Switch Theme:

Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit  [RSS] 

Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 15:47:02


Post by: Vovin


**** MINIATURES ****
Maugan Ra




Shining Spears



Corsair Voidscarred Killteam





Avatar of Khaine




Warlocks



Dark Reapers



Autarch



Rangers


Shroud Runners


Guardians/Storm Guardians


Promo Videos






















**** RULES ****

26.01.2022 further rule leaks from Discord



Stated: much of Moarleaks more subjective statements are from their PoV, so dont take at face value

General
Codex more busted than drukhari before nerfs, so many options

Craftworlds

No Swooping Hawk models
"No warp spider. I insist. *smugmeme*"

Avatar 270 points
Jain Zar 140 points, very strong
Rangers 13ppm
Banshees 18ppm
Guardian defenders 9ppm
Storm guardians 8ppm, can still take fusion guns and flamers
Shining spears 35ppm, 3-6 model units
>"bad" clarified to compared to 8th version and other 9th units

Autarchs "far from" auto-include
Yriel still meh, no major changes
Maugen ra "more of a meme" than a strong unit
3 warlock skyrunners get 1 power
Wraithlords confirmed elite
Rangers have equipment options
Shroudrunners can only take scatter lasers
Fire dragons burning heat being 9" was pre-playtest, might have gone up to 12" (unsure)
Dark reapers can only be 5 man squad (might be typing error?), 150 points, shuriken cannon free, tempest +10 points, exarch powers all bad
Wave Serpents can take shuriken cannon (some concerns due to the cannon not being on profile)

Biel-tan exploding 6's? Response: :smugpepe:
Custom craftworlds wont be the best option now
Cloudstrike and webway strike still exist
Bladestorm limited to after losing a model
Webway portal still bad
Unit leaders can take relics like black templars(?)
CWE has -some- ignore invuln, tau and chaos have a lot more though
Expected competitive units: Banshees/fire dragons/striking scorpions/night spinners/wave serpents and basically all Heavy support units beside dark reapers
Harlequins
Shadowseers can give -1 attack to every enemy unit within 6"
Pivotal roles now points
One pivotal role is 3d6 discard lowest charge with a free deepstrike
Solitaires have pivotal roles, but no relics or warlord traits, "hit like potato"
Only one harlequin weapon strat is interesting
-2 to move and no overwatch is still a thing. Cost 20 tho'.


Ynnari
Yncarne 250 points
Yvraine "playable" but not competitive
Visarch costs 95, extremely good, ignores invulns

Corsairs
10 points base for corsair troops
Reavers and voidreavers corsair units

Again from the Aeldari Discord

25.01.2022 Fire Dragon Exarch power


24.01.2022 Avatar picture


23.01.2022 Weapons, Vehicle upgrades, Corsairs
The strikes Aeldari Discord again:




Spirit Stone: double Wound count for degrading profiles
Star Engines: +3'' to movement
Vectored Engine: once per battle during Command Phase activate vectored engine to give the tank Battle Focus ability
Crystal Targeting Matrix: ignore any or all modifiers to the hit roll
Serpent Shield: 5++ and ignores woundrolls of 1,2,3

Additonal rules:
Spoiler:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/914888436115189811/934574092353404958/20220122_225624.png?width=845&height=609New Masque Rules
Cool things. One is a transhuman on hit rolls for units more than 12" away and advance and shoot. Can't do it with transport anymore tho'
One is +1 attack and +2 to consolidation.
One is fight on death in melee.

Wave serpents will be meta. Very strong.
(Wave Serpent Image)

Shining Spears Stats
S+3 on charge, AP4 dmg 2 for basic weapons. Won't say more. Don't want to make GW too angry.

Custom Craftworld
Will be custom craftworlds subs like currently. Some traits are pretty good.

Harlequin Solitaire
Keep his 3++. No changes beside the fact he can't take relics. Very bad sadly. Like the current version :/

Falcon Drop Pod - Deepstrike Turn 1 ? Can transported unit exit and shoot/attack same turn ?
Turn 2

Pivotal Roles : Points or CP?
Points

Heavy Weapon Platforms, weapons changed?
No meaningfull changes beside dmg d6+2

Wraithlord Datasheet
D3+3, make 2 hit rolls profile
-1 damage

Codex Release?
Codex might be a bit late sadly.
March?
Maybe not this late. End of february probably.

Corsairs Limited to be taken?
No limitation. Tho' they aren't very good. I'll send you the datasheet if Serrato say Ave Imperator again.

Harlequin/Ynnari list building?
If full Harlequins you get luck of the laughing god.
If mixed, craftworld you get one Harlie patrol and don't loose strand of fate.

No idea how this mess will work with new CA tho

Goblet or barrel for Space Marine tears?
Important question. Think more about tau. You're their perfect counter.

Warp Spiders???
No new spiders planned this year


22.01.2022 Banshees, Wraithblades, Avatar



18.01.2022 Harlequins
again, from the Aeldari Discord:

General:
>Codex expected mid-late Feb, followed by Renegade Knights in march and Chaos April
>In addition at least three brand new units will be released in 2023 not aspects (new not the ones we're getting this year corsairs, and quin unit hint)
>>Space Marine codex 2 Electric Blugaloo within 6 months. No Necron v2 intended
>>>New Redemptor variant, new models, new supplements

Craftworlds
War walkers still in codex - datasheet later
Wraithlords Elites
Warlock Skyrunners don't gain additional powers from more models in the unit (Moarleaks checking to confirm to confirm)

Harlequins:
Troupe Master datasheet revealed showing huge amounts of weapon info
>Choreographer of war gives reroll 1 on wound aura
>Different harlequin weapons now give special keywords to the model/unit
>Three abilities with info on another page (core abilities?) Harlequins Panoply, Luck of the Laughing God, Rising Crescendo
>>Luck gives free rerolls
Troupes:
>Still 4++
>Fusion pistol new D6+2, no limit on taking them
>All melee +1S AP2 D2
>Each of their weapons have a related stratagem
>>One will give mortal wounds on 6s (likely kiss)
>>One of the other two will ignore invulns
New Masque system complete with WL trait, relic and Strat
>Can give advance and shoot, as well as attack before removing model in melee
Shuriken Cannon shown on starweaver datasheet (only shown weapon profile)

Corsairs:
>Kill team content, will be revealed soon



15.01.2022 Shining Spear and Wraithguard
From the Aeldari Discord:
Does not have front cover art

Craftworld:
No new phoenix lord models shown in current print version aside maugan ra
No new HQ options
No new units aside from shroudrunners
No extra rules that play with Fate Dice

"Cant tell" information on spiritseers
"no big chances" for psychic powers (low warp charges? Or no big changes to current 8th edition versions? Question was on power ranges and warp charge)

Guardian Defenders can take serpent scale platforms
Rangers are still troops
Rangers have a -1 to hit

Refuses to release warp spider model (no new model or just not showing them?)
Showed Spears. Primarilly white colour scheme with blue detail (colour inversion), model helmetless, shuriken catapult looks more defined
Shinging spears losing 4++
Unsure on how the laser lances have changed will confirm next time
Wraithgude/blades are core, can be resurrected by Ynnari psychic power
Wraithguard profile image shared, see post


Harlequin:
HQs have "pivotal roles"
Troopemaster lost reroll wounds
All harlequin melee weapons have same profile but unique strats, one ignores invuln
Solitaire has same profile and cost, including 3++, but cannot take relics now
A certain harlequin weapon is 3 shot ap1 D2, unspecified (got confused between it and haywire)




12.01.2022 Warlock datasheet & miniature


11.01.2022 Fire Dragon rules

Source: Auspex Tactics

10.01.2022 official Autarch preview
The preview reveals the Warp jump generator and death spinner options.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/10/the-new-autarch-always-has-the-right-tool-for-the-job/
There is also a hint in the last paragraph that Dire Avengers do not get new models.

10.01.2022 Shroud Runner rules confirmation
Auspex Tactics confirmed the pevious rumours of the Shroud Runner rules and put it in a neat format:


09.01.2022 another small rule leak: Jinx, Quicken, Starweavers, new models
Some new info snippets from the Discord. The poster verified the post with a partly image from Maugan Ra:

So. For new models. We have : Maug. Corsairs. Warlock. Shining Spears. Dark reapers.
Night spinner AP-2 dmg 2
D canon d6+2 not d3+3 I was wrong last time
Shuriken canon for harlies now S6 ap1 dmg 2 But 3 shot
Now can't reroll hit rolls against Starweavers and skyweavers
Are relics any good? A lot

Shining Spears pictures? I do. Models are good. Unit is not. Can't show.
Do they lose the 4++? Nope

Also, no more double move and charge. Both in harlies and craftworlds.

And no more -1 to invuls.
So jinx doesn’t work on invuls anymore? Nope
think jinx is now removes invulns - No. -1 to armor save.
Thats’s sad - Don't worry. You have a gak ton of ignore invul and mobility. This codex is busted.

Are corsairs troop and elite? And do they look cool
Very cool. But they are not good.

Exarch traits are very busted at the moment.

Jain zar solid option




07.01.2022 rule leaks
There is a new wave of detailed rules leaks about the Wraithknight, Visarch and Yncarne, Strands of Fate, Harlequin gear and two Secondaries.
Spoiler:
All of this came from the Eldar Discord, just passing it along.

EDIT: Screenshots removed for various reasons, check the Eldar Discord if you want to see them.

Yncarne

Wounds M WS BS S T W A Ld Sv
7+ wounds 12" 2 2 7 7 12 6 10 3+
4-6 9 2 2 6 7 NA 5 10 3+
1-3 6 2 2 5 7 NA 4 10 3+
Swirling void energy | 6", Assault D6, S7, -2AP, D1 | Each time an attach is made with this weapon, the attack automatically hits its target

Sword of Souls (two profiles)

| Piercing Strikes | S+4, -4AP, Dd3+3 | No invun saves can be made against this profile

| Sweeping Blow | S User, -4AP, D1 | Make 2 attacks instead of 1

Abilities

4++ and Halves Damage

Ynnari within 12" ignore modifiers for combat attrition

During deployment, you can set up this model in waiting instead of setting it up on the battlefield. If you do this, then when another unit is destroyed, before removing the last model in that unit, you can set this model up within 1" of that model. If this model is on the battlefield when another unit is destroyed, before removing the last model in that unit, you can remove this model from the battlefield and set it up again within 1" of that model. When this/that model is set up in either of theses ways, it cannot be set up within Engagement range of any enemy models and until the end of the turn, it is not eligible to declare a charge or perform a heroic intervention. (Thanks Garishtech for the transcribe)

Explodes

Visarch (partial)

Sword of Silent Screams | S+2, -4AP, D2 | Each time an attack is made with this weapon, on a wound roll of 4+, invuln saves cannot be made against the attack

Champion of Ynnead: Regains a lost wound if an Aeldari model dies within 6" of this model on a roll of 4+, characters also add 1 to Visarch's attack characteristic

Way of the Blade (AURA): Friendly Ynnari Core within 6" can re roll a hit roll of 1 for shooting and melee

Warden of Yvraine: If your army is battle forced, if a detachment includes Ynvraine, this mode can be included in that Detachment without taking up a battlefield role slot. While a friendly Yvraine model is within 3" of this model, that Yvraine model cannot be selected as the target of ranged attacks.

Harelquin's Panoply

(Datasheet ability)

Models in this unit have a 4+ Invuln

Each time this unit makes a normal move, advance, falls back or makes a charge move, until that move is finished, models in this unit can move horizontally through models and terrain features (they cannot finish a move on top of another model or its base).

Each time a melee attack is made against this unit, subtract 1 from the attack's hit roll.

Strands of Fate

(Datasheet ability)

If every unit from your army has the Asuryani keyword and is drawn from the same Craftworld (excluding Anhrathe (Corsairs) or Unaligned), then at the start of each battle round, you can make a Strands of Fate roll. To do so, roll six D6. You can then retain the number of these dice depending on the size of battle you are playing. (4 for Strike force)

Value Roll
1 Advance
2 Charge
3 Psychic test
4 Hit
5 Wound
6 Save
Before making a roll of any of the types shown above for a unit with the Strands of Fate ability, if any of your retained dice have a result corresponding with that type of roll (as shown above) and have not been used to manipulate a roll this battle round, you can manipulate that roll. If you do so:

If that type of roll involves one D6 (i.e. a hit roll) do not roll a dice; that roll is treated as an unmodified 6.

If that type of roll involves more than one D6 (i.e. a psychic test) treat one of those dice as an unmodified 6 then roll any other dice and add up the results as normal.

Wrath of Khaine

(Craftworld Secondary)

NO MERCY, NO RESPITE

Progressive Objective

Score 1 VP at the end of the battle round if one or more enemy units were destroyed by a melee attack made by an aspect warrior unit from your army this battle round.

Score 1 VP at the end of the battle round if one or more enemy units were destroyed by a ranged attack made by different Aspect Warrior units from your army this battle round.

Score 2 VP at the end of the battle round if one or more enemy units were destroyed by a melee attack made by an Aspect Warrior unit from your army, and one or more enemy units were destroyed by a ranged attack made by different Aspect Warrior units from your army this battle round.

Weave Veil

(Harlequin Secondary)

WARPCRAFT

Progressive Objective

IF you select this objective, then Shadowseer models from your army can attempt the following psychic action.

WEAVE VOID (Psychic Action - Warp Charge 4)

One Shadowseer model from your army may attempt to perform this psychic action in your psychic phase if it is within 12" of an enemy unit that has not yet been veiled by your army. If this psychic action is successfully completed, select one enemy unit that has not yet been veiled by your army and is within 12" of the Shadowseer model that completed this action. That enemy unit is said to have been veiled by your army, and the warp charge value of this psychic action is increased by 1 for your army for the remainder of the battle.

Score 3 VP each time a unit from your army completes Weave Void.
This summary was on Reddit by SuperSpleef. It was taken from blurry images posted on the same Discord where the advent leaks originated. This makes these rumour fairly reliable, but since they are playtest rules, changes are possible. In addition, these pictures further confirm the advent leaks, which can be found in this post below the wall of pictures.

Sources:
https://discord.com/channels/611993750301835296/914888436115189811
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/rxs060/more_leaks/

31.12.2021 Advent leaks
The following rumours, first posted on Discord, have proven true so far and are now further valideated by images. They are presumably playtest rules, so are subject to change.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/914888436115189811/926461623575642112/Aeldari_40K_Discord_Server_Christmas_Leaks_Calendar_V1.1.pdf
I reccomend reading the pdf since it distinguishes between three different sources, but I have copied the unformatted text below:
Spoiler:
The Book: Ynnari, Craftworlds, Harlequins, and Corsairs will
all be in the book Codex: Aeldari. Codex: Craftworld Ynarri
Harlequins CORSAIRS. The two rumour engines are Aeldari
kits, the disc with hand is part of a ranger upgrade and the
bladed arm is the Avatar.

New models include but not limited to:
Female Autarch w/ Fusion Gun, Mandiblasters
Shining Spears Confirmed plastic Shining Spears
Swooping Hawks
Warp Spiders
Rangers
Phoenix Lord: Baharroth,
Guardians (with upgrade to make them Storm Guardians),
Shroud Runners (Rangers on jetbikes),
Avatar (he’s big – think FW size. He’s based off some artwork
that was done around 3rd edition)

Boxset: New 40k set will come right after Tau, featuring Eldar
vs Chaos. The Eldar side gets the new Rangers, Ranger
jetbikes (shroud runners), and the new female Autarch with
Fusion Gun.
Chaos get Warpsmith (new), Chosen(new), and
Forgefiend(still the same model)
Mentioned that Eldar/Chaos is pretty likely to get a dual
release now because of all the delays

Battlebox (Eldar Vs Chaos) :
- Female Autarch Rangers Ranger jetbikes Warp Smith
Chosen Forgefiend
These are all in a battle box like Jain zar drahzar
- Near the start of the year you'll get a chaos v eldar battle box
which has all your rangers and jetbike rangers

Combat Patrol :
and the new combat patrol has guardians, farseer, jetbikes and
a wraithlord so that's a great start too, just guardians are new

New ranger bikes & Rangers
Shroud Runners, 2 man ranger bikes that have a pregame move, can snipe characters
and a move+shoot+move rule. The bikes are equipped with a
Scatter laser, Ranger on back has a ranger long rifle (now
featuring AP-1). They can get cover and can go up to a 2+ in
cover.
Unit Details:
3-6 Shroud Runners
M WS BS S T W A LD Sv
16 3+ 2+ 3 4 3 2 7 4+
Pre-game move and rangers ignore cover on enemy within 12"
Can have light cover/If in cover additional+1 save
35 points
Also have a MSM ability as well, so you could pretty easily
clear 32" in a single turn.
- The ranger jetbikes have scatter lasers and ranger long rifles
- Scatter lasers buffed to 6 str 6 shots
- dual kit ? Nope, just the ranger bike
- Totally new model A mix of harliquine bike and ranger
Scatter laser and ranger long rifle Looks pretty sweet tbh

Rangers:
- Yup new ranger jetbikes Yup new rangers Yup new Autarch
Most of those rules are right
- Advent Calendar 4 : If I was a betting man I'd say it's a
ranger holding his rifle in one arm holding the "frisby" in the
other
- Frisbee : It's to the new ranger kit It's an upgrade to give
dense cover or negative to charges
- Barbeque is my favourite (**??????**)

Corsairs: Two units: Corsairs/Upgraded Corsairs. The Corsair
team is essentially upgraded guardians, the elite version of the
Corsairs will feature a Warlock in the unit and can upgrade to
carry a wraith gun (Wraithcannon or d-scythe) and add in a
ranger to the unit.
Yriel is now a Corsair lord proper and can lead a full corsair
army (though still locked to Iyanden).
Corsairs are bundled in with Craftworlds now, though have
their own rules for making a corsair detachment
- Corsairs will have a ranger, a warlock in a unit
- It's going to be the eldar kill team
- Corsairs can be built as either troops or elite
- Corsairs have a keyword
- Advent Calendar 7 : Don't want to say it's not a warp spider
but it could be a corsair
- A dude with a wraithcannon is going to be overkill in
killteam
They're not a sub faction per say, more like have an additional
keyword which could be used in a patrol and get a
bonus/Corsairs have a keyword Ynnari is a subfaction
Before anyone gets their hopes up of running corsairs as your
troops choice, they can only be used as your compulsory
battleline role if the whole detachment is corsairs. The only
way to run pure corsairs is Yriel. They can be built as either
troops or elites.

Battle Focus & Psychic Powers: Battle Focus changes to a
free move after shooting for d6 if you haven't advanced or
fallen back for all factions within the book. Protect/Jinx stays
the same but protect can only target CORE.
Battlefocus :
- Battle focus has changed so after you shoot if you didn't fall
back or advance you can then make a d6 move (not into a
transport unless you're a harliquin). Battle focus rumour is
correct.

Ynnari Psychic Powers
Gaze of Ynnead is remaining the same mostly
+1 to wound in melee
6s to hit in melee are auto-wounds
Resurrect d3 CORE infantry
Give a CORE unit a 4++
Mostly, the Craftworld psychic powers have remained the
same (range is increased by double on a cast of 9 now) and
changed very little (just minor updates to bring them in line
with 9th Ed) though no more charging with quicken.
Stratagems & Farseers: Lightning Fast is still -1 to hit and
now 1CP, Fire and Fade is now 2CP, and you can’t F&F into a
transport unless you are Harlequins

Warlocks can double cast with a 1CP strat now

Eldritch storm is a strat, and it’s like orbital bombardment
though it happens in the same turn. You contribute to the blast
in the psychic phase with psychic actions, then at the end of
the phase it goes off dealing a massive amount of mortal
wounds.

Webway Strike also gives exploding 6s to hit on the turn the
unit emerges from the webway.

Farseer :
- There is another 1cp strat which allows farseers to cast a
power after doing the action
- Eldrich Storm : It can do alot of mortals to an army with
little ways to stop it. You don't need to do the action for the
storm to go off, only to empower it. Every farseer can do a
psychic action to boost it
- Pick a point Every unit within 6" takes D3 (+ however many
actions passed) on a 2+ (4+ characters)

Ynnari Strength from Death is now a +1 to hit if you have
taken casualties for a unit, like Our Martyred Lady for Sisters
of Battle.
Ynnari always fights first no matter what.
You can take Dark Eldar units in a Ynnari detachment with
Craftworlds, but for every Dark Eldar unit you take, you must
take a Craftworld unit – like how Deathguard are with their
cultists/poxwalkers.
Scourges and Incubi cost a little more if you take them in a
Ynnari detachment.
- You can mix and match in the new Dex but for every dark
eldar you need one from the same battlefield role in
craftworld.
Scourges and incubii will cost extra per model
- Yup anything can be troops for ynarri that is troops for
craftworld, harlies and deldar
- Ynnari is a subfraction
- Corsairs cannot be ynarri unfortunately Neither can phoenix
lords, avatars, solitaires, nor are any named character without
the ynarri keyword
- They still keep they're own warlord traits, stratergms, relics,
powers, light/dark/Twilight, with a few extra treats thrown in
like roles for all your characters and missions

Craftworlds gains this new miracle dice system like Sisters
called Strands of Fate, but it's more like rolling an amount of
dice equal to the size of the game you are playing at the start
of each round. Points are priced around the same, but better
overall.
You can swap out a dice rolled in the game with a dice rolled
in the Strands of Fate pool and make the result a 6. For
example a roll of 2 is made in a morale test, if you have rolled
a 2 in the Strands of Fate roll you can swap that result of a 2 in
the morale test for a result of 6. Each dice result will be
something you can use a 6 for during the game. So, if you roll
a 2 for instance, you can use a 2 (from the dice pool) to
modify a morale test to a 6.
Strands of Fate :
- Strands of fate You roll an amount of dice each round and
keep a number depending on your battle size. For example a
strike force keeps 4
- Each dice represents an unmodified 6 but in different things
like a 1 rolled is a 6 for advancing whilst a 5 is a wound roll
It works like this Roll six dice at the start of your turn Each
dice rolled means a different thing like "hit" or "charge" You
keep however many you are allowed per game size or bonuses
Let's say you keep three hit dice for example (ie you rolled
three ones) You shoot your reaper squad at a marine squad
You roll 1,1,2,3,3,4 and 6 You then say I'm going to use my
fate dice to turn the two 1's and the 2 into 6's All your shots
now hit and you're out of fate dice this turn
- This is slightly different to what I understand the rule does
So I won't comment about the fate dice anymore
Harlequins get advance and charge, -1 to hit in melee, and get
rerolls depending on battle size.
Can use fire & fade to hop back into transports.

Harlequins:
- Harlequins get adv charge -1 to hit them in combat Luck of
the laughing gon which is a load of rerolls depending on battle
size
- They still keep they're own warlord traits, stratergms, relics,
powers, light/dark/Twilight, with a few extra treats thrown in
like roles for all your characters and missions
Masques are now 3 different traits, light, dark and twilight
Fang Master is no more
Harlequin Fusion spam is gone
Fusion Pistol are D2+D6
Harlequins Troupe weapons are better, and more in line with
the box contents. 5 Fusion Pistols etc are no more.
Harlequins are able to fight on death without use of a
stratagem.

Secondaries are:
Psychic Action on an objective for 3 VP (Warp Charge 4:
going up by 1 each time you complete the action)
Getting 1 VP if an Aspect Warrior kills an enemy unit
Getting 2 VP if you are outside of 6’ of your deployment zone
at the end of the turn/4 if you are within your enemies
deployment zone (if the unit has the Ranger keyword, you
score at the end of your turn instead).
Harlequins get different secondaries from Craftworlds, but
Ynnari and Corsairs will share the secondaries with
Craftworlds. Secondaries are really easy to score
Craftworlds subfactions are all viable now, with most
factions getting some sort of reroll. For example Ulthwe gets
to reroll a wound roll. All factions now include at least 2
bonuses for picking them. Crafters is reroll 1 hit or wound
Alaitoc gets raven guard-like ability for cover that extends to
vehicles\bikes, Ulthwe gets bonuses for psychic powers,
Saim-hann gets bonuses for their windrider/spear units, and
Iyanden wraiths are tanky. Biel-Tan gets a strat for exploding
6s in combat/shooting for aspect warriors. Custom
Craftworlds are still in, featuring exploding 6s for melee or
shooting, adding range to shuriken weaponry, rerolling a hit
roll, etc. Ulthwe/Biel-tan both get a reroll. Biel tan reroll hit,
Ulthwe reroll wound. Saim-Hann with Spears have inbuilt
ways to move over 16 and then charge… Iyanden: +1 to
combat attrition test Reduce ap -1/2 by one (eg -2 becomes-1).
It's a iyanden relic, give spirithost unit +1 attack, if
wraithguard also give battle focus.

Wraithguard/Wraithblades, Wraithknight & Wraithunits:
Wraiths get flat -1D across the board. Confirmed -1D. All
Wraiths receiving - 1D is also correct. Wraithguard can shoot
in melee now. Wraithswords are an additional 2 attacks now
(still D1), and axes are flat D2 with no more -1 to hit.
Forceshield is now like a storm shield, adding 1 to armour
saves and a 4++.
Wraithguard D-Scythes no longer autohit and are now 12"
assault d6 S10, AP-4 D1 blast (wounds of 6 deal 1 mw) and
D-cannons are 18” heavy1 S10, AP-4, d3+3 (wounds of 6 deal
1 mw).
- It's just wraithguard, wraithlord, wraithknight and
wraithfighter which gets the -1 damage
- D sytes are going to 12" range and are going to be daft,
expensive, but daft
- Heavy wraithcannon heavy d3 str16 -4 d3+6 blast 6's to
wound cause d3 mortals in addition Sun cannon heavy 2d6
str8 -3 3 blast
Wraithknight: 5+ invulnerable 4+ with shield, Heavy
wraithcannon heavy d3 str16 -4 d3+6 blast 6's to wound cause
d3 mortals in addition Sun cannon heavy 2d6 str8 -3 3 blast.

Wave Serpent :
Wave Serpent has a 5++ and can only be wounded on a 4+
now.
NEW - You blow the shield and target a unit within 12". That
unit then has -1 to hit till the end of the turn, can't overwatch
or set defend against anything you then charge into it

Autarchs now only give re-rolls to core, but there is a
Stratagem to extend the re-rolls to Vehicle units. Autarchs are
now 5 attacks baseline similar to Archons. Relic\WLT options
can make them monsters in melee, or you can upgrade them to
perform more buffing and utility.
NEW - Give that Autarch mandiblasters and he'll do a few
extra mortals too, I never said he was any good lol

Guardians are now 4+ base instead of a 5+. Shuriken
Catapult is now 18" and AP-1, still Assault 2. Storm
Guardians also get a lighter version of Transhuman, and can't
be wounded on a 1-2. (Upgrade possibly) Aeldari chainblades
are now AP-1, and Storm Guardians get three attacks.
- Shuriken catapult 18" assault 2 -1ap
- You're getting a lovely new guardian box which has both the
defenders and storm in it. Also the platform works for both
squads but not as a gun for the storm
- A serpent shield 5+ inv Only wound on a 3+
- Well catapults will be going to 18" and cannons going to
damage 2 so basic squads are going to be solid
NEW - This strat (blow up shield) also works on the storm
guardians serpent shield
NEW - Storm guardians get a serpent shield (platform) Tho
they only get semi transhuman (1-2 fail)
Guardians are very good value.

Weapons:
Bright lance is still S8, but now D3+3 and AP-4.
Shuriken Cannon now AP-1, D2
Falcon Pulse Laser is now S9 and D3+3
Scatter Laser is 6 S6 AP0 shots
Shuriken weaponry adds -2 to AP if a 6 to Wound is made.
(Shuriken cannon -2 base meaning -4 on a 6?)
New weapon Shuriken rifle 24" rapid fire 1 -1ap
Starcannon: Str7 ap3 D2 you nailed it, still 2 shots
Shuriken Catapults - Longer range, AP1
Shuriken Cannons - AP1, Damage 2, AP3 on 6
D-Cannons are D6+3, mortals on 6+

Phoenix Lords and Aspects
Phoenix Lords get 4++ across
the board. Phoenix lord have a resurrect strat that works once
per Phoenix lord. Just a heads up, there are no new phoenix
lords in the data I've seen.
Aspect Warriors will be getting 5++, +1A, staying at 3+
WS/BS and Exarchs can have a 2+/2+. Aspect Warriors have a
5++

Reapers - Very similar to what they are already

Fast Attack Aspect Warriors:
Warp Spiders spinners are now AP-2 base, no longer gain a
bonus on a 6 to wound. Can get a power to re-deep strike after
shooting anywhere on the board once per game. Warp spiders
move instead of overwatch, and get blast and go up to ap2
base

Swooping Hawks las blasters are S4 base, autowound on 6s to
hit, and their ability to throw grenades deals a MW on a 4+
now but hard capped to once per turn.
- Hawks are great in the next Dex
- they have str 4 guns which auto wound on 6's to hit and the
Grenades mortal wound on 4+ (up to six a turn)

Spears - Much better, more tanky.

Battlefield Roles, Warlocks & Dire Avengers: Warlocks are
moving to Elite and get full smites now instead of Destructor.

Warlocks :
- Nice couple of elite squads you got there (the picture shows
9 warlocks)
- Warlocks are elite slot unless you take a farseer and then they
become a "free" slot
1-6 dudes on foot 1-3 on jetbikes. Just hope you didn't have 10
on jetbikes like me....

Dire Avengers
Dire Avenger are now Elites. Dire Avengers can Bladestorm
with a stratagem – now it’s just a fire twice strat for 1CP.
Avenger Catapult is now 3 shots and AP-2. Shimmershield
gives the unit a 4++, and they have a way to count as obsec via
Exarch powers.
- Avenger catapult 18" assault 3 -2ap
- Wounds of 6's add -2 to ap
Avengers are now Elites - Can shoot and still do a action
Ranger squads are moving from Troops to either Elites or Fast
Attack.
The four troops are storm guardians, defender guardians,
rangers and corsairs Sorry guys
My source says rangers are troops and shroud runners are fast
attack
Comment: Corsairs can't be troops for say, Ulthwe right?
Unless you make a separate detachment for them?
Ok_Entrepreneur3004: Only if it is a separate detachment If
you have three guardians then you can take some corsairs in a
battalion as troops for example

Elite Aspect Warriors:
Banshees gain S4 base, with +1 to wound on the charge, and
-1 to be hit in combat – still ignore overwatch and have
adv+charge. Also makes a unit fight last.
- banshees (Exarch) wounding marines on 2+ is also quite
tasty
- str 4 -4ap swords with +1 to wound (they clarified) on the
charge is quite tasty and a possible 4++ in combat
- Banshees are str4 after the boost from power swords,
scorpions are str 5 after the boost from chain blades
- The Exarch can get +1 to damage
- Force opponent to fight last, +1 A

Scorpions
Scorpions are now S4 base with a +1S Chainsword. Now deal
a MW on an unmodified wound roll of 6. Chainblades are now
AP-1. Exarch biting blade will add additional attacks, and is
now AP -2. Exarch’s Sustained Assault ability is now just
unmodified exploding 6s to hit.
- Scorpions are awesome They don't have a limit on how many
mortal wounds they can make The black Templar litany for
mortal wounds on 6's to wound maxes out at six whilst
scorpions can go higher I expect this to be fixed in the first faq
- Scorpions and hawks are great in the next Dex
- In regards to Scorpion chainsword: The rules I've seen are +2
-1 1 1 additional attack

Dragons :
- The fire dragons only rerolls 1 to wound
- They can with an exarch upgrade auto wound if within 9"
- Str 9 fusion guns with the same range, same shots. Don't
have to be within half range to get the +2 to damage
Fire dragons get str9 always melta rule and d6+2 damage
reroll 1s vs vehicles and battle focus 1d6

Heavy Support:
Night Spinners going to AP-2, with 6s being
AP-4.
Fire Prisms keep multiple profiles for their shooting, but
double shooting is now just baked into the shots. Main profile
going to d3+3, second profile to D2.
Linked fire = Add two shots to the first prism for each other
prism linking fire. Invulns can't be taken for these shots. The
other prisms can't fire their guns after linking fire. Only works
on focused shooting profile.
Wraithseers are getting the -1 to damage in a FAQ shortly after
codex drops.

Falcon :
- Yes bright lance is str 8 but the pulsar is 9
- You're going to like pulse lasers str9 D3+d3
Falcons act like drop pods now too, about 120-140pts
depending on loadout. But you can get out when you
deepstrike them.
Star engines add 3" to your movement Vectored engines
give you a once per battle battle focus move.

Avatar is going to be brutal. 14W and T8 now. Has two attack
profiles, one for S14 and one for S7 (cleaving attack), D6+2
damage on main hits, his ranged attack is like void dragon
necron beam attack. No more FNP, has a 4++, halves damage,
and a fight on death strat. Charge re-roll aura limited to CORE
only. The avatar has a reroll charge for core within 6" in the
new book. No Warlord traits, No Relics. Guardians, Aspects,
Wraithguard/Wraithlord, Windriders, Rangers, Shroud
Runners but not Corsairs are core. Fight after death stratagem.

Kill Team: There’s a kill team box coming up that includes
Eldar Corsairs, and eventually Squats will be a new KT
faction as well – but that’s way later in the pipeline.
Kill team book artwork is the Corsair team e.g. Ranger with
sword, Warlock (Ghostwalker and Voiddreamer respectively).
Additionally Felarch and the Way Seeker. He is also assuming
the opposing force Ka Chaos Legionnaires. Harlequins get a
KT box sometime next year, with a new unit for use in 40k (no
details on it yet)



25.11.2021 FAKE Reddit rumours FAKE
Initially the thread was for a different set of rumours, posted on Reddit. These are now thoroughly debunked:
Spoiler:
There is a batch of new Craftworld rumours in the eldar subreddit.
I think it is fake (one time poster, too far out for this kind of details), but this is at least better made than the usual 1/3 obvious stuff, 1/3 edjucated guess, 1/3 wishlisting troll post. The OP claims that he can provide picture proof and answers question in the thread https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/r1trv3/new_codex_dump. Unlike the previous Aeldari rumours this has a non-zero chance of being true, though still unlikely.

new codex dump

I’ve seen the printed Codex Craftworlds back to back for about half an hour. The good news is this means the release is imminent. I made notes as soon as I was able to, but they are not as complete and in-depth as I would like. My general observation is that there is a heavy focus on jetbikes and aspect warriors. And the models are very HQ centric. There are a lot of rules that trigger on ‘enemy unit within/out x" ‘.

Background: spent not much time on this section. The war zones are immortal sorrows and haranshema. There is art for the splintered Biel Tan and a cave battle against Khornate daemons, marines and chaosy chaotic chaos stuff and tendrils. Another against Krieg where a Saim Hann Avatar cleaves a open-topped bombard baneblade in two and jetbikes cut through guard cavalry. The model section shows a bucket load of new models:

There are new Guardian models, running with elongated back antennas and flowing clothes. Plethora of options: different sleeker rifles, dual pistols in the same style, chainswords. Leader has coat.

New Rangers: harlequinesque hoods, close combat weapons in addition to rifles, elongated antennas

New Striking Scorpions: similar to old models, but greater variance of poses, Exarch’s chainsword is inbuilt in his gauntlet. Leader model has chainsword klaive

Karandras: Slightly crouching on top of ruins. The claw is even smaller than the old version, but the chainsword is massive. The segmentation of the scorpion helm is similar to the drukhari armour style, but the rest is craftworld style with these yellow scorpion bars, except that karandras is in a very dark green and the bars are bone colored. There is a pictures of this miniature and Drazhar next to each other and the arc on the base is a continuation of on of Drazhar’s stone arcs

Asurmen: Similar to the old model, but helmet is more layered-samurai-like and he stands on a huge column with a relief of battling eldar

Dire Avengers leader: one to one 2nd edition cover rendition

Howling banshee: (note by Vovin: he clarified to mean a single Banshee hierarch model) jumping in mid air, cloaked with flowing strips not unlike spectres but horizontally, glaive

New Warp spiders: high heads with multiple eyes. Smaller backpack with web effect. Smaller sleeker weapon, held by two additional mechanical arms. Phoenix Lord has four additional mechanical arms and is held by two of them on a web of wraithbone in a monklike pose

New Vypers: larger jetbike canopy with standard jetbike middle section and rider. rear is split. each side with intake, jet and large wing. In the middle is a ‘gyroscopic harness’ of three halfcircles and a shooter/heavy weapon. There is a variant with wraithbonetendrils held by lightning between the sides instead of the weapon, rider has hammer and blindfold

New Shining Spears: standard jetbikes with underslung smaller canopy that bends on one side upwards to shield the rider, very short wings, but huge hair tail from rear, rider has multilayered plates like water ripples, knightly helmet with huge antlers, laserlances. There is a variant without the additional, upside-down canopy with Guardian helmets, axes, larger wings in the form of the Avatar helmet

Diorama:
vyper and two jetbikes with axes in V formation balances on tree stump, falling leaves with turbulences from the jetbikes makes this very dynamic. The trio is connected with cables and they pull a mini webway portal.

Warlocks, Dire Avengers, Falcons, Wraithguards, Fire Dragons, Swooping Hawks are the same. The latter has a new leader (Hierarch) with a pet bird, though.

There are two Avatar pictures, probably Forgeworld conversions, one with an axe and a blood weeping Horus mask. The other with female chest, burning veil and glaive and stump for the other hand. (note by Vovin: OP has clarified that he doesn't know if they are Forgeworld models, but that they look like it with different details)

(added by Vovin) Craftworld traits
Ulthwe, Alaitoc (additional meditations and can make two terrain features dense), Saim Hann, Iyanden and Yme-Loc! (get exclusively the Expert Crafters trait and -1 dmg for non-aircraft vehicles) get half a page each. 2 pages for built-a-craftworld, Biel Tan has a whole page with a custom Court of The Young King hero hammer HQ-only detachment. Ynnari get almost two pages with their trait (bonus CP for every destroyed unit, capped at three, that can be spent on Command Reroll, Insane Bravery or Counteroffensive in the same round with an addendum when not battleforged that I skipped), a couple of relics, but only a single stratagem (resurrection for 2CP) and a list of drukhari/harlequin models that can be included as mercenaries.

Crusade: all there, but haven’t spent time on it. The same for relics, but vehicle upgrades are now relics for vehicles.

Stratagems: celestial shield and seer council, forwarned are gone, Fire and Fade is still 1CP. There is a new 3CP one that lets all aspect units that have another one in 6” reroll wounds.

4 psychic tables:

runes of destruction (doom, jinx, eldritch storm, drain, mind war, executioner)

runes of war (destructor, flail, protect, horrify, enhance, quicken)

runes of fate (guide, fortune, conceal, forwarning, and two more)

runes of the revenant. (ghostwalk, storm of whispers, shield of ynnead, enliven, word of the phoenix, unbind souls)

No time to read the specific power.

3 tables of warlord traits: aspect, ynnari and generic.

Farseer can be upgraded to high farseer, knows/casts/denies additional power. Autarch upgrade gives them a shrine creed and +2 attacks if enough models in 2”. Hierarchs can become Disciples of Asurmen, giving them a 4++

Objectives are: enemy unit destroyed by attacks of two/three or more friendly units in a turn, enemy characters/monsters killed by own aspect characters and one that gives you VP if the enemy holds one designated objective

Army wide rules

some deployment rules that I skipped sadly

Battle Focus: ignores the first negative shooting modifier and resolves the rest normally

Path of Asuryan: this one is long, complicated and it would be a miracle if I got everything correct or complete. The rules text alone consists of some dense paragraphs and the list of traits is four pages long with a couple of categories. Units can choose traits from a certain category and no trait can be picked twice. But there are lots of exceptions, though. It seems that wraith units put the rule on its head and all units must choose the same trait. When a phoenix lord is part of the detachment, aspect units can take the same trait. Aspects units without an exarch are also exempt. There is a rules text for ynnari, but I can't remember what it was.

There are Lamentations, meditations, shrine creeds and exarch powers.

There is a lamentation that gives a unit deep strike, but there are not that many traits. Meditations are more plentiful. The path of the acrobat gives advance bonus, path of the arbiter, MW on dice roll when wound is mitigated after taking saves, path of the warlock: can take powers from the runes of war. an ynnari only one makes an autarch a level 1 psyker. Path of the Black Guard is Ulthwe only, gives 6” more range. There are many more. this is speculation: I think they represent former path experiences, since some model have rules like: Path of Farseer/Command etc: yaddayadda, in addition, can take up to one meditation. Speaking of which: Path of command is unchanged, but not an army wide rule, but only for the autarch with wings. The autarch on jetbike doesn’t have this and Yriel has Path of the Outcast (deploy after both armies are deployed). But I should stop here. I will describe what I could remember about the datasheets later.

All aspects have three bespoke shrine creeds that are all very powerful and a couple of unaligned ones. Then there are a dozen Exarch powers that are all unaligned, with only one locked for biel tan armies. Scorpions have one creed that lets them advance and charge if movement starts in terrain. Dark reaper shrine creeds: indirect fire with single shot, additional shot within 18", krak shot available and reroll hits on 1. There is one generic that allows to reroll charges. Some exarch powers are simple stat modifiers.

Unit entries:

entries for the Ynnari triumvirate

Farseer: still 2 powers. Witchblade is S+2 AP-2 D2 now. Path of the Farseer: +2 to all psychic tests, two meditations

Solo warlocks and spirit seers can also cast 2 powers, but only deny one. spirit seers draw from revenant runes discipline

Avatar: 14 wounds, different equipment options

Damanhalla: warp spider phoenix lord. all phoenix lords present, all I have seen in detail have 4++, have missed the Karandras profile unfortunately

Hierarchs: 4 separate HQ entries for Striking Scorpions, Swooping Hawks, Howling Banshees and Dire Avengers. Female models except the scorpion. Haven’t found their fluff, so don’t know what exactly they are. But they get three exarch powers and have one attack more than an autarch (5)

Something Swordwind, named Swooping Hawk Hierarch, Biel Tan, just the Hawk Hierarch with a scimitar and a bare head, mohawk and a shooting weapon that is mainly out of picture but has a skull pommel

Asurmen: has two seperate set of rules. Only martial harmony rule is in both, no limitations for shrine creeds. Starts every (own?) turn with an aura, 3++, parry, fallback and do stuff. And can switch when aspect warrior destroys unit or model (don't remember which): +2 attacks, reroll hits and wounds, shoot twice with D3, reroll charge

Fireheart: Saim hann jetbike diorama character, resurrects at start of round unless enemy deals additional damage against dummy. The only picture is in the small datasheet bubble, so not much to see, except that it pulls a molten heart and fire wings and the riders have fiery axes. There are another two unit entries, that are only shown in the datasheet section:

both are a single Wraithguard sized model with avatar-like molten skin, burning shoulders. One is called Embers of Khaine and agonized eldar sized head with flame hair, dagger and blood bowl in hand, loose chains around wrist. melee infantry with high single digit wounds, two or three shrine creeds from any aspects, and exploding 6 melee aura.

anvil of souls, yme-loc specific, same body, but two-handed hammer in hand and no chains. repairs vehicles and deals MW to enemy vehicles

Striking Scorpions: Chainsword: +1 -2 D1, 2 additional attacks. Mandiblaster: in first round of combat: chainswords have +1 damage. I find this very unfluffy.

Warp spiders: flat 12" move, enemy units shot at cannot advance or take actions - the same rule is on other spinner stuff, no CP cost for Fire & Fade

Wraithguard split: Wraithcannon elite, d-scythe troops. d-scythe assault flat6, does need to roll to hit. Can use old D6 auto-hit profile only during overwatch (note by Vovin: OP has stated that wraithcannon has same range, higher S, and causes 3 Mortal Wounds when wounded instead of the normal sequence)

Dire Avenger/Guardians: both 4+ Save, Shuriken catapult Assault 3 18" S4, AP-1, Only Dire Avengers have the AP on 6 rule. Dire Avengers are the only (or the only one I am aware of) that have a baked in shrine creed and can take another: Defend(+1 Sv against attacks from units within 24"

Corsairs: elite infantry, plethora of options, brace of las pistols, lasblaster, melee weapons, deep strike, two traits, lasweapons, including scatterlasers etc. can shoot twice if at least one lasshot of unit hits. Second salvo hits automatically if it is the same target.

Rangers: cannot be targeted by units when no enemy unit is within 18" at all when in terrain. Can shoot twice as long as pathfinder leader lives

Windrider Fireblades: windriders with more attacks and power axes

Vyper: reroll to hits when advanced and moved full

Anvil of Something: wraith, vyper with power fist with MW aura

Wild Rider Host: fast melee unit with 9 wounds and transport capacity for aspect units

Support weapons: troop size flat 1, vibro cannon extra damage against units in terrain

Wave Serpent field is now 5++

No Storm Guardians and Jetbike Conclaves entries if it isn’t hidden as an option somewhere.

The only point costs I remember are wraith knights are now 420 points base and guardians are 9 points

That’s it for now. If you have questions, you can ask. But if I haven’t mentioned something it is likely that I haven’t paid attention and can’t answer. So questions for relic specifics are futile.

Bold formatting by me. I added some of his replies directly into the text.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 15:55:00


Post by: Grimskul


Eldar Corsairs stuff is one of the things that really makes me doubt its legitimacy. GW dumped that like a hot potato from FW and I don't see them incorporating them as part of a larger Craftworld Eldar release. At best, they might have introduced them in a Kill Team set or as some sort of standalone specialist game box.

That and alongside the sheer number of stuff doesn't match what the previous rumourmonger who was correct with pretty much said so far, since he mentions that it is an incomplete reboot for Eldar, and this goes far beyond that.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 16:02:34


Post by: Vovin


I agree with you that it is unlikely.

That and alongside the sheer number of stuff doesn't match what the previous rumourmonger who was correct with pretty much said so far, since he mentions that it is an incomplete reboot for Eldar, and this goes far beyond that.
But this is plainly wrong. There was never any reliable Craftworld rumour batch. Only some wild 4chan rumours that piggybagged on the reliable miniature leak. The only thing in the reliable leak about eldar was, that they get a massive but incomplete update in 2022 and this matches the reddit dump.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 16:35:54


Post by: Sacredroach


A few of those would be sensible changes to bring the fluff into the game...like the Warp Spiders...but yeah, this is mostly wishlist instead of rumor.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 16:41:01


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Believe it when I see it.

Particularly dubious that a Swooping Hawk Exarch is now a ‘Hierarch’.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 16:50:03


Post by: Flinty


But that makes sense though, because swooping hawks are totally higher than the other aspects!!1!1111

(and given recent GW naming conventions this logic is not totally out of the question)


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 16:52:51


Post by: stonehorse


Nice wishlist.

Reality will be a new Codex, Cards, Dice, and if Eldar players are lucky a new Avatar model.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 16:53:44


Post by: Olthannon


Nice bollocks but probably bollocks all the same.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 16:56:32


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Sounds like bs to me.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 16:59:47


Post by: SamusDrake


Quickly zipped through the rumour but found no mention of new Dark Reaper models...




Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 17:06:05


Post by: Tyranid Horde


Yeah, not buying it, but photos could change my mind.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 17:08:49


Post by: tneva82


If that's fake then lots of effort spent...but then again 6th ed core book was faked so fakers certainly aren't affraid of wasting time doing it. So could be either way. Corsair is dubious though


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 17:22:24


Post by: xttz


tneva82 wrote:
If that's fake then lots of effort spent...but then again 6th ed core book was faked so fakers certainly aren't affraid of wasting time doing it. So could be either way. Corsair is dubious though


IIRC that rulebook wasn't intended to be a fake, it was just a set of homebrew rules some group had written up to use themselves. Someone got a copy and thought it would be funny to 'leak' online.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 17:24:25


Post by: Thargrim


The flowing clothes on eldar guardians worries me. I wasn't hoping for much of a redesign, more of a modernization of the current look with better detail. I'm going to call bs on this simply cause I hope it's fake.

And if someone says they can provide picture proof but doesn't follow up you know it's bs 100%.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 17:27:07


Post by: Grimtuff


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Believe it when I see it.

Particularly dubious that a Swooping Hawk Exarch is now a ‘Hierarch’.


They are claiming the Hierarch is a new unit type as Exarches are also mentioned in the post, probably like a SM Lieutenant equivalent. So it would go Exarch->Hierarch->Autarch. FWIW, Hierarchs are not new, they are mentioned (albeit in the DE codex) in Drazhar's background as a rank of Incubi.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 17:30:52


Post by: Kanluwen


 Thargrim wrote:
The flowing clothes on eldar guardians worries me. I wasn't hoping for much of a redesign, more of a modernization of the current look with better detail. I'm going to call bs on this simply cause I hope it's fake.

Flowing cloth would make at least a nice visual distinction to the Guardians and justify their save a bit better IMO.

And if someone says they can provide picture proof but doesn't follow up you know it's bs 100%.

Pretty sure it says they wouldn't have access until the weekend...


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 17:32:27


Post by: Jack Flask


tneva82 wrote:
If that's fake then lots of effort spent...but then again 6th ed core book was faked so fakers certainly aren't affraid of wasting time doing it. So could be either way. Corsair is dubious though


On one hand so much of that like the Corsairs, the Heirarchs, the unique Craftworld specific Wraithguard, and the webway portal being pulled by a Vyper and two Jetbikes seem way too ridiculous to be true, but the more I think about it the more it sounds not totally out of the realm of possibility.

GW recently has been putting out a lot of big diorama units like St. Katherine and Katarkos, they've also been releasing a lot of faction specific and generic characters recently.

And as for Corsairs specifically, just like Orks where they added in "feral Orks" in the form of Beastsnaggas, I could definitely imagine them looking at Corsairs as something new to sell Eldar players that isn't as committal as Exodites.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 18:00:45


Post by: dan2026


The rumour list that has so far been 100% true confirmed new Swooping Hawks.

So I don't believe this.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 18:01:00


Post by: Voss


Right, right.

They got a half-hour of access to the new codex, and after dumping a bunch of it on the internet, they'll get access again this weekend, but this time there will be pictures. Of course.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 18:03:27


Post by: Vovin


 dan2026 wrote:
The rumour list that has so far been 100% true confirmed new Swooping Hawks.

So I don't believe this.
No, it has not. Eldar miniatures were not part of this rumour. This fake news has to die.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 18:08:19


Post by: The Phazer


 dan2026 wrote:
The rumour list that has so far been 100% true confirmed new Swooping Hawks.

So I don't believe this.


I guess tbf it's not out of the question that there's new Swooping Hawks but the old models are pictured in the codex. That's definitely happened before. And the rumour list did not actually mention any specific Eldar.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 18:44:12


Post by: bullyboy


I'm intrigued, mostly because I think GW realizes that current Eldar just don't function well so have to input a whole slew of new stuff to reinvent the line. A lot of it sounds like Lumineth type styles which I can believe.
Not sure, but any picture would be ideal.

The robed guardians actually sound more like the corsair entry (if you check the weapons)


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 19:05:59


Post by: Mentlegen324


That seems like a lot of very specific information to remember after just 30min with the codex....


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 19:06:11


Post by: Kanluwen


Frankly, I'm interested because it puts the Aspects into more of the "Temple" styling they've always been described as.

Additionally some of the things like the unique Saim-Hann biker unit could be replicated using nothing but an upgrade sprue...

Which I find plausible.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 20:00:39


Post by: ceorron


Well let's hope. Eldar really need it.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 20:22:33


Post by: Marshal Loss


Extremely skeptical, given the source, but it's hard to rule anything out these days.

 Vovin wrote:
 dan2026 wrote:
The rumour list that has so far been 100% true confirmed new Swooping Hawks.

So I don't believe this.
No, it has not. Eldar miniatures were not part of this rumour. This fake news has to die.


Yeah, it's been equal parts amusing and frustrating watching that set of rumours mutate and merge with others in such a short period of time.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 21:20:32


Post by: ceorron


 Marshal Loss wrote:
Extremely skeptical, given the source, but it's hard to rule anything out these days.

 Vovin wrote:
 dan2026 wrote:
The rumour list that has so far been 100% true confirmed new Swooping Hawks.

So I don't believe this.
No, it has not. Eldar miniatures were not part of this rumour. This fake news has to die.


Yeah, it's been equal parts amusing and frustrating watching that set of rumours mutate and merge with others in such a short period of time.


What!! You mean we aren't getting all of the aspects made in plastic. A plastic thunderhawk and squiggoth and all of the imperial guard redone in plastic all in the same month.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 21:30:31


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Corsairs: elite infantry, plethora of options, brace of las pistols, lasblaster, melee weapons, deep strike, two traits, lasweapons, including scatterlasers etc. can shoot twice if at least one lasshot of unit hits. Second salvo hits automatically if it is the same target.
And it was precisely here where I stopped believing these rumours...


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 21:38:39


Post by: silverstu


It would be nice if it was true but I doubt it- too much information for starters. The one thing absolutely coming for Eldar is a plastic avatar - its appeared in the Rumour Engine pics..

But you never know..


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 22:19:49


Post by: Kanluwen


 silverstu wrote:
It would be nice if it was true but I doubt it- too much information for starters. The one thing absolutely coming for Eldar is a plastic avatar - its appeared in the Rumour Engine pics..

But you never know..

Nah. There's at least one more thing, and that's Rangers...or Corsairs/Guardians.


And before someone says "THAT'S TAU!"...no, it isn't. Soulstones and five fingers.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 22:38:54


Post by: silverstu


 Kanluwen wrote:
 silverstu wrote:
It would be nice if it was true but I doubt it- too much information for starters. The one thing absolutely coming for Eldar is a plastic avatar - its appeared in the Rumour Engine pics..

But you never know..

Nah. There's at least one more thing, and that's Rangers...or Corsairs/Guardians.


And before someone says "THAT'S TAU!"...no, it isn't. Soulstones and five fingers.


Yeah that looked like a detail shot from a Killteam set - which I did think looks like new guardians rather than rangers. Someone on Bolter also counted the kits listed and compared them to other big updates like Sisters and its about the same. A big eldar release in January could happen after Tau to kick start the year. I was expecting Chaos first though due to the detail in the verified rumour list as well as GW name checking chaos a month or so ago.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 22:53:06


Post by: xttz


 silverstu wrote:
A big eldar release in January could happen after Tau to kick start the year. I was expecting Chaos first though due to the detail in the verified rumour list as well as GW name checking chaos a month or so ago.


I've been expecting to see Eldar before Chaos after reading "There are more xenos expansions planned in early 2022" a few weeks ago. That was before GSC were postponed, so it implies there's some form of Xenos release soon after Tau.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 23:03:29


Post by: Hellebore


a lot of this looks sensible to my position on what the eldar should be, which makes me cynical about whether it's true or not.

On the other hand there has been a lot of creative development in other armies and AoS that have invented new units and re envisaged old units in new ways, so it's possible they're doing this.

I'm definitely on board for a senior exarch position, squad sergeant exarchs are lame and have been since they were retconned in 3rd...


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/25 23:36:44


Post by: silverstu


 xttz wrote:
 silverstu wrote:
A big eldar release in January could happen after Tau to kick start the year. I was expecting Chaos first though due to the detail in the verified rumour list as well as GW name checking chaos a month or so ago.


I've been expecting to see Eldar before Chaos after reading "There are more xenos expansions planned in early 2022" a few weeks ago. That was before GSC were postponed, so it implies there's some form of Xenos release soon after Tau.


Oh I missed that! That makes it sound more plausible for a codex to be in someone's hands this early.

I agree with @hellebore -it makes Eldar sound interesting again [from model point of view] and does fit into the development patterns for Necrons and Orks. But yeah if its too good to be true it generally is so I'm a bit wary..but I'd love to see this and it would tempt me back to them. Although the prospect of squats as well next year ...


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 00:36:42


Post by: bullyboy


There is no way that a codex would show the FW avatar. If accurate I could see the kit making 2 versions.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 00:45:07


Post by: Mentlegen324


Maybe I just don't know enough about Eldar lore, but how could there be a Female Avatar of Khaine? The way it's worded there suggests it's an Avatar of Khaine rather than an avatar for a different god like The Yncarne is.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 00:45:36


Post by: Platuan4th


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Corsairs: elite infantry, plethora of options, brace of las pistols, lasblaster, melee weapons, deep strike, two traits, lasweapons, including scatterlasers etc. can shoot twice if at least one lasshot of unit hits. Second salvo hits automatically if it is the same target.
And it was precisely here where I stopped believing these rumours...


Not the "Pictures of Avatars that are probably conversions of the FW model"? GW doesn't do that in books anymore.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 00:49:28


Post by: Kanluwen


 Platuan4th wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Corsairs: elite infantry, plethora of options, brace of las pistols, lasblaster, melee weapons, deep strike, two traits, lasweapons, including scatterlasers etc. can shoot twice if at least one lasshot of unit hits. Second salvo hits automatically if it is the same target.
And it was precisely here where I stopped believing these rumours...


Not the "Pictures of Avatars that are probably conversions of the FW model"? GW doesn't do that in books anymore.

There's literally a converted Black Templar Ancient in the BT book that is the only thing that was wrong in the BT rumor drop.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 00:51:22


Post by: Voss


 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Maybe I just don't know enough about Eldar lore, but how could there be a Female Avatar of Khaine?


The eldar who made the statue gave it female attributes? Its just a temporarily occupied vessel after they sacrifice someone, so it doesn't really matter what it looks like.
Some craftworlds could have an Avatar that's dragonfly-shaped for all we know.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 00:53:55


Post by: Platuan4th


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Corsairs: elite infantry, plethora of options, brace of las pistols, lasblaster, melee weapons, deep strike, two traits, lasweapons, including scatterlasers etc. can shoot twice if at least one lasshot of unit hits. Second salvo hits automatically if it is the same target.
And it was precisely here where I stopped believing these rumours...


Not the "Pictures of Avatars that are probably conversions of the FW model"? GW doesn't do that in books anymore.

There's literally a converted Black Templar Ancient in the BT book that is the only thing that was wrong in the BT rumor drop.


Yes, a conversion of a mainline GW model.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 01:08:22


Post by: Gadzilla666


I'll believe this when the Reddit poster shows those pictures, and they don’t look like fakes. But even if it's real, that doesn't mean CWE are coming before CSM, much less in January. They'd already be teasing it if it was that close. Those supposed leaks for Wraithguard D-Cannons sounds like something gw would do though: "Hey! You know what everyone misses? D-Weapon spam! Yeah, more MWs is what 40k needs!".



Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 01:10:06


Post by: KidCthulhu


Voss wrote:
 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Maybe I just don't know enough about Eldar lore, but how could there be a Female Avatar of Khaine?


The eldar who made the statue gave it female attributes? Its just a temporarily occupied vessel after they sacrifice someone, so it doesn't really matter what it looks like.
Some craftworlds could have an Avatar that's dragonfly-shaped for all we know.


It may be an Avatar, but not of Khaine. Note the missing hand (instead of a bloody hand). Sounds like Morai-Heg...

In Aeldari myth she sought to partake of the wisdom contained in her divine blood. She manipulated Khaela Mensha Khaine to cut off her hand so that she might drink deep of her own vitae. It was the fingers of this lost hand that were fashioned into the Croneswords that now offer hope of an Aeldari resurgence to the Ynnari.

The fact that the OP said, "I saw a female Avatar missing a hand, might be a conversion" instead of going, "Bruh, it's a dual kit that makes Khaine or Morai-Heg!1!!11!" leads me to think there might be a grain of truth. I can't see someone with that knowledge of the lore pretending to be ignorant of it while making fake rumors.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 01:17:57


Post by: bullyboy


 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I'll believe this when the Reddit poster shows those pictures, and they don’t look like fakes. But even if it's real, that doesn't mean CWE are coming before CSM, much less in January. They'd already be teasing it if it was that close. Those supposed leaks for Wraithguard D-Cannons sounds like something gw would do though: "Hey! You know what everyone misses? D-Weapon spam! Yeah, more MWs is what 40k needs!".



It's exactly what the DA Dark Talon Rift Cannon does now. BS 3+ D3 shots. S12. If it wounds the target it automatically causes 3MW and the attack sequence ends.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 01:32:30


Post by: Gadzilla666


 bullyboy wrote:
 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I'll believe this when the Reddit poster shows those pictures, and they don’t look like fakes. But even if it's real, that doesn't mean CWE are coming before CSM, much less in January. They'd already be teasing it if it was that close. Those supposed leaks for Wraithguard D-Cannons sounds like something gw would do though: "Hey! You know what everyone misses? D-Weapon spam! Yeah, more MWs is what 40k needs!".



It's exactly what the DA Dark Talon Rift Cannon does now. BS 3+ D3 shots. S12. If it wounds the target it automatically causes 3MW and the attack sequence ends.

Yeah, but those don't come in squads of up to 10 models. No point worrying about it until we know if this is a fake or not though.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 01:32:48


Post by: Rinkydink


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Corsairs: elite infantry, plethora of options, brace of las pistols, lasblaster, melee weapons, deep strike, two traits, lasweapons, including scatterlasers etc. can shoot twice if at least one lasshot of unit hits. Second salvo hits automatically if it is the same target.
And it was precisely here where I stopped believing these rumours...


I do have to agree with you here H.B.M.C. The only thing that makes me 95% and not 100% doubtful is that with all the wacky rules and mulitple options, maybe they could be the Eldar entry into Kill team a la Krieg and Kommando's. That's the kernel of hope I cling to...


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 01:33:46


Post by: GaroRobe


We do have an avatar of Khaine looking bit teased in a rumor engine. But for all we know, it could very easily be for Daughters of Khaine in AOS :/


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 01:34:19


Post by: Orlanth


 Kanluwen wrote:

Nah. There's at least one more thing, and that's Rangers...or Corsairs/Guardians.


And before someone says "THAT'S TAU!"...no, it isn't. Soulstones and five fingers.


That looks like a control console hoverdisk for a weapons platform, either support one or Guardian one. It makes sense for the control deck to float too.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 01:42:05


Post by: GaroRobe


Hahahahaha. Our mysterious rumor bringer apparently isn't too fond of our forum:

"Having said that, there are some very toxic corners, for example dakkadakka's News and Rumours forum is a cesspit, not to speak of some of the ovetly <redacted> (past) Youtube channels and facebook groups."

Also:



Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 01:52:09


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Poor baby. His rumours sound like a wishlist, and he got an amazing amount of detail down despite starting saying that he didn't have long with the book.

Let's see if those pictures actually materialise, or if we'll get a "I wasn't able to make it back to take pictures!" excuse or a "Everyone was mean to me, so you're not getting any pictures!" excuse.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 01:53:56


Post by: Platuan4th


 GaroRobe wrote:
Hahahahaha. Our mysterious rumor bringer apparently isn't too fond of our forum:

"Having said that, there are some very toxic corners, for example dakkadakka's News and Rumours forum is a cesspit, not to speak of some of the ovetly <redacted> (past) Youtube channels and facebook groups."


Translation: I posted bogus rumors there once and was called out for my BS instead of blindly praised like I wanted.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 02:05:01


Post by: Gadzilla666


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Poor baby. His rumours sound like a wishlist, and he got an amazing amount of detail down despite starting saying that he didn't have long with the book.

Let's see if those pictures actually materialise, or if we'll get a "I wasn't able to make it back to take pictures!" excuse or a "Everyone was mean to me, so you're not getting any pictures!" excuse.

I'm betting on: "The dog ate the codex".


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 02:21:52


Post by: Voss


 Gadzilla666 wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Poor baby. His rumours sound like a wishlist, and he got an amazing amount of detail down despite starting saying that he didn't have long with the book.

Let's see if those pictures actually materialise, or if we'll get a "I wasn't able to make it back to take pictures!" excuse or a "Everyone was mean to me, so you're not getting any pictures!" excuse.

I'm betting on: "The dog ate the codex".


The potato cam was lost in the great sewage collapse.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 08:37:55


Post by: DreadfullyHopeful


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Believe it when I see it.

Particularly dubious that a Swooping Hawk Exarch is now a ‘Hierarch’.


Obviously. The best name for a Swooping Hawk Exarch is already taken: "Aviarch"


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 09:05:08


Post by: Joyboozer


 Kanluwen wrote:
 silverstu wrote:
It would be nice if it was true but I doubt it- too much information for starters. The one thing absolutely coming for Eldar is a plastic avatar - its appeared in the Rumour Engine pics..

But you never know..

Nah. There's at least one more thing, and that's Rangers...or Corsairs/Guardians.


And before someone says "THAT'S TAU!"...no, it isn't. Soulstones and five fingers.

4 fingers, 1 thumb.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 09:23:56


Post by: silverstu


 KidCthulhu wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Maybe I just don't know enough about Eldar lore, but how could there be a Female Avatar of Khaine?


The eldar who made the statue gave it female attributes? Its just a temporarily occupied vessel after they sacrifice someone, so it doesn't really matter what it looks like.
Some craftworlds could have an Avatar that's dragonfly-shaped for all we know.


It may be an Avatar, but not of Khaine. Note the missing hand (instead of a bloody hand). Sounds like Morai-Heg...

In Aeldari myth she sought to partake of the wisdom contained in her divine blood. She manipulated Khaela Mensha Khaine to cut off her hand so that she might drink deep of her own vitae. It was the fingers of this lost hand that were fashioned into the Croneswords that now offer hope of an Aeldari resurgence to the Ynnari.

The fact that the OP said, "I saw a female Avatar missing a hand, might be a conversion" instead of going, "Bruh, it's a dual kit that makes Khaine or Morai-Heg!1!!11!" leads me to think there might be a grain of truth. I can't see someone with that knowledge of the lore pretending to be ignorant of it while making fake rumors.


Yeah I do remember Jes mentioning that when they were doing the Ynnari they thought about what if there are other avatars of other gods. So this could be it. Plus fits the multiple build big demon box. I wonder if the Horus masked face is an avatar Asuryan [sp] ? There was hints of other gods returning too.. The Light of Asuryan on Iyanden relighting for example..

I'm not surprised he didn't like the reaction here - its not exactly cosy for new rumours. I want to believe because it all sounds great but ive been burned before by leaks.
Also the Corsairs could be the replacement for storm guardians or could just use similar weapons in a guardian/stormguardian/corsair box.
Will wait and see..


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 09:32:35


Post by: xttz


 Rinkydink wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Corsairs: elite infantry, plethora of options, brace of las pistols, lasblaster, melee weapons, deep strike, two traits, lasweapons, including scatterlasers etc. can shoot twice if at least one lasshot of unit hits. Second salvo hits automatically if it is the same target.
And it was precisely here where I stopped believing these rumours...


I do have to agree with you here H.B.M.C. The only thing that makes me 95% and not 100% doubtful is that with all the wacky rules and mulitple options, maybe they could be the Eldar entry into Kill team a la Krieg and Kommando's. That's the kernel of hope I cling to...


Corsairs aside, I think this list is fairly plausible so far as it's what I'd expect GW to come up with for Eldar. Refreshes older kits while still adding new stuff.

But I'm not convinced until some proof shows up. Other wishlisty rumours with similar content show up anonymously everyday and don't get posted. The only reason this one has gained any traction is the sheer volume of details that's been written (and probably because a few people really want it to be true).

 GaroRobe wrote:
Hahahahaha. Our mysterious rumor bringer apparently isn't too fond of our forum:

"Having said that, there are some very toxic corners, for example dakkadakka's News and Rumours forum is a cesspit, not to speak of some of the ovetly <redacted> (past) Youtube channels and facebook groups."


To be fair, he may have a point when one of the recent News and Rumour hot topics is about an Arch video


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 09:59:51


Post by: Jack Flask


 Platuan4th wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Corsairs: elite infantry, plethora of options, brace of las pistols, lasblaster, melee weapons, deep strike, two traits, lasweapons, including scatterlasers etc. can shoot twice if at least one lasshot of unit hits. Second salvo hits automatically if it is the same target.
And it was precisely here where I stopped believing these rumours...


Not the "Pictures of Avatars that are probably conversions of the FW model"? GW doesn't do that in books anymore.


This is the single doubt that people keep listing, which I find the least compelling.

Over the last couple years GW has updated all of the Greater Daemons to be larger and stylistically resemble the much better Forge World versions that released after the old metals.

If GW were to release a "large but ultimately incomplete" range update of Eldar, the absolute first kit I'd expect would be the Avatar. And I'd assume it'd look very similar to the current Forge World one. Which is what "look like conversions of the FW model" just reads like to me.

Plus a Khaine/Morag Heg dual kit that someone above suggested would match the recent Greater Daemon kits which all built two distinct characters.

All that being said, I very much expect this weekend to close with the Redditor posting "my friend said I can't take photos because it'll blow his cover."

Or maybe this will all be Procreate 2: Aeldari Boogaloo


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 10:15:04


Post by: Lord Perversor


Quick reminder there was someone that made a Female Avatar of Khaine for a Golden Demon entry and GW it's fond of recover old staff conversions like the Mcvey catachan sarge (and i think that person joined the GW staff sortly after )


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 10:40:13


Post by: Togusa


 bullyboy wrote:
There is no way that a codex would show the FW avatar. If accurate I could see the kit making 2 versions.


Male/Female Kaine actually makes me incredibly interested in this rumor. I hope it comes true.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 11:00:19


Post by: Apple fox


It’s too good, I don’t want to get my hopes up.

But I think it’s kinda plausible at this point, at least for some things. And possible they just mix stuff up.

I am sure the models will be fine, but the rules that’s much more important to me right now. No point getting hopes up until I know it’s even worth playing the game with Eldar again.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 11:17:36


Post by: silverstu


 Togusa wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
There is no way that a codex would show the FW avatar. If accurate I could see the kit making 2 versions.


Male/Female Kaine actually makes me incredibly interested in this rumor. I hope it comes true.


Yeah actually that part - an avatar of Morag-Heg makes it more likely to me. A large Avatar kit giving multiple builds of different gods/as[ects of Khaine would mirror the greater demon kits and let GW sell multiples. It all sounds exactly what eldar need, the Hierarch type seems to be. return to the second ed Exarch. In fact it all seems to be very 2nd ed flavour and could bring back the Eldritch side of the Eldar which, to me, is much needed.

Hopefully we get some confirmation - even just a few potato cam shots or something [I actually wouldn't want a full spoiler ]. But the thing is previous big, detailed rumour dumps have just been wish listing/trolling - been burned before!


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 11:33:01


Post by: xttz


The original reddit post & account have now been deleted, so I'm not holding my breath for any proof.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 11:40:41


Post by: Vovin


 xttz wrote:
The original reddit post & account have now been deleted, so I'm not holding my breath for any proof.
So no picture proof.
This lowers the probability of this being genuine from successfully making a 12" charge to a 13" charge.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 11:46:37


Post by: Argive


Skeptical.

Would be nice if most of its true.
God knows it might help me with motivation. Cant remembrr lats time I picked up a brush :(


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 12:27:03


Post by: silverstu


Yeah shame.. could be copying B&C post or could be getting heat from whoever showed them the codex if it is true. GW would go ballistic if they backed up that rumour with images as well -would spoil a massive preview release if it is true.
I hope it is- would give Eldar a real boost model wise. Not holding my breath though..


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 12:59:36


Post by: bullyboy


The area that gives some tiny bit of plausibility is the description of new kits. If Eldar are getting a huge range update, GW would never just replace old kits with new ones, that's not their way. They'd inject the line with lots of new kits to attract old and new customers alike.
Regardless, Eldar are my 2022 project with no budget for the new kits.
Based on what they did with the Lumineth, I'm very optimistic about what we're going to see.

Now, do I finish the 3 Vypers that I've had in boxes for years? lol


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 13:16:33


Post by: Mentlegen324


Deleted the rumour before posting the proof he said he could get. Suggests it's a fake.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 13:19:16


Post by: a_typical_hero


Way too detailed to be "I could look at some notes for a few minutes" and not detailed enough to have an actual copy.

If any of this comes true, it is by chance.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 14:15:21


Post by: Vovin


a_typical_hero wrote:
Way too detailed to be "I could look at some notes for a few minutes" and not detailed enough to have an actual copy.

If any of this comes true, it is by chance.
Yeah, it is fake. But for different reasons.

The redditor claimed to have seen the codex for 30 minutes and made notes immediately after the session. If somebody would give me an unreleased codex for an army that I or someone in my gaming groups plays, I would be able to extract way more details. Minus points costs and irrelevant relics/stratagems it would be almost complete.
The one thing that seems fishy, though, is, that he remembers the names of the psychic power verbatim. This seems odd.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 17:01:23


Post by: KidCthulhu


 Vovin wrote:
The one thing that seems fishy, though, is, that he remembers the names of the psychic power verbatim. This seems odd.


To play Daemon's Advocate a minute, some players focus on different things. Back when Games Day was in Baltimore, I remember getting to look at an unreleased codex or army book as a preview for a few minutes. I was focusing on the photos of the models while my friend was more focused on the rules. OP could just be an Eldar player who's used to playing Psyker heavy and that's what they paid more attention to.

It's just a theory...


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 17:56:09


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


whereas i don't have any feel for whether this is a real leak or not

i could well see somebody in one of the playtesting teams showing off to a friend by letting them see a copy of a forthcoming codex (check it out bro, isn't this cool, they're totally listening to our suggestions),

but NOT allowing the friend to photograph it (WTF dude, GW mark these so they'll know it was me that leaked it if they see a photo, no i don't know what bit the mark is hidden in so no photos)

so while it may or may not be real, not having photos to go with it isn't a deal breaker


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 18:00:52


Post by: Platuan4th


What this guy is suggesting he saw with full pictures and everything doesn't sound like any playtest document I've ever seen.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 18:05:58


Post by: Da Boss


The name of the warp spider exarch seems like a corruption of the Irish Gaelic word for 'spider' which is pretty on the nose. But then GW did pretty much take gaelic festival names wholesale for several craftworlds.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 18:12:21


Post by: Olthannon


I think part of the problem is people just don't think GW don't have it in them to do something this good. The Eldar need this and it would be brilliant for the faction. I'd pay a delicious wad of cashino for a taste of it.

I think the smart thing to do would be to do something with a different Craftworld now that Biel-Tan is buggered.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/26 19:23:25


Post by: xttz


 Da Boss wrote:
The name of the warp spider exarch seems like a corruption of the Irish Gaelic word for 'spider' which is pretty on the nose. But then GW did pretty much take gaelic festival names wholesale for several craftworlds.


That, and Ferrus Manus

 Olthannon wrote:
I think the smart thing to do would be to do something with a different Craftworld now that Biel-Tan is buggered.


With Aspect Warriors being the most likely new models in any Eldar update I could still see a focus on Biel-Tan, especially when they're heavily intertwined with the initial Ynnari fluff. Being virtually wiped out didn't stop Blood Angels getting new content afterall...


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 00:22:58


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 xttz wrote:
The original reddit post & account have now been deleted, so I'm not holding my breath for any proof.
Yeah just saw that.

We were never getting any pictures...


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 00:49:39


Post by: Voss


 Platuan4th wrote:
What this guy is suggesting he saw with full pictures and everything doesn't sound like any playtest document I've ever seen.


Well, he actually claimed it was the full printed codex:
I’ve seen the printed Codex Craftworlds back to back for about half an hour


But that just makes it less likely.
Now maybe GW secretly does 'advanced reader's copies' (like real publishers do for editing and reviews), but I've never seen anyone suggest that before. But its the only thing I could think of that would strike a layman as a 'printed Codex.'


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 01:49:44


Post by: GaroRobe


The real question is why not post at least one photo and then the rumor dump?

Like he said he was willing to share photos, right?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 02:58:15


Post by: Theophony


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 xttz wrote:
The original reddit post & account have now been deleted, so I'm not holding my breath for any proof.
Yeah just saw that.

We were never getting any pictures...


I’m sure he was just about to upload the pics when the ground underneath him opened up and he and all the pallets of codex, miniatures and molds were swallowed by the sewage pipe break.

Poor Honest Leaker.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 08:30:33


Post by: Olthannon


Maybe the real Eldar codex was the friends we made along the way.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 08:58:13


Post by: Jack Flask


 GaroRobe wrote:
The real question is why not post at least one photo and then the rumor dump?

Like he said he was willing to share photos, right?


Yeah, I think that is the largest red flag beyond any of the content in the rumor.

Usually the rumormonger "can't post pics for risk of outing themselves or their friends". So the fact that this anonymous poster would offer that is suspicious to start.

However, if we wanted to play devil's advocate, the current 100% accurate rumor was posted on B&C only to be removed shortly after due to it "receiving too much attention".


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 11:06:52


Post by: silverstu


Assuming it was a troll/faked, its a shame because it actually sounded exactly like what Eldar need. A refresh with added depth, I liked the other avatars, the Fireheart diorama, the sound of new guardians/corsairs and the dual build shining spears as the new level of exarch.
I'm not convinced the GW will go beyond reworking the classic units. Although I'm betting the Avatar will be based on the classic MG artwork form the second edition codex. Hopefully I'm underestimating GW, or the guy is genuine and had to take it down after his mate with the codex found out he had leaked it. Because if it was legit that guy would have been in big trouble with GW. [also aren't codex printed 2-3 months in advance of release? The codex existing is entirely possible]


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 12:26:25


Post by: Kanluwen


 GaroRobe wrote:
The real question is why not post at least one photo and then the rumor dump?

Like he said he was willing to share photos, right?

It's possible that the individual was located in a link of the distribution chain where they dispose of damaged or defective product before warehousing things for general sale.

Or that it's tied to a translation/localization job.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 15:17:33


Post by: warpedpig


I just spent 15$ and got the raging heroes patreon for November and downloaded an entire range refresh for Eldar. Tired of waiting for GW. Just gonna print a bunch of new badass proxy models. GW is a joke. Just waiting for the new rules but I won’t be buying any of their models. Overpriced


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 19:38:18


Post by: Platuan4th


Voss wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
What this guy is suggesting he saw with full pictures and everything doesn't sound like any playtest document I've ever seen.


Well, he actually claimed it was the full printed codex:
I’ve seen the printed Codex Craftworlds back to back for about half an hour


But that just makes it less likely.
Now maybe GW secretly does 'advanced reader's copies' (like real publishers do for editing and reviews), but I've never seen anyone suggest that before. But its the only thing I could think of that would strike a layman as a 'printed Codex.'


Yeah, I saw that. That was kind of my point. Playtesters don't receive a "full printed codex" before it's released and definitely not before the book has even been announced.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 19:52:08


Post by: ScarletRose


It's funny how we ended up with 3 pages because of a "my uncle who works at Nintendo said..." post on Reddit.



Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 20:15:04


Post by: Kanluwen


 ScarletRose wrote:
It's funny how we ended up with 3 pages because of a "my uncle who works at Nintendo said..." post on Reddit.


We ended up with around triple that for a super secret squirrel "leak" that has so far been almost 100% accurate, so...things do happen.

For what it's worth, this is what Valrak commented on B&C about these rumors:
Valrak wrote:From what I know.



New Rangers

New Jetbikes with two people on them with cloaks

New HQ with a Melta Gun



Everything else in here could be true but I only trust certain sources.


Another person commented that the new Aeldari stuff(the Ranger jetbikes, Rangers, and a female Autarch with the meltagun) would be coming in a battlebox with the new Chaos Warpsmith, Chosen, and a non-new Forgefiend/Maulerfiend kit "early 2022".

Same person went on to comment that there's a Combat Patrol Aeldari set coming then featuring new Guardians, Jetbikes, Farseer, and a Wraithlord.

Kill Team, purportedly, is going to be a Corsairs set with a Warlock and Outcast/Ranger in it.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 20:59:59


Post by: Dysartes


Given how recently they were done, I have a hard time believing anyone saying Guardian Jetbikes (or the Farseer/Warlock on Jetbike) are getting replaced.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 21:03:46


Post by: Kanluwen


 Dysartes wrote:
Given how recently they were done, I have a hard time believing anyone saying Guardian Jetbikes (or the Farseer/Warlock on Jetbike) are getting replaced.

For clarity's sake:

It's just the Guardians that are new in the rumored Combat Patrol set. Like how the Start Collecting Gravelords for AoS has the new Wight King.

Descriptions given of the "Ranger Jetbike" are that it's two-seats, like the Harlequin one.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 21:05:18


Post by: xttz


 Dysartes wrote:
Given how recently they were done, I have a hard time believing anyone saying Guardian Jetbikes (or the Farseer/Warlock on Jetbike) are getting replaced.


I don't think any rumour said that. New two-man jetbikes sounds they're like replacing Vypers, whose current model is still from 1997(?)


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 21:10:55


Post by: Old-Four-Arms



For comparison's sake, the original Dark Eldar minis were released in 1998.

Taking that into consideration, I'd be very happy to see the Vyper get a facelift.

New Guardians however would be at the top of my Craftworld Eldar wishlist..


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/11/27 21:34:23


Post by: Kanluwen


For what it's worth, it has sounded like there's A Plan to bring in a new Vyper too, just down the road.

There's been some murmurings about GW wanting to ensure that all the Aeldari factions(Drukhari, Craftworlders, and Harlequins) have 3 "classes" of Jetbikes:
A Venom/Starweaver/Vyper equivalent.
A Skyweaver equivalent.
A Guardian/Reaver Jetbike equivalent.

Would add a little bit of wiggle-room for new units to be added that way without crowding out everyone.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/01 00:33:11


Post by: Kennizard


New claim on the subreddit, now a new rumor monger is allegedly going to make daily leak posts in advent calendar format on the "Aeldari warhammer 40k" discord channel.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/01 00:37:45


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I bet his dad works for Nintendo.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/01 02:19:35


Post by: Kennizard


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I bet his dad works for Nintendo.



Lol, definitely. And his dad at nintendo worked with a bloke whose room mate worked at a GW store one summer and told him everything. Honestly though all these over the top "leaks" keep getting upvoted there, I dont get it.




Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/01 03:37:52


Post by: DreadfullyHopeful


 Kennizard wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I bet his dad works for Nintendo.



Lol, definitely. And his dad at nintendo worked with a bloke whose room mate worked at a GW store one summer and told him everything. Honestly though all these over the top "leaks" keep getting upvoted there, I dont get it.




Everyone likes to dream ? I guess ?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/01 20:52:37


Post by: clodax66


looks like there is some update on advent rumour leeks

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/r6dd8b/day_1_of_the_eldar_xmas_leak_calendar/

A quick edit I forgot to mention the next rumour release will be at 9:00 AM GMT


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 05:32:36


Post by: Pael


Wouldn't it be cool if it was a kit that let you make guardians or corsiars?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 06:23:15


Post by: Tiberius501


 clodax66 wrote:
looks like there is some update on advent rumour leeks

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/r6dd8b/day_1_of_the_eldar_xmas_leak_calendar/

A quick edit I forgot to mention the next rumour release will be at 9:00 AM GMT


So is that roughly 2 and a half hours? Intrigued to see.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 09:10:07


Post by: xttz





Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 09:15:09


Post by: H.B.M.C.


All unverifiable, and with a nice "this could all change" get-out-of-rumour-free card.

I think I speak for everyone when I say:

"Pics or GTFO!"


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 09:36:10


Post by: Vovin


This is so obviously fake. Just a summary of some of the other rumours, especially of the very Valrak-specific Autarch with fusiongun.
The disclaimer is laughable especially as it refers to the reddit hoax and doesn't even get this right. GW designs and plans the models first. The rules come afterwards. If there is a model, than there are rules for it - no sudden dropping of unit entries. This is just hetching his bets.

The redditor claimed to have seen a printed product. Now the Discord hoaxer claims that this was a test print to reconciel it with his set. But this also mean the rules from the Discord channel are based on playtest rules, but this doesn't give him insight into model releases.

Most damning is that Bõñkïñg Cäräcäl, the Discord user who posts this advent crap, was very enamored with the reddit hoax. When this was debunbed when the redditor pulled a "delete my account before I have to provide the promised pictures" stunt, BK got his own leak within a couple of hours and prepared a advent calendar.

Here is the timeline of the chat:
[CM] AKA Bõñkïñg Cäräcäl — 11/26/2021 1:45 PM
If it's a troll what they needed was an in depth knowledge of the faction and releases so far and essentially made up an entire codex themselves, then they have written it in such a way that they have seen it and are trying to remember it
Which is crazy
It's too good if it's a troll
And I love it either way

[CM] AKA Bõñkïñg Cäräcäl — 11/26/2021 2:48 PM
They didn't they were misrembering loads of stuff
Which is why it seems realistic

<<<<alleged conversation about custodes with leaker>>>> 11/26/2021 4:19 PM

[YA] Farseer Dripziel — 11/26/2021 4:42 PM
(posts that the reddit leak was deleted)

[CM] AKA Bõñkïñg Cäräcäl — 11/26/2021 6:44 PM
@Serrato, Former Server Owner
(Screenshot of Google Docs Page/Word count)

Serrato, Former Server Owner — 11/26/2021 6:46 PM
no seriously is that the lenght of your Xmas Leak ? xD

[CM] AKA Bõñkïñg Cäräcäl — 11/26/2021 6:46 PM
Perhaps
(Meme)

[CM] AKA Bõñkïñg Cäräcäl — 11/26/2021 11:48 PM
december first is soon
(Meme)

[CM] AKA Bõñkïñg Cäräcäl — 11/27/2021 4:04 PM
We have new set of leaks coming out through December
It's going to be an advent calendar type thing

[CM] AKA Bõñkïñg Cäräcäl — 11/27/2021 4:20PM
someone sent me 4 pages of leaks

Re: that's what you meant with that 4 pages and 1300 words
[CM] AKA Bõñkïñg Cäräcäl — 11/27/2021 4:21 PM
ye i just formatted it all into 24 sections
I think I will reveal what the topic of each day is on the 1st too

Re:as long as you tell me it's less of a fake rumour than that reddit one
[CM] AKA Bõñkïñg Cäräcäl — 11/27/2021
it could all be made up
or some of it
or all rumours have some sort of truth to them


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 09:38:32


Post by: xttz


FWIW the guy posting these in the subreddit says that they're coming from a source sending them privately on Discord, who has a track record of previously correct info on BT, GSC, & Custodes. He also included a screenshot of a message covering details of Custodes stances before the GW article was posted.

Recently, our server admin has been approached by a reliable source with roughly 4 pages of Craftworld Eldar leaks. To celebrate the occasion, we're holding a christmas Leak calendar, with new information every day.


no, don't worry, the guy from last week has nothing to do with these rumours.

They actually come from the same person that predicted the exact Black tempar mini-lineup, as well as the custodes and GSC releases. There will be no pictures, but considering the accuracy of the rumours up until now, it's not unlikely that there's truth to them.

Of course, still always take them with a grain of salt, as you should take all rumours and leaks.


Could still be made up, but if it is someone is going to a lot of effort.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 09:44:09


Post by: Sunny Side Up


Well, if it's still 3+ months before the final print, the book won't be out on sale in 2022 anyways.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 09:56:35


Post by: Vovin


 xttz wrote:
FWIW the guy posting these in the subreddit says that they're coming from a source sending them privately on Discord, who has a track record of previously correct info on BT, GSC, & Custodes. He also included a screenshot of a message covering details of Custodes stances before the GW article was posted..

Yeah. He claims that. But there is no proof. This is just a more elaborate way of saying "My source is totally reliable. I promise!".
The images were posted long after the Custodes Warhammer Community post went live. The timestamp in the image is irrelevant because this is easy to fake.
The Discord user decided that his imaginary source is reliable before the WC article could give him confirmation.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 10:00:27


Post by: Hellebore


 Vovin wrote:
 xttz wrote:
FWIW the guy posting these in the subreddit says that they're coming from a source sending them privately on Discord, who has a track record of previously correct info on BT, GSC, & Custodes. He also included a screenshot of a message covering details of Custodes stances before the GW article was posted..

Yeah. He claims that. But there is no proof. This is just a more elaborate way of saying "My source is totally reliable. I promise!".
The images were posted long after the Custodes Warhammer Community post went live. The timestamp in the image is irrelevant because this is easy to fake.
The Discord user decided that his imaginary source is reliable before the WC article could give him confirmation.


Not that I necessarily believe this guy, but that's how ALL rumour mongers without actual photos work. They ask you to trust them and their proof is just the stuff they've provided.

It's all a popularity and reputation contest - if people don't like you they ignore what you have to say.

I do believe that someone could have gotten info without getting photos as well. But photos are about the only proof - and even then there's been faked photos out there as well...


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 10:12:11


Post by: silverstu


I want to believe but over on Bolter and Chainsword they said the guy that leaked the roadmap got into trouble with GW as they traced the leaseback to him. Doubt he would be leaking stuff again.
Plus I imagine the artwork for the avatar he is talking about is the 2nd ed artwork by Mark Gibbons, didn't come out in 3rd.
But we shall see, I've dismissed other rumours before and been wrong.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 10:15:06


Post by: xttz


IMO the strongest evidence in favour of the leaks isn't the content, it's the fact that GW are doing an Eldar-themed rumour engine at the exact same time. That implies something is imminent.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 10:16:07


Post by: tneva82


 Vovin wrote:
GW designs and plans the models first. The rules come afterwards. If there is a model, than there are rules for it - no sudden dropping of unit entries. This is just hetching his bets.


Mind you just because there's model doesn't mean it will appear next codex. Famous example being eldar jetbikes which were seen in person(in GW convention) decade before they actually got released. They for example got sidelined by new wraithguard models.

But yeah still I call bogus.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 10:22:34


Post by: Vorian


 xttz wrote:
IMO the strongest evidence in favour of the leaks isn't the content, it's the fact that GW are doing an Eldar-themed rumour engine at the exact same time. That implies something is imminent.


We know Eldar are coming, from the actually reliable rumour.

That doesn't detract or support from these leaks because it was known before they came.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 10:23:02


Post by: Sunny Side Up


 xttz wrote:
IMO the strongest evidence in favour of the leaks isn't the content, it's the fact that GW are doing an Eldar-themed rumour engine at the exact same time. That implies something is imminent.


IMO, that is the strongest evidence against it. Seeing GW do an Eldar-themed rumour-engine and Eldar very likely imminent is just the kind of opportunity to jump on the band-waggon with some fantasy-rumours, conjecture, recycling of previous rumors and vague "probably might happen" predictions.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 11:38:25


Post by: Vovin


 Hellebore wrote:
Not that I necessarily believe this guy, but that's how ALL rumour mongers without actual photos work. They ask you to trust them and their proof is just the stuff they've provided.

It's all a popularity and reputation contest - if people don't like you they ignore what you have to say.

I do believe that someone could have gotten info without getting photos as well. But photos are about the only proof - and even then there's been faked photos out there as well...
That's not the point. Of course there are actual leaks without pictures. The roadmap leak is the best example. But if you claim that your info is from playtest rule, you cannot claim to have knowledge about actual model releases, because this info is not contained in a playtest version of a codex. The Discord shitposter did just that.

 xttz wrote:
IMO the strongest evidence in favour of the leaks isn't the content, it's the fact that GW are doing an Eldar-themed rumour engine at the exact same time. That implies something is imminent.
We did know that before due to the roadmap leak.

tneva82 wrote:
Mind you just because there's model doesn't mean it will appear next codex. Famous example being eldar jetbikes which were seen in person(in GW convention) decade before they actually got released. They for example got sidelined by new wraithguard models.
The prototype shown is different from the production model in many subtle ways and the rider torso is obviously quite different. so it was made when Jes redid the Drukhari range, probably to ensure consistency across all Eldar branches. There wasn't a unit entry with scatter lasers for years before the actual models released. And I doubt that there was a unit entry with scatter lasers in the playtest rules that got scrapped last minute.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 11:51:11


Post by: Sunny Side Up


 Hellebore wrote:


Not that I necessarily believe this guy, but that's how ALL rumour mongers without actual photos work. They ask you to trust them and their proof is just the stuff they've provided.

It's all a popularity and reputation contest - if people don't like you they ignore what you have to say.

I do believe that someone could have gotten info without getting photos as well. But photos are about the only proof - and even then there's been faked photos out there as well...



Problem is, people rarely remember the non-sense, and it quickly fades from memory. We've had predicted tyranids releases this year, some crazy 30K plastic starter box, even Squats allegedly this year.

If the stuff doesn't pan out or fails to gain traction of the kind these Eldar things are gaining atm, nothing's lost and people can just spin up another fun rumour for clicks and (these days) discord-members joining.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 12:13:33


Post by: xttz


 Vovin wrote:

 xttz wrote:
IMO the strongest evidence in favour of the leaks isn't the content, it's the fact that GW are doing an Eldar-themed rumour engine at the exact same time. That implies something is imminent.
We did know that before due to the roadmap leak.


The reliable rumour didn't give any specific timescale for Eldar, they could have dropped any time in 2022. A daily rumour engine is usually used for imminent releases (like the 2019 CSM update, or last year's advent engine covering a lot of Q1 2021 stuff).

At the same time, generally speaking any super detailed rumours made several months out usually tend to be bogus. It's only when the release schedule is firmed up at 3-4 months away and the final codex goes to print do leakers typically get accurate details. I'm more inclined to believe rumours about a book being released Feb/March 2022 than about one not coming until the end of 2022 or later.

I'm not taking it as any kind of confirmation, just a positive sign.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 12:18:58


Post by: Vovin


 xttz wrote:

The reliable rumour didn't give any specific timescale for Eldar, they could have dropped any time in 2022. A daily rumour engine is usually used for imminent releases (like the 2019 CSM update, or last year's advent engine covering a lot of Q1 2021 stuff).

At the same time, generally speaking any super detailed rumours made several months out usually tend to be bogus. It's only when the release schedule is firmed up at 3-4 months away and the final codex goes to print do leakers typically get accurate details. I'm more inclined to believe rumours about a book being released Feb/March 2022 than about one not coming until the end of 2022 or later.

I'm not taking it as any kind of confirmation, just a positive sign.
Yes, but there are already Eldar rumour engines.

And what you said about would be true for both the reddit and the discord hoaxes. And both are mutually exclusive (ranger jetbikes, swooping hawks, baharroth, embers of khaine, ...).


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 12:20:38


Post by: Chikout


Valrak just did a video claiming he has seen a female autarch with fusion pistol and starglaive, new rangers and new ranger jetbikes with two riders on each bike.
The only time he's been wrong about this sort of thing is when he thought the black Templar ancient conversion was a new model.
I think there's definitely some fire behind all this smoke.
Valrak said he hasn't seen any other models but that doesn't mean they aren't coming.
He's also heard there will be a chaos Vs Eldar box set but he hasn't seen it personally.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 12:31:37


Post by: Vovin


Chikout wrote:
Valrak just did a video claiming he has seen a female autarch with fusion pistol and starglaive, new rangers and new ranger jetbikes with two riders on each bike.
The only time he's been wrong about this sort of thing is when he thought the black Templar ancient conversion was a new model.
I think there's definitely some fire behind all this smoke.
Valrak said he hasn't seen any other models but that doesn't mean they aren't coming.
He's also heard there will be a chaos Vs Eldar box set but he hasn't seen it personally.

Valrak is only repeating other sources. He has reported on the roadmap leak, the Reddit post and now the Discord post. His track record is exactly as good as these sources, so stellar in the first case, but very very likely pretty dismal in the latter two cases.
The only things that are from a source exclusive to him are the autarch and ranger jetbike bits. He calls this source Alpharius. But these rumour bits are old new. He called the autarch weapon a fusiongun for a long time. So the Discord shitposter took them and incorporated them into his own.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 12:38:58


Post by: Sunny Side Up


Isn't that from the September Rumors?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/px6p3g/consolidating_the_rumors_in_the_sub/


New Units
Jetbike Rangers (Have a pre-game move, feature two rangers - back ranger has a sniper)

New Scouts

New Guardians (New box has both defenders and Storm guardians. Platform works for both squads, but the Storm Guardian one doesn't have a gun?)

Rangers going to plastic

The new scouts to me may be the same exact thing as the Ranger Jetbikes. Those sound pretty similar imo, though, the infiltration rule would be doubled up on as I'm sure Rangers will get that in the new Codex. Any new units are welcome.

Storm Guardian platform sounds... weird. Could be some sort of shield generator or something, or a once per game grav boost thing that gives a unit a free extra normal move or something.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 13:10:51


Post by: Mentlegen324




Isn't this "holding back models" thing wrong? They make the rules for the miniatures, not the other way around. I remember reading before that they operate on a several year timeframe when it comes to designing and releasing new stuff, so Castellan Crowe wasn't "held back" for 2-3 years for some vague unknown reason, that's just how long it takes.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 13:24:00


Post by: Hellebore


Well the calendar now has a jetbike engine so that pretty much confirms Ranger bikers


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 13:34:52


Post by: Albertorius


 Hellebore wrote:
Well the calendar now has a jetbike engine so that pretty much confirms Ranger bikers


Shining Spears don't need an update, then? Ok.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 13:35:59


Post by: xttz


 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Isn't this "holding back models" thing wrong? They make the rules for the miniatures, not the other way around. I remember reading before that they operate on a several year timeframe when it comes to designing and releasing new stuff, so Castellan Crowe wasn't "held back" for 2-3 years for some vague unknown reason, that's just how long it takes.


It's both. Sometimes the painted model seen in official photos is finished quite close to release and put out asap, sometimes it's two or three years before release and waits a while. Things get delayed or rearranged for various reasons, and GW do maintain a pipeline of things in various stages of production and make adjustments on the fly.



Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 13:37:16


Post by: Vovin


 Hellebore wrote:
Well the calendar now has a jetbike engine so that pretty much confirms Ranger bikers
Or an Autarch on bike, or a new vyper, or the improbable vyper diorama, or the jetbikes with axes. Or new warlocks on bikes. Or, or, or...


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 13:43:33


Post by: Andykp


Whether these rumours are true or just guess work there is clearly stuff for eldar coming. The warhammer community stuff shows that. But so much of the Reddit stuff is too good to be true.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 13:49:50


Post by: xttz


 Vovin wrote:
 Hellebore wrote:
Well the calendar now has a jetbike engine so that pretty much confirms Ranger bikers
Or an Autarch on bike, or a new vyper, or the improbable vyper diorama, or the jetbikes with axes. Or new warlocks on bikes. Or, or, or...


Squigs on jetbikes!


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 13:56:12


Post by: Tiberius501


Interesting that these advent engines all have an Eldar style background.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 14:04:20


Post by: Tyranid Horde


 Hellebore wrote:
Well the calendar now has a jetbike engine so that pretty much confirms Ranger bikers


Or shining spears?

Edit: Oops, didn't see the page turnover.

Nice to see we're getting updates at last!


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 15:05:44


Post by: bullyboy


what excites me the most is the prospect of new models/units. You know there is no way GW will just update old models with this big release (hello Necrons), they absolutely will use the opportunity to create new units that all Eldar players will want, while also updating a few of the Aspects.
The reliable leak did state "incomplete" update, which means that there are probably a few older models that won;' get updated. I have yet to hear anything about new Fire Dragons, but I would put solid money on new Warp Spiders and Scorpions simply because each of these featured in the little blurbs in the PA books (which many of those blurbs have already led to new models/units). I'm also expecting the Warp Spider Phoenix Lord (again PA).

I need to finish painting my sisters now because I will be absolutely changing gears (and gunning those jetbike engines) when this lot drops.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 16:04:25


Post by: Crafter91


Imagine the heartbreak if these advent previews turned out to be new Drukhari... nothing to say they couldn't be Harlequins either - the exhaust ports are the same on them all and that pony tail from yesterday could have been just about anything.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 16:50:12


Post by: Grimtuff


 silverstu wrote:
I want to believe but over on Bolter and Chainsword they said the guy that leaked the roadmap got into trouble with GW as they traced the leaseback to him. Doubt he would be leaking stuff again.
Plus I imagine the artwork for the avatar he is talking about is the 2nd ed artwork by Mark Gibbons, didn't come out in 3rd.
But we shall see, I've dismissed other rumours before and been wrong.


FWIW, GW already redid the Avatar based on that artwork- It's what ultimately became the FW one. The original prototype is there on the CCM Wiki, although the base, which is clearly based on the 2nd ed piece never came with the FW model.



Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 17:01:22


Post by: Voss


 Crafter91 wrote:
Imagine the heartbreak if these advent previews turned out to be new Drukhari... nothing to say they couldn't be Harlequins either - the exhaust ports are the same on them all and that pony tail from yesterday could have been just about anything.


Dark eldar already got their one and done release last year. They'll be lucky if they see new models by 2030.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 19:33:00


Post by: silverstu


 Grimtuff wrote:
 silverstu wrote:
I want to believe but over on Bolter and Chainsword they said the guy that leaked the roadmap got into trouble with GW as they traced the leaseback to him. Doubt he would be leaking stuff again.
Plus I imagine the artwork for the avatar he is talking about is the 2nd ed artwork by Mark Gibbons, didn't come out in 3rd.
But we shall see, I've dismissed other rumours before and been wrong.


FWIW, GW already redid the Avatar based on that artwork- It's what ultimately became the FW one. The original prototype is there on the CCM Wiki, although the base, which is clearly based on the 2nd ed piece never came with the FW model.



Thats not the pose at all - I was talking about this image, which is likely given how they've used similar Gibbons artwork for models.



Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 21:42:15


Post by: Grimtuff


I'm quite aware of that, but you can clearly see it is inspired by said artwork by just directing your eyes at the base, like I pointed out.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 21:52:15


Post by: Mentlegen324


 silverstu wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:
 silverstu wrote:
I want to believe but over on Bolter and Chainsword they said the guy that leaked the roadmap got into trouble with GW as they traced the leaseback to him. Doubt he would be leaking stuff again.
Plus I imagine the artwork for the avatar he is talking about is the 2nd ed artwork by Mark Gibbons, didn't come out in 3rd.
But we shall see, I've dismissed other rumours before and been wrong.


FWIW, GW already redid the Avatar based on that artwork- It's what ultimately became the FW one. The original prototype is there on the CCM Wiki, although the base, which is clearly based on the 2nd ed piece never came with the FW model.



Thats not the pose at all - I was talking about this image, which is likely given how they've used similar Gibbons artwork for models.



The model is quite clearly based on that artwork, it's just flipped around.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 22:14:07


Post by: H.B.M.C.


As long as that sword is connected by, at most, the hand, and not the lower arm or the entire arm. I need to use it elsewhere...


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/02 23:56:50


Post by: silverstu


 Grimtuff wrote:
I'm quite aware of that, but you can clearly see it is inspired by said artwork by just directing your eyes at the base, like I pointed out.


Apologies, I missed you emphasising the base, but my point was that they had remade Mephiston and Helbrecht pretty much exactly like the original Gibbons artwork and so they might do the same with the avatar- not just the base but that big pose etc. But yes the one which became the FW avatar [a lovely model] obviously took inspiration from that artwork.

With all the rumour engines and leaks I'm wondering if there might be an Army Box for Eldar in Jan and then a full release later. Valrak has gone from saying he has heard about certain models to now having seen them [Female Autarch, rangers, ranger bikes]. Might be a set?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 00:20:45


Post by: Irbis


Chikout wrote:
The only time he's been wrong about this sort of thing is when he thought the black Templar ancient conversion was a new model.

That wasn't V, that was original leaker. V is mediocre, makes errors 90% of the time, does 10 minute drawn out videos to cover a single line/leak, repeats stuff from wrong sources, yes, sometimes he stumbles on genuine info but it's so rare he literally is new BotLS. Rambling clickbait that offers very little of value. There are semi-reliable leak sources but he is not one of them.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 00:31:38


Post by: Chikout


 Irbis wrote:
Chikout wrote:
The only time he's been wrong about this sort of thing is when he thought the black Templar ancient conversion was a new model.

That wasn't V, that was original leaker. V is mediocre, makes errors 90% of the time, does 10 minute drawn out videos to cover a single line/leak, repeats stuff from wrong sources, yes, sometimes he stumbles on genuine info but it's so rare he literally is new BotLS. Rambling clickbait that offers very little of value. There are semi-reliable leak sources but he is not one of them.


Yeah he does click bait titles (like most Youtuber's) and he shares a lot of rumours that turn out to not be true, but I don't think I've heard him claim to have seen a model and it turn out to be false.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 06:46:29


Post by: Marshal Loss


Yup. Valrak is an airhead and I can't fathom why people enjoy his "content", but he's also very clearly had a source for a while now, so it's worth paying attention to what he claims to have seen.

Dubious about most of these text-based rumours but still, the excitement is contagious - can't wait for 2022. I just hope GW hasn't half-assed this update.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 09:28:30


Post by: Dudeface


Day3:


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 09:37:56


Post by: beast_gts


Has there been a box before where one side had all new stuff?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 09:42:31


Post by: ImAGeek


beast_gts wrote:
Has there been a box before where one side had all new stuff?


Yeah, Ossiarch vs Ogres in Age of Sigmar.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 09:47:19


Post by: Dudeface


beast_gts wrote:
Has there been a box before where one side had all new stuff?


This would be an all new box set minus 1 model though, that hasn't happened that I know of. Weirdly if the forgefiend wasn't the existing kit I'd consider it more believable as being the new shadowspear.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 09:57:38


Post by: endlesswaltz123


beast_gts wrote:
Has there been a box before where one side had all new stuff?


Indomitus side of the marines, mostly on the necrons other than the scarrabs?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 09:59:38


Post by: Dudeface


 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
beast_gts wrote:
Has there been a box before where one side had all new stuff?


Indomitus side of the marines, mostly on the necrons other than the scarrabs?


All of the necrons were new sculpts as well, but given it was an edition launch box it's to be expected. Like I said above, it's weirder that it's all new bar 1 model really.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 10:05:47


Post by: Olthannon


Why ranger jetbikes of all the things?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 10:58:53


Post by: Nevelon


 Olthannon wrote:
Why ranger jetbikes of all the things?


Because we already own dozens of regular jetbikes?

There are a ton of people who will buy new plastic Eldar, just because it’s plastic. I know after the first 2 bad experiences, I swore off finecast. And even if they released kits that I have in metal, I’d still grab them. But there are also people with established collections who will just pass on re-done units, as they already have 3+ units on the shelf. Adding new units to the mix will get money out of these folks.

I’d rather they did something like ranger jetbikes, which is something that I could see easily being in the lore, than inventing a new aspect squad that steps on the toes of one of the classics.

Plus unless they screw it up real bad, ranger jetbikes should look awesome.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 11:27:23


Post by: Dysartes


I'm going to dispute the claimed "two riders on a bike, with the backseat person having a sniper rifle" as looking awesome - that sounds like a ludicrous idea.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 11:43:44


Post by: DreadfullyHopeful


 Dysartes wrote:
I'm going to dispute the claimed "two riders on a bike, with the backseat person having a sniper rifle" as looking awesome - that sounds like a ludicrous idea.


But... and the rule of cool ?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 11:46:20


Post by: Nevelon


 Dysartes wrote:
I'm going to dispute the claimed "two riders on a bike, with the backseat person having a sniper rifle" as looking awesome - that sounds like a ludicrous idea.


Practical? Probably not. Sniper rifles and high speed bikes generally don’t pair well together.

From a real world POV, they would probably use the bikes to cover ground, dismount and sneak up to their targets, survey/snipe, then head back to the bikes to zoom off. But from a 40k gameplay POV, you would end up with rangers who can fly with stupid high movement. If they end up happening, we’ll see what the rules look like.

I’d expect them to be similar to the harlequin skyweavers. Just less clown stuff and more camo cloaks.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 11:49:52


Post by: Mr_Rose


 Dysartes wrote:
I'm going to dispute the claimed "two riders on a bike, with the backseat person having a sniper rifle" as looking awesome - that sounds like a ludicrous idea.

Less sniper rifle, more howdah gun, I think. Not one of the flashier energy weapons but something with solid punch to drop a charging tiger/space marine in their tracks.
If I’m reading the rumours right, these are going to resemble the Harlequin two-player jetbikes more than Vypers so a full on heavy weapon mount isn’t likely.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 12:04:16


Post by: warboss


 silverstu wrote:


Thats not the pose at all - I was talking about this image, which is likely given how they've used similar Gibbons artwork for models.

Spoiler:


That would be a nice look and it's definitely a classic pic well known from 2nd ed just like vampire Mephiston. I hope that whatever pose they choose that's it's not yet another jumping off of a something precariously posed mid strike supported by only by a tippy toe and maybe hair or ribbons of cloth flowing about like they're in wind testing tunnel or cat5 hurricane.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 14:35:06


Post by: Oguhmek


Sniper Bright Lances.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 14:46:58


Post by: Platuan4th


 Oguhmek wrote:
Sniper Bright Lances.


Why not? Marines have sniper lascannons.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 15:24:00


Post by: chaos0xomega


The only precedent for a box like that in recent memory (outside of the obvious launch/starter boxes, which isn't a valid comparison) would be shadowspear. The Ossiarch/Ogor box would be a close second (Ossiarch side was an entirely unreleased faction at that point, so that was the first time those minis and the rules for that faction were available). After that, its Blood of the Phoenix - Craftworlds and Drukhari each got a new character and a new unit in the box, with the rest being older kits. As a general rule these 2 player battleboxes tend to only feature one new mini or unit per side, its rare to see them offering a whole slew of brand new sculpts like what is being described here. Only if you go back to 7th edition do you see anything else truly comparable (like Death Masque or Deathwatch Overkill).

Its entirely possible that this is another Shadowspear-like box, but it seems so unlikely that they would give chaos 2 of those two editions in a row. The Shadowspear box also had a *lot* more content in it than what the contents of this box would seem to describe (and I'm not sure that Rangers, some jetbikes, and an autarch are an even match for a warpsmith, chosen, and a forgefiend).

Also the hedging on this (in the "note") is suspect. If they are releasing a box with both chaos and eldar in it like this, that means the plan was for a dual release from the beginning, its real hard to say that it should be taken with a grain of salt and its extremely unlikely, etc. when the rumor itself implies it to be true.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 15:26:29


Post by: MajorWesJanson


chaos0xomega wrote:
The only precedent for a box like that in recent memory (outside of the obvious launch/starter boxes, which isn't a valid comparison) would be shadowspear. The Ossiarch/Ogor box would be a close second (Ossiarch side was an entirely unreleased faction at that point, so that was the first time those minis and the rules for that faction were available). After that, its Blood of the Phoenix - Craftworlds and Drukhari each got a new character and a new unit in the box, with the rest being older kits. As a general rule these 2 player battleboxes tend to only feature one new mini or unit per side, its rare to see them offering a whole slew of brand new sculpts like what is being described here. Only if you go back to 7th edition do you see anything else truly comparable (like Death Masque or Deathwatch Overkill).

Its entirely possible that this is another Shadowspear-like box, but it seems so unlikely that they would give chaos 2 of those two editions in a row. The Shadowspear box also had a *lot* more content in it than what the contents of this box would seem to describe (and I'm not sure that Rangers, some jetbikes, and an autarch are an even match for a warpsmith, chosen, and a forgefiend).

Also the hedging on this (in the "note") is suspect. If they are releasing a box with both chaos and eldar in it like this, that means the plan was for a dual release from the beginning, its real hard to say that it should be taken with a grain of salt and its extremely unlikely, etc. when the rumor itself implies it to be true.


Or it could be a new combat patrol box, which have been used to introduce multiple new kits in a go, like chaos warriors, or orks


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 15:38:43


Post by: GaroRobe


You know what? I'd take a combat patrol that has nothing but new models.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 16:22:49


Post by: Dudeface


 GaroRobe wrote:
You know what? I'd take a combat patrol that has nothing but new models.


Now those aren't unprecedented.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 16:39:09


Post by: GaroRobe


Dudeface wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
You know what? I'd take a combat patrol that has nothing but new models.


Now those aren't unprecedented.


True. But I'm a huge fan of the Slaves to Darkness SC and Ork Combat patrols (the latter of which had one older model). They're a great compromise between people who prefer the older models (like ork boyz) which are still sold and people who want all new models.

Though, that does imply that the terribly old eldar kits would still be in circulation, which isn't something anybody really wants


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 16:39:41


Post by: chaos0xomega


Combat patrols don't have two factions in them.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 16:43:08


Post by: Dudeface


chaos0xomega wrote:
Combat patrols don't have two factions in them.


They don't but its not unheard of for a battles box to be split out into separate force boxes.

My thoughts are that the forgefiend either isn't a forgefiend or is a push fit version maybe, then this ends up being a new shadowspear (if accurate).


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 17:35:13


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


chaos0xomega wrote:
Combat patrols don't have two factions in them.


No but Shadowspear was split into two Combat Patrol boxes after relase.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 19:26:17


Post by: bullyboy


 Dysartes wrote:
I'm going to dispute the claimed "two riders on a bike, with the backseat person having a sniper rifle" as looking awesome - that sounds like a ludicrous idea.



Right, becauae that one chick in the Mandalorian who had the sniper rifle and jetbike was such a terrible idea.

Pretty sure a certain GSC model does have a similar thing going.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 19:46:17


Post by: Platuan4th


 bullyboy wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
I'm going to dispute the claimed "two riders on a bike, with the backseat person having a sniper rifle" as looking awesome - that sounds like a ludicrous idea.



Right, becauae that one chick in the Mandalorian who had the sniper rifle and jetbike was such a terrible idea.

Pretty sure a certain GSC model does have a similar thing going.


Both of which are single people using it to reposition which is not how these are being described by the people who supposedly saw then


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/03 21:57:50


Post by: H.B.M.C.


chaos0xomega wrote:
The only precedent for a box like that in recent memory (outside of the obvious launch/starter boxes, which isn't a valid comparison) would be shadowspear. The Ossiarch/Ogor box would be a close second (Ossiarch side was an entirely unreleased faction at that point, so that was the first time those minis and the rules for that faction were available).
Make sure to factor in the 'GW' of it all: Their only consistency is there inconsistency.

They change horses mid-race so often that picking patterns is often a fool's errand.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 09:59:49


Post by: Cosmic Schwung




Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 14:52:44


Post by: The Red Hobbit


I'm a little surprised that the infantry known for stealth and concealment are being put on a jetbike.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 15:07:25


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 The Red Hobbit wrote:
I'm a little surprised that the infantry known for stealth and concealment are being put on a jetbike.


After GW gave the Mehreens a Stealth Dreadnought, nothing will suprise me.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 15:08:47


Post by: Dudeface


 The Red Hobbit wrote:
I'm a little surprised that the infantry known for stealth and concealment are being put on a jetbike.


It happens a lot tbh, GSC sneaky sneak on quad bikes, marine scouts are super stealthy on bikes, primaris infiltrators are stealthy they say? Bang one in a dreadnought!


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 15:30:55


Post by: stonehorse


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 The Red Hobbit wrote:
I'm a little surprised that the infantry known for stealth and concealment are being put on a jetbike.


After GW gave the Mehreens a Stealth Dreadnought, nothing will suprise me.


A stealth dreadnought with several 50 cal machine guns.

So much stealth, so much sneeking, so much wow!


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 15:35:14


Post by: Tiberius501


A jet bike is fast and discreet. It makes sense on a level larger than the table size lol, when they want to move to new positions quickly for reconnaissance or to outrun enemies who are nearing them, etc. But yeah on the table it doesn’t make a huge amount of sense.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 15:53:47


Post by: Galas


Yeah I mean Star Wars Imperial Scouts also had jetbikes.

A jetbike makes much more sense for a fast redeploying scout unit than a normal bike.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 16:21:55


Post by: Dysartes


Just to be clear, Rangers on Jetbikes I don't really mind - Rangers on tandem jetbikes, with the person riding pillion firing a sniper rifle while they move is where I have issues.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 16:33:06


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


 Dysartes wrote:
Just to be clear, Rangers on Jetbikes I don't really mind - Rangers on tandem jetbikes, with the person riding pillion firing a sniper rifle while they move is where I have issues.


Maybe they don’t fire while moving?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 16:38:48


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
Just to be clear, Rangers on Jetbikes I don't really mind - Rangers on tandem jetbikes, with the person riding pillion firing a sniper rifle while they move is where I have issues.


Maybe they don’t fire while moving?


Then what's the point of a tandem? If they don't fire and drive at the same time, then why have a crew of two?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 16:47:58


Post by: Vorian


They are super sniper space elves. Of course they fire on the move.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 17:06:39


Post by: bullyboy


There's a series of movies where this elf fella is really good at shooting a bow accurately while running, jumping, sliding etc. It kinda showed the ability of elves to be quick and do what other species have to do while stationary. Can't remember anyone really being annoyed with it? Go figure.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 17:10:10


Post by: Albertorius


 bullyboy wrote:
There's a series of movies where this elf fella is really good at shooting a bow accurately while running, jumping, sliding etc. It kinda showed the ability of elves to be quick and do what other species have to do while stationary. Can't remember anyone really being annoyed with it? Go figure.


Oh I do remember. Particularly when doing things like sliding downstairs with a shield, or a mumak and all. I do remember many people stating "that's fething stupid".

That threshold varies from people to people. Go figure.

I'd personally prefer a Vyper, myself, which is basically already a fast sniper.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 17:28:00


Post by: bullyboy


 Albertorius wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
There's a series of movies where this elf fella is really good at shooting a bow accurately while running, jumping, sliding etc. It kinda showed the ability of elves to be quick and do what other species have to do while stationary. Can't remember anyone really being annoyed with it? Go figure.


Oh I do remember. Particularly when doing things like sliding downstairs with a shield, or a mumak and all. I do remember many people stating "that's fething stupid".

That threshold varies from people to people. Go figure.

I'd personally prefer a Vyper, myself, which is basically already a fast sniper.


well, there are those people who will literally bitch and whine about everything, can't avoid that. Fun people to be around too


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 17:30:54


Post by: Dysartes


 bullyboy wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
There's a series of movies where this elf fella is really good at shooting a bow accurately while running, jumping, sliding etc. It kinda showed the ability of elves to be quick and do what other species have to do while stationary. Can't remember anyone really being annoyed with it? Go figure.


Oh I do remember. Particularly when doing things like sliding downstairs with a shield, or a mumak and all. I do remember many people stating "that's fething stupid".

That threshold varies from people to people. Go figure.

I'd personally prefer a Vyper, myself, which is basically already a fast sniper.


well, there are those people who will literally bitch and whine about everything, can't avoid that. Fun people to be around too

"My example was found to be flawed, therefore the people who found the flaws must be the problem..."


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 18:20:57


Post by: Galas


I mean Eldar are supposed to be moving so fast that you cannot even see them in recordings unless you slow down.

And of course a sniper rifle is not the same as a Eldar raider full of kabalites high on all kind of drugs blasting their automatic poisoned weapons. But they also had heavier weapons that other armies needed to be stationary to shoot and they could shoot while advancing no problem.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 18:39:20


Post by: bullyboy


 Dysartes wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
There's a series of movies where this elf fella is really good at shooting a bow accurately while running, jumping, sliding etc. It kinda showed the ability of elves to be quick and do what other species have to do while stationary. Can't remember anyone really being annoyed with it? Go figure.


Oh I do remember. Particularly when doing things like sliding downstairs with a shield, or a mumak and all. I do remember many people stating "that's fething stupid".

That threshold varies from people to people. Go figure.

I'd personally prefer a Vyper, myself, which is basically already a fast sniper.


well, there are those people who will literally bitch and whine about everything, can't avoid that. Fun people to be around too

"My example was found to be flawed, therefore the people who found the flaws must be the problem..."


If the shoe fits. I mean, with everything in 40K that just defies logic, apparently an eldar sniper on the back of a jetbike just tips the scales, eh?
But there are those types that will just complain about every little aspect of a movie/game that they find unrealistic, and yes, they are not fun to be with at parties. Unless of course, you're the guy, then you probably don't even know what I'm talking about. C'est la vie.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 20:47:04


Post by: Albertorius


 bullyboy wrote:
If the shoe fits. I mean, with everything in 40K that just defies logic, apparently an eldar sniper on the back of a jetbike just tips the scales, eh?
But there are those types that will just complain about every little aspect of a movie/game that they find unrealistic, and yes, they are not fun to be with at parties. Unless of course, you're the guy, then you probably don't even know what I'm talking about. C'est la vie.


Not really. It's simply that I found the Vyper significantly cooler, and it could use an update, seeing the current model is 24 years old.

OTOH, it is still cool.

And the fact is that most people has clear ideas of what a sniper is and how it functions, and "zipping around on the back of a jetbike" kinda feels weird for that.

Particularly the stuff that says on the "leaked" rules about being better ar 12'', which feels as un-sniper as something can be.

You give those rules to a single scout on a tricked-out jetbike with an automated back module that shoots homing, auto targeting short range missiles, and you have something that for me would feel cooler and different. For example.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 22:00:37


Post by: Eumerin


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Then what's the point of a tandem? If they don't fire and drive at the same time, then why have a crew of two?


I could see it working. The sniper keeps an eye out for shooting spots or targets of opportunity, while the driver focuses on following the sniper's guidance. The bike gets to the shooting spot, the sniper draws a bead and fires, and the driver zooms off to the next spot while the sniper is still stowing his or her rifle away.

Of course, this all assumes that this is legitimate, and that the lore is for "briefly pause and shoot" instead of "shoot on the move".


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/04 22:08:25


Post by: jeff white


 Dysartes wrote:
Just to be clear, Rangers on Jetbikes I don't really mind - Rangers on tandem jetbikes, with the person riding pillion firing a sniper rifle while they move is where I have issues.


Yeah… sort of breaks the rule of cool.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 00:01:53


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Dysartes wrote:
Just to be clear, Rangers on Jetbikes I don't really mind - Rangers on tandem jetbikes, with the person riding pillion firing a sniper rifle while they move is where I have issues.
Thunderwolf Cavalry are one of the dumbest and most Flanderised concepts GW has ever come up with, yet the execution of the miniatures was pretty damned good (Wolf Lord Wolfy 'The Wolf' McWolf stupid mini notwithstanding). The same could apply here.

Also, I don't see what the problem with firing a rifle from a jetbike is. Horse archers were a thing.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 00:04:03


Post by: Albertorius


Horse archers were not snipers.

Horse archers would be the regular jetbikes.

"Sniper" does not really evoque "snap shoot" or "drive by".

And Thunderwolf Cavalry is still fething stupid. Taste on the minis can vary, I find them horrid.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 00:30:24


Post by: Iracundus


Will have to see what the final release looks like but I don't see a huge issue with Rangers firing from the back of a jetbike. If Guardians can do so from Vypers with a heavy weapon, why not Rangers?

Also, Eldar have been depicted and described as doing things that might seem incredible or impossible for humans, such as moving so fast that videos need to be slowed down to see them as more than just a blur, kicking back grenades thrown at them, or dodging shots because they can read that human's sluggish body language telegraphing where he is going to shoot. Eldar are described in the 2nd edition Codex as living at a more intense pitch and faster pace than a human (while also having longer lifespan), with keener senses and faster reflexes. One of Gav Thorpe's novel for example shows they see and integrate visual images faster than humans can, as the Eldar found the lights on a human ship annoying because they saw them as flickering while the humans saw only constant light. If Eldar process visual images faster than humans, then shooting from a speeding jetbike might not be as difficult as it would be for a human.

For such a species, why would it be that far fetched to think they could pull off a laser shot which then does not need to worry about things like wind or gravity affecting the shot trajectory significantly? We also don't know if the Ranger has some sort of targeting tech helping. We know at least from 2nd edition rules, that the Vyper pilot and gunner had targeters on their weapons to help them.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 00:34:37


Post by: bullyboy


To be clear, I am completely opposed to new Vypers.
This has absolutely nothing to do with me having 3 vypers still in boxes for God knows how many years. No, not at all.

@Dysartes.
I was a little snippy earlier, not sure why, no cause for it. Apologies dude.

Bottom line for me, how does the model look. I'm a sucker for cool looking Eldar models.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 00:37:07


Post by: Albertorius


It's just a matter of looks and the meaning of words. Simply, when you hear "sniper" you don't picture that. Rather, you imagine sneaky, stealthy and deliberate.

And there's many other ways you can achieve the same effect as the supposed leaked rules (I even gave one off the top of my head).

It's not like it would be the end of the world, either, but there will be people who won't like it.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 01:03:01


Post by: Flipsiders


In all fairness, sniper trickshots have become a major cultural touchstone ever since Halo and Counter-Strike ruined the idea of sniping from a distance forever.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 01:36:48


Post by: warboss


 Flipsiders wrote:
In all fairness, sniper trickshots have become a major cultural touchstone ever since Halo and Counter-Strike ruined the idea of sniping from a distance forever.


To my knowledge Gw has not incorporated teabagging as a command point stratagem but you're hinting that there may be a chance!??!


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 01:57:48


Post by: Kanluwen


Rangers are scouts, saboteurs, and marksmen, not just snipers.

I see zero issue with rangers on bikes with long-rifles.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 02:39:03


Post by: deleted20220509


 warboss wrote:
 Flipsiders wrote:
In all fairness, sniper trickshots have become a major cultural touchstone ever since Halo and Counter-Strike ruined the idea of sniping from a distance forever.


To my knowledge Gw has not incorporated teabagging as a command point stratagem but you're hinting that there may be a chance!??!


In the grim darkness of the far future, blah blah blah teabagging joke blah blah blah.

On Mother Cadia, we do not suck the bags of tea. [/stern humorless aspergers expression of a cadian comedian that misses the point of the art more infamously than Vogon's miss the point of poetry]


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 03:27:25


Post by: The Red Hobbit


 Dysartes wrote:
Just to be clear, Rangers on Jetbikes I don't really mind - Rangers on tandem jetbikes, with the person riding pillion firing a sniper rifle while they move is where I have issues.


Same here. Using a jetbike for transit is sensible, a sniper gunner on what amounts to a vyper is...odd.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 04:22:55


Post by: Irbis


 Albertorius wrote:
Horse archers were not snipers.

Horse archers would be the regular jetbikes.

"Sniper" does not really evoque "snap shoot" or "drive by".

Yup, sniper on fast moving, flying platform is an unprecedented idea that has never been done




Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 08:14:53


Post by: Knight


I'm glad the Rangers are getting some love, next to the Scorpions and Hawks, they were the models that got me into TT. I hope the pricing is tamed, as I'd really like to get those three new units (to add to the pile of shame).


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 08:29:08


Post by: Albertorius


 Kanluwen wrote:
Rangers are scouts, saboteurs, and marksmen, not just snipers.

I see zero issue with rangers on bikes with long-rifles.


Good for you, you're clearly not one of the people who it would bother.

But a long-rifle with a precision sight is a sniper weapon nonetheless, so it won't be the case for everyone.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Irbis wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
Horse archers were not snipers.

Horse archers would be the regular jetbikes.

"Sniper" does not really evoque "snap shoot" or "drive by".

Yup, sniper on fast moving, flying platform is an unprecedented idea that has never been done




Yes, shooting from a helo flying straight is clearly the same than zigging an zagging in a bike at ground level and shooting at 12'" or less to ignore cover. Exactly the same.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 08:59:20


Post by: Adrassil


Would love this, but it might not mean anything if they make the units five mini boxes at $105.00 like they did with the new Howling Banshees, here in NZ...I will make sure to use Mighty Ape and wait for them to be reduced and even then... (I'm sorry I still continue to whinge about it lol)


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 09:36:03


Post by: Hellebore


 Albertorius wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Rangers are scouts, saboteurs, and marksmen, not just snipers.

I see zero issue with rangers on bikes with long-rifles.


Good for you, you're clearly not one of the people who it would bother.

But a long-rifle with a precision sight is a sniper weapon nonetheless, so it won't be the case for everyone.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Irbis wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
Horse archers were not snipers.

Horse archers would be the regular jetbikes.

"Sniper" does not really evoque "snap shoot" or "drive by".

Yup, sniper on fast moving, flying platform is an unprecedented idea that has never been done




Yes, shooting from a helo flying straight is clearly the same than zigging an zagging in a bike at ground level and shooting at 12'" or less to ignore cover. Exactly the same.


What, you're saying that a helicopter that can zig and zag near ground level doesn't do that when deploying a sniper? it's a shame that a jetbike only has 'zig' or 'zag' on its control console, if only it had, fly straight and high when my buddy is sniping as mode may be these two vehicles could be compared...

The fact that their rifles have grav stabilising stalks making them work like a gravity gimble surely doesn't help them maintain high accuracy while on a moving vehicle.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 09:40:11


Post by: Albertorius


 Hellebore wrote:
What, you're saying that a helicopter that can zig and zag near ground level doesn't do that when deploying a sniper? it's a shame that a jetbike only has 'zig' or 'zag' on its control console, if only it had, fly straight and high when my buddy is sniping as mode may be these two vehicles could be compared...


Thank you for putting words in my mouth man. Kindly don't. I was commenting on the actual video, not on any imagined scenario you might add up to that to move goalposts.

But no, a copter won't "zig and zag" a couple meters from the ground as jetbikes do, and won't put itself 12'' or less from the target to ignore cover, as the leaked rules say these new jetbikes supposedly do.

An if it does, it will feel fething stupid.

But hey, you do you. I have tried to have a conversation, but it's clear that if I'm disagreeing with papa GW on what's cool I'm to shut up.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 09:42:24


Post by: Dysartes


Iracundus wrote:
Will have to see what the final release looks like but I don't see a huge issue with Rangers firing from the back of a jetbike. If Guardians can do so from Vypers with a heavy weapon, why not Rangers?

From what little description we've heard, the idea seems to be this style of bike rather than this style of bike.

I wonder if you can spot the element that makes firing a heavy weapon from the back of a Vyper a bit more more practical than firing a sniper rifle accurately from the back of a Skyweaver...


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 09:44:37


Post by: Albertorius


 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their rifles have grav stabilising stalks making them work like a gravity gimble surely doesn't help them maintain high accuracy while on a moving vehicle.


Yeah... hm, you know, thaht kinds feels like a Vyper...

OTOH, even if your gun weights nothing, you still have to keep it still and level. And somehow, for some reason, if feels more feasible using the vyper turret-like seating than hanging for dear life on the backseat of a bike.

Anyways, it's a taste thing. People can have differing tastes: for some people one way will feel much cooler than the other, and there's not really much wrong with it either way.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 09:48:34


Post by: Hellebore


 Albertorius wrote:
 Hellebore wrote:
What, you're saying that a helicopter that can zig and zag near ground level doesn't do that when deploying a sniper? it's a shame that a jetbike only has 'zig' or 'zag' on its control console, if only it had, fly straight and high when my buddy is sniping as mode may be these two vehicles could be compared...


Thank you for putting words in my mouth man. Kindly don't.

But no, a copter won't "zig and zag" a couple meters from the ground as jetbikes do, and won't put itself 12'' or less from the target to ignore cover, as the leaked rules say these new jetbikes supposedly do.

An if it does, it will feel fething stupid.

But hey, you do you. I have tried to have a conversation, but it's clear that if I'm disagreeing with papa GW on what's cool I'm to shut up.


No, all I did was point out that you were choosing to ignore the multi-modal nature of the vehicles and their capacity to do more than just the one thing you described.

Your argument was effectively 'jetbikes can only be driven in such a way as to make sniping off them impossible, therefore sniping off them is stupid'.




Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 09:49:57


Post by: Albertorius


 Hellebore wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 Hellebore wrote:
What, you're saying that a helicopter that can zig and zag near ground level doesn't do that when deploying a sniper? it's a shame that a jetbike only has 'zig' or 'zag' on its control console, if only it had, fly straight and high when my buddy is sniping as mode may be these two vehicles could be compared...


Thank you for putting words in my mouth man. Kindly don't.

But no, a copter won't "zig and zag" a couple meters from the ground as jetbikes do, and won't put itself 12'' or less from the target to ignore cover, as the leaked rules say these new jetbikes supposedly do.

An if it does, it will feel fething stupid.

But hey, you do you. I have tried to have a conversation, but it's clear that if I'm disagreeing with papa GW on what's cool I'm to shut up.


No, all I did was point out that you were choosing to ignore the multi-modal nature of the vehicles and their capacity to do more than just the one thing you described.

Your argument was effectively 'jetbikes can only be driven in such a way as to make sniping off them impossible, therefore sniping off them is stupid'.




I didn't, actually. Never did say it was the only way. Just the one the rules tell you. Had the rule been something like "ignore cover when shooting from more that 24 inches away" it would have felt more like you said, but the way the rules were stated to work they have to be pretty much in your face to do it.

But ok. Bye.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 10:15:21


Post by: dan2026


Getting kinda worried that it sounds like we aren't getting any new Fire Dragons or Dark Reapers.

So much for heavy fire power or anti-tank.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 10:25:49


Post by: Dudeface


 dan2026 wrote:
Getting kinda worried that it sounds like we aren't getting any new Fire Dragons or Dark Reapers.

So much for heavy fire power or anti-tank.


To be fair those are things the eldar don't lack anyway, even without those kits being refreshed.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 10:26:48


Post by: Albertorius


Dudeface wrote:
 dan2026 wrote:
Getting kinda worried that it sounds like we aren't getting any new Fire Dragons or Dark Reapers.

So much for heavy fire power or anti-tank.


To be fair those are things the eldar don't lack anyway, even without those kits being refreshed.


Still need refreshing, though. On account of being finecast, if nothing else.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 10:59:33


Post by: xttz


 dan2026 wrote:
Getting kinda worried that it sounds like we aren't getting any new Fire Dragons or Dark Reapers.

So much for heavy fire power or anti-tank.


I could easily see those being done as a stand-alone release in future like Banshees or Incubi.

GW were never going to re-do all aspects (and phoenix lords) at the same time as it reduces capacity for other new toys like Guardians, Rangers, or the Avatar.



Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 11:29:13


Post by: Knight


 dan2026 wrote:
Getting kinda worried that it sounds like we aren't getting any new Fire Dragons or Dark Reapers.


We're supposedly still waiting for the Tyrion's part of the Lumineth release, and we only have rumours for the new Eldar along with WHC's sneak peaks at this point. I'm not one for pointlessly hyping things, but it feels it is a bit too soon to feel underwhelmed by the quantity (or quality of execution) of new releases.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 12:14:17


Post by: MajorWesJanson


The rangers probably aren't even tied to the codex release, but the next Kill Team box instead.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 12:25:33


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Corsair rumours just don’t convince me I’m afraid.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 12:29:58


Post by: Olthannon


I'd rather the rangers were part of a kill team box and it was Eldar v Chaos. And that will roll round by the time the eldar release happens in March/April.

I'm not going to be happy until I see something guardian related.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 13:03:25


Post by: Tiberius501


Where’s today’s ‘leak’?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 13:11:48


Post by: Dudeface


 Tiberius501 wrote:
Where’s today’s ‘leak’?




Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 13:19:54


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


My post about being dubious makes more sense now!


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 13:39:35


Post by: Apple fox


 Kanluwen wrote:
Rangers are scouts, saboteurs, and marksmen, not just snipers.

I see zero issue with rangers on bikes with long-rifles.


Would be a chance to give them a weapon option.

Also scatter laser ? It’s kinda just a viper with a ranger on top ? Why not use the chance to update that as well.

Also, did I miss a bunch of lore on yriel ?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 13:46:19


Post by: Tiberius501


Dudeface wrote:
 Tiberius501 wrote:
Where’s today’s ‘leak’?




Ah thanks very much. I’m certainly curious to see if all this stuff comes to fruition. Seems like a lot of effort for all this to be a troll, especially as that other leaker said similar stuff.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 13:52:42


Post by: Dudeface


 Tiberius501 wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
 Tiberius501 wrote:
Where’s today’s ‘leak’?




Ah thanks very much. I’m certainly curious to see if all this stuff comes to fruition. Seems like a lot of effort for all this to be a troll, especially as that other leaker said similar stuff.


I agree but it has happened before with a complete fake rulebook leaked under a codename. Saying that, if true then I feel like the corsairs kit screams kill team to me, lots of random 1 off upgrades and builds.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 13:56:07


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Yeah... Corsairs being an option seems more like "Freebootaz" than an actual model release.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 14:29:16


Post by: Chairman Aeon


OK, I could see Corsairs being a dual kit with another unit, but the unit I’d pick to dual kit it with is Rangers. They are both outcasts and you could throw some exotic kit in there and Corsairs would look like Rangers gone native with different heads and arms/weapons.

The problem is that Rangers are destined for Kill Team, which does not have a dual kit as a spotlight unit. Accessory sprue yes, but not whole other unit.

Now personally I’d love a Corsair Kill Team that plays up the pirate “costuming” you see in Rogue Trader and each model was a character like the Starstriders. This also won’t happen because of the Rangers.

Guardians/Corsairs dual kit would be phoning it in. Corsairs would just be guardians with wings and different heads and guns. Super easy, barely an inconvenience.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 14:30:53


Post by: Irdiumstern


The Corsairs was initially that part that made me think fake, but a kill team release would make sense.
I would love to see corsairs in plastic, fingers crossed.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 15:06:25


Post by: xttz


 Chairman Aeon wrote:
OK, I could see Corsairs being a dual kit with another unit, but the unit I’d pick to dual kit it with is Rangers. They are both outcasts and you could throw some exotic kit in there and Corsairs would look like Rangers gone native with different heads and arms/weapons.

The problem is that Rangers are destined for Kill Team, which does not have a dual kit as a spotlight unit. Accessory sprue yes, but not whole other unit.

Now personally I’d love a Corsair Kill Team that plays up the pirate “costuming” you see in Rogue Trader and each model was a character like the Starstriders. This also won’t happen because of the Rangers.

Guardians/Corsairs dual kit would be phoning it in. Corsairs would just be guardians with wings and different heads and guns. Super easy, barely an inconvenience.


The more I think about it the more these rumours make sense.

Rangers are historically a 5-strong minimum unit, while any new Kill Team releases have been 10-strong units. They're also pretty poorly balanced as a KT unit as they're all snipers with little plausible room for specialists. Changing either of these traits would have an impact on the 40k unit entry.

Meanwhile Corsairs are naturally a 10-strong unit with lots of scope for different specialists within the same squad. They're pretty much the Eldar equivalent of Veteran Guardsmen.
A KT kit for them could easily consist of a Guardian kit paired with a new upgrade sprue.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 15:17:50


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I just don’t buy Wraith weapons on standard infantry. Seems….very odd.

As ever I’m happy to be proven wrong, as it’s not something I’m precious about


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 15:42:58


Post by: Knight


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I just don’t buy Wraith weapons on standard infantry. Seems….very odd.

As ever I’m happy to be proven wrong, as it’s not something I’m precious about


It feels very one of a kind, one warlock, one heavy gunner, one ranger, ordinary rank and file with maybe a veteran perk thrown in. Could easily be a character warband, or simply internet grinding its gears.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 15:47:51


Post by: Dysartes


 xttz wrote:
The more I think about it the more these rumours make sense.

Rangers are historically a 5-strong minimum unit, while any new Kill Team releases have been 10-strong units. They're also pretty poorly balanced as a KT unit as they're all snipers with little plausible room for specialists. Changing either of these traits would have an impact on the 40k unit entry.

Meanwhile Corsairs are naturally a 10-strong unit with lots of scope for different specialists within the same squad. They're pretty much the Eldar equivalent of Veteran Guardsmen.
A KT kit for them could easily consist of a Guardian kit paired with a new upgrade sprue.

That only holds if you take the 3rd-ed-onwards paradigm for Rangers as gospel - in 2nd they had a lot more flexibility with equipment (and sculpts), which was lost in the transition.

You can see a couple of examples on this page from the 95/6 catalogue - the dual pistol Ranger is a great sculpt, and the power sword/pistol guy makes for a good squad leader.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 16:03:53


Post by: nou


 Dysartes wrote:
 xttz wrote:
The more I think about it the more these rumours make sense.

Rangers are historically a 5-strong minimum unit, while any new Kill Team releases have been 10-strong units. They're also pretty poorly balanced as a KT unit as they're all snipers with little plausible room for specialists. Changing either of these traits would have an impact on the 40k unit entry.

Meanwhile Corsairs are naturally a 10-strong unit with lots of scope for different specialists within the same squad. They're pretty much the Eldar equivalent of Veteran Guardsmen.
A KT kit for them could easily consist of a Guardian kit paired with a new upgrade sprue.

That only holds if you take the 3rd-ed-onwards paradigm for Rangers as gospel - in 2nd they had a lot more flexibility with equipment (and sculpts), which was lost in the transition.

You can see a couple of examples on this page from the 95/6 catalogue - the dual pistol Ranger is a great sculpt, and the power sword/pistol guy makes for a good squad leader.


In 2nd not only could Rangers pack assault weaponry, but could also be... mounted on bikes.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 18:21:41


Post by: silverstu


Was there not previous mention of a killteam of corsairs with a warlock and Ranger? Was it a Reddit post that mentioned the Eldar vs Chaos box? Im sure I've read that before. Sounds like a killteam box- Guardians with an additional sprue for Corsairs- maybe head variants [bare heads rather than helmets as they don't need the Warmask].
I could see a Chaos vs Eldar box, a killteam box and then a later codex release allowing them to do the "massive but incomplete release for Eldar'.
Intrigued to see if these corsairs appear, hoping for some punk/flamboyant hairstyles like the original eldar models from RT days..


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 19:59:50


Post by: vipoid


Regarding these rumours, the thing that strikes me as strange is that Eldar would have specific rules for Ynnari.

One would think that if the eldar factions were going to have Ynnari rules then we would have seen them in the Dark Eldar codex. However, all DE got was a mere acknowledgement in the detachment rules that Ynnari exist.

Though I'll grant that Dark Eldar missing out on rules isn't exactly what you'd call hard evidence.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 20:29:08


Post by: Tastyfish


The exciting thing really about these rumours of rangers being part of a first wave of Eldar releases, is that they're probably not then going to the be the Kill team faction.

Leaving that nicely open for Scorpions.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 20:32:21


Post by: Voss


 vipoid wrote:
Regarding these rumours, the thing that strikes me as strange is that Eldar would have specific rules for Ynnari.

One would think that if the eldar factions were going to have Ynnari rules then we would have seen them in the Dark Eldar codex. However, all DE got was a mere acknowledgement in the detachment rules that Ynnari exist.

Though I'll grant that Dark Eldar missing out on rules isn't exactly what you'd call hard evidence.


Fair.
There's also a lot about this that seems at odds with current GW processes.

The corsairs jump out as another area that rings weird. It reminds me of the brief period where Harlequins existed in both Craftworlds and Dark Eldar books, before they were broken back out as their own faction.
Corsairs as a Craftworlds only subfaction is just... odd. It doesn't match the background, and it doesn't really match the current paradigm (though admittedly we're due for a 'mid' edition paradigm shift).

But it makes the whole thing seem like a muddle of guesswork that doesn't apply to 9th edition.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 20:38:55


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Ngl it just feels like this guy is making up them on the spot based on whatever rumour engine pics comes out that day.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 20:42:50


Post by: xttz


 Dysartes wrote:

That only holds if you take the 3rd-ed-onwards paradigm for Rangers as gospel - in 2nd they had a lot more flexibility with equipment (and sculpts), which was lost in the transition.

You can see a couple of examples on this page from the 95/6 catalogue - the dual pistol Ranger is a great sculpt, and the power sword/pistol guy makes for a good squad leader.


It was common for 1E/2E units to have access to very wide combinations of wargear, but those models were primarily intended to be used as squad leaders. GW in that era was pretty keen on having them be clearly identifiable with different wargear or back banners. Often both!

While i wouldn't rule out new Ranger loadouts in general, I wouldn't bet too much RT-era options coming back. It's far more likely to see that KT specialist flexibility on Guardians/Corsairs.



Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/05 23:17:41


Post by: Tastyfish


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Ngl it just feels like this guy is making up them on the spot based on whatever rumour engine pics comes out that day.

He did post his new models list on day 2 though, to be fair.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 01:21:38


Post by: warpedpig


If you wanna know what life is like being an Eldar just eat a few grams of shrooms. It’s like being the guy in the movie limitless.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Sniping as a tactic or being equipped with a rifle that a sniper could use does not make one into a sniper.

A sniper is a highly trained soldier who gathers intelligence on enemy using their training in concealment and specialized optics. They also stalk targets of high importance with field craft skills. They also identify and engage high priority threats to support infantry attacks.

The vast majority of a snipers time is spent observing. Taking notes. And gathering information. The vindicare assassin would be a better example of a sniper

The dudes riding around on bikes shooting are just marksmen with precision rifles. They aren’t stalking targets, gathering intel, or doing the things a sniper is known for.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 03:10:14


Post by: warboss


warpedpig wrote:

The vast majority of a snipers time is spent observing. Taking notes. And gathering information. The vindicare assassin would be a better example of a sniper


Careful. Bringing up that particular sniper in an eldar thread is likely to start comparisons of a different kind of stalking.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 04:09:57


Post by: MajorWesJanson


 Knight wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I just don’t buy Wraith weapons on standard infantry. Seems….very odd.

As ever I’m happy to be proven wrong, as it’s not something I’m precious about


It feels very one of a kind, one warlock, one heavy gunner, one ranger, ordinary rank and file with maybe a veteran perk thrown in. Could easily be a character warband, or simply internet grinding its gears.


Specialist sprue added to a more normal unit?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 vipoid wrote:
Regarding these rumours, the thing that strikes me as strange is that Eldar would have specific rules for Ynnari.

One would think that if the eldar factions were going to have Ynnari rules then we would have seen them in the Dark Eldar codex. However, all DE got was a mere acknowledgement in the detachment rules that Ynnari exist.

Though I'll grant that Dark Eldar missing out on rules isn't exactly what you'd call hard evidence.


Currently, Ynnari are made up of 3 unique models, some relics, strategems, and few other special rules. About the same level of content as a Marine supplement. The Eldar book is not massively overstuffed like the Marine one yet, so they could just merge it in, similar to Beastsnaggas in the ork book. Just add a few rules that harlequins, labels, and watch cults can swap their faction keyword for ynnari and good to go.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 04:42:54


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Sure would be cool if a new Guardian kit had a Warlock in there and they were just part of squads again...


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 05:57:48


Post by: Fayric


Corsairs and Ynnari would be great supplements.
Just like the marine codex, the craftworld codex could include some basic rule for outcasts and death cult, and then await supplements for more elaborate rules that still use craftworld codex as reference (probably just in time for 10th edition).

Not that I belive it untill I see it. And that goes for every single speculation in this thread.
Besides, all those kits that need to be updated still have a real hard time to be viable in todays meta. I mean scouts, guardians and warlocks? what are you trying to accomplish with those.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 06:51:16


Post by: warpedpig


Saim Hann will be overpowered in next edition. Just watch.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 09:13:31


Post by: ImAGeek


This talk of corsairs makes me miss Imperial Armour books. Corsairs are perfect for something like that I think, a niche within a niche but still really cool and deserve expanding on properly somewhere. Obviously Forge World prices were a bit more palatable back when IA books were a thing and it wouldn’t be anywhere near as cool these days I’m sure, but damn they were cool.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 09:37:18


Post by: Dudeface




Honestly can't decide if battle focus would be too much or too little of a perk, I think it's generally good and situationally either brilliant or negligible.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 09:38:23


Post by: Knight


 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Specialist sprue added to a more normal unit?


I hope for otherwise, much of the range could use an update and Guardians are no exception. My guess is that I'm not alone with having more Guardians that I can use (even if I'd want to play), getting another unit just for a few new models or bits that are made for older models isn't feeling great. New models with maybe new weapon options and bitses is preferable.

 ImAGeek wrote:
This talk of corsairs makes me miss Imperial Armour books. Corsairs are perfect for something like that I think, a niche within a niche but still really cool and deserve expanding on properly somewhere. Obviously Forge World prices were a bit more palatable back when IA books were a thing and it wouldn’t be anywhere near as cool these days I’m sure, but damn they were cool.


Corsairs, Harlequins and Exodites are subcultures that deserve (or I want them) models. Imagine the outrage when we'd had a snipping point ear on a dino.





Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 11:18:50


Post by: Khahandran


Dudeface wrote:


Honestly can't decide if battle focus would be too much or too little of a perk, I think it's generally good and situationally either brilliant or negligible.

That's a nerf to assault weapons, and assuming it covers heavy weapons a buff to them. A buff to pistols if it covers them, and massive buff to everything even assault weapons if it still allows you to charge.

I wonder if this what was meant by the ranger jetbikes moving shooting and moving.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 11:51:25


Post by: deleted20220509


Eldar have been in dire need of a real direction to travel for half a dozen editions now.

The specialist spam squads were an ill conceived design from the very beginning, and its no wonder we havent gotten plastic firedragons or dark reapers, etc.

The entire eldar range needs a good sit down and think about what it actually is, inside of its neglected and messy bits box they have had to endure for a quarter decade.

Plot a course and stick to it. Until then, its probably a good thing eldar havent had significant releases, especially if whats left to do is best left on the cutting room floor and swept away with the rest of the garbage.

I know that would make a lot of eldar players with 3 dark reapers sqauds pissed, but even they know in their hearts that a lot of these squad designs are so fundamentally flawed that youre only using them because they are part of a faction you wish had enough attention paid to it in order to be playable without ridiculous fluff rationalizations obfuscating terrible design choices.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 12:06:27


Post by: Olthannon


Eldar could be great fun in 9th, lightning quick army, getting up close to rapid fire and finishing off in melee. Plus they have some great options for crusade to focus on grabbing objectives.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 18:11:45


Post by: deleted20220509


Im more worried about consistency, frankly.

They are a dying race, and yet they send more warm bodies to fight than they do their magical eldritch creations?

I mean, I guess its nic to have the options of an all infantry army, but its so antithetical to the fluff, that they never meet anywhere.

It feels like they are the game design equivalent of throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks. And after a quarter of a century of that, its time to put up or shut up, from a manufacturing/consumer standpoint.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 18:19:56


Post by: Khahandran


 Wiz Warrior wrote:
Im more worried about consistency, frankly.

They are a dying race, and yet they send more warm bodies to fight than they do their magical eldritch creations?

I mean, I guess its nic to have the options of an all infantry army, but its so antithetical to the fluff, that they never meet anywhere.

It feels like they are the game design equivalent of throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks. And after a quarter of a century of that, its time to put up or shut up, from a manufacturing/consumer standpoint.

You're still talking about a species that numbers in the billions or possibly trillions.

The fluff says they don't like using their wraith constructs.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 18:35:33


Post by: bullyboy


This is the first piece that gives me doubts about authenticity of rumour. Seems lazy, same with psychics.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 18:40:01


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 bullyboy wrote:
This is the first piece that gives me doubts about authenticity of rumour. Seems lazy, same with psychics.


Lazyness and not giving a gak about their own established lore are both very GW-like.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 18:45:25


Post by: deleted20220509


Khahandran wrote:
The fluff says they don't like using their wraith constructs.

...until they do like to use them....
Ahh yes, the fluff. So flagrantly inconsistent that anyone can just pick and choose a rationalization du jour. GW "lore" at its best.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 18:51:55


Post by: the_scotsman


at first blush I absolutely hate this rule.

At the very LEAST to prevent abuse that extra movement should occur at the beginning of the enemy charge phase (to prevent the inevitable long range shooting units using it to boop in and out of obscuring terrain) but why, why do we have to keep making rules for eldar factions that are less reliable and more orky than the rules that orks get?

My eldar are almost exclusively assault/close range units, and this would just be so bad for my stuff. if they want the eldar to be this finesse/high risk high reward army where youre making lots of choices, this is the wrong way to go about it.

....Also once again it makes CWE faster than their "supa-fast" drukhari counterparts :^))))) you go GW.

here, I'll come up with Battlefocus that works better than this rule in 5 seconds:

The Eldar battle trance is a powerful psychic tool for preserving the asuryani race. When under its effects, Eldar warriors move like the wind, counfounding their enemies and striking faster than the eye can see, or they can lie in wait for days, perfectly alert, ready to strike at the slightest movement.

All ASURYANI CORE units (everything is CORE except Wraiths and Vehicles) gains the following rule:

-If the unit Advanced or Fell Back in the movement phase, all ranged weapons except for weapons with the GRENADE type become the ASSAULT type (e.g. pistol 1 becomes assault 1, rapid fire 1 becomes assault 1) and any attacks made against the unit suffer -1 to hit rolls.

-if the unit Remained Stationary or made a Normal Move in the movement phase, any attacks the unit makes ignore the benefits of cover.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 20:56:02


Post by: vipoid


 the_scotsman wrote:

At the very LEAST to prevent abuse that extra movement should occur at the beginning of the enemy charge phase (to prevent the inevitable long range shooting units using it to boop in and out of obscuring terrain) but why, why do we have to keep making rules for eldar factions that are less reliable and more orky than the rules that orks get?

My eldar are almost exclusively assault/close range units, and this would just be so bad for my stuff. if they want the eldar to be this finesse/high risk high reward army where youre making lots of choices, this is the wrong way to go about it.

....Also once again it makes CWE faster than their "supa-fast" drukhari counterparts :^))))) you go GW.


Tbh, I think a big part of the issue is a weird desperation to make the Eldar factions as different as possible (which is weird given that, unlike marine factions, Eldar, DE and Harlequins share all of 0 units).

As in, previously all Eldar (bar Wraiths and Covens, I think?) just had Fleet as standard - so they could all run and then charge. But then in 8th only Harlequins could run and charge, whilst Eldar could run and shoot and DE . . . couldn't actually do either. Now in 9th DE can advance and charge if they don't ally (possibly due to performance-anxiety) and, if these rumours are to be believed, eldar can't run and charge but they can move, shoot, and then move a bit more.

Might a standard Fleet-type rule help give the Eldar factions a shared identity?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 21:08:18


Post by: tneva82


Well according to that rumour you can move, shoot, move d6 and charge


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/06 21:20:48


Post by: Insectum7


 Wiz Warrior wrote:

The specialist spam squads were an ill conceived design from the very beginning, and its no wonder we havent gotten plastic firedragons or dark reapers, etc.
Well that's a spicy take. Also I'm seeing players choosing to do "specialist spam" with other armies as soon as they can. Drop Pod Grav Devastators, IG plasma spam . . . Any Primaris unit, it seems.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 02:41:54


Post by: H.B.M.C.


There's still no general 40k rumours thread like we have for AoS (for reasons that still elude me...), so I'll post this here.

Got a newsletter from GW advertising two new "bundles":

Sons of Ferrus Manus - Unleash cold, hard logic (and a colder, harder Dreadnought) upon the enemies of the Imperium. This bundle is the perfect way to kick off a new Iron Hands force or to add reinforcements to one you already have.

Sons of Fulgrim - Claim the galaxy in the name of Slaanesh with this Chaos Space Marines bundle. It contains everything you need to start a new Emperor's Children army or to easily add to an existing one.

The pre-order links both Error 404. Might'a been sent out a bit too early. From the pics they just look like existing packs (the Marine one is the ETB Phobos stuff) with some extra stuff thrown in. I wouldn't expect a discount.




Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 02:51:27


Post by: GaroRobe


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There's still no general 40k rumours thread like we have for AoS (for reasons that still elude me...), so I'll post this here.

Got a newsletter from GW advertising two new "bundles":

Sons of Ferrus Manus - Unleash cold, hard logic (and a colder, harder Dreadnought) upon the enemies of the Imperium. This bundle is the perfect way to kick off a new Iron Hands force or to add reinforcements to one you already have.

Sons of Fulgrim - Claim the galaxy in the name of Slaanesh with this Chaos Space Marines bundle. It contains everything you need to start a new Emperor's Children army or to easily add to an existing one.

The pre-order links both Error 404. Might'a been sent out a bit too early. From the pics they just look like existing packs (the Marine one is the ETB Phobos stuff) with some extra stuff thrown in. I wouldn't expect a discount.




Given that it's supposedly emperor's children themed, calling them all "sons" seems a tad presumptious


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 03:06:02


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 GaroRobe wrote:
Given that it's supposedly emperor's children themed, calling them all "sons" seems a tad presumptious
Can we not do this? Even if you're just joking, can we not?



Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 03:40:10


Post by: Marshal Loss


Well that's a little out of left field. Not quite the Emperor's Children release I'd been hoping for, but at least GW remember they exist.

If you can tell from the picture, did they bother painting up anything in EC colours or is this just the "saving clicks" kind of bundle?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 03:51:15


Post by: Kanluwen


It's literally going to always be the "saving clicks" kind of bundle.

Anything else would be announced on Sunday as a preorder for the week.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 04:36:10


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Thanks Mr. No Fun. I don't think that was ever in question.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
If you can tell from the picture, did they bother painting up anything in EC colours or is this just the "saving clicks" kind of bundle?
Pfft! The Iron Hands aren't even Iron Hands. They're just Ultramarines and Black Legion.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 04:55:13


Post by: Jack Flask


 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Sons of Fulgrim - Claim the galaxy in the name of Slaanesh with this Chaos Space Marines bundle. It contains everything you need to start a new Emperor's Children army or to easily add to an existing one.


What can that even realistically contain to resemble anything other than generic CSM? Because unless GW is trying really hard to sell the crappy resin Noise Marine upgrade kits there's not going to be anything that really screams ( ) Emperor's Children...


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 05:01:46


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Until the links work I can't say whether they're trying to push the resin Noise Marine bits with a kit they're 100% not designed for, but as it stands it's probably just a Start Collecting! with the Oblits, the 10 Marines, the Venomcrawler and the 2 Greater Possessed and one or two other things tacked on (another squad of regular CSM, given the pic).

I mean there's low effort, and then there's this:

Spoiler:






Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 07:33:09


Post by: Marshal Loss


Perfection.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's literally going to always be the "saving clicks" kind of bundle.

Anything else would be announced on Sunday as a preorder for the week.




Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 07:34:22


Post by: DreadfullyHopeful


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Until the links work I can't say whether they're trying to push the resin Noise Marine bits with a kit they're 100% not designed for, but as it stands it's probably just a Start Collecting! with the Oblits, the 10 Marines, the Venomcrawler and the 2 Greater Possessed and one or two other things tacked on (another squad of regular CSM, given the pic).

I mean there's low effort, and then there's this:

Spoiler:




That'll be the biggest insult ! The CSM from the SC are monopose and need some clipping to accept the sonic weapons.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 07:39:40


Post by: Joyboozer


Sometimes my drinking gets out of hand, and I buy things online. I hope I don’t accidentally purchase the Emperors Children box, I collect Black Legion. Don’t even want to think about having to convert those Iron Hands into Ultramarines!


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 08:46:16


Post by: Khahandran


 Wiz Warrior wrote:
Khahandran wrote:
The fluff says they don't like using their wraith constructs.

...until they do like to use them....
Ahh yes, the fluff. So flagrantly inconsistent that anyone can just pick and choose a rationalization du jour. GW "lore" at its best.

Er, no. They never like using them. Using them because they're desperate isn't the same as liking using them. They're used to supplement, not completely replace.

That piece of lore has been consistent since 2nd edition.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 10:20:30


Post by: Olthannon


Khahandran wrote:
 Wiz Warrior wrote:
Khahandran wrote:
The fluff says they don't like using their wraith constructs.

...until they do like to use them....
Ahh yes, the fluff. So flagrantly inconsistent that anyone can just pick and choose a rationalization du jour. GW "lore" at its best.

Er, no. They never like using them. Using them because they're desperate isn't the same as liking using them. They're used to supplement, not completely replace.

That piece of lore has been consistent since 2nd edition.


Yeah Iyanden are one of the few who really used wraith constructs because they had to in desperation what with the Tyranidding and all. In terms of the models I think that's why they have been pushing Iyanden because it means they can sell more wraith constructs. Hides the fact that the infantry models are so old. Hopefully with this new release we are seeing a return of more infantry and less focus on the constructs.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 10:49:11


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


An Emperor's Children bundle without a single Emperor's Children model.

Thanks Geedubs


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 11:06:09


Post by: Twilight Pathways




Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 11:23:41


Post by: Lord Perversor


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Until the links work I can't say whether they're trying to push the resin Noise Marine bits with a kit they're 100% not designed for, but as it stands it's probably just a Start Collecting! with the Oblits, the 10 Marines, the Venomcrawler and the 2 Greater Possessed and one or two other things tacked on (another squad of regular CSM, given the pic).

I mean there's low effort, and then there's this:

Spoiler:






There is a small chance those are for 2022 akin to start the new year with a new army project they do in their official stores.

Then it's worth to notice the symbol placed just in the middle of the pic like hiding a new faction themed character as a way to kickstart it in order to justify the faction title.

GW release plans are delayed as we know so it may be to speed it up and catch the rythm (similar to like they did with the Wigh in skeletal steed for vampire counts.)


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 11:34:35


Post by: Marshal Loss


Not a chance, it's just a bundle of existing kits:

The Sons of Fulgrim represent the forces of the Emperor's Children in the Era Indomitus. If you seek to serve Slaanesh as one of its hedonistic champions, then this the bundle for you.

In addition to all the units found in Start Collecting! Chaos Space Marines, you’ll get a dread Chaos Lord to lead them, an additional unit of Chaos Space Marines as well as a set of Noise Marines Sonic Weapons with which to upgrade them, and a murderous Helbrute to crush all before you.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 11:48:24


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Bundle of existing, completly incompatible kits
Thanks GW


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 11:51:45


Post by: Jack Flask


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Until the links work I can't say whether they're trying to push the resin Noise Marine bits with a kit they're 100% not designed for, but as it stands it's probably just a Start Collecting! with the Oblits, the 10 Marines, the Venomcrawler and the 2 Greater Possessed and one or two other things tacked on (another squad of regular CSM, given the pic).

I mean there's low effort, and then there's this:

Spoiler:






Oh yeah, wow... Those are both bad, but the EC one is egregiously bad...

This is in no way a defense of one click bundles, because they are all pointless, but I can kinda understand GW putting one up while a new campaign book is dropping. Like a shiny "here's that army that Such-and-such used in XX campaign, all organized for your convenience" button for anyone that is overly enthusiastic and lacks impulse control.

But what is the occasion for these bundles?? Is there even anything featuring the IH or EC in the near future?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 13:14:41


Post by: bullyboy


And just like that, the Craftworld rumour turned into something else.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 13:35:44


Post by: Gert


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Bundle of existing, completly incompatible kits
Thanks GW

Man if only there was a non-push fit unit of CSM included in the bundle that could use the Noise Marine Upgrades. Oh, wait! There is!
But hey, anything to be negative all the time right Wha-Mu?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 13:52:49


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Gert wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Bundle of existing, completly incompatible kits
Thanks GW

Man if only there was a non-push fit unit of CSM included in the bundle that could use the Noise Marine Upgrades. Oh, wait! There is!
But hey, anything to be negative all the time right Wha-Mu?


Man, if only the Noise Marine Upgrades weren't made for the previous CSM kit, thus making them completly incompatible with the non-push fit unit of CSM.

Removed - Rule #1


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 14:00:30


Post by: vipoid


As someone who isn't particularly knowledgeable on Chaos or Chaos kits, could someone kindly explain the issue to me?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 14:03:10


Post by: Dudeface


 vipoid wrote:
As someone who isn't particularly knowledgeable on Chaos or Chaos kits, could someone kindly explain the issue to me?


The noise marine upgrades were metal add-ons from 3rd ed, they got retooled in finecast years ago but won't die. They were made to fit the 3rd ed chaos marines, which are now dinky and as such aren't a good fit on the 8th ed chaos marines. GW seemingly won't replace them without a bespoke noise marine kit, which in turn won't release without an emperors children book, which in turn isn't expected any time soon.

To further elaborate, Wha-Mu seems to want to just pop them on the 8th ed bodies (although I suspect they wouldn't buy them and is a general gripe for the sakes of it), whereas Gert is willing to use basic hobby skills to fit them on but seemingly doesn't appreciate not everyone wants to have to do that. So nobody wins this needless argument.

Final edit: can we leave the discussion of one-click bundles out the eldar thread now it's all cleared up please?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 14:18:05


Post by: Jack Flask


vipoid wrote:As someone who isn't particularly knowledgeable on Chaos or Chaos kits, could someone kindly explain the issue to me?


In addition to the complaints about the age of the upgrade bits and their resin nature, the entire bundle (both of them in fact) seem to have been curated with the same care as someone backing a forklift into a warehousing bay and then putting whatever fell down into a box. They do a very questionable job of actually representing the tactics and personality of the Iron Hands or Emperor's Children that they claim to represent.

Dudeface wrote:
 vipoid wrote:
As someone who isn't particularly knowledgeable on Chaos or Chaos kits, could someone kindly explain the issue to me?


The noise marine upgrades were metal add-ons from 3rd ed, they got retooled in finecast years ago but won't die. They were made to fit the 3rd ed chaos marines, which are now dinky and as such aren't a good fit on the 8th ed chaos marines. GW seemingly won't replace them without a bespoke noise marine kit, which in turn won't release without an emperors children book, which in turn isn't expected any time soon.

To further elaborate, Wha-Mu seems to want to just pop them on the 8th ed bodies (although I suspect they wouldn't buy them and is a general gripe for the sakes of it), whereas Gert is willing to use basic hobby skills to fit them on but seemingly doesn't appreciate not everyone wants to have to do that. So nobody wins this needless argument.

Final edit: can we leave the discussion of one-click bundles out the eldar thread now it's all cleared up please?


Oh it's even better than that. The upgrade pack they give you isn't even the upgrade pack with a squads worth of sonic weapons, it's the old commander upgrade pack. So the most you can do is upgrade either the Sergeant or the non-multipart Lord and then sprinkle the remaining bits on a couple or random marines...

But sure, I won't reply about it any more. It's still pretty ridiculous though.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 14:24:41


Post by: xttz




That seems like a potentially interesting way to implement Eldritch Storm. Presumably individual psychic actions contribute to it's overall damage, so denying an action doesn't prevent the power outright but will diminish the effects.

 vipoid wrote:
As someone who isn't particularly knowledgeable on Chaos or Chaos kits, could someone kindly explain the issue to me?


The issue is that I added Wha-Mu to my ignore list but people keep quoting his provocative off-topic drivel - thus making the world a less pleasant place :(


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 14:34:53


Post by: the_scotsman


 Gert wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Bundle of existing, completly incompatible kits
Thanks GW

Man if only there was a non-push fit unit of CSM included in the bundle that could use the Noise Marine Upgrades. Oh, wait! There is!
But hey, anything to be negative all the time right Wha-Mu?


the new CSM kit actually isnt compatible with the noise marine upgrade kit. Like at all. None of the bits fit. It's actually the thing that last year had me go and buy a 3d printer, because I realized that the time and effort I was going to need to spend to just make these five noise marines look even anywhere approaching half-decent I could probably get a printer, learn to use it, and print some CSM that actually look to me like emperors children should look.

...which was totally right, btw, first half-liter of resin made like 400$ "worth" of noise marines (without obnoxious excessive edgy boi spikerinos but with female members of the squad because that's a thing I get to just have now). The original set of CSM and the warped, misshapen lumps of crap-quality resin GW calls an 'upgrade kit' that doesnt fit around the torsos that GW carefully keyed to make sure they dont work with anything but the designated 2 poses are still sitting on my workbench.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 xttz wrote:


That seems like a potentially interesting way to implement Eldritch Storm. Presumably individual psychic actions contribute to it's overall damage, so denying an action doesn't prevent the power outright but will diminish the effects.

 vipoid wrote:
As someone who isn't particularly knowledgeable on Chaos or Chaos kits, could someone kindly explain the issue to me?


The issue is that I added Wha-Mu to my ignore list but people keep quoting his provocative off-topic drivel - thus making the world a less pleasant place :(


kind of cool, does slightly defeat the fun for me that it will just be adding to boring mortal wounds...but at least it works differently than every other boring mortal wound offensive psychic power, so thats progress?

Nothing else particularly surprising though. Drukhari's version of fire and fade I think also went to 2cp.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 16:10:48


Post by: vipoid


Oh wow. Yeah, I can understand why Chaos Players aren't at all pleased with that bundle.


Back on topic, I'm still really curious as to how Ynnari will work with these changes. The newest DE book implied that they can be taken as Ynnari, so I'm presuming it won't be exclusive to Eldar. However, I'm obviously very curious as to what form it will take if it's being put into the Eldar book.




Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 17:50:37


Post by: Proxy Hammer


My hope for the new Craftworlds Codex is that GW pays attention to the Eldar’s main strength which is movement and precise strikes.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 19:40:42


Post by: Grimskul


 Proxy Hammer wrote:
My hope for the new Craftworlds Codex is that GW pays attention to the Eldar’s main strength which is movement and precise strikes.


Unfortunately, with how hamfisted GW seems to be when it comes to spamming transhuman and -1D across codices, I would expect that to be in the book somehow, whether its for wraith constructs only or your version of transhuman is for hits instead of wounds, so like you can never hit an Eldar unit better than a 4+ when stationary, and a 5+ if you advanced. And yes, I know that it basically doesn't do anything against low BS armies like Orks, but that's like how the Snakebitez klan trait is functionally useless so I can see GW doing something like that.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 20:41:58


Post by: MajorWesJanson


Maybe Eldar get the benefits of cover if they moved, and -1 to hit if they advance?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 22:15:07


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Proxy Hammer wrote:
My hope for the new Craftworlds Codex is that GW pays attention to the Eldar’s main strength which is movement and precise strikes.
Expect your own version of Transhuman Physiology then.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/07 22:21:24


Post by: Grimskul


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Proxy Hammer wrote:
My hope for the new Craftworlds Codex is that GW pays attention to the Eldar’s main strength which is movement and precise strikes.
Expect your own version of Transhuman Physiology then.


Transpanzee Pointyearology more like


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/08 02:14:52


Post by: Hellebore


 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Maybe Eldar get the benefits of cover if they moved, and -1 to hit if they advance?



oof wouldn't that mean aspects get 2+ saves and -1 to hit? I mean I'm not against that, but that seems pretty strong... they'd have to cost a bit to get that because eldar don't really stay still, making these virtually permanent effects.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/08 09:01:23


Post by: Marshal Loss




Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/08 09:08:33


Post by: Flipsiders


From the little I know about Ynnari, this seems real.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/08 13:44:11


Post by: Gene St. Ealer


 Hellebore wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Maybe Eldar get the benefits of cover if they moved, and -1 to hit if they advance?



oof wouldn't that mean aspects get 2+ saves and -1 to hit? I mean I'm not against that, but that seems pretty strong... they'd have to cost a bit to get that because eldar don't really stay still, making these virtually permanent effects.


On a chassis that remains 1W and T3? That doesn't seem crazy to me. Aspects need to be a lot tougher than they are now.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/08 17:13:26


Post by: vipoid


Regarding the Ynnari leak, am I missing something or does it sound like you can no longer take Harlequin units as Ynnari?


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/08 18:56:24


Post by: Radium


These rumours also state Harelquins will be part of the CWE codex, so I'd assume they don't need to specifically called to be able to join a Ynnari detachment.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/08 19:43:38


Post by: Grimskul


Radium wrote:
These rumours also state Harelquins will be part of the CWE codex, so I'd assume they don't need to specifically called to be able to join a Ynnari detachment.


Hmmmm, that's interesting because I can see that given that Harlequins have such a limited model line as is that they might not bother expanding it and might prefer to roll it back into CWE. It'll be interesting to see how much of their existing subfaction and pivotal roles survive into the codex if that's the case.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/08 19:48:30


Post by: Voss


 Flipsiders wrote:
From the little I know about Ynnari, this seems real.


VERY dubious about increased point costs for specific DE units.
That's almost completely unbelievable these days, given how much GW hands out as subfaction traits for free.


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/09 09:37:28


Post by: Twilight Pathways




Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/09 10:02:27


Post by: Albertorius


fething hell, but I hate the current edition rules mentality >_>


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/09 10:16:01


Post by: Turnip Jedi


 Grimskul wrote:
Radium wrote:
These rumours also state Harelquins will be part of the CWE codex, so I'd assume they don't need to specifically called to be able to join a Ynnari detachment.


Hmmmm, that's interesting because I can see that given that Harlequins have such a limited model line as is that they might not bother expanding it and might prefer to roll it back into CWE. It'll be interesting to see how much of their existing subfaction and pivotal roles survive into the codex if that's the case.


I'd guess none...well till the army of paywall book drops late 2022


Aeldari rumours @ 2021/12/09 10:17:27


Post by: Iracundus


Looks like I was right in predicting some sort of Fate dice mechanic similar to the Miracle dice mechanic (assuming these rumors are true), though my idea was more about impacting the other side's dice.