some years ago they made most of the models available as MtO - they could do it any time again, if they want.

Maybe they left the Steel Legion because they sold better than the 2nd edition regiments and are simpler and cheaper to cast than the Vostroyans. Who knows.

Going to be sad to see these guys go, them and DKoK were my favourite guard regiments so hopefully they get revisited at some point by GW. Would love Guard to have some of the kit variety that SM like to monopolize in their faciton.

There's art of what looks to be a reimagined Steel Legion in the KT: Octarius book.

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's art of what looks to be a reimagined Steel Legion in the KT: Octarius book.

Can you tell me the page number? I looked through and couldn't seem to find that art you mentioned. Would love to see what it looks like.

 Grimskul wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's art of what looks to be a reimagined Steel Legion in the KT: Octarius book.

Can you tell me the page number? I looked through and couldn't seem to find that art you mentioned. Would love to see what it looks like.

Page 12!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's art of what looks to be a reimagined Steel Legion in the KT: Octarius book.

Can you tell me the page number? I looked through and couldn't seem to find that art you mentioned. Would love to see what it looks like.

Page 12!

Thanks! I think its due to it being black and white inkspot art that I couldn't pick it up on it. I honestly thought they were either Armageddon Ork Hunters or Catachans moreso than Steel Legion since most of them weren't wearing the trademark gas mask.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The thing that always was intriguing about me, was why did they pick this particular metal kit for sale when they discontinued all other ones. I mean there had to be a very specific reason, yeah?

the metal kits they kept on sale were those that were selling so slowly that they didnt sell out.

That's it. they swapped things to finecast when they ran out of the metal.


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lurch wrote:
As someone who has a bunch of steel legion and from what I know about mold making and casting it probably is that the steel legion are real easy on the molds and therefor needs mold replacement way less often and were more profitable to keep around, as apposed to Vostrians who well newer had a lot more details and that fur texture on the hats that probably meant the molds didn't last as long

they used the same molds for finecast as they did for metals. That was the point of the formulation of finecast (and why it was such an inferior resin to, say, forgeworld, which obviously GW would have had access to but you couldnt just pour FW resin into old metal moulds and get anything out of it.)

 Grimskul wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's art of what looks to be a reimagined Steel Legion in the KT: Octarius book.

Can you tell me the page number? I looked through and couldn't seem to find that art you mentioned. Would love to see what it looks like.

Page 12!

Thanks! I think its due to it being black and white inkspot art that I couldn't pick it up on it. I honestly thought they were either Armageddon Ork Hunters or Catachans moreso than Steel Legion since most of them weren't wearing the trademark gas mask.

I'm referring to the piece on the border of the page, not the inset.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's art of what looks to be a reimagined Steel Legion in the KT: Octarius book.

Can you tell me the page number? I looked through and couldn't seem to find that art you mentioned. Would love to see what it looks like.

Page 12!

Thanks! I think its due to it being black and white inkspot art that I couldn't pick it up on it. I honestly thought they were either Armageddon Ork Hunters or Catachans moreso than Steel Legion since most of them weren't wearing the trademark gas mask.

I'm referring to the piece on the border of the page, not the inset.

Isn't that a Tallarn guy? I don't see how that's a Steel Legion guardsmen.

I did say "reimagined", didn't I?

I thought he was Tallarn too at first--but bits of the kit make more sense as Steel Legion.

For what it's worth, I think we're definitely seeing a bit of an attempt going on at differentiating things from the DKoK. There's another possible candidate for the Steel Legion in the Core Book though! P139.

The big ol' rumor dump, as well, is supported by the Cadian art on p22+23 in the Core Book.

Pretty sure thats a Tallarn... the last image we saw of an Armageddon guardsman was an Ork Hunter that had a much more "gangers" style appearance, and I have a hunch that thats the direction GW is moving them in if they ever make a comeback. While the clueless often associate the DKoK with Nazis, the ASL are more directly based on actual Nazis in their design and I can imagine GW wants to distance themselves from that a bit.

Worth mentioning that the Ork Hunters have always been described as being different to the Steel Legion in terms of kit and the like.

Doesn't help that they seem to have had Catachan training officers.

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's art of what looks to be a reimagined Steel Legion in the KT: Octarius book.

can you post a picture?

 the_scotsman wrote:

the metal kits they kept on sale were those that were selling so slowly that they didnt sell out.

That's it. they swapped things to finecast when they ran out of the metal.

Nice conspiracy theory, but I doubt GW would have enough stock of these to last them 10 years on hand. Or somehow dig up leftover stock of white metal minis such as Diaznettes every time they offer MtO, I have handled freshly cast definitely metal ones myself. But maybe I am wrong and they really just randomly find things like metal bonesingers or 2nd edition farseers, I bought both brand new on last Eldar MtO

RIP Steel Legion Squad. My first fully painted army was Steel Legion Mech infantry in 4th edition. I loved those models, and even after all these years they still look pretty good.

They definitely deserve a hero’s goodbye.

Damn shame they aren’t doing the other steel legion metals alongside it. I have infantry, need special and heavy weapons!

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
They must've made those moulds out of titanium alloy if they lasted 21 goddamn years.

Since its metal, they'd be rubber molds... but they would have a set of production molds and a set of master molds from which to produce new production molds from, and if they take care of the masters and refresh them in a timely manner with new masters, they could potentially keep that production line open forever.

Which opens the question of why keep this particular set of models and not any other. Did all the other masters get dropped down a flight of the stairs and the Steel Legion ones miraculously survived?

The other regiments were on the website for years, too (just the squads though). And some years ago they made most of the models available as MtO - they could do it any time again, if they want.

Maybe they left the Steel Legion because they sold better than the 2nd edition regiments and are simpler and cheaper to cast than the Vostroyans. Who knows.

Perhaps it is a case that the molds were not used as often as the others and are only now beginning to wear - basically, did not sell as much as the others.

"And for my pandemic project, I will finally do steel legion"

Oh bother. Accept the army as it is, or hoard 5-10 boxes for the winters of the GW future?

 ph34r wrote:
"And for my pandemic project, I will finally do steel legion"

Oh bother. Accept the army as it is, or hoard 5-10 boxes for the winters of the GW future?

Wargaming is littered with projects that never came to be or were cut short half way through because we never got around to it before the models were discontinued, didn't have the funds or were distracted by the new, shiny toys.

I'm so glad that I was right place, right time, right disposable income level to break the back of my Praetorian IG army.


For those who still need to do a 'Steel Legion', Wargames Atlantic Raumjagers can fit as a proxy. The new Death Fields weapons sprue has a lasgun type weapon as well.

Of all the regiments, if they were to do new plastic guard, I'd like to see SL or Catas. Who knows, maybe this is the beginning of a future of multiple guard releases?

IIRC, there is a rumor floating around about an upcoming KT box with Catachans vs. Tyranids.

Would be nice to have a squad to go with Sgt. "Ripper" Jackson..

Tempted to get 10 boxes for my retirement...

So what else was there in the range that is not present here? 2 Commanders with Powerswords, 1 Commissar, Sergeant with Ork Head, Plasma Gun, Heavy Bolter Team, Lascannon Team, and the Necromunda Sniper?
http://www.solegends.com/citcat2010/c2010p0325-00.htm
http://www.solegends.com/citcat2010/c2010p0326-01.htm

Old-Four-Arms wrote:
IIRC, there is a rumor floating around about an upcoming KT box with Catachans vs. Tyranids.

Would be nice to have a squad to go with Sgt. "Ripper" Jackson..

I really hope so. I was able to get The Colonel and Jackson, and I'd LOVE to have new catachan infantry...especially if they didn't look like they had Bicep cancer.

 the_scotsman wrote:

the metal kits they kept on sale were those that were selling so slowly that they didnt sell out.

That's it. they swapped things to finecast when they ran out of the metal.

Except the Steel Legion squad did go "temporarily out of stock" multiple times, and so have quite a few of the other still-metal kits...

Not as sad as about last chance to buy vostroyans I wasn’t able to grab in time.
Still sucks…
I will take resculpts of catachans as an acceptable apology though.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Not as sad as about last chance to buy vostroyans I wasn’t able to grab in time.
Still sucks…
I will take resculpts of catachans as an acceptable apology though.

Well depending on how things go, they really could easily do kits for the major six regiments (Vostroya, Valhalla, Steel Legion, Catachan, Cadian, Tallarn).

All they need to do is Infantry Kit---Command Squad----Heavy Weapon Team + 1 character per regiment. 24 kits total, could be done as a big update to the guard range. Overall, the vehicles are fine as is.

Thanks for posting this! I was hemming and hawing about getting another squad of these for my guard. Shame there's no alternate poses or other weapon combos. But I was surprised last year to find them still for sale and still metal, along with the old sanctioned psykers.

Togusa wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Not as sad as about last chance to buy vostroyans I wasn’t able to grab in time.
Still sucks…
I will take resculpts of catachans as an acceptable apology though.

Well depending on how things go, they really could easily do kits for the major six regiments (Vostroya, Valhalla, Steel Legion, Catachan, Cadian, Tallarn).

All they need to do is Infantry Kit---Command Squad----Heavy Weapon Team + 1 character per regiment. 24 kits total, could be done as a big update to the guard range. Overall, the vehicles are fine as is.

Don't forget a Mordian/Praetorian set - or a Mordian set, with an upgrade frame of Praetorian heads (and a bugle arm).

I've said before Necromunda shows they could do an IG regiment on one sprue, with a ton of weapon options. Throw in a set if kneeling legs and the current heavy weapon sprue and Bob's your uncle.

They could even do a command squad with heads for the most distinctive regiments and cover everyone.

This is like when you hear the news that some really old celebrity has died and your reaction is, “I didn’t know they were still alive!”

I'd settle for a new squad + command squad for the main guard regiments, and then maybe an upgrade sprue for things like sentinels, heavy weapons teams, etc.

Or heck, include bodies and arms in the squad sets that are compatible with those kits. Wracks come with arms that can be used for venoms and other ships.

 Irbis wrote:

 the_scotsman wrote:

the metal kits they kept on sale were those that were selling so slowly that they didnt sell out.

That's it. they swapped things to finecast when they ran out of the metal.

Nice conspiracy theory, but I doubt GW would have enough stock of these to last them 10 years on hand. Or somehow dig up leftover stock of white metal minis such as Diaznettes every time they offer MtO, I have handled freshly cast definitely metal ones myself. But maybe I am wrong and they really just randomly find things like metal bonesingers or 2nd edition farseers, I bought both brand new on last Eldar MtO

Yea they still cast metal models as needed(hell they couldn't do made to order　promise here if they didn't...).

Also metal moulds are dirt　cheap so one gets worn out, cheap to replace. It's the human work involved in casting process that costs.

Ill say feth them if I want, it's GW.

May they all join the Emperor at the side of His golden throne.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Not as sad as about last chance to buy vostroyans I wasn’t able to grab in time.
Still sucks…

Well, they had the MtO run three years ago. Weapon teams and single models had obscene prices, but the huge deal (including the limited wounded troopers) was fair. Actually it was really a deal - it was better than any Vostroyan box (including the first one).

 BlackoCatto wrote:
Ill say feth them if I want, it's GW.

Spoiler:

To be fair, the squad was there for 21 years without a noticable price hike (or none at all in some regions). And they even warn you and give a guaranteed delivery.

But it seems like even if GW are doing non-GW things they get the flak.

Maybe the Wargames Atlantic kit (the first one in the Death Fields series) lit a fire under GW so they retire the metals in favor of plastic Steel Legion kits. Highly unlikely though.

How viable is it for GW to have multiple plastic infantry variant boxes for IG. If they support the DKoK the same level as Cadian & Catachan it'll be three. Is there a market for more?

Viability is going to depend upon how the army is going to be set up going forwards.

If, say, a Guard army is always going to consist of Infantry Squad box+Command Squad Box+Heavy Weapon Squad Box? It won't really work. That's a minimum of 2 boxes just to make a single infantry or veteran squad, and a minimum of 3 boxes out there in general.

From what we've seen teased out for the DKoK via the artwork? There's 3 boxes, minimum, coming and at least two blisters. A Grenadier/Engineer box, Death Riders, and the Infantry Squad...which is missing its Heavy Weapon options(the DKoK from the Octarius box additionally had an additional sprue added to them which had the KT "specialist" upgrades). There's a very real chance that we're going to see Guard Infantry/Veteran Squads losing Heavy Weapon Teams in our next iteration of the book. DKoK didn't include them and surprisingly neither did the Cadian box repack. GSC Brood Brothers have 'em, but we don't as Guard players.

The most reliable rumor for upcoming releases right now? It has Cadians getting an updated Shock Troops kit next year, plus a plastic Kasrkin box, and a non-Cadian specific tank that is between a LR and Baneblade in size.

A different rumor has DKoK at something like 3-4 boxes and a few blisters(an Officer, a Death Rider officer, and a Grenadier Officer are the three I've seen mentioned).

Ancient Otter wrote:
Maybe the Wargames Atlantic kit (the first one in the Death Fields series) lit a fire under GW so they retire the metals in favor of plastic Steel Legion kits. Highly unlikely though.

How viable is it for GW to have multiple plastic infantry variant boxes for IG. If they support the DKoK the same level as Cadian & Catachan it'll be three. Is there a market for more?

Eh I dunno, it wasn't really particularly Steel Legion-esque other than the shared Nazi aesthetics. And if they wanted to do something about it, they'd either remove Steel Legion from the future Codex or sue WGA.

Yeah, the Raumjager kit doesn't really have anything that GW would be able to win a lawsuit on. They could bring a lawsuit, but they would lose and suffer damages in the process.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, the Raumjager kit doesn't really have anything that GW would be able to win a lawsuit on. They could bring a lawsuit, but they would lose and suffer damages in the process.

Whether or not GW is legally in the right is entirely irrelevant - IP law cases are stupidly, extremely, expensive and as a result very few actually make it to court. Games Workshop has enough money and lawyers to bankrupt WGA before they get a single day in court. We've already seen this happen before with the Chapterhouse lawsuit, where GW lost big time and tanked their public perception but also bled the company they targeted dry and bankrupted them, thus achieving what they set out to do - eliminate competition. So it's a lot less 'what can GW legally do' and a lot more 'how much PR are they willing to blow doing it'.

And hey, we already know there's tons of people willing to blindly buy from them and defend them no matter how much PR they blow, in addition to millions of people entirely unaware they even did anything. So it's not like that's a reasonable concern for them.

Shame to see these go.

If you file the little aquilas off, they make great generic troopers. Loyalist, Traitor, Genestealer Cult, you name it.

They also stayed reasonably priced by GW standards for many years. And they're metal. The gods' own medium.

Every squad box I bought had one particular trooper model with a miscast, melted-looking lasgun, though. The same guy every time.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, the Raumjager kit doesn't really have anything that GW would be able to win a lawsuit on. They could bring a lawsuit, but they would lose and suffer damages in the process.

Whether or not GW is legally in the right is entirely irrelevant - IP law cases are stupidly, extremely, expensive and as a result very few actually make it to court. Games Workshop has enough money and lawyers to bankrupt WGA before they get a single day in court.

WGA has some pretty big money/business partners behind it, probably bigger than GW based on whats been revealed. Thats part of how WGA is able to move production to the US. Those business partners aren't going to let their investment go up in smoke because GW decides to try to bully WGA through the legal system. GW also has a lot more to lose than WGA does, as was already demonstrated in the harm GW suffered by way of the Chapterhouse suit - beyond that the judge in the lawsuit basically warned GW from bringing bs IP cases forward again. The Chapterhouse lawsuit set pretty strong legal precedent as to what the basis for validity of these sorts of claims is, and Raumjager don't cross any of those lines. If GW tried bringing such a case against WGA to court, they are at risk of being forced to pay WGA (or any other company in a similar situation) millions in damages, fines, and legal fees as a result of the Chapterhouse fallout.

So yes, whether or not GW is in the right *is* legally relevant now, because they shot themselves in the foot pretty severely with the Chapterhouse suit and created a situation for themselves where the US legal system considers them to be borderline predatory in nature and is prepared to act against them if they step out of line again.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, the Raumjager kit doesn't really have anything that GW would be able to win a lawsuit on. They could bring a lawsuit, but they would lose and suffer damages in the process.

Whether or not GW is legally in the right is entirely irrelevant - IP law cases are stupidly, extremely, expensive and as a result very few actually make it to court. Games Workshop has enough money and lawyers to bankrupt WGA before they get a single day in court.

So yes, whether or not GW is in the right *is* legally relevant now, because they shot themselves in the foot pretty severely with the Chapterhouse suit and created a situation for themselves where the US legal system considers them to be borderline predatory in nature and is prepared to act against them if they step out of line again.

Meh, I'm not sure if "complete victory on all fronts that their fanbase doesn't even remember" can be considered a shot in the foot.

What part of "GW is at risk of being targeted by the US legal system for predatory IP trolling" do you not understand?

Theres a reason that GW has not taken anyone to court since the Chapterhouse suit, even as other firms have gone farther than Chapterhouse ever did.

I also don't know where you think GW had a "complete victory" - it lost more claims in the lawsuit than it won and as a result of some of those losses had to essentially restructure its business model and cut a lot of its own content out of existence.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I also don't know where you think GW had a "complete victory" - it lost more claims in the lawsuit than it won and as a result of some of those losses had to essentially restructure its business model and cut a lot of its own content out of existence.

While they chose to cut content, I don't think any part of the legal judgement in the Chapterhouse case put a gun to their head and said they had to.

"No model, no rules" (and all the associated bullgak we're seeing) is GW management over-reacting to the outcome - rational minds were obviously not present in meetings after the case completed.

Yarrik is all alone now.

Anyone for whom this is the last draw decision to get them to buy a 3d printer, hit me up for some tips and tricks.

They're still up for purchase/MTO...

Funny enough, Yarrick sold out already. He made it into the "Selling Fast" category.

The Steel Legion squad hasn't.

 Kanluwen wrote:
They're still up for purchase/MTO...

Funny enough, Yarrick sold out already. He made it into the "Selling Fast" category.

The Steel Legion squad hasn't.

Of course, people aren't going to suddenly buy what is essentially GW trying to milk a few extra dollars. It had happened with Vostroyand supposedly last chance and then suddenly reappearing shortly for Christmas, squashing the notion that it was some molding issue.

How many people would really be expected to buy a squad for a sub-faction which has no other models available?

It's not like anyone can pick up an army or detachment of Steel Legion, and an individual squad can't be easily slotted into a plastic Guard army.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
How many people would really be expected to buy a squad for a sub-faction which has no other models available?

It's not like anyone can pick up an army or detachment of Steel Legion, and an individual squad can't be easily slotted into a plastic Guard army.

Old people like me could jump in on the Last Chance.

If the Holy Grail became available and GW offered a basic Praetorian squad, I'd be on it purely because of the numbers of the spare crew models and heavy/ special weapons I have sitting in cases waiting for reasonably priced lasgun Guardsmen to join them up with. I even have spare Lieutenant, Bugler and Standard Bearer models.

I daresay there are some Steel Legion army owners in the same position, especially if they were in on the initial release.

I use the Steel Legion for my mechanised squads, "ash waste rangers" and use Cadians for my Hive City Guard. Catachans for jungle Ork hunters. So I'm picking up a third squad to go with my third APC.

 Da Boss wrote:
I use the Steel Legion for my mechanised squads, "ash waste rangers" and use Cadians for my Hive City Guard. Catachans for jungle Ork hunters. So I'm picking up a third squad to go with my third APC.

Yeah, despite the seemingly strict separation of regiments, with a unifying color scheme and some kitbashing they can work together pretty well. I added some Cadians (i got as brood brothers in a GSC box) and Scions to my catachans and can see me adding 10 or 20 kriegs to the army as well. With the same base and similar colours this looks great and can either work as differentiation between veterans, infantry and conscripts or just as added diversity.

Bago wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
I use the Steel Legion for my mechanised squads, "ash waste rangers" and use Cadians for my Hive City Guard. Catachans for jungle Ork hunters. So I'm picking up a third squad to go with my third APC.

Yeah, despite the seemingly strict separation of regiments, with a unifying color scheme and some kitbashing they can work together pretty well. I added some Cadians (i got as brood brothers in a GSC box) and Scions to my catachans and can see me adding 10 or 20 kriegs to the army as well. With the same base and similar colours this looks great and can either work as differentiation between veterans, infantry and conscripts or just as added diversity.

The first 2nd Ed Imperial Guard army I put together had greatcoat Valhallans line up with Tallarns. Either someone was very cold or someone was going to be sweating rivers!

I have no issue with different Imperial Guard regiments alongside each other. In my mind's eye, the two regiments in the example above may have actually been in Cadian style fatigues for that battle.

I ordered 3 of them to round out my force. My guard army consists of Cadians with the most basic of kitbashes (headswaps only, were some of the first models I built and painted), a whole bunch of ebay rescue Steel Legion, and the old 3rd edition Stormtrooper models. I figure a few extra squads will be a fun project when I get them.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
How many people would really be expected to buy a squad for a sub-faction which has no other models available?

It's not like anyone can pick up an army or detachment of Steel Legion, and an individual squad can't be easily slotted into a plastic Guard army.

Mixed regiments is eminently supported in fluff.

You can 100% easily slot into plastic guard army. You know how? Here's the super secret trick: You put the models to the table.

tneva82 wrote:
Mixed regiments is eminently supported in fluff.

You can 100% easily slot into plastic guard army. You know how? Here's the super secret trick: You put the models to the table.

There are some major advantages to that approach, even if you turn it up to 11:
- You get to collect and paint all different Regiments without having to paint the exact same miniature dozens of times
- You can easily identify which Squad a mini belongs to (mine have poker chip stripes on their bases, what is your solution to this problem?)
- You never have to worry about reposing your models
- Likely a rather smaller pile of shame (no duplicate I might need these squads in the future boxes)
- You can show other people the history of the Guard, first hand, without needing a second apartment for that

The only negative:
- You miss out on the horde look of absolute uniformity

 GiToRaZor wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Mixed regiments is eminently supported in fluff.

You can 100% easily slot into plastic guard army. You know how? Here's the super secret trick: You put the models to the table.

There are some major advantages to that approach, even if you turn it up to 11:
- You get to collect and paint all different Regiments without having to paint the exact same miniature dozens of times
- You can easily identify which Squad a mini belongs to (mine have poker chip stripes on their bases, what is your solution to this problem?)
- You never have to worry about reposing your models
- Likely a rather smaller pile of shame (no duplicate I might need these squads in the future boxes)
- You can show other people the history of the Guard, first hand, without needing a second apartment for that

The only negative:
- You miss out on the horde look of absolute uniformity

Like this?



I did get a little bored though.

Some of those Praetorians are painted in schemes inspired by WWI, Kitchener's Camel Corps and the 95th Rifles.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
How many people would really be expected to buy a squad for a sub-faction which has no other models available?

It's not like anyone can pick up an army or detachment of Steel Legion, and an individual squad can't be easily slotted into a plastic Guard army.

Yea that is a big point too. If you wanted to do pure SL from just buying from GW, you couldn't no Hvy Weapons unless you want to go the Ebay route.

 BlackoCatto wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
How many people would really be expected to buy a squad for a sub-faction which has no other models available?

It's not like anyone can pick up an army or detachment of Steel Legion, and an individual squad can't be easily slotted into a plastic Guard army.

Yea that is a big point too. If you wanted to do pure SL from just buying from GW, you couldn't no Hvy Weapons unless you want to go the Ebay route.

I think the ship for a pure Steel Legion army from GW sailed a looooong time ago.

This is for those who wish to pad out the force they already have.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
How many people would really be expected to buy a squad for a sub-faction which has no other models available?

It's not like anyone can pick up an army or detachment of Steel Legion, and an individual squad can't be easily slotted into a plastic Guard army.

I mean you say that, and yet GW just relased the DKOK infantry in plastic. While the rest of their sub-faction is not avalible in plastic.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
How many people would really be expected to buy a squad for a sub-faction which has no other models available?

It's not like anyone can pick up an army or detachment of Steel Legion, and an individual squad can't be easily slotted into a plastic Guard army.

I mean you say that, and yet GW just relased the DKOK infantry in plastic. While the rest of their sub-faction is not avalible in plastic.

a) It wouldn't be unexpected if we got more plastic Death Korps in the near-ish future
b) There are Forge World Death Korps. Unlike Steel Legion
c) The plastic Death Korps have enough parts to make some stuff beyond a sergeant with a single weapon option, a single special weapon, a single heavy weapon (illegally based), and six dudes

This kit is comprised of 10 metal Steel Legion Troopers and is supplied with 10x Citadel 25mm Round Bases. The Sergeant is equipped with a laspistol and chainsword, one specialist is equipped with a Missile Launcher, one trooper is equipped as a loader, and another specialist is equipped with a grenade launcher.

They haven't been doing anything with heavy weapons teams for Guard releases of late. Cadian repackage didn't include them, the DKoK sprues don't have them. Both when shown in their 'standard' playable format are closer to the current Veteran loadouts than an Infantry Squad in that they have multiple Specials.

For what it's worth as well, the plastic DKoK options for the Sergeant are also partly available to something called a "Confidant" in KT. Only thing the Confidant cannot take is the Power Sword.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
How many people would really be expected to buy a squad for a sub-faction which has no other models available?

It's not like anyone can pick up an army or detachment of Steel Legion, and an individual squad can't be easily slotted into a plastic Guard army.

I mean you say that, and yet GW just relased the DKOK infantry in plastic. While the rest of their sub-faction is not avalible in plastic.

a) It wouldn't be unexpected if we got more plastic Death Korps in the near-ish future
b) There are Forge World Death Korps. Unlike Steel Legion
c) The plastic Death Korps have enough parts to make some stuff beyond a sergeant with a single weapon option, a single special weapon, a single heavy weapon (illegally based), and six dudes

Not illegally based. Official rule is what comes in box is legal. Anything else is not a legal rule

When I run IG, I like a platoon of the same squad, or to mix and match remnant "Veteran" squads depending on the type of game.

Thanks to Dakka Dakka, I've been able to get the figures I need, and also have the flexibility to go back and play with figures people are now scrambling around trying to buy on a "Last Chance" fake benchmark.


One thing I would have liked to see however, would have been recasts of the Sniper model, the LT model, and the Heavy Bolter team.

Well. ain't that a B. I recently got back into 40K and built an entire 5000pt Steel Legion Army. Even purchased 10 boxes of these metal figures in 2020.

I, for one, could care less if they go OOP. I am just glad I built the figures I enjoy looking at.

I’m pretty damn disappointed they didn’t bring back the old heavy weapons/specials. I’d give them my money. Instead last year I picked up a ton of (almost certainly recast) metal heavy weapons teams on ebay.

I’d still be happy with more, though.

GW can have my money for 5 more boxes and a direct-only defiler, I guess I get a primaris sergeant out of the deal. Maybe someone will want to buy it.

Just ordered my last squad. Had to struggle with whether I wanted two more, but I think one is enough. Maybe if I could get the alternate sculpts rather than all the squads being identical.

Still pretty surprising that these guys are still available at all in metal, but sad to see them go. They've been my favourite Imperial Guard models since they were released.