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Its only one picture but its looking good

Title misleading, is only one Berzerker

I hope its not the only one comming out

So what else will be in the Codex...beside the new Berzerker?

Not bad, not bad at all.

He’s rather excellent, I think.

Hopefully only this pose will be available in a box of 5.

In homage to the original 'zerkers static pose.

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
So what else will be in the Codex...beside the new Berzerker?

7 more berzerkers hopefully

He looks like he's ready to dish out a good 'ol fashioned spank'in.

Looks really good, I'm liking the proportions compared to my current murder-hobbits.

nekooni wrote:

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
So what else will be in the Codex...beside the new Berzerker?

7 more berzerkers hopefully

9, hopefully. I don't want to see an 8 model unit sold at 10 model prices.

Voss wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
So what else will be in the Codex...beside the new Berzerker?

7 more berzerkers hopefully

9, hopefully. I don't want to see an 8 model unit sold at 10 model prices.

*cries in Plague Marine

I hope we see more Mk5 Parts...

Wasn't mk5 a mix of older and newer armer put together and not a real armour set??

I like that they still have the bunny ears and the old backpack.

 skeleton wrote:
Wasn't mk5 a mix of older and newer armer put together and not a real armour set??

Thats the "Non-production Variant".

There was also a "Production Variant" which is a summary of different Armour Desings called Mk5, the "common" Design is one of them.

I have to say, I like it quite a lot. A LOT actually.
They seem to have gone out of their way to make it look as simple and clean as possible. This aint yet another abomination full of more trim than actual armor and with that cringy biotmechanical cabling they have slapped on everything chaos related. Hell, it even has a pretty reasonable "spike ratio".

In some way, I think I would have liked if at least some of them still had thos black leather gloves.

That painting is pretty bad tho I'd say, it's very flat and really not flattering to the mini (they even forgot to paint the bottom of the boot brass).

Not exactly pushing the envelope with this, are they

Voss wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
So what else will be in the Codex...beside the new Berzerker?

7 more berzerkers hopefully

9, hopefully. I don't want to see an 8 model unit sold at 10 model prices.

why would you want 10 though? that's two more than you need per squad. Unless... ah, I see! You plan on doing 8 squads of 8, so you'll only need 7 boxes instead of 8 - smart!


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Billicus wrote:
Not exactly pushing the envelope with this, are they

Why would they have to "push the envelope" when redoing a unit? They're very obviously Berzerkers updated to the new CSM base model, and that's exactly what they should be.

nekooni wrote:

Voss wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
So what else will be in the Codex...beside the new Berzerker?

7 more berzerkers hopefully

9, hopefully. I don't want to see an 8 model unit sold at 10 model prices.

why would you want 10 though? that's two more than you need per squad. Unless... ah, I see! You plan on doing 8 squads of 8, so you'll only need 7 boxes instead of 8 - smart!

Or maybe just using the god number for units is not such a good idea.

BUT, if they want to do that, put 16 per box.

Heh. Wait 'til they re-do Noise Marines at 6 per box for the price of 10. 8 for the price of 10 will seem pretty quaint then.

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
So what else will be in the Codex...beside the new Berzerker?

Death Guard got Plague Marines, 2 flavors or terminators, plague zombies, a tank, a tankette, and a skimmer.plus a bunch of HQ and elite specialists

1000 Sons got less, just Runric Marines, terminators and beastmen IIRC.

I'd expect the Bezerkers will get something in the middle.

Are there Khorne specific cultists (outside Necromunda) that could pad things out?

I really want to like these guys as I’ve been waiting a loooong time for them. As others have mentioned, he just looks a bit too clean. Of course, a grittier paint job might help, but still…

You can’t overstate how much more savage the FW ‘teeth’ helms make them look. I want my ‘zerkers to look like slavering madmen who only live to slaughter….not chaos marines with fancier helmets.

I want this kind of thing (made using FW upgrade kit and various FW armour marks):

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
So what else will be in the Codex...beside the new Berzerker?

Death Guard got Plague Marines, 2 flavors or terminators, plague zombies, a tank, a tankette, and a skimmer.plus a bunch of HQ and elite specialists

1000 Sons got less, just Runric Marines, terminators and beastmen IIRC.

I'd expect the Bezerkers will get something in the middle.

Don't the Sons have three flavours of beastmen (basic plus fast attack archers and sorcs on discs), exalted sorcs, a fancy alt sorcerer that summons daemons and the mutalith?

I'm in two minds about them.

One side is a bit "meh" because, well, it's not that different to the CSM Legionaries. I feel if there was more indoctrination on MKII parts it would have been a lot more distinct.

The other side is Loving This for it's kit bashing potential. a few scrapes off the Khorne markings and a quick replacement of a Night Lords Helm and I have some CC Legionaries! A quick backpack change to a Jump Pack and we get some really nice looking Raptors! Got some spare CC bits from the Legionaries KT box and I'm sure some of these bodies are great for dynamic looking special weapons! I mean look at those chains!!

I guess I need to see the rest of them but right now my Kitbashing mind is screaming need for these!

 Tastyfish wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
So what else will be in the Codex...beside the new Berzerker?

Death Guard got Plague Marines, 2 flavors or terminators, plague zombies, a tank, a tankette, and a skimmer.plus a bunch of HQ and elite specialists

1000 Sons got less, just Runric Marines, terminators and beastmen IIRC.

I'd expect the Bezerkers will get something in the middle.

Don't the Sons have three flavours of beastmen (basic plus fast attack archers and sorcs on discs), exalted sorcs, a fancy alt sorcerer that summons daemons and the mutalith?

All the Beastmen and mutalith are just ports from AoS

And they only got the alt Sorcerer this year

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Tastyfish wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
So what else will be in the Codex...beside the new Berzerker?

Death Guard got Plague Marines, 2 flavors or terminators, plague zombies, a tank, a tankette, and a skimmer.plus a bunch of HQ and elite specialists

1000 Sons got less, just Runric Marines, terminators and beastmen IIRC.

I'd expect the Bezerkers will get something in the middle.

Don't the Sons have three flavours of beastmen (basic plus fast attack archers and sorcs on discs), exalted sorcs, a fancy alt sorcerer that summons daemons and the mutalith?

All the Beastmen and mutalith are just ports from AoS

And they only got the alt Sorcerer this year

Remember that the Mutalith Vortex Beast kit also builds the Slaughterbrute of Khorne.

And we pray to The Blood God every day that he will allow WE armies to take them...

If I had strong feelings about World Eaters as their own faction I'd probably be disappointed at how safe this design is. But as a Word Bearer who desperately needs some good running poses and some one-handed chainaxes to mix into my melee/raptor squads, this is perfect. Those Khorne marks don't look hard to get rid of at all. Heads and probably shoulderpads and maybe some of the backpacks will be useless to me, but if every sculpt is like this one, I'm gonna buy quite a few boxes.

SamusDrake wrote:
He looks like he's ready to dish out a good 'ol fashioned spank'in.

I'm pretty sure that's more of an Emperor's Children thing...

Putting on my Farseer hat

Damn near certain

New Bezerkers 8 to a box
Khorne Terminators
New Kharn
New Khorne HQ model
A dude with like a really, really big axe, like think of what you consider a really big axe, now double that, now triple that, that's how big this axe is going to be.

Possible

Some kind of lawnmower/close combat dread/daemon engine (Blood Slaughterer?)
Indiscriminate shooting tank (Cannon of Khorne?)
Juggernaut/Bloodcrusher cavalry ("Bloodcrusher" is still one of the dumbest names GW has come up with, how do you crush blood? )
Specialists - Evil Medic, Evil Chaplain, Evil non-Psyker
Assassin (Khorne as the god of murder)
Cultists/mutants/beastmen
Fast transport

Unlikely

Sorcerers
Diplomats
Unicorns
Bunnies
Price breaks

I doubt we'll get a new Kharn. We've already got him in plastic.

Love it. Was afraid they'd go in a much more detail-heavy direction, so this is a massive relief and I'm much more excited to see the rest of the range now

I prefer the more triangular mouth grill/vader mask look, it's more aggressive. But this looks fine, they didn't go overboard with it which is nice. And now that they are getting these out of the way it means redone noise marines are a bit closer.

nekooni wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Not exactly pushing the envelope with this, are they

Why would they have to "push the envelope" when redoing a unit? They're very obviously Berzerkers updated to the new CSM base model, and that's exactly what they should be.

To make them vaguely interesting or appealing to buy. These just look like the new chaos space marines painted red, they're very dull. The old ones had things like extra chains on their torsos and legs. Boring.

 Dysartes wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
He looks like he's ready to dish out a good 'ol fashioned spank'in.

I'm pretty sure that's more of an Emperor's Children thing...

Is that all you think about!

I'm talking about a damn good hiding! Minder? The Sweeney? No? Gordon Bennett!

H.B.M.C. wrote:I doubt we'll get a new Kharn. We've already got him in plastic.

Aye, I'm with H.B.M.C on this one. Plastic Kharn is somewhere between 2 and 4 years old at this point, and there's no need to redo him yet.

I do wonder why the Kid is listing the Master of Executions as his fifth entry in the "Damn near certain" column for new releases, when the dude has been around for a while...

I'd actually totally forgotten there was already a new Kharn.

Guess I had my Farseer hat on backwards.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Putting on my Farseer hat

Damn near certain

New Bezerkers 8 to a box
Khorne Terminators
New Kharn
New Khorne HQ model
A dude with like a really, really big axe, like think of what you consider a really big axe, now double that, now triple that, that's how big this axe is going to be.

Possible

Some kind of lawnmower/close combat dread/daemon engine (Blood Slaughterer?)
Indiscriminate shooting tank (Cannon of Khorne?)
Juggernaut/Bloodcrusher cavalry ("Bloodcrusher" is still one of the dumbest names GW has come up with, how do you crush blood? )
Specialists - Evil Medic, Evil Chaplain, Evil non-Psyker
Assassin (Khorne as the god of murder)
Cultists/mutants/beastmen
Fast transport

Unlikely

Sorcerers
Diplomats
Unicorns
Bunnies
Price breaks

We already know with 99% certainty that there's no Juggernaut unit from the confirmed leaker on Reddit.

He's mentioned:
• Some sort of Khornegor/ dog-headed mortal unit
• A named Brazen Beasts/Dark Mechanicum special character on a flying Juggernaut (the only Juggernaut in the dex)
• Some sort of unit of 8 marines possessed by Bloodletters

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Juggernaut/Bloodcrusher cavalry ("Bloodcrusher" is still one of the dumbest names GW has come up with, how do you crush blood? )

Repeatedly and with growing anger? It may not achieve anything but seems quite in the spirit of Khorne's single-mindedness.

Billicus wrote:

nekooni wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Not exactly pushing the envelope with this, are they

Why would they have to "push the envelope" when redoing a unit? They're very obviously Berzerkers updated to the new CSM base model, and that's exactly what they should be.

To make them vaguely interesting or appealing to buy. These just look like the new chaos space marines painted red, they're very dull. The old ones had things like extra chains on their torsos and legs. Boring.

It's only one model for now. We may yet see different varieties of torsos and legs, and since this model establishes that they are going with the chain aesthetic that may include chained torsos, legs and arms. It's a bit premature to write them off like that.

It is very clean though- angry red marine..Its a nice sculpt but its a shame they haven't brought in a sense of corruption. The early Chaos marines were very strange, their armour corrupted by chaos [Realm of Chaos era]. This guy looks like he just takes his helmet off after a hard day battling and has a nice cup of coffee before cleaning the gore off his armour.
They are probably keeping the more out there elements to elites or those possessed marines mentioned. The dog headed mortals sound great though.

 Dysartes wrote:
Plastic Kharn is somewhere between 2 and 4 years old at this point

Plastic Kharn was released in 2016. He's 6 now.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Plastic Kharn is somewhere between 2 and 4 years old at this point

Plastic Kharn was released in 2016. He's 6 now.

I see the COVID stopwatch strikes again xD

They could make a Kytan.

 Geifer wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Juggernaut/Bloodcrusher cavalry ("Bloodcrusher" is still one of the dumbest names GW has come up with, how do you crush blood? )

Repeatedly and with growing anger? It may not achieve anything but seems quite in the spirit of Khorne's single-mindedness.

Billicus wrote:

nekooni wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Not exactly pushing the envelope with this, are they

Why would they have to "push the envelope" when redoing a unit? They're very obviously Berzerkers updated to the new CSM base model, and that's exactly what they should be.

To make them vaguely interesting or appealing to buy. These just look like the new chaos space marines painted red, they're very dull. The old ones had things like extra chains on their torsos and legs. Boring.

It's only one model for now. We may yet see different varieties of torsos and legs, and since this model establishes that they are going with the chain aesthetic that may include chained torsos, legs and arms. It's a bit premature to write them off like that.

I'm not writing anything off, I'm saying this model doesn't really push the envelope and, by inference, arguing that new miniature releases pushing the envelope instead of just retreading is a good thing

Im pretty sure they will include the lord of skulls in the codex.

A stroke of genius would be to release a drop pod variant, but I know it sounds really far-fetched after all these years.

Voss wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
So what else will be in the Codex...beside the new Berzerker?

7 more berzerkers hopefully

9, hopefully. I don't want to see an 8 model unit sold at 10 model prices.

Box comes with 8. The remaining 2 will be sold for half price of the main box like they have done with the plague marines.

I'm really glad they didn't make him look stupidly busy, and instead went for a more clean, but still visibly distinct look.

Not enough chains?? hes got chains on its left arm, on its lion cloth an on its richt hip and on its chainaxe, how manny more chains do you need.

Funny how the Khorne Article in the WD put a heavy empathis on how World Eaters have issues maintaining their gear and tend to use older gear that is in bad maintenance. Meanwhile we see here a new sculpt that is so clean and spanking fresh. No battle damage or similar. I am also not quite a fan of the mix of a fresh looking armor and the oldschool box design plasma pistol. It is just a weird mix.

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Funny how the Khorne Article in the WD put a heavy empathis on how World Eaters have issues maintaining their gear and tend to use older gear that is in bad maintenance. Meanwhile we see here a new sculpt that is so clean and spanking fresh. No battle damage or similar. I am also not quite a fan of the mix of a fresh looking armor and the oldschool box design plasma pistol. It is just a weird mix.

I'd rather NOT have battle damages presculpted on my minies tbh, that's something you can easily do yourself but will have a hard time undoing.
Honestly I really think the problem here is how ... bland the painjob is.

That guy should have had a lot of weathering, scratching and battle damage painted on, but instead it's the most squeaky clean painjob ever and it do really drag down the look of the mini overall.

What I'd like to see how is all the helmet variants. I do like the one we see here, but I hope we'll get 10+ unique variants in the box, and hopefully some that are a bit more FW looking in the bunch.

I absolutely love it.

I like how it is not encrusted with detail. I admit that I get carried away when sculpting and converting and add lots of stuff, but the rather toned down armour makes him look more imposing than the regular CSM with all their trims and bits - and way, WAY better than the literally edgelord AOS/Endtimes Khorne models with ugly decorations on every surface.

Looks fantastic, not a departure from the original, more a better version of it.

Glad that GW showed restraint and didn't slap on everything but the kitchen sink as they seem to do nowadays. Here's hoping that we get a new Bezerker line that matches this aesthetic.

Really like the broken chain detail.

I wouldn’t mind if there was an option for a bare arm here and there for that retro feel but doubt there will be. As is I really like it. Simple and classic. Nothing to much going on.

A bare arm conversion is easy enough to pull off.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
A bare arm conversion is easy enough to pull off.

True, getting the scale right is trickier, some good suitable arms in the AOS line. You’ve got me thinking now.

We’ve seen 1 out of 8 (or 10). I wouldn’t be surprised if there is the odd bare arm. Khârn has one after all.

It looks a bit plain to me, but still very good. I was hoping for more corruption like what is seen in AoS Khorne models. Also, this is only one model in an entire kit.

One thing no one has considered is that the WE army might get an elite unit (like Chosen Berserker equivalents) whose models will be much more overboard with the details.

 ImAGeek wrote:
We’ve seen 1 out of 8 (or 10). I wouldn’t be surprised if there is the odd bare arm. Khârn has one after all.

You won't get 10 in the box. 8 is Khorne's number so that is what you will get. You will pay the same price as a 10 model set though.

I really liked the forgeworld berserker upgrade sets. I built a whole 4000 point army for a friend years ago. Tons of zerkers, kharbanda, rhino and land raider door and front plate upgrades. It was a great looking army. The only problem is he used the 'GW handflamer' airbrush along with Mechrite red to base coat the army. Lots of curse words later I had them cleaned off, reprimed and basecoated properly for him.

The only nicer chaos army he had was Deathguard. Those FW upgrade kits were bloody aces back then.

I kinda like the model but the paint job isn't helping. Some more weathering and maybe some blue and white peaking through the red would look great as the red isn't suppose to be paint but blood splattered on their armour after a millennium of fighting for the gods. At least its not covered in trim like the Trim Legions armour is.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
It looks a bit plain to me, but still very good. I was hoping for more corruption like what is seen in AoS Khorne models. Also, this is only one model in an entire kit.

While I like the corrupted biomechanical look of the early Chaos models and certainly like seeing some of the in the newer Chaos models again, I think what we're seeing here is the studio's take on Khornate corruption and not just the legion's personal style. Just like all the crap shared by Death Guard models is meant to represent Nurgle's exclusive hold on reshaping his minions without any random mutation slipping in that is not in Nurgle's style, World Eaters get that heavy metal look across their range to show the uncontested blessing of Khorne.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
One thing no one has considered is that the WE army might get an elite unit (like Chosen Berserker equivalents) whose models will be much more overboard with the details.

I know GW doesn't always give us what we want, but is there actually any desire for power armored elite Berzerkers? I'd think we'd rather have cool Terminators instead.

But yeah, we should expect more elite models to be more blinged up.

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

You won't get 10 in the box. 8 is Khorne's number so that is what you will get. You will pay the same price as a 10 model set though.

I cannot agree more. GW will give you 8 for the price of 10 and you will like it Fanboi!

Death Guard got 7 for the price of 10 and I cannot believe World Eaters will do better.

Just wait for Noise Marines where you'll get 6 for the price of 10.


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 Geifer wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
One thing no one has considered is that the WE army might get an elite unit (like Chosen Berserker equivalents) whose models will be much more overboard with the details.

I know GW doesn't always give us what we want, but is there actually any desire for power armored elite Berzerkers? I'd think we'd rather have cool Terminators instead.

But yeah, we should expect more elite models to be more blinged up.

Someone mentioned specialized Khorne possessed, basically mini Blood Thristers in power armor.

I could get behind that.

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
We’ve seen 1 out of 8 (or 10). I wouldn’t be surprised if there is the odd bare arm. Khârn has one after all.

You won't get 10 in the box. 8 is Khorne's number so that is what you will get. You will pay the same price as a 10 model set though.

I really liked the forgeworld berserker upgrade sets. I built a whole 4000 point army for a friend years ago. Tons of zerkers, kharbanda, rhino and land raider door and front plate upgrades. It was a great looking army. The only problem is he used the 'GW handflamer' airbrush along with Mechrite red to base coat the army. Lots of curse words later I had them cleaned off, reprimed and basecoated properly for him.

The only nicer chaos army he had was Deathguard. Those FW upgrade kits were bloody aces back then.

I kinda like the model but the paint job isn't helping. Some more weathering and maybe some blue and white peaking through the red would look great as the red isn't suppose to be paint but blood splattered on their armour after a millennium of fighting for the gods. At least its not covered in trim like the Trim Legions armour is.

That's an interpretation. Plenty of accounts show their armour painted red. Red with white and blue underneath is likely to look awful when attempted to paint. It's very difficult to pull off.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
One thing no one has considered is that the WE army might get an elite unit (like Chosen Berserker equivalents) whose models will be much more overboard with the details.

I know GW doesn't always give us what we want, but is there actually any desire for power armored elite Berzerkers? I'd think we'd rather have cool Terminators instead.

But yeah, we should expect more elite models to be more blinged up.

Someone mentioned specialized Khorne possessed, basically mini Blood Thristers in power armor.

I could get behind that.

That description doesn't sound thrilling to me, but if it's just a way of saying World Eater Possessed have dog faces and there's more to the models than cosplaying Bloodthirsters or Angron, they might look good after all.

Whatever happened to those WE terminators that were so psycho that they had to be locked into their TDA and have it remotely deactivated between battles?
They’d make a good “elite” terminator unit for a new codex.

These chaps?

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Butchers

Red Butchers are basically guaranteed to be a thing.

In fact, I'm half sure they were in the leaked photo.

Yeah, those kids. Uncontrollable lunatics even by the standards of Khârn, locked into suits and used as ornaments between battles. Dual-wielding brutal chainaxes as they charge… definitely sounds super-extra Khorney to me.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Red Butchers are basically guaranteed to be a thing.

In fact, I'm half sure they were in the leaked photo.

That is my suspicion as well.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Red Butchers are basically guaranteed to be a thing.

In fact, I'm half sure they were in the leaked photo.

Yup, WE will follow the exact same pattern than the 2 previous legion.
You'll get the base marine (berserker) the terminator (red butcher) and chaff (I smell khorngor), and if we are REALLY lucky they may throw a (monopose) deamon engine in there.

I would love to see some FW stuff in plastic, but GW tend to prefer making up inferior and more cartoony bootleg version of them instead (looking at you Foetid Bloat-drone).
My guess/hope would be a plastic Decimator, a Blood Slaughterer or a Greater Brass Scorpion, but I think what we'll get is more likely a "minor" blood slaughter or brass scorpion instead.

Hell, another smart move they could do is make a plastic upgrade prue for the Kytan and add it into the Lord of Skull box to make it a dual build and bump up the price.

Truthfully the big test of the WE book will be what units they lose.

If there are no Havocs, raptors (though if they get a khorne-specific replacement that fits the style better, then fine), bikes, etc... well, feth 'em.

I can stand losing some things, but too much and there's no point.

Voss wrote:
Truthfully the big test of the WE book will be what units they lose.

If there are no Havocs, raptors (though if they get a khorne-specific replacement that fits the style better, then fine), bikes, etc... well, feth 'em.

I can stand losing some things, but too much and there's no point.

You shouldn't stand for losing anything, period. The amount of complacency with what Death Guard lost compared to what they "gained" is astronomical. Y'all eat it up.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Voss wrote:
Truthfully the big test of the WE book will be what units they lose.

If there are no Havocs, raptors (though if they get a khorne-specific replacement that fits the style better, then fine), bikes, etc... well, feth 'em.

I can stand losing some things, but too much and there's no point.

You shouldn't stand for losing anything, period. The amount of complacency with what Death Guard lost compared to what they "gained" is astronomical. Y'all eat it up.

True, the death guard really got fethed up bit time.
Suddenly the whole legion just forgot how to use bikes and jetpack.

I'm fine with having their "base troop" be a bit more multipurpose (the Plague marine could in theory be fitted to be either an assault, tactical or havoc unit... but they got ruined by that trash strue with limited gear they got stuck on... still waiting for a proper REAL sprue btw, not that "made for starter box" thing), but GW need to realize that if they want to make a full legion out of what used to be cult marines, they have to make said cult marines do a bit more than just being a standard footy.
Having berserker on bikes would be awesome (and may verry well happen if GW isn't totally daft and make the new bike kit be compatible with the new berserker one), same for some jump pack variant.

 (HN) wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Voss wrote:
Truthfully the big test of the WE book will be what units they lose.

If there are no Havocs, raptors (though if they get a khorne-specific replacement that fits the style better, then fine), bikes, etc... well, feth 'em.

I can stand losing some things, but too much and there's no point.

You shouldn't stand for losing anything, period. The amount of complacency with what Death Guard lost compared to what they "gained" is astronomical. Y'all eat it up.

True, the death guard really got fethed up bit time.
Suddenly the whole legion just forgot how to use bikes and jetpack.

Oh trust me, people here defend it with "Mortarion doesn't like that style of fighting". My brother in christ, Mortarion hasn't done crap to lead the Death Guard in fething centuries so it doesnt matter what he likes.

Voss wrote:
Truthfully the big test of the WE book will be what units they lose.

If there are no Havocs, raptors (though if they get a khorne-specific replacement that fits the style better, then fine), bikes, etc... well, feth 'em.

I can stand losing some things, but too much and there's no point.

Yeah I'd be very disappointed if I lost Havocs, Raptors, Warp Talons. I'd be even more disappointed if I lost the defiler, I love having the old murder crab stomp along with the smaller blood slaughterer lobsters.

The main problem with giving jetpacks option to khorn berserkers is that ... it's just a flat out better option than not using it, and suddenly you end up with a shift on what a berserker "looks like" if you know what I mean.

I can see from here WE army ending up looking silly and lacking the base cult marine that was supposed to be its focus like it happen with the death guard, where the troop were mostly made of poxwalkers. It was so bad that they had to put a rule in place telling us "guys, guys, that's a plague marine army, you should at least take some of them" and even that wasn't really enough since you could just get you cota of marines via the terminators anyway.

I don't know about you, but I'm not sure I want my WE army to look like a bunch of guard/cultist/beastmen and a couple of jumpack/bike/terminator berserkers.

Also found that pic and I couldn't helped but feel like it was made for the "me and the boys" meme.


Me and the boys waiting for the Red Butcher mini reveal.

(HN) wrote: I don't know about you, but I'm not sure I want my WE army to look like a bunch of guard/cultist/beastmen and a couple of jumpack/bike/terminator berserkers.

Well, that's the thing. I want it to be open enough that you can do _your_ WE army and I can do _my_ WE army.

Not that all of us be told that we must field _their_ one specific vision of a WE army.

I know this is super wish-listy, but I would love a new Elite unit that's an update of the old Khorne Assault Marines but with jump packs:

It'd be nostalgic and it would break up the monotony of all the bunny ears (don't get me wrong; I love the Chaos bunny ears).

Voss wrote:

(HN) wrote: I don't know about you, but I'm not sure I want my WE army to look like a bunch of guard/cultist/beastmen and a couple of jumpack/bike/terminator berserkers.

Well, that's the thing. I want it to be open enough that you can do _your_ WE army and I can do _my_ WE army.

Not that all of us be told that we must field _their_ one specific vision of a WE army.

Until GW nerfs one version of the army into the ground so hound that you're gimping yourself by bringing it, and then attempts to fix it by forcing you to build it the same way always.

Stares at Death Guard

It's really not too hard to make an army that can support jump packs without them becoming the norm - price them appropriately points costs wise and make them Elites.

Voss wrote:

(HN) wrote: I don't know about you, but I'm not sure I want my WE army to look like a bunch of guard/cultist/beastmen and a couple of jumpack/bike/terminator berserkers.

Well, that's the thing. I want it to be open enough that you can do _your_ WE army and I can do _my_ WE army.

Not that all of us be told that we must field _their_ one specific vision of a WE army.

Sure, and that's not what I actually said, something you may have understood if you werent as always more focused on making that kind of pretty petty fab than actually reading what people said.

I'm the first to say that I want the monogod legions to be more than just "that cult marine and his terminator variant", I want bike, I want jet pack and I want all the vehicles under the sun.
My point was that since most of the cult units are usually specialised in something, like for the berserker being a mele blender, OBVIOUSLY slapping a jetpack on its back will make it automatically better (the same way nobody use assault marines without jetpack).

That means that in order to avoid ending up like the death guard where for the longest time (it got kinda better) the actual plague marines where just the suboptimal choice for you army that spawn off from the plague marine, GW need to find a way to make the base cult marine worth its place as core troop.

What I'm asking is LITERALLY for more than "one specific vision" of the army to work.
Next time, just try to actually read what people say before jumping on your little keyboard alright?

And to get back on topic, something we also need is actual marked chosens. Plague Guard should have had one, and WE sure as gak need one too.


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 The Phazer wrote:
It's really not too hard to make an army that can support jump packs without them becoming the norm - price them appropriately points costs wise and make them Elites.

The problem is that when your core unit is supposed to already bu specialized, adding ever more specialized variants that dot he job even better put them in direct competition with them.
And sure, some appropriate pointing can help, but we all know that the line between the right point and auto-include/worthlessness is very thin.

 (HN) wrote:

Voss wrote:

(HN) wrote: I don't know about you, but I'm not sure I want my WE army to look like a bunch of guard/cultist/beastmen and a couple of jumpack/bike/terminator berserkers.

Well, that's the thing. I want it to be open enough that you can do _your_ WE army and I can do _my_ WE army.

Not that all of us be told that we must field _their_ one specific vision of a WE army.

Sure, and that's not what I actually said, something you may have understood if you werent as always more focused on making that kind of pretty petty fab than actually reading what people said.

I'm the first to say that I want the monogod legions to be more than just "that cult marine and his terminator variant", I want bike, I want jet pack and I want all the vehicles under the sun.
My point was that since most of the cult units are usually specialised in something, like for the berserker being a mele blender, OBVIOUSLY slapping a jetpack on its back will make it automatically better (the same way nobody use assault marines without jetpack).

That means that in order to avoid ending up like the death guard where for the longest time (it got kinda better) the actual plague marines where just the suboptimal choice for you army that spawn off from the plague marine, GW need to find a way to make the base cult marine worth its place as core troop.

What I'm asking is LITERALLY for more than "one specific vision" of the army to work.
Next time, just try to actually read what people say before jumping on your little keyboard alright?

So, after that ironic little rant, I guess you agree with me that more player styles need to be supported rather than just GW's supreme vision of how the army has to be?

Voss wrote:

So, after that ironic little rant, I guess you agree with me that more player styles need to be supported rather than just GW's supreme vision of how the army has to be?

Damn, you really can't read what anyone write without projecting what YOU want to see in them.

GW is the one with the "vision" of what anything is despite what you seem to think.

The point isn't that they shouldn't decide what the army orientation should be, the point is that they have to do a good job at balancing the rules.
Having the Death Guard be an army or zombies with a couple of terminators in support was not a "vision", it was the result of some frankly trash rule writing (the same way the ravenguard isn't about lumbering and slow centurion and yet their rules made them use thos units the best).

I'm just pointing out that they have to avoid that same pretty obvious problem for the EW, because that kind of army is not what that legion is about (and before you even try, it's not a question of opinion or "vision" it's a simple fact, WE ain't about a bunch of cultists with a couple of redbutcher hidden in the back).

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Voss wrote:
Truthfully the big test of the WE book will be what units they lose.

If there are no Havocs, raptors (though if they get a khorne-specific replacement that fits the style better, then fine), bikes, etc... well, feth 'em.

I can stand losing some things, but too much and there's no point.

You shouldn't stand for losing anything, period. The amount of complacency with what Death Guard lost compared to what they "gained" is astronomical. Y'all eat it up.

What? What garbage is this last thing I want is a faction that is just another faction plus. Identity are built just as much by what is missing as what is their.

I'm not super familiar with World Eaters background, did they all turn into berserkers, or did some of them stay in more traditional marine roles?

In 40k most if not all are now berserkers, the ones who didn't turn fully are either dead, or have found a way to control the nails. Usually apothecaries or techmarines. Some seem to have more control than others though. Lheorvine of the black legion for example.

I don't actually know how much this has been clarified or contradicted in the lore (eagerly awaiting more info in the codex!), but logically they probably aren't full-on frothing-at-the-mouth berserk all the time. It's implicit they must be still capable of space travel, planning attacks, operating under a leader etc

Crispy78 wrote:
I don't actually know how much this has been clarified or contradicted in the lore (eagerly awaiting more info in the codex!), but logically they probably aren't full-on frothing-at-the-mouth berserk all the time. It's implicit they must be still capable of space travel, planning attacks, operating under a leader etc

For the longest time the lore was basically "yeah that legion was a bunch of ragging weirdos to the point that they literally crumbled as a coherent force and are now usually found as part of other warband that can get their gak together while leaving them rage in peace (or war rather)". The whole legion was basically gone, and that's why it's a bit strange to see them come back as, well a full legion again.
Some lore will have to be pretty heavily rewritten here, especially since I don't see GW just have them be anything but "a full legion" once again.

 (HN) wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
I don't actually know how much this has been clarified or contradicted in the lore (eagerly awaiting more info in the codex!), but logically they probably aren't full-on frothing-at-the-mouth berserk all the time. It's implicit they must be still capable of space travel, planning attacks, operating under a leader etc

For the longest time the lore was basically "yeah that legion was a bunch of ragging weirdos to the point that they literally crumbled as a coherent force and are now usually found as part of other warband that can get their gak together while leaving them rage in peace (or war rather)". The whole legion was basically gone, and that's why it's a bit strange to see them come back as, well a full legion again.
Some lore will have to be pretty heavily rewritten here, especially since I don't see GW just have them be anything but "a full legion" once again.

I expect we'll see a change from "the nails degrade your brain into an always-on frothing murder machine" into "The nails bite harder and harder until released". Essentially making it so WE warbands can "function" properly without combat, but their sanity and control will degrade until they can vent their pent up insanity and rage in combat.

Probably, or maybe they'll go the route of different degree of rage. At the top the literally insane Red Butchers that have to be restrain between battles, and in the middle just your average very angry berserker, but really, they are pretty swell guys when you get to know them.

Another version could be that the berserkers are indeed insane, but you have some kind of chaplain keeping them in check. A blood priest or khorn or something.

Boosykes wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Voss wrote:
Truthfully the big test of the WE book will be what units they lose.

If there are no Havocs, raptors (though if they get a khorne-specific replacement that fits the style better, then fine), bikes, etc... well, feth 'em.

I can stand losing some things, but too much and there's no point.

You shouldn't stand for losing anything, period. The amount of complacency with what Death Guard lost compared to what they "gained" is astronomical. Y'all eat it up.

What? What garbage is this last thing I want is a faction that is just another faction plus. Identity are built just as much by what is missing as what is their.

And here we have example 1 LOL

Butchers nails have always been one of the lamest bits of 30/40K fluff imo.

Okay Angry Ron, my wayward psychopathic son, so you want to inflict these "Nails" upon my Twelfth Legion, my meticulously gene-crafted super soldiers, my (if I do say so myself) pristine works of incomparable genius. You say that because a coterie of sadistic slavers on a backwater planet that no one cares about did it to you, you need to do it to 100,000 of my designated, indispensable and irreplaceable shock troops, an apparently vital part of my master plan for the future of the universe, a plan that has been millennia in the making. Alright, okay, very good Ron, that seems acceptable to me. You should also piss into their amniotic tanks while you're at it, the guys on Nuceria would approve of that too I think, let's do it!

Andykp wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
A bare arm conversion is easy enough to pull off.

True, getting the scale right is trickier, some good suitable arms in the AOS line. You’ve got me thinking now.

Goliaths from Necromunda might be easier, especially seeing they already have chainaxes...

I think he means Corpse Grinders, as the Goliath ones are more spiky than "chain" in the traditional sense.

But having said that, the Goliath ones are big, so really any of these would do. Even the axe here could work.

WRT World Eater tactics and logistics...

I've not read all of the HH books, but the ones I've seen imply that they leave the boring stuff to their mortal auxiliaries (like Admiral Wasshername with all the fan art) and just run around frothing at the mouth until the mortals say it's go time.

And the mortals had damn well better make sure they're delivering the boys to battle right promptly or it will be go time for them.

Which I think more or less works. It's like tending a pack of rabid pit bulls, except the pit bulls can talk and if you're not giving them enough fighting they'll come for you.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
And the mortals had damn well better make sure they're delivering the boys to battle right promptly or it will be go time for them.

Ok, sure, but what happens when they can't pull a miracle and are massacred? Wouldn't that pretty much end the warband capability to do anything on the spot?

But then again, that old WE mini-story in CSM codex had Khornate marine decapitate himself once running out of targets to kill in battle since he didn't meet the skull quota or something and wanted to please Khorne with more blood so really, how WE warbands continue to function for more than a few months despite all the self-sabotage and own goals is a mystery anyway...

One must assume the WE has loads of triggers to put them in a frenzy, and otherwise act relatively marine-like. The thing with berserkers in general is that they burn out their enegy rather quick, so it would be far-fetched to think they spend their days in constant berserk mode.
I find it hard to belive any astartes would leave all ther tactics and battleplans to mortals.

All in all, a really boring faction to try to build characters around. Its like orks minus the fun, just looking for the biggest fights they can pick.

 Irbis wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
And the mortals had damn well better make sure they're delivering the boys to battle right promptly or it will be go time for them.

Ok, sure, but what happens when they can't pull a miracle and are massacred? Wouldn't that pretty much end the warband capability to do anything on the spot?

Um, uh, will of the blood god? Or maybe the Eaters are just smart enough to make an example but leave the infrastructure intact?

Ship captain - M'lord my apologies but the warp engines are not responding we will need several hours before we can launch the attack on the defenseless world Nerfion 8.
Bezerker - (decapitates captain, turns to first officer) Apologies do not deliver blood and skulls. Do better new captain.
New Captain - we will be underway within the hour M'lord.

I like the idea they might be manic depressive, a few hours of bloodlust followed by months of melancholy, and maybe some self-cutting too. The leaders end up the ones who can hold themselves together to get everyone to the next fight (with mortals doing all the boring mortal stuff like cleaning bone fragments out of the chain axes).

Update from a certain gentleman over on Reddit:

-Hellbrutes, forgefiends, LRs, preds, heldrakes are all in

-No havocs, no anything with jump packs

-"More of a TS than DG style release," probably meaning WE are getting nothing much else outside of what's already been leaked

-"More of a TS than DG style release,"..

All right, Khorngors confirmed then

 Dreamchild wrote:
Update from a certain gentleman over on Reddit:

-Hellbrutes, forgefiends, LRs, preds, heldrakes are all in

-No havocs, no anything with jump packs

-"More of a TS than DG style release," probably meaning WE are getting nothing much else outside of what's already been leaked

So;

Angron
Zerkers
Red Butchers
Khorngors
Probably one more unit.

And that's it. Given the initial Thousand Sons release was just 5 units, not including ports from AoS.

There's still a named Lord-Discordant on a Juggernaut Helstalker at least.

I woulda really liked a Pestigor kit for the DG release.. sigh

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Dreamchild wrote:
Update from a certain gentleman over on Reddit:

-Hellbrutes, forgefiends, LRs, preds, heldrakes are all in

-No havocs, no anything with jump packs

-"More of a TS than DG style release," probably meaning WE are getting nothing much else outside of what's already been leaked

So;

Angron
Zerkers
Red Butchers
Khorngors
Probably one more unit.

And that's it. Given the initial Thousand Sons release was just 5 units, not including ports from AoS.

Yeah, and the weird possessed dudesmen described as "cramming 8 bloodletters in a single berserker" or some such

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

-"More of a TS than DG style release,"..

All right, Khorngors confirmed then

In the leaked Angron pic you could see the Khorngors (or beastmen at least) in the top right, hard to make out many details but you can see a few horns.
It looks like there might be mixed units like the new possessed mutants, as there definitely seems to be a couple of ogre sized models alongside the beastmen

 Dreamchild wrote:
Update from a certain gentleman over on Reddit:

-Hellbrutes, forgefiends, LRs, preds, heldrakes are all in

-No havocs, no anything with jump packs

-"More of a TS than DG style release," probably meaning WE are getting nothing much else outside of what's already been leaked

Sigh. Looks like I'll need to buy the CSM codex then, and run 2 detachments...

Slaughterbrute... ?

No Jump Packs makes sense. It's harder for a frothing maniac to operate a Jump Pack that'd allow him to hit stuff than use the controls of a tank and operating several different weapons.

feth these rules writers, bunch of fething clowns.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Slaughterbrute... ?

That too probably, it's the same kit


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 Dreamchild wrote:
Update from a certain gentleman over on Reddit:

-Hellbrutes, forgefiends, LRs, preds, heldrakes are all in

-No havocs, no anything with jump packs

-"More of a TS than DG style release," probably meaning WE are getting nothing much else outside of what's already been leaked

Edit: Also defilers and Lord of Skulls

JWBS wrote:
Butchers nails have always been one of the lamest bits of 30/40K fluff imo.

Okay Angry Ron, my wayward psychopathic son, so you want to inflict these "Nails" upon my Twelfth Legion, my meticulously gene-crafted super soldiers, my (if I do say so myself) pristine works of incomparable genius. You say that because a coterie of sadistic slavers on a backwater planet that no one cares about did it to you, you need to do it to 100,000 of my designated, indispensable and irreplaceable shock troops, an apparently vital part of my master plan for the future of the universe, a plan that has been millennia in the making. Alright, okay, very good Ron, that seems acceptable to me. You should also piss into their amniotic tanks while you're at it, the guys on Nuceria would approve of that too I think, let's do it!

The Legiones Astartes were created by Amar Astarte, hence the name. Angron initially rejected the WE. They started implanting the nails themselves to get closer to him.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
No Jump Packs makes sense. It's harder for a frothing maniac to operate a Jump Pack that'd allow him to hit stuff than use the controls of a tank and operating several different weapons.

feth these rules writers, bunch of fething clowns.

I would advise against using logic in the 40k universe. It ruins everything
No bikes or jumppack but CSM Tanks would be consistent with TS and DG, however.
And i honestly like the fact they try to make the "single release" Chaos Legions actually distinct. Which can not be said about the loyalists...

A bit of a missed chance to return the Berserker Bikes of 2Ed but then there is always a release at a later time.

So yeah, i dig it.

CoALabaer wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
No Jump Packs makes sense. It's harder for a frothing maniac to operate a Jump Pack that'd allow him to hit stuff than use the controls of a tank and operating several different weapons.

feth these rules writers, bunch of fething clowns.

I would advise against using logic in the 40k universe. It ruins everything
No bikes or jumppack but CSM Tanks would be consistent with TS and DG, however.
And i honestly like the fact they try to make the "single release" Chaos Legions actually distinct. Which can not be said about the loyalists...

A bit of a missed chance to return the Berserker Bikes of 2Ed but then there is always a release at a later time.

So yeah, i dig it.

It doesn't matter whether you say not to use logic, there still needs to be SOME consistency.

Given bikes are rumoured to be on the way, I was almost expecting a world eater dual build (and that is what they were delayed for).

JSG wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Butchers nails have always been one of the lamest bits of 30/40K fluff imo.

Okay Angry Ron, my wayward psychopathic son, so you want to inflict these "Nails" upon my Twelfth Legion, my meticulously gene-crafted super soldiers, my (if I do say so myself) pristine works of incomparable genius. You say that because a coterie of sadistic slavers on a backwater planet that no one cares about did it to you, you need to do it to 100,000 of my designated, indispensable and irreplaceable shock troops, an apparently vital part of my master plan for the future of the universe, a plan that has been millennia in the making. Alright, okay, very good Ron, that seems acceptable to me. You should also piss into their amniotic tanks while you're at it, the guys on Nuceria would approve of that too I think, let's do it!

The Legiones Astartes were created by Amar Astarte, hence the name. Angron initially rejected the WE. They started implanting the nails themselves to get closer to him.

Even in that shoddy retcon (a once rare but now increasingly common L for Wraight) it's clearly an Emperor lead project, iirc. Lexicanum and 40Kfandom state the nail procedure as being initiated by Angron.

JWBS wrote:

JSG wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Butchers nails have always been one of the lamest bits of 30/40K fluff imo.

Okay Angry Ron, my wayward psychopathic son, so you want to inflict these "Nails" upon my Twelfth Legion, my meticulously gene-crafted super soldiers, my (if I do say so myself) pristine works of incomparable genius. You say that because a coterie of sadistic slavers on a backwater planet that no one cares about did it to you, you need to do it to 100,000 of my designated, indispensable and irreplaceable shock troops, an apparently vital part of my master plan for the future of the universe, a plan that has been millennia in the making. Alright, okay, very good Ron, that seems acceptable to me. You should also piss into their amniotic tanks while you're at it, the guys on Nuceria would approve of that too I think, let's do it!

The Legiones Astartes were created by Amar Astarte, hence the name. Angron initially rejected the WE. They started implanting the nails themselves to get closer to him.

Even in that shoddy retcon (a once rare but now increasingly common L for Wraight) it's clearly an Emperor lead project, iirc. Lexicanum and 40Kfandom state the nail procedure as being initiated by Angron.

None of that matters.

JSG wrote:

JWBS wrote:

JSG wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Butchers nails have always been one of the lamest bits of 30/40K fluff imo.

Okay Angry Ron, my wayward psychopathic son, so you want to inflict these "Nails" upon my Twelfth Legion, my meticulously gene-crafted super soldiers, my (if I do say so myself) pristine works of incomparable genius. You say that because a coterie of sadistic slavers on a backwater planet that no one cares about did it to you, you need to do it to 100,000 of my designated, indispensable and irreplaceable shock troops, an apparently vital part of my master plan for the future of the universe, a plan that has been millennia in the making. Alright, okay, very good Ron, that seems acceptable to me. You should also piss into their amniotic tanks while you're at it, the guys on Nuceria would approve of that too I think, let's do it!

The Legiones Astartes were created by Amar Astarte, hence the name. Angron initially rejected the WE. They started implanting the nails themselves to get closer to him.

Even in that shoddy retcon (a once rare but now increasingly common L for Wraight) it's clearly an Emperor lead project, iirc. Lexicanum and 40Kfandom state the nail procedure as being initiated by Angron.

None of that matters.

It's all so very tiresome.

 Dreamchild wrote:
Update from a certain gentleman over on Reddit:

-Hellbrutes, forgefiends, LRs, preds, heldrakes are all in

-No havocs, no anything with jump packs

-"More of a TS than DG style release," probably meaning WE are getting nothing much else outside of what's already been leaked

Womp womp.

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

-"More of a TS than DG style release,"..
All right, Khorngors confirmed then

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Dreamchild wrote:
Update from a certain gentleman over on Reddit:
-Hellbrutes, forgefiends, LRs, preds, heldrakes are all in
-No havocs, no anything with jump packs
-"More of a TS than DG style release," probably meaning WE are getting nothing much else outside of what's already been leaked

So;
Angron
Zerkers
Red Butchers
Khorngors
Probably one more unit.
And that's it. Given the initial Thousand Sons release was just 5 units, not including ports from AoS.

I may be mistaken, but I believe the initial release of Thousand Sons in 7th edition Wrath of Magnus was just Magnus, SOTs, Exalted Sorcerors, Rubric Marines, and Ahriman. IIRC Tzaangors were added later, after the minis became available for AoS - don't remember how long a gap there was, but I think there was a few months in between.


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CoALabaer wrote:

And i honestly like the fact they try to make the "single release" Chaos Legions actually distinct. Which can not be said about the loyalists...

Are they though? DG are very distinct, no doubt about it, but TS (and it looks like WE as well) are mostly just slightly different flavors of Chaos Space Marines, most of what makes them distinct are the rules (which in TSons case are doing some heavy lifting to differentiate them) rather than the miniatures, otherwise they are basically just CSM with alternate miniature sculpts and fewer options.

chaos0xomega wrote:
[ IIRC Tzaangors were added later, after the minis became available for AoS - don't remember how long a gap there was, but I think there was a few months in between.

Tzaangors were released with Wrath of Magnus with the Autopistol sprue in the box as a splash release BEFORE the AOS version of the box was released.

If they were first released for 40k and then ported to AoS, why is the 40k version an upgrade sprue, and not the AoS one?

Fayric wrote:The thing with berserkers in general is that they burn out their enegy rather quick, so it would be far-fetched to think they spend their days in constant berserk mode.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I like the idea they might be manic depressive, a few hours of bloodlust followed by months of melancholy, and maybe some self-cutting too.

There was an older Fluff bit (I guess late 3rd Edition) which stated that the Khorne Berzerkers (and WE in General) fall in a strong tiredness / chillness after Battle, where they also can instandly fall to the ground to sleep for days.

Never mind. Found the leak.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
If they were first released for 40k and then ported to AoS, why is the 40k version an upgrade sprue, and not the AoS one?

The kit was designed for Age of Sigmar and given a small upgrade sprue for 40K as that most likely made the most sense as for Age of Sigmar the kit has a lot more options...

- 12 savage blades, 12 arcanite shields and 12 sets of axe and pick – pair up the savage blades or carry one and a shield on each model, your choice;
- 2 models can be assembled as Mutants – these have special, mutated heads. In fact, they have 2 heads. Each. Accompanying their terrible deformity are special mutated weapons – 2 swords and 2 axes, each featuring staring eyes modelled on the hilts;
- 2 models can be assembled as icon bearers;
- 2 models can be assembled as Twistbrays, the unit leaders – there are 4 specific sets of extra-ornate horns for them, and 2 double-handed savage greatblades.

So it's certain we'll get these units, looking likely we'll have these units, and a reasonable assumption we'll get these units:

HQ:
Kharn (potentially a new model)
Daemon Prince
Chaos Lord
Some kind of Berzerker Lord, potentially mount-ed/able on a Juggernaut
Some kind of priest, potentially just a Dark Apostle

Troops:
Khorne Berzerkers
Some kind of non-marine Khorne-specific troop, potentially Khorngors
Cultists

Elites:
Helbrute
Possessed
Red Butchers

Fast Attack:
Chaos Spawn

Heavy Support:
Land Raider
Predator
Maulerfiend
Forgefiend
Defiler
Vindicator
Slaughterbrute

Transports:
Rhino (because how could they not?)

Flyers:
Heldrake

Lord of War:
Angron
Lord of Skulls


The Blue are the ones that have been announced and/or spoiled. The Reds are the ones from the leakers, or, as for Cultists and Spawn, a Chaos standard in any Spikey Marine army. And the Oranges are based primarily on the purported equivalence to the TS codex (hence the Red Butchers and Slaughterbrute), which lines up with the other leaks. I could also have included Accursed Cultists as a possibility, but it's hard to tell given they came out after the TS and DG codices.

The space where it seems that we really have room for possibilities is Fast Attack. The spoiler said that WE will not have access to any jump infantry. They didn't list Venomcrawlers among shooty options WE have (which are not available to DG or TS), and they come fused with Obliterators, which were also not listed as a shooty option we have (and nor do DG or TS).That leaves Spawn (which are in both DG, and TS), and then Bikes. Bikes are not available to DG or TS, but then it conflicts with their more slow and steady theme. We might get access to CSM bikes (hopefully with a new kit), perhaps even WE specific bikes (although it's not in the lore, as far as I know), or, hopefully, even some Khorne specific vehicle. The Blood Slaughterer is in the FA slot already, has a Forge World model, and is Khorne specific.

While the rumours of the TS treatment were initially a gut-punch, I really don't mind that breakdown. I love Daemon Princes, Dark Apostles, Accursed Cultists (fingers crossed), Possessed, Bikes, Heldrakes, and Lord of Skulls, and would be happy to borrow them from the CSM codex (most, if not all of my favourite things from the CSM codex). I'll happily live without playing Helbrutes (shame, as Dreadnaughts are cool, but this model is not) and the LR, Vindicator, and Predator (potato boxes), even if they're included. Defiler is ... just awful as a model. Slaughterbrute is ugly as sin, and has no place in 40k. M/F-Fiends I don't mind, but Heavy Support would certainly be an under-utilised slot if nothing more interesting and Khorne-specific is added. But, as specified, Fast Attack remains the real wild-card at this point.

EDIT: I note that for people who wanted to get a jump on buying, really only Rhinos are an absolute safe bet. Kharn may get updated (no pictures of him old or new at this stage). All of the rest of the certainties are unreleased kits. And maybe cultists are the runner-up for safety. That is to say, there doesn't seem to be any motivation to pre-buy anything for your WE.

I'd be surprised if we got bikes.

 Dreamchild wrote:
-"More of a TS than DG style release," probably meaning WE are getting nothing much else outside of what's already been leaked

So Berserker, Red Butcher, Khorngor and too many random and very monopose characters.
Pretty disappointing if true ngl.
At least I hope the few stuff they'll get will be as little monopose, no wargear, no posability as possible (so closer to TS than DG yeah).

 Tastyfish wrote:
Given bikes are rumoured to be on the way, I was almost expecting a world eater dual build (and that is what they were delayed for).

Same. It's the exact kind of unit that could be done via very simple kitbashing (literally a head, shoulder and weapon swap) if the kits aren't YET another trash monopose stuff... but then again GW has decided that core hobby stuff like kitbashing are now extremely evil, and somehow managed to convince the more gulible that it's because they care about us and don't want to force us to have to buy multiple kit (Ngl it's hard to type that with a straight face, but that's the excuse they give).


HO, slight aside, but there's another World Eater mini that has been teased recently and most people have missed it so far :

The new WH+ exclusive! Wana pay 80+ bucks and wait a year to get your old school WE Lord in Terminator armor (?) ?


I guess this kinda confirm that the WE will have a some form of character in Terminator armor. Probably a Lord of some sort, maybe just a elite character.
Or maybe it's just a random terminator sergeant or something, hard to say, that one seems to be pure nostalgia bait rather than a proper "serious" mini.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd be surprised if we got bikes.

Well, something needs to be there besides Spawn. Not saying Bikes, but looks like we'll be surprised regardless, as nothing obvious goes there yet.

 TonyH122 wrote:
Well, something needs to be there besides Spawn. Not saying Bikes, but looks like we'll be surprised regardless, as nothing obvious goes there yet.

I don't get me wrong, I want them to be there, but the current bikes are Chaos Space Marine bikes, and not World Eater Bikes, and if this is a 1KSons-style release, then we could see a lot of things just vanish from the WE list, even if it makes zero sense for them to be gone.

I guess we have to hope that the rumour of new bikes was real...

There's 2 types of Khorne possessed apparently.

So OK_Entrepreneur on Reddit has said that World Eaters will not got CSM possessed but instead their own two types - with one being "what happens if you put 8 bloodletters in a space marine". Other might be some dog-faced mortals he's mentioned, or those could be the Khorngors and there's a separate second possessed.

Flying Juggernaut with a Brazen Beasts commander as a special character alongside Angron and Kharn.

Also sounds like there might not be Red Butchers, but WE Terminators who get upgraded to Red Butchers via strat still. Maybe, more a comment on the WD list so could be hinting that this stays or that they get models (or upgrade bits in Terminator kit).

In 30K they have a Terminator unit called Devourers.

 Tastyfish wrote:
So OK_Entrepreneur on Reddit has said that World Eaters will not got CSM possessed but instead their own two types - with one being "what happens if you put 8 bloodletters in a space marine".

Yeah it's called a POSSESSED MARINE!
What the feth is wrong with GW?

Most possessed only have one special friend. Stuffing eight (Khorne’s number of course) into one is quite extravagant.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Most possessed only have one special friend. Stuffing eight (Khorne’s number of course) into one is quite extravagant.

It doesn't have me excited to be honest, it makes me think it will be a hot mess or busy parts sprouting from wherever. Could be wrong, but I was not a fan of the possessed cultists CSM got. The Possessed were not bad though so I feel like it is a coin flip lol.

CSM didn't even get their possessed cultists yet, for some reason they're still not out.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Most possessed only have one special friend. Stuffing eight (Khorne’s number of course) into one is quite extravagant.

It doesn't have me excited to be honest, it makes me think it will be a hot mess or busy parts sprouting from wherever. Could be wrong, but I was not a fan of the possessed cultists CSM got. The Possessed were not bad though so I feel like it is a coin flip lol.

I know what you mean; with the example of the Forge World Gal Vorbak, all the plastic options so far have been lacklustre by comparison so my expectations are low.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Most possessed only have one special friend. Stuffing eight (Khorne’s number of course) into one is quite extravagant.

You're missing the grand point

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Most possessed only have one special friend. Stuffing eight (Khorne’s number of course) into one is quite extravagant.

It doesn't have me excited to be honest, it makes me think it will be a hot mess or busy parts sprouting from wherever. Could be wrong, but I was not a fan of the possessed cultists CSM got. The Possessed were not bad though so I feel like it is a coin flip lol.

Hard to tell what they will look lke in real life. Lots of new releases looks terrible with GW paintjob and flat images, but end up quite cool once you get them on the tabletop. That said, they sure dont look pleasing to the eye -I guess that makes sense for gotesque mutated abominations though.

Could be new fluff to bring back Mutilators.

I remember the really nice Khorne daemonkin codex. It had a cool blood tally system that basicly made any unit you lost generate blood thite that granted you bonuses and soon enough let you summon free bloodthirsters

Best option you could take was cultists in a rhino, because they generated 3 bonus points (for unit, transport, and unit character) if the enemy took them out.

That would be nice to see again, and would fit with the bonus systems other factions get today.

 Fayric wrote:
I remember the really nice Khorne daemonkin codex. It had a cool blood tally system that basicly made any unit you lost generate blood thite that granted you bonuses and soon enough let you summon free bloodthirsters

Best option you could take was cultists in a rhino, because they generated 3 bonus points (for unit, transport, and unit character) if the enemy took them out.

That would be nice to see again, and would fit with the bonus systems other factions get today.

Age of Sigmar Khorne have a similar mechanic. Whenever a unit (yours or theirs) dies you get a Blood Tithe point and summon a daemon unit.

In 40k it'll probably just be "give +1 strength to a unit for every 5 Blood Tithe points you have" and "Spend 1 CP to give a unit +1 Str without spending a Blood Tithe point" or something.

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Sounds like a cool system but summoning free Bloodthirsters seems a bit excessive. Would be nice if we had something more potent than the "1 CP for +1 Str" though haha

 Tastyfish wrote:
two types - with one being "what happens if you put 8 bloodletters in a space marine".

So, a blood smoothie?

Tastyfish wrote:Flying Juggernaut with a Brazen Beasts commander as a special character alongside Angron and Kharn.

So they're getting a special snowflake on a blood pegasus? Interesting.

I've forgotten - are the Brazen Beasts part of the WE, or a Khorne-aligned Renegades warband these days? I think I can recall them being both at different times.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Most possessed only have one special friend. Stuffing eight (Khorne’s number of course) into one is quite extravagant.

You're missing the grand point

If you tried making your point, clearly and succinctly, perhaps people wouldn't miss it.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Sounds like a cool system but summoning free Bloodthirsters seems a bit excessive. Would be nice if we had something more potent than the "1 CP for +1 Str" though haha

Well it takes 8 units dying. With maybe 20 in game.

Also in practice tithe gets usea in stuff like move/charge start of turn, fight in start of turn, auto dispels etc.


Coupled with free bloldthirster needing 9" charge in practic it's hardly op.

(As is khorne is one of the worst armies atm)

Two varieties of Khorne Possessed sound cool to me. There better be a dedicated Terminator kit coming though.

 Dysartes wrote:
I've forgotten - are the Brazen Beasts part of the WE, or a Khorne-aligned Renegades warband these days? I think I can recall them being both at different times.

Renegades - they've never been part of the WE, iirc

 Dysartes wrote:

Tastyfish wrote:Flying Juggernaut with a Brazen Beasts commander as a special character alongside Angron and Kharn.

So they're getting a special snowflake on a blood pegasus? Interesting.

I've forgotten - are the Brazen Beasts part of the WE, or a Khorne-aligned Renegades warband these days? I think I can recall them being both at different times.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Most possessed only have one special friend. Stuffing eight (Khorne’s number of course) into one is quite extravagant.

You're missing the grand point

If you tried making your point, clearly and succinctly, perhaps people wouldn't miss it.

The grand point is that it's still just Possessed, one friend or 100. It's another situation of bespoke rules because there's a going to be a more Khorne looking Possessed model, but that doesn't need a whole unit entry.

There's no consistency with the rules writing but people defend it.

Dunno, sounds more of a small monster scale model than a unit to me.

 Tastyfish wrote:
So OK_Entrepreneur on Reddit has said that World Eaters will not got CSM possessed but instead their own two types - with one being "what happens if you put 8 bloodletters in a space marine". Other might be some dog-faced mortals he's mentioned, or those could be the Khorngors and there's a separate second possessed.

Flying Juggernaut with a Brazen Beasts commander as a special character alongside Angron and Kharn.

Also sounds like there might not be Red Butchers, but WE Terminators who get upgraded to Red Butchers via strat still. Maybe, more a comment on the WD list so could be hinting that this stays or that they get models (or upgrade bits in Terminator kit).

Leaving Red Butchers as a stratagem would be sooo bad. And typical 9th edition gw treatment for Chaos as well.

tneva82 wrote:

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Sounds like a cool system but summoning free Bloodthirsters seems a bit excessive. Would be nice if we had something more potent than the "1 CP for +1 Str" though haha

Well it takes 8 units dying. With maybe 20 in game.

Also in practice tithe gets usea in stuff like move/charge start of turn, fight in start of turn, auto dispels etc.


Coupled with free bloldthirster needing 9" charge in practic it's hardly op.

(As is khorne is one of the worst armies atm)

Oh interesting, I didn't realize the scale involved. Losing about 40% of your army to summon a Bloodthirster doesn't seem that bad then.

They're gonna wanna put sub factions (or more properly sub-sub-factions) into this already 1 dimensional army ain't they? What could they possibly do?

Stone Cold Blood Killahs - The Stone Cold Blood Killahs believe that Khorne wants to them to come to grips with the enemy as soon as possible, they add 6" to the move of every unit.

Stone Cold Skull Killahs - The Stone Cold Skull Killahs believe that Khorne does not want to wait for them to come to grips with the enemy and wants to them to kill the enemy at range. They add 6" to the range of every shooting weapon.

Stone Cold Death Killahs - The Stone Cold Death Killahs are all like, why not both yo? They add 3" to their move AND 3" to weapon ranges.

Sadly, I can guarantee these rules will be better and easier to use than whatever GW puts in the codex. Including the names.

Updated Based on new leaks:

So it's certain we'll get these units, looking likely we'll have these units, and a reasonable assumption we'll get these units:

HQ:
Kharn (potentially a new model)
Daemon Prince
Chaos Lord
Generic Jugger Lord
Named Jugger Lord, potentially the named lord the leaker suggests is a Brazen Beast named character, Lord Invictus
Terminator Lord, the leaker says no Termi Lord
Some kind of priest, potentially just a Dark Apostle, any kind of priest marked absent by leaker
Master of Executions, included by leaker as an HQ, but admits it was an older playtest codex, so may have been moved to elite, like CSM

Troops:
Khorne Berzerkers
Some kind of non-marine Khorne-specific troop, potentially Khorngors, potentially one of the two breeds of Khorne specific possessed unitsthe leaker spoke of
Cultists

Elites:
Helbrute
Possessed, leaker says no access to CSM possessed
Khorne specific possessed unit, one of two, this one 'like 8 bloodletters shoved into one marine
Red Butchers, leaker says no new terminator unit

Fast Attack:
Chaos Spawn

Heavy Support:
Land Raider
Predator
Maulerfiend
Forgefiend
Defiler
Vindicator
Slaughterbrute

Transports:
Rhino (because how could they not?)

Flyers:
Heldrake

Lord of War:
Angron
Lord of Skulls

 TonyH122 wrote:

Terminator Lord, the leaker says no Termi Lord, but GW rumour mill has a 2nd ed Khorne Terminator Lord throwback in silhouette

That terminator is the year 2 Warhammer Plus model, so won't be in the codex. At best, it'll get a datasheet of its own so it can be used in games, but will probably be a named character if so.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 TonyH122 wrote:

Terminator Lord, the leaker says no Termi Lord, but GW rumour mill has a 2nd ed Khorne Terminator Lord throwback in silhouette

That terminator is the year 2 Warhammer Plus model, so won't be in the codex. At best, it'll get a datasheet of its own so it can be used in games, but will probably be a named character if so.

Ah ok. Updated.

Here you go.

That's amazing! I wish more of Mark Gibbons' old art got turned into models this good!

Kargos Bloodspitter when?!

That is badass. I don't want wh plus but I might put a down payment on an annual just to get him.

Kharn just got a recent redo.

 TonyH122 wrote:

Red Butchers , leaker says no new Terminator models, although may still be a CP unit update as for the current index

C'mon, at this point it's not even TS treatment. It's even worse. At this rate EC will be a plastic upgrade sprue for Noise marines and that's it.

I'm ok with that being Warhammer+ exclusive.

Dont like the terminator, gun looks very stupid

 KidCthulhu wrote:
That's amazing! I wish more of Mark Gibbons' old art got turned into models this good!

Kargos Bloodspitter when?!

Right?! I want the Chosen of Abaddon to all get models now.

 TonyH122 wrote:

Red Butchers , leaker says no new Terminator models, although may still be a CP unit update as for the current index

Got a source/link for that?

If that's the only Khorne Terminator we're getting then that's pretty damned sad for WE.

Yeahhhhh, the WE release seems pretty anemic if this is the initial offerings model wise. Looks like they're banking on the Angron centerpiece to anchor the WE solo-army debut, which is disappointing.

They do have to leave something for the 10th edition World Eater Codex. Due in 1Q 2023.

 (HN) wrote:

Here you go.

The model is so faithful to the art and actually managed to make it enjoyable as a mini, I think it's a fantastic release, I wasn't expecting that
Well, I know what model I'll chose for my 2nd year of subscription

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
They do have to leave something for the 10th edition World Eater Codex. Due in 1Q 2023.

That's where they give them a single monopose HQ choice that's locked into a 300$ box for half a year.

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 TonyH122 wrote:

Red Butchers , leaker says no new Terminator models, although may still be a CP unit update as for the current index

Got a source/link for that?

Hmm, I swear I saw it with the other leaks. There are a few deleted post on that thread. Either way, I'll change the post so as not to freak people out prematurely

That new model looks great. I'm wondering if that gun is a combi-bolter or some kind of shotgun. About the leaks, I highly doubt that their will be no Terminator models, as all the other god-specific Legions got them, and also Red Butchers have a very distinct look to them. I really hope that Possessed can be used, as they are prominent in the World Eaters.

I think it's just a combi-bolter. I was really hoping they wouldn't 'modernise' the original design and keep the big "pipe" design for his gun. Glad they kept it.

Why do people think they won't get Terminators?
Of course they will get Terminators.

 dan2026 wrote:
Why do people think they won't get Terminators?
Of course they will get Terminators.

Because GW's gonna GW, because people saw how weirdly and inconsistently the new Chaos Codex handled some options, and because the Thousand Sons release was also extremely tiny.

Yeah seems we're getting Possessed+ instead of cool new Terminators.

That terminator's combi-bolter looks quite large-bore. I have to wonder if the rules for him will have with nonstandard rules. Something like S6, rapid fire2, AP -2, or something like that.

 TonyH122 wrote:
So it's certain we'll get these units, looking likely we'll have these units, and a reasonable assumption we'll get these units:

HQ:
Kharn (potentially a new model)

I like the list - makes logical sense.

On Kharn, The model is still pretty recent so it seems unlikely to me that he'd be replaced this quickly - especially given if they have a charracter production slot free they could drop in a new character and pretty much guarantee that any WE player will buy both. Are there any notable non-Kharn WE characters from the books that survive the HH?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
They're gonna wanna put sub factions (or more properly sub-sub-factions) into this already 1 dimensional army ain't they? What could they possibly do?

Stone Cold Blood Killahs - The Stone Cold Blood Killahs believe that Khorne wants to them to come to grips with the enemy as soon as possible, they add 6" to the move of every unit.

Stone Cold Skull Killahs - The Stone Cold Skull Killahs believe that Khorne does not want to wait for them to come to grips with the enemy and wants to them to kill the enemy at range. They add 6" to the range of every shooting weapon.

Stone Cold Death Killahs - The Stone Cold Death Killahs are all like, why not both yo? They add 3" to their move AND 3" to weapon ranges.

Sadly, I can guarantee these rules will be better and easier to use than whatever GW puts in the codex. Including the names.

WHAT!!!!, WHAT!!!!, WHAT!!!!.... Give me a "Hell Yeah!"


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 (HN) wrote:

Here you go.

All the years of looking at that picture and I never noticed he had the Khorne rune on his head. I miss old GW artwork like this. You keep finding new stuff everytime you look at it.

The model. I want to like it. I do like it. I'll never pay the scalper price or get a WH+ sub for it. I'm sure the 3-D print homages will be out soon for it though. Again GW nice looking model. I'll give credit where it's due and this is really faithful to the artwork. I so do love Mark Gibbons old GW art work.

I'd love to have the two techpriests that are talking infront of the genestealer head and other old Techpriests as models. the creepier and most disturbing they are the better.

Ofc the name is bonk as hell....but you can't win them all right? I can call him whatever I like.

That's a nice looking model, shame it's a WH+ exclusive, don't see me getting it. Do you have to be subscribed for the full year to get it?

Yeah, you either have to sub for a full year subscription and then you get it a month later, or you have to sub for 12 consecutive months and you get it after you've paid for your 12th month.

 Azazelx wrote:

 TonyH122 wrote:
So it's certain we'll get these units, looking likely we'll have these units, and a reasonable assumption we'll get these units:

HQ:
Kharn (potentially a new model)

I like the list - makes logical sense.

On Kharn, The model is still pretty recent so it seems unlikely to me that he'd be replaced this quickly - especially given if they have a charracter production slot free they could drop in a new character and pretty much guarantee that any WE player will buy both. Are there any notable non-Kharn WE characters from the books that survive the HH?

Kossolax the Forsworn comes to mind.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
That's a nice looking model, shame it's a WH+ exclusive, don't see me getting it. Do you have to be subscribed for the full year to get it?

I wonder if you could just sub one month to get access to the "buy more" option and get them, or if that option is too locked for the one year sub...
Anyway, the real pro tips here is to find a patsy that is subbed and have them buy an extra for you, that's what I'll do for the vindicar (even managed to just trade it with another exclusive I had as extra) and I'll probably do the same for that one too.

I hope this leak is wrong and well get at least ONE daemon engine on top of the chaff/marine/terminator combo. Even if it's yet another "minor" version of the cool FW stuff. Hell, I'd LOVE for GW to give us the Kaythan upgrade kit in platic since adding new sprue to kits seems to be their new gimick these days.

I just realized something, it looks like GW at the time may have based the design of their Lord Zhufor, the legs and the rest reminds me of it.

He is also one of thos characters I could see GW bring back in plastic for that new WE codex (but looking at the 2 other legions, GW doesn't seem to care to much about giving more than a primarch and posterboy to thos armies..).

I'm starting to think that we may at least get a proper terminator lord for the WE, and one that is in indomitus rather than cataphracii like the red butchers.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
They do have to leave something for the 10th edition World Eater Codex. Due in 1Q 2023.

So 9e codex q3/4 22 and 10e q1 23 before 10e even been out? That would be new record even for gw

I love how that exclusive terminator has the chainsaw part of the fist as a middle finger.
Vintage GW humor for sure.

 Fayric wrote:
I love how that exclusive terminator has the chainsaw part of the fist as a middle finger.
Vintage GW humor for sure.

It really sells the "rage" part of Khorne

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
I love how that exclusive terminator has the chainsaw part of the fist as a middle finger.
Vintage GW humor for sure.

It really sells the "rage" part of Khorne

That's just what Chaos chainfists looked like in 2nd ed.

Love those old chaos termies. They always looked great.

Well, leaker on reddit has declared no new terminator unit of any kind, red butchers or otherwise. So the strikethrough returns to the list.

Incredibly disappointing.

I really hope he's incorrect

Because damn, that's just a slap in the face

 (HN) wrote:

I just realized something, it looks like GW at the time may have based the design of their Lord Zhufor, the legs and the rest reminds me of it.

Spoiler:

He is also one of thos characters I could see GW bring back in plastic for that new WE codex (but looking at the 2 other legions, GW doesn't seem to care to much about giving more than a primarch and posterboy to thos armies..).

I'm starting to think that we may at least get a proper terminator lord for the WE, and one that is in indomitus rather than cataphracii like the red butchers.

That's the benchmark fig I was mentally comparing the new warhammer+ exclusive fig to. It's not that I don't like the new one (it's ok to good) but rather that I don't have the nostalgia for the original art unlike for example the Mephiston classic art/figure.

Did Zhufor ever get one of those nice full page art painting pages for his character in any of the Vraks books like Inquisitor Rex did?

Dude, where's my Terminator armour?


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INB4: Ibris/GW shills tell us it's good World Eaters get diversified by not having access to Terminator armour.

No Red Butchers? Why would they skip such an iconic unit in favor of other things?

 blood reaper wrote:
Dude, where's my Terminator armour?

Liber Hereticus.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
No Red Butchers? Why would they skip such an iconic unit in favor of other things?

Why are two thirds of every Thousand Sons box not Thousand Sons?
Why is there no Traitor Guard in the CSM Codex, despite GW saying they'll make a great addition and having a multipart plastic kit?
Why are Chainfists and Power Fists different things in the CSM Codex, if Accursed Weapons were meant to simplify things?
Why are Terminators limited in their weapon choice on what can they take in the box, but Havocs aren't?
Why is a Power Fist on a Terminator a Power Fist, but an Accursed Weapon on a Chosen?
Why can Sorcerers only have a staff, but Lords have access to a few weapon options, depsite the fact both of them only have a single monopose kit with no options?
Why can Bikers take an Icon despite not coming with one in the kit, but Terminators can't?
Why can't Haarken be used as a generic model, but Vex Machinator can, despite them both being Black Legion named characters?
Why is GW still selling the ancient Night Lords Chaos Lord with an illegal loadout?
Why are Accursed Cultists and Possessed still not out?

These are questions we might never know the answers to.

No World Eaters termies on release is a bit of a massive bummer. I have to say I'm disappointed that they gave Death Guard such a detailed and characterful fleshing out, but seem content to let Thousand Sons and now World Eaters somewhat languish as also-rans (model wise, Thousand Sons rules are great even if theres a shortage of options and most lists end up looking/feeling the same way). I had hoped that Thousand Sons would get the same treatment eventually, and in the meantime was expecting World Eaters to get a similar level of support to Death Guard as the template for what traitor legions *could* be. Its disappointing that GWs approach to making them a right proper army instead seems to be a box of resculpted traitor marines, a Primarch mini, a non-World Eaters character, and I assume a Khorngor-esque chaff type unit which may or may not involve a ganagbang of Bloodletters.

 TonyH122 wrote:
Well, leaker on reddit has declared no new terminator unit of any kind, red butchers or otherwise. So the strikethrough returns to the list.

Ugh, no more leaks from him I guess

"This user has deleted their account."

I wasn’t expecting the World Eaters to get quite as much as the DG (they got more because they were one of the starter factions that edition). But this is sounding pretty disappointing. I was hoping for somewhere in between TS and DG at least.

 xttz wrote:

 TonyH122 wrote:
Well, leaker on reddit has declared no new terminator unit of any kind, red butchers or otherwise. So the strikethrough returns to the list.

Ugh, no more leaks from him I guess

"This user has deleted their account."

Yeah, it's strange. One of the last things he posted was [paraphrased]:
"It's not like the playtesters were leaking any information before GW kicked them to the curb..."

Which sounded to me like he might have been running to the end of his insider knowledge, but who knows now. Could be like what happened with the B&C leaker where they deleted their account once GW caught wind of who their man on the inside was.

I'm guessing they were found out or someone was on to them, etc. I would not be surprised if GW was providing distinctive info to different sources trying to figure out who was leaking and OK_E was found out, some of their recent rumors were... interesting, almost to the point of feeling a bit farfetched or outlandish in a way. Maybe that was GW providing intentionally fake rumors to suss them out and OK_E took the bait.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
No Red Butchers? Why would they skip such an iconic unit in favor of other things?

Why is GW still selling the ancient Night Lords Chaos Lord with an illegal loadout?


These are questions we might never know the answers to.

Because it's a cool old model, people dont have to use the current 40k rules or play games with it

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
No Red Butchers? Why would they skip such an iconic unit in favor of other things?

Why is GW still selling the ancient Night Lords Chaos Lord with an illegal loadout?


These are questions we might never know the answers to.

Because it's a cool old model, people dont have to use the current 40k rules or play games with it

Right so not only ‘no model, no rules’ we’re now on ‘model, no rules’. Cool.

 TonyH122 wrote:
Well, leaker on reddit has declared no new terminator unit of any kind, red butchers or otherwise. So the strikethrough returns to the list.

There are new Terminators on that leaked Photo with Angron and the new Berzerkers?

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
No Red Butchers? Why would they skip such an iconic unit in favor of other things?

Why is GW still selling the ancient Night Lords Chaos Lord with an illegal loadout?


These are questions we might never know the answers to.

Because it's a cool old model, people dont have to use the current 40k rules or play games with it

Right so not only ‘no model, no rules’ we’re now on ‘model, no rules’. Cool.

And simultenously "no model, rules" with the Chaos Lord.

There is no way they release the army without Terminators.
Especially after they have already made one for Warhammer+

They are not going to do all the CAD and molds then just release one promo model.

 xttz wrote:

 TonyH122 wrote:
Well, leaker on reddit has declared no new terminator unit of any kind, red butchers or otherwise. So the strikethrough returns to the list.

Ugh, no more leaks from him I guess

"This user has deleted their account."

Last thing he posted: Spawn are the only thing WE have in FA slot :S

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
No Red Butchers? Why would they skip such an iconic unit in favor of other things?

Why is GW still selling the ancient Night Lords Chaos Lord with an illegal loadout?


These are questions we might never know the answers to.

Because it's a cool old model, people dont have to use the current 40k rules or play games with it

Right so not only ‘no model, no rules’ we’re now on ‘model, no rules’. Cool.

What do you mean? That's clearly a Chosen with Combi-Flamer and Accursed Weapon.

Well that's incredibly disappointing if true. I'm legit shocked that GW wouldn't do a Terminator unit for WE, even if the rest of the roster was lacking. Really surprised.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Well that's incredibly disappointing if true. I'm legit shocked that GW wouldn't do a Terminator unit for WE, even if the rest of the roster was lacking. Really surprised.

Id be surprisd if they don't, both Thousand Sons and Death Guard have had their own terminator models. I'm guessing we will see them, maybe not straight away but at some point

RazorEdge wrote:

 TonyH122 wrote:
Well, leaker on reddit has declared no new terminator unit of any kind, red butchers or otherwise. So the strikethrough returns to the list.

There are new Terminators on that leaked Photo with Angron and the new Berzerkers?

Yes, he just said no Terminator Lords and was commenting on paying 2CP for Red Butchers in the WD Index list.
We've seen that there are Terminators as Razor says.

 TonyH122 wrote:
Well, leaker on reddit has declared no new terminator unit of any kind, red butchers or otherwise. So the strikethrough returns to the list.

Ngl, I would be SHOCKED if that turned out to be true.
It's literally the most well kown WE unit right after the berserker themselves.


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chaos0xomega wrote:
No World Eaters termies on release is a bit of a massive bummer. I have to say I'm disappointed that they gave Death Guard such a detailed and characterful fleshing out, but seem content to let Thousand Sons and now World Eaters somewhat languish as also-rans (model wise, Thousand Sons rules are great even if theres a shortage of options and most lists end up looking/feeling the same way). I had hoped that Thousand Sons would get the same treatment eventually, and in the meantime was expecting World Eaters to get a similar level of support to Death Guard as the template for what traitor legions *could* be. Its disappointing that GWs approach to making them a right proper army instead seems to be a box of resculpted traitor marines, a Primarch mini, a non-World Eaters character, and I assume a Khorngor-esque chaff type unit which may or may not involve a ganagbang of Bloodletters.

As a Death Guard player, I'll take the Thousand Sons treatment any second of the century over the gak Death guard got.
They are the perfect example of what you get when you make sprues for a starter box without ANY concideration for what's supposed to come afterward.
The current state of the humble Plague Marine kit is downright insulting, the two main lords are at best fully monopose and without options or at worst literally NOT SOLD AT ALL because it's locked on a big sprue with other gak like some plague drones (GW could have been a bit smart and put that sprue in the starter box, but instead they decided to deliver the objectively worse starter box in all their system combinned), they just "forgot" to deliver the actual real complete kit for the blight haulers (yaknow, the one with other faceplates and different weapons) .
It's awful.
At least the thousand sons got a decent multipose and full of gear kit for both their marines and terminators, and even their HQ have some customization (mostly cosmetic, but still better than nothing) since you can swap around their bits between eachothers.

I honestly hope that the WE will be way more 1KS than DG by getting less kits, but kits that aren't total dog gak at least.

Where are the WE Terminators in this pic?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Where are the WE Terminators in this pic?

That said, thos things in the back are definitly the new chaff for the WE. I'd love if they were khorngors, but they look more like random humans.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Where are the WE Terminators in this pic?

These guys look like they could be wearing mismatched Terminator armour, but frankly at this quality they might as well be the Super-possessed we've heard about.

They have backpacks, regular helmets, and appear to be holding pistols.

Bad quality or no, I don't see Terminators there.

Possessed it is then.

 dan2026 wrote:
There is no way they release the army without Terminators.
Especially after they have already made one for Warhammer+

They are not going to do all the CAD and molds then just release one promo model.

The one for Warhammer+ is very clearly not meant to fit into the World Eaters army aesthetically. Its a display piece and nothing more. Also the one-off model has no place in a terminator squad, at best its a surrogate terminator lord miniature.

As a Death Guard player, I'll take the Thousand Sons treatment any second of the century over the gak Death guard got.
They are the perfect example of what you get when you make sprues for a starter box without ANY concideration for what's supposed to come afterward.
The current state of the humble Plague Marine kit is downright insulting, the two main lords are at best fully monopose and without options or at worst literally NOT SOLD AT ALL because it's locked on a big sprue with other gak like some plague drones (GW could have been a bit smart and put that sprue in the starter box, but instead they decided to deliver the objectively worse starter box in all their system combinned), they just "forgot" to deliver the actual real complete kit for the blight haulers (yaknow, the one with other faceplates and different weapons) .
It's awful.

Huh?
The Plague Marine kit has a pretty great menu of options available to it (shame that GW limits the rules to the contents of a box, but thats not the kits fault/problem).
I can go on the GW website right now and buy an appropriate mini for every single Death Guard HQ (Lord Felthius = Lord of Contagion, Death Guard Lord in Terminator Armor & Death Guard Sorceror in Terminator Armor use the generic Terminator Lord/Sorceror kit (you can also use the Tainted Cohort from the Felthius kit as such), Death Guard Daemon Prince kit has two options between the generic and nurgle prince kits and will soon be getting a new plastic kit, Malignant Plaguecaster comes in the Chosen of Mortarion kit and you can use the Plague Marine Champion there to represent a regular Death Guard Chaos Lord, Lord of Virulence and Typhus are self-explanatory), and you can get Blight Haulers with options on the shelf - no obligation for them to give those to you in a starter box.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The Plague Marine kit has a pretty great menu of options available to it (shame that GW limits the rules to the contents of a box, but thats not the kits fault/problem).

I wouldn't call having a random assortment or random gear "great options".
Also did you not know that you only get 7 marines in a box of plague marine? Ofc you can buy the "reinforcement" pack of 3 marines for almost the same price than the 7 guys.
Hey, you can also buy for a little more than 60% of the price of that 7 guy squad the missing icon bearer if you want!

This picture alone should tell you how bad this is.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I can go on the GW website right now and buy an appropriate mini for every single Death Guard HQ (Lord Felthius = Lord of Contagion, Death Guard Lord in Terminator Armor & Death Guard Sorceror in Terminator Armor use the generic Terminator Lord/Sorceror kit (you can also use the Tainted Cohort from the Felthius kit as such),

No, Festus isn't the same thing than a proper Lord of Contagion, and I'm not even talking about the fact that it's objectively the worst example of "cartoonish garbage" GW tried to turn the DG into with 8th, I'm talking about his loadout. He comes with the garbage loadout that was made specifically for him, the one that his honestly directly inferior to the proper LoC, and what's more, he comes bundled with his 3 tainted cohort goods that not only don't have a proper rules anymore (I honestly don't know what GW didn't took the opportunity to make Festus a proper new character instead of making him that weird round peg for a square hole standing LoC), but are monopose and 1 of them even has an illegal loadout that you'll have to convert if you want to stay wisiwig (so much for the no mini no option amirit?). But the best part is that, ofc, you HAVE to pay for them even if you just wanted that pseudo LoC.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Death Guard Daemon Prince kit has two options between the generic and nurgle prince kits and will soon be getting a new plastic kit,

riiiight, you mean the antic one in fail cast? Damn, what a great option it is!

chaos0xomega wrote:
Malignant Plaguecaster comes in the Chosen of Mortarion kit and you can use the Plague Marine Champion there to represent a regular Death Guard Chaos Lord, Lord of Virulence

Damn, you keep jumping from mines to mines don't you? I guess that's what you get when you rush into a minefield you clearly don't know anything about the "Chosen of Mortarion"?
Ever looked at their sprue? Ofc not since you clearly don't play DG so let me drop some fun facts for ya:
This "bundle" is yet another example of "made for the starterbox without any foresight for the future", it's a box that contains 3 random, MONOPOSE (like all DG characters) minies that have nothing in comon and yet you are forced to buy together. Once again I won't even mention how bad some of them are (the caster in particular is a well known meme at this point, what makes it even more insulting is that there is a way better version of him out there, it's just locked in the oop paint set made for japan as an addon to the Warhammer Heroes thing, but you want to know the real funny bit about that kit?

It contains half an extra half plague marine.

Wana know where the rest of that guy is?
On the pox walker sprue! Ofc, since it's one of thos trash monopose thing you can't even use any of the bits separately (outside of the backpack).


But hey, wana know where the 3 missing marines from the current plague marine box really are?
Welp, they are locked on the same sprue than the missing Lord of Contagion, once again, that's what cancerous shortsighted "made for starter" box gets you.

The only reason why the Plague marine are sold by 7 is because of that, and not as some deluded people have said because of the number of nurgle.

Just to reiterate since I'm talking about that sprue, NOTHING could have stopped GW from putting this sprue and the plague marine one in the starter box. That would have been 1 squad, 1 character and 1 vehicle which is well withing the limit of the average Combat Patrol (they would have to slap another 5 man unit in there, or some poxwalkers since the vehicles is smaller than what you usually get in combat patrol), but nah, instead we got the worse Combat Patrol out there, one that was so bad they even tried to make a full "army of renown" just for it, just to sell a couple more, before nerfing it to the ground anyway.
They had a way out for that LoC and a way to deliver an proper 10 man squad at the same time in the starter set, but they couldn't even do that properly! They are THAT stupid, incompetent and careless.

chaos0xomega wrote:
and Typhus are self-explanatory), and you can get Blight Haulers with options on the shelf - no obligation for them to give those to you in a starter box.

It's funny that you try to pull the "huuur they aint obligated to give you thos blight haulers on the starter box" (I honestly have no clue wtf that have to do with anything here), but since you mention that starter box and Typhus, yes he is in the combat patrol. The character from the starter box is a named character, which is way way less friendly than having a standard guy.

Hey, since you brought back the starter box, wana know another fun fact about the DG Combat Patrol?
The force it contains is illegal as such. You cannot just play it out of the box because of the Diseased Minions rule that require your army to contain more astartes than followers.
This is how bad the DG is right now.

So yeah, I'll take the TS treatment where I get less units, but at least the ones I got aren't a bad joke, literally broken sprues from starter box (and by starter box I'm talking about Dark Imperium).

The Plague Marine kit does not have the same minis from the starter set.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Where are the WE Terminators in this pic?

I have no horse in this race, beyond wanting terminators more than anything ... but I always struggled to find terminators in that picture as well.

I suppose the guy on the mid-right hand side has cataphracii-ish shoulder pads, but his body doesn't look very terminator-y; nowhere near bulky enough. Could just as easily be one of these new Khorne-specific possessed.

So, that image is the entire World Eaters release, huh?

Angron, some Zerkers, the Possessed in the right, and some chaff on top?

Wow. That's bad.

 TonyH122 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Where are the WE Terminators in this pic?

I have no horse in this race, beyond wanting terminators more than anything ... but I always struggled to find terminators in that picture as well.

I suppose the guy on the mid-right hand side has cataphracii-ish shoulder pads, but his body doesn't look very terminator-y; nowhere near bulky enough. Could just as easily be one of these new Khorne-specific possessed.

Yeah that’s about where I got to; if you squint a bit and wish real hard, that one guy might have Cataphractii plate and a combi-bolter. But is just him out of a unit of 3-4 big guys with what look like enormous bloodletter blades. And it’s not like they can’t make a Possessed using a guy in terminator armour as the base, anyway.

That looks like half a picture to me.
So I would hope the rest of the WE units are on the right side along with that Guard tank.

 (HN) wrote:
*cringe whining*

-Plague marines "random assortment of random gear" is the same type of stuff that basically everyone else gets. You get enough stuff in the kit to make the basic loadout for every model in the unit and at least one of each melee/special/heavy option. Plague Marines are actually a bit better than most as you get multiples of certain weapons, whereas most kits only give you one of each. Getting 7 marines is a non-issue (most DG players run them in units of 5 anyway), plenty of factions don't get max squad sizes in the box - take Harlequins for example, if you want to run a full size squad of them you have to buy 2 boxes. Again, Plague Marines are a bit better than most here, as the reinforcement pack is a lower buy-in than a full second box, but if you're crafty you can instead buy an extra box for every two units of Plague Marines, that gets you two units of 10 and a Death Guard Lord all for less than if you had to buy two boxes per unit as is the case with most other factions. If you want an icon you can run the guy in the back left of the squad image as the icon bearer, the little Death Guard/Nurgle symbol on top of his back is, by definition, an icon - no need to buy a specific separate mini for that, if you do thats more of a "you" problem than a Games Workshop problem. While Thousand Sons do get a full size unit in one kit, most Thousand Sons players only want to run 5 man squads - problem with that is that you only get bits to make one Aspiring Sorceror (which you *must* take) in the box, which means if you want to run 2 5 man squads out of one box you have to scrounge up bits from elsewhere to convert additional aspiring sorcerors or buy additional models, etc. Death Guard are not any worse off than Thousand Sons. Also, as HBMC said, the plague marines kit you can buy today are ***NOT*** the same models that came in Dark Imperium - you get 7 marines in the standalone plague marine kit because thats how GW designed the kit, not because they were designed for the starter box.

-Felthius gets a weapon that you can use as a Manreaper or a Plaguereaper and something that can represent an orb of dessication if you want it to be. There is no problem here. If you are overly concerned about wysiwyg, its very easy to make his scythe look more like an axe. As I said, his 3 tainted cohort "goons" are perfect Death Guard Lords/Sorcerors in Terminator Armor. You get one that works with combi-bolter and power/force axe right out of the box and if you borrow leftover bits from your blightlord terminators kit you can easily swap out the weapons on the other two to make them work. And let me cut you off before you go "jump on a mine" - if you want one Thousand Sons Exalted Sorceror you actually need to buy 3 because they aren't sold individually (otherwise you basically have to buy Ahirman, a regular CSM Sorceror, or an Infernal Master and convert the hell out of it with bits from other kits if you only want one) this basically isn't any better than having to buy Felthius plus three dudes. Likewise if you want a Thousand Sons Terminator Sorceror, you have to buy the regular Terminator Sorceror kit and then chop him up and mix him up with bits from Scarab Occult Terminator kits to make him look like an actual Thousand Sons. Death Guard are no worse off than Thousand Sons in this regard, actually slightly better off because Lord Felthius and Co are almost half the price of 3 exalted sorcerors.

-The Nurgle Daemon Prince mini is one of my favorite sculpts GW has produced. "BUT FAILCAST" is a sad tired old meme, let it die. If you don't want to use the Nurgle Daemon Prince theres a plastic kit you can buy instead. Its the same gakky plastic kit Thousand Sons have to use, because unlike Death Guard the Thousand Sons/Tzeentch doesn't get its own special snowflake daemon prince mini. Again, the plastic kit is being replaced later this year with a much better plastic kit that contains bits usable by all four gods. Death Guard are, again, no worse off than TSons, and better off by virtue of having a god-specific daemon prince that nobody else has.

-Chosen of Mortarion are fine. "But mah monopose" is another sad tired old meme. The "official minis" for Thousand Sons Sorcerors, Sorcerors in Terminator Armor, Infernal Masters, and Tzaangor Shamans are all monopose too. The only multipose character TSons have is the Exalted Sorceror (which again, come three to a kit, and even then they aren't really multipose so much as they have a couple of different stylistic choices you can make within each minis monopose build). Even if these three minis were released stand-alone, they would still be monopose, just like every other factions HQ and Elite character options, except you'd be paying 10-40USD more to buy the three of them individually as opposed to getting them in a set. You don't have to run the Plague Marine Champion as a Plague Marine Champion, again not hard to make into a Death Guard Lord - you don't even have to convert it because it turns out power sword + power fist is a legal Lord loadout (though not necessarily a good one, again, grab some of those bits - I'm sorry, "random assortment of random gear" from the Plague Marines kit and go to town.

-You are aware that GW released an Army of Renown for the Thousand Sons in an effort to justify the TSons Combat Patrol too... right? You do realize that of the 26 models contained in the TSons Combat Patrol, only 6 of them are actually Thousand Sons minis (hint: there are more Death Guard minis in the Death Guard CP than there are Thousand Sons minis in the Thousand Sons CP) Also that the DG and TS CPs both cost the same amount, even though the DG box contains 13 more minis. You can't say TSons have it better here, you just can't, because every TSons player thinks that CP box is dogshit too. TSons also had the same problem DG do now in 8th edition, where there start collecting box contained Ahriman (similar to how DGuards CP box contains Typhus).

-I brought up the Blight Hauler because *YOU* brought up the blight hauler and did the sad sack routine of "why couldn't they give us all the options in Dark Imperium instead of giving us the monopose version":

some plague drones (GW could have been a bit smart and put that sprue in the starter box, but instead they decided to deliver the objectively worse starter box in all their system combinned), they just "forgot" to deliver the actual real complete kit for the blight haulers (yaknow, the one with other faceplates and different weapons)

Come back when you're capable of having an adult conversation. And by the way, before you continue to "jump from mine to mine" - yes, I do play both Death Guard and Thousand Sons, and definitely own more minis for those armies than you do, as its very clear that you are fairly new to this game and haven't bothered to look at what the miniature options available to other factions are like, otherwise you would know that many of your complaints (bad Combat Patrol, monopose characters, troops box that doesn't contain a full unit, etc.) are completely unfounded and Thousand Sons suffer from many of the same problems you ascribe to Death Guard, on top of the fact that TSons just flat out have fewer options.

 (HN) wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
The Plague Marine kit has a pretty great menu of options available to it (shame that GW limits the rules to the contents of a box, but thats not the kits fault/problem).

I wouldn't call having a random assortment or random gear "great options".
Also did you not know that you only get 7 marines in a box of plague marine? Ofc you can buy the "reinforcement" pack of 3 marines for almost the same price than the 7 guys.
Hey, you can also buy for a little more than 60% of the price of that 7 guy squad the missing icon bearer if you want!

Reinforcements was a limited edition article that was brought back after people asked for it. It was by no means meant to increase the PM squad to a full 10 and frankly doesn't work well in that regard anyways. It's a collectors only item.

Basically you need one box of plague marines for every 5 marines you plan on fielding, which is in line with similar boxes, like the GK terminator squad or heavy intercessors.
Troops with 10 models in them do not have as many options as plague marines do.
The only thing you can't get from the box is an icon.

No, Festus isn't the same thing than a proper Lord of Contagion and I'm not even talking about the fact that it's objectively the worst example of "cartoonish garbage" GW tried to turn the DG into with 8th, I'm talking about his loadout. He comes with the garbage loadout that was made specifically for him, the one that his honestly directly inferior to the proper LoC,

He is and always was a proper Lord of Contagion unless you played with a datasheet that never was legal for any kind of serious play. He is using the same manreaper as deathshrouds are, and frankly giving that weird orb in his hand some rules was a nice gimmik for the 9th edition's codex.

and what's more, he comes bundled with his 3 tainted cohort goods that not only don't have a proper rules anymore

They are blightlord terminators.

(I honestly don't know what GW didn't took the opportunity to make Festus a proper new character instead of making him that weird round peg for a square hole standing LoC)

Your wish for him to be a unique character can't be that big if you don't even know his name.

, but are monopose

All DG models but mortarion are mono-pose, especially that ETB LoC with plague reaper.

and 1 of them even has an illegal loadout that you'll have to convert if you want to stay wisiwig (so much for the no mini no option amirit?).But the best part is that, ofc, you HAVE to pay for them even if you just wanted that pseudo LoC.

A LoV is $38, Typhus is $42. You are literally complaining about having to pay $4 for 3 terminator models.

This "bundle" is yet another example of "made for the starterbox without any foresight for the future", it's a box that contains 3 random, MONOPOSE (like all DG characters) minies that have nothing in comon and yet you are forced to buy together.

Most other armies pay $28-$45 for comparable characters, TS specifically pay at least $72 for an HQ and a minor support character. Despite the outrageous price hike, $68 still isn't vastly more than what other armies pay for their monopose characters.

Once again I won't even mention how bad some of them are (the caster in particular is a well known meme at this point, what makes it even more insulting is that there is a way better version of him out there, it's just locked in the oop paint set made for japan as an addon to the Warhammer Heroes thing, but you want to know the real funny bit about that kit?

But hey, wana know where the 3 missing marines from the current plague marine box really are?
Welp, they are locked on the same sprue than the missing Lord of Contagion, once again, that's what cancerous shortsighted "made for starter" box gets you.

Spoiler:

The only reason why the Plague marine are sold by 7 is because of that, and not as some deluded people have said because of the number of nurgle.

Wow, that's some serious mental gymnastics here. This was absolutely not the reason for that. When DG launched, there was a box of 3 ETB plague marines, the box with the LoC inside came with 6 additional plague marines and there are the extra champion and icon bearer for sale. On top of that you could get the overpriced reinforcements
Three marines being on the LoC sprue was absolutely not the reason to cut down the number of marines to 7.

If anything, GW hid away all the new "good" options like flails or axes in the more expensive plague marine box in order to bait people into buying that. Maybe they thought they could get away with having 3 less plague marines than primaris troops in the box and hide behind the magic number. Or they just thought it was funny.
All of that is more likely than what you claim.

Just to reiterate since I'm talking about that sprue, NOTHING could have stopped GW from putting this sprue and the plague marine one in the starter box. That would have been 1 squad, 1 character and 1 vehicle which is well withing the limit of the average Combat Patrol (they would have to slap another 5 man unit in there, or some poxwalkers since the vehicles is smaller than what you usually get in combat patrol), but nah, instead we got the worse Combat Patrol out there, one that was so bad they even tried to make a full "army of renown" just for it, just to sell a couple more, before nerfing it to the ground anyway.
They had a way out for that LoC and a way to deliver an proper 10 man squad at the same time in the starter set, but they couldn't even do that properly! They are THAT stupid, incompetent and careless.

That is true, and there really isn't an excuse for that. It's still a far way from "getting the TS treatment".

The character from the starter box is a named character, which is way way less friendly than having a standard guy.

I don't think there are a lot of combat patrols worth doubling up on.

Hey, since you brought back the starter box, wana know another fun fact about the DG Combat Patrol?
The force it contains is illegal as such. You cannot just play it out of the box because of the Diseased Minions rule that require your army to contain more astartes than followers.

Not true, Typhus, Biologus, 7 Plague Marines and 20 pox walkers form a legal PL25 combat patrol detachment, which is what these boxes promises. Enjoy your free 10 pox walkers.

So yeah, I'll take the TS treatment where I get less units, but at least the ones I got aren't a bad joke, literally broken sprues from starter box (and by starter box I'm talking about Dark Imperium).

If you hate the look of half the models anyways, just go play TS then?
But keep in mind that TS treatment means that all you get will be:
- Named HQ character
- Generic HQ character
- Cult unit
- Cult terminators
- Another HQ character next edition
Everything else will be either generic chaos stuff or units that aren't actually part of your legion.

Personally, I dearly hope for all WE players that they will be more like deathguard and not like TS.

Holy hell, Jidmah really drank the "GW did right by Death Guard" Kool-aid


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Like seriously, I love how they release like 5 characters in the Elite slot and literally none kf them fulfill a real purpose LOL

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Holy hell, Jidmah really drank the "GW did right by Death Guard" Kool-aid


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Like seriously, I love how they release like 5 characters in the Elite slot and literally none kf them fulfill a real purpose LOL

Do....do people think that DG got treated badly? Sure, the combat patrol box is poor when they should have just repackaged the Dark Imperium stuff, but otherwise the range is solid. My only complaint is the weird wargear restriction for plague marines, but that's not a DG specific problem. As for the elite characters, aside from the noxious blightbringer they've all got solid rules. Heck, the foul blightspwan is something of an auto include and the putrifer and tallyman are even more useful these days with the heavy marine lists.

I would agree that the number of characters seems excessive relative to the number of actual units in the army, but Genestealer Cults exist to remind me it could be way worse.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I would agree that the number of characters seems excessive relative to the number of actual units in the army, but Genestealer Cults exist to remind me it could be way worse.

Meanwhile, Dark Eldar...

With how popular DG are I am surprised if the limited releases are true. TS are well liked too but the first criticism people point at them is how limited they are compared to DG.

Maybe the index stuff is true and WE get a second batch of models shortly into 10th.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Holy hell, Jidmah really drank the "GW did right by Death Guard" Kool-aid


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Like seriously, I love how they release like 5 characters in the Elite slot and literally none kf them fulfill a real purpose LOL

But they each do fulfill different purposes. The Plague Surgeon and Tallyman are very important this edition, as is the Foul Blightspawn. The only one that is a bit of a letdown is the Noxious Blightbringer, and even its usefulness goes up considerably in a Terminus Est army.

Nu DG was designed by a huge DG fans who made huge DG armies showcase on GW White Dwarf, that'd explained a huge amount of sculpt.

Chopstick wrote:
Nu DG was designed by a huge DG fans who made huge DG armies showcase on GW White Dwarf, that'd explained a huge amount of sculpt.

I guess there's not many TSons or WE fans over at GW then, eh?

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Holy hell, Jidmah really drank the "GW did right by Death Guard" Kool-aid


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Like seriously, I love how they release like 5 characters in the Elite slot and literally none kf them fulfill a real purpose LOL

But they each do fulfill different purposes. The Plague Surgeon and Tallyman are very important this edition, as is the Foul Blightspawn. The only one that is a bit of a letdown is the Noxious Blightbringer, and even its usefulness goes up considerably in a Terminus Est army.

You're not serious, are you? You mean worse Apothecary and expensive buffbot that hits like a wet noodle himself?
Death Guard lost WAY more than they gained getting their own codex.

 Jidmah wrote:

Basically you need one box of plague marines for every 5 marines you plan on fielding, which is in line with similar boxes, like the GK terminator squad or heavy intercessors.
Troops with 10 models in them do not have as many options as plague marines do.
The only thing you can't get from the box is an icon.

Riiiiight, Plague Marines are now supposed to be concidered as terminator when it comes to boxes...
What's that? Rubric not only have a way better fully posable kit, but it also comes with 10 guys, 5 flamers, bit to make sorcerer, an icon and an heavy weapon?!
What? The GK you just mentioned have have troops that comes in pack of 10 with a bazzilion wargear options?
Damn. its as if you comparison was painfully stupid.
Ho hey, since we are there talking about terminators, wana talk about how deathshrouds are sold as pack of 3? Let me guess, I should compared them to leman russes or something?

 Jidmah wrote:
No, Festus isn't the same thing than a proper Lord of Contagion and I'm not even talking about the fact that it's objectively the worst example of "cartoonish garbage" GW tried to turn the DG into with 8th, I'm talking about his loadout. He comes with the garbage loadout that was made specifically for him, the one that his honestly directly inferior to the proper LoC,

He is and always was a proper Lord of Contagion unless you played with a datasheet that never was legal for any kind of serious play. He is using the same manreaper as deathshrouds are, and frankly giving that weird orb in his hand some rules was a nice gimmik for the 9th edition's codex.