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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
How do!
Battlezone Fronteris is quite varied for a backwater position and comes with a Landing Pad, a Vox-Antenna, and an Auspex Shrine – elements that have plenty of utility. Tall, imposing, and perfect for blocking lines of sight, it’s also designed to fit into any existing terrain collection.
This battlezone is designed to give you a range of new terrain for your battles on frontier worlds or to add a little bit more militaristic utility to your existing gaming tables. It includes STC Hab-Bunkers, a Landing Pad, Vox-Antenna, Auspex Shrine, plus a selection of stockades, and will soon be available as a complete battlezone and in a variety of smaller kits.
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Post by: Aeneades
Looks like it includes the intact building terrain which I think was previously only available in the Killteam box.
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Post by: Gert
The large section reminds me of the Marine base from Dawn of War 1.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Why did no one page me?
Loving the look of the landing pad, big dish and the vox tower thingy. Not so sold on the 'stockades'.
Of course, it's another set of non-modular terrain.
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Post by: Rihgu
Interesting that the landing pad is apparently obscuring, and that they think the antennae platform is "perfect for blocking line of sight"? Whoever wrote that isn't really clear on how LoS works in 40k, I guess.
I hate that while their event organizing team has basically acknowledged that 40k 9th edition only works on One Specific Terrain Layout (okay there's some slight variation but at the core the Symmetric City Of Obscuring Ruins aka SCOBR is the only way to play) these new terrain pieces do not fit into that One Specific Terrain Layout.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Landing pad could easily be made into a fighting pit for Necromunda.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Another pic from FB.
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Post by: tneva82
Rihgu wrote:Interesting that the landing pad is apparently obscuring, and that they think the antennae platform is "perfect for blocking line of sight"? Whoever wrote that isn't really clear on how LoS works in 40k, I guess.
I hate that while their event organizing team has basically acknowledged that 40k 9th edition only works on One Specific Terrain Layout (okay there's some slight variation but at the core the Symmetric City Of Obscuring Ruins aka SCOBR is the only way to play) these new terrain pieces do not fit into that One Specific Terrain Layout.
Well it's only way to play if you are lazy and/or bad.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I think that the landing pad has also been designed to fit cleanly under the Sector Fronteris hab building.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Though looks like they’ve got the wall sections backwards in the last pic. Look at the fire slit flaps…
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Post by: jullevi
I'll have it all, thank you very much. Twice.
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Post by: Redemption
While they're definitely not as modular as the Sector Imperialis terrain, it does looks like there is some interoperability between the kits. Besides the mandatory pipe connections, it looks like the Vox-Antenna and possibly the Auspex Shrine fit on top of the landing pad structure neatly, judging from the shape of the landing pad doors and the bottom of the antenna.
The Hab-Bunker also seems to fit on the Landing Pad, as seen in the background on the right here:
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
So actual brainy thoughts.
This is….kind of cool, I guess. I’m most visually invested in the ruins and ad mech stuff. I like the sheer scale of it, and it’s gothic hallmarks.
This stuff, for the now, seems a bit generic for my tastes. I mean I do not by any means dislike it. Certainly it’s reminiscent of early 40K homemade terrain, relying as it does on simple geometric shapes.
I think I may properly get invested once I’ve seen a full table of this, and I certainly do appreciate the stylistic variety.
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Post by: Voss
I do like it, though they need to show off the bunker more.
The comm tower and tiny little platform seems a little pointless to me, but I like the rest of it, especially for not being ginormous towering levels to knock around on the table.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
n/m
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Post by: JWBS
Looks nice, I'll surely be buying some. Landing pad looks a bit bumpy though, I have to figure that the ideal plane for landing should be a flat one.
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Post by: Dysartes
Like most of it other than the landing pad - prefer the look of the Skyshield as landing pads go.
Of course, that is listed as "Temp. out of stock online" on the GW site at the moment...
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Post by: NAVARRO
 Dysartes wrote:Like most of it other than the landing pad - prefer the look of the Skyshield as landing pads go.
Of course, that is listed as "Temp. out of stock online" on the GW site at the moment...
The Skyshield looks bigger too but I never liked the "legs".
This one looks a bigger than the bastion base but not by much specially if you make 2 bastion bases side by side.
Love the new terrain.
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Post by: Altruizine
The landing pad is great just for giving a second storey to the basic building. I also like how it doesn't really even look like a landing pad, and could be altered to look like a hatch with minimal work (since I'd be using it for Necromunda, anyway).
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Post by: MoD_Legion
Hnnnnnnnnggh, I already have so much terrain, most unbuild, or half build and almost none of it painted. And yet, my brain goes 'WANT'. The sets looks pretty cool and I'm sure they are plenty modular with itself at least, their new terrain has been pretty on point with stuff fitting together like that. My wallet will be slightly less happy though I'm sure. To bad it's more imperial terrain though, but I guess the niche for xenos terrain is fairly small.
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Post by: BrookM
Damn it, same here, already have a lot of industrial and urban terrain, but loving the look of this frontier stuff. Sticking a bunker on top of a platform and on top of that a dish would make for an awesome outpost.
Well, this stuff will sell out on preorder anyway, so no need to rush.
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Post by: JWBS
I'm also a terrain addict, I bought a 3D printer specifically to print my own and stop buying GW stuff but that plan isn't working out at all, I'm still buying endless boxes of terrain.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Add in a couple of the quad auto-cannons from the Aegis Defence Line, and I reckon you could do a pretty decent 40K themed recreation of Planet P you know.
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Post by: BrookM
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Add in a couple of the quad auto-cannons from the Aegis Defence Line, and I reckon you could do a pretty decent 40K themed recreation of Planet P you know.
Doooooooooooooooon't, you're making me dig out WD220 again, my first issue and still my personal favourite, where in the soapbox section Jervis talks about having seen the movie for the second or third time, then goes into recreating it with Guard versus Nids.
feth, you just made me remember that I already scratch-built a twin-linked heavy stubber for just such a thing last year.
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Post by: Oguhmek
Looks ok I guess, although I do prefer my 40K to be more gothic in style.
Which brings me to this: please bring back Sector Imperialis - I missed it the first time and I need those beautiful gothic arches.
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Post by: oni
It looks like the tower and dish can socket into the recessed doors on the landing pad.
I'm curious if there's more than one variation on the wall section.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
 BrookM wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Add in a couple of the quad auto-cannons from the Aegis Defence Line, and I reckon you could do a pretty decent 40K themed recreation of Planet P you know.
Doooooooooooooooon't, you're making me dig out WD220 again, my first issue and still my personal favourite, where in the soapbox section Jervis talks about having seen the movie for the second or third time, then goes into recreating it with Guard versus Nids.
feth, you just made me remember that I already scratch-built a twin-linked heavy stubber for just such a thing last year.
And I bet you can hear a certain ear worm…..
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Post by: kryczek
Nice one, I quite like it and it should fit in with my moonbase klaisus scenery set.
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Post by: tauist
Nice! I saved my mekboy workshop, STC ruins & Octarius terrain in unassembled state for now because I had a hunch we'd be seeing something like this in the near future. It should all mix in neatly together into some nice looking industrial complex type of thing, especially with a bit of Zone Mortalis & Sector Mechanicus stuff thrown in 
Now, all I wanna know is, will we be getting this terrain in the upcoming Kill Team box. If yes, it'll be a must-buy for me.
I know peeps are not feeling it because it doesnt scream "Churches.. in Space!", but I love it precisely because of that. Much more prefer generic looking scifi terrain over that stuff, its the only reason I never bought into Sector Imperialis terrain in the first place. This type of stuff + the manufactorum/vertigus buildings are much more to my liking.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Smack ma heid!
Welcome to my future Ash Wastes outpost.
I am a silly sausage some times.
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Post by: oni
I'm thinking these pieces will nicely complement the Wall of Martyrs scenery.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Unexciting but appropriate.
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Post by: NAVARRO
Best terrain feature is that theres no skulls or Aquilas logos spam! I spend ages trimming that stuff down!
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Sector Frontera works pretty well doing double duty with fallout wasteland warfare and other games as well
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Those walls!
I'd plan to buy 4' of them if I didn't already know it would be cheaper to buy a 3d printer...
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Post by: Jadenim
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:So actual brainy thoughts.
This is….kind of cool, I guess. I’m most visually invested in the ruins and ad mech stuff. I like the sheer scale of it, and it’s gothic hallmarks.
This stuff, for the now, seems a bit generic for my tastes. I mean I do not by any means dislike it. Certainly it’s reminiscent of early 40K homemade terrain, relying as it does on simple geometric shapes.
I think I may properly get invested once I’ve seen a full table of this, and I certainly do appreciate the stylistic variety.
This pretty much sums up my exact thoughts.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Am I crazy or does it look like the opening "hatch" on the landing pad is about the same size as a munitorum container?
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Wait.
Hold on.
Is that guy reaching his sword OVER the security wall?
What is this a security wall for ants?
Well that's $400 saved.
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Post by: Jack Flask
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:Wait.
Hold on.
Is that guy reaching his sword OVER the security wall?
What is this a security wall for ants?
Well that's $400 saved.
Yeah, but you'd still be safe. It's got spikes on it so by video game logic anyone touching it would suffer instant death.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Wait.
Hold on.
Is that guy reaching his sword OVER the security wall?
What is this a security wall for ants?
Well that's $400 saved.
It's not a wall, it's a stockade . It's meant to keep the grox in not genestealers out.
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Post by: krijthebold
He's using his chainsword to trim down the spiky bits, it's about safety!
New idea: Space Marine chapter who do topiary with their chainswords in their down time.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
 krijthebold wrote:He's using his chainsword to trim down the spiky bits, it's about safety!
New idea: Space Marine chapter who do topiary with their chainswords in their down time.
Emperor's Trimmers?
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Post by: krijthebold
Hm, yes. Or perhaps the Shrubbery Angels.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Obviously the Knights of Ni!
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Post by: Oguhmek
Someone is going to lean down to check LOS and poke their eye out on those spikes. I thought GW learned their lesson with that big spikey AOS chaos castle.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
Well this is great The "landing pad" looks like a way to do an old school hill, without making it a series of green flocked platforms 
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
 MajorWesJanson wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote:Wait.
Hold on.
Is that guy reaching his sword OVER the security wall?
What is this a security wall for ants?
Well that's $400 saved.
It's not a wall, it's a stockade . It's meant to keep the grox in not genestealers out.
"Build me a security wall."
"How big we talking boss?"
"I'm thinking something that'll like mildly convenience a potential intruder, as long as he's like not too eager to get in."
"You mean something that might stop a middle school student as long as he's not that good at jumping and doesn't have any friends who can give him a boost?"
"It's like you read my mind."
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Post by: endlesswaltz123
I think I need to see something actually landed on that landing pad, as at the moment it only seems appropriate for a storm talon. I'm sure a Valkyrie or storm raven gunship could fit on it, but if it obscures nearly all of it, is there any point?
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
At least this one has stairs leading up to it.
My problem with the Sky Shield was always that there was no easy way for anyone to get to the ship (yeah there are ladders molded to the supports but not really easy access).
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Post by: Voss
Kid_Kyoto wrote: MajorWesJanson wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote:Wait.
Hold on.
Is that guy reaching his sword OVER the security wall?
What is this a security wall for ants?
Well that's $400 saved.
It's not a wall, it's a stockade . It's meant to keep the grox in not genestealers out.
"Build me a security wall."
"How big we talking boss?"
"I'm thinking something that'll like mildly convenience a potential intruder, as long as he's like not too eager to get in."
"You mean something that might stop a middle school student as long as he's not that good at jumping and doesn't have any friends who can give him a boost?"
"It's like you read my mind."
I grew up on military bases. Its either exactly what you're describing (or less) or chain link fences (which are hard to do well in plastic).
These are taller than the people using them, and have firing slits (which is something I can't say about modern military installations I've seen), so they seem fit to purpose.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Voss wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote: MajorWesJanson wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote:Wait.
Hold on.
Is that guy reaching his sword OVER the security wall?
What is this a security wall for ants?
Well that's $400 saved.
It's not a wall, it's a stockade . It's meant to keep the grox in not genestealers out.
"Build me a security wall."
"How big we talking boss?"
"I'm thinking something that'll like mildly convenience a potential intruder, as long as he's like not too eager to get in."
"You mean something that might stop a middle school student as long as he's not that good at jumping and doesn't have any friends who can give him a boost?"
"It's like you read my mind."
I grew up on military bases. Its either exactly what you're describing (or less) or chain link fences (which are hard to do well in plastic).
These are taller than the people using them, and have firing slits (which is something I can't say about modern military installations I've seen), so they seem fit to purpose.
May wanna check out the posting history of who you're responding to. Jus' sayin'.
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Post by: Voss
Because there are internet wall experts now?
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Post by: Pariah Press
These look pretty nice. More like the kind of buildings you'd see in the old Rogue Trader book than the modern stuff (albeit, clearly not made from food packaging). I'll probably pick up some of them to make a sort of frontier town.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Voss wrote:Because there are internet wall experts now?
Yes, but it turns out they were running a crowd funding scam instead.
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Post by: Quasistellar
This looks pretty great. I’m probably done buying gw terrain though in the era of 3d printers
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Post by: Da Butcha
I'm just happy NONE of it is ruined! That's right! Look at it! It's all in lovely, pre-battle condition! You know it's a frontier because it's not a shell-blasted craphole yet.
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Post by: FabricatorGeneralMike
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Those walls! I'd plan to buy 4' of them if I didn't already know it would be cheaper to buy a 3d printer...
Pretty much this. If someone made this in 3d print and made a STL of it people would be like " meh its alright but its not GW" or if someone scratched built it it would look fantastic. But as a plastic terrain set, its kinda Meh.
I really miss people building their own terrain. I know it's been a great move for GW making terrain, but I miss that aspect of the hobby. I really miss the old GW store terrain when it was made by someone who cared and gave a feth. Now it's all "if it's not on the shelf we can't sell it in the store". That's the same reasoning they had back in the day about FW stuff, it's technically GW product but not readily available so it was a no go.
It's nice but kinda lazy and safe design is my TL;DR
Edit oh yeah and yes it not being in ruins is a HUGE bonus GW.
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Post by: Racerguy180
I've been waiting for them to do more Fronteris scenery. I like it and want to use it for my Necromunda Ashe Waste board.
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Post by: Stormonu
I guess Rampart has GW running scared.
Don't like the looks of this terrain though. The radar looks like it was made from an erector set and the "bunker" is boring.
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Post by: alphaecho
 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote:Those walls! I'd plan to buy 4' of them if I didn't already know it would be cheaper to buy a 3d printer...
Pretty much this. If someone made this in 3d print and made a STL of it people would be like " meh its alright but its not GW" or if someone scratched built it it would look fantastic. But as a plastic terrain set, its kinda Meh.
I really miss people building their own terrain. I know it's been a great move for GW making terrain, but I miss that aspect of the hobby. I really miss the old GW store terrain when it was made by someone who cared and gave a feth. Now it's all "if it's not on the shelf we can't sell it in the store". That's the same reasoning they had back in the day about FW stuff, it's technically GW product but not readily available so it was a no go.
It's nice but kinda lazy and safe design is my TL;DR
Edit oh yeah and yes it not being in ruins is a HUGE bonus GW.
I still have the templates from White Dwarf for the small emplacements with the connecting walkway. I made some back in the day from cereal boxes and it was quite fun to put them together in different combinations and add towers but it was always the time and trying to convince partners that the boxes were being hoarded for a perfectly valid reason...
I do still hoard the 2nd Ed card bunker from WD 169 as well.
As for the wall, maybe it's a repurposed garden wall. A 40K version of a white picket fence outside a pioneers log cabin. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Stormonu wrote:I guess Rampart has GW running scared.
Don't like the looks of this terrain though. The radar looks like it was made from an erector set and the "bunker" is boring.
The bunker being boring doesn't bother me. Like the Rhino, something that can be churned out in large numbers with no fanciness
I am not a fan of that radar tower though.
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Post by: Rolsheen
Landing pad? I thought it was a missile silo with that top hatch
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Post by: beast_gts
 Rolsheen wrote:Landing pad? I thought it was a missile silo with that top hatch
They specifically call it a landing pad:
comes with a Landing Pad, a Vox-Antenna, and an Auspex Shrine
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Hope the set has more than that, like a full thing of walls and the main Fronteris hab building.
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Post by: Dudeface
Stormonu wrote:I guess Rampart has GW running scared.
Don't like the looks of this terrain though. The radar looks like it was made from an erector set and the "bunker" is boring.
In the UK Rampart is no cheaper, if not more expensive and imo doesn't really look any better than some of the GW offerings. If some of the high quality MDF terrain hasn't scared them by being easier to assemble and much cheaper, I don't know that another plastic company has.
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Post by: beast_gts
 H.B.M.C. wrote:Hope the set has more than that, like a full thing of walls and the main Fronteris hab building.
It includes STC Hab-Bunkers, a Landing Pad, Vox-Antenna, Auspex Shrine, plus a selection of stockades, and will soon be available as a complete battlezone and in a variety of smaller kits.
I think the " STC Hab-Bunkers" are the Fronteris buildings
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Post by: lord_blackfang
The Fronteris building is literally in the slideshow gallery.
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Post by: Crimson
I assume this will be on sale for couple of months and then will vanish without an explanation.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I more meant included in the bundle.  Crimson wrote:I assume this will be on sale for couple of months and then will vanish without an explanation.
It's GW terrain. That's a given.
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Post by: Geifer
I like it. Cool stuff.
beast_gts wrote: Rolsheen wrote:Landing pad? I thought it was a missile silo with that top hatch
They specifically call it a landing pad:
comes with a Landing Pad, a Vox-Antenna, and an Auspex Shrine
Honestly? I thought it was an entrance to an underground facility and was confused at first when people talked about a landing pad since I didn't see one in the pictures posted on the first page.
Even now I don't think you'll land anything bigger than a jetbike on it.
Names aside, it's a pretty cool terrain piece, though.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Crimson wrote:I assume this will be on sale for couple of months and then will vanish without an explanation.
It's GW terrain. That's a given.
Can't you guys let us live in a happy fantasy at least for a while? Like, until stuff actually gets released. Or five minutes later when the panic buying starts?
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Post by: beast_gts
 Geifer wrote:I thought it was an entrance to an underground facility and was confused at first when people talked about a landing pad since I didn't see one in the pictures posted on the first page.
I thought the same, but reading the article it looks like an entrance to a cargo hold:
Fronteris Landing Pad has Hidden Supplies ability, which lets your troops raid its cargo holds for ammo and gubbins to give them the edge in a firefight.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Crimson wrote:I assume this will be on sale for couple of months and then will vanish without an explanation.
Oh noes! I'd better buy 5 RIGHT NOW! 
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Post by: Crimson
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Crimson wrote:I assume this will be on sale for couple of months and then will vanish without an explanation.
Oh noes! I'd better buy 5 RIGHT NOW!
It probably works exactly like that for some people. Personally, the effect has been opposite. I usually cannot or want not to invest a huge amount of money in terrain at once, and I'd like to build a collection over time. But I'd also want my table to have a coherent theme. But as the terrain keeps vanishing, reliably collecting a table's worth of terrain in one style over a longer period of time is not possible. So I am not going to start.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Geifer wrote:I like it. Cool stuff.
beast_gts wrote: Rolsheen wrote:Landing pad? I thought it was a missile silo with that top hatch
They specifically call it a landing pad:
comes with a Landing Pad, a Vox-Antenna, and an Auspex Shrine
Honestly? I thought it was an entrance to an underground facility and was confused at first when people talked about a landing pad since I didn't see one in the pictures posted on the first page.
Even now I don't think you'll land anything bigger than a jetbike on it.
Names aside, it's a pretty cool terrain piece, though.
Someone pointed out that the door seems to be the size of one of the Munitorium Containers and I'm convinced it's less a "landing pad" and more a "supply drop point" for colonies. A cargo lander flies over with an under carried container, doors open, and the container is lowered onto a lift platform that takes the container into an underground storage. The rule above further supports this idea.
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Post by: Geifer
We're talking about this, right?
Being large enough to fit this?
Not sure I'm seeing it. Dropped down door first maybe if the width matches, but I it looks like the container is longer than the door in the landing pad.
Just going off base sizes, though. I don't have first hand experience with the containers.
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Post by: Illumini
The walls are a bit low and the spikes are a bit silly, but it is a very good terrain feature that has been missing. Hoping it comes in a separate box with a decent price per inch of walls. Mounting it on some foamboard for extra height will probably take it up a good notch.
The fronteris building is ace, and can be built up to a larger hab-block with some ingenuity. Good to have some more civilian style buildings as well as the industrial / administrative versions.
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Post by: Gimgamgoo
I thought the shape of the roof door seemed to match the base of the radar dish piece so they could be put together.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Maybe the dish piece fits in that hatch area on the landing pad?
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Post by: Oguhmek
Hmm, at first I was a bit skeptical about this "bunker" because it looks too low to be an effective LOS blocker (would only block small infantry, not vehicles), but combined with a stack of containers it maybe would work pretty well.
By themselves, containers need to be stacked 3 high to properly block LOS, and that becomes rather unstable, but with this one you maybe only need 2 layers of containers.
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Post by: tauist
 NAVARRO wrote:Best terrain feature is that theres no skulls or Aquilas logos spam! I spend ages trimming that stuff down!
This guy gets it
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Post by: Altruizine
 Illumini wrote:
The fronteris building is ace, and can be built up to a larger hab-block with some ingenuity. Good to have some more civilian style buildings as well as the industrial / administrative versions.
It takes a hell of a lot more than ingenuity, tbh. You'd need to do some pretty brutal hacking or sawing -- with precision -- and then put it all back together again -- with precision -- and patch up the scars.
Source: I bought the Kill Team terrain set with 1x intact buildings and multiple ruins and turned it into 2x intact buildings.
They could have made this a pretty fantastic modular set if they'd planned it out from the beginning, basically by separating the "wall" sections from the "corner" sections.
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Post by: Albino Squirrel
Some intact buildings like might be useful for something like Five Parsecs From Home in a 40K setting.
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Post by: Rolsheen
Was there a release date for these?
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Post by: Geifer
No actual release date. Just this:
It will be released later in the year as part of the host of releases that will make up this season of Warhammer 40,000.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/17/seek-shelter-and-send-an-sos-with-this-multipurpose-new-battlezone-fronteris-terrain/
So presumably any time in the next six months, which doesn't really narrow it down.
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Post by: beast_gts
So the Hab-Bunker fits on top of the Landing Pad? Interesting...
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Post by: Shakalooloo
beast_gts wrote:So the Hab-Bunker fits on top of the Landing Pad? Interesting...
Looks like the antenna can as well!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The stockade walls are interesting, especially with the way the corners work and, I presume, those joiner bits that allow you to make them go flush against the hab block walls.
Of course this means I'm going to need a lot more red paint.
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Post by: Aeneades
From the earlier photos it also looked like the Radar slots in.
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Post by: JWBS
I'm less enthused than I was initially. I like the new board and the stockades, but the antenna and radar and landing pad I can do without, plus I have plenty of bunkers already, I'll skip this.
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Post by: Toofast
Rihgu wrote:Interesting that the landing pad is apparently obscuring, and that they think the antennae platform is "perfect for blocking line of sight"? Whoever wrote that isn't really clear on how LoS works in 40k, I guess.
You think people writing marketing material for the game should have a basic understanding of how said game actually works? I got some bad news for you buddy...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Toofast wrote:You think people writing marketing material for the game should have a basic understanding of how said game actually works? I got some bad news for you buddy...
Well the people writing the game don't have a basic understanding of how the game works, so the marketing team's got no hope!
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
No prices yet right?
Not that I need to buy these mind you, just for academic curiosity. Really.
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Post by: DaveC
Kid_Kyoto wrote:No prices yet right?
Not that I need to buy these mind you, just for academic curiosity. Really.
Battlezone: Fronteris – Nachmund £135 €175
Vox Antenna and Auspex Shrine £42.50 €55
Hab-Bunkers and Stockades. £50 €65
Landing Pad £42.50 €55
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Jesus Christ that's more than what I paid for my last printer.
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Post by: tauist
So the big box value is almost 240€? That would sound like a good deal, if those prices weren't outrageous to begin with.
I hope this box aint gonna go OOP anytime soon, can't afford it right now with HH 2.0 coming up and everything..
Compared to this, that recent Zone Mortalis & Gang Stronghold bundle is starting to sound like a great deal.
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Post by: tneva82
Seeing it's product for this season one would presume they want it on reasonably within this season period and the half the year isn't that much longer left. Surprisingly late release rather.
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Post by: BrookM
Shipping delays or something wasn't it?
May pick up one or two items from the range, but as is, already have way too much unpainted terrain lying about. 
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Hey-zeus Chris-toe... that is not cheap.
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Post by: Illumini
Expensive, but good content, will probably shell out for one set
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Post by: RazorEdge
Looks good for HH,
and better fitting than that Stuff for Necromunda Ash Waste.
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Post by: Albertorius
Wow, I'm glad I don't like those one bit.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
 DaveC wrote:
Battlezone: Fronteris – Nachmund £135 €175
Vox Antenna and Auspex Shrine £42.50 €55
Hab-Bunkers and Stockades. £50 €65
Landing Pad £42.50 €55
Bunker and Stockade box might be work getting multiples of.
So nice to see non-ruined buildings in 40k.
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Post by: The Phazer
The box is about what I expected to be honest.
I will probably pick one up, I've got stacks of ruins and that complete Sector Frontieris from Kill Team and these will complement those nicely.
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Post by: Geifer
Is 175€ the new price point for what used to be 160€ big boxes? Seems like that would be in line with the percentile increase GW advertised, if I remember correctly. I like the terrain, but that's an awfully big number.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
My local group thinks it's a good deal for the amount you get. I have to admit the 30x44 board looks well covered. But I'd personally rather save for a second Ash Wastes.
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Post by: Oguhmek
Ok, now GW covers all the basic types of terrain - Sector Fronteris is intact buildings/hills/walls, Sector Imperialis is ruins and Sector Mechanicus is platforms/woods.
There are plenty of barricades spread out in different kits, so now all we miss is a good, official set of craters, I guess?
Oh and most of the Sector Imperialis stuff, which seems to be OOP, which is a shame.
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Post by: RazorEdge
wrong thread
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Post by: Dysartes
Some form of river/water, too, Oghumek?
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Post by: tneva82
That would be fun. Terrain with no real impact on game.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Kid_Kyoto wrote: DaveC wrote:
Battlezone: Fronteris – Nachmund £135 €175
Vox Antenna and Auspex Shrine £42.50 €55
Hab-Bunkers and Stockades. £50 €65
Landing Pad £42.50 €55
Bunker and Stockade box might be work getting multiples of.
So nice to see non-ruined buildings in 40k.
I’m getting faint Anphelion complex vibes from this stuff.
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Post by: gungo
Kid_Kyoto wrote: DaveC wrote:
Battlezone: Fronteris – Nachmund £135 €175
Vox Antenna and Auspex Shrine £42.50 €55
Hab-Bunkers and Stockades. £50 €65
Landing Pad £42.50 €55
Bunker and Stockade box might be work getting multiples of.
So nice to see non-ruined buildings in 40k.
U essentially get 2x bunker and stockade boxes in the big box..
The individual boxes are insanely high priced.
I’m hoping the battlezone fronteris box isn’t limited at that reduced price point but even that is just really expensive for what you get… and yes that zone mortalis box of terrain pre-price increase was a good price.
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Post by: Altruizine
 Oguhmek wrote:Ok, now GW covers all the basic types of terrain - Sector Fronteris is intact buildings/hills/walls, Sector Imperialis is ruins and Sector Mechanicus is platforms/woods.
There are plenty of barricades spread out in different kits, so now all we miss is a good, official set of craters, I guess?
Oh and most of the Sector Imperialis stuff, which seems to be OOP, which is a shame.
GW has a hill kit?
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Post by: lord_blackfang
gungo wrote: I’m hoping the battlezone fronteris box isn’t limited at that reduced price point.
Battlezone Charadon lasted a while and is still languishing in stores worldwide.
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Post by: Geifer
 Altruizine wrote: Oguhmek wrote:Ok, now GW covers all the basic types of terrain - Sector Fronteris is intact buildings/hills/walls, Sector Imperialis is ruins and Sector Mechanicus is platforms/woods.
There are plenty of barricades spread out in different kits, so now all we miss is a good, official set of craters, I guess?
Oh and most of the Sector Imperialis stuff, which seems to be OOP, which is a shame.
GW has a hill kit?
I think the idea is that the landing pad is functionally a hill, even if it's a structure.
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Post by: The Black Adder
 lord_blackfang wrote:gungo wrote:
I’m hoping the battlezone fronteris box isn’t limited at that reduced price point.
Battlezone Charadon lasted a while and is still languishing in stores worldwide.
That box included nothing new though. It also didn't include any of the walkways, just pipes, so it wasn't a great set. This box looks a lot more promising though.
I'll probably try to grab one but I don't think I could justify the individual kit prices.
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Post by: Flinty
Altruizine wrote: Oguhmek wrote:Ok, now GW covers all the basic types of terrain - Sector Fronteris is intact buildings/hills/walls, Sector Imperialis is ruins and Sector Mechanicus is platforms/woods.
There are plenty of barricades spread out in different kits, so now all we miss is a good, official set of craters, I guess?
Oh and most of the Sector Imperialis stuff, which seems to be OOP, which is a shame.
GW has a hill kit?
Surely there is a joke in there about dying on GW hills, but I can’t quite get a decent one straight in my head 
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Intact buildings are also hills, or at least the low Fronteris style buildings are. Putting an intact building on top of the landing pad makes it a tiered hill 
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Post by: jullevi
Yikes, that is hefty price tag. Certainly more than 10% over previous two Battlezones. Closer to +33% compared to Battlezone: Charadon in EUR.
I am seriously considering painting some of my previous scenery before buying more. Of course I am not going to do it, but I am considering.
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Post by: Altruizine
Geifer wrote: Altruizine wrote: Oguhmek wrote:Ok, now GW covers all the basic types of terrain - Sector Fronteris is intact buildings/hills/walls, Sector Imperialis is ruins and Sector Mechanicus is platforms/woods.
There are plenty of barricades spread out in different kits, so now all we miss is a good, official set of craters, I guess?
Oh and most of the Sector Imperialis stuff, which seems to be OOP, which is a shame.
GW has a hill kit?
I think the idea is that the landing pad is functionally a hill, even if it's a structure.
chaos0xomega wrote:Intact buildings are also hills, or at least the low Fronteris style buildings are. Putting an intact building on top of the landing pad makes it a tiered hill
Ahhh, I see what they meant now, thanks.
It's been a while since I've played 40K, and even longer since I played an edition of 40K with functional terrain rules, but in those days a hill would have still been a little different from a low structure (at least after I changed my building style from tiered hills to more scenic, naturally sloping hills). In that paradigm a hill would offer three potential conditions to a model that was shorter than it -- completely behind it/out of LOS, traveling up the hill and able to acquire LOS while in cover, or on top of the hill/on the downslope and uncoved/in LOS. A low building only offers the first and third of those conditions (unless it has elevated details to stand models on around its outline).
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
GW hill kit
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Sooo the local club made a decision. Instead of 3 Fronteris sets we're getting 2 large format FDM printers for the same money.
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Post by: Flinty
Cool. What version?
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Post by: No One Important
Huh. The little connector clip pieces to connect the stockade walls to the buildings were clever enough to sell me on buying the big box until I saw the price. Landing pad is too small for anything to land on anyway.
Shame, really. I was quite excited about intact buildings and wanted to show GW with my wallet so they made more in the future. Just not so excited that it would cut into my "heck yeah non-primaris space marines!" budget.
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Post by: Marshal Loss
Oguhmek wrote:Oh and most of the Sector Imperialis stuff, which seems to be OOP, which is a shame.
I'm hoping the Sector Imperialis stuff gets a proper re-release. Was tempted to buy a few sets of Killzone Chalnath but reluctant to do so when so many of the kits are OOP
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Post by: chaos0xomega
If the previous edition of Kill Team is any indication, the other Sector Imperialis sub-sectors will get their own separate inclusions in future Kill Team boxes or Warzone terrain sets.
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Post by: Racerguy180
An Arvus seems about the right size but a Valkyrie might look weird. It would make sense that the skyshield is for anything larger than an Arvus.
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Post by: The Black Adder
chaos0xomega wrote:If the previous edition of Kill Team is any indication, the other Sector Imperialis sub-sectors will get their own separate inclusions in future Kill Team boxes or Warzone terrain sets.
Yeah, I'm hoping for another mechanicus sector release with a manufactorum sunctum adminstratus or two.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Anycubic Mega X, they're only about 230€ right now for a foot by foot plate.
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Post by: Flinty
Racerguy180 wrote:
An Arvus seems about the right size but a Valkyrie might look weird. It would make sense that the skyshield is for anything larger than an Arvus.
Is it big enough to fit a munitorum container so you can mock up an ISSAPC style cargo docking from a lifter chassis?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
New article up. Seems the designers were Richard Butler and Dave Andrews. Some pictures: Now someone go and try to tell me that 9th isn't Tournament Edition 40k.
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Post by: Geifer
Yoink!
I'm seeing the frontier town ranch, but where's the livestock? Hm, GW? Where are the grox models?
Lazy bums, releasing Eldar models nobody* asked for when they could have made space cattle instead.
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Post by: The Phazer
Grox? Just take the giant flea things from Necromunda :-)
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Post by: Geifer
Yeah, I think we need a higher fence for that.
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Post by: krijthebold
Ok, but I actually want Grox.
Eliminate a faction and give me space cows.
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Post by: Toofast
lord_blackfang wrote:gungo wrote:
I’m hoping the battlezone fronteris box isn’t limited at that reduced price point.
Battlezone Charadon lasted a while and is still languishing in stores worldwide.
Yup, my local Warhammer has a few of them, FLGS has 1 as well. Maybe they'll produce less of this new one because of it, but who knows with GW
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I wrote rule for Grox once for one of the 40k RPGs. I gave them a special rule that they were especially tasty.
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Post by: GaroRobe
You know, if GW still produced it, the ambull would fit nicely in there.
Sure it's massive, it can tunnel underground, and even just smash through the walls, but man is it tasty
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Post by: Strg Alt
Those look more like D&D Bulettes.
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Post by: Stevefamine
Doesnt really look very "GW"
I like the sat dish and the barricades. I want to buy it but I have similar enough terrain. Iffy
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Post by: beast_gts
They're live on the GW NZ site:
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Post by: The Red Hobbit
I really like the look of the spiky fence/wall, although a grox model would really top it all off. Kid_Kyoto's suggestion for the Reaper bones Bulettes is a good sub in though!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 feth me dead... look at them Kiwi prices!!! Vertigus was AUD$250. With the 10% price increase that terrain got all over the world, that should make this box AUD$270. The NZ Price is $445, which is AUD$410 (!!!). Even if it's the price of a Super-Giant - AUD$320 - that's still a significant jump. [EDIT]: Jesus H. Christ... it's AUD$370. AUD$520 to buy all the components separately.
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Post by: Marshal Loss
Oooof, $370 AUD. No thanks
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Post by: Miguelsan
Those prices are going to bite them on the ass. Recently I backed a KS that offered STLs for bunkers and defensive walls. It cost me 24$. It's not all that detailed compàred to the Fronteris but for that price I can buy a filament printer, and print as much terrain as I want.
GW might have the advantage of quality when talking about figures still, but that terrain it's not worth IMHO those prices.
M.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Thank the Emperor for 20% off and $150 in store credit. But for everyone else, man, that is... that is one hell of a price. Vertigus was $250. Two-fifty??? What the feth happened in two years to make GW think that a 48% price increase on big terrain boxes was perfectly fine. It only gets worse when you consider the type of terrain GW is bringing out these days - completely non-modular affairs, all starting with 9th and the terrain that arrived around the time of the Indomitus box - are inferior to the Sector Mechanicus and Sector Imperalis kits they did release (and, in the case of the Sector Imperialis kits, mostly took off the market without warning - those big statues go for a mint on eBay these days!). How this can be AUD$120, just $5 shy of this (a fully modular kit with endless customisation) just boggles my mind. How this, this time AUD$140, can only be fifty shy of this (already very expensive) modular building kit doesn't make any sense. And then there's this (certainly clunky), but significantly larger kit:  Compare that to the small size of the new "landing pad":  How is this new one AUD$120 but the old one AUD$69??? I consider myself very fortunate to be in a position where I can get these things (but if I didn't have that store credit, this would be a different conversation entirely), but for anyone else especially new players, this kind of pricing eco-system is just not conducive to bringing in new people. They are creating further barriers to entry. WintersSEO brings this up in his videos from time to time, how 8th saw a massive expansion of people as the game became easier to get into, and how 9th has been pissing that away with over-complicated rules, endlessly layered rules, and more and more pathetic tiny DLC books that cost as much as a regular book that make new people coming into the hobby go "Oh, really, I need all that?". Seems GW wants to further add to this barrier by pricing their terrain to the fething moon. It's not evil, it's just stupid.
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Post by: Miguelsan
Add to that the fact that "Japan is different" (sic) so Japanese customers will have to wait several months for the set to be available here, probably at a higher price due to rampart inflation.
M.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Yeah, Japan and NZ (I think...) pay an even higher price for this.
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Post by: Gordy2000
Yeah, given the relative exchange rate between NZ and Oz, that pricing differential is outrageous.
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Post by: jullevi
These kits are horribly overpriced in all regions. They are such a simple kits that they should be priced at beginner-friendly level, something that you could start your own scenery collection with.
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Post by: tauist
I got a stupid, expensive idea - Could you get four of these bits to act as corner pillars for a Skyshield platform?
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Post by: Brickfix
With a bit of foam and plaster I can make a cooler looking rock formation for a fraction of the price. I'll pass these :/
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Post by: Oguhmek
Yeah, these kits looked a bit interesting, but man, the price... It's just not worth it, sorry to say.
I fear they'll bring back the Sector Imperialis ruins eventually.
At twice the original price.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Made to Order Cities of Death, at $50 a sprue...
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Post by: Geifer
H.B.M.C. wrote:What the feth happened in two years to make GW think that a 48% price increase on big terrain boxes was perfectly fine.
They increased prices ahead of Brexit to cover the fallout of the worst case scenario, increased prices after Brexit to cover the same fallout again, saw the shipping and raw material issues due to the pandemic eat into their profits and increased prices for to cover the worst projections for that, and then...
The mystery ingredient! They're wildly successful. They have their customers hooked and increased prices to profit from it while it lasts.
I said when AoS bombed upon release and some people were gloomy about what that meant for GW's future that for us, the customers, that's no big deal because they have every incentive to get out of the mess they got themselves into. Where it becomes problematic for the customer is if GW is successful, because they'll do whatever they can get away with, which is a lot due to customer satisfaction, and with no regard for customer opinion. At least in the short term. And here we are.
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Post by: Crimson
H.B.M.C. wrote:What the feth happened in two years to make GW think that a 48% price increase on big terrain boxes was perfectly fine.
Customers keeping buying them?
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Post by: Strg Alt
Crimson wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:What the feth happened in two years to make GW think that a 48% price increase on big terrain boxes was perfectly fine.
Customers keeping buying them?
Whale hunting is more profitable than to entertain beggars.
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Post by: The Black Adder
Well maybe it's more expensive than I'd like (but what isn't), I've ordered the bundle set for £108 from element.
I like the fronteris terrain and the radio and dish will make good narrative objectives so I'm happy enough.
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Post by: Ragweek
H.B.M.C. wrote:Thank the Emperor for 20% off and $150 in store credit.
But for everyone else, man, that is... that is one hell of a price.
Vertigus was $250. Two-fifty??? What the feth happened in two years to make GW think that a 48% price increase on big terrain boxes was perfectly fine. It only gets worse when you consider the type of terrain GW is bringing out these days - completely non-modular affairs, all starting with 9th and the terrain that arrived around the time of the Indomitus box - are inferior to the Sector Mechanicus and Sector Imperalis kits they did release (and, in the case of the Sector Imperialis kits, mostly took off the market without warning - those big statues go for a mint on eBay these days!).
How this can be AUD$120, just $5 shy of this (a fully modular kit with endless customisation) just boggles my mind.
How this, this time AUD$140, can only be fifty shy of this (already very expensive) modular building kit doesn't make any sense.
And then there's this (certainly clunky), but significantly larger kit:
Compare that to the small size of the new "landing pad":
How is this new one AUD$120 but the old one AUD$69???
I consider myself very fortunate to be in a position where I can get these things (but if I didn't have that store credit, this would be a different conversation entirely), but for anyone else especially new players, this kind of pricing eco-system is just not conducive to bringing in new people. They are creating further barriers to entry.
WintersSEO brings this up in his videos from time to time, how 8th saw a massive expansion of people as the game became easier to get into, and how 9th has been pissing that away with over-complicated rules, endlessly layered rules, and more and more pathetic tiny DLC books that cost as much as a regular book that make new people coming into the hobby go "Oh, really, I need all that?".
Seems GW wants to further add to this barrier by pricing their terrain to the fething moon.
It's not evil, it's just stupid.
"not evil, it's just stupid.""
If your right, it will not sell and they will have been stupid. However this set looks much better than the old one you linked. I have my set on pre order.
I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events. Please just change the record.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ragweek wrote:I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.
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Post by: Platuan4th
H.B.M.C. wrote:Ragweek wrote:I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.
This. The fethed up pricing structure has nothing to do with "current events" and everything to do with not wanting to have to adjust prices for actual exchange rates among other things.
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Post by: Ragweek
 Platuan4th wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Ragweek wrote:I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.
This. The fethed up pricing structure has nothing to do with "current events" and everything to do with not wanting to have to adjust prices for actual exchange rates among other things.
"Terrible excuse " = highest inflation figures the world has seen on the last 30 years?
Yeah .... OK then.
As for exchange rates, bloody hell there is so much more than just that. Like import tarrifs and shipping costs for a start.
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Post by: Albertorius
H.B.M.C. wrote:What the feth happened in two years to make GW think that a 48% price increase on big terrain boxes was perfectly fine.
The Black Adder wrote:Well maybe it's more expensive than I'd like (but what isn't), I've ordered the bundle set for £108 from element.
I like the fronteris terrain and the radio and dish will make good narrative objectives so I'm happy enough.
This. This is what happened.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
Ragweek wrote: Platuan4th wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Ragweek wrote:I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.
This. The fethed up pricing structure has nothing to do with "current events" and everything to do with not wanting to have to adjust prices for actual exchange rates among other things.
"Terrible excuse " = highest inflation figures the world has seen on the last 30 years?
Woah I didn't know that Inflation reached 30% yearly, the British economy must be in shambles.
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Post by: Ragweek
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Ragweek wrote: Platuan4th wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Ragweek wrote:I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.
This. The fethed up pricing structure has nothing to do with "current events" and everything to do with not wanting to have to adjust prices for actual exchange rates among other things.
"Terrible excuse " = highest inflation figures the world has seen on the last 30 years?
Woah I didn't know that Inflation reached 30% yearly, the British economy must be in shambles.
logic would dictate that it must be just the polish education system that's a shambles. I said the inflation was the highest levels on 30 years. Not 30%! I know energy costs are going up over 50% though. But hey, I'm not going to twist statistics to suit my argument.
However last I heard that the British economy was expected to bounce back more quickly than the g7 rivals. Gw pricing must be effective 
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
Ragweek wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Ragweek wrote: Platuan4th wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Ragweek wrote:I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.
This. The fethed up pricing structure has nothing to do with "current events" and everything to do with not wanting to have to adjust prices for actual exchange rates among other things.
"Terrible excuse " = highest inflation figures the world has seen on the last 30 years?
Woah I didn't know that Inflation reached 30% yearly, the British economy must be in shambles.
logic would dictate that it must be just the polish education system that's a shambles. I said the inflation was the highest levels on 30 years. Not 30%! I know energy costs are going up over 50% though. But hey, I'm not going to twist statistics to suit my argument.
Well then from this response of yours, one must deduct that the UK school system must not be particularly good at teaching reading comprehension, thus let me explain in a way more suited to a person like you.
Since inflation is supposed to explain why GW prices rise by so much and so quickly, then obviously it must be around 30%, given that is by how much certain kits rose in price recently.
And on the topic of "current events" - please, do tell me what is so unique about Games Workshop, that they seem to be the most affected of all miniature manufacturers? There's a lot of them that haven't had a single price increase in the past 3 years or so, while GW has been rising prices practically yearly.
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Post by: Ragweek
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Ragweek wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Ragweek wrote: Platuan4th wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Ragweek wrote:I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.
This. The fethed up pricing structure has nothing to do with "current events" and everything to do with not wanting to have to adjust prices for actual exchange rates among other things.
"Terrible excuse " = highest inflation figures the world has seen on the last 30 years?
Woah I didn't know that Inflation reached 30% yearly, the British economy must be in shambles.
logic would dictate that it must be just the polish education system that's a shambles. I said the inflation was the highest levels on 30 years. Not 30%! I know energy costs are going up over 50% though. But hey, I'm not going to twist statistics to suit my argument.
Well then from this response of yours, one must deduct that the UK school system must not be particularly good at teaching reading comprehension, thus let me explain in a way more suited to a person like you.
Since inflation is supposed to explain why GW prices rise by so much and so quickly, then obviously it must be around 30%, given that is by how much certain kits rose in price recently.
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And on the topic of "current events" - please, do tell me what is so unique about Games Workshop, that they seem to be the most affected of all miniature manufacturers? There's a lot of them that haven't had a single price increase in the past 3 years or so, while GW has been rising prices practically yearly.
Inflation is far more dynamic than what your suggesting. That boxset just came out. A mostly brand new kit. It never went up by 30% . It is 30% more than a repackaged older kit. Not sure if your heard of economics but you've just murdered it.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
Ragweek wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Ragweek wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Ragweek wrote: Platuan4th wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Ragweek wrote:I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.
This. The fethed up pricing structure has nothing to do with "current events" and everything to do with not wanting to have to adjust prices for actual exchange rates among other things.
"Terrible excuse " = highest inflation figures the world has seen on the last 30 years?
Woah I didn't know that Inflation reached 30% yearly, the British economy must be in shambles.
logic would dictate that it must be just the polish education system that's a shambles. I said the inflation was the highest levels on 30 years. Not 30%! I know energy costs are going up over 50% though. But hey, I'm not going to twist statistics to suit my argument.
Well then from this response of yours, one must deduct that the UK school system must not be particularly good at teaching reading comprehension, thus let me explain in a way more suited to a person like you.
Since inflation is supposed to explain why GW prices rise by so much and so quickly, then obviously it must be around 30%, given that is by how much certain kits rose in price recently.
And on the topic of "current events" - please, do tell me what is so unique about Games Workshop, that they seem to be the most affected of all miniature manufacturers? There's a lot of them that haven't had a single price increase in the past 3 years or so, while GW has been rising prices practically yearly.
Inflation is far more dynamic than what your suggesting. That boxset just came out. A mostly brand new kit. It never went up by 30% . It is 30% more than a repackaged older kit. Not sure if your heard of economics but you've just murdered it
I am glad you ignored the entirety of my post that you couldn't misrepresent to fit your agenda. It truly showcases you as a person with a lot of arguments to back up their claims.
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Post by: Flinty
Can you take your bickering somewhere else please. It’s just embarrassing to watch.
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Post by: Ragweek
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Ragweek wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Ragweek wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Ragweek wrote: Platuan4th wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Ragweek wrote:I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.
This. The fethed up pricing structure has nothing to do with "current events" and everything to do with not wanting to have to adjust prices for actual exchange rates among other things.
"Terrible excuse " = highest inflation figures the world has seen on the last 30 years?
Woah I didn't know that Inflation reached 30% yearly, the British economy must be in shambles.
logic would dictate that it must be just the polish education system that's a shambles. I said the inflation was the highest levels on 30 years. Not 30%! I know energy costs are going up over 50% though. But hey, I'm not going to twist statistics to suit my argument.
Well then from this response of yours, one must deduct that the UK school system must not be particularly good at teaching reading comprehension, thus let me explain in a way more suited to a person like you.
Since inflation is supposed to explain why GW prices rise by so much and so quickly, then obviously it must be around 30%, given that is by how much certain kits rose in price recently.
And on the topic of "current events" - please, do tell me what is so unique about Games Workshop, that they seem to be the most affected of all miniature manufacturers? There's a lot of them that haven't had a single price increase in the past 3 years or so, while GW has been rising prices practically yearly.
Inflation is far more dynamic than what your suggesting. That boxset just came out. A mostly brand new kit. It never went up by 30% . It is 30% more than a repackaged older kit. Not sure if your heard of economics but you've just murdered it
I am glad you ignored the entirety of my post that you couldn't misrepresent to fit your agenda. It truly showcases you as a person with a lot of arguments to back up their claims.
I don't have to due to your doing exactly that. Gw have not raised the price of all there miniatures every year. Some items went up by a lower amount. You just cherry picked.
Other manufacturers have had some very big rises too.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
 Flinty wrote:Can you take your bickering somewhere else please. It’s just embarrassing to watch.
Best post I've seen on this site for a long time, can't exalt it hard enough
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Post by: judgedoug
I'm very happy that the Fronteris Future Old West Gothic building is finally being released - I almost bought a second and third Killzone Fronteris for a long time, but couldn't justify buying a whole Killzone box just to get the one building. With this new big box, I'll have three of those, along with all the other cool bits, to finish up my Future Old West Gothic board I've been waiting to do!
Absolutely perfect for Kill Team 2 and Inquisitor. Preordered thru Ministomp already!
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Post by: KillerAngel
I hate myself for having bought it, but I only did so because I got it 28% off MSRP. These prices are definitely getting unsustainable.
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Post by: drbored
 judgedoug wrote:I'm very happy that the Fronteris Future Old West Gothic building is finally being released - I almost bought a second and third Killzone Fronteris for a long time, but couldn't justify buying a whole Killzone box just to get the one building. With this new big box, I'll have three of those, along with all the other cool bits, to finish up my Future Old West Gothic board I've been waiting to do!
Absolutely perfect for Kill Team 2 and Inquisitor. Preordered thru Ministomp already!
Could also be really good for Necromunda Ash Wastes.
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Post by: gungo
KillerAngel wrote:I hate myself for having bought it, but I only did so because I got it 28% off MSRP. These prices are definitely getting unsustainable.
Pm me where you got it 28% off in US… wow
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Post by: Da Butcha
I like this terrain; I really, really do. I like the fact that it's not ruined, that it looks like something you might actually have as an objective, that it looks like stuff that is actually important to an army, rather than a clock with skulls or a blown up factory wall.
But the price vs. the complexity is what is really killing me. You build this box, that box, and these walls. You build this thing and that thing. THAT'S IT.
Zone Mortalis/Sector Mechanicus isn't cheap, but it has SO MUCH modularity. So much creativity that you can unleash. You can build it a million different ways, or you can build it modular and construct it a different way each game.
But a new player may not want all that complexity. Opening a box full of plastic and seeing eighty billion bits to clip off and half of them with variant placements. A box of terrain with one clear, simple build is great for them.
This stuff is ideal, IDEAL starter terrain--except for that price. It's great terrain for tournament organizers--except for that price. It's great terrain for game stores--except for that price. How did GW do such a good job with the design brief, and drop the ball so utterly on pricing? If this were reasonably priced, you couldn't keep it on shelves.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Exactly. It's starter terrain priced like premium modular terrain.
And "inflation is really high right now" isn't an excuse.
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Post by: tneva82
Ragweek wrote:
"not evil, it's just stupid.""
If your right, it will not sell and they will have been stupid. However this set looks much better than the old one you linked. I have my set on pre order.
I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events. Please just change the record.
Of course gw prices go up way more than inflation or what others raise to compensate for current events. It's all about gw greed because they know they have enough whales buy anything with gw logo at any price.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
I believe it was Samuel Johnson who said that when you are tried of complaining about GW price hikes then sir you are tried of life.
That being said, I think we can table discussions of the Fronteris price, or its value vs a 3D printer. I believe the issue has been thoroughly debated.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
I think you mean to say it is an excuse, as opposed to being a legitimate reason
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Post by: Rolsheen
Come on H.B.M.C your the guy who single handily keeps GW's terrain department employed, we've seen your pile of terrain shame there's enough there to fill fifty tables.
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Post by: zedmeister
Rolsheen wrote:Come on H.B.M.C your the guy who single handily keeps GW's terrain department employed, we've seen your pile of terrain shame there's enough there to fill fifty tables.
I think HBMC’s ultimate goal is to be able to construct a 40k scale hive city
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Post by: Crimson
"These prices are outrageous? Why would they do this? I'll take seven boxes, please!"
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Post by: Zenithfleet
That's not a landing pad. That's a hot tub.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
I want to see that conversion.
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Post by: Ragweek
Crimson wrote:
"These prices are outrageous? Why would they do this? I'll take seven boxes, please!"
They will be ways of getting old of this far cheaper in the future. I perssonally have 100's of terrian sprues of sector mechanicus. I paid £4 per spue from the Conquest issues with the 50% off sale.
Then element games are selling the kill team battle zones in there clearence range for £30 with the boards too.
Just got to hold out.
However I do have a problem. I probably have the biggest pile of shame on here!
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Crimson wrote:
"These prices are outrageous? Why would they do this? I'll take seven boxes, please!"
Seven boxes, but note that's instead of my usual 10!
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Ragweek wrote:
However I do have a problem. I probably have the biggest pile of shame on here!
I want you and HBMC to post pictures with rulers and weights
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Post by: Ragweek
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Crimson wrote:
"These prices are outrageous? Why would they do this? I'll take seven boxes, please!"
Seven boxes, but note that's instead of my usual 10!
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Ragweek wrote:
However I do have a problem. I probably have the biggest pile of shame on here!
I want you and HBMC to post pictures with rulers and weights
Im not weighing it but here is some of my pile of same. I do have a big painted collection too.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
"Why does GW keep raising prices?"
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Post by: Aeneades
I won’t post a picture as too ashamed but I have an attic of shame rather than a pile…
I will probably grab one of these boxes discounted. I would like to have a second landing pad but can’t really justify the price so will bulk out the table with the intact building from Killteam, some ruins and some stacked containers / cranes.
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Post by: JWBS
That is indeed an impressive pile. I thought mine was ridiculously large but I feel yours may be more massive.
/Edit - In fact I'm gonna take a pic of mine when I'm finished work for today, see what it looks like all laid out :0
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
I am impressed, especially with the number of 2nd edition boxes in there!
But at least take comfort in the fact you do not have 3 copies of Space Fleet and yet have never played a game.
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Post by: Ragweek
Kid_Kyoto wrote:I am impressed, especially with the number of 2nd edition boxes in there!
But at least take comfort in the fact you do not have 3 copies of Space Fleet and yet have never played a game.
Pure gold, glad to see you kept hold of them all those years!
. It all started off with hero quest and space crusade in the early 90s. However sadly large amounts of my collection were foolishly sold in the red period. Now it is all treasured.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ragweek wrote:However I do have a problem. I probably have the biggest pile of shame on here!
No you don't. That's 17 of the tubs. There are actually 21 in total. And that's not all of it. Crimson wrote:"These prices are outrageous? Why would they do this? I'll take seven boxes, please!"
I know you're trying to have a dig at me, but I already explained my situation. Nice try though. Real good effort.
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Post by: Ragweek
H.B.M.C. wrote:Ragweek wrote:However I do have a problem. I probably have the biggest pile of shame on here!
No you don't. That's 17 of the tubs. There are actually 21 in total. And that's not all of it.
Haha, nice try. That was just part of the two rooms I have full. I have far more that are in boxes and draws.
When I get home I can take more photos.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I hadn't seen the other photos yet when I posted the above, just your initial ones.
I can't quite fathom why anyone would ever need to own... *counts* 14 copies of Indomitus. Or twenty copies of Blackstone Fortress.
I feel more normal now. Thank you.
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Post by: Ragweek
H.B.M.C. wrote:I hadn't seen the other photos yet when I posted the above, just your initial ones.
I can't quite fathom why anyone would ever need to own... *counts* 14 copies of Indomitus. Or twenty copies of Blackstone Fortress.
I feel more normal now. Thank you.
There is always someone who is more messed up
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Post by: Albertorius
Rolsheen wrote:Come on H.B.M.C your the guy who single handily keeps GW's terrain department employed, we've seen your pile of terrain shame there's enough there to fill fifty tables.
Maaaybe if someone like that is telling you "yo, that's way too much", you might want to take heed.
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Post by: Ragweek
Ragweek wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:I hadn't seen the other photos yet when I posted the above, just your initial ones.
I can't quite fathom why anyone would ever need to own... *counts* 14 copies of Indomitus. Or twenty copies of Blackstone Fortress.
I feel more normal now. Thank you.
There is always someone who is more messed up
The blqckstone fortresses. I was hoping to make a traitor guard army. Needed 300 of buggers. As for indomitas wanted a priuarus company or 3
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
300 Traitor Guard made up of the same 7 poses. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
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Post by: Ragweek
H.B.M.C. wrote:300 Traitor Guard made up of the same 7 poses. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
Yeah wasn't the best idea. Was going to convert a load but then started another project.
I haven't even opened any of the boxes! My thought is if gw keep rasing the prices I can get back more than the £66 per set I paid from the lootroom
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Post by: JWBS
I believe those traitor guard alone sell in the region of £30 per squad iirc (might be lower, but not by much)
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Post by: Ragweek
JWBS wrote:I believe those traitor guard alone sell in the region of £30 per squad iirc (might be lower, but not by much)
Tell me about it! Thays why I just bought the full sets.
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Post by: BrookM
I think the pile of shame showcasing and boasting should really go into a topic of its own.
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Post by: Ragweek
 BrookM wrote:I think the pile of shame showcasing and boasting should really go into a topic of its own.
Thank you for editing. An improvement on calling the forum members w ankers.
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Post by: Toofast
Ragweek wrote: BrookM wrote:I think the pile of shame showcasing and boasting should really go into a topic of its own.
Thank you for editing. An improvement on calling the forum members w ankers.
I can't believe I read such an offensive word like "wankery" on the internet. Next you'll be telling me it contains things like nudity 
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Post by: zedmeister
Ragweek wrote:
Thank you for editing. An improvement on calling the forum members w ankers.
One does not need to be a spanker to indulge in wankery.
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Post by: Ragweek
 zedmeister wrote:Ragweek wrote:
Thank you for editing. An improvement on calling the forum members w ankers.
One does not need to be a spanker to indulge in wankery.
Congratulations for getting back on topic for highlighting the demographics of the gw target group.
One would rather send jeeves direct to GW, what what say you?
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Post by: JWBS
fwiw this brief "Pile of shame" wankery was the highlight of the thread for me. Maybe a threas should be made for it, but where? General discussion I suppose?
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Post by: Ragweek
JWBS wrote:fwiw this brief "Pile of shame" wankery was the highlight of the thread for me. Maybe a threas should be made for it, but where? General discussion I suppose?
Me apparently being one of the pile of shame w ankers, started off with me explaining how to get the secontor mechanicus sprues for £4 per each and where to get the sets for 50% off in the uk. Then HBMC wanted an explanation in to why I wanted to certain quantities of things in my collection. Not that I would question his reasoning of having boxes in his bedroom full of plastic crack. It's self explanatory
I wanted to share my painted collection in the other sections but if I'm honest I've been put off.
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Post by: TheGoodGerman
Well, that was interesting. I now feel much better about myself and my decision to order the new Fronteris set, at 20% discount, despite already having a big pile of unpainted terrain (that I now understand to be, in fact, fairly small).
Glad that I‘m normal after all. Please send pictures when it’s all built and painted.  Automatically Appended Next Post: Ragweek wrote:JWBS wrote:fwiw this brief "Pile of shame" wankery was the highlight of the thread for me. Maybe a threas should be made for it, but where? General discussion I suppose?
Me apparently being one of the pile of shame w ankers, started off with me explaining how to get the secontor mechanicus sprues for £4 per each and where to get the sets for 50% off in the uk. Then HBMC wanted an explanation in to why I wanted to certain quantities of things in my collection. Not that I would question his reasoning of having boxes in his bedroom full of plastic crack. It's self explanatory
I wanted to share my painted collection in the other sections but if I'm honest I've been put off.
Please do. That‘s what this forum is here for.
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Post by: tauist
I think the point here is notsomuch about someone buying loads of boxes generally regarded as having decent value. This is actually about the opposite, as in, you will not be seeing anyone buying 14 boxes of this terrain at these prices.
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Post by: Ragweek
 tauist wrote:I think the point here is notsomuch about someone buying loads of boxes generally regarded as having decent value. This is actually about the opposite, as in, you will not be seeing anyone buying 14 boxes of this terrain at these prices.
My point was it will come in some great deals.
I.e. you will see it in a kill team set at some point.
Then there will be a hatchatte weekly magazine with it.
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Post by: Toofast
tauist wrote:I think the point here is notsomuch about someone buying loads of boxes generally regarded as having decent value. This is actually about the opposite, as in, you will not be seeing anyone buying 14 boxes of this terrain at these prices.
As someone who has bought most of the GW terrain including both styles of realm of battle board, I won't be picking up this set. $220 for 3 small buildings, some fencing, and a couple 3x3 platforms is just insane. Removed - No politics
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Post by: Ragweek
Seems 50% of posts are getting deleted on this thread. Very strange
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Post by: JWBS
Mine got deleted. I understand it's OT (no denying that) - strange there not just a red text "Deleted" where my post used to be. Must have been quite inflammatory!
/Edit - I made a new thread in Dakka general, please add your pics there! (I was so surprised to see the extent of the collections in this thread, I thought my own is substantial but now I see that my hoard is actually unexceptional!). Post your rare stuff there too : )
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/804411.page#11339073
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Post by: Ragweek
I've had about 5 or 6 deleted explaining why I was posting about better value waus of buying gw kits.
Pluss lots congratulating fellow forum members posting pictures of there collections.
I fully understand the freedom being maintained. As I've been supporting friends in the uk rain
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Post by: JWBS
Ragweek wrote:
I've had about 5 or 6 deleted explaining why I was posting about better value waus of buying gw kits.
Pluss lots congratulating fellow forum members posting pictures of there collections.
I fully understand the freedom being maintained. As I've been supporting friends in the uk rain
I made a thread in general!
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Post by: GrosseSax
Are we ready to move over to the OT Rampant Inflation thread yet?
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Post by: Miguelsan
Well, Rampart terrain by Archon Studios did inflate by a third on their latest KS IIRC. So it's not just GW. Though GW is quite ahead of the pack pricewise.
M.
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Post by: gungo
H.B.M.C. wrote:300 Traitor Guard made up of the same 7 poses. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
I mean forgeworld had renegades and heretics but your traitor guard wait may be over as the huge confirmed leak that had squats in it also said we are getting renegade guard ala BSF style soooo.
On topic I got this set and I have a decent amount of terrain as well but a friend is helping me paint and I build like a madman so I’m currently only behind on my zone mortalis boxes… this fronteris set will be completed before that because it’s for a seperate board we are currently completing.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Ragweek wrote: Crimson wrote:
"These prices are outrageous? Why would they do this? I'll take seven boxes, please!"
They will be ways of getting old of this far cheaper in the future. I perssonally have 100's of terrian sprues of sector mechanicus. I paid £4 per spue from the Conquest issues with the 50% off sale.
Then element games are selling the kill team battle zones in there clearence range for £30 with the boards too.
Just got to hold out.
However I do have a problem. I probably have the biggest pile of shame on here!
We need to start a Dakka whales thread where we can post and compare pile of shame pics, mine is comparable, possibly even larger, but not as duplicative as yours.
I'll try to post some photos later today.
EDIT - See the other thread, cool cool
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Post by: tneva82
Ragweek wrote: tauist wrote:I think the point here is notsomuch about someone buying loads of boxes generally regarded as having decent value. This is actually about the opposite, as in, you will not be seeing anyone buying 14 boxes of this terrain at these prices.
My point was it will come in some great deals.
I.e. you will see it in a kill team set at some point.
Then there will be a hatchatte weekly magazine with it.
Well maybe for some but others 2 sources you said are not feasible thanks to brexit
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Post by: Strg Alt
Crimson wrote:
"These prices are outrageous? Why would they do this? I'll take seven boxes, please!"
This is sadly the case with today´s customers. Just no spine. Reminds me of a dialogue with the former local GW store manager. He told me this back in the day:
Manager: "Customer steps into store. Rants about insane prices of WHFB Witch Elves. Proceeds to buy two boxes. Leaves in a huff."
Sad, just sad. Because of these people there will be no limit to GW´s greed.
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Post by: Dudeface
 Strg Alt wrote: Crimson wrote:
"These prices are outrageous? Why would they do this? I'll take seven boxes, please!"
This is sadly the case with today´s customers. Just no spine. Reminds me of a dialogue with the former local GW store manager. He told me this back in the day:
Manager: "Customer steps into store. Rants about insane prices of WHFB Witch Elves. Proceeds to buy two boxes. Leaves in a huff."
Sad, just sad. Because of these people there will be no limit to GW´s greed.
Whilst the prices are mental and I'm in no way happy with them, it's not really fair to blame people for paying for something they want. The prices are what they are because they know enough people consider it acceptable and that threshold is personal to each shopper. You can't be angry because someone else is willing to use their cash how they want.
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Post by: Geifer
"Machine guns? We don't need no stinkin' machine guns!" - Ferdinand Porsche, maybe.
It doesn't take much to get me on board with a tracked bunker, but it's a little light on armaments. I'm not a fan of GW's tank kits of recent years that have a ton of guns on them, but this conversion goes the exact opposite direction. There's a sweet spot to hit somewhere in the middle in my opinion.
Could have possibly benefited from the equivalent of one of those old Imperial Guard dozer blades with actual blades sticking out the front. And have the gothic arches on the front repeated on the sides instead of the empty panels.
It's definitely nice of GW to show off the occasional conversion on Warhammer Community. It's all too easy these days to get the idea that they're opposed to conversions.
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Post by: beast_gts
Yeah - I would have added Stormhammer-style side guns to it:
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Post by: PenitentJake
Remember: None of us actually saw this because GW doesn't support or encourage conversions anymore.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
That looks absolute ass
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Post by: RazorEdge
I think that new Terrain looks fiting and designed for the upcoming new Horus Heresy Edition..
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Post by: judgedoug
Dang, this box is an absolute chonker. Definitely having some fun assembling it, looking forward to combining with the previous KT1 KZ Fronteris and Ryza ruins stuff to make a sweet Grim Future Old West township. Any third party alien livestock available anywhere?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
It is such a weird kitbash.
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Post by: beast_gts
At first glance I thought it was a defence laser silo.
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Post by: Flinty
It kind of is… just one that they fitted tracks to
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Post by: Da Butcha
It looks like a really expensive way to dunk on GW for their blocky tank designs. Then GW featured it.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Now they need to turn a Baneblade body into a bunker. Automatically Appended Next Post: Well I just pulled the trigger on the big box and the bunker/wall box. By my count it will give me 6' or so of walls and bunkers, plus a landing pad, perfect for either my space port or Arbites Fortress Precinct.
Does it have issues, yes. Starting the with the price. But really it's pretty good and fits right in with stuff I am enthusiastic about.
Now it can join the closet of shame... Automatically Appended Next Post:
(Need to get to that...)
I cannot recommend enough Reaper for weird random... stuff. Especially the Bones line. I have a bag of monsters ready to become bizarre alien fauna.
To specifically answer your question, another way to go is toy dinosaurs, paint them as black and white cows, add bells or something and you'd got an off-putting alien farm.
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Post by: judgedoug
It's neat but a bit too... vicious looking. Anyone know of a more docile looking beast to use for Aurochs, Grox, or any other number of vaguely bovine ish alien meat sources?
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
It's not out for a few more months, but Fallout WW has a set of Brahamin coming.
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Post by: jullevi
judgedoug wrote:
Anyone know of a more docile looking beast to use for Aurochs, Grox, or any other number of vaguely bovine ish alien meat sources?
I am tempted to use Squighogs from Beastsnaggaz as lifestock
I ended up picking Battlezone: Fronteris after talking a bit of discount from FLGS (they normally sell at RRP). The items are high quality with sharp details. I almost wish they had minor battle damage similar to Vertigus buildings, it would make them easier to paint.
If you build bunkers with intact roofs, you are left with number of spare broken roof parts.
The board feels bit out of focus and photoshopped at some parts and scale of graphics are off by couple of percent but it's fine for Kill Team. For 40k I'd rather use a neoprene gaming mat anyway.
I like how Fronteris buildings look but I am going to hate painting them without an airbrush. I am going to try to do most of the work with zenithal undercoat.
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Post by: dumb_numpty
jullevi wrote:
I like how Fronteris buildings look but I am going to hate painting them without an airbrush. I am going to try to do most of the work with zenithal undercoat.
On the off-chance it's useful for you. GMG just did a (mostly) rattlecan and drybrush paint up of this terrain https://youtu.be/J9SBEiGjZo0.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
It's how I painted mine.
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Post by: Grey Crow
Pretty much followed that guerilla gaming guide, rattlecan of blue over black and drybrushed, then weathered with oils and pigments
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Post by: lord_blackfang
That's ace
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Post by: Grey Crow
Thanks, it's a great method for painting terrain fast
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
On the topic of alien livestock, like I said toy dinosaurs might work.
Reaper's deep selection offers some real options too. Besides the Burrowing Horror I plan to use, a search for the key words beast, animal and aberration should turn up some good options.
https://www.reapermini.com/search/beast
https://www.reapermini.com/search/animal
https://www.reapermini.com/search/aberration/latest
Here's something for Farmer Brown's to milk!
Filth Beast
Or something more mundane but still alien?
Clubtail
Or a nice coop of Dire Penguins?
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Still waiting my order to hit Cairo. Anyone got pictures of it in the wild?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Mine are in various states of completion.
The "landing pad", or munitions bunker as I prefer to call it, is an odd one. They look good, but the top plate is this weird single piece that doesn't even come on a sprue:
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Post by: judgedoug
That's a great color scheme HBMC. Still trying to decide on mine (along with the previous Ryza and KT1 Fronteris stuff). Now I'm torn between yours and GMG's bluegrey...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I did see his video. Blue-grey is my intention for the other two landing pads, alongside my Bastions and a few other things.
Basically I want to make them fit in with this stuff from Gamemat.eu (which, despite the picture below, is actually way bluer in real life!):
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
H.B.M.C. wrote:Mine are in various states of completion.
The "landing pad", or munitions bunker as I prefer to call it, is an odd one. They look good, but the top plate is this weird single piece that doesn't even come on a sprue:
The landing pad is basically the same as the shattered temple for sigmar. The entire base of that was one solid piece that wasn't attached to a sprue.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Another kit that vanished into the ether without warning...  [EDIT]: Found someone else who has put together a nice set of this stuff. I hope the pics work.
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Post by: Illumini
Is it possible to model the walls with the hatches closed?
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Post by: The Black Adder
No. The walls are single pieces so the hatches are always open.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Given the constituent bits look fairly thick, has anyone found much warping?
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Post by: The Black Adder
No warping at all.
My only disappointment with the kit was that the dimensions of the buildings and wall sections don't allow you to easily make enclosures with perpendicular or parallel walls.
I might end up taking a saw to a couple of the wall pieces to get a better layout.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The Black Adder wrote:My only disappointment with the kit was that the dimensions of the buildings and wall sections don't allow you to easily make enclosures with perpendicular or parallel walls.
Yeah I noticed that as well. The walls probably should have been a little shorter.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Related, am I right that the bunker only has 3 shutters for 4 windows?
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Post by: beast_gts
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Related, am I right that the bunker only has 3 shutters for 4 windows?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
For four. The shutters don't fit on the one with the pipe at the bottom. So for each building you'll get 6 shutters for 8 windows.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
H.B.M.C. wrote:For four. The shutters don't fit on the one with the pipe at the bottom. So for each building you'll get 6 shutters for 8 windows.
That shouldn't annoy me but somehow it does. It's like someone had a nearly perfect bit of terrain and then just messed it up for no reason.
I mean the broken roof tiles could be spared, I have clippers darn it. But making a shutter isn't quite as easy.
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Post by: judgedoug
With 3 buildings, I've completely forgotten about the shutters. Maybe I'll glue some on before painting - but honestly would probably prefer having firing ports open
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Post by: beast_gts
Kid_Kyoto wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:For four. The shutters don't fit on the one with the pipe at the bottom. So for each building you'll get 6 shutters for 8 windows.
That shouldn't annoy me but somehow it does. It's like someone had a nearly perfect bit of terrain and then just messed it up for no reason.
I mean the broken roof tiles could be spared, I have clippers darn it. But making a shutter isn't quite as easy.
I can understand the broken roof, as they're compatible with and were released alongside the Ryza Ruins, but the shutters is a stupid one.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Kid_Kyoto wrote:That shouldn't annoy me but somehow it does. It's like someone had a nearly perfect bit of terrain and then just messed it up for no reason. I mean the broken roof tiles could be spared, I have clippers darn it. But making a shutter isn't quite as easy.
The broken roof tiles aren't for this kit. No really, they're not for this kit. The hab building was made to supplement the original Ryza Pattern Ruins, and the broken roof tiles were meant to go on the existing ruins to make them fit with the in-tact hab block more seamlessly. But as there are no more Ryza Ruins, you're left with these broken roof bits that don't go anywhere. As for me? I'm just keeping them all to randomly attach to other ruined buildings when I make my Orky table.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Slowly getting there:
Gold done. Washes next.
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Post by: Rolsheen
Once I've painted the Octarius terrain I'll get the Vox-Antenna and Auspex Shrine, have to chop them up and add bits from Ork vehicles to make them match.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Finally got my big box this week, can't wait to take a serious crack at it.
Has anyone tried using this with the Gang Stronghold? Is there any compatibility?
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Post by: JWBS
Aesthetically they're a good match imo, dunno about modularity between them.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
No compatibility - the Fronteris stuff isn't modular like the SecMech/ZoneMort stuff - but this should give you an idea of the heights that allow some melding:  So those combined are one level of SecMech terrain high, which is two ZoneMort levels high.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
H.B.M.C. wrote:No compatibility - the Fronteris stuff isn't modular like the SecMech/ZoneMort stuff - but this should give you an idea of the heights that allow some melding:
So those combined are one level of SecMech terrain high, which is two ZoneMort levels high.
Somehow I knew you would have the answer!
I have to assemble mine of course but it seems the Gang Stronghold might work as some sort of gate/firebase area or just some variety to the security walls.
By the way any thoughts on that weird billboard style wall for the bunker? I really don't like it, it doesn't match the rest of the bunker and it only offers cover from one side.
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Post by: JWBS
I always thought it somewhat bizarre too.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
It's like they only had enough sprue space for one wall, so just left it at that.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
I thought it was meant to resemble old western movies.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Actually one sprue give you half a wall, you need both sprues to build the whole wall
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Post by: Geifer
Yeah, this. Remember that these are frontier buildings, so they have a touch of Wild West to them. Which means to stay in theme you'd could use the elongated front to advertise the building's function.
As an example, use the seven arches for something like this:
D E X T E R' S
G U N S H O P
With two rows of a letter in each arch.
Or if you're super into freehanding, paint some pictures of saints or strippers in there.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Well, me being me, I own 6 of Hab blocks (now all fully painted!  ), so I have two that don't have any, two that have one, and two that have one on each side. I like the variety, and it gives something for people to hide behind when standing on the roof. Does make 'em a little harder to stack, but I often find myself turning them upside down to store the Ryza ruins inside.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Building my 3 bunkers was easy and fun.
The landing pad however is crap. The walls barely fit, the connection points are too small and it somehow has fewer options than the bunker kit.
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Post by: oni
H.B.M.C. wrote:No compatibility - the Fronteris stuff isn't modular like the SecMech/ZoneMort stuff - but this should give you an idea of the heights that allow some melding: So those combined are one level of SecMech terrain high, which is two ZoneMort levels high.
This image is misleading. I tried this and the height does NOT match up as well as this image shows. There’s actually ~1/8” gap under the Sector Mech. floor and the ledge of the Hab Bunker.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Kid_Kyoto wrote:The walls barely fit, the connection points are too small and it somehow has fewer options than the bunker kit.
Weird. I didn't have any problems with mine.
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Post by: The Black Adder
H.B.M.C. wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote:The walls barely fit, the connection points are too small and it somehow has fewer options than the bunker kit.
Weird. I didn't have any problems with mine.
Neither did I. When i saw the top section was one piece I thought it might cause warping issues, but mine fit perfectly.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
The corners keep falling off and one wall isn't flush.
I'll try ripping it apart and seeing I missed something somewhere.
But compared to the bunkers and their idiot proof joints this is really frustrating. Do not recommend.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Keep falling off? Not flush?
There are specific pieces for specific corners. Make sure you're putting them all in the right spot. It's not modular. You can't choose where each piece goes.
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Post by: judgedoug
I had the same issue Kid_Kyoto did, and indeed I had the wrong corner on the wrong spot, but thankfully the citadel slow plastic glue hadn't set yet and I was able to swap 'em.
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