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Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 05:50:09


Post by: drbored


Coming from a guy named MordianGlory on Youtube. Take with a big bucket of salt. He says he saw some pictures that were shown to him unofficially. Mentions a grainy picture shown on a mobile phone, etc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIWlYs5e8Sk

Summary for those that don't want to watch the video:

Spoiler:

So, according to MordianGlory, he's "seen pictures of the new astra militarum models" and they are apparently...
1. Kasrkin - look very true to the originals. Many weapon options, grenade launchers, flamers, plasma guns, melta guns, at least. Respirators, backpacks, hellguns, the shebang.
2. Heavy Weapon Teams - he saw heavy bolter and autocannons. Magazines attached to the side instead of the classic belt fed from a box on the ground. Different shape for front shield on weapons.
3. New "Creed-like" model - thinks it might be Creed's daughter. Long hair up in a bun behind the head. "severina raine-like breastplate". Tactical rock, great coat, more slender, and small banner on pole. Pair of pistols, sash, and power sword - Creed's signature weapons.
4. New Sentinels - Says he saw an armored Sentinel. Sleeker, "like mechs from Iron Harvest" - more like a capsule from Admech. Instead of roll-cage or armor, it has a single armored slit instead of two. Weapon layout similar, side-carry, but mounted higher up. Bigger and bulkier than the current sentinels.
5. New Lord Commissar - "most improved model" in his opinion. Reimagining of the Power Fist + book sculpt model. Foot on an ammo can, heroic pose.

He was also told, but did not see, that Attilan Rough Riders are returning. Unsubstantiated, but it's apparently what he heard. More Attilan style rather than Death Korps style.

He also did not see that the Leman Russ or Chimera were updated, looked like same models.


Have at it.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 05:53:35


Post by: Miguelsan


We have been teased a Roughrider hunting lance already, so Atilian RR might be a thing, but if the rumour is true it will be a hard pass to me. I'll double up on GSC Jackals, and call it a day.

M.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 06:05:53


Post by: drbored


 Miguelsan wrote:
We have been teased a Roughrider hunting lance already, so Atilian RR might be a thing, but if the rumour is true it will be a hard pass to me. I'll double up on GSC Jackals, and call it a day.

M.


Yeah, the Attilan were... not an inspiring model, but who knows what they'll look like now? Would personally much prefer Krieg Death Riders, but we'll see how it pans out.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 07:27:26


Post by: alphaecho




I'g agree with that. The one Atillan box I did buy was never fully paintedl but I'd be interested in what they could look like in modern plastics. Not that I'd necessarily be in the market for them. My next Rough Rider project is Shieldwolf sci fi camels kitbashed with WA Bulldogs for a GrimDark Sudan Camel Corps.


What I am definitely interested in finding out is whether or not IG will get a terrain piece along the likes of the Hammerfall or the Ork Bossbunka and if so, what form it takes.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 08:14:38


Post by: Pyroalchi


I do hope that the Attilan Rough Rider datasheet will not be regiment locked. I have quite a number of cavalry models and would really appreciate to have a datasheet to use with any regiment I like.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 08:19:06


Post by: Snrub


I just want the ability for Rough Riders to take lasguns!!

I don't know why they'd redo the Sentinal. It's a great kit. Goes together well and has all it's options. I don't really know what you'd add to it or why it would need a redesign.
Well... beyond them redesigning it for the hell of it. Which is certainly plausible.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 08:46:44


Post by: cuda1179


 Snrub wrote:
I just want the ability for Rough Riders to take lasguns!!

I don't know why they'd redo the Sentinal. It's a great kit. Goes together well and has all it's options. I don't really know what you'd add to it or why it would need a redesign.
Well... beyond them redesigning it for the hell of it. Which is certainly plausible.


I remember back with the 1st version of the Imperial Guard codex in 3rd edition. People would look at me like WTF when I had Rough riders with pistols, lasguns, CCW, and a hunting lance. One of the few units that could have more than 2 weapons back then. Then they'd look at me weird again when they saw a Commissar on a horse. I had to point out the blurb in the rules that stated any commissar attached to the squad got a free horse.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 09:04:08


Post by: Olthannon


The rumours are interesting, but that won't make me rush to start a new guard army like a new guardsmen box would.

My old Imperial Guard were my biggest 40k army by a long stretch, I just don't want to buy the same old kit for such an increased price.

I had hoped the kasrkin are closer to the old stormtroopers, but this suggests otherwise.

New Attilans is the most exciting, I loved those models. I don't like the DKoK so I'm glad they aren't going to look like that.



Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 09:17:34


Post by: Garrac


Nothing about new regular guard boxes? AM really needs women models in the army (I mean, modern KT traitor HAS women models)

It would be fething hilarious that Chaos becomes more feminist than the Imperium


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 09:20:39


Post by: Geifer


As fun as that stuff sounds individually, Guard needs its basic infantry sorted out. Would be ironic to get Traitor Guard based on Cadians but somehow on the Imperial side you have to keep using the sucky old models. Krieg needs command and heavy weapon models to get the necessary options. Catachans suck worse than Cadians. And there are so many regiments left GW could do something with. Imperial Guard is one of those armies with a lot of plastic and a lot of cool (mostly tank) models, but that doesn't help one bit if the core of the army looks bad. It's Tomb Kings and High Elves all over again.

It'll be interesting to see how GW envisions Attilans to look these days, provided the rumor is true, of course. I seem to remember that they got updated artwork in an older Guard codex that gave them a more common Guard uniform, possibly with breastplate, and the fur elements were toned down a bit (but still there and recognizably Attilan). I think that would look cool. Make them an auxiliary choice so they can go with other regiments and they should fit in well with other regiments.

 Olthannon wrote:
I had hoped the kasrkin are closer to the old stormtroopers, but this suggests otherwise.


As much as I'd love plastic Stormtroopers that are true to the 3rd ed metals, Kasrkin were always going to be very Cadian. That's the point. And truth be told, I'd hate to see Cadian fans get Kasrkin back only to find they look nothing like they should.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 09:46:04


Post by: Arbitrator


 Pyroalchi wrote:
I do hope that the Attilan Rough Rider datasheet will not be regiment locked. I have quite a number of cavalry models and would really appreciate to have a datasheet to use with any regiment I like.

Since Attilan are so aesthetically different to the stock Cadian designs, they'll probably be retconned into <Auxilia> so everybody can take them.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 10:07:31


Post by: silverstu


So when are we expecting these to arrive? Sounds like they could be after Chaos. Valrak reckons Guard/chaos demons are next in line and the leaks seem to line up with that. Just trying to work out when the Leagues are out- looking like later in the year.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 11:27:22


Post by: Snrub


I've said it before, but GW could get away with doing every guard regiment with a minimum of 5 unique kits per regiment.
-Obligatory special character.
-Command squad
-Infantry squad
-Heavy Weapon squad
-Veteran/Spec Wep. duel box

That covers all your bases from top to bottom. Everything vehicle and specialist wise, is generic across regiments. Hell if they did it right, you could get away with 3 kits per regiment by providing enough gubbinz and weapons to make up the vets and SWS throughout the other kits.

40/50 new SKUs to the range and you'd cover: Steel Legion, Praetorians, Cadians, Catachans, DKoK, Mordians, Tallarn, Attilans (substitute the HWS for RR), Valhallans, Vostroyans all without any gaps. And before anyone complains about that adding too many new SKUS to the catalog, Generic Primaris alone currently have 41SKUs if you include the 3 starter boxes and the combat patrol.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 11:48:46


Post by: BrookM


Chances are we'll see the Catachans and Krieg get the spotlight come next codex, but would love for the aging Cadians to be replaced as well, I remember when they were released aeons ago, in boxes of twenty.

And Rough Riders with shotguns please!


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 11:49:48


Post by: kodos


or GW does it like with Horus Heresy models

- heavy weapon box (weapons only)
- special weapon box (weapons only)
- elite/veteran/command box (upgrades/equipment only)
- Cadian, Catachan, Krieg, Tallarn boxes
- additional head/arms/gear boxes (Vostroyans+ Valhallan, Attilans+horses, Mordian+Praetorians)

10 SKUs


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 12:20:40


Post by: BrotherGecko


 kodos wrote:
or GW does it like with Horus Heresy models

- heavy weapon box (weapons only)
- special weapon box (weapons only)
- elite/veteran/command box (upgrades/equipment only)
- Cadian, Catachan, Krieg, Tallarn boxes
- additional head/arms/gear boxes (Vostroyans+ Valhallan, Attilans+horses, Mordian+Praetorians)

10 SKUs


Even if it was slightly more expensive to go that route I kind of wish they did that. Like with necromunda upgrade boxes.

Instead of making 8 boxes of intercessor + weapon swap. Would be better to just have intercessor the a close combat upgrade box, hellblaster...etc.
Or with CSM terminator weapons or special or heavy.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 12:23:35


Post by: Valkyrie


Isn't there also a rumoured new tank, apparently something similar to the Malcador/Macharius in terms of size?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 12:36:44


Post by: BertBert


 Valkyrie wrote:
Isn't there also a rumoured new tank, apparently something similar to the Malcador/Macharius in terms of size?


That's probably what he's referring to as "the Rogal Dorn".


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 12:47:33


Post by: Voss


 silverstu wrote:
So when are we expecting these to arrive? Sounds like they could be after Chaos. Valrak reckons Guard/chaos demons are next in line and the leaks seem to line up with that. Just trying to work out when the Leagues are out- looking like later in the year.


I'm not expecting Guard (or daemons after that) until after Leagues and World Eaters, both of which are officially stated as having 'months' of previews before release (or the release of the 'advance force' in the case of Leagues)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/02/what-april-fools-the-41st-millenniums-next-faction-is-real-heres-a-model-to-prove-it/
The Leagues of Votann are coming to Warhammer 40,000 later this year, but there are still a solid few months to go before we get a good look at their advance force.


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/04/blood-skulls-and-butchers-nails-the-world-eaters-are-getting-their-own-codex/
We’ll be bringing you more updates on Codex: World Eaters and these murderous new miniatures over the next few months on Warhammer Community – so you can follow the Eightfold Path right up to release.

While both say 'few months,' obviously LoV was announced about a month before WE, so they're likely first.

Summer looks like Heresy (there's a long tail of releases after the box) and AoS (4 battletomes), so I think fall for LoV and WE, Slaves to Darkness is definitely announced as winter and if we're really lucky, Guard will sneak in before the end of the year. But I wouldn't be surprised by 2023. Daemons aren't even in sight yet, unless the plastic DP advertised for StD and CSM will 'count as' their one release alongside their codex.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 13:05:18


Post by: Snrub


kodos wrote:or GW does it like with Horus Heresy models

- heavy weapon box (weapons only)
- special weapon box (weapons only)
- elite/veteran/command box (upgrades/equipment only)
- Cadian, Catachan, Krieg, Tallarn boxes
- additional head/arms/gear boxes (Vostroyans+ Valhallan, Attilans+horses, Mordian+Praetorians)

10 SKUs
I don't think that'd be a good way of doing it. It might work marines, where they all wear the same armour, but part of what makes the guard regiments so great is that the uniforms are so varied.
If you've got a box of generic torsos/legs that you just add regiment specific head/arms too, that's not going to look very good and different regiments are too varied in uniform for there to be much cross compatibility.

Admittedly, a box of special weapons would be useful and would save on scrounging.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 13:49:01


Post by: Dysartes


 Snrub wrote:
I've said it before, but GW could get away with doing every guard regiment with a minimum of 5 unique kits per regiment.
-Obligatory special character.
-Command squad
-Infantry squad
-Heavy Weapon squad
-Veteran/Spec Wep. duel box

That covers all your bases from top to bottom. Everything vehicle and specialist wise, is generic across regiments. Hell if they did it right, you could get away with 3 kits per regiment by providing enough gubbinz and weapons to make up the vets and SWS throughout the other kits.

40/50 new SKUs to the range and you'd cover: Steel Legion, Praetorians, Cadians, Catachans, DKoK, Mordians, Tallarn, Attilans (substitute the HWS for RR), Valhallans, Vostroyans all without any gaps.

I think you can cut that down to two, maybe three kits per Regiment by being a bit clever by it, and embracing modularity - so GW wouldn't do this.

- Universal Heavy Weapon sprue/box - like the current one, this just features the weapons themselves, including tripods, etc. No HW crew included, however.
- Command squad per Regiment - if a Regiment is going to have a SC, this includes that model as an alt-build, in the same way Nork Deddog crops up in the Ogryn box.
- Infantry squad per Regiment - includes all Special Weapons, and a lasgun option for the Sergeant.
- Veteran squad per Regiment - I'm less convinced by this one, but it could be an option, especially if not every Regiment gets the same thing. Kasrkin for Cadians being a good example of an alt-Veteran unit.

The Command and Infantry squad boxes could then include the parts for a HWT, minus the weapons themselves. I'd ideally include a HW sprue in the Infantry squad box myself, but I could see why people might prefer a cheaper IS box, then buy however many HW sprues they need as and when they need them.

I'm pretty sure previous background for the Attilan Rough Riders indicated they only raised RR regiments, so they'd get that instead of an IS box, along with the possibility of a mounted Command Squad box - maybe including the parts for a mounted Commissar?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 13:51:25


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 BrookM wrote:
Chances are we'll see the Catachans and Krieg get the spotlight come next codex, but would love for the aging Cadians to be replaced as well, I remember when they were released aeons ago, in boxes of twenty.


Given the fact they just got an upgrade sprue? I don't think new Cadians are coming for at least five more years.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 14:06:32


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Weird that you'd redo Sentinels.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 14:13:29


Post by: Pyroalchi


The only reason I could imagine would be that the current Sentinels are too close in look to the Star Wars Walkers and they (for some reason) want something more unique looking.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 14:16:13


Post by: Kanluwen


Voss wrote:

Summer looks like Heresy (there's a long tail of releases after the box) and AoS (4 battletomes), so I think fall for LoV and WE, Slaves to Darkness is definitely announced as winter and if we're really lucky, Guard will sneak in before the end of the year. But I wouldn't be surprised by 2023. Daemons aren't even in sight yet, unless the plastic DP advertised for StD and CSM will 'count as' their one release alongside their codex.

There's only two battletomes for AoS this summer.

Spoiler:

It's four in Autumn, supposedly:
Lumineth Realm-Lords, Sons of Behemat, Disciples of Tzeentch, and Kharadron Overlords.
Scuttlebutt is no new models for 3/4.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 14:17:37


Post by: Olthannon


Geifer wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
I had hoped the kasrkin are closer to the old stormtroopers, but this suggests otherwise.


As much as I'd love plastic Stormtroopers that are true to the 3rd ed metals, Kasrkin were always going to be very Cadian. That's the point. And truth be told, I'd hate to see Cadian fans get Kasrkin back only to find they look nothing like they should.


True, but Cadia is blowed up. I'd rather they gave us something different but evoking the old look.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Weird that you'd redo Sentinels.



I also find that a bit odd, although I'm certain there was a rumour from some while back that mentioned that sentinels were getting redone, because that sounds really familiar.

I guess if the models are interesting I don't have a problem, but, like others have said, for Imperial Guard I feel like the focus should be on giving people the option for variation of infantry, everything else works when it is ubiquitous in terms of the vehicles.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 14:21:17


Post by: Polonius


 Arbitrator wrote:
 Pyroalchi wrote:
I do hope that the Attilan Rough Rider datasheet will not be regiment locked. I have quite a number of cavalry models and would really appreciate to have a datasheet to use with any regiment I like.

Since Attilan are so aesthetically different to the stock Cadian designs, they'll probably be retconned into <Auxilia> so everybody can take them.


Pretty sure even the old fluff stated that Rough Rider regiments were typically divided up and attached to other regiments. But the official lore on how combined arms forces are formed vary. I've seen lore that regiments will be monofocused (infantry, artillery, tank, etc), but there's plenty of lore about combined arms forces at the company level.

But making them Auxilia makes sense to preclude them getting orders and things like that.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 14:22:46


Post by: Kanluwen


 Olthannon wrote:
Geifer wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
I had hoped the kasrkin are closer to the old stormtroopers, but this suggests otherwise.


As much as I'd love plastic Stormtroopers that are true to the 3rd ed metals, Kasrkin were always going to be very Cadian. That's the point. And truth be told, I'd hate to see Cadian fans get Kasrkin back only to find they look nothing like they should.


True, but Cadia is blowed up. I'd rather they gave us something different but evoking the old look.

Cadia was one planet in a system called Cadia, all of which pumped out soldiers to roughly the same 80-90% rate of population at arms.

There are going to be a lot of Cadians/Cadian descendants out there. We know the Brimlock Dragoons for example follow a lot of Cadian patterning, having been founded by Cadian soldiery.


I also find that a bit odd, although I'm certain there was a rumour from some while back that mentioned that sentinels were getting redone, because that sounds really familiar.

I guess if the models are interesting I don't have a problem, but, like others have said, for Imperial Guard I feel like the focus should be on giving people the option for variation of infantry, everything else works when it is ubiquitous in terms of the vehicles.

There was some scuttlebutt out there that it's to differentiate "Armoured Sentinels" from "Scout Sentinels" more.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 14:26:27


Post by: GaroRobe


New sentinels looking less like AT RTs makes sense from a copyright perspective


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 14:33:13


Post by: KidCthulhu


Hmm, maybe I need to buy some sentinels before they potentially go away (because I actually like the current plastic kit).


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 14:34:14


Post by: The_Real_Chris


 Kanluwen wrote:

Cadia was one planet in a system called Cadia, all of which pumped out soldiers to roughly the same 80-90% rate of population at arms.


Did they say what happened to the rest of the system planets?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 14:35:53


Post by: Sgt. Cortez


 Dysartes wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
I've said it before, but GW could get away with doing every guard regiment with a minimum of 5 unique kits per regiment.
-Obligatory special character.
-Command squad
-Infantry squad
-Heavy Weapon squad
-Veteran/Spec Wep. duel box

That covers all your bases from top to bottom. Everything vehicle and specialist wise, is generic across regiments. Hell if they did it right, you could get away with 3 kits per regiment by providing enough gubbinz and weapons to make up the vets and SWS throughout the other kits.

40/50 new SKUs to the range and you'd cover: Steel Legion, Praetorians, Cadians, Catachans, DKoK, Mordians, Tallarn, Attilans (substitute the HWS for RR), Valhallans, Vostroyans all without any gaps.

I think you can cut that down to two, maybe three kits per Regiment by being a bit clever by it, and embracing modularity - so GW wouldn't do this.

- Universal Heavy Weapon sprue/box - like the current one, this just features the weapons themselves, including tripods, etc. No HW crew included, however.
- Command squad per Regiment - if a Regiment is going to have a SC, this includes that model as an alt-build, in the same way Nork Deddog crops up in the Ogryn box.
- Infantry squad per Regiment - includes all Special Weapons, and a lasgun option for the Sergeant.
- Veteran squad per Regiment - I'm less convinced by this one, but it could be an option, especially if not every Regiment gets the same thing. Kasrkin for Cadians being a good example of an alt-Veteran unit.

The Command and Infantry squad boxes could then include the parts for a HWT, minus the weapons themselves. I'd ideally include a HW sprue in the Infantry squad box myself, but I could see why people might prefer a cheaper IS box, then buy however many HW sprues they need as and when they need them.

I'm pretty sure previous background for the Attilan Rough Riders indicated they only raised RR regiments, so they'd get that instead of an IS box, along with the possibility of a mounted Command Squad box - maybe including the parts for a mounted Commissar?


This is all nice and all but what I think GW might do short term is make regiments being specific units.

So Cadians are your baseline troopers, with Kasrkin as an Elite.
Death korps are Veterans.
Attilans are rough riders.
Maybe they come up with something special for Catachans (like they had shotguns in DOW2, GW might refresh them as a CC and short ranged squad).

Other regiments might get sprinkled in when GW is in the mood to do so. Some Tallarn tank or recruits at some point, some Vostroyan heavy armoured guys at another.
I don't see GW putting out core units for all the regiments, the Guard is not Space Marines. But at some point in the future there might be a special box for every famous regiment that you can also kitbash/ convert to make your baseline troopers with them.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 14:36:49


Post by: beast_gts


The_Real_Chris wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:

Cadia was one planet in a system called Cadia, all of which pumped out soldiers to roughly the same 80-90% rate of population at arms.


Did they say what happened to the rest of the system planets?


They seem to be mostly intact:
Lexicanum wrote:Although Cadia was ultimately reduced to a burning wasteland by Abaddon's assault, the worlds in the wider Cadian System fought hard to destroy the spearhead the Despoiler had plunged into their midst. The Great Exodus of Cadia had seen swathes of the Imperial defence redeployed to the sister worlds.




Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 14:39:12


Post by: Olthannon


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Olthannon wrote:
Geifer wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
I had hoped the kasrkin are closer to the old stormtroopers, but this suggests otherwise.


As much as I'd love plastic Stormtroopers that are true to the 3rd ed metals, Kasrkin were always going to be very Cadian. That's the point. And truth be told, I'd hate to see Cadian fans get Kasrkin back only to find they look nothing like they should.


True, but Cadia is blowed up. I'd rather they gave us something different but evoking the old look.

Cadia was one planet in a system called Cadia, all of which pumped out soldiers to roughly the same 80-90% rate of population at arms.

There are going to be a lot of Cadians/Cadian descendants out there. We know the Brimlock Dragoons for example follow a lot of Cadian patterning, having been founded by Cadian soldiery.


Right, sure. But what I'm saying is Cadia is blowed up. Here's an opportunity to refresh the range.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 14:42:28


Post by: The_Real_Chris


I thought it was an asteroid belt, not a wasteland...


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 14:53:17


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Pyroalchi wrote:
The only reason I could imagine would be that the current Sentinels are too close in look to the Star Wars Walkers and they (for some reason) want something more unique looking.


I seriously doubt that's the case, given the Squats are one big ripoff of Stacraft's Terrans thus far.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 14:53:18


Post by: Kanluwen


 Olthannon wrote:

Right, sure. But what I'm saying is Cadia is blowed up. Here's an opportunity to refresh the range.

And what I'm saying is Cadians aren't going anywhere. They always made such a big deal about how there are entire planets whose production output is stuff for Cadia's war effort.

That gear isn't just going to get thrown out because "Cadia was destroyed".

Additionally, that Cadian upgrade frame we saw last year?
It's designed for a new kit, per some more reliable accounts.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 15:36:31


Post by: Scrub


Attilan rough riders are not... what I would wish for but fingers crossed for some fun models regardless!.

This remake of the sentinel business has me nervous as well, it's one of those iconic kits that even drew me into the universe of 40K. Sure it's a *bit* close to Star Wars but in the best possible way imo.

Remaking the kit with poseable legs, weaponry and added details and options would be a dream (exposed rollcage, armored plates, parachutes, stowage, cargo, even some bits to fit it in with Necromunda Ash Wastes etc etc) but this is Nottingham's finest we're talking about so it'll be none of that


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 16:07:09


Post by: Tallonian4th


Nice to see the Rough Riders are on the way. They are a welcome return if just for the silliness of squishy humans on horses riding into power armoured super humans.

Not sure about the new sentinel though as I've a fondness for the current kit and don't really feel it needs much of an update. However I like the fact it can simply be a different pattern of sentinel for those of us who don't need anymore. More I wish they had put resources in other places, like a new Griffon or Salamander.

Very pleased with the Kasrkin as they will make excellent special weapons and veterans. Needed something distinct from the Scion which are special ops.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 16:17:59


Post by: grahamdbailey


Garrac wrote:
Nothing about new regular guard boxes? AM really needs women models in the army (I mean, modern KT traitor HAS women models)

It would be fething hilarious that Chaos becomes more feminist than the Imperium


Chaos IS more inclusive!


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 16:43:31


Post by: kurhanik


A lot of this seems at least somewhat reasonable considering I think about 2/3 of the items listed were part of that reliable rumor from last year.

On Kasrkin, neat, and man it will be an amusing thing wherein the GW official price of probably 60 or 65$ for 10, or 40$ for 5, will actually be cheaper than the current ebay prices for the metals.

Not sure how keen I am on Lady Creed. On the one hand I like the idea of the badass daughter of the former commander taking charge, but on the other it feels like it makes the universe smaller if the next leader of the Cadians is just the guy's daughter. Kind of like how in Star Wars everything needs to tie in to the Skywalker family in some way shape or form. So cool in concept, and so long as we don't also see Yarrick Jr running around with the nephew of Straken while Pask the Younger is driving his father's tank, I can live with it.

It will be nice to see Rough Riders come along again, even if I don't end up getting any. Just having the rules will be nice, I bought a box of those Fantasy deer riders like 5 years ago to do a conversion project and then promptly forgot about them entirely. A return of the unit might make me actually dust off that project.

And it will be nice to have more than one Commissar again, even if I have the book reader already. The old metals have far more character to them than the current one. Hopefully this one will have options beyond swapping one gun for another.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 16:45:57


Post by: Kanluwen


Thing is that Creed never has been mentioned as having a daughter before...but given that he was a war orphan with no real known family, it wouldn't be crazy for his name to become a kind of honorific title in a way amongst the remaining Cadians.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 17:30:14


Post by: Tallonian4th


 Kanluwen wrote:
Thing is that Creed never has been mentioned as having a daughter before...but given that he was a war orphan with no real known family, it wouldn't be crazy for his name to become a kind of honorific title in a way amongst the remaining Cadians.


It would make a lot of sense, considering being an orphan, for him to select a favoured underling to be his successor in name and position. Also set up down the line a plot line where daughter Creed finds her 'father' and more models are made.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 17:52:53


Post by: Kanluwen


It makes even more sense for an aspiring officer to cloak themselves, literally, in the trappings of someone who effectively was treated as a kind of demigod of war by their homeworld.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 17:58:38


Post by: drbored


For me, the whole release seems sus, but here's a few points.

1. This was just what he saw out of a single picture. The Rogal Dorn wasn't in this picture, but is rumored in other places.

2. This does match up with the earlier rumors that (aside from chaos bikers and a one or two other things) have been spot on. Those were:

"Astra Militarum with veteran-style Cadians. Two new regiments are also in the works. New Kasrkin and new vehicle, designed to fit between the Leman Russ and the Baneblade.'"

So, again, there could be more we haven't seen.

3. For all we know, the Sentinel that he saw could be a totally different vehicle. A Primaris Sentinel, if you will. Unsure.

4. A lot of these kits, many guard players have TONS of. With a release like this, they're likely hoping to attract more new players than old.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 17:59:47


Post by: Platuan4th


 GaroRobe wrote:
New sentinels looking less like AT RTs makes sense from a copyright perspective


The current Sentinel design predates the AT-RT even being a thing.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 18:01:14


Post by: Nevelon


Tallonian4th wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Thing is that Creed never has been mentioned as having a daughter before...but given that he was a war orphan with no real known family, it wouldn't be crazy for his name to become a kind of honorific title in a way amongst the remaining Cadians.


It would make a lot of sense, considering being an orphan, for him to select a favoured underling to be his successor in name and position. Also set up down the line a plot line where daughter Creed finds her 'father' and more models are made.


Or for Creed to be secretly hiding a daughter in reserves, only to have her show up at exactly the right time to turn the tides of victory.

Classic Creed: Tactical Genius!


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 19:00:33


Post by: Fayric


Rough Riders, with new option to have a second back seat rider with a sniper rifle would be really cool, eh?

Anyway, I really hope they dont mess up Sentinels. I love sentinels and usually field a couple in spite of their less than stellar rules.
I was thrilled to see actual rules for the chain saw in the current dex. The way GW write weapons these days, the saw will be ace once the new dex arrive


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 19:15:47


Post by: drbored


 Platuan4th wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
New sentinels looking less like AT RTs makes sense from a copyright perspective


The current Sentinel design predates the AT-RT even being a thing.


That sort of detail doesn't matter to a sci-fi franchise that is trying to separate itself from an IP that the dreaded mouse controls.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 19:16:35


Post by: Mentlegen324


The first thing in the video he's on about is "confirm new guard...", "The Rogal Dorn is Confirmed", "I can confirm I have seen"....that's not what confirmation means.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 19:51:25


Post by: Stormonu


 Platuan4th wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
New sentinels looking less like AT RTs makes sense from a copyright perspective


The current Sentinel design predates the AT-RT even being a thing.


I think more AT-ST, but - it's never unwise to remove the House of Mouse an opening to pull a Chapterhouse.

Maybe we'll see them return to the old model:



Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 20:00:38


Post by: drbored


 Stormonu wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
New sentinels looking less like AT RTs makes sense from a copyright perspective


The current Sentinel design predates the AT-RT even being a thing.


I think more AT-ST, but - it's never unwise to remove the House of Mouse an opening to pull a Chapterhouse.

Maybe we'll see them return to the old model:



This actually kind of resembles the description he gave, with a more 'pod-like' admech appearance and a higher mounted weapon (though still on the side). I guess we'll see!


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 21:57:27


Post by: Slinky


I wouldn't have said the Sentinel was a kit that needed redoing. Except for how hard it is to get the legs lined up, of course


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/18 23:46:32


Post by: krijthebold


 Slinky wrote:
I wouldn't have said the Sentinel was a kit that needed redoing. Except for how hard it is to get the legs lined up, of course


That's why you just give 'em kicky legs. One on the ground, the other dancing.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 00:09:12


Post by: PenitentJake


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Pyroalchi wrote:
The only reason I could imagine would be that the current Sentinels are too close in look to the Star Wars Walkers and they (for some reason) want something more unique looking.


I seriously doubt that's the case, given the Squats are one big ripoff of Stacraft's Terrans thus far.


AT-STs hold two crewmen (with room in the cockpit for one or even two others to squeeze in); they have a gun on each side and a mandible twin-linked gun- pure las with no optional load out; legs are 2-2.5 x the height of the cabin and they have no exhaust stacks. The similarity is that both are armless, two-legged walkers.

As for Squats and Starcraft: are you suggesting that the thing invented in 1987 pulled a Michael J Fox and went Back to the Future to copy the thing that was invented in 1998, or is it just the NuSquats that you think borrow from Starcraft? And are we talking fluff or just asthetics? And if it's just asthetics, do all the other Space Dwarves in power armour also rip off Starcraft? Or are they just ripping of GW, who ripped off Starcraft?

Don't get me wrong: 40k borrows from A LOT of sources, for sure.

But I think as many sources borrow from it.

Personally, I subscribe to Jung's theory of Archetypes, so really ALL art is derivative on some level. There's a Merlin, an Arthur, a Lancelot and a Gwenivere in almost every story ever told.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 02:19:25


Post by: endlesswaltz123


The sentinel description actually suggests to me a conversion.

Make them all like the middle one and it is just converted killa kans.



Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 08:26:45


Post by: Andykp


 kurhanik wrote:
A lot of this seems at least somewhat reasonable considering I think about 2/3 of the items listed were part of that reliable rumor from last year.

On Kasrkin, neat, and man it will be an amusing thing wherein the GW official price of probably 60 or 65$ for 10, or 40$ for 5, will actually be cheaper than the current ebay prices for the metals.

Not sure how keen I am on Lady Creed. On the one hand I like the idea of the badass daughter of the former commander taking charge, but on the other it feels like it makes the universe smaller if the next leader of the Cadians is just the guy's daughter. Kind of like how in Star Wars everything needs to tie in to the Skywalker family in some way shape or form. So cool in concept, and so long as we don't also see Yarrick Jr running around with the nephew of Straken while Pask the Younger is driving his father's tank, I can live with it.

It will be nice to see Rough Riders come along again, even if I don't end up getting any. Just having the rules will be nice, I bought a box of those Fantasy deer riders like 5 years ago to do a conversion project and then promptly forgot about them entirely. A return of the unit might make me actually dust off that project.

And it will be nice to have more than one Commissar again, even if I have the book reader already. The old metals have far more character to them than the current one. Hopefully this one will have options beyond swapping one gun for another.


Gws obsession with named characters and the hobbyists appetite to lap it all make the universe seem smaller.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 09:09:21


Post by: Ravajaxe


The sentinel shape has vastly varied since the early days of metal kits. I like the second edition sentinel the most : it has a reasonably sized cabin, beefy legs with hydraulic pistons like a construction machine, and chunky feet for better stability. Here is what a V2 looks like :



Pretty different from the V3 plastic model right ? The V2 version has much better balance : it can stand up even without a base, unlike the V3 which is irrealistically front heavy. With the hinge of the legs disposed at the rear instead of center, and the cabin completely hanging on the front, it always looked very bizzare for me. The odd thing of the V2 model was a bit ridiculous assault cannon, for which no ammunition pack was provided. Since assault cannon is long gone in the Imperial Guard arsenal, I replaced it with a modified laser cannon from a bits supplier.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 09:22:03


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


That one was always utterly comical to me, gigantic, thick legs but no protection for the pilot and no space for the engine


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 09:50:41


Post by: Albertorius


Or for the legs of the pilot.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 10:24:36


Post by: DeadliestIdiot


Simply Warhammer has a leak video as well where he says he was told that Krieg will feature in the 9th codex and will be getting a 10th edition codex

https://youtu.be/BePpLrvJs8I

He says the source is reliable, but I don't know if anything he's passed on has been verified yet.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 11:08:16


Post by: Danny76


Voss wrote:
 silverstu wrote:
So when are we expecting these to arrive? Sounds like they could be after Chaos. Valrak reckons Guard/chaos demons are next in line and the leaks seem to line up with that. Just trying to work out when the Leagues are out- looking like later in the year.


I'm not expecting Guard (or daemons after that) until after Leagues and World Eaters, both of which are officially stated as having 'months' of previews before release (or the release of the 'advance force' in the case of Leagues)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/02/what-april-fools-the-41st-millenniums-next-faction-is-real-heres-a-model-to-prove-it/
The Leagues of Votann are coming to Warhammer 40,000 later this year, but there are still a solid few months to go before we get a good look at their advance force.


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/04/blood-skulls-and-butchers-nails-the-world-eaters-are-getting-their-own-codex/
We’ll be bringing you more updates on Codex: World Eaters and these murderous new miniatures over the next few months on Warhammer Community – so you can follow the Eightfold Path right up to release.

While both say 'few months,' obviously LoV was announced about a month before WE, so they're likely first.

Summer looks like Heresy (there's a long tail of releases after the box) and AoS (4 battletomes), so I think fall for LoV and WE, Slaves to Darkness is definitely announced as winter and if we're really lucky, Guard will sneak in before the end of the year. But I wouldn't be surprised by 2023. Daemons aren't even in sight yet, unless the plastic DP advertised for StD and CSM will 'count as' their one release alongside their codex.


Agreed. Though just to add. I think after LoV will be other stuff before WE.
They seem to be very concept stage almost (well sculpting point etc).
More like how they announced Sisters. Or Old World..
So I expect Guard before.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 11:11:46


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


I'd be careful buying too heavily into this.

I've heard of pranksters creating false rumors of new IG as an April Fools prank, even generating fake images to go with it.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 11:15:45


Post by: Miguelsan


I agree with Kid. Look at this year's April Fools. Somebody said that Squats was coming back, and even generated some renders.

M.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 11:19:36


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Kanluwen wrote:
Thing is that Creed never has been mentioned as having a daughter before...but given that he was a war orphan with no real known family, it wouldn't be crazy for his name to become a kind of honorific title in a way amongst the remaining Cadians.


Back in the day prominent families would very often adopt to keep a line going.

In a techno-medieval society where things like belief in bloodlines are strong, and technology like IVF and cloning are around I would expect that making a Creed Jr (Yarrick Jr etc) would be fairly easy and desirable. Even if not, handing the name to the next person (like how Caeser became the word for Emperor in Rome, and then in Russia and Germany too) would make sense. You don't have time to tell the man the new commander's whole resume, so you say this is the new Pask and go from there.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 11:20:38


Post by: Danny76


I buy less into the new regiment boxes then a new codex coming.
Though I do think we will get Kreig.

Way too much talk of, now Cadia is gone we won’t (or shouldn’t) have that armour any more.
Like it isn’t the most mass produced armour on thousands of worlds now. That’s like standard uniform, whatever colour it is or place they’re from.
Like 80% of Guard in the universe wear that.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 11:23:55


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Miguelsan wrote:
I agree with Kid. Look at this year's April Fools. Somebody said that Squats was coming back, and even generated some renders.

M.


I remember that, someone even did some flash animation to fool the gullible.

Disgraceful.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 11:26:17


Post by: Geifer


Danny76 wrote:
Voss wrote:
 silverstu wrote:
So when are we expecting these to arrive? Sounds like they could be after Chaos. Valrak reckons Guard/chaos demons are next in line and the leaks seem to line up with that. Just trying to work out when the Leagues are out- looking like later in the year.


I'm not expecting Guard (or daemons after that) until after Leagues and World Eaters, both of which are officially stated as having 'months' of previews before release (or the release of the 'advance force' in the case of Leagues)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/02/what-april-fools-the-41st-millenniums-next-faction-is-real-heres-a-model-to-prove-it/
The Leagues of Votann are coming to Warhammer 40,000 later this year, but there are still a solid few months to go before we get a good look at their advance force.


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/04/blood-skulls-and-butchers-nails-the-world-eaters-are-getting-their-own-codex/
We’ll be bringing you more updates on Codex: World Eaters and these murderous new miniatures over the next few months on Warhammer Community – so you can follow the Eightfold Path right up to release.

While both say 'few months,' obviously LoV was announced about a month before WE, so they're likely first.

Summer looks like Heresy (there's a long tail of releases after the box) and AoS (4 battletomes), so I think fall for LoV and WE, Slaves to Darkness is definitely announced as winter and if we're really lucky, Guard will sneak in before the end of the year. But I wouldn't be surprised by 2023. Daemons aren't even in sight yet, unless the plastic DP advertised for StD and CSM will 'count as' their one release alongside their codex.


Agreed. Though just to add. I think after LoV will be other stuff before WE.
They seem to be very concept stage almost (well sculpting point etc).
More like how they announced Sisters. Or Old World..
So I expect Guard before.


I don't think World Eaters are in the early stages anymore. GW outright said so for Sisters, The Old World and just recently for Dawnbringer Cursades in AoS. Showing renders rather than anything tangible is more likely down to the codex being so far in the future that GW doesn't want to show models just yet, but feels obligated to announce the codex so World Eaters fans don't riot at the idea of being downgraded to a White Dwarf list.

I find the volume of model releases all of these are supposed to get interesting. Squats obviously need the release of their full roster similar to how Sisters were handled. World Eaters I expect to be the same, as we know between Death Guard and Thousand Sons how GW wants a legion codex to look like. And Guard seems to be getting quite a few kits as well. All that after a massive push to plasticize Horus Heresy and with those four battletomes also getting released in the second half of the year, of which we know at leasdt Slaves to Darkness gets more than just a clampack character with their book. That's a lot of stuff in not a whole lot of time. Makes me think we won't even see Guard this year and that the army may be a January release instead.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 11:32:01


Post by: Pyroalchi


Again regarding the Sentinels: I just had the thought that it might also be that the new kit will really be the just the armored Sentinel (therefore the beefy look) while the old kit (with or without the roof) remains the Scout Sentinel. It would keep the balance between not completely invalidating the Sentinels in our collections while simultanously give an incentive to buy the new one. Especially if it has some new and better rules.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 11:37:24


Post by: Geifer


Danny76 wrote:
Way too much talk of, now Cadia is gone we won’t (or shouldn’t) have that armour any more.
Like it isn’t the most mass produced armour on thousands of worlds now. That’s like standard uniform, whatever colour it is or place they’re from.
Like 80% of Guard in the universe wear that.


My retcon sense is tingling.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 12:51:46


Post by: Andykp


I like the sentinel and don’t see it as a kit that needs an upgrade but never mind, I hope the atillans aren’t coming back, that’s too much nostalgia. They were a cliche at the time and jarred with anyones army. Some standard looking rough riders would be lovely but I have just converted some deathkorps ones so not too bothered either way.

As for creed not mentioning kids, why would it need to? Just because they haven’t talked of them doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Chances are most “human” characters will have off spring.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 14:13:16


Post by: Theophony


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Thing is that Creed never has been mentioned as having a daughter before...but given that he was a war orphan with no real known family, it wouldn't be crazy for his name to become a kind of honorific title in a way amongst the remaining Cadians.


Back in the day prominent families would very often adopt to keep a line going.

In a techno-medieval society where things like belief in bloodlines are strong, and technology like IVF and cloning are around I would expect that making a Creed Jr (Yarrick Jr etc) would be fairly easy and desirable. Even if not, handing the name to the next person (like how Caeser became the word for Emperor in Rome, and then in Russia and Germany too) would make sense. You don't have time to tell the man the new commander's whole resume, so you say this is the new Pask and go from there.


You made me think for a second. What if the Orks used cloning? Took Yarrick's arm and cloned him with a bit of Ork thrown in to boot to make a new Bale Eye .....That would be Kunnin'


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 14:16:06


Post by: Jidmah


They probably would just loot his bionics and put them on a squig or something


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 14:20:16


Post by: Dysartes


Finding out what has happened to Yarrick would be something interesting in the lore section of a new IG codex.

Last seen pursuing Ghaz away from Armageddon with a BT crusade, if I'm not mistaken - and both Ghaz and the BT have reappeared without him...


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 14:22:07


Post by: Kanluwen


He was already reaching the end of his life, even before time jump shenanigans started...I'd prefer we just let him drift off.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 14:31:25


Post by: H.B.M.C.


But people like Yarrick. He's fun.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 14:32:10


Post by: Jidmah


The saga of the beast plot should have been him and the death watch instead of Ragnar and the wolves.

Could have ended with him using his klaw as a last act of defiance to cut off Thrakka's head and then getting crushed to death.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 14:36:26


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Dysartes wrote:
Finding out what has happened to Yarrick would be something interesting in the lore section of a new IG codex.

Last seen pursuing Ghaz away from Armageddon with a BT crusade, if I'm not mistaken - and both Ghaz and the BT have reappeared without him...


Clearly Ghaz sat on top of him by accident.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 14:47:13


Post by: BlackoCatto


Six year wait for a codex, a disappearing model line with no replacements in sight nor anything for that matter. And nothing more than baseless speculating from unknown sources telling you to believe them with nothing.



Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 14:49:57


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


My head canon is that the Emperor's 'chaos gift' equivalent is resilience and unyielding will.

Yarrick, St Celestine, that Crimson Fist dude, Legion of the Damned, all have some version of 'get knocked down but I get up again'.

So a 200-300 year old Yarrick still chasing his white whale appeals to me.

I forget who wrote it but there was a really good Yarrick novella a few years back that turned Yarrick into Captain Ahab and it really worked. Ghaz is tougher, stronger and smarter (yes I went there) than Yarrick but Yarrick will never give up no matter how many men or worlds he must destroy in his quest.

Ghaz knows this, and admires it, and so lets Yarrick live as an 'ommie he respects.

And that is both grimdark and awesome.

So yeah bring on Lady Creed Jr and Pask's nephew and Trooper Slystalone Marbo IV esq, but give me the old man, held together by cyberware, spit and bad temper.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 15:09:39


Post by: Geifer


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
...that Crimson Fist dude...


Ballerina-Captain Cortez.

I don't think his 3+ invulnerable save was based on his ability to take hits...


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 16:35:11


Post by: chaos0xomega


I'm with the others thinking this is sus, doesn't entirely jive with what we were told previously by other sources we now know to be reliable and accurate. No mention of Lord Solar Leontus or what he is riding, which is a rumor delivered to us by the verifiably reliable OK_Entrepreneur3004 via reddit.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 16:57:57


Post by: Olthannon


 Geifer wrote:
Danny76 wrote:
Way too much talk of, now Cadia is gone we won’t (or shouldn’t) have that armour any more.
Like it isn’t the most mass produced armour on thousands of worlds now. That’s like standard uniform, whatever colour it is or place they’re from.
Like 80% of Guard in the universe wear that.


My retcon sense is tingling.



Mmm.. that only became the case when GW got rid of all the other kits and made an ingame reason for them being lazy bastards. It's a shame because the lore has so many cool regiments out there but it's a hard to create something unique with so few kits available.

A smart thing to do would be to create a standard kit similar to the old RT imperial guard and to have called that the new standard infantry kit alongside the Indomitus Crusade.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 16:59:39


Post by: Kanluwen


Um, that's basically what they did with the Cadian pattern armor?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 17:28:44


Post by: drbored


Is "Cadian" (read: the most mass-produced flak armor design in the galaxy) armor gunna become the new gatekeeping BS that we see coming out of 30k?

If GW decides to make new troop boxes, yay. If they don't, boo. Everyone, every fan of every faction, wants more options rather than less.

If true, the rumors feel like the same way GW is handling Eldar. A big update that updates a bunch of old stuff and gives us a few new things. It's big, but it's incomplete, and will leave room for more later on.

The painful part with Astra Militarum, as it was with Chaos Marines, is the fact that the wait for the new update was so long, and on top of a long wait, it doesn't sound like the complete update that people were hoping for.

Well, here's hoping for the next one, after 3-4 more updates for space marines.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 17:28:50


Post by: Geifer


 Olthannon wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
Danny76 wrote:
Way too much talk of, now Cadia is gone we won’t (or shouldn’t) have that armour any more.
Like it isn’t the most mass produced armour on thousands of worlds now. That’s like standard uniform, whatever colour it is or place they’re from.
Like 80% of Guard in the universe wear that.


My retcon sense is tingling.



Mmm.. that only became the case when GW got rid of all the other kits and made an ingame reason for them being lazy bastards. It's a shame because the lore has so many cool regiments out there but it's a hard to create something unique with so few kits available.


Yeah. It's kind of a no model, no fluff deal. A very GW thing to do.

 Olthannon wrote:
A smart thing to do would be to create a standard kit similar to the old RT imperial guard and to have called that the new standard infantry kit alongside the Indomitus Crusade.


As Kanluwen says, we have that. Personally I don't see how it would be desirable to lose the great variety of Guard to a novelty regiment any more than losing it to Cadians. It's the same loss either way and just makes the faction less interesting.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 17:36:07


Post by: Olthannon


Kanluwen wrote:Um, that's basically what they did with the Cadian pattern armor?


Right and as the kit is close to 20 years old, let's go for a refresh.

Geifer wrote:
 Olthannon wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
Danny76 wrote:
Way too much talk of, now Cadia is gone we won’t (or shouldn’t) have that armour any more.
Like it isn’t the most mass produced armour on thousands of worlds now. That’s like standard uniform, whatever colour it is or place they’re from.
Like 80% of Guard in the universe wear that.


My retcon sense is tingling.



Mmm.. that only became the case when GW got rid of all the other kits and made an ingame reason for them being lazy bastards. It's a shame because the lore has so many cool regiments out there but it's a hard to create something unique with so few kits available.


Yeah. It's kind of a no model, no fluff deal. A very GW thing to do.

 Olthannon wrote:
A smart thing to do would be to create a standard kit similar to the old RT imperial guard and to have called that the new standard infantry kit alongside the Indomitus Crusade.


As Kanluwen says, we have that. Personally I don't see how it would be desirable to lose the great variety of Guard to a novelty regiment any more than losing it to Cadians. It's the same loss either way and just makes the faction less interesting.


As I posted way earlier in this thread, yes I would love to see more regiments. It's the main interesting thing about the guard. The Cadians are boring. It's why I keep saying they should do away with them. But I've had Kanluwen up my ass saying the Cadians are here forever.

However, seeing as I don't see GW really giving us multiple options in one kit, then at least a fresh pattern of guard kit would be slightly more interesting than more Cadians.





Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 17:37:30


Post by: Kanluwen


drbored wrote:
Is "Cadian" (read: the most mass-produced flak armor design in the galaxy) armor gunna become the new gatekeeping BS that we see coming out of 30k?

Probably, which is made all the funnier by some of the Siege of Terra covers literally having that Cadian style armor on them. :-D

Spoiler:



Personally, I almost bought Mortis just because I love that expression of "HAVE YOU SEEN THIS NONSENSE?!" on the one soldier.


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 Olthannon wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Um, that's basically what they did with the Cadian pattern armor?


Right and as the kit is close to 20 years old, let's go for a refresh.

I'm 100% down for a refresh on the Cadian kit. We've got new art for them that would be aces.

As I posted way earlier in this thread, yes I would love to see more regiments. It's the main interesting thing about the guard. The Cadians are boring. It's why I keep saying they should do away with them. But I've had Kanluwen up my ass saying the Cadians are here forever.

Nah. I've just been saying that their style of gear is likely to stick around. We have a credible rumour of a more "veteran" Cadian kit that is supposed to be more ragged and battleworn.


However, seeing as I don't see GW really giving us multiple options in one kit, then at least a fresh pattern of guard kit would be slightly more interesting than more Cadians.


Did you miss where we got Death Korps?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 18:26:28


Post by: Platuan4th


drbored wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
New sentinels looking less like AT RTs makes sense from a copyright perspective


The current Sentinel design predates the AT-RT even being a thing.


That sort of detail doesn't matter to a sci-fi franchise that is trying to separate itself from an IP that the dreaded mouse controls.


If GW were at all worried about Disney, they wouldn't have given them the comic license. And unlike Disney, GW actually has proof that Marvel stole their IP if Disney wanted to press the issue.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 18:26:33


Post by: Andykp


I like this armour myself. My current project, Mad robot make these nostalgic beauts. Happily see some of these brought back.

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Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 19:34:16


Post by: Slinky


That's some top-drawer nostalgia there, very nice!


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 20:32:16


Post by: Andykp


Nostalgia turned up to 11! I am building the army I wanted when I was 12! Just 36 years on.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 20:52:54


Post by: ERJAK


 Platuan4th wrote:
drbored wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
New sentinels looking less like AT RTs makes sense from a copyright perspective


The current Sentinel design predates the AT-RT even being a thing.


That sort of detail doesn't matter to a sci-fi franchise that is trying to separate itself from an IP that the dreaded mouse controls.


If GW were at all worried about Disney, they wouldn't have given them the comic license. And unlike Disney, GW actually has proof that Marvel stole their IP if Disney wanted to press the issue.


That one spiderman comic was hilariously blatant.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/19 21:14:33


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Venom Space Knight IIRC...


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 05:47:18


Post by: Spreelock


The auspex tactics channel just uploaded a video of guard leaks, seems like cadians are still a thing. When I started this hobby back in 90s, I was dreaming about plastic guard models, for every subfaction (mordian, tallarn etc.). And it's probably still possible, the gw has made two policies (no model, no rules) and (no third party models), so it might seem possible they could release other regiments aswell. The one thing I've been thinking, is that instead of having subfaction rules, the guard could have specialized regiments (artillery, mechanised, infantry, armoured, reserve etc.). That way even the players with old collection of miniatures would have options for how to field them.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 08:09:45


Post by: Miguelsan


Nothing new than MordianGlory didn't mention before. So either it's a really well made fake shown to several 40K Ytubers, or it's probably a legit leak of what's coming.

M.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 08:27:20


Post by: Kanluwen


 Miguelsan wrote:
Nothing new than MordianGlory didn't mention before. So either it's a really well made fake shown to several 40K Ytubers, or it's probably a legit leak of what's coming.

M.

which in turn were leaked long ago for the most part.

The new officer & commissar are really the only two new things.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 08:35:17


Post by: tneva82


 Spreelock wrote:
The auspex tactics channel just uploaded a video of guard leaks, seems like cadians are still a thing. When I started this hobby back in 90s, I was dreaming about plastic guard models, for every subfaction (mordian, tallarn etc.). And it's probably still possible, the gw has made two policies (no model, no rules) and (no third party models), so it might seem possible they could release other regiments aswell. The one thing I've been thinking, is that instead of having subfaction rules, the guard could have specialized regiments (artillery, mechanised, infantry, armoured, reserve etc.). That way even the players with old collection of miniatures would have options for how to field them.


Subfactions don't exactly count for no model no rules. Or are there subfaction specific custodians? Thousand sons? Grey knights?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 08:48:45


Post by: Spreelock


Then why would gw print rules for models that haven't been available for decades, yet there are lesser daemons with models and rules, not even starting with marines..


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 09:08:29


Post by: gungo


New sister of battle models were teased over a year before thier release… plus squats are releasing earlier through necromunda you wouldn’t place Gw teaser articles as reference for release date… in particular I don’t think world eaters are getting a big model release and that should be released before the large squat 40K army release. Regardless it feels like Guard is an early 2023 release and maybe the last 9th edition codex.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 10:56:18


Post by: Nevelon


tneva82 wrote:
 Spreelock wrote:
The auspex tactics channel just uploaded a video of guard leaks, seems like cadians are still a thing. When I started this hobby back in 90s, I was dreaming about plastic guard models, for every subfaction (mordian, tallarn etc.). And it's probably still possible, the gw has made two policies (no model, no rules) and (no third party models), so it might seem possible they could release other regiments aswell. The one thing I've been thinking, is that instead of having subfaction rules, the guard could have specialized regiments (artillery, mechanised, infantry, armoured, reserve etc.). That way even the players with old collection of miniatures would have options for how to field them.


Subfactions don't exactly count for no model no rules. Or are there subfaction specific custodians? Thousand sons? Grey knights?


For most armies subfactions are just a paint job. Paint your guys red for special rules. For guard you need greatcoats and fuzzy hats for some rules, biceps and bandannas for others.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 11:35:42


Post by: GaroRobe


 Platuan4th wrote:
drbored wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
New sentinels looking less like AT RTs makes sense from a copyright perspective


The current Sentinel design predates the AT-RT even being a thing.


That sort of detail doesn't matter to a sci-fi franchise that is trying to separate itself from an IP that the dreaded mouse controls.


If GW were at all worried about Disney, they wouldn't have given them the comic license. And unlike Disney, GW actually has proof that Marvel stole their IP if Disney wanted to press the issue.


Before the comic deal, a marvel artist literally stole 40k designs. Dude didn’t even bother changing tau logo on the ships. But I dont think gw ever did anything about it


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 11:47:21


Post by: The_Real_Chris


tneva82 wrote:
Subfactions don't exactly count for no model no rules. Or are there subfaction specific custodians? Thousand sons? Grey knights?


Buuuut.... IG had other regiment models. There are several companies that exist solely to make other regiments of guard. Hell at a con Anvil turned up with the off cuts bits box and you could make whatever soldier you wanted (my hankering to create a sci-fi Sikh sniper taking a break and having a drink on a broken gun carriage was sated). GW has form in killing off fun stuff that has even a hint of a different model.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 12:23:49


Post by: Gert


Death Korps got their Infantry kit and are rumoured to get more. Could be a sign.
GW just needs to keep the converted Regiment examples in the Codex to remind people that Cadians, Catachans, and Krieg aren't the only options.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 12:55:10


Post by: Spreelock


The Astra militarum is currently stuck with 3 subfaction (death korps, catachan, cadians) and tempestus scions to some extend. How would other factions do in the same situation?

Now, don't get me wrong, I'd like to see more subfaction get models and rules, but I don't think kitbashing is a good option. It costs a lot of money. Same goes with buying from eBay older collections of guard. The price is somewhere between 6-10 euros per model. That is nuts!

The Astra militarum surely needs more options and models, but in reasonable price for consumers, and businesses. I'm not saying that the only option is to re-make all of the old regiments (check my previous post above), but why even bother with writing the rules for something that has been oop for so long. Seems like a big joke.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 13:11:02


Post by: Platuan4th


 GaroRobe wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
drbored wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
New sentinels looking less like AT RTs makes sense from a copyright perspective


The current Sentinel design predates the AT-RT even being a thing.


That sort of detail doesn't matter to a sci-fi franchise that is trying to separate itself from an IP that the dreaded mouse controls.


If GW were at all worried about Disney, they wouldn't have given them the comic license. And unlike Disney, GW actually has proof that Marvel stole their IP if Disney wanted to press the issue.


Before the comic deal, a marvel artist literally stole 40k designs. Dude didn’t even bother changing tau logo on the ships. But I dont think gw ever did anything about it


That's...

That's literally what the second sentence of my post is about.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 13:19:08


Post by: Grimskul


GW's bias and focus towards marines and the redundancy of their range is kinda the opposite of what they did with guard. Outside of the vehicles, the guard range is very unfocused and lacks cohesion in terms of both the models and the rules for how the army is supposed to look like, with only a weird band-aid upgrade sprue to try and make the old Cadian box work and Catachans still being weird roided-up messes. Death Korps are a nice addition but then lack enough support for a command/HW kit as well gunner options for vehicles. Then for things like the SWS, veterans and conscripts you have to basically figure out for yourself which can be confusing for a newcomer. GW really need a proper range update for the faction rather than a half-assed 2-3 unit refresh like they did in the past.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 14:10:07


Post by: Dysartes


 Spreelock wrote:
The Astra militarum surely needs more options and models, but in reasonable price for consumers, and businesses. I'm not saying that the only option is to re-make all of the old regiments (check my previous post above), but why even bother with writing the rules for something that has been oop for so long. Seems like a big joke.

OOP for so long? Most, if not all apart from the Praetorians, had their Infantry Squad box available via Mail Order when the 8th ed IG book came out.

GW then made them OOP within a few months, in another stroke of pure, unadulterated genius...


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 15:01:36


Post by: Geifer


 Olthannon wrote:
As I posted way earlier in this thread, yes I would love to see more regiments. It's the main interesting thing about the guard. The Cadians are boring. It's why I keep saying they should do away with them. But I've had Kanluwen up my ass saying the Cadians are here forever.

However, seeing as I don't see GW really giving us multiple options in one kit, then at least a fresh pattern of guard kit would be slightly more interesting than more Cadians.


Well, they could make new Cadians that look like the 2nd ed metals. You'd get something different from the current Cadians and I'd get my cool Cadians back. And we'd still be stuck with Cadians forever, so everyone wins!

I guess with GW it's a problem of having really low expectations after a model was left to languish for too long. GW could totally provide us with different regiments if they wanted to. They could have totally made new Cadians and Catachans with fixed proportions in the last years that saw a trend for better human infantry such as Genestealer cultists. They could consolidate regiments with similar uniforms into multi-regiment kits. It's really bogus that GW figured that Guard should be stuck with models that weren't good at the time of release, and when they finally do something like the new Krieg, it's in a way that you don't get all the necessary infantry options.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 15:37:13


Post by: AtoMaki


 Geifer wrote:

Well, they could make new Cadians that look like the 2nd ed metals.

I would rebuy all my infantry models if they did that, and I have almost 500 of them.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 15:41:29


Post by: Spreelock


 Dysartes wrote:
 Spreelock wrote:
The Astra militarum surely needs more options and models, but in reasonable price for consumers, and businesses. I'm not saying that the only option is to re-make all of the old regiments (check my previous post above), but why even bother with writing the rules for something that has been oop for so long. Seems like a big joke.

OOP for so long? Most, if not all apart from the Praetorians, had their Infantry Squad box available via Mail Order when the 8th ed IG book came out.

GW then made them OOP within a few months, in another stroke of pure, unadulterated genius...


And what was the price of ten metal guardsman in the era of primaris plastic? Yeah, they've popped up couple of occasion, but that's nothing to build an army around. The last time I've seen.. let's say, mordian mortar team.. available in stores was early 2000.

The catachan are fine, but could definitely use refresh. The cadians are even better, I've collected an army of them, and I'm kinda ok with them. The death korps and scions are awesome, but need support of heavy weapons team and command squad.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 15:55:15


Post by: KillerAngel


Lot of complaining here, but you all need to realize that just because a company can do something, doesn't mean they should. If they think they can get X% return on an investment in refreshing AM line, but 1.2*X% investing in a different line, the resources will go there. They then go through the list of all possible investments, based on their strategic priorities, until they run out of resources that can be allocated. So we then have to wait until AM gets on that list (which clearly it has, just waiting to see to what degree).

One thing that has probably really hurt the numbers here, is the limited ability to IP-lock something like Guard when there are so many 3rd party alternatives. I know it sucks, and we all wish that the hobby was more art-centric than business-centric, but the fact is is that it's not, and GW has to focus on investing in what will give them the best returns.

That's not to say GW is perfect at this (oh no) and plenty to criticize their choices, as long as it's within the above paradigm (for example: maintaining a fanbase on a less-than profitable line as part of a longer strategic vision, or how much cash they hold in reserve vs invest in their product lines).




Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 16:06:13


Post by: Spreelock


Yes, that is very clear, business might come first in these terms, but the problem is that they keep publishing rules for the models that are unavailable. And even more to that, they've made policies for (no third party models) and (no model no rules). How on earth are you expected to play with tallarn, for example?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 16:19:02


Post by: KillerAngel


 Spreelock wrote:
How on earth are you expected to play with tallarn, for example?

I suspect it is the intersection of legacy inertia (lore, previous OOP metal and then FW resin miniatures) keeping the rules in place, but without a solid plan to generate a new plastic line that will provide enough of a return when competing with all the other not-Tallarn models that already exist. They either come up with a solution to that problem, or weight customer retention higher in their math. It's probably why it's taken so long, and maybe why it won't ever happen.




Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 16:40:28


Post by: BlackoCatto


I don't care anymore; I'm selling all my old Cadians for when WGA's Bulldogs come out. I'm taking my money elsewhere.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 18:22:36


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


I've suggested this before but it's worth considering.

One problem with the IG is that it's one of the easiest armies to sub in models for, almost any modern or near future figures will do. Near future rifleman is about the least protect-able IP out there.

So if I were GW, I would invest in the existing regiments since they have well-defined lore and looks. The Necromunda gangs had the same issue (House Jean Jacket, House Trenchcoat) but GW made them distinct by taking some elements to extremes. They also showed GW can do a pretty complete faction on a single sprue.

So do one sprue per regiment, 5 bodies and options. Do a second sprue of special and heavy weapons for any regiment. Include an alt build for each regiment on the sprue with vet heads, alt weapons etc. Even an officer head and a med pack for command squads (flags take up too much real estate IMHO so skip then).

So Tallarn get a sprue with 10 las guns, and a generic heavy/weapon sprue plus some alternate arms with melta guns and other raiding/sabotage arms.

Mordians get the same+some volley guns and Napoleonic type extras (bugle, drum, some shouldered weapons etc).

Valhallans same plus snipers.

Steel Legion same plus trench raider shot guns and axes.

And so on for as many regiments as GW wants to put out. And if one regiment goes OOP or OOS for a while, so be it.

Then maybe generic conscript sprue and generic command squad in Cadian type uniforms with some overdressed officers and attendants.

And you've got an army.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 18:41:04


Post by: Pyroalchi


@ Kid Kyoto: and if they then manage to design the kits in a way that you can mix and match between those... that would be great.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 19:26:18


Post by: AtoMaki


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Near future rifleman is about the least protect-able IP out there.

Power-armored soldiers with reasonably-sized shoulder pads and tacticool gear must be on the same level too, yet we all know what happened there...


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/20 19:49:55


Post by: spiralingcadaver


IDK I feel like more modestly between the trenchcoat base of DKK, the tunic/armor of cadians, and the light armor of catachan, there are a ton that could be adapted about as easily as marine upgrade sprues... ex: creative redesign would allow tallarn, mordian, and praetorian to fit a tunic base...


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/05/21 06:19:50


Post by: tneva82


 Spreelock wrote:
Yes, that is very clear, business might come first in these terms, but the problem is that they keep publishing rules for the models that are unavailable. And even more to that, they've made policies for (no third party models) and (no model no rules). How on earth are you expected to play with tallarn, for example?


Same way as other subfactions? Subfactions in gw games don't generally require specific models. Subfaction is name you put in list.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 14:19:36


Post by: AlexiusAxouchos


This seems to partly confirm Mordian Glory/Auspex Tactics' leak videos:

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Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 14:26:56


Post by: Chikout


 AlexiusAxouchos wrote:
This seems to partly confirm Mordian Glory/Auspex Tactics' leak videos:


Yup. That model exactly matches the description from the videos.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 14:46:41


Post by: AlexiusAxouchos


Sentinel leaked too:

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Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 14:51:10


Post by: MajorWesJanson


Looks like they are making the armored and scout sentinels into distinct kits. Nice.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 14:52:38


Post by: Geifer


I'm not saying that Sentinel is dreadful, but it is a scientifically proven fact that round things are heretical. It needs to better emulate glorious brick shape for the greater glory of the Emperor.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 14:53:02


Post by: Snrub


Eeewwwww. Look at that gross thing.

Guess I'll need to get a few of the current sentinals then.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 14:57:33


Post by: MajorWesJanson


 Geifer wrote:
I'm not saying that Sentinel is dreadful, but it is a scientifically proven fact that round things are heretical. It needs to better emulate glorious brick shape for the greater glory of the Emperor.


The Omnissiah approves of this new Mars pattern Sentinel


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 15:02:48


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Yeah but... why? The current one doesn't look bad by Imperial Guard standards


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 15:02:54


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 AlexiusAxouchos wrote:
This seems to partly confirm Mordian Glory/Auspex Tactics' leak videos:


All hail Lady Creeda!

I believe Victoria Miniatures already has a female Creed if anyone wants to get a jump start


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 15:04:54


Post by: ImAGeek


I don’t dislike the new sentinel, but the current one is pretty damn perfect imo. Hopefully it is a case of differentiating between Armoured and Scout Sentinels.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 15:06:04


Post by: Kanluwen


I loveses them.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 15:11:39


Post by: Shadow Walker


I need to see more pics from all angles to properly judge the new Sentinel. So far it looks ok.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 15:13:51


Post by: MinscS2


Not a fan of the new Sentinel.

I much prefer my current AT-ST's.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 15:16:25


Post by: Kanluwen


 ImAGeek wrote:
I don’t dislike the new sentinel, but the current one is pretty damn perfect imo. Hopefully it is a case of differentiating between Armoured and Scout Sentinels.

It also has a more archaic look that wouldn't be wildly out of place in, say, a Solar Auxilia force or a Tempestus Scions force...


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 15:21:42


Post by: GaroRobe


Wonder how it will look with GSC bits....

The new sentinel does have some Cawl Redemptor Dreadnought vibes, so maybe he updated the design? I have mixed feelings on it, but I held off on buying the current kit because its a bit dated, so I'm happy


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 15:22:52


Post by: ImAGeek


 Kanluwen wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
I don’t dislike the new sentinel, but the current one is pretty damn perfect imo. Hopefully it is a case of differentiating between Armoured and Scout Sentinels.

It also has a more archaic look that wouldn't be wildly out of place in, say, a Solar Auxilia force or a Tempestus Scions force...


Agreed actually, it would probably fit better there than the current one. I’d like both options rather than this replace the existing one.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 16:02:08


Post by: Kanluwen


Come to think of it, wouldn't look out of place in an AdMech force either...

I've been kinda/sorta wondering if we'll see Thallax or Tech-Guard show up at some point. Could see this showing up too.

Hell, might even show up in Leagues!


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 16:03:38


Post by: GiToRaZor


On the one hand, I am happy to see that Cadians will not be seen abandoned any time soon and it is great that there more female representation. And while I am happy with my Sentinels as they are, at least the new model is looking decent and not Primaris levels of Homer Simpsons Car of the Future bonkers.

On the other, I really hope it is not Creeds daughter and instead someone that got promoted by their background of (hopefully not 5th edition level Marneus Calgar levels of) tactical genius. But what I worry most is that this should be it, there won't be a massive overhaul for Guard and with the known and highly rumoured kits, that means we will not see additional infantry regiments or even just a refresh of the Catachans. Anytime before 10th or let's be honest, 11th, that is.

I seriously don't get where these guys see their priorities. Might be that their vision was the inspiration for that one Catachan model's paintjob. You know which one I'm talking about.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 16:16:44


Post by: GaroRobe


 Kanluwen wrote:
Come to think of it, wouldn't look out of place in an AdMech force either...

I've been kinda/sorta wondering if we'll see Thallax or Tech-Guard show up at some point. Could see this showing up too.

Hell, might even show up in Leagues!


Ooooh, that's what it is. Its an Onager on two legs.



I have also learned while googling that image that an onager is a donkey. Which is why its call a M.U.L.E. in 40k. I am so angry.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 16:30:31


Post by: Kanluwen


I said this when the name first leaked, but I'm leaning towards the moniker "Creed's Daughter" being an assumed title. He was a war orphan and was basically assigned a surname as far as I can recall.


Random bit of speculation, but the Sentinel might be intended to also double up as a "Command Sentinel". That diamond with skull looks remarkably officer-ish...


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 16:31:11


Post by: JWBS


I really like the new Sentinel. Then again I also really like the old Sentinel, and I have like eight of those. Luckily this new one can be an Imperial Sentinel, and my old Sentinels can be GSC Sentinels (which is what I bought them for anyway, so it's a win!).


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 16:36:20


Post by: No One Important


I was hoping for more of a not-quite-sexy militant librarian look on Lady Creed. Definitely not Squat Ancient in Creed Cosplay, as amusing as it would be to imagine the squats going "well crap, they lost their Creed and if their lines collapse we'll get dragged down too. Alright, fire up the Votann. Wait, it wants us to do WHAT!?"


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 17:35:41


Post by: BlackoCatto


Well, that is boring.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 17:41:46


Post by: Voss


 Kanluwen wrote:
I said this when the name first leaked, but I'm leaning towards the moniker "Creed's Daughter" being an assumed title. He was a war orphan and was basically assigned a surname as far as I can recall.

Being an orphan in no way precludes him from having children, or passing down his 'assigned' name.

---
Sentinel seems fine. I want a better look at the left side without... whatever bits and bobs are around it before passing judgement though.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 17:51:43


Post by: El Torro


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Yeah but... why? The current one doesn't look bad by Imperial Guard standards


That was my first thought too. Sentinels don't really need an update, and from the photo this new model doesn't seem to be much of an upgrade anyway.


The kit most in need of an update is the Catachan infantry. The Catachan Command Squad and Catachan Heavy Weapon Teams are more or less OK as they are, the infantry have been terrible since Day 1. Especially considering that Day 1 was a couple of decades ago.

I like that Kasrkin are making a comeback (I'm unlikely to replace my metal Kasrkin with them though). The rest of the new releases don't seem that interesting though.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 18:19:16


Post by: Kanluwen


Voss wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
I said this when the name first leaked, but I'm leaning towards the moniker "Creed's Daughter" being an assumed title. He was a war orphan and was basically assigned a surname as far as I can recall.

Being an orphan in no way precludes him from having children, or passing down his 'assigned' name.

Not arguing there's no way for it to be an actual relative--it just is a hunch. It's the kind of thing that plays to a trope and would totally fit.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 18:31:47


Post by: Olthannon


That sentinel isn't bad really, just a little odd. Maybe a bit too clean? I wonder if they'll give an in-game reason for the upgrade..

Still at least it means the Guard are definitely on the horizon.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 18:42:58


Post by: Voss


 Olthannon wrote:
That sentinel isn't bad really, just a little odd. Maybe a bit too clean? I wonder if they'll give an in-game reason for the upgrade..

In game upgrades are usually 'other patterns of <vehicle> from various Forge Worlds that were always in production this whole time' or 'found an older STC version that was better.'
Space marine tank variants had a special case of 'techmarines in <chapter> have been doing this unauthorized modification for a while now, but it just got approved by the AdMech recently for wider use.

Or, for the HH vehicle kits, 'rare now, but always existed, honest.'


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 19:02:33


Post by: Kanluwen


Eh...the Guard had plenty of "unauthorized modifications" that went legit.

Thunderer, for example, is a field-expedient mod of a Destroyer Tank Hunter. Same with the Stormsword superheavy.

Scuttlebutt is this is supposed to be a "Mars pattern" Sentinel.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 19:37:27


Post by: MajorWesJanson


 Kanluwen wrote:
Scuttlebutt is this is supposed to be a "Mars pattern" Sentinel.


Is it called that in the rumors somewhere? I only called it that because it has design cues from some of the Admech vehicles.

Personally convinced this is just a kit for an armored sentinel, not replacing the existing one.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 19:53:37


Post by: Slinky


Ms Creed looks good, not sure about the Sentinel, just seems to be a straight replacement that doesn't seem needed.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 20:29:54


Post by: necrontyrOG



Kasrkin


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 20:32:30


Post by: Shovellovin


That Kasrkin looks good! I'm curious if the idea is to field them as a veteran unit in a Cadian list or if they have the ability to be fielded on their own like Scions.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 20:44:16


Post by: Crimson


That Kasrin looks pretty good. It's just a shame that they're unlikely to update the basic troopers, as they got an upgrade sprue recently. We of course have the excellent looking Kriegers, but they don't visually go that well with these Kaskrin.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 20:45:12


Post by: Bobthehero


Cool. I'll definitely get a box of those Kasrkins.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 20:51:35


Post by: Kanluwen


 Crimson wrote:
That Kasrin looks pretty good. It's just a shame that they're unlikely to update the basic troopers, as they got an upgrade sprue recently. We of course have the excellent looking Kriegers, but they don't visually go that well with these Kaskrin.

There's literally supposed to be a new Cadian box that the upgrade sprue was intended for.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 20:57:06


Post by: clodax66


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
That Kasrin looks pretty good. It's just a shame that they're unlikely to update the basic troopers, as they got an upgrade sprue recently. We of course have the excellent looking Kriegers, but they don't visually go that well with these Kaskrin.

There's literally supposed to be a new Cadian box that the upgrade sprue was intended for.


Well I hope so. I really like the look of Cadians, but the sculps are old and need a refresh


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 20:57:40


Post by: ImAGeek


The Kasrkin looks fantastic, I’ve always liked those models and this looks basically the same so a win in my books.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 21:00:12


Post by: Andykp


New special character, in the supposed nameless horde of the imperial guard, meh.

New sentinel, fine as long as the old one stays as it should, it’s nice. Choice is good.

New kasrkin. Now that’s what we want. Lovely.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 21:07:43


Post by: JWBS


Kasrkin is okay but inferior to the originals. Noticably lighter, even though there seems to be only a couple of armour plates missing it has a huge effect. Still pretty cool though I'll buy some.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 21:11:37


Post by: Kanluwen


 ImAGeek wrote:
The Kasrkin looks fantastic, I’ve always liked those models and this looks basically the same so a win in my books.

It's beautiful. Just beautiful.

I can finally sell my metals and not feel bad about it.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 21:21:31


Post by: Crimson


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
That Kasrin looks pretty good. It's just a shame that they're unlikely to update the basic troopers, as they got an upgrade sprue recently. We of course have the excellent looking Kriegers, but they don't visually go that well with these Kaskrin.

There's literally supposed to be a new Cadian box that the upgrade sprue was intended for.

Oh? I haven't heard of this. IIRC, it wasn't part of the giant rumour dump that has been super reliable.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 21:25:32


Post by: Mentlegen324


I'm not sure on the new Kasrkin, it comes across as less like full-body carapace suit because of the lack of thigh armour. That seems like quite an odd change and I don't think it's a good one.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 21:28:58


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
That Kasrin looks pretty good. It's just a shame that they're unlikely to update the basic troopers, as they got an upgrade sprue recently. We of course have the excellent looking Kriegers, but they don't visually go that well with these Kaskrin.

There's literally supposed to be a new Cadian box that the upgrade sprue was intended for.


Source?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 21:29:08


Post by: Olthannon


Wow that new Kasrkin looks great. The narrowness of the gasmask really looks excellent.

I'm really keen for this release.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 21:31:45


Post by: Kanluwen


 Crimson wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
That Kasrin looks pretty good. It's just a shame that they're unlikely to update the basic troopers, as they got an upgrade sprue recently. We of course have the excellent looking Kriegers, but they don't visually go that well with these Kaskrin.

There's literally supposed to be a new Cadian box that the upgrade sprue was intended for.

Oh? I haven't heard of this. IIRC, it wasn't part of the giant rumour dump that has been super reliable.

Spoiler:


It was literally right there. The upgrade sprue intention part is not there, admittedly, but the new Cadian bit is.

Upgrade sprue part is something that is working off speculation/deduction.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I'm not sure on the new Kasrkin, it comes across as less like full-body carapace suit because of the lack of thigh armour. That seems like quite an odd change and I don't think it's a good one.

Thigh armor is there, it's just being obscured by the jacket hanging down.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 21:42:39


Post by: kurhanik


Ooooh, some nice looking kits. So long as they don't get rid of the old Sentinel kit the new one looks ok enough. The real question that comes to mind is will its legs be poseable like the current kit. That right there is what sold me on the current kit, being able to basically angle the legs however the hell you want to is great.

The new Kasrkin look nice as well, I wonder what kind of kit options there will be. I have plenty of the metals, but if 1 box gives a bunch of options the old kits never got to spread amongst them...


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 21:46:03


Post by: Togusa


This looks cool. I really, really wanted Catachans though. I bought Ripper Jackson and the Colonel in prep for it!


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 21:47:20


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
That Kasrin looks pretty good. It's just a shame that they're unlikely to update the basic troopers, as they got an upgrade sprue recently. We of course have the excellent looking Kriegers, but they don't visually go that well with these Kaskrin.

There's literally supposed to be a new Cadian box that the upgrade sprue was intended for.

Oh? I haven't heard of this. IIRC, it wasn't part of the giant rumour dump that has been super reliable.

Spoiler:


It was literally right there. The upgrade sprue intention part is not there, admittedly, but the new Cadian bit is.

Upgrade sprue part is something that is working off speculation/deduction.


Sooo, that's not actually what it said, and you're just making it up?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 21:48:44


Post by: judgedoug


please please please plastic Destroyer/Thunderer kit.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 21:48:46


Post by: Crimson


Yep. "Astra Militarum with veteran-style Cadians" is talking about the Kaskrin.




Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 21:53:44


Post by: Kanluwen


 Crimson wrote:
Yep. "Astra Militarum with veteran-style Cadians" is talking about the Kaskrin.



Spoiler:


You can interpret it that way, if you see fit. That rumour dump does however also single out "New Kasrkin".

The simple fact that they didn't actually redo the Cadians as a "new" setup, ala the Fire Warriors lends waaaaaaaay more credence to what I said than anything else.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 21:56:27


Post by: Mr Morden


More...Cadians......oh joy....


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 22:03:54


Post by: alphaecho




Thanks for finding pictures.

Hopefully this prompts an official GW article with clearer images.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 22:05:34


Post by: Togusa


 Slinky wrote:
Ms Creed looks good, not sure about the Sentinel, just seems to be a straight replacement that doesn't seem needed.


Rumors saying that is actually Creeds wife going around, is this true?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 22:11:28


Post by: Kanluwen


 Togusa wrote:
 Slinky wrote:
Ms Creed looks good, not sure about the Sentinel, just seems to be a straight replacement that doesn't seem needed.


Rumors saying that is actually Creeds wife going around, is this true?

We don't know.

The rumor's been that it is Creed's Daughter.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 22:15:02


Post by: Chairman Aeon


My Van Saar are going to love that new Sentinel.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 22:17:48


Post by: JWBS


From Auspex


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 22:41:22


Post by: Bobthehero


Yeah, that scoped rifle doesn't look like the hellgun of the Kasrkin shooting from the hips.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 22:46:59


Post by: Platuan4th


Full squad looks good.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 22:48:24


Post by: Olthannon


That does sort of look like new basic infantry in the back there.

It also looks like you can see the scout variant of the new sentinel in back.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 22:52:49


Post by: Kanluwen


O CAAAAAAAAAADIAAAAAAA...


But really. This is exciting.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 22:54:44


Post by: Voss


What's the gun on the infantry guy next to the arrow pointing at the commissar? It doesn't entirely look like lasgun to me. More LMG.

The HWT teams look basically the same, but that's a lot of blur.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 22:55:31


Post by: Bobthehero


Could be regular Volleygun?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 22:57:01


Post by: Kanluwen


JWBS wrote:
From Auspex
Spoiler:


I think it's a heavy stubber on the one guy. There's a belt feed that terminates in front of the leg rather than going around it.
There's also a plasma gun.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 22:58:29


Post by: necrontyrOG



Little better quality


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 23:01:30


Post by: Bobthehero


Okay I was wrong, that is a Hellgun.

Edit: You can see the thigh plates on the Sgt with the plasma pistol, as well, nice.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 23:05:29


Post by: JWBS


It's also clear that the shins are armoured (I was unsure from the initial pic). I take it back, I like these about as much as the old version, another absolute Banger GW!


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 23:05:49


Post by: ListenToMeWarriors


Definitely looks like, at least, a command squad upgrade sprue for regular Cadians if not a new kit altogether on the right of the picture.

New heavy weapons teams too.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 23:05:52


Post by: Olthannon


That new infantry kit looks great. The helmets look a lot more Armageddon Storm Trooper style and I like the smaller shoulder plates.


Looks like in the back the new grenade launcher looks exceedingly beefy.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 23:06:00


Post by: MajorWesJanson


I see stubber, grenade launcher and plasma on the guard in the back, a new commissar, and the command squad look different as well. Is that a guardswoman holding the standard?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 23:07:39


Post by: Arbitrator


Something about the Karskin looks off to me and I can't put my finger on it. They feel less weighty than the old metals maybe? I still like them. Also looks like they're on a different base to the other stuff so maybe they'll be for Kill-Team first.

Creed might be on the only Tactical Rock I don't hate.

Commissar looks much improved from the last plastic abomination.

Command Squad doesn't seem too different?

I like the running poses of the 'Veterans'.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 23:08:19


Post by: His Master's Voice


That's all new Cadians in the back, right? No way they do a heavy/special/command squad without doing the basic squad as well.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 23:13:19


Post by: caladancid


100 percent new basic infantry kit in the back. Looks great, cannot wait.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 23:23:02


Post by: JWBS



Zoom in on the regular troops and command, looks good for an extensive range refresh. Would new tanks be too much to hope for? New tanks are very much needed imo.



Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 23:23:41


Post by: Andykp


Sadly looks like a new sentinel without armour in the back too so maybe the old one is done for after all. New infantry kits look interesting though.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 23:25:17


Post by: BertBert


Plain awesome stuff. Not sold on the armoured sentinel yet but everything else looks great from what I can tell.

I'm happy for IG players who have been waiting decades for this.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 23:34:33


Post by: JWBS


Powerfist on the Kasrkin and ccw on the sentinel. I like the pose of the standard bearer, very cool. Also the standard troops looking very dynamic, gj on whoever designed those.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 23:37:53


Post by: Shakalooloo


Why are the Kasrkin's bases painted so differently?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 23:46:37


Post by: soviet13


 Shakalooloo wrote:
Why are the Kasrkin's bases painted so differently?


Perhaps they're from a kill team set?

I have a bunch of cadians already. Very interested in the new kasrkin, commissar, sentinel, and (when we see it) tank. Could be convinced to make another squad or two if the new troop/command/heavy weapon squads look good close up.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 23:54:08


Post by: MajorWesJanson


 Shakalooloo wrote:
Why are the Kasrkin's bases painted so differently?


Are they even painted at all?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/03 23:59:01


Post by: BertBert


 Shakalooloo wrote:
Why are the Kasrkin's bases painted so differently?


I'd assume these are from a kill team set with pre-printed details, maybe an urban setting, looks like street markings. The guy aiming through the sights in the back seems to be standing on a tactical piece of debris, same with the plasma pistol dude.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 00:09:55


Post by: Kanluwen


 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 Shakalooloo wrote:
Why are the Kasrkin's bases painted so differently?


Are they even painted at all?

Yes. They're painted in an urban setup with a bit of brown debris on them.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 00:19:05


Post by: GaroRobe


The commissar looks imposing.

What will happen to scions? The karsrkin look like they have the same options if not more


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 00:20:34


Post by: Kanluwen


 GaroRobe wrote:
The commissar looks imposing.

What will happen to scions? The karsrkin look like they have the same options if not more

Kasrkin are Cadian locked...so nothing?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 00:23:32


Post by: Bobthehero


Or Kasrkins will be used to represent Grenadiers. Scions and Grenadiers have different roles, and I suspect the latter will have regular IG Regiment keyword, and no deep-strike, while the former will have Scions keyword, the hotshot volley-gun and deep-strike


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 00:30:33


Post by: Kanluwen


Maybe, maybe not. "Grenadiers" is now specifically tied more towards the Death Korps than anything generic.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 00:41:42


Post by: Bobthehero


Personally, I wouldn't mind if Veterans with just lasguns went away to be replaced by Kasrkins/Grenadiers equivalents.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 02:26:57


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Yeah those are all-new infantry in the background there. And heavy weapons. And command elements. Bit surprising. I thought they'd release Death Korps stuff, not re-do Cadians.

Thicc Sentinel is fine I guess. Kasrkin are fine.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Something about the Karskin looks off to me and I can't put my finger on it. They feel less weighty than the old metals maybe? I still like them. Also looks like they're on a different base to the other stuff so maybe they'll be for Kill-Team first.
Don't worry. They'll all be a quarter inch taller than the original Kasrikin, so that'll make 'em look heavier.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 02:32:28


Post by: ArcaneHorror


JWBS wrote:
Zoom in on the regular troops and command, looks good for an extensive range refresh. Would new tanks be too much to hope for? New tanks are very much needed imo.



I believe that there was a rumor of a new tank coming out called the Rogal Dorn tank.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 02:48:38


Post by: Chikout


It all looks nice enough, but I wish gw would push the boat out a but further with the imperial guard. Why does it have to be Cadians yet again? There are so many regiments to choose from. I'd love to see something totally new.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 02:57:07


Post by: H.B.M.C.


No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 02:58:42


Post by: FrothingMuppet


To my eyes, that Infantry has stylings of Armageddon Steel Legion (chap next to grenade laucher on left), slim downed Cadians (centre chap next to plasma gunner and the Command team), and classic Imperial Army/Elyssian (chap running on right next to officer).

Whats the likelihood of a mixed look regiment box?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 03:15:14


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 FrothingMuppet wrote:
Whats the likelihood of a mixed look regiment box?
The box comes with enough parts to make 1 Vostroyan, 1 Catachan, 1 Mordian/Praetorian, 1 Valhallan, 1 Tallarn, 1 Cadian, 1 old-style Cadian, 1 Steel Legion/Death Korp, and one Necromundan 8th.

You need 10 boxes to do a single squad of any, and, in keeping with the spirit of 2nd Ed Guard, certain special weapons are incompatible with certain members of the squad, so the Grenade Launcher doesn't fit with the Cadians, the Plasma Gun won't work on the Mordians or Valhallans, and the Flamer doesn't go with the Tallarn body. Inexplicably, the Steel Legion and Catachan body will take any weapon type.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 03:34:23


Post by: PondaNagura


The sentinel bodies look like they have symmetrical hardpoints. The armored one has that searchlight, but the scout variant looks like it has a heavy bolter arm.
Wonder if we'll see more ccw types?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 04:18:28


Post by: MajorWesJanson


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.


They keep it in the same garages as the Siegfrieds, Ragnaroks, Praetors, Crassus, Carnodons, Excertus, Macharius, Malcadors, and Testudos.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 04:26:45


Post by: Grimskul


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 FrothingMuppet wrote:
Whats the likelihood of a mixed look regiment box?
The box comes with enough parts to make 1 Vostroyan, 1 Catachan, 1 Mordian/Praetorian, 1 Valhallan, 1 Tallarn, 1 Cadian, 1 old-style Cadian, 1 Steel Legion/Death Korp, and one Necromundan 8th.

You need 10 boxes to do a single squad of any, and, in keeping with the spirit of 2nd Ed Guard, certain special weapons are incompatible with certain members of the squad, so the Grenade Launcher doesn't fit with the Cadians, the Plasma Gun won't work on the Mordians or Valhallans, and the Flamer doesn't go with the Tallarn body. Inexplicably, the Steel Legion and Catachan body will take any weapon type.


SHHHH stop giving them ideas!

But for real though, I'm glad that they're giving Cadians a proper refresh across the range because I was very worried with the recent Cadian upgrade kit they were going to release a few standalone kits and ignore the aging range and call it day. Kasrkin look sick, as does the new Commissar and I'm actually okay with Creed 2.0 too (sad there's no Kell equivalent though). Mixed feelings about the Sentinel being too round (will have to see the 360 view) and I'm hoping the Rogal Dorn actually looks suitably blocky closer to a Baneblade or the new Kratos tank than something rounded/too admech like the new Sentinel is.

The real question is are they going to update the roided up oldies that is the Catachan kit?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 04:31:55


Post by: TalonZahn


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 FrothingMuppet wrote:
Whats the likelihood of a mixed look regiment box?
The box comes with enough parts to make 1 Vostroyan, 1 Catachan, 1 Mordian/Praetorian, 1 Valhallan, 1 Tallarn, 1 Cadian, 1 old-style Cadian, 1 Steel Legion/Death Korp, and one Necromundan 8th.

You need 10 boxes to do a single squad of any, and, in keeping with the spirit of 2nd Ed Guard, certain special weapons are incompatible with certain members of the squad, so the Grenade Launcher doesn't fit with the Cadians, the Plasma Gun won't work on the Mordians or Valhallans, and the Flamer doesn't go with the Tallarn body. Inexplicably, the Steel Legion and Catachan body will take any weapon type.


All the arms will be in a separate "Special Weapons" box like the new HH.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 04:54:44


Post by: Old-Four-Arms


So, Heavy bolter, Autocannon and missile launcher weapon teams at least.

Regular infantry look like they're sporting packs (lighter element can be seen behind helmet - a bedroll ?).
If so, hope they're optional and can be left off without having a huge hole in the back.

The trooper between grenader launcher guy and plasma dude, is that a regular lasgun ?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 05:05:48


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I would hope that the Cadian infantry doesn't get any larger. They're already too big.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 05:28:29


Post by: crumby_cataphract


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I would hope that the Cadian infantry doesn't get any larger. They're already too big.


Why would you worry about this? All new human infantry since the Skitarii have been properly proportioned (with the possible exception of SoB, though I think that their extra height comes mainly from their power armor).


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 05:35:55


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 crumby_cataphract wrote:
Why would you worry about this? All new human infantry since the Skitarii have been properly proportioned (with the possible exception of SoB, though I think that their extra height comes mainly from their power armor).
The Necromunda humans are massive.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 05:42:06


Post by: Grimskul


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 crumby_cataphract wrote:
Why would you worry about this? All new human infantry since the Skitarii have been properly proportioned (with the possible exception of SoB, though I think that their extra height comes mainly from their power armor).
The Necromunda humans are massive.


Yeah, my friend used the palanite enforcers as stand-in scouts for his SM army for a reason.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 05:54:38


Post by: GoatboyBeta


Damnit GW, plastic HH, Squats and now IG where the basic troopers don't look awful?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 05:58:52


Post by: Daedalus81


 AlexiusAxouchos wrote:
Sentinel leaked too:


God damn I love this model...


Automatically Appended Next Post:


God damnit I don't want to collect another army...



Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 06:08:15


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Daedalus81 wrote:
God damnit I don't want to collect another army...
If you collect every army, then you can never be tempted to start a new one!


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 06:08:41


Post by: Dirk Reinecke


So it looks like the Cadians will get a full range refresh. We have the HQ, the elites, the fast attack and the heavy support and a new troops box.

The new squad in the background is a bit worrying as it doesn't contain a heavy weapon, aside from potentially the heavy stubber.

I wonder when they will relase more detail.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 07:53:12


Post by: Shakalooloo


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 crumby_cataphract wrote:
Why would you worry about this? All new human infantry since the Skitarii have been properly proportioned (with the possible exception of SoB, though I think that their extra height comes mainly from their power armor).
The Necromunda humans are massive.


I'd wager these new troopers will be closer to the Krieg than the Delaque.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 07:55:54


Post by: Agamemnon2


Dirk Reinecke wrote:

I wonder when they will relase more detail.


Could be today, could be ten months from now. Who knows why madmen do what they do?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 08:20:58


Post by: GiToRaZor


I take back what I said, I am impressed. This is a complete overhaul of Cadia. This is a good start, I hope they won't leave the other regiments hanging for too long.

Side note, the Infantry Squad has, from what I can see, no Sergeant with CCW and Pistol Combo. But I can only count 9 Guardsmen anyway, so maybe I'm missing him?
There are 2 Special Weapons, so maybe the rumour is true, no more HW and instead 2SW per Squad. The Las Rifles are difficult to see, but they look more like carbines or shotguns.

I'm curious how they fix HWSs, because if they stay in Heavy Support they are DOA except for smaller games. Hopefully they are a free slot per Infantry Squad or Platoons are back or something.

The Kasrkin are great, they look imposing. If the entire line looks like this, the IG will be a little less comic. Which is another plus. Current Cadians look like potatoes with helmets on, even with the new head kit.

I really like the new Commissar. Oozes off fear and control. Way better than the prancing ghouls and fat blabbermouths we had so far.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 08:28:48


Post by: Dudeface


Just noticed the Kasarkin bases are totally different style to the rest which suggests they're a separate release, likely kill team.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 08:32:05


Post by: alphaecho


 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Dirk Reinecke wrote:

I wonder when they will relase more detail.


Could be today, could be ten months from now. Who knows why madmen do what they do?


Hopefully sooner. GW sometimes follow leaks with an official announcement to combat the potato cam photos. Maybe they feel like they're taking back some control.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 08:46:48


Post by: Grimtuff


 crumby_cataphract wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I would hope that the Cadian infantry doesn't get any larger. They're already too big.


Why would you worry about this? All new human infantry since the Skitarii have been properly proportioned (with the possible exception of SoB, though I think that their extra height comes mainly from their power armor).


But they haven't. The Necromunda and BSF Traitor Guard are bigger than the plastic Cadians, which were already oversized.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 11:20:25


Post by: pgmason


Looks like the spotter/loader for the missile launcher has a vox caster. Would be nice for heavy weapons teams to be on the comm-net for a change.

The Kasrkin are great and I really like Lady Creed.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 11:20:58


Post by: xttz


alphaecho wrote:


Hopefully sooner. GW sometimes follow leaks with an official announcement to combat the potato cam photos. Maybe they feel like they're taking back some control.


It depends on how far away from release these models are. If they already have all the promotional photos done it's pretty quick to throw together an article, but models that are 6+ months out may not be fully photographed yet.

The material for leaks like the Avatar & Tyranid Parasite were ready to go, but the Horus Heresy leaks we got a year ago went by without any official acknowledgement.



Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 11:45:20


Post by: lord_blackfang


Meh on the Sentinel. It went from a straight AT-ST ripoff to a generic direct-to-TV-movie sci fi clone.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 13:22:37


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.


At least they waited until GW relearned how to make good vehicles.

That 2008 IG wave with the Baneblade and Valk were AWESOME.

But most vehicles from the 2010s were just embarrassingly bad. The Storm Raven and Storm Talon especially come to mind, and most of the Primaris vehicles.

But the SoB and HH stuff has been great so I have high hopes for this


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 13:45:42


Post by: JWBS


I have no love for the Leman Russ and the Chimera. They always looked so much worse to me than the SM vehicles from around that era.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 13:50:39


Post by: Andykp


 lord_blackfang wrote:
Meh on the Sentinel. It went from a straight AT-ST ripoff to a generic direct-to-TV-movie sci fi clone.


Just bought a pair of the old ones just in case they do go.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 16:23:09


Post by: caladancid


As much as the models look great, it is super lazy to not paint a Kasrkin unit with matching bases. Very weird choice for a marketing picture.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 16:31:09


Post by: Dudeface


caladancid wrote:
As much as the models look great, it is super lazy to not paint a Kasrkin unit with matching bases. Very weird choice for a marketing picture.


They're likely painted for a different product/release.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 16:31:27


Post by: zamerion


with those bases it looks like a kill team in a necron fortress.


karskin vs necrons?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 16:34:44


Post by: Sabotage!


Everything looks really good in my opinion, nice to see Cadians that actually look decent, rather than the horridly proportioned troop box we have today that is 20 years old.

I’m really digging those Kasrkin, but based on the base I’m hoping they aren’t another KT release….I already have too many teams for that game and don’t want to be tempted to add another!


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 16:47:29


Post by: BrookM


Hopefully Guard sergeants this time around can take a lasgun just like their troopers.

Also, fingers crossed that veterans can still take shotguns and that the new kit will have those included at long last.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 17:53:40


Post by: Chairman Aeon


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.


When your cool setting involves no new tech, you just have to keep retconning new things to always have been there. God, how I wish they'd blow up 40K to allow it to actually progress...


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 18:03:03


Post by: JWBS


You could just accept that the occasional retcons are easy to condone, given the setting. You could try that.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 18:07:39


Post by: Crimson


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.


Would you prefer Belisarius Cawl having recently invented it?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 18:08:23


Post by: caladancid


Dudeface wrote:
caladancid wrote:
As much as the models look great, it is super lazy to not paint a Kasrkin unit with matching bases. Very weird choice for a marketing picture.


They're likely painted for a different product/release.


Yes I think you are correct- still lazy to not have one painted for the 40k picture.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 18:13:32


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Chairman Aeon wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.


When your cool setting involves no new tech, you just have to keep retconning new things to always have been there. God, how I wish they'd blow up 40K to allow it to actually progress...


The last time that happened, we got Primaris and their horrifying abominations of vehicles.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 18:34:26


Post by: Scottywan82


Primaris vehicles are pretty bland, but the marines are lightyears better than the old ones.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 21:26:11


Post by: Kanluwen


Newest tidbit from Ok_Entrepreneur3004 on Reddit has the Cadian Shock Troops getting their own datasheet.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 21:30:29


Post by: GaroRobe


Just out of curiosity, has any kill team set been painted with unique bases? Even the necron one with flayed ones featured typical bases

Only BSF had all black bases….


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 21:32:22


Post by: Grimskul


 Kanluwen wrote:
Newest tidbit from Ok_Entrepreneur3004 on Reddit has the Cadian Shock Troops getting their own datasheet.


Really? That's a bit surprising. So not only are they getting their own specialist unit for Kasrkin, but they're getting a specific troops choice as well? Wonder how they are going to distinguish them enough from regular infantry squads when veterans already exist (unless that datasheet is getting squatted somehow).


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 21:36:41


Post by: MajorWesJanson


 Grimskul wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Newest tidbit from Ok_Entrepreneur3004 on Reddit has the Cadian Shock Troops getting their own datasheet.


Really? That's a bit surprising. So not only are they getting their own specialist unit for Kasrkin, but they're getting a specific troops choice as well? Wonder how they are going to distinguish them enough from regular infantry squads when veterans already exist (unless that datasheet is getting squatted somehow).


Maybe they will keep the legacy infantry squad, but cadian squads will drop the heavy weapon team in favor of extra and new special weapons. Maybe also have one of the rules where one heavy weapon squad doesn't take up a slot for each troop squad you take.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 22:09:09


Post by: Kanluwen


I've been speculating for awhile now that they're going to give Guard a kind of "regiments of renown" setup.

This might be confirmation of it.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 22:09:48


Post by: Grimskul


 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 Grimskul wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Newest tidbit from Ok_Entrepreneur3004 on Reddit has the Cadian Shock Troops getting their own datasheet.


Really? That's a bit surprising. So not only are they getting their own specialist unit for Kasrkin, but they're getting a specific troops choice as well? Wonder how they are going to distinguish them enough from regular infantry squads when veterans already exist (unless that datasheet is getting squatted somehow).


Maybe they will keep the legacy infantry squad, but cadian squads will drop the heavy weapon team in favor of extra and new special weapons. Maybe also have one of the rules where one heavy weapon squad doesn't take up a slot for each troop squad you take.


I'm more expecting some sort of bespoke rule in their datasheet that reflects their title as "shock troops", maybe some type of "shield-company" thing where they get some bonus for being near an objective like guardians currently do.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 22:13:13


Post by: MajorWesJanson


If Cadian Heavy weapons are getting a new kit, is it possible there will also be a Krieg version to go with their plastics? Maybe both will have a troop, command, and heavy weapon box, then cadians will get kasrkin while kreig get death riders?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/04 22:15:03


Post by: Kanluwen


Krieg are supposed to be getting Grenadiers/Combat Engineers and Death Riders--plus the HWS and a Command box.

It might be that the Kasrkin are a dual build kit?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 02:15:04


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Crimson wrote:
Would you prefer Belisarius Cawl having recently invented it?
Impossible. It'd be called the Cawl Battle Tank then.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 02:55:20


Post by: ArcaneHorror


Chairman Aeon wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.


When your cool setting involves no new tech, you just have to keep retconning new things to always have been there. God, how I wish they'd blow up 40K to allow it to actually progress...


Crimson wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.


Would you prefer Belisarius Cawl having recently invented it?


Invent it? No. But I think they could have the story be where the tank has been out of use for one reason or another, and Cawl decides to bring them back into production. This could also be used to explain the Horus Heresy tanks that are undoubtedly going to be filling the field since they are now in plastic. Cawl simply decides that the Mechanicus has gotten lazy and let perfectly could vehicles be ignored, and thus orders them to be built again.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 03:07:34


Post by: Gadzilla666


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
Would you prefer Belisarius Cawl having recently invented it?
Impossible. It'd be called the Cawl Battle Tank then.

Nah. If Cawl invented it, it's name would have to end in either "er", or "or". With 10,000 years to come up with names, you'd think he'd be a little more creative.......


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 03:20:24


Post by: Voss


The Interferior!



Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 07:54:54


Post by: Shakalooloo


 Kanluwen wrote:
I've been speculating for awhile now that they're going to give Guard a kind of "regiments of renown" setup.

This might be confirmation of it.


Maybe it'll be the guard version of the current codex 'upgrade system', in place of Space Marine chapter honours, Sororitas blessings, Drukhari favoured retinues, Proficient Planning, etc.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 10:43:05


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


Seeing the Horus Heresy releases, I really wish that guard would get back the ability to take Rhinos.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 10:57:28


Post by: ProfSrlojohn


 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Chairman Aeon wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.


When your cool setting involves no new tech, you just have to keep retconning new things to always have been there. God, how I wish they'd blow up 40K to allow it to actually progress...


Crimson wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.


Would you prefer Belisarius Cawl having recently invented it?


Invent it? No. But I think they could have the story be where the tank has been out of use for one reason or another, and Cawl decides to bring them back into production. This could also be used to explain the Horus Heresy tanks that are undoubtedly going to be filling the field since they are now in plastic. Cawl simply decides that the Mechanicus has gotten lazy and let perfectly could vehicles be ignored, and thus orders them to be built again.


If I recall correctly, that's the reason things like the Macharius weren't seen until Vraks. It filled an odd niche: If you need an MBT you just went for a Leman Russ, if you need a heavy tank, the baneblade is heavier. But it was perfect for Vraks as a line-breaker and bunker-killer, (and I think Kreig in general kept them around in general anyway) so they pulled them out of the warehouses.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 11:29:28


Post by: DeadliestIdiot


Another alternative (that could be used to explain multiple shake ups including the new sentinel look) is the discovery of another STC


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 11:38:54


Post by: Andykp


Complaining about new vehicles coming out is a bit redundant now, guard and marines got new tanks each edition pretty much and no one minds, because we all like new tanks. Technology being stagnant is a nice story hook but not good a business model.

I prefer the idea of some radical admech types making new stuff to the hand wave of it was always there you just didn’t notice it before.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 12:07:38


Post by: Kanluwen


 Shakalooloo wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
I've been speculating for awhile now that they're going to give Guard a kind of "regiments of renown" setup.

This might be confirmation of it.


Maybe it'll be the guard version of the current codex 'upgrade system', in place of Space Marine chapter honours, Sororitas blessings, Drukhari favoured retinues, Proficient Planning, etc.

Or it will be an entirely new setup.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 12:08:45


Post by: Segersgia


There are still other ways to justify the sentinel. I’m betting it will be a new pattern from a different Forgeworld, like Agripinaa or Graia, that finally has finished manufacturing them to supply demand. The Cadian pattern is probably not getting built anymore.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 12:54:00


Post by: beefeb


 Segersgia wrote:
There are still other ways to justify the sentinel. I’m betting it will be a new pattern from a different Forgeworld, like Agripinaa or Graia, that finally has finished manufacturing them to supply demand. The Cadian pattern is probably not getting built anymore.



CM Valrak, who has had a very good run of rumours from his source, and who mentioned new kasrkin, sentinel, tank, heavy weapons, stated that the new sentinel is cawl-ified, if thats a proper word, lol.


Im delighted for the attention guard is getting...long overdue, i got so tired of missing out on new releases for guard I started a space marines army. In all seriousness its funny how this image leaked just after the preorders for HH. Im very happy i didnt take the plunge with the HH set or the killteam traitor guard set and waited for the new guard stuff to come.....it looks like that was a good call. Cant wait for these....the leak/rumour said they were due around october.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 13:05:52


Post by: Kanluwen


Bluntly, "cawl-ified" means nothing. It could mean that there's extra gubbins on the kit or that it's a pattern from a secret tech hoard.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 13:44:52


Post by: Segersgia


beefeb wrote:
 Segersgia wrote:
There are still other ways to justify the sentinel. I’m betting it will be a new pattern from a different Forgeworld, like Agripinaa or Graia, that finally has finished manufacturing them to supply demand. The Cadian pattern is probably not getting built anymore.



CM Valrak, who has had a very good run of rumours from his source, and who mentioned new kasrkin, sentinel, tank, heavy weapons, stated that the new sentinel is cawl-ified, if thats a proper word, lol.


Was it his most recent video? Might check it out. I know Valrak, and I also know that sometimes his conjecture can sometimes mix in with the actual information he got from his source. Still, he isn’t someone that makes up rumours and leaks for views, so atleast when he says stuff, it usually comes true.

EDIT: I checked out both videos. He speculates on its design. He doesn’t state anything about Cawl’s involvement. Still. A possible theory.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 14:19:33


Post by: caladancid


beefeb wrote:
 Segersgia wrote:
There are still other ways to justify the sentinel. I’m betting it will be a new pattern from a different Forgeworld, like Agripinaa or Graia, that finally has finished manufacturing them to supply demand. The Cadian pattern is probably not getting built anymore.



CM Valrak, who has had a very good run of rumours from his source, and who mentioned new kasrkin, sentinel, tank, heavy weapons, stated that the new sentinel is cawl-ified, if thats a proper word, lol.


Im delighted for the attention guard is getting...long overdue, i got so tired of missing out on new releases for guard I started a space marines army. In all seriousness its funny how this image leaked just after the preorders for HH. Im very happy i didnt take the plunge with the HH set or the killteam traitor guard set and waited for the new guard stuff to come.....it looks like that was a good call. Cant wait for these....the leak/rumour said they were due around october.


I did not see the October release date in the rumors from the past...which ones said that?


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 20:10:33


Post by: Kanluwen


 Kanluwen wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 Shakalooloo wrote:
Why are the Kasrkin's bases painted so differently?


Are they even painted at all?

Yes. They're painted in an urban setup with a bit of brown debris on them.

So, bringing this bit back up...

We might be seeing Zone Mortalis becoming a fixture for 40k proper. I hadn't noticed it earlier but the scenery is all on top of ZM tiles from Newcromunda.


If you look, you can see the ventilation cover that is a hallmark of those tiles.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 20:54:33


Post by: beefeb


caladancid wrote:
beefeb wrote:
 Segersgia wrote:
There are still other ways to justify the sentinel. I’m betting it will be a new pattern from a different Forgeworld, like Agripinaa or Graia, that finally has finished manufacturing them to supply demand. The Cadian pattern is probably not getting built anymore.



CM Valrak, who has had a very good run of rumours from his source, and who mentioned new kasrkin, sentinel, tank, heavy weapons, stated that the new sentinel is cawl-ified, if thats a proper word, lol.


Im delighted for the attention guard is getting...long overdue, i got so tired of missing out on new releases for guard I started a space marines army. In all seriousness its funny how this image leaked just after the preorders for HH. Im very happy i didnt take the plunge with the HH set or the killteam traitor guard set and waited for the new guard stuff to come.....it looks like that was a good call. Cant wait for these....the leak/rumour said they were due around october.


I did not see the October release date in the rumors from the past...which ones said that?


I genuinely cannot remember, I couldve sworn it was Valrak himself.....perhaps it was on the discord rather than the blog.....my apologies if its rose timted glasses on my part. It may have come up in the chat about it on the Bolter & Chainsword forums....similarly the cawlified reference was on the post there too, Im sure, but B&C is dwn currently as its crossing the rubicon primaris and getting a server update.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/05 21:13:41


Post by: Kanluwen


The "cawlified" reference was not valrak or anyone tied to the rumors.

It's the usual chann-y nonsense.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 02:30:53


Post by: Jarms48


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
Would you prefer Belisarius Cawl having recently invented it?
Impossible. It'd be called the Cawl Battle Tank then.


I still hate the fact GW just didn’t make Malcador and Macharius tanks in plastic. Like they did with all those HH vehicles.


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caladancid wrote:

I did not see the October release date in the rumors from the past...which ones said that?


I know nothing about October but it’s possible. There’s only 6 codexes left. So could be something like:

- CSM: June
- Squats: July

August to November:
- WE
- SM2.0
- Guard
- Daemons

That’s assuming 1 codex per month. Any double codex release would easily speed that up.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Krieg are supposed to be getting Grenadiers/Combat Engineers and Death Riders--plus the HWS and a Command box.

It might be that the Kasrkin are a dual build kit?


There were rumours DKOK getting their own codex/supplement in 10th. So likely a second release wave with these.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 06:46:41


Post by: Duskweaver


beefeb wrote:
cawl-ified, if thats a proper word, lol.

Surely it should be "Cawlifobbled"?

(Nobody outside Derbyshire will understand this reference.)


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 08:23:25


Post by: dan2026


I could see CSM and Daemons being a dual codex release. They've done it before.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 08:27:52


Post by: Agamemnon2


Jarms48 wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
Would you prefer Belisarius Cawl having recently invented it?
Impossible. It'd be called the Cawl Battle Tank then.


I still hate the fact GW just didn’t make Malcador and Macharius tanks in plastic. Like they did with all those HH vehicles.

I've always loved the Malcador, so I heartily agree with this. Or they could have given us the Ragnarok, which was a Specialist Games invention for the Baran Siege Masters army list for Epic: Armageddon.

GW's track record with creating completely new IG vehicles is not that extensive and has resulted in a couple of absolute duffers (Taurox and Wyvern) so I'm a bit apprehensive about the rumor that they've making a brand spanking new tank.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 09:16:58


Post by: Dudeface


Jarms48 wrote:

I know nothing about October but it’s possible. There’s only 6 codexes left. So could be something like:

- CSM: June
- Squats: July

August to November:
- WE
- SM2.0
- Guard
- Daemons

That’s assuming 1 codex per month. Any double codex release would easily speed that up.


CSM will almost certainly not land in June at this point, it'll be preorders go up last weekend in June as a guess, there's HH on the 18th, 2 sigmar books to get out for their recent box set, a couple of specialist odds and sods awaiting and CSM will likely be a multi-week release as a guess.

Personally, I think Squats will be the pre-christmas November release slot, WE will end up in Jan and then guard/Daemons sandwiching a September marine release. At this stage I think the Marine 2.0 thing is actually 10th 1.0.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 09:56:48


Post by: tneva82


Preorder on 18 isn't announced. And yes aos has 2 battletomes but they could just as likely come to preorder on 25th. Csm certainly been hinted and previewed longer than sylvaneth&skaven so expecting it first.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 10:24:24


Post by: xttz


New AOS stuff tends to go out mid-month, while 40k codex releases accompanied by multiple new models are typically end of month when people most commonly get paid.

I'd definitely expect the AOS battletomes to be up for preorder on the 18th, and for CSM to be either June 25th or July 2nd with lots more preview articles starting this week.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 10:36:46


Post by: Garrac


 dan2026 wrote:
I could see CSM and Daemons being a dual codex release. They've done it before.

Problem is, we haven't seen any rumours about anything demosn related. I think in fact that CSM, squats, AM and WE will be released before


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 10:44:03


Post by: Kanluwen


From reddit's Ok_Entrepeneur:
Do you want your super heavy to be tougher, more armored, with more wounds? We'll come on down to discount Dave's tank emporium! We got tanks which you'd never want to shoot damage 1 weapons into unless it's AP2! We got tanks which will wound everything on 2's causing INCREDIBLE damage!

What's that officer? YOU want to roll in style shouting "drive me closer so I can hit the enemy with my sword" well have I got an upgrade for you!

Scared those pesky melta guns are going to scratch your paint or those weird guys with wands and pointy hats are going to pop your head? Well on offer today is buy one get one free on this one time only upgrade


Response to "are Baneblades getting any upgrades?". Sounds like some traits are a-comin'.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 10:49:23


Post by: xttz


Garrac wrote:
 dan2026 wrote:
I could see CSM and Daemons being a dual codex release. They've done it before.

Problem is, we haven't seen any rumours about anything demosn related. I think in fact that CSM, squats, AM and WE will be released before

We have had a single Daemons rumour from OK_E - he said that any Chaos faction can bring Daemon allies up to 25% of their points without losing access to faction special rules.

As for when it comes out, that probably depends on what's coming with it. With major model updates for CSM, Squats, Imperial Guard and World Eaters all on the horizon I'll be surprised to see Daemons as another major release in 2022. At least one of those would be pushed into next year. Of course Daemons could just be the final small codex & single character release for 9th slotted in between other stuff.

OK_E has also just dropped another tidbit on Guard:
>Hey entrepreneur, any idea if any of the baneblade variants are going to see a stormsurge type glow up and actually be viable to play with?

Ok_Entrepreneur3004
Do you want your super heavy to be tougher, more armored, with more wounds? We'll come on down to discount Dave's tank emporium! We got tanks which you'd never want to shoot damage 1 weapons into unless it's AP2! We got tanks which will wound everything on 2's causing INCREDIBLE damage!

What's that officer? YOU want to roll in style shouting "drive me closer so I can hit the enemy with my sword" well have I got an upgrade for you!

Scared those pesky melta guns are going to scratch your paint or those weird guys with wands and pointy hats are going to pop your head? Well on offer today is buy one get one free on this one time only upgrade


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 10:55:14


Post by: Dudeface


Garrac wrote:
 dan2026 wrote:
I could see CSM and Daemons being a dual codex release. They've done it before.

Problem is, we haven't seen any rumours about anything demosn related. I think in fact that CSM, squats, AM and WE will be released before


There's comments from the rumour people about the Daemons Codex allowing 25% of the army in a daemons detachment without breaking faction rules much like brood brothers, so Daemons rumours have started appearing.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 11:15:17


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Dudeface wrote:
Garrac wrote:
 dan2026 wrote:
I could see CSM and Daemons being a dual codex release. They've done it before.

Problem is, we haven't seen any rumours about anything demosn related. I think in fact that CSM, squats, AM and WE will be released before


There's comments from the rumour people about the Daemons Codex allowing 25% of the army in a daemons detachment without breaking faction rules much like brood brothers, so Daemons rumours have started appearing.


Sounds more like a CSM rumor to me.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 11:52:18


Post by: xttz


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


Sounds more like a CSM rumor to me.

The source said "Wait till the daemon book" - which makes sense as we already have several Chaos codexes without this rule.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 16:37:10


Post by: Kanluwen


Cadia stands!

Ursula Creed

Ursula Creed is the Lord Castellan of Cadia – and we dare any of you to tell her that she can’t hold the post simply because Abaddon destroyed that entire planet. Creed follows in her father’s footsteps – but while nepotism is alive and well in the 41st Millennium, this is no hereditary title. She’s earned that mantle like her father before her, and is every bit as ruthless, tactical, and unflinching.

Spoiler:


There's a helmeted version too!

Kasrkin

The new Lord Castellan deserves to command only the finest troops in battle – and who better than the renowned Kasrkin? These warriors are the elite of the elite, and they’re getting a stunning kit to match their fearsome reputation.
Clad in the finest carapace armour, these special forces have more skills than your standard Astra Militarum trooper, and are able to cut down their enemies with volleys from their hot-shot lasguns.

Spoiler:


Finally, there’s an incredible new take on a classic kit – the Sentinel. These agile walker-vehicles are superb hunter-killers, and can be equipped with a variety of weaponry and wargear that enables them to deal with any foe – from blasting apart a tide of frenzied cultists to bringing down xenos monstrosities.

The new miniature can be assembled as an Armoured Sentinel or – if you prefer to feel the wind in your hair as you slay the enemies of the God-Emperor – a lightweight Scout Sentinel.

That’s just a taste of the reinforcements that are on the way for the Astra Militarum – we’ll bring you more in-depth intelligence reports as we get closer to their release. Sign up for our newsletter to stay updated with the latest from the Imperial Guard front lines.


Spoiler:



Soo...there's a heckin' sweet rotary grenade launcher apparently.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 16:41:48


Post by: caladancid


The bare minimum reveal haha. Thank goodness for “faithless traitors” who unlike the rest of GW don’t treat release schedules like state secrets.

Also, the helmeted version of Creed is so epically goofy.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 16:43:09


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Now who could this fine chap in the background be?

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Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 16:43:12


Post by: Bobthehero


The Kasrkin is just beautiful, can't wait to get a box of them


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 16:48:01


Post by: JWBS


Nice! I like that new Sentinel even more now.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 16:51:18


Post by: Pyroalchi


While the sculpt is no beauty, I appreciate that they did not make Creed a 20 something aged supermodel.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 16:51:27


Post by: lord_blackfang


So with the Sentinel now having symmetrical hardpoints, my money is on a variant with paired weapons, because GW cannot resist sticking more and more guns on everything.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 16:53:54


Post by: Sotahullu


I actually like this Creed (although helmet is goofy).


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 16:54:52


Post by: Segersgia


The editing in the video kind of looked unfinished. They really had to rush this, it seems.


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 16:55:45


Post by: nekooni


*edited, please ignore *


Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023 @ 2022/06/06 16:56:07


Post by: caladancid


 Pyroalchi wrote:
While the sculpt is no beauty, I appreciate that they did not make Creed a 20 something aged supermodel.


I would appreciate it if they didn’t go to far extreme of making her a fat old lady with a bicycle helmet.