However, one date that will pique the interest of many a hobbyist (or anyone looking to pick up a cracking present for a relative, friend, or significant other) is Battleforce Day.
Be sure to join us on Thursday the 18th of November, when we’ll be revealing all of this year’s Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Age of Sigmar Battleforces in preparation for the holiday season. Not only do they save you money compared to picking up the constituent units separately, but each Battleforce will provide the perfect start – or significant reinforcements – to any collection.
Well the reveal will be - but traditionally they've always been sold in shops and to 3rd parties. Now it might be that the world transport situation means that some territories might get them later than intended.
Might be a shame if there's no specialist game one; but then again the only real game that supports that is AT. Necromunda doesn't really have enough in any one side to warrant a box and even if they did it would only be one force and feel a bit odd. Most of the other specialist games are much smaller in model ranges per force so, again, just don't really fit for a battlebox.
Well the reveal will be - but traditionally they've always been sold in shops and to 3rd parties. Now it might be that the world transport situation means that some territories might get them later than intended.
Might be a shame if there's no specialist game one; but then again the only real game that supports that is AT. Necromunda doesn't really have enough in any one side to warrant a box and even if they did it would only be one force and feel a bit odd. Most of the other specialist games are much smaller in model ranges per force so, again, just don't really fit for a battlebox.
Nonsense! We need a Necromunda box with 5 factions in it!
H.B.M.C. wrote: So what combination of Guardians, Dire Avengers, Vypers, War Walkers and Wraithguard will the Eldar one contain this year?
You just predicted a Black Guardians of Ulthwe battleforce and what's worse is they would justify it with fluff, even though it's literally nothing but trash.
I would be sorely tempted if they did an AoS Slaanesh Mortals themed one. Perhaps like last year's Tzeentch, a Keeper with a bunch of mortal followers.
Nothing in that description indicates they would be online only. Given that they have never been online only, its safe to assume they will continue to be available in stores.
In past years, I've noticed that the non 40k/AoS battleforces tend not to be announced at the same time. I.E. they usually show the 40k and AoS battleforces on the big preview day, and then 2 weeks later when they go up to preorder *surprise* heres an adeptus titanicus holiday bundle, 2 terrain bundles, and 4 paint and hobby supply bundles we didn't mention anywhere previously.
This year felt slow, and after we reached the second half EXTREMELY slow.
The other years we had Battleforces for the majority of the new edition new factions/first rule books, so for AoS I wait the mandatory SCE, I want to get surprised by Kruleboyz, and I really don't know, Nurgle has yet to be released. I don't know if they'd release SBGL because technically they weren't released for this edition but yet the BT was clearly designed for 3E.
40K is pretty much a loterry were half of the boxes are Astartes and 50% one of the boxes is Tau, so I bet Tau, at least two random chapters, I'd be nice to see Beast Snaggas but I don't count on them including a Hunt Rig, and one or two surpises if they go for 6 BF. Maybe one of them related to Charadon or Octarius for that case.
lord_blackfang wrote:Necromunda could have a Zone Mortalis discount box, like the one that was basically the terrain part of Dark Uprising and sold out immediately
Yeah, I'd buy that in a heartbeat as I didn't get the chance the first time...
I think in AoS it's 80% SCE, also Sylvaneth, Khorne had their battleforces a very long time ago, and Nurgle, Beasts of Chaos, Slaanesh didn't have them at all. Also, I'd consider Lumineth, Ossiarch, and Soulblight as newly introduced/or remade factions to have their battleforce.
For 40k I suppose it can be DA, SoB, Orks, Harlequins, TS or Grey Knights. I know some people wish for Knights, but it is hardly possible - we still didn't have battleforce with only huge models included. So I think for GW it is a priority to sell more models in Battleforce rather than 2 or 3.
For AOS I would be in trouble if they release skullcrusher themed box for Khorne and something like mega gargant+2 small giant. The unit I have been eyeballing for khorne long time and now with kragnos nerf(lol wut. Worst unit for mega gargants and THAT got nerfed...) my 2k army dropped down to 150 pts gap so need 3rd mega gargant and box of small giants to get 2k list again anyway.
Though for reasons in above post I suspect I'm safe from SoB box
OokamiEq wrote: I know some people wish for Knights, but it is hardly possible - we still didn't have battleforce with only huge models included. So I think for GW it is a priority to sell more models in Battleforce rather than 2 or 3.
With both factions still awaiting codexes, I think it's more likely to see an updated version of Knight: Renegade released once they're done. That would scratch the Battleforce itch and make it easier to buy into either flavour of knights.
OokamiEq wrote: For 40k I suppose it can be DA, SoB, Orks, Harlequins, TS or Grey Knights. I know some people wish for Knights, but it is hardly possible - we still didn't have battleforce with only huge models included. So I think for GW it is a priority to sell more models in Battleforce rather than 2 or 3.
Knights are possible - I can't remember if it was a Christmas battleforce or an Apocalypse one, but they did one a couple of years back with a Castellan and some Armigers in it.
Not the most impressive saving, but there was a saving - and at some point I'll get around to building that box...
H.B.M.C. wrote: They'll use them to get rid of all their excess FineCost stock.
Have they ever put Finecast into a Battleforce box?
Yup, the one with Beastclaw raiders had yhetees and frostsabres in it. But I think it was the only case and i doubt GW will include any in future.
I think also Varghulf in a FEC box. Not sure of these were xmas battleforces in particular, but were definitely post-AoS, general availability boxes with bespoke covers, so not old army deals (that did include metals) nor webstore only bundles.
Mechanic use box with the new flyer, horse/dog things and winged dudes, though putting all three newer kits together isn’t usual for them. So probably rust stalkers, the landing craft thing and some Robbie the robots.
lord_blackfang wrote: Necromunda could have a Zone Mortalis discount box, like the one that was basically the terrain part of Dark Uprising and sold out immediately
Would love this, but given how spotty the inventory for these have been this year it seems unlikely unfortunately.
I'd love to see an AT terrain box. We haven't had a discounted set for that since the game first came out, and a couple of other plastic terrain kits have been added to the range since.
Kruleboyz and Stormcast seem guaranteed given that they were released in Dominion and last years 40k battleforces included Astartes and Necrons which were released in Indomitus. We are guaranteed to get one Astartes box, minimum. Two is not out of the question.
For AoS I think Lumineth and Hedonites are good contenders. Lumineth are new but they can stick a couple wave 2 items into a box with a bunch of wave 1 items. Hedonites are easy - take a few older slaanesh daemons kits and but them in a box with 1-2 of the new mortals units. Ossiarch are a good candidate for Death as they haven't had a Battleforce box but Nighthaunt/FEC have and Soulblight are a bit on the new side (though also not out of the question as they still have some older kits in the range that GW can use this type of box to push).
For 40k I'd like to see a Sisters box (preferably one that doesn't include the contents of their launch box/Combat Patrol). I'm guessing Orks rate a box this year (mostly older minis + maybe a new Beastsnagga kit), I would like to see a GSC box but I doubt it with the Custodes/GSC box coming out in the near future. Death Guard/Thousand Sons seem like the likely contenders as well. AdMech have a good range of older kits to draw from plus some more recent stuff to pair them with, so good contenders there too.
For Terrain - I want a wall of martyrs bundle, bring back the Firestorm Redoubt and Aquila Strongpoint!
OokamiEq wrote: Also, I'd consider Lumineth, Ossiarch, and Soulblight as newly introduced/or remade factions to have their battleforce.
Ossiarch are about 3 years old now (I know this because I hoped each of the last two years that they would receive a box and was disappointed. This year would be year #3), more than old enough to get a box, especially considering Gloomspite got their first battleforce within a year of the faction being released. As for Lumineth, the fact that they got a recent second wave of minis is a good indicator that they are a contender, usually these battleforces contain a bunch of older stuff + a couple newer items - Necrons last year were all older kits + the new warriors that had only released a few months prior, for example.
chaos0xomega wrote: Kruleboyz and Stormcast seem guaranteed given that they were released in Dominion and last years 40k battleforces included Astartes and Necrons which were released in Indomitus.
Those both only had the one basic fodder unit repeated from Indomitus, the rest was all older models. There's no way the battleforces would be all this year's models, which disqualifies Krule Boys and whatever chamber the Primaris Stormcast are entirely. In addition, there's still piles of unsold Dominions practically lying around in the streets. More likely we see Ironjaws and a random older Chamber.
If anything Ossiarchs need some new models before they get a box - they've a great range but not a huge amount of model diversity. Which is strange because they are a great and new concept that I think are just begging for their second wave of models to land at some stage. Heck Underworlds already suggests that there will be archers
OokamiEq wrote: For 40k I suppose it can be DA, SoB, Orks, Harlequins, TS or Grey Knights. I know some people wish for Knights, but it is hardly possible - we still didn't have battleforce with only huge models included. So I think for GW it is a priority to sell more models in Battleforce rather than 2 or 3.
Knights are possible - I can't remember if it was a Christmas battleforce or an Apocalypse one, but they did one a couple of years back with a Castellan and some Armigers in it.
Not the most impressive saving, but there was a saving - and at some point I'll get around to building that box...
As soon as I heard the Christmas boxes were coming, my first thought was "Knights."
There are going to be Knight players looking to stock up on Armigers / War Dogs.
While the cynical part of me says that the AoS boxes will be SCE and Lumineth, I hope it ends up being Lumineth and Hedonites (with a few demons as possible).
While I do not collect the Lumineth, a couple of friends would buy one in a heartbeat, and pending the composition of a theoretical Hedonite box I could be in for 2. I just think that with Dominion still available in lots of places, that the SCE may be out of the running for this Battleforce.
Overread wrote: If anything Ossiarchs need some new models before they get a box - they've a great range but not a huge amount of model diversity. Which is strange because they are a great and new concept that I think are just begging for their second wave of models to land at some stage. Heck Underworlds already suggests that there will be archers
Totally agree. As long as Ossiarch seem to be a remake of Tomb kings, archers would be highly welcomed. Not even mentioning that Death doesn’t have archers at all…
xttz wrote: I'd love to see an AT terrain box. We haven't had a discounted set for that since the game first came out, and a couple of other plastic terrain kits have been added to the range since.
Kanluwen wrote: Ossiarch getting a box themed around the Kavalos is extremely likely.
They already had one as part of the Mortal Realms books - 2 units of Deathriders and a Kavalos kit which was basically free in the set. Always meant to pick one up and never got around to it. That could certainly form half of a battleforce for Ossiarchs.
xttz wrote: I'd love to see an AT terrain box. We haven't had a discounted set for that since the game first came out, and a couple of other plastic terrain kits have been added to the range since.
That would be nice, if nothing else for the game.
I would also like this, but I'd rather have ZM tho...
MajorWesJanson wrote: Of terrain, it would be great if the imperial sector with the big 3 panel wall returned.
It'd be great if the Sector Imperialis terrain would just return. Period. A single bit of SoB terrain and some frames in a limited edition Kill Team box isn't enough.
I somehow can see GW use the Battleforce as an excuse to bring back the many MANY recent "made for starter box" sprues they have made trough the years.
Death Guard from Dark Imperium in particular would be nice to finally be able to get our hands on the Lord of Contagion, and I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled an Indomitus half or two, and maybe even a Shadow spears.
Trying to catch a gullible idiot thinking; "Since it's a bundle, they're clearly discounting! And avalible for a limited time, i must hurry!"
...thinking about it, yeah, that probably IS the point.
It may also serve as a sort of step up from combat patrol for gift shopping purposes or something. Something to help people shop for loved ones that put warhammer on their Xmas list I would assume. Or birthday list. Whatever. I certainly agree that these are dumb.
Trying to catch a gullible idiot thinking; "Since it's a bundle, they're clearly discounting! And avalible for a limited time, i must hurry!"
...thinking about it, yeah, that probably IS the point.
It may also serve as a sort of step up from combat patrol for gift shopping purposes or something. Something to help people shop for loved ones that put warhammer on their Xmas list I would assume. Or birthday list. Whatever. I certainly agree that these are dumb.
Other peoples loved ones apparently love them a lot more than mine love me if that bundle is necessary!
JWBS wrote: Just one day to go! I'm excited to see what's coming, I had already mentally spent everything I put aside for this but I'm happy that I waited.
ImAGeek wrote: I imagine I would be incredibly tempted by an Ossiarch or Hedonites box.
Based on my current finances I can guarantee that at least one or both will happen and they will be glorious temptations
Sisters of Battle will also get one
Tyranids will also get one which will heavily feature elite class models, no gaunts or carnifexs (cause they always appear in them)
Last nid box had neither gaunts or fexes. Which is a shame, as I wanted both. But since I’ve since bought them separate, there is a good chance for them this year.
Oh I'm fairly sure I will be - but if they put zoanthropes, hive guard etc... all in a big bundle that would be a really big temptation for me. Tyranids will be either a swarm or an apco style monster collection like they've generally had before - if they get one of course.
Overread wrote: Oh I'm fairly sure I will be - but if they put zoanthropes, hive guard etc... all in a big bundle that would be a really big temptation for me. Tyranids will be either a swarm or an apco style monster collection like they've generally had before - if they get one of course.
Overread wrote: Oh I'm fairly sure I will be - but if they put zoanthropes, hive guard etc... all in a big bundle that would be a really big temptation for me. Tyranids will be either a swarm or an apco style monster collection like they've generally had before - if they get one of course.
Judging by previous discounted Tyranid boxes, I'm expecting 2 sprues of Genestealers and 10 Broodlords
Overread wrote: Oh I'm fairly sure I will be - but if they put zoanthropes, hive guard etc... all in a big bundle that would be a really big temptation for me. Tyranids will be either a swarm or an apco style monster collection like they've generally had before - if they get one of course.
Judging by previous discounted Tyranid boxes, I'm expecting 2 sprues of Genestealers and 10 Broodlords
Is it even a Tyranid bundle without genestealers? I don’t really want them and have like 30. And I’ve not been collecting them for that long.
It's like getting an astra militarum box without that commissar. Or ad mech without the magos. Or GSC and that banner dude who people sell for next to nothing on ebay (or even just give it away as a freebie)
GaroRobe wrote: It's like getting an astra militarum box without that commissar. Or ad mech without the magos. Or GSC and that banner dude who people sell for next to nothing on ebay (or even just give it away as a freebie)
The sad part is that the Iconward can easily accept arms from the Acolyte kit, giving you a free Acolyte.
I'm curious and torn. I look at my Thousand Sons/Death Guard and think 'I really don't need anything.' I look at my CSM and my Eldar and think 'don't buy anything until the new codex drops.'
Ragweek wrote: Wonder what time today they will be giving the drop on this one!
Ive got my fingers crossed for Imperial Knights.
Even if its like the appocolipse set but with a regular big knight and two mini ones..
Around 6pm is my guess?
Hmm not sure, 6pm is a good time for big reveals that GW often uses, but its rarer for them to use that mid-week when its not a major event or such. Unless they are going to string out the reveal with video, I suspect it will drop sometime in the afternoon like a normal news post.
It's more curiousity at this point. Probably can't afford any of them, probably not going to be anything that catches me (unless they pull a Surprise Seraphon or a Deathrattle heavy SBG box).
So may sit on funds for Battletomes and maybe that Zoat Star Player for Blood Bowl...
You know, since they took all the Lizardmen star players away eradicating my desire to hunt down stuff to convert for them...
I wonder how much the Vanguard: Maggotkin of Nurgle box will be - it's the current Start Collecting! Maggotkin of Nurgle (£60) box with the Lord of Blights (£17.50) swapped for a Spoilpox Scrivener (£20) and Plaguebearers (£22.50) added...
As someone who doesn't play any of these armies yet, they all look great to me. And all are pretty new factions. Let's just hope stocks last and the price isn't jacked up. But I give AoS a 10 on content.
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beast_gts wrote: I wonder how much the Vanguard: Maggotkin of Nurgle box will be - it's the current Start Collecting! Maggotkin of Nurgle (£60) box with the Lord of Blights (£17.50) swapped for a Spoilpox Scrivener (£20) and Plaguebearers (£22.50) added...
I like the inclusion of that new vampire dragon. Shame there's no centrepiece for the Slaanesh box. Pass from me on all of these, bring on the 40K (hopefully more than four!).
Was a little worried they would have a vampire one, but I’m safe to pass. I try to run rot-free, so don’t want the zombies, and not a fan of the centerpiece model.
Those are all personal preference things. Otherwise it looks like a fun box that would make a good army core.
Vanari one is nice and my Lumineth box is still just sitting in the closet. Wish it had some of the other models though rather than a repeat of the spearmen and cavalry.
With them not being in the gift guide, I was worried these battleforces were going to be direct only bundles with a token discount like on warhammer day. Glad to see they're dedicated releases like before.
xttz wrote: With them not being in the gift guide, I was worried these battleforces were going to be direct only bundles with a token discount like on warhammer day. Glad to see they're dedicated releases like before.
It's very possible they were left out because GW themselves weren't sure if they could deploy them in time
Was tempted to start a Vampire army, but the price of skeletons and zombies really are a bit much for what they are in my opinion and make bundles look a bit underwhelming. Lumineth looks very tempting though
Hmmmm, I wonder if that Rohan terrain can be tweaked to fit a Kruleboy swamp theme. I was planning to get some STLs to 3D print, but plastics are almost always better.
KillerAngel wrote: Hmmmm, I wonder if that Rohan terrain can be tweaked to fit a Kruleboy swamp theme. I was planning to get some STLs to 3D print, but plastics are almost always better.
Definitely needs a knife taken to them. There are times the LotR range spits out great models, but its so distinctly 'middle earth' that its a turn-off.
tneva82 wrote: The rohan box is nice. I got set last time and from 6 houses made 4 reqular and 1 big one and all looking different to each other.
If it was just houses(i have enough palisade) that would tempt me more than army deals.
Is the scale difference that noticeable on the kits?
I suspect so, it was noticeable on models back in the middlehammer days. By now I suspect you'd even notice on terrain, accepting that model terrain is almost always over sized in some ways. (We expect doors to be one base width wide. My house doors certainly aren't 5-6' across.
KillerAngel wrote: Hmmmm, I wonder if that Rohan terrain can be tweaked to fit a Kruleboy swamp theme. I was planning to get some STLs to 3D print, but plastics are almost always better.
Definitely needs a knife taken to them. There are times the LotR range spits out great models, but its so distinctly 'middle earth' that its a turn-off.
Much like the Laketown houses, there's almost nothing that looks specifically Weta, other than someone's familiarity level with the designs, with the exception of the Rohan horse iconography on the roof crossbar which is an optional piece, or removable from the watchtower kit. Otherwise they are suitable for anything (and lots of Saga players use 'em for just dark ages houses)
Lumineth would have tempted me more if they'd had the archer fox
Ossiarchs is a very solid set, but hten considering how small their range is you can't really make a bad box for them
Slaanesh really tempts me as that's a great core of mortals - no keeper so not as visually stunning as last years Tzeentch, but youv'e got the awesome new seeker riders in there!
Vampires looks like a very very solid start to vampire army!
Yeah, for those that don't play, LOTR models are so much smaller than 40k and AOS models. Even the smaller scale warhammer fantasy line was noticeably bigger, and that scale only increased with AOS.
I don't recommend getting those kits to use in AOS, since you will notice the size differences. Unless its like a halfling house...?
Honestly I don't see a dud in them - Ossiarchs perhaps as they aren't the most popular new army, in part I think because they need a second wave of models much like Lumineth got. That said its a fantastic deal for getting started with them or expanding.
I do not foresee any of these lasting a long time in the market.
And yes the Vampire box is a surprise considering its all new models - Slaanesh too and a good chunk of Lumineth - heh the Ossiarchs - the newest concept army of the lot - are the oldest models
GaroRobe wrote: Yeah, for those that don't play, LOTR models are so much smaller than 40k and AOS models. Even the smaller scale warhammer fantasy line was noticeably bigger, and that scale only increased with AOS.
I don't recommend getting those kits to use in AOS, since you will notice the size differences. Unless its like a halfling house...?
Why would it need to be a halfling house? In middle ages, people didn't live in villas, houses were small because wood, especially worked one, was expensive. Doors weren't big either, because you don't want heat to easily escape, nor the nasties to easily get in. Doors need to be one base wide? What? Even in modern buildings you don't see two meter wide doors, half base door would be more realistic.
The Phazer wrote: £196.50 by my count in the Slaanesh box. That feels a bit too good to be £125, maybe these are £150?
I like how quickly people forgot with all the price hikes that bigger bundles used to be 50% off...
GaroRobe wrote: Yeah, for those that don't play, LOTR models are so much smaller than 40k and AOS models. Even the smaller scale warhammer fantasy line was noticeably bigger, and that scale only increased with AOS.
I don't recommend getting those kits to use in AOS, since you will notice the size differences. Unless its like a halfling house...?
Many aos modeis are supposead to be bigger than reqular humans though. Stormcast? Over head taller. If doors look they are comfortable for sce/elves they are too small as reqular human house and indeed smaller doors sell size of stormcast(which is why mixing sce&cos is fun. It reinforces just how big sce are).
Gaming wise they are good sized. Not too small to have too little impact, not big enough manouvering too impacted, tall enough it blocks los to most but not monsters. 6 of them fits nicely to board
Hmmm the 40k ones look a lot less impressive, probably mostly down to including a lot of older models or overlapping with recent starters. AdMech could really use a vehicle in there instead of the Rangers that already came in literally every AdMech bundle ever.
would have loved to see the Ork boxset be 3 flyers
if pricing good, the Sisters one will be on my list. Expecting points for their vehicles to drop significantly in next update. Don't have dogmata (although easy conversion) and need more sacresants.
Necron surprises me as they've had Indomitus last year and this year are in the Imperium Magazine - so whilst it is a very good set, it doesn't actually interest me. The bits I do want I can get in the magazine for cheaper and the rest I kind of have enough of already. However for anyone who missed out on those its a great set.
I think so far the 40K look like very nice, not perhaps as exciting to me, but very nice sets. The AoS are more "exciting/interesting"
lord_blackfang wrote: Hmmm the 40k ones look a lot less impressive, probably mostly down to including a lot of older models or overlapping with recent starters. AdMech could really use a vehicle in there instead of the Rangers that already came in literally every AdMech bundle ever.
As someone with both Ad Mech start collecting boxes I'm quite happy for it to have the more recent models in, and it goes well with the Combat Patrol box for anyone starting out. Can't really do one without the rangers/vanguard as there just isn't the troop choices.
The Ork one is pretty useless, Grots and Nobz? Two of the worst units in the codex. You only ever need max 1 killtrike and it's tricky to convert to another buggy, so this is definitely mostly for new players. It would have been better to skip the Grots and Nobz and added some Warbikes instead though, as currently it's a rather weird mix of units that doesn't synergize at all.
lord_blackfang wrote: Hmmm the 40k ones look a lot less impressive, probably mostly down to including a lot of older models or overlapping with recent starters. AdMech could really use a vehicle in there instead of the Rangers that already came in literally every AdMech bundle ever.
There's two options for Troops with AdMech.
It's either the Skitarii Ranger/Vanguard set or the Kataphron. Both have shown up in quite a few sets.
Personally, I'm a fan of Skitarii showing up. Means that I can fix my squads a bit easier while also getting some stuff I didn't already have(Pteraxii).
Oguhmek wrote: The Ork one is pretty useless, Grots and Nobz? Two of the worst units in the codex. You only ever need max 1 killtrike and it's tricky to convert to another buggy, so this is definitely mostly for new players. It would have been better to skip the Grots and Nobz and added some Warbikes instead though, as currently it's a rather weird mix of units that doesn't synergize at all.
Well these are aimed to start armies so no surprise.
I like how Space Marines are most numerous after orks, despite having a vehicle in the bundle. We horde army now, eh?
I don't get why GW put old captain in there, though. Why not Gravis to go with HI? Or one of new ones? I'd also prefer Infiltrators instead of AI to match the theme of the army. Or hell, even Reivers. AI add very little, don't synergize with anything, and are very cheap from other bundles...
lord_blackfang wrote: AdMech could really use a vehicle in there instead of the Rangers that already came in literally every AdMech bundle ever.
Well, yes, a vehicle would have been nice, but the box is actually quite interesting for me. I don't have the riders, flyers and the fat dude and only one walker and one squad of Sicarians. And I wanted to buy a hoplite upgrade kit from FW, so I need a new Skitarii box anyway... Dammit! Usually I never care for those boxes.
As these are likely candidates for gifts from the uninitiated, that might not be such a bad thing?
I think that they will never have "proper focus" because for most armies there are enough options that people will always have a problem with a kit in some form. More so for armies with more models where there's more diversity or odler armies where many established people already have most of the models and want specifics - often non-core things that they have loads of already.
Oguhmek wrote: The Ork one is pretty useless, Grots and Nobz? Two of the worst units in the codex. You only ever need max 1 killtrike and it's tricky to convert to another buggy, so this is definitely mostly for new players. It would have been better to skip the Grots and Nobz and added some Warbikes instead though, as currently it's a rather weird mix of units that doesn't synergize at all.
Well these are aimed to start armies so no surprise.
Sure but it hardly does the newbies any list building favours, neither gameplay wise nor thematically.
The models are great (I love Grots and Nobs), and should be fun for a beginner to paint and I guess that is what they focus on.
Also, now that I look at these, they really should have added 1 more cheap, filler character to Sisters and AM. Would pad value a bit and make both look less puny on the table. It's just sad how little models they have compared to SM and orks, neither is supposed to be an low numbers elite army
The necron one is pretty disappointing. Not sure who told them people wanted two slot machines and even more warriors. Would have rather had more heavy destroyers and immortals.
The DG one looks pretty sweet. Guess that'll be my next army
All these boxes go absolutely great with existing discount boxes (from what I can see, I don't know tall the ins-and-outs of armies from a player's perspective but for an army collector they're super good). The usual whingers that are complaining that they aren't 100% perfect for their own individual needs would absolutely w/o a doubt have been whinging about these no matter what was included, we all know this.
JWBS wrote: All these boxes go absolutely great with existing discount boxes (from what I can see, I don't know tall the ins-and-outs of armies from a player's perspective but for an army collector they're super good). The usual whingers that are complaining that they aren't 100% perfect for their own individual needs would absolutely w/o a doubt have been whinging about these no matter what was included, we all know this.
35 infantry and a bike boss isn't super good for anyone no matter how much you bend over backwards to make excuses for GW. This has nothing to do with what I want for my army.
JWBS wrote: All these boxes go absolutely great with existing discount boxes (from what I can see, I don't know tall the ins-and-outs of armies from a player's perspective but for an army collector they're super good). The usual whingers that are complaining that they aren't 100% perfect for their own individual needs would absolutely w/o a doubt have been whinging about these no matter what was included, we all know this.
35 infantry and a bike boss isn't super good for anyone no matter how much you bend over backwards to make excuses for GW. This has nothing to do with what I want for my army.
Well, I'd opt for two or three battleforces providing a decent start of an army.
JWBS wrote: All these boxes go absolutely great with existing discount boxes (from what I can see, I don't know tall the ins-and-outs of armies from a player's perspective but for an army collector they're super good). The usual whingers that are complaining that they aren't 100% perfect for their own individual needs would absolutely w/o a doubt have been whinging about these no matter what was included, we all know this.
35 infantry and a bike boss isn't super good for anyone no matter how much you bend over backwards to make excuses for GW. This has nothing to do with what I want for my army.
Yeah you aren't on the list of usual whingers but anyway as I said it goes great with the existing offerings. ff the top of my head I can remember that the Ork CP has deffkoptas and a megaboss, anyone that has bought one or more of those is probably quite happy to see a plane and a different commander in here. This goes for all of the boxes from what I can see - the AM one, add that to the tank and the Enginseer and the Kataphron from the CP box, there's no duplicates aside from core troops. I reiterate, these boxes are great for beginners and experienced collectors alike.
Actually --- Scratch what I said about the Necron one - I just realised that those are wraiths in the background not the three legged warriors; and the Imperium magazine comes with the reanimator not the blaster walker.
dewd11 wrote: The necron one is pretty disappointing. Not sure who told them people wanted two slot machines and even more warriors. Would have rather had more heavy destroyers and immortals.
The DG one looks pretty sweet. Guess that'll be my next army
The necron one is exactly the list of models i wanted to get lol (well... except the psychomancer. I already play night lords for useless morale effects).
Only bad thing about the Necron one (and it's a small letdown at worst imo) is the flayed ones taking up a good chunk of the value with the discount Imperium flayed ones just around the corner. The Sisters look kind of light on models I'm less excited about that now it has sunk in, might still buy it and try to flog off the vehicles and commander though six months from now, see if I can come away with a very hefty discount on the troops (which is all I want from this box) once the dust settles.
Actually I'd say the downside with the Necron one is the two big walkers and the Rule of 3 since they come in single unit blocks; if you get 2 sets you end up with 1 that is technically "spare"
Sent my preorder in to my local store:
2 Soulblight
2 Hedonite
2 Ossiarch
2 Necron
2 Ad Mech
4 Sisters (2 are for my girlfriend)
This years gonna be expensive, good thing I'm working a bit of overtime the next couple weeks XD. Was tempted by the Vanari but I gotta draw the line *somewhere*. Orks are a pass, the only thing in there I really want is the flyer. Marines are tempting but I don't need more regular and assault intercessors.
Overread wrote: Actually I'd say the downside with the Necron one is the two big walkers and the Rule of 3 since they come in single unit blocks; if you get 2 sets you end up with 1 that is technically "spare"
Got that multiple of three though if you bought Indomitus and one of these, I imagine that will be quite common amongst Necron people.
Overread wrote: Actually I'd say the downside with the Necron one is the two big walkers and the Rule of 3 since they come in single unit blocks; if you get 2 sets you end up with 1 that is technically "spare"
Throw it on eBay at 40% off MSRP and make back some of the money you spent *shrug*
SM one is solid, just by sheer quantity (though at first I thought it had 3 lieutenants, not bladeguard, which says... something)
Sisters feels thin, probably because of the price tag on the tanks.
Ad Mech one also feels very thin, again probably because of the retail cost on some of those kits.
DG set is actually pretty nice, but I suspect that's mostly for the three blighthaulers together rather than scrounging for them. Too bad that is still an E2B kit rather than something with options.
Necron box I like in theory, though its got too many models I don't want
Ork box is just... weird. Grots are cheap as chips, no reason for one of the few reasonably priced ($18 for 11 models) kits to be taking up space in a bargain box. Nobs have been oversold in boxed sets and battleforces for years. The new monopose-orks are fine, I guess. Not sure what the trike and flyer are doing in there.
Its fine, overall. None of the 40k or AoS boxes are really appealing to me, but most aren't awful. Not going to bother on waiting three weeks for an order to show up for these, though.
JWBS wrote: All these boxes go absolutely great with existing discount boxes (from what I can see, I don't know tall the ins-and-outs of armies from a player's perspective but for an army collector they're super good). The usual whingers that are complaining that they aren't 100% perfect for their own individual needs would absolutely w/o a doubt have been whinging about these no matter what was included, we all know this.
35 infantry and a bike boss isn't super good for anyone no matter how much you bend over backwards to make excuses for GW. This has nothing to do with what I want for my army.
Well might just as well quit gw games then if these are too low value. As anything else is worse. Stop playing and for own sanity stop paying any attention to it.
Yeah I think the AM is the pick of the bunch here imo. The flying guys, the cavalry, both of these are new and also fairly pricey. Then the walker, the semi-exclusive commander, minimal overlap of the troops between this and SC/CP. Even the Ruststalkers are great for a lot of people, I imagine many are put off paying £30+ for a unit of 5 mansize miniatures, getting them at 40% discount can never be bad. I think I'll try and get two of these.
That battle sister box is straight garbage tbh. Battle sisters are the kit everyone has, the exorcist and immolator are both trash. You're basically just buying the box for the dogmata and the sacrosancts.
It's still a discount and that's always nice, but man...the only way it would have been worse is if they had put in a castigator instead.
ERJAK wrote: That battle sister box is straight garbage tbh. Battle sisters are the kit everyone has, the exorcist and immolator are both trash. You're basically just buying the box for the dogmata and the sacrosancts.
Unless you're getting started with Sisters - again a lot of these boxes aren't good for "I've got most of the army" but are great for expanding a slight beginning army or starting one afresh
If they replaced the Sisters tanks with arcoflags, pain engine, repentia or seraphs people would doubtless cry about that, given that they're in the CP. So what's left exactly? What can you not get now at discount, for Sisters, between this and the CP?
ERJAK wrote: That battle sister box is straight garbage tbh. Battle sisters are the kit everyone has, the exorcist and immolator are both trash. You're basically just buying the box for the dogmata and the sacrosancts.
Unless you're getting started with Sisters - again a lot of these boxes aren't good for "I've got most of the army" but are great for expanding a slight beginning army or starting one afresh
Even then, it's mostly tricking you into making a bad sister's army.
I think that GW has been pretty intentionally designing bundles (starter boxes, combat patrols, and battleforces) to be really good deals that don't really reward buying multiples.
At least they're doing a better job of keeping in mind what's in Combat Patrols when they release these.
JWBS wrote: Yeah I think the AM is the pick of the bunch here imo. The flying guys, the cavalry, both of these are new and also fairly pricey. Then the walker, the semi-exclusive commander, minimal overlap of the troops between this and SC/CP. Even the Ruststalkers are great for a lot of people, I imagine many are put off paying £30+ for a unit of 5 mansize miniatures, getting them at 40% discount can never be bad. I think I'll try and get two of these.
Yea as much as GW have been cramming Rangers down our throats at every opportunity, they have been oddly stingy with Sicarians (also Electro Priests)
Overread wrote: Actually --- Scratch what I said about the Necron one - I just realised that those are wraiths in the background not the three legged warriors; and the Imperium magazine comes with the reanimator not the blaster walker.
Recolour me interested !
Not only that, they're the new 2020 wraith things, not the old ones. From the unfamiliar name I also first assumed they're the tripods.
JWBS wrote: If they replaced the Sisters tanks with arcoflags, pain engine, repentia or seraphs people would doubtless cry about that, given that they're in the CP. So what's left exactly? What can you not get now at discount, for Sisters, between this and the CP?
You still can't get penitent engines, repentia, seraphim or arcoflags at a discount. The CP kits are mono-pose with no options and also all minimum unit sizes, which basically means you have to buy 2 to get 1 one squad of arcos or repentia (that you'd actually field).
If the tanks didn't suck, this box would be amazing. The tanks suck, so its not.
JWBS wrote: Looks like that's it, no terrain or paint or SG reveals and it's gone 17:00 now.
They usually don't reveal that stuff with the battleforces for whatever reason, they'll pop up on the preorder announcement one of these weekends instead.
The Orks one is very disjointed and very iffy for both newcomers and veteran Ork players. No buggies, no warbikerz, kommandos or even a Trukk. I feel like they spun a wheel and just used that to figure out what to put in there.
Grimskul wrote: The Orks one is very disjointed and very iffy for both newcomers and veteran Ork players. No buggies, no warbikerz, kommandos or even a Trukk. I feel like they spun a wheel and just used that to figure out what to put in there.
I think, as has been said above, they looked at the existing discount boxes and tried not to duplicate them (either that or they've managed to randomly achieve this which I find unlikely). It's pretty fair that they didn't put Kommandos in. I guess many people would have preferred bikes or whatnot but the only mildly offensive thing in there is the 15yo Nob kit imo. Perhaps fewer core troops also would have been ideal.
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JWBS wrote: Usually preorders are between Monday and Wednesday the week following Warcom reveals right?
Well, preorders are on Saturday, of course, but stores get order forms early in the week and that's when prices are leaked, yea.
CMLR wrote:
JWBS wrote: Usually preorders are between Monday and Wednesday the week following Warcom reveals right?
This is until december, and no, is on the saturday.
Apart from the weird ork set, these all seem decent. I think SM and DG are the joint 'winners' in having the best set that also feel like a functioning army. (Although the cheap blighthauler kit probably skews the DG a bit)
JWBS wrote: If they replaced the Sisters tanks with arcoflags, pain engine, repentia or seraphs people would doubtless cry about that, given that they're in the CP. So what's left exactly? What can you not get now at discount, for Sisters, between this and the CP?
You still can't get penitent engines, repentia, seraphim or arcoflags at a discount. The CP kits are mono-pose with no options and also all minimum unit sizes, which basically means you have to buy 2 to get 1 one squad of arcos or repentia (that you'd actually field).
If the tanks didn't suck, this box would be amazing. The tanks suck, so its not.
From a new sister player perspective, this box is outstanding.
Let's say you started with the Combat Patrol (expected) you would now have...
Canonness
2x10 sisters
5 seraphim
dogmata
repentia superior
some repentia and arco flags
sacrosants
rhino
immolator
exorcist
pen engine
it's a good starting sisters force for discount.
I fully expect that immolators and exorcists will take a pretty good price drop on next update, so tanks won't be complete trash by that point. Just because you and other "must only play best" players don't like the rules, the models themselves are some of the best armoured vehicles in the game.
Grimskul wrote: The Orks one is very disjointed and very iffy for both newcomers and veteran Ork players. No buggies, no warbikerz, kommandos or even a Trukk. I feel like they spun a wheel and just used that to figure out what to put in there.
Yeah, I stopped buying Orks at <1500pts in case an xmas battleforce came up with stuff I wanted. It didn't even need to be particularly competitive units (the meta always swings around eventually), just models I'm interested in like walkers or vehicles. However after just finishing 40 Boyz plus my longstanding rule about not buying any planes for 40k, I don't have much of an urge to buy this box. Shame.
The AdMech box on the other had has several kits I'd previously put off buying due to cost, and may end up happening instead.
Fergie0044 wrote: Apart from the weird ork set, these all seem decent. I think SM and DG are the joint 'winners' in having the best set that also feel like a functioning army. (Although the cheap blighthauler kit probably skews the DG a bit)
It does, but for a long time they were hard to get. So the blighthaulers are something that actually appeals to people.
The Deathshroud also fall into the 'too expensive for a box of 3 models, but in a discount box they're fine' logic trap. Same for the icon bearer, really.
JWBS wrote: Usually preorders are between Monday and Wednesday the week following Warcom reveals right?
This is until december, and no, is on the saturday.
Oh okay so either 27th or 4th?
Last few years the battleforces have been up for preorder on the last Saturday in Nov, in stores for the first Sat in Dec. We should see the article on Sunday with prices on Monday
Get up early on preorder day would be my advice, I haven't seen any such promise for these (some said they weren't even coming until the announcement a week ago)
bullyboy wrote: I fully expect that immolators and exorcists will take a pretty good price drop on next update, so tanks won't be complete trash by that point. Just because you and other "must only play best" players don't like the rules, the models themselves are some of the best armoured vehicles in the game.
I've been playing the game for 20 years, and I've watched nearly every unit I own swing between excellent and trash. Even some units that were repeatedly mediocre (Stormtroopers!) eventually became really good, albeit after 20 years. Still waiting for my Ogryn to have their moment.
As the codex cycle has shortened, and GW is now balancing points and even datasheets on the regular, or sprinkling in hot patch stratagems, buying only based on what's really good right now only makes sense if you're painting everything you buy more or less immediatly. If you buy things and they sit on a shelf for six months or more, things could change.
This is all a way of saying, Immolaters have exactly the sort of datasheet that can be good, coupling twin MMs with some cargo capacity in an army with access to pre game moves, advancing and shooting, and ways to manipulate damage dice. They could drop 10pts and be real good (and in Argent Shroud with dominions, they're perfectly fine now).
JWBS wrote: Get up early on preorder day would be my advice, I haven't seen any such promise for these (some said they weren't even coming until the announcement a week ago)
I don't understand this advice. Why aren't you guys preordering through your local indy stores? You don't pay shipping, you'll probably get a discount, and (assuming you have a good relationship with the staff) you can put your orders in up front (like now) before its even able to be ordered through the webshop. You'll be ahead of the game, unlike the shmucks who buy everything direct.
And we probably won't get a preorder promise, to date the only preorder promises that have been done have been for sets that contain unique sculpts in them. Everything in these boxes is just bundled content that you can buy off the shelf today at a slightly better price. Theres no reason or obligation for GW to make a preorder promise to you - you may want it, but GW is incentived not to make too many available, as that would be a loss vs what they could get if you bought the kits at the regular price.
I don't have a local retailer I do all my GW shopping online. The store I use isn't one of the main guys though, at least I don't think they are, I never see the name mentioned, unlike the usual suspects like Alchemist, Wayland, Darksphere, Element etc. I'm fairly confident I'll get what I need (if not I'll be a bit gutted).
JWBS wrote: Get up early on preorder day would be my advice, I haven't seen any such promise for these (some said they weren't even coming until the announcement a week ago)
I don't understand this advice. Why aren't you guys preordering through your local indy stores? You don't pay shipping, you'll probably get a discount, and (assuming you have a good relationship with the staff) you can put your orders in up front (like now) before its even able to be ordered through the webshop. You'll be ahead of the game, unlike the shmucks who buy everything direct.
Because around these parts GW has screwed over the local stores to the point that they can't guarantee they'll get boxed sets in at all, let alone multiple ones for customers who want one. For me, the closest one generally won't even do it. It took 3 in person trips to the store to get Dominion ordered, and it was only 'probably' over the course of the week and a half until the day before release (because it literally came in Friday's shipment). Of the four stores I can get to in an hour or so, only one does a discount at all, and its barely worth the drive. The last two times I tried to preorder stuff, they couldn't get it. They still have (as far as I know) Indomitus boxed sets, but everything after that has been a nightmare, and the owner complains about the GW rep ghosting him on new products.
Pre-ordering direct from Indy stores just isn't a reliable option.
Granted, getting things direct from GW is slow and laborious these days too, but its often the workable option if its really on the wish list.
Grots are sort of just a non-unit, don’t deal damage, can’t soak damage, can’t go onto points.
Boyz aren’t all too much better, maybe if they had gotten a trukk?
The flyer is probably the best thing in there, it’s going to carry anyone who uses that list as is.
Nobz are just way too squishy for the points to footslog with the rest of the infantry
Big mek with SAG is just over costed for what it can expect to do, and there’s nothing to help bodyguard it where it wants to stay at
Deffkilla is gimped because you have nothing to zoom up with it, and there’s not enough things capitalizing on speedwaaagh to just keep it in the back.
Just give me my seperate kommandos already morkdamnit.
Oooft i'm so torn now between destroying a DA combat patrol for my Sons of sanguinius Homebrew chapter
Or waiting for this
i've heard alot of arguments about getting the DA box..but if i'm honest i want to go for fluff rather than whats Meta
& something about Storm speeder is calling to me
I know i'm probably bonkers but what can you do
Just keep an eye on the Sunday posts - depending on how GW are approaching their terminology, going on pre-order on the 27th to release on the 4th would be possible, but so would going on pre-order on the 4th to release on the 11th.
I'm tempted by the Necron one for now, to add some more variety to what I've got ahead of working on them next year.
Overread wrote: Actually I'd say the downside with the Necron one is the two big walkers and the Rule of 3 since they come in single unit blocks; if you get 2 sets you end up with 1 that is technically "spare"
Got that multiple of three though if you bought Indomitus and one of these, I imagine that will be quite common amongst Necron people.
JWBS wrote: Get up early on preorder day would be my advice, I haven't seen any such promise for these (some said they weren't even coming until the announcement a week ago)
I don't understand this advice. Why aren't you guys preordering through your local indy stores?
Imagine assume everyone has access to one of those.
GW is really putting the pinch of scalpers. Stuff like Dominion, or even Octarius, are simply not selling out that fast, if at all. I saw a large FLGS blow out Indomitus last black friday for barely above cost.
It really depends how much GW makes and also how much demand there is. IF GW's makes "too much" and demand is too low to take it all off the market fast, then scalpers suffer; if GW makes too little then scalpers pick up profits.
IT's a very hard line to walk for GW because different armies can sell at different rates, sometimes almost randomly. Plus over the last 2 years all of GW's numbers got inflated and changed and mess around. Right now sales for their stuff is not just based on internal aspects (power, balance, model quality, army popularity) but also a lot of external factors which can have strange impacts. Eg lockdowns which spike sales; etc
JWBS wrote: I reiterate, these boxes are great for beginners and experienced collectors alike.
Wrong. SM one is gak from multiple standpoints. If you're new player who wants to play new hotness, Black Templars, 90% of the box is useless to you. You only will really use AI and BG. Maybe a vehicle, but it doesn't really gel with chapter tactic so it's meh filler. If you want to play anything else, AI will be completely useless, eating most of discount, because they have no transport, no delivery mode, no buffing characters, want completely different game plan and chapter rules than the whole rest of the army, and are one mediocre melee unit that will accomplish absolutely nothing on the battlefield before opponent laughs and blasts it to bits as it crawls towards them.
Not to mention both new and old players already have lots of them from starters and more AI is about last thing they need. That's why I said Infiltrators or Reivers would be better, they look cooler, want the same traits as the rest of the Battleforce, have delivery mode, and do something. Literally the only use for AI is to convert a few into Intercessors and Bladeguard using spare bits from both kits, but you don't get many of these so even that is of little value. Hell, I suspect they were put here solely to get rid of them because few sane people would buy AI box when starter ones are vastly cheaper and have the exact same options (and the chapters who like choppy units have better options and even BT, last chapter that could really use them, has better boxes now, sooo...)
GW reselling is a time honoured tradition at this point. The scarcity angle is pretty new, I don't remember so much FOMO / hard to get / limited stuff back in the day, but people have been making a living or at least supplementing their incomes by reselling GW product for literal decades now. Personally I can't really blame them, if it's their best time spent to money earned option, but then again I've also never felt liked I've missed out on anything I wanted due to this practice (Indomitus was a close call I missed the first wave but ofcGW remedied that situation).
JWBS wrote: I reiterate, these boxes are great for beginners and experienced collectors alike.
Wrong. SM one is gak from multiple standpoints. If you're new player who wants to play new hotness, Black Templars, 90% of the box is useless to you. You only will really use AI and BG. Maybe a vehicle, but it doesn't really gel with chapter tactic so it's meh filler. If you want to play anything else, AI will be completely useless, eating most of discount, because they have no transport, no delivery mode, no buffing characters, want completely different game plan and chapter rules than the whole rest of the army, and are one mediocre melee unit that will accomplish absolutely nothing on the battlefield before opponent laughs and blasts it to bits as it crawls towards them.
Not to mention both new and old players already have lots of them from starters and more AI is about last thing they need. That's why I said Infiltrators or Reivers would be better, they look cooler, want the same traits as the rest of the Battleforce, have delivery mode, and do something. Literally the only use for AI is to convert a few into Intercessors and Bladeguard using spare bits from both kits, but you don't get many of these so even that is of little value. Hell, I suspect they were put here solely to get rid of them because few sane people would buy AI box when starter ones are vastly cheaper and have the exact same options (and the chapters who like choppy units have better options and even BT, last chapter that could really use them, has better boxes now, sooo...)
Dude shut up that first bit about BT is completely irrelevant, even the most deranged GW hater isn't expecting this to be a BT box, and the second bit about not having characters or transports is remedied by buying...you guessed it, a couple of characters or transports. I never said this is some sort of magic bullet that will take on all-comers, I said it is a good box for new and existing players. The second bit about making this phobos stuff is just flat out bizarre, that was what they gave us last year and it was almost universally panned. Are Reivers even good units that people take? (I'll answer this rhetorical question for you, no they aren't, and I know that despite not even playing the game). wtf man.
Well, none of those interest me, so I am kind of relieved! The Death Guard one comes the closest but I already have Word Bearers and I don't feel the need to double dip despite the Death Guard being pretty cool in the Siege of Terra books.
All the discussion about how suitable they are as starter armies?
Why?
When is a noob going to get chance to buy something like this at random in a month's time with their christmas money?
We all know they'll be bought out by the whales in a few minutes (maybe hours) of release.
I mean chaosomega already listed about £2000 he was going to drop on them.
Is this really targetted by GW for new players? Or a slight bargain for the whales to stash away.
Overread wrote: In the past some have lasted well into and beyond Christmas - heck there have been some that lasted so long they made it to the next Christmas!
Store ontabletop still have 35 of the KO set from last year
There's a big difference between 'new player' and 'new army'. Quite often boxes like this is what tips people from "I like that faction but don't want to pay full price for another army" to "oh cool ~£100 buys me nearly 1000pts, sold!".
So I was thinking of starting a new Ork army at some point not far down the line....but ive seen a lot of comments on it above about it being a poor box.
Would you really not advise it or is it still decent in terms of models for your money to get started on an Ork army (im not going to be playing in tournaments etc, just v friends at home)
VAYASEN wrote: So I was thinking of starting a new Ork army at some point not far down the line....but ive seen a lot of comments on it above about it being a poor box.
Would you really not advise it or is it still decent in terms of models for your money to get started on an Ork army (im not going to be playing in tournaments etc, just v friends at home)
If I were starting Orks I'd consider getting it for fun games and for the models. Model "power" goes up and down all the time through editions and such. What's trash this week is superpowered next month kind of things.
Internet chatter does tend to steer toward the most tactically sound choices.
Also don't forget before those models even hit the battlefield you'll have hours of fun building and painting them up.
Gimgamgoo wrote: All the discussion about how suitable they are as starter armies?
Why?
When is a noob going to get chance to buy something like this at random in a month's time with their christmas money?
We all know they'll be bought out by the whales in a few minutes (maybe hours) of release.
I mean chaosomega already listed about £2000 he was going to drop on them.
Is this really targetted by GW for new players? Or a slight bargain for the whales to stash away.
It really isn't targeted. GW happily puts things up to sale. The gatekeeping on 'who they're for' is just a weird construct by some posters.
I don't know if they think it will make people not buy them so they can get theirs, or what. But it comes up every year without fail.
VAYASEN wrote: So I was thinking of starting a new Ork army at some point not far down the line....but ive seen a lot of comments on it above about it being a poor box.
Would you really not advise it or is it still decent in terms of models for your money to get started on an Ork army (im not going to be playing in tournaments etc, just v friends at home)
Depends if you like the look of everything in it. It's ~£193.00 worth of models but there's no real focus - the trike is the only vehicle, grots don't really do anything, the SAG isn't amazing... (and you probably want another box or two of Boys to bulk them out / sort out the weapon options)
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Matrindur wrote: Orks:
£30.00 – Deffkilla Wartrike
£22.50 – Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun
£63.00 – 2x New Boyz (I used the Beastsnagga Boyz price here)
£20.00 – Nobz
£12.50 – Gretchin
£45.00 – Ork Jet/Bommer
£193.00
JWBS wrote: Get up early on preorder day would be my advice, I haven't seen any such promise for these (some said they weren't even coming until the announcement a week ago)
I don't understand this advice. Why aren't you guys preordering through your local indy stores? You don't pay shipping, you'll probably get a discount, and (assuming you have a good relationship with the staff) you can put your orders in up front (like now) before its even able to be ordered through the webshop. You'll be ahead of the game, unlike the shmucks who buy everything direct.
Because around these parts GW has screwed over the local stores to the point that they can't guarantee they'll get boxed sets in at all, let alone multiple ones for customers who want one. For me, the closest one generally won't even do it. It took 3 in person trips to the store to get Dominion ordered, and it was only 'probably' over the course of the week and a half until the day before release (because it literally came in Friday's shipment). Of the four stores I can get to in an hour or so, only one does a discount at all, and its barely worth the drive. The last two times I tried to preorder stuff, they couldn't get it. They still have (as far as I know) Indomitus boxed sets, but everything after that has been a nightmare, and the owner complains about the GW rep ghosting him on new products.
Pre-ordering direct from Indy stores just isn't a reliable option.
Granted, getting things direct from GW is slow and laborious these days too, but its often the workable option if its really on the wish list.
Its just odd to hear that. Also in the US, never have an issue, 100 reliability for me. I preorder (i.e. text the shop owner and tell him what I want) the moment a sunday preview is released and am usually the first in line for whatever is coming out as a result. He is johnny on the spot in putting his orders in on time instead of waiting until the deadline to put his orders in, and even if GW allocates his order down (which they usually do) I still can usually get everything I want because, again, first in line. Sometimes they allocate down to 1 box, but oh well, I either find another retailer that has them or if its not limited I wait until they come back around for sale again and get them then.
Depending on GW online sales to get you what you want is perhaps the *least* reliable way of engaging with this hobby, given all the issues people have had over the years with stuff selling out, etc. If your solution is to get up early and wait for the preorders to go live and hope you can complete checkout faster than everyone else, you don't have a reliable source, you have a lottery.
JWBS wrote: Get up early on preorder day would be my advice, I haven't seen any such promise for these (some said they weren't even coming until the announcement a week ago)
I don't understand this advice. Why aren't you guys preordering through your local indy stores?
Imagine assume everyone has access to one of those.
The vast majority out there do, those who don't... eh, its a personal problem. Even then, plenty of discount e-retailers out there for you to keep an eye on and purchase from when preorder windows open. Last year I was still able to order the supposedly super rare, sold-out-in-5-seconds holiday battleforces 2 weeks after the release date without issue from the comfort of my living room for 20% off or better (especially those items that I was able to order from the UK to leverage exchange rates, there are ways around GWs region blocks if you get creative enough.. If your first thought is to go to GWs website to try to get something than you either lack imagination, experience/knowledge, or googling skills (or some combination thereof).
Polonius wrote: GW is really putting the pinch of scalpers. Stuff like Dominion, or even Octarius, are simply not selling out that fast, if at all. I saw a large FLGS blow out Indomitus last black friday for barely above cost.
It's getting harder to make a buck that way.
This is going to backfire spectacularly for GW in the near future. Just you wait. A lot of stores took a bath on Dominion as well as a number of other products released under the made to order/preorder promise policy that they started earlier this year. In one case a local store (also a major online shop) ordered however many copies of Dominion, received their initial shipment of 50 or so copies, sold some amount of them, and then a month later received a shipping notice for the remaining 130+ copies of the box set while they still had at least a dozen still on the shelf. They're practically giving Dominion away as door prizes at events to try to get rid of them. Similar happened with Octarius, etc (not to the same severity because they scaled back their orders since then), but it used to be that they would order up to their allocation because they knew that the supply squeeze meant that they would sell out immediately whether it be in store or online, either as a result of FOMO or just natural demand, now they are more and more only ordering what they think they can sell. Other retailers in the area have taken similar approaches as of late as well. The end result for GW is that theres going to be a decline in sales as their artificially inflated sales bubble begins to deflate.
We all know they'll be bought out by the whales in a few minutes (maybe hours) of release.
I mean chaosomega already listed about £2000 he was going to drop on them.
Absolutely. Been doing this for a long time, I basically collect every faction in the game at this point (40k, not so much for AoS though I collect all of Death, most of Chaos, and about half of destruction - only thing I don't really care for is Order though I do have stormcast), 98% of my purchases are start collectings/combat patrols/battleforces/battleboxes. Very rarely do I go out and buy an individual kit, I'm all about maximizing the number of minis I can get for a dollar. The holiday battleforces are my superbowl.
JWBS wrote: Get up early on preorder day would be my advice, I haven't seen any such promise for these (some said they weren't even coming until the announcement a week ago)
I don't understand this advice. Why aren't you guys preordering through your local indy stores? You don't pay shipping, you'll probably get a discount, and (assuming you have a good relationship with the staff) you can put your orders in up front (like now) before its even able to be ordered through the webshop. You'll be ahead of the game, unlike the shmucks who buy everything direct.
Because around these parts GW has screwed over the local stores to the point that they can't guarantee they'll get boxed sets in at all, let alone multiple ones for customers who want one. For me, the closest one generally won't even do it. It took 3 in person trips to the store to get Dominion ordered, and it was only 'probably' over the course of the week and a half until the day before release (because it literally came in Friday's shipment). Of the four stores I can get to in an hour or so, only one does a discount at all, and its barely worth the drive. The last two times I tried to preorder stuff, they couldn't get it. They still have (as far as I know) Indomitus boxed sets, but everything after that has been a nightmare, and the owner complains about the GW rep ghosting him on new products.
Pre-ordering direct from Indy stores just isn't a reliable option.
Granted, getting things direct from GW is slow and laborious these days too, but its often the workable option if its really on the wish list.
Its just odd to hear that. Also in the US, never have an issue, 100 reliability for me. I preorder (i.e. text the shop owner and tell him what I want) the moment a sunday preview is released and am usually the first in line for whatever is coming out as a result. He is johnny on the spot in putting his orders in on time instead of waiting until the deadline to put his orders in, and even if GW allocates his order down (which they usually do) I still can usually get everything I want because, again, first in line. Sometimes they allocate down to 1 box, but oh well, I either find another retailer that has them or if its not limited I wait until they come back around for sale again and get them then.
Most around here simply won't take risks like that. One still tries, but the GW rep (the one who ghosts the store owner) has been a problem for the last year and a half or so and they don't get what they ask for, or even what they were promised.
The rests are primarily Comic and Magic shops, and GW is a sideline. They won't order specialty product just to have it around, it ties up too much money in stock that doesn't reliably move.
And for preorders, there has been a growing problem getting them, and they don't want to take money and then give it back if it falls through. So they just... don't. The few older stores I know have gotten more and more disgruntled with GW any and they way they handle 'direct only' items and minimum stock levels. Investing in GW product lines is often a bad deal for the smaller stores.
Depending on GW online sales to get you what you want is perhaps the *least* reliable way of engaging with this hobby, given all the issues people have had over the years with stuff selling out, etc. If your solution is to get up early and wait for the preorders to go live and hope you can complete checkout faster than everyone else, you don't have a reliable source, you have a lottery.
I don't disagree, but its the situation at hand. (though getting up early isn't a factor- preorders come in the afternoon). Its less of a lottery and more just something I let pass me by. I made the effort for Dominion, but most of the boxed sets aren't enough. So...I buy less. /shrug
The vast majority out there do, those who don't... eh, its a personal problem. Even then, plenty of discount e-retailers out there for you to keep an eye on and purchase from when preorder windows open. Last year I was still able to order the supposedly super rare, sold-out-in-5-seconds holiday battleforces 2 weeks after the release date without issue from the comfort of my living room for 20% off or better (especially those items that I was able to order from the UK to leverage exchange rates, there are ways around GWs region blocks if you get creative enough.. If your first thought is to go to GWs website to try to get something than you either lack imagination, experience/knowledge, or googling skills (or some combination thereof).
Imagine assuming e-retailers deliver anywhere outside Canada, USA and Europe.
As I play 3rd Ed. 40K and 6th Ed. WFB there really is only 1 boxed set that doesn't wind up with me needing to flip half the damn box to get rid of stuff that doesn't exist in my games. Not worth it, especially for those prices.
The vast majority out there do, those who don't... eh, its a personal problem. Even then, plenty of discount e-retailers out there for you to keep an eye on and purchase from when preorder windows open. Last year I was still able to order the supposedly super rare, sold-out-in-5-seconds holiday battleforces 2 weeks after the release date without issue from the comfort of my living room for 20% off or better (especially those items that I was able to order from the UK to leverage exchange rates, there are ways around GWs region blocks if you get creative enough.. If your first thought is to go to GWs website to try to get something than you either lack imagination, experience/knowledge, or googling skills (or some combination thereof).
Imagine assuming e-retailers deliver anywhere outside Canada, USA and Europe.
>tfw Japan
I actually really like the look of the sisters box (slaanesh mortals ain't bad either), but GW has a tradition of charging about 2-4 times what I'd ever be willing to pay for sisters in Japan, and I feel like this won't be an exception. With a bit of luck it might mean that the bits market will have lots of spares from the slaanesh stuff, which would be fun for my 30k Emperor's Children (if I ever actually get around to making more than 1 of them lol)
I mean, given you don't actually play the games that most of these units are played in, of course they're not going to be worth it to you.
The Sisters box has everything playable in 3rd. Everything. That's the only one that's plausible. The Ork one comes close, and the Marines one would also fit the pistol if I didn't have a rather massive Firstborn army already. I guess I was hoping for more Troops units and a smattering of the other three categories along with some transports. Any deal I look for is through the lens of being able to be used through any edition, and that narrows my purchases.
Just Tony wrote: As I play 3rd Ed. 40K and 6th Ed. WFB there really is only 1 boxed set that doesn't wind up with me needing to flip half the damn box to get rid of stuff that doesn't exist in my games. Not worth it, especially for those prices.
-Marines: This is the only one that I might actually buy. My Ravenwing wouldn't mind a second Storm Speeder, and my Deathwing or even my Space Wolves wouldn't mind some Bladeguard. And I definitely want some Heavy Intercessors for my DA; I don't actually own any currently. The Intercessors and Assault Intercessors are kinda meh for me, but I can make use of them. Ditto for the Captain. It's definitely a solid start to a Marine army for someone starting out with the game, even though little of it is cutting edge competitive.
-Sisters: I play Sisters, but this box is probably a hard pass for me. I simply don't need any of it except for maybe the Sacresants. If Immolators and/or Exorcists were to get a significant points cut, maybe I'd be more inclined. I don't really need more basic Battle Sisters either, or a second Dogmata. I feel like this force would be massively more appealing if, as others have said, one of the vehicles was replaced with another squad or two. I would also have put in a Canoness instead of a Dogmata. As is, there is no HQ in the box, which seems like a no-no as a starter force.
-AdMech: If I was going to start AdMech, I would jump all over this. This set plus a Combat Patrol would likely be a great jumping-off point for the army, especially if you could also track down one or both of the old Start Collecting boxes. Not going to get this myself as I have no plans to start AdMech, but the box definitely gets a thumbs-up from me.
-Death Guard: This box is perhaps the worst of the lot, but that isn't to say it's bad (it's just 6th out of 6 to me). The lack of an HQ makes it a poor jumping-off point for an army (why not just put a Daemon Prince in instead of the two single Plague Marine hero guys?), but if you were to combine this with the Combat Patrol you've probably got a decent core army. I guess there aren't any Death Guard HQ's available in plastic besides Typhus, so they were in a weird spot with this one.
-Necrons: If I played Necrons, I would probably grab this one. It's got a lot of cool stuff in it, even if it's not all top-tier competitive stuff. Again, this plus the Combat Patrol would be a great start to the army, especially if you also had the Necrons halves of the Recruit and Elite edition starters.
-Orks: I actually really like this box, especially for anyone starting the army. 20 of the new Boyz makes a great core, plus some Gretchin and Nobz for variety so the painting doesn't get too stale (so long as you don't mind green, that is! ). The leader choices are decent, too, as the Deffkilla is a fun little unit and the Mek with Shokk Attack Gun is a perennial favorite even if it's not that good. And the Ork flyer kit is one of the coolest in their whole range. Just a great little box, this one. Like basically all the others, it combos well with the Patrol box and those two boxes would be how I would choose to start Orks (if I were going to start my own WAAAGH!, that is).
I'm patiently awaiting the new Maggotkin battletome, and their one special box just revealed makes me happy. Based on the contents, it seems mixing demons and mortals will definitely be welcomed in the new book. It will also round out my collection perfectly.
Just Tony wrote: As I play 3rd Ed. 40K and 6th Ed. WFB there really is only 1 boxed set that doesn't wind up with me needing to flip half the damn box to get rid of stuff that doesn't exist in my games. Not worth it, especially for those prices.
that is an incredibly specific niche.
Once GW makes a new ruleset I like I'll change it up. For now I refuse to play any game I don't enjoy, and I CERTAINLY don't enjoy AOS or modern 40K...
Death is one of my favorite factions in AoS, and a friend recently got me Nagash for my Birthday...so what a nice time for that Bonereaper box to come along. Don't mind if I do!
I want the sister’s and AdMech one.
Haven’t played 40k in many years, but these army boxes consist 100% of the models I want to own anyway.
Does Sister’s army box + Combat patrol make a decent core?
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: I want the sister’s and AdMech one.
Haven’t played 40k in many years, but these army boxes consist 100% of the models I want to own anyway.
Does Sister’s army box + Combat patrol make a decent core?
Somewhat. The combat patrol is mono build (apart from the Rhino) so it kind of makes for a bit wonky squad loadouts. The arco's and Repentia in the patrol are not that useful, but you'll have no problem filling a patrol detachment with these combined, although you'll have too many Elite units. You miss a single HQ for it to be a Battalion detachment. It wouldn't be tournament competitive, but fine for regular matched play games.
Just Tony wrote: Once GW makes a new ruleset I like I'll change it up. For now I refuse to play any game I don't enjoy, and I CERTAINLY don't enjoy AOS or modern 40K...
Nothing wrong with that, it's just weird to claim that boxes have no value when they're for games you admittedly do not play.