Heh yes it was just the first image to cath my eye in my HH folder. The one next to it is a NL Leviathan, would probably have been a better choice (NL get so little love).
crumby_cataphract wrote: I can't lie, if they released a hybrid Tacticus-Iron mark of power armour at the same scale as the Primaris, I'd spend wa-ay too much money.
...actually, just give me mkII and III with the same size and proportions as the new beakies. I will sell every non-essential organ.
I've got a number of primaris marines that I tossed MK III heads on they look pretty good.
BrianDavion wrote: we'll be laughing about this by page 3 when someone posts a huge rant about primaris in the HH no doubt
Much of HH social media at the moment seems to be trolls writing either this ‘Are Primaris coming to HH?’ or ‘Let’s do 30k competitive tier lists’, there is an outburst in response and then the posts get deleted. I do feel for those communities at the moment tbh!
JWBS wrote: Heh yes it was just the first image to cath my eye in my HH folder. The one next to it is a NL Leviathan, would probably have been a better choice (NL get so little love).
Am I correct in assuming this means plastic Mechanicum in August?
Cause that would be awesome sauce.
That graphic is supremely unclear as to what plastics are coming, and when. Just releasing the standalone big-box kits in July-September would also fit the arrow, or it might mean many releases between now and November of all sorts. I'm not going to hold my breath over stuff that has not yet been previewed or leaked. So that's new proteus land raider (pics seen), and deimos vindi and predator (given the new deimos sprue seems laid out particular to fit those, and they've been rumoured for a while IIRC), plus the official preview of the leviathan and pics of alternative bits for the contemptor. More resin head kits for mark vi also seems likely.
Well, they rarely preview stuff much more than 3 months in the future, with the notable exceptions of Squats, Sisters of Battle and Warhammer The Old World.
But I remain hopeful for Deimos Predators. They’re kind of a staple tank to my mind, and if feels odd they’ve not yet shown them off,
Could the Thread creator please uodate the first Post and add those things we know about upcoming releases and the Roadmap instead of a Primaris Marine fanart?
Not impossible but who gets what pads for the second one, given that it’s the Emperor, not a primarch? Custodes/SoS would seem logical but the Liber Imperium isn’t ‘til October…
Pretty random order too if it does. Stuff like that should just come out in one go really. And if not, legion order is probably the most sensible way because at least you’d have some idea of the wait (ignoring the fists and sons as they tied into the box).
I'd assume the graphic means there will be new HH models released every month. But(and its a big but) there's nothing to say what faction they will be for, or even if they will be GW plastics or FW resin.
GoatboyBeta wrote: I'd assume the graphic means there will be new HH models released every month. But(and its a big but) there's nothing to say what faction they will be for, or even if they will be GW plastics or FW resin.
That seems the only way to read the big ole arrow down the side. Is the outline definitely a dread? No chance it's one of the Mechanicus bots right?
GoatboyBeta wrote: I'd assume the graphic means there will be new HH models released every month. But(and its a big but) there's nothing to say what faction they will be for, or even if they will be GW plastics or FW resin.
That seems the only way to read the big ole arrow down the side. Is the outline definitely a dread? No chance it's one of the Mechanicus bots right?
GoatboyBeta wrote: I'd assume the graphic means there will be new HH models released every month. But(and its a big but) there's nothing to say what faction they will be for, or even if they will be GW plastics or FW resin.
That seems the only way to read the big ole arrow down the side. Is the outline definitely a dread? No chance it's one of the Mechanicus bots right?
Nah that’s 100% a contemptor.
All I want is this guy in plastic and i will start a new army
Spoiler:
Oh and these guys, in hordes of 20+
Spoiler:
Mechanicum models are so much better than the Adeptus Mech line.
GoatboyBeta wrote: I'd assume the graphic means there will be new HH models released every month. But(and its a big but) there's nothing to say what faction they will be for, or even if they will be GW plastics or FW resin.
That seems the only way to read the big ole arrow down the side. Is the outline definitely a dread? No chance it's one of the Mechanicus bots right?
Nah that’s 100% a contemptor.
All I want is this guy in plastic and i will start a new army
Spoiler:
Oh and these guys, in hordes of 20+
Spoiler:
Mechanicum models are so much better than the Adeptus Mech line.
I love the Mechanicum models, and the Thanatar is my absolute favourite, so I’d be right there with you I think.
That graphic is supremely unclear as to what plastics are coming, and when. Just releasing the standalone big-box kits in July-September would also fit the arrow, or it might mean many releases between now and November of all sorts. I'm not going to hold my breath over stuff that has not yet been previewed or leaked. So that's new proteus land raider (pics seen), and deimos vindi and predator (given the new deimos sprue seems laid out particular to fit those, and they've been rumoured for a while IIRC), plus the official preview of the leviathan and pics of alternative bits for the contemptor. More resin head kits for mark vi also seems likely.
GoatboyBeta wrote: I'd assume the graphic means there will be new HH models released every month. But(and its a big but) there's nothing to say what faction they will be for, or even if they will be GW plastics or FW resin.
I doubt that they will rush out more new plastics immediately, as most people will have 50+ marines to work through soon.
My money says we'll get further main GW plastic kits alongside the book releases every 2-3 months, such as the already previewed Leviathan at the same time as Mechanicum book and the regular Land Raider in October. However every month will probably see a FW resin release with things like new legion shoulder pads, helmets, and maybe characters.
Corswain and Exodus don't have models yet, plus the special characters like Lucius either haven't been released yet or were only at the open day (Ka'bandha, Marduk).
Couple that with the Proteus, potential Predators, Leviathan, etc and they could easily fill out a few months even if they don't reveal anymore than what's been leaked.
I don't think the Mechanicum will get any plastics yet and certainly not Solar Auxilia, but the Arlatax survived the 'no models no rules' purge so maybe I'll be proven wrong.
If Assault Marines or at least Despoiler arms aren't in there somewhere I'd be shocked too.
In terms of upcoming plastic kits not released for preorder yet, what do we know?
separate Mk VI squad box
separate Contemptor (with additional weapons?)
Leviathan
separate Spartan
Proteus
Sicaran
Heavy flamer/melta/plasma box
Vulkite/lascannon/autocannon box
Cataphractii Rerelease
Tartaros Rerelease
is that everything confirmed?
then we have the heavily rumoured but not totally confirmed Deimos Predator, Getting Started with Horus Heresy magazine + model, and the two paint sets (Imp Fists and SoH each with mini sprue of marines)?
arkhanist wrote: I won't be getting mine till the Monday. Though that gives me an extra weekend to work on my first mark 3/4 squad, so that's probably for the best!
I sort of planned a vacation out of it. Took off this Friday - Monday the 27th. Have a big event planned saturday at the LGS and I'm hoping to get my backlog of AoS/40K and this box knocked out, or at least seriously dented.
Dr. Mills wrote: I'm hoping that specific Mk3/4 support weapons and heavy weapons are made, and hopefully in the retro 'on the shoulder' style.
I think it's more likely that if we're going to see a wider range of plastic options for other armour marks, it'll be something like rescaled MkV bodies (or even new MkIII / IV) that are compatible with the existing weapon upgrade kits.
There's no incentive for GW to double down on the older, smaller kits they already have stocks of resin weapon upgrades for.
There are definitely a lot of directions they could go with infantry next, and I'm curious to see which one they'll pick. You've got assault squads, despoilers, recon squads, breachers, and destroyers as generic infantry options alone. All of which currently cost about $12-14 each in resin. I don't know enough about the metagame to know if some of these are unpopular or nonviable, and which should be prioritised.
Agamemnon2 wrote: I don't know enough about the metagame to know if some of these are unpopular or nonviable, and which should be prioritised.
The way Rites of War work and the variety of Legion special rules means that there's always space for things to be viable. But for priority, I would say the Troop choices of Assault and Breacher units but even then Breachers could just be an upgrade pack alongside Destroyers.
Yea looks like I'll be waiting a few months to see their plastics direction before I decide whether to go all manlet marine or all chad marine. In either case it'll probably have to be half GW kits, half 3d prints, but I at least want to have the whole army in one damn scale.
I'm also curious to see if we'll get any more character models in plastic. Obviously the entries for both Praetors and Consuls are incredibly flexible so it might be tough for them to create kits useful for more than a small fraction of players. I'd love to see a character weapons sprue, at least.
At some point in the future maybe but I'd be surprised to see plastics of specific Consuls any time soon outside of the Chaplain that already exists. Named Characters are definitely a no-go outside of possible BL Celebration stuff but considering HH will be over by the next one I doubt there will be any more.
Possibly but TBF the Scouring isn't anything special and most of the "main" events have already been covered. The Heresy and War of the Beast had the essentials down (Dropsite and the Siege + big war against the Orks) but were mostly blank spaces so a story could be told. The Scouring doesn't really have that.
The Heresy series has been such a big part of GW books and there is the Dawn of Fire series that is supposed to be the same kind of scope but there's going to be a struggle to fill the void.
Gert wrote: Possibly but TBF the Scouring isn't anything special and most of the "main" events have already been covered. The Heresy and War of the Beast had the essentials down (Dropsite and the Siege + big war against the Orks) but were mostly blank spaces so a story could be told. The Scouring doesn't really have that.
The Heresy series has been such a big part of GW books and there is the Dawn of Fire series that is supposed to be the same kind of scope but there's going to be a struggle to fill the void.
The cow still has milk in it. People will happily fork over for more Primarch Bolter Porn. Horus Heresy is BL's most profitable series by a country mile and a direct continuation of that is no doubt going to pull in a decent profit.
Gert wrote: Possibly but TBF the Scouring isn't anything special and most of the "main" events have already been covered. The Heresy and War of the Beast had the essentials down (Dropsite and the Siege + big war against the Orks) but were mostly blank spaces so a story could be told. The Scouring doesn't really have that.
The Heresy series has been such a big part of GW books and there is the Dawn of Fire series that is supposed to be the same kind of scope but there's going to be a struggle to fill the void.
Disney is making a lot of money with in between Star Wars stuff you never knew you wanted. I don't think GW is going to just let the opportunity go to give that a try themselves.
It's not like there's nothing to tell. You can have drama with splitting up the legions, tragedy with the Primarchs slowly vanishing from the galactic stage and the rise of the religious nutjobs. You could even paint a somewhat hopeful initial picture and then have it culminate in the first Black Crusade that shatters any hope that the archenemy has actually been defeated.
Provided they haven't done that already, of course. I'm not exactly up to date.
Or if they want to focus on the present day setting with all its glorious Primaris stuff, they could have a cawltastic tie in series that describes how the Primaris project was set up and finally put on hold in excruciating detail.
The managed to blow up a couple of pages of Horus Heresy fluff into a novel series so large I have honestly lost count. I'm sure they can find something to follow it up with.
I'm not a fan of prequels but I would be all over a War of Unification/ Great Crusade book series.
I felt like the HH moved too fast into the whole Heresy thing (and then stalled for 40 books) so we never got this feeling that the Primes were buddies and their brotherhood sundered.
Disney is making a lot of money with in between Star Wars stuff you never knew you wanted. I don't think GW is going to just let the opportunity go to give that a try themselves.
It's not like there's nothing to tell. You can have drama with splitting up the legions, tragedy with the Primarchs slowly vanishing from the galactic stage and the rise of the religious nutjobs. You could even paint a somewhat hopeful initial picture and then have it culminate in the first Black Crusade that shatters any hope that the archenemy has actually been defeated.
Provided they haven't done that already, of course. I'm not exactly up to date.
Or if they want to focus on the present day setting with all its glorious Primaris stuff, they could have a cawltastic tie in series that describes how the Primaris project was set up and finally put on hold in excruciating detail.
The managed to blow up a couple of pages of Horus Heresy fluff into a novel series so large I have honestly lost count. I'm sure they can find something to follow it up with.
Obviously, GW hasn't done everything ever to do with the Scouring, the Second Founding, and the early post-Heresy years but a lot is already there. The Iron Cage, the shatterings of the Night Lords on Tsagualsa and Alpha Legion on Eskrador, and the stories of most of the Second Founding Chapters are already recorded.
As for Cawl and the Primaris, that's what the Cawl novel The Great Work is partly about and I'd be surprised if we didn't see any more of those.
BL was able to do the Heresy series because the Heresy was a very empty space with only a few major events in little detail. There was room to invent characters and stories while tying events into "modern" 40k and IMO that isn't something the Scouring has. At best BL could do maybe 4 or 5 books and even then they'd be worse than even the HH Salamanders novels, which is saying something.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I'm not a fan of prequels but I would be all over a War of Unification/ Great Crusade book series.
I felt like the HH moved too fast into the whole Heresy thing (and then stalled for 40 books) so we never got this feeling that the Primes were buddies and their brotherhood sundered.
If this means BL would need to stop being cowards and give us the canonical fates of the IInd and XIth legions, I'd be all for it :-P
Do they need to cover anything but the start and end of the Horus Heresy? Its not like 40k wasn't enjoyed for over two decades with a unchanging setting. Or for that matter, 40k is still complained about for daring to change things from the set unchanging setting.
People will complain if they do the Scouring....they will complain if they don't I suppose too.
At this point "people will complain" is both unavoidable and meaningless. 40k has gone through so many changes and people have been drawn in before and after innovations and retcons that there are so many groups of fans with different experiences that you're bound to find one that is not okay with the latest thing.
In case of the Scouring, Great Crusade or Unification Wars, at least GW has the Horus Heresy series to build on. People who like that may very well want more, and producing it along the same lines at least aims at the target audience of the big thing it's based on.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I'm not a fan of prequels but I would be all over a War of Unification/ Great Crusade book series.
I felt like the HH moved too fast into the whole Heresy thing (and then stalled for 40 books) so we never got this feeling that the Primes were buddies and their brotherhood sundered.
If this means BL would need to stop being cowards and give us the canonical fates of the IInd and XIth legions, I'd be all for it :-P
"You'd be surprised how many people can slip on the same banana peel and break their necks. I shouldn't have taken that extended lunch break." - Matthew, son of David, from his memoirs "Janitor of Destiny"
Agamemnon2 wrote: If this means BL would need to stop being cowards and give us the canonical fates of the IInd and XIth legions, I'd be all for it :-P
Agamemnon2 wrote: If this means BL would need to stop being cowards and give us the canonical fates of the IInd and XIth legions, I'd be all for it :-P
Huh, I/ve never heard that before now -- that actually would make a lot of sense if you buy into the Ultramarines legion growing suspiciously around the time of one of the lost legions' banishment.
Agamemnon2 wrote: If this means BL would need to stop being cowards and give us the canonical fates of the IInd and XIth legions, I'd be all for it :-P
Huh, I/ve never heard that before now -- that actually would make a lot of sense if you buy into the Ultramarines legion growing suspiciously around the time of one of the lost legions' banishment.
There’s a video floating around YouTube that pretty convincingly pulls together a bunch of stuff to indicate that at least one of the Lost Legions’ main complement of marines were mind wiped and reassigned rather than being annihilated for {whatever happened to their primarch} which may or may not have been “taken over by mind controlling alien parasites” during the Rangdan Xenocides.
If you twist it enough, that sort of fits what Priestly said.
Agamemnon2 wrote: If this means BL would need to stop being cowards and give us the canonical fates of the IInd and XIth legions, I'd be all for it :-P
Huh, I/ve never heard that before now -- that actually would make a lot of sense if you buy into the Ultramarines legion growing suspiciously around the time of one of the lost legions' banishment.
There’s a video floating around YouTube that pretty convincingly pulls together a bunch of stuff to indicate that at least one of the Lost Legions’ main complement of marines were mind wiped and reassigned rather than being annihilated for {whatever happened to their primarch} which may or may not have been “taken over by mind controlling alien parasites” during the Rangdan Xenocides.
If you twist it enough, that sort of fits what Priestly said.
Isn't the "Ultramarines (and IF?) absorbed the lost legions" a rumor by some of the Traitor Legions, but its biased because said legions had grudges against the Ultramarines?
GaroRobe wrote: Isn't the "Ultramarines (and IF?) absorbed the lost legions" a rumor by some of the Traitor Legions, but its biased because said legions had grudges against the Ultramarines?
IIRC it's a couple of Word Bearers gossiping around the time of Calth.
GaroRobe wrote: Isn't the "Ultramarines (and IF?) absorbed the lost legions" a rumor by some of the Traitor Legions, but its biased because said legions had grudges against the Ultramarines?
IIRC it's a couple of Word Bearers gossiping around the time of Calth.
And actually debunked by ADB on Bolter and Chainsword.
I was more naive back then. From my point of view, knowing it wasn't true - and, more importantly, knowing from the lore that it wasn't and couldn't possibly be true because we knew how the Ultramarines were that size already - coupled with the fact that it's a Word Bearer making a joke that even the protagonist of the novel basically ignores, it didn't occur to me that people would consider it "information".
GaroRobe wrote: Isn't the "Ultramarines (and IF?) absorbed the lost legions" a rumor by some of the Traitor Legions, but its biased because said legions had grudges against the Ultramarines?
IIRC it's a couple of Word Bearers gossiping around the time of Calth.
And actually debunked by ADB on Bolter and Chainsword.
I was more naive back then. From my point of view, knowing it wasn't true - and, more importantly, knowing from the lore that it wasn't and couldn't possibly be true because we knew how the Ultramarines were that size already - coupled with the fact that it's a Word Bearer making a joke that even the protagonist of the novel basically ignores, it didn't occur to me that people would consider it "information".
Translation: I didn't realize the fans could be so stupid they'd take an off the cuff comment from a guy who hates the ultramarines as gosipel fact when we hav mountains of data that flat out explains the truth otherwise
The PDFs are the army rules for Cults/Militia and Ruinstorm Daemons, as well as updated profiles for units found in the Exemplary Battles series, and new entries for said series.
GaroRobe wrote: Isn't the "Ultramarines (and IF?) absorbed the lost legions" a rumor by some of the Traitor Legions, but its biased because said legions had grudges against the Ultramarines?
IIRC it's a couple of Word Bearers gossiping around the time of Calth.
And actually debunked by ADB on Bolter and Chainsword.
I was more naive back then. From my point of view, knowing it wasn't true - and, more importantly, knowing from the lore that it wasn't and couldn't possibly be true because we knew how the Ultramarines were that size already - coupled with the fact that it's a Word Bearer making a joke that even the protagonist of the novel basically ignores, it didn't occur to me that people would consider it "information".
Translation: I didn't realize the fans could be so stupid they'd take an off the cuff comment from a guy who hates the ultramarines as gosipel fact when we hav mountains of data that flat out explains the truth otherwise
Except it has been expanded upon as a possibility soooooo
Gert wrote: The PDFs are the army rules for Cults/Militia and Ruinstorm Daemons, as well as updated profiles for units found in the Exemplary Battles series, and new entries for said series.
Also rules for OOP models that aren't in the books, IIRC.
GaroRobe wrote: Isn't the "Ultramarines (and IF?) absorbed the lost legions" a rumor by some of the Traitor Legions, but its biased because said legions had grudges against the Ultramarines?
IIRC it's a couple of Word Bearers gossiping around the time of Calth.
And actually debunked by ADB on Bolter and Chainsword.
I was more naive back then. From my point of view, knowing it wasn't true - and, more importantly, knowing from the lore that it wasn't and couldn't possibly be true because we knew how the Ultramarines were that size already - coupled with the fact that it's a Word Bearer making a joke that even the protagonist of the novel basically ignores, it didn't occur to me that people would consider it "information".
Translation: I didn't realize the fans could be so stupid they'd take an off the cuff comment from a guy who hates the ultramarines as gosipel fact when we hav mountains of data that flat out explains the truth otherwise
Considering BL then went on to make it outright canon by having Malcador state in plain language the redacted legions were given to new fathers in the chamber at the end of memory, maybe those fans weren't so stupid after all.
I have to say, I am heartily amused by this undercurrent of "Heresy is going to fail, here's the PRUFF!" I'm seeing on Youtube, certain discords, and various other sources. In particular, the 30+ minute, rambling video by someone calling themselves "War Hammer Man" on YT is being passed around like holy gospel, because I think in the end, a lot of people want it to be proven right (I'm not linking to the video because feth you that's why, if you care to find it, you can).
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for this to be the herald of the end for GW, nothing would please me more than seeing the entire "hobby" be thrown into chaos and upheaval with the old warhorse suddenly hitting a pothole and snapping a femur, but I just don't buy it. We've seen confident assertions of doom before, and nothing ever came of it.
Its not going to overtake 40k or AoS but the sheer amount of "HHDOA" or "HH will be dead within a month" stuff I've been seeing is just irritating more than anything else. If they genuinely don't think it's going anywhere can they naff off and leave the rest of us to be happy?
I've only seen 2 videos like that and one of them seems to be a woman's channel specifically for raggin on GW like some sort of bizarro-Earth version of anti-progressive "movie review" channels. But I tend to stick around positive creators like GMG (this might surprise many people here )
Apologies if this has been covered already, but does anyone know if GW have confirmed whether the FW Deimos doors are fully compatible with the new plastic rhino?
From just eyeballing the sprue shots, it looks like it should be fine, but knowing my luck if I order some, it will turn out they are slightly smaller diameter or something…
Gert wrote: Its not going to overtake 40k or AoS but the sheer amount of "HHDOA" or "HH will be dead within a month" stuff I've been seeing is just irritating more than anything else. If they genuinely don't think it's going anywhere can they naff off and leave the rest of us to be happy?
No No, you shall be miserable too! honestly I'm MORE excited by HH. then 7th edition ruleset sans psyker phase and formations is, frankly, a superior game to modern warhammer 40k. (IMHO modern 40k suffers from being so uncomplex in it's core rules that they need keep piling rules upon rules ontop) and I suspect a lot of people are.
I wonder if the loudest "it will fail" voices are just xenos players who don't want to play a marine on marine gameset
One of my locals sold out fully of its 160 box allocation, including all deimos, kratos, books, upgrade sets, etc. Based on that sales performance, I don't see "failure" happening.
On that note, I am now in possession of 2 of my 3 copies of the big box, both books, one of each upgrade set, 1 of 2 kratoses, and a deimos rhino.
Also, like Brian I am *hyped* for what I will call "late modern oldhammer" based on the 7th ed ruleset. I'm not quitting 9th, etc but Im a bit burned out by the bloat and excessive rules layering, etc. I just wish that HH had followed 8ths lead and dumped the templates.
Gert wrote: Its not going to overtake 40k or AoS but the sheer amount of "HHDOA" or "HH will be dead within a month" stuff I've been seeing is just irritating more than anything else. If they genuinely don't think it's going anywhere can they naff off and leave the rest of us to be happy?
I've been seeing the opposite. A lot of the same people (especially influencers) claiming for years if 30k didn't align with 40k's current rules it was going to die, now acting like they always loved 30k for it's entirety and that they always wanted a 7.5 ruleset.
I doubt it will overtake 40k but considering the position it 2 was in before and seeing all the buzz around it now I imagine this will still be an influx of new players to the overall.
Agamemnon2 wrote:I have to say, I am heartily amused by this undercurrent of "Heresy is going to fail, here's the PRUFF!" I'm seeing on Youtube, certain discords, and various other sources. In particular, the 30+ minute, rambling video by someone calling themselves "War Hammer Man" on YT is being passed around like holy gospel, because I think in the end, a lot of people want it to be proven right (I'm not linking to the video because feth you that's why, if you care to find it, you can).
Gert wrote:Its not going to overtake 40k or AoS but the sheer amount of "HHDOA" or "HH will be dead within a month" stuff I've been seeing is just irritating more than anything else.
These are the channels with random arrows pointing to circled things and big text with huge exclamations and clickbait titles and often with a surprised face
Which means they get zero clicks/views from me. I hate that gak
All the stuff is in my LGS as of yesterday. Let me see the sealed products. Holy hell the Liber books are massive and T H I C C. Now I understand why they are 70$ books. Can't wait until Saturday to get a look!
Since I had to order mine from GW, I look forward to seeing them some time around June 30th because God forbid they ship them to arrive by the release date.
Togusa wrote: All the stuff is in my LGS as of yesterday. Let me see the sealed products. Holy hell the Liber books are massive and T H I C C. Now I understand why they are 70$ books. Can't wait until Saturday to get a look!
I'm hoping for a smaller starter to come along with a paperback version of the rules, just so I dont have to haul around the big 5 pounder core book.
Hopefully it will sell enough to justify porting more things into plastic, even superheavies and non explicitly marine stuff, like Terrax drills, Custodes dreads and tanks, and the Thunderhawk.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I mean... they still make stuff for Aeronautica Imperialis, and I suspect that HH might sell at least a little more than that...
also a lot of stuff for HH is stuff that done right could easily be a bit of a "cross over" for example, legion specific head packs would likely be popular with both HH players AND 40k players.
I find it hilarious that people are calling that the game is going to die, when it was kept alive for years with almost zero support and was seemingly successful enough in that state to warrant GW investing further in it.
Really though, those people are just pandering drama for views. IE, they're garbage.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: I find it hilarious that people are calling that the game is going to die, when it was kept alive for years with almost zero support and was seemingly successful enough in that state to warrant GW investing further in it.
Really though, those people are just pandering drama for views. IE, they're garbage.
HH got more support for years than Bloodbowl did and that was thriving so hard GW brought it back. HH will be fine.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: I find it hilarious that people are calling that the game is going to die, when it was kept alive for years with almost zero support and was seemingly successful enough in that state to warrant GW investing further in it.
Really though, those people are just pandering drama for views. IE, they're garbage.
Well before it was resin kits which by their nature doesn't need to sell much(that's why fw was set up. Produce niche products) to make up expenses. Aka low risk.
With this much plastic gw is taking risk in sense if somehow market wasn't there they could lose a lot of money.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: I find it hilarious that people are calling that the game is going to die, when it was kept alive for years with almost zero support and was seemingly successful enough in that state to warrant GW investing further in it.
Really though, those people are just pandering drama for views. IE, they're garbage.
Well before it was resin kits which by their nature doesn't need to sell much(that's why fw was set up. Produce niche products) to make up expenses. Aka low risk.
With this much plastic gw is taking risk in sense if somehow market wasn't there they could lose a lot of money.
But no sign of that being case.
I don't even see it as that much of a risk - all the plastics so far have been things that exist in 40k as well. One package change later and voila "veteran Mk VI bolter squad" for 40k, no money lost.
Voss wrote: Why are people fussing over random people on youtube?
You could all be those people in roughly an hour.
because without anything better to talk about on the HH news front we might as well laugh at the "influencers"
There's always speculation on what Heresy Thursday will bring. I'm hoping for a Cataphractii weapon set reveal today, but the Land Raiders seem more likely.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: I find it hilarious that people are calling that the game is going to die, when it was kept alive for years with almost zero support and was seemingly successful enough in that state to warrant GW investing further in it.
Really though, those people are just pandering drama for views. IE, they're garbage.
Well before it was resin kits which by their nature doesn't need to sell much(that's why fw was set up. Produce niche products) to make up expenses. Aka low risk.
With this much plastic gw is taking risk in sense if somehow market wasn't there they could lose a lot of money.
But no sign of that being case.
I don't even see it as that much of a risk - all the plastics so far have been things that exist in 40k as well. One package change later and voila "veteran Mk VI bolter squad" for 40k, no money lost.
I think they did hedge their bets a bit with the mark IV and III kits, which is why they come with special/heavy options on the sprues - as you say, they were also a drop-in 40ktac squad alternative. With mark vi going pure bolter and the special sprues being whole-squad size, it's more obviously primarily for heresy, as you'd need up to 3 boxes just to make one tac squad with a lot of spares (though it will probably be popular for devastators in 40k) Which is all good, because it means they had enough data that they could really go for it in plastic and think it would sell to mainly heresy players, and expand it too. 40k has primaris now as the premier product, though firstborn are far from dead there of course.
Certainly pre-orders in the couple of FLGS I was watching seemed to sell through quickly of the big box, and everything else went fast too; not as fast as say, Indomitus (unsurpisingly!) but it spanked the AoS 3 box by a country mile. The deimos rhino went near instantly, so that probably was some 40k sales off the bat. Should hopefully be more than enough to justify being the '3rd big game' compared to a specialist game like AT or necromunda. No doubt the next waves are already designed (the lead times on this stuff can be years), but the cost of a plastic kit investment has clearly plummeted, given the amount of limited release characters, necromunda ghang upgrades etc that are definitely going to be niche sales, but still affordable to do instead of in failcast. So we should see more niche stuff for heresy in plastic too down the road, not just the low-hanging fruit like leviathan and sicaran and stop.
Highly anecdotal I know, of the three FLGS I buy from all have said the same thing - Heresy has already sold more actual stuff in terms of sales value than any of the “specialist” games have with them.
I think stuff like AT/Necromunda relies heavily on there being a local player base - Blood Bowl is the only thing to get any traction around here but I guess the problem there is once you have a team and the rules you aren’t buying much else unless you want multiple teams.
Potentially Heresy will be the third main game , I already think it plays smoother than 9th and that’s obvious just from demo games.
Considering the production resources they're throwing at it, and a rare seemingly genuine attempt to get people in with affordable pricing, it's a new Main Game for sure.
It's hardly a surprise that it's doing well, and I'm sure it has little to do with the fact it's Horus Heresy or because people love HH or anything like that.
Rather it has everything to do with being a ~1500pt army in a box for $300USD probably discounted to ~$250USD. Even in Australia it's not a bad deal by GW standards at $380AUD from discounters.
I think I made a mistake not selecting my local GW store as my pickup point for the HH box. It's going to take at least two weeks for the damn box to arrive at my local post office.
Oh well, at least I get to check out all the stuff on Saturday at my LGS. If I'm lucky, they might even have some Deimos Rhinos at the store..
AllSeeingSkink wrote: It's hardly a surprise that it's doing well, and I'm sure it has little to do with the fact it's Horus Heresy or because people love HH or anything like that.
Rather it has everything to do with being a ~1500pt army in a box for $300USD probably discounted to ~$250USD. Even in Australia it's not a bad deal by GW standards at $380AUD from discounters.
Maybe but the Horus heresy is definatly part of it too. just from casual non gamer fans I'd say the Horus Heresy may well, outside of eistablished players possiably have a bigger following these days then 40k. sure many of these people JUST read the books and won't be intreasted in table top but making the game the books are linked to more eisaly aceessable is a good idea
I think the anecdotal success of HH will light the way for the Xth edition starter set as well. We've already started wondering what it's going to be, but it's clearly Marines vs... MORE MARINES :-P
(actually, Primaris vs. Firstborn would be lovely)
Agamemnon2 wrote: I do wonder if there's going to be some commemoration of HH the book series ending at last.
You'd think when the final Siege of Terra book comes out next year that maybe they'd want to have some sort of set themed around playing out those battles. But then the two don't seem very connected, given they're relaunching the Horus Heresy game as the books that have been running for over a decade come to an end.
(Thinking about it, maybe that's why the last couple of books got pushed back)
AllSeeingSkink wrote: It's hardly a surprise that it's doing well, and I'm sure it has little to do with the fact it's Horus Heresy or because people love HH or anything like that.
Rather it has everything to do with being a ~1500pt army in a box for $300USD probably discounted to ~$250USD. Even in Australia it's not a bad deal by GW standards at $380AUD from discounters.
Maybe but the Horus heresy is definatly part of it too. just from casual non gamer fans I'd say the Horus Heresy may well, outside of eistablished players possiably have a bigger following these days then 40k. sure many of these people JUST read the books and won't be intreasted in table top but making the game the books are linked to more eisaly aceessable is a good idea
Perhaps. Another factor might be old 40k players who don't like more recent editions of 40k and so have dropped off, or people who like Marines but don't like Primaris.
I got pretty close to buying into HH with this box, but in the end decided against it, would still like the rulebook though.
I think a lot of it's the same thing that happened in the final year or so of 7th edition. People are getting burnt out on the mistakes GW are making with 40k but don't want to leave the GW bubble, conveniently as a major new boxset releases with Marines they can use in 40k if they choose, that will hold them over until the new edition.
I'm hedging my bet that one year from now this thread will have devolved into back and forth about how people are "quitting 30k because if it's not using the current 40k rules it's going to be a dead game" just like last time.
Kratos selling well isn't a surprise since it's known to have 40k rules and people like their Marine tanks. Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino. Contemptor has been strong in 40k for a few years now.
Arbitrator wrote: Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?
Deimos Pattern Rhino is £28. The Rhino/Razorback kit is £30, as is the Chaos Rhino (Rhino + spiky bits). The Adepta Sororitas Rhino is £35 (Rhino + SoB bits).
We were discussing it earlier in the previous thread.
It's because the Rhino in Australia was priced when GW's imaginary exchange rate wasn't too bad, and didn't get the same price rises that the Rhino saw in other countries.
Therefore the basic Rhino is weirdly cheap in Australia (it's $50USD in the US but only $55AUD or $38USD in Australia), making the Deimos look expensive by comparison ($78AUD which is $54USD, compared to buying it in US at $47USD).
So if you like the basic Rhino, buy a bunch of them before GW cranks up the price
AllSeeingSkink wrote: So if you like the basic Rhino, buy a bunch of them before GW cranks up the price
The real crime is the Sisters of Battle Rhino. Swaps the Marine accessory for the Sisters accessory sprue, loses the Razorback sprue, yet somehow costs 178% the cost of the Marine one.
Arbitrator wrote: Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?
To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.
And lacks razorback sprue so not comparable. Reqular rhino you get optlon to use as rhino or razorback as needed. For 40k well worth 2 pounds.
The Deimos does come with an optional missile rack, gunner, heavy bolter, heavy flamer and multi melta. EDIT: Didn't notice at first glance, but it also has options for a plasma gun, flamer, melta gun and vulite gun in addition to basically everything you normally get on the regular marine vehicle upgrade sprue (HK missile, dozer blade, grenade launcher).
The regular Rhino does have 4 sprues vs the Deimos' 3 sprues, but the Deimos sprues are more densely packed and I think 1 or 2 of the regular Rhino sprues are smaller ones.
Arbitrator wrote: Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?
To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.
And lacks razorback sprue so not comparable. Reqular rhino you get optlon to use as rhino or razorback as needed. For 40k well worth 2 pounds.
But has a sprue absolutely packed with combi weapons, several heavy weapons and a havoc launcher instead, so quite comparable to (and IMO better than) the nearly optionless razorback turret.
I'll take a rhino with a pintle heavy flamer, heavy bolter or multimelta over a razorback any day.
Arbitrator wrote: I think a lot of it's the same thing that happened in the final year or so of 7th edition. People are getting burnt out on the mistakes GW are making with 40k but don't want to leave the GW bubble, conveniently as a major new boxset releases with Marines they can use in 40k if they choose, that will hold them over until the new edition.
I'm hedging my bet that one year from now this thread will have devolved into back and forth about how people are "quitting 30k because if it's not using the current 40k rules it's going to be a dead game" just like last time.
Kratos selling well isn't a surprise since it's known to have 40k rules and people like their Marine tanks. Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino. Contemptor has been strong in 40k for a few years now.
It's very possible, but I think the lower bar to allow people to get into the game will result in more players in the end, even if the bubble is short lived.
Heck, I know I'm building to double dip so I'll always be able to get a game in with my army.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: So if you like the basic Rhino, buy a bunch of them before GW cranks up the price
The real crime is the Sisters of Battle Rhino. Swaps the Marine accessory for the Sisters accessory sprue, loses the Razorback sprue, yet somehow costs 178% the cost of the Marine one.
Without a doubt. People waited for Sisters to get updated kits for so long that GW just couldn't resist leveraging that demand, so it's perfectly understandable. GW gonna GW, after all.
Gert wrote: It's a bit funny how these are billed as MkVI upgrades, and not a single one looks like MkVI in the slightest..
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how they fit on Mk IV when they start shipping and people can do videos, because it is a very odd choice to sell non-beakie heads as Mark VI upgrades.
Arbitrator wrote: Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?
To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.
And lacks razorback sprue so not comparable. Reqular rhino you get optlon to use as rhino or razorback as needed. For 40k well worth 2 pounds.
The Deimos does come with an optional missile rack, gunner, heavy bolter, heavy flamer and multi melta. EDIT: Didn't notice at first glance, but it also has options for a plasma gun, flamer, melta gun and vulite gun in addition to basically everything you normally get on the regular marine vehicle upgrade sprue (HK missile, dozer blade, grenade launcher).
The regular Rhino does have 4 sprues vs the Deimos' 3 sprues, but the Deimos sprues are more densely packed and I think 1 or 2 of the regular Rhino sprues are smaller ones.
And plasmas etc can't be used in 40k. Deimos good for 30k but 40k option to use razorback or rhino as needed worth it.
Tannhauser42 wrote: I look at that helmetless head and see King Arthur from Excalibur.
Spoiler:
Hah! Funny, first thing I thought of when I saw that helmetless head was King Arthur and I don't think I saw that movie, or even imagined any specific king Arthur movie. I guess that's just how my brain imagines King Arthur but the resemblance to that photo is uncanny!
I didn't use the previous helmetless dork head from DA upgrade and I'm not going to use this one either, but so weird
And the SoH, EC, and NL MkIV kits all look like MkIV, same with the Fists MkIII, Ravens MkVI and WE MkII.
The majority of upgrade kits with a stated armour pattern look like that pattern. I'm not complaining that these don't look like MkVI, I just find it funny that they don't and yet are marketed as MkVI. Calling them (?) Legion upgrade kit would have made more sense and have the pads specifically labelled.
Worst part of being a Word Bearer player is knowing that we'll probably be one of the last to get an upgrade set. Iron Hands and White Scars too, probably
GaroRobe wrote: Worst part of being a Word Bearer player is knowing that we'll probably be one of the last to get an upgrade set. Iron Hands and White Scars too, probably
GaroRobe wrote: Worst part of being a Word Bearer player is knowing that we'll probably be one of the last to get an upgrade set. Iron Hands and White Scars too, probably
Iirc ultramarines were the last to get a contemptor while thousand sons, blood angels, and custodes both got 2 different ones.
At first i was disappointed in the Dark Angel helmets because they look a little too generic and very similar to the Imperial Fist helmets, but then I suppose that makes it easy to use both in the same army to differentiate between Terran veterans and Calibanite veterans.
GaroRobe wrote: Worst part of being a Word Bearer player is knowing that we'll probably be one of the last to get an upgrade set. Iron Hands and White Scars too, probably
Iirc ultramarines were the last to get a contemptor while thousand sons, blood angels, and custodes both got 2 different ones.
Fair. Though, the later a FW model is released, the better quality it is (usually). So that's a win for the UM
GaroRobe wrote: Worst part of being a Word Bearer player is knowing that we'll probably be one of the last to get an upgrade set. Iron Hands and White Scars too, probably
GaroRobe wrote: Worst part of being a Word Bearer player is knowing that we'll probably be one of the last to get an upgrade set. Iron Hands and White Scars too, probably
I do think that's a nice unhelmeted head from a sculpt perspective, I'm just not sure it fits as a Space Marine head, if that makes sense - where's the shouting face?
GaroRobe wrote: Worst part of being a Word Bearer player is knowing that we'll probably be one of the last to get an upgrade set. Iron Hands and White Scars too, probably
I gather you're assuming a "In Legion number release order" that works pretty well for the most part.
Group 1: Imp Fists and Sons of Horus
Group 2: Dark Angels & Emperor's Children
Group 3:Iron Warriors & White Scars
Group 4: Space Wolves & Night Lords
Group 5:Blood Angels & Iron Hands
Group 6: World Eaters & Ultramarines
Group 7: Deat h Guard & Thousand Sons
Group 8: Word Bearers and Salamanders
Group 9: Raven Guard and Alpha Legion.
Although if they wanna do a traitor/loyalist each time they'll have to tweek it around "grouping 5" or so
On the conversations of is Heresy going to be a success or not, I notice that the pre-order bonus tokens and cards are gone now.
From the T&C’s, they had 13,540 total available. Multiplied by £180 as a base and that’s a cool £2.4m GW are making from their web store alone. And that’s before you even consider any pre-orders from FLAGs, additional sales online since and any on the day sales in-store. Plus any additional sales of books, Marines & tanks.
This has certainly been a spectacular commercial success for GW at launch I would say, and I can’t see the momentum going in the short/mid term given the on-going support they’ve already announced.
GaroRobe wrote: Worst part of being a Word Bearer player is knowing that we'll probably be one of the last to get an upgrade set. Iron Hands and White Scars too, probably
I gather you're assuming a "In Legion number release order" that works pretty well for the most part.
Group 1: Imp Fists and Sons of Horus
Group 2: Dark Angels & Emperor's Children
Group 3:Iron Warriors & White Scars
Group 4: Space Wolves & Night Lords
Group 5:Blood Angels & Iron Hands
Group 6: World Eaters & Ultramarines
Group 7: Deat h Guard & Thousand Sons
Group 8: Word Bearers and Salamanders
Group 9: Raven Guard and Alpha Legion.
Although if they wanna do a traitor/loyalist each time they'll have to tweek it around "grouping 5" or so
I was going off popularity lol. For all we know, all the upgrade sets are ready. But they'll probably release/tease the most popular legions first. Didn't DA place number 1 on the Heresy poll? Plus given all their new FW goodies, they're probably very popular atm. Wouldn't be surprised to see Night Lords next week
I said it in the other thread but the legion upgrades should either just have been released together or should at least come in large chunks, but if not, legion order (ignoring the Fists and Sons) is the ‘best’ way really. At least then you have some idea of the wait.
GaroRobe wrote: Worst part of being a Word Bearer player is knowing that we'll probably be one of the last to get an upgrade set. Iron Hands and White Scars too, probably
I gather you're assuming a "In Legion number release order" that works pretty well for the most part.
Group 1: Imp Fists and Sons of Horus
Group 2: Dark Angels & Emperor's Children
Group 3:Iron Warriors & White Scars
Group 4: Space Wolves & Night Lords
Group 5:Blood Angels & Iron Hands
Group 6: World Eaters & Ultramarines
Group 7: Deat h Guard & Thousand Sons
Group 8: Word Bearers and Salamanders
Group 9: Raven Guard and Alpha Legion.
Although if they wanna do a traitor/loyalist each time they'll have to tweek it around "grouping 5" or so
I was going off popularity lol. For all we know, all the upgrade sets are ready. But they'll probably release/tease the most popular legions first. Didn't DA place number 1 on the Heresy poll? Plus given all their new FW goodies, they're probably very popular atm. Wouldn't be surprised to see Night Lords next week
If it’s popularity going by the poll, Blood Angels are the next (Fists are already out) or Alpha Legion are the most popular Traitor if they wanted to alternate.
Togusa wrote: I saw a pop up in one of my HH discords purporting to show diagrams for plastic Leviathan upgrades for chapters.
I can't speak for these guys, but I ordered from another company that I got a similar ad for, Tortuga, and the truescale Mk3 bodies are a delight.
So this isn't an official upgrade kit from GW then, this is third party stuff? The leaker on the discord was making it sound like this is an official product.
ImAGeek wrote: I said it in the other thread but the legion upgrades should either just have been released together or should at least come in large chunks, but if not, legion order (ignoring the Fists and Sons) is the ‘best’ way really. At least then you have some idea of the wait.
Few months at most going from current rate isn't it?
Togusa wrote: I saw a pop up in one of my HH discords purporting to show diagrams for plastic Leviathan upgrades for chapters.
I can't speak for these guys, but I ordered from another company that I got a similar ad for, Tortuga, and the truescale Mk3 bodies are a delight.
So this isn't an official upgrade kit from GW then, this is third party stuff? The leaker on the discord was making it sound like this is an official product.
Yup, Liber Daemonica are a 3rd party bits designer - a rather nice one, in fact, heavy on the gothic.
Togusa wrote: I saw a pop up in one of my HH discords purporting to show diagrams for plastic Leviathan upgrades for chapters.
I can't speak for these guys, but I ordered from another company that I got a similar ad for, Tortuga, and the truescale Mk3 bodies are a delight.
So this isn't an official upgrade kit from GW then, this is third party stuff? The leaker on the discord was making it sound like this is an official product.
Yup, Liber Daemonica are a 3rd party bits designer - a rather nice one, in fact, heavy on the gothic.
When I get my tax return I plan to peruse those guys for some bitz. I need to order even more bodies from Tortuga though!
lord_blackfang wrote: Incredible how a regular 3rd party creator can advertise their wares in a perfectly normal manner and some imbecile* interprets it as an official GW kit.
*to be clear, I mean Togusa's source, not them
Yeah, I took this back to the discord and called it out and he's still insisting this isn't 3rd party.
lord_blackfang wrote: Incredible how a regular 3rd party creator can advertise their wares in a perfectly normal manner and some imbecile* interprets it as an official GW kit.
*to be clear, I mean Togusa's source, not them
Yeah, I took this back to the discord and called it out and he's still insisting this isn't 3rd party.
Sounds like someone's in denial that they could even possibly be that dumb...
GaroRobe wrote: Worst part of being a Word Bearer player is knowing that we'll probably be one of the last to get an upgrade set. Iron Hands and White Scars too, probably
*Empathises in Delaque*
That's a good point. I hadn't thought of that. We are still waiting for new Delaque minis.
Gert wrote: And the SoH, EC, and NL MkIV kits all look like MkIV, same with the Fists MkIII, Ravens MkVI and WE MkII.
The majority of upgrade kits with a stated armour pattern look like that pattern. I'm not complaining that these don't look like MkVI, I just find it funny that they don't and yet are marketed as MkVI. Calling them (?) Legion upgrade kit would have made more sense and have the pads specifically labelled.
They're probably marketed as such because apparently the heads for the plastic MkVI are slightly smaller than previous ones.
Not even sure if people know yet...but as relatively new(returners) to 40k...is the HH game pretty similar rules or is it basically learning a new game?
Tempted due to the Rogue Trader look taking me back to 1987 when I first saw 40k on a table in GW Sheffield.
VAYASEN wrote: Not even sure if people know yet...but as relatively new(returners) to 40k...is the HH game pretty similar rules or is it basically learning a new game?
Depends on when you left. HH uses a modified version of 7th Ed, so different from the current 9th ed.
lord_blackfang wrote: Incredible how a regular 3rd party creator can advertise their wares in a perfectly normal manner and some imbecile* interprets it as an official GW kit.
*to be clear, I mean Togusa's source, not them
Yeah, I took this back to the discord and called it out and he's still insisting this isn't 3rd party.
It's a screenshot from the liber daemonica instagram account. I mean you can go and look at the post directly.
It has the name of the company on it, twice. And the description of the instagram account is
"Liber Daemonica Bitz
From concept art and 3D model to the custom miniatures on your table. #WRStudioModels
liberdaemonica.com"
And they're in Estonia! (they moved from Russia uh, recently)
Somone's more than a sandwich short of a picnic on your discord there.
lord_blackfang wrote: Incredible how a regular 3rd party creator can advertise their wares in a perfectly normal manner and some imbecile* interprets it as an official GW kit.
*to be clear, I mean Togusa's source, not them
Yeah, I took this back to the discord and called it out and he's still insisting this isn't 3rd party.
It's a screenshot from the liber daemonica instagram account. I mean you can go and look at the post directly.
It has the name of the company on it, twice. And the description of the instagram account is
"Liber Daemonica Bitz
From concept art and 3D model to the custom miniatures on your table. #WRStudioModels
liberdaemonica.com"
And they're in Estonia! (they moved from Russia uh, recently)
Somone's more than a sandwich short of a picnic on your discord there.
Oh wow, Liber Demonica moved? With the war I'd basically written off ever being able to order from them again.
Arbitrator wrote: Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?
To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.
And lacks razorback sprue so not comparable. Reqular rhino you get optlon to use as rhino or razorback as needed. For 40k well worth 2 pounds.
The Deimos does come with an optional missile rack, gunner, heavy bolter, heavy flamer and multi melta. EDIT: Didn't notice at first glance, but it also has options for a plasma gun, flamer, melta gun and vulite gun in addition to basically everything you normally get on the regular marine vehicle upgrade sprue (HK missile, dozer blade, grenade launcher).
The regular Rhino does have 4 sprues vs the Deimos' 3 sprues, but the Deimos sprues are more densely packed and I think 1 or 2 of the regular Rhino sprues are smaller ones.
And plasmas etc can't be used in 40k. Deimos good for 30k but 40k option to use razorback or rhino as needed worth it.
But you said "not comparable", I'd say they're quite comparable, just intended for different rules
I do wonder if GW will release rules for the Deimos upgrades in the future for 40k though. It seems GW are trying to bridge the gap and give people as much reason as possible to buy more Marines, letting them use Deimos upgrades in 40k would be a way to get people to buy more Rhinos.
lord_blackfang wrote: Incredible how a regular 3rd party creator can advertise their wares in a perfectly normal manner and some imbecile* interprets it as an official GW kit.
*to be clear, I mean Togusa's source, not them
Yeah, I took this back to the discord and called it out and he's still insisting this isn't 3rd party.
It's a screenshot from the liber daemonica instagram account. I mean you can go and look at the post directly.
It has the name of the company on it, twice. And the description of the instagram account is
"Liber Daemonica Bitz
From concept art and 3D model to the custom miniatures on your table. #WRStudioModels
liberdaemonica.com"
And they're in Estonia! (they moved from Russia uh, recently)
Somone's more than a sandwich short of a picnic on your discord there.
Oh wow, Liber Demonica moved? With the war I'd basically written off ever being able to order from them again.
Guess I'll just mosey on over to their website...
Just to shill them again.....check out Tortuga as well. They're based in Ukraine so they can definitely use the money as well
Arbitrator wrote: Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?
To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.
And lacks razorback sprue so not comparable. Reqular rhino you get optlon to use as rhino or razorback as needed. For 40k well worth 2 pounds.
The Deimos does come with an optional missile rack, gunner, heavy bolter, heavy flamer and multi melta. EDIT: Didn't notice at first glance, but it also has options for a plasma gun, flamer, melta gun and vulite gun in addition to basically everything you normally get on the regular marine vehicle upgrade sprue (HK missile, dozer blade, grenade launcher).
The regular Rhino does have 4 sprues vs the Deimos' 3 sprues, but the Deimos sprues are more densely packed and I think 1 or 2 of the regular Rhino sprues are smaller ones.
And plasmas etc can't be used in 40k. Deimos good for 30k but 40k option to use razorback or rhino as needed worth it.
But you said "not comparable", I'd say they're quite comparable, just intended for different rules
I do wonder if GW will release rules for the Deimos upgrades in the future for 40k though. It seems GW are trying to bridge the gap and give people as much reason as possible to buy more Marines, letting them use Deimos upgrades in 40k would be a way to get people to buy more Rhinos.
That seemed obvious to me, to be honest. We've already got relic terminators, the loyalist Kratos and Sicaran 40k rules in the pipe (or in an existing thing). Relic rhino seems obvious.
Arbitrator wrote: Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?
To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.
And lacks razorback sprue so not comparable. Reqular rhino you get optlon to use as rhino or razorback as needed. For 40k well worth 2 pounds.
The Deimos does come with an optional missile rack, gunner, heavy bolter, heavy flamer and multi melta. EDIT: Didn't notice at first glance, but it also has options for a plasma gun, flamer, melta gun and vulite gun in addition to basically everything you normally get on the regular marine vehicle upgrade sprue (HK missile, dozer blade, grenade launcher).
The regular Rhino does have 4 sprues vs the Deimos' 3 sprues, but the Deimos sprues are more densely packed and I think 1 or 2 of the regular Rhino sprues are smaller ones.
And plasmas etc can't be used in 40k. Deimos good for 30k but 40k option to use razorback or rhino as needed worth it.
But you said "not comparable", I'd say they're quite comparable, just intended for different rules
I do wonder if GW will release rules for the Deimos upgrades in the future for 40k though. It seems GW are trying to bridge the gap and give people as much reason as possible to buy more Marines, letting them use Deimos upgrades in 40k would be a way to get people to buy more Rhinos.
That seemed obvious to me, to be honest. We've already got relic terminators, the loyalist Kratos and Sicaran 40k rules in the pipe (or in an existing thing). Relic rhino seems obvious.
The only unique thing rules wise about the deimos pattern vehicles is the ability to take some combi and heavy weapons as pintle mounts. They could just add those to the rhino entry and call it a day on that one. Same with some of the upgrades from the standard Land Raider to the Proteus Land Raider Carrier. Pintle Multi Meltas already exist on the land Raider crusader sprue, and swapping the twin heavy bolters for lascannons like the HH kit could just steal the turret from the Razorback.
If we are lucky, when the next marine book comes out they will integrate the various plastic kits into the book rather than in the FW compendium, and move the spartan to HS instead of lord of war as it in the FW book.
Arbitrator wrote: Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?
To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.
And lacks razorback sprue so not comparable. Reqular rhino you get optlon to use as rhino or razorback as needed. For 40k well worth 2 pounds.
The Deimos does come with an optional missile rack, gunner, heavy bolter, heavy flamer and multi melta. EDIT: Didn't notice at first glance, but it also has options for a plasma gun, flamer, melta gun and vulite gun in addition to basically everything you normally get on the regular marine vehicle upgrade sprue (HK missile, dozer blade, grenade launcher).
The regular Rhino does have 4 sprues vs the Deimos' 3 sprues, but the Deimos sprues are more densely packed and I think 1 or 2 of the regular Rhino sprues are smaller ones.
And plasmas etc can't be used in 40k. Deimos good for 30k but 40k option to use razorback or rhino as needed worth it.
But you said "not comparable", I'd say they're quite comparable, just intended for different rules
I do wonder if GW will release rules for the Deimos upgrades in the future for 40k though. It seems GW are trying to bridge the gap and give people as much reason as possible to buy more Marines, letting them use Deimos upgrades in 40k would be a way to get people to buy more Rhinos.
That seemed obvious to me, to be honest. We've already got relic terminators, the loyalist Kratos and Sicaran 40k rules in the pipe (or in an existing thing). Relic rhino seems obvious.
The only unique thing rules wise about the deimos pattern vehicles is the ability to take some combi and heavy weapons as pintle mounts. They could just add those to the rhino entry and call it a day on that one. Same with some of the upgrades from the standard Land Raider to the Proteus Land Raider Carrier. Pintle Multi Meltas already exist on the land Raider crusader sprue, and swapping the twin heavy bolters for lascannons like the HH kit could just steal the turret from the Razorback.
If we are lucky, when the next marine book comes out they will integrate the various plastic kits into the book rather than in the FW compendium, and move the spartan to HS instead of lord of war as it in the FW book.
CSM Rhinos could already do combi weapons and Havok Launchers so for once this is where Chaos has a lead on the Imperium.
I don't know if the Deimos Rhino needs specific 40k rules in order to be attractive to 40k gamers. The few people still fielding Firstborn probably have their fill of classic Rhinos and will get them based on that alone, just like many of them got Mk3 and 4 marines without needing special rules.
GaroRobe wrote: Worst part of being a Word Bearer player is knowing that we'll probably be one of the last to get an upgrade set. Iron Hands and White Scars too, probably
*Empathises in Delaque*
That's a good point. I hadn't thought of that. We are still waiting for new Delaque minis.
I temper it with realising someone has to be last out the gate. And I’d argue Delaque got the better Expansion Gangers, as we got dudes, critters and the big floaty Murder Brain. Which I’m still yet to build….
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Agamemnon2 wrote: I don't know if the Deimos Rhino needs specific 40k rules in order to be attractive to 40k gamers. The few people still fielding Firstborn probably have their fill of classic Rhinos and will get them based on that alone, just like many of them got Mk3 and 4 marines without needing special rules.
I can see it being popular if it comes with the same weapon options. Cheap transport with a Multi-melta has its uses.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I temper it with realising someone has to be last out the gate. And I’d argue Delaque got the better Expansion Gangers, as we got dudes, critters and the big floaty Murder Brain. Which I’m still yet to build….
What are you talking about? We're still waiting for the Necromunda Delaque release. They've yet to have one.
HMM - looks like there may be issues with getting pre-orders forfilled
Just had my pre-order of a Kratos cancelled by element games as "Games Workshop have informed us that production and stock will take a little while to reach normal levels"
Not sure if thats a production issue or just a huge demand.
Either way I'm down a tank to build this weekend :-(
*Guess I'll have to work on 3 unbuilt Killteam boxes and Ash Wastes *
Its curious - the paintbrush I ordered has been dispatched as 1 of 2 packages and the text says orders will be split with stock to follow but the sales total indicates I've been given store credit to the value of the kratos.
Not sure to be honest - It could be just be a weird they have to process stuff to split shipments. Element have always been really good in the past so I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.
Just image how many Kratos they'd have sold if they could be arsed to do Chaos rules....
lord_blackfang wrote: Incredible how a regular 3rd party creator can advertise their wares in a perfectly normal manner and some imbecile* interprets it as an official GW kit.
*to be clear, I mean Togusa's source, not them
A lot of people who are in the 100% in the GW bubble (only play & buy in GW stores) don't realise 3rd parties are a thing. There were people at local GW who didn't know what FW was until recently (with the limited stuff on the webstore and the 30k stuff).
Kinetochore wrote: Just had my pre-order of a Kratos cancelled by element games as "Games Workshop have informed us that production and stock will take a little while to reach normal levels"
Odd - most other stores (such as Goblin Gaming) are clear that they're waiting for a second wave of stock in a couple of months, so you'll just have to wait if you've missed their pre-order allocation.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I temper it with realising someone has to be last out the gate. And I’d argue Delaque got the better Expansion Gangers, as we got dudes, critters and the big floaty Murder Brain. Which I’m still yet to build….
What are you talking about? We're still waiting for the Necromunda Delaque release. They've yet to have one.
Kinetochore wrote: HMM - looks like there may be issues with getting pre-orders forfilled
Just had my pre-order of a Kratos cancelled by element games as "Games Workshop have informed us that production and stock will take a little while to reach normal levels"
Not sure if thats a production issue or just a huge demand.
Either way I'm down a tank to build this weekend :-(
Am I misremembering or do Element have prior form for overselling their initial allocation then blaming everyone but themselves for the discrepancy?
Agamemnon2 wrote: I don't know if the Deimos Rhino needs specific 40k rules in order to be attractive to 40k gamers. The few people still fielding Firstborn probably have their fill of classic Rhinos and will get them based on that alone, just like many of them got Mk3 and 4 marines without needing special rules.
They don't, but it'd be nice to be able to use all the lovely guns.
Same for the various other variants (predators, etc) when those happen, because there is a lot of stuff on the sponson sprues.
Kinetochore wrote: HMM - looks like there may be issues with getting pre-orders forfilled
Just had my pre-order of a Kratos cancelled by element games as "Games Workshop have informed us that production and stock will take a little while to reach normal levels"
Not sure if thats a production issue or just a huge demand.
Either way I'm down a tank to build this weekend :-(
Am I misremembering or do Element have prior form for overselling their initial allocation then blaming everyone but themselves for the discrepancy?
Retailers were told there were limits on the stock on the first run, but that they would be restocked in due course. The sales reps (as yet) don't know when that restock will be. Element could have taken orders optimistically, hoping for a quick-ish restock by GW... but I think your suspicions are correct. They gamble: you lose.
Oh that's pretty cool. A deserter. He (and his legion) are possibly still out there somewhere then, instead of being culled for some reason. Makes sense, it is what most redacted legion homebrews end up being (they were off stage for a while, because of whatever, but now they are back and here is what they look like and their name is...etc).
Gert wrote: Pretty sure you guys are reading into a joke a bit too much.
Not at all. All the other jokes relate to their respective legion's lore. Seems odd that they'd leave one of the forgotten legions as "redacted" while adding such a specific remark for the other one, unless that remark was actually related to their background.
Flipside Games on ebay. $254. Placed my order in the 10th, and said it was scheduled to ship on the 18th. I was a bit shocked when I got home from work and checked the mail.
Flipside Games on ebay. $254. Placed my order in the 10th, and said it was scheduled to ship on the 18th. I was a bit shocked when I got home from work and checked the mail.
Flipside Games on ebay. $254. Placed my order in the 10th, and said it was scheduled to ship on the 18th. I was a bit shocked when I got home from work and checked the mail.
well like the song says it's 5 o clock somewhere
Seems like Warp trickery to me, but I ain't complaining.
Not at all. All the other jokes relate to their respective legion's lore. Seems odd that they'd leave one of the forgotten legions as "redacted" while adding such a specific remark for the other one, unless that remark was actually related to their background.
And the joke in this case is about disappearing, which is what was done to the 11th. Very much reading into it too much my dude.
Bring me my toys right now or I’ll thcweam and thcweam and thcweam until I’m sick.
It was terrible. I normally have Fridays off, but we have a lot of people on vacation, so I was covering a shift. The wife texted me at 10:30 this morning that it was delivered. I didn't get off until 6:30. I should have been home today to take delivery of my surprise. It was the longest work day ever.
Which is rubbish, as I need to crimp off a length of dirty spine, but daren’t on account of Sod’s Law.
This Liber Heriticus is a TOME. You could kill a man with it. I mean, not after the shrink wrap comes off (don’t want it stained) but until then? Absolutely a d6 improvised weapon.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: First delivery is here. The two current Carta Galactica, and Liber Hereticus.
Already wondering what a Magna Combi Weapon is!
It an expensive one.
They split them up so that the better ones (i.e. combi plasma) cost more. Beats having individual prices for every type and also beats having them all cost the same despite clearly having different levels of effectiveness.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: First delivery is here. The two current Carta Galactica, and Liber Hereticus.
Already wondering what a Magna Combi Weapon is!
It an expensive one.
They split them up so that the better ones (i.e. combi plasma) cost more. Beats having individual prices for every type and also beats having them all cost the same despite clearly having different levels of effectiveness.
Also, the expensive ones are one-use, cheaper ones use as many times as you like!
So, looks like the Spartan sprues are mainly labelled Land Raider with only a single sprue labelled Spartan. E, C, B and L sprues are all Land Raider with the Spartan being sprue C. Wonder if we’ll see the Typhon or Cerberus in plastic
So in other news, the return address on my Carta Galactica was to willow road in lenton, Nottingham as expected but the addressee was “ED” for some reason. I smell a conspiracy! Who is this Ed person and what are they doing with our returns?
zedmeister wrote: So, looks like the Spartan sprues are mainly labelled Land Raider with only a single sprue labelled Spartan. E, C, B and L sprues are all Land Raider with the Spartan being sprue C. Wonder if we’ll see the Typhon or Cerberus in plastic
Photos of a new Land Raider Proteus have already leaked.
zedmeister wrote: So, looks like the Spartan sprues are mainly labelled Land Raider with only a single sprue labelled Spartan. E, C, B and L sprues are all Land Raider with the Spartan being sprue C. Wonder if we’ll see the Typhon or Cerberus in plastic
Photos of a new Land Raider Proteus have already leaked.
Indeed, just interesting to note that they’re cleverly making the kits multi use. Also hoping to see the Achilles make a return
zedmeister wrote: So, looks like the Spartan sprues are mainly labelled Land Raider with only a single sprue labelled Spartan. E, C, B and L sprues are all Land Raider with the Spartan being sprue C. Wonder if we’ll see the Typhon or Cerberus in plastic
Photos of a new Land Raider Proteus have already leaked.
The Land Raider in the ultramarines model gallery is the new plastic kit if you have Liber Astartes
I don't think the more niche units like Typhon or Cerberus are likely to be released in the short term. The return on investment would probably be better with the Sicaran and Rhino chassis variants.
My stuff just arrived. Blimey, given it was less expensive I wasn't expecting the map to be as nice as the SoT ones, but this is the most cheaply made piece of crap I remember GW putting out in a long while.
It's the same level of quality as a "local attractions" fold out map you find in a B&B in the middle of nowhere.
I'm amazed even GW had the gall to charge more than a fiver for it.
Well, got my box. It's an absolute unit of a box (I think same thickness as the Shadow War: Armageddon box).
The only real nitpick is, once again, the mark VI sprue. One medium sized + one small sized sprue instead of three medium sized ones makes for a lot of compromises.
It's been more than a year since the last time my FLGS got their new releases on time for the release day so I won't expect my copy to arrive for another D6 weeks :(
Luckily I have some MK3 and MK4 marines to shave from my backlog while waiting for new stuff to hit the shelves.
Agamemnon2 wrote: I don't think the more niche units like Typhon or Cerberus are likely to be released in the short term. The return on investment would probably be better with the Sicaran and Rhino chassis variants.
One of the sprues marked Land Raider is clearly Spartan specific, as it has the center sides, extra tracks, and spacer plates to make the hull larger.
Typhon and cerberus would only need a single sprue swap from the Spartan, replacing the front ramp sprue with a gun mount which could possibly fit both gun options.
Another potential swap over would be a whirlwind scorpius turret that could bundle with a sicaran hull to make the arcus design.
Daft question...I am not seeing many Contemptors without the power fist...are there any rules reasons why taking 2 ranged weapons would be a disadvantage? I remember in past editions of 40k you could not always fire all ranged weapons on a model...is that the case in the Heresy ruleset? Thanks in advance, and apologies for my ineptitude.
MajorWesJanson wrote: One of the sprues marked Land Raider is clearly Spartan specific, as it has the center sides, extra tracks, and spacer plates to make the hull larger.
That kind of sounds like it could enable you to make a retro version of the current plastic Land Raider. No idea if that's actually possible. I'm going entirely off of your description here. I don't have the kit myself.
Gert wrote: You're just seeing people using what's in the kit. Double weapons are still perfectly valid, just usually not two different weapons.
Cheers, I am not really a player but do not want to build an illegal loadout. A Gravis bolter cannon and gravis melta sounds good to me, no matter how inefficient it may be in game.
I really like that the Spartan has SoH and Imperial Fist moulded iconography on the sprue, transfers are great but you cannot beat moulded detail IMO.
MajorWesJanson wrote: One of the sprues marked Land Raider is clearly Spartan specific, as it has the center sides, extra tracks, and spacer plates to make the hull larger.
That kind of sounds like it could enable you to make a retro version of the current plastic Land Raider. No idea if that's actually possible. I'm going entirely off of your description here. I don't have the kit myself.
Two sprues will be swapped out of the Spartan kit with alternate versions to make the Proteus explorator/carrier Land Raider.
Nicky J wrote: Apologies if this has been covered already, but does anyone know if GW have confirmed whether the FW Deimos doors are fully compatible with the new plastic rhino?
From just eyeballing the sprue shots, it looks like it should be fine, but knowing my luck if I order some, it will turn out they are slightly smaller diameter or something…
Just in case anyone else was interested, it looks like they are completely the same:
TalonZahn wrote: Best GW can do for me is send me a notice that 1 of my 2 orders shipped today. Oddly, the second of the 2....
Good old GW US.
if you ordered to store it's proably in at the local store. I know I got a "shipped" message last night but it's actually already at the store.
Sadly I live in The Sticks, so the closest store is at least 2 hours away.
The inability for GW to send stuff to receive on release date, hell even 1 day before, is astounding. It's not like there aren't thousands of copies already in the wild as of yesterday. Hell, I could buy the box off someone on Facebook and get it before I would from GW.....
Spartan is pretty fun to build. Not entirely convinced one should follow the instructions religiously. When you’re attaching the front and rear of the central bit, it’s a lot easier to glue the rear top to the front top, then glue in the base plate. From there, get it glued to one of the track assemblies fairly quickly, as that will ensure everything is lined up properly.
Other than that everything is perfectly good. Perhaps a smidge of a gap here and there, but I can’t rule out that’s as result of slight misalignments on my behalf. Certainly nothing the base cost won’t cover, or just a dod of green stuff.
caladancid wrote: Why in the world would you order from GW's website, which will guarantee all of the above shipping problems, and not a discounted online store?
Yeah, I can't see any reason to order these type of boxes from GW direct.
I ordered from my FLGS (Mythicos) and my HH stuff is already out for delivery.
caladancid wrote: Why in the world would you order from GW's website, which will guarantee all of the above shipping problems, and not a discounted online store?
My 2 go to online stores, Gamenerdz and MM, didn't have them up when GW did and when MM did have them up, they were gone instantly.
caladancid wrote: Why in the world would you order from GW's website, which will guarantee all of the above shipping problems, and not a discounted online store?
I ordered direct from GW because of the limited reaction tokens and stuff. Ordering direct was the only way to get those.
I know right, kinda stupid to miss out on -25% off retail just to get a bunch of tokens.. But I reckon these tokens will be very valuable when actually playing the game. I well enough financially that I can afford the higher price - the box was great value even at full retail.
I also ordered Kill Team: Octarius direct from GW, as well as ordered a spare metal gauge from ebay so as to have doubles in metal. I'm weird like that, I love metal accesories!
Whilst I’ve not built it yet, anyone else finding the Contemptor a bit, well, overly bitsy? As I’m what looks to be a lot of fiddliness where it’s perhaps unnecessary?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Whilst I’ve not built it yet, anyone else finding the Contemptor a bit, well, overly bitsy? As I’m what looks to be a lot of fiddliness where it’s perhaps unnecessary?
From just looking at the instruction sheet, I feel like most of the bity-ness is either to accomodate it being as poseable as possible, or future-proofing it for any possible future upgrade kits with new weapons or legion-specific armour decorations (hence why so many of the armour plates are separate).
Nicky J wrote: Apologies if this has been covered already, but does anyone know if GW have confirmed whether the FW Deimos doors are fully compatible with the new plastic rhino?
From just eyeballing the sprue shots, it looks like it should be fine, but knowing my luck if I order some, it will turn out they are slightly smaller diameter or something…
Just in case anyone else was interested, it looks like they are completely the same:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Whilst I’ve not built it yet, anyone else finding the Contemptor a bit, well, overly bitsy? As I’m what looks to be a lot of fiddliness where it’s perhaps unnecessary?
I started working on mine last night and you're not wrong. I'm not even done with assembly of the main body and it's already taken me longer than any resin Contemptor from washing to gap filling. But it also feels like it was set up this way for a reason. Very much looking forward to the upgrade kits and seeing how they interact with the main kit.
So now that folks are getting their boxes, can we all agree that the rulebook is very pretty and extremely user unfriendly? I would have loved this to be a two-tome set with a fluff volume and a pure rulesbook. Would also love a standalone special rules reference to supplement the reference cards.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Whilst I’ve not built it yet, anyone else finding the Contemptor a bit, well, overly bitsy? As I’m what looks to be a lot of fiddliness where it’s perhaps unnecessary?
Yes, absolutely. For this clean version, it seems like it really has a lot of split armor parts.
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Prometheum5 wrote: So now that folks are getting their boxes, can we all agree that the rulebook is very pretty and extremely user unfriendly? I would have loved this to be a two-tome set with a fluff volume and a pure rulesbook. Would also love a standalone special rules reference to supplement the reference cards.
...also yes, for the most part. It will be a bitch to use on the table.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Whilst I’ve not built it yet, anyone else finding the Contemptor a bit, well, overly bitsy? As I’m what looks to be a lot of fiddliness where it’s perhaps unnecessary?
I am actually looking forward to building the Contemptor the most precisely for this reason. It feels more like a proper sci-fi model kit than just a "gaming piece". It's going to be a great piece for trying some advanced modelling techniques with.
Prometheum5 wrote: So now that folks are getting their boxes, can we all agree that the rulebook is very pretty and extremely user unfriendly? I would have loved this to be a two-tome set with a fluff volume and a pure rulesbook. Would also love a standalone special rules reference to supplement the reference cards.
Yes, this has, sadly, nearly always been a problem with GW's rulebooks.
I haven't found it yet, but what is the breakdown of "BULKY" sizing.
My copy won't be here till next week and just trying to figure out if my rapiers can go in the spartan(not that I'd do this on TT) but I like knowing which transport can transport what in universe.
Racerguy180 wrote: I haven't found it yet, but what is the breakdown of "BULKY" sizing.
My copy won't be here till next week and just trying to figure out if my rapiers can go in the spartan(not that I'd do this on TT) but I like knowing which transport can transport what in universe.
Racerguy180 wrote: I haven't found it yet, but what is the breakdown of "BULKY" sizing.
My copy won't be here till next week and just trying to figure out if my rapiers can go in the spartan(not that I'd do this on TT) but I like knowing which transport can transport what in universe.
And for reference, the rapier, carrier only is bulky (4). Both it and the gunners are Infantry so can go in a transport, so 6 slots used in total per unit; so 4 batteries plus their crew in a spartan with 2 slots left over if I've done my sums right. Bet that'd surprise your opponent!
I got to my store 13 minutes after they opened and they had already sold 4 of the boxes by the time I was checked out.
For my part today I've just been tooling around with the axe praetor trying to make him into something that doesn't scream Sons of Horus quite so loudly, as he'll end up being an Ultramarine:
Spoiler:
I've also begun to magnetize special weapons and bolters on the tactical marines, which is not as difficult as I thought it would be. The wrists are big enough to receive two small magnets and then i just drill smaller holes into the hands and superglue in two lengths of paperclip, which is working fine so far.
Coolyo294 wrote: I got to my store 13 minutes after they opened and they had already sold 4 of the boxes by the time I was checked out.
For my part today I've just been tooling around with the axe praetor trying to make him into something that doesn't scream Sons of Horus quite so loudly, as he'll end up being an Ultramarine:
Spoiler:
I've also begun to magnetize special weapons and bolters on the tactical marines, which is not as difficult as I thought it would be. The wrists are big enough to receive two small magnets and then i just drill smaller holes into the hands and superglue in two lengths of paperclip, which is working fine so far.
Spoiler:
Are you going to take a little greenstuff and turn the cutout on the front of the praetor's collar into a big ultramarine symbol?
I've also begun to magnetize special weapons and bolters on the tactical marines, which is not as difficult as I thought it would be. The wrists are big enough to receive two small magnets and then i just drill smaller holes into the hands and superglue in two lengths of paperclip, which is working fine so far.
Huh, I hadn't thought of just putting steel in the hands - I've previously not found it strong enough. But now both wrists can take magnets easily. Thanks, idea nicked! (when my box eventually turns up, sigh)
So far I've assembled five of them and used the shoulder pads I printed while doing it (1-hour print for 60 pads, because feth the studded seam). Yes, they're not technically corvus shoulder pads, but I believe the regular corvus look a bit too bland when painting IWs, as there's not really any rim to paint a different metal tone.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Spartan is pretty fun to build. Not entirely convinced one should follow the instructions religiously. When you’re attaching the front and rear of the central bit, it’s a lot easier to glue the rear top to the front top, then glue in the base plate. From there, get it glued to one of the track assemblies fairly quickly, as that will ensure everything is lined up properly.
Is it easy enough to swap weapons around, or will you need magnets?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Whilst I’ve not built it yet, anyone else finding the Contemptor a bit, well, overly bitsy? As I’m what looks to be a lot of fiddliness where it’s perhaps unnecessary?
Can you put a gun in both arms, or must it be gun/fist?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Spartan is pretty fun to build. Not entirely convinced one should follow the instructions religiously. When you’re attaching the front and rear of the central bit, it’s a lot easier to glue the rear top to the front top, then glue in the base plate. From there, get it glued to one of the track assemblies fairly quickly, as that will ensure everything is lined up properly.
Is it easy enough to swap weapons around, or will you need magnets?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Whilst I’ve not built it yet, anyone else finding the Contemptor a bit, well, overly bitsy? As I’m what looks to be a lot of fiddliness where it’s perhaps unnecessary?
Can you put a gun in both arms, or must it be gun/fist?
The Contemptor weapons are fully interchangeable, all of them can go on either arm. Have put a Gravis Autocannon (right) and Gravis heavy bolter (left) on mine.
Data sheet wise (the one included in the Age of Darkness box) yes as well, the basic Gravis Heavy Bolter and Fist options can be swapped out for any of the options on the sprue.
For those of you with the box already, and who haven't thrown a hissy fit about the split shoulder pads, how are you finding them? Is the seam turning out to be an issue or not?
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: The Contemptor weapons are fully interchangeable, all of them can go on either arm. Have put a Gravis Autocannon (right) and Gravis heavy bolter (left) on mine.
Data sheet wise (the one included in the Age of Darkness box) yes as well, the basic Gravis Heavy Bolter and Fist options can be swapped out for any of the options on the sprue.
Ok, sweet, thanks. I didn't really want to make a HTH combat one.
Of course... now I want to do double twin-Autocannons. Is that possible?
Dysartes wrote: For those of you with the box already, and who haven't thrown a hissy fit about the split shoulder pads, how are you finding them? Is the seam turning out to be an issue or not?
It's more of an issue than I was hoping, but doesn't seem like anything some gap filler can't fix.
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: The Contemptor weapons are fully interchangeable, all of them can go on either arm. Have put a Gravis Autocannon (right) and Gravis heavy bolter (left) on mine.
Data sheet wise (the one included in the Age of Darkness box) yes as well, the basic Gravis Heavy Bolter and Fist options can be swapped out for any of the options on the sprue.
Ok, sweet, thanks. I didn't really want to make a HTH combat one.
Of course... now I want to do double twin-Autocannons. Is that possible?
Albertorius wrote: So far I've assembled five of them and used the shoulder pads I printed while doing it (1-hour print for 60 pads, because feth the studded seam). Yes, they're not technically corvus shoulder pads, but I believe the regular corvus look a bit too bland when painting IWs, as there's not really any rim to paint a different metal tone.
Dysartes wrote: For those of you with the box already, and who haven't thrown a hissy fit about the split shoulder pads, how are you finding them? Is the seam turning out to be an issue or not?
"Hissy fit". Heh. Nice.
I can assure you, it would have taken me more time to fix the issue with it than what I did.
Dysartes wrote: For those of you with the box already, and who haven't thrown a hissy fit about the split shoulder pads, how are you finding them? Is the seam turning out to be an issue or not?
Use a wicking poly cement.
Seriously, flat surface, two halves, dab of dichloromethane or whatever, job done. Flip it over and do the other side if you’re feeling paranoid.